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Nordling Says ZERO DARK THIRTY Is Brilliant, Important Cinema!

Nordling here.
ZERO DARK THIRTY doesn't open with the provocative imagery of 9/11, but simply the sounds of that fateful day. We hear frantic phone calls to emergency hotlines, as people inside the buildings become slowly aware of their fate. As the calls resonate in our minds, we see CIA operative Dan (Jason Clarke) interrogating a prisoner on the location of Osama Bin Laden as another agent, Maya (Jessica Chastain) watches. Dan brutalizes the prisoner in every possible way - through sleep deprivation, waterboarding, stripping him down naked, pressure points, the whole smash. And he still will not talk. He still will not break.
It isn't until a terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia that Maya gets the idea to question the prisoner about a possible name for a courier to Bin Laden. Sleep deprived, through simple misdirection and a police-style questioning straight out of LAW AND ORDER, the prisoner gives up a name - Abu Ahmed. And through that name, a pathway is opened up to Maya to the possible location of Osama Bin Laden. This all, of course, ends with the SEAL incursion to the compound outside of Abbotabad, and the killing of one of the most notorious criminals in American history.
I have no way of knowing how accurate ZERO DARK THIRTY is, even after all the news reports on the film and all the political fallout, but director Kathryn Bigelow and screenwriter Mark Boal certainly make the movie feel as real as possible. The verisimilitude of the movie is astounding - so much so that perhaps too many are trying to crack the movie instead of simply appreciating the work that Bigelow and Boal have done. This is Bigelow's ZODIAC - a story of an obsession so strong that it threatens to wipe out reason and sanity. Maya simply will not stop until Osama Bin Laden is captured or dead. And why? The movie wisely does not answer that - there are no moments of character exposition that explains her motivation. Did she know someone at the World Trade Center? Or the Pentagon? Instead of choosing the simple cliched route, Bigelow and Boal make Maya our center and our guide into this world, even though Jessica Chastain never lets us into the inner workings of Maya. We only see her through her work.
ZERO DARK THIRTY makes no judgments. It has no agendas (no matter how much its detractors would like to prove otherwise). It simply is. It is unflinching in its portrayal of torture, trusting the audience to bring their own morality to it. The movie doesn't have to point out to anyone that tourture is a heinous, terrible thing, and there are no soul-searching moments among the agents who perform it. And yet, ZERO DARK THIRTY also makes clear that the information that is gathered isn't through torture at all, although it can be argued that interrogating a prisoner experiencing sleep deprivation crosses a moral line. But the film leaves it to the audience to come to their own conclusions.
Some might come away from the movie thinking that torture helped get the information necessary to find Bin Laden, but the film never explicitly says that at all. For a few days afterwards, I thought it had, until I began thinking on it more. Torture happened, ZERO DARK THIRTY says, and whether or not you agree with our actions during that time, the film makes sure we understand the devastation to everyone involved in these acts. The film does not advocate, it simply shows, and it also shows that the real information didn't start coming in until the torture stopped. Whether or not the torture worked isn't simply handed down to the audience. ZERO DARK THIRTY does something terrifying instead - it forces us to our own conclusions. That's what great journalism does.
Jessica Chastain deserves all the accolades and more for her portrayal of Maya. Maya is singular in purpose, even as she experiences acts of terrorism first-hand, and loses friends along the way. Chastain gives Maya an exterior of toughness and complexity - while her motivations are clear, we aren't given simple explanations of who she is. Chastain puts it all in her performance, and she disappears in the role. Jason Clarke is also excellent as the CIA interrogator who over the years comes to realize the futility of his actions, and it's not done in a typical manner. Dan isn't given that Oscar moment where he breaks down and cries - these are men and women doing their jobs, and while their actions take their toll, the cast puts it in their eyes and not in histrionics. Mark Strong, Jennifer Ehle, and Kyle Chandler are all terrific.
Because of the movie's refusal to go the Hollywood route, at times ZERO DARK THIRTY can feel emotionally dry to audiences used to more cathartic cinema. But the wheels are always turning - this is one of the most intelligent pieces of cinema to come out of the studio system in many years. It trusts the audience to keep up, and when the victories come, we feel them along with the characters because we understand the losses and risks it took to get there. ZERO DARK THIRTY is as immersive as they come, throwing us into an unfamiliar world where good and evil are children's ideals and the truth is somewhere in between.
