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Snake Plissken Escapes To TV'

El Cosmico here, got some strong reactions to that Survivor thing, well, I've given you the source just as I found it, and you can make up your own minds. Making up your own mind is fun, see?

Okay, moving along, Cinescape is reporting that our pal, Snake Plissken, is due to come to television! Whee! I just love Snake. Such a nice fellow. Here's the word:

Snake Plissken Returns

Snake Plissken, the anti-hero of John Carpenter's Escape From New York and L.A ., is making a return, but this time on TV. According to the Hollywood Reporter, Snake will return in a new syndicated TV series from Tribune Entertainment called Escape From New York, with a planned launch of 2001. John Carpenter, Debra Hill and Kurt Russell are involved in the project and will operate as hands on executive producers, though Russell is not expected to reprise the role of Snake for the TV series. However; there are also plans to bring the eyepatched rouge with bad attitude back the big screen for one more film, tentatively titled Escape From Earth. Word has it that the third film's fate may hinge on the success of the syndicated TV series. While talking to the trade, Hill explained, "We are excited about working with the character (of Snake), and if it is successful (in syndication), perhaps we may do another movie." The producer adds, "It's exciting to reinvent a movie for a whole new generation of people, and that is what excites us. It's exciting to try to figure out a way to keep that story line going for 100 episodes." The TV series will be set in the near future in a world devastated by man-made natural disasters. Snake Plissken is hired (or forced) by the President to become an agent fro the United Nations and wander the world in hopes of saving what's left of humanity. His ultimate goals are to survive and take down his foe, the corrupt Police Commissioner Bob Hauk. The head writer of the series will be Howard Chaykin (Viper, American Flagg comic series)

Can't wait! Snake RULES! But WHO will play him?

-El Cosmico

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  • July 14, 2000, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Holy Schnikies!

    by jimimack

    As a die-hard EFNY fan (Where'e the DVD, by the way, JC?) I've got to hope that they use the gloomy feel of the first movie and not the campy BS of the second. This can and will be a fun series, if they cast Snake properly.

  • July 14, 2000, 2:56 p.m. CST

    It's obvious who should play Snake...

    by SteppinRazor

    Bruce Cambell. Duh.

  • July 14, 2000, 3 p.m. CST

    dear god,don't let it be lorenzo lame-ass

    by geeksmacker

    i'm hoping for someone cool as snake,but i've got the sinking feeling the ball is gonna be dropped on this one.i guess there's always the guy that played nick fury. *sigh*

  • July 14, 2000, 3:34 p.m. CST

    What a horrible idea!

    by iamdeadfish

    EFNY was a great movie... EFLA... not so great... The TV version would just totally suck! Especially when they get a different actor to play snake! Yuck! If they are going to make a sequel to anything, it HAS to be Big Trouble in Little China!!! - "Next time some eight-foot-tall, wild-eyed maniac taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall and asks you if you've paid your dues, well, you just do what ole Jack Burton always does at a time like that. You stare that sucker right back in the eye. 'Have you paid your dues, Jack?' 'Yes, sir, the check is in the mail.'"

  • July 14, 2000, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Someone Green-Lighted This Pile of Crap?

    by Zubalove

    How about that premise? "Snake Plissken is hired (or forced) by the President to become an agent fro the United Nations and wander the world in hopes of saving what's left of humanity." Oh. Good. One guy roaming around to save humanity. Yippee. What an excellent use of resources. Betcha he takes his orders from a commander hanging out in a control room full of people. "His ultimate goals are to survive and take down his foe, the corrupt Police Commissioner Bob Hauk." A police commisioner? Not some millionaire or tyrant or Millitary Leader, but a Police Commisioner? What crap. Why not... just fire the police comisioner? Then his foe would be the former-police commisioner! Great job brainstorming on that villian. Furthermore, I like the bit about man-made natural disasters. Very clever. Dontcha think if a disaster is man-made, it isn't really natural? What a toe-head. They say its exciting to figure out how to make this concept go for 100 episodes. I think it would be freaking amazing if this concept goes for 8 episodes. ZUBALOVE OUT!

