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Wanna TALK BACK About HOLLOW MAN'!

Published at: Aug. 5, 2000, 12:42 p.m. CST by staff

Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some rumblings from the Lab.

Well, the Mad Dutchman's at it again, everyone. What did you think? Remember... this is a TALK BACK for people who have seen the film, so there are bound to be spoilers. NO CRYING IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET!!

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  • Aug. 5, 2000, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Hollow Movie

    by tater

    OK, after seeing Palmetto a few years back, I made a promise to myself to never "pay" for a movie starring Elisabeth Shue or Woody Harrelson ever again. Sure, they had delivered some decent performances in the past, but after that horrid waste-of-my-time I had no respect for either of them or their abilities. Well, I broke my promise to myself last night and God, I wished that I always kept my promises. OK, first off, yeah the special effects kicked ass. But, I read Alexandra DuPont's review of it and she didn't make it sound 'too horrible'. I also read the article she posted at the end of her review comparing Hollywood FX blockbusters to porn. May I just say that this is EXACTLY what this was. No intelligent dialogue, no intelligent script, no inspired performances, just enough of each to get to the next "skin scene" (or in this case lack thereof). The audience I saw it with was cackling out loud at the ridiculously over-dramatic dialogue and the no-talent way in which they were delivered. Damn, I'm just pissin myself off some more. Save your money, save your time. You have been warned.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 1:14 p.m. CST

    by THE WALLACE

    Was the movie bad?...no ...but it wasn't good either. But much like Porn It doesn't matter if the dialogue is corny or the acting sub-par you're not there for these things. I knew it was Paul "What's your damage rico?" Verhoeven, so I just went to see cool effects, and dammit did they deliver. If you want to just see effects, the best stuff is in the first half so just walk out after that. Or wait till video where, much like porn, you can hit the fast foerward button ("skip" if you have DVD)--ohhhhhh I wonder if the DVD for this will have multi-angle on the SFX scenes....porm DVDs are cool!!! Omicron if you're reading this you know what I mean....

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 1:17 p.m. CST

    dammit, i enjoyed it

    by u2jcheck

    ok, so maybe its not the most original movie in the world and some of the characters act stupidly toward the end BUT i still enjoyed it. it is good on many levels including sci fi, horror and action. i can't think of the last good action movie i have seen (true lies?) but this delivers a few exciting action sequences that seem cameron-esqe. might not be the best movie out there right now but it has to be better than coyote "cocktail ripoff" ugly.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Was it any good?

    by ZIFE

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Was it any good?

    by ZIFE

    Sorry folks, hit the enter button accidently. Anyway, Hollow Man wasn't the best movie the came out this summer and is also wasn't the worst (Battlefield Earth). Hollow Man had some positve things in it, such as the SFX, which were great, some of the best that I have seen in long while. Next to that, I found nothing good except for a few jokes, the one with the horny superman/wonder woman/invisble man/ was a classic. Like the other feedback's before, I found that this movie was like softcore porn for young teenagers. Hey, but I did find entertaining, so if get a chance go see during a maintee, save your money for The Cell, it better be a good movie.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Why must Kevin Bacon insist on being nude?

    by DisneyGeek

    Disney Geek is back and on the attack! The Hollow Man? More like Hollow Movie! The only redeeming quality about this filk was it's special effects...and the good ones were already shown in the trailors and on tv! Elizabeth Shue was ok as a female MacGuyver, but she is so much better than this drivel. And I think everyone agrees with me when I say WE ARE TURED OF NUDE SHOTS OF KEVIN BACON!!!! I'm gay for Christ's sake and Kevin Bacon naked is like seeing that naked guy on Survivor: YUCK! Put on a thong at least, damn! Save your cash. You'll thank us all later.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Hollow Script

    by william gull

    what the hell happened with this movie? it starts out well, exploring the immorality that would take place in the power of invisibility, but man then it it just turns into a generic slasher flick with bad, cliched one liners. This is total horeshit. i guess its a good thing i havent been looking forward to this for months, otherwise i would have been really let down. Oh wait. i have been. and i was. Fuck this movie

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Waste of time

    by 2GOLD

    Just a bad movie in almost all areas. Ok, the effects were good but that alone couldn't save this film. The acting was sick just like the script and the one joke is a classic, meaning it's soo old that it wasn't even funny. That Wonder/Super/Invisible joke is so damn old I almost screamed when a person near me said, "That was the best joke I've heard, original man." It wasn't original, it was old just like this piece of crap film. And the potential for horror was just killed by those stupid-through the eyes of Bacon- angles that just took away from the film. Wait for DVD, save yourself from the pain that is Hollow Man

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Invisible penis....

    by Moviemate

    seems that the only thing i remember about this movie is when Elizabeth shue gets something hard and invisible rubbed against her lips...that was not only erotic and arousing but it showed that the srength of this movie was n't so much in the special effects but the things it left to the IMAGINATION which it never really capitalised on...instead it seemed to be trying to dazzle us so we would forget how unlikable all the characters were (Phantom menace pulled off the same kinda trick) You will enjoy this movie if you dont expect too much and understand Hollowman is not in the same league as robocop or even StarShip Troopers both of which really explored the idea of how advanced technology shapes society. Q:How could this movie have been better? A:Kevin bacon should have toned down all those "I am God" remarks until he actually BECAME invisible and given us the chance to empathise with him. watch jeff Goldblum in THE FLY to see what Im talking about.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 2:30 p.m. CST

    This film will help save Hollywood

    by Schnyder

    Think about it. The movie will survive based on it's FX alone. Because we love FX movies, we're always willing to shell out a few bucks to see something we've never seen before. That's what this movie plays on. The story and acting is ridiculous... For a moment, I thought I was watching the entire cast of Twister in action again. Maybe Jan de Bont and Verhoeven are lovers. But this movie, and the upcoming 'Final Fantasy', will save Hollywood because it will demonstrate that ANYTHING can be convincingly realized through digital effects. Once we've seen Final Fantasy -- we've seen everything. From that point on, movies will have to lure us in with more cerebral treats... great, unpredictable, and original storylines, and good ol' top-notch film-making.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 2:40 p.m. CST

    missing scene

    by kingTJ

    What happened to the scene where a girl slowly brings down a sheet over bacon's head? It's in the previews but not in the movie

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 2:43 p.m. CST

    At least it didn't star Eric Roberts

    by Metatron

    Ok, this wasn't the worst film Paul Verhoeven ever made (ahem, that would be Showgirls)... but, it had lots of shitty components to it. First of all, scientists, even those under funding from the federal government don't make enough money to buy $90,000 cars. They also, being scientists, generally don't pay as much attention to their bodies and wardrove as this bunch apparently does. This film had some incredible effects that, well, really were based on extrapolating from very basic effects (chroma key and rotoscoping, for those who are familiar with the lingo) rather than developing entirely new techniques. So, it's not an entirely revolutionary fx film. It's definitely not a revolutionary plot... Hell, sometimes I wonder if Village of the Damned wasn't more original than this. Ok, so these scientists develop a procedure for making animals invisible... a concept that was previously revisited by Chevy Chase (tell me if THAT in itself isn't a warning sign). So, not only are the scientists good looking and well paid, but they also have absolutely no concept of morality... which, I guess in one way makes them perfect candidates for department of defense contracting. But that doesn't bother me half as much as mindboggling inconsistencies of just plain logic. I can buy that there's a team of scientists headed by some egotistical maniac who has his own ideas about what to do with this new discovery. For some reason, they have a freezer room with a shatterproof plexiglass window. Why, I don't know? But nowhere else in this top secret complex do they seem to use anything but very breakable glass. Of course there was the momentary cliche reference to Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World"... a reference that has been overused one too many times, and inappropriately so by people who more than likely never read the book. Here's a rule of thumb for you morons in Hollywood... no matter how many times you make reference to revered works of art in a shitty film, it's still shit. Ok, and what's with the fact that the morons can't seem to decide, despite the fact that there's an invisible maniac on the loose, whether or not to keep their infrared goggles on... or take them off... on... off... on... off... Also, is it just me or is Kevin Bacon the only one who thinks the world wants desperately to see his shriveled pickle? Another stupid premise is that genetically herbivorous animals like the gorilla will, suddenly, in one instant, decide to become carnivorous just because they're invisible? What, does being invisble also instantaneously modify your gastrointestinal tract and metabolism to allow you to eat foods that aren't in your diet? Apparently, this is the same biological law that makes it possible for an invisible man to survive 3rd degree burns and still manage to chase the scientists, rather than collapse in horrifying pain. Oh yes, apparently somehow sulph+uric acid makes nitroglycerin more explosive... (Kevin Bacon was preparing explosives, and he grabbed not only nitro but also a bottle of sulphuric acid). The sulphuric acid was essential in the exploding mixture, but somehow didn't seem to melt anything on contact as it usually does in my universe. Don't get me wrong, this was a relatively cool FX film... but the biggest problem is, it takes itself way too seriously for a film that, by no stretch of the imagination, has a list of logical flaws that make Mike Tyson seem like a man of reasonable intelligence. At least Robocop was a cool FX film for its time, was campy, and pretty gooddamn funny if you ask me. This wasn't funny, it wasn't campy like Starship Troopers. It wasn't bad acting, just bad plot, and lots of stupid logic. Pretty much the only two uses for it are 1) If you have absolutely nothing to do, and have a few free movie passes, or 2) it gives us "Adventures in Babysitting" (Elisabeth Shue) as another link in the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon game.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Really, it wasn't that bad.

    by Nordling

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Sorry, hit enter...damn!

    by Nordling

    It was fun, and goofy. I mean, Verhoeven's never going to make the next Citizen Kane or anything. It was just fun and goofy. I enjoyed it. Don't take it so seriously, and you might too. It's a Corman movie with a budget. That's all.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 2:53 p.m. CST

    This year's VFX oscar

    by Dirty

    'Hallow Man' or 'The Perfect Storm' for best VFX. Personally, I think it could go either way. Both films would have been agonizing to develope and complete. And they both used technology to show us visuals we had never seen before. Should be another good race at the oscars.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Oh, a couple more stupid things...

    by Metatron

    This film was a cool premise, but... I keep thinking about a couple things... is Kevin Bacon impervious to high voltage? And why exactly did the scientists wait until they were about to die in a fiery explosion to use the elevator shaft ladder which they knew about from the very beginning? It's an interesting study in human nature, what people would do if they had the power to be invisible... but it's also a study in stupid human nature... what genius scientists would do if they were trapped in the underground of a building which they've been inhabiting for years and apparently have no clue how to get out of until the whole place is just about to explode. So basically, its a film about corruption of genius scientists who can make invisibilty but can't find their way out of a building they know better than anyone else. They have maps to show them the entire layout of the place, but they spend most of their time trying to hunt down an invisible maniac, instead of getting out of the complex they're trapped in... oh, and did I mention all this time they have a computerized map of the entire ccmplex? Nah, forget saving our lives... let's go chase an invisible naked guy so the camera can catch more infrared shots of his balls. Oh, by the way, what's with the 9000 computer monitors, half of which show the exact same data? Apparently, Paul Verhoeven comes from the FX school of "more computer displays means cooler sci-fi film." I'm glad I went to this movie for free.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 2:57 p.m. CST

    parting shot

    by Metatron

    It's a really sad thing when, in retrospect, you enjoyed a cliche film about four geezer astronauts more than the latest Paul Verhoeven tits-and-explosions flick.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 3:13 p.m. CST

    WHAT THE HELL? HUGE PLOTHOLE HERE!

    by Metatron

    Hey, I just realized something some of you may already have figured out. We already know the light passes through his eyelids. So, how can he see since light passes through his entire body, INCLUDING his retinas?

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Verhoeven is Truly a Sadistic Misogynistic Fuckwad who Deserves

    by Bari Umenema

    The Marquis de Sade-Verhoeven is exposed for the dastardly prick he is at Salon.Com -- Hey Paul -- GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU SADISTIC MISOGYNISTIC HEMORHOID ASSHOLE. Oh also, could you please read my script? It's about a Director from Holland who's the world's biggest fucking asshole! He comes to Hollywood and makes SADISTIC MISOGYNISTIC movies and everyone LOVES HIM to death. I'm thinking Gary Coleman to star, Renny Harlin to win for Best Director... Hey at least Harry still loves you Mr. Dutch Master...

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 3:20 p.m. CST

    One of the best of the summer!

    by GravyAkira

    In a summer full of disappointments this one lived up to the hype. This, X-Men, and Gladiator are my favorites of the summer. Oh, and by the way, MI:2 kicked ass, so get off Woos ass. Windtalkers will be the movie of 2001

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Hollow Editing

    by swavill

    I can't get over the feeling that somewhere on a cutting room floor is the heart and soul of this film. The visible invisible special effects using water, smoke,steam,blood and even a fire extinguisher were excellent. The gradual fade to invisibility looked like something you'd see on a discovery channel special (cool but not spectacular). From the reviews i've read I expected this to be a little more disturbing then it actually was. The scene with the dog was CGI seen as infrared video and what Bacon threw against the wall could have been a wet towel for all I could tell. The fondling of a corpse turned out to be more a case of him wiping the blood off of his hands on the girls chest after he killed her. Since they supposedly cut the invisible rape scene why did they bother with his visit to the girls apartment it left a big gaping hole in the movie.If they were going to cut it they should have cut it all. I could understand them cutting this part if it were an original concept that they thought might be too disturbing for audiences,but it's been done before. Years ago in a film called "The Entity" and very grafically I might add. The end of the movie also bothered me. I could understand him going back to the lab and trying to kill everyone if he were really piised off at all of them. Or if he got his kicks by killing people. But doing it under the pretense of covering his tracks was kind of stupid. He's invisible for christ's sake all he has to do is pick a direction and leave. How the hell would they ever find him? The movie's major problem was editing it has spots in it where I half expected to see a big pair of scissors cutting across the screen. Overall the movie was entertaining. The FX make it worth seeing,but its a one timer. I would be interested in seeing a directors cut though.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Good point...

    by surchud

    That's a very good point, about the retinas. I've never heard anyone raise that issue before, for an invisible man flick. But, maybe his retinas would still register an image as light passed through them... like a reflection on a window. I don't know. Hey, if y'all haven't seen "Diary of an Invisible Man" with Chevy Chase, you should. Not an altogether bad movie, and fun, too. Certainly better than Hollow Man.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 3:34 p.m. CST

    50% cool, 50% repugnant

    by Obscure Homage

    The first half of HM was pretty swell, but once The Hollow Bacon goes insane the movie pretty much derails and never recovers. It's a shame too, because during the buildup in the first half I was almost convinced that it was leading up to something extraordinary. Collective sighs engulfed the audience I saw it with when the film rapidly deteriorated into a run of the mill slasher flick where Kevin stalks his friends. And why the bloody hell was the movie set almost entirely in that goddamn underground fortress?!? All in all, I'd have to reccomend it to anyone who is a fan of elaborate special effects. The fx work here is unreal, but it's almost depressing because it was used to service a concept that was just as hackeneyed as every other movie this summer. The screenplay, by End of Days scribe--and potential candidate for 2000's Avika Goldsman--Andrew Marlowe is laughable. The film starts off on a fun note, and then it goes downhill with each advancing reel. ARGH!! Paul Verhoven is still a god, but (no pun intended) he should've seen through this crap when he read it. Like I said before, the fx are amazing, there are some very effective scenes, but overall it's ANOTHER big summer 2k disappointment. Better luck next year I guess.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Verhoeven is a psycho!!!

    by utz_world

    this boy needs prayer. i've tolerated his steady stream of sex and violence...heck i even think Starship Troopers deserves a sequel...but this time his crazy ass crossed the line. this movie is way way more offensive than Scary Movie or Me Myself & Irene. a very very disturbing movie from a very very disturbed individual.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 3:40 p.m. CST

    It was a better read....

    by Devils Halo

    What the movie lacks are a lot of things that were left in the script. And this was relatively too tame for it to have been a true moral impact. The non-existant rape-scene and it's quick dismissal after the fact... sebastian starting off as an asshole to which no one can associate with... this could have been a good film about the making of a monster... about the process of the overwhelming power that consumes caine, but it falls flat. all this film did is fill the spaces with eye candy. the film wasn't given the chance that it deserved and felt like verhoeven was restrained from unleashing his true vision. and what was up with using that god awful scene of shue in the restaurant? couldn't they have reshot that? her limp was atrocious, but i give her credit for trying to fight thru the pain of her torn achilles. i guess i've seen the final three nominations for VFX oscar next year.... dinosaur, perfect storm and hollowman...

