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SILVER SURFER rumor
Hey folks, Harry here. A long time source that provides small nuggets of information has just rung in with a new whisper that is actually quite... enthralling to ponder. Abe Froman is the spy, and the rumor goes like this. Avi Arad and Marvel Entertainment is apparently quite pleased with Andrew Kevin Walker's draft of SILVER SURFER, and well.... Right now they are trying to attach ANG LEE to direct. Now... I just LOVE that idea. Ang Lee, while not the immediate obvious choice... well, the lost introspective nature of the character... the brooding loneliness... the soul that the Silver Surfer just bled on every Kirby page through every Stan Lee bubble of Dialogue and thought balloon.... well... You'll need a director that can push an actor to nail that sort of low key emotionally charged work out... To me, the Silver Surfer always had a strange Cassavetes/Seymour Cassel feel to him... Now don't get me wrong... he's also supposed to be in an eye candy exciting action sort of film as well... But from what we hear in CROUCHING TIGER, HIDDEN DRAGON.... Ang can do that work in his sleep. Ang Lee is not necessarily the immediate thought when thinking THE SILVER SURFER... but he is a fantastic filmmaker of extraordinary talent... I am quite excited at this proposition. I hope Avi and Marvel get their man.
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I just had to say it once, you understand. Anyway, I never liked the Silver Surfer as a comic book character, or as a leading man. He always seemed too removed, too powerful for any real danger. And besides, how can there be a Silver Surfer movie that doesn't also include the Fantastic Four and Galactus? Do you just skip the entire origin and go right to a space battle? Boooooooriiiiing. Make the Fantastic Four movie first.
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Okay, so if this is true, what kind of budget are we talking about? IMO, you can't make a Silver Surfer movie without shelling out the big bucks for special effects. Don't chintz out on this one, Hollywood.
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I think it's very cool that thanks to the success of X-Men, we may finally get to see some long-awaited comic book adaptations on the silver screen. I want Hulk, Ghost Rider, Hellboy, Silver Surfer, and Fantastic Four movies, NOW! Is that too much to ask? As for Ang Lee, I doubt he is the perfect choice, but they could do worse.
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Who ever plays it, he'll probably be replaced by 100% CG, but as a Kevin Bacon-Ahmed Best sort of stand-in, I mean.
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Here's the scoop. The Surfer has it in his power to be SEXY. Really. Naked silver guy... brooding loner. You need the director able to handle that kind of soul-searching... that sexy loneliness. Ang Lee is PERFECT for this. Perfect.
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I gotta sliver one time at band camp.
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If I remember my Marvel comics right, Surfer's homeworld was called Zenn-La, and it never showed up in any comic title other than his own. The inhabitants looked totally human anyway. So putting the film on his homeworld is worthless, it doesn't introduce any important alien races. How exactly will they show how he got his powers if they don't use Galactus? And how can they show how he became a hero without using the Fantastic Four and Alicia Masters? Think this through, Hollywood. Make the FF movie first and THEN introduce the secondary characters. This message has been brought to you by Dave's Committee for Logic in Talkback. Vote Nader. Peace.
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Silver Surfer wouldn't even be around if the Fantastic Four hadn't stood up to Galactus (who should be in the movie, without a doubt). I mean I for one (and I'm sure I'm not the only) love to see the human torch, mr fantastic, invisible woman, and the thing on the screen.
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think about it...
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Silver Surfer was already in a movie! Arnold Schwarzenegger killed him in T2! BTW does anyone else think that Dylan (The Practice) McDermott would make a great Batman?
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Okay auntie, I've finally begun to see your point. The skrulls, and kree would be great as well but the FF should still be in it even if it was just a bit part, like a flashback. Or they could not be necessary by focusing on Galactus and the Surfer before the came to Earth. I take back what I said before, even though I'd still love to see the FF.
