Review

Harry says DJANGO UNCHAINED could very well be his favorite Quentin Tarantino movie yet!

Published at: Dec. 22, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST

 

Quentin is at it again, creating his own cinematic reality for us all to play in.   This time Quentin focuses upon a pre-Civil War American South.  He creates a legend of DJANGO UNCHAINED.  Technically unrelated to those Spaghetti Westerns… until you notice the viscera in the gun fights, which goes well past Leone or Peckinpah and lands firmly in the blessed gory zone of Sergio Corbucci… if not even a tad further.  

 

Quentin’s DJANGO UNCHAINED is my favorite film he’s made.  

 

Why?

 

I grew up in the macho Blaxploitation films of the 1970s…   I saw at the Drive-In everything from THE SOUL OF NIGGER CHARLEY to TAKE A HARD RIDE to KID VENGEANCE…   Along with the more modern day Black Empowerment films.   In the Seventies, I grew up with magnificent leading men like Jim Brown, Jim Kelly and Fred Williamson.   I saw MANDINGO & DRUM on initial release, but…  as much as I’ve loved this genre of film…  they were made on the cheap.   The writing and acting was entertaining, but not particularly fulfilling.   They made me believe in the notion of African-American Heroes.   I could see these heroes fight for their rights and the rights of their brothers & sisters and I loved it.

 

Here, Quentin takes those Western Blaxploitation films and combines it with the SOUTHERNS like MANDINGO & DRUM…   but…  frankly, he just does it way the fuck better than they’ve ever done this type of Exploitation.  

 

People that want to get offended, if you want to see the film that will really offend you, try ADDIO ZIO TOM aka GOODBYE UNCLE TOM…  it came out the year I was born in 1971 – and when I played it at BUTT-NUMB-A-THON several years ago – it actually offended me.   And you all know that I’m about as cinematically deviant as they come.    Gold hands.   That’s all I’ll say.  

 

Quentin has made a film about an empowered slave named Django.   He’s collected by what at first seems like a traveling Dentist that comes across some Slave Trading folks in the woods one night.   This is Dr. King Schultz, now my favorite Christoph Waltz character…   yes, even greater than Hans Landa.   Waltz plays a bounty hunter that needs Jamie Foxx’s Django who had been previously owned by a trio of evil bastard brothers.   You see the great Django is the only person that Waltz knows that can identify them.   So he frees Django, but then finds himself in a precarious ethical quandary, because you see Dr. King Schultz despises slavery.   It repulses him.  So he strikes a deal with Django, that if he helps him bag these 3 bastards, he’ll be paid and set free.

 

It’s best not to have the twists and turns of DJANGO UNCHAINED spoiled for you, but it is also my job to talk about the film.   So do realize that I may go into some spoilers.  Before I do – let me tell you, this is a supremely entertaining story about one man born a slave who goes on to write a different story for himself.  It is kinda like SPARTACUS without being like ARENA with Pam Grier.

 

For a goodly portion of the story, we’re with Christoph and Jamie as they bag various bad men for the loot they represent.    You see Dr. King teaching Django how to handle himself and we see that Django was born to kill.   He not only has the motivation, but he cherishes the notion that as a man bearing the whip marks of his fellow man, that by becoming a bounty hunter – he found his purpose in life.  

 

There’s more to Django than killing though.   Django has a love.   A forbidden love.  Married in secret.   He might be separated from her, but often his Broomhilda is in his thoughts.  Ever present in his mind.   Cinematically this is shown, but I began to attribute it to a look on his face.

 

As the film goes on, Django changes.  He ceases to be a man that looks at his feet and the ground, and becomes a fully engaged person.   Once he gets a taste for that, once Dr. King is motivated to help him free his wife and take on Django as his partner in Bounty Hunting….  Well, there’s no going back.  

 

When the film becomes about the specific mission to rescue Broomhilda…  once Dr. King sees that this young man he has taken in, is actually upon a quest straight out of his beloved DIE NIBELUNGEN… and that Django is in actuality a surrogate SIEGFRIED, he takes it with a degree of Nationalistic Pride.  As a German, he is duty bound to help Django free his Broomhilda from the Dragons of the South.

 

Enter Calvin Candie as brought to life by Leonardo DiCaprio.   It’s my favorite DiCaprio character (at least until Gatsby, but even then I predict).   Calvin Candie has been raised generationally as a slave owner.   Now as the head of the family, he has turned his family home into CANDIE LAND, he breeds and trains Mandingo fighters.   Slaves that were pitted against one another.   Christoph Waltz’s Dr. King pretends to be someone that wants to enter the pit fighting arena.   He introduces Django as being his expert judge of fighting stock.   And their charade has begun.  

 

Money is the carrot – they must play their parts perfectly and then they’ll save his precious Broomhilda…  but with all men on a mission plots, shit goes wrong – and the one thing they did not count on was Samuel L Jackson’s Stephen.

 

We’re not given a terrible lot to know about Stephen, but if we take a look at the context in which his character is framed, we know that he has raised Calvin Candie from birth and that perhaps even before that, he could very well have been Calvin’s father’s personal slave.   We don’t know.   But we do know that Stephen tends to be the Mr. Carson of CANDIE LAND.   Stephen is proud of the home and the traditions that he keeps alive there.   He isn’t just a happy house slave that we’ve seen in many a vintage film.   Stephen is dedicated to Calvin.   More than that, he looks out for Calvin’s best interest.   When Dr. King Schultz and Django show up, Stephen can smell the game.   He’s instantly suspicious.   As house help, he’s able to notice things and not be noticed.  

 

I love Sam Jackson.   When the shit that goes down goes down – and the horror that he expresses.   People have been calling him one of the great screen villains, but I don’t see it that way at all.

 

Slavery is a beyond fucked up thing.   But Stephen’s character shows the truly fucked up side to SONG OF THE SOUTH.   To me, I give Stephen the Uncle Remus back story.   Calvin Candie could totally be a grown up Bobby Driscoll.   And Stephen no doubt told him and his sister stories growing up.   I absolutely believe that Stephen loves Calvin.   And their scene in the library flips their entire relationship upside down.  NOW – having said all that, SONG OF THE SOUTH takes place on the other side of the Civil War in Reconstruction,   Which is why Uncle Remus could be dismissed by the ignorant whites that he worked for.  

 

Yes, I’m relating to cinematic characters written by Tarantino via other characters that I’ve seen in films not directed by Quentin…  but I also know that that’s how Quentin thinks.   These characters are an extension of a cinematic memory.

 

The film has SONG OF THE SOUTH in it, just as it has SOUL OF NIGGER CHARLEY, Spaghetti Westerns, MANDINGO & DRUM and yes, even GONE WITH THE WIND.    This is Quentin’s comment upon that cinematic history.  This is what he adds to the jambalaya. 

 

This is Quentin taking an entire history – a fictional history & adding to it.   Making a film so cool, that it will hopefully open up a level of appreciation for films like King Vidor’s HALLELUJAH!   At the same time, I know that the film will offend folks that don’t want to imagine this particular era, the language of the era or the violence of the era.   Me – I’ve always sought this stuff out.  

 

There’s a whole history of cinema that’s out there – and Quentin does a wondrous job of playing with it.   When the shit hits the fan, he has the most fun with it.

 

This brings us to the thought – should we as Americans be having fun with something as abhorrent as our shameful history?  

 

In my opinion, absolutely.   I feel there is a weird healing process to be sitting in a movie theater with your fellow filmgoers of every race and creed and cheer for a hero like Django.  

 

When I saw DJANGO UNCHAINED, it was upon my birthday, December 11th, 2012.   I was ecstatic when I saw that the screening was set for December 11th.    The theater, a screen far too small for the number of people that wanted in, was filled with critics and film aficionados here in Austin.  

 

We laughed & cheered.   We were horrified by some things, but mainly by the end we were thoroughly exhilarated.   That Quentin could transfer his brain of cinematic insanity so perfectly… so deftly – that the running time felt too short, rather than long.   By the time the story was over – I couldn’t think of a single thing I could add.

 

I’ve thought a lot about Django Unchained.   The only thing I would have wanted would have been if at the very end, you’d seen Django go to the Mandingo area and get the 3 badasses there and recruit them into his own All Black Bounty Hunting group of badasses.   But that would only signal my own desire for Quentin to create more films from this root.    With KILL BILL, he made me wish that he only made badass kung fu flicks.   With INGLORIOUS BASTERDS he made me want him to just make more and more Nazi fighting movies.    With PULP FICTION, I was dying to see Sam Jackson walking the Earth having adventures afterwards.    

 

After this, I just want a whole series of films that show the good Dr and Django cleaning up the scum of the South.    I’ve only seen the film once thus far, but I can tell you with absolutely certainty, that simply won’t do.   Quentin makes films worth memorizing.  This is no different. 

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  • Dec. 22, 2012, 9:32 p.m. CST

    first

    by SpencerBarnes

    I tease hard.

  • Dec. 22, 2012, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Wow Harry liked it? Big Surprise!

    by mikeaz123

  • Dec. 22, 2012, 9:40 p.m. CST

    BEST Review Harry's written in a while, Niiiice!

    by NeverTalksBack

    Can't WAIT for Django Unchained!

  • Dec. 22, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST

    I've seen Django for about a month now

    by Atticus Finch

    And when I say that...I mean it, and you'll know why I meant what...I said.

  • Dec. 22, 2012, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Refer to yourself in 1st and 3rd person?

    by MCS

    That's ok, it happens

  • Dec. 22, 2012, 9:51 p.m. CST

    I grew up on macho blaxploitation films..

    by theBigE

    Harry, I dig your site, have been here for years, but why do you write that stuff? You know every fanboy TB'er here is going to give you crap for that in your review. But I appreciate your enthusiasm for the film, and I'm looking forward to seeing it next week.

  • Dec. 22, 2012, 9:52 p.m. CST

    You're so 2 weeks ago, atticus finch.

    by theBigE

    That phrase is has been done to death already.

  • Dec. 22, 2012, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Had to google some of these obscure namedrops

    by joe90025

    And Harry, you shouldn't have been watching blaxploitation movies at your tender age.

  • Dec. 22, 2012, 10:03 p.m. CST

    He's not exaggerating....

    by Jarek

    It really is very, very good.

  • Dec. 22, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST

    wow harry

    by Creative

  • Dec. 22, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Says you thebige.

    by Deceased Fan

    I say for about a month now will be funny for about a month now. After that we'll see.

  • Dec. 22, 2012, 11 p.m. CST

    I officially give up.

    by Jacob Underhill

  • How you do fuck up the TITLE of your review?

  • Dec. 22, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST

    I can't wait to see this!

    by AntonStark

  • Dec. 22, 2012, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Th

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Dec. 22, 2012, 11:40 p.m. CST

    You're wrong, deceased...

    by theBigE

    been decided already. No longer funny. Nothing you can do about it.

  • Dec. 22, 2012, 11:48 p.m. CST

    OK spoiler question...

    by kem070396

    Why does James Remar play TWO ROLES in the same movie??? It ripped me right out of the narrative and nobody has mentioned it or explained it. Such a stupid thing, but it just bothers the shit out of me.....

  • Dec. 22, 2012, 11:49 p.m. CST

    What about Chief Dan George?

    by James

    I guess Chief Dan George just has nothing to do with this movie, then. Well, does Django find problems? Can you at least tell us that?

  • Dec. 22, 2012, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Dedrek

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Don't you fucking give up. You stick to your Harry-skewering guns, godammit!

  • Dec. 22, 2012, 11:59 p.m. CST

    THIS IS NO DIFFERENT, then how can it be Harry's favorite?