The final half-hour, with the SEAL Team raid on the Abbotabad compound, is as riveting as action cinema gets. It's shot in such a manner that we feel a part of the events, but it's not mere shakycam and first person point-of-view shots. There are no cliched standoffs here, no moments of cinematic pause. ZERO DARK THIRTY is smart, brave, captivating cinema. The film forces us as an audience to come up with our own ideas. As the events of the past 11 years have changed us as a nation, this film takes into account that there are no easy answers. It's rare that a film lays it all out there like this and has us pick up the pieces. This is what happened, ZERO DARK THIRTY says, and what we do with it is on us. It is urgent filmmaking, and Kathryn Bigelow has made a film that is not only important, but a cinematic miracle - ZERO DARK THIRTY assumes that we're all smart enough to take the journey. One of the best films of the year, without a doubt.
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Osama Bin Laden was responsible for the World Trade Center bombings.
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Did they go the Lincoln route and avoid it?
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Dec. 18, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST
how long before this thread is derailed by conspiracy theorists nutjobs?
by hank henshaw
Don't get me wrong, I love conspiracy theories, they are a whole lot of fun, as long as you take them as speculative fiction. The moment you really start believing that man never made it to the moon, or that there is a fallen UFO in Groom Lake, you are in trouble.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST
Has anyone else seen this for about a month now?
by BIG_BAD_WOLF_IN_CAPS
In all seriousness, Zero and Django are the two movies I'm most looking forward to this season.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST
Nordling - Thanks for the review; definitely looking forward to seeing this.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
I've found the commentary regarding the "pro- torture" argument to be of particular interest. I just hope that the low information viewers will be compelled to learn more about the subject matter.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST
Risky choice to have Ricky Gervais portray Osama bin Laden
by Fart Vader
But I must admit he was very good as Gandalph in Hobbit.
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She was great in TAKE SHELTER. And after seeing that scene in LAWLESS (you know the one I'm talking about)... ...damn! My eyes have seen the glory!
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Dec. 18, 2012, 9:34 p.m. CST
Hey, people said the exact same things about Hurt Locker. I guess Bigelow is just going to keep making the same movie over and over again.
by Mr. Moe
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Let's face it, Democrats and liberals will desperately try to deny the role of enhanced interrogation in getting Bin Laden. They are lying to themselves. Boal and Bigelow have crafted an honest, truthful film. Let the politically correct liberals howl in protest. Of course, if it were up to them, America would be weak and prostrate in the name of political correctness throughout the world.
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I'm sure that they'll be here in a matter of minutes and they'll be running off the Alex Jones/Infowars talking points. (Yeah, you should hear some of the shit that paranoid nutter has been saying about the school shooting. Fucking hell.)
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Will I still get any enjoyment out of it if I didn't seen Zero Darks 1 through 29?
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Dec. 18, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST
THIS ISN'T JOURNALISM THOUGH, to use your word. That's a pretty ridiculous reason to let it off the hook.
by golden tribw
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Dec. 18, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST
Also, THE HURT LOCKER was about a 4 out of 10. Did not deserve any nominations let alone awards. As Best Picture it is rubbish.
by golden tribw
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And that he was only crying because Harry cut the cheese.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 9:50 p.m. CST
This film is called ZERO DARK THIRTY and after you see it, you’ll know the name and what it stands for.
by The_Cellarrat
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Dec. 18, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST
So basically it's a film designed to let idiots think whatever idiotic thing they want to think.
by Charlie
The problem with this whole, present it and let people make up their own mind is that at the end of the day there's no truth to it. There can't be. This idea that different opinions on facts and events are equally valid is bullshit. If it's a film about historical events and yet it seems as if different people can walk away with their different probably pre held beliefs not challenged and most likely reaffirmed. It means it's just stuff happening. Any truth or meaning behind what's going on has to be excised to allow this. When stuff in the film has definitive answers and reasons, which are removed. Through doing this, and allowing people to make up their own minds means important information is left out and essentially the film is then a lie through these deliberate choices. As by it's design it can allow and is assisting people coming to the wrong conclusions on the reality of what happened. It becomes as shallow and meaningless as most peoples knowledge or care about the last decade of wars. Maybe it's to make some grand point, but ultimately it really makes it pointless. It's exactly what cinema on such things should not be about. As it doesn't aim to challenge or really inform. It's just mindless spectacle with the subject matter creating it's importance, not what the film ultimate does.
