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AICN EXCLUSIVE!!!ONLINE PREMIERE: The New CROUCHING TIGER, HIDDEN DRAGON Trailer!

Published at: Sept. 7, 2000, 3:46 p.m. CST

Hey folks, Harry here...

I've had the great fortune of seeing my favorite film of the year thus far... CROUCHING TIGER, HIDDEN DRAGON. It has just pushed past GIRL ON THE BRIDGE by gigantic leaps and bounds for me.

I am going to hold off reviewing it for a bit... I have to get my reviews of NURSE BETTY and URBAN LEGEND: FINAL CUT done, as well as my visits to the untitled Coen Brothers set and PEARL HARBOR set all written up first.

However, in brief I can say the following...

The romance in the film is of the sort that makes one's soul sing. The action is the sort that makes you want to live a larger life. Lastly, the magic is the sort that makes you dream of flying, dancing atop water, standing upon bamboo trees a hundred feet high.

Ang Lee has made not only the best Kung Fu film I have ever had the privilege of seeing, BUT... it is a GREAT FILM, period. The drama, emotion, acting and action are all at absolute peak levels.

It is now... my great privilege to offer you good folks the first look anywhere at the brand new trailer for CROUCHING TIGER, HIDDEN DRAGON.

You have never seen martial arts this grand, ever. Beautifully photographed, adrenaline pulsing and vibrant... This is as beautiful a presentation of this trailer as the net allows.

Once again, it is AICN's pleasure to show you just a little bit more of the film the entire country SHOULD be abuzz for. We gripe about action films not having stories or soul or acting or poignancy... Well, here's the film for you. IT IS THE ENTIRE BAKED POTATO WITH ALL THE WORKS... Eat...

CLICK HERE!!!
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P.S.: Huge thanks to Sony Pictures Classics, Apple's QuickTime Trailer team, Magic Lantern PR, Ad2, Robogeek and webmaster Dave for making this happen.

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  • Sept. 7, 2000, 3:59 p.m. CST

    First Kick Ass Kung Fu flick

    by Agathon

    And First to post about it. This is one helluva trailer and I cant wait to see it...

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 4:01 p.m. CST

    DEAR LORD!!!

    by Mr. Sartre

    Wow. If there's one movie I can't wait to see, it is "Crouching Tiger and Hidden Dragon" (though "Snatch" and "Requiem for a Dream" are up there too). After all the good press "Crouching..." has gotten via the internet and Cannes, I've been anticipating this movie for awhile. The new trailer has just made me giddy like a school girl and more anxious. Such beautiful wirework and (from what is seen on the trailer) beautiful choreography. "I can't wait until December" shall be my new battle cry in the months to come. Take care, all.

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 4:04 p.m. CST

    It's about time!

    by Solomon Kane

    Ang Lee Rules!

  • So, I'm not first. But I get that urge to say I am sometimes. Anyway, I don't wanna start talking about Harry being a sell-out... so I won't. I didn't click on any stories relating to this movie until recently, dismissing it as a stupid genre flick. But... well, this looks good. And if it's not, I'm asking Harry for 8 dollars back.

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Best Kung Fu movie Ever?

    by Solomon Kane

    That's a bold statement, my friend!

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Everyone wants to be the killer

    by Adam12

    Chow is rad

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 4:14 p.m. CST

    HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!!

    by John Bigboote

    That... is... one... of... the... coolest... things... I've... ever... seen. I'm just going to keep it playing over and over and over. I can hardly believe something so incredible even exists. But we have to wait until Christmas? AGONY!!!

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by PKD

    um. wow. I hope I can get tics to see this on Monday at the Toronto Film Fest.

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 4:20 p.m. CST

    acidjesus - you obviously don't understand the point

    by PKD

    A trailer is intended to create a buzz about a film. THis is not even the trailer, but the teaser. So, what do you think Sony's motivation was here 1) show that even though this is an Ang Lee film, it has kickass king fu 2) tell the AMERICAN audience who they would know is in it. THis is an exercise in commercialism, accept it for what it is.

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 4:23 p.m. CST

    looking forward to this

    by abcdefz

    I love it when the best film of the year comes out of left field, catching us by surprise. You're expecting the Coens, Soderbergh, maybe even Redford to come up with something great, so the surprise element isn't really there. Perhaps a matter of gratitude or taking things for granted. Of course Ang Lee has talent, but I didn't even know this baby was in production. Hope it lives up to its hype...

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 4:56 p.m. CST

    OK, so Harry's hyping way too much, but he just might be right:

    by Lance Rock

    But still, it's gonna take a lot for it to beat out Drunken Master 2 in my heart as the best kung fu movie of all time. Harry, don't oversell this pic!

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Smalls is right

    by Obi-Dan

    Drunken Master 2 is the best kung-fu movie ever, and I don't know if this will be a better kung-fu movie. However, from the looks of this trailer, and the ones at crouchingtiger.com (which, if you haven't checked out yet go over to that site immediately) CTHD looks like it could be THE BEST MOVIE EVER!!!!! Period. I just hope I'm not hyping it up too much.