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    The last sentence erases all meaning from the title and the review. Why end the review with that sentence? It made the whole review end up looking like bullshit instead of something with substance and meaning. I think the Alzheimer's plaque has officially started clogging Harry's brain. This makes me sad.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 12:01 a.m. CST

    THIS IS NO DIFFERENT, for about a month now.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    The meme is more important than the review.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Harry saw this on December 11th

    by James

    so by the time I get to see it he'll have seen it for about a month now.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST

    You had to be there thebige.

    by Deceased Fan

    Then you would know why it's funny and what it stands for.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Harry was born in 1971 by his own admission

    by dancetothebeatofthelivingdead

    Yet, according to an old DVD review column, he vividly remembers going to see Taxi Driver upon its' initial release and to this day carries the jarring effect it had on him. According to said DVD column, the memory is so vivid and the impact he had on his life was so great that despite only being four years old....aww...fuck it, to comment on this and every other vivid memory he has of seeing a movie in the theaters when he was 3 to 5 years old would be justifying his lies just a little bit. However, I do like the pandering to the black fan base this site has by stating in this DVD column that he went to the drive-in to see every single blaxploitation movie he could get his chocolate smeared, buttery, chubby little fingers on. Considering that the wave of blaxploitation had its' peak long before Harry reached adolescence would make his claim dubious at best. At worst, it is a shameless attempt to try to connect with a certain race that is at the same time as funny and as uncomfortable as the scene in Borat where he learns to dress and talk like a black teenager. What up wittid, Harry!

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 3:06 a.m. CST

    I wonder if Spike Lee like's Django as much as Harry.

    by alex

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 3:08 a.m. CST

    dance...

    by HEADGEEK

    Yes, I was young, but my mom and dad were both film addicts and we saw EVERYTHING that came out. My father built trailer reels of this genre, sexploitation, kung fu, horror, sci-fi, classic films and more in 16mm. He also sold movie posters and memoribilia, and felt that one's knowledge of film was paramount to their ability to sell the stuff. SO from the earliest of age, he would watch everything (Appropriate or Not) and discuss these films with me. I've no doubt your childhood film going was a bit less active. My film going memory is pretty amazing, but that's because my father and I have talked about film back and forth for my entire life. Film is what we geek on. If I say I saw it, you can bank on it.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 3:09 a.m. CST

    chaunceygardiner

    by HEADGEEK

    I have a print in 16mm... amazing film.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 4:28 a.m. CST

    lies

    by roderick jeffrey

    No you didnt. 3 years old, watching and discussing blaxploitation like you're Truffaut? No thats just horseshit. It's hard to really comprehend how moronic you are.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 4:32 a.m. CST

    I grew up in the macho Blaxploitation films of the 1970s

    by alan_poon

    Which ones specifically? I'm sure i would have remembered seeing a little ginger kid popping up in them.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 5:06 a.m. CST

    Harry

    by dancetothebeatofthelivingdead

    A child prodigy the likes of Mozart wouldn' have walked out of a theater showing Taxi Drive at four years old profoundly moved by the images of isolation and redemption and taken those images and juxtaposed them against his own life and experiences. A four year old child doesn't fully understand the plot of an episode of Sponge Bob. Harry, I love ya just as much as everyone else here and I pick on you just as much as everyone else here. I understand your ;penchant for hyperbole and most of us look the other way most of the time. However, when you claim to remember going to see Taxi Driver at four and you claim today to vividly remember how profoundly you were moved by it and how its' themes mirrored your own life and what was going on in your life due to family issue, we all know you are bullshitting or you are projecting your adult experiences of seeing the film since then onto that blank slate that watched the movie in 75/76 and didn't understand one frame of it. YOU WERE FUCKING FOUR HARRY!!!!! And the Blacksploitation craze hit its' peak when you were around 6 years old.Again, not old enough or mature enough to grasp what u were seeing. The smartest 6 year old in the history of mankind wouldnt watch a blacksploitation movie in the 70's and understand all the political machinations goin on and all the subtext that dealt with issues that you as a 6 year old did not even know existed. Come on, Harry. Seriously. It's ok that you were too young to hit the craze in its' heyday; we're only here a short time and we can't be around at the peak of every movement we want to be. You discovered it later on and dug it. Nothing wrong with that. It's the lying to make yourself look like you were so far ahead of the poitical and sociological curve that makes you look foolish, not the fact that you missed the era by a few years

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 5:31 a.m. CST

    aren't most Blaxploitation films a bit shit?

    by Righteous Brother

    I always found them to be a bit patronising. Here are some film's for the black folk, they're nowhere near as good as film's featuring whitey, but look they have afros, pimps and funky music, that's enough for you isn't it?

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 5:33 a.m. CST

    I agree with dancetothebeatofthelivingdead

    by jason

    A 6-year old wouldn't understand Blaxploitation, much less appreciate it.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Harry, your dad took you to see Taxi Driver when you were 5?

    by James

    Good! Man, you should hear some of the crap I've heard from people here in Norway over what my 2 year old should see. No lie, I was showing him a Fleischer Superman short, and some Norwegian says, 'ooh, isn't that a little violent?' because it had cops shooting bullets at a giant robot. I couldn't believe it. There is a difference between real and not real and people should learn that ASAP, in my opinion as a dad.

  • He saw MANDINGO (1975, when he was three!) & DRUM (1976, when he was four!) on initial release and then he and his dad would discuss these films (appropriate or not) afterwards. Yup.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 7:23 a.m. CST

    How the fuck did your dad get you in to see Taxi Driver?

    by alan_poon

    And more importantly why?

  • ...then he looked over and Kurt Russell was laughing pretty hard, so he guessed it was okay.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 7:56 a.m. CST

    If I say I saw it, you can bank on it.

    by Mike J

    Seeing a movie is one thing Harry and if your father really thought it was fine to expose a four year old to a film like Mandingo that perhaps explains why you are so morally bankrupt. But seriously you cannot expect anybody to believe that you understood the themes of the movie and then discussed them afterwards at taht age. Hell, nothing I've ever read from you suggests that you are especially bright as an adult so how stupid are you that you think people will believe you were some sort of film geek child genius? Its just one more lie in a series of falsehoods designed to make you look like the ultimate geek. Prat.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Well played, deceased...

    by theBigE

    I guess if I had a beer and cheated on my wife with the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet I'd understand. But then I saw Kurt Russell laughing and two fat kids chest bumping, so it must be ok!

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Cheers thebige!

    by Deceased Fan

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Leo is finally getting his for this one

    by terry1978

    It's almost like a Denzel/Training Day Halle/Monster's Ball thing. He had to do such an outrageous role the Academy had no choice.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 9:36 a.m. CST

    The biggest beef I have is.......

    by david starling

    .......Forgive me Harry, I can understand your zeal in seeing this film, and having a lot of influences answered - but for everyone else here, does that mean they have to see the influences first? And will they 'get' the said film effectively without knowing those influences? I know I'm picking holes, but really, I'm kinda sick of Tarantino referencing others to the point that its outright embarrassing - hey, I paid my money, can't I see HIS thoughts and processes? I admit, part of my ire is due to the fact that Tarantino is very fond of dealing out crap to others (the famous comment about CGI and XBOX being one!!), and I do think that when he's on 'it' he can make a seriously bloody fantastic movie (I loved Jackie Brown, and thought Inglourious Basterds was superb), but I was utterly fed-up with all the spiel surrounding Death Proof - what a bunch of bloody crap that was!! I'll still see DJango though on opening weekend!!

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Everybody loves Tarantino - especially in Texas

    by doom master

    For obvious reasons...

  • ... Harry should be banned from writing reviews until he can learn to read his own bullshit and correct it. Harry, I said this in the TB for the Jack Reacher mess, and I mean this with no disrespect whatsoever - stick to being the biggest sycophant in the film industry and leave the job of writing to the adults - or people that can actually string a coherent sentence together.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST

    dedrek ... heh ...

    by DrMorbius

    Finally saw the folly of such a Sisyphean undertaking!

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Harry CORRECTED HE

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Harry CORRECTED THE TITLE, Christmas has come early to us all!

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Baby steps. We'll get Harry writing at a 7th grade level by the end of 2013. There is hope.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    thebige ...

    by DrMorbius

    ... for the record, it's 'cheeted'.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    fat ron weasley

    by roderick jeffrey

    Scorcese is the ultimate geek. Everyone else should acknowledge this. Particulary the instance when he was profoundly moved upon viewing 'a trip to the moon' at it's premiere in 1902. The experience was tarnished when he realised he was sat next to a fat ginger liar in an overstreched 'the great train robbery' limied edition t shirt covered in doritos dust.

  • I'm familiar with all the Jack Reacher memes, but many of the others - like the one about Kurt Russell - are beyond my ken.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Thanks drmorbius! And noquarter -

    by theBigE

    Here's what I know from hanging around here for the past dozen+ years: Has a beer and cheets on his wife - a reference to a supposed early script for Batman Begins, I believe. Someone help me out here. sexiest tomboy beanpole on the planet - a blurb for the movie Bend it Like Beckham, the ad for which ran along the side of AICN TB's for a whole summer or so, along with a picture of Keira Knightly in a sports bra looked over and saw Kurt Russel laughing, so it must be alright - from Harry's review of Death Proof, for which Russel was in attendance two fat kids chest-bumping - I forget where that came from, but I remember reading the review! I've seen (name here) for a month now - Harry's Jack Reacher review earlier this month Brian Cox jokes - has to do with a review of some Alien DVD, where Harry put Brian Cox's name in the review by mistake, but he claimed "I meant to do that" as some inside joke for his dad? Harry, we love you big guy. Imitation is a form of flattery. As Triumph would say "I keed I keed"

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    FFS enough's enough

    by Dp

    I have avoided commenting here for a long time (I was on under a different name) because it makes me feel like an asshole, but enough's enough. Let me say first that this has no bearing on Whether Django is a good movie. I'm not a QT fan, but I'm sure as a QT movie it's great. No, ths is all about Harry. I've tried to ignore Harry's incompetence before. I've chuckled at his bad writing and mistakes, although its embarrassing how he tries to cover them up. I've held my tongue when he is clearly just making up shit (like cheering Roger Ebert for defending Taxi Driver when he was eight). I've held my tongue when Harry had a temper tantrum when Fox didnt give him a pass to Wolverine and he had to pay for it like one of us. I've held my tongue over his ridiculous Inception review. Ive held my tongue when Harry wrote an even more embarrassing review of Dark Knight Rises. It wasn't that he had no right to hate it; of course he did. But to claim that he knows more about Batman is ridiculous. (BTW for all the memes I'm surprised only one guy on Twitter picked up on this one: Harry wrote that Bane blows up the bridges, "ESSENTIALLY TURNING MANHATTAN INTO AN ISLAND." Jesus effing Christ.) But this stuff about seeing and understanding the subtleties of Mandingo at age three is utter bullshit. I was four when I saw Star Wars and I thought the Wookiees were real. There's no way Harry "got" anything out of Mandingo. Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe little Harry got back from the movie and went to his toy typewriter and typed "why my frend Roger Ebert is ded rong about Mandingo." Adorable.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Thebige

    by Dp

    I'll admit I only got this from googling but the Kurt Russell thing was from a spy review of Grindhouse, not Harry's. But Harry's was pretty embarrassing, too. I remember he wrote about how he saw Zoe Bell slicing a baseball in two with a katana, which while cool HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FUCKING DEATHPROOF. The Brian Cox thing is from claiming Cox played Ash in Alien, which you have to admit is pretty ridiculous.