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Aug 17, 2000 2:24:53 PM CDT
Ang Lee sounds like as sensible a choice as any. And Rufus Sewe
by superninja
Keep those strictly eye-candy action directors away from superhero flicks. We didn't read the comics for 15+ years because he looked like living silver and had cosmic powers -- we read it because Norrin Radd was a VERY introspective character that was completely different from most heroes around at that time, and had a cast of incredible characters which were also unique. The Silver Surfer has always addressed some rather mature themes, even from the beginning -- alienation, loneliness, purpose, redemption, etc.******I feel Vin Diesel is not right for this part. I like the guy a lot, but just because he's buff and bald doesn't make him right! I'd rather see Diesel as Galactus (someone brought this up before) using perhaps Pete Jackson's LOTR techniques.******The Surfer is a VERY emotional guy, but at the same time is emotionally distant to those around him. I feel this requires a certain type of actor. What about Billy Crudup (Jesus' Son, Without Limits)? Daniel Day Lewis? Ralph Fiennes? Jason Patric? Actually, I think RUFUS SEWELL would be pretty damn incredible in the part. He looks dead-on like Norrin from the comics.
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We're looking at some serious retooling of the lore. Will Norrin Radd attain the power cosmic and then later become Galactus's herald? Will this be the adventures of the Surfer in another part of the galaxy, however many thousands of years ago before he and Galactus ever met? The Surfer on modern day Earth would have to skip the entire Galactus thing entirely. That would be a shame, because the airborne battle between him and the Human Torch is one of the most indelible images and memorable events from the infancy of Marvel. I think The Surfer, realistically, is at least two movies and six years away from his own movie. FF part one will be the FF vs Doom. The Second FF movie can be the Galactus story (Although where do you go from there? They may want to save that for the third film.) Then we can have a Surfer movie. I think they're jumping the gun on this one.
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Best thing to do would definetly be to use lesser known actors like Rufus Sewell. Thats almost perfect to because the looks are uncannyily simalar to Norrin Radd. But onto Galactus. We'd need to have someone very stoic to play him. Any suggestions...
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He's a special effect! He'll have a voice that will be one actor, a stuntman that will provide the animation reference, a stand-in in a green, matte-me-out-of-the-shot-suit for the other actors to interact with, and then a team of animators and technical directors and programmers who will assemble the collection of ones and zeros that will be the surfer. Maybe if we see Norrin before he became the surfer would we need an actor that looked anything like him.
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If not go rent it and groove to the Silver Surfer dude who at the end of the movie after Dark Star blows up Surfs Away into Space on a piece of surfboard-shaped debris... This was back when Carpenter was talented and Fun! Dan O'Bannon co-wrote the movie and played the Silver Surfer dude and it was truly hilarious!
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The Power Cosmic, which is a sort of amorphous power harnessed from the stars which permits the Surfer to fire energy bolts, etc. And, of course, he's got that flashy board which obeys his mental commands. The near-omnipotence of his powers dictates who must be in such a movie; he can't fight mere mortals or just mortal aliens, like the Kree, or there won't be sufficient dramatic tension. It's the same problem encountered by the Superman movies, but there's no Kryptonite. Simply put, Galactus and other super-powered beings, like the FF or Super-Skrull, are essential. His origin could be told via flashback, but an FF-less movie will be incoherent.
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Naaaaaaaa
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WWith all these comic book adaptions coming out when can I see the one I really wanna see? Johnny the Homicidal Maniac directed by David Fincher or Darren Aronofsky, starring Johnny Depp. Someone give me $50 million.... please???
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Cool. Such an obscure source with such obscure information must be respected.
"Yes, Mr. Frohman, this is the Chicago Police Department..."
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Seriously, the majority of this would be compter-generated effects anyway, why bother making a "movie." Get Lassiter to direct and make it 100% cool.
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some fanboy OR Bryan Singer. Jesus fucking Christ. Why Ang Lee? What Nora Ephron wasn't available?
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This is my first talkback - I can't hold my tongue anymore - If the Galactus vs. Fantastic Four story was told mainly from the point of view of the silver surfer, it would make a great basis for the movie -- the hardest parts would be quickly telling their origins. Silver Surfers origin could be mentioned in passing, and that would set us up for a SS prequel, while the F4's abbreviated origin could be narrated by Galactus while he's explaining their presence to SS. That would leave room for a Fantastic Four sequel and/or a live-action F4 TV series.
