QT QUATTRO: A Triple Bill of SECRET AGENT MOVIES with Tarantino
There is a joyish glee I get sometimes when I hike the stairs of the Alamo Drafthouse... Generally... being an obese fatass... I loathe stairs, but not so with the Alamo's. Nope, here... These stairs are my Rocky steps because everytime I climb them it's to see something that I can dance around and thrust my arms in the air and throw my head back and scream... something unintelligible to all but the hummingbird.
Tonight was the debut night for the 4th Annual Quentin Tarantino Film Festival.... People traveled from as far away as New Zealand to attend this year. So that means you folks working on LORD OF THE RINGS... you have got ZERO EXCUSES to not make it by next week this time. Father Geek and I were the first two... attendees to arrive. The show was to begin at 8pm.... We arrived just a tad before 6pm. Why? Because we were excited... We have to get the perfect seat... stake out our turf so to speak, and most of all... it was to begin charging the Alamo with positive vibes. I'm the sort of guy that likes to see the Circus tent go up.... I like to watch the sunrise and the flowers' petals to part and open. So too do I like to watch the kegs being rolled across the floor... the banners being hung, the ceiling being finished off in black paint... the posters being placed into their frames... Quentin arriving to confirm with Tim that all is right with his prints... Watching various folks moving about... nervous... this is that time period when Mickey and Judy aren't entirely sure this, "Let's throw a show" bit will work. I stay out of the way... and just observe. I'm sooooo giddy.
As is usual, the most dedicated geek after Dad and I... QUINT arrives, followed in close suit by MOUTH.... Copernicus, Tom Joad, Annette Kellerman, Moriarty, Johnny Wad, Peter Blood, Claire Standish, Flesh Gordon, Dorothy Parker... They all begin arriving, interspersed with the other folks... Faces I recognize from the past fests... some that I don't. Denver, Charlottesville, New Jersey... all over. They all arrive knowing not the titles of the films... having never seen a festival quite like this one.
This year I am getting these VIP pass... this is different than in every other year... they never had a VIP pass before.... when I asked if that meant free booze or food... apparently, it means I can sit in a special section closer to Quentin.... WHY ON EARTH WOULD I WANT THAT?
Now, don't get me wrong... Quentin's a great guy... I'm sure I'd just groove to sitting 3 feet away watching these films... BUT... Quentin is one of them freaks that likes to sit way the hell towards the back of the theater. I'm one of those freaks that likes to sit on the second or third row at least... and I prefer the second. I like being centered and close enough that everything within the field of vision of my glasses is... FILM.
Before everyone is being let in, Quentin comes up and we begin chatting about various cool films that neither of us have seen.... Obscure soundtracks to Italian Crime and Spy Films.... I ask him if he's ever seen GIRL ON A MOTORCYCLE aka NAKED UNDER LEATHER.... now believe it or not... he hasn't. Now I freakin love that film... I pushed it on Ebert when he and I did the episode on CULT CINEMA. We are in the midst of geeking... no talk about upcoming projects... no when is filming starting... what's your budget... I mean, really... I mean, if you were here... you would understand.... Quentin is your best friend film buddy that enthuses. Actually, it's something of a personality trait that he and I share. Raving about details that outsiders... non-film geeks would look at us and just lean their head back and do that Sutherland scream.
Soon, the theater is being filled up.... I order a bucket of Shiners iced down and ready for consumption. Moriarty had an iced prune elixir... something about staying regular... weird old people habits.
Everyone is chilling... My crew has been on this trip before... We’re veterans of this here battlefield.... These seats have held our asses before, this screen has held coolness before and we are here for the duration. We are jazzed for some super secret spy works upon the screen..... All AICNers are taking spy tips... how they would apply into studio infiltration, chasing targets, copying of secret materials, doing battle with covert NRG types... you know the drill... Here.... Here we see the movie versions of what we do... and we’re thrilled to be here.
Rebecca Campbell of the Austin Film Society takes the stage... Tim from the Drafthouse is manning the soundboard... the audience braces as it’s all coming to steam.... Off about 12 rows back Quentin is in the shadows... stalking his audience.. ready to unleash his babies... his prints... in all their glory to gobsmack the shit out of this crew.... The sponsors are thanked, the announcement of Corporate Sponsorship is announced... the Omni hotel..... Broadjump and the Austin Chronicle.... and the radio stations etc....
Rebecca announces.... Quentin and he rushes up to the stage in a semi-oriental styled bowling shirt... black and red with black pants with a racing white stripe down the side.... I mention this only because... I always make note of what Quentin wears because... I did at the first fest... and stylistically... I must remain consistent. Heh.
Quentin yanks the mike out of the stand like a leg of mutton in the days of armor.... He rips it right up to a millimeter from his thousand words per minute mouth and begins...
He announces to us that he has 3 glorious I.B. Technicolor 35 millimeter prints of some of the best damn spy flicks from the late sixties. Now... as Quentin said... “For those of you that don’t know what an I.B. Tech print is... Let me put it this way... If you collect films, if that’s what you do, and there is a film you dream of, that you stay awake dying to own.... you dream of it in I.B. Technicolor.... Then you wake up and you have reality.... BUUUUUUUT..... TONIGHT, you are in DREAMLAND BABYYYYY! Cause these colors are just going to POP right out at you.... Like BAM!”
