Walken Is In EPISODE II
Hey, all. "Moriarty" here. I'm not going to make this long or complicated or fancy. I am on my way out the door to a screening of X-MEN, so all I have time to do is say, yes, it's true... Christopher Walken has been confirmed for STAR WARS, and the announcement should be up on the official site within days. The coolest part is that he's got a character name now... and he is Darth Bane. Seen it with my own two eyes. Pretty f'ing cool. Talk to you soon.
Hey, everyone... just walked in from my second showing of X-MEN tonight, and I'm starting to sort through the TalkBacks below. First question... when did I supposedly say this casting news somehow involved a flashback? People are complaining about things below (this means you, Lazarus) that no one ever mentioned. Let me repeat, since that long complicated paragraph above seems to have baffled some of you. Chris Walken. Darth Bane. Saw the page on the official site with the soon to be released cast list. That's it. That's all I said. No flashback... no idea who the character is. I don't read the novels, so if this means something to some of you, that's cool. Just don't start jumping to conclusions about how Bane will be used yet. Let's wait until we actually start hearing a few story details before we start railing against them. Sheesh.
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July 13, 2000, 7:57 p.m. CST
Lee. Smits. Walken. Various Austrailian extras. The recipe is there FOR MAGIC! (And it's going to take magic to erase the disaster of Phantom Menace from my consciousness.)
July 13, 2000, 8:25 p.m. CST
this is all just a plan to boost my hopes way up so they can be smashed to bits when i actually see the movie. if walken's not in it, it's your ass, moriarty!
July 13, 2000, 9:21 p.m. CST
He'll make a fantastic Sith.
July 13, 2000, 9:25 p.m. CST
Christopher Walken had a head. Without a head, he is Ray Park. Ray Park had a body (*head included*). Christopher Walken comes later. Christopher Walken Turning into Ray Park was in a visually stunning but boring story...Ray Park was in a visually stunning yet fairly boring story...but he dies...WILL THE CYCLE OF ABUSE AND MEDIOCRITY END as Christopher Walken now appears to keep his head, not die, not change into Ray Park, be in a GREAT story and VINDICATE?????
July 13, 2000, 9:25 p.m. CST
I was suspecting a young Gran Moff Tarkin, but a SITH? Holy Shit I can't wait! First Timer, by the way....
July 13, 2000, 9:26 p.m. CST
by Stimpson J Cat
WHYWHY U ASK!!!!!!! FUCKIN JARJAR,I TELL YEAH!!!!!THATS RIGHT!!!!!U FUCKIN FUCKERS!EEEEEAAAHHHHHHH.....WOOOOOOPPP
July 13, 2000, 9:28 p.m. CST
Wow........our dreams our coming true. We have a good prequel in the works finaly. Less focus on the effects and more on the characters. Walken, Smitts, maybe Gabriel.....this is starting to look the way Episode 1 was suppossed to look like.
July 13, 2000, 9:30 p.m. CST
Holy shit. This is fucking awesome news. I can't wait for him to be in this movie as a fuckin Sith Lord. Can you picture it: "I wore this uncomfortable lightsaber up my ass for six years. And now, little man, I give it to you."
July 13, 2000, 9:31 p.m. CST
by Stimpson J Cat
July 13, 2000, 9:33 p.m. CST
Personally, I can't really get excited about big name actors going to be in Episode 2. I'm just hoping that the story and originality of characters is what will really make it good. And lets face it, this movie is the second prequel, which means its kind of going up against 'Empire Strikes Back'. I doubt there will be anything in Episode 2 as cool as Darth Vader telling Luke that he is his father, or the introduction of Boba Fett. Even Cloud City and Hoth were really, really original and interesting. The Phantom Menace seemed to lack the imagination Lucas had in the trilogy. Anyway, I also don't want to come to aintitcoolnews.com each day until Episode 2 comes out, to see that someones posted another little part of the story. When I go into Episode 2, I want to know as little of what happens as possible. That's what happened when I hired Fight Club. I didn't know what it was about, and it blew me away. (P.S. I lost an arm in the explosion.)
July 13, 2000, 9:46 p.m. CST
not until I see it anyway. Also is it just me or is Ep2 turning into an 'ALL STAR' cast?
July 13, 2000, 9:49 p.m. CST
Well what the hey! This blows major holes in the "Always two there are, no more, no less," line, unless Star Wars is about to get its first flashback scene. Think I'll wait for that official word bit. Sorry Moriarty, but this is a little big to...hey, I don't gotta apologize to you, you're seeing X-Men before me you twisted villain!
July 13, 2000, 10:10 p.m. CST
Was it just a lucky guess on this guys part? Or is all a scam? As long as they don't have a Darth Uppity I'll be okay...
July 13, 2000, 10:26 p.m. CST
by Tin Snoman
I'll wait for this one to be confirmed, thank you very much. Wasn't Darth Bane mentioned in the Ep. 1 novel? He was like a Sith Yoda or something, yeah... this is about the only role I can see him playing in Ep.2. I still kinda hope it's not true though. Unknowns are better. Holy crap! Mel Gibson has a bit part as Senator Jarin Solo! And he's got a son named Han! Julia Roberts is a waitress! Patrick Stewart- wait, that would be cool... uh Tom Cruise is Boba Fett!!!! Speaking of which, am I the only one who thinks Kitster is Boba Fett? 'Cuz I think I'm right...
July 13, 2000, 10:31 p.m. CST
by Alien Gonzales
Walken in hissy sith mode should be totally cool. Let's hope GL makes good use of all this talent he's bringing to ep.2.
