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‘The Boy!! He Is Important!!’ The Last FRINGE Of 2012!! Herc’s Mayan Apocalypse TV Talkback!!
Today we learn whether the Mayans were any good at making calendars or if they were just, in the words of Scatman Crothers, unreliable assholes.
Last week Walter took (some more) LSD and the Bishops and Astrid found the Boy Observer.
Fox says of tonight’s “Anomaly xb-6783746”:
As the countdown to the climactic series finale continues, the Fringe team is running out of time to save the world. As Peter, Olivia, Astrid and Walter scramble to tap into a key piece of the puzzle to defeat the Observers, they enlist the aid of Nina Sharp who conjures up a plan.
Jan. 11 brings “The Boy Must Live.”
Jan. 18 brings the series’ final two episodes: “Liberty” and “An Enemy Of Fate.”
Fridays, Sept. 21-Dec. 14, 2012
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Seriously, if you're going to link to stuff, check it first.
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Hope it's a good one, sure it will be. Walter's animated recall of the password last episode was excellent.
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The guy he gave us season 3 has left/walked/pushed. Fuck, whats going on at AMC? http://io9.com/5970547/showrunner-glen-mazzara-leaves-the-walking-dead PS. Yay Fringe!
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January 17 (Thursday)? Not the 18th (Friday)?
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too bad Fringe is over, might better to burn out than fade away, or however that goes, better to end on a high note but I will miss the show and would like to see it keep going. Could do a soft reboot on the show, sci fi is endless with ideas. Anyway that Monty Python animated bit was so cool, I had to watch it a few times. I was over a friends house and they had it on, I was upset because I wanted to wait till later to watch but anyway when the two finger grabbed Walter's head, everyone was like what the f!!! I would like Fringe to continue on cable or as specials or a movie, just because the cast is really great. I hope John Noble gets plenty more work now. Maybe he could be on another show or play in a Marvel movie, the guy would be great in the new Star Wars or something. I should look up Nobles past work and watch it. Walter the mad scientist who loves lsd, david bowie, and red vines... you sir are a badass character if there ever was one
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Dec. 21, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST
everytime i see kirkman interviewed my spider sense kicks off
by rakesh patel
i don;t know what it is about that dude. pity about Mazara he precide dvoer a damm fine turnaround. maybe amcs strategy to save money is make one great season and one shit season and repeat. cant anyone get an actual scoop and find out what the fuck is going on. to lose ne may be considered bad luck, but two?
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A Walter-centric spin-off would be good. Someone in last week's TB mentioned Zachary Quinto as young Bell - a young Walter and Bell show would be great, or a present-day Walter and Dr Jacoby from Twin Peaks team-up.
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anyone ignorant enough not to realize they were being taken by a ride by American pseudo "authors" was wrong. if you really bought into it, no biggie, just be less stupid for the next one.
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http://fringepedia.net/wiki/Donald_Long What if it was simply this Donald who in this timeline is attempting to combat the observers as part of the resistance? Also, wasn't there supposedly more children observers than just the boy from last week? I thought I remember in the boy's original episode, the FBI saying something like, we found another one. Anyways, can't wait to watch, but am sad it is coming to an end. So bittersweet!
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Dec. 21, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST
I hate to say it, but the end of the "is Peter turning into an Observer" storyline was a little bit anticlimactic
by TheSeeker7
Yea obviously Olivia was doing all of her worrying on her own, and repeatedly just asking Peter if he was alright and him saying stop worrying, but then basically there was simply one "let's get real" scene where she asks him to please take the tech out of his head because she fears she's losing him... and he does it.<br> <br> I honestly thought there was going to be a little bit more of a fight there, Peter not wanting to do it.
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I'm wondering if he is the first non-tech Observer. What does this mean? The scene where he touches Nina's face and she starts to stand....does that mean he has healing powers? Can he rewire Walter's brain? I look for tonight to be a doozy since it's setting up the finish. Maybe we finally learn what "the Plan" is. 2 minus 2 1/2 hours. Ready for it.
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Heard that date before.
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Dec. 21, 2012, 5:48 p.m. CST
Glen Mazerra (The Walking Dead's Showrunner) and AMC has agreed to part after season 3...
by Amadeo Zeller
It seems like AMC goes out of their way to undermine their best programs.
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It's worked so well for SyFy so far, hasn't it?
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NINA!!!!!!!!!!
