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STAR WARS EPISODE TWO Casting CONFIRMED! Prepare to be very happy!
That's Right!!!!!
CHRISTOPHER "FUCKING" LEE IS IN THE NEXT STAR WARS MOVIE!!!
After a month of work, drilling numerous sources, but knowing it was true from the get go... but without tipping my hat.... I finally got the confirmation hours ago. The question, "What LORD OF THE RINGS actor is signed on board for STAR WARS EPISODE TWO?" That was all that I was asking. Not wanting anyone to say, "Ya know, Harry was poking around about Christopher Lee and Star Wars..." and it ending up elsewhere. So that was the question I was asking.
I can't tell you who my sources are. Though I know. But I know this is a DONE DEAL! So celebrate and be happy. CHRISTOPHER 'FUCKING' LEE is in STAR WARS. First it was Van Helsing, now it is the Dark lord himself, Dracula! Suddenly... Christopher 'Fucking' Lee is in the absolute top two most anticipated geek films on the Horizon. NOW... Sam Raimi.... Find a role for him in SPIDER-MAN!!!!
P.S. The Darth Kimball Hoaxers had not one iota of contact with this scoop. Both of the sources are absolute 100% truthful, never once led me in the wrong direction, spies. Also, this wasn't an 'e-mail' deal, this was a direct person to person deal. Those idiots are lying.
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Christopher Lee, a rose in a garden of weeds...
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Christopher Lee is in: That
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coolest news so far by a mile.
i guess he is gonna be bad a la peter cushing in ep1, but i'm hoping he is a sith, but please george, spare us comedy vampire teeth. and yeah, what is happening with walken (and gabriel byrne??)
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would he be a goodie, a sith, what? or is he just going to give his voice to a CGI creature? To tell you the truth I'm not that excited about this. However, I would be jumping around if it were, say, I dunno, Kevin Spacy or Ed Fucking Norton, that would be the coolest. -Check Ya Later.
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Jun 12, 2000 5:20:39 AM CDT
Question: Will his immense talent be wasted a la Terrence Stamp
by sparky the clown
Answer: Probably
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...there is one transcending level, and this is the most excellent of all. This person is aware of the endlessness of entering deeply into a certain Way and never thinks of himself as having finished. He truly knows his own insufficiencies and never in his whole life thinks that he has succeeded. He has no thoughts of pride but with self-abasement knows the Way to the end. It is said that Master Yagy once remarked, "I do not know the way to defeat others, but the way to defeat myself." Thourghout your life advance daily, becoming more skillful than yesterday, more skillful than today. This is never-ending.
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Christopher Lee..Wow...That is almost enough to get me excited about the next Star Wars movie.. Now if only the Christopher Walken rumor would turn out to be true and they would kill off Jar Jar Binks there might be hope for this movie.
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kick ass! christopher lee in a star wars movie 2 roles for him on both sides of the coin 1)sneaky aide to palpatine 2)new sidekick to yoda leaving mace windu to go out and pop a lightsabre in somebodies ass!
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I share the worries of the above poster that Christopher Lee will be wasted - a la Terrence Stamp - in the next SW movie! Only Tim Burton has ever signed talent and thrown them away in five minutes of movie (Mars Attacks) but we all know that it was deliberate. George Lucas did the oposite - wasted talent for no reason. I'm pleased to hear Christopher Lee is finally getting into a SW movie, but any excitement will be with held for the day I sit down with my pop-corn and my eyes on that BIG SCREEN to see exactly what he has been asked to do. Without sounding too miserable, I have to admit that my expectations aren't too high. . .
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Here's my guess....Luca$ will cast Lee as some kind of Vamp Sith, who will die when he gets his first taste of Jedi blood... midochondrians turn out to be poisonous to vampires and Lee has to do a cheesy b-movie death scene.
I think Luca$ knows the fans were disappointed with EP1, and he's scrambling for ways to get people back in the theater. No, wait...
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To have Christopher Lee play the father of Grand Moff Tarkin; a honorable tribute to his dearly missed friend.
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Cool. I just bought the DVD version of "The Man With The Golden Gun". This news is just a ray of sunshine on my day.
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Can he? Can anyone name a decent 'good guy' performance of his? He does 'creepy'. He won't be a Sith, cos any new Sith would be another apprentice for Darth Sid, and thus would be much younger than Lee. I can't see them introducing another old Sith, what function would he hold? So once you cut out all the good guys and the Sith you're left with Moff Tarkin Types: militaristic henchmen, with a sadistic streak. And yes, I would guess a one-note extended cameo sort of role. No one was really sadistic in EP1, were they? No planets destroyed just as a show of power.... well, if I get to see grinning Lee firing a doomsday weapon to destroy the Gungan homeworld, I'm there. But Lucas wouldn't be that cool again... would he?
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Maybe he'll be cast as Mandalor or Boba Fett?
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For a second I thought you said it was Christopher REEVE. I was like, "that's fucked up man." Insteade of "Genie in a bottle" it could be "Jedi in a wheelchair" or "Darth Cripple" hey why not even HANDI-WAN KANNOTSTAND! The possibilities are endless.
I guess Christopher Lee would either be a Sith or Grand Moff (the early equivalent) Tarkin. I can't really see Mr. Lee doing all those funky karate moves that Ray Park, Liam Neeson, and Ewan McGregor did, though....
My best guess is that he could be a senator, possibly one that supports Palpatine. You know Palpatine wins over the bureaucrats and most of the senate but some of them must know his true motives and get promised a piece of his future Empire. Whether they do or not will be determined. (I think Mr. Lee would be too old to play Bail Antilles cause Leia's step-dad will fairly young in Episode 2.) Hell, who knows. Lucas hasn't told us that much outside the obvious about which characters will return and the only real confirmed new one is Boba Fett. -
This is fuckin' excellent news. After Peter Cushing comes Christopher Lee, just the way it should be. It shows Lucas has a love of film history and this is the best bits of news on Ep.2 I've heard so far. Maybe Ep.2 is gonna be the comeback we need, maybe Lucasfilm are gonna make a film for us, the original fans and not our bratty nephews again. I wanna see the darkness, the adult storytelling of Empire Strikes Back, not more Disney-in-Space shit like last time. Bring on Seth ninja, bring on another Maul type character, bring on some sexual tension between the leads, bring on some serious space battles where every bit of heroism and destruction is done on purpose and not by a kid and not by accident. And bring on the great Christopher Lee. Make me a believer again...
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"The centipede was happy, quite, until a toad, in fun
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Okay, I guess that does make me happy, but not nearly as happy as I would be if I were to find out that Ryan Phillippe would NOT be in it.
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So, Harry has another exclusive scoop. We'll see if this one turns out any better than his others. He could just be setting himself up for another embarassment. But if it IS true, I can honestly say that I am in no way thrilled about this. Sure I enjoy Christopher Lee's work, but It's not like he's a reason I go see a film. As a young boy, the first movie I can remember him in was Dragnet. I still love that movie, but not because of Chris' "minister gone bad" routine. I suppose it's about the same as Terrence Stamp being in Ep. 1. Cool, he's got a nice body of work, but it hasn't increased or decreased my desire to see the film. How many worthless scoops do we really have to read on this film? Tae Kwan Do will be used? Christopher Lee will play an old guy? Well, I'm just too excited to go on. Props to Dr. Steuss. That shit is funny.
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Obviously, Harry holds the King's English in high regard. (Ooo -- Harry can cuss!) Christopher Lee is a good actor. But the man's hey-day was back in the 50's with the Hammer-horror flicks. What is he -- a thousand years old? I whole-heartedly agree with comments made above. If George is writing the script, he'll probably be a wasted talent like Terrance Stamp (Go General Zod!) or he'll wind up taking a dirt nap like Oliver Reed (get that defribrilator ready!) Christopher "fucking" Lee is NOT going to make this movie great. Get a grip, Harry. If Samuel Jackson, Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor & Natalie Portman (good actors) couldn't save Episode One from putting everyone to sleep, what chance does the "fucking" man have? Don't make a good movie, George ... make a great movie!
