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Hey folks, Harry here. As my bugs continue to transmit audio from Lorenzo's office at Warner Brothers, I have picked up some interesting bits... Something about a parallel between somebody and their wife and how that is like Shaggy and Scooby, and then that the deal is coming together for Darren Aronofsky on BATMAN. Now, one thing that must be clear to everyone is that this should cease to be referred to as BATMAN 5. That's not what is going on here. For example, we would not have called the Nick Cage Superman flick SUPERMAN 5. This will be a complete departure from where Schumacher had hi-jacked the series. The latest conversation in Lorenzo's office that I've heard is that Darren Aronofsky is co-writing the script with Frank Miller. Now... I know that that would be fanboy wetdream shit, so beyond that audio... which I felt might have been being staged for me. I decided to... ahem... call around. And it seems that Darren and Frank got along famously while working on RONIN together, and had had many conversations about the Bat and what to do with him. While the other folks I talked to haven't spoken to Frank recently, they felt that this was in fact very very likely, as Frank has spoken well of Darren apparently. Hopefully this should be showing up officially very soon. Personally, I am very curious now.

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  • June 23, 2000, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Fuck me, someone up there cares about the Bat.

    by Brian DePalma

    He could be about to be given a second chance. This is wicked.

  • June 23, 2000, 6:38 a.m. CST

    wrong impressions

    by sonnyboo2

    I was under the impression that Frank Miller would never want to work with Hollywood again after the Robocop series.... Maybe this is a fanboy dream. Maybe they can make a page by page remake of THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, and even get Nic Cage as Supes....

  • June 23, 2000, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Good news....

    by DrZarkov long as the suits don't overpower the new director. If he is given full rein then wow, I can't wait. But if an the other, and more likely hand, the suits say "we can't market that to mcdon-burgerking etc" then Batman & Robin 2 anyone? Tim Burtom was pretty much set loose in "89 but that was before batman became a cash cow. Now they may be reluctant to go for something "secular" ie not designed to appeal to all (batman & Robin) and thus fall flat on his noggin.

  • June 23, 2000, 6:43 a.m. CST


    by mmm_free_wig

    Well this is where they need to go. There's no point in even mentioning shoemaker anymore, and the attrocities he commited. They are the past now, they doesn't exist. Although a great new vision would be fantastic, and I would take it in a second as gospel (if its good), I want to see Burton helming again.. he's so great.

  • June 23, 2000, 6:57 a.m. CST


    by Milo_357

    Frank Miller... The Dark Knight Returns... OhpleaseOhpleaseOhplease.....

  • June 23, 2000, 7:01 a.m. CST


    by Burger-Pimp


  • June 23, 2000, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Harry you got your wires crossed on those bugs, what you really

    by Bari Umenema

    Mike Myers as Bruce Wayne would actually be Incredibly Commercial. It would be tongue in cheek campy fun like the old Batman TV show with Adam West. Man now that's what I call Pure Entertainment! Touche Boys Touche!!

  • June 23, 2000, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Why am I not excited

    by Blair_jedi

    I find it hard to get "pumped up" for a new Batman flick. The only one that didn't suck was the first one. I thought Batman Forever had its moments, but the other ones were trash. Batman and Robin was terrible. How could this one be any different? An R-rated Dark Knight movie could be interesting if they made it. Outside of that slim possibility, the Batman movies arouse very little interest in me now. Hopefully the "powers that be" read our posts and think about it.

  • June 23, 2000, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Cool beans.

    by pablolobo

    no Affleck, no Affleck, no Affleck, no Affleck.

  • June 23, 2000, 7:37 a.m. CST

    It'll be screwed up as usual.

    by Mad Dog

    Got to agree with Blair jedi bloke The only Batman that was excellant was the first one The second and third had some points worth noting (mainly the bad guys, Carrey as riddler and michelle as catwoman, meyow!) and the other sequels, well less said about those the better. Anyway as far as the new film possibility goes, as long as they dont focus on the 'How much money we can make!' then I'm always happy for a return to the Batman.

  • June 23, 2000, 7:39 a.m. CST

    believe it when you see it

    by rossimus

    First of all it's a lot easier to think of a new Superman movie as part 1 because the made the last one was soooo long ago!It is much harder to forget the tripe which we have been fed in the last 5 years claiming to be Batman movies.The last good Batman? Worlds Finest.And anyone who thinks that Nick Cage would have EVER made a good Superman can sit and watch what ever manure they will eventually try to show us, and they will LIKE it!Hollywood will NEVER achieve the level that these films deserve to be made at until they cast unknowns in the roles to properly fill them instead of relying on star power to pull through shitty scripting.As far as Frank Miller is concerned, yes it might be cool, but Batman should be written of for a while, so how how about Daredevil!!

  • June 23, 2000, 7:56 a.m. CST


    by NUXX4

    FRANK MILLER!! YEAH BABY!!! Hey, i dont care what everyone thinks, Robocop 2 still kicked some serious ass, even if they did fiddle with the script. Now make the Batman movie weve been waiting for and maybe save the Dark Night storyline for later. No need to turn old Brucie into an old and bitter man just yet. And PLEASE, PLEASE put Zsaz in this one? He is by far one of the best (and evil) villains in the Batman universe! And Frank, when youre done with that, hook up with David Fincher and make that Sin City movie already. Thats my humble opinion, two cents, etc... NUXX OUT.......

  • June 23, 2000, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Does anyone else think that Miller might just be a teensy bit ov

    by Lance Rock

    Uh oh, here come the flamers. But really, let's look at his Hollywood track record. Robocop 2? What else has he done? Please inform.

  • June 23, 2000, 8:02 a.m. CST

    The Bat Will Be Bigger Than Star Wars!!!

    by Duty

    Very good news.....I miss summer pool harry!!! Anny way Im a happy little lamb!!!

  • June 23, 2000, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Frank who?

    by Mad Dog

    Bruce Cambpell for the Batman! And I truly mean that no joke, he would be perfect, he's got the chin, the expressive eyes and he's got the same name as the character! Kind of.

  • June 23, 2000, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Casting Dreams for the Dark Knight!

    by Namdre

    Clint Eastwood - Bruce Wayne/Batman Jack Nicholson - Joker Sean Connery - Oliver Queen/Green Arrow Bring in an Unknown for Robin Now that would be a movie I'd See over and over and over.

  • June 23, 2000, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Derek? Art thou totally super-stupido? FLAME ON!

    by NUXX4

    Im not really one who likes to come in here flaming away, but your posting above that FM is

  • June 23, 2000, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Ooops, that was

    by NUXX4

  • June 23, 2000, 8:39 a.m. CST

    the miller?

    by Harvester

    Ok guys bare with me for a sec... is this the Frank Miller? The one of the Sin City fame? Well the guy hasn't done much in Hollywood but in the comic business he is one of the most well-recognized writers that have been. Sin City is a masterwork of script-writing and plot structure. This guy is great. I mean the guy actually came to Greece to do research before writing a 5 issue comic mini series called "300", which tells the story of Leonidas and the battle of Thermopylles. A big historical event in Greece during the Persian wars (aprox 400bc). If it's the sae guy then praise the lord we have a writer....of course we also need a producer that wont interfere....a director with a vision for the batguy...and a sombre solid actor that has'nt got blonde hair...

  • June 23, 2000, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Frank Miller *drool*

    by Chamber7777

    I like the idea of maybe having DarkKnight come to film, although i'd rather see it in Animated splender like the touched on in the Animated Series. That KICKED ASS. Not to mention the suits would get pissed if Superman popped in and then got his ASS KICKED by a mere mortal. (: I rather see something a little more current, Raz Az Ghul (spelling) could be a great 'rebirth' story. Something like an amaglamation of 'Batman Beyond,' 'Kingdom Come,' and 'Knight Quest Series.' where an older Bruce Wayne passes on the mantel of the Bat to a younger guy 'Azreal' who subsequently goes nuts. So Bruce has to contend with a Mad Batman, and Raz Az Ghul plot to purify the world. The Whole movie could have a dark grimy 'Blade Runner'/'5th Element' look. And could span parts of the globe with key scenes being a stunning battle between an older Bruce Wayne (Sean Connery, Anthony Hopkins) in a way cool exo bat suit above the lazerous pool which he could fall into and rejuvenate (kinda hokey, but way cool) to a younger more fit ass kicking mother fucker of a batman 'Angel from Buffy.' And a final climatic battle between Bruce wayne and Batman on the top of new Batman atop wayne enterprises towers (pkonas towers kinda looking?' which ends with Wayne successful an older Knightwing. And a new greater movie franchise. It could be way cool. (: - Well I'm outa here. PEACE!!!

  • June 23, 2000, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Could be worse

    by DarthSlater

    I'm beyond really caring or getting excited about new Bat-news. My response to all of it is simply: Could be worse. This Deranged Sith Lord THOUGHT that he knew true evil, but I was sorely humbled when I looked upon Joel and Akiva's magnificent creation. Destroying planets? Fuck, half of my starships can do that. But destroying Batman? That's evil, evil shit, man. After it was announced that Shumacher would not do the next installment, I didn't even care who they picked to replace him. As long as it's not Joel, it could be worse. D.A. and Frank Miller? Could be worse. Chris Columbus directing and Kenneth Branagh writing? Could be worse. Batman done completely with Claymation? Could be worse. Pauly Shore staring as the Dark Knight and the Olson twins as his love interest? Could be worse. In fact, I could slam my testicles in the car door for a week while being anally violated by an aardvark and a swordfish, and I would sit there complacent, a smug look on my face, thinking "Could be worse." The Dark Lord of Kansas has SEEN worse, my children, and Mr. Freeze made him cry like a little child. And trust me, you have not seen ugly until you have seen the Dark Lord cry.

  • June 23, 2000, 8:51 a.m. CST

    I forgot to have a point in my last post . . .

    by DarthSlater

    Personally, I thought that "Pi" was pretentious and melodramatic, but its one redeeming feature was its techno score, which I felt carried the entire movie and gave it about 95% of the "flare" that everyone was talking about. Imagining a similar (yet somewhat darker) score for a Batman film instead of the typical orchestral bombast of the last two is almost enough to get me excited again. Almost.

