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‘Sort Of Superhuman!!’ New Photos And Details Regarding John Harrison Of STAR TREK: INTO DARKNESS!!
The latest issue of Empire Magazine calls John Harrison a "Starfleet officer turned Galactic terrorist."
“He’s sort of superhuman, pretty much unbeatable,” Benedict Cumberbatch tells Empire of his role in “Star Trek: Into Darkness.” “Brainy and brawny. He manipulates situations. He’s incarcerated when Kirk is talking to him and yet he still gets Kirk to do his work for him. He pushes him into a corner where the only route to salvation is cooperation. There is a real Hannibal Lecter quality to him.”
“He was within Starfleet and has now turned against the organization and is hell-bent on revenge,” director J.J. Abrams tells Empire. “He’s responsible for a very violent, horrific attack in London and then one in the States. He believes he and others were wronged and is focused on destruction. He’s an incredibly brilliant strategist who is aware of various truths that Kirk is not privy to.”
“He is just as intelligent and logical as Spock, but is also one very bad motherfucker,” franchise star Chris Pine adds.
I wonder if Harrison has five times Kirk's strength.
I’m beginning to think John Harrison may not be that character’s real name. Have you seen the cryotubes in that “Into Darkness” trailer?
Find TrekMovie’s story on Empire’s photos and story here.
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...that in this iteration of the Trekverse it was Harrison and not Gary Mitchell who became empowered? Maybe this begins AFTER this universe's version of Where No Man Has Gone Before?
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Dec. 26, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST
Abrams says he turned down STAR WARS VII: LENS FLARES STRIKE BACK
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2012/12/jj-abrams-turned-down-star-wars-vii.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Hmmm, not quite as catchy...
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They're coffins.
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Thanks to Enterprise, we know that there are still Augments out there that aren't on the Botany Bay. What if John Harrison is the descendent of the Augments from Enterprise, and his whole GOAL is to find the Botany Bay and set Khan free?
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No mention here on the death of TV science fiction icon Gerry Anderson. Even a stub with a YouTube clip or something would be nice to designate a Talkback... F.A.B. RIP
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I guarantee no one on the writing staff has seen Enterprise, or much of TOS for that matter.
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... is the film every other film now wants to be. Skyfall shamelessly ripped it off, even copying plot points for christ's sake, and now it appears this film is going to do the same. I'm in the minority, I know, who thinks TDK wasn't that great a film so it baffles me that it has spawned imitators.
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An Augmented Klingon from Enterprise Season 4. Don't think I've heard that theory yet.
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just before mine
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And it's not Gary Mitchell either. It really seems to me like its Lord GArth.
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Dec. 26, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST
Cryotubes? You major dumbfuck, you're seeing what you want to see.
by Queefer Sutherland
They're fucking coffins, douchebag.
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Yep, they're definitely coffins with windows so you can see the faces of the corpses inside.
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Little known, lesser famous younger brother UNTIL NOW. BWAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
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Being that Lindelof was involved, I'm sure this is the template.
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Duh! You want to see grandmother face decomposing before your eyes?
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All filled with Spock clones!
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Dec. 26, 2012, 10:04 p.m. CST
Herc, really... you are beginning to think that John Harrison is not his real name?? NO SHIT SHERLOCK!
by peter
PLEASEEEEEEE Go check out the 1st threads when that John Harrison name appeared in the promo photo.
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Dec. 26, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST
Admiral Archer's dog was mentioned in the last movie...
by Royston Lodge
...proving that the writers have considered Enterprise before.
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Dec. 26, 2012, 10:20 p.m. CST
Since you're already in here after the article's SPOILER tag, the Empire Magazine article says Kirk is removed as Captain in STID:
by lox4444
I believe the quote is that he is "forced into a rash decision that breaks a critical Starfleet command, puts his crew in danger and costs him his captain’s chair."
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Also, mini keyboards suck.
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He's khan or a khan type for sure.
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Been there, done that.
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Or, based on the trailer, is the entire film based in laboratories and skyscrapers??? Not to worry...whatever the case Chris Pine so encapsulates the role of Kirk that I hardly remember who played it originally (cough).
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Perhaps Sybok is coming back to the fold?! www.nonipplesonthesuit.com
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Don't space coffins have printers that spew out data sheets for people to tear off and read? www.nonipplesonthesuit.com
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Dec. 26, 2012, 10:41 p.m. CST
i think its genius that most of the movie will take place on earth
by walt
cuz if you are gonna fuck up rodenberry's vision...go all the fuckin way
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Dec. 26, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST
Most ideas coming out of Hollywood these days are pitifully unoriginal...
by annapaquinspussyjuice
So why should the Star Trek franchise be any exception, eh? A villain who is part Hannibal Lecter meets the Joker meets Osama Bin Laden. Yeah, whatevs....
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Dec. 26, 2012, 10:46 p.m. CST
I'm thinking Cumberbatch is a member of Section 31.
by American Mythos
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Dec. 26, 2012, 10:47 p.m. CST
Herc's theory might have been closer to the mark than anyone's if Cumberbatch is an augment and member of Section 31.
by American Mythos
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they are trying to show Nolan how to do it right, without being silly & stupid! Mastermold wrote: Yea, TDKR ... is the film every other film now wants to be. Skyfall shamelessly ripped it off, even copying plot points for christ's sake, and now it appears this film is going to do the same. I'm in the minority, I know, who thinks TDK wasn't that great a film so it baffles me that it has spawned imitators.
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Sorry. Couldn't resist.
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So far it's a lot of earth stuff and a submarine enterprise. Seriously fuck Abrams. The enterprise belongs in space doing what it always has done, not hiding in a bay. Yesterday's enterprise would be better than any new ST movie. Wtf ever happened to "space the final frontier...." It "lets see what's out there!!" Oh how the youth today will never know the truth. Forgive him Gene he knows not what he does.
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Don't see it. Granted, I missed half the movie cause I was sick.
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...or Paul Starr.
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Dec. 26, 2012, 11:12 p.m. CST
"The Enterprise belongs in space doing what it always has done."
by D.Vader
And just what was the Enterprise and its crew doing in Star Trek IV: The Voyage *Home*?
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Dec. 26, 2012, 11:18 p.m. CST
THERE IS FROST. WHY WOULD COFFINS HAVE FROST? IF YOU DON'T THINK THESE ARE CRYOTUBES YOU ARE
by Mark
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Dec. 26, 2012, 11:18 p.m. CST
A FUCKING MORON. I GUESS YOU ALSO THOUGHT SENATOR PALPATINE AND THE EMPEROR
by Mark
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Dec. 26, 2012, 11:21 p.m. CST
Did Cumberbatch get his whole head replaced on that mag cover?
by nephilim138
Looks like a totally different actor
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Watching people lose their shit over these movies has become more entertaining than the movies themselves.