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What a bitchslap by Nina!
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Great swan song for Nina, definitely her best acting of the series.
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Dec. 21, 2012, 9:02 p.m. CST
12-21-2012 is just the Mayan equivelant of Feb 29th / leap year in our calendar
by Rebel Scumb
I learned this shit in the 4th grade back in the 1980s it blows my mind that people were still worried about it. Our calender fails every 4 years, so we need to add a day. The Mayan calender is much more mathmatically sound so it takes hundreds of years to need a reset/leap day. That's it! That's all!
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The big Donald reveal was....not surprising. That being said, it fits perfectly. Just 3 more hours to go.
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Dec. 21, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST
'Fringe' Friday: Three burning questions answered, plus a special poster project for fans
by Paul
http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/12/21/fringe-friday-three-burning-questions-answered-plus-a-special-poster-project-for-fans/ 'Fringe' Friday: Three burning questions answered, plus a special poster project for fans by Jeff Jensen Comments 24 Add comment Image Credit: Liane Hentscher/Fox One doomsday averted, another one still to come… if you’re a Fringe fan. The series finale of the Fox sci-fi saga is less than a month away, and this time we’re pretty sure the calendar can be trusted. Tonight’s new episode of Fringe is the show’s last outing until Jan. 11, when the two-part, three-hour series swan song begins. If you’re in the market for a tease, we direct you to this image from our recent “Fringe Finale” gallery of photos and intel provided by showrunner J.H. Wyman. (Don’t worry: It’s not a spoiler.) If you’re interested in more scoop, we can tell you this: The episode — entitled “Anomaly XB — 6783746″ — will address, in some fashion, a burning question that Fringe fans have been asking for most of the season. And that Burning Question just happens to be one of the three BQs we recently asked Wyman about when he called us from Vancouver, B.C., where he was getting ready to say goodbye to an iconic set: Walter’s lab. “I keep looking for all of these incredible angles to feature because it’s literally the last time we’ll be seeing the lab,” Wyman told EW. “I was walking around when the lights were out, before everyone came in to start lighting, remembering all of these incredibles scenes that have taken place there. That’s not going to be a good day for me, when we yell ‘CUT!’ on that last shot.” Pause to dab our own eyes… And now on with the Burning Questions. (And if you want to remain completely spoiler ignorant, skip to the very last paragraph, where we have some news about a Fringe fan event/program timed to the end of the series.) BQ #1: WHO’S DONALD? GET EW ON YOUR TABLET: Subscribe today and get instant access! This season, set in the year 2036, Olivia (Anna Torv), Peter (Joshua Jackson) and Walter (John Noble) have been piecing together clues to a master plan to defeat the oppressive time-traveling Observers that now rule the world, a peculiar scheme designed by Walter in collaboration with a mysterious ally named Donald. Walter can’t remember the plan or Donald, as the memories were eradicated by the cruel Captain Windmark (Michael Kopsa). Asked for some more insight into Donald, Wyman just laughed: “You will understand more about Donald soon enough.” He hints that Donald is “important, plot wise” but declined to say when we’ll meet him – or if we already have. BQ #2: WILL WE BE SEEING MORE OF WILLIAM BELL? Walter’s longtime frenemy, played by Leonard Nimoy, played a major role in last season’s storyline, in which the mad scientist tried to destroy the world so he could create a new one. Here in Fringelandia 2036, Bell was last seen sealed in amber, although his severed hand recently played a critical role in retrieving an element of the master plan. “I’m going to be honest, because I don’t want to give people false hope,” says Wyman. “Leonard was such a huge part of the program and so iconic, and I think he was used in the best possible way. This season for me was about resolving our core characters. Because we only had so many episodes, and not 22, I had to be really particular about what stories had to be wrapped up. It came down to focusing on the people that fans really love. Yes, they love all the peripheral characters, and I love them, too, and we’ll try to get to a number of them. But as far as the Bell storyline goes, I thought it was answered.” Wyman adds that he wants to provide as much resolution as possible in Fringe’s remaining episodes, but a few, unspecified aspects of the mythology will be left to the imagination – and it sounds like Bell’s final fate could be one of them. BQ #3: WILL THE OBSERVERS EVER DISCOVER THAT THE FUGITIVE HEROES OF FRINGE HAVE BEEN HIDING UNDER THEIR NOSES INSIDE WALTER’S LAB AT OBSERVER-OCCUPIED HARVARD UNIVERSITY? “They won’t,” laughs Wyman. Yes, he gets that this bit of business has been somewhat implausible. But he hopes fans can accept it with the implicit wink that it contains. “I really loved the escapism of it all, the idea that they were hiding in the belly of the beast. Look, I watched Hogan’s Heroes for many years, and I could roll with the idea that Col. Klink never knew what Hogan was hiding under the barracks. I thought it was a really cool, fun idea.” Speaking of nifty ideas: The folks at Fox and Bad Robot have brainstormed a cool, fun way to commemorate the end of Fringe. They’re asking fans to vote for their five favorite Fringe moments. Those moments will then be re-imagined as pieces of art, which will then be turned into posters that fans can purchase, courtesy of Gallery1988, which executed a similar project for the last season of Lost. Proceeds will benefit The Mission Continues, a service organization comprised of military veterans dedicated to working in communities across the nation. The artwork will also be exhibited at The Paley Center for Media in Beverly Hills, Calif. beginning Jan. 9.