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Snake in the Eagle's Shadow v. Drunken Master 2 (ala Acidjesus'

    by Mr. Sartre

    The movie that began to make Jackie Chan a star versus the movie that asserts his incredible talents. Which one is better? I'm for "Druken Master 2" and here's why. "Snake in the Eagle's Shadow" was great, btw, so don't think I'm knocking one of the better efforts of 70's kung-fu. Even though "Snake..." sets precedent for Jackie Chan movies to come, "Druken Master 2" is far more intricate with its choreography and is, in my opinion, the best Jackie Chan movie ever. One needs only to look at the last fight scenes (vs. the chain weilding man, vs. the pipe wielding workers, vs. kickin' kenny lo and co., then vs. lo when drunk) to realize the intense beauty and artistry Chan puts into his fight scenes. The movements are not always agressive. Many are ballet-like, break-dancing-like, and are extremely elegant to behold. Additionally, I'll boldly assert that there's not a fight scene in "Snake..." that will match the comedic and elegant town square fight or the just plain incredible hatchet gang fight with bamboo. But that's just my opinion. Take care, everyone. (on the note of Jackie Chan, this does anyone have any word on his latest chinese flick? I think it's called "The Spy".)

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 6:27 p.m. CST

    BIG DEAL

    by Outkaxt

    Big friggin deal. You boys that haven't seen kung-fu. Period.

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 7:12 p.m. CST

    CTHD DVD 4 sale here

    by CrouchingTran

    I have CTHD region 2 DVD fresh from HK if anyone is interested in buying it. You can watch it on your PC if you don't have a region 2 player. Personally didn't care too much for the movie. I live in LA or email me if you're interested. davidtran16@yahoo.com

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Does anyone know when we can See this trailer in the theatres an

    by GEEKBASHER 3.0

    Just curious, I would like to see this on the big screen!

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Peter Pau a GOD among D.O.P.'s

    by Wee Willie

    I've had the pleasure of being a P.A. on two films where Mr.Peter Pau was the Director of Photography. Just this past spring while I was giving Mr. Pau a ride to his hotel, he told me that Crouching Tiger will have the BEST martial arts he's ever had the pleasure to shoot. (And he's shot for John Woo). I am looking forward to this film more than I did Phantom meanace. The trailer looks AMAZING. He also said that Ang LEee is going to show some hidden talents in this film. I cannot wait.

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Acidjesus

    by Wee Willie

    I mean action. Sorry, my excitement got the best of me. I meant action, (some of the best ACTION) not martial arts. Thank god for all the fanboy fact checkers out there.

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 8:40 p.m. CST

    THIS IS A VERY GOOD FILM.

    by gsolo

    I saw a press screening. Don't know if it was the final cut. It is a very cool movie. It is beautifully shot. The story is strong in a classic and simple way. The action is pretty amazing. Nice and lengthy so you have time to get into the incredible choreography. If you want to see some talented women REALLY ROCK unbelievably, see this film. Also, Ang Lee is a great director. The Ice Storm...what else can you say. Go and bring your friends. Nice on the big screen.

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Dubbed?

    by Hakeem

    Do the actors not speak English in CTHD? I know it's kung-fu, but it's also a Sony picture (with a nice budget)...i'll be surprised if it's not in English. Just wondering, because i downloaded another trailer from www.crouchingtiger.com and the dialogue wasn't Enligsh.

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Wire Fu as Best Martial Arts Movie?

    by Darth Mannis

    I'm sorry. I can't take wire fu seriously. I mean, if this were a fantasy movie with supernatural jumps and leaps okay, but this trailer comes across as a serious story. This movie will do worse at the box office than the Highlander movie.

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Hey Harry, did you watched the dubbed or the subbed version???

    by zalasta

    BTW, is CTHD still limited release???

  • Sept. 7, 2000, 11:13 p.m. CST

    I saw this trailer over the weekend.

    by Cereal Killer

    It was in front of "The Tao of Steve" (which was excellent). I hadn't heard that much about Crouching Tiger and had dismissed it as just another kung fu flick but the trailer was beautiful. I'm not really into wire fu and I hope the abundance of it in this film won't detract from my enjoyment of it. The film looked incredible and epic in the way I wish "Phantom Menace" would've been and could've been in the hands of a master director like Ang Lee. Lucas should pull Lee aside sometime and ask him for lessons in how to direct a film.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Before you call this the Greatist Kung fu flick ever...

    by csk360

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Before you call this the Greatist Kung fu flick ever...

    by csk360

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Full on Ninja chubby!

    by Ninja Nerd

    This looks too cool! Boot to the head!