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Didn't any of you brainwashed sheeple ever let it sink into your thick heads that OSAMA BIN LADEN died from kidney failure back in late 2001? No, you didn't. Why didn't it sink in? Because Bush wanted you to believe that the CIA created force called al-CIA-duh was behind it so he could push through the Patriot Act and start the downward spiral of your freedoms down the toilet. First it was the TSA that hand fvcks you and your kids at the airport. Now we have all of these false flag mass casualty shootings by patsies controlled by devil's breath, psych pharmaceuticals, and MK-Ultra programming. Now the politicians are calling for strict gun laws, like Chicago, so people don't have a way to defend themselves and have to rely on the 15-30 minute wait for the authorities to arrive. Wake up sheeple, the next civil war is about to begin because they want to take away your tyranny prevention tools (guns). You've heard it here first. _KNEEL_ before the FED and you will suffer. Wake the Fvck Up!
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Some might come away from the movie thinking that torture helped get the information necessary to find Bin Laden, but the film never explicitly says that at all. For a few days afterwards, I thought it had, until I began thinking on it more.
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If so, I'm staying away from this one.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST
And to finish my post (no thanks to the AICN Quote Monster!!!)...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
...that's exactly the issue that's going to cause confused and misinformed assumptions amongst the more lazy, low information viewers. The fact that you may have to give considerable thought to the way events are portrayed in the film is what will allow partisan viewers, like Statue1, to keep perpetuating the "torture got Bin Laden" lie.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST
My ears perked up with the reference to Zodiac, one of the great movies of the last decade and Fincher's best IMO
by broderick crawford
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...we witness the arrival of z0d.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST
But not sure how objective the film is with it starting with 9/11 audio, that sounds non-objective for American audiences
by broderick crawford
Not that it's bad to have an emotional reaction to audio from that day, but I really wonder how "journalistic" this movie can be.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST
lets see here undersecretary leaked info to director for film not very smart
by Creative
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Dec. 18, 2012, 10:23 p.m. CST
I thought Hurt Locker was good, though it didn't really stick with me very much. The tone of it did, but I wouldn't say it was a great war film.
by broderick crawford
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Dec. 18, 2012, 10:23 p.m. CST
torture scenes showing that america complety doesnt care for the geneva treaty even more dumb
by Creative
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Dec. 18, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST
the fact we are giving away top secret tactics fucking deploarable
by Creative
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Dec. 18, 2012, 10:25 p.m. CST
everyone should know the.sectreatry. of defense is introuble for tge leaked info used in this film
by Creative
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Dec. 18, 2012, 10:26 p.m. CST
anyone who this.is ok is wrong and doesnt desserve to be.in america
by Creative
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Dec. 18, 2012, 10:27 p.m. CST
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/12/17/177676/bin-laden-leak-is-referred-to.html
by Creative
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Dec. 18, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST
Killer_Instinct - Are you capable of writing in paragraph form?
by Mr. Nice Gaius
A single focused post would do.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST
I really want to see this, but appearently it's only showing on 5 screens in NY and LA until 1/13/13? How the hell do they get away with being nominated for 2012 Oscars like that?
by zillabeast
I know the particulars of the rule, but it's bullshit.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 11:02 p.m. CST
Definitive proof that Bin Laden was killed by Seal Team Six...
by DickBallsworth
...exists only in the "official word" of our government. There is no quantifiable evidence that supports this. FACT.
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FACT.
