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It's gonna be called CHARLIE AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY
Hey folks, Harry here... There really hasn't been any 'perceptible', by us folks here, movement upon what most seem to call the WILLY WONKA REMAKE. If you remember, this is a project that Gary Ross (director of PLEASANTVILLE) has to direct (though not necessarily as his next film). We know that Scott Frank was working on the script... but we also know that Scott is working on many scripts besides this one... So from what I've heard this is definately moving forward... but in little steps... little steps. Ross wants to get this one just right, he wants to make it like he read it in Dahl's book. So relax and enjoy the wait...
Hey Harry,
It's me, the Dahl-freak that wrote you about the Wonka remake a few months
ago. It looks like
we're going to have to stop referring to it as such though. I've just had
another e-mail from the
Roald Dahl Foundation confirming the title of the movie: "Charlie and the
Chocolate Factory."
That's right, no mention of Wonka. Literary fanboys will remember that this
was, in fact, the
original title of the book. Ever wonder why was it changed? Remember, this
movie came out in 1971.
According to "Roald Dahl: A Biography" by Jeremy Treglown: "... The title
was altered to 'Willy
Wonka and the Chocolate Factory' --'Charlie' being Afro-American slang for
a white man. The change
was explained in publicity handouts as reflecting an in fact nonexistent
expansion of Wonka's
role."
Anyway, it's not a lot of news but it is pretty significant. (Nearly every
movie rumor site on the
Net now has the title wrong.) I'll keep you posted if I hear anything new...
Dahl-Freak
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I just hope that whoever plays Wonka is as fu**ed up as Gene Wilder was in the 70's version.
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Go ahead and try to let them top Gene Wilder's genius. It's not possible I tell you.
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I thought I remembered reading Micael Jackson was going to play Willy Wonka.
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It also could have been changed because the reference to the Vietnam Wwar. Charlie was also slang for the North Vietnamese soldiers.
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While my usual opinion on remakes is that Hollywood generally shouldnt make them, I'm ambivalent on this project. This is from a decent director, and the writers and/or producers seemed to care enough to change the title back to it's orginal form (never knew "Charlie" was slang for the white man). On the other hand, this IS a remake. On a closing note, remember that it is the fanboy's favorite movie, Star Wars, that made sequel mania (and by extenstion remake mania) a reality in Hollywood.
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Ever wonder what would have happened if Fred Astair had played Mr. Wonka as originally cast?
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How can anyone be cooler than Gene Wilder?
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Just gettin' it out of the way.
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You buncha' Charlies, spreadin' yo white Charlie-Ass rumors. Keep yo Motherf***in' Charlie-Ass mouth's shut and let Spike Lee direct this motherf***er!
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Willy Wonka HAS to be played by John C. Reily.....just has to be....he even said he would do anything for the role....
Noone else could capture the magic of the character.. -
He's already got the frizzy hair, and he could start freaking out and crying when Violet turns into a big fat blueberry, telling her that she's beautiful and that he'll help her lose those pounds if its the last thing he does! Oh, and this is completely unrelated, but has anybody else seen those Spiderman production sketches that every movie site on the internet except AICN seems to be running? Is it me, or does Spiderman look like he's about 280 pounds of solid muscle? Yeah, great drawing, guys. That's exactly what Tobey Maguire would look like in spandex.
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I would assume THAT was the slang the studio was nervous about, given the year, and the national unrest over our role in Vietnam. "Charlie" as slang for white people? "Honky," I remember, but "Charlie"? Hmmm... RR
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I never knew it was changed in the US... in the UK it remains, as ever, "Charlie and...". Grrrrr, Americans changing names of books, first Harry Potter, then this (froth froth, injects with mood stabilisers). I'm sorry. Can anyone tell me if, as here, Willy is US slang for a penis?
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I am assuming that Charlie and the Chocolate Factory will not be a musical. I think that in itself will allow for something that is not meant to be a clone of WWATCF and so can be judged on its own merit. Think Anna and the King of Siam vs The King and I or Pygmalion vs My Fair Lady. Great straight movies and great movie musicals can be made from the same story.