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Before you call this the Greatist Kung fu flick ever...

    by csk360

    Go and try and find "THE BLADE" by Tsui Hark. It's apsolutely incredable and one of the best filme he's ever made(It even made me fogive him for Knockoff cause no one-not even GOD!-could make a VanDam flick without it sucking DonkeyBalls.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 1:13 a.m. CST

    CTHD better than DM2?

    by sinople

    I caught CTHD and liked it quite a bit. Personally, I've been more jazzed for the next Milkyway movie, Time And Tide, The Legend Of The Scared Stone, The Iron Ladies, and In The Mood For Love. If you want to see some cool horror movies and already have seen The Ring and sequels, check out the Thai Scream type flick/ Dario Arengto thriller, 303 Fear Faith and Revenge. I'm surprised there hasn't been a feature on this really cool horror flick.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 1:55 a.m. CST

    It doesnt look that hot to me....

    by Fernwick

    I dont know but why is everyone so impressed with wirework? So it looked good in The Matrix, the reason it looked good is because it made sense that they can defy the laws of gravity.... even in DM II it looked alright since it was mostly used to show how powerfull someones kick or punch was....but walking on water and trees? That just looks plain stupid to me...Harry...if you think this movie beats out DM II your smokin crack....so get your head of of whoevers ass its in and be real...jeez you would think that after he says THIS IS GREATEST MOVIE I HAVE EVER SEEN for the 1,000th time that people would start to go...." yeah yeah Harry...shut up. " Fernwick

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 1:56 a.m. CST

    What is Michelle doing next???

    by jmachinder

    I know she's got "The Touch" which she's working on in HK, but what's up stateside? Anyone? Bueller?

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 1:59 a.m. CST

    "RThis

    by oh-Dawg

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 2:22 a.m. CST

    DM2 vs CTHD

    by pinoy

    DM2 vs CTHD.. For one thing, being a Jackie Chan fan and a kung fu film fan, I have to say that DM2 is the greatest action/KUNG FU film ever made period and nothing from the past or in the future can beat it. I haven't seen CTHD, but I'll probably see it when it come down under, but it'll have to be something unbellievable special to beat DM2.. But lets not compare DM2 and CTHD for they are very different films. One is fake and the other real. DM2 needed greatness for that film to be great and Jackie provided it while CTHD, you can wire up a monkey and it can do the same job.. There's nothing special about the films action. As you can probably see, is that I don't think that any wire-fu type of film is anything special, while with DM2, talent is needed to come up with action and kung fu like that.. my 2 cents pinoy

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Mandarin

    by Eliane

    To those of you wondering what language is spoken in 'Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon,' it's Mandarin. There was an article in 'Time Asia' a few months ago which said that Ang Lee strove very hard to arrive at some linguistic veracity in the film. Therefore, he had his actors (who come from all parts of the Chinese-speaking world) work hard to acquire a proper PRC accent, which until then only Zhang Ziyi had. Chow Yun-fat apparently had a bit of trouble getting his... From what I've heard Lee succeeded in getting his actors up to scratch linguistically; the Mandarin spoken in the film is said to be beautiful!

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 4:26 a.m. CST

    weird lookin'...

    by Scott Ridley

    I hope there is some plausiable explination for the X-MEN like abalities shown in this trailer because at the moment it looks like a spoof actioner; a chinese 'Hot Shots part deux' if you will.Loved everything else Lee has done so I hoping for the best.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Shoalin Temple Strikes Back

    by Filmster

    That has the best Kung Fu I have ever seen. Go watch it. It stars the actual 'Ghost Faced Killer'.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 4:31 a.m. CST

    no big deal for asians

    by fargo30

    I can see that the fascination with this film is due to a lack of understanding of asian culture. Both the love story and the martial arts are really no big deal. It is not a revolution, we read stories like this one in our history/ sociology text books growing up.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Come on...

    by Mr_Sinister

    ...the trailer isn't THAT fantastic. Ok, the movie does LOOK nice, but the way some people are going on about it... Just be careful you don't hype this up too much. Oh wait, I forgot, that happens with alot of movies on this site. I'm sure the movie is great and I will be seeing it, but STILL...

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 7:16 a.m. CST

    I have the latest version of Quicktime, so why the hell can't I

    by Stone Cold

    I keep getting an error saying that I do not have the viewer available, but I do have Quicktime. What the hell is up?

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Looks Crappy to Me

    by drwatson

    The action looks pretty crappy to me. The placement of the strings is obvious, the movements don't seem to be caused by the characters limbs. It looks like those old Japanese shows (like Monkey), which were entertaining, though not great action pieces. I won't form a final opinion until I see the film, but this trailer definitely doesn't do much for me. Just my two cents.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Please, please...NO WIRES!!! Geez...

    by Brannigan!

    Does anyone else get bothered by this? I mean, Jet Li, of ALL people, doesn't need wires to show off! And yet, every damn movie of his uses them (although Fist Of Legend uses them very sparingly). Come on! I don't see any fakey Jackie Chan stuff--'cause he just jumps off buildings, period!! Nick Gillard has the right idea: air ramps. Looks natural enough. Jeez...