  • July 14, 2000, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Just forget about the series and make Escape From Earth

    by dave lister

    And make it a new Snake adventure, not a remake of Escape From NY like LA was (I still enjoyed that flick though). Russell is Plissken, make the movie, dump the series.

  • July 14, 2000, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Bruce Campbell.Bruce Campbell.

    by aisaam

    I am so fucking sick of hearing you Bruce Campbell dick sucking faggots, go on and on about how great he is. Brisco County sucked, and Army of Darkness blew chunks. I saw that shit in the dollar theater and felt ripped off. He's 100 fucking years old, and hasn't done anything worth mentioning. He's a fucking has been, and you losers have your head too far up your ass to realize it. You assholes probably go to conventions like crazed Trekkies and dress up like Ash. He probably laughs at how lame you losers are, and I do to. GET A FUCKING LIFE...

  • July 14, 2000, 7:15 p.m. CST

    "Man made natural disasters?" Isn't that contradictory?

    by Uncapie

    Just like this tv series. I mean who the fugh thought this up? 1997 has already passed anyway. Plus, how many presidents will send Snake on a mission and will it be every four years? Fact: Bob Hauk was never corrupt. What the hell... while we're at it, why don't we just rewrite the film's history just like "Highlander"? Middle management suckasses.

  • July 14, 2000, 7:23 p.m. CST

    OT - Bruce Campbell

    by iamdeadfish

    OK, I'm not one of the people who get on TB and try and say that he should do every roll from Spiderman to Laura Croft... but I just want to defend him as being a great actor. I love ED, ED2 and AOD, but some of my other favorit movies with him in it are The Hudsucker Proxy (ONE OF MY ALL TIME FAVs!!), Mindwarp, Waxwork II (The movie sucked, but he was good), a great cameo in Dusk till' Dawn II, and don't forget about that episode of X-Files!

  • July 14, 2000, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Escape from LA , it is underrated


    I am glad to hear that there is a new Snake project/s in the works. I should start off by stating that I am a big fan of Escape from New York. I am also a fan of Escape from LA, an underrated movie which has been the victim of misplaced criticism. I felt that the film was a special gift for EFNY fans, a clever new re-interpretation of almost all of the events and characters of the first film. An example of this would be A. Snake gets shot in the leg with an arrow in EFNY and then B. Snake gets shot in the leg again, this time with a bullet in EFLA. Well, what the heck is wrong with this kind of mimicry? I thought it was a fitting tribute, a clever spin on an old concept. And you can always try and develope a wholly original (a dubious concept, originallity is) concept for Snake Plisken III. I will admit though, that in order to fully appreciate Escape From LA, you MUST first view Escapr From New York, in order to notice the striking parallels.

  • July 14, 2000, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Snakes alive


    ....And another thing, I believe that if they do produce this new Snake Plisken TV series, it will be a necessity considering the unfortunately poor box office of Escape from LA. A sucessful tv series could finacially justify a new movie. However, if they do go ahead with the TV series, I would recommend calling it Escape of Snake Plisken or something, as Escape From New York: The TV series is too limiting a title. And, as to who would play Snake in the series, I'd recommend a young unknown, maybe someone who has played Kurt Russell as a youngster in the past (like that kid in Soldier). You have to go with someone almost identical to Russell because he was just so damn perfect in the role.

  • July 14, 2000, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Yay! escape! Escape, muthafuka!

    by Einhander

    I love the Escape movie, they're high quality trash that lets us remember that hey, it's only a movie. If they can do for tv what they've done for junk tv, more power to them. However, I would suggest to try and stay away from the total self parody of, say, that god awful Jack of All Trades. Or the seriousness of Stargate Sg:1 for that matter. It's a fine line, walk it well. And remember- national monuments being demolished are always winners. Who wouldn't want Snake Plissken waisting someone on a decrepit Effiel Tower? Or cleaning out baddies on Washington's nose at Mt. Rushmore? C'mon, work with me people. As for casting, get an unknowjn- hey, it worked for Hugh Jackman P.S. Bruce Cambell has lost any and all clout with jack of All trades. He made Evil Dead 1-3. Then he did Mchale's Navy. Let him die quietly, please. Thank you.

  • July 14, 2000, 11:48 p.m. CST

    I LOVE Escape From New York, but Escape from L.A. was so bad tha

    by gary2012

    This series is a very stupid idea.