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The original movie wasn't too bad an effort, marred by the odd mix of British & US accents and the Godawful songs.
It's possible to edit out all of them without leaving a trace, apart from that fucking number sung by Verucca Salt just before she gets hers.
Mr Dahl must have been puking when he heard those terrible ditties.
A case of "the Candyman Can't"...
Ps: Isn't "charlie" also a slang term for cocaine? So should that be the Nose-candyman can?
Oh, and "charlie" is also a UK slang-term for tits, too. -
This 'new' version WILL SUCK!!
S-U-C-K! They would never be
remaking this except that all the
studios have "Potter Envy" right
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Jul 25, 2000 12:32:02 PM CDT
BWAHAHAHAHA!!! "Charlie" and the Chocolate Factory!!! I LOVE IT!
by el duderino
Man, if I don't smell a Quientin Tarantino speech coming...
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Ok kiddies, there is only ONE actor who can bring the role of Willy Wonka back to the big screen with any hope of going over the top of Wilder's performance. And I think all you kiddies out there in wonka land know who it is. That actor is.................................................................................
THE IRON GIANT.
Where the fuck is Ringo!?!?!?!? -
I seem to recall that Charlie was also common slang for a boys name. Duh.
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Jul 25, 2000 1:16:50 PM CDT
Oompa loompa, doopadee doo, this article smells like fetid dog p
by niiiice
Again I ask, why make a remake when there are other stories to tell? Charlie and the Big Glass Elevator (not sure if I remembered the title correctly) is a sequel that has never been committed to film. There's a spirit in the original that would be totally lost in a remake. It's a classic, from the corny songs to the spoiled kids to the Everlasting Gobstoppers. If Jake Lloyd gets cast as Charlie I'm gonna hurt someone (probably myself).
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Hey what's up dudes? I'm a philistine corporate pig and I just wanted to tell you all the great things we are gonna do with this wonderful movie! Yes, we finally felt that the world was ready for a film with 'Charley' in the title. We all felt that the infamous race riots and bloody killings that took place after the first airing of 'Charlie's Angels' would not be repeated today...let's hope so, right, dudes?!! Some of the marketing guys here objected to my own suggested title of 'Charlie and the Fudge Packers' but hey, what do those pen-pushers know, right? L.O.L. Okayy, casting wise, we hope to get Jim Carrey for the part of Wonka...it will either be Carrey or David Hasselhoff. Or Jan Michel Vincent. That's all I'm allowed to say. As for Charlie, we are keen to get Haley Joel Osment, but Robin Williams is also a front runner. Yeah, i know. Robin Williams playing the part of a little boy? It's leftfield, but you know, it might just work. And he seems very keen. We REALLY want Britney to play Veruca Salt. Talk about substantial demographic appeal, man!! She could sing a number or two, wear some sexy costumes, boy, I can hear those box office tills bleeping already! We have already designed a range of 100 percent sugar pomotional candy items which will be sold in special mobile booths in every school in the developed world, as well as being integrated into a range of Macdonalds McCandyburgers, which for the first the first time, you will be able to order over the internet. Probably. Anyway dudes, i gotta go. i have a two o'clock maturbation appointment. See you around!
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"Charlie" was definitely a derogatory term for whites, popular in the 60s and 70s, although the term was more commonly "Mr. Charlie" (it was used to refer to the white establishment, like "The Man"). However, I would bet that the title was changed for mostly marketing reasons (yes, they understood the concept of marketing tie-ins even then). Charlie brand candy bars just doesn't have the same sheen as Willy Wonka brand. As for the movie itself, I loved the part in the factory, but most of the early scenes, especially the songs, drove me insane when I was a kid. Charlie looked too healthy, Grandpa George and Grandma Georgina are mute veggies, and the unnecessary ersatz Slugworth subplot was lame. Oh yeah, why couldn't Charlie go hang out in the candy store with the rest of the kids, since the proprietor is just giving away the store while singing "The Candy Man". Then the cheap bastard bugs Charlie for his money when he goes in. And the songs: "Cheer up Charlie" is the only song that will play in my version of Hell! "I've Got A Golden Ticket" means I got a strong urge to puke! I must admit that I actually like the Veruca song, though.