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 9:11 a.m. CST

    C'mon people....

    by MADAfigure

    ...use your damn imagination! It's a fantasty / kung-fu / romance movie. I've got this movie too and I love watching it over and over again. It is so good. Ang Lee is a BAAAAAD man. I'm hoping it will do ok in the theatres, if it's not due to limited release. I also hope that people won't come out of the theatres saying, "Oh that was stupid! What's with all the flying?!" Screw them. They have no imagination...

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 9:31 a.m. CST

    *jaw drop*

    by deadkennedy

    ...suddenly the matrix just doens't cut it for this kind of fighting. I'll be in line opening day for this one.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Mr Lee

    by J.Utah

    I saw CTHD in Cannes. The ONE film I had to see. It blew me away. It will blow you away. Get ready.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Download Trailers

    by Straycat

    Anyone know how to download QT trailers when they're embedded on an HTML page the way they are at quicktime.com??

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Chow! Yow!

    by bthomas

    AND a cello solo by YO YO MA!!! Get in line, kids!

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Mandarin Accents Were Comical

    by 855K Scoville

    I enjoyed this movie quite a bit. However, the actors' accents provided unintended comedy that any Mandarin-speaking viewer would notice. (Sorry, Eliane and 'Time Asia'.) Michelle Yeoh had an **extremely** heavy Malaysian accent, which is an island accent that is a hodge-podge of other Chinese (and even non-Chinese?) accents. Maybe her accent can be analogized to a Hawaiian or Creole accent for English. (I'm no linguistic expert.) In any event, her accent seemed distractingly out-of-place, and perhaps out-of-time, for her character. (Did the Malaysian accent even exist during the historical times in which the movie was set?) Her accent was particularly distracting because she had so many lines. The other funny accent was the young horseman's. He had a noticeable "Taiwanese" accent. His character was supposed to be from the exact opposite part of China (the West or Northwest or so, I forget.) To me, for such a character to have his accent would be like giving a the Outlaw Josey Wales a Bronx accent. The first time this guy opened his mouth, some people chuckled in the audience. Chow Yunfat's accent was noticeable, but not as distracting as Michelle Yeoh's because he didn't speak all that many lines. -- 855K

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 12:58 p.m. CST

    This is supposed to be good ?! Well, slap my arse and call me a

    by HowitzerJim

    You have got to be kidding me ! That's the sillest trailer I've ever seen ! Jesus, if Harry praised Highlander 4 to the high hills, most of you sheep (I said most, alright ?!) would rush out, sit through two hours of dross, and instead of making your own mind up, would exit the theatre thinking you'd just seen the film of the year ! Harry had me excited with his gushing over this too, the best thing I can say about the advert is, it's given me a damn good laugh. This kind of silly SPX/kung fu nonsense is a disservice to legends like Bruce Lee, who kept it real, if this is the future of kung fu movies then we might as well go the whole hog and have Godzilla Vs Drunken Master !

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 1:18 p.m. CST

    In fact, I was being too nice there.....

    by HowitzerJim

    I've just wasted more time watching the advert, and all I can say is, Harry is being paid by Sony Picture Classics, and anybody who agreed with him is a jabroni !!!!!!!!!!! I am not saying the film will be crap, because I haven't seen it, but that advert is the silliest piece of tat to come along in ages....

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 1:30 p.m. CST

    CTHD is a Superhero movie.

    by human2

    Jim, you and others who dis wire-fu for being unrealistic are idiots. Realism isn't the point. Someone said that "The Matrix" established a premise for the wire work. Well, the CTHD has an established premise too. The movie is based in a genre known as 'wuxia' (wu sha), which stipulates the existence of superpowers, including flying, walking on water, and so on. It's EXACTLY THE SAME as superpowers in the X-MEN or SUPERMAN. Why does Cyclops shoot red beams from his eyes? Why does Superman fly? The explanation about him being from a red sun? There's no physical basis for that. It's just his ability. It's an axiom. Accept it. Likewise, if you understand that the characters in CTHD have superpowers, the wire work comes naturally. CTHD is a superhero story, set in China of many years ago, except instead of turning into flame or shooting lasers from their eyes, the heroes do kung-fu really really well. Finally, I'd have to say that I agree that Sony should NOT be advertising this as a pure kung-fu movie. This would turn a lot of people off that might otherwise enjoy the sort of epic romance that is supposed to be in this film (I haven't seen it yet).