Two more comments, though, that I don't think anyone has ever touched on while discussing these super hero films... what time-period should they be set in? And what about TV spin-offs? Everyone, including Marvel, Hollywood AND the fans, seems to assume that all super-hero films should be set in the present. What if they were set in the 1950's, 60's , 70's or 80's? The two best examples I can think of are Captain America and Iron Man. Captain America, for example, damn well better take place during WWII. And Bucky damn well better frigging DIE. Iron-Man could have MANY different iterations - not only movies - I'm imagining a long story line that is fleshed out over the years, with more and more tidbits of information added every episode, punctuated by major developments in movies, like in The X-Files TV series. God, what I would give to see Tony Stark walking through a vault full of older versions of his armor, reminiscing about the adventures he had in each suit of armor, at different points in time... the old "Magnum PI" series comes to mind, with the Avengers frequently being used as guest-stars on Iron Man like Magnum used Higgins and his friends to help him out at times. And any of the Marvel characters can be translated to a TV series - "The Fantastic Four" may not become the next "Friends"...but it could be the next "Power Rangers". (Sick thought, huh?)
I just hope that Hollywood doesn't change what already works in the comics - I would love to see the main story arcs of each of the comics brought to life on screen. No one needs to ever write a new story - just translate the good ones to the screen. And last of all, was I the only one who saw "Batman and Robin" hoping to hear Robin say, at least once..."Holy Shit Batman!"? Was I? -
Have you ever noticed how much time they spend talking to themselves ? Pick up any Spiderman comic book and you'll find out........you have this guy with unique powers, and he goes 'round muttering to himself.....ALL THE TIME ! What's even more worrying is the fact that the Surfer can destroy planets with the Power Cosmic...why not "Cosmic Power" dude ? Dyslexia ? Anyhow, I realise maybe he gets lonely out there in space, on his surfboard...but all the time, it's yaddayaddayaddayadda !
Worrying, to say the least. Oh, and if Pixar aren't doing it, I ain't bothering. How the hell could anyone ever build a set that looked vaguely like anything Jack Kirby drew ? I still think Neal Adams was the better artist. -
Great a Silver Surfer movie; well maybe Hollywood will make the changes we all love so much. I know lets change him from Silver Surfer to Black Surfer, because lets face it, Black looks better than silver. And lets lose that 70's Surfer type thing and replace it with, oh I don't know, maybe some sort of Xtreme athelete of the 90's. So he could be the Black Mountain Biker, it is so close to Silver Surfer, no one would care, right. And lets lose all that boring stuff that's in the comics, it is so hard to explain in real life. Who would believe it anyway, So what if Stan Lee had his vision. I'm sure this new director has his own story to tell, and who better to do it with than the Silver Surfer, oh sorry the Black Mountain Biker. If you do not believe these type of changes will happen then your crazy. For 20 years we have been told the true Spiderman would be brought to film; and now look how much they changed him. Do you think the Silver Surfer will get any more respect than Spiderman? I for one , do think think so
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This movie could serve as a basis to introduce the character, to show how he came to be the silver surfer. If you just straight threw him into a story with earth there wouldn't be enough character developement. This would be a good opportunity to showcase his lonely and tormented existence serving Galactuse. Then you leave it open for a sequel, while in the meantime the FF movie can be released and then you can have the story crossover of how he became a hero.
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Why do we need to see the Fantastic Four in this film?The Silver Surfer apparently served Galactus for hundreds of years before finding Earth and the FF.How about having Galactus fall ill because of a plot by Thanos, or the Elders of the Universe and have the Surfer have to find out why his master is gravely sick etc.There is even that living planet called Ego that would be an interesting villian.Patrick Stewart is the Silver Surfer!!He has the regal voice,acting chops and of course the right look.Keep this story set in outer space please and have a cool person for Galactus's voice a la Darth Vader.James Earl Jones,Laurence Fishburne or heck maybe Sean Connery.Spend at least $50 million on the effects and cast a bunch of unknowns in the villians role and as Shala Bal.I read a copy of a Silver Surfer script a few years ago where he fights tanks and planes on Earth and it was the biggest piece of shit ever!!!Hopefully the powers that be will hire a director with skill handling effects and actors such as Ridley Scott. also please make sure that the screenwriter is someone who actually knows the source material!!
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Okay, we all know that Galactus and the FF are an essential part of the history of the Silver Surfer. Any comic fan will tell you this (I'm one of them, having collected comics for 15 years) but we all know that deep down you don't need the FF to tell the story. What was it that drove Norrin Radd to become the SS? He sacrificed his future with his loved one to SAVE HIS HOMEWORLD. This part of the story has nothing to do with Earth or the FF. Hollywood, of course, if they are smart, will realize this and utilize it for the story. Galactus and the Surfer can then come to Earth for Galactus to feed, then the Surfer can learn about humanity (blah, blah) and turn on Galactus who bans him from ever going back to his home planet. End of story. Sequels in the works, ad nauseum. The FF were only there to fight off Galactus and the Surfer, they had nothing to do with the Surfer's origins. Therefore they are not a necessary plot element for the movie. And my vote for the Surfer would be Billy Zane. He looks great with the chrome dome!