As far as a remake, I was hoping they would give it the "Nightmare Before Christman" and "James and The Giant Peach" treatment. I can never get the LSD-induced performance of Gene Wilder out of my mind. Oh well, here's hoping they get it right. -
..... I was always a fan of "Mr. Charlie Bobo." You've gotta be extra pissed off at the The Man to give him a last name.
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hello!? joel grey should have been cast and should be cast.
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X-Mole: same meaning for Willy in the US, but a fanny is on the other side of the hips... go figure.
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I hate to keep bringing THE MAN up but since this movie came up I couldn't help it. A certain Mr. John C. Reilly was in Entertainment Weekly's IT List, rightfully so, and he said that this movie is his dream. He has always wanted to play Wonka, and I can't say if he is right or not because I am not too knowledgable on the film or the book. But all I know is that John C. Reilly is one of the best actors working today and deserves to be a star. I saw him in True West on Broadway and then got to meet him and he is so fucking amazing and a really nice guy. So if he wants Wonka I think he should get it. Thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Thank you and goodnight.
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All I ask is they deliver a movie that can screw up kids the way the first one did (that was a good thing). It is one of my favorite childhood memories. And anyway if this one sucks we will still have Gene Wilder's version.
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SWTOLOOME!
(Still wiping tears of laughter out of my eyes!)
I'm very susceptible to humor that involves images of Richard Simmons, for some odd reason. I've barely recovered from the last time he was a guest on "Letterman". Your post made my afternoon, man. -
So, has any white person ever been offended by a"derogatory" term for white people>I used to work in a predominately lower class black area, and was called "honkey"a few times, to me it was no different then "asshole".It is hard for this to have any effect when MY ancestors were never discriminated for the color of thier skin.I could understand changing it if it had negative connotations for minorities, but "slang for white"that's ridiculous.It would be like all men getting offended by a show like Home Improvement for perpetuating a negative male stereotype.Seriously,this is one of the most stupid things I've ever heard.
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I'm with the poster above -- I'd much rather see a film adaptation of CHARLIE AND THE GREAT GLASS ELEVATOR than a remake of WILLY WONKA (and I gotta admit, I never disliked the songs much... I was in single digits when the flick came out, and I think the songs were necessary breathers between visits by the utterly freakish and terrifying Oompa Loompas... worse than the flying monkeys, man!). They could do wonders with the Vermicious Knids, but it would never live up to the original glorious drawings from the book...
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WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING REMAKE!GENE WILDER IS WONKA, THERE IS NO REASON TO REMAKE THIS FILM, IF YOU WANT DO THE SEQUEL, I NEVER READ IT SO SHOW IT TO ME.NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! SORRY FOR YELLING!
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They should hire Jennifer Love Heitt to play Violet in this version. And when she chews the forbidden gum this instead of her body blowing up into a giant blueberry only her breasts balloon. Then the Oompa Loompas can haul her off to the juicing room only after they've hoisted and sintched her monster blue bosoms into an enormous bra. Now I'd pay a damn good sum of money to see shit like that up on the movie screen.
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Hey, I'm into it Splangy - I saw the original when I was like, 3, and it scared the chocolate right outta me! Who were the drugged out freaks who brought that to the screen? Great movie for the time but yes, the songs were rancid. So a new CGI'd all ta hell version could be cool, especially if they follow it up with the Glass Elevator - which is one fucked up book, basically Dahl's version of Dante's Divine Comedy. I like J.C. Reilly, he can do it, but will it be a Wonka with emotional problems? Joel Grey was a good idea, but how 'bout his Caberet successor Joel Cummins? Tim Rice is ever the freakazoid.