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Just saying, it's pretty much already set that sci-fi centers around Earth. It's easier to write and shoot. We have to push directors to move locations off Earth. They're not going to do it on their own. Because my wife loves Doctor Who and relates incredibly to the Earth always being in danger. Couldn't care less who the Romulans are.
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sorry l.a. suits
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Dec. 27, 2012, 12:17 a.m. CST
Khan is a *product of late 20th century engineering*, so Cumberbatch is probably one of those (cryotubed). Big whoop.
by justmyluck
Maybe a STII Mutara Nebula battle done with starships underwater, as Nicholas Meyer originally conceived that as submarine warfare. JJ's *mystery box* marketing never really surprises.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 12:21 a.m. CST
Why has everybody to be a 'galactic terrorist' nowadays!? The Joker in TDK was more subtle than that. And TWOK was so good because it was an intimate chamber play.
by The Comrade
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You have him imprisoned, but he's actually two steps ahead!
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i think justmyluck is a dicksucker.
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licks hairy assholes
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i just fucked your mom in the b!!!!!
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Dec. 27, 2012, 12:42 a.m. CST
Hey Khan! It's me your cousin MARVIN! MARVIN Noonien Singh! You know that vengence you've been looking for? Well listen to this!
by slder78
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you suck the sweat of an old mans balls.
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24 fps
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Dec. 27, 2012, 12:59 a.m. CST
Holy fuck, it takes two posts for the spelling Kahn to appear
by Keith
K H A N For the love of fuck.
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...so you buttfucks will calm the fuck down!
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P U S S Y you sound like the kind i like to fuck
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This is getting a bit fucking old. The Joker. Loki. Silva. Enough already.
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You speak as if that's a bad thing.
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I guess you are a chick? Uknowwho
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Chaka, Chaka, Chaka, Chaka Khan Chaka Khan, Chaka Khan, Chaka Khan Chaka Khan, let me rock you Let me rock you, Chaka Khan Let me rock you, that's all I wanna do Chaka Khan, let me rock you Let me rock you, Chaka Khan Let me rock you, let me feel for you Chaka Khan let me tell you what I wanna do Do you feel for me, the way I feel for you Chaka Khan let me tell you what I wanna do I wanna love you, wanna hug you, wanna squeeze you too Let me take you in my arms Let me fill you with my charms, Chaka 'Cause you know that I'm the one to keep you warm Chaka, I'll make you more than just a physical dream I wanna rock you, Chaka Baby, cause you make me wanna scream Let me rock you, rock you Baby, baby, when I look at you I get a warm feeling inside There's something about the things you do That keeps me satisfied I wouldn't lie to you, baby It's mainly a physical thing This feeling that i got for you, baby Makes me wanna sing CHORUS: I feel for you I think I love you I feel for you I think I love you MELLE MEL: Chaka Khan, let me rock you Let me rock you, Chaka Khan Let me rock you, that's all I wanna do Chaka Khan, let me rock you Let me rock you, Chaka Khan Let me rock you, let me feel for you Feel for you Baby, baby, when I lay with you There's no place I'd rather be I can't believe, can't believe it's true The things that you do to me I wouldn't lie to you, baby I'm physically attracted to you This feeling that I got for you, baby There's nothing that I wouldn't do CHORUS Yes sir, one more time Say yeah I feel for you (I think I love you) I feel for you (I, I, I think I love you) MELLE MEL: Chaka Khan, let me rock you Let me rock you, Chaka Khan Let me rock you, that's all I wanna do Chaka Khan, let me rock you Let me rock you, Chaka Khan Let me rock you, let me feel for you Chaka Khan won't you tell me what you wanna do Do you feel for me, the way I feel for you Chaka Khan let me tell you what I wanna do I wanna love you, wanna hug you, wanna squeeze you too Let me take you in my arms Let me fill you with my charms, Chaka 'Cause you know that I'm the one to keep you warm Chaka, I'll make you more than just a physical dream I wanna rock you, Chaka Baby, cause you make me wanna scream Feel for you I feel for you (Oooh, feel for you) I feel it too (Oooh, feel for you) I feel for you (Oooh, feel for you)
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get laid. that was sad.
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Has no one noticed that there was a character named "Harrison" on the episode "Space Seed", played by Ron Veto - who was on a total of 13 episodes of ST:TOS as various background characters? Others have definately said it before, but it bears repeating: what if Spock told Star Fleet about Khan, they went and picked him up and drafted his people into service? They may have decided Khan was to valuable to let go (or even wake up), but the rest of his people make an excellent strike force...all they need is a leader. He would be an "established character", as in he existed before, if only in the background. He is tied to Khan, but is not actually Khan, himself. If they took his highly charismatic leader away from him and forced him to do their dirty work, "Harrison" would have excellent motive for wanting revenge, don't you think?
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These fucking nerds arent happy with the most exhilirating scifi movie in years. I would have came buckets if we got a movie half as good as abrhams star trek when the phantom menace shit in our face.
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All I have to do is come to Aintitcool to read post after post, ripping said movie to pieces... So Star Trek II is the only good one then...check!
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...boring!!! And people bitch about Abrams not being able to come up with an original story.
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A waitress that worked at a local bar. Her name was Caprice...I walked right into making a joke about the car...A joke she's heard 1000 times which I thought was clever in my drunken state..It wasn't! Lens Flares!!!!
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Anybody who has seen the 9 minute preview knows why Kirk loses his Captain's chair. No big spoiler there.
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You are easily exhilarated.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 3:12 a.m. CST
I don't think the character will be renamed, I think the movie will be...
by tangcameo
...Star Trek: Redshirts' Revenge It'd be a laugh if he's just another Red Shirt but this time not only does he survive, he sets out to avenge all the other Red Shirts who died needless deaths on all the planets Starfleet has beamed down on.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 3:13 a.m. CST
Who the heck cares if he's Khan or Harrison or Mitchell - all I know if that Alice Eve better show some serious nipplage
by BrashHulk
MAKE IT SO!
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Harrison is actually Voltron.
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True, I'm afraid, though we called him 'Johnny Ache'.
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HE HAS NO PERSONALITY JUST COPY AND PASTE
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Dec. 27, 2012, 4:53 a.m. CST
the people complaining that it might be mostly set on earth...
by Whitemouse
Because Star Trek IV was all about being in space, right?