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At a time when 90% of films that come out now are remakes, sequels or prequels, I'll definitely be geared for this one.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 11:18 p.m. CST
It's a Kathryn Bigelow movie. Therefore it will suck ass,
by Paul Hanlin Jr
and get many undeserved awards just like in 2009.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 11:29 p.m. CST
Will this be the first "war on terror" movie that actually makes money?
by Nasty In The Pasty
Because 9/11 movies have been box office POISON for the last six or seven years. Remember In The Valley Of Elah? Stop/Loss? Rendition? Yeah, me neither. I'm sure Zero Dark Thirty will be a great film, but it'll probably make peanuts, unless the whole "we actually get to see Bin Laden getting killed" thing gets butts in seats.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 11:34 p.m. CST
Bin Laden supposedly died 18 months ago. Who is arrogant or naive enough to already make a feature film about this...
by 77AD
Oh, Kathryn Bigelow. Give 'em a gold statue and they think they can do anything.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 11:38 p.m. CST
"zero dark thirty makes no judgements" seriously? So this is just one of those "a day in the life" films.
by 77AD
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A raid in another country? The person that helped us is in jail for life in Pakistan? No capture? No trial? Nothing to see here, move along, Obama saved us. Its amazing how much becomes a non-issue to progressives when their the ones in the hot seat. It wasn't even 4 years ago that 9/11 was still considered an inside job by most of these talkbackers.
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I have seen a few articles today that claim that the movie is pretty far off from the facts on many things it depicts. This disappoints me as I thought they were trying to give an accurate depiction. I'll have to check more into it, but I hope they're not taking too many Hollywood liberties with this true story.
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If the film wouldn't have been eligible for the Oscars with so few screens showing it before the end of the year, then it would have been released in more screens. This is a deliberate strategy by the studio.
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...and fuck the conspiracy nutjobs.
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He had hippos. And a game room meng
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Apparently it's not just Democrats that are against torture: http://news.yahoo.com/mccain-rejects-torture-scene-zero-dark-thirty-000432865.html
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...to read several commentators note that the film suggests that information vital to the capture of Bin laden was obtained through torture, whereas (apparently) this was not true; it came through other channels. This would be a pretty disturbing switch to make if the criticism is accurate.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 1:06 a.m. CST
Oh. Now it looks like I didn't read the article before posting, or something
by Keith
Which would be a harsh but fair accusation.
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Disagreement with the governments official story = conspiracy theory. People that legitimately dispute the official account of 9/11 and what led up to it are held in the same regard as people that claim "aliens did it" and it sucks that that happens.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 2:13 a.m. CST
*In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act* - Orwell
by justmyluck
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Are just another form of Fiction sold to audiences. You think it matters that its 9/11? The guys that make these stories professionally can take any major incident and turn it into a conspiracy and fold that into a book that they sell. I don't think it'll be too long before we 'find out' that Adam Lanza 'wasn't alone' and that another killer is really 'at large' and the government is 'too inept' to stop it. For a lot of people, this type of BS substitutes for grief counseling.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 2:25 a.m. CST
The *form of Fiction sold to audiences* was UBL co-ordinating 9/11 from a cave.
by justmyluck
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Dec. 19, 2012, 2:36 a.m. CST
I still don't understand why this film is important...
by Righteous Brother
Now a film that helped the west understand the middle east and vice versa - and helped end the animosity between them, would be important.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 2:47 a.m. CST
Now I want a movie about how Osama and co. planned the World Trade Center attack on 9/11, the months leading up to it. That should be just as rivetting as this film, right?
by Freshly Dude
Now I want a movie about how Osama and co. planned the World Trade Center attack on 9/11, the months leading up to it. That should be just as rivetting as this film, right? The review should read something like - "The final half-hour, with the planes heading towards the World Trade Center towers, is as riveting as action cinema gets. It's shot in such a manner that we feel a part of the events, but it's not mere shakycam and first person point-of-view shots. There are no cliched standoffs here, no moments of cinematic pause."
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Dec. 19, 2012, 2:55 a.m. CST
Important Cinema? For whom did they make the movie? The guy with the gun, next door?
by Nobody26
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/14/zero-dark-thirty-cia-propaganda
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Dec. 19, 2012, 3:17 a.m. CST
I BELIEVE BIN LADEN WAS DEAD FOR YEARS AND THE USA ONLY PRETENDED TO KILL HIM BECAUSE HE'S NO LONGER AN EFFECTIVE TOOL TO SCARE AMERICANS!!!FACT!!! FACE IT, MOST AMERICAN'S ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE ECONOMY, LOSING THEIR JOB/HOME THAN SOME CAVE DWELLING FUCKS
by creepythinmanrises
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Dec. 19, 2012, 3:19 a.m. CST
OH AND ALTHOUGH I DON'T BELIEVE BUSHCO. PLANNED 9/11, I DO BELIEVE THEY KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND LET IT!!!FACT!!! I KNOW SOME OF YOU CAN'T BELIEVE THAT YOUR GOVERNMENT WOULD ALLOW....