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Dec. 21, 2012, 10:27 p.m. CST
Just to let you all know Gallery 1988 is selling Fringe Prints for charity like they did the Lost ones when that show ended.
by Paul
The first revealed one is "White Tulip" http://fringebenefitsproject.com/fr/p1/ Fans are asked to vote for their favorite episodes from a list http://fringebenefitsproject.com/fr/ to decide what the other 5 are going to be and then I believe theres supposed to be an art show at the Paley Center or something.
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Looks like they're going for a "time reset" a la what Peter did at the end of S3. Machine anyone?
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The Fringe team keep running all over the place using their cell phones. Are you telling me the Observers are too stupid to track cell phones???? COME ON!
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Dec. 22, 2012, 1:07 a.m. CST
Actually thats exactly how the Observers found Nina tonight by tracking her cel phone.
by Paul
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Dec. 22, 2012, 1:08 a.m. CST
Man what a great episode and such a great way for Nina to go out
by Paul
It protected the child Observer which rebooted Walter.
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Looks like Palpatine...subliminal folks
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Great way to go out for Nina. I wonder what the boy did to her or showed her? Donald is September, is he also the boys real father? Where is he now? Can't wait for the last 3 episodes.
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True, but they still seem very inefficient as a whole. WHy did they need to drive to her location, if they had teleported they would have got their in time to catch the child. How are the fringe team getting around so easily?? aren't there checkpoints everywhere? don't they need letters of transit, isn't their facial recognition software? In fact we've seen at one time or another that all of these things are out there, but for some reason are never used. Anyways I'm beating a dead horse at this point, it's too bad but I think its fine to let it slide when so much of everything else about the show this year has been great.
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Dec. 22, 2012, 7:42 a.m. CST
It's going to be fun to go back and re-watch the whole series on blu-ray
by Rebel Scumb
especially since seasons 4 and 5 went back to payoff so many minor things from season 1. I'm going to miss having Torv on my screen each week, hope she lands some more good roles
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Maybe they can't teleport over long distances? If that wasn't the case they could go anyway and would need to go anywhere in a car.
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I watched the previous episode just prior to sleeping. Consequence: Anna Torv sex dream. I recommend it, she was fun.
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I endorse that recommendation!
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The lapses in logic just induce headaches. The cell phone use that isn't tracked....the fact that Olivia/Peter/Walter have their faces plastered EVERYWHERE yet are never recognized by civilians....the fact that Observers seem easily duped and not nearly as powerful as they SHOULD be...it's baffling and insulting. Look at Windmark riding in a car to the black bunker where Nina was - why wouldn't he and other Observers just warp there immediately, knowing what a threat she is? Why, at the warehouse, is there NO security whatsoever, despite the fact that friggin' Windmark was interrogating suspected subversives there? That place would've been shut down with guards in real life, but instead, Peter, Olivia, and Walter break in with ease. There's suspension of disbelief, and there's outright stupidity. This show has foundered in stupidity.
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Gonna download and watch as soon as I can get my wife and kid out of the house for some peace and quiet.
