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HERCULES Knows When Your Favorite Show Premieres!!

Published at: Sept. 8, 2000, 7:28 a.m. CST

Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with a little something that Hercules the Strong laid on me earlier tonight. It's going to be handy as the next month or two of TV rolls out. For my money, it's all about September 26 and November 5, but I'm sure there's plenty here everyone else is interested in. Take it away, Herc.

Mom, is it fallllll yet?!?

It’s already started baby, with “Moesha,” and “The Parkers” in full swing.

But mostly we have to wait till fucking October.

These are the premiere dates for returning shows I had to compile from TV Guide anyway, so I thought I might share. All shows Coax readers give a shit about (based on your talkbacks and e-mail) are, helpfully, in CAPS. Let the thanking begin!

Sept. 4

Moesha

The Parkers

Sept. 22

POPULAR

Sabrina, the Teenage Witch

Sept. 26

ANGEL

BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER

September Undated

Relic Hunter

Oct. 2

Daddio

EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND

Family Law

The King of Queens

ROSWELL

7th Heaven

Third Watch

Oct. 3

Jag

Judging Amy

THAT ‘70s SHOW

TITUS

Oct. 4

Dawson’s Creek

FELICITY

STAR TREK: VOYAGER

THE WEST WING

Oct. 5

CHARMED

City of Angels

Diagnosis Murder

Oct. 6

Nash Bridges

Oct. 7

Walker, Texas Ranger

Oct. 8

For Your Love

The Jamie Foxx Show

The Steve Harvey Show

Touched By An Angel

Oct. 9

Becker

Oct. 11

7 DAYS

Oct. 12

ER

FRIENDS

JUST SHOOT ME

WILL & GRACE

Oct. 18

LAW & ORDER

Oct. 20

LAW & ORDER: SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT

Providence

Oct. 23

ALLY McBEAL

Oct. 24

FRASIER

THIRD ROCK FROM THE SUN

October Undated

Battle Dome

Baywatch Hawaii

Beastmaster

CLEOPATRA 2525

Dhama & Greg

THE DREW CAREY SHOW

EARTH: FINAL CONFLICT

JACK OF ALL TRADES

The Lost World

NORM

Once and Again

THE PRACTICE

Spin City

Two Guys and a Girl

VIP

WHOSE LINE IS IT ANYWAY?

XENA: WARRIOR PRINCESS

Nov. 5

FUTURAMA

KING OF THE HILL

MALCOLM IN THE MIDDLE

THE SIMPSONS

THE X-FILES

January

JACK & JILL

NYPD BLUE

OZ

SURVIVOR II

I remind you not to defy me!

I am – Hercules!

Readers Talkback

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  • Sept. 8, 2000, 8 a.m. CST

    thank you WB

    by dougmac

    for not taking forever like some networks. and by the way...FIRST!

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 8:48 a.m. CST

    huh?

    by B A Fett

    Why is ST: Voyager in CAPS? Does anybody really give a damn about this show any more? Also, Sundays are gonna suck until November 5th.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 8:55 a.m. CST

    It's official: I'm pathetic!

    by Darla

    Thanks for the info; I have a couple of short trips planned for September and October, so I might have to actually write these dates in my calendar to remind myself to set the VCR. Time to get that huge "L" tattooed on my forehead....

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 9:09 a.m. CST

    you forgot to caps KING OF QUEENS.......

    by iAmGladiator

    Dude, this show is one of the funniest around. It's a great lead-in to EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND, and to tell you the truth, I watch KING OF QUEENS a little more, thanks to the WWF coming on at the same time as Raymond...... You know what I just realized... I'm arguing about not capsing a fucking t.v. show.. How fucking pathetic is that?????????

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Missed one on Oct. 9th

    by Mylow

    Dark Angel. I think that at least a *few* of us are planning on tuning in. =)

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 9:32 a.m. CST

    my fears are true........

    by vekt0r

    the sopranos isn't premiering anytime soon a friend of mine told me that it takes 17months in between seasons of it....anyone know if this is true? ehhh....fuggetaboutit

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 9:34 a.m. CST

    October??

    by TheRock

    Why the devil does it take so long to get new eps these days??

