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And what technique of fighting will Anakin implement' SWE2 news!
Hey folks... Here's a spy up north with eyes on the training of young Skywalker... Hayden... we will watch your training with much interest! Muhahahahahaha, Here's the scoop....
Harry,
Some more interesting news in the world of Episode II,
this time about Hayden Christensen. The new Anakin has
been training with a few different trainers, thats
nothing new.
But on may 23rd, I got a call from my friend in the
industry to come to Najems Training Gym (in Ottawa,
Canada.)
Though we were not allowed in the main part, we
scuttled around to the back where we made our way
through the offices. From the offices window we could
see the training room with Hayden and Sayed Najem, an
Olympic Tae Kwon Do champion.
I know nothing about Tae Kwon Do, but I can say the
moves they were doing were very aggressive types.
Hayden was learning mostly how to block several (what
look like big bamboo sticks to me) several attacks
quickly. They did that and they practices beginning
stances. Im sure this will much more interesting when
added with Lightsabers.
And so, I've also included these pictures from the
local paper (as evidence) seeing as how no one would
be believe me otherwise. Its interesting cause the
clipping has quotes from Sayed about training Anakin.
Enjoy, when I hear more than so shall you.
With the Final Word, Im Dash101
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I've read Hayden Christensen has is 6'1 and if this report is true it looks like he will be opening heapum helpings of whup azz on all those who oppose him!
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Wtf is up with Jimmy Smits?
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Has it never occured to anyone to NOT need to know every little titbit of information about the upcoming films? Everyone knew the plot, characters and script to The Phantom Menace before it was even released! Doesn't that spoil the fun a little? When we were kids and watching the original trilogy we didn't know hardly anything about who or what the films were about and wasn't that more fun? Call me old fashioned but I still love the element of surprise (e.g. The 6th Sense) in movies and not have it ruined by fanboys so intent on posting their 'news' and then going to their rooms and jerking off over it. No wonder George Lucas keeps everything under wraps, it's a pity he doesn't do it better.
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wipe on wipe off.. five days ... typical and on track to being the next Van Damme.
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Fuck it. It's over. Any notion that Episode 2 is going to be less fanboy oriented than Episode 1 has gone bye bye. If any of Emperor George's lackeys view this board ask him what happened to Story and Character and why he has choosen favors effects and fighting moves over what were the most important factors in the first trilogy. But I guess that's what you do when you have got a billion dollars. You lose your passion for what you must PROVIDE (quality writing, inventiveness, and quasi-origniality) and you only rely on what you can BUY (effects, actors, and martial artists). Sad shit, my brothers, sad shit.
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Te Kwon Do, for those not in the know, is a Korean martial Art, distinctive in that it tends to specialise in kicking techniques of virtually every kind, eg roundhouse, hook kicks, spinning heel kicks, jumping spinning heel kicks, and so on. Legend has it that this kicking emphasis came about due to unhorsed Korean infantry needing a way to de-horse charging cavalry! Now THAT's something I'd like to see onscreen. Very spectacular to watch when performed by experts, so I can see why Georgie-Porgie wants this in SWII. I just hope he leaves the choreography in the hands of an expert, or we'll have a Van Damme situation where the bad guy stands there waiting while Jean Claude winds up, shows us how beautiful his mid-air splits are, then deliver a jumping spinning kick, which the bad guy, still waiting, watches right on to his chin. Movie magic? (**snort** of derision)
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Just because Hayden Christensen is being trained in martial arts based upon Tae Kwon Do, doesnt mean that we'll see this come across on the big screen. He's probably just being taught the basics so he doesnt completely fuck up on screen and look like a idiot.
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...colin hanks was being trained up in 'scissors paper stone'. Lightsaber beats flopy ears, jar jar! phuck your 'best-out-of-3' pleading... who's yer daddy now? BYE.
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Interesting because TKD doesn't have a lot of weapons. The "Kwon" is typically interpreted from the Korean as "hand" or "to intercept with the hand," and it's an open-hand technique. But the moves are typically very aggressive and fast--none of this long, drawn out Hollywood choreographing with the opponents trading a million blows. The ideal TKD fight would be two moves: a block of your opponent's attack followed by a one kick or punch knockout. On another subject entirely, I'd really like to see Harry do a study of how many posts these SW talkbacks get vs. an average of the other subjects here--then we'd really see if there's a chance that SWII won't do $400 million in '02. I'm sure the results would be just as I figured--despite the complaints it's as popular as it ever was...
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How hard is it gonna be to teach Anakin to stand perfectly still and swing a lightsaber with both hands while bending only left to right at the waist? That's how Vader fights, right? Just like Batman in "Batman: Episode I". And when the cards are down for Vader, he just throws his lightsaber or chucks a couple crates and farts a fucking cyclone.
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Hell, I'm still hoping they'll clone Darth Maul and bring back Ray Park. The Jedi fight was the best damn part of that movie. Did ANYONE a ILM pay ANY attention the Mr. Park's fighting style????
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Hey, maybe you got banned because your a dick. Its possible. Now you say something back (and so on...).
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Like Mr. Touchdown said here above, Tae Kwan Do doesn
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Jun 02, 2000 7:58:29 AM CDT
5 days of training ???? They trained 5 MONTHS for THE MATRIX !
by swissben
What kind of training is five days...???
This guy is gonna suck if he doesn't practice more...
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...or maybe you truly suck. BTW, I am going to cultivate within myself a not-even-gaurded optimism re: EPII. I have high hopes for the movie. I have faith in George Lucas, even when he let a line like "You mean I get to go with YOU in your STARSHIP?" see the light of a twin sun day.
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Maybe in some TKD organizations there are no weapon forms, but in the ATA there is nunchukas and stick forms for sure and a staff form eventually, I think...
Have any others of you watched Jackie Chan's Drunken Master II and Jet Li's Fist of Legend? Like the swordfight in Episode One...it was fun and all, but it would only equal one segement of the end fight in Drunken Master II...but the Duel of the Fates song was cool...and the light sabers were pretty...but I still was routing for Maul...simply because his make-up made him the most dynamic character in the movie...now Cruise's moves in MI:2...that was just silly! Hopefully Ep. II doesn't go that route... -
Hey Kids,
Calm down. Harry is not a black belt, as far as I know. But I am, and this whole martial arts training deal all makes complete sense to me, so I appreciate the articel very much.
The Olympic tae kwon do ("TKD")trainer is a korean stylist, and anyone of his caliber will take the time to learn more than just one style. So even though he is only known as a tae kwon do stylist, i am sure he knows more than just how to kick and punch.
Since TKD is a korean style, and he has already mastered it, then he has probably also studied the korean art of fencing, Kumdo. And those "bamboo sticks" they are talking about are called Shinai. They are tubular swords (like lightsabers) that are made of strips of bamboo that are usually bound together with strips of cloth or leather. They are shaped exactly like lightsabers, and the handle length is very similar to that of a lightsaber. The bamboo strips collapse upon each other when you strike someone with it, so you do not have to "pull any punches", and you are able to swing them at your target full force.
The ten hours of instruction and training were probably intended to let the actor memorize a variety of moves. Once the moves are memorized, they are probably going to be practiced over and over again, and the moves that he has learned will be strung together in combinations that are then choreographed.