by creepythinmanrises
3000 Americans to be killed but think about the 5000+ soldiers that have been killed based on a war that those same people knew to be false.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 3:24 a.m. CST
It's time for America to accept that UBL was *the boogeyman of distraction*, the same *Reel Bad Arab* Hollywood has pumped into the public consciousness for decades.
by justmyluck
http://amzn.to/U80CAZ
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Dec. 19, 2012, 3:47 a.m. CST
aand why didn't they just capture him and put him on trial anyway?
by Righteous Brother
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but her last movies sucked, facts! . And yes, that includes Hurt Lockers. How can this piece of crap won an Oscar anyway?
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Dec. 19, 2012, 4:31 a.m. CST
us government history of lies, i am supposed to believe now?
by Hugh Gustavus
if your wife keeps lying to you on big issues, do u put up with it and just go along?
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Dec. 19, 2012, 5:50 a.m. CST
People who tell stories for a living vs people who tell lies for a living.
by UltimaRex
If it's a good movie I'll watch it. But I don't expect the truth. From anyone.
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Because this is the point where movie narrative will supplant the dubious reality of this story. Bigelow makes propaganda films - only in a country as right wing as the US could The Hurt Locker be described as politically neutral.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 6:12 a.m. CST
It also shows that the real information didn't start coming in until the torture stopped.
by DonnyUnitas
Yes, that is the point of these coercive methods. They either work while they're employed, or they work after-the-fact.
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because that would make it a soft 60% as to whether or not this movie is worth seeing.
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Nordling says: Some might come away from the movie thinking that torture helped get the information necessary to find Bin Laden, but the film never explicitly says that at all. For a few days afterwards, I thought it had, until I began thinking on it more. The Guardian says: Another detainee, after being threatened with rendition to Israel, pleads: "I have no wish to be tortured again - ask me a question, and I will answer it." Hmm....
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A movie to demonstrate it. The Bin Laden raid has just been hashed and rehashed as of late... books... tv... etc. I wouldn't be surprised if Zero Dark Thirty bombs. I'm actually more excited to see Les Miserables... and that says a lot. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57422476/ex-cia-chief-defends-waterboarding-of-al-qaeda-leader/ I believe there is a new report being hodgepodged together about EITs... but it lacks any veracity... no one cooperated on it.
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a movie about Team America killing the Bogeyman scapegoat that their government had presented to the sheeple (after the first Bogeyman scapegoat had turned out to have no WMDs, oops, sorry about that war, guys! but at least now we got your oil and some nice construction projects), is just something i will choose not to watch, because i'd rather spend my time in a traffic jam, or in the dentist's waiting room, or at church...
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I'm seen ZDT, and this review is spot on, though I think there should have been a spoiler warning on the "misdirection" scene. It's a great moment in the film, and a shame to reveal in advance. But some of the comments in this talkback... jesus. I mean, this film really is the most even-handed and non-judgmental treatment of the subject matter I can imagine. But of course any mention of OBL and 9/11 and suddenly we're swarming with truthers, right-wing zealots and torture apologists, all pushing their deluded worldview. It's a great film. And the reason it's great is because it REFUSES TO PUSH A POLITICAL AGENDA.
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if the film "REFUSES TO PUSH A POLITICAL AGENDA", then what's the film's purpose? just to make entertainment out of a real event?
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ZombinLaden back from the dead!
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Dec. 19, 2012, 8:32 a.m. CST
There's a funny picture out there, purportedly of Bin Laden but that's highly debatable, sitting on the floor in a little room watching a small TV with a remote in his hand.
by Pat
If the killing of Bin Laden actually went down as the official story goes, this is the scene I imagine. He's just sitting there, watching Price is Right on VHS tapes he was able to secure, just thinking about stuff and watching Plinko when all of a sudden the door busts in. *BLAM* Bin Laden's brains are then splattered all over the tv as the yodelling mountain climber song plays in the background. Code Octave...we got him. Yodel-0-yodel-0-Yodel-0-he-ho...