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Where is THE TICK?

    by TheEconomist

    What happened to our well-nigh invulnerable superhero? Does a show have to be cancelled for the Tick to get on the air?

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 10:22 a.m. CST

    This is what it takes to get on AICN?

    by gary2012

    Wow, if only I had thought of it on Monday when I got my TV Guide I could have sent in their story and gotten printed here. Foolish me. I thought that anyone who cared would already have a TV Guide and know all this. Now Herc usually is pretty good when it comes to info, but this is a weak article...All I can say about this season is that the one show I am actually dieing to see start is Futurama, though the "Prisoner" themed episode of the Simpsons has me quite excited. Hopefull the Tick is nowhere to be seen this year...On a side note EVERYONE GO AND SEE NURSE BETTY RIGHT NOW!!!!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Oh and the Sopranos...

    by gary2012

    I forgot. That is the other show that I can't wait to begin. Saddly I don't think it will start until early next year. If I remember right the last season didn't premier until February or something (but I'm probably off on that). I doubt that it takes seventeen months between seasons. That would be insane even for any of the most effects laden complicated shows on television, let alone something more simple (in that technical area) as the Sopranos. I know they are already at work on next season too.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 10:33 a.m. CST

    What, no FAMILY GUY?

    by Billy Goat

    It figures. And by the way, I would have put "The Lost World" in caps. Yes it's cheesy, but it has a sort of "Doctor Who" vibe. It's everything that the 90's remake of "Land of the Lost" should have been.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 10:35 a.m. CST

    mylow

    by CMBat

    this is just the list of RETURNING shows, which is why Dark Angel wasn't listed. And yes, there's a few of us looking forward to it.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 10:48 a.m. CST

    New show premiers

    by tdn

    Thank you for using the caps - you were pretty much correct on the shows I like...and I'm impressed you included Xena. But, then again, you are HERCULES!

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 10:51 a.m. CST

    vektOr & peoples' poet

    by Sonata

    The Sopranos will begin in March. Hope I can make it. Its the only show I can say I watch religiously.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Tick is a mid-season replacement

    by Squashua

    Tick will come in mid-season to replace a show. It's been billed as such, which is why it's rumored that only 6 episodes (a half-season) were made. Anyone want to base any facts down for the rest of us?

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Show us what ya' got, TV!

    by Godai-kun

    We'll get to see a new Simpsons episode a little earlier than 9/5. I've heard that "Treehouse of Horror XI" will air just before Halloween, as is the tradition. But for some reason, 9/5 is the "official" start of the season. Weird, I know.... I also remember hearing that, while the Soprano's hiatus is a long and torturous one, that season 3 will be a few episodes longer than seasons past. So fans will be rewarded for their patience..... One more thing! I don't believe Family Guy has been cancelled. I've heard speculation that Fox may bring it back as a replacement show (for summers, sudden timeslot openings, etc.) Again, that last bit is just speculation, but I hope it's true. Yeah, it's cheap comedy, but so what?

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 12:35 p.m. CST

    oops

    by Godai-kun

    That should be 11/5 for the official Simpsons premiere, shouldn't it? Now I feel better.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Dark Angel premiere Oct. 3

    by TheHammer

    Obviously doesn't belong on Herc's list of returning premieres, but I'd hate for anyone to miss the premiere because of the above mistakes.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Death to the family guy

    by Eyegore

    Even though I's often funny, more often it just gets on my nerves. I guess it's silly but I can't stand the talking dog or talking baby. It's not that they talk, it's that it's inconsistent in who can understand them. Do people understand that dog is talking english? What about the baby? Why do they understand the dog and not the baby? Why don't all dogs on the show talk? And sometimes they do understand the baby, but don't get what it's saying. Oh damn, just cancel it already argh!!