This is just like memorizing lnes of dialogue. How long do you think it takes to memorize a few lines of dialogue? Do you think that actors don't spend hours practicing the way they will execute or deliver those lines, or vary the order that they are delivered in (to see what is the best way to deliver them) AFTER they are memorized? 10 hours of instruction is enough to provide him with hundreds of hours of practice and repetion, and will allow him to execute a variety of combinations on screen, if he is a good student. And the reason they spent so much time training for the matrix was the level of complexity and variety of techniques involved in the training scenes.
Believe me, after years of training in half a dozen martial arts, I can tell you that learning a few moves with a sword (but not MASTERING its use...) is much easier than any other kind of martial arts training.
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But it's always nice to wake up to Star Wars news. But this Sayed guy's name popped up on TFN two days ago. Fighting style, shmiting style. It'll be cool, no doubts there. The only thing I want to know is which of these rumored actors are actually in it. So we got Walken, Byrne, Yamaguchi, Smits, Darren Hayes, and Method Man playing Fett (wouldn't that be tre' cool?). Howsabout getting some confirmation on all this, eh, Harry? Furthermore, what ever happened to your 60% sure guy for Anakin: Jeff Garner? Will he be in it in one way or another?
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I'd have more confidence if the martial arts the actor was learning centered on the principles of the blade arts. Iaido, Kali/Escrima and Western combat fencing to name a few. Maybe the TKD instructor teaches a blade art as well, we'll see.
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Remember that old Star Wars game for Playstation called Masters of the Teras Kasi? Well I remember when the game came out someone who worked on the game said in an interview that the Teras Kasi Masters drew their power from the Force too. So basically they are Jedi but w/ Martial arts. The person also said that we would learn more about Teras Kasi in the prequel trilogy. That's what I make of Hayden learning TKD.
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Tae Kwon Do is derived from the traditional Korean martial-arts and is, essentially sports-biased. ie. there is a big emphasis on learning techniques for competition. As has been mentioned in previous posts, the kicks in Tae Kwon Do are the core of the system. However, there are other traditional Korean styles from which Tae Kwon do was derived. I personally gained my black-belt three years ago in a traditional Korean style - Tang Soo Do, under the World Tang Soo Do Association. The WTSDA's Grandmaster is Jae Chul Shin, who trained Chuck Norris to 1st Dan. In Tang Soo Do, we teach a variety of traditional weapons techniques, including staff, knife, sword and cane, aswell as all the unarmed techinques found in Tae Kwon Do. There are lots of "Tae Kwon Do" masters out there who originally started off under Tang Soo Do, and they would have knowledge of weapons techniques.
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I'm interested in finding out who's going to be in it and how far along in the process they are, but I'm going to do my best to avoid reading anything relating to the story!
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Maybe we should let master Lucas craft Episode 2 without the unending criticism that flows from the internet fanboys. Maybe we shouldn't spend all of our free time trying to find out every little detail about the films. Maybe we should go to the theater without knowledge of plot, costumes, casting, training, etc..., and just enjoy the film. Or maybe we should all remember what a piece of shit Lucas made with TPM and try our best, even though we're effectively powerless, to point out the idiocy and trite shit that Lucas seems likely to produce.
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Who cares anymore. Star Wars is dead! It has been dead since we first laid eyes on the Trade Federation battleship; when Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon Jinn first approached it at the start of the exercise in poor filmmaking and hyperactive marketing that was the Phantom Menace.
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Everyone be sure to check his post; no truer words were ever spoken.
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Taekwondo is probably the second most acrobatic martial art behind Wushu. I've trained for over 3 years now, ad it is definetly one of the best. Some kicks are high, flashy and very effective. (An inside cresent kick at close range followed by a jumping outside cresent to the head isn't something I sugest anyone experiance in their life) There are various weapons and swords (especially bows and short staffs) Plus dont' be suprised if little ol Annie busts out with a double saber. And oh yeah, worring about fighting style in a movie were everything is staged to look as good as possible is so worthless that I feel sick now... I just died in side
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You Lucas and Star Wars bashers can suck off and die.
A billion of us loved EP1. Some few fanboys here hated it and voice their opinions loudly.
WHO GIVES A SHIT what you think?
I will continue being the lemming and go see my beloved Star Wars movies no matter what anyone says or days. So will the billion other people that feel like me. So you are wasting your time bashing it.
And thats all I have to say on this crap.
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Tae kwon do is probably one of the most inneficiant and least showy martial arts. I've taken shito-ryu (an Americanized form of karate) for 11 years and many times I've sparred several owners and head instructors of tae kwon do dojos, and the art is just BAD. I mean, they leave themselves WAY open to attacks, their positioning keeps them from being able to block a strike well, and their stances are poorly balanced. Needless to say, I won every one of thos sparring matches. There IS, however, one thing that's even exponentially worse than tae kwon do. It's tae bo, by Billy Blowjob. ANYONE could kick his ass. God, what a fruit.
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Okay, now I'm bummed. At least in Ep1 the end fight scene was good. Now I'm going to be treated to a lot of Van-Damme-esque dance moves. The rules for sport TKD, which is to say, ALL TKD, say that you can't punch to the head, and I believe that groin shots are also not allowed.
Now, when you're watching a tournament and you want to see pretty kicks and stuff, that's all well and good. But when you want to see a great fight scene, ideally you want people who have a wide range of skills, from grappling and joint locks to boxing, along with those flashy kicks.
I don't know the trainer. I'm sure that if he's trained in for the Olympics for eight years, he's an excellent athlete. As a sport, TKD can be a lot of fun. But if you're really going for self-defense, it's better to train in something where you aren't reflex-trained to not use or block against a punch to the head. And if you're really going for a sweet fight scene, it's better to go with something that makes for a more broadly-skilled fighter.
Of course, I'm probably nitpicking. Most of the viewers have no martial arts experience, and will be really impressed by someone's ability to throw a roundhouse kick at someone else's head. Those of us who do will just have to cringe and hope that it's shot fast enough and edited decently so that we don't get another fight-scene fiasco like the one in MI:2. -
Jun 02, 2000 1:36:35 PM CDT
How is this kid, supposed to be the baddest Jedi ever, going to
by dagan
This officially sucks now, methinks. Anakin needs to be totally believable. You need a great martial artist in this role, instead they went for the teenybopper crowd. I know Anakin is not Maul but he must seem like as much of a badass, if in another style. Five 2 and 1/2 hour days is obviously not gonna do dump - we're going to see stuntmen galore, so we won't see much of Anakin's face, which will result in the loss of much of the power and believability of Anakin. And the times you do see him he'll look like crap - crappy form, non-believable... This just sucks.
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Once again my source inside Skywalker ranch (S. Malanka Lucas's gardner) was trimming the roses when he overheard George talking to his good friend Steven Spieldberg. S Malanka secretly taped this coversation and I will type what the recording produced...
George - "Well Steven these acusations that the new Anakin is nothing but an NSYNC reject sure are hurting my feelings. I mean what does a guy have to do to get a break."
Steven - "Is he from NSYNC? or is this what those Nerd fans of yours are saying?"
George - "You mean my fans who have nothing better to do all day then sit around and complain about the fighting style used by the new Anakin, the ones who complain that he is Canadian and doesn't look right, the ones that sit in their basement apartment or their parents house and argue that a kids movie set in spa written in the seventies and eighties doesn't seem to be as earth shatering as it once did?"