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 3:41 p.m. CST

    THIS FILM ROCKED!!!

    by EL Duderino

    Screw what the critics think! This film just kicked ass!! Yeah, the movie really could have been more suspenseful, and the pov shots took away a lot from the suspense, but the film still rocked like few others this summer! And the ending was just beyond awesome! Forget PERFECT STORM for best SFX!! THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE!!! Note: I went into this film expecting to not think it was great, kind of like I was seeing a lesser version of deep blue sea. This attitude really helps, though it didn't help one bit when I saw Phantom Menace, but that's another story.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 4:17 p.m. CST

    hollowman

    by Grimas

    I saw hollow man yesterday and had this reaction. It was fun seeing the gorillia and kevin Bacon transform to and from invisibility.I really enjoyed the special effects.The ending started to steal familiar scenes we have all seen before in alien or aliens.It was a run of the mill action/horror movie.I would recommend seeing it once for the special effects alone.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Hollow Story/Movie/Characters

    by drgonzo321

    I was oh-so-dissapointed by Verhoeven's Hollow Man. I'd been graciously expecting and anticipating it for a long time, and being a fan of past Verhoeven films, I would have expected better. Although, blame does not necessarily lie with Paul..it's in the script. The script itself was Hollow. The characters had no anima...no life...no reason (or poor reason). It was predictable, cheesy and absolutely not scary or suspenseful. Yes, the effects and CGI were a saving grace, as it had some of the more interesting visuals I've seen. But not THAT much of a saving grace. On a scale of 1 to 5 I'd give Hollow man a lowly 2, MAYBE a 2 1/2 if I was feeling amourous.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Hollow Script Nothin'

    by Fan-Freak

    Man, It was in the vein of the original "Invisible Man". The script (an early draft of which you can read at www.simplyscripts.com/gh.html - look for 'hollow man') of which there were changes for the final movie, came out well.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 4:32 p.m. CST

    The ending

    by reedog

    The ending was my biggest problem with Hollow Man. I really, really, really wanted the Hollow Man to win. Bacon was by far the most enjoyable character in the movie. I could give give a shit less about Elizabeth Shue or Josh Brolin. I wanted the Hollow Man to kill them and maybe spare that tubby guy from Felicity and make him a cohort while he walks around invisible doing all sorts of fucked up things. Like a Hannibal Lector thing where you leave the theater knowing "he's still out there." Instean they went with the slap-happy Hollywood ending that was utterly predictable and totally dissapointing. Too bad.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Kevin Bacon's 2nd Friday the 13th Movie

    by madamimadam

    A massive disappointment. The special effects were great, but great special effects servicing a by-the-numbers slasher movie is wasteful. Plus, Josh Brolin says he can't go from point A to point C, that he needs to go A to B to C. This movie barely has an A, no B, and C is a horror "climax" where characters are killed in ways not seen since Jason Voorhees killed all those kids on a boat to New York City. It's too bad Kevin Bacon went thru what must have been hell (though if I hear his anecdote about the computer not having enough data to read his crotch I'll scream).

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Another bad movie in a long list of bad movies this year

    by Obi Wan's Clone

    Damn if this year doesn't suck with either horrible movies or movies that don't live up to their expectation and turn out to just be "ok" but nothing special. This one really had me going for the first hour then it just deteriated into a festering pile of dung. I mean really was this invisible man or invinsible man? Why is it that no matter what sort of burns, water, blood, steam, or whatever was poured on him he was still invisible again in six seconds? Ok, I can see water evaporating fairly quickly but he had no time to wash the blood of him and even if he did it would be extremely difficult to get it all off. Don't get me started about the blow torch burning off all his flesh and him still having more strenght then any mortal. Damn I can't wait for this year to be over. I can count the decent movies on one hand... X-Men, Frequency (somewhat annoying though with it's plot holes), High Fidelity, and Erin Brokovich. That's it. Those will probably be the only recent movies I'll buy when they are out on DVD.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 4:55 p.m. CST

    This is just too damn frustrating

    by fladnaG

    The special effects are very well done. That's it. The rest of the movie was dry, predictable, and all together bad. My big beef's with the film are the acting, the dialogue, and the illogical factor. Yes I know that there has to be a willing suspension of disbelief. I'm able to go along with that. But the man received third degree burns on his entire body, was cracked over the head with a crow bar, and was electrocuted, but still managed to chase down Elizabeth Shue. The only people who will enjoy this movie are the same sheep who flocked to see MI-2 and WHAT LIES BENEATH. God those were horrible movies and Hollow Man is no exception.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Wasn't too bad, until ...

    by timmer33

    Hey everyone. This film wasn't too bad until the electrocution scene. Weren't they all standing in 2 inches of water? HELLO!!! Hollywood is messed up. How can they not understand the problems with a scene as it's being written, let alone as it's being filmed. Shouldn't Verhoeven have scratched his head during this sequence and said, "Wait a minute. This won't work. Let's try this instead." I just don't get it. It's like directors think audiences are stupid. This summer's films have sucked, with the exceptions being Shanghai Noon and Gladiator. P.S.: Why did light hurt Bacon's eyes??? Just because it passes through his eyelids, that doesn't mean it should be painful. When his eyes were open, it didn't hurt then. Verhoeven: you need to film a movie and THINK as you direct the action. Does this make sense? Will the audience buy it? Ask yourself those two questions.

  • The main problem I had with the movie is Sebastian, the central character. He basically starts out as a jerk and turns into a homicidal jerk--no big change. One of the reason the classic Universal movie monsters remain beloved is their inherent contradiction. They were more than just scary monsters. For example, Frankenstin was a misunderstoon man/child, Lon Channey Jr.'s character could never fall in love, because the woman would be the first target of the Wolfman, the Mummy simply wanted to bring back his beloved princess, Dracula was a man in love... he simply went about it the wrong way (i.e. murder). The Invisible Man was a decent guy, who loved his wife, but was obsessed with invisibility. Like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, the invisibility potion brought out the scientist's dark side, pushing him over the edge. In essence, the Invisible Man (while scary and exciting) is a tragedy. The scientist's wife, in the end, has to kill the one person in the world she loves the most, because he's turned into a monster. This is what's missing from "Hallow Man," the "monster's" contradiction. He's simply a one-note jerk who we never care about or understand. Too bad, because I looooooove "Robocop" and "Starship Troopers." Better luck next time, I guess..

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Sebastian is wrong; DARTH SLATER IS GOD

    by DarthSlater

    God, the last 30 minutes of this movie were frustrating. For the record, I really enjoyed the first 3/4 of this movie. As Harry said once, it is a modern morality play. What happens when there are no consequences to your actions? What happens when you are no longer treated as a normal person by the people around you? What does that do to your head? These are great questions, and I thought the movie did a great job posing them. Furthermore, the special effects were amazing, the best I've seen this year, and Kevin Bacon did a fantastic job--his charisma was felt in every scene, even when he wasn't "there", (at least until the end of the movie turned him into a cartoon). Then the ending comes along and Verhoven shits himself. I knew that it degenerated into a monster movie from the advance reviews, but I held out hope. Unlike many of the snooty psuedo-intellectals on this site, I actually enjoyed movies like Deep Blue Sea and Deep Rising, because they're FUN. That's all that they're supposed to be, and that's all I expect out of them. Unfortunately, the end of the Hollow Man was not fun in the slightest. This particularly irks me because I've personally written a horror movie about invisible creatures, one that I thought was pretty damn scary and imaginative, and it finally got rejected by Dimension, so I can't help but make comparisons between the two projects. While writing my screenplay, I did a lot of thinking about how to make this sort of movie scary, and I wish that Verhoven and Marlowe had put the same amount of effort into their work. I finally came up with two cardinal rules for making a scary "invisible attacker" movie: (1) You can't know who will die and who will live. There has to be some element of suspense, otherwise the film gets boring and falls into self-parody. Ten minutes into Hollow Man, I was willing to wager my left testicle that Shue and Brolin would be the sole survivors, and I was equally positive that Joey Slotnik and all the other no-names were dog-meat. There's a reason why Alien was so scary--we weren't sure who would live and who would die. Therefore, we were on the edge of our seat the entire movie. And (2) The attacks most be surprising. There is no other reason to make a horror movie with an invisible adversary. The attacks must come out of nowhere, in unlikely places, in the middle of a conversation, etc. Verhoven dropped the ball on this. When we weren't seeing the attack through Kevin Bacon's P.O.V., we were given ridiculous establishing shots. One cliche that absolutely must go is when a character says something along the lines of "Is he gone?" and then there's a terrible four second pause where he stares at the camera. I wonder if the attacker is coming up behind him? Jesus. You're fucking INVISIBLE--make us of it! Scare us! Don't let us know where the bad guy is, or what he's doing, or how he's going to kill his adversaries. My God, Verhoven broke these cardinal rules time after time. I was in love with the first half of this movie, and the second half made me feel dirty and used. Why oh why is this genre so hard for directors to understand? Damn it, let me into Hollywood now! I will save us all! I will lead my fellow geeks into nirvana! God, I'm so pissed off . . .

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Am I missing something?

    by Mr Z

    Am I the only one who thinks that Hollow Man was extremely religious? At the very end, I thought "Wow, this really reminds me of the fall of Lucifer" and the more I thought about it, the more biblical connections I made. Look: Sebastian started out as a brilliant scientist, Lucifer started out as a great angel. Both became obsessed with power (my bible knowledge is limited, so if I screw up please correct me), both abused their power, and both end up in a blazing inferno. And all of Sebastian's cracks about being God cement this idea in my mind. But that's just my theory.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 7:32 p.m. CST

    THE HOLLOW MAN WAS GOOD..COYOTE UGLY ROCKED!!!

    by GEEKBASHER 3.0

    yep, there I said it, I don't understand everyone calling Coyote Ugly, the worst movie of the year next to B.E..I had much more fun watching Piper auction off her man on the bar, then looking at Kevin's buttcheeks, granted, Hollow Man had killer effects, it just wasn't that much fun seeing all that blood and everyone pummeled at the end, and the fire explosion scene in the elevator shaft, I swear I have seen that at least half a dozen times in the last couple years! I really liked Coyote Ugly allot! SO fuck all the critics, fuck the critics anyways!

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 7:38 p.m. CST

    About Missing Scenes..Scenes you see in trailers and not in the

    by GEEKBASHER 3.0

    yes, the scene where she throws the sheet over him, I noticed that it wasn't in the movie also...whats up with that... did anyone else notice in What Lies Beneath, the scene in the trailer (god knows we have all seen the trailer at least a hundred times..) where Michelle Pffier is pointing out the picture of the ghost in the window..where the heck was that? If yer going to put it in the trailer, stick it in the movie for chrisssakes!!! Go grab a few cocktails and watch the so bad it's good COYOTE UGLY! That was a good way to duck in from the heat and cool off...

  • This is one case where we should be GLAD that the trailer gives away the best of the film (i.e., the effects) for those of us to enjoy who don't want to soil our minds with Verhoeven's sick fantasies. Problem is, even the trailer is twisted enough that I don't want to watch it too many times. Fortunately, now that the effects barrier has been broken, maybe someone will find a way to use it in a worthwhile film.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 7:47 p.m. CST

    To those with posts as long as a phone book . . .

    by dasjerm

    Well I saw the movie and liked it. It was ok, there were flaws, but damned if I'm going to spend 20 minutes to a half hour of my time to talk about a movie I didn't even like, like some of you nerdy, greasy-haired, parents basement living, 250 pound Taco Bell eating, Star Trek anaylizing, superfreaks!!!

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Duct Tape does have all kinds of uses...

    by silentjay

    "I'll find something to close it up...perfect, here is some duct tape right where I left it after fixing the de-fib and storing it in this meat locker!" Is this the same girl that poured Jim Beam over her breasts for us all to wack to?! Man...what a ridiculous film..."I bet he switched the boards in the video camera...yup! I was right...that AV class DID pay off!" And finally...why was he tilting the mirror? Jesus christ what was the point?! Oh wait..."In case your not seeing me rev up this "d-fib" and begin lunging at the patient...CLEAR!" I'd like to use that fucking d-fib on the whole cast...