  • I didnt see any movies that were R rated until we had HBO when I was a teenager. Then again, i was raised in a presbyterian family.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST

    aw, to hell with that

    by James

    We had HBO from my earliest memories, and I remember seeing all kinds of violence and cussing and stuff in movies at a very very young age. I'm all grown up now, and I'm...well...not that bad.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Aremisslake

    by Dp

    That's not really the point. I has access to national lampoon magazines and all sorts of other shit, but I didn't really understand them. There's no fucking way that Fathergeek took a three year old Harry to see Mandingo and then sat him down to discuss the social issues presented therein. I saw Blade Runner when I was nine going on ten and while I could appreciate Joanna Cassidy's boobies I had no real understanding of the higher concepts in the movie.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    The real Christopher Nolan

    by Dp

    If only we all had Kurt Russell at our side to judge these things.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Harry, please can you explain....

    by Mike J

    .... how it is you could understand movies like Mandingo at age 3 and yet at age 41you patently have no understanding of anything more complex that The Green Fucking Lantern? Seriously, please do enlighten us as to how a child genius could have regressed to the blabbering slack-jawed yokel you are today. Oh wait let me guess. You suffered brain damage in that urban legend you have created about the supposed comic-trolly accident that you had? Hmmm, according to you, you've had a life where everysingle important event has somehow been related to the geek world, where you are a highly well-read and cultured individual, where you are best buddies with all famous people and have been given blow jobs by hot ladies on numerous occaisions. Wheras in actuality, you are alying bastard, a waning Z list celebrity mocked by studios and celebrities alike, with no talent at all apart from being in the right place at the right time to create a website which you have subsequently proceeded to fuck up beyond all recognition. Harry Knowles: The product of his own parents throwing away the baby and keeping the afterbirth.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST

    jjheatseeker

    by James

    I know, I was talking to the other guy who said *no wonder Harry's the way he is if he saw these movies so young* or whatever

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    It's humorous, really.

    by aceldama

    It always makes me laugh in disbelief to see people rave over a guy who has been involved in 2 1/4 good movies in their career. The guy has more duds than any director in history not named Jackson.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Aremisslake

    by Dp

    I understand, and I agree some parents are too uptight about it. But damn, Mandingo sounds fuckerd up.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Aceldama

    by Dp

    That's a little harsh. However, I sort of feel about QT the way I feel about Nirvana - the most rabid fans seem to have no clue of those who came before them.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 5 p.m. CST

    banned_dirty_ape

    by roderick jeffrey

    He nailed it really. Harry is so obsessed with being number one he'll say anything regardless of how stupid it makes him sound. He's just a big spoiled brat. I think that most talkbackers have a deeper and more profound love of cinema than harry can comprehend . They put film first. Harry puts himself first.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 5:18 p.m. CST

    mandingo ...

    by HoraceSkinner

    There has to be a level of sex and violence in that moviethat's tramatizing for a child. There are some scenes that are probably tramatizing to a 41 yr old. Shame on your father. He would easily be guilty today of abuse and cps may have even rescused you from the horrors he put you through. Taxi driver for kids ? nasty

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Dr King

    by HoraceSkinner

    That's trash. Naming a character in a movie like this after The greatest civil rights activist in history. Im near atlanta. We are all proud of Dr Kings legacy. Fuck you QT for trying to besmirch it. QT gets praise for ripping off other movies when it should be the opposite.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST

    jjheat

    by HoraceSkinner

    Joanna Cassidys boob. Hell yea. I wont lie and say i knew what to do with them.when isaw Blade Runner but i knew they were spectacular.and that i wanted to see more. Her's, Sanda Locke's, and Adrian Barbeu's cleavage. did harry discuss seeing his first screen boob with his dad? I didn't. But i remembered them until i hit puberty. thanks HBO !

  • What gives?

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST

    And Stephen is absolutely a villain

    by D.Vader

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Harry, you're fucking ridiculous

    by Ace of Wands

    as dancetothebeatofthelivingdead and others have indicated, your claims to have even seen the films you list from the 1970's, let alone to have understood them in enough depth to discuss and analyze and critique them is fucking laughable, and also very, very sad. Apparently, whilst other children of your age were arguing that they HAD managed to colour inside the lines, you were discussing issues of racial disempowerment/empowerment and could recognise that these cinematic treatise were made on the cheap unlike Hong Kong Phooey or Scooby Doo which clearly had very high production values.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 7:10 p.m. CST

    When not taking in Mandingo and Taxi Driver with dear old dad

    by mr.underwater

    Four-year-old Harry, er, Roundtimber Fats was hustling pool at various Texas honky-tonks with his drunk, pool shark uncle. Meanwhile I was, uh, probably playing with Hungry Hungry Hippos or something. I honestly don't remember. Probably because I was four.

  • If the city believes "Mandingo" should be shown to children, then there are no possible standards left and the only thing to do is transfer the censors to the parks department, where they can supervise paper‑plate‑ throwing contests. Here is a movie which, in addition to the nauseating scene I've already described, has frontal nudity, flagellation, the auctioning of naked slaves and a fistfight in which heavyweight boxer Ken Norton kills his opponent by tearing out his jugular with his teeth.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Horsceskinner

    by Dp

    Joanna Cassidy was (hell, is) a sexy, sexy woman. Blade Runner was a violent and troubling movie, but compared with Mandingo and Taxi Driver it's fricking Mr. Rogers.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Oh, another line from Ebert's Mandingo review

    by Dp

    This is a film I felt soiled by, and if I'd been one of the kids in the audience, I'm sure I would have been terrified and grief stricken.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Waitaminute... Broomhilda?

    by Dp

    Broomhilda is not a name, or at least it wasn't until the comic strip from the 70s. The character in Wagner is Brunhilde. Although I guess expecting historical accuracy (and proper spelling) from QT is too much.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Harry Knowles ...a legend in his own mind!

    by DrMorbius

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Antonstark

    by Dp

    Clooney and Affleck are pretty good, but best American directors, really? the Coens? PT Anderson?

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Topic: Movies i saw too young

    by Art

    I was born in 1975, remember seeing Raging bull at age 7, (in VHS) and "like it" no in a fun way, but find it very interesting in a peeping tom way, Years later i saw taxi driver and also liked alot, not sure why. My father (a cop) take me to see 10 to midnit at 8 years old, i like it alot, the rule was i close my eyes in the nudity, but i always cheat, and for the record i remember in 1 or 2 movie theaters i was not alow to enter... we also saw Death Wish around that age (excuse my english)

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 9:06 p.m. CST

    I saw Excalibur too young

    by Dp

    That's a fucked up movie. Good, but fucked up.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 9:50 p.m. CST

    "should we as Americans be having fun..."

    by jason baum

    with something as abhorrent as our shameful history?" I feel that's the absolute wrong way to look at what QT is doing. because it is entertaining does not necessarily translate to him having fun. a well executed film can also be a hard honest look at this shitty shitty period in our history. does he love making films? yes. does he do it well? yes. does he make it enjoyable? without question. but in doing all of that, he allows a via for the audience to take this honest hard look at actualities that are often shied away from. so i guess i'm not disagreeing with the way you've chosen to look at it, what i'm saying is that QT found an entertaining way to examine the U.S. at one of our lowest and most despicable points. had he made it all drama and doom and gloom, it might not have connected with the 2012 audiences.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Orange cinema.

    by Dp

    I can see the argument, but I think QT can still be criticized a bit for it. For one thing, it suggests that the only solution to slavery was just kill all the slaveowners. Tempting to be sure, but I'd say Lincoln (both the movue and the president) went about things in a saner way. And while I'm not accusing QT of this, there have been a lot of shit exploitation movies done in the name of "exposing" some truth. Caligula presented stuff that probably really happened in imperial Rome, but does showing that do any good? I don't know the answer.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 10:09 p.m. CST

    orange cinema, I think that's exactly right

    by P

    He's taking subjects that are normally given the "good medicine" treatment in Hollywood (sober, humorless, award bait) and making a connection with audiences. Some filmmakers try to give the audience what they want (and expect). Others, like Tarantino, gives audiences something better: something they didn't know they wanted. In other words, people didn't know they wanted Pulp Fiction until they got Pulp Fiction.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Zombie fatigue

    by Dp

    Some thngs need a bit more of a sober treatment, IMHO anyway. I feel like I've fallen out of love with QT post Kill Bill.

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 11:04 p.m. CST

    I agree with Spike Lee. I'll condemn it without seeing it.

    by Clio

  • Dec. 23, 2012, 11:21 p.m. CST

    jjheat seeker , ive cooled on QT too

    by HoraceSkinner

    I think he gets allot of positive press.because of his past movies. after Rdogs he was my fav filmmaker. Now , not so much. You remind me too much of someone. Me. I too watched in awe at Excalbur wayyyy to young. To this day though hellen mirren still gets my attention. Tomorrow I'm going to give my dad a big hug and thank him for not taking me movies like taxi driver or mandingo. Best. dad. Ever.

  • That's Jamie Foxx for you. I doubt the idea of a slave western will offend anybody...well, unless DiCaprio talks about he wished he could "kill all the black people" then, maybe, that might not go over too well.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Just Wanted to say, Happy. Merry Christmas!

    by tammy

    To all the Talkbackers!

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 5:21 a.m. CST

    Harry you are a fucking embarrassment

    by bf skinner

    If Stephen Hawking claimed to have understood Taxi Driver and Blaxploitation movies as an infant, I STILL would find that hard to swallow. But you? YOU!? An inbred shitstain imbecile with the IQ of a turnip? You were probably still being breastfed when you were four. You even have to correct the fucking title on your POS review at the behest of a talkbacker. I fully expect this post to be deleted and for one of your lackeys to ban me (again) for pissing on your delusional childhood "memories". But you deserve being called out for your blatant bullshit. I hope you have a merry Christmas on Planet Zeus. Enjoy your feline solution.

  • The desperate need for franchise creation is a nightmare for adult film-makers who want to pitch a strong standalone movie and not a string of demi-features to a gurning Hollywood exec. It strangles originality, creativity and artistic expression. Fuck the ten hour 3 year sliced fuck up of Hobbit shit. Fuck every modern movie that ends on a To Be Continued/The Adventure is Only Just Beginning note. Fuck you all. Happy Xmas.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 5:44 a.m. CST

    And fuck you too Spike Lee

    by melonman

    re: recent anti-Tarantino comments and how DU is an insult to his ancestors. That nigger really needs to be put down.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 7 a.m. CST

    Spike Lee is struggling to maintain relevance

    by Niaiserie

    so he's basically trying very hard to situate himself as the gatekeeper for acceptable black media, giving his blessing for George Lucas and Red Tails, decrying Eastwood's historical depiction of white soldiers, and lambasting Tarantino for inventing the n-word. Though nothing was more despicable then him tweeting the address of the Trayvon Martin shooter. Basically putting a hit out on a guy (even more dangerous since he didn't confirm the address in anyway, so he just ended up giving out the address to some random people completely uninvolved with the case).

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Zombie fatigue

    by Dp

    Eh, I'll probably see it anyway just to see what the fuss is about. But I've come to the conclusion that QT cares about one thing only and that's movies. That's fine for him, but it can be a little tiring.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Merry christmas to you too riseofphantomcreeps!

    by Dp

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Melonman, yeah, "a series of films...."

    by Dp

    First of all, QT doesn't really do sequels (he's even said recently that KB3 is probably not going to happen). Second of all, those things tend to sound better in theory than practise.Django and Dr. King: Bounty Hunters woud get old quick.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Horaceskinner nothing wrong with

    by Dp

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 7:08 a.m. CST

    nothing wrong with Helen

    by Dp

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 7:10 a.m. CST

    nothing wrong with Helen Mirren

    by Dp

    Morgana seducing her half brother however... That's pretty warped. Sorry for the multiple posts.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Spike Lee is a shitbag

    by James

    Hey, if you don't like what the movie's about, don't go see it! Oh, right, he didn't. Well, if you didn't see it, I guess you got nothing to bitch about! Oh, right, he DIDN'T see it, and he's STILL bitching! Fuck you, Spike. Nobody's tiptoeing around trying to please you and your delicate sensibilities. Your movies suck, they always have, and nobody watches them anymore. Even when people did watch them, it wasn't black people watching them, it was white guys who listen to A Tribe Called Quest going *oh, have you seen the new Spike Lee joint?*. Yeah, them's joints, right? This ain't no film, this a joint! Fucking tool.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Song of the south's Burr rabbit

    by HoraceSkinner

    Burr bear ask burr rabbit " does your shit stick to your furf even you poop ?" Burr rabbit told burr bear " no burr bear. My shit doesn't stick too my fur" So burr bear grabbed burr rabbit, and wipped his butt with him. & jamie foxx suxx

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST

    gotta be better than Inglorious Basterds

    by mojoman69

    which is my opnion was amazingly overrated and was actually one of QT's worse. but anybody who said it was an over the top mess was given the Eperors new clothes routine. "oh you just didnt get it" I did get it, it was shit

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Really hate Jaime Fox now

    by Dazzler69

    He is such a kiss ass (literally) for obama I can't get past that for movies or entertainment he does anymore. Wish he would go away. I will see the movie however but not for him. Not much coming out this Christmas.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Horaceskinner

    by Dp

    That makes me wonder about something else... How the fuck did Harry see Song Of The South?