  • June 23, 2000, 9:28 a.m. CST

    The only way I'll see another Batman

    by Hinesy

    I say it over and over, The Dark Night Returns as a movie. Harrison Ford as Batman, Russel Crowe as Superman, Frank Miller writing it and Tim Burton or David Fincher directing. And no more of that Batman Forever, Batman and Robin music; bring back the music from the original, the spooky threatening music. No rubber suits either, I'm sure they can think up a costume that showed off Harrison's muscles without having to resort to rubber. And who cares if they've killed off the two greatest villians of the series, bring back Joker and Two Face anyway. Hey, the Halloween series made H2O with Jamie Lee after she supposedly died in one of them and it worked, besides, people will want to see Joker again and Two Face? Well we really didn't get to see a two-face anyway since Batman Forever was a Jim Carrey showcase (by the way he got the Riddler totally wrong). This movie could be incredible and in the idea-starved Hollywood today, I'm surprised they haven't already ripped it off. But no one would have the balls to make this movie the way it should be made which is a shame.

  • June 23, 2000, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Frank Miller did NOT do "Lone Wolf and Cub"

    by zathras2

    He only did the cover for the Trade Paperback. It was a Japanese import.

  • June 23, 2000, 10:02 a.m. CST

    My Batman thoughts

    by Wheel99

    Miller is the right guy to have on the project. When the comics went bad it was Millers books that saved him!!!! Dark Knight Returns re invented the character!!!! Now that the movies have lost focus like the comics did , It only makes sense that Miller works on bringing Bats to kick ass form again. The Batman movie had Bob Kane as a tech consultant. Bob had admitted several times that he didnt get Dark Night.... I know he created the character but when a guy says he dosent get the material that made the character popular to begin with...Well it dosent make much sense to me. I would rather see a year one or an original script before a Dark Knight. Two Hours just anit enough to give a dark knight script focus.

  • June 23, 2000, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Re: Zanthras

    by NUXX4

    Ooops. My bad. Taking that one back.. NUXX OUT.....

  • June 23, 2000, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Frank Miller! Finally!

    by Wolvie6

    Its about damn time!! Christ! This is who they should have had from day one! I thought Sam Hamm did fine on the first script but fans have been calling for Miller forever! About casting this,I can't seem to come up with one perfect Batman but I have read some of the posts and already the Bruce Campbell fans are popping out of the woodwork. Sorry folks! Try again. He would ruin this movie as surely as bringing back Shuemacker. (however you spell his damn name)

  • June 23, 2000, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Re:Ted Pikul

    by rossimus

    Het Ted, Miller did a comic series called Ronin, not the Deniro movie, COMPLETELY different things.You should try to find the TPB it's not his best work, but it's pretty damn good

  • June 23, 2000, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Frank ain't as good as you think...

    by SmoothTex

    While I'm a big time fan of Frank's comics work on such cool titles as Sin City and 300, I'm not a big fan of his movie writing. The last movies that I can remember him writing were ROBOCOP 2 and ROBOCOP 3. ROBOCOP 2 was, well..., OK but ROBOCOP 3 was a total abortion! I'm willing to give it chance but my hopes aren't as high as many of yours.

  • June 23, 2000, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Batman's utility belt

    by holidill

    I figured since herc has his strong box, I could have my Batman Utility belt. Primarily I just want to state a few things about Batman, being a huge comic collector, so here is some scattered ideas -Bruce Campbell as Commissioner Gordon, Pat Hingle was so wrong for that role, it needed to be a younger man who was more involved in the story. -No Ben Affleck, No Matt Damon,No other flavor of the month pretty boys, granted Bruce Wayne is a handsome playboy, we need someone unexpected, Val Kilmer was close, as was Michael Keaton, I thought Clooney was a good Bruce Wayne, but I think we need to start fresh, start the franchise over again. Start with a gritty Year ONe, or the brillant Long Halloween/Dark Victory, have Arronofsky film this new film in gritty Black and white for a noirish feel,Have Frank Miller, Paul Dini, and Jeph Loeb collaberate on the screenplay, bring back Danny Elfman for the music score and just re-start the whole franchise over. -Down the line have Batman and a young Robin take on Ra's Al Ghul (played by Sean Connery), introduce Batman's beloved Talia(any hottie who can act)and you've got a movie. -Don't have Batman kill, don't kill the bad guys off, send them to Arkham, don't have everyone and his mother learn Batman's secret identity, have a parade of woman go by such as Vicki Vale, Silver St. Cloud, Selina Kyle(and Catwoman), Pamela Isley(and Poison Ivy), have the Joker team up with Harley Quinn, and generally make the films more like the brillant comic series. -If you want you can at the same time do a spin-off/altrnate reality of a live-action Batman Beyond, or even a No Man's Land movie(though I would rather see that as an animated trilogy that is rated PG/Pg-13 done in the Cartoon series style that doesn't pull any punches), heck even a Dark Knight Returns movie if you want. I think I can see Russell Crowe as an aging Superman, but please no Nicolas Cage, I also don't want to see him do Willy Wonka in the supposed horrible idea of a remake of that classic. Gene Wilder is Willy Wonka. -Keep Batman's supporting cast, Michael Gough is perfect as ALfread, Robert Costanzo who voices Bullock could play him in the movie, get Lucius Fox in there as well, Dr. Leslie Thompkins, Barbara Gordon, before and after she gets crippled, Det. Motoya, Bock, etc. and so on. This will breathe life into the franchise. Let's hope it works out. Any thoughts those of you who were brave enough to read all this?

  • June 23, 2000, 11:13 a.m. CST


    by iamdeadfish

    Ronin is one of my favorite Frank Miller comics! I wish they would make that into a movie instead of Batman. Of course they would probably have to change their name... thanks to that Robert De Niro flick. That one was a good movie, but it could have been called something else.

  • June 23, 2000, 11:18 a.m. CST

    miller shouldn't write this

    by damage

    Now, I love Miller's comics (well, most of them), but his Robocop scripts sucked. Many of the things Miller uses in his comics successfully looked and sounded ludicrous on film.

  • June 23, 2000, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Bruce? You're joking right?

    by nix78

    I'm a huge fan of Bruce Campbell... but he's not perfect for EVERY MOVIE. Every time someone mentions casting for a male lead around here, somebody yells BRUCE! BRUCE! Bruce as Batman? Bruce is known for playing loudmouthed comedic heroes... how does that make him right for the dark, brooding, Batman?

  • June 23, 2000, 11:24 a.m. CST

    How's about this ?

    by RobinP

    I think that most people would agree that "The Dark Night Returns" is the way to go....but, surely that's too long a story to be cut down to a 2 hour running time. Why not a big budget miniseries ? Show it on four or five consecutive nights. When something's written as well as "Dark Knight" don't want to cut corners ! Who's with me on this ?

  • June 23, 2000, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Cats and Dogs, living together...

    by X-Mole

    ...ok, I'm confused. Did Aronofsky and Miller work together on the Frankenheimer-directed action movie 'Ronin', or on Frank's COMIC BOOK about a Samurai, 'Ronin'? Seeing as they are different, but not many people here seem to have picked up on that. I would guess the comic, but Aronofsky would have been quite young then. And in what capacity would he 'work on' Frank's comic? Surely someone is teasing us here.

  • June 23, 2000, 12:01 p.m. CST


    by grammarcop

    can anyone tell me why all of you seem to like the first batman so much? i thought it was lame. however, that's probably because i can't stand tim burton. no matter how big the budget or the subject matter, he always manages to make his movies feel small and dull. Feel free to enlighten me.

  • June 23, 2000, 12:03 p.m. CST

    It pisses me off seeing Bruce Campbell is going to waste

    by mcface

    He obviously has the talent, he obviously has the fans. It seems like everyone I meet today is a Bruce Campbell fan (me included). Everyone seems to be a fan of the Evil Dead series (particularly Army of Darkness). So someone make it happen. Someone put him in a good fucking movie. Stop letting him go to waste! I'm not necessarily saying Batman is the best choice, but please, something good. Oh yeah, I just saw Batman Returns again about a month ago. Have you noticed that, that movie is totally the bad guys movie. It focuses almost entirely on the bad guys, like atleast 90%. Batman is only in it for the fight scenes. Awesome movie though, bring back Keaton/Burton. They made the Batman movies like they should be.

  • June 23, 2000, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Fuck reality.

    by Adam Mantioba

    Well, nevermind that. In all actuality, it would be nigh-impossible to get the brilliant "Dark Knight Returns" down to a 2 hour movie AND to cut it down to get that PG-13 rating I'm sure the studio wants. But being the huge geek that I am, I'm still praying that some act of God will make it so. An alternate scenario: a film adaptation of "The Killing Joke", which is the Joker's origin story. Batman still has a role, it's not as crazy violent as TDKR, and it's a damn fine story. I'm sure the studio would love to bring the Joker back, because he's way cooler than any Mr. Ahnuld Freeze, or Ace Ventura Riddler. I know it's cliched, but I think Ed Norton would absolutely kill as a young Joker. He can play the kind of wimpy guy the pre-Joker was, and he can do the kind of insanity the Joker brings to the table.

  • June 23, 2000, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Why everyone likes the first Batman

    by ThereIsNoSpoon

    Yes it was gay. There were all sorts of problems. The sets and the FX looked horribly fake when I first saw it in 89. Go watch it again now and it will make you laugh like a bad 50's B-movie. The pacing is slow and uneven and all the "dark" flourishes- in the design, the action scenes, and the performances all felt like this is what 10 year old kids think is dark and brooding. But this was the first film in the modern summer blockbuster era, perhaps the first film ever, to be adapted from a comic book and to treat it's source material seriously. It never "Cheezed out" and winked at the audience saying "come on, this is a comic book, you can't take it seriously!" It never apologized for being based on a comic and it didn't go the safe, campy route that so many comic book based films in the past lazily fell back on. And it was a comercial success. It proved to the suits that you could make a serious movie and try to make something of quality and depth despite - no, BECAUSE of it's comic book origins. It paved the way for films like "The Crow" and "Blade" and yes, "X-men" and next year's "Spiderman", and even by extension "The Matrix", none of which would have been made with as much consideration towards trying to make a good movie if Batman had been campy like the 60's show or remained serious and tanked at the BO. Ironic that all the lessons the first batman taught us were lost within it's own franchise.