Steven - "Yes, those would be the nerds I am talking about"
George - "You know Steve, I am going to really give it to those Nerds, I might actually tell them that their is an entire world right here on earth that doesn't revolve around StarWars and they should get off the internet and quit watching their dicks get smaller"
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Doesn't he have special powers, thus he shouldn't need to use all his fancy karate to kill folks? Always made me wonder about that fight where Vader killed Obi Won in Episode IV...why didn't fader just squish his head with his faggot clown powers?:) (special reference to Tripping the Rift there...and why don't they make THAT into a full length movie? Anyone agree with me that Tripping the Rift would be an awsome CG animated film that would clean up at the box office?)
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this type of fighting is called KENDO...Japanese sword fighting techniques...the bamboo looking sticks are the traditional training sword...not surprising that a tie kwan do master would also have studied this...thing is...Lucas had Mark Hamil trained in Kendo for ESB...not really news that he would do the same for Hayden...
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first of all, I can already see how insane this is going to get. Is it me or did Hairy not say he would not be posting every tidbit about EP II. *NEWS FLASH* "Natalie Portman lets out a queef during love scene, Lucas likes it and leaves it in". Secondly, Ray Park did NOT choreograph his own moves. Nick Gillard did. Nick's coming back for episode ii, so for those worried about the fights in ep ii, don't. Thirdly (thirdly?) chill out ya'll it's George's thing. Don't like it? Well you can't please everyone.
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Dude...MI:2 is wire work and crapola...not real martial arts. Tom Cruise is NOT a recognized artist so far as I know. Jet Li, (who also uses wires in Black Mask, etc.,) is a real artist with blinding speed. As for the TKD commentary, the art is 70% kicks and 30% punching according to the current issue of Black Belt magazine. Herb Perez, an Olympic GOLD medalist in TKD, writes a regular column for BB. I train with Terry Smith, a 6th Dan under Chuck Norris and former world class fighter. Even though we came from a Tang Soo Do background, we also train and teach Jui-Jitsu, kick boxing, western boxing, and stick fighting. This gives us a well rounded skill set and a legal street weapon (stick, cane, etc.) We DO NOT teach people to throw high kicks in a 1 on 1 fight and we teach NEVER using a kick in a multiple opponent situation...if your foot's in the air, you're stuck right there. We employ Kendo principles in striking as well as stick. As does TKD, whether or not it's specifically acknowledged. This means that Hayden can and probably will look good on camera. As to a real fight...he'd be toast. It takes years for most people to quit thinking in a combat situation and just kick ass. 10 days ain't gonna do it, no matter how many reps he does following.
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It's funny when you think about it...but famous people grow up with regular people, right? They have to know someone that's not popular or in the limelight...
I'd just like to let everyone know, I went to high school with Hayden, his brother and sister were friends with my brother and sister...he was a grade younger than me, but we were in a "musical" together, it was called "Working" at Unionville high school...at the cast party I smoked up and was drunk beside someone who'll be a millionaire and who's likeness I will be able to buy in a toy at Toys 'R' us. It's pretty weird, everyone I went to school with is pretty weird about it too. Just thought I'd let everyone know that famous people come from somewhere. I'm not gloating...I wouldn't even call him a "friend" I just find it interesting.
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...Suck major ass. The fact that I am actually swearing here tells you how bad it has gotten. The whole fact that he says that it is an Olympic champion teaching him says it all. Because of the olympics, the quality of the instruction has universally been degraded. People are now trying to just learn enough to get points with specific targets, instead of learning a whole system. It's just very bad and ineffective. Anyhoo, Tae is just way too rigid for my tastes. It looks like the people are wlking around with a stick up their buts, and are trying to do the Steve Martin/Dan Akroyd wild and crazy guy routine. They look stiff and awkward. They should go for something like Kung Fu, old school Hapkido, or Kuk Sool. Ha De Bra!
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YODA: 'Dishonored my family you have. Kick your arse I will!
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GUYS!! Calm down. Hayden is not learning Tae Kown do for Episode 2.. He is warming up for his training for Nick Gilliard ,the stunt dude for the prequels .
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and florence henderson will make a kick-ass queen animaniac...or whatever the hell her name is....
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Jun 02, 2000 3:19:27 PM CDT
A MUST READ... ALSO, I THINK THE I.Q. LEVEL HERE JUST DROPPED DU
by moto
First off, everyone says the fight scenes in SW1 were great right? I would say that Maul was the standout, but Ewan was pretty good too... even Liam did well.
So they were good fight scenes right? let me tell you idiots this... Ewan and Liam never had any Martial Arts training!!! It was all choreographed... so they didn't need to. They "trained" in the sense that they went through every movement over and over... but they were never trained in the MArtial Arts!!! They didn't need to be. Ewan only training was stage fighting. I'm sure you would all piss and moan if you had known about that... yet he still looked like a badass Jedi in SW1!
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Ok, wooaahhhooo.. Hold on a second. The Force does exsist. However "the Force" is also known as Marketing (something which Mr. Lucas is extreamly great at!)
And these talkback, believe it or not, raise interest and discussion. And so, naturally all of you who think we sit on AICN all day and masturbate while d/l naked pictures of Darth Vader and Leia are quite mistaken. If you guys don't like talking about up comming news, then there is a simple solution: Don't come here and don't participate!!
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To the idiots whining about Tae Kwon Do???!!! There are SO many different styles out there. Ray Park was trained in some of them as well.
It just plain ludicrous that you people are condemning the "as yet made" film because of some stupid story like this!! So he only had five days of training... Ewan and Liam didn't have any!!! Don't even compare this shit to the Matrix! The reason why they had so much training was due to the fact that they had to display SEVERAL different styles... styles that had to be exact! HAyden, Ewan, and Liam don't have to use a style in particular because it's in another fucking universe... it's not based on a real, known society! It's based on fantasy.
God you people piss me off. All you do if fucking whine!!! Whine, whine, whine!! Give it up!
Have you actually read the things you have posted?? My God people. Saying, "Episode II will now for sure SUCK!!!" "It'll be like some Van Damme movie."
Give me a break.
The reason HAyden is being trained is so he can adapt to the planned fight scenes more easily. He'll know how to kick when the choreography needs him too. He'll know how to block lie a bad ass when he needs to.
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Why the hell do you post this shit!!!?? Yeah, it's your site, you can do what you want... but we al knwo WHY you do this... you just want to read these lame ass people make fools of themselves.
Your stories lately have sucked. It's sad when you need to resort to this shit to fill some space.
I'm waiting for the posts this summer that say, "As you know, production on SW2 has been going on everyday for the past few weeks... well, it's still going on. yep, you heard it here first! They are shooting scenes somewhere RIGHT NOW. Hayden was there. Ewan was there. So were a lot of crew people."
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You had me at "Be still, my snoring nose..."
ROFLMAO!
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1. tae kwon do--"art of kicking and punching" or "foot-fist art"; yes, there are kicks; yes, there are punches
2. Korea was invaded by the Chinese and the Japanese, thus influenced by the martial arts of the invading armies. Any rigidity evident in tae kwon do may be attributed to the linear, stolid techniques found in Japanese styles. The circular, more fluid tae kwon do techniques come from the Chinese influence.
3. tae kwon do and weapons: Staff and knife training are a part of many curricula in dojangs (Korean for dojo); other weapons training if an outgrowth of prior study in other styles depending on who the instructor is.
