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STAR WARS EPISODE TWO behind the scenes rumors
Hey folks, Harry here with a first time Star Wars spy. You say you want STAR WARS rumors and tidbits... alright, welll.... I'll begin giving them to ya. This is unconfirmed, though there are aspects that I do know as being accurate... like Lucas' not quite being satisfied with what he got on camera in Australia. Also, the massive amount of additional blue screen compared to the last film is very accurate. There might be some very minor spoilerish material below... but nothing catastrophic quite yet. Enjoy...
First time reporter, long time reader. Originally ol Smokey and I were going to try and smuggle this bit of news to an alternative destination, but that rascally Sheriff Buford T Justice of Portague County just got right down obnoxious, so rather than waste it, enjoy this piece for your site:
The recent reports of Jedi's fighting 'imaginary' opponents are true. A few versions of the scenes were filmed, including the Jedis fighting solo, then extras used as their opponents to map out the movements for the benefit of ILM. The Jedis were mostly dressed in black and dark colors like Luke's outfit in ROTJ, and the 'opponents' were dressed all in green jumpsuits, probably to make it easier to scan the movements into a computer.
I spoke to one of the ILM guys and he lightheartedly said that they will be hard pushed to finish the movie on time because many ILMers were in England working on The Mummy Returns. His comments may have been tongue in cheek, but probably pretty accurate. There is more of this movie filmed with bluescreens than there was in Episode 1, hence the speed at which work at Fox Studios was completed, with Lucas opting for ILM to fill in the blanks.
There were indeed a few grumbles and bad vibes during the shoot in Oz, Lucas was very pissed at a few things it seems, namely the shoddy security and the open flaunting of the public attractions in the studio backlot, which meant the crew were restricted slightly and pestered throughout by Joe Public.
Rumors are that Lucas may abandon the Australia production for Episode 3 and return to Leavesden Studios as apparently there are STILL props and set pieces from Episode 1 in storage there. He may either opt to wait for Warners to finish Harry Potter there (unlikely), or he may just move everything back to Elstree Studios.
I listened in on a conversation in the Oz production office (i was collecting my Ep2 cap!), they were discussing why they are hurrying the filming in Spain, Tunisia and Italy so they can get back to Elstree to 'clean the mess up', also they were discussing why he was going to Elstree anyway just to do a few bog standard 'bluescreen shots' when he could just come back to Oz where he still has the place hired and available. He's probably gone to size up the place for Episode 3...
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George has a very clear vision about the story of Star Wars that he won't allow to be swayed by the whims of the Internet, the media, critics or anyone. The Internet rumors this time around are possibly even more funny and off base than they were for the first film.
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I am so sick of George Lucas and his nonsense. I'm sure that everyone knows that he's re-releasing the trilogy on video AGAIN!!! This time with Episode Two stuff. WHOO WHOO. I swoon in ecstasy!! Is Lucas so poor that he has to release the trilogy AGAIN??? How many times is he going to try to take our money to buy the same junk? He doesn't make new movies, he just makes us pay to see the old ones again and again. And still we have to wait until 2002 for Episode 2. Why? Because it takes all that time for ILM to make JAR JAR!!!! Why don't they just take out Jar-Jar to save some time and release this movie sometime IN MY YOUTH.
I'm so sick of this over-rated primadonna we call George Lucas. I know that all of you SW geeks are going to get all over me because of my exagerations about your hero, but who cares. I have a life (He said as he was typing in a Star Wars talkback) -
I don't really care if the movie rumors are true or not. There are still 2 more years till it comes out. So right now i'm not going to believe anything that doesn't come out of George Lucas's mouth. It's too early for these drastic rumors. Post what you will, but I'll see it when the movie comes out.
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I vote that boycott all of Lucas' old crap that he keeps giving us, and save our money for the Episode 2. Let's send the message to the beast-machine that is Lucasfilm, and let them know that we only want new stuff!!!
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First of all I'm sure that if Lucas makes a great movie with Episode II, every last one of his critics here will automatically forget about what they say about him. Sure it's unnessecary to release the trilogy again but if you were lucas you'd milk it for all it's worth too, so everyone shouldn't act so friggin high and mighty. Another thing is that if episode II is having production problems than GOOD. The really great movies aren't made in five minutes with no problems. Casablanca? Gone With the Wind? APOCALYPSE NOW? The great movies suffer through productions.
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What we have here is a bunch of iconoclasts with too much time on their hands and frustrated about their own lives. Why would someone come here and write abusive stuff about movies. I just got back from the Almost Famous talkback and people were undeservedly ripping Cameron Crowe. I come here and somebody says that they aren't going to see Episode 2. Well boo-freakin-hoo. My children throw better tantrums than that. These bastards don't have the courage to do something as creative as to tell a good story. They'll do something as spineless as post an anonymous message tearing down somebodys work./P>
"Nowadays everybody wants to talk...but nothing comes out when they move their lips...just a bunch of gibberish.
When this site first came into being, I was excited. Finally, a place where people can share some insight and discussion about movies. But soon I was dissappointed when I visited the talkbacks.
I think Harry should scrap the talkback section. It does no good. Maybe the only good it does is give angry people a place to vent their anger.
Well I have to go. I don't like Madonna and I'm gonna go to a Madonna message board and post some hate speech.
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Don't you people have anything better to bitch about than Jar Jar from SW1? And to the guy who said, "You knwo why it took ILM 2 years to finsih the film? Because of jar Jar!" You don't know shit than because how do you explain EVERY Star Wars film taking two years to make, even before Digital effects?
Harry, man, you have no balls if you start posting this shit again because your fanboys demand it! You know why they want this shit, so they have an excuse to bitch about something.
To the guy up there who said that we are SW geeks who worship Lucas... fuck that. I love SW because I love film. I know of Lucas' fuckups in my eyes, I don't agree with him rereleasing the trilogy again, I know he made mistakes in SW1, but who am I to btich and moan? He gave us SW. He's flawed, as is EVERY filmmaker out there! You seem to think that because you don't like SW1, that film sucks... it's YOUR opinion and it's obvious looking at the Box Office that naysayers are not the majority... not even close.
You don't like the fact that he's re-releasing the trilogy, here's a tip, STOP BITCHING AND DON'T BUY IT! I don't know why I let you people get to me, but it sucks seeing this new breed of Internet junkies that have no true love for the magic of cinema. If you did, you wouldn't spoil everything, AND you would realise that saying Lucas is a "no talent hack" is ridiculous. Two years ago most of you (and don't even bother saying you didn't) were backing up Lucas, even praising him at times! But because of ONE film you didn't like you write the director off! Ridiculous. No matter what you say.
Spielberg made HOOK, but most will still back him up. Lucas has only made for films and has ben nominated by his peers for two of those films.
DAVID FINCHER made ALIEN 3, yet most of you now are sucking his nuts for FIGHT CLUB!
Sure, Lucas has been connected to some bombs, but has NEVER directed a truly terrible film besides SW1 in some of your eyes. THX1138 was praised. STAR WARS was praised... breaing cinematic ground! AMERICAN GRAFFITI was praised! Not to bad huh? Pu taside your hate for SW1, and just look at his career... if you don't see that he IS a true talent then you are kidding yourself. No matter what you say also, he WAS the reason EMPIRE and JEDI were great. He wasn't just some producer who visited the set every once in awhile. He approved EVERYTHING, he came up withthe stories, the characters, the ships, the planets, the action, EVERYTHING!
IN regards to SW1, the only ture thing MOST of you can bring up about it is Jar Jar.... the same way the only thing you can bring up about JEDI are the Ewoks... you're very closeminded.
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Why is it that everytime there is a discussion about Star Wars someone always has to bring up Jar Jar. I can't believe that, one full year later, people still feel the need to harp on this issue. Episode II is midway through production, there are tantalizing tidbits of information(rumors and facts)released each week, George Lucas himself is sharing episode II images with the general public, and a renewed excitement and anticipation about the Star Wars Trilogy(old as well as new)is being fostered by legions of fans around the world...and all you can do is talk about Jar Jar. Are you so hopelessly and irretrievably hung up with this insignificant character that it has entirely ensnared your vision. Can't you at least TRY to see beyond Episode I's, perceived,flaws and direct your vision toward the future. The Phantom Menace has come and gone For God's sake, Quit beating a dead Gungan. The bus has left the terminal, my friend and we are ALL on board. Next stop Episode II.
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Sep 09, 2000 5:31:18 PM CDT
Moto, I agree with absolutely everything... with one excpetion.
by reverend dave
You are right about the uptight fanatics unfairly damning Lucas, you are right about the general moronics from the Talkback peanut gallery... but you are WRONG to chew out Harry for posting some SW news. We asked (some ill-mannered louts DEMANDED) him to return to Ep 2 news, so if you want to blame anyone, blame us. If you don't want to know the SW news and rumours, just don't read them. Other than that, you are dead right. Vote Nader. Peace.
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the first episode was pure perfection, with the exception of that horrible lightsaber battle at the film's end. lucas' best work since Howard the Duck, i think. i will be accepting hatemail via smurfthumper@hotmail.com (and yes, i realize that i am massaging microsoft's corporate balls by ascribing to their site. i also worship N*Sync and Pokemon). i am high on kite.
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Thanks.....
and, oh, I don't read them. Trust me. The only things I read are over at starwars.com because I know they won't fuck the film up for me and tell me every littel shitty rumor, detail, and offer every pic of every scene.
AND about the Harry thing... perhaps you're right:) But H etried to take a stand and then backed down so easily. But I see your point... peace -
Sep 09, 2000 5:40:27 PM CDT
Every time someone brings up how George Lucas is a fat neckless
by skywalker,anakin
...I feel even better about not being one of those naysayers. You don't like Lucas, fine. Just don't embarrass the other naysayers with those lame comments. I am sure you could do better. I've seen naysayers offer some semi-intelligent arguments before. But not the majority. Hell, I just like Star Wars, and I like films. I see Lucas as the innovative filmmaker that he is, a confident artist that won't be swayed by naysayers like some of you. He doesn't give a fuck, and I admire him for it.