Now... what were these three films.... The first film of the evening was HAMMER HEAD from 1968. Now the film was based off an old James Mayo spy novel by the same name, and playing the head spy was Vince Edwards, Dr Ben Casey himself. Now... many know him as his good guy doctor roles in numerous television and b-movies... but personally my fave Vince Edwards role was as Vince in CITY OF FEAR... A BADASS FILM NOIR along the lines of KISS ME DEADLY... and a film that hardly anyone I know has ever actually seen... but man... it’s one of my personal... my films... you know.. the ones you can talk about and everyone looks at you with a blank stare? Well... in a way, that was how Quentin introduced this film.... I mean... he (and my father) were the only ones in the hall that had even seen this thing... and Quentin was all dissing Vince a bit as being stiff (but how that kinda worked), drawing loose parallels to George Clooney in terms of Vince’s popularity at the time... But then... his eyes and mannerisms exploded in a hurdle of twisted fingers and arms as he tried to describe his undying affection for....
Quentin launches into his love sonnet for how much Judy Geeson was like HIS girl out of that whole group of British honeys from this period... Then he begins going nuts over the dresses and the costumes that Judy wears in the film.... I mean... He was seriously GAY about them... He’s all talking about the cuts and the colors and the designs... And he’s talking to the girls in the audience about them being the fucking BOMB.... and then he’s like... “I mean think about it folks... I’m up here... I’m a man... and I’m like talking about these DRESSES you better believe they’re special.... I mean after this movie all my women are going to be dressed waaaay better... I’ve got an eye for it now!!!”
And the last thing he emphasizes is this musical scene that he was going to “FUCKING STEAL BLIND” in his next film... but the character he was going to use it with doesn’t have time for the scene... so he does tell the entire room that when we see this particular scene... know that he has dibs on it. He will steal it... not in his next film... and the one after his next film is a WAR film, so it’ll be down the road.. but it’s his scene... It’ll be different music... but he’s got it. “Artists don’t do homages... they fucking steal a movie BLIND!” Wonderful line....
The movie starts and folks... It has some fantastic moments... specifically the introduction of Beverly Adams... which is the scene Quentin is going to steal.... can’t be described... must be seen to be believed.... But them damn dresses of Judy Geeson’s character are the shit... I mean she is soooooo damn adorable in everything... I mean, the scene where she turns two towels into a miniskirt and a tube top.... Holy Mackerel.... wowza baby... Hot stuff.
I actually dug Vince Edwards in the film... he plays the spy thing as a total 9 to 5 sort of job... strictly by the numbers... strictly as a job. It’s a little cold... it isn’t swinging dick Bond cool... but it’s got it’s own... sort of Michael Caine.... Ipkriss lite sort of vibe that’s cool.
The most noted coolocity of the film is that the BAD guy is all.... how to say... he’s a collector of pornography from throughout the centuries... that finances his porn collection by selling secrets to the Russians... I think. What a wild idea for a bad guy... he’s also a clean freak... gloves... white.... freaky shit... THE OTHER THING... is his big badass that fights for him is a young David Prowse... DARTH VADER... he has this cool as hell dueling scar and... well, in truth he turns out to be a bit of a wuss when push comes to shove... but still man... DARTH VADER. Cool.
Now, the next flick... I so can’t remember Quentin’s intro.... All I remember is that it wasn’t too jazzing. I felt like he was trying to not oversell the film.... The movie was called KISS THE GIRLS AND MAKE THEM DIE... It stars Mike Connors, who you might be familiar with as being MANNIX... a tough cool TV show from the late sixties... but all of you know as being one of the Amalekite Herders trying to steal water for their animals in THE TEN COMMANDMENTS... In reality... he’s the first one that gets his ass kicked by an ANGRY Moses....
Now... folks... NONE OF YOU WILL BELIEVE ME... But KISS THE GIRLS AND MAKE THEM DIE is one of the hands down coooooooolest fucking SPY films you’ll ever NOT see.
First off... I’ve never seen a spy film where the spies soooooo were in love with being SPIES... I mean... folks... they were soooooo into it. All the gadgets... they just were used to them... it wasn’t new... They knew exactly how all the toys work, when to use them and how to look cool while doing it. You’ve never seen BOND this home with his toys... BOND is always like getting used to the shit Q gives him.... Here... it’s second nature. I mean there is nothing more natural in the world than to use their toys...
The other thing is... These spies are like Comic Book Super Heroes... On top of the toys... they have this driver that just kicks ass... He’s played by Terry-Thomas... and he comes equipped with a Rolls Royce that just RULES! This car is just rules... and his use of it... whether it be converting it into a billboard... or making a Scotch on the Rocks... or letting the lady’s change of clothes out... FANTASTIC... The cavalier way he fights and takes care of the car... The perfect chauffeur.... wonderful.