4. It is not uncommon to find hapkido and jui-jutsu being taught as supplemental training in a tae kwon do class.
5. How many people on this board actually train or have trained in any martial art and have acquired at least a first degree black belt?
6. How many people on this board only know about martial arts from the movies and literature on the subject?
7. Don't overreact about Hayden's training. Boy's got to start somewhere. Jason Scott Lee didn't even have five months of training as did the Matrix actors. Jason Scott Lee did a fine job in Dragon: The Bruce Lee story. Remember . . . Hayden is just beginning. Would you rather he know nothing whatsoever?
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Next to the too-short-of-a-lightsaber fight in TPM the fight between Vader and Luke in Empire is the best. I mean the pace of it is just fucking cool, Luke's sweatin' to th oldies in that scene, pullin' some nifty tricks he learned in the swamp and Vader is givin' him the one hand on the shaft treatment. My hope is that Anakin trains in a style that Obi-Wan uses but perfers to use his own methods, buck tradition and get flamed for it by the Jedi. Lucas can't be giving Anakin too much of a wacky fighting style because it won't translate to the other films. The old Obi-Wan is spinning in the saber fight in ANH which is cool since we've seen what he did in his youth. I want to see to really different fighting styles going head to head when Vader and Obi-Wan go at it. Y'know freaky flippin' style vs. Brute strength or something.
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Now manyPeople Here keep contending about which style he will be using, and whatnot...And Many of you enjoy saying that it's going to suck because Hayden " Hasnt learned Shit"..., But People Cant Frankly Become Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, or Douglas Wong( Very Underrated Martial artist ) instantly. I Myself have been training in Shaolin Martial Arts, and I study other forms also( Tho Ive never practiced them ). It's Tae Kwan Do, the Fighting...As for Sword Techniques, Ive always wanted to see the Jedi use a More Arabian Style of Swordfighting, with the Magnificent sweeps with the blade...very, very Fluid. Amazing work, but I dont think It'll ever happen.
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If the Sith have been dead for a 1000 years up till TPM, how did OBW and QJ develop their sword fighting skills well enough to face DM? Also, when OBW told Yoda he was ready for the "trials" and then went on to defeat DM and granted Knight status by Yoda, I guess the defeat of a sith equates to the "trials"? If that is the case, I would like to have seen what the "trials" were.
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That's right, I'm sick of retarted fan boys and their god forsaken whining. You people are worse than Luke in EP IV. I'm so sick of hearing you fatasses complain about how "wonderful, and deep" the original trilogy was and how TPM and the upcomming films are going to be crap. What the hell? You gargantuan slobs bitch about the use of special effects, and marketing in the new flicks, but praise the originals? I'm sorry, but did IQ's in this country drastically drop down to the negatives in the past twenty years? The first flicks were ALL about marketing and special effects. For christ's sake, boba fett's first appearance WAS IN A CARTOON! And ewoks? Little bear people taking down the Emperor's best legion of troops not silly enough for you? Yet TPM comes out and everyone's all cynnical. Thank cthulu Lucas doesn't bow and scrape to you pathetic little welps, then the movies would REALLY be shit. It's about time someone in hollywood has the guts to make HIS movie, from HIS own story, with HIS money, and not have to worry about any moron's trying to come in and screw it up. I guess since you cynnical fatasses can't allow a little joy in your life. You best go back to watching your regular regiment of hollywood shit fest. If you don't like star wars, go back and watch The Matrix. The most unoriginal (gee, it must have taken the w. brothers a whole five minutes to rip off the plots to dark city and the terminator), unemotional (just a bunch of leather wearing queers shooting guns and killing people... great movie) piece of shit that you geeks just love to eat up.
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Jun 02, 2000 7:38:06 PM CDT
Someone should get a home video of this guy in action and post i
by mrkearns
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I still think they should put Jackie Chan up there. Don't gime any nonsense about how Jackie Chan's getting old or how his fighting style isn't Star Wars material. If it isn't Star Wars material...it's better. If anyone's seen Drunken Master 2, you guys will know what I'm talking about. That movie's fight scenes are pure genius. Also, Jet Li in Fist of Legend was probably right up there with Jackie Chan's Drunken Master 2. It may not be as exciting or intense, but it's still marvelous to see Jet Li it his best. If you see either of these movies, I think you'll agree that Star Wars would be a MUCH better movie with fight choreographers such as Jackie Chan and Jet Li.
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After reading several of the comments regarding the taekwondo training etc. I have decided to respond and say this.
#1 some one commented about how useless it was. This is wrong and I know it. I have been taking taekwondo for nearlly seven years and have received my second dan black belt. While maybe it isn't as pretty or fun to watch as kung-fu it isn't a "bad" martial art. I have gotten into several fights with people who have taken kung-fu for just as long or longer than I have been in taekwondo and easily kicked their asses. Also these fights werent a sparring thing (dont hit my head or groin etc.) these were all out fights.
#2 the reason I think the lucas people chose taekwondo is that it isn't like kung-fu where it takes a long time to become good at it and a long time for it to become usefull, beginners in taekwondo can benefit greatly from it. Being in taekwondo for such a long time, I have seem numerous people become good at, even those whom I thought had no hope. so this new kid, Hayden or whatever, does have hope to make it look ok.
He wont be Ray Parks or Jet Li though.
#3 Finnally, someone way back was commenting about how he was being trained in sport taekwondo (cant hit to the head and groing) I hope not b/c there is more than this one side of taekwondo. However you can hit to the head!!, Just not to the face or back of the head. I myself have gotten kicked in the nose. SO people taking taekwondo do have to know how to block, thats why one the the first things you learn is a upper block. ALso taekwondo isn't just a "sport" I know numerous grappling techniques etc. which are very illegal in the arena. I hope I cleared anything up and if the trainer doesn't work out, just send him to me I'll get him ready. -
How is it that EPII is gonna suck because Hayden is getting training? I recall Mark Hamill and David Prouse fighting in Empire and Jedi with NO martial arts moves at all!! Darth Maul's fighting technique was AWESOME!! Hayden is no Ray Park but Hamill and Prouse pulled it of with NO training! WTF? You idiots need to shut the fuck up with your bitching until you have something to bitch about!
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Has Jet Li ever done a film where the fight scenes didnt use wires or sped up camera tricks?
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Black Talon put the hurt on anyone any range. I don't need to do a kill shot just a nice fleshy wound. Now go bleed outside my house while I call the cops
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hey all. I'm a resident in Ottawa Canada and am currently practicing Haidong Gumdo, Korean sword fencing. Where Kendo is Japanese and more sport oriented, Gumdo is more practical and much more cooler! I thought it odd that they'd be teaching the actors Kendo or TaeKwonDo. I'm not knocking these arts, but in my opinion Gumdo is the way to go if you're looking for super cool leaps, flourishes and sword techniques. You know, basic Jedi training. Our master, called Qwan Jung Nim(pretty close to Qui Gon Jin, eh?) even calls it Jedi training because it involves more the swinging a blade but involving the mind as well and is always making refences to the force and stuff. Pretty funny at times. But DAMN cool. nuff said
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I was going to say "my girlfriend can kick Darth Vader's ass"--She's been kickboxing for 2 years. George, can't you scrape together the cash for more than 5 days of lessons?