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star wars talkbacks SUCK
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... and his ability to board his infamous time travel machine. I truly look forward to sometime around 2005 - 06 when we will be able to watch the WHOLE Star Wars saga (including the epilogue episode which will be exclusively webcast directly from ILM). To have the ability to look at all those brain-dead numbnuts who will probably still be bitching about Jar Jar and tell them the same thing I'm telling them now: YOU JUST DON'T GET IT, DO YOU?
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THIS IS MY FIRST TIME TO AICN,BUT I REGISTERED AND HAVE TO PASS COMMENT ON OTHER PEOPLES COMMENTS ABOUT GEORGE LUCAS.HOW MANY OF YOU OUT THERE WOULD HAVE MILLIONS
IN CASH AND STILL GET STRESSED OUT WHEN YOU COULD SIT ON YOUR ARSE AND SPEND IT ALL.IF YOU DON'T LIKE HIS FILMS,FAIR ENOUGH.CRITICIZE HIM,BUT WHY CALL HIM FAT-NECKED.IF MY INSIDER INFO IS CORRECT( I KNOW HE IS DIABETIC) HE HAS OTHER PROBLEMS AND IS PROBABLY ON MEDICATION.IF ITS TRUE,WOULD YOU BE BOTHERED TO WORK LIKE A MADMAN TO TRY AND PLEASE THE WORLD.I LOVED STAR WARS WHEN I WAS A KID,BUT STILL DIDN'T THINK MUCH OF EPISODE ONE.ALL I KNOW IS I TOOK MY 4 YEAR OLD TWIN NEPHEWS TO SEE IT AND THEY LOVED IT.WHY RELEASE THE STAR WARS TRILOGY AGAIN? I'LL TELL YOU WHY,BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT IT.I ATTENDED A SCI-FI CONVENTION TODAY AND PEOPLE MENTIONED THE NOVEMBER 20TH ENGLISH RELEASE.WOULD YOU BUY INDEPENDANCE DAY IF IT WAS RE-RELEASED EVERY FEW YEARS - PROBABLY NOT.I'VE BOUGHT OTHER FILMS AND WATCHED THEM ONCE,AND LEFT THEM ON THE SHELF GATHERING DUST.STAR WARS CAN BE WATCHED AGAIN AND AGAIN AND STILL BE ENJOYED.I'VE NEVER BEEN FOR A NIGHT OUT OR INVITED PEOPLE BACK TO MINE AND SAID,"HEY,LETS WATCH THAT BIT IN THE DARK RAIN IN GODZILLA WHEN YOU SEE ITS FEET!",UNLESS I WANTED THEM TO LEAVE QUICKLY AND END THE NIGHT.I HAD TO WATCH MEN-IN-BLACK TWICE IN A ROW AS I COULDN'T WORK OUT A STORY FOR IT.HOW MANY FILMS ARE IN PRODUCTION NOW THAT ARE BEING SO SPIED ON - ONLY STAR WARS SEEMS TO HAVE THE INTEREST FACTOR.I'LL BUY THE STAR WARS TRILOGY AGAIN ON NOVEMBER 20TH.WHY? BECAUSE MY NEPHEWS WILL LOOK AT THE PACKAGING,RECOGNISE THE CHARACTERS AND JUMP UP AND DOWN IN EXCITEMENT ASKING ME TO PUT IT ON,NOT BECAUSE I AM A MUG FOR BUYING IT TO GIVE GEORGE MORE MONEY.I REST MY CASE.... -
Star Wars talkbacks are one of the few sources of entertainment in my sad pathtic life. So far my personal one was the photo of the "ship" from like the 8th floor of a building. How people went ON and ON and ON about it.
My favorite thing is when people bash Lucas.
If your whole life is based around something. Nothing added to that something is going meet your expectations.
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If 20th Century Fox handles the release and distribution of the Star Wars films, how come every question regarding the DVD release is directed toward Lucas? Why don't THEY just release the DVDs and make more million$? Who's really the ignorant fuck here?
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Sep 09, 2000 7:11:19 PM CDT
George Lucas Called Me Collect From Australia. After I Told The
by buzz maverik
...he told me that the real reason he was leaving Australia is that everyone kept calling him "Yank!" as in "What were you thinking with Jar Jar, yank?" and "Not as good as the original trilogy, yank."
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Well, good luck to them if this rumour is indeed true. There is very little left of Elstree Studios nowadays. Certainly not enough left for a major production like Star Wars. I know, I live there. The vast majority of the studios have been long knocked down and built over. Here's a pleasant visual picture for you all - over the turf where Star Wars, Indiana Jones and many other classics were filmed now resides a supermarket and it's car park. Tesco's for those in the UK reading this and wondering. I'd be very amused to see Kenobi sabering his way around the frozen veg section. Actually, now I come to think about it, that would probably be more entertaining than Episode One.... *snerk*.
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I figured I'd head into the fray on this issue, because after "Ep I" I did a bit of thinking about Georgie-boy and how far he's come.
I don't think anyone (or at least anyone intelligent) would argue that the man who made the original "Star Wars" triolgy and "American Graffiti" was a true innovator - one of the bumper crop of 1970's film school graduates who changed the way we look at movies.
Unfortunately, like many of these innovators, the years have not been creatively kind to Lucas. Brian De Palma started off by making smart and stylish thrillers, and now he's reduced himself to this year's abhorrent "Mission to Mars." Roman Polanski, who's "Chinatown" is an almost perfect film noir, most recently made the murky and rather pointless "The Ninth Gate." And, as for George, he went from the wunderkind with the overactive imagination to the executive with a penchant for profits and merchandising tie-ins. "Episode One" featured little to none of the creative spark or zest of the original trilogy, and, no, the problem wasn't just Jar Jar Binks. I don't mind if he wants to keep humping his success from 20 years ago, but I for one refuse to feed into the "Star Wars" machine until there's something new to look at, and even then I'll be going in with a healthy dose of skepticism.
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He's re-releasing the movies because some folks haven't bought the originals...I...haven't. Please don't e-mail me because of that, or tell me I suck. Lucas doesn't make good movies anymore and I wonder if SW was a fluke. He wanted something completely different b4. I'll see this movie, sure, but why obsess and think it could be great? And yeah, I do think fans have better ideas for the films, but what can ya do? answer:shoot lucas (kidding!) He'll re-re-re-release on DVD too, but there will be a lot of commentary feat. Georgie and his neck that rivals Jabba. Maybe George does care about the fans and wants them to forget about SW and move on ?
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Christ on a bike, even though Rick the Dick had said how deliriously happy they were with filming here (more work done in less time, etc. etc.), someone's gotta dredge up this tired old racist shit about the Aussies. Fuck this ignorant arsehole and his episode 2 cap. Hey, let's all gather 'round the water-cooler and re-spread the shit!!_____________________ I've been on the lot looking at sets a few times too, but you don't see me dredging up this tired old shit ad nauseum. By the way ('cause no-one seems to have gotten the message yet), the spoiler pics don't have a whole lot to do with security on the site. Anyone who actually knows the area knows that these pics were taken from a highrise Paddington apartment with the mother of all telephoto lenses. How do you stop that? It's not exactly tresspassing, is it? Stupid fucks - I didn't hear anyone complaining on Episode 1 when that guy got all the way into Leavesden and shot all those pics of the Naboo set. Of course no-one on the net actually has a medium to long-term memory, so you'll just keep on with the Aussie-bashing I guess.
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if you think that buying a new release of the trilogy is a ripp-off why buy them again? Just who'se in control of the old cerebelum here?
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Sep 10, 2000 12:59:17 AM CDT
if anybody actually shells out the cash for the new VHS so they
by kojiro
...then they are truly in need of help because there won't be a damned thing on there that hasn't been on the net. On the subject of the re-re-re-release of the original trilogy: the way I always heard it was that Lucas bought all the rights to anything related to SW quite some time back. Fox does the distribution of the product and recieves a percentage of profits but it is Lucas who decides what to release and when. Could be I heard wrong but that's what I heard.
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The reason the extras were dressed in green suits was probably to make them easier to erase in post-production. Moving right along.... Does anyone have thoughts on the name of the new Sith Lord being Darth Tyranus? If you follow THEFORCE.NET you know that LucasFilm just registered the shit out of that--and no other--"Darth" domains. A red herring? Perhaps. I think the names Darth Maul and Darth Vader are pretty tough to top. Darth Tyranus almost seems forced, too default. Any thoughts to brilliantwriter@yahoo.com I retain high hopes for this installment (though even higher for Episode III).
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A NEW HOPE did'nt have THAT much character developement,I mean really.
More than EP1? Maybe.The thing was back then it was new ,fresh,didn't have a zillion tie ins,comic books,websites,novels,magazines,fan fiction,comic strips,FANBOYS,video games,t-shirts,posters,video sets,cups,plates,toothbrushes,hand towells,stationary,mousepads,toys,cookbooks,FANBOYS,calenders,breakfast cereal,dolls,blow ups,variants,etc...
It wasn't the INSTITUTION(thats right I said it),the quasi-religion(sombody HAD to say it)it is today.Did I mention FANBOYS?And yes I am a FANBOY.
To the core.
However I agree w/ the talkbacker who stated that THE KIDS still LOVE IT!
Every kid I know does anyway,they don't care about Ewoks or Jar Jar...
They just LOVE the movies.As do I.
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If you want to see Angelina Jolie's lip's and HooHaa's go to www.LukeSkyywalker.com allow the page to fully 'load out of it's frame'
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Get a LIFE, morons!!!!!!!!!!!
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Get a LIFE, morons!!!!!!!!!!!
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Get a LIFE, morons.....
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Aaaah, there's nothing like waking up on a Sunday morning, to the smell of coffee and a fresh Star Wars talkback !
I won't bother dissecting this in the is it true or not manner, I'll just take it at face value. So......Lucas is dissatisfied with what he filmed in Australia ? Anybody else come to the conclusion that history will repeat itself, and that in a decade or so, we'll all be buying tapes/discs whatever of a special edition.....filmed and presented the way George wanted it all along, but didn't have the time/money/technology... yadda, yadda, yadda. He's just setting the groundworks early. The corporate whores at Fox Video must be rubbing their pudgy little hands with glee.