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Ummm... there's more to kungfu than JC or Jet Li

    by Ulysses

    First, gotta say that yeah--this hype is ridiculous. I love this site, but I kinda expected Harry to mature a little. Harry's rants are sounding more like the stuff you find in high school newspapers. Moving on, all this talk about Jet Li and wires is silly. I mean, come on, Jet Li could never pull off moves WITHOUT wires like Yuen Biao or even Sammo Hung. Jet Li was trained in martial arts. Biao and Hung were trained in martial arts. Hung is renowned. But they (and Jackie Chan) were trained first and foremost in the art of Peking Opera. Yuen Biao especially has performed moves without wires that Jet Li could never perform. This doesnt make either one a better or worse actor. Their training was completely different. As far as great HK kungfu flicks, damn, where's "The Prodigal Son" in this discussion? It might not be slick, but it's a great flick nonetheless. It doesn't have all the polish and intricate choreography of DM2, but it has an intricate story, which DM2 kinda lacks. And how about Yuen Biao in "Knockabout." It's more acrobatics than kungfu, but most people here seem to think that doing crazy moves with wires is kungfu, which it aint! So if you like HK wirework, I'd recommend that you check out some classic Yuen Biao films. Not everyone in HK cinema believes in using wires. Biao himself has said in interviews that he doesn't like movies with a lot of wire work. It doesnt look real, he said. Not surprising he'd say that. After all, his moves look real (and really awesome) because they are real and generally 100%unadulerated pure human performances.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the celluloid snack Harry...

    by darthexcelsior

    ...but (again with the conditionals!) I have to ask: why is Jet Li in another one of those meandering, borderline art-house unbearable character-driven movies again? You would think that the guy would try something more...I dunno...escapist and action-oriented every once in a while. Stretch a little, ya know...Like when I saw him in Mel Gibson's meditation on the human condition, Lethal Weapon 5 (or 4 or 6 or, uhh...which one was it?) it was non-stop emoting! Just kick ass for a change. I tell ya what, you can take Harvey Keitel, put him in this film, drop Li into "The Piano" or "Taxi Driver" and no one will be the wiser! Chow Young Fat did "Anna and the King," and HE pulled off the action hero thing there, as opposed to the borefest that was Hard Boiled. Oh well, I guess we can't have everything...but one thing I would like, would actually pay money for is to see Harry on fanAtic. From either perspective. Whatdya say, kids? Email Carson D. today! Threaten Kurt Loder! Get Serena Altchul real good and drunk...okay, have a weekend to try to remember or forget. Just make sure you're holding your head by Monday morning, wondering what happened...

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Toby is the king of the GEEKS. All of them.

    by Zap Head

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 4:33 p.m. CST

    About downloading trailers...

    by TheFalconer

    I know someone asked about how to download a trailer when it's embedded in the HTML of the page. Here's how: just wait for it to finish downloading (i.e. the entire trailer is viewable in the web page), then go to your Windows directory and find the directory named "Temporary Internet Files." In that directory you should find the trailer as Crouchingblah.mov or whatever, it'll be fairly obvious. Just drag and drop that file to another directory of your choice, and bingo, you now own the trailer on your HD. This method works for any trailer embedded in a webpage. Incidentally, I use Windows 98, so I'm not sure how this works out with other OS's, shouldn't be too different. Just a quick comment about wirework: whoever referred to imagination was right on. Wirework takes a fight which would ordinarily be amazing, and makes it downright spectacular (if you just take it in and realize that the fight is staged entertainment). The thing about these fights is that you're already witnessing a dazzling array of moves (that AREN'T realistic, that's the point of choreography), the wirework just adds a new dimension.

  • Sept. 8, 2000, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Can't trust Harry on love stories

    by 855K Scoville

    He's the guy who raved about Eyes Wide Shut. (Okay, I don't know if Eyes Wide Shut was a love story or not...) Anyhow, CTHD is a lot of fun, and is beautiful to look at, and Zhang Ziyi's young-woman character was great. However, the love story between Michelle Yeoh and Chow Yunfat was quite ordinary, much like any number of love stories you might find in Chinese-language historical pulp fiction or TV soap operas. The flashback love story involving the younger Zhang Ziyi is 100 percent Hollywood cliche. Boring. CTHD is a good movie, but not a good love story.

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Better Than "Iron Monkey?"

    by Kartre

    ...which IMHO is the best kung fu movie ever? Certainly has the pedigree. I have yet to dislike an Ang Lee film, including the relatively unknown "Pushing Hands" and the relatively unseen "Ride with the Devil." His films have been consistently lush, emotional, and enjoyable. Chow-Yun Fat is always a joy, and Michelle Yeoh has proven she can kick infinite ass. But the biggest draw is action choreographer Yuen Wo Ping. Not only did he do "The Matrix," but he was also responsible for the "Iron Monkey" insanity. I can't wait.

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 2:04 a.m. CST

    wire work

    by kig

    What is wrong with the people who bitch about HK movies that use wire work. The fact that you consider it wire work is preventing you from enjoying the movie. You don't go "hey that guy is defying the law of gravity. That ain't right, acording to Newton's law of..." when you watch Superman. Please, just accept that when you watch HK fantasy movies, there will be people flying around and doing fantastically imposible sword play, thats just how it is. Want another example?? you don't go "WTF, that guy is shooting laser out of his eye (X-men).... thats impossible." Well i hope all this makes sense.. i'm just getting damn tire of people bitching about wire work...... good day.