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 7:53 p.m. CST

    by tater

    Well, I made the first post at the top with my personal views, but after reading that some people enjoyed this movie just made me gape in stupefication. Forget that crap about some people like a movie and others don't...this movie was HORRIBLE!! I read a few posts defending Verhoeven saying "It wasn't his fault". Listen, any director that shot some of those scenes and didn't have a retake that was better than THAT, well, that's all I'm gonna say. Directors give 'direction'. This movie, these actors, this plot had NONE. Another post above mentioned that Shue had a torn achilles in the restaurant scene. Damn, I laughed so hard at that scene because I thought she was trying to walk all sexy, rolling her hips funny like that! But, cmon, didn't anyone at the filming notice that that scene just looked wrong and propose another way to shoot it?!? Namely, the director? I cannot think of one redeeming quality to this movie except for the special effects, and I can watch a documentary on Discovery to see most of them. I used to wonder why Hollywood keeps producing crappy movies, but now I see that they have an audience after reading some of the other posts.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 9:23 p.m. CST

    So, Perabo and Coyote are good now.....

    by Jerome Judd

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 9:32 p.m. CST

    All I could think through the last 30 minutes was...

    by IAmJacksUserID

    Where the hell is Crow T. Robot and Tom Servo when you need them?? This movie just begs for it... Stupid Sci-Fi channel...

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Are there ANY great movies this summer????

    by Fygar

    Another disappointment. Hollow Man was my pick for THE summer movie. I thought it would rock the house, but alas it was just OK. And that's the problem. Every freakin' movie this summer has been just ok. The only movie I've been 100% satisfied with this summer is Shanghi Noon. Anyway, nothing HORRIBLE about HM, but just a lot of blown opportunities. Like someone else said, it would've been much better if Sebastian had gotten out and they had to track him down instead of the same scenario we've seen in countless other movies.

  • Until then, Hollow Man is an o.k. B-movie squandering its better potential. But when Shue turns the flame-thrower on Bacon, the movie turns all the shit meters up to ten. It gets so beyond ridiculous that I think the movie makes a mistake in not taking it even further and having the movie close on Caine still alive and looking for more revenge. Dumb? Sure. But the movie had already crossed so many lines in that last fifteen minutes or so that I felt cheated that they didn't throw in a really tacky horror movie tag scene - like firefighters combing through the wreckage of the lab and hearing the faint chuckle of evil invisible man laughter. Or on a less dopey note to just maybe have Shue and Brolin walking out into the open as they already do at the end but having them look at the world around them with the implication that from now on it'll be hard for them to feel totally safe again. Every time something falls off a shelf or a door swings open with no one around - they'll have to wonder if there really is no one there. Overall, it's worth a look but you get the feeling Verhoven was to a great extent doing this one on auto-pilot.

  • BWAHAHAHAHAHA! 3rd grade humor for a 3rd grade script! Makes Showgirls" look like "Battle For Algiers!"

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Hollow Man : The better one

    by Lord Chromag

    Dan Simmons (of the Hyperion books fame) is also the writer of a number of very excellent twight-zone-ish horror novels. If you are curious and enjoy a good read look for a books of short stories he wrote called "Prayers to Broken Stones". On to my point... When I first saw the news of an upcoming move titled "the Hollow man," I rejoyced, hoping it was the movie adaptation of Simmons' book of the same title. When I saw the trailer I realized it was not. And damned if it didn't look cool. Too bad the movie was just the trailer with a wad of feces folded around it. My man problems with the movie. Scientific accuracy. In matters unrelated to the basic 'suspension of disbelief' premise in a sci-fi film is essential. Someone needs to tattoo it the insides of every scriptwriter and director's eyelids. Action scenes. What made the Matrix so damned cool was the NEWNESS of so many of the scenes. Hollow Man just had so many reused scenes in the second half. Suspense. Movies like this make me think of the fun of tossing a pirahnna into a tank full of tropical fish. LET EM OUT OF THE FRICKING BOX! It is far more suspensful to have the invisible fellow stalking the team down out in the world at large. Give him a reason to hate and eliminate that will override the 'head for the hills' option and turn them loose. Trailers and Editing. I agree that if you put a scene in the trailer you damned well had better put the scene in the movie. When the credits rolled I was left wondering where the that scene with the sheet was. Sidebar - FYI The book I mentioned had nothing to with invisibilty. It is about a man who is telepathic, and after years of dealing with this two-edged gift he finds the only other telepath he has ever encountered.. and marries her.. only to lose her to cancer. That is the START of the book. It traces the twists of his life as a hollow shell of man with the thought-echoes of his lost wife reverberating in his head. In one sense it is similar to the movie. What would you do if you has such a power, and you were bitter and a bit crazy? What makes this book shine is the situations and the real mundane everyday evils that Simmons' Hollow Man encounters. A child molester, an honest-to-god cannibal serial killer who makes Hannibal Lecter seem a little tame, etc.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Henna

    by Darth Brooks

    No I didn't see the movie. No, I'm not going to see the movie. I have one question, though. Henna ink - you see it at tattoo parlors and beachside henna body art stands - - doesn't that stuff stay on skin for like 2 months and can't be washed off? Couldn't the victim-folk of this flick simply pump-spray a quart of henna on their Bacon? I hate crappy scripts and just about all Elizabeth Shue movies.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Intentional failure

    by Mr Z

    Maybe Verhoeven made Hollow Man intentionally bad. Maybe he was trying to piss people off. And judging by the responses I've read so far, he did a damn good job.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Killing the dog...necessary?

    by Darth Tenor

    Ok, I have a pretty high tolerance for graphic violence in films, but the shot where the Invisible Bacon bashed the dog to death against the walls of the cell really offended me like no other image I have seen for a while. Verhoeven really seemed to lose all sense of restraint in Hollow Man, and failed to create a single character the audience could give a shit about. Another shot that I really could have done without was the one where he bashed Elizabeth Shue's head against a pipe, and HAD to come in for a close up for that. Maybe I'm more old-fashioned than I think, but when you go out of your way to give detail to violence against animals and women, you really have lost touch with the movie-going public.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Hollow Man...more like Horny Man

    by Deacon Blues

    So help me understand something... You're invisible, can do anything and go anywhere. So you take advantage of this by..... - Feeling up women's breasts. - Frightening kids in the car next to you. - Forcing yourself on ex-girlfriends..... - Attempting to rape women with perfect (but fake looking) boobs. Was this movie written by high school losers????? Oh that's right! It was written AND directed by high school losers!!! Still, good acting by Bacon. Can't say I ever saw a bad Kevin Bacon performance, just bad Kevin Bacon movies.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Hollow Man & Battlefield: Earth

    by mattoly

    Ah, I feel bad. Last year we had one of the best summers EVER, then followed by this. In the early 90's, before Stargate, Sci-Fi was a ghetto genre because of too many exploitative films. Here's another for you. Hollow Man could have been great, but it was simply not. Battlefield: Earth could have been great, but simply wasn't. If this keeps up, we're going to be stuck with Dimension's crap for a decade. Fuck that. On a side not, my friend Bina's stepdad directed BE, and since it came out, she hasn't. Poor girl.

  • Aug. 5, 2000, 11:53 p.m. CST

    shallowman-hollowman

    by 4pies

    A first rate example of tecno-trash. More like a demo for a SFX house than a movie. Paul Verhoven proves once again that dealing with real people and real emotions is a concept that simply is beyond his grasp. Once upon I time I thoght Kevin Bacon was a decent actor (JFK, Quicksilver) but he has become yet another cardboard character. As for Elzabeh Shue....she never should have left Las Vegas. Save your money and time.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 12:20 a.m. CST

    ingredients for a summer wellll...not so blockbuster movie: 1 p

    by Valcom17485

    Some thoughts about hollow man a friend and I had after we saw the movie via AIM. here they are, i hope you enjoy. (here we discuss the lack of goggles, and beautiful scientists) ValCom17485: goggles, goggles, goggles....no don't break up into teams of two...no....you fools... DarthUlrich MD: haha ValCom17485: oh, carter is dead? gee, maybe if you had your goggles on that wouldn't have happened... DarthUlrich MD: what are goggles? DarthUlrich MD: oh too late, someone died again ValCom17485: first ValCom17485: scan the perimiter ValCom17485: now, hold your goggles, don't forget to put them on your face while you run with them. ValCom17485: now, fix your hair, and cock your dart gun..look sexy... DarthUlrich MD: haha DarthUlrich MD: "wait guys, why don't we just wear our goggles?" DarthUlrich MD: "no, we can't do that. it would be....too easy." ValCom17485: "um, i don't wanna mess up my hair, i wanna be the most beautiful lab technician ever!" DarthUlrich MD: the best solution to this problem would be if we all split up DarthUlrich MD: and spray a fire estinguisher all over while keeping ourselves completely vulnerable on all fronts DarthUlrich MD: we should try to help the guy that listens to his headphones even though he is bleeding profusely from the head and doesn't stand a chance of living ValCom17485: oh, hey, wait....i think maybe you should spill some more blood on the floor, gorilla girl... ValCom17485: what about the fire? ValCom17485: what pissed you off there? DarthUlrich MD: you mean when the invisible fuck got charred to a crisp yet was able to move about vigorously? DarthUlrich MD: oh yeah, i forgot DarthUlrich MD: he also got hit in the head with a crowbar DarthUlrich MD: hard DarthUlrich MD: shake it off, shake it off ValCom17485: what a pathetic movie, indeed imagine what it could have been in the hands of a real director...say david fincher, or maybe...alex proyas... what a waste DarthUlrichMD: at least there was titty. ValCom17485: good point. OVER AND OUT.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Hollow Man was pimp!

    by Studio Snitch

    (SPOILERS AHEAD!) I don't know why people like to rag on this film. It was fun, brought up interesting questions (about morailty, Bacon's motivation (i.e. reaction to experiment v. allready a dick), etc.), and, damnit it, it had some of the coolest effects ever! Come on, the invisible gorilla, the "peeling" bodies...it was eye candy worth the price of admission. Besdies the effects it had the whole "Aliens" thing going on (granted...not as cool). The only problems I had were that everyone should have been wearing the goggles (logic prob.), and that Bacon should not have come back for one more scare in the elevator shaft...it had too many climaxes...just like What Lies Beneath, and thus detracted from the film as a whole. Overall, though, it is my favortie of the summer...after "Gladiator".

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Filthy mysoginist Paul Verhoeven strikes again!

    by Twig

    This movie fucking SUCKED! After What Lies Beneath, its the 2nd horror movie in 2 weeks to take a premise with tons of potential and turn it into shit. Why did this become Scream 4 at the end? Wasn't that elevator shaft bit ripped off from Deep Blue Sea/Alien Resurrection/etc? What the fuck was Elisabeth Shue on? If you watched this film in a triple bill with Palmetto and The Saint, you would be unable to fathom that she was actually an Oscar nominee once. I'm no prude about violence, but that thing with the dog wasn't just over the line, it was completely unnecessary to the story(well, you know, if there WAS a story). I've actually liked most of Verhoeven's films(especialy Total Recall and Starship Troopers), but those films were fun. They had some spirit. Hollow Man was just a mean, upleasant experience. Give me Piper Perabo dancing on a bar anytime.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 1:12 a.m. CST

    I Regret to Announce that Our Good Friend and Noble Talkbacker Z

    by Bari Umenema

    He's finished his studies at San Diego State U and has headed up to Cal Berkley as hopefully some of you received the same email from him as I did. His presence will be sorely missed on these Boards -- always Smart, always Funny, always Insightful!! Come back Soon Zeno Old Pal, at least in time for Planet Of The Apes which is of course his Passion!!! We are all Very Sad to See You Go Pal, best of luck to you at Berkley...:-(

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Hollow Man,...no thanks.

    by Psyclops

    This film was sorry, but it did have its moments. The stretch of logic was the thing that killed me on this one. First of all, why would Josh Brolin go into the cage if he knew the invisible gorilla was agitated? For cryin' out loud, man--use a fucking tranquilizer gun or something!! Then he and Kevin Bacon are playing a game of "betcha I can shoot her first?"....with a fucking rampaging invisible gorilla?!? AAARRRGGHHH!!! Anyway, the effects were great, but that can't substitute for the weak acting and overdramatic dialogue ("I can't feel anything"--"Can you feel this?"). Anyway, read my full review on my website: www.geocities.com/xenoman79/coolsville.html

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Maguyver, a coat hanger, a hamster and some duct tape.

    by MorpheusSleeps

    --What can I say for hollow man? -I think it's been a while since I've laughed so hard at any film, and I definatly have to give it points for that. But don't mistake what I'm saying, it was still a horrid film. Sure, the effects were pretty and the story almost got interesting at certain points, but it continually failed to deliver. --First off, the characters are scientists, but they seem to also be olympians and Maguyver clones. As examplified by Elizabeth Shue(trapped in freezer) and her "I don't care to remember his name" boyfriend. These are two people who have been through grueling conditions and still climb up a HUGE elevator shaft(the boyfriend with a wound in his gut and Shue with a wound on her shoulder). --Some of the scenes were unintentionally humorous. I love the fact that the movie didn't even bother with guns in order to deliver blood. My single favorite scene in the movie is when the woman in the lab starts to open bags of blood and throws it everywhere until the room is covered with it. --I didn't even bother to remember the character's names, that's how bad this movie is. There were other things that made this film irredeemable, but they're not even worth mentioning. Bad things happen when you give Paul Verhoeven a budget, this is one of them. -Hey, go see it, bad movies need motivation and if you like laughing at bad films, then this is what you're looking for... So is BATTLEFIELD EARTH though. Anyway, ranted for long enough. P.S. Duct tape fixes everything. -Victor D "Nothing must stop us now; the innocent must die." -HARD BOILED

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 2:29 a.m. CST

    what the fuck?

    by NC-17

    This letter is in response to those trashing Verhoeven. WhAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? For the past several years we have been getting action films from Hollywood that can only be described, in my opinion, as quaint or safe (see anything PG-13). This trend, while "ok" for the younger, burgeoning action viewer, must be changed. I AM AN ADULT and I demand more sex, more violence.....in general, more gratuity. I understand that the term gratuity is used negatively by almost everyone but I feel this outlook should change. I'm tired of "pussy" action pictures (sorry to anybody who may be offended by this term). "Give me more, let me see more" is what I say. I hate to hear people say that "they didn't need to show that" or "that wasn't really necessary". Who the fuck cares if it was necessary. If it can add a bit of delight for the viewer, such as gallons of blood for gorehounds like myself or skin for those who love sex, then, by all means, go for it. As an adult, I feel that I can handle this. And for me, Verhoeven is the director to push this movement forward. I'm not saying that Hollow Man was good (I found it to be quite dissapointing) but I am saying that he, more than any other director in Hollywood, has the guts to push the envelope in those areas. Does this mean that all films that displays these favored characteristics are going to be good? No. But, they WILL be better than safe crap. This is, by no means, a call to directors to start displaying these elements if they don't feel they should. It is, rather, one viewer's wish to see what the censors don't want you to see and what the filmmakers do. Verhoeven is a very liberal director and that is what makes him great (in my opinion). He is not concerned with the conservative values of many of his viewers. He'd rather make things a little more interesting. And thank God for that! Hollywood is always in need of "interesting". PS. For those of you are concerned about the cruel death of the puppie....lest we not forget the six human characters that died (even if you didn't care for them) PPS. Verhoeven Rocks!