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 1:41 p.m. CST

    While it's not new, Babylon 5 starts 9/25 on TNT in never before

    by Baltimore Kid

    I'm looking as forward to this as much as any current series this fall.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Voyager in CAPS?

    by Eyegore

    Damn straight it's in caps! It should be blinking. Voyager remains the best damned sci-fi on TV and it's a pity that this will be it's last season thanks to you lamer anti-trekkies. You might think voyager is bad (and you'd be wrong) but just wait and see how bad trek can get if they go ahead and make this new series around the birth of the federation. That show is going to suck wind at warp speed.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Whoops! B5 starts it's Letterbox series run on *SCI-FI* 9/25

    by Baltimore Kid

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 1:48 p.m. CST

    The Gods Be Praised...Is HBO giving us OZ twice a year?

    by twonkenn

    All praise McManus, down with Adebeise (who can spell that anyway), shit on Schillinger (Beecher did)! Why is HBO (and the possible exception of FOX) the only network that has a fucking clue!? If any network exec's look at this...let it be known...do anything you can to emulate the success of HBO's original programming! Everyone of you stinking bastards thinks that the public wants more of the same crap you've been spoon feeding us for years. Not that you have to show prison rape to be successful, but at least engage the audience in a well thought out storyline! Nuff' said!

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 3:15 p.m. CST

    youre damned right!

    by elryano

    U are, OZ is without a doubt the best hour-long show on televison..the only downside I had this season is that after Shirley was hung, the deathrow parts were not as interesting.. And a coulminst name Chirs Hyatte mentioned just how much the main story had some Shakesphere type feeling to it...great show... one question though, why is Cleopatra highighted...does anyone here really care?

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Thoughts

    by BurninBullwinkle

    First, I still can't believe that Fox was stupid enought to put one genre show against another that they both make, especially when the titles are so similar. Whatever happened to counter-programming? But then Fox hasn't been to bright ever since they became a real network instead of the underdog. (I'm talking about Dark Angel and Angel, by the way for those of you who have been asleep for a while.) Second, I'm glad to see Jack of All Trades is back, though I wish they'd cancel Cleopatra 2525, move Jennifer Sky to JOAT and make it an hour long. Third, Family Guy has not been cancelled. It was not renewed until extremely late, however, and will not start until mid-season. Fox may pull a Felicity/Jack and Jill with it, who knows. The Tick is also scheduled to bow in in January as a replacement.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 4:30 p.m. CST

    "Family Guy" is the funniest show on TV right now.

    by Dave_F

    Yes, it's derivative, yes it often relies on shock humor, and yes, it hasn't an ounce of the depth of "The Simpsons" or "King of the Hill". Still, it's the funniest, pure and simple. Love the fast-paced non sequiturs and utterly bizarre pop-cultural references (Kool-Aid Man, Cavity Creeps, etc.). It's also turned out some great musical parodies in the tradition of "The Simpsons", hopefully enough to warrant a CD soon. I wouldn't expect everyone to like it though, same as I wouldn't expect everyone to like "South Park".

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 4:53 p.m. CST

    I see "Once and Again," but where the fudge is "NOW AND AGAIN?"

    by Miracleman

    Son of a biscuit! "NOW AND AGAIN" was the best drama-action-comedy-mystery-romance show featuring a man who died and who's brain was removed from his dead body and resurrected by being placed in a new genetically super-powered artificial U.S. government-created body on television to date! The season ended with a cliffhanger, so I gots ta know what happens next! Oh, dear Lord in heaven above, I hope that show wasn't cancelled...

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Didja see who's gonna be on Sabrina?

    by holidill

    I like Melissa Joan Hart,and Sabrina was ok for a while but it started to lose something. However, we now know good ol' Punky Brewster will be Sabrina's roomate, and I think one of the chicks from both Clueless the film and the television show(I think it's Amber) is also going to be on. Plus it's going to be on the WB this year with all the other hot chicks, SMG, Katie Holmes, ALyssa Milano, Holly Marie Combs, Charisma Carpenter, Eliza Dushku(sometimes), Kathy Heigel, and more. MMM good be good for all us perverted stalkers out there!!!

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Victory Shall Be Mine

    by DeMoNiCMurray

    Family Guy better come back on. After all the people did to put it back on air. For Heaven's sake it was nominated for an Emmy. I think it's much better then what the Simpsons have come up with lately. They need to get back old writers. Tell me it just hasn't been anounced when they WILL to put it back on.