July 13, 2000, 10:42 p.m. CST
The Two Sith Rule is still intact. It's alive and well. Many of you people are missing some very key things from Lucas's notes. Lucas allowed the author of the TPM novelization to put in a passage that fully describes where the Sith came from. Darth Bane was the first Sith. He came before the Council, basically said, "Hey, let's use our powers for bad! Good idea, huh?" The Council then said "Take a hike." So Darth Bane created a full army of hundreds or Siths. That's right lots of 'em. And they all they all trained, and became very skilled. But all the Sith wanted to be number one. Eventually a huge civil war broke out and they all killed each other left until only one was left standing. The last Sith remaining (can't remember if it was Bane...) vowed that the Sith order would continue but with a new guidline: From now on their would only be two Siths. The Master and the Apprentice so the apprentice will always be too afraid to try and overpower the Master who is much stronger. Even if there were only two apprentices, there would be a danger of the two weaker apprentices ganging up on the Master and killing him. Anyways, Lucas gave this for the book as extra incentive to buy it since there was no room in TPM. But @#$#$%^!!!! Is it ever cool that we'll actually be seeing flasbacks to the old days when the Sith began. If you ask me, it looks like Lucas will be expanding on the mythology and action every bit as much as the love story. Also, New Zealand actor Temuera Morrison ("Once Were Warriors") is in Ep. II. Theforce.net reports that a young boy will be playing *a younger version* of his character. Apprently Lucas will be focusing on a lot of the history and backstory this time which sounds great! Anyways, I loved TPM, almost as much as Empire, but I'm definitely looking more forward to the rest of the story. I thought Lee would be Bane for sure. Anyways, I was disappointed back last summer that the Sith backstory with Bane wasn't in but now Lucas is giving it to us : ) And he gave us more Boba so IMHO, he seems to be giving quite a bit. Also, according to Lucas's notes from RoTJ, the ONLY way ANYONE in the SW universe can live on after dieing is by doing the disappearing trick. In the same notes, it says that Yoda brings Anakin over as a reward for killing the Emperor. If Yoda hadn't rewarded Anakin for turning back, he would've dies a normal mortal death like any other regular person/alien. SO, this is why the Emperor's death is final. Lucas's diappearing trick rule is the perfect circle. Only two good guys (Yoda, Obi Wan) know the disappearing trick. If the Emperor doesn't know it, when he dies, he's DEAD and he can't return in spirit to train someone else and start the whole mess all over. This rule of Lucas is great, because it keeps really bad guys (Bane, Palpatine) DEAD and UNCONSCIOUS like any other mortals so that they can't come back, train more people and start new empires all over. So, if Lucas sticks with his notes from RoTJ for the next two movies, then that means unless you know the disappearing trick, you're dead, baby and you aint comin' back. It makes sense. I believe either some of his notes or some notes he gave for the Behind the Maguc CD say Yoda is the one that learned how to disappear into the Force (of course) and taught Ben the trick too so they could use it later to train new hopes. Lucas picked a lot of stuff from his old notes from TPM such as "Mace Windu," a water planet (Naboo), an underwater race (Gun Guns). Interesting. Well, hope that info helps. Yep, I LOVED TPM. Great foresadowing overall. But if this place turns into another whiny TPM-bashing nuthouse, I'm outta here. Oh yeah, and cool news about the widescreen Babylon 5 episodes on the Sci Fi Channel, huh? Later SW fans.
July 13, 2000, 11:06 p.m. CST
I'm totally sick and tired of George Lucas turning the Star Wars prequels into a star-spotting fest. It was cool in the original movies, where there would be one or two recognizable actors (Guinness, Cushing for instance). What was cool was that the rest of the cast didn't bring the "baggage" of a star persona to the role, which made it a more magical and realistic experience. Now we've got every damn actor in the world in Episode 2. Call me picky, but it kind of ruins the spell for me. Christ. Walken is fun when he's acting like a goon, but his latest roles have descended into self-parody. Am I the only one that thinks his portrayal of the horseman in Sleepy Hollow is akin to a five-year old's imitation of the boogie man? RAAAAAR!! Those roars of rage were awful! Walken will never be believable as anyone but...Walken. And the name Darth Bane sucks. I mean, come on! How about Darth Killius? Darth Murdar? Darth Destruktorr? Give me a friggin break, George. Now excuse me while I go urinate blood.
July 13, 2000, 11:09 p.m. CST
Screw a lightsaber duel between Walken and Anakin, how about a little game or RR, like in Deer Hunter?
July 13, 2000, 11:15 p.m. CST
by Mr Skitzo
Hey Harry, I'm still in hospital, but Kristofer Waken came in and told me he's in Staw Rars Number 2. I'm exsited now. I'll meet you at your hotel later okay? Bye now.
July 13, 2000, 11:28 p.m. CST
"STAR WARS Episode II: S.A.G Payday"...Starring Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Ian McDiarmid, Cristopher Lee, Jimmy Smits, Gabriel Byrne, Christopher Walken, the reconstructed pelvis of Liam Neeson, some kid nobody has ever heard of before as Annakin, Bob Denver as Senator Gilligan, the ghost of Alan Hale Jr. as Supreme Chancellor "Skipperrrrrrr", Ryan Phillipe as "Alderranian who gets crushed No. 5", a Tribble from 1967 as a hairball that gets coughed up by a novelty CGI creature that is supposed to make us all go "OOOOHHHHHH, AAAAAHHHHH!!!", Helen Reddy as Force Witch No. 3, lots of Kiwi ex bikie gang members with "really interesting faces" and totally unpronounceable names, Bea Arthur as "indeterminate of gender Corellian freighter captain", lots of Aussies fresh from holding up cardboard walls on "Blue Heelers" who STILL HAVEN'T found that damned missing wombat and who will occassionally change the dialogue and slip in phrases like "she'll be right mate...er...I mean Darth Bane" and "No worries Cobba!", all the surviving Munchkins from "The Wizard of Oz", with a special appearance by William Shatner's toupee(working at scale!), the right calf of Ronnie Coleman, the voice of Anthony Daniels and STARRING AS BOBA FETT...oh hell...I'm too tired and quite frankly I don't know what all you fanboys see in the wannabe cylon who only ever got a combined total of roughly ninety seconds of screen time and about four lines(besides that, he was rude to my sister once!)so I will keep that much anticipated piece of information! The TalkDroid has communicated.