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I think you have your Christopher's mixed up. It was Christopher Plummer who starred in Dragnet I do believe. Personally, I think this is a great decision to cast Lee. He has a screen charisma that very few actors seem to have these days. He overpowers any scene he is in. Then again, so does Terrence Stamp and we all know how well he was used in Ep. 1. I think the father of Grand Moff Tarkin would be the ideal role. He could lead the armies of the Empire and his son could be an up and coming officer in the ranks of the Empire. It would be really cool to see the young Tarkin kill his father to take over leadership of the Empire's army much like the Emperor wanted Luke to do by killing Darth Vader to take his place. Ah, but that would give the little kiddies nighmares so I guess we can rule out Lucas doing anything that evil.
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How do we know that , Mr.Lee hasn't simply been cast for his voice?e.g Brian Blessed.George's kink for cramming ,as many daft and cartoony aliens into the new chapters , could well mean that Chris is just going to do the vocals ,for some fucking stupid , bright green and blue thing..{with six eyes and tentacles}...that shouts a lot, in a very deep voice!
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Christopher Lee must be allowed to play a vital character
in EP2 and not some bit player.
Terence Stamp [who I believed to be the quintessential Magneto]was
absolutely wasted in EP1. Lucas!
He played Zod for chrissakes!
Lee must be a relative of a New Hope character,or as in the Shadows of the Empire/Star Wars SPEdition mingle,be a connection to the novels.
Oh yes, one more thing,
keep Lucas away from directing the next Star Wars. Give it to someone like Joe Johnston, Sam
Raimi, John Mctiernan, Cameron,
maybe Spielberg. Hell, give it to PBS, they'll do a better job.
Anybody but Lucas.
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This guy has the coolest voice AND the coolest accent. Hopefully he's on the Empire's side. Maybe there's a reason for watching the next STAR WARS movie after all! Woo Hoo!!
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Good news.
He had better not be wasted like Terrance Stamp was.
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Jun 12, 2000 9:49:59 AM CDT
If I had a nickel for every bad direction from George Lucas...
by metatron
I'm with cybergasm on this one... Lucas hasn't directed a film very well since... uh.. since... well, ok, never. Now Ridley Scott... THERE's a director... of course he would make Star Wars entirely too believable, which might be too much for us to take... and then he'd have a score by Hans Zimmer, or more hopefully, Vangelis... which would be infinitely less plagiaristic than Williams... who ripped off, among other things, Prokofiev's Alexander Nevsky, Holtz' work, and even himself... just listen to Return of the Jedi, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, and Episode I... you will find at least three or four parts that sound almost identical to one another... granted, he's a great composer, but he's getting so overused that he's running into himself! Oh yeah, and if you're in the Boston area, check out the Boston Pops this month... one of my friends will be performing percussion with them and I can't be there... anyway, yeah... so... Lucas... Harrison Ford said Lucas' two directions were "faster" or "more intense"... well, it takes more than that to direct what Lucas considers to be just another prop... my thought is, if yer gonna hire an actor as good as Liam Neeson... give him some creative rope with his lines AND for god's sake don't KILL him off in the first movie... he shoulda had a different role. Oh, and Kyle McLachlan would be a killer Senator Bail Organa.... just my thoughts.
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Jun 12, 2000 10:08:19 AM CDT
I guess he's Tarken. Still waiting to here about Walken & Burne
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HAND, Harry - you meant to say "without tipping my HAND". As in the game of poker, as in carelessly exposing your cards, allowing other players to see what you have. You didn't want to tip your HAND.
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Thanks to G.Lucas' history of Bad Direction and accepting watered down performances. I am excited as hell.
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...yeah, you're right, his direction were just "faster" or "more intense"... I wonder how we ended up with the sludge we did?
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give Lee any decent roles while he was younger? He's 78 now, and I'm glad to see him still working, but look at his filmography:
http://uk.imdb.com/Name?Lee,+Christopher
and note the almost total lack of any decent roles between his Dracula days and the present day. I remember him fondly from Gremlins 2, but it's not a classic, is it? Police Academy 7??
Some of the films on the list are good, but still...
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Harry prints _anything_ sent to him. This bogus fanboy wetdream was brought to you by the Kimball Hoaxers. http://members.tripod.com/darth_kimball/ ~~~~~~~"I won't print any more Star Wars rumors" - Harry Knowles - June 2000~~~~~~~ You are our mouthpiece, Harold. Darth Kimball owns you. Dance for us now, you funny, hairy, jiggly man. :-)
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I don't care if the man has just a few lines as he did in "Sleepy Hollow"! Just seeing him on the big screen is a treat in itself. The man is the last of a great breed, we should just be thrilled to see classics like this getting the big film stuff, not to mention the respect they deserve! I am now looking forward to this film in a HUGE way!
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you know what?... Mr. Lee may be a great actor and all... but you guys should like NOT GET A HARD ON over this! Harry, I'm watching URBAN LEGEND tomorrow and I'll email you a crapfest on how much that movie will probably suck even if I'm going to a screening of it!
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Sorry, I just don't buy this scoop. I don't know why--my bullshit meter is just going off of the charts right now. I'd caution everyone to not get your hopes up until this appears on the official site. As for me, I could give six salty shits whether or not Christopher Lee is in it--yeah, yeah, Dracula, Hammer films, yay. You show me a cracklin' script review, then I'll start getting pumped. You give me hints that this movie is gonna be DARK, and you'll have my eight bucks. But right now, even if this Lee rumor is true, it just means that he'll appear, say a few lines, and disappear. We've already got the majority of our main cast filled out by now, and Lucas is gonna have to also concentrate on introducing us to the "older" versions of pre-established characters--there's a lot of fucking exposition that needs to be done here. So if anyone thinks that there are gonna be very many completely new characters who have SUBSTANTIAL parts, get a clue. Lee will probably not be in the movie, but if he is, it will be a CAMEO, nothing more, just like Stamp, Sam Jackson and E.T. all had cameos in the first one. Although I gotta admit, wouldn't it be great in that completely-fucking-insane way if Lucus threw in a nasty sex scene between Lee and Portman, just to shut up all the critics who said he went soft?
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I'll speculate away with everyone else, but I'm not trusting this until the final word comes down from Lucasfilm. I predict, if this scoop is true, Lee will play the leader of the Mandalorians. For all of you who continue to deny the Mandalorians will be in EP2, let me say that 1) It is confirmed that the Clone Wars will be the backdrop of EP2, and 2) the ESB novelization states that the Clone Wars were fought between the Mandalorians and the Jedi, with the Jedi emerging victorious.
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1) It has NOT been confirmed that we will see the Clone Wars in Episode II.
2) the name "Mandalorian" was NEVER USED in ANY canon source -- the ESB novel DOES NOT name the source of Fett's armour and DOES NOT say that the warriors were the cause of the Clone Wars, just that they were beaten by the Jedi during that conflict. Thus: "Mandalorian" -- that name may not even be used by Lucas.
3) Scoop is not true: Knowles is our mouthpiece and will post every fake scoop we send him, because he is owned by us.
Once again, more quackery from Harry and his blathering idiot fans. This was another HOAX brought to you by the Darth Kimball Hoaxers. Dance some more for us, fanboys. We are laughing at all of you. -
...it's always nice to come on the site and see a big photo of Christopher Lee. If a hoax war begins, though, that will get really fucking old quick.
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Hey, I'll eat my words. I remembered the quote incorrectly. I thought it was EP2 was a love-story set against the backdrop of the Clone Wars. I went back and checked, and it was actually against the "Sith's quest for domination". My bad. But really, do you have to be such a jerk about it? I still think logically, it makes sense, and I do consider the novelizations as close to canon as you can get.
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What is that..pink eye? Did he not use an Enzenamic Cleaner on his contact lenses ? Thats pretty nasty looking!
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Okay, here's two more nuggets of mindless speculation that will never happen, but would probably completely redeem the prequels in the fanboys' mind.