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Family guy is total garbage, with no value other than giving Kor

    by gary2012

    At least I'm not the only one here who loves reading microscopic comics that require the skills of an archeologist to decipher. Family Guy is absolutely the unfunniest thing on television. It could never even come close to a crap show like Moesha let alone anything like the Simpsons or Futurama. Anyone who can actually apreciate real comedy (i.e. Futurama and the Simpsons) knows that.

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Follow the bouncing ball for a little math lesson... Not underst

    by The Garbage Man

    I was prepared to let a little ignorance go after reading your first post, Eyegore. Maybe you're just neurotic and can't get over the fact that things happen on cartoons that can't happen in real life(imagine that!). But then you have the audacity to not only make an ignorant blanket statement about the demise of Voyager, but to also call it the best sci-fi on TV. The latter is your opinion, but the former is inexcusable stupidity. Guess what? It's Star Trek tradition to end each series after a certain number of seasons (I believe it's 7), as the creators themselves have said many times. Don't blame those of us with taste for this being the last season of Voyager.

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 1:01 a.m. CST

    why cant we all just get along?

    by McKenzieFrenzy

    so there are those who hate it and those who dont, but whatever category you fall into, you have to agree that Star Trek Voyager is at least one hell of a better show than all the "teen fantasies" that are on at the moment, ie, buffy charmed angle ect ect ect. I must point out that I belong to the former, I actually like Voyager. Now I've heard all the arguments to the former, as well as all the reasons that justify its existance, and i have to say i dont agree with either side. I dont like Voyager because it is Star Trek, and i dont think it is fair to dislike it for the same reason, or the notion that it somehow goes against the spirit of "Trek". I like voyager for one reason only (and its not seven), I like it because it consistantly pulls out good storylines and performances from its cast. I'm not a big trekkie, I have never seen a full eppisode of the original series, only a few of DS9, and a handfull of the next generation, and all in all it's fairly decent sci fi, especialy considering the ammount of eppisodes they have made over the years. So I can forgive Voyager their occasional lapse into a repetition of a Next Gen Plot line, I can forgive the somewhat stolid performances from the weaker cast members like Tom Paris and Harry Kim, and i can sit back and enjoy 44 minets of light entertainment with our lost ship in the delta quadrent. Now all i want to know is, who is gonna tape the new eppisodes for me and post them down under?

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Garbage

    by Eyegore

    To me, best sci-fi show is a toss up between farscape and voyager and I have to give it to voyager. I don't believe that crap about tradition. If voyager had much better ratings this wouldn't be the last season. It's a lame excuse. And I knock the anti-trek anti-fanboys because that's all you ever hear from whe it comes to voyager in these talkbacks. Some of us, a great many of us, still love trek and hate to see voyager go.

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 1:41 a.m. CST

    It's not crap, and it's not an excuse

    by The Garbage Man

    7 seasons was the plan from the beginning, for Voyager, for TNG, and for DS9. It's not the last season because of ratings. Voyager and Smackdown have been like the formaldehyde to the stinking corpse that is UPN. Why would they throw away one of their highest rated shows?

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 3:54 a.m. CST

    Family Guy and the jerk-off-a-thon + Blind Date

    by Zybeck

    Family Guy is the Gawd Damned funniest thing on the telly. "I love Jesus I loves him a bunch, cuz he always puts Skippy in my lunch" I almost pissed my own pants over that one! At first I hated the baby, but then grew to love the little bastard. I don't give a shit if anyone understands him...I also loved when CHRIS, (The big fat dumb kid) was jerking off behind the couch during his sisters slumber party. Holy wet dreams that was funny. But, there will always be a place in my heart for Rodger Lodge...God Love Him...I want to see that cheeky fella go on a blind date. God Bless Thee....

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 4:40 a.m. CST

    Camel Toe

    by Darth Satan

    I for one will be watching the last season of Voyeger. I don't know why everyone that reads this web site disses this show it's still more interesting then that Deep Space 9, and occasionally you can spot 7 of 9's camel toe. On another note I sent in a story to AICN. I thought it was something that AICN readers would be interested in, but maybe I'm wrong. Anyway it appears Dr Who will be coming to DVD.