July 13, 2000, 11:32 p.m. CST
Ive been in on this planet walking around with this uncomfortable lightsaber stuck up my ass and now little man its yours.
July 13, 2000, 11:38 p.m. CST
Now get Uma, Bruce Willis and Ving Rhames and it can be a Pulp Fiction sequel. This cannot suck, unless Jar Jar becomes a pimp for the handmaidens. Heck,, even that would be pretty cool.
July 13, 2000, 11:52 p.m. CST
JAR JAR sinks these movies to pre-school levels, i aint going to get to excited about a STAR WARS movie anymore.
July 13, 2000, 11:55 p.m. CST
Yep guys these are the days. We have a new Star Wars trilogy, we have a MATRIX trilogy and we have The Lord of the Rings Trilogy. We are so blessed! Why waste time complaining or comparing...This is A Fan Boys DREAM! Let's not take it for granted...
July 14, 2000, 12:09 a.m. CST
I don't know if it's just me, but this sounds like a bogus name. "Darth Bane." Then again, I gues Darth Maul sounds kinda bogus too. Oh, well.
July 14, 2000, 1:03 a.m. CST
by Lazarus Long
Alright...I have to say first off that I don't buy this rumor for a second. I don't know what model airplanes Moriarty has been building lately, but he needs to open the garage door a crack and let out some of those glue fumes. Why would Lucas, after 4 episodes, suddenly decide to start using flashbacks? Am I the only one who finds this a little odd? Aren't the prequels just long flashbacks themselves? If Lucas felt the origin of the sith was that important to the story, why didn't he put it in Episode one and have that film set further back in time? I think any flashback would take away from the story we really care about: what's currently happening. The cool thing about Star Wars was always hearing stuff like "sith", "Kessel Run", or whatever, and not totally knowing what it meant, but enough to speculate and imagine. Is Lucas now going to go through Anakin's skin Three Kings-style and show a microscopic camera view of Midichlorians at work? Give me a break. I can forgive Lucas a few cheesy characters and lines, but to completely alter the way we've been viewing Star Wars is a little too much. Even that Luke in the Evil Tree fantasy sequence in Empire felt out of place, but was at least foreboding and foreshadowing. What could be accomplished by showing how the Sith came to be? Who cares? Save it for satellite film spin offs after Episode III is completed. Or a comic book mini series. I would be very surprised to see Lucas, a fairly conventional filmmaker, go this route.
July 14, 2000, 1:17 a.m. CST
that this project is now 100% suck-proof !
July 14, 2000, 1:35 a.m. CST
I really really hope Darth Bane is a temporary working name. It just doesn't sound like "STAR WARS" ...I can't help but think of "Batman" when I hear the name Bane. Mr.Walken should be a great addition to the cast as long as he exercises proper hygiene and keeps half eaten apples out of his pants.
July 14, 2000, 3:04 a.m. CST
Episode I featured Ray Park and Ian McSomething or rather, who showed up in Sleepy Hollow with Christophers Lee and Walken, who'll appear in Episode II, Walken appearing in a flashback sequence... This all means nothing. Never mind.
July 14, 2000, 3:23 a.m. CST
and it was GREAT!!!! i really wanna sprout out to yall the best line in the entire movie which has nothing to really do with any Xmen mythology or whatever, it is just absolutely hilarious on its own. but i wont say it. you have to watch it fresh without knowing its coming. it is just so cool! damn good movie. doubt itll disappoint! cant wait for it to be out in america so that harry will post up a talkback area for it so i can spill my happy guts about it. btw, the mutant machine thing is not tacky AT ALL. it is handled really well and is far from ludicrous so dont worry your pretty little head about taht when goin in, ok? good. seeya in the funny pages!heehee!baff
July 14, 2000, 4:04 a.m. CST
anybody see saturday night live when kevin spacey played christopher walken auditioning for han solo in the original star wars, well it kicked ass at any rate.
July 14, 2000, 4:06 a.m. CST
by Dr. Omega
On the Wolverine>Mystique Animated GIF, you can see Harry/Mystique's Vagina--that's just WRONG!!!
July 14, 2000, 4:10 a.m. CST
by Dr. Omega
Check this link from Starwars.comhttp://starwars.com/episode-ii/characters/bail_organa.html
July 14, 2000, 4:27 a.m. CST
except for that lame one liner of storms. damn that was bad!
July 14, 2000, 7:08 a.m. CST
hehe seriously are you guys gonna just piss and moan about this for the next 2 yrs? if it all sucks so bad then why are you wasting you time gobbling up any little snipet you can on this movie as for the "matrix" like effects in the released ep.II pic uhm hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha uhmgee and i though it looked like they cut out the images of hayden and the camera man and put it on a smudged background,well thanks for setting me straight
July 14, 2000, 7:51 a.m. CST
by Bob A Fett
Christopher Walken as Darth Bane! AWESOME!
July 14, 2000, 8:15 a.m. CST
You guys need to calm down! What planet are you from?! It's a friggin' movie, okay?! It's two years away. I can't wait to see it either, but that's only because I played with the toys when I was a kid and dug the films. You people are starting to make Trekkies look like the 'cool' guys. If you're over twenty and participating in this nonsense, put down the No-friend-o 64 or the Dungeons and Dragons, and go outside. Take a walk....go make a new friend, because.....I hate to break it to you.....THE MOVIE'S NOT COMING OUT ANY SOONER!!!!! Arrggggg!!!!!!
July 14, 2000, 8:28 a.m. CST
This is what EP1 Novel says about the origin of the Sith and Darth Bane. Basically 1 Jedi breaks off from the rest of the Jedi because he wants to rule rather than serve. Many other Jedi feel the same way and join him. This Jedi forms the Sith and starts a Sith-Jedi war. After he dies, the rest of the Sith start fighting among themselves as much as they fight the Jedi. They are all wiped out except for Darth Bane. He established this 1 master, 1 apprentice rule to keep this in-fighting from happening again.