Now the babes are hot... as usual for a spy film... but the thing you have to realize is... THE EVIL BASTARD of the film... his plan is to launch a satellite into orbit that will kill the sex drive of every MAN on the planet... so that he will become the last STUD on the planet... So every girl every where will have to fuck him or go without. His eyes are so damn electric... his smile so evil.... His plan.... SO COOL... I mean, dudes... what a plan.... The Ultimate Cock Blocker!
This wasn’t a so bad it is good film... this was a FANTASTIC MOVIE that I would put on par with any BOND film and any spy film around.... A GREAT MOVIE... Absolutely marvelous.
Now... The last film of the night... no matter what was scheduled... could not live up to KISS THE GIRLS AND MAKE THEM DIE.... so what Quentin did.. was he scheduled another Italian Spy film... Only instead of being a GREAT film... it was a film that was a spy flick... that was just so damn bizarre you couldn’t look away.
The movie is called LIGHTNING BOLT... and it’s a spy film about a beer and alcohol company owner that decides to place a laser cannon on the moon to rule the world with.... BUT THAT’S NOT THE WEIRD PART... The weird part is that the spy, played by Anthony Eisley, doesn’t like using a gun... so he uses a CHECK BOOK instead... He has UNLIMITED FUNDS from the U.S. Treasury... and can simply write GIGANTIC CHECKS to get the job done. So... bad guys have him at gun point... he whips out the check book.... and wallah.... Finito... Done, safe, on his way.... The other thing is... I believe there is more sheer narration than in any film ever... More even than ED WOOD movies... AND... it’s pretty damn funny coy stuff.
Overall... a wonderful triple feature.... Tonight is the all night horror marathon... TOHO FILMS and ITALIAN HORROR.... Till DAWN... I can not wait.... See you then.... BYE..
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Aug. 26, 2000, 5:38 p.m. CST
by Regis Travolta
Being First to Post means you have no life outside of AICN or you just got lucky and logged on at a time when there were no other posts. It also carries with it the Responsibility to set the tone for the rest of the board to follow...Anyway, what was the name of that Italian Spy Spoof from around '67 or '68 or '69 that starred Guy Madison from Lost in Space? Can't remember but it was Awesome Cool Goofy Fun, anyone? Harry? Quentin?
Aug. 26, 2000, 5:57 p.m. CST
by Regis Travolta
Anyway I found the movie at IMDB it's titled "Superargo contro Diabolikus" and my mistake it didn't star Guy Madison, starred some other guy who looked like Guy Madison, anyway Harry & Quentin Superargo was a Super Spy whose cover was Professional Wrestler!! Funny and wacky and goofy fun, translated title "Superargo fights Diabolikus" who of course was the Super Villain...
Aug. 26, 2000, 8 p.m. CST
...I think I'll pass on BRING IT ON. This Tarantino report sounds kind of...I don't know. I just wanna see his WWII movie kickc the crap out of Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan soon! I heard he was planning on making is WW2 movie based on Kubrick's unfinished project "Aryan Papers", anyone knows if that's still a plan?
Aug. 26, 2000, 8:54 p.m. CST
Hey Harry, Carl Barks died...where's a story for him? Let's give some props to the man who made Donald Duck more than Mickey's gag-man. We would never have had Scrooge McDuck and numerous other characters if it weren't for now late, but still great Mr. Barks.
Aug. 26, 2000, 9:30 p.m. CST
You are right. It is sickenning to compare Spielberg's take-no-risks-made-to-win-a-cheap-oscar Schindler's List with anything Tarantino ever did. Spielberg is well below him. Even below Jackie Brown. It is sickenning to compare Spielberg's masturbatory epic with Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs for example, right?
Aug. 26, 2000, 9:38 p.m. CST
Your response to El Mariachi's comments is about the lamest reply I have ever seen in a AICN talkback...get your Spielberg-loving ass out of here. That bastard stole A.I. and claimed that Kubrick "gave" him the story. Huh-uh.
Aug. 26, 2000, 10:56 p.m. CST
Remember that in a few billion years, the sun will run out of hydrogen and expand to several times it's original size, baking the earth and everything on it into crumbs... So if you're not doing something right now to prevent that fateful day or get the human race off this planet before it happens, well, you're wasting your lives, suckers!
Aug. 26, 2000, 11:04 p.m. CST
(1) Quentin Tarantino rocks the party that rocks the party... You know what my criterion is for a great director? STYLE. No matter what you think of a Tarantino movie, you can always tell which ones are his. Win or lose, the man is all his own. (2) I liked Private Ryan pretty well too. But it's a tradiitonal war movie all the way. It was a reach back to the good ol' days of John Wayne and Audie Murphy: manly men doing what they gotta do, fulfilling the mission, blowing the bridge, etc. Despite the beautiful and brutal first half-hour, El Spielbergo is still an old softie at heart. That's his style. Tarantino's WW2 film won't resemble that in any way, shape or form. It's impossible. (3) Kirsten Dunst AND Eliza Dushku in the same movie? AS CHEERLEADERS?? Forget it, dude, they have my money. I am totally powerless under Faith's spell.