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Django and stuff

    by Hipshot

    1) Saw it last Monday, and was blown away. Too long, a bit lazy in the editing, and too many climaxes...but fiercely intelligent, outraged as hell, and like nothing I've ever seen onscreen. 2) Spike Lee has genuine feelings about this stuff. He may be an asshole, but he isn't posturing. And no, it wasn't "just white boys" watching Spike Lee movies. That's absurd. 3) QT isn't saying all slave owners deserved to be killed. He's saying that black slaves had a right to vengeance, and didn't get it. That slaveowners survived to direct the narrative about what slavery, reconstruction, and segregation meant, and influenced what images could and couldn't be created on film. He meant to bust that wide open, and did. 4) Saw this with a primarily white audience. But I need to see it with a primarily black audience, and see how they react. Reginald Hudlin, the film's producer, asked me specifically to do that, and let him know. Can't wait. 5) If I was white, I'd feel perfectly comfortable watching the movie--because I would empathize with the slaves, rather than the owners. People empathizing with the owners should probably avoid this one. And chew fishhooks, for all I care.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Hipshot

    by Dp

    Good point about Spike. He called his production company 40 Acres And A Mule, FFS. He's being sincere. I'm queasy about anybody getting vengeance, though. That's one of the most interesting parts of Lincoln. Thaddeus Stevens wants the slaveowners to pay,but Lincoln wants the union to be restored at all costs. I can see value in both. Pure vengence, OTOH...

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Also

    by Dp

    For me it's not a matter of empathy as much as I hate seeing brutal violence against anyone celebrated. I have no sympathy for Nazis, but seeing people tortured for entertainment put me off IB. Yeah, I know, I'm a bit of a wuss.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 9:30 a.m. CST

    It's surprising how few people know the word "antebellum."

    by Gabe Athouse

    Can't wait to see this movie. I read the screenplay. I pictured Will Smith in the titular role. He passed on it, because he's worried about his brand. This is why he hasn't made a good movie in like 15 years. Please notice that Samuel L. Jackson isn't worried about his fucking brand. He plays unappealing characters all the time, and he's the biggest box-office grosser there is.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 9:35 a.m. CST

    jjheatseeker

    by Hipshot

    You're not a wuss. Sounds like you're a decent, feeling human being. I honor that.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST

    hyperdyne-systems-model-120-a2

    by DrMorbius

    Countless people 'know' the word 'antebellum. Mainly because of the 'Lady Antebellum Band'. Countless others do not know the definition of said word. But I digress, was there a purpose for your statement? Who the fuck is burr rabbit?

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Hipshot

    by Dp

    Thanks. TBH, it changed for me with Kill Bill. I can understand The Bride getting her revenge, but I thought it was a little sick thar she got her happy ending after that.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST

    spike lee is a little full of it

    by HoraceSkinner

    But he's made more good films than QT he prob pissed most about not doing a slave revenge film first

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Spike lee wants his head kickin in!

    by Miss Moneypennys Pishflapsh

    Fuckin weasly faced, miserable, racist cunt!

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    My guess is this movie does not have any curb stomping in it.

    by kindofabigdeal

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Slavery is a beyond fucked up thing- No kidding?

    by Dan

    THat's why blacks need to stop taking complete ownership of it- EVERY race was enslaved by another at one time or another... Africans even sold their own into slavery so let's let the whitey is bad crap stop now.... Merry Christmas.

  • Jackson even said he was.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    NYDailynews says Spike Lee is boycotting Django

    by professorjack

    all Spike said was that he's not seeing the movie and that he doesn't speak for anyone else. Is it boycotting a movie if you just don't see it? Because then I've boycotted 1,000s of movies in my life. Going to boycott that Billy Crystal-Bette Midler piece of shit tomorrow

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 5:32 p.m. CST

    You're a fucking joke, Knowles

    by lock67ca

    You can understand the complexity and meaning of Taxi Driver at 4, but you can't understand the plot of The Dark Knight Rises at 41? And you expect people to fucking take you seriously? Fuck you, you moronic idiot. And fuck you too, Spike Lee. You racist, irrelevant douchebag cunt.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Weird thing is, Quentin was in one of Spike Lee's films

    by Bobo_Vision

    He was in Girl 6. However, he played a racist asshole in the film so maybe Spike was being passive aggressive by giving him the role. Girl 6 was an okay film, but the soundtrack by Prince was hot!

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST

    R.I.P JACK KLUGMAN

    by AzulTool

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 6:09 p.m. CST

    RIP QUINCY

    by rakesh patel

    i could never figure out how a old coroner like you had so many hot babes in your title credits.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST

    by TOKANDO

    did you know the irish were slaves the same time

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Some words

    by Daniel

    Jack Klugman was awesome. Harry's review formatting is not.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Jack Klugman

    by Dp

    It wasn't natural causes... Give me enough time and I can prove it was foul play!!!

  • Yeah, I'm sure you've seen every thing he's ever been in. Seriously, can you name another role he's done, other than the bad guy in Green Hornet?

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Obituary

    by The_Cellarrat

    Hi Folk, Hairy Here... it SADENS me to report that ol' ironsides himself, Jake Klugman has passed away today from dying of natural, causes. So sad. Why? Well, in 1957 my dad took me to see the Austin world premiere of 12 ANGERED MEN, and afterwards we ran into the MAN himslef, Jack Klugmen, at, the, local. Now, some may ask - to which I say thus. I believe so to this day - his ability to roll with the punches against such lumens as TONY FUCKING CURTIS in Neil Diamond's ODD COUPLE and still make coroner look...SO AWESOME. Think about that - with ONE VOTE and Peter Fonda wins...that is the Jack Klugson I will alway remembers in my memory of my mind. AND that day in Austin? It was the day the barbeque died. To play Walter Matthau in GRUMPIER OLD MEN and be unscathed...he will alway be QUINCE to me. RIP KARL MALDEN.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 9:07 p.m. CST

    the Irish

    by Hipshot

    we're indentured servants, mostly. that means volunteering for an average of seven years in exchange for passage to America. which, at worst, is like the difference between prostitution for seven years, or daily rape for generations. Big difference.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Cellarat

    by Dp

    I doff my hat to you. That is MAD FUCKING MAGAZINE quality parody.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 10:11 p.m. CST

    I don't know if this is just piling on now...

    by Dp

    "Stephen Baldwin.... Barney Rubble... I don’t know what sort of ‘act of God’ occurred, but Stephen Baldwin became Barney Rubble up there." Why isn't this one on the level of the Kurt Russelll laughing line?

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST

    by TOKANDO

    they also influenced the jamaican accent

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 10:20 p.m. CST

    by TOKANDO

    also slavery still exist besides black slaves in america had food and shelter better than most also i hate when they show slaves in ancient egypt neen whipped constanley which was bullshit why would you want to weaken your workers

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 10:20 p.m. CST

    by TOKANDO

    and im drunk

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST

    tokando

    by HoraceSkinner

    it was build by flesh and blood it wasn't built by any god. Cry if you must but die you will the valley.of the kings will still be built.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 11:10 p.m. CST

    MERRY CHRISTMAS

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Every race has been screwed over at one time or another...

    by SunTzu77

    The Chinese were forced into building the railroads. The Irish were treated like shit right off the boats with "Irish Catholics Need Not Apply" signs and forced like rats into the 5 points. The Native Americans and the trail of tears. Indentured servants were treated like shit too. They had to get permission from their "owner" to marry... they were punished just as harshly as slaves... but they had "freedom dues"... a glimmer of hope that slaves did not. Also, the slavery issue during that era was very complex. People act as if only "whites" owned slaves. No, free blacks also owned slaves. A perfect example is Antoine Dubuclet.

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 11:24 p.m. CST

    horaceskinner

    by TOKANDO

    all i can say is yes

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 11:37 p.m. CST

    by TOKANDO

    posse was great wasnt it

  • Dec. 24, 2012, 11:41 p.m. CST

    by TOKANDO

    also white people have the greatest diversity of all races and and when you timk of a mythic person you think of a white man or a asian man or woman

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 12:08 a.m. CST

    by TOKANDO

    also im catholic and catholics love sex catholics pick what we like from the bible were really just pagans we also look at the bible as libary of genres we believe in evolution and science we like homesexuals the church wont admit it but we do you're born a catholic the same as your born a jew atheist are also right in what they belive every one should believe what they choose to believe anyway just want to tell you all how much i love or like you guys happy holidays

  • Seriously, Pulp Fiction will never be topped and for good reason, it's one of the most perfect films ever.

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 12:31 a.m. CST

    BTW did anyone actually go see Jack Reacher?

    by Dp

    And why the hell didnt they just call it One Shot?

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 12:50 a.m. CST

    can only say nigga in a black directors movie according to spike lee

    by Hugh Gustavus

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 2:45 a.m. CST

    The Shepherd...

    by pantera777

    Needs to be QT's last film. He made that promise when Jules decided to walk the earth and get in adventures. Waiting for this!!!

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Charles Durning R.I.P.

    by James

    Strong men also cry...strong men also cry...

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 5:08 a.m. CST

    Aw fuck, that wasn't Charles Durning that said that

    by James

    in The Big Lebowski. It was David Huddleston. Brain fart, my bad.

  • black people were stolen from Africa- wahhhhhh, wahhhhhhhhh(snort,chortle,huff)waahhhhhh!!! But hey- I guess he got his name mentioned. Any excuse to say hey look at me I'm black and somebody allowed reality to be used as the subject of a fantasy film and I want everyone to notice me. Me me me right spike lee? Now shut the fuck up you stupid exploitive ass clown. Without the black plight where would you be spike lee? Just shut your ignorant douchenozzle

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Oh and yes Tarintino is an honorary black man.

    by UltraTron

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Such a great idea to elect one of this things..

    by UltraTron

    I believe we are," going over the cliff, said Republican Senator John Barrasso of Wyoming. "I think the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. I think he sees a political victory at the bottom of the cliff,

  • reading the headlines too fast in the morning. Probably wasn't the truth. Then again I mostly speak in direct beams of truth that are pit-forged in hell by an elite team of ultra demons. There is a new Tarintino movie under my tree!

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Harry's on a first name basis with Tarintino. Charming.

    by Barnald

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    aremisslake

    by Dp

    It's okay, just say you were on whatever meds Harry is on. Durning *was* in O Brother... so you're not that far off, or maybe it was Brian Cox. Coincidentally Tootsie was on two days ago. A PERFECT COMEDY.

  • Despite the name Westerns have never been bound by geography. The Great Train Robbery was filmed in NEW JERSEY, FFS.

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Taking QT's Side Over SL'S Side When It Comes The Race Issues...

    by Buzz Maverik

    ..probably means you're more in touch with movies than you are history and current events. Just kidding. It definitely means that.

  • Better writer. Fewer misses. Can't wait to see DJANGO.

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST

    sold out show :(

    by Lao_Che_Air_Freight

    so we went to see Skyfall instead, which was pretty great, probably best Bond I've seen since Tomorrow Never Dies.. Hopefully we'll catch it tomorrow or Friday, until then I'll have to skip out most of this thread till then..

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST

    @aremisslake ...Durning wasn't the Big Lebowski

    by Lao_Che_Air_Freight

    That would would be David Huddleston - who is still alive (but still doesn't want the Irish)

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST

    I know, Lao Che

    by James

    I got mixed up because the Coens used Durning in Hudsucker Proxy and O Brother Where Art Thou. I humbly admit my error.

  • Today, on Christmas, I have without a doubt had one of the greatest theater going experiences in my life. Django Unchained is a masterpeice. Any high expectations I had going into this were blow away within the first 30min. As a huge fan of QT, this may be his best written film, as well as his best directed film. I am seriously giddy right now. Some of the funniest, intense, and shocking scenes in movie history are all contained in one film. Bravo! This is one of the best Christmas presents ever! Thank you to all involved in making this for having the balls to pull something like this off. I just saw the work of a genius. Wow! And to let Terry know how a black guy would react to this movie, I can say with no hesitation did I ever feel that QT has any racial bigotry toward blacks. He used a terrible period in American history, and made one of the greatest movies I have ever seen. The theater I saw this in was surprisingly crowded for a 11:40am Christmas day showing. I would say the crowd was about evenly split between whites and blacks. Everyone in the theater was laughing though. I think I may have been the loudest. Christopher Waltz now has one of the most badass charactors of all-time. "What makes you think you can come in my town...And show your ass!" "Bang!" I still have a smile on my face. Brilliant, exciting, and amazingly entertaining, this is one of the best movies I have ever seen. Incredible!

  • Because I didnt feel like re-writing all that over again. But yeah, I freaking loved this flick! The work of sheer brilliance.

