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Effects test shots from last Thurs and Fri for.... SPIDER-MAN

Published at: June 13, 2000, 11:11 p.m. CST by staff

Hey folks, Harry here with some interesting developments on SPIDER-MAN. But first a word on this spy. This spy has been with me since late 1996 and has had to go under numerous names, but he is always dead on. And... as luck would have it, for this film.... heh... He'll be our... FLY ON THE WALL. As for the scoop... this is just your standard second unit effects stuff. As always ya kinda wished it was a bit more descriptive. But one thing I've heard that is about the costume, is that if they go with the Alex Ross designs... Spidey's eyeplates will be Black... not white. The word from those that have seen them is that your instant response upon seeing them is... That's Spider-Man.... Just like his slight changes to Batman and Superman and... well... just about everyone else... Here, I hear he's making ever so slight changes, but keeping the essence of the costume and character. We'll see if Raimi likes them.... no word on that side of things yet....

As you know, many effects facilities like to get well ahead of the game with heavy effects filled movies. well, pre-production test plates are being shot for Spider-man. Last Thursday & Friday in Stage 12 on the Sony Lot... green screen test plates of Spidey were being shot. Most likely for Imageworks. I didn't see Sam around but I did see Dykstra. Here's a brief run-down of what was shot.

PT01 - 2 Story wall (most likely for CG extensions)
PT02 - 4 Story wall (more CG extensions)
PT03 - Spidey on ledge (most likely for CG extensions)
PT04 - Spidey on ledge (more CG extensions)
PT05 - Lion's Head (?)
PT06 - CU of hand on ledge (more CG extensions)
PT06A - Hand shooting web and holding it
PT09A - Flying rig/green screen (most likely for web-swinging)

With principle photography to start Dec. 4, this is an early look at what Sam and Co. are going for as far as look. coolness.

thought i'd just share some cool news.

anonymously...

The Fly On The Wall

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  • June 13, 2000, 11:20 p.m. CST

    okaaaaayyy, but

    by oneragga

    Then he must be going for the original Spider suit look, which was red and BLACK. Everybody remember that back in the day, comic book characters had blue-black coler representing dark/black hair. Spidey's costume is red and black, at least in the first Amazing stories appearance and the first few issuse of his own mag. Somewhere along the line, it developed into a richer blue, and folks just kinda accepted it...but it started out red n black. Check it out...

  • June 13, 2000, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Cool

    by JediGoblin

    I can't wait for this flick, Spidey has always been my fav. Hope they don't screw it up. But I love Sam so...

  • June 13, 2000, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Spider Man, Spider Man....

    by Bizotch

    Does whatever a Spider can! Can't wait till this starts. Hope they don't screw it up. Hopefully no Spider nipples!

  • June 13, 2000, 11:48 p.m. CST

    I'll say it before everyone starts bitchin about it: Costume cha

    by Tall_Boy

    Seriously. I think the prime best example of this would be Tim Burton's "Batman" design, that retained the classic look of the character but added some new looking twists to make it funky. Also, even though the flick isn't out yet, I like the black outfits for the upcomming X-Men movie. So, Spidey-classic design with Black eyes, the idea may seem a bit. . .odd at first, but I'm sure that in the context of the flick and how Raimi shoots it (we know he can do some seriously cool shit with the camera) it would work out. PS- SUE ME, BUT I LIKED JAMES CAMERON'S SPIDER-MAN SCRIPTMENT, OK?! (aside from the crappy scene on the bridge) And I could live with Organic-Web shooters. . .seem kinda funky, actually. . .

  • June 13, 2000, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Ok...interesting scoop...I guess.

    by Acid_Rain327

    Anyway...we all know, deep down...they're gonna change the costume. It's coming, and we all know it. For better or for worse, it's gonna be changed, and the second a picture hits the net, there'll be a million talkbacks talking about either how "goddamn sucky" it is, or how "good and logical" they changes are. Black eye ports are only the beginning, I guarantee it. We all love this character, and there's no way they can make all of us happy, so let's wait for the film with open minds, see it with open minds, and discuss it with open minds. That way, everyone will have an equal opportunity to see this film and like it, and Harry/Father Geek won't have to become "delete-posts-happy" once the teaser trailer appears... =p

  • June 14, 2000, 12:45 a.m. CST

    And we'll get dorks like Stormbringer...

    by KaijuKiller

    who will dis fans of Spiderman and act like a complete smack, the type of person who would make Superman a drunk who's leaving Las Vegas and can be stopped by a pair of nail clippers, and all he can say is change is good because he who doesn't care for tradition, but at the same probably would bitch at Lucas for making changes in the SW universe that contradicted his view of what makes Star Wars Star Wars. Very tiring. Yawn.

  • You didn't even give we comic purists a chance to say our piece, you preemptive strike bastards! Anyway, I'm a purist, but I'm open-minded. Spider-Man happens to have one of the best costume designs there is, so yeah, I think they should follow the comic. But I'll accept some changes of style, 'long as they don't go apeshit and use that black costume or something.

  • June 14, 2000, 1:17 a.m. CST

    YAAAAWWWWNNN...

    by knox21

    ...is this what qualifies as "cool news" anymore? This doesn't even fall into the "interesting tid-bit" category. What's next, Alex Ross had a cheese sandwich for lunch and Sam Raimi took a dump? COOL!

  • June 14, 2000, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Good one Stormbringer...

    by KaijuKiller

    And obviously you don't understand either that was a tirade against your instant assumption that because someone doesn't want the costume changed doesn't make that person close minded. Statements like yours make you a kneejerk reactionary as well. And for the record I don't mind some changes just nothing drastic.