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 3:01 a.m. CST

    The summer continues to suck.

    by Singaya

    Terrible. Hollow Man is terrible from beginning to end. Stupid, predictable... it's as if they made it up as they went along. While the list of stupidities are too long to list, I must point out one, in the form of a question: if there was an invisible guy who was trying to kill you and the only way you could see him was through yer special infared goggles, WOULD YOU EVER TAKE THOSE GOGGLES OFF? Just one of many crappy things that makes Hollow Man another suck ass movie in another suck ass summer of movies.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Bacon's BEST science fiction movie is TREMORS!!!!

    by Bono

    THE HOLLOW MAN is okay...but I'd rather read THE HOLLOW MEN by Eliot. "Shape without form, shade without color, paralysed force, gesture without motion..." Come to think of it...that reminds me of Al Gore.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 3:12 a.m. CST

    and in response to NC-17...

    by Singaya

    It's a bit ridiculous to use Hollow Man as a foundation for a discussion on pushing the envelope and what should be shown and not shown. This guy is a terrible filmmaker, a terrible storyteller... watching this movie, I felt like he hates movies and he hates us moviegoers. After Kevin Bacon killed the dog, I couldn't help but say out loud "I hate this fucking movie." I guess what I'm getting at is that the discussion of what should be shown and what the filmmakers responsibility is to the audience is an important one and... talking about it in the same breath as this piece of shit... it just makes me giggle. Sorry. I think I just wasted everybody's time. I think you have a good point, NC-17. I think pushing the envelope is important, but you have to do it for a reason. And not necessarily by getting all artsy fartsy, but you have to have a meaning behind what you're doing. Paul Verhoeven... fuck that guy.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 3:21 a.m. CST

    one last thing...

    by Singaya

    And all you folks who are like "He's gone too far!" or (even worse) "I didn't think it was too bad! It's kinda goofy and he's never gonna make the next Citizen Kane." The folks who are in the first camp: you're wasting your time with this. Don't get angry about him because you'll create the only press he'll get. And for you people in the second camp: you scare me. It's people like you that create the market for shit movies like this. Did you not see the steady stream of implausabilities fall before in this movie like turds in your popcorn? The all alone, half naked woman who wanders out in the hall to investigate the strange doorbell ringing? The fact that the bitchy scientist never called Kevin on feeling her up? The fact that FOR SOME REASON THEY ALL TOOK OFF THEIR GOGGLES IN THE FINAL MOMENTS OF THE FILM? This, coupled with some of the WORST dialogue of all time -- ("She went to get blood for him! He's dying!" "He's dead. let's go.")... guys, this is a waste of time.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 3:25 a.m. CST

    war, what is it good for?

    by bango

    Okay: I write this prior to reading any other postings. I saw this flick tonite with a guy who would've jizzed to sit through 'Coyote Ugly.' What was his comment after 'Hollow Man'? "Too many breasts." This is important, because the things one finds fault with in a Verhoeven movie often are THE movie. No, this movie isn't about cheesy dialogue, mannequin actors, crappy endings, or good special effects. It is about military technology being used as a tool for rape. Some critics tried to find meaning and made oblique comments about, maybe, fascism? Nope. Last Verhoeven movie deals with that. Some critics asked why we couldn't have more fun with the possibilities of being invisible, before the 'descent into madness.' What? Let's see how much we can poke around and get into crazy hijinks before getting the urge to rape somebody? My friend looked at breasts and was uncomfortable. Verhoeven uses voyeurism, the camera's eye, CGI, to create extreme sexual discomfort. Although the audience sees things through the invisible man's 'eyes,' sympathy builds for the exploited. This group of scientists, although perilously close to stock em' up and knock-em' down characters, actually are given dimension by the sexual politics, from the veterenarian whose blouse is unbuttoned and is the first to glean the desires of the monster, and attempt to hide her knowledge, to the lab assistant who loves Perfect 10 magazine and would get up to some kooky hi-jinks with chicks if he were invisible, who then confronts his desires in their most horrific form. It is a strong message, seriously compromised by the stock ending. But I know that Verhoeven was digging at this; one cannot read about military 'engagements' without reading that all the tools and weapons of war, all the infrared, sonar, radar, satellite technology, does not create a moral or physical distance; millions of children and women are raped and slaughtered by men on a power trip. Open up the paper. It is in our military (the serviceman who just plead guilty to raping and murdering a girl); it is in the hands of any man given a gun or any other protective shield, who gets a God complex and ends up acting horribly, damnably demonic.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Just some technical musings

    by Pseudonym

    Now I didn't see Hollow Man (the previews of Kevin Bacon stalking people through the shiny metal corridors was enough to clue me in to a measurable degree of suckiness), but reading these talkbacks, I think there are some serious flaws in this movie. I can already hear thousands of voices saying, "No shit, Sherlock," but hear this. If you were working on a formula for invisibility and testing it on live animals, wouldn't you, just logistically, have some effective way developed beforehand to make tracking an invisible creature easier than relying just on infrared goggles (which you're not gonna wear, apparently)? That seems like common sense. Wouldn't you keep some kind of color compound like that stuff they put in the dye packs in bank money, loaded in paintball form or something, to mark the your invisible escapee for tracking once you've found him? Maybe even mix the liquid dye with a chemical agent that's absorbed through the skin and will render the escapee unconscious when absorbed into the bloodstream? Or some net guns stored away with a wide-angle ensnarement range? Or a noticeable mark on the subject's skin that's visible in ultraviolet lights, which could be installed throughout the building? Geez, even night clubs and amusement parks have figured that idea out with the hand-stamping!! Or include a low-grade, weak radioactive isotope in the invisibility formula so you could be alerted to his presence with a souped-up gieger counter or something? Wait, scratch that idea because that the radiation could be confounding variable to the invisibility experiment, which a scientist probably wouldn't allow to happen. There, y'see how easy it is to drop an idea to make the plot more realistic when you actually take the time to think?? Come on, Hollywood writers, think when you write something!!! And for those of you thinking, "well then how would they be able to have a thrilling final showdown in the lab if they could easily catch him," then dig this: have the showdown outside the lab if you have to have one at all. See how easy that was? *Whew* I need to take a nap now.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 3:43 a.m. CST

    This Movie Needed More . . .

    by Salsashark1

    female nudity! I mean come on, Kevin's charater only saw a few breast? Man, if I were invisible I would spend all of my time looking for the female nudity. You know what? I think every movie should have more nudity. I think I'll write a letter to Hollywood about this. Later!

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 4:49 a.m. CST

    alternative version for europe ?

    by rotterminator

    the version I am going to see at film festival here will be running at 118 minutes. that is 4 minutes longer than u.s. version, according to imdb. It will be interesting to see if verhoeven has cut a different version for more tolerant european market or was it just a plain mistake....

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 4:51 a.m. CST

    When The FucK is "BRING IT ON??"

    by GEEKBASHER 3.0

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 4:51 a.m. CST

    When The FucK is "BRING IT ON??"

    by GEEKBASHER 3.0

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 5:14 a.m. CST

    I can just hear the DVD commentary...

    by LeonardTheLizard

    "This film is a perfect example of facism in Holland. In my country, all the facists think they are invisible so they all walk around with sheets on their heads." Oh, and about the climax, did anyone else think, "Gee, cyclotron with explosive materials inside about to go off. No control panel. Maybe we should unplug it from the power outlet?"

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Totally, utterly indefensible

    by SpaceDork

    Please, if you have any sense of human decency at all, DO NOT SEE HOLLOW MAN. I want this to bomb. If an alien civilization were having a congress to determine our eligibility for being allowed to continue to live, they could use this as exhibit A for our genocide: "They created THIS, and passed it off as entertainment! Obviously a danger to themselves, and to life as we know it." I have a laundry list miles long of things that were wrong with that god-awful movie. It's trash in every sense of the word. It makes Starship Troopers, the last movie from Paul "I Like Breasts" Vereorhohohrvroen, look like Citizen F'ing Kane. So, basically I didn't like it. YOU, on the other hand, might, if you have no sense of decency and a huge masochistic streak. A total disregard for life, human AND animal, would go a long way. I think about the money that went into making this movie and I want to run into the woods and become a bark-eating hermit. I swear I'm done writing now, but... bLEAHHHHHH!

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Hollow Man & the rest of the summer crap...

    by pfloyd

    The reason ALL of the summer movies have sucked (that's right, even Xmen)is because the studios have learned that a majority of the viewing public cares more about number of fight scenes, FX screen time, one-liners, and trendy sound tracks. It is a real shame because most of you who are bitching about plot and characer development, can't even sit through a 2 hour movie unless of course it has 'Star' in its title. I'm not saying 'Hollow Man' would be better if longer, but you can bet they made sure the FX got enough screen time. I think most of problems can be traced to the fact that since I've been reading posts at AICN I've heard people actually complain that classics like 'Citizen Kane' are boring. While reading the 'POTA' posts someone said 'The Ten Comandments' was one of the worst movies ever. Come on, how sad for you people who can't enjoy good film. But these are the same people who say my favorite movie is (fill in the blank with some crappy, trendy action film). By the way for all you people crying about believablity in film, all your favorite space movies are crap compared to '2001'. And I doubt most of you have seen '2001', hence its running time and the fact that it requires thought.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 10:08 a.m. CST

    The WORST I've Seen!

    by dougup

    This movie exemplified the worst of everything except the special effects. Unfortunately, they didn't compensate for the completely unnecessary violence and the violently awful script. The only good thing about my experience was the the theater in Texas had a broken AC so we all got free movie passes after the film was over. Frankly, I think everyone should get free passes for going to see this one!

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 10:17 a.m. CST

    A bad movie from Verhoeven? Naw, you must be kidding!

    by stitch

    Having never liked any of Paul "subtle as a sledgehammer" Verhoeven film, I'm sooooo shocked to see that no one likes Hollow Man, even those lost souls who keep defending this hack of a filmmaker. Verhoeven films don't shock me because of the violence or the crudeness of it all or the sexual (im)morality present in every frame but because his films are sooooo CRAPPY! Period! Verhoeven couldn't direct his way out of a paper bag if he wanted to. The man ain't a filmmaker. He's an imposter. A pretender. Doesn't have one clue over what makes a film. And as nothing interesting to say except "I'm a dirty old pervert." I won't see this shitfest at the movies but I'll definately rent the DVD, with a few other comedies.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 10:39 a.m. CST

    "Tolerant European Market"

    by P. Venkman

    Hey 0658, is this "tolerant eurpean market" the same one that cut scenes from Fight Club?? Just wondering.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Folks, you're all taking this FAR too seriously.

    by Nordling

    First off, it's not HOLLOW MAN's fault that this has been a lousy summer. We all admit that it has been. Disappointment after disappointment. I normally don't post all that much on TalkBack anymore (I save my juvenile ranting for the Chat Room), but I felt I had to on this one. HOLLOW MAN, yes, on all accounts, is a bad movie. It's silly, the plotholes are enormous, the dialogue is borderline Hooked-On-Phonics, the acting barely better than porn. But I don't know why...but I ENJOYED THE SHIT OUT OF IT! Maybe it's because walking into the theater I had a revelation - This is a Paul Verhoeven Movie. It's not going to be great. In all probablility, it will suck. So, relax. I mean, how seriously can you take a movie about an invisible man anyway, something that can NEVER happen, EVER? Light can only be refracted by gravity. It would take a black hole to make someone invisible. So, I sat back, watched the movie unfold, and had a good dumb time with it. This is a movie where it's pretty damn near essential you root for the bad guy anyway. This will play better on video with a bunch of drunk-ass guys watching. I'd like to think I have great taste in movies - SEVEN SAMURAI probably being my fav of all time, followed by SCHINDLER'S LIST and E.T. and EMPIRE STRIKES BACK - but taste isn't required here. If you see HOLLOW MAN, groove on the spec efx - which admittedly are jawdropping - and laugh at the rest of it. If you take it seriously, in short, you deserve what you get. That's my rant.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 11 a.m. CST

    Bango, what you said is disturbingly true.

    by Metatron

    <<But I know that Verhoeven was digging at this; one cannot read about military 'engagements' without reading that all the tools and weapons of war, all the infrared, sonar, radar, satellite technology, does not create a moral or physical distance; millions of children and women are raped and slaughtered by men on a power trip. Open up the paper. It is in our military (the serviceman who just plead guilty to raping and murdering a girl); it is in the hands of any man given a gun or any other protective shield, who gets a God complex and ends up acting horribly, damnably demonic.>> Reading this made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up; this is such an astute observation. H M could have been an excellent study of human nature, of unquestioned authority and power getting into the wrong hands. The worst thing about Hollow Man was that given a different screenplay, supporting actors, and director, it could have been a great film...

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Much of the BLAME for this SHITTY MOVIE must go to ANDREW "OVERR

    by Bari Umenema

    "Hey I'm Andrew "Air Force One" Marlowe! I also wrote "End of Days" whereas all you guys write are Talkback Posts! This makes me Higher and Mightier than All of You jerkwads. Sure I wrote a shitty screenplay for Hollow Man with plotholes large enough to drive that freight train through straight up Verhoeven's butthole, but remember I wrote "Air Force One" which gives me enough residual clout to write much lesser shit like End of Days and this movie, so all of you can go FUCK OFF 'cause I'm Andrew Marlowe and I wrote "Air Force One" which was Great! Oh hell just run a freight train up my butt too, I'm as much to blame as Verhoeven is for this mess of a movie, but it made a shitload of money this weekend so in the final analysis that's all that matters anyway. Ha-Ha-Ha, I'm rich!!"