  • June 23, 2000, 1:10 p.m. CST

    seven11 & grammarcop cot it right

    by ClOWNE

    Hey, yo, everybody....THEY WERE ALL LAME! All the batman movies. Why? Not dark -- just comickey. The later ones were soooooo bad that they just made people look back in retrospective at #1 and go, "gee, that one was pretty good." WRONG. It just looked better in comparison to the latter crap. I pray -- PRAAAAAAAYYY that they make a goddamn Batman movie that is as dark and mysterious AND HAS A DECENT GODDMAN STORY as the comics have. DKR? Sure. But I'm inclined to go along with Year One as the better story. I'll throw another possibility in the mix: Alan Moore's The Killing Joke.

  • June 23, 2000, 1:17 p.m. CST


    by spiderfreddie

    dear,mr. lorenzo bonaventura,please i beg you do not make,a batman year one,your making a big mistake by doing that!!,also a mistake is to make a film adaptation of dark knight returns,that comic is unfilmable,and personally i feel it's an overexagerration of batman,that's not batman,the real batman,is the batman of the animated series and the batman of the current comic,and i heard a rumor on the net which i hope to GOD is true,that wb two choices are year one or a sequel and if they go with a sequel,they wan't clooney to return!PLEASE MR BONAVENTURA I BEG YOU ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND BILLIONS OF OTHER BATMAN FANS THAT COULD'NT STAND SEEING THE NEXT BATMAN FILM TURNED INTO YEAR ONE OR DARK KNIGHT,THOSE DIRECTIONS ARE TOTALLY UNNECESSARY!!!!!!!!!!!PLEASE GO WITH A SEQUEL THAT IS DARKER AND HAS MORE SUBSTANCE AND THE ACTION OF THE MATRIX&BLADE!!AND MAKE CHRISO DONNELL COME BACK BUT THIS TIME AS NIGHTWING,AND PLEASE MAKE BATGIRL COME BACK JUST MAKE HER MOR KICK ASS LIKE TRINITY FROM THE MATRIX!!!AND PLEASE I BEG YOU BRING GEORGE CLOONEY BACK!!!! HE WAS THE BEST DAMN BATMAN!! WITH THE WORST DAMN SCRIPT AND DIRECTOR EVER!!!!!!!THE WERE FIGHT SCENES IN THREE KINGS AND DUSK TILL DAWN,WHERE HE DISARMED PEOPLE AND KICK THEIR ASS,BUT GOOD,OH PLEASE! I BEG YOU LORENZO DIBONAVENTURA,KEEP GEORGE CLOONEY AS BATMAN FOR A VERY LONG TIME,PLEASE HE HAS SAID HE WOULD DO IT IF IT'S A GOOD SCRIPT!!PLEASE DARKKNIGHT OR YEAR ONE TOTALLY SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!

  • June 23, 2000, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Big Bad Frank

    by The Avenger

    The movie is Year One, not Dark Knight. Warners would never do Dark Knight. They won't even touch Kingdom Come, JLA, ore even World's Finest. KC and JLA were both in development as animated projects, but Warner's nixed it. "Too many heroes!" So forget about seeing Supes and Bats in anything together, other than the occasional episode of the carttoon. Darren A. at one point was attached to a big screen version of Frank Miller's Ronin; a four isue series about a Samurai in techno-nightmare 21st century NY. Every interview that I ever read with Miller, he always states how much he hates Hollywood. They trashed his Robocop scripts. They were actually good. Need proof? Check out his Robocop Vs Terminator series from Dark Horse. The man knows his Robo. But Frank working on Y1 w/ Darren? Everybody go to church this sunday and pray for this to be true!

  • June 23, 2000, 1:20 p.m. CST


    by Oatu

    Whoever directs it, they need to at least give that guy who plays Batman in the Onsat commercials a chance...

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  • June 23, 2000, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Mixed feelings...

    by mephisto666

    Hmm, well, I am quite looking forward to this, for a number of reasons. 1) While I like the first Batman flick, it does look very '80s now. 2)It was very much Burton's film, rather than Batman's, if that makes sense. I did like Keaton and Nicholson, and I thought a lot of the dialogue was good. In order to succeed as a remake this film must go in a completely different direction to the original.

  • June 23, 2000, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Avenger i'll pray to GOD that year one never happens!!!!!!

    by spiderfreddie


  • June 23, 2000, 1:48 p.m. CST


    by rossimus

    NO WAY! Watch the cartoon, this is the best depiction of Batman.He is supposed to be over 6 feet tal 220-230lbs, in Wolds Finest you can barely tell the difference between him and SM!Anyway, how about a story line that gets back to the reason Batman has been so popular for so long.He has no sooper powers! I would much more like to see a story like Batman:The Cult, where he has to actually overcome some kind of real problem, then see him having a pissing contest.All of the movies seem to just say "yeah he's a badass".How about showing us WHY!!And if they can't get a good Batman OR Superman movie made I guess we willNEVER see a Justice League movie.Personally I'd settle for a kick ass Green Lantern movie.With Hal Jordan of course.I like Kyle but they should tell the story in the order it happened.I know I'm dreaming, but I'm sure you all will wake me up!

  • June 23, 2000, 1:56 p.m. CST

    No Dark Knight Returns

    by XeroDragon

    I think that if the franchise is to be rebooted, an Elseworlds type story is not going to help. The reason DKR affects fans of the comic book so much is because we know the Batman character and we know how much of departure from that character was taken. Do you seriously think that this story will resonate at all with an audience who has seen Batman flash out a MasterCard with his logo on it and say "Never leave home without it" (B&R)? No, it won't. The movie-going audience doesn't know who the Batman character is and what has made him successful. If Warner Bros. just showed that they understood with a good on-screen detective story, I'd go watch. And I'm pretty sure everyone else would too.

  • June 23, 2000, 2:03 p.m. CST


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  • June 23, 2000, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Seth Gecko-Jim Morrison-Mr Mom...

    by honeys dead

    They all have been Batman. What character will fill the breast plate next? Perhaps... Ash himself will be the best yet.

  • June 23, 2000, 2:13 p.m. CST


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  • June 23, 2000, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Sorry but....

    by rossimus

    ...the only point I was disputing that you made was George Clooney.He just doesn't have the physique that Batman should have, he may be over 6 foot, but I guess I should have said WELL over 6 foot and he comes no where close to 230 lbs, sorry man he just don't cut it, much like Nick Cage would never fit the part of Superman.This isn't a commentary on thier abilities as actors, just thier likeness to the characters they're playing.

  • June 23, 2000, 2:18 p.m. CST

    P.S.lay off the caps button junior, you're makin my eyes hurt

    by rossimus

  • June 23, 2000, 2:19 p.m. CST

    jameson induced dark knight casting

    by kidmojo

    a few years ago, when i was a comic scribe, we kicked around the possibility of casting Dark Knight returns. i hope ican remember them all:Harrison Ford as Wayne/Batman;gene hackman as gordon;tim curry as joker;harvey keitel as dent;robin i believe was the girl from the piano; bruce campbell as supes;howard hessman as green arrow. i'm sure this was pretty much it. one can always dream. V

  • June 23, 2000, 2:25 p.m. CST


    by spiderfreddie


  • June 23, 2000, 2:30 p.m. CST


    by rossimus far, but so far we haven't seen anything that was very accurate, and is you're caps button stuck or are you just retarded.

  • June 23, 2000, 3:12 p.m. CST

    A Timely Reminder from D-Girl about Bat Girl

    by Junior D-Girl

    Don't forget her! Alicia kicked major butt in her skintight batsuit and if you want to bring in girls and women bring back my fave Salina Kyle aka Catwoman but re-cast her with someone besides anorexic Michelle Pfeiffer...May I humbly suggest Mena Suvari as a Younger Catwoman for Bat Girl to have a major kickboxing match with, and remember boys, I take Krav Maga Classes twice a week in West L.A. Hi-Yah!! Also, Dear Lorenzo, if I may be so forward, how about inviting me in for an interview, you could use another female exec over there at Burbank BoysTown...

  • June 23, 2000, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Batman, Batman, He Can Do Anything A Bat Can

    by Cowblaster

    If they make another Batman flick, I prey to God they just start all over from scratch. No Year One, No Dark Knight, No sequels to Schumacher's fiasco. Just START OVER. I don't care who they cast, so long as it isn't just some Hollywood name with budding Star-Power. Just make a GOOD Batman movie. Make it an action/mystery movie with mobsters who kill each other, and try not to bog it down with some love story thrown-in from left field. I mean, to me, the only believable love story for Batman was in Mask of the Phantasm! No more of this Vicki Vale shit, where all of Bruce's girlfriends find out who he really is and have a happy ending, yet don't stick around for the sequel. A Batman movie should be dark, mysterious, and tragic. And for once, can we get an actor who can fight? I would love to actually see Bruce Wayne pull off a few moves on his own. Besides, it'd be cheaper than hiring a fighting stand-in, wouldn't it? (Not counting actual stuntmen)

  • June 23, 2000, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Frank Miller's good

    by shogun

    Alan Moore's BETTER

  • June 23, 2000, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Aronofsky Is Good Choice. Reservations About Miller.

    by Buzz Maverik

    I am a fan of Frank Miller. From Daredevil to the Dark Knight to Year One to Ronin, Sin City, 300, Martha Washington, Big Guy & Rusty, Hardboiled, Terminator Vs. Robocop, you name it. He is unparalleled as a comics creator. I didn't like Robocop II at all, but I haven't seen enough examples of films he's worked on to have a clear idea what was his fault. The problem I have with him interpreting Batman for the movies is that his Batman was as ridiculously hardassed as Schumacher's was campy. I hated what he did with Batman in Spawn Vs. Batman. Don't like the almost military Batman at all and I don't think I could sit through a whole movie of it. I also have a problem with his versions, great as they are, being considered the definitive versions of characters. I don't think Mr. Miller feels they are, but many fans, comic book creators and it seems Hollywood types do. (Although I always laughed at Schumacher talking about what a Dark Knight fan he was. What did he like about The Dark Knight Returns? The fucking color schemes.) Daredevil hasn't been right since Miller did the book because no one can do it like he can ( and that includes you Kevin Smith. Yawn!) but they think they have to. There's another side to that character, one who fights the Owl and the Matador and always had a wilting sarcasm toward the worst dangers. Miller fixed a lot of things wrong with the character and concept, but I still think Gene Colan and Stan Lee were definitive. For Batman, after the camp and emasculation of the character for T.V., a violent, slightly psychotic Dark Knight was welcome in '85 or '86 (don't tell me which, I was buying 'em then and you probably weren't)but now it might play like the '80s versions of characters that Alan Moore occasionally pokes fun at in Supreme. All this said, I hope these guys pull it off and do it right. Miller should use a little restraint, not forget to use and few jokes and basically not come off like a geek getting his shot at the title, and he'll do just fine.