  • June 14, 2000, 1:53 a.m. CST

    A two-story wall?!?! Oh my god, I was hoping this movie wouldn't

    by DarthJoe

  • June 14, 2000, 3:13 a.m. CST

    One vote for keeping it classic!

    by peplovian

    I'm going to have to weigh in as in the "against messing with the costume" camp on this issue. It is frustrating to me that hollywood seems to feel the need to put its own stamp on every franchise it gets its hands on (sweeping generalization, yes). But this is the movie many of us have REALLY wanted to see ever since good Mr. Hammond's go at the role. Who hasn't asked themselves, OK the phantom gets his own film, darkman does, why not a character that is infinitely cooler than both? Technically spidey's trim may have been black in the first few issues of the franchise, but with the exception of the "all-black period", it's always been that deep blue thereafter and this is the classic version of the character. Black eye-plates? Nope, sorry. (As long as I'm on a purist tangent, let's hope they don't make they eye-plates ridiculously over-sized either. What would be ideal IMO is your classic Romita Sr. treatment of the costume). I'm pretty sure we won't see latex cod-piece redux with this film, but I am not at all confident that there won't be other regrettable changes to what is absolutely one of the most classic costumes going (as if the organic web-shooters thing weren't bad enough). I wonder if that isn't being considered soley for the comic value of his waking up the morning after being bitten to discover "something strange and sticky in my sheets".

  • June 14, 2000, 3:29 a.m. CST

    I agree, Siskel.

    by Acid_Rain327

    As I said above, this film should be viewed with open eyes, changes and all; however, too much change (particularly to Spidey's costume) is not a good thing. Whereas with the X-Men, their costumes were changed to fit a more practical/realistic purpose. Cyclops with all the little buckles, Wolverine's mask, were all omitted to give a real-world, accessible, and practical feel. Spider-Man's costume, on the otherhand, is already absolutely practical as it is. It's a spandex-like material to allow his wild, acrobatic movement, his belt holds only basic needs, such as webbing cartridges - he's not a weapon or gadget-dependant superhero - he relies on his ablilities and sense. **Next, the costume is basically an apendage of Peter Parker; it's used to convey emotion, etc. Now, of course, this can't be moved over to film as it wouldn't translate, but you all see what I'm saying: The costume is a part of Spider-Man, maybe more than any other superhero, and has to LOOK and FEEL that way. Just my two cents.

  • June 14, 2000, 3:36 a.m. CST

    my insignificant thoughts on the eyes...

    by elrobbo

    I think Spider-Man's eyes would be best done with computer graphics. You know how in the comics, they are often drawn larger, or smaller, or squinting, to help better convey his facial expressions. Sure, it isn't as realistic, but neither is a guy with spider powers. Plus, it'd look pretty cool.

  • June 14, 2000, 4:18 a.m. CST

    CGI eyes? Noooooooo!

    by Dave_F

    Gotta disagree with you there, SonofJorel. I think the artistic license with the eyes works *only* on paper. Do it in live-action and folks will be laughing and thinking the costume is organic like that annoying all-black one. It could be done in animation...maybe. Batman's eyes on the animated series were animated to be very expressive (too much so at times, especially the early seasons). But in live-action...I just know they'd animate those sad eyes that Spidey gets on occasion, and I'd be forced to cringe.

  • June 14, 2000, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Oops.

    by Dave_F

    Not only is my comment about the eyes out of order, but I addressed it to the wrong dude (SonofJorel instead of Elrobbo). That's what happens when you're looking at two stories at the same time. As for being out of order...dammit Harry, will you EVER fix that permanently?

  • June 14, 2000, 4:30 a.m. CST

    Costumes....what else

    by Meat Takeshi

    Yeah i want to see Spiderman in a one piece, baggy round the crotch, navy blue and red costume, with big assed half ping pong balls stuck to his head for eyes.

  • June 14, 2000, 5:07 a.m. CST

    The Windows of the soul..

    by KP

    ...so they say, so I can see the movie makers need to try and keep the eye visable in that sense.But the artists knew that too and would always treat Spidey like an animator would....If Disney and the anime greats knew the shape of the eye conveyed as much emotion as any other part of the face the guys back when sure knew it too.You only have to look at the work of Ditko, Romita sr, Buscema, Andru, Bagley, Romita jnr, Byrne, and Macfarlane to know that giving Spidey those honking great eyes was a gift for expression....Just stick in a little scene where Spidey explains the mask was a gift early on from Reed Richards to protect his identity...unstable molecules or some crap like that, and hence we can all have the features animated as has been already pointed out.Just another point..anyone remember that really cool bit of CGI at the end of some marvel animations with Spidet doing a backflip and coming to rest on top of the logo? If you do and ya know where it's downloadable, then if you could post the addy it would be cool.Oh yeah, and while they MUST use CGI to convey Spideys agility I hope they remember He's no slouch in the muscle department either.*fingers crossed*

  • June 14, 2000, 5:29 a.m. CST

    About dem eyeballs...

    by Dave_F

    I have to agree that whether Spidey's eyes are black or white is fairly insignificant in the big picture. Incidentally, Shade, if I can be allowed to geek-out for a moment, Spider-Man's eyepieces are actually supposed to be like plastic two-way mirrors (I dug up an "Amazing Fantasy #15 reprint, and Lee and Ditko cover it in one of those cool pin-up pages Marvel used to do) - Spidey sees out, but no one can see in. I think Alex Ross has even painted them appropriately as silver before (and of course, there ARE silver sunglasses, even in the real world). Just one more option for the filmmakers to consider. I do hope they'll keep the traditional web-shooters though. In a world where superpowers exist, I'll buy that there's such a thing as a kid genius. Besides, there's something about the...uhh..."ejaculatory" nature of the organic ones that makes me uneasy. I'm sure Cameron intended it as such, suggestive of adolescence and sexual awakening blah blah blah, but I think it's an unnecessary addition to the myth.

  • June 14, 2000, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Spidey

    by Jon Zuckerman

    I think they're making the eyes black for a reason - if they play w/ lighting correctly, the black eyes will have a "reflect" effect which would really be cool. Looking foward to this.

