Sept. 1, 2000, 12:44 a.m. CST
Looking at his work, you begin to see that heroes and villians could resemble and coexists with us mere mortals. His vision just adds a much needed feul to our fire of imagination.
Sept. 1, 2000, 12:49 a.m. CST
that changes my view of Stan Lee. All the time I thought of him as a gentel person. Now I know why Steve Dikto got upset...
Sept. 1, 2000, 1:11 a.m. CST
I'm glad a person's personality doesn't affect my views of their work. Wow.
Sept. 1, 2000, 3:12 a.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
That's the main flaw with The Dark Knight. Miller turned Superman into a villain and he's going to do it again. Miller is great but DC didn't let him do the things he did to their most famous character because he's great, they did it for the bucks. Lemming-like, nobody had the balls to say ,"Uh, Frank, you get Batman fine, but you don't get Superman at all." Alex Ross actually seems to get all these characters.
Sept. 1, 2000, 6:05 a.m. CST
by Cereal Killer
...two things were said about the state of comics now that I wanted to comment on. First, comic book prices are ridiculous. When I was a kid you could get a comic book for a quarter. Hell, my mom used to tell me that her and her siblings got a huge stack of comics every month back in the '40's that they would read and then trade with other kids for another stack. In that way she read just about every comic that was out at the time. Now that comics are 3 bucks each, no kid can buy a stack of them and they're too expensive to trade with friends after you've read them. Bring the prices back down to under a buck each. Second, we need to bring comics out of the comic book store. Comics thrive better when they're an impulse buy. If you've got kids with you at Walmart or the grocery store and there's a huge section of comics you're not gonna get out of there without being badgered into buying one. The way it is now you have to already be a comic fan who makes a monthly trip to the comic store (a place just for geeks) to get your comic fix. This is not a strategic way to get more readers. So, the comic companies need to drop their prices and broaden their visibility in the marketplace if they want to survive.
Sept. 1, 2000, 10:27 a.m. CST
to Alex Ross... it takes courage to speak the truth in an industry run by such fickle hearts... and zero fuckin respect to the comic industry... overall, It has become a business whose prices are ridiculous. 3 bucks for a comic, or more if you live in Canada like me, is stupid... it basically axes all hope for a little kid to grab an exciting selection of books, and little kids are the reason that the comic industry thrived like it used to. They sell a commodity that in inacessible both in terms of price and collectorship. The multi-title arcs have got to stop... why do we buy them? Does anyone really enjoy them? Or have the Big 3 just made us such mindless completists that we cant stop... Comics were one my favourite modes of recreation, right up there with drinking and rock music. Comic books are how i taught myself to read, and i bet the same is true of many people out there. My collection numbered in the low thousands, but even i had to stop because quality fell as prices rose. Fuck this industry... it doesnt deserve to be doing well.
Sept. 1, 2000, 11:19 a.m. CST
A total loon can ramble on and on about things he's only half-informed about and people will take it as the gospel. Amen, everybody...
Sept. 1, 2000, 12:51 p.m. CST
The Dark Knight _RETURNS_ ended with a "new begining". Just look at the last few pages and it is clear to even the simplest of minds that it was not the end of the story...well, maybe not the simplest. Anyways, Miller has said pretty much since he wrote that one that he always had a sequel in mind...Anyone else annoyed by the Marvel/comics industry is only in it for the money sentiment in the same interview as the Marvel doesn't have enough money to for me sentiment?
Sept. 2, 2000, 6:38 p.m. CST
I'm not one of those people who thinks Frank Miller can do no wrong, but I think you might be off in saying Frank 'doesn't get' Superman. You've got to remember that "Dark Knight" was a highly satirical and stylized piece of work, a *deliberate* attempt to shake up the superhero status quo. That Superman was reinterpreted as a government lackey doesn't mean that that's the only way Miller views the character, simply that that was the most interesting way to interpret him for this particular Batman story. Miller's Superman was a reflection of real public concerns over Reagan's hawkish military policies. It was as though the old Superman slogan of "truth, justice, and the American way" had been rewritten as simply "the American way". In a story rife with satire, I think it was a sharp as hell reinterpretation. On a simpler level, Superman's opposition to Batman simply made Batman the ultimate outlaw, an idea keenly important to Miller in showcasing Batman's drive for justice. I mean, when a near-god like Superman wants to take you down and you *still* keep on fighting, that is the essence of righteous rebellion. As for whether Miller could write a strong Superman story with all the traditional altruism of the character...I couldn't say for sure. I just don't think he meant Dark Knight to be his definitive take on the Superman. In fact, I read an interview with Miller years ago where he mentioned a desire to do a full-on Superman story. I seem to recall that he felt a little guilty for making Superman a villain in "Dark Knight", and wanted to redeem himself (and Superman). Interesting. I've seen a few Superman pin-ups by Miller in various places, and if nothing else, he certainly can *draw* a heroic interpretation of the character. We'll see about the writing later. ****** On a related note, I don't think Alex Ross necessarily "gets" all the characters he's worked on either. Take Captain Marvel, for example, a key player in "Kingdom Come". Anyone with knowledge of Captain Marvel's defining years under the legendary team of C.C. Beck and Otto Binder knows Captain Marvel is essentially a humorous character. His adventures were wacky, fast-paced fantasy. And yet Waid and Ross wedged this guy (very awkwardly) into a very serious role in "Kingdom Come". That bothers me more than Miller's take on Superman, because "Kingdom" was clearly not meant as satire, as stylization - it was ostensibly a realistic take on the future of the DC universe. DC in general deserves some blame - they should never have merged the light-hearted Captain Marvel into their "serious" continuity in the first place (same for Plastic Man), but Ross and Waid are still idiots for making him a key player in their quasi-epic story. Ross is a great artist, and he's even got some good ideas, but as I've harped in previous Talkbacks - his word ain't gospel, and he's certainly not the savior of the wounded comic medium.
Sept. 4, 2000, 12:15 p.m. CST
by Zone Zero
Okay peeps, here is the deal. Comics are high in price, not because of production, but because of the high pay rates for artists and writers, and anyone else involved. The best way to get the most bang for the buck is what the japanese do, make a directory book sized b&w comic, and put it out for roughly 8 bucks an issue, and people might bite, especially if several comics are within. This also eliminates the need for 4 books per title a month!