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Dec. 19, 2012, 8:38 a.m. CST
You could replace Price is Right with Whitney Houston videos since he was such a big fan. How Would I Know would be apropos.
by Pat
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Dec. 19, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST
Well if the government said it it must be true. Now if you'll excuse me the local priest has offered to take my young boys off my hands for the day..
by UltraTron
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Dec. 19, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST
Ok I'm back. Now that my kids are safely in the hands of that strange priest I know nothing about we can discuss. Now where was I? Oh yes I remember now. I was
by UltraTron
just about to feltch a greasy shit-quot out of one my leader's assoles and slurp it down like an oyster. I find this practice allows me to accept whatever any authority figure says to me without reservation.
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when I realized the Bush administration was taking it for truths and wanted to Bauer-up the CIA. Sad when fiction drives reality
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2250218/Angel-Ashley-Dobbs-suing-Texas-troopers-shocking-BODY-CAVITY-search-caught-tape.html Enjoy!
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Dec. 19, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST
No thanks, I was burned once already with the truly awful Hurt Locker.
by kevred
That was an "important" film, too. It showed that even outrageously melodramatic and technically poor films could win Best Picture if they pandered hard enough to a sacred topic. It was trash, like an overlong episode of CSI:Miami, and I won't get fooled again here.
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Well, not so much "entertainment" - but certainly gripping drama. I guess you could say was certainly entertained to a degree, but then again that's true with most great movies - even ones covering very serious subjects. What it doesn't do is overtly condone or condemn the use of torture. It certainly doesn't glamorize it, by making the people doing it look like heroes, or the people suffering it as villians. Like real life, it's just a wash of gray shades. Just about the only thing the movie makes quite clear is that OBL was a very bad man and 9/11 justified killing him. So perhaps it's not TOTALLY without agenda or political comments, but it's hard to disagree with that particular sentiment.
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It was Fu Manchu all the time.
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would you like to guess who is? I find it hard to hear that this movie doesn't have an agenda when its about killing the "evil" Osama Bin Laden. The one thing I do know about Osama, is that he wanted revenge against the U.S. government for the killing of innocents. Is that evil? And I also know that he denied any connection to 9/11. I actually believe him over the real evil that is the Christian Conservative U.S. government. And they threw his remains in the ocean? What the fuck? That's like saying Indiana Jones decided to disassemble the ark and toss each part in the ocean on the way to bringing it back to the States. Fucking bullshit.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST
Whats with the Hurt Locker hate? I thought it was one of the best anti-war movies of all time. The ending was sooooo great.
by MariusXe
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Dec. 19, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST
"Zero Dark Thirty" sounds like the name of a no-fat, dark chocolate, 30 carb candy bar.
by jawsfan
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Dec. 19, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST
Make that a zero-calorie, dark chocolate, 30 grams of carbohydrates candy bar.
by jawsfan
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Dec. 19, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST
Hurt* Locker, though Hunt Locker would be a good euphemism for Gun Safe
by broderick crawford
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Someone please explain what this is from ... .... "and after you see it, you’ll know the name and what it stands for." Its getting on my nerves.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST
From the way people interpreted the ending of TDKR and Inception
by knowthyself
It's been proven that leaving audiences to think what they want is a very dangerous thing.
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Esp with that ending.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST
Ah, the fresh scent of conspiracy whackos in the morning. Please, give us some Youtube links to your indisputable evidence!
by kidicarus
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Dec. 19, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST
Ten years frim now a film will extol the US herosm at Bengazi.
by Smerdyakov
Now how they broke in and snuffed our Ambassador.
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Read Harry's Reacher review...
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Conspiracy theorists, militant Christians, or militant vegetarians.
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That quote is from Harry's abortion of a "review" for Jack Reacher.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST
When ANY critic says a movie is "important", that's when I vow to never see it.
by Royston Lodge
I seek out critics to tell me what a movie's about and if it's competently made, not to tell me what I'm supposed to think about a movie's 'importance'.