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Dec. 27, 2012, 5:01 a.m. CST
Will the plan to get captured plot device make sense this time?
by Mugato5150
I don't remember it in the Avengers but there was no reason for The Joker or Silva to intentionally get caught.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 5:21 a.m. CST
oh it worked so well in avengers and wasnt predictable at all!
by dioxholsters_scion
Only Dark Knight did it perfectly and wasw fucking awesome i pissed my pants in excitement.
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I believe I Khan fly.
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Here's how I see this going. There will be a scene where Khan is trying to move the cryo-tubes to the Botany Bay. One of his rivals thwarts this somehow because he thinks Khan is crazy to abandon Earth. Khan may be killed, or put in suspended animation to be revived for later mayhem. The supermen that were to go on the Botany Bay were instead transfered to a secure location on Earth to wait it out until conditions improve for them to take over. Khan's rival (Cumberbatch) has his stasis tube set to open at a preset time. Chaos ensues.
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stargate is better
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and that his mission is to free the crew of the Botany Bay.
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he's definitely referencing his story. Originally the character of Khan was to be called Harold Ericson, and later John Ericsson. Of Khan's three names, all the letters except one, can be found in the name John Harrison - han Noonin Sinh - the missing letters form the word Keg, which in an amazing coincidence...
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So you think that he loses it because they violate the prime directive to rescue Spock? If so then I wonder what effect it would have on that primitive culture? Would they worship this "bird" that flew out of the volcano just as the endothermic bomb went off and saved them? They might think it laid an egg that appeased the volcano God. or killed it.
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Why should other cultures have to repeat our mistakes when we could help guide them? To me that is akin to keeping your children ignorant and uneducated. It's not arrogance to think that we could help others avoid things like plagues,dark ages,hunger etc. To think that somehow the "natural evolution" of a culture is sacrosanct and that they must find their own way in the dark is arrogance if you ask me.
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Seriously they have frosted window coffins? Those are clearly some form of cryotube. But definitely his character is linked to Kahn. I don't think he is Kahn but they maybe setting him up. I think this character is definitely one of the Supermen.
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Because earth's history is full of instances where an advanced culture meets a primitive one and fucks with it, to nothing but positive results. Why would they take his command away for saving Spock though? In the other time line Kirk broke the PD all the time with no consequences. He cheats on a big Academy exam and they give him the keys to the E. Kirk's all about defying Starfleet without punishment. Unless you count getting busted down to Captain and given a new ship.
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Shinzon and Nero had those. I blame The Matrix.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 6:37 a.m. CST
“He’s responsible for a very violent, horrific attack in London and then one in the States
by Megaforce
Star Trek is about humanity coming together in ONE world without nations and exploring space together. It is not Gotham City, it is a Utopia for all
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yes the starving,disease ridden people in Africa have not benefited one iota from teaching them irrigation and farming or vaccinations. And yes sometimes the wrong modern culture is the one to make first contact and either genocide occurs or enslavement or a mix of both. But if a benevolent culture isn't the one to make first contact a malevolent one will.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 6:39 a.m. CST
Admiral Janeway should time travel and reset this universe
by Megaforce
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Dec. 27, 2012, 6:41 a.m. CST
There must be hundreds of decent Sci Fi ideas and scripts floating around Hollywood
by Megaforce
pick at least one that is set in space
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Dec. 27, 2012, 6:48 a.m. CST
I think this guy actually IS John Harrison, an original character, but, he is connected to Kahn in some way I bet
by FreeBeer
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Dec. 27, 2012, 6:53 a.m. CST
I fI had to guess Harrison is an augment and possibly a part of a group
by Chain
some terrorist Cult of Khan group that he's the leader of with a mission to capture a Starship and free the crew of the Botany Bay. The final shot of the movie could be those cryo pods opening.
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Don't you people read? Isn't this, like, your job? It's already been established that "John Harrison" basically = red shirt, ie the name was used for multiple, interchangeable characters on TOS. Come on, guys
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Dec. 27, 2012, 7:31 a.m. CST
I laughed so hard @ "Star Trek is about humanity coming together in ONE world without nations and exploring space together."
by SunTzu77
That made my day - thanks. LOL
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Dec. 27, 2012, 7:41 a.m. CST
Chain: It does seem like the simplest theory I've heard so far.
by Royston Lodge
No need for time-travel. Fits within canon. Straightforward and plausible.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 7:55 a.m. CST
Souffle Girl will kick him in the balls! 'Run now, you clever boy...'
by cameron
High hopes for this Star Trek movie with the awesome Benny Cumberbatch on board, but tis true...I do love me sum Souffle Girl...luck ol' Dr Who! :O
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Pretty clear that Harrison is an augment, likely covertly created by Starfleet (Peter Weller) and now seeking revenge on his masters much like Jason Bourne. He wreaks havoc on Earth before discovering information about Khan and then seeks out the Botany Bay - which has already been discovered by the Klingons. No doubt this will close with the awakening of Khan and crew.
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..is that I thought part of the purpose of the 'reboot' of the original crew was the idea of being able to tell new stories with characters that we have come to know over the years. I'm sure that I'm in the minority, but I'd much rather see new situations instead of each movie being a variation on a theme that we've seen before. They've gone through the effort of coming up with a way to put the TOS characters back in their prime, but not making them beholden to the established canon that came before. There's a clean slate, why not use that clean slate to come up with something different? I hope this has nothing at all to do with Khan or the Botany Bay.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 8:06 a.m. CST
Anyone that thinks Cumberbatch is Khan is dumb. Peter Weller is obviously Khan...
by MoPea
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Dec. 27, 2012, 8:22 a.m. CST
ABRAMS: You remember how awesome Khan was? Well our bad guy is awesomer-er.
by buggerbugger
He's five times better than Khan. Five times smarter, bigger, faster, meaner than Khan. He wears shoes that are five times the size of Khan's. He's like... you remember how awesome the Predator was when you first saw it? Awesome, right? And then they made things **even more** awesome by creating the Super Predator, right? Well, our bad guy is like the Super Predator Khan, because... just because. Oh, and he'll be easily beaten at the exact moment that the screenplay needs him to be easily beaten. Because we're shit writers. But up until that point? He's Super Awesome Bad Guy Who's Five Times Everything Than Khan. You'll love it!
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I seem to recall this line basically summing up old school Trek. Now it's all SPACE BATTLES, PEW PEW LAZORS. What happened there?
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Dec. 27, 2012, 8:38 a.m. CST
A scene in Star Trek III PROVES John Harrison is an augment!
by theDORK
Repeat! And Augment!