Aug. 26, 2000, 11:23 p.m. CST
by ben murphy
Alright, John Q., I couldn't disagree with you anymore. But I gotta say, you're winning the argument here 'cause your much better at gettin' your point across in a well thought out manner than anyone else. Of course, that doesn't counteract the fact that Tarantino is the shiznit, even if he steals from other people's shit. So far every one of his films has been a knockout, regardless of what he's borrowed. He may not be God, but definitely some sort of high priest.
Aug. 26, 2000, 11:29 p.m. CST
Schindler's List won because it was restrained, dignified and moving? Let me tell you something, All Mighty God of filmmaking (I'm beign sarcastic here, in case you can't catch sarcasm...). Schindler's List was a cowardly self-important movie that used every clich
Aug. 26, 2000, 11:53 p.m. CST
I'd like to bring one of your own comments to your attention now..."All his characters are Xerox copies of copies of characters from other films -- add excessive dialogue and violence, and you get meaningless, light-as-air flicks full so called-art"...that is your own line, apply it to Spielberg, I think it works better than when applied to Tarantino...Although I don't see how dialogue can be excessive in a film if it serves its style...maybe you don't like films that are a little too..."wordy" for you, right? Pseudo-artists like you who need Spielberg to pound his ideas into your head because you wouldn't understand subtle images make me want to vomit. You'd probably think that George Lucas, one of the most innovative minds in cinema has become a marketing freak like the rest of all those cynical the-Matrix-rules morons that infestate these talkbacks, don't you? Enjoy your Spielberg easily digested movies away, Johnny. Pop Schindler's List into your VCR, cream over the dramatic effects of the little girl in red and shut the fuck up...
Aug. 27, 2000, 12:25 a.m. CST
"oh...your spelling...err....sucks!" for god's sake, I overestimated you. I live in Mexico, I am 19 years old and english is my second language man, so I think that would explain my lack of spelling skills, I'd love to see why your use of the english language is less than satisfactory though... I am sorry if my mispelling of one word bothered you, and I am glad to see you have finally given up in your senseless quest of outsmarting me. Go back and admire your Spielberg film. I'll admire my much more relevant Kubrick. And we can agree to disagree.
Aug. 27, 2000, 1:13 a.m. CST
by Bari Umenema
"Or I'll have Michael Madsen SLICE YOUR EARS OFF with a straight razor 'cause I'm Quentin Tarantino!" God how I LOATHE Reservoir Dogs precisely for that hideous disgusting perverted sadistic sadistic sadistic scene!! Tarantino is a sick motherfucker...Discuss amongst yourselves boys, I'm goin' to bed...
Aug. 27, 2000, 1:25 a.m. CST
by Bari Umenema
Really Harry, he traveled to the Alamo Drafthouse mainly to meet you 'cause you invited everyone, send him an apologetic e-mail since he still supports AICN. Tell him you were drunk or something but apologize to nololno.
Aug. 27, 2000, 2:03 a.m. CST
...shows just how oh-so-smart they are by bashing each other. How nice. And now, for the idiot who attempted to post the idiotic "I'm first" b.s. but got screwed by the board's order -- HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH! YOU JERK! HAHAHAHAHAHH! Yeah, that's my contribution to this stimulating conversation. I'm assuming, with the tone that's been going on, this would be considered, what, brilliant? Must be...
Aug. 27, 2000, 2:07 a.m. CST
I know I should probably stay out of this little incident but after reading your posts it is sooooo hard to resist. You all (with some minor exceptions) are a bunch of whiny bitches. That's all! No one really give a flying rat fuck what you have to say any more. Hopefully you have stopped posting for the evening, but I simply must request that you continue this hair pulling contest in the chat room or not at all. K? now one more thing. Harry, if you really did snub nololno as he says then you truly owe him the most sincere apology. Public would be prefered. Now I understand if the perception was different on your end, but still, there shouldn't be bad feelings. So everyone kiss and make up tomorrow, and please don't tell me to go fuck myself for being a no good hippie peacenick. Alright, and by the way Speilberg is a hack!!! Just kidding.
Aug. 27, 2000, 2:08 a.m. CST
Anyone remember Thundercats? That was cool. Personally I liked Panthro or whatever his name was. The one he drove that big fucking tank. That's right. They had a tank. Snarf wasn't too clever though - still, it didn't stop the makers of Star Trek sticking him on Voyager and calling him Neelix. When are we gonna see a Thundercats film, with Russell Crowe, Hugh Jackman and Vinnie Jones?
Aug. 27, 2000, 2:14 a.m. CST
ahead of time that Moriarty was going to be there, I would have gone just to drag him on the street and "stomp him like a narc at a biker rally". Cause he's sure no friend of mine.
Aug. 27, 2000, 2:21 a.m. CST
I went to the first Tarantino fest at the Dobie, and I still dont get it. Why shell out all this dough to watch films that I wouldn't even watch on TV for free. Because some big time movie director says they are cool? Just like the Buttnumbathon. Sit through a bunch of crap for a couple of hidden nuggets. Shit. What am I saying. To each his own I guess. And my sorry ass will most likely be back at the next Buttnumbathon. If for nothing else than to drag Moriarty out on the street and...