July 14, 2000, 8:35 a.m. CST
I really don't know a whole hoot about Star Wars and the mythos around it. I usually go to a film, watch it, (enjoy it or hate it), and wait for another to occupy my time. The Star Wars movies have been entertaining and somewhat original...until I just read the last post explaining the Sith origins. Is it just me or did G. Lucas steal the entire Lucifer/God war concept straight out of the Judeo-Christian myth or what? Lucifer/Samyasa/Satan blah blah left the choirs of Seraphim because he would rather rule than serve. War ensues....blah blah. Is Lucas a religious zealot in disguise? Eeek. Correct me if I'm wrong, please. I don't want to think of my cinematic experiences with Star Wars as some sort of diluted and repackaged Bible study.
July 14, 2000, 8:45 a.m. CST
July 14, 2000, 8:52 a.m. CST
Why all the griping about casting "big names" in Star Wars? When was the last time Christopher Walken or Jimmy Smits or Christopher Lee carried a blockbuster? Give me a break, you whiners. Even Ewan and Liam aren't on the same "blockbuster" level as Tom Cruise or Arnold Schwarzenegger. Lucas is doing what he always did -- casting actors he feels fits the roles. All you young baby Naysayers may not remember this, but Peter Cushing and Alec Guinness were relatively big names when STAR WARS first came out. And Harrison Ford himself was a rising star after appearing in George's huge hit AMERICAN GRAFFITI. And then in EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, Lucas cast Billy Dee Williams in a pivotal role -- Williams was another familiar name back then. And in RETURN OF THE JEDI, do you think the Emperor was McDiarmid's first acting job, or Vader was Shaw's first role? QUIT WHINING AND LOOK AT THE FACTS. When I see Ben Kenobi, I don't think "Ooh, there's Alec Guinness." I see Ben. When I see Grand Moff Tarkin, I don't think "Ooh, there's Peter Cushing." I see one of the best villains in the Star Wars saga. When I see Mace Windu, I see Mace Windu not Sam Jackson. If the rest of you are so starstruck that you can't suspend disbelief, then you've been watching too much Entertainment Tonight. Lucas is a genius and we all must bow before his might. If you don't like it, no one is putting a blaster to your head and forcing you to go see the movie. Star Wars rules now and forever. Long live the Jedi!
July 14, 2000, 9:05 a.m. CST
X - Just wanted to point out that the whole CONCEPT behind Star Wars has always been, in GL's mind, that Star Wars is a myth for our age. What is myth? Myth is the cultural stories we involved ourselves in which show our values, culture, dreams, expectations, desires, etc. It is an encapsulation of our culture. Star Wars is one. Christianity is another. The trick is, all myth, because all myth is created involving humans, is very close to fundamentally the same. In many world religions, the concept of a son born of the main deity and a human is present. The morality is much the same. The fall from grace is there. There are other examples. Joseph Campbell, one of the major influences on GL, (GL sits on the Board of Something (Advisers? Directors? Regents?) for the Institute dedicated to his life and works) was the main proponent of this theory. Now, before anyone gets upset at me for calling Christianity a myth, let me quote J.R.R. Tolkien, a devout Catholic, who wrote to his friend C.S. Lewis, "Christianity is a myth. But a myth which happens to be true." I myself am a Christian, and the above theory bothers my Christianity not at all.
July 14, 2000, 10:51 a.m. CST
reading posts I realize that many of you need to relax, suspend your disbelief and watch the movie.. If you bloat your expectations, you will fail to ever be pleased, and/or be entertained. Walken, (genius) could give the kind of twisted 'humanity' to the role of a sith master/apprentice.. I mean, after all, Palp seemed all weak and politico in TPM. Maybe Walken will have taught him how to be a badass, and got pissed at him when he wanted to be a politician. BTW.. anyone heard the Walken monologue delivered by the comedian cat from "Action" about being a dog? "Which would you rather have, Chris.. the power of flight or a tail?" "Come on.. a tail.. you can howp on a plane if you want to fly.."
July 14, 2000, 10:56 a.m. CST
Wasn't Walken one of the original contenders for Han Solo in episode IV? I guess he's earned his place after 23 years waiting. The dude will steal the show if he's only in one scene.
July 14, 2000, 11:02 a.m. CST
It's no secret that Lucas has borrowed things from most of the big religions and myths of the world.Look for it it's there.As far as Christopher Walken being in E2 I say fuck yeah! Now all we need is Gary Oldman--"He must have thought it was gungan day, it ain't gungan day is it?"
July 14, 2000, 11:09 a.m. CST
I'm not in a clever mood right now so I'm hoping someone else picks this up.
July 14, 2000, 11:12 a.m. CST
by Adam Mantioba
Very cool. Now all I need to read is "Lucasfilm has submitted copies of the script to 10,000 of the most fervent SW Fanboys on the planet, and they all agree that this is the best SW movie ever!" and I'll be set.
July 14, 2000, 11:17 a.m. CST
.... I know its all lights and sound. I don't think I was countering against the fact that Star Wars (or Christianity) is a myth... I was commenting on how remarkably similar the two are and thus NOT VERY ORIGINAL. Hell, I can take the Bible and change a few names here and there and make a best seller....but how original is this? So much potential is there... within the Star Wars Universe (or any other sci-fi Universe)... I would have liked for Lucas to come up with new story arcs and myths... not rehashed myths I can read while at mass. This classical version of the servant wanting to master is very OLD. (Keep in mind I am only commenting on this particular part of the story...not the rest. I had no idea that the Sith origins were so classically biblical as they apparently are. That's all.) I appreciate the clarification Kardinal, but I fear you missed the point.