Scenario One) In Episode II, have some unseen traitor killing off Jedi. The type of thing where someone will look over and say, "Oh, it's you," then is suddenly blasted out of the screen, a la C3PO in "Empire." Finally, this assaisan would be the one who offs Amidala. Then, in Episode III, reveal that the traitor was Jar Jar. Think how cool that would be--to learn that all of his clowning and fuckups were actually carefully orchestrated, slowly and slyly infiltrating into the Jedi's confidence, discreetely carrying out Sideous' wishes the entire time. Of course, you would have to figure out a convincing alibi in Episode II as to why Jar Jar couldn't possibly be the traitor, just to divert everyone's attention, but it could be done (holograms, for instance). This would be the kind of "holy shit I can't believe they just did that" revelation that would have everybody's jaws on the floor.
Chances of this happening: 0.0 percent. It'll be hard to market stuffed animals for a character that's a bad guy, and we all know that that's all Lucas cares about.
Scenario 2) Have Obi-Wan responsible for Amidala's death. First, establish a really dramatic love triangle. It's obvious that she's gonna choose Anikan, and it's even more obvious that this is tearing Obi-Wan apart. Then, it Episode III, have Amidala need to escape the planet. She'll need an escort, preferably Anakin, and Obi-Wan knows this. So he lies to Anakin, sends him off in the opposite direction, and goes to escort the Queen himself. For whatever reason, he doesn't get there in time, and Amidala is killed (maybe by . . . Jar Jar?). When Anakin learns that Obi-Wan is responsible for her death, he flies into a murderous rage and goes after him. Other Jedi try to intervene, and Anakin just cuts them down. He becomes unstoppable in his rage, destroying the Jedi council, becoming Vader, and only Yoda and Obi-Wan are able to escape. This would also help explain why Obi-Wan became a hermit and went into hiding for so long. We have always assumed that it was for fear of the Empire's power, but was if it was something else? What if it was remorse over what he had unleashed on the universe?
Chances of this scenario happening: 0.1 percent. It's a little too dark, but who says that the origin of Darth fucking Vader is supposed to be cheery?
Anyways, now's the time when y'all write back and flame me for being so stupid and give me a million reasons why these scenarios wouldn't work. And if so, I dare you to come up with something better. Let's go, beetches. -
According to Harry's past record I won't belive this until it's official, but damn if christopher lee wouldn't make a badass imperial officier like Grand Moff Tarken. As to all you mandalorian thinking people, the only TRUE canon is the films. I"m sorry. The books are nice but this is Lucas' world. what he says goes.
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Since this is about star wars iwould like to talk about dark redemption (my email is messed up). Did you all here the people who made this film where thrown into federial prison because of lucas. what do you all think about this subject.
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First, Adrien Dunbar gets left on the cutting room floor. Then the rumor was Gabriel Byrne and then Ryan Phillipe. I think people are kind of expecting the love triangle aspect. But what if they cast an OLDER actor as Bail Organa, and then a YOUNGER actor as his dashing son, blah blah blah?
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I'll believe it when it's official. The past few "Episode II" related posts that good 'ol Harry has made have been false.. and I doubt this one is true, but it'd be cool if it was.
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Creeps & Co, my hat is off to you!
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To everyone doubting Christopher Lee's acting ability.... One word: "Gormenghast". Though I'm afraid he'll be wasted in this too. At least Saruman, while a role with little screen time, is still vitally important to LotR.
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Jun 12, 2000 1:19:40 PM CDT
I just hope the talent signing on is indicative of the script.
by the kid
Imagine Walken as a Jedi, putting all his power into the bug-eyes and the voice. Heheh. This thing has so much potential now to kick ass, Lucas will have to TRY to make it bad.
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Hey superninja, you moron, before you go blasting people about their facts you need to do your homework. The OFFICIAL STARWARS SITE (as in www.starwars.com) states clearly that Boba Fett's armor is MANDALORIAN! This is Lucas, you retard! Damn you know-it-all's need to get your facts straight before you starting ripping somebody a new asshole.
As far as this dude being cast, well Harry it's not on the official site yet so until it is, you're just another bullshitter in the same category as Darth Kimball creators. You haven't lost any cool points yet, but if it isn't confirmed by the official site soon then you will be the true ass of asses.
Can anybody tell me why it's such a big deal about why it's important to have name actors? Sam Jackson's enough for me. I prefer not seeing somebody and thinking, "Oh yeah that dude was in that flick where those surfers smoked all that weed and went to Mars before scoring with that chick." You get the point... -
Hey Kimball, you moron, before you go blasting people about their facts you need to do your homework. The OFFICIAL STARWARS SITE (as in www.starwars.com) states clearly that Boba Fett's armor is MANDALORIAN! This is Lucas, you retard! Damn you know-it-all's need to get your facts straight before you starting ripping somebody a new asshole.
As far as this dude being cast, well Harry it's not on the official site yet so until it is, you're just another bullshitter in the same category as Darth Kimball creators. You haven't lost any cool points yet, but if it isn't confirmed by the official site soon then you will be the true ass of asses.
Can anybody tell me why it's such a big deal about why it's important to have name actors? Sam Jackson's enough for me. I prefer not seeing somebody and thinking, "Oh yeah that dude was in that flick where those surfers smoked all that weed and went to Mars before scoring with that chick." You get the point... -
My coin is on him being a Young(er) Tarkin. When I saw that pic at the top, even with all the nice vamp makeup, I was immediately reminded of Peter Cushing. Esp. that hairline.
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To Darth Kimball and all these pros here that don't study their shit:
"Fett wears the armor of the Mandalorians, a group of fearsome warriors dating back to ancient times who were defeated by the Jedi Knights. His modified armor includes a helmet with a macrobinocular viewplate, motion and sound sensors, infrared capabilities, an internal comlink with his ship (the Slave I), and a broad-band antenna for intercepting and decoding transmissions; wrist gauntlets that house lasers, a miniature flame projector, and a fibercord whip/grappling device; a back-pack jet pack with a turbo-projected magnetic grappling hook with a 20-meter lanyard; knee-pad rocket dart launchers, spiked boots, a concussion grenade launcher and a BlasTech EE-3 rifle. Braided Wookiee scalps hang over his right shoulder."
Wow, huh? All you guys can go read this yourselves at the official site! What an idea! Damn...
You mean they're not Jedi braids?
The Madalorians ARE George Lucas Star Wars?
A little reading up can make it so you don't put your foot in your mouth.
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Didn't mean to include you in that post. It's Darth Kimball that's the dumb ass.
By the way, if Lucas were to make up a new Darth name why would he pick something faggy like Kimball? It sounds like the last name of that nice old lady that gives the little kids lemonade in the summer. Darth Rage is not a bad name, but Lucas usually picked something more obscure. Detori? God knows who thought that one up. It's almost as gay as Kimball, but not quite. How far can we go? Darth Poodle. Darth Rock. Darth Suck It. You name it, the Internet probably has it, and it is all a hoax. (I still like Darth Cripple.) -
Wondered what I did to piss you off. But then I realized your anger was directed at Darth Kimball. But he will only counter you by saving that until Lucas offically says the words, "Clone Wars," that there is in fact no such thing. I think the Clone Wars will be in EP2, and it will be the Mandalorians vs the Republic (Jedi). It makes perfect sense -- the Trade Federation failed him with their wanky robots, so now he will want more reliable footsoliders, which is what the Mandalorians have been described as in some cases.
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Look at this...so many of you believe this "news". I'm waiting for the official word about this.
Oh, and I side with the people complaing about know it alls. Do you "fans" want to see how much you, as a collective (if you will) know about SW? Do you? Then check out the Urban Legends section on www.starwars.com. Not so smart now, eh? -
Jun 12, 2000 1:55:17 PM CDT
God this is just too much fun, talking to myself and all....
by blair_jedi
Hey Harry,
I've been knocking on low-level loser like Darth Kimball when you should be the target. Where do you get your information anyway? Who else is in this? I can see the headline tomorrow...."TWO NEW CONFIRMED (sic) CASTINGS: JIM CARREY and JENNA JAMISON!" Jim Carrey could be an Sith Joker and Jamison could be one helluva Sith Witch/Temptress. I could see her giving Yoda a mini-blow job! Hey, sure, and while we're at it let's throw Charlton Heston into it! He could be the Super Jedi Moses! He could get the Space Ten Commandments! Who else? What about the St. Louis Rams led by Jedi Master Kurt Warner! The team could serve as cannon fodder for the evil Sith Francisco 49ers! They could have Steve Young return as a wounded yet still able Sith Bastard with a laser football that the Jedi cannot stop because of it's tight spiral! Yeah! There yah go! NO this is not sarcastic. -
Lee was in the Young Indiana Jones chronicles...so he does have ties to Lucasfilm...i hope this is true.