Aug. 27, 2000, 3:05 a.m. CST
Does anybody really care about this festival? The only reason it's up on the site is because Harry and pals went. Is it cool news? Is it news of any sort? What a waste. I for one am not shocked that Harry would snub a reader, for it's not the readers who made Harry who he is today, but Harry's greatness, and brilliance. 99.99999% of the people who visit this site visit to find out information about movies, not ego trips by the owner. The fact is, the scoopers are the people who make this site what it is. The only contribution from Harry is converting into HTML the reviews written by Hollywood executives after he's been flown to see their latest pieces of shit.
Aug. 27, 2000, 3:16 a.m. CST
Something happened here, things got crossed posted, that post above is not from me... Anyways, I was wondering when QT is going to get off his ass and make another movie. Oh, I forgot about Little Nicky
Aug. 27, 2000, 4:56 a.m. CST
KJSR local interview Austin RC: All right. And if anybody listening knows Harry Knowles, tell him to get in touch with me, will you? KC: Ain
Aug. 27, 2000, 8:01 a.m. CST
I'm Glad to see that both Quentin and Harry like Euro Spy flicks. I've been working on a book on this subject for years and in the meantime have amassed the largest single private collection of these films (and there are hundreds!). Of course, the project keeps gettin' rejected by publishers, but McFarland recently gave me a contract to do Women In Spy Films (where some of the Euro Spy material I've been working on will finally surface). ...And you gotta' dig the COOL Euro pop/psychedelia/jazz soundtracks.
Aug. 27, 2000, 8:22 a.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
And I am just tickled about reading about other people watching movies. When was the first showing of Bring It On?
Aug. 27, 2000, 6:39 p.m. CST
I had an absolute BLAST!!! I really enjoyed Quentin's introductions to each film. I agree with Harry in that "Kiss the Girls and Make Them Die" was the best of the three films. The car ROCKED!!!! That was the coolest Rolls I have ever seen in my life. And James was just so.....capable. The villian was properly sadistic and strange. The two agents involved played well off each other and made a good team when they got around to cooperating with each other. "Hammerhead" was typical spy film and the fact that the agent (I can't remember names to save my ass....) was a little stiff did actually work well in this film. The introduction of Judy Geeson's character in this film is fabulous.....you guys would LOVE it....and I can't wait to see how Quentin will use it. "Lightning Bolt" was my least favorite....the funniest thing about this film to me is the fact that the weapon of choice is a check book.....that was just too funny.....
Aug. 27, 2000, 6:41 p.m. CST
I and a bunch of my friends have gone up to meet Harry at various events, and he's never been anything but cool and friendly. Face it, nololno, you just caught him at a bad moment. For you people to jump on Harry and say "Oh no! He was too distracted to talk to a fanboy, so that means he's an egotistical bastard sellout punk!" is the biggest bunch of self-centered BULLSHIT I've seen in talkback in a while. Get over yourselves, you freaks.
Aug. 27, 2000, 8:07 p.m. CST
by Bari Umenema
Aug. 28, 2000, 3:47 a.m. CST
by Darth Satan
No wonder Quint can't make a good movie anymore. He's to busy watching old shit movies that no one but Harry and a few weirdos would like to see. Man if I was there I would have asked Quint some questions. Like "What do you think of what true movie buffs say about you? Which is that your that your the Orson Wells of the 90's". " Since your not a very good actor, and when you watch your own movies you must see this, why do you insist on acting?When the talent you used to have clearly belongs behind the camera". "What kind of hallucnigens where you on when decided that the script to Jakie Brown was good?"."What kind of Anti-Depressants did you have to take when your realized what a piece Jakie Brown was?" "What do you now think of the movie Destiny Turns on the Radio?" "At the height of your popularaity when you could have picked any cool project you wanted to. You decided to play in an episode of a awful sitcom with Margret Chow. In this episode you decided to spoof your one big hit movie Pulp fiction. Why the hell did you decide to do this? Since the show did really horrible in the ratings, and only lasted about a month"." I once heard you on an L.A. radio(KLSX, around 1997?) station, you stated that you where working on Pulp Fiction II. What the hell happened with that project?"."WHAT ARE YOU CURRENTLY WORKING ON? AND WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU HERE SHOWING THESE COMPLETE CRAP MOVIES?".
Aug. 28, 2000, 4:19 a.m. CST
Come on... Reservoir Dogs, True Romance, Natural Born Killers, Pulp Fiction... how many times is the guy gonna make the same movie? So they're not all specifically the same plot, but I mean if it weren't for Tony Scott and Oliver Stone, I'd have a hard time telling these movies apart. If Q directed all 4 of them, you could probably edit 30 minutes of footage from each of them into a 2 hour film and no one would be any the wiser. All that having been said, though, my biggest gripe with Tarantino (besides the blatant theft of ideas previously mentioned by another TB'er,) is the over-cleverness (it's a word *now*) of his dialogue. Q is ever praised for his amazingly witty dialogue, and I will concede that it has the virtue of being different from most writer's dialogue, but simply put: it's never more than Quentin talking. Christian Slater in True Romance sounds exactly like Woody Harrelson in NBK who sounds just like Tim Roth in Reservoir Dogs, who sounds identical to Travolta in Pulp Fiction. Quentin doesn't write characters, her writes Quentin. Breakfast cereals, fast food, Madonna lyrics, dirty jokes, 60's/70's television... all coming from 100 different faces, but all in the same voice. Am I the only one who sees this? Do you all think I'm nuts? Just think about it. If you've ever seen Tarantino talking. . . about ANYTHING. . . then you see where his clever monologues originate: a hyperactive 35-year-old with a keyboard in front of him. I don't think he sucks as a filmmaker. He does have a unique style compared to the rest of the industry, and most others "like" him are more like would-be carbon-copies. I don't even think he sucks as a writer, necessarily. I just think he should go back to the drawing board and study how *different* people talk, and try to get past merely giving one more "flavorful" pop-culture diatribe to whichever character simply hasn't delivered one yet.