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Even if Windmark DID need to take a car there, don't they have a loyalist dispatch service where the nearest available troops can get on the scene quicker, like real life cops who can show up within a couple of minutes? Why is there even a ministry of science run by humans? Aren't they trying to stifle human advancement? No one staking out the old lab, Etta's apartment, and several other logical locations one would keep an eye on with even the most basic profiling of the prime suspects. Even the interrogation of the suspects at the warehouse is just Windmark doing them one at a time with a big line up of suspects waiting, are there no other observers available for this kind of stuff? This would be like President Obama personally interrogating all POWs from Iraq and Afgahanistan, and also personally kicking down the doors for any arrests. It is baffling to me how they can be getting everything else so right, but have not thought this stuff out a bit better. A truly scary regime of Observers who are on the hero's tails at every turn, would have boosted this season incredibly, as it stands it actually seems like it would be easier to commit crimes in 2036 observer occupied earth then it would be to do so in present day US/Canada. Even in the season 1-4 episodes if the Fringe team had an incident they would still send regular cops or FBI agents onto the scene to secure the area ASAP while the fringe division made its way there. There isn't even a sense that the occupation has really disrupted day to day living for the humans, everyone seems well off and going about their business. Something more the tone of Half Life2 would have been better.
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Dec. 22, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST
Thank you Fringe producers assholes (I'll put it ALL on Akiva Goldman since I refuse to blame the great David Fury) for SPOILING who Donald was by putting Michael Cerveris name in the main title!
by R Howell
Seriously, WTF? Whenever Joss Whedon pulled a last minute surprise, he ALWAYS put the character as a "special guest star" as the first thing that popped up in the end title credits.
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Dec. 22, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST
And Anna Torv's body is one of the most incredible on TV right now. Her ass alone should be enough to get men and gay women to tune in!
by R Howell
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Dec. 22, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST
JH Wyman responded to why the Observers never find the Fringe team at Walters old lab and I think that this is kind of your answer to all of your issues with this season.
by Paul
BQ #3: WILL THE OBSERVERS EVER DISCOVER THAT THE FUGITIVE HEROES OF FRINGE HAVE BEEN HIDING UNDER THEIR NOSES INSIDE WALTER’S LAB AT OBSERVER-OCCUPIED HARVARD UNIVERSITY? “They won’t,” laughs Wyman. Yes, he gets that this bit of business has been somewhat implausible. But he hopes fans can accept it with the implicit wink that it contains. “I really loved the escapism of it all, the idea that they were hiding in the belly of the beast. Look, I watched Hogan’s Heroes for many years, and I could roll with the idea that Col. Klink never knew what Hogan was hiding under the barracks. I thought it was a really cool, fun idea.”
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I think that its like Nightcrawler's teleportation abilities in the X-Men. He could only teleport 3 miles at most (theirs is probably shorter) and would only do so to places that he had seen before so that he knew that he wouldn't be teleporting into a solid object.
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of the Dennis Hopper Sicilian scene from the movie True Romance.
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Dec. 22, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST
I thought the lizard reference was a sly nod to BB's 'Altered States' role
by tangcameo
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Dec. 22, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST
When Nina was talking about lizards and the way that they hear I was sure that she was going to use some sort of damaging sound device on them.
by Paul
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One of the weakest this season. After grilling Nina- "where are the fugitives!"- they suddenly get bored and go home? Don't stick around to pounce when our team comes to find her body? Ridiculous. Why do they even bother driving in those old shitboxes when they can instantly apparate anyplace they please? Just an incredibly static episode. And, September looked silly wearing that rug at the end. On the plus side, Michael Cerveris is great at playing a creepy music producer on Treme...
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nina is dead and i don't care. Seriously i hope they pull their fingers out for these last ones as this is looking disappointing for the ending of a great show.
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The awesome, imaginative "Walter on acid" episode with the lovely Monty Python shout out. That was completely unexpected and so great.
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Dec. 22, 2012, 3:10 p.m. CST
me too paburrow, I thought she wasn't afraid because she had lured them into a trap
by Rebel Scumb
some sort of tech they had figured out in that lab with their tests which would kill everyone in the room
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Dec. 22, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST
I think part of the trick to enjoying this season is to think of the season 4 finale as the series finale, and this season sort of the way the ST:TNG movies are to ST:TNG
by Rebel Scumb
The TNG series finale is probably one of the best of any show, it's a very effective resolution to the characters and story (admittedly not a show that had a dense serialized mythology) The TNG movies are just sort of slapped on after and not really necessary, Some are better than others, and opinions on the overall quality and value of the TNG movies vary, but whatever the opinions, generally speaking the show doesn't need any movies after it, it ends effectively on its own at the end of season 7 The way I look at it Fringe ended very effectively with the finale of season 4, the last 10 or so episodes lead up to it really nicely, and nearly everything set up in the show was addressed, except the 'letters of transit' episode which set up this season. Lack of logic and menace in the villians aside (which is a big deal) I've enjoyed this season enough that I will buy the blu-ray and the season can sit with the other 4 on the shelf, but if this season was truly awful I would just not bother getting it on disc, and think of the end of 4 as the finale.