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What difference does it make?
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Jul 25, 2000 4:57:58 PM CDT
OH MY GOD, my neighbors are fighting and She just ran out of the
by geekbasher 3.0
I just thought you all wanted to know, and as far as the remake is concerned..I won't be holding my breath, it'll just be another tired ass kiddie flick remake, unless the totally make it PYSCHEDELIC and DARK for the baby boomers! OH SHIT! My neighbor's are crazy, she just screamed "GIVE ME BACK MY ANAL BEADS!!"
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If anyone knows where I can get a hold of Veruca Salt, kindly post her email address so I can ask her for a superdelicious-scrumdiddlyumptious blowjob. Also Mike Teevee, you watch way too much TV...
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Jul 25, 2000 5:11:48 PM CDT
AND NOW IF WE'RE LUCKY USER I.D. WILL COMPOSE A NEW SONG FOR OUR
by bari umenema
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Why does Hollywood always think it can top the original??? If I have to see another unnecessary remake, I think I will hurl up an everlasting gobstopper!
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I just think that it would be really cool if Bill Murray played Wonka. Imagine it.
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With his Little Boy Bender Over Machine?
Anyways, I think a remake of Willy Wonka that's closer to book would be pretty awesome. As long as they keep the Oompa Loompas' creepy songs and scrap together a good cast, it'd be a hell of a movie. -
Despite what it says in the article, the title of the book has not been changed in the US. Only the movie is called Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. So don't fret. As for Wonka, I agree that Bill Murray is a good choice. But my #1 choice is still Ian McKellan. Come on Hollywood, strike while the fires are hot. X-Men is a big hit, and only because people love Sir Ian. He is the new Tom Cruise. He is box office dynamite baby. Sign him up and sign him up quick.
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Jul 25, 2000 7:31:47 PM CDT
Zero Cool has just made me laugh with his Little Boy Bender Over
by bari umenema
Yes those were the days my friends when Wacko Jacko was defending himself left and right from sexual deviancy charges...(sigh) Not nearly as much fun since he's apparently gone straight or supressed some of his more baser instincts. Ever see when Norm McDonald did Weekend Update on Saturday Night Live and he'd repeatedly call Michael a Pedophile and a Pederast? Now that was entertaining TV! Called him a Child Molester and got away with it! Seriously, Harrison Ford as Willy Wonka, if he played the part we wouldn't think any less of him than we do right now...Harrison play Willy Wonka and to hell with Indy 4!!!
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Jul 25, 2000 7:52:51 PM CDT
They renamed it? But "Willy Wonka" is code for MASTURBATION!
by mr stonky
Dahl loved talking about masturbation -- hence the rather see-though name of Willy Wonka (in case you didn't know, willy is UK slang for penis). It says something about the US that people would happily replace a name (how can a common boys' name cause offense?) with a reference to self-abuse...
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kevin spacey's your man. bill murray's a close second with michael keaton and robin williams (if gary ross can rein in his "wacky" mannerisms) coming up close behind. nic cage? too young. if you want a really cool-ass version, however, you get CHRISTOPHER WALKEN as willy wonka! damn! and, natch, that osment kid as charlie. (or liam aiken.) and whoever said that "charlie" is being fast-tracked because of "potter" envy - duh! WB is behind both movies!
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He has to play him!
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Throw David Spade a bone and let him be Wonka - he hasn't worked in film since his Big Moosie Farley cacked. Hey, watch "The Natural" and notice when the ball hits the lighting rack at the end - the Randy Newman score kicks in with an instrumental of "I've Got a Golden Ticket." That, my friends, is Satan's lapdance music. Damn I miss Gene Wilder. Oh wait, he's not dead, is he?
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Give me a break. Sequels were hardly rare before Star Wars, as was merchandising. Planet of the Apes had SIX films, a TV series and cartoon out before Star Wars was even made, and just as much merchandising. Watch the excellent documentary that was on AMC to see just how full of shit anyone who says "Star Wars started it all" really is, usually about everything. Sheesh. As for this I see this name correction as a good sign, but I don't really have faith in hollywood doing a movie as good as Willy Wonka anymore. I'll just wait and see.