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Add a Year

    by TheBeast

    What does it say about the state of British TV that about 70% of the TV shows that i'm looking forward to this year are on the list this page is based on. I imagine that I'll have to wait about 2 months after the dates on this page to see these show satilite here and over a year to see them thought my tv aerial. (Note to self must convince landlord to let me put a digital satilite dish on house, note 2 must get pay raise to pay for it). Quick note British TV is shit now. All we get are repeats of old shows. New shows recently have been worse than the worse cable tv show you could possibly think of. Hurry up red dwarf....

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Oops... my bad folks

    by Mylow

    Sorry about that Dark Angel post. Totally spaced that he was just listing the returning shows... duh. I also looked at the calendar and realized that my original date of the 9th is wrong as well. In other words... just ignore me. =)

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 7:55 p.m. CST

    People who don't like "Family Guy"

    by Znosaro

    Well... you're just idiots. The season premiere was the funniest television in SOOOO long. It's never quite lived up to it... but, darn it, it's still very funny. But I'm always missing it because they move it around like imbeciles. They need to slip in on sundays so I can my weekly dosage of cartoons. And you're idiots for not liking Stewie. He's the funniest part of that show. Mom- "How about going and playing in the other room, Stewie?" Stewie- "How about burning in hell." Stewie- "Oh, god, pancakes. They're better than sex, mmmm." Stewie" Who's laughing now, broccoli?" Hmm. Oh yeah, the Breakfast Club thing was hilarious. "Wanna know what life's like at the Tiger household? My pops gave me a carton of cigarettes for Christmas, 'They're grrrrrrreat.'" Indeed. Okay. Well. Again. You're all idiots, Family Guy rules.

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 11:16 p.m. CST

    I hate the simpsons

    by THE WALLACE

    AAAAAARG!!! Flanders is revealed to be in his sixtys, Marge becomes a cop for a day, Moe gets plastic surgery, Homer helps Mel Gibson re-write a Movie...with the exception of Homers line "you had me at hello..." in the afformentioned episode Simpsons has turned into absolute Garbage!!! WHAT DEPTH?!?!?! future storylines will include, Nelson is revealed to be Marges once thought aborted baby who was rescued from the garbage can and saved in an incubater (tasteless yes...but this is the show that killed maude for laughs), some really un-interesting storylines with background characters (cuz the show should be called "The Springfieldians" by now), and there will be more hilarious guest appearances from celebs (as themselves of course)than you can shake a stick at!!!! oh lord...that reminds me of the episode where they took care of Baldwin and Bassingers summer home....UGH Aim for my head

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 11:29 p.m. CST

    What about Stargate?!?!

    by enigmainyourhead

    Why does this site ignore that show so totally? It's so damn good, even if it did screw all the film's ideas.

  • Sept. 10, 2000, 6:47 a.m. CST

    OZ! , Family Guy, Voyager, X-Files etc...

    by coop

    I can't I read every post. OZ? Is that a typo? They just finished their season, and it was a GREAT finale. Talk about a holy shit moment in the last scene. I hope it is true, I can't get enough. A little homo erotic, but hey, we're confident in our masculinity enough to watch a little man on man action right guys?... guys? Now on to the Family Guy. Now I have tried over and over to watch this show, it does have promise and some of the shows made me laugh out loud, I even like stewie and the dog, but it's not the funniest thing on tv, not even animated tv. To name a few consitantly better shows, there is: Duckman (reruns), Simpsons, Futurama, Space Ghost and South Park. The only shows on that are less funny are Harold and Margaret and the Critic. As far as Voyager goes, it has been the lamest Trek show so far. The only reason I am gonna watch this season is because it is their last and I am hoping for some big ending season. After Next Generation went off, I was disappointed with DS9 and then when Voyager came on, it made DS9 look like Shakespeare. On to the next topic, the X-Files. I hate to say it, but I am looking forward to this season. I really wanted them to end it before they ruined any chance for a movie franchise but I do wanna know what happens to Mulder. How are they are gonna explain bringing in Robert Patrick, and what is the deal with Scully pregnant (again). Lastly, what is the deal with the Sopranos? why does it take so GODDAMNED long? What are they gonna do about the woman who plays Tony's mother dying in real life? and in the storyline, what about Richie's son and nephew? are they gonna have it in for Tony now that Richie is missing? are they gonna assume Tony did it? I sure as hell would. I'm just glad Dr Melchi (sp?) is back, without those therapy scenes, the first half of the second season seemed to be missing something. Well enough of my rant, I'm off to bed to dream of college girls and lotion, lots of lotion.