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 2:15 a.m. CST

    gotta hand it to our not so benevolent fat man

    by kojiro

    he was lagging behind most other sites coopwise around here for a while but he sure has done well there the last couple of days

  • ...if you're reffering to the Yuen Woo Ping directed, climactic battle taking place on flaming posts Iron Monkey...how much crack do you smoke and where can I get some.

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 8:01 a.m. CST

    A last word on wires? Please?

    by Andy Travis

    Yeah, I understand the whole "chinese drama/superhuman fantasy stuff". Yeah, it makes sense to a point. Yeah, it's cultural. BUT, and this is purely my taste here, I prefer to watch kung-fu movies to appreciate the NATURAL abilities of a Jet Li, Yuen Baio, Jackie Chan, etc., etc. These are guys that have pushed themselves by incredible lengths, and I just wish there were more films that showcased that.

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 3:12 p.m. CST

    wire work vs the 'natural stuff'

    by kig

    I guess it comes down to a matter of personal preference. As for me i like both. I do not find the sword play as being cheesy. I love seeing people doing cool looking fights and i have immense respect for people like Jackie Chang. Personally I'd like to see Jackie Chang using wire once and a while on his dangerous stunts. It would be a shame to have him fall flat on concrete and kill himself just cause he doesn't like to have wire for safety.

  • Sept. 10, 2000, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Wire-Fu

    by Jadeh

    Having watched my share of Kung Fu Action Theater, and apparently understanding that there were movies before Matrix, the wires are just an extension of this kind of movie. Matrix was an American made Kung Fu epic, with some flashier effects and a larger budget. That said, it's kind of ignorant (not stupid, just uninformed) to say CTHD stole took it's effects from a movie that actually took them from CTHD's predessors. The wire-fu in Romeo must Die was pointless and annoying, as it is in Charlie's Angels. It should stay in movies where preturnatural or supernatural abilities are featured... not in movies bound by the thought of real world physics.

  • Sept. 11, 2000, 10:52 p.m. CST

    I live in a tunnel!

    by eyeknow

    C'mon! I know it has been said already but, CTHD is a fantasy. It's based on an ancient story. It's fairy tale! Remember Legend? We all thought it was dope back in the day. We didn't say it sucked because Unicorns aren't real! If somebody made a great movie about Paul Bunyan(sp.) would we say it blew because big blue oxen don't exist?!?! (well, ok, bad example), but you get my point. If people see this movie and say it sucks because of the wire work, they deserve to stay forever trapped in the sad little tunnels of their pathetic existence. Wake up and enjoy life! ... And JavaDevil... SHO'NUFF! I'm with you all the way brotha'!!! p.s. if you people insist on posting messages all around the net, try to learn how to spell. You look like morons. ( Cripes, I hope I spelled everything correctly. Can I get a spell check?!?!?!)

  • Sept. 11, 2000, 10:57 p.m. CST

    DAMN!

    by eyeknow

    Sure as shit! Now I look like a moron too. If you find my grammatical error I'll give you a prize! (closer to a rash than money or something)

  • Sept. 12, 2000, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Enough with trashing wire-fu

    by Dar2000

    People still can't get over the fact that there's a fantasy side to kung-fu. Many people don't realize that there are FANTASY NOVELS in Asia. Much like the famous Lord of the Rings Series. For those who think the fight scenes in CTHD looks cheesy then fantasy-kung-fu is obviously not your taste. You just have to remember the fact that CTHD took the #1 position on ALMOST EVERY MAJOR CITY in Asia. Many Asians grew up watching these type of so called *silly stuff* I should know. I grew up watching these fantasy movies. Their influence is HUGE in Asia. You don't have to be Chinese to love them because I am not a chinese and I don't speak Chinese either. I just grew up watching them. Many were dubbed in different languages and shown on many different countries. Also Ang Lee created this movie to fulfil his childhood desire. Obviously he grew up reading these fantasy novels and his intent was to satisfy the general Asian audiences. So if you don't like Wire-fu STOP SHITTING ABOUT it. Think LOTR. I don't go around talking crap about how stupid that there's a wizard who just mutter some words and an explosion happens and there's no explanation. Think about Knights of the Round Table. It's the same thing. Oh and to the guys above. I have lots of Chinese and Thai friends who DISLIKE Fantasy-kung-Fu. You're not alone. But at least my friends respect the fact that I enjoy it and they don't Trash it. I don't like alot of things they like too. Yeah u're insulting us wire-fu fans by calling it stupid. About Comparing Drunken Master 2 to CTHD. I don't agree. You could compare Drunken Master to Bruce Lee's movies or to movies like Fist of Legend. CTHD is not a down to earth kung fu. Seems to me alot of people who post here haven't seen the old wire fu movies. If you want to find some movies to compare CTHD then look up BRIDE WITH WHITE HAIR, Look up FIRE DRAGON, Look up SWORDMAN 2. or look up those old Shaw Brothers flicks the fantasy oriented ones that is. Now looking at my past experience with those old wire fu movies and looking at the trailer of CTHD. It sure looks amazing. It sure looks much better. Of course it had a much bigger budget too lol. I can't wait to see it. That's enough from me. Later <-Dar->

  • Sept. 12, 2000, 6:31 p.m. CST

    KARATE KID was the greatest m.a. movie

    by 855K Scoville

    Mr. Miyagi kicks Bruce Lee's, Jet Li's, and Ang Lee's asses.