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Repeat! And Augment!
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hes the one that makes you sad.
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They've been mostly the TNG movies but Wrath of Khan, obviously Undiscovered Country, Kirk was accused of taking revenge against the Klingons for his pussy son's death. Indeed, Kirk wanted them dead for that. Generations, not exactly revenge although the villain was severely pissed at the Borg for killing his family. First Contact, Picard went batshit insane in his search for vengeance to the Borg for assimilating him. Insurrection, the Joan Rivers facial reconstruction aliens wanted revenge on their own people, to the colony that shunned then Nemesis, Picard's clone seeking revenge against the Romulans for what they did to him and the Remans Star Trek: Apple Store, the guy who was in the shitty Hulk movie destroys Vulcan out of revenge to Spock for letting his world get destroyed Into Darkness, some guy is on about something revenge-related. I'm sure revenge was exactly what Roddenberry had in mind. Star Trek by way of Quentin Tarantino.
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And dioxholsters_scion - Stargate ripped off every Star Trek episode ever made.
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Source that or STFU.
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An evolved Ceti Eel trying to find Chekov so it can rescue it's brother from his ear canal...
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OK, but do they, ya know, star trek? The trailer makes it seem like a lot of this movie takes place on, or in orbit around, earth. Isn't the star trekking what makes star be trek star trek?
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now let's get to the real question here... SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how the FUCK did Sherlock survive that fall from the hospital building at the end of the Season 2??? It's killing me... my brain hurts
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Dig on your theory. Slight variation: maybe he's setup with a completely new identity (either by agreement or some kind of tech), and eventually says no, or breaks free of it. Goes on the rampage we see. I could see Star Fleet wanting to use Khan as a tool, likely even against the recommendation of Spock/whoever. I don't _dislike_ another take on Khan in the ST:Flareverse, but I was kind of hoping for some completely new stories, now that JJ rebooted everything.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST
They'll probably introduce Khan in the last scene of this movie
by Mugato5150
Either this guy will be revealed to be Khan or Khan will wake up in the final scene. Jesus, I understand why you had to go back to the Kirk/Spock well even though with the Star Trek world you had an enormous universe to play in. You needed brand recognition but you have an audience now. Come up with some new shit.
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He has the balls to reset the timeline back... Data wakes up and this is all is first dream... Fuck me what shit. I'm going to go see it, I'll probably enjoy it to an extent, but IT IS NOT STAR TREK.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST
My guess is its another timeline splinter with this guy taking Khan's place.
by cockdiesel
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I think he's an augment that gets kicked out or incarcerated for BEING an augment after another group of them commits a crime and then turns on Starfleet for its prejudices.
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plus the movie is mostly -- except for a few of Meyer's dialog bits -- pitched at morons anyway (still TONS better than the Abrams POS.) The reveal of the replacement starship at end is nicely done, but it is dramatically nearly as much a cheat as bringing Spock back.
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and Mrs. Columbo turning into a lizard and fucking her helmsman. You haters don't know how good you have it. Shut the fuck up.
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Voyager had some goofy shit and you picked out the goofiest episode you could but I don't see these films doing anything close to the best of Deep Space Nine.
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The Joker wanted to get caught so that he could spring the Asian accountant dude from jail. Pay attention next time you watch a movie and criticize it.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST
ericbuckeye79 - I beg to differ.. 'JOOOHHHNNN!!' was put to good use in Commando...
by Chapeau
a little less threatening for sure... but memorable ..
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Was shooting a bazooka at Harvey Dent just a bluff? Did he know Jim Gordon was faking his death? Because if Gordon was the one who caught him, and he wanted to get caught, does that mean he didn't really want to kill the Mayor? Why did The Joker even want Lau? I get it, The Joker is chaos incarnate, he sort of just does things. So you can really just write off anything he does as he was just being an unpredictable anarchist.
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Looks like Star Trek holds firmly onto that old Klingon proverb.
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I totally wish Thomas Jane was in this movie. And he's not Kahn. He's Johnny Harrison and Kirk went back in time hooked up with his mom and is his father and now he's exacting revenge ....cause.....ya see the whales...... And Kahn....... I got nothin
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Even distant future Earth is not sufficient escapism.
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... it would be cool if, at the end of the movie, after he dies, his "followers" were put in cryo-ships and sent to space...
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Dec. 27, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST
In JJ's Trek universe, Khan is spelled Kohn, so replace the K with a J and you have John!!!!
by Naruto_Uzimaki
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Dec. 27, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST
I have seen this for over the holidays and its obvious Brian Cox is Sybok.
by JohnWayneWasGay
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hopefully this one will have a higher re-watchability factor than the last one. just saw avengers for like the umpteenth time. i know you guys are omniscient and you're absolutely right that its the exact same movie as transformers (even tho i hated that movie and couldn't watch it again if i tried) but i can watch that movie many times and still be entertained and enjoy it. jj's trek was entertaining and even fun but not really all that interesting. and certain things just take me right out of the movie immediately (real world beer distillery doubling as Enterprise engineering section or whatever - the disconnect is almost whiplash inducing. what were they thinking?)...but, overall, i just don't care to see it again. i'll watch this one on cable or rent it, whatever...and id love to be wrong in my current view and have a great movie worth watching more than once...whether it's what i consider 'star trek' or not (for the record, this just isn't trek to me - but that doesn't mean it can't be good for what it is even if it uses that name and fictional universe). tho - i still think all this back and forth and theorizing and conjecture simply cannot be worth the final result. again - love to be wrong on that. i hope all these posts and considered opinions and trailer analysis pans out in a fantastic movie. oh yeah...is it me or does cumberbatch look a helluva lot more like shattner than pine? not that it matters...but yes.
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He has many plans so depending how things worked out he could move right along. He would have been equally happy if Batman had run him down or Harvey had shot him in the face. He was just chasing cars.
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Wild geek guess here but perhaps he's Col. Green who "led a genocidal war against humanity" or what have you ...from "The Savage Curtain." Would prefer that or anything to Khan. Enough with Khan already.
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John = Joaquin
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Dec. 27, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST
I'm surprised Abrams didn't ask RON RIFKIN to play the über-villain. He, at least, has proven that he's capable of it.
by The Comrade
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Really seems like Abrams is given his way over every aspect of these films why would he even consider mining the whole Khan bit? It's assinine! It's really a shame with shows like Alias and Lost under his belt he really needs to go to Khan? He needs to stack the cards that much in his favor? Is he really that bereft of his own creativity you need to go for the gold right out of the gate? Why doesn't he come up with his own Khan, his own defining statement/moment, do something as cool but different, give the fans some new content, I have the Wrath of Khan in my library and have watched it a thousand time so what, he's gonna do it better? Really?