  • July 15, 2000, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Don't do it...just don't...

    by JackBurton

    Kurt Russell *is* Snake Plissken, no one can ever top that iconclastic performance so anyone that they cast is just going to be an imitator, full stop. The great thing about the original Escape is that Bob Hauk was a hardass, a man just like Snake but on the other side of the fence, and he was played perfectly by the late, great Lee Van Cleef. What he wasn't is corrupt. ******************************************************************** I love the original Escape movie, it (along with They Live!, Assault On Precinct Thirteen and Big Trouble In Little China) is one of the all time great 'b' movies and is just hugely enjoyable to watch over and over again. And unlike many fans I even dug Escape From L.A., which while having it's faults was still in my eyes a damn enjoyable film with a classic and very Carpenter ending (some dodgy cgi effects though). If this exact same sequel had been made back in the early 80's then I bet a lot of those that decry it now would be saying how great it was. And the poster above (or below or to the side, never can tell on these talkbacks) that pointed out all of the clever parallels between the N.Y. and L.A. films is dead on, they're there, you just need to know where to look, and I think that it was a neat touch. And while I don't think that L.A. is a classic by any means it is still a damn fine sequel in my books, and thats an opinion that I'm not afraid to share, whether you agree or disagree with me is up to you. ******************************************************************** That said I'd love to see a third Snake adventure (which would have to do something new and wouldn't work as a recycling of the first two, but would also have to walk the thin line making sure that it captures the true Snake essence), but I just don't hold out much hope for a TV show. Hell, I guess I'll give it a shot but my expectations aren't very high, still at least Carpenter, Russell and Hill are involved so you never know I guess, and if it leads to a third film being made then at least it has a purpose than I can live with. Personally I don't see why they don't have Snake (played by Russell) team up with another guy in the pilot, who would then become the lead, at least that way it wouldn't be another guy playing Snake, it'd just be another guy in the same self contained universe, but if they are gonna recast Snake damn they had better get it perfect or this will sink faster than something really heavy in a shallow body of water. ******************************************************************** As for the Escape From New York DVD, a special edition cut of it with commentary by Carpenter and Russell was in the works for later this year (I think like The Thing special edition it was basically just going to be a Laserdisc transfer with a few extras) but that has apparently been delayed, and there's still no news on a release date. Ah well at least us Escape fans wil be able to buy ourselves an ubercool Snake Plissken action figure in August when he debuts in McFarlane's Movie Maniacs Series Three collection (along with Shaft, The Fly, The Norris Thing, The Blair Thing, Edward Scissorhands, Evil Dead's Ash and King Kong.

  • July 15, 2000, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Good News ! ? ! ? ! ?

    by RobinP

    I'm indecided.......I hope they don't water it down for tv.....most films, when they're raped for tv, tend to be pale imitations. The exception being Buffy, where a lackluster one joke idea film became one of the best series to grace our screens.

  • July 15, 2000, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Oh........and another thing.........

    by RobinP

    "Escape from Earth" if made, should only be made with Kurt Russell in the title role, and John Carpenter behind the camera. Anything less would be sacrilige. I didn't think Escape from LA was THAT gets better with repeated screeings.

  • July 15, 2000, 6:04 a.m. CST

    EFNY series

    by mrplissken

    It will not be easy to cast the role of Snake- Russell is such a classic icon in the role and will be VERY hard to top. Mohammad at the Carpenticized side of the web site does have a petition to have Roy Dupris (from the La Femme Nikita series) play the character and he's as good a choice as any. I'm one of the biggest ESCAPE/Snake fans around, so i'm pretty excited and alos a little worried as well: Bob Hauk as the villian? Hauk was a good man in tough conditions, just like Snake and to have him turn bad will either be a mistake or at best, a really dramatic turn of events. Yeah, Hauk was underhanded, but he had to be to get the job done. Snake would most definitely taken off north in the Gulffire if he hadn't been inplanted with the explosives. As far as EFLA goes, well, I still think it's a weak sequel, but it has grown on me with repeated viewings. I can't say it's a total loss, because it is entertaining. Overall, though, it fails to make the most of the setpieces and characters- had they put more effort into the action and fleshed out the characters a bit more, it would have rocked (the basketball sequence in the original script was MUCH better than the filmed version. The one they shot falls flat and has no tension, at least for me). As it stands, it's great to see Russell in the role and it does have a very cool ending, which has alwasy been Carpenter's strong suite. The one great thing about all this news is the possiblity of ESCAPE FROM EARTH with Kurt and John. I hope like hell we get to see it. Check the Carpenter website that I co-author for reviews, articles and fanfic (2 Snake stories I wrote, one about the Kansas City heist!):