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though it is completely perverted. I'm pretty sure they'll try to get Robin Williams for Willy Wonka,though getting Gene Wilder to play him again shouldn't be out of the question. One of the things i'm getting really sick of on this site,besides the lack of up to date and sometimes interesting news,is all of these damn fanboys spouting out all these obscure actor's names that no one has ever heard of and how that person,and ONLY that person should play Willy Wonka. The blind loyalty to Fight Club and Christpher Walken is starting to wear down on my nerves as well. For god sakes can't you bastards just make a leap into living a mainstream life instead of working so hard on being an outsider. You have to spend so much time looking for bad movies you secretly hate but praise them just for the sake of being out there. If it isn't unknown you don't want anything to do with it. The few exceptions are movies like Fight Club and the Blair Witch Project that you like because they're so out there and the people in them share your misguided view of the world. It really pisses you off that these movies hit it big instead of them just being something you found out about in a dingy movie theater film festival. And stop sitting around for hours coming up with mottos and thoughts on life just so you have something to talk about and APPEAR intelligent. Well my work is doen here. Ta-Ta
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Gary Ross PLEASE cast Don Knotts as Willy Wonka he was the funniest part of Pleasantville!
OK how about Jeff Daniels as Wonka? Jeff really was the best part of Pleasantville, he was perfect as that soda jerk artist. -
I'm sorry! It's late,man... how about this: instead of writing a version of the "Candyman" song, I just type up the first two minutes of the popular Japanese song and end theme to Tenchi Muyo, "Talent for Love"! No? Okay.. tell ya what, gimmee a day,and I'll put it at whatever article happens to be first. K? Tanks. This has been a Moment w/User ID Indeed! "I'm an a rocket to another zone...."
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There are a few movies out there that are just such classics that they have no chance and will potentially tarnish the original for years to come. I hope they never remake this movie. 20 years later it still holds up as a classic.
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Did I actually read this somewhere, or is it the drugs?
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tony todd should be willy wonka! "candyman...candyman...candyman..."
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Jul 26, 2000 12:45:23 AM CDT
"Who can make the fun shine, Harry Knowles can, who can make the
by bari umenema
User ID will be completing this happy number to the tune of Swingin' Sammy Davis Jr.'s "Oh the Candyman can"!
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Willy Wonka: Will Smith
Jack: a plucky girl
Oompa Loompas: $110 million for CGI
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Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory was screened on British TV on Sunday. So this is very fresh in my mind at the moment.
What a fucked up film!!
That is not something I would like to see on an Acid comedown. The whole boat trip through the head-fuck tunnel. What were the writers thinking? This is supposed to be a family film, so what do they do? They have our Willy chanting some Devil worshipping shit while all manner of fucked up visuals are giving it large in the background. Does anyone remember seeing a chicken getting its head chopped off? Or a close up of a dead man's face with a Centipede crawling across it? That bit shit me up in 'A Nightmare on Elm Street', it was no better with Willy Wonka.
The best casting comment I've heard yet for this is Mr Intensity himself, Christopher Walken. Imagine...
"Do you know who I am little Charlie? I'm the fuckin' Anti-Christ and you got me in a vendetta kinda mood." -
(picture Harry dancing around dressed as Wonka and singing)
WonkAICN:
Come with me,and you'll be,in a world of pure fabrication
Rumors here are made up by peoples,imagination;
We'll begin,with a spin,through this place called AICN;
The things here that you will see,well you can bitch about what you want them to be;
(a little of the ol' softshoe)
If you want to view paradise,simply look around and view it,see news about Jennifer Love Hewitt,and how she's starring in the remake of "Laura" to which everyone will cry "BULLSHIT!";
Only here you will see,and then you can bitch about what you want it,to be -
Most people seem to forget (unless they own the movie and read the credits) that Dahl himself wrote the script for the original movie. So before everyone bashes the score or the casting, Dahl himself was involved and probably had a lot of input into the movie. I'm a big fan of both the book and the movie, and I like both for different reasons. If they wish to do a non-musical version, I just hope that they do CAREFUL casting and not just pick the first people that say "yes" to the project. If you look in the original illustration of the the book, Gene Wilder looks a lot like Wonka. And I thought the title change made sense for the movie as they really didn't explore all the aspects of Charlie's family like the book did, so the movie focused more on Wonka than Charlie. (P.S. In reference to Harry Potter, I am an American and I knew what a Philosopher's Stone was when I was seven. And of all things it was because of Disney. Unfortunately most American's wouldn't know what one was if it fell on them. *Sigh* where has true imagination gone?)