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To boldly stay where all men have stayed before.
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Remember, Khan (in TOS) was one of a race of "supermen" created during the Eugenics Wars in the 1990's. Harrison is described as a former Starfleet member. OTOH, this is an alternate reality where most if not all of the same people exist, they've just lived different lives. Perhaps in this reality, not all the "supermen" put themselves into SA on a spaceship -- but some did so on EARTH. So, Harrison could be another of Khan's enhanced race. Or maybe in this reality, Khan was put into SA on Earth and someone else was sent into space as captain of the SS Botany Bay. Hmmm...
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Dec. 27, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST
Imagine if Nolan asked us to guess who Heath Ledger was playing a few years back
by YackBacker
Abrams tries to make a mystery out of peanut butter and jelly. (yawn) Wake me up in 1.5 months when ToyFair drops the name of the real villain, etc.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST
I WILL SHARE THIS ONE MORE TIME. IT'S FACT, BUT FEEL FREE TO DENY IT IF THAT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER.
by Mark
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THIS ALTERNATE UNIVERSE KHAN DIES IN HIS CRYOTUBE, WHEREAS THE ORIGINAL KHAN WAS SAVED BY BONES. THE PERSON AWAKENED INSTEAD OF KHAN IS HARRISON. HE JOINS STARFLEET TO KEEP TABS ON HIS "FAMILY," WHICH STARFLEET HAS NOT DEFROSTED. ALSO, STARFLEET WANTED HIM TO JOIN UP SO THEY COULD STUDY HIM. HE GOES ROGUE AND DECIDES TO STRIKE AT THE HEART OF THE FEDERATION AND STARFLEET WHEN THEY REFUSE TO FREE HIS FAMILY. HE ENLISTS THE AID OF STARFLEET PERSONNEL (THE GUY IN THE PROLOGUE, ALSO SEEN IN THE TRAILER) AND WELLER'S CHARACTER.
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Liberals at the time are concerned with the dead being too hot and blind.
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and while i don't really care whom cumberbatch is playing, i have to think all this hype and manic speculation simply cannot be addressed with what will very likely be a good popcorn type of film and nothing more. the mystery and hype around the mystery is just absurd at this point. it's as if this movie is a riddle inside an enigma buried within a paradoxical conundrum. uhh..it's not. it's actually just a movie. i wish i was nearly as excited about guessing who's who and what every tiny fraction of trailer imagery means in terms of this or that obscure space seed moment or brother to the cousin's mechanic's great grandma who might or might not have been a bit player standing next to montalban in the original episode. makes me wonder if they're trying to forcibly engineer a new 'normal'. one where hype and the various false leads and real leads are an 'event' regardless of the content and context of the film itself. it worked for cloverfield as no one had seen that movie or knew anything about it outside of some basics (something large...its a lion! attacking new york, shaky cam, screaming and yelling, etc, etc). but with star trek? mystery of the unknown yes but mystery of the timeline altered remake? really? and with the new timeline, they're not doing new stories? not even a little bit? just slightly changed retreads of stuff we've already seen. and it gets this much freakin attention and hype?! not knocking you guys at all here. im actually happy your so excited (means film is alive and well regardless) but still a little puzzled by its enormity. im giddy-psyched for pacific rim, edwards godzilla. hell, even the next star wars film if it ever happens...but for jj's trek to have earned this much attention prior to release would mean it must be the greatest, most popular science-fiction/action movie of all time. and, clearly, it's not. good. yes. but certainly not worth this much hype and attention. the whole thing seems manipulative to me...patronizing...and ultimately self-defeating to the production (no way it lives up to this much speculation - it's all but impossible to do so for any film). ill admit my bias against the hype and marketing campaign (not the film itself)...but still...seems unworthy of this much attention given its ultimately just another remake/retread.
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On whose side?
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Dec. 27, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST
Galactic terrorist? How fucking mainstream of you Mr. Abrams.
by MajorFrontbum
What ever happened to the Star Trek I once knew? You know, the ones where they explored the final fucking frontier? What is this bullshit?!
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He starts talking to Spock and Kirk and the first act of the movie is in flashback or something, then we hit real time.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST
Mystery is the only thing JJ can do well. But behind the mystery lurks the great void. JJ doesn't stand for content, he stands for mystifying non-existent content!
by The Comrade
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This was stated before, but i think Spock Prime helped Starfleet locate the Botany Bay and Khan. I think John Harrison is an augment from that crew or Starfleet used augment tech to make him. My guess is at the end of the film John Harrison will locate and release the augments or Khan will have mysteriously have disappeared. Setting up a third installment. Given the poularity of Khan it would insane for him not to show up at some point. It would take some big ones to actually kill Khan off screen.
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It's Finnegan the flamboyant Irish upperclassman who tormented Kirk during his time at Starfleet Academy
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*sorry I'm late. ;-)
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Is stressed in the trailer. Kirk yells at "Johnny" after he stole his step-fathers car. John is Kirk's brother / half-brother / step-brother. What was his step-father's last name? I can't find it ever being mentioned, either. Watch Alias again from the beginning and see if you don't agree with me, because JJ's story ideas role back around continually. Just tweaked a little.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST
chain the Prime Directive is not based on self-guided evolution being sacrosanct
by Autodidact
It's based on the idea that a more advanced culture/civilization will always take advantage or have a negative impact on the lesser developed culture/civilization. Think about what happened to the native americans who were "discovered" by the more advanced european explorers. Virtual extinction.
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Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home didn't spend much time in space. Heck ... they didn't even have a Starship Enterprise at all ... and it's still considered one of the best Trek movies to date. .... testament to what an original plotline, good script and better director (Nimoy) can accomplish.
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Your synopsis sounds believable to me, but then again every time I read a Jettli93 post, I believe those too (until I check the name and remember, oh yeah, crazy bullshit inside info is the guy's schtick). So I was wondering, how did you come by this info? Or is it just speculation?
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Doesn't matter who he's playing. I want to see more Trek, and if this is the way to get it back on television I'm all for it. I don't miss Brannon Braga or Rick Berman at all. I do miss Ron Moore and Steven Ira Behr. Hell, give those two the reins to some Trek. Doesn't matter what. Hire Bryan Fuller and grab René Echevarria for show runners and get a ship out there doing what TOS did in the 60s and that's putting women in really cool costumes!