  • June 14, 2000, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Spidey Eyes

    by Ambush Bug

    Spider-Man would be a tough character to convey on screen. If you go the traditional route, you have this featureless mask that conveys no emotion and the character comes off as an uncaring robot. If you change the costume and show eyes or a mouth, it just isn't Spider-Man. Spidey is an emotional character. He has realistic reactions to the amazing things that happen around him. If they animate the eyes to react differently to situations; wide eyed astonishment, angry eyes (like Mr.Potato Head), sad eyes, they run the risk of making the character look like he jumped out of a Tex Avery cartoon. Personally, I think it would be a great travesty if they changed the mask too much. If they tint the eyes, so what? It is more realistic that Peter would use some type of tinted skiing goggles when he constructs the Spidey mask. I just hope that this is not the beginning of major changes in the costume. I think the classic red-and-black costume would translate better on film. Since these comic films seem to be in love with the color black, this seems like a logical change. Darker lenses and black instead of blue colors should be it though. The rest of the costume should stay the way it is in the comics. This has nothing to do with the comic purists theme that so much of you like to throw out at anyone who wants the film to resemble the source material. I feel this way because Spider-Man is an icon like Superman and Batman. They can screw with Wolverine's costume all they like. He may be a popular character in the comics , but that character is not instantly recognized by people of all ages around the world. If they nip and tuck minor details that's fine, but I think Spidey is a character that is perfect for film already. I have full faith that Raimi has the talent to bring Peter Parker to life.

  • June 14, 2000, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Spidey Eyes.

    by 90333111

    I've only been collecting for about 7 years but I am going nutts waiting to hear more news of spidey getting under way. As far as the eyes go I don't think you can give him black eyes. Mess with the size and shape not the color. The white eyes draw you attention. Seeing him spin a web will become less amazing each time he does it. Then what are you going to pay attention to? His Bat Belt? oops doesn't have one. My last effort is he's a good guy. Black takes away from that.

  • June 14, 2000, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Spidey Eyes 2:Because nobody asked for it...

    by Ambush Bug

    My Ever Lovin' Blue Eyed Spidey Cast: Jamie Kennedy or that kid from Third Rock From the Sun as Peter Parker. Mena Suvari as Gwen Stacy. No Mary Jane until the sequel. Jeffrey "Re-Animator" Combs as Doctor Octopus. Willem Dafoe as Norman Osborne/Green Goblin. The big red haired guy from Romeo+Juliet and The Thin Red Line as Flash Thompson. Jack Lemmon or Richard Farnsworth from the Straight Story as Ben Parker. R.Lee Ermey as JJJameson. Bruce Campbell as the wrestling promoter who gives Spidey his name. Vanessa Redgrave as Aunt May. That's it.

  • June 14, 2000, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Spidey will be a SEXY BITCH I'm sure

    by Blair_jedi

    As long as this movie has the sarcastic but suave webcrawler I'll be happy. I could care less if he had a black or red-blue (black for all you experts) suit. Who gives a shit if he's not exactly like the comic book. Close will do, and I'm sure that's what we're going to get. As long as he doesn't have machine guns and breathes fire I'll say "sure it's all good." The actor they settle on will make a big difference in how he is portrayed. I think Jim Carrey would make a funny Spidey, but I know most of you guys wouldn't like that.

  • June 14, 2000, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Ambush Bug on the side of the red-and-black?!! Heretic!!!

    by Dave_F

    I cast you OUT Ambush Bug! You are no son of mine! Damn your eyes, just 'cause Spidey's costume was red-and-black for his measly first two issues (and honestly, the alleged black still *looked* like blue), that don't make it make it canon! Gotta be red and blue, man, you don't play with that kind of established iconography. Black is trendy, blue is HEROIC! Just ask Superman. Repent, sinner, repent!

  • June 14, 2000, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Easy, Cormorant

    by Ambush Bug

    I said that a color change from blue to black on the Spidey costume wouldn't be that big of deal. They changed Batman's costume from grey tights to black armor. I'm not saying that Spider-man should start wearing hard rubber armor, but dark dark blue or black and red would not be that drastic. I have a legitamate question here folks: What's the deal with those web things under Spidey's arms? Some artists use them and some ignore them all together. Are they used for gliding? Does Spidey secrete a fine web mesh from his pits when he gets warm and forgets his roll on? I wanna know.

  • June 14, 2000, 9:04 a.m. CST

    And another thing...

    by Ambush Bug

    It's not like they are going to give him antennae or have him shoot webs from his butt. They are not going to have him go around maskless like they did with Wolverine. This report was about the color of the Spidey lenses. At least that means Spidey will be wearing a mask. That's good, right? The costume in the comics usually has equal parts black and blue anyway.

  • June 14, 2000, 9:38 a.m. CST

    I_don't_hear_repentance!!!

    by Dave_F

    Sorry, Ambush, got carried away for a moment there. You know, blood-lust and all that, nothing I can't control. As for those underarm webs of Spidey's, I think they're just an artistic affectation. No use to the best of my knowledge, though they were around even in the first issue. Me, I can take 'em or leave 'em, though I *do* have fond memories of when Peter went back to using them on his costume in the 80's after a long period without. What was amusing was that after he finished the sewing, Parker took a little time to admire himself in the mirror and strike cool poses. That self-consciousness is one of many reasons Spider-Man remains my personal fave superhero. For the movie, though, the pit-webs should probably go. Admittedly, I can see them looking goofy on the big screen.

  • June 14, 2000, 9:45 a.m. CST

    MemberMe

    by Dave_F

    The fact that we're hearing about the costume and F/X doesn't necessarily mean that they *aren't* working on a kick-ass story simultaneously. The two aren't mutually exclusive, you realize! We just happen to be getting F/X leaks first, so don't get all cynical just yet! Yeesh. As for Ross, he's not a favorite of mine personally, but god knows he DOES have respect for tradition. Check out his work and you'll see that his modifications are always minor and always respect the original designs. I think bringing him on board is a pretty damn inspired idea.