  • June 23, 2000, 4:30 p.m. CST

    I just hope the film is about Batman for once!

    by superninja

    Can we please see Bruce doing the playboy thing, and wrestling with his inner demons as opposed to a 2 min. flashback of the death of his family that's supposed to explain why this guy dresses up like a giant bat? Can we see the emotional trauma caused to Wayne by having to pretend to love life as a Playboy, when he'd rather be running around punishing himself and criminals? It hasn't been done yet...

  • June 23, 2000, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Year One would work as a CONCEPT, not a direct translation.

    by superninja

    That's all that's being said, I believe. The focus is on Wayne's transformation into Batman and serves to introduce the rest of the main characters in his universe. Agreeing with what everyone else said about focusing on Batman's lack of superpowers as well -- it's what makes him cool. None of the fancy toys unless they are realistic and practical. As for height and weight, a lot can be flubbed with the camera: Clooney would work, Keaton would not. I feel sorry for Clooney actually, because in interviews it seemed he was allowing the blame to rest on his shoulders (too nice of a guy if you ask me) for the mediocrity of the film.

  • June 23, 2000, 5:01 p.m. CST


    by spiderfreddie

    DEAR LORENZO PLEASE BRING CLOONEY,ODONNELL,AND SILVERSTONE COME BACK!!!all of them have said they would return if asked,even this june 7,2000 on acess hollywood,alicia silverstone said she would return,but she has'nt heard anything about it!! please mr.dibonaventura!!! i beg you contact george,chris,and alicia,and bring them back!!!! just make the movie waaaaaaaay better!!!!!!!please!!!!!!!!!!

  • June 23, 2000, 5:02 p.m. CST


    by spiderfreddie

    DEAR LORENZO PLEASE BRING CLOONEY,ODONNELL,AND SILVERSTONE COME BACK!!!all of them have said they would return if asked,even this june 7,2000 on acess hollywood,alicia silverstone said she would return,but she has'nt heard anything about it!! please mr.dibonaventura!!! i beg you contact george,chris,and alicia,and bring them back!!!! just make the movie waaaaaaaay better!!!!!!!please!!!!!!!!!!

  • June 23, 2000, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Just a good story will be fine.

    by Vynson

    The problem with Batman is that so few people understand the character. They just know it's dark. So they try to lighten it up. In the first movie, the Joker screwed up the movie. Dark humor was there to be served, but they gave us camp instead. Then they got stupid with the penguin and then it really went down hill. The problem is that the screenwriters don't know how to shift values from positive to negative and back again when the theme is so dark. So they screw it up, and the movie ends up not being about Batman. Movies are not comics, but they are story. We just need an exceptional storyteller to tell us a wonderful story about this brilliant, obsessive detective who dresses like a bat at night. I don't want to see the Dark Knight or the year one stories. I want to see something I've never seen before.

  • June 23, 2000, 5:09 p.m. CST


    by Hud

    Casting directors should take a serious look at Patrick Warburton ("Puddy" from Seinfeld) for the lead in a new Batman. He's got the physical presence and the steeliness. Bruce Wayne's basically a tough guy, and this guy can play tough.

  • June 23, 2000, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Hey, why is Puddie dressed up in the Batman suit?

    by superninja

    That's what I'd be thinking, anyway. Alicia Silverstone is SOOO wrong for Batgirl. She has not once ounce of toughness in her onscreen presence. Batgirl needs to be a spitfire. Chris O'Donnell holds all the wonder of a block of wood for me. I'd like them to start at the beginning, with an actor (preferably unknown) that can mature into the role.

  • June 23, 2000, 5:32 p.m. CST


    by spiderfreddie


  • June 23, 2000, 5:33 p.m. CST


    by spiderfreddie


  • June 23, 2000, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Fangirl casting time...

    by superninja

    Viggo Mortenson as a young Jim Gordon. He's perfect.

  • June 23, 2000, 5:44 p.m. CST


    by spiderfreddie


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    by spiderfreddie


  • June 23, 2000, 6:18 p.m. CST

    year one MIGHT work....

    by shogun' like 10 years time. before you completely reboot a franchise,you need time for the stink to wear off.and Batman and Robin produced a whole lotta stink.people still freshly remember all the bat all of a sudden disregard the movie continuity(and BELIEVE me, i would love to disregard B+R) Would probably baffle and annoy do that, you have to "do a superman" and wait a few years.if warners are in such a hurry to continue the franchise now, the best thing they could do would be to stay in continuity but ship Robin off to college, have batgirl and batdog fall off a truck, lose all the camp elements and multiple villains and get an innovative writer and director to change the style and pace.the film can have year one sensibilities without having to be a "year one" movie per se.

  • June 23, 2000, 6:35 p.m. CST

    It's official...Batman is now owned by AOL!

    by Choda

    Today, the shareholders of AOL and TimeWarner voted for the merger of these two companies. So in a few months from now, all your favorite WB franchises (TV, Music and Film) will be owned by the worst ISP in the country! (btw, they are keeping the name AOL). So look out Batman, Superman, Neo, Bugs, Daffy and the rest. You might have mail!

  • June 23, 2000, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Just a thought...

    by Phantom Cruiser

    I know all the fanboys are jumping up and down with happiness that Frank Miller may be writing the next Batman movie...BUT... didn't he also write "Robocop 2", which sucked big time?

  • June 23, 2000, 7:17 p.m. CST

    AOL-no comment , but Clooney...

    by shogun

    I get the impression WB A are still hedging their bets with him. since B+R he has'nt really put a foot wrong.there's every possibility that he'll be the biggest star in the world. after the likes of OUT OF SIGHT and THREE KINGS, he's already a darling of the critics.all he needs is one mega sized hit to take him to the top of the A-list(which may or may not be the PERFECT STORM).which is why I believe he is still technically under contract for a BAT sequel. WB realise that if he's in the major leagues($25 mil+)come filming time for BAT 5,they'd be extremely foolish to pass him up.especially since they probably would'nt have to pay him the fee he may now command.

  • June 23, 2000, 7:33 p.m. CST

    This SUCKS !!!

    by Blok Narpin

    Its NOT Batman 5?? Ok, I want NOTHING to do with this movie. Yes, Batman 4 SUCKED. I know. I HATED it. That is NO REASON to disregaurd the first 3!!! The next movie should most DEFINATLY be Batman 5. It should be explained very briefly at the film's opening that Dick has moved to Bloodhaven to strike it out on his own and then feature Batman (dark and gritty first two movies Batman, not "Schumacher Batman") going up against one of his deadliest enemies. Scarecrow, Ventriloquist, and Black Mask are three good ones that havent been used yet. It should be one hero Vs. ONE VILLIAN. Just like the first film. I HATE these STUPID studio types that pull this crap. Just because of one bad movie we have to start the franchise over from scratch? No. It doesnt work that way. The Next Batman film SHOULD be Batman 5. Bring Clooney back as Batman. He is a great actor and he was given NOTHING to work with in 4. He deserves another chance. It wasnt his fault that Batman and Robin sucked. That honor is shared by Joel Schumacher and Akiva Goldsman. I also think the next Superman movie SHOULD be Superman 5. Superman I and II are classics. In fact Batman, Batman Returns, Superman: The Movie, and Superman II and STILL the 4 best movies ever made that are based on a comic book. Thse are the films they should be EMULATING, not writing off. Superman I and II make the perfect backstory for a new movie. USE IT!! The same goes for Batmad. These movie producers should rot in hell for this kind of crap.

  • June 23, 2000, 8:01 p.m. CST


    by Horus

    After seeing From Dusk till Dawn, I thought Clooney was a perfect choice for Batman..little did I know!Under Shuemakers control It wouldn't matter who played what..the characters would still end up , being a fucking disgrace!But i still think Clooney could be good,if he had a decent director .In the light of the none too decent box office and somewhat lacklustre , fan and critical reaction to B&R , I can't see him ever getting the chance again.Everyone connected with thatload of shite ,is tainted.The only hope of getting peaple back in the theatres to see a Batman film ,is to start with a clean slate.They should try getting a director like Tony scott involved, he can handle action , and has a decent visual style.For some reason the batman films , bring out the worste in a director.They lead to self indulgence and excess.Its a strange irony that Shuemaker was drafted in to take over from Burton, because the producers thought Shuemaker was going to bring , narrative strengh and a more family friendly, slant to the franchise.What he actually brought to the films was chaos,confusion {what the fuck is going on at the end of Batman forever..? Its as though every other shot of the fight scenes is in the wrong order or missing!}and a truck load of in ya face , homo erotics.Its as though he thought he was being given a fortune to make a superhero version of *Venus rising*I read that Shuemaker has said sorry , for Batman and Robin...And would like one more chance ,to make a great Bat Flick.If hes really sorry , the best thing he can do is keep away from making films altogether.

  • June 23, 2000, 8:01 p.m. CST

    possible suggestions that will never see the light of day

    by NOIR

    Suggested casting that might be cool. Michael Weiss as Batman. John Cleese as Alfred. William H. Macy as Gordon. James Wood as the Scarecrow.William Hurt as the Manbat and a digital Croc. Ah well ,one can dream.

  • June 23, 2000, 8:10 p.m. CST

    more from the belt

    by holidill

    A few notes.. -I liked George Clooney as Bruce Wayne, but his Batman, I need to get more used to. I think he does deserve another chance. -Chris O'Donnell, beleive it or not I like him as Dick Grayson. He can be Nightwing now, on his own and helping when Bruce comes a calling. -Get rid of Alicia Silverstone as Batgirl, revamp the character as she should be, James Gordon's daughter. That means you need a new James Gordon, and as I said before, Bruce Campbell come on down! He may only be known as an actor who seems to be a big clown, but give him a chance, I bet he could be serious if need be. Now all we need is to find a place for the underrated Miguel Ferrer...any thoughts? -I still think the franchise should still be started over, but I can see a continuation as a good thing. But I just want all the horror that the franchise has gone through to just go away! No more dead villains, no more finding out Batman's true identity, parade gorgeous women through to play on Bruce's playboy look, bring in some supporting cast like Bullock, or Lucius FOx, or Montoya, re-vamp the baddies, make one major villain per character, unless you can get a great script together that infuses two of them. -As for the first Batman, yes it was bad, yes it has a ton of plot holes, and yes Batman is a cold-blooded killer. But it was just an experience unlike anything anyone has ever seen.