July 14, 2000, 11:38 a.m. CST
He could just as easily be a hologram... You know, voice from the past kinda thing... In the books there is an artifact called the Jedi Holocron which contains the recorded messages/teachings of numerous Jedi masters... I cant recall if it had any Sith lords in it, but even if it doesnt, this could be the kinda thing Lucas is going for... Palpatine/Sidous has to train his new apprentice and when the apprentice asks "why dont you just train an army of ass kickers?" Sidous can show him the hologram recording telling what happened last time they tried it... kind of an instructional video? Just my thoughts...
July 14, 2000, 11:52 a.m. CST
by Movie freak
Christopher Walken in Episode II. I think it fuckin rocks. Remember Chris in Sleepy Hollow? How his pointy teeth made him so bloody cruel and vicious. If this Darth Bane stuff is true, we're in for a treat. Seems like Georgie took a good look at Tim Burtons mysterious fairytale. And all of a sudden he noticed Christopher Lee and Walken. 'By Jabba's beard', he yelled and called his casting agent...
July 14, 2000, 11:54 a.m. CST
by Movie freak
Christopher Walken in Episode II. I think it fuckin rocks. Remember Chris in Sleepy Hollow? How his pointy teeth made him so bloody cruel and vicious. If this Darth Bane stuff is true, we're in for a treat. Seems like Georgie took a good look at Tim Burtons mysterious fairytale. And all of a sudden he noticed Christopher Lee and Walken. 'By Jabba's beard', he yelled and called his casting agent...
July 14, 2000, 11:57 a.m. CST
I love Chris Walken, I love Chris Lee, I love Sam, Ewen, Frank even Jiminy Smits - some of the best character actors of all time. But the big but is that none of them are worth a damn if just used to orbit the likes of Lloyd and Portman from planet wood and gibbering cartoon characters. Was it me, but did Liam look like he wanted smack Jake Lloyd everytime they had a scene together? Wow, that sure was some chemistry between young Mannequin and Queen Ramadaladingdong. Now, as a dedicated whiner, I will repeat this post every day for two years until somebody kills me. However, something tells me that Lucas has learned from all this contstant fanboy bitching, and that Ep. II could indeed kick some proverbial booty IF Lucas hires a real director - a director WITH TEETH! We can only hope that in Ep. II, Sam will read Jar Jar a passage from Ezekial and blow his green brains across the galaxy.
July 14, 2000, 12:19 p.m. CST
by studio plant
Why is everyone scared of Christopher Walken in Ep. 2? He's a freakin' great actor and one you can't take your eyes off of. Even in Sleepy Hollow where he had no lines, you still kept wondering, "what's he gonna do?" I think this is great and anyone who doesn't want Christopher Walken to play a bad guy in a potentially great movie can go back to watching crap like Toy Story 2.
July 14, 2000, 12:50 p.m. CST
Cristopher Walken eh?? I thought Darth Bane was supposed to be some ancient original Jedi turned turned bad sith lord from way back back back, or least that is what the Ep 1 novel eludes to.
July 14, 2000, 1:19 p.m. CST
Toystory 2 is not crap but one of the most fucking great movies ever, Christopher Walken as a dark jedi is one fucking good idea, the lines in StarWars-movies are not bad and Samuel L. Jackson should be a part of EpII and that's the fucking truth. There. I said it. I feel much better now.
July 14, 2000, 1:21 p.m. CST
That's what Yoda says and Yoda could be WRONG, so THERE!!!!!
July 14, 2000, 3:06 p.m. CST
Samuel Jackson is awesome as Mace Windu. I can't wait to see his role expanded in Episode 2 (give us a title already!). And what do you mean there are no big names in X-men???? Look who's playing Professor X? Look who's playing Magneto? And even Ray Park and Rebecca Romijn-Stamos were "known" before X-MEN. How old are you? Are you a writer for Entertainment Weekly? You Naysayers of Doom make me laugh when you talk out of your bungholes. Peace out.
July 14, 2000, 3:19 p.m. CST
Firsly, Chris Walken is a pretty good actor...I have never seen anything of his in which I have not, at the least, noticed and felt his presence on screen, which is precisely the point of all the bitching going on...the man's presence. Not to compare apples and oranges, but Walken reminds me a lot of Boris Karloff in the sense that when you see them, one cannot think of anyone but Walken or Karloff... I am a virgin the the SW orgy, so I really don't know much about this Bane character, except that he sounds way, way cool...hmm...a bad Jedi...badder than vader, of course, would be as most cool thing...like many other people, I was kinda ambivilent about TPM...I live and work in Central America, and you should have seen the hoopla over TPM...being one of the few gringos, I sat back with lots of ecpectations tha were not met, in my opinio, and yes, what the hell is up with Jar jar Binks? Oy Vey, Goergie Porgie...money aint everything, and God knows (and so do we)that you have more than enugh of it... I have always read or heard that the SW mythos was based on Campbell and Conrad and all that stuff...remember that for all of his etachments, Lucas was an original member of the sixties and seventies revolution, and yes, he may have been the square of the group, but he was part of the gruop nonetheless, so in as much the dude came from that vat of talent that was influenced by that stuff. Remember that Hearts of Darkness was supposed to be Wells first picture, and it had been a myth for filmakers everywhere...John Milius who wrote the original apocalypse now and was undoubtedly the most Hemingwayesque, was deeply influed by Conrad... Anyway...flashback stuff would be cool. There is a world of people who love the SW orgy, but dont LOVE the SW orgy, ya dig...we dont go to the conferences or buy the books...we just watch the moovie and buy the DVD when it comes out...so this background supplemental stuff is most definately appreciated...I wanna know why the sith and jedi fought, what the hellare the clone wars and why doesnt the official SW page have no info on Bail Organa????? I send this out to the cosmicvoid awaiting some response.....