  • Yessir.

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST

    the_cellarrat

    by DocPazuzu

    That was the funniest thing I've read here this month. I was crying with laughter. You are now officially in my cool book.

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST

    dedrek, you think this is a motherfucking game?

    by DocPazuzu

    On your feet, soldier! Don't you wuss out on us. Surrender is not an option. Eye of the tiger, dedrek, eye of the tiger! Hit the one in the middle!

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST

    ultratron-merry xmas you crazy "basterd"...

    by ponyboy

    all the best to you & your ultatronic family! thank you for always making me laugh bro!

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Harry, how was Citizen Kane on it's initial release?

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • The crammed to capacity crowd in the huge screening I saw it in just now were cheering for a good 30 seconds after the credits starting rolling!

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 8:53 p.m. CST

    I loved the scene with the "bags" - very Python-esque!

    by Mel

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST

    I came here to see positive reviews of this film...

    by KushMaster

    ...and instead I got a bunch of so-called 'cineastes' saying how Tarantino hasn't done anything original since Pulp Fiction. The movie is fantastic. One of the most entertaining films of the year. And Harry's reviews are great and anyone who comes here just to make fun of him is just pathetic. Why are you here if you don't like his reviews? For the talkback? So you can rip on Tarantino? What? Merry Christmas. Any normal people reading this, go see Django. Twice. It's fucking incredible. Anyone who 'refuses to see this'...well just don't tell people that. It just makes you seem like a fag.

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Do you guys remember that song Push It by Salt and Pepper?

    by ajit maholtra

    When I was a boy and I heard that song, I was so surprised that gals were allowed to talk like that in America on the radio, and it always used to give me a bonner. Then I saw their photos and they were so fat and ugly! LOL Pepper looks like O.J. Simpson.

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST

    social observation not being racist

    by Nick

    Just saw Django on Christmas Day and observed an interesting social scene. I'm writing this simply as an observer. Breaking it down in parts. 1.) I have seen roughly 20 movies over the span of 5 months in the theater I just saw Django in. Weekend and week days and nights, all different times. It's a beautiful 18 screen modern theater with an IMAX screen. Never sold out even on big ticket hyped movies like Avengers and Prometheus any time of the week. 2.) Today I saw Django three showtimes later than I wanted to but I had already paid for parking so I dealt with it. It was packed, lines everywhere. 30 minute wait to purchase tickets from tellers and automated machines. SOLD OUT. The reason was black people. They came in droves. I've seen maybe a few dozen at this small mall/large theater structure over said 5 months. 3.) The viewing was, luckily for me, not so bad because I was not too close to any of the LOUD, yelling and hollering clusters of black people who yelled above the music filled scenery every time Jamie Foxx shot somebody, and he shoots about 20 people and regularly spread out through the film. I only had three old black ladies in front of me who talked back to the screen like they were talking at a southern baptist church service, "Get em' boy", "Preach it Djanga", yes with an "a". This is not a new experience for me, except at this theater. 4.) Finally, black people are a hard movie demographic for studios to hit. They will make a Tyler Perry movie number one for the weekend in January or February, but not really turn out for a Will Smith sci-fi film, "I Am Legend". They also are one of the largest demographics of people who purchase and make/sell pirated dvd's. Most likely because they are cheap(not poor, cheap there's a big difference) and feel righteous in seeing something before anybody else, even if its recorded on a cell phone. Studios don't care because white people will make Star Trek 2 and Avatar a billion dollars. Django won't make that much but it's going to be a box office surprise because its a movie about a black guy killing a lot of white people that almost a thousand black people at my theater paid to see. And remember, you're not trying to make a black person be courteous in a theater if you tell them to stop YELLING or trying to be human and explain that this is not their house and you paid to be here as well...You're being a racist.

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Let the internet shitsurge begin

    by Larry_Sanders

    As Samuel L. Jackson once said in a different, better movie: "Hold onto your butts."

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 11:14 p.m. CST

    @nickcrowley81 its because its between Django and Les Miserable...

    by sunwukong86

    I dont mean to be racist either but i really doubt Black audiences will go to Les Miserable.

  • Dec. 25, 2012, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Tarantino's

    by TheDarkPassenger

  • Fuck him for that. I liked the movie overall but goddamn, that was so stupid. He CANNOT act, and everyone in my theater was buzzing "zomg is that quentin?" for 5 minutes and no one was paying attention to the movie. Why can't he just make a film and leave all those asinine antics at the door?

  • oh wait

  • sorry that the people for whom the movie was more than mere entertainment were spoiling your fun you must hate women and all their crying in touching moments in sad movies oh, wait, no, you don't watch those movies in theater but you went to see a movie about black justice and came back bitching about black people just pull your head out of your ass already

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Quentin Tarantino's an honorary black man?

    by Baked

    Is 40% of America judging him by his skin color, too? Or is it just because he wears Kangol hats?

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 12:35 a.m. CST

    No, but seriously, if QT was black...

    by Baked

    Django would never have gotten made. Or it would have been called "Candy Land" and DiCaprio would have gotten top billing.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 1:08 a.m. CST

    tarantino has become an embarrassment

    by theQuintessentialNorton

    that was one long ass boring movie

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 2 a.m. CST

    Nice social observation by you there antonstark...

    by GravyAkira

    "Get your head out of your ass." Very nice!

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Goddamnit

    by James

    It doesn't open here until January 18th. Hey, why's it gotta be like that, anybody know? Why can't movies just start at the same time? I live in Norway. Avengers started here before the US, but most movies open up in the States way before they get here. I want to see this friggin movie.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Better than Deathproof

    by brad negrotto

    Django had some really great moments scattered about with some really awful shit mixed in (the Django horse tricks). The good: Great performances from everyone, but I have to give it to Sam the man for the best show in town. Waltz was well, Waltz, Leonardo was having fun for a change, and Foxx was good for having hardly anything to work with. The latter was the main issue with the film. This was the one Tarantino film that we needed a character to care about. We didn't get it. The other big issue for me was the tone. If QT would have kept the film in his usual over-the-top cartoonish style I could have overlooked the lack of empathy I had for Django's journey. But atlas, the film drifted back in forth in incredibly jarring ways. Another problem, the songs. Some were great, but others were just out of place and overstayed their welcome. Which leads me to my last complaint — the editing. Don't get me wrong, this could have been twenty minutes shorter, but I am talking more of the many awkward cuts or lack thereof. Overall, I just kept wanting more during the movie. Thoughts like, I wish Leo was crazier, or wtf did we just spend a minute coming to a shack in the middle of the mountains? Was it to hear about some not so good birthday cake? Or did QT just think we din't understand this bounty hunting business by now? And fuck you QT for putting yourself in this film. A Razzie worthy performance, which should be some kind of record since you were only screen for a minute.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 3:30 a.m. CST

    thedarkpassenger, QT's cameo was fun. you're a douche

    by Mel

    And his last scene was hilarious. Too funny. Everyone in my theater loved it. You're just a douche.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 3:33 a.m. CST

    ya missed it antonstark

    by Nick

    Antonstark, The movie meant more than "mere" entertainment. I assume you think black people are going to this movie to suffer together from the hardships of remembering slavery, though no one alive today was even remotely affected. They went to be entertained by a black guy killing lots of white people. I remember my Irish family and I, arms interlocked, marching into Gangs of New York because for us it was more than "mere" entertainment because of all the awfulness my ancestors went through. Nope. I went to be entertained. My point was how many black people, in a place they never go to, turned out for this particular film and reacted to it in a way that a white supremacist would to a KKK meeting.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Hey fun fact

    by Nick

    Franco Nero was the bad general in Die Hard 2

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Dear Haters...

    by djscott95

    You can hate all you want on Harry's takes on his early film experiences. I personally believe them, but I understand that you don't want to. Personally, I think he saw these films as a child, and then saw them again and again as a young adult. 70's and 80's movie geeks who raised children raised them this way. But here is the thing. There are three, and only three, really great writer/directors working in this country right now and here they are: PT Anderson, Darren Aronofsky, and Quentin Tarantino. All have faltered, all have succeeded, and all have made masterpieces. QT has made three great films (Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill, and Inglorious Basterds). I have not seen Django yet, but based on the reviews it sounds like it is better than at least two of those films. Lay Off. Harry appreciates QT's style, and his love of 70's cinema, and there is nothing wrong with that. If you are too young or uninformed to get that it is ok. ALL directors are influenced by someone else. ALL of them. Don't hate because someone uses their influence to create something new.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 6:22 a.m. CST

    And Harry's reviews are great

    by Dp

    Oh fuck, it's not even worth it...

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 6:24 a.m. CST

    And if you come to read only positive reviews

    by Dp

    You're not getting the full critical experience.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Djscott95 are you kidding?

    by Dp

    Only those three? Because even if he makes crap for the rest of his life Woody Allen will still be the best living writer director. And David O Russell and Alexander Payne kick much ass. And Aronofsky's two best movies were written by other people.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Also, "create something new"

    by Dp

    That's, um, kind of the point. Tarantino's whole modus operandi is that he treats movies as something to sample. Nothing inherently wrong with tat, but his whole shtick runs on borrowing from others.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 6:32 a.m. CST

    antinstark

    by Dp

    The movie might be great, but seriously, Tarntino needs to stay the fuck away from the front of the camera. His movies are MUCH better when he's nt in them. Kind of like... Spike Lee.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Re: Harry Reviews DJANGO UNCHAINED (Merry Christmas!)

    by ArmageddonProductions

    "Hi gang, Harry here! Its that time once again for me to roll my Hoveraround down thje theater isles and wish you Merry X-mas niggas! But first - its time for me to review DJANGO UNCHAINED!</p><p> You see, when I was 3, Fathergeek took me to a theater to see a double feature of BIRTH OF A NATION and ABAR. We were the only white people in the theater - when your 3 and a big black guy is punching your dad in the face in a dark movie theater because hes angry he can't get a job ... well, let's just say movies with darkies in them are magic. After the movie, my father and I smoked a fattie in the chillout room in our house - I asked him what a spearchucker was - after he stopped coughing, he said 'Son, its okay to be afraid of black people.'</p<p> Good advice! Years later, we also caught DOLEMITE on its first run with our good friends Rudy Ray Moore and Melvin Van Peebles - that's when I learned that slavery was bad - well, we smoked a lot of fatties that day!</p><p> That's a lot like how I felt when I saw DJANGO UNCHAINED - except - Quentin Tarantino's 'people' didn't pay me a lot of money to talk about DOLEMITE - this is slavery! Jamie Foxx plays a freed slave just like he did in RAY - except, he's not blind - he shoots people! - and also Hans Landa is a good guy in this. Your not going to bleieve how good Christopher Waltz is! I smell a pussy-covered Oscar in this mans future!</p><p> Imagine your a freed slave in the old West and everybody called you 'nigger' all the time - well -- you'd be shooting people too! Jamie Foxx shoots more people in this than he did the whole time he was on In Living Color! Also - Tarantino shows lots of restraint by not inserting a bunch of shots of bare black women feet - I don't think he likes black women feet like he likes Uma Thurman feet - and he also throws in some Isley Brothers - this is a blaxploitation flick, dammit!</p><p> In short, this is a real game-changer. Black people shooting cowboys! Quentin, get your pussy-hankie handy, your gonna need it for this Oscar!"