  • June 23, 2000, 8:35 p.m. CST


    by shogun

    while I'm totally with you on the BATMAN front,I think the SUPERMAN franchise should start's been nearly 15 years. most of the new popcorn munching audience won't have even been alive to watch SUPERMAN 4, much less the other three.why burden them with 20 year old backstory. plus the fact that the characters have moved with the times. LEX LUTHOR is no longer an outlaw criminal genius.he's a "law abiding" megolamaniac billionaire. CLARK KENT is no longer the pretend social outcast/ many ways i think he's supposed to be the sensitive,new age office stud. contiuing from 4 would have been like continuing the Adam west BAT movie into the current BAT franchise( an extreme comparison, i know) plus I think the 4 films should stand alone as a testament to Chis Reeve.he did a standout job and would be a hard act to follow.whoever plays SUPERMAN now, should be free to create their own charcter and not burdened with having to imitate Reeve.

  • June 23, 2000, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Frank Miller? I'll pass, thanks

    by KingKrypton

    I have never, EVER seen what everybody thought was so great abotu Frank Miller's Batman. Writers like Bill Finger, Steve Englehart, Paul Dini, Alan Moore, Len Wein, Gerry Conway, and the early Dennis O'Neil yarns got the character perfectly. They made him moody and mysterious, nut they gave him a humanity and sense of fun that balanced the fundamental darkness of the material. Take for example, the scene in Englehart's story "Deadshot Ricochet" where Batman goads Robin into sparring with him, and they're ribbing each other the whole time and having fun. That scene felt real! Batman came off as a real person in that scene. Yes, he should be a dark and forceful figure, but he shouldn't be so gloomy and dull that he comes off as a total cipher. Let him have his light moments to balance out the darkness. Miller didn't get this. He made Batman a heartless, one-dimensional, masochistic, suicidal psycho who really didn't seem to care about anybody or anything. Even Robin, the protege Batman loves as if he was the kid's father, was turned into just a means to further Batman's ends; a tool to use against crime. I had major problems with Miller's Batman stories (including the Spawn crossover), simply because he took away the character's humanity and made him so morbid that any hope of fun or elan was lost forever. Burton took this even further with his Batman films, making the character a bloodthirsty sadist. (Burton's bad stories, sloppy direction, and phony production values didn't help either.) Schumacher restored the character's humanity, which was a step in the right direction, but he fumbled the ball by trying to out-camp the charming Adam West show (and making his films dull bores). What the Batman films need is a hero who can relax and enjoy the moment when called for and be driven and dead-serious when called for. I don't see Miller accomplishing this. So with all due respect, I'll pass on this film. Give me a Finger Batman or an Englehart Batman any day.

  • June 23, 2000, 9:59 p.m. CST


    by acebandage

    What are you on CRACK! George Clooney SUCKS! He sucked as Batman and everything else he's done since ER. I'd rather see Rosemary Clooney as Batman. (Or maybe she could play Aunt Harriet.)

  • June 23, 2000, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Something to Save the Bat

    by Magnolia2000

    Just a little idea here to save the Batman saga and revive interest in the whole thing for die-hard fans who hate seeing Shumacher cartoon-ize (is that a word?) the whole thing. Read Greg Rucka's novel "Batman: No Man's Land" with the silver screen and mind. Its fucking brilliant!!! Might work perfectly if funding and a good writer could be found. Just a thought...

  • June 23, 2000, 11:01 p.m. CST


    by moto

    Why the hell do you people think he's right for every lead part out there?? Why do you even think he's anything more than a "tongue in cheek" B class bad actor?? Sure, I love the Evil Dead films... they are meant to be tongue in cheek. But give me proof of one project that Bruce has delivered an even semi good performance. He has that CHEESY humor thing down... but how far will that take him?? Not ONE project proves his worth in "big time" quality film. He's nothing but a fan boy's wetdream for almost any project out there... I just don't get it. Then again, he's doing more than I am soooo....

  • June 23, 2000, 11:07 p.m. CST

    acebandage your an asshole ,clooney did not suck,you suck!!!

    by spiderfreddie

    hey! acemoron was it clooney that directed the movie dickhead?!!he did better than all the others considering the crap script he was given,and most people agree he should return to batman,just in a darker tone,so shut it aceass!!!!!

  • June 23, 2000, 11:09 p.m. CST


    by keylight

    I look forward to a F Miller scripted Batman film. However, it should be titled "THE DARK KNIGHT". Completely illiminate "batman" from the title. That way, automatically seperate the new movie from the rest of the series. Didn't Aronofsky direct Pi? Pi was interesting, but I seriously doubt he can helm a film as big as Batman this early in his career. If he does direct, then the studio WILL control him. I would love to see a film version of the Batman graphic novel THE KILLING JOKE. It's a perfect story, and extremely cinematic... or ARKHEM ASYLUM. Let's make a Batman art film instead of an action movie.

  • June 23, 2000, 11:24 p.m. CST

    if it's not BATMAN 5 and it's some start over i'm not seeing tha

    by spiderfreddie


  • June 24, 2000, 12:01 a.m. CST

    One Man's Rant (with the odd point or two included at no extra c

    by JackBurton

    First up on the subject of Frank Miller I've got this to say. Comic book writing and film writing are two *very* different mediums and what works in one won't necessarily work in the other, which is one of the biggest problems with Miller's Robocop scripts. If they had been made as comics they probably would have worked quite well, but in film they just came off as cheesy and stupid, and missed the mark completely. And while I do agree that Miller is a superb comic book writer (Sin City is a fucking masterpiece and no doubt) and while Miller's Dark Knight Returns was a very good book it was by no means the be all and end all of Batman fiction (personally my all time fave Batman story was the brilliant The Killing Joke by Alan Moore), and so I don't think that he should be treated as the bigscreen Bat savior just yet. Also an adaptation of his Dark Knight Returns just wouldn't work on the big screen for any number of reasons (story length and complexity, Batfilm chronology, crossover characters, budget etc. etc.) and would be the wrong move at this point in time for the franchise (fuck I hate that word) to take. I mean at this point in time the only reason the studios would do a (radically cut down version of) Dark Knight Returns is because of the name recognition factor of the book, not because it's the right way to go, and thats a danger best avoided for the next bat film.********************************************************************On the previous Batman films, I've got to say that I personally loved Tim Burton's two Batman films and enjoyed his view of the Bat universe, in fact I love Batman Returns the most of all and I really did feel like this film came closest of all to *my* idea of Batman and Gotham (feel free to flame away all those who can't appreciate anyone having a different opinion than their own), and I think that Batman Returns is the only one of the films to date that hasn't aged badly. As much as i enjoyed Batman it has aged in the years since it's release and the other two were dated almost before they were even released. On the other films, Batman Forever was extremely lacklustre at best, hideously irritating at worst (and Jim Carrey was so fucking wrong for The Riddler in an absolutely horrendous, unrestrained and inherently stupid Joker-esque performance that did the film no favours whatsoever), while Batman And Robin was amazingly even worse, and is frankly nothing more than a steaming pile of shit with nothing of any redeeming value whatsoever to it other than the always welcome Michael Gough as Alfred. That said I still believe that outside of Michael Keaton (who despite being a little quirky as Bruce Wayne is to me the only actor who I've believed as both Wayne and as The Bat, in fact Keaton was the best 'Batman' by far) George Clooney is still a fair choice for Bruce Wayne/Batman, it's just that he didn't have anything whatsoever to play with in Batman And Robin and outside of Michael Gough is the only one involved with the production of that film who wasn't to blame for it's utter and complete failure on every level. Despite blaming himself for the film's failure the truth is it wasn't his fault that he was left in the shadows of Schwarzenegger and the God Awful Uma Thurman, and with the right talent behind the camera this time around I'd personally welcome Clooney's return. The best thing you can say about Batman And Robin is that at least it gave Clooney both the cash and the incentive to only star in good scripts and cool films that he believed in from that point on (Out Of Sight, Three Kings, Fail Safe, the upcoming Brother Where Art Thou and The Perfect Storm and even The Peacemaker, which while not great was a pretty fun and enjoyable action flick). Besides which Clooney was signed onto a two picture Bat deal so if they want him for the next Batman he's there, and after his recent successes and critical acclaim who wouldn't?********************************************************************Batman's biggest problem. Fact is Batman's biggest foe is probably his fans (myself included), and before you go on a flaming frenzy for me saying this please at least hear me out. You see the problem is everyone is a Batman expert with their own distinct preconcieved ideas of just what is and what is not 'true batman', in comics this isn't such a big problem as pretty much all varieties of Bat fans are or have been catered for during one of the characters many distinct eras and incarnations, however on film and especially when making any new Batman film this problem is much more evident as there is no way in Hell that all of these various fans can or will ever be even remotely satisfied. Does that mean that they shouldn't try? No, of course not. What it does mean though is that the film makers should concentrate not on the miriad of different fan advice but instead should set about bringing to life what their interpretation of Batman's mythos should be, and concentrate on making sure that above all else the eventual film doesn't just feature characters, but *has* character and a solid, preferably Batman centred detective story at it's heart. Remember no matter how much we bitch and whine, complain and cajole this won't be our Batman, it'll never be *our* Batman, this will always be someone elses Batman, and the best that we can hope for is that in each of our eyes they get the basic nature of the concept right, and that after that their own spin on it has creedence and for want of a better term, works. We can but hope.********************************************************************Odds and ends. Personally I think the best way to tackle any new Bat film would be to treat the franchise (there's that word again) like the Bond films, and to a certain extent like the comics, with each release treated as an independant story and adventure unless it decides for whatever reason to tie into a previous one, but the general rule of thumb being that the films are all pretty much self contained (with one and two intrinsically linked of course), that way the makers could feel free to use whatever timelines, characters or events that they wanted to without fear of everything having to tie in together. Just a though.********************************************************************Well thats the end of my rant fellow Bat fans, feel free to flame at will or what have you. Is it hot in here or is it just me? Jack Burton.