The original trilogy being re-rereleased yet AGAIN ???? What a big surprise. Sorry George and the Fox whores, but as far as those movies are concerned, the well that is my bank account has run dry. You want more of my money ? Fine ! Give me something NEW for it, otherwise, don't bother me. The only new edition of your movies that I've been looking forward to are those that L'auteur promised us a loooong time ago. Hi, buddy, good to see you posting again.
To some of the other posters up there, Moto....man you make some good and valid points but cool down, be calm, unclench. To the person who wants Ep 2 released in his youth....HAH...fat chance, buddy. Star Wars was released when I was 17, now I'm 40 and I'm STILL waiting to see the whole story arc. Jokes about Lucas's neck aren't funny. Yeah, he's diabetic and there may be a real sound medical reason behind the appearance of his neck. I know that seeing him on tv for the first time in many years being kissed up to by Leaonard Maltin at the beginning of the last release of the original trilogy before being superceeded by the special editions came as a shock. However, the reports of him stomping cameras on set were fucking hysterical. -
Finally you pull your head out of your ass and post some rumors. Keep up the good work.
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Boy, after looking at that site and looking through imdb.com....she sure has been in a lot of movies requiring to have her topless. (Since around 1982). Nice to know she made it to the top with her great acting ability ;)
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would be better than 'Darth Tyranus Rex' or whatever catch-phrasey new CGI villian we're going to get. The black robes let us know he's evil, but just to make sure, he better have fangs, a tail, and teeny-weenie little forearms that end in claws. Oh, and I'm almost certain that the people who don't know who 'Max Headroom' was are probably the same ones with Jar Jar inflatable chairs in their rooms.
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I wish Ridley Scott or James Cameron would direct the next one, they would do a good job, and make it rated PG-13!
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when i saw star wars as a kid, i was utterly in awe the entire time. i didn't realize that mark hamill cannot act. i didn't realize how trite some of the dialogue was. seeing tpm i didn't have the luxury of being so ignorant...i wish i had. point is, lucas' audience is the same people, us, and we can see bad acting, muddled stories, and banal lines. now it may sound like i am saying that to an educated eyes and ears that lucas' work sucks. however, even now i am impressed with a lot in all 4 sw movies. obi-wan vs darth maul...has anyone seen a fight sequence move that fast before? (I heard they cut out frames.) point is you godda take the bad with the good in these movies. they go hand in hand...
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Sep 10, 2000 11:53:46 AM CDT
Why is RICK McCALLUM spending so much time monitoring these SW r
by regis travolta
He's posted twice in the past two weeks (if it's really him posting as Rick McCallum)so it seems that he is worried/concerned about the negative buzz at this very early stage of the game. Rick, do yourself and your master a favor and spend more time focusing on the actual production itself and less time on these silly rumor boards. (Unless of course the production really is troubled, in which case we will learn all about it in due time and destroy it if it's as shitty as Episode 1 was. PS: Please send Jar Jar to Texas so he can be executed by George W. Bush. Thank you for clicking on this post. Sincerely, a guy who LOVED Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back but hated with a passion ROTJ and Ep. 1 because they both sucked shit.)
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Sep 10, 2000 12:43:57 PM CDT
Jim Cameron???Riddley Scott???Are you out of your mind???
by skywalker,anakin
I don't think Jim Cameron would work in a SW movie, he has a lot of talent, but I don't see him in SW, that's all. And Ridley Scott? What the fuck? Gladiator was better when I first saw it (You know, when it was called SPARTACUS and was directed by STANLEY KUBRICK?) and BLADE RUNNER simply sucks. It is dated, which is something that SW doesn't need. To all the Harrison Ford bashers that talk about how he sometimes mails performances in, you want a good example to prove your point? RENT BLADE RUNNER!...I am not anti-Harrison Ford, but even he dissed Blade Runner. George Lucas is the man for STAR WARS, he has always been, because he knows his story and he knows what he wants to do with it. I don't understand how you don't give credit to Lucas for making a brave movie as EPISODE I. I am sure some of you would be clapping for E1 now, if Jar-Jar had leather pants and some "bullet time" action in it, right? If you didn't like EPISODE I, then fine, but if you're still complainning about how lame E1 was, a year and a half from it's release, then I suggest you stop accessing these talkbacks so you don't have to bear with us, the ones who liked it. Your life will be less frustrating that way. You are not going to change anybody's mind about TPM at this stage, so you might as well beat it.
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Excellent insight into while people spew such vile hatred. As adults alot of us try and recapture that magic point of our lives before cynicism set in. I was only 6 when Star Wars came out, but I never forget the ending of Empire when there on there way to get Han and then the credits came up. I remember screaming outloud. NOOOOO. I just didn't want it to end. That's just not going to happen to us as adults we're older, wiser, and yet dumber on somethings. No matter how amazing EP1, 2, or 3 are they will never live up to the MEMORIES of 4, 5, 6.
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I dislike BLADE RUNNER for several reasons, some of them are : Wooden acting. I know STAR WARS acting isn't the finest, but Blade Runner wins the prize here. I also have a problem with the movie being so dated. It's suppossed to be the future, but it's really early 80's disguised as the future, and it shows. Star Wars tried hard not to be dated (they screwed up some of the hairstyles, sure) but Blade Runner wins this prize again. The movie is like a horrible mixture of bad acting (not necessarily bad overall actors, they just sucked at this movie), my main example is Sean Young. As Rachel, she showed she can be wooden enough to play an android, but not an android who wants to be a human. The same goes for Edward James Olmos and Daryl Hannah. Harrison Ford slept trhough his performance. The dialogue was laughable, to say the least. I loved the premise, specially the part about the androids being exterminated because they wanted to be humans...it could have been great, but it just didn't do it for me. And now that Ridley Scott screwed up revealing that Deckard IS a replicant, then all the heated argument about it that made the movie seem a little more worthwhile disappeared. As you can see, I am not a very big fan of Ridley Scott. But that's only my opinion. P.S.
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Don't you remember that rumor that Episode I had 40% fuzzy footage that had to be reshot? Was it true? No! This news is just more fabricated manipulative tripe along the same lines of "George Lucas is such an @$$hole for ditching England! He hates us Britains, that's the real reason!" And now we're getting "He hates Aussies." Will these racist accusations never stop?
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Sep 10, 2000 4:47:23 PM CDT
Lucas Shouldn't Be Directing This Movie. Here's my list of alte
by jake the snake
It's obvious he's not a director. Just watch that little shit in Episode 1 try to act. It's pathetic. Lucas knows how to turn out cheesy looking CGI effects and characters and make up and then change Star Wars mythology, but he can't direct actors. Here are five directors who I want working on Episode 3. 1) Steven Speilberg 2) James Cameron 3)Robert Zemekis 4) Wachowski Bros. 5)Roland Emmerich. Trust me, Episode 2 is a lost cause and so will 3 if Lucas directs the fucker.
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YOU said that Lucas shouldn't direct EPISODE 2 & 3, and then proceed to bring your choices, which I know quote :
"1) Steven Speilberg 2) James Cameron 3)Robert Zemekis 4) Wachowski Bros. 5)Roland Emmerich. Trust me, Episode 2 is a lost cause and so will 3 if Lucas directs the fucker."
Allow me to tell you why I think that your choices...well, suck. 1)Steven Spielberg doesn't have the vision to handle a vast universe such as Star Wars. Besides, when he was offered Empire Strikes Back, he turned it down because it was too high-profile. 2)James Cameron, as I said in an earlier post, is talented, but not good for Star Wars. He is too straight-thinking. Even his sci-fi can tip you off with that one. 3)Robert Zemeckis, come on, I shouldn't even have to say this...he is a Spielberg child. He can handle fantasy, but not the drama that EPISODES 2 & 3 promise to give. 4) Wachowski Brothers...what the fuck. I can only say I will have to pass, they shouldn't be allowed to do anything after that ugly underacted Dark City rip-off called The Matrix. 5) Roland Emmerich...do we really want the guy behind such pieces of crap like Independence Day, Stargate, Godzilla, and The Patriot behind a Star Wars movie??? quite frankly, he doesn't have the talent or the guts, and thankfully he doesn't have the chance. I have said it once and I'll say it again. GEORGE LUCAS created STAR WARS, no one should tell him how to do STAR WARS because no one can do STAR WARS better than him. -
That George Lucas directed the ORIGINAL Star Wars? If you didn't like that, then what is your liking of Star Wars based on? No one would have seen Empire if they hadn't seen ANH first. If Lucas can direct the film that brought so many people into the Star Wars galaxy and create the history that those characters in the originals lived in beforehand, he can direct that story as well. You wouldn't like Star Wars to begin with if it weren't for Lucas; I'm sick of people saying he's the worst thing that ever happened to this franchise, there would be no Star Wars without him.
As for your list of directors, I think only one person aside from Lucas can do it right: Francis Ford Coppola. He has experience with big movies (The Godfather series--minus the apocryphal Part III) and certainly knows how to tell a tragic story. And Lucas has borrowed enough things from him already: Endor (Apocalypse Now), Jabba's death (Luca Brasi), Han Solo (based on Coppola himself) and hell, even Hayden Christensen was in The Virgin Suicides, which was directed by Sofia Coppola, who, along with her brother Roman, was an Episode I extra. -
It does say in the ESB novel that a great war was fought between the Jedi and the Mandalorians. Not to mention the confirmed appearance of Fett and his dad, one of whom we know sports Mandalorian armor. The TF robot army was useless in the first film -- Palpy needs an upgrade...Of course, I have been known to be wrong...from time to time...oh dear oh dear...
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Sep 10, 2000 5:50:31 PM CDT
Cos Dashit is forgetting one very important thing about Lucas th
by regis travolta
When he directed the first pic in '77 he was lean and hungry and hot and talented coming off of American Graffiti. But spectacular financial success has spoiled him fat and rotten to the point where he now resembles Jabba more than the talented young hungry filmmaker who dared to dream big visions. Poor George, he can't help it, he's become a victim of his success, more concerned with merchandising money than making great movies again, it's why he opted to let Kershner and Marquand direct eps. 5 and 6, he just didn't want to work that hard. Alas poor Lucas, we hardly knew ye...