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To all the whiners who are upset about the technique get a life.The more battles and great choreagraphy that will be in Episode 2 the better.I want Action Action Action. Please don't compare the Matrix to Star Wars although the Matrix was a good movie and I enjoyed it very much it is in no way a Star Wars movie.To those who say Star Wars is dead, you need to get with it. Long live the Galaxy far far away....
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Sometimes I wonder why I bother looking at the talk backs. One can pretty much expect the same thing each time you read through them.
---First of all, it doesn't really matter what style Hayden picks up. Park's Wu Shu was evident in the movie because they designed Maul to fight that way. Ewan and Liam looked passable despite no formal actual arts training. People who stage fight don't need any practical fighting technique to look good (just some practice) and nearly any form will make the stage combatant look better. This Tae Kwan Do session (if he actually was practicing Tae Kwan Do, the reports are all sketchy and done by people with limited experience to judge such) was probably used to limber Hayden up and get him used to the general speed of melee combat. Anyone who's played sports where things come towards you, be it baseball, playing goalie in hockey/soccer, boxing, fencing, etc, knows that when you first started playing (or have been out of it for awhile), the object in question appears to be screaming towards you. After some practice, the average incoming object almost moves in slow motion. People involved in stage fighting have to learn not to look afraid of getting hit and the easiest way is to train them to help see the blows, no matter how fast they look. This may be all there is to this training.
---Martial artists are a funny lot. In my years of playing kendo and practicing Iaido, I've met a lot and many are the same. They're very protective of their own style and are critical of any style they don't feel worthy enough to adopt. That's the cause of a number of the heated debates here. For all those promoting a certain style Anakin should take (especially those only moderately familiar with the styles in question), the more 'serious' or 'non-theatrical/sports' related an art is, the worse it generally looks on screen. Efficiency calls for short, definitive moves. You don't want those unless your goal is a brutal, quick battle. Even an art that's very sport-like, Kendo, is actually boring to look at by the average person (I know some enthusiasts will disagree...as a practioner, I know it's a different story to one actually involved...I'm basing my comments from listening to non-enthusiast friends who've watched matches)...after all, look at ANH's duel...it was probably the least flourished, Kendo-like battle. I once thought that all the flamboyant Erol Flynn stuff was ridiculous, but that's what usually looks good on camera, whether you like it or not. -
Jun 03, 2000 5:46:13 AM CDT
WHATEVER!! YEAH RIGHT STARS WARS WAS BETTER THAN THE MATRIX, ARE
by dead eye
Dude, THE MATRIX was meant to have some kung-fu movie feel in it. Kind of non-realistic in a sense. I did not think it was goofy dumb. The Wachowski's hired Wu Ping, he's the man! And come on that jump kick that Keanu Reeves did at the end of the hallway shoot out looked cool. Oh don't even start with EP 1 and say it was good, the Wachowski's made Lucas look like a dork. The only thing that was cool in EP 1 was Ray Park. He should of signed on with THE MATRIX.
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Has it occured to anyone else that perhaps training in fencing would be more appropriate?
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Light sabers seem too long and
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Jun 03, 2000 9:46:26 AM CDT
"5. How many people on this board actually train or have trained
by docbosch
Um, how about a second degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do? Does it count if I say my father has a fourth degree?
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It must've been a slow news day. The over-reaction was funny, though.
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Five days, five days, five days. Who the fuck cares?? All you motherfuckers bitching about five days need to realize something: In your precious Empire Strikes Back, Luke became a jedi over the weekend!! What the hell is that? Am I the only person that thinks that is dumber than piss? The original trilogy is chock full of stuff that is just plain stupid, and so will the new ones. They are still fun to watch, just don't take them so seriously.
As far as five days of Tae Kwon Do is concerned, some of you fanboys would do well to get five minutes of excersise like that. I mean other than masturbating to pictures of Boba Fett (who was a retarted character by the way, ha ha ha suckers) in your mothers basement.
LONG LIVE THE EWOKS AND GUNGANS!!!!
SO LONG SUCKERS!!!!
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Tae kwon do is fine and all, but for pure aesthetics movie kung fu is best. Ask Wo Peng, ask John Woo. It just looks cleaner and more spectacular.
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Maybe George should channel some resources into an acting coach and actually show Hayden a script so he can bone up on character instead of stunts. If anything, this just shows what George considers priority. Prepare yourself for Jake Lloyd 2. And it won't be Hayden's fault if he sucks either.
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Mickey Suttle is da man. Check it out at http://www.supershadow.com
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Vergence: What was so "fanboy-orientated" about Ep. 1? Did you ever read the rumors, speculation,and wish-lists posted by the fanboys? I have..not a single thing they wanted was in the film.
I understand one of the main focuses was the romance between Anakin and Amidala. How fanboyish is that?
The Big L and other bashers: With TalkBacks this lively,STAR WARS will never be dead.
THE MATRIX is nothing to me but a cyberpunk-themed,live-action anime. Other anime are just as good if not better. Not groundbreaking or mindbending by any means.
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I'm a third-degree black belt in Kenpo. I've been training for nine and some-odd years, and it's basically my thing -- it's not a hobby I do when I'm not playing computer games or shooting hoops -- it's one of the main ways I define myself. So as for whether I'm qualified to piss and moan about whether the new Vaderkid is doing real martial arts or sport stuff, I feel pretty comfortable doing so. Dragon Reborn up there, you might have trained in a really good TKD school. Honestly, though, I've got a knee-jerk reaction to the art, because the average TKD person thinks his art is the coolest, and that Kung Fu is just silly dancing and Kenpo is just "moving your hands really fast." It's cool to be proud of your art. I'm proud of mine. And maybe if there was a Kenpo school on every third corner and two stores away from every shopping mall, it would be devalued as badly as TKD seems to be devalued to me. Maybe we'd be on opposite sides of the fence. But when people go from green belts in Kenpo or blue belts in Tang Soo Do to black belts in TKD, well, it raises questions.
As for whether it can look good in the movie, people have raised good points about Ewan and Liam, who looked good despite a lack of formal training. I'd love to see an alien using something like Kung Fu, but it's so different from what we've seen any of the Jedi use that I think it'd look incongruous as a Jedi or Sith fighting style. Above all, I hope they've got a good choreographer. In Ep1 things were a little silly at times (the "nobody can block a kick to the head" rule was in effect) but it was all in all fast and furious and a lot of fun to watch. If the kid looks good and is doing interesting not-lame stuff, he can be doing Sumo wrestling for all I care. -
I think the key word here is that the trainer was on the olympic team. I know a little about how some of the coaches train for that and conditioning is the key. Lots of simple moves that will get the old boy into shape and prevent injury.
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You people are getting it all wrong. You are expecting Anakin to be a bad-ass in Episode II and he is probably not going to be. Lucas has already said that we won't see Vader untill probably the end of Episode III. In the next movie Anakin will probably not even be a Jedi master yet. So stop your whinning about how he has to be more bad-assed than Maul because he doesn't have to yet. He will be starting to slip into the darkside in the next movie but won't be a real baddy until part 3.
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Jun 03, 2000 11:14:22 PM CDT
WHY DID MATRIX WIN THE OSCARS? BECAUSE THE ACADEMY HAS BEEN FUC
by moto
It's a joke to think that MATRIX deserved the oscars!!! Sure, it was a deeper film... but to win all of the FX awards OVER SW??!!! Give me a fucking break. Put aside the fact that many of you liked the MATRIX more than SW... use what you have left of your minds, and realize that SW1 broke all the barriers for FX!! Groundbreaking stuff!! What a joke that was... I for one loved MATRIX... but it was no match for SW1.