  • June 14, 2000, 9:58 a.m. CST

    What, Cormorant, no PIT WEBS!?!!

    by Ambush Bug

    I guess they are pretty useless. I think Ross' involvement is a step in the right direction. It is a comic book movie and who better than a comic book artist to help translate. I, too, remember thinking it was a cool touch to have Peter posing heroically in front of the mirror when he first tried on his costume. What does everyone think about including Spidey's wrestling career from the origin in the comics in the film? I am not a big fan of wrestling myself, but I think that it would be a great little part of the film to have Spider-Man beat the crap out of some big name wrestlers and get a swelled head which could then lead into the Uncle Ben tragedy. Any thoughts?

  • June 14, 2000, 10 a.m. CST

    Eyes White Shut

    by Devils Halo

    Black.. just doesn't cut it.. they should be white. I mean look at how they really made the difference between a cool looking Tick and seeing the full face of Patrick Warburton. It just doesn't work without them. I don't mind subtle costume changes but eye pieces really made certain characters what they were. The Tick and Spidey are two of them.

  • June 14, 2000, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Rasslin'

    by Dave_F

    I'm cool with following the original story and having Spider-Man earn some easy money as a wrestler, but I think it'd be a definite mistake to have him go up against well-known wrestlers, especially if they're portrayed as themselves and not generic champs. Nothing will date this movie faster then making a big deal out of Spidey bringing down The Rock or something.

  • June 14, 2000, 10:31 a.m. CST

    About the Tick's mask and wrasslin' Spidey

    by Ambush Bug

    Yeah, I saw that pic of the Tick. The jury is still out with me on that one. I kind of like Puddy and I think that he will do okay on the series, but I agree the pic I saw wasn't the Tick I have laughed at through the years. Back to that Wrasslin' Spidey. True, Spidey slamming the Rock would be a little much. I think it is a good way for Peter to get a swelled head and shirk off the responsibility of stopping the robber. This would also allow the role of the wrestling promoter to be in there, which in my opinion, is a perfect role for Bruce Campbell. All of these people are screaming for old Bruce to have a role in this pic, but I seem to be the only one placing him in a role where he can ham it up.

  • June 14, 2000, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Chrome Spidey logo

    by damage

    I animated that logo over a decade ago. There's a QT on my web site at >http://www.smartlink.net/~crash< Just click on the comic art icon and go about 1/2 way down the page.

  • If that makes me a whining fanboy purist then so be it. (I'm easy about the underarm webbing and even the web pattern all over the costume. They can even change the configuration of the little blue "jacket" and "pants" for all I care. But give me a face I can recognize as Spiderman!)

  • June 14, 2000, 12:25 p.m. CST

    The EYES make the SPIDER!

    by superhero

    C'mon! All black eyes!? WTF!? The eyes of the costume are the most memorable part besides the webbing! Think about how creepy and mysterious they would look on screen coming at you in the dark! The eyes are as much a staple of Spiderman as the "S" is on Superman! I figured Raimi and crew would've been able to be more imaginative with the costume design that just blacking out the eyes completely! I thought Alex Ross could do better! And I can't believe Harry agrees with what they're doing! Don't sell Spidey out Sony! Make him classic! If you get rid of the white eyes people who have known and loved him for years (fans and non-fans alike) are gonna look at him and go, "That's not Spiderman!" And DAMMIT make them web-shooters MECHANICAL! It's part of the CHARM of the character! Remember, Superheroes can STILL have charm in the new century! They don't all have to be dark and brooding!

  • June 14, 2000, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Wrestling WTF! (Great Forum eh?)

    by SwanEater

    In my humble opinion, the only way that this wrestling nonsense would work is if it was as far from "professional" tarp pounding as possible. I swear, if they brought in an established face of wrestling which you've seen on a million lunch boxes, the flow of the film would be severely disrupted, you'd lose the beat so to speak. You'd now be reborn into the "real" world & and not be a part of Spideys' thinking "oh, there's Whatshisface". I think it would work nice as some dark & sweaty warehouse where it's more like Fight Club or ol' Stampede Wrestling, if at all. As for this forum, it's pretty rare that I read every post above, but man, Spidey fans have some real insight and passion for this character, we can only hope that Raimi and co don't make this into another farse, much like his wretched TV work. Yes, Yes, I think his mystical couple of fine flatulence (Xena & Herc) suck beyond all repair, sure it's got that whimsical Raimi charm he's always had, but we need A new Raimi here. I'm an Evil Dead lover & never thought i'd advise Raimi to "tone it down" but we need a slick & professional film here. With Spidey being common knowledge for a good chunk of the populace, we need something spectacular... and hopefullu void of Bruce Campbell.<----- I love Bruce but c'mon, he's the "Face of Farce" his instant involvement makes anything B-grade at best.

  • (I've said it before and I'll say it again.) SPIDERMAN DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE. We already know that. "Spider-sense," for example, has no basis in arachnid morphology, and if we accept it at all it's only because it's got so many years of Spiderman "tradition" behind it. The tradition is all that holds the legend together; mess with the tradition too much and the whole thing falls apart (witness FIRST KNIGHT's mangling of Arthurian legend, or the Brat Pack 3 MUSKE-DUDES). Reinvention should be contemplated ONLY when it substantially ADDS to the credibility and relevance of the character. "Organic webshooters" significantly DETRACT from both. They aren't more plausible -- even if a human being were going to develop spinnerettes, it wouldn't be out of his wrists, but from his abdomen (which would only further emphasize the undesirable "ejaculatory" force of the image). Techno-web-shooters are MORE plausible -- super-sticky compounds ALREADY exist and are being developed by the military for use in NLW (Non-Lethal Weapons) technology. Of course, these weapons systems usually come with bulky backpack tanks and so forth, which is unthinkable for Spiderman. What's NOT unthinkable is this: (A) Instead of the traditional changable cartridges in his utility belt (which are too small to be any good), run a tube directly from the belt up his arms to the wrist units. (B) Mimimize Spidey's use of the shooters -- have him rely primarily on his strength, agility, leaping power, and sticky powers to get around, swinging only when necessary.