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Jul 26, 2000 9:02:03 AM CDT
John C Fucking Reilly should play Wonka! Shit, he deserves it,
by dirk diggler
In EW he said he'd suck dick for the role. Now THAT'S dedication.
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Jul 26, 2000 9:02:35 AM CDT
John C Fucking Reilly should play Wonka! Shit, he deserves it,
by dirk diggler
In EW he said he'd suck dick for the role. Now THAT'S dedication.
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John C. Fucking Reilly!
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Ha ha!! Another bad, piece of crap whitebread movie remake. Freakin' charlies...
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God himself (aka Leonard Maltin) disliked the first movie because of it's "cruel edge".
At least that was in keeping with the book, because Roald Dahl freely admitted to fucking hating kids!
Why the hell do you think such unpleasant things happened to them in that and just about every book he wrote?
He would test them out on his grand-children (including model Sophie Dahl), and if it left them emotionally scarred for life, sent it to the printers. -
I've been thinking about this for awhile now. I see two ways this can go...either dark and scary , or light hearted and fun.
for the darker I see.....
Kevin Spacey (no one plays psycho like Kevin)
and for the light, fun one I see
John Lithgow (also can flip to the evil side of things if need be)
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Agreed. This movie was disturbing from the get-go. I have watched it about 5-6 times all the way through, every couple of years or so, spanning childhood to the real world, and I don't think I ever laughed out loud once. yes, many times it made me smile and I chuckled at the crap the writer put the kids through, but the movie, overall (and the books as well...both of them) always left me a little bit off. I LIKE THAT! Best movies are those that make you just a bit uncomfortable. ------- And of course Gene Wilder's performance helped loads as he played the character as an eccentric with a dark undertone that came out unexpectedly...like that f'ed up tunnel scene.......WOWOWOWOWOWAAAHHHHHHH! I still feel creepy when watching that. Utterly brilliant.
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Is it just me or did those Ompa's really scare the hell out of you.
I mean really the only time you saw them they were either singing and dancing in a mind numbing way, OR they were carting kids off right and left never to be seen or heard from again ( I keep thinking of those dwarves in Phantasm..Maybe thats just me)
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He can dance, sing, write, get on with kids & be totally weird.
Michael Jackson could bring something to this film!
The dance numbers would be out of this world! -
Tim Curry...And if we only had Tim Burton overseeing art direction...This would be one freakish, fucked-up, film!
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Jul 26, 2000 7:55:09 PM CDT
Attention All Dahl-Bashers! His purpose was to teach kids how N
by bari umenema
Also this just in from Warners Casting: Clint Eastwood has passed on the role of Wonka. Now where on earth is User ID with the rest of the damn theme song for Harry and the Talkback Factory...
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Jul 26, 2000 8:52:41 PM CDT
"Willy Wonka's Bad Trip" was the working title for the first mov
by bitch tits
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Come on, I don't care WHAT it says in Roald Dahl's bio, the reason the original movie was called WILLY WONKA AND...instead of CHARLIE AND...is because the STAR of the movie was GENE WILDER and it was probably in his contract.
By the way --someone mis read the report regarding Michael Jackson playing Willy Wonka. The report read that Michael Jackson was seen playing with his Willy Wonka!!
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