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You obviously haven't done your homework if that's why you think Lucas didn't direct ESB and ROTJ. He was worn out from directing after finishing American Graffiti, and didn't want to direct again after Star Wars. It's as simple as that; your moralization of it is making a mountain out of a molehill.
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Sep 10, 2000 6:09:54 PM CDT
Why can't we all have our own opinions and just deal with it?
by superninja
I think Jar Jar is a poor character as an addition to the SW story. I think I have very valid reasons for this. What makes you think you can tell me to get off it, when I think that a character has been introduced that is detrimental to the series? That's the problem around here -- everyone thinks only THEIR opinion matters without considering the opinions of others. If you like TPM, fine -- I respect that. But not when you tell me to fuck off because I didn't. And to all those who tell people to get a life in regards to Star Wars -- might I just ask then WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING HERE? I can see reading these TalkBacks just to laugh your ass off, but if not, it's the pot calling the kettle black. Star Wars: A New Hope, was a incredibly innovative film with a classic storyline and new effects. Lucas then gave it to Kershner, who turned SW into something truly EPIC. Kershner made it more than just a sequel, he made it one of the greatest franchises of all time. ROTJ brought it down a notch with all the poppets, but finished that story very strongly. Think about Star Wars as a stand alone just for a moment. Just as a film by itself, as if the others had never been made. Would it have been as powerful? I'm sure it would've been a marker as far as special effects go. But I don't think it would be the phenomena it is today without the contributions of those other two directors. Again, Lucas had not made a film in some time when he picked it back up with EP1. I think he's out of touch with his audience. But that's just my opinion.
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you think the re-re -releases of the triligy pissed you off...hw about all the cut stuff from EP1...if ou happened to buy the comicbook adaptaion of the movie released 2 weeks befor the ove...youwill notice a scene with the bongo when obi .jar jar..and qui-gon..almost fall ove the naboo falls...and are saved by a life line...at the end of the movie amadala says the one team will enter the castle at the FALL side...so there was a sence involng falls...cut on perpose or just a reason to release prequal special editions????...jar jar sucks...my two cents
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I agree with most of what you are saying, superninja, except one thing: Lucas being "out of touch with his audience." I think that's taking the wrong approach, personally. If Lucas were interested in showing people what THEY wanted to see, he would subject himself to focus groups, and Star Wars would be the biggest victim ever of filmmaking by committee. Lucas puts what he wants to see in a movie. Always has. Just because someone wants to see a certain scene in a movie, or have the movie folow their own preconceived storyline, doesn't mean it's going to happen. And nor should it.
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Lucas should have backed out of the director's chair. Leave it at "Story By.." and settle for that. Why? Think about the best SW episode: The Empire Strikes Back. Directed by George Lucas? No. Directed by Irv Kirshner. Written by George Lucas? No. Written by Leigh Brackett from a *story* by George Lucas. Kirshner and Brackett are dead, but there's bunches of talented folks that could take the wheel on these jobs. What about Larry Kasdan? What about David Fincher? Oh, and that suggestion for Spielberg to direct - - are you NUTS? For examples of Spielberg in Charge, watch "1941" or "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom." Criminy what crap.
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First of all, I agree with those who say, "If it wasn't for the first movie, "Star Wars, A New Hope', you wouldn't be here now" bashing whatever. George Lucas came up with an epic story while working on the original 1977 script complete with history for the Empire and the Old Republic, the Clone Wars and just who was who. He never thought he'd ever get a chance to make another movie based on his idea. So "Star Wars" stands on it's own. No cliff hanger endings, no we have to wait three years for the next one, nothing. Just cheering as you came out of the theater, happy it wasn't another disaster film like the "Airport" series, "Posidieon Adventure" or "Towering Inferno". Now I am not bashing disaster movies, but let's face it they were the top box office draws of their day. Look at "Jaws", #1 movie until "Star Wars" dethroned it. Disaster movie. Here came a movie with mythic perportions, a young brash hero looking for adventure, a damsel in distress, the old mentor/wizard who helps young hero achieve dream, the heart of gold, wise craking guy who aids hero on quest, bad guys galore and evil empire waiting for its downfall by young brash hero. And no one, except people like my parents (I'm 38 and I first saw SW when I was 15), remembered movies like that. When I saw SW Special Edition in the theater, not on my 18" tv screen, I held my breath, was Luke going to make it down the trench, would the Death Star Blow up? Sure, I knew how the movie ended, I knew the lines by heart, but that still didn't stop the magic of the story or didn't remind me of the first time I saw 23 years ago. So, you want the magic of the original? I doubt that will ever happen again. Sure SW is a francise like any other, Lord of the Rings, Narnia, Star Trek, etc. Mr. Lucas has HIS ideas of how the movies should be put together and I'm glad he gets the chance to tell the REST of his story. It's not over till it's over. Forget the comics, books, kid's books, board games, role playing games what ever, the movies tell the story. I do not know Mr. Lucas personally, although I'd love to meet him and tell him thank you for one of the things that helped me get through my adolesance. And next to everyone who wants to bash the videos coming out....
First of all, on the first movie, Mr. Lucas didn't have distrabution rights. He learned very quickly from that lesson so that when he signed contracts for the rest of his movies, the studio only releases the movie, they have no say in the budget, content, whatever. He retains all that. I don't know if a statute has run out on a "New Hope", but the others are under LucasFilms control. Also be grateful that 20th Century Fox picked up the script in the first place. Mr. Lucas had been to most of the major studios in Hollywood trying to sell his script. They all laughed at him, except Alan Ladd, Jr at Fox. Bet in 1977 they were all beating their heads against a wall wishing they'd been kinder to Mr. Lucas. Ok, my 2nd point. Rewind to 1979, for those of you who can remember... those who weren't born then or were too young, trust me... There were no VCR's or DVD's. In order to refresh our memories, "Star Wars" was re-released to generate hype for "Empire". Ok, fast forward a bit to 1982, same thing, except "SW" and "Empire" both were re-released in prep for "Revenge/Return of the Jedi" remember that? Again no VHS or DVD. And then in 1984, a rerelease of all three. Of course, in the interveing time VCR's came out, HBO ran "SW" for the first time on tv etc. Ok, now fast forward to 1997, 20th anniversary of "Star Wars". What does one do to celebrate one of the most popular movies of all time? Put it back in the theater where it belongs instead of the small screen. And we all went and relived the magic.
So, now we move to Ep1. It wasn't what YOU thought it was going to be. It wasn't YOU read in the books or comics or the role playing supplements and had imaged the plot to be. I felt that way after "Jedi". My friends and I had more fun making up the 'what's going to happen next' stuff than we had watching the movie, so "Jedi" was a small let down. Now that time has passed and the movie plot and lines are ingrained in our memory, it's not the let down it was 17 years ago. I went in to EP1 with no preconceved notions except to have fun. And have fun I did. The lightsaber battle was awesome, the CGI astounding, and the music just as much fun as the original 2 record vinal set I still have and do play every so often. Jar Jar was not to everyone's taste so I'll leave that subject alone.
And my third and final point, Harry bashing. I don't know Harry, I have never met Harry, I don't even know what he looks like in person except to take his word he looks something the amination in the corner. He is the moderator of this board. He is human like the rest of us. He can change his mind if he wishes to and this time he thought he had some legimate interesting rumors instead of the lame bland ones he's received and posted in the past. Thank you, Harry for what ever your reasons. Post whatever you wish to and I applaude you for it. If you don't wish to read it, then don't come to this web site or click on the headline. It's that simple.
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Is this true? Sad news if so. I just tried to find some info. on this through various search-engines, but to no avail. Maybe someone can confirm . . . ?
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Hey, who's got beer? I'm drunnk agin and I'm gonna spoil this movie like fukcin' one month old milk on the roof! Ha ha! I just want you to know that Howard helped getm e a part in the Star Wars movie and I am a Jedi and and I tell Yada Yada Yada to shut the fuck up and don't make me shove a lightsaber up his green, wrinkled ass. I tell Anakin to go have sex with his muther, and then he goes and cries and gets hammered in Mos Angeles. Then I get some space liquor and bang the shit out of Queen Imadoya. I even get her of f with a good Force pushin' ha ha! Howad is in the movie too he does the stunts for Darth Sinous or whatever his fuckin name is. Did I tell you thta Beetlejuiice is in the movie and his name is Darth Tooth. He deflects many lazers with his fucked up teeth and then bites the head oof of a Jawa. The little dental nitemare uses the power of the Rock to get fucked up and tries to start shit with me. But after I kill everyone else and bang the Queen and her handjobmaidens I have a big fight with that turd. I start figting him with Ba Ba Boo Yi but he dies, so fuck him. Then I send empty 40s at Darth Tooth and he gets pissed and then I kick his ass because I'm too drunk to find my lifesaver. he thinks he's going to get me, but at the last minute, I have a Scores girl flash him and distract him and then I find my lifesaber and cut him in half. The ENd. P.S. Gary the Retard is BarBar's brotha.
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I have an aquaintence that said he'd done some documentary work with him about five years ago, and that he lives up in the Hollywood Hills. That's the last I heard of him, but I believe he had made some commentary on EP1 in an interview.
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Sep 10, 2000 10:50:04 PM CDT
KERSHNER IS ALIVE, AND TO THOSE WHO SAY LUCAS SHOULD N'T DIRECT
by moto
IRVIN KERSHNER, director of TESB ofcourse, IS alive and kicking... his latest project is CECILIA (2000).
NOW, FOR THOSE WHO THINK LUCAS SHOULDN'T DIRECT... well, he did GREAT with ANH!!!! For anyone who says the first one wasn't that great... damn, you ARE naive! Now, with that said, SOME of you didn't like SW1.... boo-fucking ho... don't see the next two installments if you have no faith in Lucas.