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 11:36 a.m. CST

    The Worst Verhoeven movie ever!!

    by darius25

    I guess almost everybody notoced the main flaw of this movie - IT WAS BORING!!! Nothing happened. They talk bullshit, he turns invisible, we see ONLY two (althoigh nice) pair of tits, almost everybody dies in TWENTY FUCKING minutes, the end!!Where's the plot, the suspense, the excitement. Who gives a shit about the special effects if they are not put to any use.Ok, it WAS cool to see the invisible man covered with water, or vapour or blood, but so what!!Nothing happens in the entire film. What was the point - ok, lets just think that this movie was not supposed to have a story. Just another SFX popcorn flick - then where is the friggin story arc ? Where's the setup, the main conflict, the climax. I mean, all in the last friggin 30 minutes or even shorter, Bacon goes nuts and suddenly he decides to kill everybody. And they all drop like flies right away. DBS, or even the Scream series took two hours to tell this story while HM took 20-30 minutes. The rest of the movie was a snoozefest. I LOVE Paul but he blew it big time. I wish Disney had let him make his Dinosaur movie then this. Atleast Showgirls was SUPPOSED to be bad, and it was quite entertaining in a cheesy sort of way. This WAS NOT entertaining. It was yet another bad movie in a year full of bad movies. This has got to the most dissapointing year of movies ever.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Hollow Man

    by Snafu

    Ok, I don't know what you all expected, so I don't know why you were all so disappointed, but I went expecting not much plot or character development and some kick ass special effects and I got exactly what I was looking for. It was entertaining for two hours, it had great effects, and some nice scantily clad women and good breasts. They gotta stop casting that blond bimbo as nuclear physicists and biologists, she just can't hack it. But whatever. It was an amusing movie, worth seeing, and the rest of you should stop being so caught up in your high ideals and enjoy movies for what they can offer, not hating them for what they can't.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 1:16 p.m. CST

    HOLLOW MAN - A fun ride

    by Funsilly

    I thought HOLLOW MAN was a fun rollercoaster ride! The effects were cool and the pace was tight. Sure it wasn't perfect, but what action movie is?? I enjoyed it for what it was, no one expected it to be "Citizen Kane."

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 1:24 p.m. CST

    LOVED IT!

    by Consumer

    Wow, that film was so AMAZING -- I can't stop thinking about it! And that MAGAZINE the fat guy was reading-- wow it was like I was RIGHT THERE WITH HIM looking at those naked pictures! The Hollow Man should've ripped his mask off and stolen that guy's magazine; or at least, peeked over his shoulder at it. And when that girl was peeing-- man, I thought the Hollow Man was watching her, listening to her pee come out. And I can totally understand how they thought the Hollow Man would've been in that locker hiding. They should've shot darts into it. Elizabeth Shue should've dreamed herself much more graphically; she should've dreamed herself getting it doggy style by the Hollow Man -- who it's obvious she still wanted cuz she let him kiss her so many times. Even though I loved it so much, there were one or two little problems I had with the film, but that I don't think 'took away' from it being good. Like when the Hollow Man returned to the complex TWO TIMES wearing his Latex Mask and sunglasses. I think the security guys at the outside gate AND next to the elevator would've noticed the mask, cuz the first time the outside gate guy looked at Caine rather pointedly, when he first entered, back wehn he was just Caine. I just think the believability of the film might've been marred by this. I think that's why they always showed the Hollow Man already inside, and didn't show him going by security those times. What if he just got invisible -- I mean, took his clothes off so they wouldn't see him, and just stroll on by them. He even could've taken a gymbag with him, with his mask, his pants, and his sunglasses in it, and snuck it past. I mean, people might've seen a gymbag walking around by itself, but then he could quietly make it go by security without them noticing. Also, he should've done more pranks out in public. Like maybe painting his dick and balls blue or something, and maybe his ass, so people would've been freaked out by seeing just those things walking down the street by themselves. Or he should've gone to the Coyote Ugly club, and copped a feel of those barmaids. I don't know why they even call it Ugly -- the girls there aren't ugly, they're pretty. But I haven't seen that movie, so who knows why. Anyway, the horror was pretty good, I thought. I was blown away when the Linda character slid into the elevator and torched the Hollow Man. Ha! Then he was The Human Torch! Good one! He should've died there, though. But he just shook it off. Kewl. Thrills and spills! And at the end when the fireball came up the elevator shaft and OOOH! then the ELEVATOR started falling down again -- holy smoke! That'd be great if Columbia Pictures builds a theme park -- they could sell the Masks and have a Hollow Man Elevator Ride. That'd be so great. That's why they make movies, right? To give us toys and rides, right? I wanna be the hollow man for "Hollow" e'en ! yeeeee! Let's see it again, -Consumer-

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Verhoeven

    by moovees

    Okay... why does everyone keep calling Verhoeven a misogynist? I mean, don't get me wrong, this movie was pretty bad and I'm not defending it at all, but do those of you using this word KNOW what it means? Verhoeven obviously doesn't hate women, he's more of a walking hard-on or a pervert with an out of control obsession for the female body. Criticize his work for the obvious flaws, but don't call him a misogynist. It just doesn't make any sense.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 2:23 p.m. CST

    All I know is...

    by Crawdaddy

    If you took the thoughest mother fu*ker to ever walk the earth and hit him as hard as you could in the back of the head with a crowbar, that person would die. I am so sick of the "I guess it's finally over... no wait!" moments in movies like this. And did we really need to see Kevin Bacon's urethra for crap's sake?

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 2:41 p.m. CST

    by rotterminator

    to p.venkman, you're right: 'tolerant europe' is not quite right term, i should have been more specific...it depends on a country. anyway,basic instinct was more explicit in european release. So I thought, maybe this could be the same case. Of course, even if sony would send harder version over here it may still be cut to hell in some countries, like UK, but then there are few other countries which are not so strict with censorship.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Random Hollow Ramblings

    by DoorMan

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Verhoeven Blows!

    by POTA68

    "Hallow Man" signals the end of my giving a shit about ever seeing another Verhoeven film -- even if it is scored by Jerry Goldsmith. Verhoeven is an idiot, with an idiot's sense of dialogue, plot, who to cast, whatever, etc. He obviously either doesn't know how bad certain elements are, or he's so obsessed with doing the special effects well that he can't be bothered with all the rest. "Hallow Man" is a bad movie. So was "Starship Troopers." I even thought "Total Recall" sucked. So why did I go see this one?!! Damned if I know,... but this is the end. Never again. Now if only all the dumb asses in the world who've given this Dutch-whacked-hack the money to make his terrible celluloid blights on Western civilization would just stop! STOP!!! END THE CAREER OF THIS BASTARD!!! CAN'T ANYONE SEE HOW BAD HE IS?!!!

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Random Hollow Ramblings (again)

    by DoorMan

    I accidentally hit enter the last time... sorry for the inconvience. Anyways I just want to start out by saying I rather enjoyed Hollow Man. It wasn't one of the best movies ever made, not by any stretch. It's not even what I would consider one of my personal favorite movies. But it was a good movie, and fun to watch. I enjoyed it, and that's what it's all about. Even if your enjoyment if derived from making fun of the movie while you view it. I love doing that to movies that aren't as good as I like, and it turns them into a worth while experience. Secondly, why is it that almost everyone who says Hollow Man crossed a line, say that the line was crossed with the killing of the dog? WHY??? It's a dog! Yes, that scene disturbed me, but no more than any of the other killings. Like the vet lady... he could have just left her there on the floor tranquilized, knowing that the place was gonna' blow up, but nooo, that wasn't good enough. He had to snap her neck. I found that to be a bit disturbing too. Now don't get me wrong, I like animals well enough... but I think it's sad when people are bothered more by one animal's death in a film, than that of a bunch of humans.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Just Awful!

    by Dynamic

    So much wasted potential. I regret not drinking heavily beforehand. Questions: why does the Hollow Man feel no need for nostril or ear holes in his presumably hot and uncomfortable rubber mask? How do the two characters hanging in the elevator shaft not even break a sweat while a rolling inferno burns just meters below? Who, in Hell's good name, would walk into a cage with an invisible gorilla? How does the eyeball work when invisible? Man, this movie could have been so good if it were handled matter-of-factly and actually used some logic. BUT, that opening scene (with the rat) was among the best openers I think I've ever seen!

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Not as bad as you seem to think.

    by TheShavenMonkey

    It wasn't that bad...sure, the script wasn't great and the one liners were annoying....but it was fun to watch and it was original....nothing like the origial "Invisible Man." Okay, it was...but it was like the pervert's "Invisible Man." And since I'm a pervert, I liked it. Someone said it was their favorite movie of the summer. What the hell? Has anyone seen "Hamlet?" That is the greatest movie of the year....even better than "Gladiator." It's too bad it didn't get a bigger release than it did...the acting and direction is perfect. The setting and mood is, too. And of course the story is good...its Shakespeare.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 5:58 p.m. CST

    You people make me sick...

    by angry

    OK... I HAVE NEVER, EVER in my lifetime, seen a movie where people laughed at the "unintentionally funny dialogue"... I read reviews here all the time where people say "The whole audience was laughing out loud at the dialogue" "it was so funny, the ENTIRE audience was laughing, when they weren't supposed to" "Oh, this part was SUPPOSED to be scary, but, everyone was laughing at it". I have NEVER seen that happen. You're all a bunch of full-of-shit idiots making your stories up for god-knows-what reason... And, by the way, I enjoyed the movie. Had a couple good scares, some wicked FX, a couple scenes that disturbed you in a good way (i.e. the smashing the dog scene... That was fucking DISTURBING AS HELL, made a LOT of people cringe, and that's GOOOOOOOD) and so what if it degenerated into a creep-flick... IT was a cool creep-flick. Although, the getting burnt part, I know damn well how much that hurts, I can't imagine him still going, but... WHO CARES! IT WAS A FUN MOVIE! Suspend some belief and have fun with a movie once in a while... Not everything made has to be completely fucking serious.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Hollow Man trailer music

    by MuvieMan

    What was the music at the end of the Hollow Man trailer?

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 6:32 p.m. CST

    You guys are insane! It was a fun entertaining movie!!

    by Regis Travolta

    I enjoyed it, what more can I say. Especially liked the defibrillator turned into electric magnet to open the freezer door, that was damn clever!! Loved the conversion sequences, especially the serum injection as it started to circulate in gorilla and Baco-bits. I mean Kev Baco-bits. Anyway, sure it was preposterous but that's the fun of an invisible man movie. Now go to your local video store and rent Amazon Women On The Moon to watch the Ed Begley Jr. Invisible Man spoof scene, funniest damn thing you'll ever see in your life!! Oh yeah, Shue is damn sexy!!! But would've enjoyed seeing more of the left-on-the-cutting-room-floor "rape" scene of neighbor, maybe he just ravished her -- why was that cut? Coitus interuptus indeed!!! PS: Nutty Professor II sucked shit but had a couple of amusing moments, maybe in Nutty 3 Sherman Klump can become invisible. Go rent Amazon Women On The Moon you'll be glad you did!!!

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 6:37 p.m. CST

    0658

    by P. Venkman

    To 0658: agreed.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 7:03 p.m. CST

    But avoid like the plague Steve Guttenberg's "The Man Who Wasn't

    by Regis Travolta

    So I thought I'd take a moment to remind everyone just how truly awful THE MAN WHO WASN'T THERE was. AND IT STARRED STEVE GUTTENBERG who's embarrassed by it and SO HE OMITS IT FROM HIS LIST OF MOVIES STARRED IN!!! I wonder why...

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 7:35 p.m. CST

    My opinion has shifted

    by Jack Burton

    Well I just saw it and thought it was okay. Then everyone starting bringing up the plot holes that I had missed. The light in the retina one is a pretty good one. The goggles I thought of when I was watching it, same with the escape ladder that is not used until the end, the moronic ""splitting up" Scooby Doo move (didn't the Scream movies clue Hollywood into abandoning that cliche?), the lack of any kind of monitoring system on the elevator, ape's that eat mice (I think it was a big cat though, although why you would make a large cat invisible is truly beyond me), and Sebastian's porsche are a few that come to mind right off the bat. So thinking back it was pretty much a Cinemax After Dark flick with kick ass effects but no Shannon Tweed. I was hopeful when Sebastian got out into the real world but the dipshit camera angles ruined every bit of suspense. The "let's-maybe-rape-the-neigbor-but-never-talk-of-it-again" sequence was fairly repulsive and totally useless. Naming a character "Cain" in a movie and making him a bad guy is about as Screenwriting 101 as you can get. This movie could have been cool and scary, instead it's another retarded Alien ripoff. Plus it becomes a rather tedious bloodbath (literally) which makes the whole thing kind of unpleasant. By the way, how in the hell were Shue and Brolin not burned to a crisp in the elevator shaft? From what I can tell, heat tends to radiate from fire, not exist solely within the flame. That was one of the stupidest lapses in the entire stupid film. ps: the credits listed the neighbor as Rhona Mitra. Wasn't that the girl that played Lara Croft at game conventions and in magazines? I think it is but wasn't sure.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 7:54 p.m. CST

    "You have no idea how much fun this is."

    by JayJ

    Just got back from seeing this movie (at the matinee, of course...you can't take chances with a Verhoven movie). And this *is definitely* a Verhoven-formula movie. That would include: <1> Gratuitous breast shots <2> bloody deaths (and mutilations) of movie characters <3> State of the art special effects; and to a lesser extent <3a> shots of beautiful women getting their asses kicked. Oh, and the final one (this one is important) <4> Lack of PC...political correctness. The good: Jerry Goldsmith's score, the effects, the opening shot with the rat. The bad: Well, if you've seen a lot of Verhoven movies you already know so I'm not going to list 'em. Overall, I thought it was an 'OK' Verhoven movie. Why? Why, because I left my logical thinking cap at the box office window, silly reader! This is a *Verhoven* movie, ya'll! It's visual, visual, visual man. Screw that dialouge and plot crap! He shoots his flicks with this up-close and tense style I can't describe...it's just "Verhoven-ish" for lack of a better word. Oh, and for God's sake, get over the smashing-puppy-brains shot, animal worshiper's. Disturbing? Yes. But the first thing I thought of after my initial reaction was "Oh yeah...this is going to piss some people off." How right I was. (I'm rolling my eyes now). It's a VERHOVEN flick! Women get their asses kicked just like the guys do and that IS something I like to see in his movies. They get their heads broken open, they get punched around like guys do. No, I don't hate women...but I don't like them being stereotyped as the squalling, cry-baby victim all the time either. Verhoven doesn't discriminate gender in his flicks Let 'em take some punches to the face! Makes me hate the character who messed 'em up even more! Anyway, we'll see the "uncut" version with the rape scene on DVD soon (which didn't need to be seen to be understood in my opinion), so don't fret people. It's the only way Verhoven can get his "true vision" past the Hollywood pukes.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Elisabeth Shue's a BIG star...

    by Swungdash

    Enough of the chatter about the poor plot, dialog and acting in the film--I want to bring up something really important: Did anybody else notice that Elisabeth Shue has a gigantic belly and big ass in the movie?! And what was the deal with that haircut!!! I guess her "Cocktail" days are over. Good thing the casting director was able to fill out the cast with actresses who had EVEN LARGER posteriors than Ms. Shue. God, I hope she was pregnant during filming or something. At least you used to be able to count on Paul Verhoven to have an attractive cast, whether the story called for it or not. Sigh...