  • June 14, 2000, 12:46 p.m. CST

    The Tick works, amigos....

    by MaxGremlin

    From what I understand, the makers of the live action Tick tried to make the mask. The problem was that due to the skin tight, molded nature of the costume, the mask had the affect of fixing Warburtons face into one expression. I recently saw an excerpt of The Tick pilot at http://4colorreview.com/. Believe me the character is still intact, especially when Tick defeats the "evil, Java menace" that is a coffee vending machine at a bus depot. When you think about it, it really does make sense. After all, why does the Tick need a mask anyway? He has no secret identity. He is ALWAYS the Tick! ALWAYS! The lack of a mask has a way of saying to the world "Hey, I am a total nutjob and I don't care who knows it!"

  • June 14, 2000, 1:16 p.m. CST

    I go out to lunch and the tirade begins...

    by Ambush Bug

    The last I heard, Raimi was considering the mechanical web shooters. I think the organic spinnerettes idea is very, very stupid. Batman doesn't have wings. Robin doesn't have feathers coming out of his ass (except when Batman's feeling frisky). Spider-Man should have the mechanical webs. The cool thing about Spider-Man (and the whole Marvel Universe for that matter) is that the origin and powers are based on science. While DC Comics focus on myth, history, and legend, Marvel takes a more technical scientific approach in their tales. Think about it: Cosmic rays created the FF, radioactive spider bites Peter Parker, Gamma bomb creates the Hulk, genetic mutation creates the X-Men. These science gone awry stories are what make Marvel a seperate entity from DC. It would be completely acceptable that an extremely intelligent science student could whip up artificial webs and a web projector. Hell, he could even stumble into making the webs in chemistry class if it isn't acceptable to have him be that much of a genius. The organic spinnerettes give a whole new sexual theme to the film that is not needed. The main theme in this film is the growth from a boy into a hero. A boy comes to the understanding that with great power comes great responsibility, not with great power comes the ability to shoot spooge from my wrists.

  • June 14, 2000, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Costume Changes: What Would You Wear?

    by The_Tooth

    If I faced every morning knowing that I'm going to go out and jump around the Statue of Liberty/crawl up walls/fight sticky-tongued mutants all day, I'd wear something a little more substantial than spandex ginch. Hence Batman's armor, the new X-men costumes, which may actually offer protection from the inevitable concrete poisoning that comes from mutanting around the city all day, and maybe something a little more solid for Spider-Man. Aunt May has better things to do with her day than sew up Peter's underoos. Leather's the answer, just ask any biker. What would a leather Spider-Man costume look like? For some reason, 15-year old Michael Jackson videos come to mind. Ugh. Still, it'd take more of a beating than the cloth costume from the comics.

  • He's quick! He's slick! He's The Tick! "My code name is Nick!" That commercial cracks me up every time!

  • June 14, 2000, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Interesting point, The_Tooth

    by Ambush Bug

    I always thought that the red-webbed portions of his costume would be padded, kind of like a baseball catchers vest, while the blue or black portions would be some type of spandex/stretch material. The costume sort of would look like an athletic suit with protection in all of the right areas. Yes, this would be bulkier than the suit in the comics, but I never thought it made sense when Spiderman went up against gangsters in a spandex costume. Heroics is a physical activity and it would make sense for our wall-crawler to wear some type of protective clothing.

  • Look at Olympic gymnasts and ice skaters. There's a reason they dress the way they do. Spiderman is first and foremost an incredible acrobat. He twists, he turns, he bends into ridiculous Steve Ditko and Todd McFarlane poses. Mobility, gentlemen, mobility. Spiderman needs spandex.

  • June 14, 2000, 2:12 p.m. CST

    What they stand to lose with the black eyes

    by knox21

    Imagine this: A thief breaks into a warehouse to rob the safe. We see the thief skulk across the wooden floor, flashlight in one hand, toolbox in the other. We follow the circular glow of the flashlight as it searches for the safe, moving across the walls and the floor until, BINGO! He's got it! The thief moves in for the kill. He's working quickly but, calmly, a real pro. he settles his tollbox down next to the safe and places the flashlght (a small one) in his mouth to free his hands. The camera cuts to an up-shot of the thief as he works. We can now see a wall to the right, disappearing into the darkness of the dimly lit warehouse. We can't see the high cieling through the black but, we know it's there because we can see a small skylight. The thief continues his work when suddenly there's a flash of movement across the skylight. It's fast and reads only as a blur. There's pause where nothing happens, then very slowly, along the wall to the right we can see, creeping down towards the thief, emerging out of the dark, two diamond shaped, WHITE eyes. The wall is so heavily shadowed that the eyes are all we can see, until they move closer to the light being thrown on the wall by the thiefs flashlight. Then, (again VERY slowly) we see a slender red arm glide out from the dark and silently rest on the wall, much like the soft steps a big cat takes just before it make it's break for it's prey. The thief is being hunted, and he doesn't even know it. Spidermans white diamond, shaped eyes, have to stay. They are the one part of his suit that makes him look CREEPY in the dark, and this should be a DARK film. Losing them is a BIG mistake.

  • June 14, 2000, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Cool scene, knox21 buuuuut...

    by Ambush Bug

    I think if they use the reflective mirror-like lenses it would have the same creepy effect. The fact that we can't see Spidey's eyes under the mask give off a spooky vibe. It gives the illusion that those lenses are his eyes. True, I prefer the white eyes too, but I don't think the tinting the eyes will ruin the look.