  • Sept. 12, 2000, 9:01 p.m. CST

    HOLY SHIT!

    by Ally_Kat

    Oh man, I'm in line first day, fir matinee.

  • Sept. 13, 2000, 7:53 p.m. CST

    OH MY...

    by SithScorp

    I think I need to change my shorts. I'm spent...

  • Sept. 13, 2000, 9:52 p.m. CST

    already

    by kojiro

  • Sept. 13, 2000, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Trailer is so-so

    by Twix

    I don't see what is so great about the trailer. The kung fu seems sort of generic to me. Why only the generic Chinese martial arts flicks are shown to American audience is beyond me when there are alot of truly great ones out there. The CTHD trailer didn't impress me at all. The action lacked intensity and just felt very bland. I guess "generic and bland" is how mainsteram US audience prefers their action. Maybe the movie will be better. For some truly astounding martial arts action see Storm Riders, Tiger Cage 2, to name a few. Or just go see ANYTHING put out by the legendary Shaw Brothers studios (the "Hollywood of the East") Too bad US audience never get to see anything by Shaw Bros, the greatest Eastern movie studio of all time. http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/westside/70/shaws2.htm

  • Sept. 14, 2000, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Wires are Boring

    by cyt

    C'mon, let's see what Jet Li can do in real life. In his wire movies there is nothing that indicates the movie is a fantasy or that he is endowed with super powers, unlike Superman (hence the name) or Star Wars where the characters have the force, or in the Matrix where anything can happen and people are not bound by laws of physics. If superhuman powers are part of the movie then the writers should have it in the script.

  • Sept. 14, 2000, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Wires are Boring

    by cyt

    C'mon, let's see what Jet Li can do in real life. In his wire movies there is nothing that indicates the movie is a fantasy or that he is endowed with super powers, unlike Superman (hence the name) or Star Wars where the characters have the force, or in the Matrix where anything can happen and people are not bound by laws of physics. If superhuman powers are part of the movie then the writers should have it in the script.

  • Sept. 14, 2000, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Whoa....I know Kung-Fu !!

    by John Bigbooty

    I think Hong Kong Fu-ey looked more relistic but I ain't whinin'... if it's even half assed good I'll be there.

  • Sept. 14, 2000, 8:24 p.m. CST

    wow!!!

    by cmagnet

    but it will take alot to have a lasting effect on me the way fist of legend did.

  • Sept. 15, 2000, 11:53 p.m. CST

    HEY JavaDevil,ZeroCorpse, please shut the f*ck up!

    by ICE747

    and to all you non fan of asian fantasy wire fu kung fu and who hasn't seen the movie yet, please shut the f*ck up! I saw the movie and I'd considered this as one of the best kungfu movie out there. It might not have the best fight scene but it's up there with the best. Remember, these are actors, not kung fu artists who are playing the role and they did an exceptional job. The actions of the movie could've rocked if Jet Li and other real martial artists were playing the roll but i don't think they could've play a convincing roll in acting. The only disappointing about this movie is Chow Fat not of his acting ability but his martial artist roll. He's very graceless who didn't convince me he's a SIFU and wirefu look really bad on him. I bought Iron Monkey on VCD and even though it got a bad story but I think it's the best FANTASY martial art out there especially the fight scenes using wire fu. The only disappointment is the bad editing on fast forwarding of the fight scenes. SO if you looking for a good fantasy martial art movie, good acting, good directing, good story and a few great wire fu king fu, then CTHD won't disappoint you. Go in with an open mind.

  • Sept. 16, 2000, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Storm riders?

    by boomzilla8

    about to order the DVD of SR... for those who have seen both how does it compare?

  • Sept. 16, 2000, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Storm Riders: Not a martial arts film

    by Wesley Snipes

    Stormriders is a big special effects extravaganza filled with moments of awe-inspiring godly coolness. This is mainly due to the director, Andrew Lau, whose visuals and ideas sometimes produce damn incredible moments. The DVD looks fantastic and the film looks like a Hollywood production in terms of production value and film stock, though the effects quality is closer to Mortal Kombat than Starship Troopers. However, there is almost NO martial arts in this film. It's about the energy bolts and other special effects. Even for the few fights with no special effects, the action takes a back seat to the director's visual tricks. I don't miss the martial arts when watching Stormriders because the crazy effects battles seems right for this film. It's an exercise in style and it is stunning. However, if you go into it expecting Sonny Chiba to rock the house with his karate skills, then you will be severely disappointed.