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One of the weaker Fringe episodes. They have done better. Much better.
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Dec. 22, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST
Shows like this make me think everything will need to be set in the past.
by mgs316
With all the cell phones, cameras, face recognition a reality nowadays, it's tough to write a story that doesn't have all sorts of holes in it. Or else writers need to learn to adapt.
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Season 3 would be the perfect finale. It tied everything together perfectly. Season 4 was like, "Oh shit, we got another season, we have to bring Peter back", but it still was satisfying, but not in the way the first 3 tied together. This season is doing it's best to bring everything full circle. Yes, it's not perfect and you have to suspend belief, but I realize some of you don't like to enjoy anything. So fuck off. It's still the same awesome characters. John Noble is still great. The Peterserver arc was neat to see if not a little abbreviated. Olivia has been a little subdued but has come on of late. It's done in 3 episodes, so complain all you want or go watch some horrible Law and Order spinoff and bitch about that.
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Dec. 22, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST
mongo, I don't think anyone is making over generalized complaints
by Rebel Scumb
The only real critique I've seen is regarding the lack of logic re: the observer occupation, which is valid. The cast is still great, the VFX, the look of the show, there have been plenty of good twists and turns, some great character moments. I think if anything it's a testament to the show that even with a problematic villain story element for the season it is still working so well.
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Dec. 22, 2012, 6:23 p.m. CST
thanks to seeing the (super hot, btw) actress recently in something else, I was reminded of Peter & Olivia's OTHER daughter from the future, from last year
by TheSeeker7
Ya know, when Peter first engages with the machine, and seemingly gets booted several years in the future? They had a daughter there, looked extremely different than Etta, and I don't recall her name, but she was smoking hot ("Sleepwalk With Me" was the thing I saw her in, btw). So, was that simply another reality/timeline at this point? I have to admit, I've been happily watching Fringe since the very beginning and even I feel still rather confused about a good number of things.
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Dec. 22, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST
theseeker, I think that was Olivia's niece from seasons 1-2 grown up. But yeah that future no longer exists
by Rebel Scumb
I believe that is the future in the 'peter didn't get erased' universe. Although why there is no observer invasion I'm not sure.
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I wouldn't have a problem with that, for the most part I hate cellphones and seeing tv shows where people are on them constantly. it's always nice to see slightly retrograde technology in things. Old rotatory phones, no internet, and whatnot.
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the NIECE, not the daughter. I thought my math on the age was a little off there.
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She was calm for the very exact reasons she explained to Windmark: she had a sense of something larger, a purpose, and value to her sacrifice. She was acting out of love. She knew the moment Olivia phoned her that the Observers knew about her. Rewatch that moment: in those few seconds she realizes what she has to do. She realizes that she will have to die, and that it must happen very soon. "I have to go..." had more than one meaning.
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Yes, the dark-haired chick was Rachel's daughter Ella, all grown up. The infamous episode where Walternate shoots Olivia in the forehead while Peter is talking to his holographic image.
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Good season. Doing their best to bring it all together and it's bitch bitch bitch. We could have reruns of Smarter the a 5th Grader for chrissakes.
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Dec. 22, 2012, 9:37 p.m. CST
you're right chromedome, I got that by the end of the scene, it was just the way it started...
by Rebel Scumb
...I thought 'OH! maybe she has something up her cyborg sleeve!' I like the way it played out though, it was a very worthy exit for a character who they managed to keep you guessing about for 5 seasons whether she was an enemy or ally
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Dec. 22, 2012, 9:40 p.m. CST
I suppose its a matter of opinion, but I don't think people are 'bitch bitch bitch'
by Rebel Scumb
there's one aspect people are a bit let down by, but the majority of all the talkbacks have been resoundingly positive about Fringe past and present. I think everyone is enjoying and hopefuly about the show ending well. To me the 'bitch bitch bitch' is when people rag on and on about BSG or LOST, especially because half their complaints are just for things they misinterpreted anyways. But fair enough, at this point this season is what it is, and overall its been very good.