Now, you don't want Lucas because he fucked up SW1?? Because he made a bad film? Well, let me remind you that Irvin Kershner directed ROBOCOP 2. NEED I SAY MORE? My point? Every director has a misstep (I don't think SW1 was a mistep but it had problems). So for you fanboys that judge a director this way, you BETTER not have ANY praise for SPIELBERG, ZEMECKIS, FINCHER, SCORSESE, DE PALMA, CAMERON, POLANSKI, and not to mention MANY others that have had AT LEAST one bomb... or one film that just didn't match up! You want to judge people like that fine... I would expect nothing less from you.
TO THE GUY WHO SAID LUCAS IS MORE CONCERNED WITH MERCHANDISING RIGHTS, ETC. THAN MAKING GREAT FILMS.... Lucas is a GENIUS for taking advantage of SW merchandising even before he directed the first film!!!! Why, because now he doesn't have to suck the Hollywood studios' nuts to make a film! He can do whatever he wants! The money poors into his companies (ILM, LUCASFILM, THX and a dozen more)... and he can greenlight anything he wishes! So yes, he is concerned about those merchandising rights.... and I hope he keeps doing so. RESPECT him for that. And for God sakes... don't be so childish to resort to making fun of the guys weight, have you nothing better? SW1 is avisual masterpiece that DID have some problems, but was/is loved 'round the world!
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Wow, Annie you must be high on the crack. Someone says Lucas shouldn't direct EP2, and you start talking all kinds of crazy shit. I really didn't like the choices in directors the guy had, but still your whacked. Although the idea of the W. Brothers directing EP2 sounds pretty good to me. The Matrix is a fucking brillant film. Dark City was a rip off of City of Lost Childern. Remember where the dude is coming from Annie. Me and him saw the same EP1 which totally sucked. Lucasfilms and all its subsidiaries, has become a big bloated corporate machine, incapbable of any vision what so ever. Other then what toy is going to make the most money (i.e. Jar Jar Binks). Also you have to remember Lucas has only directed four films in his whole life (I'm including the film he did in college), and there was 20 years between Star Wars and EP1, so why would he be any good at directing. He hasn't had much practice.
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Wow, Annie you must be high on the crack. Someone says Lucas shouldn't direct EP2, and you start talking all kinds of crazy shit. I really didn't like the choices in directors the guy had, but still your whacked. Although the idea of the W. Brothers directing EP2 sounds pretty good to me. The Matrix is a fucking brillant film. Dark City was a rip off of City of Lost Childern. Remember where the dude is coming from Annie. Me and him saw the same EP1 which totally sucked. Lucasfilms and all its subsidiaries, has become a big bloated corporate machine, incapbable of any vision what so ever. Other then what toy is going to make the most money (i.e. Jar Jar Binks). Also you have to remember Lucas has only directed four films in his whole life (I'm including the film he did in college), and there was 20 years between Star Wars and EP1, so why would he be any good at directing. He hasn't had much practice.
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...Episode II will be every bit as huge and profitable as Episode 1 was. Yeah, yeah... Jar Jar was the digital Balki Bartokamos, Jake Lloyd made Eddie Furlong look like Edward Norton, and George did ultimately turn the whole thing into something akin to, say, a live-action Disney film with spectacular effects. Regardless, everyone saw the damn thing. Allright? And everyone's gonna see episode II. Stop kidding yourselves, naysayers. Gripe all you want, but George will still end up "taking your money" again. Personally, I wish George had made TPM differently, as do most of us, I think. Even Skywalker, A, who obviously enjoyed it and continuously praises the film's merits, probably would have liked a few things to have been different. But he's right; all the griping in the world can't change TPM at this point. So let's keep our fingers crossed for the next film. (BTW, Anakin, I can't go with you on your assessment of Blade Runner, dude. One thing I love the movie for is its rather timeless interpretation of "futuristic" L.A. I don't think the movie seems very dated at all, and I'd even say it seems less dated than Star Wars, truth to tell. Let's remember, though... opinions vary, bro.) And to the guy(s?) claiming Cameron would be an ideal director for a Star Wars film... eh... maybe. I think he would keep the characters a little more grounded as humans than archetypes (think Han Solo instead of Qui-Gon,) but I don't see Cameron and Lucas collaborating on a film. Not Star Wars, anyway. Basically, what is Cameron is Cameron, and what is Lucas is Lucas. The two are too distinct as themselves to try to make any kind of hybrid. It just wouldn't happen. Oh, and the Wachowskis? Give me a break. I do love the Matrix, but they are completely the wrong guys for a Star Wars film. Shit... I should stop now before I make a damn novel out of this, as is my M.O. Lightstormer out.
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Mo, you're right about George's prescient decision on keeping all the ancillary rights to the films. Not just the merchandising (which, itself, has given him more money than God,) but also the sequel and video rights. Let's not forget, people... The Phantom Menace was NOT A STUDIO FILM. It was in fact the world's most expensive independant film. $100+ million, all out of the writer/director's pocket. And he even got Fox eating out of his hand for the distribution. They cut their take of the grosses by HALF! This feat alone would make other directors and producers bow down and shout "We're not worthy! We're not worthy!" So again... people can rant and whine all they want about Lucas' "selling out," but I don't hear any of George's colleagues feeding him shit. Lightstormer out... again.
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Sep 11, 2000 12:43:58 AM CDT
...AND THERE'S FORTY MINUTES OF FUZZY FOOTAGE AND THE MILLINIUM
by lisa
Didn't anyone learn anything from the last movie???? g-u-l-l-a-b-l-e. Would any other film maker with an 18 month post schedule be worried??? Yes, they would.
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As far as I'm concerned until Lucas hires a director and a screenplay writer (any screenplay writer(s), even Matt Damon and Ben Affleck) the fanboys can have Episode 2. Georgie is so absorbed in his own world he didn't realize that the dialogue in Episode I had all the depth of a two-dollar hooker and the scenery, even with the massive green-screening, had all the depth and character of a two-dollar watch. If they're doing as much green-screening in Episode 2 then I guarantee that there is going a complete lack of grit and character in the scenery and attitude that we all know and love from the only movies worthy of the Star Wars title, Episodes IV-VI. So sorry, Grand Chieftan of that galaxy far, far away, which is apparently where your mind has floated to, I'll save my $7.50 for another ticket to see Lord of the Rings.
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Damn right he's putting the original three out again, he'll make money that way. If you could make that kind of money you would too. It's like saying that some rock star has sold out. If someone waved millions o' bucks in front of you could you say no? And don't give me that principles bullshit 'cause there is no way you wouldn't. Million dollars buys a lot of Slurpees. But hey, guess what, I have the Special Editions so I won't buy these new ones. And get this, you don't have to either! Isn't that a cool concept? Ole Washington and Jefferson and the whole rest of those guys with their signatures on the Declaration of Independece had a good idea. Freedom of choice, whodathunkit?! George can also choose things, like to put the movies in the stores again, so what good is hollering about it going to do? Nothing. What is George Lucas going to do when he hears that people are upset that he re-released the original trilogy? Laugh his ass all the way to the bank. MCMDXX
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I think that the confusion here is that it is Richard Marquand (director of ROTJ) who is, in fact, dead - not Irvin Kershner.
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Ooops, sorry, pressed the enter button too early! Anway, jeez, Star Wars talkbacks-don't they just get some people real worked up!
Well in case anybodys interested here's what I reckon, Star Wars, great film, but Empire, far better darker film. Now I love the trilogy but I felt really let down with TPM. I can only think thats because I'm not the kid who watched A New Hope all those years ago and so I can't see it in the same innocent child like way now.
Now episode 2 promises to be darker than TPM, much like Empire so lets have faith.
Treat Episode 1 like a warm up while Lucas tries to find his directing feet again, it may be an expensive way of doing it but we all know he's capable of so much more. That said, I'd of loved to see Kershner come back and do the second in the same vein as Empire but this is George Lucas's baby and he knows what he'd doing. Lets reserve judgement until there all finished and we can sit back, with a crate of beers and munchies and watch all 6 in order.
As for the re-release on video, I think that fucking stinks, you shouldn't keep thinking with your wallet George. I can only hope that he makes it up to us fans with the DVD's when they finally come out. There's so much potential there for the definitive Star Wars editions. I can understand why there gonna be held back so long though, if George is wanting to oversee the DVD releases then I guess he's gonna have hands full for a while yet.
But George, make em worthwhile, silence your critics, we want both versions of the originals, commentaries, interveiws, deleted scenes as much unseen stuff as you can pack onto a disc.
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Which is more important in the long run -- leaks (which are going to happen anyway), or tight acting from your cast so they have a full understanding of the storyline and characterization. Cinescape reports that AGAIN the actors are only getting scenes at a time. That is SUCH a stupid, stupid mistake...