  • July 15, 2000, 6:15 a.m. CST

    Not Bruce Campbell

    by Cinemama

    I love him as much as the next geek (I don't know what all the bithing about Jack of All Trades is about -- it's good goofy fun) but he's too old. You know they will end up casting some young pretty boy who costs nothing.

  • July 15, 2000, 11:15 a.m. CST


    by Wolvie6

    I am SICK SICK SICK of all you f*cking idiots who can't take Campbell's cock out of your ass!!! HE IS A PIECE OF SH*T!! If he ruins one of my all time favorite characters I will shoot him myself! Escape from New York is one of the best flicks ever and a TV show which changes everything will suck. Escape from L.A. is not underrated. IT SUCKED! Plain and simple. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot! Probably the same idiots who want Bruce Campbell. Get off the f*cking Campbell bandwagon and let it plummel off a cliff for f*cks sake!!!!

  • July 15, 2000, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Campbell, Snake, etc.


    It's kind of hard to shake the image of Bruce Campbell as the "surgeon general of Beverly Hills" in Escape from LA; this would preclude me from wanting him as Snake in a new project. Usually, it is kind of cheesy when an actor takes a different part in a universe that he's already acted in, but I admit it has worked in other Sci-fi series like Star Trek. As far as the further and more detailed exploration of Snake's character in future incarnations(tv, new movie), it is a risky proposition. I would like to see ideas such as Snake being a clone (which would explain all the "thought you were dead" jokes in EFNY), and Snake having probability-manipulation powers such as Longshot of Marvel comic book fame (which would account for his incredible lucky-unlucky streaks in situations like the basketball game in EFLA) be explored and either put to rest or adopted. The danger is, you may wind up alienating those who prefer, and as a result identify with, Snake being a normal human. Just look at the uproar the revelation of Dekkard from Blade Runner as a replicant by Ridley Scott has caused. Whatever happens, here's hoping it all works itself out for the best.

  • July 15, 2000, 1 p.m. CST

    You Wanna Talk 'bout OLD????

    by Tornado_Jackson

    Granted Bruice most likely isn't the right man for this job and even he was offered it he couldn't do it. He wouldn't want to have to juggle 2 TV shows at once. As for him being too old, thats a bunch a crap. Keep in mind Snake was derived as just a Clint Eastwood wannabe-and look how old Eastwood is and he still manages to kick ass in some movies ex. Unforgiven etc. etc. My suggestion for Snake is Lance " Millenium" Henriksen. Sure he's covered in wrinkles and has the voice of lung cancer victim, but that would just add to the characters scruffy charm. Or get D.B. Sweeny, we already know he can play a badass superbly from his character on the short lived "Harsh Realm". Whoever they pick it better not be some Saved by the Bell graduate prick and it also better not be some actor torn from the USA dumpster bin like Lorenzo Lamas.

  • July 15, 2000, 4:52 p.m. CST


    by pippyboy

    Okay, so AOD may not have been the best film ever, but Bruce Campbell is without argument a genuis. ED & ED2 are without doubt the greatest cinematic masterpieces ever created. No, I do not have his "dick in my ass" and no I do not worship Bruce Campbell. Well, maybe just a little. Anyway, you're right he shouldn't be Snake, only Kurt can be Snake and anyway Bruce is just too f**kin cool!

  • July 15, 2000, 5:39 p.m. CST

    I *get it* all right...

    by Wolvie6

    I get that there are morons on this site that consider a B movie actor a "genius" and Evil dead 1&2 good films. You people never stop amazing me. The man made second rate films and you want him cast in everything. I love horror and campy horror but Evil Dead looks like it was shot on a bad camcorder in the woods with a loud noise thruout the movie. It was annoying. Evil Dead was a remake of the first one with slightly better production. Army of Darkness just plain sucked! Not even funny.What else is Campbell claim to fame? Waxwork 2??!!?? Ooooo impressive! (note the sarcasm) The guy is overrated and would ruin the Snake character. Give it up jerkies and give it a f*cking rest!!!!!