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 8:35 p.m. CST

    What if . . .

    by Consumer

    WHAT IF they didn

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 9:05 p.m. CST

    I Haven't Seen The Movie Yet...

    by Baily Wolf

    Get it! Get it! seen the movie! Ha Ha Ha. Damn. I realy should have come up with something better for my first post.

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Enjoyably Dumb

    by Frank B.

    I don't know I really liked it.The beginning of the film had some pretty chilling moments(The Invisible Gorilla comes to mind)and the last half hour was enjoyably idiotic.It was like watching a cross between Friday the 13th and Tom and Jerry.Paul Verhoeven couldn't make a boring film if he tried(Notice I didn't say good)

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Everybody is a critic. This is a good movie!

    by Rogue PA

    To be honest, I could criticize any movie. I don

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 11:10 p.m. CST

    hollow eyes

    by boomzilla8

    Check a series of books called wildcards.... the first couple have a character who can turn invisible at will... the made the point that he could only see when he left his eyes visible... other than that he was blind in that state... check the upcoming installment of Hoolw sucking Serum go in serum go out

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Serum go in serum go out...

    by boomzilla8

    how does this magic serum work? shouldn't turning invisible through an injection to the bloodstream work from inside out??? It did for the Ape. My GF answered the question perfectly... Because it's cooler! If you're invisible and locked everyone in but you...wouldn't you just set the explosives for 3 minutes and go? Since apparently the serum made him impervious to fire and electricity would you need to leave? You can't outrun an explosion I don't think you can out climb it... If you are above a giant fire in an elevator shaft...you should sweat. I'm a rich super scientist and a govt. general guy but look!! I don't have a cell phone. Look we're trapped underground and the phone line is cut...anybody remember my hotmail account password? Hey I don't wanna kill animals but I'll work on a project that has no other applications other than military. Hey that invisible guy is after me... oh I know. why don't I just turn on the air conditioning and leave my freakin' infrared glasses on!!! I mean he's naked for christsakes Hey!! somebody set the dogs loose to catch him. Hey somebody set off the fire alarms!! Hey I'm cold and fainted from blood loss... let's out climb an explosion and get into a fight. Hey the motion detector only see's three things moving in a place full of animals Hey!! that serum turns you crazy and invisible... nobody spraypaint I'm invisible on my chest... Look blood sticks then it doesn't I think being invisible makes me slippery I don't burn! I don't bleed! I don't shock easily!! (look at my butt) Rubber mask making stuff doesn't dry in my hair! If I didn't have airholes for my nose I'd go crazy too.. No thatnk you... don't use fondation or makeup, I prefer to look like burn patient. Hey you guys go on ahead... I'll go back by myself I forgot something! Hey being invisible makes me asss stealthy as a ninja... ie: leather don't squeek under my naked but, feet is silent on cement floor.. and odor molecules don't comeoff me that's why I don't smell diff.... no that's not food digesting in my gut I'm just happy to see you. Hey BY THE WAY!!! WHY 'DID' MY HAIR TURN INVISIBLE??? I thought those cells were as dead as my career. Hey our invisible boss is going crazy and stalking people...I know LET'S HAVE SEX!!!

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 11:37 p.m. CST

    I liked consumers movie better...

    by boomzilla8

    Only add... what if hot next door neighbor living in a city these days doesn't open th edoor wide and rush into the hall when she doesn't see someone playing at the bell...!! was she playing peek a boo with the rapist? maybe she thought it was only a crazy serial killer. I'm a man and don't open the door wide and walk out in my bathrobe...(i'm shy)

  • Aug. 6, 2000, 11:55 p.m. CST

    huh? what?

    by Omega Red

    Whats going on? I just got back from hollow man, and i was really liking it up until the end (from the return of Brolin's character onward). So its late and I figured I'd stop by and check out reviews....When the fuck did www.aint-it-cool-news.com become www.capalert.com? Who cares about immorality? Humans and humanity in general are sick fucks...why should hollywood be any different? Although i agree that this wasnt a good movie, i hope it does well to encourage more filmmakers to push the boundries of "bad taste"...Imagine what people would say to "realistic" movies....I want skull fucking! I want to see the kids killed while their parents watched! You people can hate me all you want, i dont give a fuck...but it'll take more than kevin bacon killing a dog to offend me (and dont give me shit, i have a dog and 3 cats, and i am an animal lover) Who knows, maybe i'm totally wrong and I am a sick fuck, but you people need to shut up about Verhoeven. He's not afraid to do the "unthinkable" and that might just be too uncomfortable for some people. Ok, i'm out, flame if you feel the need to reduce yourself...cause i dont care anymore...

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 12:19 a.m. CST

    is a throwaway movie really acceptable to us?

    by Consumer

    The thing is, I was been just fine with paying full price to see X-Men a second time, cuz I thought they did a good competent job on it. I think that says something about a movie. I like to go over them again, when they come out on Video and DVD, and enjoy how nicely the good ones are crafted...THAT's the feeling I like getting from films. //// And Boomzilla, you're a riot! Your post had me busting a gut with laughter. It was like you had the movie tied to a fence and were taking potshots at it, drilling it full of holes. //// hey any of you who liked it, well okay then you liked it.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Another Inconsistency in the plot?

    by AndyG1

    If they've perfected making animals invisible ("that's the easy part") then why after Bacon is transformed for a few days do they say he's already been invisible longer than any of their test animals and they're wondering if it's affected his mind. Did I miss something? - Haven't the test animals been invisible for quite some time and living healthy? Also. let's hit him on the back one time with a crow bar and then go console our girlfriend and turn our back on this invisible mass murderer - makes a lot of sense. What a BS movie and BS directing. This movie begged to have the climax out in the real world and then have a twist at the end where the girl had to become invisible to kill him.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 1:35 a.m. CST

    HOLLOW MAN lacks testicles

    by MrFrost

    Perhaps someday, someone will have the fortitude to make a "invisible man" film that truly examines what sort of dark, and diabolical shananigans an invisible person would be up to. HOLLOW MAN's previews hinted that it might be such a film, but instead the story was bland, ridiculous, and predictable. Imagine if Abel Ferrara had made this film. Now that would be interesting.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Hey! Andrew Marlowe! Hope you've learned some important things

    by Bari Umenema

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Running from this crap

    by Lorunner

    I am connecting Showgirls to HM....Verhoeven seems to enjoy making crap movies with awful endings...Showgirls- Jesse Spanno simply leaves whatever it was she pushed the chick down the stairs for, for no reason. Hollow Man- A SHIT ending he just falls down the shaft into the fire...there certainly couldve been a better way to kill his invisible ass..and I also think the movie was good the first 20 minutes(except for the dumbass sticking his arm into a ANGRY INVISIBLE GORILLA cage!!!)-if the invisible man would have gone out into the "real world" I think we would have had a better movie. AND Fuck special effects, they were neat, but they dont do shit for the shit movie---SORRY!

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Marlowe pay particular attention to Consumer's "What if" post an

    by Bari Umenema

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 2:27 a.m. CST

    Omega Red

    by NC-17

    ...I couldn't agree with you more.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 2:53 a.m. CST

    HOLLOW MAN: WHY DID THE ENDING HAVE TO SUCK?

    by GFK

    okay, the story, cool. the characters, bland. the ending, gay as hell. Kevin Bacon WAS the only likeable character, and he died. what the hell?!! NO one is sitting in that theater screaming "get that horrible killer" theyre screaming, "get those horrible other characters you killer you!" Okay, I really liked the first 3/4 of the movie, and I liked how Kevin Bacon slowly progressed into torment, but i dont think he should have gone completely psycho and started killing his colleagues, I mean it wasnt believable. And how can anyone survive being burned severely, hit over the head with crowbar very hard, and electrocuted, live to chase these guys up the elevator shaft? NOT BUYING IT! This should have been the ending: Bacon does kill everyone, but very slyly, he doesnt blow up the lab right away, but sets it ablaze later, making people believe he died along with his colleauges, meanwhile he escapes scott free. Now he roams the streets invisible from all to see, I can just see the shot of him walking down the street fully clothed, taking of eachone to disapear, and you still hear his footsteps walk away. VO by Sebastian: "Now I am completely free, but watch out, because you wont know if its me who gave you that chill, or that noise you hear late at night. But hey, its probably nothing, right?" Laugh Laugh Laugh. AWESOME! eh, maybe I'll remake this one later in life.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Correct Me If I'm Wrong But.......

    by The Founder

    didn't you blokes already know the premise of HM going in? I sure as hell did and the movie was good. Now what gets me is that most of us posters are sci-fi geeks and we tend to have a more critical eye than the average moviegoer for sci-fi/fantasy films. I'm sorry anyone here who went in expecting this to be on par with 2001 or such is an idiot. After seeing the preview I knew what the movie would be about(hell even my girlfriend did, she said I wanna see the movie with the invisable guy killing people) scientist invents invisability uses it for evil coworkers try to stop him he traps them in lab to keep his secret for getting out starts to pick them off. HM was very entertaining, the FX were awesome, and the action was good. Did the HM have flaws? Hell yes a list of them; the constant removal of the goggles, his unexplained increase in strength, and the worst of them is the flame thrower this alone should have taken the fight out of him. At any rate HM was a good slasher flick mixed with sci-fi and nothing more. Really guys at least try to have fun going to the movies,trying to pick a movie like this apart is a waste of time just accept it for what it was a thrill ride.I can't belive some of you are so pissed that you've actually stooped to insulting the actors personally whats up with that? Bacon,Devane, and Shue are good actors and the rest of the cast was decent to insult them is just plain petty you guys should be better than this hell i've been burnt by movies,but that didn't result in attacking somone's character(B.E was bad enough to make me stoop this low but I didn't)Here's hoping The Cell(after x-men,but could come before) will be your sci-fi movie of the summer?

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Ladies and gentlemen, the Hollow Man song(sung to the tune of St

    by XTheCrovvX

    Bacon, he's got a movie to see/ thats just loaded with sexual abuse/ Saw his ass/saw his ass, Tried to laugh/tried to laugh, But it's no use/ Grope, man, Grope, man Grope/ (muffled) needle in his vein, fucking with his brain /cause his partners bitched too much/(muffled) Barking wouldnt end, so he bashed the puppy's head/Grope, man, grope, man, grope/(muffled) needle in my vein, fuckin with my brain/was touching her tit a bit too much?/ Trippin' , cause i'm undressin'/ This hottie, her name's Liz Shue/ I hate the other man/bastard man, bastard man / cause now he's gropin' her too / Grope, man, grope, man, grope/(muffled) Disappearing ape, with invisible rape/The mad dutchman's just too much/(muffled) He's no more a loser, cause of Starship Troopers/Grope, man, Grope, man, grope/(muffled) Did people get ripped, cause of a piece o' shit script?/The fucking editor cut too much/(Bridge) And I'm thinkin' / What's Kevin thinkin?/ Has he been drinkin?/ Morals are slippin....thank you :-)...Revolution is my name....

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Worst Movie Ever

    by nucahx

    Uhhh Kevin Bacon Lifts a 250 lb. man with his bare hands. Kevin Bacon cannot be hurt by 3rd Degree burns. Kevin Bacon cannot be hurt by electricity. Elizabeth Shue is the worst actress on the planet. Why did she go for the blood??? Ahhhhh...... this movie SUCKS

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Science is sexy

    by Melvin Van Halen

    No one is still reading these, are they? My two favorite things in HM, One - lab houses the three best looking damn scientists in the world - and of course they all sleep with each other Two - the pentagon biggies with their "You've had enough time to master invisibility. If you can't do it, we'll get someone else!" DUDE, SETTLE DOWN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INVISIBILITY HERE! IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE! I laughed out loud at that scene.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 10:19 a.m. CST

    A fun movie...until THE ALL TIME WORST ENDING IN CINEMATIC HISTO

    by Dirk Diggler

    It was like 2 completely different movies. I had fun for 2/3rds of it, but DAMN, that last 1/3rd was SHIT. Complete trash. Some of the worst cinema I've ever seen. I want some revenge.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Hollow yet entertaining

    by ALPHAOMEGA

    I must admit I enjoyed Hollow Man more than I thought I would, but then again, I didn't have to pay for it (one of the perks of having a brother who manages a multiplex). It wasn't great, but it was entertaining. However, I couldn't help but notice the HUGE plot line left in the film. Whatever happened to the neighbor who he was stalking? Are we to assume he killed her? If he did, why wasn't the audience treated to a news snippet that said something along the lines of "Local woman found murdered?". I think that would have illustrated the depths of Kevin Bacon's lunacy more than him smashing that dog, which was repugnant, and unnecessary. One other thing: Since when do gorillas, which are herbivores, eat mice? Entertaining, but flawed.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 10:41 a.m. CST

    i could see right through Hollow Man

    by GamitsByYou

    What is wrong with Hollow-oops I mean Hollywood today? How can you look at a final cut of a film like Hollow Man and say.."Yeah, Im proud of this film..it looks great..everything came out superb." When obviously, (just look at all these negative postings) it did not come out as planned. The plot of this movie was good...but it fell short for me at....casting. Am I to believe that Elizabeth Shue is a scientist? She came off like Ralph Machio's girlfriend in Karate Kid wearing a lab coat! What were they thinking? Also, big flaws I noticed were...Kevin "check out my ass" Bacon's obvious nods to his singing career with his horrible crooning in his car on the way to work....I watched Robocop the night before seeing this movie and it just made the final result hurt more. Verhoven could have done so much more..with this film. Hollowwood, SUCK IT!