  • June 24, 2000, 12:11 a.m. CST


    by spiderfreddie

    please,dirkvega,keaton was a freakin wimp in a muscle suit,and was garbage,and tim burton just made it dark and did'nt know a damn thing about BATMAN!!!!!! thhe asshole tim burton,himself even admitted he knew nothing about batman when he was offered the film he just did a edward scissorhands and burtonized it!!!the animated series makes the first two batmans look like shit!!!!!!!!STAY AWAY BURTON!! YOU SLOW PACED BORE!!!!!SLEEPY HOLLOW WAS GOOD,BUT THAT'S NOT BATMAN!

  • June 24, 2000, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Hey, spiderfreddie. . .

    by Cowblaster

    Do you think George Clooney should be in the next Batman film? Anyway, I think Clooney did a descent job, but I'm not gonna rally for him to be in the next one. So what if he's contracted? Val Kilmer was contracted to do 3 Batman movies. And, if Alicia Silverstone goes anywhere near this film, I'll kill myself. She was TERRIBLE in that movie! "Hey, I'm BATGIRL! Look at me! I'm BATGIRL!!! BAT-GIRL!!! Don't you get it? I'm THE Batgirl! Batgirl!"

  • June 24, 2000, 12:34 a.m. CST


    by MADMIKE

    You would think that the morons that be would be smarter than they are. I mean if i was going to spend a fuckin hundred million dollars on a comic movie cuz the character is popular i would have people get me examples of the best stuff the character had to offer for the cast and crew as well so the actors could get a feel for the actual motivations of the characters.They could bring that knowledge to how they approach the script. A few more thoughts, clooney would be an exellent BATMAN if the script was good. But if they write or approach it the way the first 4 films did it will suck. In my opinion the only movie in recent memory that best expressed the world of Batman was SE7EN. Imagine Clooney as Batman and say Ed Harris as Gordan instead of pitt/freemon it would make a great Bat flick The players should all be unknowns or character actors. No big stars unless they were good character actors. example Kevin Bacon.

  • June 24, 2000, 1:29 a.m. CST

    hey spiderfreddie....

    by GiantRobot

    If you feel so strongly about the Batman franchize, then how can you say Dark Knight and Year One suck? Frank Miller redefined what Batman was. You claim to want a darker, grittier Batman, but you should realize it was Miller who concieved the "darker" Batman that we all know and love. And about Keaton as Batman: yes, Keaton is small and wimpy, but that was the point, this supposedly wimpy, pampered millionaire is, in fact, Batman. Okay, end of flaming...just do your homework on Miller before you bash him.

  • June 24, 2000, 3:21 a.m. CST

    The Batman 5 that I want to see

    by Blok Narpin

    Ok. I have already made it clear that I think the next film should NOT start from scratch. That is such a wrong way to go. Why write off two great movies and a fairly decent third one just because number four sucked??? That makes NO sence. A lot of Trek fans hated Trek V: The Final Frontier. Did they start over from scratch?? No. They went on to Trek VI: The undiscovered Country which the fans DID like. The same is true fro Bond. They didnt start from scratch when Licence to Kill bombed. (sure they DID recast Bond but that was nothing new). That being said here is what I would love to see. Batman 5: The Killing Joke. Based on Alan Moore's classic story. It would be dark, gritty, and True to Batman. Bring back Clooney as Batman and Nicholson as Joker. Explain very early on that Dick Grayson has moved to Bloodhaven. Heck, maybe Chris Odonnel could even make a quick cameo where he says goodbye to Bruce and Bruce wishes him luck. As for the Barbara Gordon problem, she doesnt HAVE to be Batgirl. Joker didnt cripple her because she was Batgirl. He crippled her because he was trying to fuck with Gordon's head. Just say Barbara Gordon is an expert with computers. Maybe she could work for the government (this could lead to her being Oracle in future Batman movies). I'd cast an unknown actress as Barbara Gordon and bring back Pat Hingle as James GOrdon. Paul Dini or Bob Gale could write the script. It would be REALLY cool if Burton came back to direct. If not David Fincher, Jonathen Frakes, or Alex Proyas would all be excellent choices. Maybe the character of Harley Quinn could also be in the movie. Drew Barrymore would make a great Harley. In any event that is the film I would love to see. A return to the Dark, brooding, no nonsence Batman we all know and love. We can go back to that tone and style WITHOUT starting from scratch. Clooney would get a second chance to prove that he's a good Batman. We'd get Nicholson back as everyone's favorite villian. It would set the tone for future sequels. All would be well with the world again. By the way, I LOve dark Knight Returns and Year One but I dont think they would translate to the screen well. Frank Miller should NOT write a Batman screenplay. He's a great comics writer but MAN did you see Robocop 2 and 3??

  • June 24, 2000, 3:35 a.m. CST

    if you ask me(and of course you didnt)

    by freebird7

    Clooney as Batman bores me.Sure,Keaton did a good job(with Burtons direction)and the poor guy needs a job.(hes one flop away from a sitcom)I think the perfect Batman is someone who was rumored for Robin a few years ago-Johnny Depp...

  • June 24, 2000, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Hmmm ... Nic Cage in a Superman movie wouldn't --

    by floob

    have been called "Superman 5", we fans would've called it "A Steaming Bucket of Mr. I'm-Fit-For-All-Roles Cage". So, a new, dark, gritty Batman is being planned? Fine. BUT, we'll have to worry about parental groups with misguided intentions griping about that dark grittiness, then the studio suits will appease them by hiring another "campy-as-a-$3-bill" director to wreck Batman with MORE nippled costumes and one-liner-spouting villains. Yep, I can see it now: Batman and Robin as, ahem, "domestic partners" picking out new livingroom furniture -- then they see the Bat-Signal, and not only are the silhouetted against that signal's blinding light, they're HOLDING HANDS & JOYFULLY SKIPPING toward the camera! Well ... maybe they'll balance it out and cast Dennis Franz as Commissioner Gordon; he'll questioningly watch this "domestic partnership" and growl "There's nuthin' AMBIGUOUS about that duo! They're sure-as-hell BLATANT!!!"

  • June 24, 2000, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Sam J. Jones for Batman!

    by mephisto666

    Just kidding!

  • June 24, 2000, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Lyle Lovette as the Joker!!!!!! Lyle Lovette as the Joker!!!!!!!

    by Mr.Morris Mayhem

    Come people you know it to be true.He would be great for Joker in a Killing Joke film, just great, if he could act that is. As far as TDKR, it's needs to be done right. I mean straight down to the T. However, I'm really not looking forward to seeing the end of Batman's career on screen. I'd rather see a Batman 5 myself with Scarecrow as the villain. It would need a good script, good diolouge, and better acting of course. I could give Clooney another chance. He's not small. He's 5'11" and probably about 170 lbs. The animated and comic Batman is 6'2" and 210 lbs. The movies have always leaned more toward the idea of an average size man putting on the suit and fighting crime. I find that to be sort of cool in a way. I mean if they had a guy who was 5'6", 125 lbs., yeah I'd say we have a problem, but 5'10",5'11",6'0" that is more than do able in my opinion. I mean I don't know why people would want to give up on the current franchise when all it needs is just to be improved. Every franchise will have more than one failure for a movie. Here's what I'd wanna see. Clooney would be back as Batman, but under the same outfit Michael Keaton wore. Michael Gough as Alfred (the guy has given the role so much). I would have Scarecrow as the only bad guy. No love interest shit. The same Batmobile from the first two films and Onstar commercials. As far as Robin/Nightwing goes, maybe but I would not have him show up until the end to help out or something. In the current film series they put too much emphasis on to the villains, and not enough on Batman. In this type of Batman film, it would be nice to get to know the onscreen Batman alittle better. I would have Scarecrow just totally terrorize the Dark Knight. Then Batman must find help through himself, Alfred, and maybe Dick to over come it and save Gotham from the Scarecrow. In current Batman films we have come to like the villains. I wanna see something where the villain is so sick, twisted, and evil that you just wanna see Batman kick this guy's ass. Scarecrow with his sick mind would be a great villain for these films. He and Joker are two villains who are just really fucked up in the head.

  • June 24, 2000, 8:32 a.m. CST

    batman 5

    by ProfessorLoomis

    Nonsense. They should simply start over. I get irritated when people say "Oh, keaton was such a great batman! Who'da thought it?!" He was suprisingly good, but compared to what? What if like, someone who actually resembled batman had played him, an unknown with alot of talent.. i mean.. i hate the idea that batman started fighting crime at 39 years old, and despite all his training, is a thin, wimpy looking balding guy.... that doesnt make sense.. someone who's trained for years and years, in martial arts, weight lifting and whatnot(go read war on crime, or year 1, or DKRs), would be in fantastic shape.. not a 110 pound weirdo who hangs upside down for no obvious reason.. It also pisses me off when they say making the joker kill batmans parents in the first movie made perfect sense. Why? The thing about batman is.. he doesnt know who killed his parents. It doesnt matter who did it.. any criminal he hunts down and subdues could have done it. thats what drives him, he doesnt want anyone else to have to go through the agony that he did. And introducing a love intrest in the movie always pisses me off. batman, in the comics at least, doesnt have time to worry about a relationship with some girl. his job is fighting crime. Also, commissioner gordon and batman are supposed to be near best friends.. in the movies, gordon was a bit player.. a tired fat old man who didn't appear to know what the hell he was doing. And robin, why the hell was robin like, 25 years old in batman forever? robin should be like, 13 when he first starts out.. Aside from the fact that chris odonnel cant act his way out of a paper sack, he's nearly old enough to be BATMAN.. (god forbid) and i will personally pee on whoever suggests he should become nightwing in the next movie. And whys alfred 79 years old? In the comic he's in his 50's.. And why the fuck did they decide to make the batmobile look like a roach? a common thug could toss a beer can into the thing and it'd explode.. Why the FUCK did they kill the joker? Gothams most notorious villain died a scant coupla days after he appeared.. criminy.. Also, why's batman gotta wear all that shitty molded rubber? he cant hardly move in that crap (and i know micheal keaton said he couldn't hear a damn thing in that mask) whats wrong with grey and black materials? if you want him to look muscular.. heres an idea.. HIRE A MUSCULAR actor.. don't get a fuckin wimpy bastard like keaton to be batman. Val kilmer was a terrible batman, him and his lisp. his scenes were dull, he cant act any better than harrison ford does. he comes across as a smug fuck. (i heard he pissed on the set of dr. moreau) George Clooney as batman? number 1, hes too old, number 2, he's too little, number 3, i don't picture batman talking like he does, or smirking all the damn time.. Alicia silverstone as batgirl (which was NOT gordons daughter) hurt my brain. that fat bitch cant act either. Shes an ugly talentless bitch. Jim Carrey was NOT the riddler. he was jim carrey. thats kind of what he does. plays himself (like robin williams and harrison ford) Tommy lee jones was about 25 years too old to be harvey dent. Plus i guess they just completely overlooked the fact that bruce and harvey are supposed to be close friends. Oh, and they killed him too. brilliant, that. Why do people keep suggesting that clown from "Angel" to be batman? he's a latino bigforeheaded prep.. not batman.. and ben affleck is a dipshit, mat damon'd be better as that monkey from superfriends. Like i said, they oughta just start over fresh. And i say any WB suits have a problem with a script by frank miller, tell them to go fuck themselves. the man knows what the hell hes doing.