  • July 16, 2000, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Escape from L.A. - cool as heck

    by Veidt

    Escape from L.A. was a cool sequel, even if it's far from perfect. Carpenter could've used more shooting time, money and most of all - post-production time. He's said that the very first edit of the film he finished was the cut they had to go with theatrically. I think the movie could've been tightened up just a bit had Carpenter had the time to tweak it. Still, I think it's a damn fun "B" flick with a much broader sense of humor than the first movie, which seems to irk some people. I love that Carpenter uses this second film to turn Plissken into the ultimate over-the-top action guy. In the first film, Snake was a bad-ass in repuation only for the most part. He did a whole lot of walking around and not much else. In Escape from L.A. we get to see Plissken really pull out all the stops. Nothing's too outrageous for him to accomplish in EFLA. And the finale where he shuts down the entire world out of spite is a classic. I think an EFNY TV show could be a lot of fun but mostly I'd welcome it just for the hope that it would lead to Carpenter and Russell getting Escape from Earth before the cameras. It'd definitely be really cool to have an official "Escape" trilogy.

  • July 16, 2000, 1:18 a.m. CST

    That's funny..because...

    by Loser

    Because...they said the exact same thing about Escape from LA. Basically, that they would make Escape from Earth depending on the success of Escape from LA. What's next? "We will make Escape from Earth depending on the success of the new ad campaign for Erectile Disfunction featuring an emasculated Snake Plissken calmly sitting in a sternly lit victorian antechamber, admitting his indifference to the fairer sex is because of his inability to raise the lance." Have a little human compassion.

  • July 16, 2000, 3:19 a.m. CST


    by Modern1

    Omg, what is the problem with the entertainment industry nowadays. Has man's creative potential been maxed out? I mean whats the deal with rehashing every idea thats ever been reasonably successful. Television is litered with TV versions of once hot film properties. And those shows are almost always pale comparisons to their inspiration. Now I can understand why producers like this concept because it leads to cheaper production since noone actually has to create a new concept, but why the hell do people watch it? I'd be willing to bet that if you really analyzed it about 1-5 big name production movies are actually new original concepts. The rest are either rehashed old movies with new names or outright "new versions". And then to suck more life out of a good idea comes the tv series. BLAH.

  • July 16, 2000, 3:29 a.m. CST

    So who should play Snake?

    by JackBurton

    As I said below I'm still far from convinced that a tv Escape is a good idea, and even less convinced that *anyone* other than Kurt Russell can bring Snake alive on the screen, but if Russell aint gonna be in then who should it be? I honestly cant think of anybody that I *know* would be able to nail down that Plissken attitude perfectly, the only actors that I can think of that might have a shot are Michael Biehn (Reese in The Terminator, Hicks in Aliens, Johnny Ringo in Tombstone, the Seal Team leader in The Rock, Navy Seals and The Abyss) who I think could carry the attitude and looks the part, as well as being a damn fine actor, or how about Mickey Rourke (Angel Heart, Johnny Handsome, Fall Time, The Last Outlaw, White Sands)...before you go nuts just think about it, he can act (and act damn well) when he has the right material, his current career is pretty much washed up and he looks the part. Hey, it's just a thought. Agree/disagree? Now it's your turn, who should play Snake on tv?

  • July 16, 2000, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Wolvie6 Says He'll Shoot Himself

    by Mintgiver

    If no one is around when Wolvie6 shoots himself, will he still hear us clapping?

  • July 16, 2000, 11:31 a.m. CST moron..

    by Wolvie6

    Read my post again. You CAN read can't you? It clearly states I would shoot Bruce Campbell. Maybe I should put you out of your misery too huh?