Aug. 28, 2000, 6:27 a.m. CST
I agree with the Tarantino side of that debate. Absolutely. As for Schindler's List vs Pulp Fiction-- the whole point of film is to channel emotion. An artist should channel emotion as sincerely and intensely as possible. (Hitchcock himself said that electrodes to a person's brain would be better than having to watch a movie because then you could get pure emotion.) Okay, so if we are debating whether a concentration camp movie would have more intense emotions than a heist movie-- then of course the concentration camp movie wins. Who could argue with that? What we are actually debating is that despite the topic in Schindler's List Spielberg did not channel the emotions very well. (I agree that Tarantino's emotions are often juvenile but he is REALLY good at channeling them.) If you think that Spielberg did channel the emotions with a restrained honesty, then that is your opinion. I thought it was pretentious and masturbatory, too. To call Spielberg a genius was making me sick. Although many people do think Spielberg is a genius, I doubt that you will find them under a Tarantino talkback. As for the comments: ...what are you, twelve? Did you learn all those words from your Eminem album? Let's just say you're not debate club material (and I could say a lot worse). If you want to have an intelligent exchange about film, then post it here. If you want to curse at me and bitch like a snot-nosed fifth grader, e-mail me instead -- that way I'll be able to put your address on "ignore" forever. Um, John, your inability to recognize different levels of formality is only insulting yourself. This is not CNN-Booknotes. There are rules here and the rules are informal. Creative insults are part of the forum and I personally enjoyed it when someone called you a "little bitch." And I agree.
Aug. 28, 2000, 7:30 a.m. CST
by Darth Satan
My personal problem with Q is that not necssarily that he likes these dumb cheesy movies. Its just that he seems to be doing dumb stuff like the film festival instead of making movies. I liked Pulp fiction, True Romance (I know he just wrote it), and Resviour Dogs, but when is he going to make some goddamn movies. There is a terrible drought of good movies out there. Just maybe if he put a little effort into his career he could have a hit again.~By the way, isn't this comparsion of Speilberg and Quint, a little ridiculous..Kind of a apples oranges thing. I mean there both directors, but there totally different. And the thing about Shindler's (sp?) List being mastorbatory seemed a little gross given the subject matter of the movie. Maybe I'm being to PC, and I'm probably out of line. But Speilberg told a story that needed to be told with that movie. When I read that comment the first thing I thought was that the dude had a problem with Jews.
Aug. 28, 2000, 8:30 a.m. CST
Um, actually for channeling emotions Spielberg really did a great job in other movies like ET so maybe he is a genius. He seemed to channel juvenile emotions very well and I don't mean that as an insult because QT is the same way. I just thought Schindler's List was pretentious. And yes, Darth Satan you are right that considering the subject matter masturbatory is inappropriate.
Aug. 28, 2000, 8:46 a.m. CST
I was saying that QT channels juvenile emotions and by that I mean the whole "whoop-ass" vibe. He does a GREAT job!!!! Style, cool, I'm gonna go out in the world and just rip it up! I love that!!!! It's that invincible feeling that you have when you are a teenager. It's awesome!!!! I think he will always have a bit of that, but I think as he gets older and has a family then he will start to channel other emotions, too. Jackie Brown was more bittersweet and I think we will see more of that in his work. I personally don't care what emotions he is channeling, I just want it to be sincere. :)
Aug. 28, 2000, 10:38 a.m. CST
Seriously, if you don't like QT (nobody says you have to like him) then why are you here? (And I'm a fangirl actually.)