July 14, 2000, 3:33 p.m. CST
You missed my point, too! So I'll stick to it this time. The reason for the similarity is this - It's a CLASSIC STORY! Epic stories will ALWAYS be similar because they're all the same things that move us as a people! It seems like a rip-off, but it's not. Was Yahweh and Yeshua a rip-off of Zeus and Hercules? Was Yeshua's human mother a rip-off of Thor's half-human half-divine heritage a rip off? Hell, was Luke's having to go into the forest to confront his greatest fears in Empire a ripoff of the Tempting in the Garden of Gethsemane? It's all rip-offs because these are the stories that move men's souls.
July 14, 2000, 3:34 p.m. CST
darth bane was the sole survivor when the sith lords fought amongst themselves, and he started that whole 'only a master and an apprentice sith policy' so there must be some sort of flashback
July 14, 2000, 5:11 p.m. CST
Xnoumis- You said you could take the Bible and change a few names here and there and have a best-seller. Last time I checked, the Bible was the best-selling book ever. I'm not saying it's true or anything, I just think your post was kind of funny. Busorama
July 14, 2000, 6:21 p.m. CST
10) Now, you listen to me, you little shit-i. 9) Your father hid this uncomfortable lightsaber up his ass for 12 Parsecs. 8) That fucking bitch-whore Amadala. ... I dunno. You guys write the rest.
July 14, 2000, 6:51 p.m. CST
I made this a while back when I first heard walken was gona be in Eii. http://www.lightstream.net/~swampbug Its the the "Cool stuff" section under misc. thank you.
July 14, 2000, 8:31 p.m. CST
Christopher Lee is playing Darth Bane! Walken will never be in Episode 2. Harry has always had it wrong from the first time he reported Walken's name. Lee is Bane. Trust me on this one.
July 15, 2000, 12:15 a.m. CST
think about it...in ESB we saw Obi wan as a ghost, right? in ROTJ we saw him with the sirits of Yoda and Ani, right? Why couldn't there be a spirit of Darth Bane... ...and who cares anyhow, we know that Lucas will deliver, so get out of your mom's basement and get a life you fuckin' freaks... reading news about a film is cool, but please, getting mad that a great actor gets a role in what is bound to be a great film just because he has a name that was brought up in a novel is stupid. tell me i'm wrong
July 15, 2000, 1:12 a.m. CST
by Drexl Aubuchon
Oh yeah, this kicks ass. The coolest man on the face of the earth is going to be in the next Star Wars movie! Let's hope this one does come to fruition. But the real "bane" of this film's existence will be the presence of Ryan Phillippe, which this announcement, if true, will more than make up for.
July 15, 2000, 2:41 a.m. CST
I really don't like Lucas choosing names that have such obvious meaning in the English language. Bane, Maul and Sidious sound so cheezy. Darth Bane - "I'm the jedis' bane!" Darth Maul- "I'm going to maul you!" Darth Sidious - "I'm so insidious!" Vader may have its roots in "invader" or something but it doesn't have too much to do with the character and it isn't so distracting to me. That's probably because the name has been around for my entire life. Solo is a pretty descriptive name (even though he
July 15, 2000, 6:04 a.m. CST
Darth Vader is suspicious as well. In Dutch "vader" means father. So his name gave away the big plot twist in Empire Strikes Back long before Darth Vader uttered those controversial words.
July 15, 2000, 6:48 a.m. CST
7) You fight almost as good as I did when I was 2 6) You're in way over your head kid, I don't even need a vehicle to jump in to hyperspace!!!! 5) At last I will have revenge (get it????) 4) I'm the Dark Jedi that will overshadow all of the light and leave you to rot in shame 3) You are fool-harty! You don't know the power of the dark side (get that one too???) 2) You can take that toy-sabre and put it where the sun don't shine!!!! 1) I'm your father Anakin (yes, I know ol' ma said that there wasn't a father, but that's 'cause she's asahamed over the fact that a dark jedi raped her)
July 15, 2000, 7:28 a.m. CST
AICN has been duped again.
July 15, 2000, 10:56 a.m. CST
Rumorhater here, with some more casting tidbits....ok, lets see, we've got the Rock as Boba Fett, Austin as Anakin...Wait...I know what this film is missing....a great scholar, a magnificent actor...JM J Bullock as Palpetine's assistant Monroe!!!(Enter your own dialogue here - the options are endless)Or maybe Hulk Hogan as an evil Dark Jedi ("and whattttcha gonna doooo when the Sith, the Darkside, and Palpetine, run wild on you!!!!")Or wait...The Crocodile hunter as a Jedi ("Blimey, this here is a nasty Sith...I'm just going to jump down there and put my thumb in it's butthole...oh look, he's so cranky...")Seriously, I've determine the perfect opening scene for EII...Imagine....the darkness of space...the familiar planet of tatooine...then wait...Jar Jar !!("MEESA YOUSA WEESA SHEESHA")..At this point, Boba Fett appears and just....disentergrates him with his flame thrower...and walks away..no talking...that scene is worth the price of admission!!!
July 15, 2000, 11:06 a.m. CST
I personally like "Jerrk Beatoffer"..That's pretty descriptive...kindalike Hand Solo!!Christopher Walken plays the same guy in EVERY movie. Him, Kevin Costner, Randy Quaid (god how I hate him), Mel Gibson, and Julia Roberts play the same f'n character in every movie...They should be locked in a room and gassed for playing the same character...Wait...overheard in Austrailia..."Um, George, I think we need a new character to the Star Wars universe, he can play an intergalactic mail carrier who plays baseball in his spare time..."Oh yeah, and we could create a character that....gets MARRIED! over and over....and wait! one last character...we need a White Trash alcoholic guy....one that will take on the evil aliens...I mean Griswolds...wait I mean storm troopers...." Let you figure out who I mean....
July 15, 2000, 11:25 a.m. CST
I just thought of something new....After reading other peoples interpretation of Sam Jackson's performance in the Ep I and II....here's a future promo for SW II.....Who the Black Jedi dick who's a sex machine to all the chicks....MACE! (you damn right...)Who is the man who kills the sith for yoda when he can...MACE!! (Can ya dig it!)