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Alright first off, I will have to tell you of an experience I had when I watched Star Wars with a Japanese person. Now we all know George Lucas was inspired by the Kurosawa films and all but this is exactly what gets so many Japanese people so excited about Star Wars. Just because George Lucas like the Japanese culture and used the term "Jedi" based on the Japanese term "Jedai-Geki" for the term of elite samurai or Japanese warrior and because the "Jedai-Geki" followed the Bushido code which is similar to the Jedi code, they (Japanese people) believe Star Wars is something that completely originated from the Japanese culture. First off, when I watched The Phantom Menace with my Japanese buddy (Mr. Namba) I simply commented that Obi-Wan is a badass. All I said was, "Damn, he's a bad-ass, going in a fight as a Padawan against a Sith and not caring about getting killed." Mr. Namba immediately said, "You think he's a bad-ass huh? You like his pony-tail?" I said, "Yeah that too, but I just like how he just goes into every situation with determination. Remember how he said to Captain Panaka 'I'll deal with that.' Damn, that just showed how he was a badass." Mr. Namba continued, "Yeah but you like his pony tail eh? You know, that's Japanese." ALRIGHT RIGHT THERE AND THEN I SHUT THE DAMN VCR OFF AND I LOOKED AT MY BUDDY IN HIS FACE AND JUST LOOKED AT HIM LIKE HE WAS BEING A JACKASS. There I was trying to enjoy my movie and this guy tries to imprint the image of Japanese culture on Obi-Wan Kenobi, who may perhaps be the best representation for everything that Star Wars stood for. I was furious cos all I knew was that I was watching my movie, and all of a sudden, this egocentrical person steps in to talk about his culture like it was the best. ALRIGHT FIRST OF ALL, EVERYTHING THAT THE JAPANESE CULTURE HAS DEVELOPED HAD ITS INITIAL TIES TO CHINA. WHERE DO U THINK THEY GOT THEIR LANGUAGE LITERATURE, ART, CLOTHES, EVERYTHING EXCEPT THEIR TASTE FOR RAW FOOD. SECOND, DO NOT ALL JEDI'S USE STRAIGHT SWORDS? WAS THERE EVER ONCE, A JEDI THAT USED A CURVED LOOKING LIGHTSABER OR A KATANA. NOOOO! ALL JEDI'S SWORDS ARE STRAIGHT AND THAT DETERMINES THEIR ACCURACY, SWING, BLOCKING TECHNIQUES, ETC. HAD A JEDI'S LIGHTSABER BEEN CURVED AS IS CHARACTERISTIC OF ALL SAMURAI SWORDS, WUT U SEE IN THE MOVIE WOULD NOT BE THE SAME IN TERMS OF THEIR ACCURACY, SWING, BLOCKING TECHNIQUES, ETC. THIRD, OBI-WAN KENOBI'S HAIR STYLE INCLUDING ITS PONY-TAIL IS DEFINITELY NOT JAPANESE IN NATURE. SURE THERE ARE SUCH THINGS CALLED SAMURAI PONY TAILS AND U CAN ALWAYS CATCH A GLIMPSE OF THEM ON THE SAMURAI'S FEATURED IN KUROSAWA'S FILMS AS WELL AS OLD JAPANESE SAMURAI FILMS THAT FEATURE ZATOICHI: THE BLIND MASSEUSE THAT SAVES THE DAY. BUT U GOTTA BE MORE CAREFUL TO SEE THAT IT IS STILL NOT THE SAME AS OBI-WAN'S. SAMURAI PONY TAILS ARE ALWAYS STICKING STRAIGHT OUT OF A SAMURAI'S HEAD BECAUSE IT IS BUNDLED TOO TIGHTLY AND IT COMES OUT AS A TUFT OF HAIR DIVERGING IN NUMEROUS DIRECTIONS. PLAY "TENCHU" THE PLAYSTATION GAME USING THE GIRL AND YOU WILL KNOW WUT I MEAN. OR IT'S ALWAYS TOO SHORT AND TOO HIGH UP IN THE CRANIAL AREA SO IT MAKES A SAMURAI LOOK LIKE A GORILLA THAT HAS A SAGGITARRIAL CREST RATHER THAN A BADASS. OR IF YOU LOOK AT "GOLDENBOY" A JAPANESE ANIME, YOU WILL SEE THAT GOLDENBOY HAS A PONYTAIL THAT IS FAIRLY LONG BUT RIGHT SMACK DOWN AT THE PLACE WHERE THE NECK IS SO THAT FROM BEHIND, GOLDEN BOY LOOKS LIKE HE HAS A CUTE LITTLE SQUIRREL ON HIS HEAD. SOMETIMES A SAMURAI SHAVES HIS HEAD AND THEN LEAVES A PONY-TAIL BUT THEN IT GIVES A DUMBASS EFFECT LIKE "PRINCE XIZOR" FROM THE CHRONICLES OF STAR WARS: SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE. FINALLY, THERE IS THE MATTER OF ATTIRE. JEDI'S WEAR A FLOWING ROBE WITH LONG WIDE SLEEVES. IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS MOVIES THAT INVOLVE STRAIGHT SWORDS, A GOOD ONE WOULD BE "THE DUEL", YOU WILL ACTUALLY SEE THAT OBI-WAN LOOKS ENTIRELY LIKE A CHARACTER OR WARRIOR THAT COULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE ANCIENT SOCIETY THAT ONCE DOMINATED CHINA. So let me recap, 1) Japanese people copy Chinese people 2) Lightsabers are straight like the antique straight swords that can be found in China and are not curved 3) The Japanese pony tail that Mr. Namba refered to probably looked like crap (cos it was basically bad imitation off of the Chinese) and comparable to Prince Xizor's pony tail while 4) During the times of ancient China, Chinese warriors dressed in the same exact fashion as Obi-Wan Kenobi did and 5) fashioned their hair style including their pony-tail in the exact , shape, length, and location as Obi-Wan Kenobi did. ALL THAT REMAINS FOLKS IS THAT JEDIS STILL HAVE TO BE CALLED JEDIS SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS FOR THE SAKE OF CONTINUITY EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE BASICALLY CHINESE IN NATURE AND OBI-WAN KENOBI WHILE I DO ADMIT SOUNDS A BIT LIKE JAPANESE HAS TO REMAIN THAT WAY FOR CONTINUITY EVEN THOUGH HE IS CHINESE. OOPS I FORGOT TO MENTION ABOUT FORCE OR IN CHINESE TERMS "CHI-KUNG" AND BELIEVE ME THAT WHOLE ORDEAL WITH QUI-GON JINN TAKING ON ONLY ONE APPRENTICE, THAT'S FROM AN ANCIENT CHINESE PHILOSOPHY THAT IF YOU HAVE MORE, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO TEACH THEM FULLY SINCE YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO CONCENTRATE YOUR FULLEST EFFORTS ON ONE PADAWAN AND THEN ANOTHER WHICH IS NOT EFFICIENT AT ALL AND MAY CAUSE JEALOUSY AS YOU HAVE SEEN IN OBI-WAN'S EYES AS WELL AS ANAKIN'S. HOWEVER, SITH IS DIFFERENT. BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE VIOLENT IN NATURE AND HAVE ALREADY DEVOTED THEMSELVES TO THE DARK SIDE, THE JEALOUS APPRENTICES WOULD SIMPLY DUEL TO THE DEATH AND THAT IS WHY THE RULE CAME ABOUT, "NO MORE, NO LESS, A MASTER AND AN APPRENTICE." FURTHERMORE, I BELIEVE GEORGE LUCAS IN HIS EARLIER YEARS, CLEARLY, I REPEAR, CLEARLY WAS JAPANESE WASHED. HAVE U EVER HEARD OF POKEMON? A BETTER QUESTION WOULD BE WHO HASN'T HEARD OF POKEMON. OK. THERE U GO, THE JAPANESE HAVE A WAY WITH JAPANESE-WASHING PEOPLE'S MINDS. ALSO, WHY DO YOU THINK HE HIRED A CHINESE PERSON TO CREATE THE PRE-PRODUCTION PAINTINGS USED TO DIRECT THE LOOK OF THE MOVIE BEFORE IT WAS EVER SHOT? DOUG CHIANG NOT ONLY PAINTED 1000 PAINTINGS FOR THE PRODUCTION OF EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE ( A WHOPPING 33% OUT OF THE PAINTINGS TOTAL CREATED BY THE ART DEPARTMENT) BUT HE EVEN HEADED THE ART DEPARTMENT ENTIRELY AND EXACTLY FOR THE MATTER OF NEWLY RECONSTRUCTING THE LOOK OF STAR WARS. WITH ALL THOSE JAPANESE ANIMATORS OUT THERE WHY DOESN'T HE JUST HIRE SOME OF THEM? DOESN'T HE WANT A JAPANESE LOOK FOR HIS STAR WARS FILMS? CLEARLY, GEORGE LUCAS IS NOT STUPID AND CLEARLY HE IS NOT JAPANESE WASHED ANYMORE WHICH IS WHY HE HIRED A CHINESE ART DIRECTOR. THIS IS ALSO BECAUSE GEORGE LUCAS UNDERSTANDS THAT JEDI'S ARE BASICALLY CHINESE ENTAILING THAT IT IS ONLY RIGHT TO GIVE THE JOB TO SOMEONE LIKE DOUGH CHIANG TO DRAW UPON HIS CHINESE CULTURE. FURTHER MORE SINCE HE ALLOWED DOUG CHIANG TO DO MOST OF THE WORK, THE PHANTOM MENACE LOOKED EXACTLY WORD FOR WORD AND PAINTBRUSH STROKE FOR PAINTBRUSH STROKE LIKE HIS PAINTINGS, RESULTING IN A GENUINELY CHINESE FEEL AND EXPERIENCE WHEN U WATCH TPM. OR MAYBE GEORGE LUCAS IS STILL JAPANESE WASHED BUT HE IS WILLING TO CORRECT HIS MISTAKES BECAUSE STAR WARS IS HIS ENTIRE LIFE AND HE CAN'T BE LIVING A LIE LIKE "STAR WARS IS INSPIRED BY THE JAPANESE CULTURE" FOR HIS ENTIRE LIFE WHICH IS THE EXACT REASON WHY HE HIRED DOUG CHIANG. AGAIN I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THAT EVERYTHING THAT SEEMS JAPANESE IN STAR WARS AFTER "RETURN OF THE JEDI" OR I SHOULD RATHER SAY EVERYTHING STARTING FROM "STAR WARS: EPISODE I - THE PHANTOM MENACE" IS SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONTINUITY. THE WORDS JEDI, OBI-WAN KENOBI, AND YODA. I MEAN SERIOUSLY FOLKS, OBI-WAN KENOBI WOULD STILL BE AS CHINESE AND BADASS AS THE MEANEST JEDI THAT EVER LIVED EVEN IF HIS NAME WAS JAR JAR, YOU GET THE IDEA. AND YOU CAN CALL THE JEDI, WITH A FRATERNITY NAME LIKE, "ATO OR ATL OR KAPPA-ALPHA," AND THEY'D STILL BE AS CHINESE, MYSTERIOUS, CODIFIED, AND ELITE AS THEY ALWAYS WERE. ALL IM SAYING IS OBI-WAN KENOBI IS CHINESE BECAUSE FOR THE MOST OBVIOUS REASONS: HE LOOKS CHINESE AND HE USES A STRAIGHT LIGHTSABER NOT A CURVED ONE, ANAKIN SKYWALKER IS CHINESE UNTIL HE TURNED INTO DARTH VADER THAT LOOKS LIKE A JAPANESE SAMURAI WITH THAT BIG WIDE HELMET, YODA AND EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL IS CHINESE, EVERY SINGLE JEDI IS CHINESE COS THEY USE THE FORCE, YES EVEN THE SITH ARE CHINESE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRAINED IN THE JEDI ARTS AND THEY FOLLOW A GREAT DEAL OF CHINESE PHILOSOPHY. I'D SAY THE ONLY JAPANESE CHARACTERS YOU WILL FIND WITHIN THE STAR WARS UNIVERSE ARE THE NEMOIDIANS AND THEIR OBSESSIONS WITH EXPORTING THEIR GOODS=ANALAGOUS TO THE JAPANESE BULK SELLING THEIR SPORTS CARS TO THE US. THE MANDALORIANS ARE JAPANESE WITH THEIR SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY=ANALAGOUS TO ADVANCED JAPANESE ELECTRONICS LIKE SONY AND PLAYSTATION 2. ALSO DARTH VADER AND POSSIBLY QUI-GON JINN BECAUSE THEY BOTH SIT DOWN ON THE FLOOR AND MEDITATE TOO MUCH. OH AND LOOK AT MASTER QUI-GON JINN'S BEARD, THAT DEFINITELY LOOKS JAPANESE. JUST GO TO THE GETTYSBURG MUSEUM AND YOU WILL SEE JAPANESE PORCELEIN ART AND SCULPTURES FEATURING JAPANESE NATIVE MEN HAVING GROTESQUE AND BUSHY BEARDS AS WELL AS SUPER LONG HAIR THAT THEY NEVER WASH.