  • Sept. 10, 2000, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Eyegore and his ani-trek crap

    by Blok Narpin

    Eyegore, it's fans like you that give Star Trek a bad name. I have been a Trek fan for as long as I can remember. I have seen every Classic Series episode, Have all Eight movies on DVD (except Motion Picture, it's not available yet) and have every episode of Next Generation and DS9 on tape. I HAD every episode of Voyager on tape up until season 5. Then I FINALLY realized that if in it's fifth season it was still a weekly crap-fest then it probobly would be until the bitter end. I stopped watching and have been systematically tAping over all my Voyager tapes with Buffy, The Vampire Slayer and Angel. They are consistantly the two best genre shows on TV. Funny, clever, and well written. Everything Voyager is NOT. Voyager is poorly written, has bad characterization, and it's plots come across as "Next Generation-Lite". BAD. The fact that they frequently have horrendous continuity is just the ultimat insult. It's like they come on TV weekly and give the Trekkies the finger. Of course Fans like you are gonna eat up whatever they give you and like it. Thats the problem. You and too many other don't really watch the CONTENT of the shows. You see the words Star Trek hanging conviently in the title and except it as great TV when in Fact Voyager is no more Star Trek then Cop Rock was. However if they hung the words "Star Trek" over that title you'd probobly praise that show as the best on TV, too. The peaked with DS9. That was the best Star Trek series ever. It's gonna be HARD to top it. They can if they put thier minds to it, but they have to do A LOT better then Voyager (I wouldn't mind a written apology for Voyager either)

  • Sept. 10, 2000, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Voyager haters

    by Eyegore

  • Sept. 10, 2000, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Voyager haters shut your holes

    by Eyegore

    Taping over voyager with buffy and angel about sums it up. That's just pathetic. Anyway, Voyager is the best Trek show since Kirk and I'll take on any of you retards who would hold DS9 over it and STTNG. The reason voyager is the best new series is because it's more in the true spirit of Trek than any other. Listen to the words that Kirk and Picard utter at the beginning of an episode and think about who is really carrying out that mission, `to explore strange new worlds, seek out new life and boldly go where no man/one has gone before'. Kirk did it every week. Janeway does it every week. Picard shuttled diplomats aroud or generally puttered around federation space 9 out of 10 episodes. And Deep space nine was on a freaking space station for crisakes! If they hadn't got the defiant assigned to the station it would have been canceled by season 3. Voyager is Star Trek, and you guys who hate it are morons.

  • If all you saw in ST:TOS was the exploration aspect, you've been way off all along. The beauty of the original was in its fearlessness; its ability to look at political hot topics and ethical questions of the day and not to run away from them but to squarely address them. that series did not dumb itself down to the average viewer; rather, it assumed intelligence on our part and often forced us to think out of the box, and to THINK, period. That is what was so good about ST:DS9. And before you say something stupid, I watch and enjoy ST:VOY. Why? because it is fun in a different way, AS IT SHOULD BE. I think it's campy, with a sexual tension the original could not have pulled off in the 60's. The Delta Quadrant has new aliens so we don't tire of the same old klingons and romulans. However, don't insult our intelligence by making the statement that Janeway et al are explorers in the vein of ST:TOS. Don't forget THEY"RE NOT IN THE DELTA QUADRANT ON PURPOSE!!!

  • Sept. 10, 2000, 6:48 p.m. CST

    EFC and Family Guy....

    by Paul T. Ryan

    Actually, from what I hear the season premiere of Earth Final Conflict airs the week of October 2, and yes Family Guy has been renewed for another 11 eps. But Now And Again has been cancelled....SHIT!