  • June 24, 2000, 10:35 a.m. CST

    The final piece of the puzzle......Fincher.

    by NewWorldSamurai

    If you have a Batman movie that's written by Miller, then there's only one person who could handle the dark visual style, and that's David Fincher. This has been a public service annoucement from the New World Samurai.

  • June 24, 2000, 12:23 p.m. CST

    ritalin for all...

    by shropshirslasher

    See, everyone is up in arms about the whole bat franchise and what it should be, when the fact of the matter is there IS no bat franchise. it's gone, kaput, guano. the 4th movie screwed the whole flow up. no one was more dissapointed than i was. but you can't start from scratch, and there's not much else to stand on. whats left after the batman forever credit card? what's left after you kill off or completely waste villain after villain. the thought of a bane movie twinkles in my good eye, but it will never happen. everyone wants to turn back time and have a hand on the creative wheel before the third movie came out. it's not gonna happen. what's done is done. let it go.

  • June 24, 2000, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Moto you are SO right! FINALLY someone else gets it!!

    by Wolvie6

    Moto you are on the money about Bruce Campbell. He is suited only for smartass roles in B movies. Sorry but I thought Evil Dead1,2 and Army of Darkness were pieces of shit. They were not funny or remotely good. The first Evil Dead was just a boring film with a loud noise thru most of it. Looked like some idiot in the woods with a cheap camera makin a flick. I am a HUGE fan of horror movies and can not for the life of me understand why these are so beloved. The Universal monster movies and (My all time fav...) Night of the Living Dead are true classics! The Nightmare on Elm Street movies were campy and funny but still halfway decent. I am so worried Sam Ramii is gonna fuck up Spidey too! I hope he knows what hes doing. Just keep Campbell out of it! All you Campbell fans are just gonna have a fit aren't you when you see your beloved star is NOT in Spidey! Get over it! He SUCKS! Move the hell on jerkies! That goes for you too NUXX!

  • June 24, 2000, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Hey, Spiderfreddie...

    by acebandage

    Thanks for the flame. I really enjoyed it. Next time, though, if you are going to attack my user ID, try something a little more scathing and witty. How about Acehole? Or maybe Assbandit? You can use those. They are my gift to you. Enjoy!

  • June 24, 2000, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Professorloomis couldnt be more wrong

    by Blok Narpin

    Sorry, you cant start from scratch. It just doesnt work that way. Batman 5 has to be Batman 5. Batman 5, being the film that chronologically takes place after the events in Batman 4 (aka Batman and Robin). Batman and Robin SUCKED. I personally think it was THE worst movie ever made. (Sorry Plan Nine fans. At least Plan Nine had cheesy charm. Batman & Robin has NOTHING going for it). It is SOOOO easy to dismiss that movie. You open Batman 5 with CLooney helping Chris Odonnel pack his stuff. Dick says he's moving to Bloodhaven to strike it on his own. Bruce wishes him luck. Add a throwaway line where they mention that Barbara Wilson went off to college. Do this in the films foirst 10 minutes. Then your Back to basics. Batman and Alfred. Bring in *ONE* well written villian. I recomend they get Nicholson back as Joker. Harley Quinn is also exceptable if she is the Joker's SIDEKICK and doesnt hog up too much screen time. Sort of like Miss Tessmacher in SUperman I and II. The basics should be Batman Vs. Joker. Get a well written script by Paul Dini and a talent diector (I recomend David Fincher, Jonathen Frakes, and Alex Proyas. All have shown they can make a dark, stylish movie). I say base it on ALan Moore's Killing Joke (the story where Joker shoots Barbara Gordon throgh the spine and cripples her). This will FINALLY give Pat Hingle a chance to flesh out the James Gordon character. Add a talented unknown actress as Barbara and you can set the stage for Oracle's appearance in future movies.It can be done and can be done WELL if they put in even a minimal effort. They DIDNT on 4, and that was the problem. By the way, Batman DOES know who killed his parents. It was Joe Chill. The Same goes for Superman. Why start from Scratch? Superman I provided the PERFECT backstory on which to base a series of movies. In fact Superman I and II are STILL to this day the best comic movies ever made. Use Kevin SMith's script. It was REALLY good. Just lose that dumb part with the polar bears that Jon Peters made him throw in. Get Hackman back as Luthor. He was SOOOO good in that role! WHY would anyone even CONCIDER recasting?? Just add a throw away line where Luthor mentions that he got out of prison after the events in Superman 4 and went straight (or so he CLAIMS) and founded Lexcorp. There is simply NO REASON the start from scratch on either franchise. It's a cop out.

  • June 24, 2000, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Batman vs. Spider-Man

    by XeroDragon

    I think that the Batman character and the Spider-Man character are very similar, in terms of origin. Both lost someone they loved and, thus, both were driven to correct that by saving everyone they possibly could (don't worry, it doesn't make sense in the real world). The main difference is that Peter Parker recovered from that initial slap in the face. Immediately after he found out Uncle Ben was killed, the Spider-Man and the Batman were the same character. The difference came when Spidey caught the guy. When he caught him, Peter learned a lesson (everybody knows the damn words so I won't repeat them) and he moved on. Batman never moved on. The initial shock of his parents dying never wore off because it was never resolved. That's why the "Joker as killer" thing in Bat 1 shouldn't be plausible. If Bruce kills the Joker, he is no longer Batman, he's Spider-Man, because he caught his "villain". Spider-Man fights bad guys because he feels responsible. Batman fights bad guys because he sees his parents' killer in everyone of them. Or the potential. That's why I don't like how the books sometimes say "Gotham City is Batman's" or some crap like that. His parents could've been shot in New York, L.A., or friggin Boise, Idaho, it doesn't matter. Batman is no longer the product of his environment. That stopped being the case when his parents died. He no longer changes, and that's what we admire about him. He doesn't flex with the times (like the Superman/Magog thing in KC). He will always do things his way until the day he can no longer function as a human being. If they want to keep with Batman 5 (which I doubt), they need to show why Spider-Man (more than once described as the "Everyman") can't just wear the Batman suit and expect to be Batman. I'm not necessarily suggesting the Azrael storyline (because that took it to the other extreme), but I think maybe something akin to "Prodigal Son", to show why Batman is Batman. But again we run up against that problem. The audience doesn't know who Batman is really, so putting another guy in the suit might not do anything and confuse the hell out of Roger Ebert (you know he'll be complaining about it). That's why I think a complete reboot is still best. This was a little long so thanks for reading (and whoever the hell has the Spider-Man license better pay attention too, lest we see a "Batman-ish" character try to pass it as Spider-Man in the movie). Peace. -- The Dragon

  • You wanted a fight? Well, allow me to just give my opinion... You are WRONG. Okay, now I'm fighting. Who you are talking about are the EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS! Sure, the actual PRODUCER does deal with the money situation as well... but most producers ARE involved in the creative process... BIG TIME! You took a film class... great. But no matter how many film classes you take, it doesn't mean shit when you come to Hollywood. Ask anyone out here... it sucks, but it's true. The only good thing film school gives you is MINIMAL experience in editing, camera work (the basics), and acting basics. That's it. When you come out here they don't care where you've been. They want people that have true experience... OR true vision... and that vision cannot be taught. Anyway, I'm not trying to rip on you at all. I'm just trying to prove a point. The exec producers are almost always the fuckers that screw shit up. Yet even sometimes those exec producers have something to do with the CREATIVE SIDE as well. Look at Spielberg who has won awards for being either a PRODUCER or EXEC. PRODUCER... and he contributed to those films big time... read one of the books about him and you'll learn. The PRODUCERS are usually the ones who secure the deal for the script, find the talent, find the director, etc. They are the starting point. They are the people that start the whole process. They usually find a script that they love and do what they can to get it made. They'll contribute to a set design, a story point, the look of the film, the sound of the film, etc. The tricky thing is... this always isn't so. It's different with any film out there. Some producers don't do shit, they leave it to the director... it's different for almost any situation. I can name names endlessly who are producers that have a BIG part in the look, feel, and sound of a film... creatively. People like GEORGE LUCAS, STEVEN SPIELBERG (i studdered), RON HOWARD, TOM CRUISE, MICHAEL DOUGLAS, DANNY DE VITO, JOEL SILVER, FRANSIS FORD COPPOLA, etc. Way too many to list... and I know I missed all of the better ones. So, your statement about producers really isn't true. Anyway, if you disagree... fine. I could say I've done this and that in Hollywood, but people here will eat me alive... so I'll say this in the words of Arnold and Harrison Ford, "Trust me."

  • June 24, 2000, 9:06 p.m. CST


    by moto

    I forgot, without producers... there would be no films.

  • June 24, 2000, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Miller (or another comics writer) is fine, but Alex Proyas shoul

    by Daredevil

    Pretty much anyone who understands the character could write this. It could be someone like Frank Miller or Chuck Dixon who actually have written Batman comics, to an established Hollywood writer who is just a Batman fan. Like Kevin Smith writing Superman. He's a comics geek who knows how to write a movie. Get someone like that. To me, it's mainly a few points that they have to get right to have a good Batman movie: 1. Any reference to the 60s series should be tossed out now! No neon lighting, not all the villains need to be goofy, and the homoerotic batsuits need to stop (remember the first movie? It actually kind of looked like a Batman costume!) 2. Don't use more than one villain in the movie unless it's a sidekick Harley Quinn would be fine with the Joker, but we don't need 2 or 3 villain introductions and a scheme to get them working together. It just bogs down lots of story time. 3. Don't kill off the villain unless it's necessary! Killing the Joker in Dark Knight Returns is fine. Killing off Two-Face without ever putting him to good use in a movie (or even getting his character right!) 4. Get someone who knows how to do noir to direct. Tim Burton wasn't bad, but he's a little twisted too. Gotham's supposed to seem like it could exist in the real world ad Burton went a little overboard on making it look dark. Like someone else mentioned, Alex Proyas who directed Dark City would be perfect. A retro almost 40s-50s feel wouldn't even be bad. It has worked fine in the Animated Series where cars looked like 40s Buicks, TVs are black and white, and radios look old, but they still have current technology like computers and the Batmobile.