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John is, of course, one of the most common names in the world. As well, the fact that Harrison seems to have a genuine English accent kind of nixes that theory.
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I would prefer the villain be someone we already know rather than some "new" character whom we are supposed to believe it a bigger threat then the iconic villains of the past. ... They did that with the first movie. This time out they need to follow the concept they started in the first. That despite major events, certain things are "destined" to take place. IE: The friendship/relationship between Kirk and Spock, the coming together of the enterprise crew, etc. The same needs to go for some of the villains, dilemma, antagonists. The idea was to deviate somewhat from the events of the original trek voyages, but not completely. Personally, I believe there needs to continue to be ties between this new trek and the old. Personally, I believe a plot involving Sybok or Soran, or even Q would do this serious more justice than introducing someone new. Especially if this someone new is just there to "introduce" us to a cameo appearance by Khan. That's in insult to us all really.
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http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Tolian_Soran This sure looks like it could be an older version of the guy on that Empire cover.
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Robert April, first captain of the NCC-1701. Or else he's Governor Cory of the Elba II penal colony where Garth is being held. Considering that there is some evidence that April *is* in the movie, I'm going with that one.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST
Khhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnn!!! Jooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnn!!! Sounds practically the same to me!
by MoPea
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I hope this version has some sort of back story so I can understand where the character comes from. Just saying
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How can Ben possibly know where they are when he's a prisoner???
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..am suddenly looking forward to this a bit more.
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is this a combination of Garth and Mitchell? Perhaps the bad guy, Harrison, is actually a combination of two characters. It's possible that John Harrison is John Harrison. My wife seems to think so. She thinks Abrams is laughing at all this speculation.
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He's playing some alternate future version of Picard.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST
He DOES look a lot like Joaquin actually! Maybe Joaquin was the only one to survive a Botany Bay disaster and holds Earth responsible!
by Dogmatic
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Absolute shite. Not just the crappy Par wraith/prophet crap storyline either, you had that crappy lounge singer, Ezri Dax and for me and worst of all was taking the most interesting multifaceted charachter, Gul Dukat (and brilliantly played by the actor) and his relationship with Kira and turned him into a 1-d caricature with a really shit motivation to boot. Dumar kills his daughter so he is gonna blame Sisko!!!!!!!....... As for Sisko his mother was mind raped by a prophet so she can have sex with his dad to give birth to him!!!!! ........... No one even seemed fucking bothered by an innocent woman getting raped either, so much for morals.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST
What's the obsession with Khan all about ? just because it was one of the better Star Trek movie we all assume a Hollywood remake some how get a life and an original story at least, is VGER going to attack Earth at some point !
by Torben
And when's Q going to appear !
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Botany Bay was discovered much earlier in this timeline (this time by a commercial vessel). Khan/Weller has been thawed for decades now planning his takeover of not only Earth, but the Federation to form a new order. Using his offspring to work his way into the Federation he'll have the perfect sleeper agent to do his bidding and wreck the fleet along with subverting the Klingons, Romulans and any other major space-faring species.
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I wager 50 Quatloos that Cumberbatch is either playing Garth of Izar or some kind of Jem'Hadar Vorta / Tribble hybrid whacked on Ketracel-white cut with bath salts.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST
I didn't read through the complete talk-back, so I apologize in advance if someone already mentioned this...
by tritium
Cumberbatch's character can't have anything to do with Kahn and his group, because the actor states (in the quote) that his character was formerly a Starfleet officer. Starfleet didn't even exist at the time of the "Eugenic Wars", that created Kahn and his minions.
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Johnathon Frakes to walk out at the end, say "End Program.... who loaded this fan-fic shit in the holodeck computer again? Probably that retard, Wesley...." #savemytrek #fuckjjabrams
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Dec. 27, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST
Agree with aboriginal. "Harrison" is one of the other supermen.
by MCVamp
Khan in turn being set up as a multi-movie big bad. How trite. They'll probably shoehorn the Borg and Dominion in there somewhere to bring in Trek elements from everywhere.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST
Don't know or care if he's Khan, but I know that SOMETHING is augmented...
by AdmiralXizor
Those are the biggest jacket lapels I have ever seen... :) Whatever. The movie's going to rock, and the haters can all suck it. Bond reboots every decade, and nobody accuses EON of crapping on the fans... Geez.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST
So it's a rip-off of Bourne Legacy which is a rip-off of Captain America in a self-hating age of conspiracy?
by Boober
I guess you could throw Wolverine in there as well...Heck, throw all the "Super Weapon turns on it's creators" themed movies in there...Someone tell me how this is going to make me want to go see it. Because Kirk will get humbled at great cost, then recognize and accept his shortcomings, and then reconcile with some clever yet arrogant twist that wins the day.
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...sigh.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 6:06 p.m. CST
friend of kaaaaahhhhhhnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by chainsaw autotune
its gonna have to be a really good movie to overcome the disappointment fans are gonna feel walking out of the theater if no kahn shows up. next giant transformer robots as vger that wants revenge against the ship's computer database.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST
If Pine's lips get any more "augmented than they are, Spock's human side is going to kiss him.
by Boober
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Dec. 27, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST
It won't be Khan... It can't be Khan... whatever it is will probably have to do with the alternate timeline and its effect on the Star Trek universe...
by Richard Taylor
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Dec. 27, 2012, 6:59 p.m. CST
bah, Peter Weller's role is probably just another throw-away part like Tyler Perry's was.
by Squinty CGI Flynn
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was possibly in this, based on a friend who told me about set construction docs with life support tubes (now confirmed in the trailer): http://www.aintitcool.com/node/53822
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Points to certainly agree/disagree with, however, you made my statement true; when was the last time we had Trek on the tube to even bash? Good or bad (and you're right, much of it was bad) it was fun, and I think that's what's missing from US TV right now. That and women in short skirts.
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If you're going to be a rock, be a rock. In the meantime: Product JACK REACHER is now up to 60% on RT. Product THE HOBBIT: AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY has experienced a similar uptick to 65%. Quelle surprise.
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i also thought those were coffins after that attack on star fleet. never thought those were cryo tubes.
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...so was Khan....
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Revenge is for his mother father and everyone else.