  • June 14, 2000, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Why would Spiderman have to wear CATCHERS GEAR?

    by knox21

    Spidermans best defence in a fight his his speed. This guy should move like lightning, and I'm not talking Martial Arts flick speed, I'm talking Interview With A Vampire, vampire kind of speed. One second he's in front of you the next he's on the cieling above you. You'll never nail this guy with a bullet because he knows it's coming. "Padding" his suit will just make him look bulky and stupid. Spiderman should be sleek like a Porche not big like a tank. The idea that it will somehow be more"believable" or "realistic" if Spidey has a protective costume is ridiculous! They didn't add muscles into Supermans suit to make it "more believable" that he could hold up the shifting plates of the San Andreas fault. Spiderman has PLENTY of ways to "protect" himself without wearing catchers gear.

  • June 14, 2000, 2:50 p.m. CST

    knox21

    by Ambush Bug

    I didn't say Spidey should wear catchers gear. Everything is taken so literally in these Talkbacks sometimes. I said that a thin layer of padding kind of like the padding used in a catcher's vest wouldn't be bad to add a little protection and a little form to the actor. Skin-tight spandex may work in the comics, but translated it to film and it doesn't look too good (look at the 70's TV series). Spider-Man is fast and agile in the comics, but that doesn't stop him from getting his mask and costume torn every time he gets into a fight. I would just think that a scientific genius might learn from having to re-sew a costume 100 times and try to put a more durable costume together.

  • June 14, 2000, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Changed my mind

    by peplovian

    After reading some of the posts on this topic I've decided to rescind my old-school costume opinion. Mr. Raimi, please outfit spidey as follows: black latex rubber body suit sporting a nike logo on the sleeve. No mask at all. Maybe a pair of ambervisions, though. Spiderman sports a long reddish biker beard. He climbs walls by methodically erecting scaffolding of up to 7 stories high. The webbing issue can be solved easily by just giving him a Carl Weathers-style rail gun and time machine. Also: He needs a sidekick. Some combination of Scrappy-Doo and Jar Jar Binks would be the ticket. As long is this individual provides shedloads of comic relief, you'll sell some lunchboxes t-shirts.

  • June 14, 2000, 3:09 p.m. CST

    www.alexrossart.com

    by oneragga

    go to the Marvels section. There you'll see, in close-up, Spidey's face, large black border 'round the eye, with a granite-like reflective surface, complete with reflection of Green Goblin and Gwen Stacy. There's even a GG vs. Spidey shot, with Spidey in Red 'n Black. Go get the visual, y'all....this will work just fine.

  • June 14, 2000, 3:12 p.m. CST

    LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON SAYS, "I DON"T MATTER IF YOU'RE BLACK OR WH

    by Blair_jedi

    Or something like that. Who gives a shit what color his damn eyes are! Spidey is cool regardless. I think white makes more sense, but it's like I'm not going to see the movie because he has black eyes. Come on y'all are making a mountain out of a mole hill with this don't yah think? It's going to be a bad-ass flick, hopefully at least with the level of cool points X-men SHOULD get...

  • June 14, 2000, 3:27 p.m. CST

    DarthJoe and others:

    by Angyl26

    Firstly to Darth Joe:FX test shots don't mean that it's going to suck. So they're only testing to and four stories-WHO GIVES A SHIT?! Why should they make a whole perfect effect scene JUST to make sure that they can do that one little part? They just need to know that they storying effect will work, doing the extra stuff would cost LOTS more and take way more time. As for the people saying "The movie will suck because his eyes are black"....this is the equivalent of looking at the logo and saying "That means this sucks." You can't really tell anything from it. Also, look at it from the filmmakers' perspective-eye pieces are basically sunglasses-when was the last time you saw WHITE LENSES?! When you buy sunglasses, do you really see white lenses? How are they supposed to make those and still let the actor see? Sure, they could use mirrored lenses, but then there's the problem of light reflection, and camera reflection. Changing ONE minor aspect for the sake of reality isn't going to hurt. Batman for example, in the comics always had those white eyes-they weren't in ANY of the movies, but it still worked great. As for the blue part of the costume, it's been colored both blue and black in the comics, so either would work and still look good-besides, black, once again, would work better-blue pants plus blue screen don't work really well. It's too early to know how this movie is going to turn out. Give it time. Besides, like the eyes or not, you know it's going to smash the box office, and most of you are going to go see it. I promise. All right everyone, there's my arguement, begin your attack.

  • June 14, 2000, 3:35 p.m. CST

    also...

    by oneragga

    ..I'm staring at a (cheap) pair of sunglasses that have a grey tinted surface, cat's-eye style. Funny, they remind me of theAlex Ross mask I just described...which, upon further reflection (pardon the pun) remind me of...spider eyes. Anyone see Arachnaphobia? It'll be allright....

  • June 14, 2000, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Black eyes? nuh uh, is Sony intentionally trying everything in t