  • July 16, 2000, 7:05 p.m. CST


    by SBCFanatic

    Since Good Old Snake Plisskin is some what similar to a certain charector in a certain recently released movie with Patrick Stewart who's a Canadian super hero who's nickname is a Wild Critter named Wolverine and I was on the preaching for Kurt "Snake Plisskin" Russel to be Logan why not give Hugh Jackman a ring and make him the new Snake? BTW I like the NEW HHG.

  • July 17, 2000, 8:40 a.m. CST

    OK, let me just wrap this shit up...

    by Andymation

    Sometimes enough is enough. Killin' rap music would be like sawin' off one foot of a culture stool. Ya know what? It will fall. Oh, wait, I'm off topic...OK, I'm gonna' say this every time some jerkoff tries to milk the very last drop out of something. Why not try to come up with something new instead? Why does every film that makes it at the box office have to have 3-5 sequels, a TV-show and a toned-down and crappy animated TV-series for the little kiddies? Give Snake Plissken is deserved rest and try to be a bit creative for once!!!!!!!!!!

  • July 17, 2000, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Oh and what's more.....

    by Andymation

    "Big Trouble In Little China" sucked on the level of "Pok

  • July 17, 2000, 7:03 p.m. CST

    aren't you forgetting?...

    by HarryPalm

    All this talk about Escape From New York and no one has mentioned the best part of the movie: Adrienne Barbeau's,i mean performance. Egad!!! As for all the Bruce Campbell haters: Get a life!! You people are so over the top it's laughable. Besides Jack Of All Trades is getting good ratings and will be back next year and probably for several years to come. So chill!!

  • July 18, 2000, 12:47 a.m. CST

    The Untimely Demise of "The Snake"

    by gunbunny_one

    Okay, I took a poke around some of the letters in here & for the most part nobody has given this any real thought. (Hold your gails of derision until I'm finished... thank you...) I've been an actor/background player in the British COlumbia film industry for the last ten years having worked on a number of film & tv sets. So lean in close when I say this... UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD ANYONE EVEN VAGUELY RELATED TO THE TV SHOW VIPER BE ALLOWED TO WRITE ONE SINGLE SENTENCE RELATING THE IMMORTAL "SNAKE PLISSKEN". I worked on Viper & it sucked beyond imagining. It was eighteen hours of redundant back stabbing bullshit I could have done with out. That aside, "Escape" has always held a warm spot in place of guilty pleasures when it comes to movies & especially Carpenter who has turned out to be Hollywood's whipping boy of late. (Vampyres hit the screens in a massive studio edit that made it look like complete shit, despite James Woods over the top performance...) There is obviously a loyal fan base to be had for this film & the potential for further films however several things need to be taken into account. (a) Kurt is getting older (b) The studios will grind it into the ground if we let them (c) Hollywood at large thinks the franchise to be dead (d)Series tv will only belittle what little integrity the movie has left. So where does that leave the fans? Purchasing the rights to a film is a hail storm of problems in it's own right. No way will a studio dump a franchise, only to have someone else run with it & make money. (Paramount dumped Friday 13th to New Line, who killed it with a low budget no brainer ending... mind you they all were... But the bottom linewas & forever shall be "The series made money". Now "Escape" could be a run away success, but the problem lies in how? You could bring in the big guns, but they cost serious money, money you'd be scraping & bleeding for in the first place. Who would distribute it, foot the bills, write it, direct it, star in it, market it, sell it to over seas buyers & stay within the boundries of what fans duely expect from their hero? Tough questions, but questions that have to answered if such a project is to get off the ground. Realistically, tv has no right to claim the "Snake". Who remembers what tv did to "Blue Thunder", "The Crow", & all the other stand alone movies that tv turned into crap. On one hand I agree with those that say "Let it die". But as a fan I sometimes feel that "in the right hands" this series could really fly. Maybe Kurt could slap on the "cammies" & patch for one more blow out fare well to the fans in a spectacular over the top "standing ovation as the closing credits role" movie. Then we as fans could say, "Well done all... That's a wrap." I'm open to your comments, one & all. Feel free to contact me at your discretion. Thanks. Gunbunny

  • July 18, 2000, 2:29 p.m. CST


    by BigDaddy78745

    This one time at band camp I ______

  • July 18, 2000, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Snake in.....

    by Obi Wan's Clone

    Escape From Witch Mountain! Sorry couldn't resist...