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Dec. 27, 2012, 11:47 p.m. CST
John Harrison is Wesley Crusher. Read this whole wikipedia article on this clockmaker John Harrison who
by kbarber29
worked on creating clocks for ships at sea. He gained Grahams attention, the guy who is considered the father of modern face clocks. Harrison betrayed England, including orders from James Cook and joined Spain during their war in the 1700's giving them his technology. In Trek verse, with everything I can link, this all translates into the following theory. The Time Traveler and Wesley are jettisoned into this alternate timeline, years have passed since the last movie, Wesley from all his studying as a child knows what Starfleet has encountered during Kirk's days. Wesley, unlike old Spock, can not live with the way the Terran Empire is developing. Kirk is dismissed for helping Wesley accomplish his mission to restore the original timeline after having a Lost like flashback from touching the glass because the event of Spock sacrificing himself happens just like it did in Star Trek 2. Wesley may in fact be John Harrison, having replaced him before he even took classes at Starfleet.
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the doomsday machine. i wish.
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Are you smoking too much crack ? Wesley crusher will never appear in this.
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A room full of coffins with widows. No way More importantly they have fucking windows which are iced over. Duh!! And there are a lot of them all the same all iced over in one room? Ya really think they are coffins? Nope
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A room full of coffins with windows. No way More importantly they have fucking windows which are iced over. Duh!! And there are a lot of them all the same all iced over in one room? Ya really think they are coffins? Nope
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Back in time for some fun revenge on young Kirk and the young more vulnerable federation and the new post apocalyptic world which exiled him he obviously is not Khan as he looks nothing like Khan either the Asian dark skin makeup of STTOS or TWOK. Maybe his son. Who has been in starfleet a while studying the ways of statfleet and its exploitable holes.
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If its a revenge story they can't have a guy show up for revenge in the movie who we don't know because then we won't know his back story. No one would care about his thirst for revenge but if we the viewers could relate and know the back stoey from frame one it would make sense and his anger would make sense immediately.
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The origin of "bones" is all wrong-- bones is short for sawbones a word meaning doctor, especially a surgeon. Fail Abrams
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Dec. 28, 2012, 2:05 a.m. CST
John Harrison was baptized under the name John Harrison Singh... he's Hans Gruber's...I mean...Khan Singh's brother
by Ali Kerim Bey
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It's good to see a new generation of youngsters like you coming onto this board to try your hand at posting.
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Dec. 28, 2012, 4:28 a.m. CST
I'd REALLY laugh if this timeline's version of Khan was played by...
by tangcameo
...Eugene Levy ;-) RICH CORINTHIAN LEATHERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! Then he and Karl Urban could do Death Of A Salesman. If you know your SCTV you'll know what the hell I'm talking about.
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BEST SHOW ON TV EVER
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Even if they're cryopods I don't think it's Khan.
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I'd prefer it if Count Floyd was the villain.
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Dec. 28, 2012, 8:32 a.m. CST
Will Kirk be made commander-in-chief of Starfleet on the spot,
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
in the beginning of the movie, in this one? And then President of the Federation in the stinger in the credits?
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Small details are important When we fail at them it is because we are lazy, ignorant, or just don't care. JJs nutrek was a good Acton movie. But it got soooooo many things things wrong about trek that i wonder , ate they stupid or was it their hubris ? Details like "bones" just glares that they didn't know the source material well enough I must be the only one who wishes some TNG characters show up .. ?
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Allow me to open by saying that the whole "all I got left is my bones" bugged me, too. However, I generally loved Karl Urban in the role so, I fool myself into accepting it by thinking "that was the start of it, but it proliferated and stuck due to 'sawbones'". I have known a few people who go by nicknames that started one way but became commonly used for another, so my delusion holds. :P
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Maybe this results in a only fools and horses start trek crossover. in which Delboy and that plonker Wesley Crusher go cruising the galaxy in a converted three wheel robin reliant after a time continuum event results in Del boy never becomes rich as he never finds the missing John Harrison watch. David Jason has never been more average in his performance as Ricardo Montalbans fake chest. He is Khan
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I'm surprised we haven't ripped a hole in the internet itself because of how much bitching and moaning goes on in here. Every person in this post will likely see the movie. The really dumb ones will go into it like a toddler being forced to eat and fold their arms and shake their heads as if they're somehow better than this movie. But they'll eventually slip into the film as it works it's escapist charm on them. I'm gonna list some things that nobody gives a fuck about now; Canon, your opinions, how bones name originated, lens flares, new actors playing old parts, tie-ins from other story lines, why spock did something, too much action, not enough action, DS9 or anything else you somehow think is relevant because you brought it up as some tangential bitching point. Most all of the other treks films and shows had all kinds of problems. People in here think they're gaurdians of some sacrosanct lore that impacts all our lives. You're not and it doesn't.
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Wrong.
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I'm a Trekkie myself, and I've had enough of the sanctimonious hate...
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Real Trek fans should not support this piece of shit for a star trek movie.the rest can go fuck themselves.
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Isn't Khan supposed to be ripped to shreds due to being a genetically engineered super-warrior or something along those lines?
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...from Star Trek V- seeking vengeance for all of Sybok's huggings. <BR> Who will save the federation from "God's" wrath? The "good" "God" from The Mirror Universe?
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Just because no one wants to read your fanfiction you wrote in 10th grade doesn't mean you can attack other people contributions... enjoy the movie that's ON THE SCREEN next year (you know you're going to go at least twice) and try to keep zipper up; there may be kids in the audience. In the meantime, take your sanctimonious "I decide what REAL Trek fans should like" bullshit and shove it up your non-contributing wannabe cyber-bully ass. That is all.
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Dec. 28, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST
@admiralxizor i despise fanfiction. and guess what. JJ's NuTrek is
by frank
a big-budget fanfiction movie for the sheep-consumers who call themselves Trek fans. Oh is it Khan? or is it not? who is the british guy playing? maybe Gary Mitchell. gee, i wish he is Khan, and that he is a badass in the movie like in the original,and he kills people with his cool looking cgi pew pew, because he is my favorite st villain and i want to buy his new toys, and he is badass, and i like watching pew pew,shit i am drooling now. See? THAT'S what i despise and that's what happening right now with this reboot abomination. but i guess, it is too a difficult for a moron like you to understand this simple truth.