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Ninja, Darth Kimball reminds me of the children that I dropped off in the pool after I ate lunch today....
Your Clone Wars idea is not an idea. Lucas himself stated that Episodes 2-3 will take place with the "backdrop of the Clone Wars." Take that how you will. My guess is that it will focus on Obi-Wan, Anakin, Amidala, and the Sith trying to lean the "Balance" in their favor. By converting Anakin they will do this, but we all know how that ends up. You are not entirely wrong, I don't think. But UNLIKE certain people in here, I don't claim what I say as fact unless I saw it at the official site. Kimball gets his facts from Fan site message boards like this. I think you're more of a reader. Not a SW freak, just an interested fan. Keep your chin up and don't let people like that (he didn't know what the hell he thought anyway) get to you. -
If the official site says Boba Fett's armor is Mandalorian then it is probably likely we might see a few of them. But you know Lucas, he has his own agenda. If he says "hell no" to Mandalores then "hell no" we won't see them. I'm kinda tired about hearing about how such-and-such a race "will" be in the movie and that this "has" to happen. Who knows what will really happen.
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Okay, great cast + terrible plot + horrible direction + wasted talent = STILL a sorry azz movie.
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Thank God somebody with a head on their shoulders other than superninja. Maxwell you have a point. Yoda mentions that one master can only have one apprentice. I didn't know how to take the little spiel he said to Mace at the end... BUT I find it hard to believe that two Sith can wipe out every single Jedi except for Obi-Wan and Yoda because they got away. That's stupid and silly. Unless they have methods we haven't seen, there must be other Sith waiting in the wings.
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A respected actor, but not a big box office draw by any means, so I doubt the possibility of his signing on is any indication of the quality of the script. Lucas doesn't let his actors see the whole script, and allegedly he is not even finished.
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Yes, let me side with FlickChick: Star Wars Episode II will sure be a terrible film...even though it hasn't been made yet. We haven't a clue what the actuall nitty gritty of the plot it, so it must be bad. Lucas is indeed a terrible director. Only a miracle made American Graffiti the most profitable film of it's time.
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Lee did a damn fine job as the judge in Sleepy Hollow for Tim Butron. I'm thinking that Burton is responsible for this new-found interest in the former Dracula.
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What does a guy need with extra sith lords when he's got stormtroopers, deadly bounty hunters, a powerful apprentice and propoganda to all work against the jedi? I don't think there will be extra sith lords or dark jedi. I think Palpatine will set the Republic against them (label them as traitors, expose their "religion" as fake) and that will be more than enough. Bring out the hounds...
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I thought we were talking Episode II here? We had this TPM=good/bad debate before...as is happens, if FlickChick was talking about Episode I, then I disagree with the comments.
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haha, christopher lee, an 80 year old guy who was in some cheese horror movies five decades ago. who cares. as we know, it doesnt matter what actor is in star wars, itll still be ruined by a galaxy of muppets..oh, i mean aliens. silly muppets racing pods, and cute muppets doing silly things, and great accomplished actors reading silly lines to more silly muppets. and a movie made for kids , but we'll make it about galaxy-wide war and pain and honor and suffering, but we have to make it for kids so we'll fill it with cute muppets and silliness, but wait, it has to be serious, and there has to be planets and societies that die, but no violence, but we need fighter pilots dying, but no violence, but the themes have to be deep and dark, but somehow we need the kids to love it so we'll incorporate muppets, but no, we'll have saber battles and great machines of war, but the kids have to like it, we'll have a great emperor and corruption, but we cant really show it cause the kids have to see it. muppets, wait...oh...aaarghhh. just make a fucking serious, kickass movie george, the kids will loved it the first trilogy, and so did the adults. silly fucking muppets. hey george, either make a fucking saturday morning cartoon out of star wars like you have been, or make an actual set of epic movies.
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A set of films with progression. Lucas has said they get darker as they go along. The fact that a kid was a protagonist in TPM made that movie inherently child-like...but there was darkness in the movie. Not much, but hints of it. EPIII will be "very, very dark...not a happy movie by any stretch of the imagination". We'll see...
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The irony of making the next films darker is that while Lucas may/may not satisfy the fans, he expects the next two films to earn considerably less than TPM. I suppose he thinks many will be turned off by the movies.
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Stop worrying.
Just because there is no news on Christopher Walken doesn't mean that he's not doing it. I heard from a Walken family member, face to face, hours before it hit the Net, that he was going to do SW Ep2. He won't say what role he'll be doing, but, hopefully, me and mine can get you a scoop before there is an announcement from LFL. Interestingly enough, a lot of folks close to Mr. Walken found out on the Net and not from him personally that he was going to do it. Spies are everywhere, none of you are safe. -
That's the single best news I've heard all day.....and it hasn't been that bad of a day all told, (my box set of season 3 "Buffy" arrived today !)
Chris Lee in Ep 2, jeez, I was only watching "Dracula, Prince of Darkness" with my son on tape Friday, and discussing Lee v Lugosi in the AICN chat room on Saturday with a couple of like minded souls. I always thought it'd be cool to see him in a Star Wars film, after Peter Cushing appeared in the first ! Karma, man......strange fucking karma afoot here. -
Let's not start a "bash John Williams" thread. PLEASE!!! Metatron mentioned the fact that JW has "borrowed" from other composers and even himself. If you would like to debate music scores, then let me give you a lesson or two... Almost EVERY motion picture composer has borrowed from others. Not saying that it is right, but it definitely is not wrong. You said that he ripped Prokofiev and Holtz (should be HOLST, Gustav). So what. Apparently you have a limited understanding of how motion pictures are scored. If anyone was borrowed from most, it would have to be Alfred Newman (JW was his piano player/ copyist when he started and is still close to the Newman family), and Korngold. Let's not mention Bruce Broughton (Silverado) and Elmer Bernstein (Magnificent 7) ripping off Aaron Copeland. How do I know that, because Broughton and Bernstein TOLD us when we played a concert with them this spring. I have just had total disdain for people that try to rip on JW, since I was a sophomore at the USC School of Music and had a hack Jazz Composition grad student teach my Aural Skills class. He ripped on JW, but he couldn't write (or teach) worth SHIT!!!
Want to talk about scores, then talk to me. I don't know everything, but I have more than a basic level of knowledge.
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that I just downloaded that supercool Lee/Dracula pic as my new wallpaper......junior will flip when he sees it in the morning !
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has joined Patrick Sauriol's anti-AICN brigade. Just read over there a snippit on this very story, and they've taken the liberty to warn their readers about AICN's foul language and false information posts.
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I do not understand why all these Star Wars "fans" spend all day bitching and complaining that Star Wars sucks. If it sucks so much, why bother watching any of the movies?
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I'd have thought he'd be dragging his carcass around, giving us the benefit (?) of his whiney-ass droning about how he had the scoop first,or at the same time, or later, or his crybaby "no fair....no fair you all like Harry better than me" crap by now.
Damn right, you pathetic little bastard !
Oh, and TheFarce.net, they can kiss talkback Whackpack ass too !
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I'm sure Harry feels really gratified that you have your lips firmly planted on his huge ass!
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Jun 12, 2000 5:06:35 PM CDT
So...er...ummm...I'm confused here...Does this news mean that Ch
by mully4ever
I hope the same guy who told you about Smits didn't give you this info.
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Jun 12, 2000 5:10:00 PM CDT
Lee will play Anakin's father...no wait..Palpatine IS Anakin's f
by mully4ever
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Personally, I think Boba Fett and the mandalorians are getting way too much attention...more than they deserve. Boba Fett is not THAT cool...he is only a third rate character with very little relevance in the STAR WARS universe that many people like just because he has a cool armor. But lately I've been hearing all these roumors that the Mandalorians will help Darth Sidious to wipe the Jedi out, and that I think is just stupid, and it decreases the coolness of the Jedi. Let's give Boba Fett a rest and hope Episode II is every bit as dark as Empire.