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I would personally like the Fantastic Four in the movie. Maybe Sue Richard could accidently make her clothes go invisible before she does. Do I see post Hollow Man tech? It could happen.
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Silver Surfer won't sell. You can't get the audience to justify the budget. Try Fantastic 4 FIRST, and THEN intro SS in the SEQUEL.
Why? it's the narrative intro that's going to pull that chunk of the Marvel Universe in, and you can't bring in that much through the back door of SS. With FF, you've got all the banter and byplay of the main characters, you've got the fab toys, and the hefty-enough CGI of the Human Torch and Ben Grimm. Silver Surfer would almost have to be 100% CGI and the expense can't justify the audience, unless the audience were already PROVEN.
Or did you forget they make these movies to make money?
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Kirby Silver Surfer RULES! I dunno, I have a tough time seeing the Surfer being successfully translated to the big screen. Especially with some of the long-winded dialogue he's so fond of spouting. The flowery stuff might fly in the comics, but on the screen I would imagine it would sound pretty damn hokey. Not to mention the fact that the actor would pretty much have to be constantly CGI-ed for the silver skin. 'Don't think it's gonna fly.
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Just when you thought there was hope for comic book based movies being a viable genre in the industry, somebody's gotta pull an idea like a Silver Surfer movie outta their ass. Let's face facts: the average Joe goes to the movie and shells out his eight bucks, he wants to see the guy in the tights kickin' ass and takin' names, not cruising around the trackless void of space moping and soliloquizing like some angst-ridden teenager. Sure, the sight of nebulae and comets sparkling off ol' Norrin's non-stick coating would be real purty for about five minutes. But there's not enough action and "meat" to hang on the character to generate the kind of blockbuster box office receipts needed to pay for the damn thing, and it would be spreading the movie too thin to try to draw in all the stuff needed (like the Fantastic Four and Alicia Masters and whatnot) to make the movie coherent and entertaining for the non-fanboys who mean the difference between a hit and a miss. Maybe someday, but the general public has to be conditioned into seeing superheroes as more than just a "kids'" genre -- and that means topics with a broad appeal, like Wesley Snipes bustin' caps and kickin' vampire ass, or iconic figures like Spiderman or (if the franchises could be salvaged) Superman and Batman.
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Stick to the comics...we don't need no stinkin' movie.
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some changes to the history is a must.The SS is the first comic I brought and although much of him hasn't been seen in the Marvel universe latly he's still my favorite character.I'm proberly one of a few of his diehard fans,and though I would love for his history and orgin remain unchanged I'm realistic enough to know that he's not that popular of a character, and some changes are in order to make him appeal to the mainstream audience.
First off the FF aren't really needed in an SS movie(it would be nice to see them and the SS together though)if the story takes place after his encounter with the FF and earth. The movie could focus on his adventures after earth as he struggles to regain his lost humanity while helping those in need to attone for his crimes while in service to Galactus( I know it sounds hokey but it could be cool)and he could mention how his experiance with humans changed him. I know this would be a drastic change but they could have the SS's orgin start from earth instead of Zenn-la,but that'll piss of comic fans so it may not go over well.
As for how the SS should look on the big screen...personally he should have his silver look when in space and fight scenes and a human apperance when he's interacting with other characters
and is planetside or on a ship as to not to alarm people. I think this is the way to go, because a totally CGI SS for the entire movie would be to costly and theirs other cool FX stuff thats needs to be in this film... so this would be fine by me. I read a review of Walker's draft and he had the Skrulls as the villians and Galactus was the climax of the movie so we only actually see him at the end but he was talked about before the SS big showdown with him at the end. I think the review was on IGN but they thought it was pretty good and with a good director the movie could come out great. I hope the guys working on the SS pull it together and put out a cool flick.
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ilm can do the effects like they did for the asian pepsiman comercials, i mean he already looks like silver surfer (if you don't know PEPSIMAN your missing out, one of the funniest and best campaigns ever, it's a shame we don't have it in america check it out at http://www.pepsi.co.jp) and that's low budget stuff it would be really cool, but i'd rather just see pepsiman the movie!