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 7:53 a.m. CST

    @the_cellarrat

    by yourebreakingthejacket

    Hats off to you. The obituary was comic gold, but the "he's like somebody mumbling in a dentist chair" was comic genius in its perfect description of Harry's inane ramblings. I picture the talking in their sleep scene in Step Brothers." Plus, I will add my two cents too late regarding Harry's parents taking him to see Taxi Driver at age 5. Umm, explains alot. Taxi Driver was actually a forbidden flick for me and I was allowed to see alot as long as it had "fantasy elements". American Werewolf in London fine, most slasher flicks not. Old man was a NYC cop and didnt think shit like slasher flicks was ok for a young kid to see. My mother actually was mad when it had I slipped when I seen Taxi Driver and I was like 25 at the time. Furthermore, Harry would not have been able to understand these flicks at such an early age. I was born in '72. My earliest memories of seeing movies was seeing Silent Movie and Star Wars in the drive in. Of these, however, it is only a flash here and there. Harry, it is ok to admit that you started watching and understanding these movies when most of us who are 30 and over did, in the eighties and early nineties using cable and vhs. Ok, your family was into films more and you had 16mm and whatnot, however, I dont think you had the mental facilities to understand these pre 1980. You always sound like those annoying douches that prance around exclaiming how you liked this or that before everyone else did. Uggh--

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    nickcrowly

    by Hipshot

    If you think no one alive today was even "remotely" affected by slavery, you have no idea. My karate instructor, born in 1937, was raised in Mississippi by his grandparents--who were slaves. The town was harshly segregated, the Klan was active, and he himself almost lynched. Jim Crow was active when my mother was raised in Georgia, and segregation, the last gasp of the slave system, active when I was a kid. My wife was denied access to a Montressori school in Florida in 1970, went home and covered herself in flour asking her mommy if "now I'm white enough?" Heartbreaking. I don't expect any white people to pay reparations or feel guilt, but you can shut the fuck up that this is all waaaaay in the past.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST

    As for blacks cheering white people being killed...

    by Hipshot

    You're missing the point. They're cheering slavers (and criminals) being killed. Anyone who thinks they're killing "white people" obviously are identifying with the slavers, and it's fun to watch. Whites who identify with the oppressed, or consider slavery to be the abomination it was (and don't reflexively try to compare it to Indentured Servitude, etc.) might dislike the movie, but they don't make the mistake of thinking Tarantino is talking about white people in general. I saw the movie in an all white audience in L.A., and last night in an all-black audience in Atlanta. They reacted at many of the same moments. Afterwards, the black audience was stunned. Listened to the conversations, and not one of them was talking about "white people." "Racist assholes," yes. "Motherfucking slavers" yes. And I think I'd add that they'd love to watch the "asshole apologists" die as well. While I don't agree with them, I can certainly empathize with the sentiment.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Should I laugh or cry?

    by Sithtastic

    Films like Taxi Driver impacted me deeply when I saw them on VHS, when I was in high school. It was like a sock to the gut. Am I to believe Harry was able to digest all that in his childhood? I highly doubt it. Nevertheless, that won't deter me because Harry's opinion on QT films is what's at issue here. I have no issues with Harry's review on the merits of the film. It was for the most part, coherent and showed his extensive knowledge as a film geek. That said, I'm excited to see it.

  • It's kind of astounding, actually.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Quentin's Cinematic Reality

    by knowthyself

    Is made of up every old film he ever saw. Not really "his" reality at all. Dude borrows even names and his titles now from older shit.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Slavery is a beyond fucked up thing.

    by knowthyself

    It's mad wack yo.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST

    James Remar Question

    by JGer

    ANy idea why he is playing two characters in the film? Reminded me of Vic Tabilan in Raiders of the Lost Ark

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Why is James Remar....

    by JGer

    in the movie as two characters? Like Vic Tabilan in Raiders? Was there some reason for it?

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Good, but too long...

    by nemov

    QT messed up the last act. It drags on and fails at Candy Land. The last fifteen minutes feel tacked on. No spoilers, but the end was botched.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST

    James Remar

    by Hipshot

    I suspect that that was just for fun. Tarantino liked hanging out with Dexter's dad, and found more for him to do.. As for the last 15 minutes being botched...it was pure fan service. The audience I was ROARING with approval. And Django's little horse-dance for his wife was utterly charming. But that said, yeah, it was too long.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    I actually liked Basterds better.

    by kolchak

    Just by a bit. It was a tighter film.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST

    No one has mentioned QT's Horrific cameo yet?

    by BigTuna

    Awful. What a terrible distraction and bad idea it was. I kept looking at him and his pot belly.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST

    i don't believe u harry

    by theQuintessentialNorton

    I believed the mayan prophecy more than i believe that this is your favorite qt film. i say you are a LIAR and a COWARD. (at this point you smash your battle axe into the table right in front of me - we dual) Seriously I got lots of love for you and your site. Thanks for everything. And you're a good friend to tarantino, and perhaps that above all things.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    QT's 2 cameos in Django!

    by Jon

    Ok, so everyone is hating on QT as an australian towards the very end of Django, but no one is giving love for his hilarious cameo with a bag over his head so we dont see his ugly mug as the klansman with the lispy accent who chimes in about the whole eye-hole/bag ordeal. Yes that was QT and he got big laughs in that scene! If James Remar can have 2 roles, surely QT can have 2 in his own movie.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST

    At least Harry didn't start his review with.."As a young ginger haired boy

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    with a love of cakes, pastries, and movies. In that order. I had a lot to relate to with the slave on a mission that is Django."

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Hipshot

    by Nick

    So were the chinese and all the other mentioned races through the 1900's. People had it worse than blacks as well. You're missing the point. You're emotionally defending instead of factually arguing. Slavery was complicated, it wasn't just white men being horrible to black people. It's gray and murky and you like most people can't see that and one day maybe people can talk openly about what really happened in our history. Until then, knee jerk react away and regal everyone with vague one-off personal stories. Black people have become the racists against white people. Using guilt as a weapon against all white people about slavery has slowly turned into a snickering malicious unified in-joke. A seed my friend, look beyond your own misplaced anger

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    nickcrowly

    by Hipshot

    The situation with the Chinese wasn't the same. They came here to work, as did the Irish. They weren't kidnapped, didn't have their names religions and cultures stripped away. Indentured servitude lasted about 5-7 years, slavery for generations. No comparison. I'd be willing to grant that the Native Americans got fucked over worse, but your absurd notion that these other groups had it "worse" is just a desperate attempt on your part to deny how bad it was. I doubt you've read slave narratives, abolitionist screeds, or documents by European travelers on the rape, torture, and murder that were common. Or the average of about 13 years difference in life expectancy between slaves and masters (which mostly disappeared after emancipation). The horror can be quantified, and your denial puts it in your lap. People like you are the reason people like me are careful not to let things be forgotten--you'd love to believe white people would have "gotten over it" sooner, but no, they wouldn't. They would have bled as much and bitched as long, and if positions were reversed, I'm sure a lot of black people would have been in just as much self-righteous denial as you. I wouldn't have been one of them, though. I have no interest in your guilt, just that you stop trying to pretend it was less than it was.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST

    fuckin awesome

    by Anthony

    movie

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 2:23 p.m. CST

    =Slavery was complicated=

    by frank

    complicated? how so? you have the master in one hand and the slave in the other. the master has full ownership over the slave, the slave doesn't own anything. the master is considered a human being, the slave is considered an object, a thing, a property. the master gives orders, the slave follows them. and if he doesn't, he gets wiped or killed or imprisoned, raped, sold and mutilated. Looks pretty straightforward to me to understand the concept of slavery.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Question with spoilers:

    by frank

    does Waltz get killed in the movie or not? i hope he has a happy ending in it since he is already my favorite character from the trailers.

  • And some motarded muthafukker says "its complicated"? he's about to get wildebeast fukked

  • Yes, he does get killed towards the end. I don't know how much you want given away, but he dies in a respectable way, at least - and it's a result of him whooping that ass.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 2:43 p.m. CST

    @melgibsoncalledmethenword

    by frank

    whooping that ass? what do you mean by that? at least he dies as a hero?

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST

    NickCrowlwy81, you are idiotic.

    by D.Vader

    Enough said.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Cavejohnso - yes.

    by D.Vader

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Hipshot

    by Nick

    Your entire argument has been made mute by speaking for all other races and saying, "It wasn't the same". Because hey all aicners, hipshot has become the measuring stick of all human suffering. Just go to him if you to find out if your suffering was justified. I wonder, do the chinese feel the same way as you, "it wasn't as bad". Find a great, great, great grandson or granddaughter and say, hey I know your family suffered but it wasn't as bad as the black person I know. Being blown to pieces placing nitroglycerin into canyon walls was fine. Or the irish, in New York or Boston being beat in the streets was no big deal. Continue on hipshot, speaking for every race and their plights, and yes I mean native americans when I say some people had it worse than blacks, so thanks for proving my point I guess, oh and anyone affected by Hitler and Pol Pott had it worse.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST

    nickcrowley you are dumber than day old zebra shit yot

    by The Real Liberal Warrior

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST

    @Hipshot

    by frank

    i remember you saying a few months ago, that you wanted to see how the rape scene in Django would have been handled. So is the scene one more confirmation for your theory that Hollywood doesn't want to have black males in the movies, in sex scenes where they finish the sexual act with their partner? your thoughts?

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST

    There was no rape scene in Django

    by Mel

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 3:44 p.m. CST

    nickcrowley81 = desperate troll.

    by frank

    hey amigo, it is you who started your argument on the basis of who suffered more. Hipshot never tried to measure the suffering of the unlucky minorities, instead he stated a historical fact: the black people did have it worse than the chinese or the irishmen or the other non-WASP immigrants, although they didn't have it as worse as the Indians. Unless you believe that getting captured, put in chains, transferred from your native home to another foreign country and spend the rest of your life as a slave is equal to immigrating for a better future, to another country where you face the prejudice of the native people there.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST

    @d.vader thanx for the info.

    by frank

    can't wait to see Waltz kicking some ass.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST

    zoe bell

    by bernard

    can someone explain what was with her character and the viewmaster thing?

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST

    cavejohnson

    by Hipshot

    There's no direct sex in Django at all. I suspect that Tarantino cut it all out--positive and negative, although there is romanticism, and terrible implications of sexual abuse. QT isn't really known for his tender love scenes, so while I was disappointed in this, I think it was a valid artistic choice. No SINGLE film has to answer for this problem (lack of black sexuality in major films, when major films have sex about 22% of the time), it has to be viewed across hundreds of films to get a statistical feel for it. I don't blame Hollywood--they tend to be more liberal, and know more black people, have more black friends than white Americans in general. Their choices are guided by America's boxoffice preferences. Look to comments above, and you'll see plenty of the kind of people who, I suspect, would stay away on that account alone.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 3:58 p.m. CST

    I speak only of the American experience

    by Hipshot

    And I measure deprivation in very specific ways, by infant mortality, life expectancy, and inherited wealth. Black and white statistics, and the roots of the inequality rest firmly in ancestry. I expect no white person to feel an ounce of guilt about it. But to not grasp the inequality of the playing field is simply ignorance and fear. I feel deeply sorry for people in such denial. I also know that most white people are coming to terms with the past and moving on. That is a damned good and healthy thing for everyone.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    @hipshot thanx for your info.

    by frank

    always a pleasure to read your posts.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Melgibson, the rape scene ended up getting cut.

    by D.Vader

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Who got raped?

    by Mel

    Django's wife? And by who?

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST

    yes Django's wife got raped by some white folks.

    by frank

    but rape is complicated.