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I just watched Hayden Christensen in a crappy Fox Family movie named "Higher Ground" where he plays a recovering drug addict. He can definitly act with a dark side. You really are drawn to his performance. These next movies are going to be soo good. I think we should all thank god that it wasn't leo.
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With Lucas' money and editors, ANYONE can be made to look like a martial arts master!!! It's all for show anyway.
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i have to agree that five days of training is pretty poor considering this guy is meant to be a jedi master, but what a lot of you are forgetting is that he only has to look good, not be an effective fighter - a good choerographer can do miracles, and the fight will be planned. i reckon it will look ok, i mean, the fights in episode 1 were decent enough werent they?
tae kwon do, from my experience of it, can look very impressive with lots of spinning kicks and so on - something which does look great on the big screen. the matrix tried to use decent kung fu techniques, hence it looking very laboured and crap.
you can make a martial artist into an actor, but not vice versa. look at enter the dragon, bruce lee and jim kelly look great, while john saxons fights, although good, do not have the same flow.
those are my thoughts on the subject, and i am sure i dont have as much martial arts training as many of you, but i believe i have enough - 7 years karate, 3 years kickboxing, and cross training by JKD and jujitsu.
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I don't reconize any of you fucks. As long as he is being trained in the art of bong smoking who gives a fuck. I bought some weed of lucas the other day and it was shit, my fucking dog wouldn't of smoked it, nothing compares to that shit i scored off lucas in 1977, man it fucked my head up big style. I don't think i'll buy anymore weed of lucas. Although i heard somewhere that rutger hauer had some pretty good super skunk, i'll think i'll check that out.
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Holy Shit you guys have too much time on your hands! Who gives a damn about martial arts training; ask yourself: is this really exciting or noteworthy news? How is Anakin gonna be the baddest Jedi of them all? Who cares? Ask yourself this; in the original trilogy do we see Vader busting Kung Fu moves all over the shop? Of course not. Is he a badass? Of course. Grow up guys, this is really pathetic - you're all gonna spend two years bleating about every minute development on the film, then feel cheated when it finally emerges as a piece of shit! Just like the last one! Come to think of it, make that the last two....
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a little about fighting styles,etc. I hold a fourth degree balck belt in TaeKwon-Do and rank in a few othr styles like ju-jitsu, hapkido, and gong-fu. I have and do work with theatrical and stage fighting as well as train actors for fight sequences. Now, Hayden will not of course be a martial artist in time for this movie. It is entriely possible, however, that he will be able to look like he knows plenty. Posturing doesn't take much and he wno't need to actually be effective with his techniques at all. Sure Mr. Park would whomp him in an actual match (duh!) but trust me, that won't matter a bit on the screen. Did Jabba's puppeters realy learn the entrie language of Huttese?
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Alright first off, I will have to tell you of an experience I had when I watched Star Wars with a Japanese person. Now we all know George Lucas was inspired by the Kurosawa films and all but this is exactly what gets so many Japanese people so excited about Star Wars. Just because George Lucas like the Japanese culture and used the term "Jedi" based on the Japanese term "Jedai-Geki" for the term of elite samurai or Japanese warrior and because the "Jedai-Geki" followed the Bushido code which is similar to the Jedi code, they (Japanese people) believe Star Wars is something that completely originated from the Japanese culture. First off, when I watched The Phantom Menace with my Japanese buddy (Mr. Namba) I simply commented that Obi-Wan is a badass. All I said was, "Damn, he's a bad-ass, going in a fight as a Padawan against a Sith and not caring about getting killed." Mr. Namba immediately said, "You think he's a bad-ass huh? You like his pony-tail?" I said, "Yeah that too, but I just like how he just goes into every situation with determination. Remember how he said to Captain Panaka 'I'll deal with that.' Damn, that just showed how he was a badass." Mr. Namba continued, "Yeah but you like his pony tail eh? You know, that's Japanese." ALRIGHT RIGHT THERE AND THEN I SHUT THE DAMN VCR OFF AND I LOOKED AT MY BUDDY IN HIS FACE AND JUST LOOKED AT HIM LIKE HE WAS BEING A JACKASS. There I was trying to enjoy my movie and this guy tries to imprint the image of Japanese culture on Obi-Wan Kenobi, who may perhaps be the best representation for everything that Star Wars stood for. I was furious cos all I knew was that I was watching my movie, and all of a sudden, this egocentrical person steps in to talk about his culture like it was the best. ALRIGHT FIRST OF ALL, EVERYTHING THAT THE JAPANESE CULTURE HAS DEVELOPED HAD ITS INITIAL TIES TO CHINA. WHERE DO U THINK THEY GOT THEIR LANGUAGE LITERATURE, ART, CLOTHES, EVERYTHING EXCEPT THEIR TASTE FOR RAW FOOD. SECOND, DO NOT ALL JEDI'S USE STRAIGHT SWORDS? WAS THERE EVER ONCE, A JEDI THAT USED A CURVED LOOKING LIGHTSABER OR A KATANA. NOOOO! ALL JEDI'S SWORDS ARE STRAIGHT AND THAT DETERMINES THEIR ACCURACY, SWING, BLOCKING TECHNIQUES, ETC. HAD A JEDI'S LIGHTSABER BEEN CURVED AS IS CHARACTERISTIC OF ALL SAMURAI SWORDS, WUT U SEE IN THE MOVIE WOULD NOT BE THE SAME IN TERMS OF THEIR ACCURACY, SWING, BLOCKING TECHNIQUES, ETC. THIRD, OBI-WAN KENOBI'S HAIR STYLE INCLUDING ITS PONY-TAIL IS DEFINITELY NOT JAPANESE IN NATURE. SURE THERE ARE SUCH THINGS CALLED SAMURAI PONY TAILS AND U CAN ALWAYS CATCH A GLIMPSE OF THEM ON THE SAMURAI'S FEATURED IN KUROSAWA'S FILMS AS WELL AS OLD JAPANESE SAMURAI FILMS THAT FEATURE ZATOICHI: THE BLIND MASSEUSE THAT SAVES THE DAY. BUT U GOTTA BE MORE CAREFUL TO SEE THAT IT IS STILL NOT THE SAME AS OBI-WAN'S. SAMURAI PONY TAILS ARE ALWAYS STICKING STRAIGHT OUT OF A SAMURAI'S HEAD BECAUSE IT IS BUNDLED TOO TIGHTLY AND IT COMES OUT AS A TUFT OF HAIR DIVERGING