    by axelfoley

    I've been in a mixture of emotions concerning this news about the Spidey movie. Black eyes? At first I couldn't believe it, and then I didn't mind it as much, now I am certain it absolutely won't work. It's really boggling why Hollywood has to rely on black for everything that pertains to comic book characters. Look at Batman and X-men. Needless to say, the black worked out fine for Batman. But all black for X-Men is pretty off base, ask anyone who knows their particular comic costumes. Yes, those costumes would look laughable on screen, but does black always have to be the answer? Look at the in limbo-for-eternity Superman Lives project. They were considering a 'Matrix like garb for Superman. Are you friggin kidding me? Spider-Man is the one and only comic book movie due out that I care about because Spidey has and always will be my favorite character. The white eyes we're all familiar with stand out, and give him an undeniable look of, if you will, coolness. Of course some of the drawings from over the years vary from artist to artist. You can have the big white slits that practically take up his whole fucking mask, which a lot of fans liked, including myself, but correct me if I'm wrong. I could have sworn I have seen a Spidey with black eyes in the comics before. It was more like "old-school" Spider-Man. The black eyes onscreen would definitely would stand out, no doubt about it, but not in a good sense. The only sense is that it would DISTRACT EVERYONE FROM THE MOVIE MAKERS NOT STICKING WITH THE ORIGINAL COSTUME CONCEPT-- WHICH HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED IN COMICS. The white eyes need to be kept in there, and Sam Raimi, being the true Spidey advocate we all know he is has to have some say. I am still very happy however, that Alex Ross is involved with this project. But the white eyes are a MUST for Spider-Man because it's part of the impression we get of him when we look at his face. We like it when we say his mask while he says those remarkable witty one-liners. Spidey's wiseass persona is something I definitely cannot wait to see onscreen, but having him say the liners while look at him with black eyes will without a doubt take away from the magic we're all familiar with. That's my aspect of it. We'll see what happens. Sam and Alex please get this one right.

  • Ambush Bug, how do you expect Spidey to move like the uber-athlete/gymnast that he is if he were to wear anything but tights? Even if they don't turn him into a living action figure a la Michael Keaton, he won't be able to strike those exaggerated webswinging roofhopping poses in biker gear. Superman has always worn tights and in three different incarnations it has never looked bad. In fact it makes him seem as if he really does have superpowers since who but a lunatic would go into battle in tights if he didn't? Whereas protective gear makes you seem like... a guy in a suit. In the BATMAN movies the suit itself actually becomes the hero; if you accept the stunts and tricks at all, you accept that the suit can do them, not the guy inside. (Picture Michael Keaton punching out people WITHOUT his mask on -- ridiculous isn't it?) Spidey needs to be a guy who's got the power in himself, like Superman.

  • June 14, 2000, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Organic shooters=bat nips=arrogant "writers"/directors

    by montyb

    As someone mentioned, mechanical webshooters are part of the charm of spiderman. It just fits Parker that occasionally they malfunction or he runs out of cartridges. Maybe he can't afford next weeks supply of web-juice. If they go with organic shooters, I'll compliment the web by shooting generous streams of hot, golden piss all over the frickin' screen. PS, Why didn't Batgirl have nipples?

  • June 14, 2000, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Black eyes? Is Alex Ross nuts?

    by KingKrypton

    The idea of a black-eyed Spider-Man is too much of a stretch to me. The idea of Spider-Man is that he's a bubbly, jovial person who doesn't let his turbulent life get him down. The red and blue suit with the big white/silver eyes reflects this aspect of the character. Purely black eyes, in my estimation, will throw the suit design off balance and take away from Spidey's whimsical look. Besides, Spidey's white/silver eyes glowing out from the shadows is a really neat visual. Why would you want to sacrifice it? Pure black eyes will take away from Spidey's look. Than again, this is the same Alex Ross who thinks a boring, commonplace black bat silhoutette is much more iconic than the powerful "bat in a gold halo" emblem worn by Batman. Here's hoping Sam Raimi can smack him down and talk some sense into him.

  • June 14, 2000, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Spidey won't be in an all black costume...

    by W3bzpinn3r

    Then he would look too much like Venom, and New Line would get on Sony's case, since New Line owns the theatrical rights to Venom. That's why you'll never see Venom or Carnage fight Spidey in the movies, since the Symbiotes are owned by New Line, unless Sony attempted to purchase the rights from New Line or some other deal was cut. Last I heard, New Line was planning to sit back and see how X-Men and Spider-Man do in the box office before commiting to the money involved to bring everyone's favorite lethal wallcrawler to film, and that the writer of Blade already had a treatment done for Venom: The Movie and awaiting further scripting. ~T-Catchu~ "The Poke-X-Mon"

  • June 14, 2000, 6:12 p.m. CST

    My opinion

    by Helos

    Hi folks. This is my first post to Aint-it-cool-news' Talkback. I've been a lurker here for over three years and now I feel I must speak as I absolutely love Spider-man. Before I go into my opinions of the costume "controversy", I have to say the following.....HOLY SHIT! There's going to be a Spider-man movie....they're actually going to make it!!!!!! That said, I think we're focusing on the wrong subject. The script is the single most vital element in bringing to life our beloved hero. Spider-man has never been about a costume, hell it's never even been about beating up bad guys, it's about a young man who makes a terrible mistake that costs his uncle's life and now he must live with that mistake forever. Black eyes, white eyes, organic web-shooters, red/black spandex.....none of that matters. What matters is that when we look at the screen, we see a scared kid. Someone who has to cope with his horrible mistake and risk his life to stop people who would hurt others......just like one person took away his uncle. Someone who realizes he could actually die when he fights super-villians. And makes jokes to cover up that fear. When I sit down and the theater goes dark I'm not going to be paying attention to what color Spidey's eye pieces are.....I'm going to watch a young risk life and limb to protect complete strangers.....so they won't have to lose someone they love. I'm going to watch a hero.

  • June 14, 2000, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Spidey's Eye ARE Important

    by ITcameINtheMail

    A lot of the comments that I just read kind of tick me off. What do you mean..."Who cares about the eyes?" Are you guys touched in the head? Who cares? I DO! And so do most of Spidey's fans. Don't you remember that feeling of first seeing Michael Keaton in the "Thick-necked" Batsuit? Don't you remember thinking..."Geez, I waited in line for this movie for four fucking days and they give me a rubber Batman with a cowl so thick even I could sneak up on his ass and pummel him!" I don't know about you but I don't want to go through that shit again. Especially with the one true superhero character that could be not just be a great movie but AN AMAZING MOVIE! The eyes, the suit, the web shooters and especially the main theme of "With Great Powers Comes Great Responsibility" HAS to be all there. Spidey was a kid, a 15 yr old kid when he started out! He was pretty creative in the sciences and also in the silk screening craft. The costume should look like a 15 yr old kid with a lot of ingenuity had made it. Case Closed! In the sequels, they should have him in his college days...we as an audience should be able to follow his exploits just like we did in the comics. It's all there! Just ripe for the picking! A few minor adjustments are to be expected, of course, but believe me...you only need a few! The Eye's should be big and white! 'nuff said.