  • QT had a prologue, in which he said that the comic series is going to be the full adaptation of his complete script since there were many things that he cut/changed in the final version of his movie.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST

    It's not rape, it's just surprise sex

    by D.Vader

  • Go change your fucking Tampons because from what I heard from some of you faggots, especially the guys from Spill.com, was that Django Unchained was incredibly violent and vulgar to the point that it offended some of you. I'm sorry but if this movie is your idea of "offensive" then may I steer you towards Goodbye Uncle Tom or Water Power then I'll be interested in what you have to say about DU. Violence wise I wouldn’t even put it on par with Blood Feast while I get the feeling that QT was probably jerking off behind the camera every time someone said “Nigger” because the pre-Civil War era gave him license to use it constantly, as it was a common word of the time, while thinking he’s cute or clever and getting away with it. Furthermore, if this motion picture is anyone’s idea of a GREAT movie then I'm afraid your head is most likely lodged up your culo soo far that retrieval is beyond expectations. This movie was booooooorrrrrrring. Structurally I liked the fact that the whole thing with the Brittle brothers was dealt with in the first act but acts two and three dragged because the introduction of Calvin Candie while the whole subterfuge involving Candyland got old after a while. But the third act where Django escapes the Australians and subsequent ambush and detonation of Candyland was redundant IMHO. Acting wise, Jackson and Waltz were fun but Jamie Foxx was a black hole of charisma while DiCaprio was trying too hard to “act” as Django’s bitch was an afterthought and no one else made an impression. I’m severely disappointed with this movie. I was hoping for some sort of exploitation Western but all I got was a pair of spurs up my ass for almost THREE FUCKING HOURS which dragged like a black man behind a pickup truck. *”OOH, did I shock you with that reference? NIGGER!!!”*Fucking Cloud Atlas was about the same length and that flick whizzed by and this is because it was better paced. But the worst thing is that, just like Inglorious Basterds and Kill Bill, Django Unchained has nothing in the way of theme or subtext nor does QT have anything going on in his little brain beyond homages to the movies he grew up watching while wanking himself raw over his superfluous dialogue and references which he believes is clever. This worked perfectly well in Pulp Fiction, which is a masterpiece, but it leaves his movies with a feeling of emptiness that I can’t shake off. PF has that same void but it fits perfectly well within the time it was produced, back in the 90’s, because most people hadn’t seen such emphasis placed on dialogue, not to mention the timeline shifts, for so long that they were able to ignore the lack of substance behind the structure and wordplay. It’s ironic that today I also bought Ed Wood and The Shawshank Redemption on Blu-ray as both movies came out in 1994, the same year as Pulp Fiction, and are clearly superior while nor garnering the sort of reputation as QT’s movie and I have to wonder if it captured the zeitgeist of the times because it distracted from its lack of content by shuffling the deck and blabbing the same way you cheat someone out of their money in a game of Three-card Monte because after seeing Django Unchained I feel like a mark that’s had $10 taken from him with nothing of value gained.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Meet

    by UltraTron

    Ultra Mandingo!!! http://i.imgur.com/yRc3c.jpg

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 7:36 p.m. CST

    nailed it oprah duke

    by Nick

    Django has huge haul in one day box office! Told you it would surprise. Take note hollywood, black demographic will go to the movies! At least I don't hide behind a handle and use my name to stand by original thoughts and angles on a social topic. Name calling is the lowest form of debate. Good job!

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 9:09 p.m. CST

    @creepythinmanrises

    by KGB3317

    How do you see when you walk with your nose so goddamn high in the air?

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST

    It must suck to be CREEPYTHINMAN. FACT!

    by GravyAkira

    While I do respect your appreciation of Ed Wood and Shawshank, your misguided critisims of Django feel forced. Were you expecting to be offended more than you were, hence your disappointment? Sorry you didnt laugh your ass off as I did throughout its entire running time. This is one of the most entertaining movies of this generation. And no way am I letting you slide for that "black man getting dragged by the truck" comment you made. Gutless pricks like yourself are causing the downfall of humanity. You talk a lot of shit behind the keyboard because you know you are a pussy in the real world. You are lucky I dont have more time on my hands right now. This isnt over though. I will be watching Cloud Atlas soon. Maybe it will be better than Django, but I doubt it. I got a lot more to say ThinMan. A lot more! And you're an asshole. Offended?

  • because that's precisely what it would take to even come near the writing and execution in his first few feature films.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST

    @creepythinmanrises

    by dryjism

    RIGHT ON THE FUCKING MONEY, my nigger!

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 9:27 p.m. CST

    @cellarrat

    by dryjism

    Hilarious, my nigger. ps. hope harry doesnt mind all the "nigger"s in these posts, just trying to nullify the power of the word, nah mean?

  • But you idiots are hilarious in your ignorance. So you guys keep believing that "ALL BLACK PEOPLE" actually talk like that, and Ill keep believing that "ALL WHITE PEOPLE" have little dicks and run slow. And yes quantize, DJANGO is THOUSAND TIMES BETTER than Basterds. QT's best yet in my opinion.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 9:52 p.m. CST

    One of the heroes was white

    by NapoleonDynamite

    The closest person to Django in the movie, next to Broomhilda, is Christoph Waltz. Waltz's character is sympathetic to Django's desire to rescue his wife and risks his own life and fortune to help with(something Waltz's character has nothing to personally gain from), He is an ally and friend portrayed as having courage and morality. The movie depicts the killing of SLAVERS, not "white people," just like BASTERDS was about killing NAZIS, not "white people."

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 9:53 p.m. CST

    creepythinmanrises - you are such a pussy

    by AntonStark

    grow some balls and say what you actually think your comment was nothing but bullshit

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Thank you for that Christmas gift, the_cellarrat

    by Atticus Finch

    That obit captured Harry perfectly.

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST

    That your Christmas present, ultratron?

    by Atticus Finch

    Cute as hell!

  • Dec. 26, 2012, 11:21 p.m. CST

    That scene with the KKK was one of the funniest of the year

    by BigTuna

    Don Johnson was terrific in it BTW.

  • broomhilda story that was the reason waltz let his convictions get away from him. He even said she was worth it.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 8:17 a.m. CST

    dedrek, no!!!!!!

    by Dollar Bird

    As soon as I read Harry's sentence, "I grew up in the macho Blaxploitation films of the 1970s," I was drooling to see what choice lines you would cherry pick from this pile of words. Please, sir, I beg of you, continue your skewerings. They always reduced me to tears of joy.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST

    UltraTron reviews Django Unchained(spoilz)

    by UltraTron

    Merry Christmas ultra peeps! So in a sold out crowd everyone both black and white laughed their asses off all through this. Oh yeah- that's because it's a movie made by master director Tarintino and anyone who mentioned that it uses the word nigger is a mindless, mewling cumrag. Any controversy anyone tried to stir up is just a pathetic attempt to garner attention for themselves(spike lee). The villains in the movie(villains, not white people jamie fox you silly willy even though that was on snl and duuuhhh)deserve to die(as do the behind the scenes villains who created slavery and the gov that exploited Americans with all this bullshit while laughing their asses off to the bank while we duuur duuuur duuuuuured into incredibly profitable civil war-but that's for a different conversation). Biggest laugh was nigules. What a great movie. Best western since Jessie James outlaw coward one. Can't wait to play this in my rig and hear what it really sounds like. Run to this as fast as you can. It also happens to be the only movie that features my cock upside down.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Ultratron

    by Hipshot

    I was talking with Reggie Hudlin, the producer on "Django" and he dished about the genesis of the project, Tarantino's background (he definitely grew up with black people), and his sense of what was missing in cinema (compared to images of happy, contented darkies or heroic Klan). It is debatable whether "Django" is a success. But to suggest that there are no themes present in the movie is simply a denial of reality. He cared PASSIONATELY to give audiences who hate slavery a way to vent those emotions. Look at the comments here and you can clearly see who has no black friends on speed-dial, if you know what I mean.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Hipshot

    by Dp

    (compared to images of happy, contented darkies or heroic Klan.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Just came from Hobbit. my opinion?

    by frank

    GAME CHANGER now bring in Avatar 2 and its 3D 60FPS.

  • Ultra Mandingoooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://i.imgur.com/yRc3c.jpeg

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Hip shot,got cut off...

    by Dp

    Heroic images of the Klan? Outside of Birth of A Nation, WHEN has that ever been the case?

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 10:37 a.m. CST

    jjheat

    by Hipshot

    Right there, in BOAN, is enough, considering it is one of the most famous and influential films in world history.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Hipshot

    by Dp

    Except that BOAN, like Song Of The South, is almost never watched other than in film school. As well, the critics who praise it do so for its technical skill but lambaste its racism.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Ultratron, your Ultra Mandingo has nothing against

    by frank

    THE WHITE SUPREMACY OF BABE: http://i.imgur.com/DboXw.jpg

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST

    jjheat

    by Hipshot

    That is true: today. But it was seminal in forming film culture, and films like Gone With The Wind rest firmly upon its foundation. And GWTW is the most popular and successful and beloved film in history. We stand, all of us, on the shoulders of our ancestors, and present culture rests firmly on the foundations of the past. Such films had an assumption of black inferiority that was embraced by the culture as a whole, and didn't really begin to break down until the 1970's. It will take a LOT of counterbalancing images to bring things to a "neutral" state. In fact, we may never quite get there. "Close" may well have to be far enough.

  • in both movies you have black people killing white racists who either want to exterminate or enslave the inferior to them, races. Especially in Red Tails, the blacks were portrayed more positively, as war heroes doing their part in winning WW2 and not as dark characters like Django's bounty hunter who seeks revenge. Even Spike Lee praised and promoted the importance of RT for the black cinema, while he refused to even watch Django. Someone would assume that both movies should be embraced by the black audience and become hits but that is not the case. RT crashed and burned in the BO while the black audience went to see Django which they loved a lot. So why this difference in the acceptance of the two movies from the black audience? why one movie was completely ignored while the other was embraced, although both movies had black people kicking some ass against white racists.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    hipshot

    by Dp

    You are absolutely correct about the portrayal of slaves, but it's the second part of your statement that I have a problem with. There is *no* history of the Klan bein portrayed as heroic outside of a single movie made nearly 100 years ago. While Hollywood has a questionable record when it comes to the depiction of blacks, Hollywood has always been on the side of angels when it comes to portraying groups like the Klan as terrorists. And there are almost no movies featuring slaves, happy or otherwise, alongside Klansmen, heroic or otherwise, because the Klan did not exist during the Civil War.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    jjheat

    by Hipshot

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    jjheat

    by Hipshot

    No, there is no pattern of Hollywood presenting the Klan as heroic--mostly a single glaring instance. That is correct. However, Hollywood (and the publishing industry) did maintain the fiction of genteel plantation life, satisfied slaves, and noble masters--the status quo the Klan existed to protect. The Klan then was villified while "good" Southerners were shocked, shocked, I say! to discover that violence was being practiced against those poor, simple black folks. they became the cartoon villains while the "typical" Southerner was not an oppressor, but as innocent as all those Germans who lived near Auschwitz, read "Mein Kampf", saw Jews going into the camps but never coming out, watched smoke pouring from the stacks but had NO idea that there was gambling going on in the back room. The Klan became the straw-dog whipping boy to distract from the fact that Southerners, slave-owners or not, fought like hell for the status quo and only released their property after fantastic violence and force were brought to bear. These were not stupid, deluded people. They knew damned well the value of what they were giving up, and groups like the Klan fought to maintain as much of that social order as possible, for as long as they possibly could.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Um...Red Tails fucking SUCKED. That's why it bombed.

    by Mel

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST

    IM BLACK... Red Tails sucked... Django Unchained is a masterpeice

    by GravyAkira

    That might have something to do with Red Tails failing at box-office. It was a Cliffs Notes version of an important moment in American military history. Critics and audiences were not fooled by this half-assed Lucas-produced artificial dreck. And Tarantino has enough of a fanbase now that any film with his name on it is pretty much assured a 20million opening weekend. Plus DJANGO has been getting great reviews, while Red Tails got blasted by critics. Its not rocket science why this doing far better than Red Tails.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST

    BLACK people can spell too by the way! MASTERPIECE

    by GravyAkira

    Cant let my race look foolish on the talkbacks

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    So who was the chick with the red scarf and axes?

    by jim loder

    Did I miss something? I thought she was going to have an important role in the ending, but then she just kinda disappeared. Although she might have been the chick who was looking at the B&W photo of the B&W kids through the old-time view master towards the end. I'm thinking she might have had a big scene that had to get cut; maybe it will be in the comic.

  • Loved it the first time I saw it, but last night was actually my first repeat viewing. Honestly, it fucking CRAWLS. There are great scenes, but there are really long-winded boring nothing happening scenes, too.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    =Red Tails fucking SUCKED=

    by frank

    in an era, during which abominations like TF2 gross more than $1b, this argument has stopped being valid.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST

    hipshot

    by Dp

    Again, I see what you mean, but that's nowhere near the same as "heroic" Klansman. And the Klan had nothing to do with slavery and everything to do with enforcing Jim Crow. This may sound like nitpicking, but these things matter.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST

    jloderxxiv

    by SpaghettiWall

    Indeed--it was the chick looking through the B&W photo. She was played by Zoe Bell, and I think it was mainly QT's way of getting her in the film.