  • June 25, 2000, 12:02 a.m. CST

    professor loomiss dumbass!!george clooney's not too little moron

    by spiderfreddie

    dumbass!! i should know i'm six feet and i met him and he's taller than me!!!!! please talk when you know what the hell you're saying moron!!!!!!!!!

  • June 25, 2000, 3:13 a.m. CST


    by freebird7

    I get angry when people suggest Fincher or Ridley Scott to direct a movie.Have you forgotten that Fincher got the ball rolling in stopping the Alien franchise.Not only that by killing the little girl(that Weaver spent the whole previous film trying to save)he messed up the second.As for Scott(at least you didnt suggest brother Tony the total hack)yes,he has made some great films but for every good movie hes made he makes 2 truly bad ones.I say stick with Burton...By the way,does anybody know what happened to the director of Basketcase???

  • June 25, 2000, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Who cares who directs it anyway

    by Blair_jedi

    I could care less if Spike Lee directed it (I can see it now: Batman 5 Chillin' in the hood) because it's either gonna be another stinker or a redemption for the whole series. 2,3, and 4 all blew ass pretty much with the exception of a select few moments and I find it hard to get excited over a fifth movie. Let's face the facts here this series is tired and with all the different actors playing the Dark Knight it's worn out and lacks any cohesive storyline for us to follow. Myself I am a casual fan (at best) of the comic series. I think if they do end up making a fifth Batman good ol' Bruce should meet his maker, but make it a worthwhile death. Maybe he could die saving somebody or helping a cause. Otherwise we'd have to wait for.... Batman 6.

  • June 25, 2000, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Best Batman

    by DeSandman

    I only liked the first two Batman movies. Batman Forever was okay, but I liked the way the first two were made. They should really bring back Tim Burton. As for who should play Batman (Someone from past or new person) I think Michael Keaton should get another shot at it (Even though he doesn't look much like the Bruce Wayne most people imagine).

  • June 25, 2000, 2:53 p.m. CST

    I hope Aronofsky has read Arkham Asylum!

    by Brundlefly

    The Batman series has pretty much shot it's marketing load.Aronofsky on the other hand is a talented young director - he could bring something truly great to this. As for Frank Miller - although his contribution to Batman's longevity in comics has been enormous, he is yet to show me that he's a good screenwriter(think 'Robocop 3'). One of the best Batman stories is Alan Moore's Arkham Asylum - if Aronofsky has something in this vein( darker, grittier, more violent)planned for the film - it could finally be the one first truly great comic adaption's, there have been very fucking few.

  • June 25, 2000, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Grant Morrison wrote Arkham Asylum

    by holidill

    Sorry, but it's the truth, Alan Moore only wrote The Killing Joke. Yes, I am a comic book geek. I'm also surprised no one said anything about my suggestion for Commissioner Gordon, Bruce Campbell.

  • June 25, 2000, 7:43 p.m. CST

    The last 2 movies were horrible because of Joel Shumacher

    by Anonymous T Fan

    My fav is Batman (1989). My opinion is that the storyline for "Batman Forever" and "Batman and Robin" could have made damn good movies.....IF TIM BURTON had done it. Joel Shumacher knows nothing of continuity. If he had, then there wouldn't be 1960's cars everywhere instead of normal ones that were in the first 2 films, and Bruce wayne would not have blonde hair in the third installment! Also, Harvey Dent would'nt be black at first(Batman; Billy Dee Williams), then mysteriously change into a white man!!!(Batman Forever; Tommy Lee Jones) Everything beyond "Batman Returns" is garbage. I did however like the new batmobiles, new batsuits and equipment and Jim Carrey as the Riddler. But still, Joel Shumacher should apologize to America and exit the franchise. BRING BACK KEATON AND BURTON and start where you left off!! That way there can be REMAKES of the past 2 films and we can forget all about those blunders!

  • June 25, 2000, 7:49 p.m. CST

    The first two were the best Batman Movies

    by Anonymous T Fan

    My fav is Batman (1989). My opinion is that the storyline for "Batman Forever" and "Batman and Robin" could have made damn good movies.....IF TIM BURTON had done it. Joel Shumacher knows nothing of continuity. If he had, then there wouldn't be 1960's cars everywhere instead of normal ones that were in the first 2 films, and Bruce wayne would not have blonde hair in the third installment! Also, Harvey Dent would'nt be black at first(Batman; Billy Dee Williams), then mysteriously change into a white man!!!(Batman Forever; Tommy Lee Jones) Everything beyond "Batman Returns" is garbage. I did however like the new batmobiles, new batsuits and equipment and Jim Carrey as the Riddler. But still, Joel Shumacher should apologize to America and exit the franchise. BRING BACK KEATON AND BURTON and start where you left off!! That way there can be REMAKES of the past 2 films and we can forget all about those blunders!

  • June 25, 2000, 8:08 p.m. CST

    fuck all that frank milller bullshit!!! bring clooney back!

    by spiderfreddie

    and make it kick ass, dark!!!!!!!!!

  • June 25, 2000, 8:57 p.m. CST

    which people are going to be "considered" for cast..

    by X_Time

    As: Batman Robin Batgirl ?? And why don't they bring back Cat Woman?? She still has 5 lives as I recall.

  • June 25, 2000, 10:14 p.m. CST

    The last 2 films sucked!!!

    by Anonymous T Fan

    My fav is Batman (1989). My opinion is that the storyline for "Batman Forever" and "Batman and Robin" could have made damn good movies.....IF TIM BURTON had done it. Joel Shumacher knows nothing of continuity. If he had, then there wouldn't be 1960's cars everywhere instead of normal ones that were in the first 2 films, and Bruce wayne would not have blonde hair in the third installment! Also, Harvey Dent would'nt be black at first(Batman; Billy Dee Williams), then mysteriously change into a white man!!!(Batman Forever; Tommy Lee Jones) Everything beyond "Batman Returns" is garbage. I did however like the new batmobiles, new batsuits and equipment and Jim Carrey as the Riddler. But still, Joel Shumacher should apologize to America and exit the franchise. BRING BACK KEATON AND BURTON and start where you left off!! That way there can be REMAKES of the past 2 films and we can forget all about those blunders!

  • June 25, 2000, 10:51 p.m. CST


    by galvatrion

    ...THEN I'LL BE REALLY REALLY TEMPTED TO WRITE ANOTHER RESPONSE IN ALL CAPS YOU FLIPPING FAG! sorry, I just had to get that out of my system. C'mon, cloony is way to perry plastic hollywood to be batman. MABY IT WAS shumakers fault, he did well in 'from dusk till dawn', but it reminds me to much of the atrocities that B+R presented me. I'm sure that it's been said numerous times by numerous people, but this is the way that things must be in order to keep this next film from sucking, but wont happen: Bruce Campbell as bat man. I know some people think he's only good for evil dead, but for gods sake, he IS an actor, meaning he gets paid to play different people all the time. The movie should be addapted from Frank Miller's DARK KNIGHT RETURNS. Robocop 3 sucked. ROBO COP 2 WAS THE ABSOLUTE BEST ROBO COP MOVIE.Paul Dini should not have anything to do with this movie, because the cartoon was WAY to liberal with batman. Bat man is vindictive. Not compassionate for the evil he is trying to stop.KEEP BATMAN AS HE WAS INTENDED TO BE. Get that poyas guy to direct. He is a far better choice than burton, also, I know I may get beat over the head about this, but i think raimi is an excellent choice to direct as well (just look at 'dark man'). What ever the execs are going to do with this movie, it's going to piss sombody off, so if youre going to do it, do it right.Im not wearing any pants. thank you.

  • June 25, 2000, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Clooney Will Never Come Back

    by Cowblaster

    Sorry to burst your bubble, spiderfreddie, but George Clooney would NEVER go back to doing Batman. Why? Because the poor guy blames himself for Batman & Robin's failure. Besides, I doubt Warner Bros. will give him another chance anyway. There's too much at stake already in trying to get this franchise back on its feet, they won't risk it.

  • June 26, 2000, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Miller on Batman

    by nofate

    Ugh Miller writing a movie? Robocop 2 anyone? While Robocop 2 had its moments the bad crushes the good. Maybe Miller will redeem himself and deliver a kick ass Batman flick or it might just be Batman 5

  • June 26, 2000, 1:36 a.m. CST

    Batman Forever or maybe just a couple of years


    Batman for the most part was the movie that made me a comic book fame, (shit i was 5 when it came out) but now after that large piece of shit we called Batman & Robin what are we to do, we A)star over B)delete the last movie (most unlikely) or C)move on. Personally ive thought of all these. If we start over I want a totally new story not an already out there comic (year one, dark knight returns, etc.) i mean i was a huge fan of them all but we all now they could never really be fullfill in a 2 hour movie. now if we go on we still have scare crow and zarsz but come one we all still want the Joker, we all know that the Joker was the BAD ASS of the Batman world. I would personally like to see him played by Jason Lee (brodie of mallrats, Azrael of Dogma) play cuz look at him he got that big ass grin and the point nose HES PERFECT!!! Also another thing is George Clooney, the problem with him is he just look like he was just about ready to say a punchline to a joke. Also what the FUCK was with the Batgirl it was just messed up. I say barbra goes away and to keep movement make o donald Nightwing and bring in a new YOUNG!!! Robin. Ive also personally always wanted gordan to be played by Samuel Elliot (of road house or western movie fame) i mean he look the part PERFECT!!! Oh and about the Batman casting thing i thought keaton was ok kilmer was borderline and clooney was so close yet so far. Oh and about the Bruce Campbell thing i have to say ive been a fan for a while but i could never see him as Batman or a gordon. he would make a better Nick Fury but thats a different world. Also i want my Catwoman back *sniffel, I miss her.

  • June 26, 2000, 6:14 p.m. CST

    fuck you galvahomo! and clooney will come back if it's a good s

    by spiderfreddie

    so if it's a sequel you can gaurantee he'll be back dickhead!!!!!!!!