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 11:09 a.m. CST

    "Me love you long time"

    by ziranova

    I'm sorry, I was just thinking about the GOOD movie I saw this weekend on Skinamax -- FULL METAL JACKET. As for HM, I did like the first hour of the movie, but then it desintegrated into a highly visible piece of excrement. The funniest scene for me was definitely the duct tape. You know what they say about duct tape? It's like the force. It has a dark side and a light side and holds the universe together.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 11:15 a.m. CST

    This movie might have been better had they explained a few thing

    by Gummo999

    ...when did they ever tell us that once you were invisible you had Superman strength? Able to withstand crowbar hits to the head...able to withstand a three-minute-long torching of the body...able to withstand being severly electrocuted. It could have been better by spending more time exploring Kevin Bacon on the streets, rather than what he would do in a lab. It feels alot like the Director held back, and with what I consider to be a fairly decent story, he should have gone all the way. Overall, I would recomend waiting for the video or DVD. Other than that the trailer for UNBREAKABLE with Bruce Willis and Sam Jackson was mighty fuckin cool.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 11:27 a.m. CST

    lapses in judgment

    by Harvey Dent

    I've got no problems with the violence, the sex, anything like that. It's necessary to a moral examination like this could have been. I'm just so damn pissed about all the glaring inconsistencies, most of which have already been mentioned here (taking off the glasses, invisible man becomes invincible too, etc). But I don't think anyone has mentioned the one that pissed me off most: Caine wanted to become visible again, at least at first. So why the hell wasn't HE working on a solution to his problem. They give us all that crap about Brolin having to go through B and C to get to D, and that ridiculous computer simulation about his "reversion formula" but not once do they ask Caine, nor does he volunteer, to help with the formula, the one man who Brolin admits jumps from A to D with regularity. The justification for the fake skin was so they could all WORK together without being weirded out by the fact he's invisible. So why did he not go to work after the fact? Just another example of these brilliant scientists acting like labotomy patients.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Ain't science grand...

    by Dharma Bum

    I had no idea that feces had the person's identical genetic code!!! Apparently only serum can be seen entering the body when phased.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Ain't science grand...

    by Dharma Bum

    I had no idea that feces had the person's identical genetic code!!! Apparently only serum can be seen entering the body when phased.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, something else just dawned on me!!!

    by Deacon Blues

    Even though he's invisible, he still would have left FINGERPRINTS!!! So his little visit to the nameless woman with the big tits....Oh I forgot D.C. police are idiots...nevermind

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Was it really as bad as Battlefield earth?

    by Grimas

    The only crime that hollowman commited is being a formula by the numbers summer movie. I don't see this thing being any different than deep blue sea or any other movie created with a hook or gimmack to get your butt into the theatre.Battlefield earth on the other hand was/is a complete piece of unwatchable shit.I watched travolta sell this thing on David lettermen and charlie rose and accually believed or wanted to believe his bullshit.It took him ten some odd years to get this made and he talked with such passion about it. It took about 10minutes in to have that feeling that it was going to be a long night and it was. I take hollowman for what it is, a throw away summer movie with a intresting gimmack paired with good special effects.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Aw c'mon...

    by saintsyn

    I though the scene where he scared the two kids in the car across from him was worth the price of admission......

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 2:55 p.m. CST

    It blew (invisible) chunks.

    by Merry Slander

    I had read that our friend, the mad dutchman, set out to make a "Hollywood" film. Well He dertainly did. And in the process he lost the unique vision that generally makes his films such a pleasure. Aside from the wonderous special effects the film had nothing to offer. The single worst sin is that a film purportedly about an invisible man could ahve just as easily featured a shark or an alien or Jason Voorhees in his place. I got the distinct impression during Hollow Man that I was watching Deep Blue Sea. Think about it. Austere labs in an out of the way local. The standard variety pack of humanoids. Guys with ridiculous names (Sebastian Cain, HM and Carter Blake,DBS). Trap in seculded locale and stir until frothy. Throw in a dash of primo effects and some juducious gore. Wrap it all in a really enclosed space to wring out the tension. Like and elevator shaft or an access tunnel. DAMN. I swear. They are the same film! (I know DBS didn't end right there, but you get my drift heh?) So anyway. Waste of time and talent. Here's hoping Paul returns to form. I was looking forward to a sick and twisted vision. I got shit.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 2:56 p.m. CST

    wanna mako something of it?

    by ziranova

    I liked DEEP BLUE SEA, too! That one scene with Samuel L. Jackson is one of the most stunning things I've ever seen in a movie. ManOwar --- LOL!

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Those breasts were awesome!

    by NC-17

    Nuff' said.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 3:29 p.m. CST

    talkback

    by B Wayne

    Fuck! A talkbacker either hates a movie or loves it. No in betweens. For me, I am mixed about this movie.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 3:47 p.m. CST

    hollow man

    by Grimas

    MY rant was more against comparing hollowman to Battlefield earth. Battlefield earth was terrible . I thought hollowman was good for the first hour, but it just started to became to perdictable and the deja vu ending reminded me of the last part in aliens and the part in deep blue sea where their climbing up that elevator shaft or whatever it was.I also did enjoy the special effects in Deep Blue Sea. I was just saying that the movie was based around a hook like hollowman was. You can still have fun with it,ButI thought the parts where better than the whole.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 5:51 p.m. CST

    A steaming heap of crap

    by Honus_Wagner

    This movie had a ton of potential but just got rigoddamndiculous. They made a big point to show the thumb print scan to get into the basement of the facility....how did he get back in without the thumb............Biggest weapon vs. a 160lb. scrawny, invisible man????....a can of Krylon to mark him, find him and beat his ass like the little punk he is.........The serum seems to spread via the blood stream; since your teeth and hair don't get much blood flow, why would they get invisible????.....This could have been a great movie about a man who was invisible and the challenges you face in the real world. You can go out and rob, steal, and get rich off of the weak. But how do you spend the money when you are invisible. You can wear the goofy mask and clothes but you'd have to play the role of a burn victim and you would never score with the chicks. Dumb,dumb,dumb

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 6:26 p.m. CST

    The biggest PLOT HOLE of all!

    by warpt

    If Kevin Bacon's character really wanted the chick with the round tits all he had to do was show her his damn porshe! She woulda been on that invisible penis in a second!

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Hollow Wallet

    by ridley1979

    I want my $5.00 back. If I wanted special effects and nothing more, I'd drink a case of beer and settle for SCI-FI's Invisible Man.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Box office

    by Grimas

    I read where it opened with 26 million and is in the number one spot. The biggest resistence it had would have been the klumps and it beat that. The klumps made 17 million. hollowman could have some staying power,Just like another good movie i saw final destination. hollowman might be able to slowly gain a profit.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 7:47 p.m. CST

    The script for Hollow Man not bad...

    by Jack Burton

    I found it at Drew's Script O Rama and read it last night. It's in 8 parts but you'll figure out how to make them all come up. Anyway, the 1st half of the script is REALLY good. The second half is nearly as bad as the ending of the movie, although not as violent and it doens't have the "stay here in the tunnel while I get blood" scene. Instead, they move the guy to the lab before she splits off to get blood, but it makes more sense. The script differs in that it makes clear that Sebastian prowls around asaulting girls A LOT and even admits to it toward the end. There is talk about what the military could do with this technology, and Sebastian is shown to be an okay guy that loses it as the weeks pass by and he stays invisible. He even is trying to figure out the reversion formula for the most part, as opposed to letting Matt do it all in the movie, and he and Matt are shown to be best friends, making the betrayal he feels all the more convincing, not just psychotic. The dog kiling scene is in the script, but makes more sense since the dog NEVER shuts up and finally drives Sebastian truly over the edge. In the script the dog's bark is described as "like Chinese Water Torture". The violence is more toned down, and the apparent rape of the neighbor is handled pretty tastefully for the subject matter. She answers the door, he sneaks in, door closes leaving camera view in hall. Next you hear screams, then it fades out. The next scene it describes the girl as curled in the fetal position naked and crying as the door opens up and closes by itself. Pretty creepy and in my mind, a lot scarier then the voyeur cam we get in the movie. My point is that the script had some really good ideas, but Verhoeven tossed them in favor of the moronic slasher flick he made. The script needed to have the entire final act re-written, no doubt about it. But if you read it you will see that they actually did have a grasp on how to handle the material, at least for the first hour or so.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Science FICTION, kids

    by Darth Tenor

    I really didn't care for Hollow Man as a film, but I really think if you're going to nitpick on the effects of an invisibility serum, DON'T SEE AN INVISIBLE MAN MOVIE!!!! His hair is invisible because IT'S A MOVIE!! His teeth are invisible because IT'S A MOVIE!! His crap and puke are invisible because IT'S A MOVIE!!

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 10:30 p.m. CST

    ROTOSCOPING?!

    by Gionago

    Metatron, you are an idiot and a liar.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Coulda Been...

    by Grimjack99

    Is it just me, or does the thought of a large, rampaging, invisible ape scare greater than the thought of a rampaging, invisible, naked Kevin Bacon? Just a thought...

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 10:48 p.m. CST

    What the hell?

    by toolhaus

    I went into this movie thinking it was going to be cool. It did not disappoint for about the first hour. I figured that they would get all of the boring lab stuff out of the way early so he can get out into the real world and really wreak havoc. About 15 minutes before the end I came to the horrible realization that there would be no Kevin Bacon unleashed upon unsuspecting citizens but rather another confined space/escape/hunting episode like we have seen so many times before. How cool would it have been to see Kevin messing with people and robbing banks and stuff? This is what I expected from Verhoven and I was sadly disappointed.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 10:51 p.m. CST

    A Little Too Harsh

    by Gionago

    I apologize for my previous post; I should have been a little more elaborate: "Rotoscoping? Chroma-KEY? For Those of you who don't know the lingo??!" Metatron, you pedantic cunt, if there is anything I cannot tolerate it is ostentatious ILM-wannabes who liberally sprinkle buzzwords that were all the hype during the heyday of Nam-Jun Paik in order to sound like they know their "lingo." And to underestimate the inteligence of EVERYONE reading the post is the most insulting. The special effects are unimpressive because they are based on Rotoscoping and Chroma-Key? That's like saying you're unimpressed with a big fucking tree because you've seen the seed. These effects are used in the final implementation of what you see on screen. All the effects are rendered by computer, and then composited (another piece of "lingo" for you; a more plebian way of saying "CHROMA KEY") with a filmed image. The compositing is not THE special effect, it is part of a big cake. You're a bitch! I kill! Next time you want to talk down to the general public, don't get your facts from Wayne's World.

  • Aug. 7, 2000, 11:56 p.m. CST

    You think you're all so smart..

    by SpikeSpiegel

    Well give it up. None of you are witty by making puns on the title of Hollow Man, no matter how true they are.

  • Aug. 8, 2000, 12:55 a.m. CST

    PSYCHO?

    by RockStarJebus

    Ok, why is it that whenever someone puts something in a movie that is very violent and graphic that they're automatically branded as a psycho? That's rediculous. I, for one, laughed at the scene where he killed the dog. I thought it was funny. But you know what? I'm not psycho, and i'm not sick, and i'm not perverted, and i'm not insane. IT'S A MOVIE. If i saw someone in real life kill a dog i'd kill them, but guess what? IT'S A MOVIE. IT DIDN'T REALLY HAPPEN. When i see things like that in a movie i think it's cool. Not because I'm sick or perverted, but because watching a movie allows me to suspend reality, to become the character, and to see and do things that society restricts me from doing. Verhoeven is not a Psycho, sick, perverted bastard. I swear to God, if some people had it their way we'd all be watching fucking church revivals and the Billy fucking Graham network and that would be it. If you don't want to watch violence, THEN DON'T WATCH IT, but don't say people who like it are psycho and need prayers.

  • Aug. 8, 2000, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Mediocre... restrained & unoriginal

    by BrianSLA

    Just that it was mediocre. It didn't push the boundries nor did go anywhere original. It also followed >> SPOILERS FROM NOW ON << the I am an Idiot horror cliche. Why did they ever take off their infrared goggles? They have a psycho invisible man loose... heh let me take off the only thing that I can see him with.And why doesn't Caine who knows he is about to kill everyone... why didn't he smash all the goggles and break all the tranquilizer guns? He comes back at 3am but waits till morning and everyone to arrive before he starts his killing spree? Why didn't he just do it one by one ? Hell why doesn't he just use the tranq guns? I am with the other poster who says that Caine should have slaughtered them all and won.

  • Aug. 8, 2000, 1:47 a.m. CST

    100 minutes of my life I will never get back...

    by lisa

    Same old Verhoven shite that looks good in the trailers and is so bad when you see it. This man can make any calaber of actor look shitty. "I think I heard an explosion" is a line that should follow Elizabeth Shue to her grave. Wow, what a disappointment. Spelling may be bad but I just got back from watching this thing..

  • Aug. 8, 2000, 2:28 a.m. CST

    I don't know what you guys are talking about, I though Chevy Cha

    by odessastepz

    With Chevy Chase taking the lead and William Goldman helping out in the script department, I really thought this movie took the whole "invisible man" genre in a new direction. That invisible-man-plays-tennis scene was unforgettable. Kudos to all involved!

  • Aug. 8, 2000, 3:44 a.m. CST

    speaking of chevy chase

    by Grimas

    why did'nt they just try putting makeup on kevin bacons invisible face like they did in the john carpenter film. Bacon would have looked a little less weird and out of place.

  • Aug. 8, 2000, 4:56 a.m. CST

    out of my mind

    by SkyWhore

    I listenend to some friends who said that this was a scary crazy movie... I went against everything and went to see it.... This movie was awful. 100 minutes of my life gone is the best way to put it. I should have just gone to sleep, sleep would have been more productive.

  • Aug. 8, 2000, 5:23 a.m. CST

    To Mali Ocean..

    by Daryl van Horn

    Ok I got a question here...what did that crack mean about Verhoeven 'probably having been trained well in propaganda" and then as if some big secret: "He's DUTCH"...as a reason?? I am dutch and what the hell do we have to do with propaganda?? Or are you one of those ignorant idiots who doesn't know the difference between dutch and german?? This being an attempt at a Nazi-crack? We fought the Nazis okay? The dutch resistance was even fiercer than the french. If you want to see propaganda, I suggest you look at american political campaigns, or those horrific NRA commericals. We don't have that sh*t. I am not a paritcular great fan of Verhoeven. He is an able filmmaker and a great visualist, but his tastes for the sensational have always stopped me of really looking forward to his 'next one'. But I have enjoyed some of his movies,like Robocop, or Total Recall...and yes on a sugar eye candy level even Starship Troopers (sorry, that 'satire' level didn't make up for lack of story or believable characters) although from what I hear Hollow Man will dissappoint me too. But please, keep your 'nationalistic-insultive' remarks to yourself. Or at least have them make some sense, so that you at least will APPEAR to know what you're talking about. Thanks.