  • I still stand by my low white people turnout defense when it comes to Red Tails. (plus it sucked too)

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Audience was dead still after the mandingo fight.

    by NotEnoughBiehn

    The audience went reaction in the theater, from buzzing and elation over deftly executed dialogue, Klan comedy and blazing gunplay to completely sober. What a film.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST

    The audience reaction in the theater went from...

    by NotEnoughBiehn

    I meant to type.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    jjheatseeker

    by Hipshot

    But the Klan was heroic in BOAN. And that was one of the very first popular films. It took fifty years before a movie even tangentially refuted it. That is massive influence. A president's quote ("history writ with lightning") is associated with it, even if the provenance of the quote is in doubt. I've had Southerners defend the Klan to me as recently as, oh, maybe three years ago (the moral difference between Nathan Bedford Forrest's "good klan" and the lowball goofballs that followed escapes me). As I consider them murdering terrorists and nothing more, the fact that it took so long to rebuke them is horrifying. I grasp that this isn't the same as constant reinforcement, but it is still a social meme until deleted...which didn't take place until the Civil Rights movement.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Ku Klux Klan is

    by frank

    complicated.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST

    hipshot

    by Dp

    Fair enough, I've lived my whole life North of Dixie. But yeah, I still say it hasn't been a *movie* trope.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 6:25 p.m. CST

    I like this guy hipshot...

    by ponyboy

    as I've mentioned before, my best friend was the only black actor/extra in Pitts Jesse James. we've had many discussions involving race. but as a canadian, he is very proud of us having "the Underground Railroad"...which even led to the black hockey league. he's proud to be canadian, but some of his stories about his growing up & being called the "n" word really disturbed(s) me. I hear that word and cringe...my friend does not use that word with our other black friends. I think I would like to have a cup of joe with hipshot, as he sounds like a highly intelligent & humane talkbacker. and highly knowledgable about American history. just that word...I don't get how americans can still feel "comfortable" bandying the "n" around as if it is socially acceptable. I get the use of it in django, but being a canadian, or fuck it, being a human being, that fucking word is & has always been off limits for me, ALWAYS. thank you hipshot for bringing some accurate & informative, if not disturbing insight, into this talkback...peace fellow film lover.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST

    jjheatseeker

    by Hipshot

    You are correct that it has not been consistent--don't want to imply that you are wrong.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 6:36 p.m. CST

    ponyboy...

    by Hipshot

    Thank you so much. I love my country, despite its imperfections. Enjoy Canada hugely, by the way, (I was recently asked to be GOH at a convention up that way. Be glad to revisit!) I consider these issues important. Most of my friends, lovers, mentors, and students over the years have been white, as are most of the characters in my novels. That doesn't exclude me from having racial feelings, but it does keep me...mindful. Which may be the most we can do. And yes, I'd love to sit and have a cuppa joe with you or any of the other reasonable Talkbackers. I treat this place like an SF convention going on downstairs from my office, and wander in to listen to the fun people talk. I get irritable when I hear racism masquerading as critical thinking, and jump in. It is amusing to me that such discussions NEVER happen in person--only with the anonymity of the internet do these cowards spew their venom. They need their white hoods, so to speak. Happy New Year, Bro.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST

    1858 is 3 years before the Civil War, not 2.

    by Mostholy

    Such an obvious fact, wrong in the first 30 seconds. Didn't bode well for the film. Anyways, I liked it ok, but it was another signal post of QT disappearing up his own ass and basically trod the same ground as the superior Basterds -- QT righting history's wrongs with a vengeance. It also bugged me that Django and Schultz's plan was so needlessly byzantine. Why not just be like, "I'm a lonely german guy who will pay top dollar for a slave who speaks german"? Could've skipped about an hour of the film then.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 7:38 p.m. CST

    hipshot...

    by ponyboy

    so glad you enjoyed visiting "the great white north"! please come up here anytime & enjoy yourself...I would love to read some/all of your work! you sir, are one of the tb'rs I truly think this talkback needs. we need your level of calm intelligence around here. my very best to you this new year! thank you for your insight on american history...your references had me doing some research of my own...powerful & heart wrenching stuff to be sure. again, all the best to you & the hipshot family! peace

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 8:07 p.m. CST

    ponyboy

    by Hipshot

    Thank you so much. I'm a little isolated in Atlanta right now (family business) but will be returning to L.A. later this year. Its not like I'm some huge mucky-muck, but I enjoy the anonymity--some TB'ers are true scum, and I have zero interest in my family being harrassed. You have been most polite, so if you post your email, I'll send you a link to my Amazon page. Happy New Year to you too!

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 8:16 p.m. CST

    ponyboy

    by Hipshot

    Better still, send your email address to support@diamondhour.com, and I'll get it.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST

    hipshot...done & done my friend.

    by ponyboy

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Ponyboy360

    by Dp

    Canadian racism is different - it is often a lot more covert than in the US. And I've known people who woud never be racist towards blacks but who say the worst shit about native people.

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Hipshot

    by Dp

    Thanks for talking about this civilly - that's so rare online!

  • please parse that sentence. Good grief,

  • Dec. 27, 2012, 11:52 p.m. CST

    jj...

    by ponyboy

    although I'm a white boy, I met my biological father after 21 years, who happens to be métis, which means I have some native blood in me. fuck you johnny depp, Cherokee my ass! everyone I know was completely surprised, yet super happy that I met my bio dad...they could give two shits about him being native or not. changed my last name that started with a P, to his last name, which I have tattooed on my wrist. although, my adopted last name is still on numerous things, such as emails etc..gotta change a lot of legal things as well to be my true self...if that makes sense. how did I find my dad? was reading the business section of the paper, turns out the old man started a business from nothing & now is a millionaire. I now know what I'll look like when I'm older...fucking spitting image. NOBODY brings up his heritage, it's a complete non-issue. he looks "white" but is native. maybe in remote northern Canada is there "covert" racism towards natives, but since I was young, we all respected the aboriginals...for me, now even more so. Canada is a country that respects natives, at least that has been the norm in my 30 plus years. don't know where your from, maybe you know something I don't. I know I'll catch shit for this post, but I'm just stating my prerogative, from where I'm from. as I type this, the django trailer played twice, gonna go watch it again tomorrow. peace to you jj, & buy no means take this as a negative post, just my life experiences.

  • Dec. 28, 2012, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Ponyboy

    by Dp

    I live in an urban area with a fairly large First Nations population. There are a lot of Metis people and a lot of First Nations pride, but a large part of the poor and homeless population is native. The stereotype of the "drunk Indian" is pretty strong here. And what's shaking is that people who are otherwise liberal and oppose other forms of racism often express this racism against First Nations people. By "covert," though, I meant that while people rarely use the n word the racism against blacks shows up in other ways.

  • Dec. 28, 2012, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Sorry, what's shaking = what's shocking

    by Dp

  • Dec. 28, 2012, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Ponyboy...

    by Hipshot

    Blacks fled north to Canada, and freedom. Whatever sins Canada has, it meant heaven to my ancestors, and you get serious brownie points. I've often said that Canada reminds me of America with a lower fear factor. I think that the "sin" of slavery, and the violence and horror that surrounded it and finally ended it, is a stain on our national character. The apologists make it difficult to cleanse the stain in a "Truth and Reconciliation" fashion, so it festers. I remember lecturing at a white college, and during a Q & A session, a nice kid asked why so many black people were angry. I asked him a simple question: if the positions were reversed, we had kidnapped you from your homes, worked you to death for generations, raped your women and sold your children, then when beaten into submission turned you loose and pretended none of it happened...what would you want to do to us? The room went UGLY. The answer: "I'd want to kill you." There it is. THAT is the natural human response, kept in check by God knows what. And on some level, I think there is a big chunk of White America that has been expecting payback for a loooong time. That's fear.

  • Dec. 28, 2012, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Hipshot

    by Dp

    The situation of blacks in Canada is not always as rosy as people think. There's a great historical novel called The Book Of Negroes (US title Somebody Knows My Name) that deals with black migration to Canada following the Revolutionary war.

  • Dec. 28, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Jjheat

    by Hipshot

    I have no doubt there was and is racism. That's a human norm. But there was not slavery, and that is a GIGANTIC difference.

  • Dec. 28, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST

    I thought my favorite cameo was going to be (spoilers)

    by CherryValance

    Tom Wopat. But then QT made Jesus one of the trackers. I nearly jumped out of my seat. So much happiness.

  • Dec. 28, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    i find this review quite offensive...

    by dirk123

    I'm not going to read it

  • Dec. 28, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    jjheatseeker...

    by ponyboy

    I actually have "the book of negroes". for the record, I am not the type of person to state that one country is "better" than the other. quite the contrary...I love the states, just not the actions of the ignorant. I truly respect your opinions & posts. I can tell you're a smart & well informed dude...but slavery, segregation, lynching...ahhhh just not defendable. thank you for being a civil tb'r. peace

  • Dec. 28, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST

    hipshot...

    by ponyboy

    thank you very much for the link! let me just say I was/am completely impressed with your writing credits! not just your work on tv, but the NOVELS!...many, many novels...much respect. you are probably THE most qualified to speak upon this subject, no doubt in MY mind! I ordered 5 of your novels from amazon.ca, they should arrive by mid january. (cheaper for me to order off amazon.ca) I am a voracious reader, & will eat these books up once they arrive, you can take that to the bank! I stated above that I would like to sit & have a conversation over coffee, but quite honestly, I think I would just love to LISTEN to your stories of american history...I feel I could learn a tremendous amount from your life experiences. I don't want to blow your cover so to speak, but these tb'rs should read & absorb your posts, not act like children & nit-pick. again, MUCH respect sir, i will send an email stating which books i bought, if that's cool with you. regarding your email, I completely agree with your assessment of aicn & it's talkbackers. well, I'm off to see django again in about 1/2 hour... peace Mr. B

  • Dec. 28, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Harry watched and remembered Taxi Driver at the age of 4? Lol

    by Nabster

    Harry's pile of bullshit never ceases to amuse me. And he even claims that he found it to reflect his life? lol

  • Dec. 28, 2012, 6:08 p.m. CST

    So is it Reservoir Dogs Tarantino or Basterds Tarantino?

    by quantize

    Cause if its the latter i wouldn't waste my spit on it.

  • Dec. 28, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST

    ponyboy

    by Hipshot

    You are very welcome. Shhhh.

  • Dec. 28, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST

    really disappointed

    by dagwood

    Didn't dig it. For all the acclaim, I feel to see what warrants it. Great acting all around. I fault Tarantino who after making the tremendous Basterds has officially gotten too indulgent.

  • Dec. 29, 2012, 1:12 a.m. CST

    whiny whiny whiny

    by BMac

    self-entitled blacks, self hating whites, and blowhard conservatives. this great country is fucking done. that idiot in the office, is handing us to the chinese on a silver platter. it's been fun america, but all you wanted to do was argue with each other, blame each other, and tell each other how they should or have the right to feel a certain way. this country proved all races are selfish pieces of shit and dumb as hell. see you all in hell. No Fate but the One You Make

  • Dec. 29, 2012, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Goodbye Uncle Tom

    by 1919

    How was this film offensive in the truth it told..? Its an amazing film ...I wish it would get a double bill with DJANGO. I also wish someone would make a film about the Triangle Trade and how African Slaves sold their own slaves for molasses

  • Dec. 29, 2012, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Great movie

    by lewis maldonado

    unreadable review

  • Ask him if he finished third grade, and THEN decide if he's qualified to educate you on world history.

  • It's ridiculously high. And lets remember, minorities like Asians in America DO prosper. So the minority excuse doesn't cut it, neither does the poverty one. Asians started off poor, everyone did.

  • Dec. 30, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Minority in America

    by Hipshot

    the reason people want to ignore and diminish the problem if slavery is so that they can draw false equivalencies like the one nabs tee made just above. if is profoundly dishonest to compare the descendants of slaves with immigrants. African immigrants do about as well as immigrants from any other group. Immigration was NOT the same as being ripped from your land, having your language, name, and religion stripped away, and being programmed to be an animal. the difference between Conservatives and Liberals is that they both see the difference in performance, but Conservatives conclude the people are different, and Liberals conclude the playing field is tilted. If,you don't grasp what 250 years of slavery followed by 100 years of Jim Crow and segregation while being outnumbered 10 to 1 would do to a people you are blinded by racism.

  • Dec. 30, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Excellent response Hipshot. Respect Due!!

    by sanford and gun

  • Whites commit more crimes but blacks are arrested and sentenced at a rate that all government studies (bipartisan studies at that) show that this disparity is real and racist.<p> As for Asian success in America, thanks to preferences for educated immigrants, Asians are two-thirds more likely than whites and three times more likely than blacks to have a college degree.<p> I have no problem with that, but to compare Asian immigrant success to the lack of success in the former black slave's descendants is plain stupid.

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