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Alright first off, I will have to tell you of an experience I had when I watched Star Wars with a Japanese person. Now we all know George Lucas was inspired by the Kurosawa films and all but this is exactly what gets so many Japanese people so excited about Star Wars. Just because George Lucas like the Japanese culture and used the term "Jedi" based on the Japanese term "Jedai-Geki" for the term of elite samurai or Japanese warrior and because the "Jedai-Geki" followed the Bushido code which is similar to the Jedi code, they (Japanese people) believe Star Wars is something that completely originated from the Japanese culture. First off, when I watched The Phantom Menace with my Japanese buddy (Mr. Namba) I simply commented that Obi-Wan is a badass. All I said was, "Damn, he's a bad-ass, going in a fight as a Padawan against a Sith and not caring about getting killed." Mr. Namba immediately said, "You think he's a bad-ass huh? You like his pony-tail?" I said, "Yeah that too, but I just like how he just goes into every situation with determination. Remember how he said to Captain Panaka 'I'll deal with that.' Damn, that just showed how he was a badass." Mr. Namba continued, "Yeah but you like his pony tail eh? You know, that's Japanese." ALRIGHT RIGHT THERE AND THEN I SHUT THE DAMN VCR OFF AND I LOOKED AT MY BUDDY IN HIS FACE AND JUST LOOKED AT HIM LIKE HE WAS BEING A JACKASS. There I was trying to enjoy my movie and this guy tries to imprint the image of Japanese culture on Obi-Wan Kenobi, who may perhaps be the best representation for everything that Star Wars stood for. I was furious cos all I knew was that I was watching my movie, and all of a sudden, this egocentrical person steps in to talk about his culture like it was the best. ALRIGHT FIRST OF ALL, EVERYTHING THAT THE JAPANESE CULTURE HAS DEVELOPED HAD ITS INITIAL TIES TO CHINA. WHERE DO U THINK THEY GOT THEIR LANGUAGE LITERATURE, ART, CLOTHES, EVERYTHING EXCEPT THEIR TASTE FOR RAW FOOD. SECOND, DO NOT ALL JEDI'S USE STRAIGHT SWORDS? WAS THERE EVER ONCE, A JEDI THAT USED A CURVED LOOKING LIGHTSABER OR A KATANA. NOOOO! ALL JEDI'S SWORDS ARE STRAIGHT AND THAT DETERMINES THEIR ACCURACY, SWING, BLOCKING TECHNIQUES, ETC. HAD A JEDI'S LIGHTSABER BEEN CURVED AS IS CHARACTERISTIC OF ALL SAMURAI SWORDS, WUT U SEE IN THE MOVIE WOULD NOT BE THE SAME IN TERMS OF THEIR ACCURACY, SWING, BLOCKING TECHNIQUES, ETC. THIRD, OBI-WAN KENOBI'S HAIR STYLE INCLUDING ITS PONY-TAIL IS DEFINITELY NOT JAPANESE IN NATURE. SURE THERE ARE SUCH THINGS CALLED SAMURAI PONY TAILS AND U CAN ALWAYS CATCH A GLIMPSE OF THEM ON THE SAMURAI'S FEATURED IN KUROSAWA'S FILMS AS WELL AS OLD JAPANESE SAMURAI FILMS THAT FEATURE ZATOICHI: THE BLIND MASSEUSE THAT SAVES THE DAY. BUT U GOTTA BE MORE CAREFUL TO SEE THAT IT IS STILL NOT THE SAME AS OBI-WAN'S. SAMURAI PONY TAILS ARE ALWAYS STICKING STRAIGHT OUT OF A SAMURAI'S HEAD BECAUSE IT IS BUNDLED TOO TIGHTLY AND IT COMES OUT AS A TUFT OF HAIR DIVERGING IN NUMEROUS DIRECTIONS. PLAY "TENCHU" THE PLAYSTATION GAME USING THE GIRL AND YOU WILL KNOW WUT I MEAN. OR IT'S ALWAYS TOO SHORT AND TOO HIGH UP IN THE CRANIAL AREA SO IT MAKES A SAMURAI LOOK LIKE A GORILLA THAT HAS A SAGGITARRIAL CREST RATHER THAN A BADASS. OR IF YOU LOOK AT "GOLDENBOY" A JAPANESE ANIME, YOU WILL SEE THAT GOLDENBOY HAS A PONYTAIL THAT IS FAIRLY LONG BUT RIGHT SMACK DOWN AT THE PLACE WHERE THE NECK IS SO THAT FROM BEHIND, GOLDEN BOY LOOKS LIKE HE HAS A CUTE LITTLE SQUIRREL ON HIS HEAD. SOMETIMES A SAMURAI SHAVES HIS HEAD AND THEN LEAVES A PONY-TAIL BUT THEN IT GIVES A DUMBASS EFFECT LIKE "PRINCE XIZOR" FROM THE CHRONICLES OF STAR WARS: SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE. FINALLY, THERE IS THE MATTER OF ATTIRE. JEDI'S WEAR A FLOWING ROBE WITH LONG WIDE SLEEVES. IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS MOVIES THAT INVOLVE STRAIGHT SWORDS, A GOOD ONE WOULD BE "THE DUEL", YOU WILL ACTUALLY SEE THAT OBI-WAN LOOKS ENTIRELY LIKE A CHARACTER OR WARRIOR THAT COULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE ANCIENT SOCIETY THAT ONCE DOMINATED CHINA. So let me recap, 1) Japanese people copy Chinese people 2) Lightsabers are straight like the antique straight swords that can be found in China and are not curved 3) The Japanese pony tail that Mr. Namba refered to probably looked like crap (cos it was basically bad imitation off of the Chinese) and comparable to Prince Xizor's pony tail while 4) During the times of ancient China, Chinese warriors dressed in the same exact fashion as Obi-Wan Kenobi did and 5) fashioned their hair style including their pony-tail in the exact , shape, length, and location as Obi-Wan Kenobi did. ALL THAT REMAINS FOLKS IS THAT JEDIS STILL HAVE TO BE CALLED JEDIS SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS FOR THE SAKE OF CONTINUITY EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE BASICALLY CHINESE IN NATURE AND OBI-WAN KENOBI WHILE I DO ADMIT SOUNDS A BIT LIKE JAPANESE HAS TO REMAIN THAT WAY FOR CONTINUITY EVEN THOUGH HE IS CHINESE. OOPS I FORGOT TO MENTION ABOUT FORCE OR IN CHINESE TERMS "CHI-KUNG" AND BELIEVE ME THAT WHOLE ORDEAL WITH QUI-GON JINN TAKING ON ONLY ONE APPRENTICE, THAT'S FROM AN ANCIENT CHINESE PHILOSOPHY THAT IF YOU HAVE MORE, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO TEACH THEM FULLY SINCE YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO CONCENTRATE YOUR FULLEST EFFORTS ON ONE PADAWAN AND THEN ANOTHER WHICH IS NOT EFFICIENT AT ALL AND MAY CAUSE JEALOUSY AS YOU HAVE SEEN IN OBI-WAN'S EYES AS WELL AS ANAKIN'S. HOWEVER, SITH IS DIFFERENT. BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE VIOLENT IN NATURE AND HAVE ALREADY DEVOTED THEMSELVES TO THE DARK SIDE, THE JEALOUS APPRENTICES WOULD SIMPLY DUEL TO THE DEATH AND THAT IS WHY THE RULE CAME ABOUT, "NO MORE, NO LESS, A MASTER AND AN APPRENTICE." FURTHERMORE, I BELIEVE GEORGE LUCAS IN HIS EARLIER YEARS, CLEARLY, I REPEAR, CLEARLY WAS JAPANESE WASHED. HAVE U EVER HEARD OF POKEMON? A BETTER QUESTION WOULD BE WHO HASN'T HEARD OF POKEMON. OK. THERE U GO, THE JAPANESE HAVE A WAY WITH JAPANESE-WASHING PEOPLE'S MINDS. ALSO, WHY DO YOU THINK HE HIRED A CHINESE PERSON TO CREATE THE PRE-PRODUCTION PAINTINGS USED TO DIRECT THE LOOK OF THE MOVIE BEFORE IT WAS EVER SHOT? DOUG CHIANG NOT ONLY PAINTED 1000 PAINTINGS FOR THE PRODUCTION OF EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE ( A WHOPPING 33% OUT OF THE PAINTINGS TOTAL CREATED BY THE ART DEPARTMENT) BUT HE EVEN HEADED THE ART DEPARTMENT ENTIRELY AND EXACTLY FOR THE MATTER OF NEWLY RECONSTRUCTING THE LOOK OF STAR WARS. WITH ALL THOSE JAPANESE ANIMATORS OUT THERE WHY DOESN'T HE JUST HIRE SOME OF THEM? DOESN'T HE WANT A JAPANESE LOOK FOR HIS STAR WARS FILMS? CLEARLY, GEORGE LUCAS IS NOT STUPID AND CLEARLY HE IS NOT JAPANESE WASHED ANYMORE WHICH IS WHY HE HIRED A CHINESE ART DIRECTOR. THIS IS ALSO BECAUSE GEORGE LUCAS UNDERSTANDS THAT JEDI'S ARE BASICALLY CHINESE ENTAILING THAT IT IS ONLY RIGHT TO GIVE THE JOB TO SOMEONE LIKE DOUGH CHIANG TO DRAW UPON HIS CHINESE CULTURE. FURTHER MORE SINCE HE ALLOWED DOUG CHIANG TO DO MOST OF THE WORK, THE PHANTOM MENACE LOOKED EXACTLY WORD FOR WORD AND PAINTBRUSH STROKE FOR PAINTBRUSH STROKE LIKE HIS PAINTINGS, RESULTING IN A GENUINELY CHINESE FEEL AND EXPERIENCE WHEN U WATCH TPM. OR MAYBE GEORGE LUCAS IS STILL JAPANESE WASHED BUT HE IS WILLING TO CORRECT HIS MISTAKES BECAUSE STAR WARS IS HIS ENTIRE LIFE AND HE CAN'T BE LIVING A LIE LIKE "STAR WARS IS INSPIRED BY THE JAPANESE CULTURE" FOR HIS ENTIRE LIFE WHICH IS THE EXACT REASON WHY HE HIRED DOUG CHIANG. AGAIN I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THAT EVERYTHING THAT SEEMS JAPANESE IN STAR WARS AFTER "RETURN OF THE JEDI" OR I SHOULD RATHER SAY EVERYTHING STARTING FROM "STAR WARS: EPISODE