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Can someone explain the deal with spelling George Lucas' name with an "$" replacing the 's'? I've noticed this with 'Micro$oft' also. Is this some kind of half-assed geek boy put down? I hope I'm filthy, rotten, stinking rich enough someday that someone chooses that method to"in$ult" me!
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...Count Maul!!
I didn't really scan all of the Talkbacks to see if someone had mentioned this already.
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I KNOW WHAT YOU PEOPLE ARE THINKING,COULD THIS BE WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WAITIN FOR!!!I SAY HELL NO!!!!DONT FORGET THE NEW FORMULA MAKE IT CUTE!REMEMBER THE FUCKING STUPED EWOKS,REMEMBER THAT DUMB,"LOOK WHAT WE CAN DO WITH C.G.I."FUCKING JARJAR BINKS,I HATE THE MOTHER FUCKER THAT DREAMED UP THAT LOAD OF SHIT!!!DONT BELIVE THE HIPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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A friend of a friend of a friend of a SON of a BITCH told me face 2 face that he will play Jar Jarz twin brother his name"JAR JAR WHAT A SHITY FUCKIN CHARACTER 2 FROW INTO ANOTHER STAR WARZ MOVIE" Cool name hu? IM OUTTY!!!
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I hope this one doesn't blow as much as the 1st episode. I mean, the only thing that saved this movie was the Pod racing and the sabers. If i wasnt a fan of Starwars then this movie would have sucked the bone majorly.
Oh, Senator Palpatine = Emperor.
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Jun 12, 2000 6:06:07 PM CDT
A hardy thanks to you all! With your combined efforts (and a li
by superninja
Due to the bashing that the character Jar Jar Binks took in TPM, Lucas wanted to have all the fans give him another chance to do right by Star Wars. Yes, yes, that's right, folks...Jar Jar Binks will be voiced by none other than horror legend Mr. Christopher Lee. Let's all embrace the character we all love to hate and give him the good 'ol college try!
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One of the greatest swordfights in cinema was between Christopher Lee's Richelieu and Michael York's D'Artagnan in The Four Musketeers. One of the few to rival the lightsaber battle in Episode 1. What has this to do with this talkback? I have no idea.
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Jun 12, 2000 7:22:53 PM CDT
Why doesn't Todd step up since everyone is bitin' his style?
by superninja
It's like everyone thinks they're Monica Lewinsky, and their 15 minutes isn't up yet. What new "celebrity" will emerge from the AICN TalkBacks?
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First, the ubercool Peter Cushing (rest in peace) in Star Wars, now Christopher Lee! That's so more ubercool! Methinks he's going to play as the long gone dead Sith Lord as the spirit of Sithdom.
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First, the ubercool Peter Cushing (rest in peace) in Star Wars, now Christopher Lee! That's so more ubercool! Methinks he's going to play as the long gone dead Sith Lord as the spirit of Sithdom.
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intercourse
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But couldn't Lucas find SOME role for Joey Buttafuoco?
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...featuring Garrett Morris
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Wouldn't you know it, America's favorite young doctor has been selected by George Lucas to fill the legendary armor of Boba Fett. I wouldn't beleive it either, but it sure is alot funnier than alot of other stuff that is posted on this talkback. Just remeber you heard it here first. Oh,I almost forgot, Regis Philbin has been cast as the new Sith apprentice...watch out Kathie Lee....this casting gets bettr and better...Go Luca$!!!!!!!!!!
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Just confiremd that Prince has landed the role of Lando's dad in Ep2...now that is one downpour of Purple Rain
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What the hell's his name?
Ya, I think He would make a good Silvermane. Ya know, from the Cloak and Dagger storyline. From Amazing I think.
That old fuck who never seems to die. That would be it though. No one would touch that with a ten foot pole. Not to bring Spider man onto the silver screen for the first time.
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You might've been a little...uh...vitriolic in the presentation, but it's always nice when someone can actually quote a reliable source. Of course, even though the info appears in a Lucas-approved book, I wouldn't say it's etched in stone as canon, but it sounds very likely. On a side note, smearing people for not reading enough doesn't pack very much punch when the book you're quoting is a novelization of a space opera movie. No offense intended, but "Star Wars" books don't seem the best candidates for promoting literacy. Anyway, you still win the award for having the best source. Peace to all you angry Star Wars people. I'll go back to lurking now. Never figured fans of such a fun series of films could be so cranky...
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Since the revoltingly disappointing Phantom Menace way back in 1999, I can honestly tell the world that I look feverishly more forward to a new James Bond movie than a new star wars movie. That is total truth.
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Let's see... There are only two Sith, and by Ep 4, there are only two Jedi... Yeah, that pretty much takes care of that. ***** Oh, and what might Mr. Lee play (if true) in E2? Gee, I guess SOMEBODY has to run the cloning machine... Shades of the aforementioned Gremlins 2. Boy talk about Designer Jeans!
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Holy shit! I'm first! I can't fucking believe it! This makes my day believe you me! Wow... what to say? Well I think Christopher Lees was a good actor in his day, but now I believe him to be 'Cancer Personified'. That's not to say he couldn't handle the amount of work or emoting the role of Grand Moff Tarkin would require. However, I do wonder how he'll stroke his sausage till the mustard squirts out. Well, till next time darlings, I'M FIRST!!!!
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Who was the idiot that said he talked to a member of Christopher Walken's family? Rrrrrrright. I don't think so, dude.
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But it won't mean shit if the script isn't there, I mean look at the stats on Ep One, they had Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Ian McDiarmid, Anthony Daniels and even the great Terence Stamp, yeah, fine, looks good on paper, whatever...however there just wasn't any character or real sense of cool or adventure inherent in the script. Now before you ep one lovers get your backs up hold off, I'm not an ep one basher, I thought it was an adequate piece of box office fluff, supremely flawed and oh so slight, but watchable enough, however it was a definite disappointment when compared to the previous (future) trilogy, I mean I even loved Return Of The Jedi, despite all the fucking muppets, but this one just wasn't that much fun, and the script (Oh, the script), was frankly pants. Here's hoping the next one actually has a decent script (and that Lucas allows someone do spit and polish his work, because given the evidence of Ep One he sure as shit needs it), because fact is without a working and fun script and effective characters then the best actors in the world won't be able to save it from certain mediocrity. I hope it's good but I aint holding my breath waiting for the original magic to return, and maybe thats a good thing. Thats my opinion anyways.
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amidala marries organa(walken/byrne/jude law/etc, anakin and kenobi are jealous, anakin slays organa (or hires boba fett, who introduces him to the much talked about mandolarians(with c.lee as leader/either in it as him or a voice), now kenobi and yoda cannot forgive him for betraying his feelings, so banish him from being a jedi, kenobi/anakin fight it outwith anakin getting his ass kicked, and joining empire/mandolarians who clone bits of him/make him into Vader. its not difficult.
although Lee as darth maul's father/maul clone is funnier, with prince as landos dad coming close...pity olly reed popped his clogs, he could reprise his role as wolfman....although george is probably picking thru gladiator offcuts to work some CGI shit on him...oh, and new order will soundtrack with bizarre love triangle...out. -
He seems to be in all the best movies, LOTR, Episode two, great.Please dont let him die, cryogenically freeze him or something.Also, wasnt there a rumour about him being in a remake of The Devil Rides out, playing the Duc De Richleau again.That would kick ass (except of course Charles Gray wouldnt be in it)
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This tall, mean looking excuss of a man is in EPISODE 2?
WOW! he scares the living day lights out of, so hopefully he can give some real mean attitude to Star Wars.
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This is impossible. Harry is stating that Lee will be playing Tarkin. "First it was Van Helsing...". Peter Cushing, who played Tarkin in A New Hope, played Van Helsing several years before. Lee CANNOT play Tarkin. Christopher Lee is 78 years old, and looks 78 years old. If Tarkin is 78 in Ep II then he would be 100 years old in Ep IV. Sorry, but he just ain't that old. The actor selected to play Tarkin in Ep II will probably be 35-40 years old, making Tarkin in his late sixties in ANH. Either Harry's source has no idea what role he'd be playing or, MUCH more likely, Harry was just given yet another patently false Ep II scoop...