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Dec. 22, 2012, 9:50 p.m. CST
I'm another in the camp of who thought Nina was leading the Observers to some kind of sonic boom-type audio death attack on the Oberservers, from the lizard speech.. but the way it REALLY played out.. awesome.
by TheSeeker7
as far as the bitching. I've come to realize, unfortunately, this is simply just a byproduct of the geek culture, specifically one that's given such a tool that can allow their thoughts to be so quickly spread but still essentially retaining anonymity for themselves. People will always want to complain about SOMETHING. Any doc I suppose could tell you a few different reasons why. Maybe about achieving some kind of misguided sense of superiority, I don't know. But these fanboys just love love LOVE the media and general pop culture to take the time to build up some piece of 'art', if you will, to this critical mass and let it gain extreme popularity, just for these fanboys to swoop in and start knocking that thing way back down to square one.<br> <br> It really is one of the more disturbing aspects of human behavior.
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It has a lot to do with what people want to see. They have a gap between finding out about something, allowing anticipation to build and they get disappointed. The same thing probably occurs with soap opera viewers. With so much pre-release hype, TV or Movies or a lot of entertainment *, we can complain before we see it and like loons afterwards. It is that marketing crap plus waiting plus giving it just that much thought that dooms so many from just 'turning it off' and 'enjoying the ride'. The Web does make it much easier to vent that frustration though. That may or may not be good. It certainly isn't great. It definitely is predicatable though, isn't it? *(perhaps excluding music because we may be willing to be surprised as our tastes change ever-so subtly while we grow older)
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The first half of this season was really tough to watch, even as a huge fan of the show, but they've really turned it up a few notches in the last few! Fringe is surely going out with a bang rather than a wimper! I'm wondering what will become of Broyles, and will we get to see Lincoln Lee again?
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Nina's exit was fantastic. The "I have to go" moment ... that lady can act her ass off when she needs to. And the whole head-tilting lizard speech to Windmark was fantastic. Nina also reminds me of my mum, which made it all the more upsetting and awesome at once. I am going to miss this show like crazy. I hope that, as the last episode is apparently longer than normal - two hours I think? - they'll have time to give each of the main cast members a good send off, whatever it may be. My money is still on the plan failing but the Fringe team somehow winning anyway after some major sacrifices... despite the fact we still don't know what success what be in this scenario. Maybe it really will be a huge reset, and the writers will have a killer callback to season one or two. Or the last scene might be young Peter floating down to the bottom of the lake and no September to save them. I'm still curious why they haven't used any of the original Observer actors from the previous four seasons. Is there a possibility there are more than one set of Observers, as there is more than one universe? Despite the Observers being aware of multiple universes.
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... if they really go the reset route, I think a more disturbing, yet totally Fringe ending would be the last scene being with Walter back in the mental institution from season one, never released but somehow with the memories of seasons 1 to 5, and therefore condemned to crazy town forever as no one would possibly believe his story. Even if Peter is still saved, grows up, etc, but the Fringe story never happens.
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Dec. 23, 2012, 1:37 a.m. CST
Frankly I have no idea what show you guys are talking about, because for me Fringe this season has been awesome!
by Paul
I love the villain and feels he's very scary, I love the story, sure theres leaps in logic, but then thats the way that most of the shows like this are. The acting is superb like always and theres tons of nods and winks to previous seasons/episodes. I'm just loving this season and feel that they are totally hitting it out of the park! I'm sad to see it go, but am so glad that it wrapping things up so well.
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Dec. 23, 2012, 1:55 a.m. CST
I'm pretty sure that we will see Nina and Lincoln Lee in the finale
by Paul
Because about a month ago they had a 100th episode cast party right before shooting the finale and both actors were in the pictures.
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Hell no. I hate those types of dream endings. "it never really happened" with a bit of a wink at the camera. Fuck that.
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Dec. 23, 2012, 5:30 a.m. CST
shit, that's right!! Lincoln Lee!!! I've been wondering about that for months, not like I ever super loved him or naything, I always dug Josh Jaskson plentty more, but would we see Lincoln agagin at all
by TheSeeker7
also, and I hate to admit this but... has old Broyles been killed yet this season. I can't even remember!