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Patrick Stewart as the Silver Surfer?! Um, here's the thing. *Whispers to midgard* "anyone can be bald if they take a razor to their head". As for acting...Norrin is alien, not British. Whenever Stewart plays an American (like Ben Kingsley), he comes across as smarmy. I invite you to prove me wrong (but please don't use Jeffrey).
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will he start whistling now? (what song was it that he whistled? anyway great old movie!)
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I do. Nice Peter Lorre Harry, i always thought you had a streak of child-murdering in you...:)
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..."In The Hall of the Mountain King". A minute or two of internet research revealed to me that the composer was a Norwegian fellow named Edvard Grieg (1843-1907). Fascinating! Yeah, I love that evil little tune, used to good effect recently in the teaser for "The Grinch". Hmm, know what'd be cool? Dressing as Peter Lorre from "M" for Halloween. Black coat and hat and a big ol' chalk "M" on your back. Of course, no one would get it, but you'd be the coolest child murderer at the party!
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retold the surfers history without the FF. It was going to be the basis of a film proposed back in the early eighties Or late seventies (I forget). I think it was gonna star Olivia Newton John, but would've made a cool film anyway. I don't know if it's ever been back in print, but it's pretty cool.
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Aug 18, 2000 9:43:07 AM CDT
OLIVIA NEWTON JOHN! What the hell's she got to do with the Silve
by spider15
Anyone else remember that about twenty years ago another Silver Surfer movie was being proposed with Olivia Newton-John (yes, THAT ONJ)up for the female lead? Those old enough or with good memories back me up: I'm NOT bullshitting.
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Wow. Ang Lee. The Man who go Jewel to expose her umm...tatas on screen. And, a great character director too! If CTHDragon is half the movie it has been made out to be then Ang could do great things with the Silver Surfer film. And if I may throw my pick for the title role into the squard circle. You folks may hate this one, but I gotta pull for Nick Cage. he's been attached to like every other superhero film out there, but has been appropriate for none of them. But tell me he doesn't have a certain spooky otherworldly quality essential for any actor to bring to Norrin Radd. Cage's deep set eyes fairly BLEED grace and melancholy. And, Cage could finally do a role without having to wear one of those nasty hair pieces. Seriously, give him his con air bod, his oscar caliber performances, no hair, and a silver paint job. Norrin Radd in the HOUSE! As for the fellow that suggested Dylan McDermot as Batman, I have to say the same thought has crossed my mind. I also like Kyle Chandler for the part. Howerver, the one and only pick for BATMAN in the history of cinema is Gregory Peck. He was born for the role, and sadly at this point is to old even to grace us with Dark Night. Without Peck in the role, I've got to give it to Chris Noth of Homicide and now Sex in the city. he's kind-of porked up since the early Homicide days but the guy has the perfect hawkbilled intensity for an aging Bruce Wayne of Dark Night. Get the brother in shape. A little grey hair and lets make the movie already! Anyway, on with the rest of the jibber jabber.
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Hey Dudes, How about this gnarly idea I've been bouncing around in my so-cal sun-roasted head: Let's just change everything - the big-screen Silver Surfer will be, like, this totally cool pro-surfer who used to boink Pamela Anderson, but, like, he had to stop that when he got chromed by Galactus in return for the big dude not, like, totally wiping out earth, man. Talk about sacrifice and loneliness, man...now THAT'd make a far-out movie-premise that MIGHT actually sell...at least to a hollywood producer. Dudes.
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......I hunger for thee.
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Why the heck is this guy riding around space on a surf board anyways. Did he used to be in some kind of Water Show? I just don't get it!
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Hey where is it written that an alien has to have an american accent?Have you ever seen a small film called STAR WARS?I seem to recall a few "aliens"in that film talking with a distinct clipped British accent.While i do concede that anyone could shave their head and get the part,such as Billy Zane who has been mentioned before,i would rather see Stewart who is classically trained, and i think a very fine actor.There is probably little chance this film will ever be made anyway so i don't want to start a smackdown over casting.The reality is to do this film justice will probably require a total CGI film like Final Fantasy and any "acting" would be voice overs.
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Aug 18, 2000 9:13:43 PM CDT
You know who should play THE SILVER SURFER? David Faustino of Ma
by samthelion
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