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How exactly does the comment you quoted, or anything in what Harry posted, "state" that Lee will be playing Tarkin? It doesn't state that. It doesn't imply that. It doesn't even hint at it in the most subtle, obscure, crossword clue kind of a way. All he's saying is that Cushing was in a Star Wars film, and now Lee supposedly will be as well. That's it. That's all there is there. That's all that I would have thought anyone could conceivably have read from it. The suggestion that Lee might be playing Tarkin exists nowhere outside the confines of your own skull. Possibly if you tried thinking for just half a second before bad-mouthing somebody you wouldn't wind up looking such an idiot.
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Star Wars rules! Ep.2 will rock with or without your bitter,bitching dumb asses. You should all get down on your hands and knees and thank Lucas for making another film after all of the stupid shit you talk! Ep.1 is a work of art! Think for just a moment ... Hmm a movie with about 20 diffrent chatures involved in a plot centering on the domination of a planet. Wow thats heavy. The preformaces are dead pan for a reason. The plot must move forward. Liam cant steal scenes from Natilie and Jar Jar. in fact if you would watch the movie you would realize Qui Gon drives the entire film and that his death is a big deal. So by now you may have come to the realzation that SW will never be the violent, bloody, tit fest your little black hart desires. Go rent Bad luitenient. You'll love it.
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Sure, Yoda might not mean that there are only two Sith at any given time, but check out the Episode 1 Visual Dictionary. It quite clearly states that the Sith is an order that exists in only two beings at a time...apparently the Sith were a huge group of evil Jedi that took to fighting amongst themselves, so some guy called Darth Bane remade it as a two-member club. God I'm such a geek. Of course, Lucas might not give a rat's ass about the visual dictionary, which means there could be lots of Sith (personally, I think this is the way to go...)
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I really hope and pray that whatever the storyline is, whoever is acting, whatever FX are used, that the film is one thing....simply AWESOME!!!!
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Christopher Lee could be the best sign that Lucas is returning to the b-movie, Saturday matinee serial roots of the original Star Wars. It all depends on the script. Now what would make me very happy would be someone dropping a hint in Ron Howard's ear that Mr. Lee would be the perfect person to narrate Grinch, in an affectionate nod to Karloff...
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What makes you think the film WON'T be better. Sure, I'm as cautious as the next person...but far from being level-headed and realistic, some are plainly ranting. 41267 (or whatever your name was), I agree, Qui-Gon did drive a lot of TPM forward. I actually like his dead-pan attitude. I can't help but laugh when he says "Be wary: I sense a disturbance in the Force.", not because I think it's a joke, or a bad line but because it's just a typical Star Wars-type line.
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You mean the same christopher Lee who has been in every B-Movies since WWII? I heard he is playing Wookie number 4: "Old Wookie". I have a new lead for the Episode II coverage:
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Jun 13, 2000 1:44:26 PM CDT
Thanks for TPM novelization passage -- I've been trying to get p
by superninja
There will only be two sith at any time throughout all the SW films. It seems pretty clear to me from the film and the novelization. Also, killing off the jedi is not what balances the universe. The balance is not created by 2 sith and 2 jedi. It is simply Anakin killing Palpatine. TPM indicates Anakin was concieved by midichlorians (I know, I know...), than he is the Chosen One, and that his whole purpose in existing is to balance the force. This occurs when HE KILLS PALPATINE IN ROTJ. That's it. There is no, "oh, we must even up the numbers." I think what will be interesting over the next two films is to see where Lucas decides to make his destiny come into play. Did Anakin have to become Vader to get close enought to Palpatine to destroy him? Was allowing the Empire to be formed necessary? And the concept I find most outstanding is -- did Anakin have the opportunity to kill Palpatine sooner, but instead gives into his greed and becomes a sith?
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As it happens, in the interviews with Jake Lloyd where dim-witted interviewers asked the boy what was like to play an "evil person", he always said something to the effect of "He's really a good guy, because he brings balance by killing the Emporer". You raise some excellent points!
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Great news, this. However Lee has a tendency to completely steal any scene he's in. If he'd been in episode 1 he would have made Ewan and Liam look a right pair of wankers so expect him to have a really naff part. Forget about him being a "dark" character - might endanger the Happy Meals franchise.
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Even if this is only for voice-over work, this is a great move. Lee has the coolest bass voice EVER (only James Earl Jones is in the same category). The walls will be rumbling in every THX-equipped theater in 2002.
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Good Dorken ref there.
But that's definatly cool, Lee can be tge Peter Cushing (sp?) of Ep 2...I duno who he could play, i could see Bail Organa, but he might be a wee bit to old, definatly not a Younger Tarken though...
Chris Walkin, who i actaully met the other week (fimling a movie her in halifax, came into the store i work at), i asked him if he's heard about the rumors of him being offered a part in ep 2...he just laughted and that was that...ah well -
Is it just me, or is this an interesting coincidence...?
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Christopher Lee, like poor old Chancellor Zod, will be the splendid cheesecake floating in the vomit-filled soup tureen that is going to be Episode II. Why the obvious and expected failure? Nutshell: No Larry Kasdan at the typewriter. Instead you've got George and his plumber's helper with a ranch full of toadies and yes-folk telling him how great his last bowel movement was. GL cares about one thing - whether his house full of Codys and Cassidies have any more stupid toys to play with that they can name. Jar-Jar! What was he, drunk that night? I wonder if they can pop the Darth Maul heads off and replace them with Chris Lee faces?
Jeez - remember waiting *16* years for the next Star Wars movie? Now, I'm just *dreading* it. Thanks George, for taking my favorite movie series and turning it into a Toys 'R' Us infomercial.
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I'm pretty sure he'll be a youger Tarkin. But he could also be a senator aiding Palpatine (there's someone like that mentioned in Zahn's latest StarWars books). It's unlikely (but far from impossible) that he'll be Thrawn...