July 15, 2000, 3:20 p.m. CST
Before anyone else gets thier underwear in a wad about the supposed back story of Star Wars being raped I feel I need to remind you of a few things. First, George Lucas did not originate most of the back story. It is his universe he can do what he damn well pleases. Second, if Walken does play Darth Bane how do you know it will not be a CLONED Darth Bane? Does EP II not involve the clone wars? Perhaps Darth Sidious felt he did not have the time to bring another apprentice into full bloom so he cloned one of the all time baddies thus bringing about the clone wars. Remember he lusts for revenge! Who would want to wait years to train a soldier of evil when you can resurrect one of the ultimate soldiers of evil? So at this point who cares about back story. We can worry about that when we know the whole story.
July 15, 2000, 5:20 p.m. CST
Well, it would be lame if Darth Bane was cloned. And as cool as Chris Walken is, the apprentice to Palpatine/Sidious should not be as old as Walken is. Besides it's tough too speculate what clones are in Star Wars and how one is cloned? Can you clone old jedi? What do you need to do so? Why does the disappearing trick for Jedi matter if you can just be brought back? What about cloning and the force. I mean since the force seems to different life forms living within the person, cloning him wouldn't bring the force. Unless, the material fixes the force level one will have...you of course would think there's something about the man that causes him to be strong with Force creatures. So would a clone automatically result in the same Force aptitude? Nonetheless, a cloned Darth Bane would be lame. More martial artists as apprentices! There's no need to reply that "Darth Maul was not martial arts! He had many extra movements; that's not real martial arts; that's just showing off." It's okay to sacrifice accuracy for style in a movie. Sci-Fi needs some reality, it can't just have a world where the principle of non-contradiction doesn't apply--that would be...stupid. But it can have whirling martial artists with light sabres, no prob. I mean, hell, that's cool.
July 15, 2000, 9:07 p.m. CST
I am so glad the great Christopher Walken is joinning the project (maybe I'm just kidding myself here, but I'd like to believe he will)...I don't mind seeing big names as long as they can ACT, because that's why they're there for. according to the Star Wars Encyclopedia, the equivalent to the Jedi Holocron is the Sith Holocron, so maybe Walken's hologram will come from there. I hope Boba Fett doesn't get too much screen time, because I think he's cool, but not MAIN ROLE kind of cool. About the new Jedi costume in the blurred EPII photo, I kinda liked the robes better. That would make three Sleepy Hollow graduates in Star Wars movies(Ian Mcdiarmid, Christopher Lee and Christopher Walken). Anyway, I know Episode II will rule. And one thing I don't understand is how some people complain about wooden acting in Episode I and claim to have loved the Matrix. That 90's shit leather movie sure has some need for acting coaches...Just think of Keanu "Whoa" Reeves as Neo, Laurence Fishburn's Morpheous-wan-kenobi character...or any of the other "actors"...The only bad news that I have gotten about Ep2 is that the guy that played Mouse in the Matrix will be involved...Seriously, I hope Natalie Portman gets a little bit more in touch with her character...I haven't seen her done anything that surprised me since The Proffessional, and apparently she doesn't care much for her acting anymore. In the words of Sir Alec Guinness, "if you don't end the day emotionally exhausted, you didn't do your jopb well as an actor..." (Sorry I took so much space)
July 15, 2000, 9:23 p.m. CST
I never said a cloned Darth Bane would be acceptable. My point was that Darth Bane could be a part of Star Wars without it screwing up the back story. We know diddley shit about the backstory. What we do know did not even come from George Lucas so why does it matter?Also have you read the Dark Empire comics? The Emperor was cloned SEVERAL times and I really enjoyed it. So if so many of you want to stick to the parts of the Star Wars universe that does not come from George Lucas why would you disregard the Dark Empire comics? However my main point was and still is, don't have a coronary untill we know more about the Star Wars backstory from George Lucas himself. I am sure he will it make absolute certain that the whole story remains continuous. Please tell me if I am wrong.
July 15, 2000, 9:48 p.m. CST
What if Darth Bane's spirit, or whatever constitues a spirit in the Star War's universe, has just been floating around all these years giving Sith lords advice, reading thier horoscope, and predicting the future? Then when cloning technology is invented and it is the hottest thing since lightspeed he decides, "Ummm, it would be kind of nice to have a body again. Then I could really kick some Jedi kiester with my buddy Darth Sidious." If Ben and Yoda become spirits to help Luke why couldn't Darth Bane give Sidious advice? I still want feedback on my idea even if it is in a whole different realm of stupidity.
July 16, 2000, 10:42 a.m. CST
Well, perhaps. That's conjecture evidently based on what has been writen in the SW books. But the books are not "holy canon" in the SW universe. Only the films can be considered.
July 16, 2000, 11:48 a.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
July 16, 2000, 2:51 p.m. CST
Is it true that Ray Park played the headless horseman in sleepy hollow. And is it also true that Ray will be returning to Episode II, playing another character. It would certainly be nice to see Ray play a substantial role in the next SW movie.
July 16, 2000, 3:32 p.m. CST
by A Bookworm
Where did you see this? I went on the official site, saw the official cast line up and it says nothing about Christopher Walken. It lists Jimmy Smitts and Christopher Lee, but no Walken or Darth anything is mentioned. Did I miss it or do you have access to pages or sites that we don't?
July 16, 2000, 4:03 p.m. CST
I just heard another contradiction rumor about Christopher LEE playin' Darth Bane. Now, there doesn't have to be a flashback to fit in the two rule-system 'cause in the same announcement 'bout Lee, Bane was described as a seperatist. Go fig.....
July 16, 2000, 8:51 p.m. CST
I haven't seen it anywhere here, but yesterday's edition of the Hartford Courant had a blurb about Jimmy Smits being confirmed by George Lucas to play Bail Organa.