  • Sept. 11, 2000, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Voyager Re: Eyegore

    by coop

    You made a point but it doesn't work. Sure Voyager went back to the idea of exploring the unknown. They had a great idea that should have been great television, but you left out one thing in your little rant, the writing. You commented on TNG and DS9 but they had actual writers that actually expanded the mythology but Voyager just rewrites it. I don't think the "writers" of Voyager had even watched Star Trek before. Come to think of it, I don't think they even checked back on earlier Voyager episodes to keep at least some kind of continuity. I don't care how great a show premise is, if the writers don't give a damn about the show then it's gonna blow. On the other end, if a show has just some basic premise and great writing, it will in turn be great. Some of the best shows on television have taken place on one set. Let's just hope that Paramount and The Star Trek people realize that the writing is important and pull this phoenix out of it's tailspin for it's final season before they lose more of their audience and destroy the whole franchise.

  • Sept. 11, 2000, 1:34 a.m. CST

    voyager episodes

    by Eyegore

    I admit I've seen some badly written episodes...the recent one with barkley and troi and the doctor's creator I think is one of the worst, most predictable and stupid episodes ever, a huge waste of talent. It was actually written by picardo (the doctor). But on the other hand, I've seen some really good stories. Year of Hell still sticks in my mind as the best ever. The one with the planet that went fast though time was another good one, where voyager became part of the native mythology. The hirogen hunter episodes were pretty good too. Anyway, I just like the show a lot and I hate seeing people knock it endlessly on here as if every episode were pure crap. It's not that bad and more often than not it's really good IMHO.

  • Sept. 11, 2000, 8:18 a.m. CST

    oz oz oz oz oz oz oz oz oz

    by Mutant X

    Dammit I do not want to wait untill January for a new season of OZ i want my weekly fix of violence and drug use NOW. Also, I am pissed off that OZ wasn't nominated(as far as I know) for a SINGLE Emmy!!!!! I mean, "The Sopranos" is a kick-ass show, but OZ is a whole hell of a lot better.

  • Sept. 11, 2000, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Ed premiere Oct 8, more dates at Zap2it

    by TheHammer

    A more complete listing or premiere dates at http://tv.zap2it.com/shows/00-01/fall/fall_premieredates_001.html

  • Sept. 11, 2000, 4:09 p.m. CST

    The TICK!! WHERE IS THE TICK!?!?!? (and some Voyager stuff)

    by Crisp One

    Oh, and just to chime on on the whole Star Trek thing... TOS had bad acting, but good writing. And of course at the time it was all new stuff. So, on average, it was a good show. TNG had both good acting (at least from Patrick Stewart. Of course Frakes and Burton are some of the worst actors I've seen) and good writing. Yeah, they weren't doing a whole ton of exploring, but so what? If you just forget about the whole "...to boldly go..." tagline thing, you had a good show. DS9 started out bad, but got much better towards the end, especially during the war with the Dominion. And some of the acting is pretty good too. Sisko isn't bad, and I really enjoy Oto and Quark. As an aside, I've seen Colm Meaney do some good acting, but in DS9 and TNG, he never really gets to act for some reason. Anyway, then you have Voyager. If a show has to resort to bringing in a hot babe to bring up the ratings, what does that say about the show? Once in a while, you see a well written episode, but those are the exception. And the acting. Ugh. Paris doesn't quite suck. Torres doesn't quite suck. The Doctor is actually quite good, and I usually enjoy the episodes that center around his character. But the rest just suck up and down. Take the doctor out and you've got a crew of bad to mediocre actors. I remember when the Borg was saved for special occasions. They were this new, super powerful, very intimidating race that was very difficult at best to deal with. Voyager seems to have forgotten that the more you bring out something that's supposed to be a big deal, the less of a big deal it becomes. They still advertise the episodes dealing with the Borg like...<intimidating music>"And this Wednesday on UPN...you've never seen a Star Trek episode with such tension, such drama, such suspense...Will Voyager be able to defeat... DA BORG!!!!? AAAARGH!!!"</intimidating music> They're all played out like we, the viewers, think this is sure to be a great show, because it seems very likely that everyone's gonna get killed. But we've seen them fight with the Borg for something like 800 times now, and they always figure out a way to win. The thrill is gone, babe. So they've had to resort to letting Janeway get assimilated in order to make us all want to tune in at the beginning of this next season. The CAPTAIN!? ASSIMILATED!??!? Wait a minute...I'm having major deja vu here...either they just changed something in the matrix, or I've seen this happen before...But surely the writers for Voyager aren't so bad that they have to borrow old episodes from other shows. Surely not.