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Alright first off, I will have to tell you of an experience I had when I watched Star Wars with a Japanese person. Now we all know George Lucas was inspired by the Kurosawa films and all but this is exactly what gets so many Japanese people so excited about Star Wars. Just because George Lucas like the Japanese culture and used the term "Jedi" based on the Japanese term "Jedai-Geki" for the term of elite samurai or Japanese warrior and because the "Jedai-Geki" followed the Bushido code which is similar to the Jedi code, they (Japanese people) believe Star Wars is something that completely originated from the Japanese culture. First off, when I watched The Phantom Menace with my Japanese buddy (Mr. Namba) I simply commented that Obi-Wan is a badass. All I said was, "Damn, he's a bad-ass, going in a fight as a Padawan against a Sith and not caring about getting killed." Mr. Namba immediately said, "You think he's a bad-ass huh? You like his pony-tail?" I said, "Yeah that too, but I just like how he just goes into every situation with determination. Remember how he said to Captain Panaka 'I'll deal with that.' Damn, that just showed how he was a badass." Mr. Namba continued, "Yeah but you like his pony tail eh? You know, that's Japanese." ALRIGHT RIGHT THERE AND THEN I SHUT THE DAMN VCR OFF AND I LOOKED AT MY BUDDY IN HIS FACE AND JUST LOOKED AT HIM LIKE HE WAS BEING A JACKASS. There I was trying to enjoy my movie and this guy tries to imprint the image of Japanese culture on Obi-Wan Kenobi, who may perhaps be the best representation for everything that Star Wars stood for. I was furious cos all I knew was that I was watching my movie, and all of a sudden, this egocentrical person steps in to talk about his culture like it was the best. ALRIGHT FIRST OF ALL, EVERYTHING THAT THE JAPANESE CULTURE HAS DEVELOPED HAD ITS INITIAL TIES TO CHINA. WHERE DO U THINK THEY GOT THEIR LANGUAGE LITERATURE, ART, CLOTHES, EVERYTHING EXCEPT THEIR TASTE FOR RAW FOOD. SECOND, DO NOT ALL JEDI'S USE STRAIGHT SWORDS? WAS THERE EVER ONCE, A JEDI THAT USED A CURVED LOOKING LIGHTSABER OR A KATANA. NOOOO! ALL JEDI'S SWORDS ARE STRAIGHT AND THAT DETERMINES THEIR ACCURACY, SWING, BLOCKING TECHNIQUES, ETC. HAD A JEDI'S LIGHTSABER BEEN CURVED AS IS CHARACTERISTIC OF ALL SAMURAI SWORDS, WUT U SEE IN THE MOVIE WOULD NOT BE THE SAME IN TERMS OF THEIR ACCURACY, SWING, BLOCKING TECHNIQUES, ETC. THIRD, OBI-WAN KENOBI'S HAIR STYLE INCLUDING ITS PONY-TAIL IS DEFINITELY NOT JAPANESE IN NATURE. SURE THERE ARE SUCH THINGS CALLED SAMURAI PONY TAILS AND U CAN ALWAYS CATCH A GLIMPSE OF THEM ON THE SAMURAI'S FEATURED IN KUROSAWA'S FILMS AS WELL AS OLD JAPANESE SAMURAI FILMS THAT FEATURE ZATOICHI: THE BLIND MASSEUSE THAT SAVES THE DAY. BUT U GOTTA BE MORE CAREFUL TO SEE THAT IT IS STILL NOT THE SAME AS OBI-WAN'S. SAMURAI PONY TAILS ARE ALWAYS STICKING STRAIGHT OUT OF A SAMURAI'S HEAD BECAUSE IT IS BUNDLED TOO TIGHTLY AND IT COMES OUT AS A TUFT OF HAIR DIVERGING IN NUMEROUS DIRECTIONS. PLAY "TENCHU" THE PLAYSTATION GAME USING THE GIRL AND YOU WILL KNOW WUT I MEAN. OR IT'S ALWAYS TOO SHORT AND TOO HIGH UP IN THE CRANIAL AREA SO IT MAKES A SAMURAI LOOK LIKE A GORILLA THAT HAS A SAGGITARRIAL CREST RATHER THAN A BADASS. OR IF YOU LOOK AT "GOLDENBOY" A JAPANESE ANIME, YOU WILL SEE THAT GOLDENBOY HAS A PONYTAIL THAT IS FAIRLY LONG BUT RIGHT SMACK DOWN AT THE PLACE WHERE THE NECK IS SO THAT FROM BEHIND, GOLDEN BOY LOOKS LIKE HE HAS A CUTE LITTLE SQUIRREL ON HIS HEAD. SOMETIMES A SAMURAI SHAVES HIS HEAD AND THEN LEAVES A PONY-TAIL BUT THEN IT GIVES A DUMBASS EFFECT LIKE "PRINCE XIZOR" FROM THE CHRONICLES OF STAR WARS: SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE. FINALLY, THERE IS THE MATTER OF ATTIRE. JEDI'S WEAR A FLOWING ROBE WITH LONG WIDE SLEEVES. IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS MOVIES THAT INVOLVE STRAIGHT SWORDS, A GOOD ONE WOULD BE "THE DUEL", YOU WILL ACTUALLY SEE THAT OBI-WAN LOOKS ENTIRELY LIKE A CHARACTER OR WARRIOR THAT COULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE ANCIENT SOCIETY THAT ONCE DOMINATED CHINA. So let me recap, 1) Japanese people copy Chinese people 2) Lightsabers are straight like the antique straight swords that can be found in China and are not curved 3) The Japanese pony tail that Mr. Namba refered to probably looked like crap (cos it was basically bad imitation off of the Chinese) and comparable to Prince Xizor's pony tail while 4) During the times of ancient China, Chinese warriors dressed in the same exact fashion as Obi-Wan Kenobi did and 5) fashioned their hair style including their pony-tail in the exact , shape, length, and location as Obi-Wan Kenobi did. ALL THAT REMAINS FOLKS IS THAT JEDIS STILL HAVE TO BE CALLED JEDIS SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS FOR THE SAKE OF CONTINUITY EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE BASICALLY CHINESE IN NATURE AND OBI-WAN KENOBI WHILE I DO ADMIT SOUNDS A BIT LIKE JAPANESE HAS TO REMAIN THAT WAY FOR CONTINUITY EVEN THOUGH HE IS CHINESE. OOPS I FORGOT TO MENTION ABOUT FORCE OR IN CHINESE TERMS "CHI-KUNG" AND BELIEVE ME THAT WHOLE ORDEAL WITH QUI-GON JINN TAKING ON ONLY ONE APPRENTICE, THAT'S FROM AN ANCIENT CHINESE PHILOSOPHY THAT IF YOU HAVE MORE, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO TEACH THEM FULLY SINCE YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO CONCENTRATE YOUR FULLEST EFFORTS ON ONE PADAWAN AND THEN ANOTHER WHICH IS NOT EFFICIENT AT ALL AND MAY CAUSE JEALOUSY AS YOU HAVE SEEN IN OBI-WAN'S EYES AS WELL AS ANAKIN'S. HOWEVER, SITH IS DIFFERENT. BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE VIOLENT IN NATURE AND HAVE ALREADY DEVOTED THEMSELVES TO THE DARK SIDE, THE JEALOUS APPRENTICES WOULD SIMPLY DUEL TO THE DEATH AND THAT IS WHY THE RULE CAME ABOUT, "NO MORE, NO LESS, A MASTER AND AN APPRENTICE." FURTHERMORE, I BELIEVE GEORGE LUCAS IN HIS EARLIER YEARS, CLEARLY, I REPEAR, CLEARLY WAS JAPANESE WASHED. HAVE U EVER HEARD OF POKEMON? A BETTER QUESTION WOULD BE WHO HASN'T HEARD OF POKEMON. OK. THERE U GO, THE JAPANESE HAVE A WAY WITH JAPANESE-WASHING PEOPLE'S MINDS. ALSO, WHY DO YOU THINK HE HIRED A CHINESE PERSON TO CREATE THE PRE-PRODUCTION PAINTINGS USED TO DIRECT THE LOOK OF THE MOVIE BEFORE IT WAS EVER SHOT? DOUG CHIANG NOT ONLY PAINTED 1000 PAINTINGS FOR THE PRODUCTION OF EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE ( A WHOPPING 33% OUT OF THE PAINTINGS TOTAL CREATED BY THE ART DEPARTMENT) BUT HE EVEN HEADED THE ART DEPARTMENT ENTIRELY AND EXACTLY FOR THE MATTER OF NEWLY RECONSTRUCTING THE LOOK OF STAR WARS. WITH ALL THOSE JAPANESE ANIMATORS OUT THERE WHY DOESN'T HE JUST HIRE SOME OF THEM? DOESN'T HE WANT A JAPANESE LOOK FOR HIS STAR WARS FILMS? CLEARLY, GEORGE LUCAS IS NOT STUPID AND CLEARLY HE IS NOT JAPANESE WASHED ANYMORE WHICH IS WHY HE HIRED A CHINESE ART DIRECTOR. THIS IS ALSO BECAUSE GEORGE LUCAS UNDERSTANDS THAT JEDI'S ARE BASICALLY CHINESE ENTAILING THAT IT IS ONLY RIGHT TO GIVE THE JOB TO SOMEONE LIKE DOUGH CHIANG TO DRAW UPON HIS CHINESE CULTURE. FURTHER MORE SINCE HE ALLOWED DOUG CHIANG TO DO MOST OF THE WORK, THE PHANTOM MENACE LOOKED EXACTLY WORD FOR WORD AND PAINTBRUSH STROKE FOR PAINTBRUSH STROKE LIKE HIS PAINTINGS, RESULTING IN A GENUINELY CHINESE FEEL AND EXPERIENCE WHEN U WATCH TPM. OR MAYBE GEORGE LUCAS IS STILL JAPANESE WASHED BUT HE IS WILLING TO CORRECT HIS MISTAKES BECAUSE STAR WARS IS HIS ENTIRE LIFE AND HE CAN'T BE LIVING A LIE LIKE "STAR WARS IS INSPIRED BY THE JAPANESE CULTURE" FOR HIS ENTIRE LIFE WHICH IS THE EXACT REASON WHY HE HIRED DOUG CHIANG. AGAIN I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THAT EVERYTHING THAT SEEMS JAPANESE IN STAR WARS AFTER "RETURN OF THE JEDI" OR I SHOULD RATHER SAY EVERYTHING STARTING FROM "STAR WARS: EPISODE I - THE PHANTOM MENACE" IS SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONTINUITY. THE WORDS JEDI, OBI-WAN KENOBI, AND YODA. I MEAN SERIOUSLY FOLKS, OBI-WAN KENOBI WOULD STILL BE AS CHINESE AND BADASS AS THE MEANEST JEDI THAT EVER LIVED EVEN IF HIS NAME WAS JAR JAR, YOU GET THE IDEA. AND YOU CAN CALL THE JEDI, WITH A FRATERNITY NAME LIKE, "ATO OR ATL OR KAPPA-ALPHA," AND THEY'D STILL BE AS CHINESE, MYSTERIOUS, CODIFIED, AND ELITE AS THEY ALWAYS WERE. ALL IM SAYING IS OBI-WAN KENOBI IS CHINESE BECAUSE FOR THE MOST OBVIOUS REASONS: HE LOOKS CHINESE AND HE USES A STRAIGHT LIGHTSABER NOT A CURVED ONE, ANAKIN SKYWALKER IS CHINESE UNTIL HE TURNED INTO DARTH VADER THAT LOOKS LIKE A JAPANESE SAMURAI WITH THAT BIG WIDE HELMET, YODA AND EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL IS CHINESE, EVERY SINGLE JEDI IS CHINESE COS THEY USE THE FORCE, YES EVEN THE SITH ARE CHINESE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRAINED IN THE JEDI ARTS AND THEY FOLLOW A GREAT DEAL OF CHINESE PHILOSOPHY. I'D SAY THE ONLY JAPANESE CHARACTERS YOU WILL FIND WITHIN THE STAR WARS UNIVERSE ARE THE NEMOIDIANS AND THEIR OBSESSIONS WITH EXPORTING THEIR GOODS=ANALAGOUS TO THE JAPANESE BULK SELLING THEIR SPORTS CARS TO THE US. THE MANDALORIANS ARE JAPANESE WITH THEIR SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY=ANALAGOUS TO ADVANCED JAPANESE ELECTRONICS LIKE SONY AND PLAYSTATION 2. ALSO DARTH VADER AND POSSIBLY QUI-GON JINN BECAUSE THEY BOTH SIT DOWN ON THE FLOOR AND MEDITATE TOO MUCH. OH AND LOOK AT MASTER QUI-GON JINN'S BEARD, THAT DEFINITELY LOOKS JAPANESE. JUST GO TO THE GETTYSBURG MUSEUM AND YOU WILL SEE JAPANESE PORCELEIN ART AND SCULPTURES FEATURING JAPANESE NATIVE MEN HAVING GROTESQUE AND BUSHY BEARDS AS WELL AS SUPER LONG HAIR THAT THEY NEVER WASH.
Ray: The stormtroopers were NOT supossed to be Jedi's you numbnuts. Not everyone with a lightsaber is a Jedi.
Sender: False, George Lucas believes that anyone in his Star Wars films who fights with a lightsaber is because they have extraordinary skill, power, and elegance as opposed to those that use blasters. Stormtroopers used blasters but they were initially drawn with lightsabers and that is very subjective. They could have been a Jedi's match (being able to fight with one entails particular training), per se, but because they finally became analagous with blasters shows that they have less skill, power, and elegance as opposed to Jedi's. All I was saying was those having extraordinary skill, power, and elegance were characters free of a predetermined look. And even if Jedi's were meant to be geared towards a Japanese look (entailing that it was predetermined), than obviously those that believe so (including George Lucas) are falsifying what is called the "truth." The "truth" is that Jedi's look Chinese in origin. I call it as I see them.
Ray: Then you say "Darth vader is definitely samurai like with his helmet so i am not racist."
Sender: That is the truth. In fact, Darth Vader was supposed to have a completely samurai looking helmet with a cloth as a face mask but because Ralph said that Star Wars is futuristic, Lucas thought the technological face mask was a brilliant idea.
Ray: Then you say : "Furthermore, the new obi design far surpasses the old one making him look a lot more sleeker, faster, and daring in design" Geee, would that be because he is YOUNGER now?...Young people and Old people dress differently you know, but still his Costume is practically unchanged.
Sender: You are only catering to what I have been saying all along. Hell, Qui-Gon Jinn was perhaps as near as Obi-Wan Kenobi's age when he was in A New Hope. However, he wore the same costume design Obi did in The Phantom Menace and he looks just as sleek, fast, and daring as Obi. However, Qui-Gon may have looked fast but he wasn't. On the other hand, Obi-Wan Kenobi in A New Hope for all we know died because he let it be. With his age, he had become a great master and he was probably hiding more that we can ever imagine (hell when he died, he was still appearing here and there!) but he certainly looked weak in A New Hope and that's not just because he had wrinkles on his face. His costume inside and out looked very sluggish in A New Hope than when compared to the better Chinese version in The Phantom Menace.
Ray: "Wut is even more intriguing is that Ralph and Doug have been known to work closely together during the design phase and so the original Obi look had been slowly transformed to a chinese look. " Ralph McQuarrie retired from the bussiness, the only access Dough had to McQuarrie was through his paintings.
Sender: No, I am pretty sure that they have become good friends and they analyze each others paintings regardless of whether or not Ralph retired (this isn't construction work). Furthermore, Doug tries to live up to Ralph's paintings through their simple presence, objectiveness, vivid colors, and realism that they convey for Star Wars which isn't too sci-fi but rather with an Earthly feel. Doug may have drawn from his Chinese culture (or Chinese culture research from a simple library) to give Star Wars a historical feel to the Jedi from Chinese origins. What Doug Chiang does not do is copy Ralph McQuarrie for his designs and for obvious reasons, this is the prequel trilogy we are talking about and from what I have seen, there has been very little continuity in terms of design in The Phantom Menace in regards to the original trilogy and I hope it remains that way.
Ray: This is not about pride, it's about customs. Doug confessed he knows very little from the Chinese culture, because he is an U.S. citizen and never been to china or anything.
Sender: You don't have to go there in order to be educated about such a culture or any other culture for that matter.
Ray: I think it is pretty obvious you have issues against the Japanese culture, and that my friend, is what we call R-A-C-I-S-M.
Sender: I am not, I simply call it as I see them.
Ray: But you still say you're not racist...how about comments like these, from your previews email "DARTH VADER AND POSSIBLY QUI-GON JINN BECAUSE THEY BOTH SIT DOWN ON THE FLOOR AND MEDITATE TOO MUCH.
Sender: There is a Japanese word for such meditation when you kneel down like that. Something like Hama-kiri.
Ray: Further, you said, "OH AND LOOK AT MASTER QUI-GON JINN'S BEARD, THAT DEFINITELY LOOKS JAPANESE. JUST GO TO THE GETTYSBURG MUSEUM AND YOU WILL SEE JAPANESE PORCELEIN ART AND SCULPTURES FEATURING JAPANESE NATIVE MEN HAVING GROTESQUE AND BUSHY BEARDS AS WELL AS SUPER LONG HAIR THAT THEY NEVER WASH. "
Sender: That is definitely true. The Japanese were strict as hell in the Shogunate days 1590-1750. They didn't wash their hair and they grew bushy beards as a sign of masculinity.
I do admit that I rant but it is only for Star Wars that I do this since Star Wars is perhaps the only thing that uses a lot of historical background in its making and I can't help but feeling held back when people just falsify the truth for everyone else. I vent the truth sooner or later.
Ray: Star Wars shouldn't be tainted with the subject of race.
Sender: Star Wars would not be the same were it not for the history and the different cultures that numerous races have created over time. If you create something totally bizarre for Star Wars, it wouldn't look Star Wars. It would look too far-fetched like Babylon 5 or Star Trek.
Ray: I am glad you are proud of being of Chinese heritage, just don't take out your shortcomings as a person with other races.
Sender: You can call me a racist China-man all you want but I respect all races, cultures, and the whole human race. But it should be intrinsic for anyone to sense whether someone is just being egocentric or just telling it like it really is.
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May 30, 2001 5:42:01 AM CDT
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