  • June 14, 2000, 7:06 p.m. CST

    The costume is the focus of attention -here-, but...

    by The_Tooth

    I'll be enjoying the movie, hopefully. Unless the plot is just atrocious, any changes should be quickly forgotten in favour of the story. Don'tcha think?

  • June 14, 2000, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Shiney tights are for sissies!

    by damage

    Matte finish neoprene would look much cooler.

  • June 14, 2000, 10:51 p.m. CST

    black eyes, purple eyes, who gives a shit?!

    by joeyd1111

    stop complaining, you fucking pathetic losers. black eyes, blue eyes, organic wrist shooters, so fucking what? bitch all you want, you know you're going to go watch the damn movie, anyway. just be thankful they're even making a movie, and putting a worthy budget into it...keep nitpicking, fuckheads...you can't make a better movie, sitting on your fat ass, in your mother's basement. go play with your action figures!! wankers!!!!

  • June 15, 2000, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Come on, the reason for the Spandex...

    by Jack Parsons

    is quite simple. Pete wore the thing under his street clothes! It had to be thin, hidden, and above all else, had to let the boy sweat.

  • June 15, 2000, 8:32 a.m. CST

    something to think about.

    by real-spiderman

    Ok, I'm a traditinalist when it comes to the origin/costume. After reading all the posts something got me thinking. I stopped netting for a second and picked up a Vhs box from the live action 70's show. I gave the pic of Spidey a once over, and realized his eyes weren't white.I'm not talkin about the grey eyes with the tiny holes in the lenses either. I'm talking later in the series when they put reflextive glass in the mask. Now when you see this reflextive glass it looks black, except when light hits it of course.Now my whole point is this: If this is the look Alex Ross is going for, I'm cool with it, but he needs to leave the web pattern alone.Regardless of what anyone spews back at me about it.I was always a fan of the ol 70's show because it was the closest thing I had to an actual spiderman movie. The costume wasn't perfect. Yeah it was loose in spots, the gloves and boots were silly looking,The utility belt was on the outside, and the webshooter looked like something out of Shogun-Warriors.<especially in the japanese version> Even with all those imperfections the basic costume remained true to the comic, and when I was 6 years old that Spiderman was the real deal.So Mr. Ross, don't make crazy changes.

  • June 15, 2000, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Here, now.....

    by Movie44

    I just wanted to point out AS a rabid fanboy of film(and much smaller degree, comics) something. NO, I'm not gonna come up with some inane excuse for Spider man's eyes, explaining in detail how they're defined in the comics. It's stupid...I'm a fan but I'm a fan who realizes no one cares about that crap except other fans. NO, I'm not gonna complain about 'em being changed, but NO I don't like it being changed. I just wanted to point out that this IS minor, as Shade mentioned, but also that it's the minor things that make a good suit work in a visual medium like film(and comics). I'm not gonna rant and scream about Spidey's suit being changed, not gonna #$%& about his eyes, and even tho I was originally against it, I don't CARE about the web-shooters changes. Most of the fans raising ruckus over this are merely raising ruckus not because of how it's being changed, but because it's being changed. No, a lotta mechanics about the suit don't seem feasible, but neither does leaping tall buildings in a single bound. Any transferrence from literature to film has given controversy over the minor changes...I remember not too long ago I'd see chatrooms calling for Hollywood's death because the Hobbits in the LOTR movies are going to have pointed ears. Hm. I like the stories myself, but not with such furor. NO, of COURSE it's not going to affect the story that much because he has a differrent color of eye lens or because his suit's been changed. They just don't like seeing things break from tradition. An interesting thing going on nowadays, where it seems the media has the need to so "modernize" things that they in effect so date the material, that years down the road we'll watch it and say about it what we say about the original Richard Roundtree's <i>Shaft</i>..."Good movie, but MAN is it obvious when it was made!" I've been annoyed at this a few times myself. The vocalized few are what get represented here, so here I am to represent the rest of us who feel this way. We're not going to condemn the movie because of the dang eyes. We're not going to condemn it cause of the suit. We...prolly woulda condemned it if Cameron was still on board but anywho...We're not going to NOT see a movie many people in and out of comics have waited on for ages because of these nitpicks, because that's all they are and that's all MOST the people I know mean them to be...fanboy nitpicks. "It was a great film, I enjoyed it immensely, I just would have 1 or 2 minor details changed"...can that not be said of almost all movies being produced today? I'm personally expecting all these backlashes over the changes to all but disappear when the movie comes out; I think this could be a fairly big 'turning point' movie, much as Keaton(who NOBODY wanted to do Batman because he'd done a lotta comedies 'fore then) transformed into a mainly dramatic actor who didn't do a comedic piece for about 5 years or more. I think that after the movie comes out it will be beneficial for my favorite art, the film, and one of my other favorites, the comic book. And at the risk of getting flamed by someone obviously a whole lot more respected on this site than I am, Shade, you were ruder about it than you had to it; one could have diffused that situation better.

  • June 15, 2000, 6:19 p.m. CST

    ZeroCorpse...

    by SDG

    ...your analysis makes so much sense, the only possible rebuttal is to ignore what you said and rant about something else. Here, how's this: "You stupid fanboys! Who cares about costumes, webshooters, eye colors? As long as they call him Spiderman what difference does it make if he wears an Armani with dark Ray-Bans and zips around the city with a bungee cord tied to his gonads?" Howzat?