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Dec. 23, 2012, 7:19 a.m. CST
Poor Pa, even with Fringe as the only TV event Herc wouldn't call it a Fringeback... or so...
by wtriker1701
No, it's Mayan Apocalypse TV Talkback. I know there's an inside joke in there, Herc. Along the lines of *Even if this is THE LAST TV TALKBACK EVER there's no chance calling it Fringeback! Sorry, paburrows!* It's funny, though. Even funnier, that I'm still able to write or think anything... Seems, like I missed another Doomsday--- I must look like an idiot now...
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That's why I'm still here... Paul, Rebel and theseeker7 and The Others might now want to slap me.. ;-)
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What happened to his Friday's TB joining? Not banned... again? Are you? @All of you: Have A Merry X-Mas! Be with your families, make the best of these times. Might be, that another End Of The World scenario might be lurking somewhere. In either case... we'll talk about the Fringe Finale very soon! I'm excited - and I love this season. Despite plotholes!
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Is still alive he just hasn't had much to do this season. Isn't Lincoln in the other universe? I'm sure he'll pop up somewhere. Widmark is pretty creepy because he never gets angry to me that's creepy. I would be real disappointed if the end was a dream or something like that. I have faith that the writers won't do something like that. It's really a cheap way to end a series.
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Dec. 23, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST
Broyles is a cool character but even in seasons 1-4 they often didn't have much for him to do
by Rebel Scumb
He's one of those characters like Nina who might be absent for several episodes, but always shines when they appear, and the show wouldn't be the same without them.
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Dec. 23, 2012, 9 a.m. CST
well in the preview for the next ep, you see Olivia comig right out and ftatly saying (to someone) "The Plan's going to reboot all of time?"
by TheSeeker7
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well played, sir.
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Anyone in the NYC Manhattan area is welcome to attend the Fringe Finale party/viewing at: Stone Creek from 6-11PM Friday January 18th We'll have drink specials and be viewing "The Arrival," "Liberty" & "An Enemy of Fate." I was also wondering about the Red universe. Did the Observers invade that universe too? Some of my fav eps involved watching the little differences btwn them and seeing our known characters Alt sides. I doubt it, but both universes working together vs the Observers would have been cool to see.
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Still got your shop/restaurant on my favourite Google Maps pinned. Though a truck prohibits a good sight... If I'll make it out from Platjenwerbe, Germany - I'll surely visit your's with my wife. I still think fondly of our old LOST times.
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I was taken back most by the revisting of Donald/September's directive that the "the boy is important." This leads me to my theory: I think the other twist to come is that the Observer Boy is actually the Peter child that died but was then somehow transformed into an observer. That may explain why Peter has been the only one to have the ability to interact with Oberserver tech such as the Machine and the brain implant. Either that or it was the Obersver Boy all along that was important, and not Peter at all. I wouldn't compare Windmark to a President, but more like Agent Smith.
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Dec. 23, 2012, 12:17 p.m. CST
Re: People Complaining that Windmark did not just teleport to the lab...
by David Hinson
He know that they have guns that can kill him. He also doesnt know whether or not Peter still has tech. He went with his human security team because hes not immortal. The show doesnt need to hold your hand to explain things. It expects you to think on your own.
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Was that an actual Python bit or created for the show? If it is original it sure looks like Terry Gilliams work to me. Oh yeah, that Nina/Widmark scene was defintely an homage to True Romance
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I understand there's a lot to put in this final run, but keeping everybody in the dark about "The Plan" is old. Other than the "time reset" from the preview they've given us nothing and keep talking about it. If they're going the reset route, I'm thinking it's going to involve the machine. Which is cool, but it sure would be nice to have some anticipation rather than "hey, here it is. OK, we're done."
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Nina's death was a somber event that made this fight much more important
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better it does and goes out on a high note rather than jump the shark like so many others (24, Xfiles, Millenium) that were great shows and went to shit.
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An LA studio, in two week's time. http://www.cartoonbrew.com/tv/terry-gilliam-tribute-on-fringe-74996.html It is a pretty sweet thing.
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All head tilting analysis but incapable of feeling any of the emotional elements if the show. Sad hating, stunted. You miss out on the joy of the journey because you're worried about the price of gas. To quote Triumph, "Spoiler alert: You will die alone."
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Looks like there are 2 suns behind Windmark with a swirling effect. Is there possibly a blackhole behind him that we can't see? Will it somehow clean up the timeline? All good stuff. I imagine the artwork is always meaningful, given the glyphs and all.
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