Aug. 28, 2000, 11:23 a.m. CST
by Sgt. Bilko
Warning: Doctor Noah's Bacillus is highly contagious. It makes all women beautiful and destroys all men over 4'6"
Aug. 28, 2000, 11:58 a.m. CST
"Huh huh, can I bring crow and tom servo", "these movies are complete crap"...etc,etc. These are just some of the fucking stupid opinions of the talk backers on this site. Hey cock spanks some of the films showing at the fest are legitimately good like "Murder to the tune of seven notes in black". Hell you don't know anything about these films. Go back to watching you Matrix & Phantom menace special editions, and being amazed at how much more CGI was used in episode 1. Fuck all 'ya all
Aug. 28, 2000, 12:43 p.m. CST
There is no doubt he suffers from what you say...although I find Kevin Smith to be MUCH more guilty of that crime as in Dogma but...I actually watched Pulp Fiction the other day and there were several parts of jarring dialog...for instance it wasn't a pop reference but hearing Mia Wallace say "exercise in sheer futility" after supposedly snorting a ton of coke...I doubt Uma even knows what that phrase means...but that aside I observed the sheer genius of the way the scenes were structured. The whole film pretty much revolves around Pitts revelation and it was genius to edit the scenes so you don't see why he isn't there to help Vega with Butch until the end. I just thought it was masterful writing and direction AND editing. Also NOT interchangeable with other DIFFERENT films like Reservoir dogs...the difference being unlike Pulp you can't mix up every scene in the movie and have it make sence...Just thought that was done beautifully and was real art. When that movie came out I remember S and E saying how he revolutionized dialog...it may all sound like 1 person talking but atleast it sounds like a person and not a script from the dialoginator. So many films at that time were so bland he gave everyone a kick in the ass and while it may have yielded bad rips it also woke up many. I personally don't blame the originator for the rip. Also I must comment on Oliver Stones Natural Born Killers AGGGHHH!!! Whereas Tony Scott did an awesome job and actually loved the material (so much he ripped the ending for Enemy of the State) Stone BUTCHERED that script! Seek out Qs version on line TRUST me. I for one don't see these characters as interchangeable cut outs. Pop references aside they all have nuances that make them real. Lastly the REASON I love Q. He gives credit where its due! Throughout the sixties to seventies to eighties pre action era there were low budget films that are widely dismissed that were genius. These films were meant to be small crappy films but they were so great and original they affected us all. The films I refer to range from Straw Dogs (A MUST SEE!!!) to Assault on Precinct 13 as well as overseas obscure cinema. These films have been emulated in everything from Aliens to the Matrix. Atleast he throws bones to these films like the Assault shirt in D till Dawn. Thats why I like him he makes nice little character driven dramas in the style of these films and credits them. And for the guy who said screw fanboys for making fun of those obscure films I would think fanboys (or girls) would not only like modern movies but would like older cool films like Southern Comfort. Personally I love my Matrix dvd it is sitting right next to my Big Blue special edition. Oh and I was right on the spidey thing 1 villian now...we'll see what other decisions he changes...
Aug. 28, 2000, 3:58 p.m. CST
Well fuck me... (and yeah, early Marianne Faithful is a big deal with or without Mar Bars)
Aug. 28, 2000, 4:26 p.m. CST
Everyone and their wanna be filmaker son is making a WW2 movie, it's a little late Quentin. I thought he was doing a prison western kind of in the Papillon fashion? Anyway the best ww2 movie is the Big Red One... "If they move...Kill em"
Aug. 28, 2000, 6:27 p.m. CST
Quentin Tarantino said so himself a while ago. He said it was going to be a WW2 movie. So I hope that clarifies your doubt.
Aug. 28, 2000, 6:44 p.m. CST
I didn't state it was a WW2 Flick, I thought he was doing a Western Prison movie...Which probaly takes place in Yuma, Arizona..."hey that reminds me" "Thirty days to get Pike or Thirty days back in Yuma"
Aug. 29, 2000, 2:17 a.m. CST
1) Tarantino is a hack whose movies all look and sound the same 2)QT did his best to try and destroy one of my favorite movies of all time NBK 3)Its good he's finally admitting that he's ripping stuff off, instead of trying to protray himself as the new original thing in Hollywood 4) Read KILLER INSTINCT to find out what a no talent bastard this guy is. QT sucks, as soon as he does something that wasn't already done 20 years ago my opinion will remain the same
Aug. 29, 2000, 3:42 a.m. CST
First of all, you act like I have *never* heard the criticism against Quentin. Wow, thanks for enlightening this misguided soul. But I actually know the criticism and I don't agree with it. Simple. You are just coming here to pick a fight and maybe they should have a talkback called Quentin pro and con which can be devoted to this kind of thing. As to your comments: 1) "Tarantino is a hack whose movies all look and sound the same" Well, a hack is one issue and all "looking the same" is another issue. John Hughes did Pretty in Pink, The Breakfast Club, Sixteen Candles-- he was vibing off the same set of youth angst emotions. I don't think that making movies involving the same emotions is a bad thing. Whether or not you think QT is a hack is a separate issue. 2)"QT did his best to try and destroy one of my favorite movies of all time NBK" Well, why was it one of your favorite movies? Was it Stone's camera movements or the script. You need to give more details as to why you are criticizing QT. 3)"Its good he's finally admitting that he's ripping stuff off, instead of trying to protray himself as the new original thing in Hollywood" Consider the beginning of the Reservoir script is this HUGE list of directors that Quentin admires, I don't think he has denied his influences completely. The whole City on Fire controversy, well, I have not heard QT give his side of the story as to why he didn't mention it. Criticizing him for neglecting to specifically honor City on Fire is valid. 4) "Read KILLER INSTINCT to find out what a no talent bastard this guy is." Well, I like anything Quentin related so I probably will read Killer Instinct, but I doubt that it would make me think he is a no talent. (!) Besides isn't that book written by a bitter Oliver Stone aide? I would just read it as gossip mongering that I wouldn't take too seriously. "QT sucks, as soon as he does something that wasn't already done 20 years ago my opinion will remain the same" I don't understand why you think I care what your opinion of Quentin is.... I don't mind if you hate him. Really.