IN NUMEROUS DIRECTIONS. PLAY "TENCHU" THE PLAYSTATION GAME USING THE GIRL AND YOU WILL KNOW WUT I MEAN. OR IT'S ALWAYS TOO SHORT AND TOO HIGH UP IN THE CRANIAL AREA SO IT MAKES A SAMURAI LOOK LIKE A GORILLA THAT HAS A SAGGITARRIAL CREST RATHER THAN A BADASS. OR IF YOU LOOK AT "GOLDENBOY" A JAPANESE ANIME, YOU WILL SEE THAT GOLDENBOY HAS A PONYTAIL THAT IS FAIRLY LONG BUT RIGHT SMACK DOWN AT THE PLACE WHERE THE NECK IS SO THAT FROM BEHIND, GOLDEN BOY LOOKS LIKE HE HAS A CUTE LITTLE SQUIRREL ON HIS HEAD. SOMETIMES A SAMURAI SHAVES HIS HEAD AND THEN LEAVES A PONY-TAIL BUT THEN IT GIVES A DUMBASS EFFECT LIKE "PRINCE XIZOR" FROM THE CHRONICLES OF STAR WARS: SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE. FINALLY, THERE IS THE MATTER OF ATTIRE. JEDI'S WEAR A FLOWING ROBE WITH LONG WIDE SLEEVES. IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK AT CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS MOVIES THAT INVOLVE STRAIGHT SWORDS, A GOOD ONE WOULD BE "THE DUEL", YOU WILL ACTUALLY SEE THAT OBI-WAN LOOKS ENTIRELY LIKE A CHARACTER OR WARRIOR THAT COULD BE INTEGRATED INTO THE ANCIENT SOCIETY THAT ONCE DOMINATED CHINA. So let me recap, 1) Japanese people copy Chinese people 2) Lightsabers are straight like the antique straight swords that can be found in China and are not curved 3) The Japanese pony tail that Mr. Namba refered to probably looked like crap (cos it was basically bad imitation off of the Chinese) and comparable to Prince Xizor's pony tail while 4) During the times of ancient China, Chinese warriors dressed in the same exact fashion as Obi-Wan Kenobi did and 5) fashioned their hair style including their pony-tail in the exact , shape, length, and location as Obi-Wan Kenobi did. ALL THAT REMAINS FOLKS IS THAT JEDIS STILL HAVE TO BE CALLED JEDIS SIMPLY BECAUSE ITS FOR THE SAKE OF CONTINUITY EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE BASICALLY CHINESE IN NATURE AND OBI-WAN KENOBI WHILE I DO ADMIT SOUNDS A BIT LIKE JAPANESE HAS TO REMAIN THAT WAY FOR CONTINUITY EVEN THOUGH HE IS CHINESE. OOPS I FORGOT TO MENTION ABOUT FORCE OR IN CHINESE TERMS "CHI-KUNG" AND BELIEVE ME THAT WHOLE ORDEAL WITH QUI-GON JINN TAKING ON ONLY ONE APPRENTICE, THAT'S FROM AN ANCIENT CHINESE PHILOSOPHY THAT IF YOU HAVE MORE, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO TEACH THEM FULLY SINCE YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO CONCENTRATE YOUR FULLEST EFFORTS ON ONE PADAWAN AND THEN ANOTHER WHICH IS NOT EFFICIENT AT ALL AND MAY CAUSE JEALOUSY AS YOU HAVE SEEN IN OBI-WAN'S EYES AS WELL AS ANAKIN'S. HOWEVER, SITH IS DIFFERENT. BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE VIOLENT IN NATURE AND HAVE ALREADY DEVOTED THEMSELVES TO THE DARK SIDE, THE JEALOUS APPRENTICES WOULD SIMPLY DUEL TO THE DEATH AND THAT IS WHY THE RULE CAME ABOUT, "NO MORE, NO LESS, A MASTER AND AN APPRENTICE." FURTHERMORE, I BELIEVE GEORGE LUCAS IN HIS EARLIER YEARS, CLEARLY, I REPEAR, CLEARLY WAS JAPANESE WASHED. HAVE U EVER HEARD OF POKEMON? A BETTER QUESTION WOULD BE WHO HASN'T HEARD OF POKEMON. OK. THERE U GO, THE JAPANESE HAVE A WAY WITH JAPANESE-WASHING PEOPLE'S MINDS. ALSO, WHY DO YOU THINK HE HIRED A CHINESE PERSON TO CREATE THE PRE-PRODUCTION PAINTINGS USED TO DIRECT THE LOOK OF THE MOVIE BEFORE IT WAS EVER SHOT? DOUG CHIANG NOT ONLY PAINTED 1000 PAINTINGS FOR THE PRODUCTION OF EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE ( A WHOPPING 33% OUT OF THE PAINTINGS TOTAL CREATED BY THE ART DEPARTMENT) BUT HE EVEN HEADED THE ART DEPARTMENT ENTIRELY AND EXACTLY FOR THE MATTER OF NEWLY RECONSTRUCTING THE LOOK OF STAR WARS. WITH ALL THOSE JAPANESE ANIMATORS OUT THERE WHY DOESN'T HE JUST HIRE SOME OF THEM? DOESN'T HE WANT A JAPANESE LOOK FOR HIS STAR WARS FILMS? CLEARLY, GEORGE LUCAS IS NOT STUPID AND CLEARLY HE IS NOT JAPANESE WASHED ANYMORE WHICH IS WHY HE HIRED A CHINESE ART DIRECTOR. THIS IS ALSO BECAUSE GEORGE LUCAS UNDERSTANDS THAT JEDI'S ARE BASICALLY CHINESE ENTAILING THAT IT IS ONLY RIGHT TO GIVE THE JOB TO SOMEONE LIKE DOUGH CHIANG TO DRAW UPON HIS CHINESE CULTURE. FURTHER MORE SINCE HE ALLOWED DOUG CHIANG TO DO MOST OF THE WORK, THE PHANTOM MENACE LOOKED EXACTLY WORD FOR WORD AND PAINTBRUSH STROKE FOR PAINTBRUSH STROKE LIKE HIS PAINTINGS, RESULTING IN A GENUINELY CHINESE FEEL AND EXPERIENCE WHEN U WATCH TPM. OR MAYBE GEORGE LUCAS IS STILL JAPANESE WASHED BUT HE IS WILLING TO CORRECT HIS MISTAKES BECAUSE STAR WARS IS HIS ENTIRE LIFE AND HE CAN'T BE LIVING A LIE LIKE "STAR WARS IS INSPIRED BY THE JAPANESE CULTURE" FOR HIS ENTIRE LIFE WHICH IS THE EXACT REASON WHY HE HIRED DOUG CHIANG. AGAIN I CANNOT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THAT EVERYTHING THAT SEEMS JAPANESE IN STAR WARS AFTER "RETURN OF THE JEDI" OR I SHOULD RATHER SAY EVERYTHING STARTING FROM "STAR WARS: EPISODE I - THE PHANTOM MENACE" IS SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONTINUITY. THE WORDS JEDI, OBI-WAN KENOBI, AND YODA. I MEAN SERIOUSLY FOLKS, OBI-WAN KENOBI WOULD STILL BE AS CHINESE AND BADASS AS THE MEANEST JEDI THAT EVER LIVED EVEN IF HIS NAME WAS JAR JAR, YOU GET THE IDEA. AND YOU CAN CALL THE JEDI, WITH A FRATERNITY NAME LIKE, "ATO OR ATL OR KAPPA-ALPHA," AND THEY'D STILL BE AS CHINESE, MYSTERIOUS, CODIFIED, AND ELITE AS THEY ALWAYS WERE. ALL IM SAYING IS OBI-WAN KENOBI IS CHINESE BECAUSE FOR THE MOST OBVIOUS REASONS: HE LOOKS CHINESE AND HE USES A STRAIGHT LIGHTSABER NOT A CURVED ONE, ANAKIN SKYWALKER IS CHINESE UNTIL HE TURNED INTO DARTH VADER THAT LOOKS LIKE A JAPANESE SAMURAI WITH THAT BIG WIDE HELMET, YODA AND EVERYONE ON THE COUNCIL IS CHINESE, EVERY SINGLE JEDI IS CHINESE COS THEY USE THE FORCE, YES EVEN THE SITH ARE CHINESE BECAUSE THEY ARE TRAINED IN THE JEDI ARTS AND THEY FOLLOW A GREAT DEAL OF CHINESE PHILOSOPHY. I'D SAY THE ONLY JAPANESE CHARACTERS YOU WILL FIND WITHIN THE STAR WARS UNIVERSE ARE THE NEMOIDIANS AND THEIR OBSESSIONS WITH EXPORTING THEIR GOODS=ANALAGOUS TO THE JAPANESE BULK SELLING THEIR SPORTS CARS TO THE US. THE MANDALORIANS ARE JAPANESE WITH THEIR SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY=ANALAGOUS TO ADVANCED JAPANESE ELECTRONICS LIKE SONY AND PLAYSTATION 2. ALSO DARTH VADER AND POSSIBLY QUI-GON JINN BECAUSE THEY BOTH SIT DOWN ON THE FLOOR AND MEDITATE TOO MUCH. OH AND LOOK AT MASTER QUI-GON JINN'S BEARD, THAT DEFINITELY LOOKS JAPANESE. JUST GO TO THE GETTYSBURG MUSEUM AND YOU WILL SEE JAPANESE PORCELEIN ART AND SCULPTURES FEATURING JAPANESE NATIVE MEN HAVING GROTESQUE AND BUSHY BEARDS AS WELL AS SUPER LONG HAIR THAT THEY NEVER WASH.