  • Sept. 16, 2000, 7:57 p.m. CST

    about stormrider DVD and others

    by Dar2000

    I can tell you that Stomrider DVD F*cking amazing. One of the best that ever came out of HK. As for the story, it is inferior to CTHD. Like someone mentioned above, Stormrider is more like Mortal Kombat (lots of FX) while CTHD is more real on the fighting aspect and the story is much better. Personally I think Stormrider is more of a hardcore fantasy flick, Heavily based on Swords and *Inner Power* It falls in the same category with Swordsman2 and Bride with White Hair while CTHD is more like Wong Fei Hung, Iron Monkey (good story and good fight). As for me I like both the same cause I like FX stuff which balances out the story and Kung fu of CTHD :) Out of topic but I heard Stormrider budget was 10 million US dollars? That's a pretty f*ucking piece of amazing work for 10 mil. I told my friends that (all of them loved SR) and they said no f*ucking way. What do you guys think?

  • Sept. 16, 2000, 9:35 p.m. CST

    saw crouching tiger, hidden dragon and tiff

    by shaz_82

    listen guys who ever you are... base whatever you want on the trailer i saw crouching tiger hidden dragon at the toronto film festival and it is one of the best movies ever...definately the best this year so far... the stunts and story... the best choreography EVER...(the guy from the matrix, which i fell asleep during) it will definately redefine martial arts movies in hollywood... newcomer zhiang ziyi steals the show from an unbelievably imressive chow yun fat and one hell of a performance from michelle yeoh (those two did their dialogue in a whole new language) christmas 2000... honestly...it was THAT good.. i just hope the choreographer is not busy during sw: episode 3.....

  • Sept. 17, 2000, 6:28 p.m. CST

    CTHD hype

    by King Hu

    I saw CTHD in Hong Kong in August and the movie is awesome. Whether or not it'll blow you away depends on what you look for in a kung fu movie. This movie focuses on a story and character development. It is an ART film so don't expect Jackie Chan-type fun, but don't expect the boredom of Wong Kar-Wai's "Ashes of Time" either. As for wire work, I'm not a big fan of it either, but it works well here because it's choreographed by Yuen Wo Ping. Most of the extreme wire-work movies that people think of are the ones made choreographed by Ching Siu-Tung (Swordsman, Bride with White Hair) where there is no kung fu to speak of -- just slicing and dicing.

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 11:22 a.m. CST

    who wants to see the movie?

    by kidcrush

    You want to see CTHD? Here are a few simple steps to get your own copy of one of the most beautifully shot action films .. 1. Get a Chinese speaking friend. (this will be the key to getting the film) 2. Find a local Chinese grocery store/ Video store. (Every large city has a Chinatown type area...just look!) 3. Attempt to ask the counter person for a copy of "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" and watch as he/she does not understand what the hell your English speaking ass just said. 4. Have your Chinese speaking friend ask for it in it's correct name and watch the counter person understand. 5. Expect to pay about 10 dollars for either a VCD or VHS of a cam-shot of the film with washed out subtitles..but decent video quality. 6. Enjoy! 7. Also it is good to watch the film with someone that speaks Chinese. You will realize how the English translations are not quite accurate. And for all you retards that think the wire work is a rip off of the Matrix, you will also understand why the warriors can fly and paralyze their opponents. It has NOTHING to do with trying to be "in style" with the latest action flicks.....just have your Chinese speaking friend explain it to you, then maybe you will understand.

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 12:56 p.m. CST

    LOL! STOP CRYING YOU FUCKING KID! LOL!

    by ICE747

    IF YOU THINK WIRE FU IS CHEESY AND DON'T LIKE WIRE FU WHICH ALL CHINESE KUNG FU MOVIES USES IT, THAN YOU SHOULD SHUT THE FUCK UP KID, YOU KNOW NOTHING! ANI'T A FAN, SO GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE! SO GO PLAY WITH YOURSELF AND SUCK ON YOUR MOTHER'S DICK! LOL!

  • Sept. 18, 2000, 1:05 p.m. CST

    HEY JAVADEVIL! YA LOSER! YA FUCKING CRYING BABY! HAHAHA!

    by ICE747

    IF YOU THINK WIRE FU IS CHEESY AND DON'T LIKE WIRE FU MOVIES WHICH ALL CHINESE KUNG FU MOVIES USES IT, THAN YOU SHOULD SHUT THE FUCK UP KID, YOU KNOW NOTHING! IF YA AIN'T A FAN, SO GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE! SO GO PLAY WITH YOURSELF AND SUCK ON YOUR MOTHER'S DICK! LOL! I APOLOGIZED TO THOSE WHO HAVE TO READ THIS BUT THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT!

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