Aug. 29, 2000, 11:45 a.m. CST
Lots of people can't stand Quentin Tarantino. Lots of people also can't stand swiss cheese, ut no one is up and ranting about how swiss cheese sucks or how much better chedar is than swiss. Bottom line is that QT makes original movies and does them with a style that is all his own (insofar as he has chosen what to rip off and has presented it in a unique way). He's just doing what he wants to do. Just because you don't appreciate his work is no reason to insult it. AND...just cause a guy like Harry loves his work, doesn't make him a suck up. I met Quntin myself at the Toronto Film Festival and i can say it was one of the greatest thrills of my life. The guy just loves film - its all he cares about.
Aug. 29, 2000, 12:43 p.m. CST
If ANYONE but Ving Rhames plays Panthro, there is no God....
Aug. 29, 2000, 12:45 p.m. CST
by Wee Willie
but he makes films and you just watch 'em. (Or should I say you all just bitch about 'em.) I think Quentin is in a holding pattern like Soderberg was after Sex Lies and Videotape. He made a few films that no one saw and then BAM! Out of Sight and he's back on the A list. The same will happen to QT. Love him or hate him, he's a TALENTED MOTHERFUCKER.
Sept. 16, 2000, 9:07 a.m. CST
by Joe FN Film
This is my first time posting and my first time visiting this site so if my comments are a little out dated it's because I've only just read the postings today. I love films. My fave thing in the world to do is go to the video store, browse threw the older movies for as long as I can before the store clerk starts giving me dirty looks. Eventually I'll end up renting something. So I'd say I've seen my share of divercety in films in my very short time on earth. With that sid I must make a comment on something posted a while back (back in agust I think) Skywalker,Anakin said this to some ignorant QT hater: "You'd probably think that George Lucas, one of the most innovative minds in cinema has become a marketing freak like the rest of all those cynical the-Matrix-rules morons that infestate these talkbacks, don't you?" All I have to say to that is: George Lucas is not a great screenwriter/director by any means at all. I'm not saying that he can't come up with a hell-of-a-good story, he just can't write a decent script. Star Wars ep.4 was the only one of the original trilogy he wrote or directed and it also was the last film he wrote/directed up untill last summer's Phantom Pest or menace or whatever, and with good reason. Ep.4 had only two things going for it: 1) A wounderful Sci-fi story in a sci-fi era, and 2) Mind blowing outter space hyper speed visual effects. George knows how make beautaful, eye-candy settings (more so with the planet's exteriors than interiors). His set always look good. But he pretty much lacks in everywhere else as a director. Using unimaginative camera shots and angles. Example: Phantom Menace; When Liam Nison and others are sitting at the kitchen table in Anakin's house type thing, George attemps to show some emotion by cutting back and forth between Anakin and his mother for about a half a minute (whitch seems longer than that to the viewer) while no one at all speaks. In the end giving somewhat of a cheese ball-ish feel. George also lacks an ability to write good dialogue. I mean why do you think George only wrote the stories for ep.5&6, and got some other guys to do actual screenplay and to direct them. Then after more than 20 years writing a actual script or even coming close to a camera Georgey-O-Boy does it all himself, both Writing and Directing Phantom Menace. A film that has only one thing going for it: It's visual effects. The one good scequence (although serving no point other than to show what Skywalker visual and sound or whatever can generate/make with a computer but that can be said for the intire film) was the pod race. If you disregard the dialogue leading up and during that scequence, the pod race looks pretty cool. The whole film is filled with cheesey dialogue and not so subtle racism. (The weird looking green guys who have an alience with the Sith are Japanese) Now that I think about it the whole film is sort of a WW2 renactment in space. The Sith being the Nazi the Emperor is Hitler, the place where Queen Amadala is in charge is England. Jar Jar Binks people's underwater city is the USA. The rest is alittle fuzzy cuz I didn't pay attention durring both history and a good part of the fill but Tattoine is like Spain or one of them nutral countries, I'm not sure if was nutral or not. the big hidg councel in the UN and the Jedi were in the other three so George had to include that into the film. I could be wrong though. Well thats enough ramblingabout that. I also want to say that I'm nothing of a Matrix fan at all, I think it was a nice film to watch but once again just like star wars ep.1 the dialogue was pretty bad and one part of the movie just pissed me off and ruined the rest of the film for me. Oracle my ass. I know my post has nothing to with Tarantino but I really had to get that off my cheast. I am very much a Tarantino fan. He's #1 on my top ten list of directors and writers. Acompanied by: The Coen Bros. Kevin Smith, Sam Raimi and Stanley Kubrick. I also wanna say I don't really like Steven Spielberg's films they all just seem long and boring. ie: Jurassic Park and E.T. If any of you Star Wars "geeks" have a complaint concerning the Truth about your all mighty god Georgey-O-Boy e-mail me at: firstname.lastname@example.org
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