  • Aug. 8, 2000, 9:22 a.m. CST

    the visible serum + electric shock

    by hasdi

    anyone noticed that when the visible serum were administered, the gorilla were given electric shock but Sebastian Caine was not? did you notice that the gorilla briefly turned fully visible at every shock? And did you notice that Sebastian turned partially visible after he was electrocuted in the end? I think Paul Verhoeven did this on purpose, to hint you why serum worked on the gorilla but not on Caine. You need the serum to initiate the visibility process, and then you must apply the electric shock. Or, you only need the electric shock to restore the bio-electrical properties of the invisible body. What do you think?

  • Aug. 8, 2000, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Ooooh, this is funny

    by Smugbug

    You know I KNEW this movie would, ahem "suck big time." Verhoevan has been missing his past brilliance for awhile now. So, you know what I did? SAVED MY MONEY -and skipped the premiere. We watched a much better movie at home - The Iron Giant. You know you people crack me up, a movie like the Iron Giant opens up to almost zero dollars and you folks shell out for crud like Hollow Man. Blame yourselves for continually supporting the Hollywood suits to make more movies like Hollow Man and less movies like Iron Giant (or other better movies that don't get the attention....).

  • Aug. 8, 2000, 12:30 p.m. CST

    HOLLOW MAN BILLING

    by SEBASTIANCAINE

    How was it that Elizabeth Shue got top billing over Kevin Bacon? Was he not the title character as well as a bigger star than her?

  • Aug. 8, 2000, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Bush and Gore

    by Snarkman

    NC-17 wants more sex and violence in movies and I agree. All summer I've heard people whine they're "tired of Bush and Gore" and I say "That's what movies are for!" When I go to a Verhoeven flick I expect LOTS of bush and gore! Yes, there was a little violence and plenty of breasts, and my date was thrilled we finally got to see the Six Inches of Kevin Bacon ("Long overdue! Well, overdue, anyway.") But, Hell, if your going to a movie, and you're 8.50 doesn't get you bush and gore, then yore going to be disappointed.

  • Aug. 8, 2000, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Kevin Bacon's penis.

    by TheShavenMonkey

    Even if Hollow Man did suck, didn't you guys enjoy seeing Kevin's penis with no skin on it? Oh, I just reminded myself of something.....Is it just me or was his dick significantly smaller than it was in Wild Things?

  • Aug. 8, 2000, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Chroma Key and rotoscoping?

    by ThereIsNoSpoon

    Dude, I've worked as a digital effects artist and when I see something like hollow man all I think is "Damn, that must have taken FOREVER!" You see Kevin's Bacon with no skin on it, I see some poor schlub working until sunrise, napping for an hour and going back at it again. You see "Chroma Keying and rotoscoping" and I see a bunch of guys that would saw their arms off for a shower and a solid 8 hours of sleep. At one studio I worked at, we had a maintainence checklist for all our equipment. For a joke, someone put up an "employee self maintainence checklist". They said things like "Have you shaved this month?" "Do you even remember what your wife looks like?" "Don't have a wife? When was the last time you went on a date?" This was funny at first but the closer we got to deadline, the more people actually began checking the list. Some suit comes up with a release date. If we ever do go home, we have to pass a damn billboard for our show that says "Coming June 19 to theatres everywhere!" - easy for you to say! And you know how they always say "we'll fix it in post."? We're post! If the buck gets past us it's on the screen for everyone to see. So please, a little respect for the pasty faced vampires subsisting on coffee, mountain dew and vending machine snacks. They didn't make HM suck. They made the coolest parts of it. These guys are often the best things about most summer movies.

  • Aug. 8, 2000, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Oh, and as for the movie

    by ThereIsNoSpoon

    Liked watching Kevin loose his mind. Once it was gone, movie got lame. I think Paul is slowly recovering from his departure from SciFi action into softcore porn. This was slightly better than Troopers. But I wonder if we're ever going to get another Robocop out of him. For my Money, Cronenberg's "The Fly" was a much better exploration of a brilliant scientist loosing his mind after loosing his humanity in exchange for power. Especially since the climax was more than "I'm insane and I want to kill the entire cast off now!" Jeff Goldblum's plan to fuse Geena Davis and their unborn child into his body was an idea only a mad genius could come up with. It's a lot more devious, sinister, creative, and scary then just wanting to kill every one.

  • Aug. 8, 2000, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Kill the director

    by barkalounger

    I was sure that Verhoeven would never make a movie as absolutely shitty as Total Recall. I was right, but this one sucks, too.

  • Aug. 8, 2000, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Kill the director

    by barkalounger

    I was sure that Verhoeven would never make a movie as absolutely shitty as Total Recall. I was right, but this one sucks, too.

  • Aug. 8, 2000, 6:52 p.m. CST

    READ THIS!!! if you read only one talk-balk this is the one!

    by kevsnyde

    I didn't bother to read any of the other messages. Not-a-one! Why, cuz I'm pissed!!! I'm Fuckin ANGRY!!!! I just feel like tellin it like it is today! I realized today (after having to deal with the idiots I work with - which set off my mood. long story) that alot of things are wrong with the way we respond to what our mind is trying to tell us. And the more I realized this, the more angry I got, becuase I am to blame too. We kick and we scream on the inside that, say a movie, was not what we expected. We were totally disappointed. We anticipated it for months! Then, when it came time to watch the same regurgitated crap the studios throw at us since 1988, it's a major let down. Then after the fact, after YEARS of conditioning, we try to justify the abomination we just witnessed, so we can tell ourselves we like the fuckin thing. So we can convince ourselves to recommend it to our loved ones. so we can convince our selves to buy it on DVD! Well, I'm not gonna take it anymore!!! My mind told me that the Hollow Man sucked. Sorry. But it did. I'm not even going to try and justify it with the "At Least The Visuals Were Amazing" argument. Because you ALREADY KNEW THAT! They were incredible. a marvelous treat for the eye. But it MEANT NOTHING when wrapped around that story, if you want to call it that. Maybe my expectations are too high. Maybe I should be happy with the product Hollywood has been turning out. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. Well, if you ever doubt me, just look watch a DeBont flick. What's happening here people? When the only movies worth seeing are Finch, Zemeckis, Speilberg, & Cameron. And even those are borderline (although I'm very much anticipating Cast Away). Something needs to give here folks. Hollywood better wise up. I'm sick of telling myself, "Well, atleast the effects were good!" I NEED MORE THAN THAT! I can't keep watching The Matrix over and over again. Wow me Hollywood, Wow me! I dare ya. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna check to see when Hollow Man will be released on DVD. -Kevsnyde

  • Aug. 8, 2000, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Glorified Slasher Film

    by Neo_The1

    This film was nothing more than a glorified slasher film, with no suspense. Effects were good though. Script sucked.

  • Aug. 9, 2000, 1:26 a.m. CST

    thank you disney geek

    by theprophet

    I agree wholeheartedly. Why is it that Kevin Bacon or anyone for that matter would think that anyone else would ever want to see Kevin Bacon naked. Seriously, was the butt shot necessary, or the special effects penis. Give me a break. Same with the shower scene in Wild Things. Talk about a bad way to end a movie. Anyway, about the movie. I thought it was a fun movie to watch. Lots of eye candy, even though the T&A wasn't that good. The girl who got "raped" (why didn't they show that?) had the most obvious fake tits I have ever seen. And my other complaint is that the movie reverted back to a cliched horror movie the last ten minutes, with the heroic girl and her geeky boyfriend. Can't anyone think of a new ending? Please.

  • Aug. 9, 2000, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Claude Raines Was Better

    by Goodgulf

    First, the Holoow Man wasn't as bad as I had thought from reading early reviews. But it was original either. Bacon was good at being nasty, egotistical and creepy. The effects, as every one has said were superb. But I didn't like the love triangle. I didn't care about the characters, and the director and the script didn't give me any incentive to like them. So what I was left with was a special effect thrill ride, that fortunately I can deal with. The story was mostly a poorly done rehash of the original Claude Raines Invisible Man movie, updated with some scifi double-talk. Instead of the lone scientist of the 1930's we now have the "team". But the end result is the same. Scientist takes invisibility serum. Scientist goes mad. Scientist gets his moral "reward" in the end.

  • Aug. 9, 2000, 11:28 a.m. CST

    This Summer Sucks

    by Wee Willie

    Hollow Man is yet another in a long line of pieces of shit the studios have foisted upon us this summer. I think this is the worst summer for movies EVER!

  • Aug. 9, 2000, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Hollow Man

    by Mr. Sarcasm

    Let's count the annoying, tired, used-up cliches in this movie: 1. A silly name as bad as anything used on a daytime soap opera: Sebastian Caine 2. Another character with a God complex-at least he falls short of using that line Alec Baldwin did in that doctor movie: "'I'm not playing God... I AM GOD"3. When it's all over and the Kevin Bacon character is killed for the 5th-and almost final time-one of the characters says 'My God' - and the heroine-who has just killed him again-says 'Not anymore' (see above) 4. Kevin Bacon's character's name is 'Sebastian Caine' Where did they get that name? I swear it's been used for every villian in every daytime soap opera 5. The multiple killing of the bad guy-just like Fatal Attraction-in more ways than one. Not only is Kevin Bacon drowned, he's also electrocuted, gassed, lit on fire 5 times, pierced with some kind of tire-iron type thing and lives through several explosions and beatings to the head with a fire extinguisher 5. The annoying, quirky, sarcastic quips-made popular by Bruce Willis in all34 Die Hard movies 6. The duelling guys over girl-always the former boyfriend VS. the NEW boyfriend 7. The part where the bad guy is choking the life out of his ex girlfriend-also the last living person who can stop him when, all of a sudden, the NEW boyfriend comes out of nowhere with the aforementioned tire-iron type thing and beats him to death (for the 3rd time) 8. The gradual offing of all of the other characters that are involved in the 'invisible project' 9. Governemt conspiracy-because the government is funding the project and Bacon decides it's too big to give up to the government 10. Elizabeth Shue - who actually did have a good role once where she announced to Nicholas Cage that he could 'fuck me in the ass... cum on my face-whatever your pleasure is' becomes trapped in a meat-freezer (in a science lab?) along with the new boyfriend and after being locked in-has the temperature turned down to minus 100-which goes from +50 to minus 100 in a matter of seconds. THEN-she manages to take one of those heart-reviver things they use to shock the chest of people-and she rips the big metal chest things off, and rips a solid metal handle off of a drawer and attaches it to the wires of the heart-reviving machine and makes - GET THIS-an electro-magnet! YES-stolen from the lost eisodes of MacGyver! So she manages to slide the bar that has barricaded the door shut using this magic magnet and then starts a fire in a giant metal garbage can/oil drum and drags her much heavier/much larger boyfriend beside it after he had already stopped breathing. By the way-when she was inside the freezer-from the time she was first locked in to maybe 10 seconds later - when the cooling was turned on-she was crying and the tear streams on her face were freezing. 11. The ticking timebomb routine. You know-Speed, Die Hard 1, 2 or 3-not sure. Bacon builds a time bomb-using.... I don't even know-so after all of the fights and deaths we have to undure seeing the ticks of the digital clock: 12... 11...10...9...8...7... This part lasted about 2 hours to make 15 seconds go off the clock-not unlike the last 5 minutes of an NBA playoff game 12. The pursuing fireball! You've seen this in Mission Impossible and a million other movies. This time it is done in an elevator shaft-pushing an industrial sized elevator upwards-toward Shue and the new boyfriend while they try to escape the giant explosion. SO as the elevator is shooting upwards-they're able to lay flat against the wall as it passes right by them-and gouges out a giant chunk of Shue's shoulder-meanwhile she's still able to climb-and later-fight Kevin Bacon on the top of the rapidly falling elevator. 13. Also-when they were climbing up and the elevator passed them-the flames from the explosion stopped just short of them below. Of course there didn't seem to be any heat coming off of the explosion or flames bothering them-I guess this is because heat now falls instead of rising. THen-when the elevator starts falling-it gets all tied up and stops just 2 inches from crushing them in the head. 14. There was also the part where-when Shue and Bacon were fighting on the top of the elevator-she manages to figure out which rope to hold on to and then somehow flicks something to make the elevator plummet-with Bacon on it-into the giant fireball-while she holds on to this rope. Then she climbs up the rope-bad arm and all (also-not bleeding-despite the heat) and into the arms of her new boyfriend-who basically watched the entire time. 15. There were also a ton of those parts where the hero was going to save someone but a ladder would break at the last minute-or a security door would close at the last second.

  • Aug. 10, 2000, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Where

    by Holzi

    I just saw the german version of this film in a press-preview and though I was a bit disappointed about the lame second half and the non-existing character-development I wondered where all the "hard stuff" went? Wasn

  • Aug. 10, 2000, 7:55 p.m. CST

    I think they used the SFX for something else

    by Central805

    Was there a plot in this movie? I think the makers of this movie made that disappear! A blindfolded, retarded monkey with a pen taped to his hand could write a better script than this! I would do much cooler shite if I was invisible than kill people. I'd fuck around with people. I'd wait around in elevators and when someone walked in i'd press all the fuckin buttons. Sure it may sound lame but invisible people must get bored too! Oh, and Kevin, next time keep your flabby ass off screen!!!

  • Aug. 11, 2000, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Hollow Man Rock and Roll song

    by nrose101

    Does anyone know the song Kevin Bacon sings in his car on the way to the office, it driving me nuts, that I can't figure it out. Thanks.

  • Aug. 12, 2000, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Real Movie length

    by Biomutant

    I heard that a couple of people (test public)saw the extra long version of Hollow Man. How long (in minutes)was this version? are there scenes missing in the offical version? I'm a big fan of Paul's movies If you have info about this please contact me:mdruten@hotmail.com Thanks!

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 6:20 p.m. CST

    I'm laughing my ass of

    by andreasingo

    I'm sitting here and laughing my ass of on you poor whiners out there. I know what this movie would be like - a Paul Verhoven NO HOLDS BARREL SFX movie and it delivered the gods. Pure adademy award material here. Best damned effects I ever have seen. Of course the acting was bad - it's Paul Verhoven we are talking about here! But I have to give it to Kevin Beacon. He was excellent given the material he had to work with. This movie was just so much fun so I'm just laughing at you whiners out there that clearly didn't know what to expect. I'm gonna get this movie UNRATED on dvd and I'm gonna laugh again - cause I will enjoy it no matter what you think.

  • Sept. 9, 2000, 6:28 p.m. CST

    And one more thing

    by andreasingo

    I guess Paul Verhoven is laughing too. This IS SFX PORN and it doesn't get any better than this. Did you ever expect anything else goin into a movie directed by the crazy dutch? PAUL VERHOVEN ROCKS!