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Dec. 28, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST
HI, I'M HARPER54. SINCE I LACK ANY ORIGINAL THOUGHTS OF MY OWN AND AM A DUMBASS
by Mark
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Dec. 28, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST
I ATTEMPT TO SEEM COOL AND FASHIONABLE BY BASHING PEOPLE EXPRESSING THEIR OPINIONS
by Mark
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Dec. 28, 2012, 7:33 p.m. CST
PLEASE BE AWARE OF JUST HOW FUCKING KEWL I AM. SINCERELY, HERPES54
by Mark
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Dec. 28, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST
Breaking news! *Spoiler alert* Peter Weller is actually...
by BrashHulk
BUCKAROO BANZAI! He, most of the Hong Kong Cavaliers, and some Blue Blazer Regulars have been thrust forward in time by the evil Hanoi Xan and the World Crime League! Will Buckaroo find the fabled and rare Yellow Kryptonite Gem and make it back to the 80s before female shoulder pads start growing out of control and devouring women's heads?! The supremely jealous Hanoi Xan hatched this nefarious plot due to her already very wide shoulders looking utterly ridiculous in the trendy clothes of the time, and thus placed gas pellets in all female shoulder pads... for her ultimate revenge!
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Dec. 28, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST
"STAR", "TREK": Get out a dictionary if you don't understand the words.
by ironburl
There is a reason we expect this series to be set outside of Earth.
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John Smallberries
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went to a planet that looked like an old western town with aliens that dressed like Hogan's Heroes Nazis, that is the STAR TREK I remember.
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You probably missed my post upthread, but I was wondering where you got your synopsis. Is it sourced or is it just speculation on your part?
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In the 9 minute preview they had a chance for a really funny moment (Kirk asking Bones what Spock would do if the situation they were in was reversed). They played it as straight drama, and I think it was a mistake. Just one line in one scene--but that could be a bad omen. Who knows. The rest of the preview was rather awesome though.
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He looks like a dandy, not threatening at all. If he's Khan, I'll laugh. That pale fucker ain't no khan.
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Dec. 29, 2012, 1:36 a.m. CST
idiots, all of you. pure and simple from the 8th dimension.
by Nintendarth
Here's the deal. Everyone HATED the show ENTERPRISE. Therefore, beyond a joke like the dog, they're NOT going to reference actual plot points from it. See how that works? Now, get back into your hole.
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SWEAR to effing gahd I did -not- see your post when I riffed Buckaroo above.
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Americans are starting to get sick of all the brits they have to see. Cumberbatch and Piers Morgan are breaking points. I think we need to ban brits. They are garbage.
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Dec. 29, 2012, 6:51 a.m. CST
Khan's brother - Comic Khan, he's the funny kid in the family
by CaptainAction
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Coming to America. Stealing all our best actor jobs. A lot of em don't even speak the language properly. Started with that Patrick Stewart I reckon. They should know their place. Keep em playing slightly camp preening villains where they belong. That there Jeremy Irons knows his place. Unlike that uppity Christian Bale.
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So he's either Khan, or one of Khan's henchmen...so he's basically Khan. *yawn* Wake me when someone else gets this franchise..hopfully someone with some inspiration.
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Which would be cool.
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And I totally agree with the idea that JJ is all about mystifiying the content... that's why Super 8 was just a fail. In the end, it's just meh- that's it?!? No repeat value at all.
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Thank me later.
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That's right, in Ye Olde Man's Star Trek of Yore, they traveled to "real" alien planets, which either looked remarkably like Southern California and/or a weirdly lit soundstage with paper-mache rocks. <BR> On these strange alien worlds were squeaking mutant fried eggs flying about, giant sausage pizzas digging tunnels through rock, genocidal computer overlords, slow-moving lizards, sociable dwarves, farmers on drugs, dead space hippies, racists, cowboys, nazis, romans, gangsters, civil war reenactments, society for creative anachronism role-playing events, scantily-clad space bimbos, etc., and/or some disembodied energy cloud, god or god-like being that usually spoke through an echoplex. <BR> Maybe Cumberbatch is playing Apollo, as in "Who Mourns for Adonais."
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Dec. 29, 2012, 9:36 p.m. CST
Star Trek: The Voyage Home. Set on earth. Star Trek: First Contact. Set on Earth. Besides, Earth is...
by American Mythos
... only one place where this film appears to take place. The beginning apparently opens on an alien planet and another big setting is apparently the Klingon homeworld.
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Dec. 30, 2012, 2:08 a.m. CST
For a while I actually thought Palpatine was a clone of Darth Sidious, and when he became Emperor there would be a big reveal, and Sidious would then slaughter Palpatine like a cow that wasn't needed anymore... similar to how he "betrayed" Dooku. ...Goin
by Ali Kerim Bey
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Dec. 30, 2012, 7:25 a.m. CST
Hey nabster, maybe the rest of the world should ban Hollywood?
by Gary Makin
Idiot.
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Dec. 30, 2012, 7:27 a.m. CST
Funny how those criticizing the 9 minute preview aren't mentioning how audiences are giving it rounds of applause.
by Gary Makin
Unlike The Hobbit.
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screamed out--"When is something going to happen in this motherfucking movie? Mooooooooooove!" Ordinarily that would have annoyed me--but with horror I realized that the guy in question was me. I got an ovation and many laughs--two things the movie didn't get.
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You ADMIT you have no idea what the movie is about, yet you shit on it and the fans who actually are willing to give it a chance. Did you actually watch the trailer for WoK..? Thought not. How about TMP? Guess what. They CHANGED THE FUCKING SHIP IN EACH MOVIE. Uniforms too. And the tone. Alien designs. And the operations (when in TOS did the actually make a show of LOADING photon torpedoes). And the transporter effects. Would you REALLY have been happy if Abrams reverted to the effects of TOS in the new timeline? Huh. Pusscake. Anyway, you want to see decades-old effects, watch New Voyages. You set yourself up as some sort of purist, but believe it or not, there are Trek fans who have watched every episode of TOS, TNG, VOY, and ENT, and all movies, who still respect Abrams contribution to the franchise. And like it or not, asshole, that's exactly what Star Trek is. If you would admit that you're actually going to see the fucking movie, I might have some grudging respect for your 6-months early disappointment, however misguided. But in the meantime you've exposed yourself as a self-important poser who has no business deciding what's an "abomination" or not, much less shit on those who disagree with you. Now, to paraphrase Elim Garak, get the fuck out of here before I say something unkind. That is all.
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just watched the Gary Mitchell episode from TOS the other day and you can see so many basic images that also appear in the trailer...Mitchell's blond nurse accomplice looks EXACTLY like Alice Eve's Carol Marcus, even though it's a different character she wears blue in both and has the exact same haircut...the scene where Cumberbatch is in the cell is an almost exact replica of the interrogation scene with Gary Mitchell...both are "kind of superhuman"...while I'm sure the character name of John Harrison is correct his character was absolutely inspired by Gary Mitchell's story...no doubt in my mind...but like Star Trek a few years ago Abrams is doing things differently and creating his own unique universe while paying homage to the past
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