I - THE PHANTOM MENACE" IS SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONTINUITY. THE WORDS JEDI, OBI-WAN KENOBI, AND YODA. I MEAN SERIOUSLY FOLKS, OBI-WAN KENOBI WOULD STILL BE AS CHINESE AND BADASS AS THE MEANEST JEDI THAT EVER LIVED EVEN IF HIS NAME WAS JAR JAR, YOU GET THE IDEA. AND YOU CAN CALL THE JEDI, WITH A FRATERNITY NAME LIKE, "ATO OR ATL OR KAPPA-ALPHA," AND THEY'D STILL BE AS CHINESE, MYSTERIOUS, CODIFIED, AND ELITE AS THEY ALWAYS WERE. ALL IM SAYING IS OBI-WAN KENOBI IS CHINESE BECAUSE FOR THE MOST OBVIOUS REASONS: HE LOOKS CHINESE AND HE USES A STRAIGHT LIGHTSABER NOT A CURVED ONE, ANAKIN SKYWALKER IS CHINESE UNTIL HE TURNED INTO DARTH VADER THAT LOOKS LIKE A JAPANESE SAMURAI WITH THAT BIG WIDE HELMET, YODA AND EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL IS CHINESE, EVERY SINGLE JEDI IS CHINESE COS THEY USE THE FORCE, YES EVEN THE SITH ARE CHINESE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRAINED IN THE JEDI ARTS AND THEY FOLLOW A GREAT DEAL OF CHINESE PHILOSOPHY. I'D SAY THE ONLY JAPANESE CHARACTERS YOU WILL FIND WITHIN THE STAR WARS UNIVERSE ARE THE NEMOIDIANS AND THEIR OBSESSIONS WITH EXPORTING THEIR GOODS=ANALAGOUS TO THE JAPANESE BULK SELLING THEIR SPORTS CARS TO THE US. THE MANDALORIANS ARE JAPANESE WITH THEIR SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY=ANALAGOUS TO ADVANCED JAPANESE ELECTRONICS LIKE SONY AND PLAYSTATION 2. ALSO DARTH VADER AND POSSIBLY QUI-GON JINN BECAUSE THEY BOTH SIT DOWN ON THE FLOOR AND MEDITATE TOO MUCH. OH AND LOOK AT MASTER QUI-GON JINN'S BEARD, THAT DEFINITELY LOOKS JAPANESE. JUST GO TO THE GETTYSBURG MUSEUM AND YOU WILL SEE JAPANESE PORCELEIN ART AND SCULPTURES FEATURING JAPANESE NATIVE MEN HAVING GROTESQUE AND BUSHY BEARDS AS WELL AS SUPER LONG HAIR THAT THEY NEVER WASH.
Ray: The stormtroopers were NOT supossed to be Jedi's you numbnuts. Not everyone with a lightsaber is a Jedi.
Sender: False, George Lucas believes that anyone in his Star Wars films who fights with a lightsaber is because they have extraordinary skill, power, and elegance as opposed to those that use blasters. Stormtroopers used blasters but they were initially drawn with lightsabers and that is very subjective. They could have been a Jedi's match (being able to fight with one entails particular training), per se, but because they finally became analagous with blasters shows that they have less skill, power, and elegance as opposed to Jedi's. All I was saying was those having extraordinary skill, power, and elegance were characters free of a predetermined look. And even if Jedi's were meant to be geared towards a Japanese look (entailing that it was predetermined), than obviously those that believe so (including George Lucas) are falsifying what is called the "truth." The "truth" is that Jedi's look Chinese in origin. I call it as I see them.
Ray: Then you say "Darth vader is definitely samurai like with his helmet so i am not racist."
Sender: That is the truth. In fact, Darth Vader was supposed to have a completely samurai looking helmet with a cloth as a face mask but because Ralph said that Star Wars is futuristic, Lucas thought the technological face mask was a brilliant idea.
Ray: Then you say : "Furthermore, the new obi design far surpasses the old one making him look a lot more sleeker, faster, and daring in design" Geee, would that be because he is YOUNGER now?...Young people and Old people dress differently you know, but still his Costume is practically unchanged.
Sender: You are only catering to what I have been saying all along. Hell, Qui-Gon Jinn was perhaps as near as Obi-Wan Kenobi's age when he was in A New Hope. However, he wore the same costume design Obi did in The Phantom Menace and he looks just as sleek, fast, and daring as Obi. However, Qui-Gon may have looked fast but he wasn't. On the other hand, Obi-Wan Kenobi in A New Hope for all we know died because he let it be. With his age, he had become a great master and he was probably hiding more that we can ever imagine (hell when he died, he was still appearing here and there!) but he certainly looked weak in A New Hope and that's not just because he had wrinkles on his face. His costume inside and out looked very sluggish in A New Hope than when compared to the better Chinese version in The Phantom Menace.
Ray: "Wut is even more intriguing is that Ralph and Doug have been known to work closely together during the design phase and so the original Obi look had been slowly transformed to a chinese look. " Ralph McQuarrie retired from the bussiness, the only access Dough had to McQuarrie was through his paintings.
Sender: No, I am pretty sure that they have become good friends and they analyze each others paintings regardless of whether or not Ralph retired (this isn't construction work). Furthermore, Doug tries to live up to Ralph's paintings through their simple presence, objectiveness, vivid colors, and realism that they convey for Star Wars which isn't too sci-fi but rather with an Earthly feel. Doug may have drawn from his Chinese culture (or Chinese culture research from a simple library) to give Star Wars a historical feel to the Jedi from Chinese origins. What Doug Chiang does not do is copy Ralph McQuarrie for his designs and for obvious reasons, this is the prequel trilogy we are talking about and from what I have seen, there has been very little continuity in terms of design in The Phantom Menace in regards to the original trilogy and I hope it remains that way.
Ray: This is not about pride, it's about customs. Doug confessed he knows very little from the Chinese culture, because he is an U.S. citizen and never been to china or anything.
Sender: You don't have to go there in order to be educated about such a culture or any other culture for that matter.
Ray: I think it is pretty obvious you have issues against the Japanese culture, and that my friend, is what we call R-A-C-I-S-M.
Sender: I am not, I simply call it as I see them.
Ray: But you still say you're not racist...how about comments like these, from your previews email "DARTH VADER AND POSSIBLY QUI-GON JINN BECAUSE THEY BOTH SIT DOWN ON THE FLOOR AND MEDITATE TOO MUCH.
Sender: There is a Japanese word for such meditation when you kneel down like that. Something like Hama-kiri.
Ray: Further, you said, "OH AND LOOK AT MASTER QUI-GON JINN'S BEARD, THAT DEFINITELY LOOKS JAPANESE. JUST GO TO THE GETTYSBURG MUSEUM AND YOU WILL SEE JAPANESE PORCELEIN ART AND SCULPTURES FEATURING JAPANESE NATIVE MEN HAVING GROTESQUE AND BUSHY BEARDS AS WELL AS SUPER LONG HAIR THAT THEY NEVER WASH. "
Sender: That is definitely true. The Japanese were strict as hell in the Shogunate days 1590-1750. They didn't wash their hair and they grew bushy beards as a sign of masculinity.
I do admit that I rant but it is only for Star Wars that I do this since Star Wars is perhaps the only thing that uses a lot of historical background in its making and I can't help but feeling held back when people just falsify the truth for everyone else. I vent the truth sooner or later.
Ray: Star Wars shouldn't be tainted with the subject of race.
Sender: Star Wars would not be the same were it not for the history and the different cultures that numerous races have created over time. If you create something totally bizarre for Star Wars, it wouldn't look Star Wars. It would look too far-fetched like Babylon 5 or Star Trek.
Ray: I am glad you are proud of being of Chinese heritage, just don't take out your shortcomings as a person with other races.
Sender: You can call me a racist China-man all you want but I respect all races, cultures, and the whole human race. But it should be intrinsic for anyone to sense whether someone is just being egocentric or just telling it like it really is.
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