Ray: The stormtroopers were NOT supossed to be Jedi's you numbnuts. Not everyone with a lightsaber is a Jedi.
Sender: False, George Lucas believes that anyone in his Star Wars films who fights with a lightsaber is because they have extraordinary skill, power, and elegance as opposed to those that use blasters. Stormtroopers used blasters but they were initially drawn with lightsabers and that is very subjective. They could have been a Jedi's match (being able to fight with one entails particular training), per se, but because they finally became analagous with blasters shows that they have less skill, power, and elegance as opposed to Jedi's. All I was saying was those having extraordinary skill, power, and elegance were characters free of a predetermined look. And even if Jedi's were meant to be geared towards a Japanese look (entailing that it was predetermined), than obviously those that believe so (including George Lucas) are falsifying what is called the "truth." The "truth" is that Jedi's look Chinese in origin. I call it as I see them.
Ray: Then you say "Darth vader is definitely samurai like with his helmet so i am not racist."
Sender: That is the truth. In fact, Darth Vader was supposed to have a completely samurai looking helmet with a cloth as a face mask but because Ralph said that Star Wars is futuristic, Lucas thought the technological face mask was a brilliant idea.
Ray: Then you say : "Furthermore, the new obi design far surpasses the old one making him look a lot more sleeker, faster, and daring in design" Geee, would that be because he is YOUNGER now?...Young people and Old people dress differently you know, but still his Costume is practically unchanged.
Sender: You are only catering to what I have been saying all along. Hell, Qui-Gon Jinn was perhaps as near as Obi-Wan Kenobi's age when he was in A New Hope. However, he wore the same costume design Obi did in The Phantom Menace and he looks just as sleek, fast, and daring as Obi. However, Qui-Gon may have looked fast but he wasn't. On the other hand, Obi-Wan Kenobi in A New Hope for all we know died because he let it be. With his age, he had become a great master and he was probably hiding more that we can ever imagine (hell when he died, he was still appearing here and there!) but he certainly looked weak in A New Hope and that's not just because he had wrinkles on his face. His costume inside and out looked very sluggish in A New Hope than when compared to the better Chinese version in The Phantom Menace.
Ray: "Wut is even more intriguing is that Ralph and Doug have been known to work closely together during the design phase and so the original Obi look had been slowly transformed to a chinese look. " Ralph McQuarrie retired from the bussiness, the only access Dough had to McQuarrie was through his paintings.
Sender: No, I am pretty sure that they have become good friends and they analyze each others paintings regardless of whether or not Ralph retired (this isn't construction work). Furthermore, Doug tries to live up to Ralph's paintings through their simple presence, objectiveness, vivid colors, and realism that they convey for Star Wars which isn't too sci-fi but rather with an Earthly feel. Doug may have drawn from his Chinese culture (or Chinese culture research from a simple library) to give Star Wars a historical feel to the Jedi from Chinese origins. What Doug Chiang does not do is copy Ralph McQuarrie for his designs and for obvious reasons, this is the prequel trilogy we are talking about and from what I have seen, there has been very little continuity in terms of design in The Phantom Menace in regards to the original trilogy and I hope it remains that way.
Ray: This is not about pride, it's about customs. Doug confessed he knows very little from the Chinese culture, because he is an U.S. citizen and never been to china or anything.
Sender: You don't have to go there in order to be educated about such a culture or any other culture for that matter.
Ray: I think it is pretty obvious you have issues against the Japanese culture, and that my friend, is what we call R-A-C-I-S-M.
Sender: I am not, I simply call it as I see them.
Ray: But you still say you're not racist...how about comments like these, from your previews email "DARTH VADER AND POSSIBLY QUI-GON JINN BECAUSE THEY BOTH SIT DOWN ON THE FLOOR AND MEDITATE TOO MUCH.
Sender: There is a Japanese word for such meditation when you kneel down like that. Something like Hama-kiri.
Ray: Further, you said, "OH AND LOOK AT MASTER QUI-GON JINN'S BEARD, THAT DEFINITELY LOOKS JAPANESE. JUST GO TO THE GETTYSBURG MUSEUM AND YOU WILL SEE JAPANESE PORCELEIN ART AND SCULPTURES FEATURING JAPANESE NATIVE MEN HAVING GROTESQUE AND BUSHY BEARDS AS WELL AS SUPER LONG HAIR THAT THEY NEVER WASH. "
Sender: That is definitely true. The Japanese were strict as hell in the Shogunate days 1590-1750. They didn't wash their hair and they grew bushy beards as a sign of masculinity.
I do admit that I rant but it is only for Star Wars that I do this since Star Wars is perhaps the only thing that uses a lot of historical background in its making and I can't help but feeling held back when people just falsify the truth for everyone else. I vent the truth sooner or later.
Ray: Star Wars shouldn't be tainted with the subject of race.
Sender: Star Wars would not be the same were it not for the history and the different cultures that numerous races have created over time. If you create something totally bizarre for Star Wars, it wouldn't look Star Wars. It would look too far-fetched like Babylon 5 or Star Trek.
Ray: I am glad you are proud of being of Chinese heritage, just don't take out your shortcomings as a person with other races.
Sender: You can call me a racist China-man all you want but I respect all races, cultures, and the whole human race. But it should be intrinsic for anyone to sense whether someone is just being egocentric or just telling it like it really is.
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Oct 21, 2000 4:07:51 AM CDT
IN THAT CASE ANAKIN SKYWALKER SHOULD USE JEET KUN DO OR TRADITIO
by lookatme!
EXACTLY AS MY MESSAGE TOPIC
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Jeez, 10 pages of nothing
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