  • Sept. 11, 2000, 7:15 p.m. CST

    26th...oh yes

    by DarkHampton

    Total agreement with Hercules about the best premier dates. Buffy and Angel are enjoyable as heck.

  • Sept. 12, 2000, 9:02 p.m. CST

    TICK is MID-SEASON!

    by DeMoNiCMurray

    For you idoits that haven't heard! Tick is having a mid-season premiere. It won't come out of fox this fall season. So hold on for a few more months.

  • Sept. 13, 2000, 11:02 a.m. CST

    2AM Takeout

    by Clem

    Why on earth would you make such a blanket statement about New York? It's a great city babe, sorry to dissappoint. As far as the White Sox...aint gonna happen...unless the earth splits open and swallows the entire Yankee organization. But seriously, even if the Sox beat the Yanks, there is no way NY Fans will play the deflect the blame game. Its a tough city to play in because if your great, the fans are behind you all the way...but if you suck, they will eat you alive. So go back to Chicago and eat that doughy crap you guys call pizza and get ready to see a Yankee-Mets world series.

  • Sept. 17, 2000, 2:10 a.m. CST

    NOW AND AGAIN HAS BEEN CANCELLED???!!!!

    by baff

    SHIT! i was just getting into it. we just got it here in this wonderful land of Oz. oh well. time to soak myself in olympic coverage and aussie nationalistic pride. it is like mardi gras down here right now!!!!

  • While Eyegore misses the point of ST:Voy critics, his abject lack of grace, unnecessarily high level of hostility, and lack of anything substantive to say makes the point for them. Shows like ST:DS9 and ST:TNG were original shows reaching out to make different points while remaining true to (and perhaps modifying) Roddenberry's original vision. Those shows deserved fans. They weren't always well-written or well-acted, but they were always worth watching because they were sincere, original, and often very humorous. You ended up caring about characters no matter how ridiculous or unmoored in reality or continuity their characters seemed (e.g., Dr. Bashir or LaForge). "Buffy" has some very grating elements (like the "teen speak" that some of the characters on Buffy engage in), but those elements are necessary because IT IS A TEEN SHOW. We adults get to go along for the ride and appreciate it and Angel for the two shows' wit, sophistication, and truly unconventional and unpredictable plot lines. Unfortunately, ST:VOY suffers from none of the elements which made its predecessors and the Buffy/Angel shows so great. It is a dreadful show, and I believe it is an affront to all Trek fans. The fact that some of the actors have recently spoken out against the franchise's lack of quality (e.g., Richard Beltran) says alot. And the character of Chakotay is just one of many examples of why the show is awful: (1) a native american who uses a projector to reach his spirit guides is not much of a native american (there is a fundamental failure to grasp the nature of the "religion" (for lack of a better descriptor)); (2) the whole Maquis angle played out poorly and the fact that the two crews have appeared to meld so seamlessly doesn't ring true (put American and Iraqi troops together in a room, tell them they are no longer combatants, and see how well they work and live together!)(the shows that did address this were VERY porrly written); (3) the Tom Parris character became a model crew member way too fast and easily; (4) the Borg have been too evident, too often, and have appeared to be incompetent boobs on this show (see First Contact and ST:TNG for a good way to use Borg); (5) why does Voyager keep running into some groups (Borg -- understandable, Hirogen -- less understandable) and not others (Kazon). The show stinks, and no amount of hostility against better shows or ST:Voy will change that fact. Note that for all of Eyegore's hostility and bluster, he ends up saying very little of substance to defend ST:Voy.