July 16, 2000, 9:47 p.m. CST
I mean, he lost Maul and I'm pretty sure Bane doesn't really have a long life. . .I guess after he runs out he'll be like "Oh damn, who's left. . .hey, that Skywalker kid looks rather usefull". Who wants to bet that Anakin is the one that slices Bane in two, so that makes Sidious "watch his career with great interest" even further. . .
July 16, 2000, 11:52 p.m. CST
by Pips Orcille
...Bruce Campbell, so the two of them can get medieval on Jar Jar Binks' rear.
July 17, 2000, 5:21 p.m. CST
Did we really need another sidekick? How could this "Walking Duck Fart--Jar Jar Binks" destroy my Star Wars Universe! AHHH!!! Poor C-3PO reduced to wires leaving R2-D2 to hang out with that "wizard" Anakin boy! "Yippy!" Here is a great way to start Episode II. Darth Sidious and his new Sith buddy destroy Naboo with the "Messa" Mo-fo's in thier Computer Generated swamp! "KA-BOOM!" --the audience goes nuts! Also please give Boba Fett a better roll in Episode II. Let him rocket pack around for a scene or two blowing shit up and lasso-ing Jedi dudes or something. After all, he is swallowed up by a big butt hole in Return of the Jedi. Word-UP!
July 18, 2000, 12:30 p.m. CST
Darth Bane will not be the next apprentice. The following information comes from the Sith Timeline or History and the novelization of "The Phantom Menace." Darth Bane lived approximately 1100 years before TPM. After a millenium of fighting, only one Sith -- Darth Bane -- is left. He decides that from this point, only two Dark Lords of the Sith will exist at any one time -- a master and an apprentice. He and his apprentice goes into hiding, slowly and patiently plotting the Sith
July 18, 2000, 4:53 p.m. CST
by Darth Laasherr
It was my understanding that there were going to be more than two dark jedi in the upcoming episode ii. Darth Sidious, Darth Bane, there is rumored to be a dark jedi called Darth Legion, (legion from the passage in the bible where Jesus encounters a man possessed by evil spirits. When asked his name, the man replies Legion because there are thousands of us in here) It was also my understanding that there was going to be a Sith Witch. Multiple bad guys.
July 18, 2000, 5:37 p.m. CST
Don't get Sith Lords and Dark Jedi confused. There may be more than two Dark Jedi, but there only can be two Sith Lords at one time. Darth Bane was the founder of the one master, one apprentice rule for the Sith Lords. There have only been 12 Sith Lords with Vader being the last of them. As for the Sith witch, that is just rumor and speculation right now. Nothing has been confirmed about it.
July 19, 2000, 4:16 p.m. CST
How about David Duchovny as Watto's wife.
July 21, 2000, 2:21 p.m. CST
Why are humans so damn gullible? Okay, just for a moment, visualize that Chris Walken has a part in EP2...That's pretty cool. Unconfirmed, yet a neat idea. That's where it should stop. A neat idea. This whole mess about Darth Bane and blah blah blah...silly, pointless discussion that's based on absolutely nothing except SPECULATION. See, rumors start like this: Dude 1: "I went on the website. I saw some new guy was casted...Christpher something." Dude 2: "Walken? Duuude, that'd be awesome." Dude 1: "He's gotta be a bad guy." Dude 2: "Maybe he's Darth Bane from the novels i keep hearing about." etc... Ok lets assume further that he is casted as Darth Bane, and it is some sort of flashback. To what end would that accomplish? What could that piece of story possibly give us? That theres only two Sith Lords, ever? That's wasted film in my opinion. Why would Lucas put that into this story arc? Why cast a badass so that he could explain why there are only two Dark Jedi? That kinda scene gets deleted anyway, because it traverses off the main plot too much. Anyway, if (and I mean IF) Walken does come on as a Sith Lord, I dont want to see it. If sith lords fall down as easily as that useless mound of sith flesh (Maul), then i definetly do not want to see one of my favorite actors fall. Probably have a weak death anyway. Oh, by the way, I heard that Al Pacino was casted in EP2...He appears to be an ethereal spirit who claims to have given the gift of Immaculate Conception to Anakin's mother.
July 23, 2000, 4:08 p.m. CST
I can confirm Christopher Walken WILL be playing a Sith Lord. A few things different than I've been reading and hearing though. It's hard to make out all that much from my limited access to the actual set itself - but I've heard a few things from those I work closely with. (Not George Lucas or any of the stars although I did get an autograph from Ian MacDiarmond.) Take it for what it's worth. Check the official site for updates. Okay, now about Mr. Walken: (1.) He is a former Jedi Master, now a BAD GUY. (2.) He is NOT apprenticed to Sidious/Palpatine. (3.) There is a scene filmed where dialogue is exchanged between he and Ewan MacGregor. Obi-Wan (sporting a smooth little goatee) says at the end "I am a jedi-". He is quickly cut off with Walken interrupting with "Then something-something Jedi" looking a little peeved, but nothing like a Sith Lord vs. a jedi should. Walken turns his back and walks away. A non-fighting scene, and admittedly very confusing. He is certainly dressed like a Sith Lord, though simpler looking than Maul. Obi-Wan is dressed like a Jedi. (4.) His name is Fathom, though there is a Bane involved in the story... no absolute answers on that. But I KNOW he is addressed as "Lord Fathom". (5.) I don't know if there is another Sith besides Sidious or Fathom or thier relationship at all. All I'm really trying to find out is - Is Anakin's Lightsaber red or blue? Is Obi-Wan's green or blue. Can't find out a thing. The lightsabers everyone sees as props are of course, not glowing yet (they're green metal). firstname.lastname@example.org
April 9, 2002, 5:28 p.m. CST
A little over one month until openning, and guest what: NO FUCKING WALKEN! He ain't in the movie. Dipshits.
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