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It took place during a War, but the entire movie is an examination of leadership philosophies in dire circumstances, more specifically as it pertains to bomb disposal. It was an absolutely brilliant deconstruction of the different ways people handle it. You have By-The-Book.. the dude who follows every single rule and every single step to the letter. And he gets his ass blown up at the start of the film. Then you have Seat-Of-His-Pants Guy. Also highly knowledgable, and simply does what it takes to negate the threat in as quick a time as possible. He knows he's fucked from the word go, and the quicker he can unfuck himself, the better.. rules be damned. The entire film is a compare/contrast of those philsophies. The black dude is the stand-in for Perfectionist Guy who is sure this new guy is going to get him killed. And Seat-Of-His-Pants Guy always lives to see another day. One of the things that struck me is this same dichotomy plays itself out in MMORPG's. You have raid leaders that must ensure that every single duck is in a row before attacking, and those that go when enough force has been marshalled to kill it and trust in their people to get it done.. regardless of if its on the fly. The latter tends to actually be far more successful than the former and usually comprises the philosophy of a lot of the higher-end guilds.. while people with weak players tend to adhere to the former.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST
wow what happened to watching a movie just for the popcorn fun?
by millermeusa
by the way, Emporer Palpatine did not really die in Return of the Jedi, the way it's depicted. He was choked to death at Skywalker Ranch before the film came out. A patsy was chosen to fool us all
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One of the things that struck me is this same dichotomy plays itself out in MMORPG's. You have raid leaders that must ensure that every single duck is in a row before attacking, and those that go when enough force has been marshalled to kill it and trust in their people to get it done.. regardless of if its on the fly
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my last post cut off the last line... LEEEEEROOYYYYY JENNNKINNNNNS!
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The liberties taken with this Hollywood version of events has already got many people confusing a movie with real history. I'm seeing people making claims on here as if they really happened, but they are opposite of the information we do know about what really happened. People can't seem to get it through their heads that this is a Hollywood movie, not a documentary.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 8:45 p.m. CST
Know what other movie is brilliant and important? The Naked Gun.
by Kyle
#Fuckzerodark30
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Dec. 19, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST
@elsachmo if people didn't get confused by things, propaganda wouldn't exist.
by Charlie
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Dec. 19, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST
Why is this movie coming out, Obama already won the election?
by Naruto_Uzimaki
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Dec. 19, 2012, 11:12 p.m. CST
IVE BEEN WATCHING ZERO DARK THIRTY FOR ABOUT A MONTH NOW
by PRESIDENT BALTAR
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nutty fuckers
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...is just slang for "early morning" in military slang. Example: I left my graveyard shift at zero dark thirty in order to get in line for "The Hobbit."
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Some use zero dark thirty to mean "early morning"... or anytime between "12am and dawn" or it could precisely mean half past midnight. It depends on context.
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She looks a spry 40 something and she's pushing 60! And a damn good director to booth. And all those who complained that can't understand why The Hurt Locker deserved an oscar above Avatar, you really need to start watching more movies out of your confort zone. It's one thing to be a SF fan (i'm one myself sinc ei can remember), it's another to be so limited in the scope of your film interests. And if this movie is half as good as the AICN reviews imply, she should get another one just for the fact she went a non-melodramatic route. With so many pulling the melodrama bullshit buttom to try to engage audiences, it's a relieve to know there's a filmmaker out there that instead just use good honest storytelling for that effect. For that alone she deserves praise. And as importantly, that she made an efrot to make a smart movie that demands intelligence and attention from the audience. More should do the same. Also, Jessica Chastain!
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Actually there is and it's what seperates some from total savage carnage.
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Let me see the holes in your hands and feet and I will believe!
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Dec. 20, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST
Its not fucking realistic at all, read a book or watch a doc
by Nabster
They did not get information on the courier through torture, it was given to them by the Pakistani military. Zero Dark Thirty might be the best movie of the year, but people need to stop claiming its realistic or worse, saying it's 'journalism'. Its entertainment, and propaganda, and thats cool.
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Dec. 20, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST
flickapoo, 'And a damn good director to booth.' Yeah, it's him!
by SergeantStedenko
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Dec. 20, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST
ZERO DARK THIRTY does something terrifying instead - it forces us to our own conclusions. That's what great journalism does.
by ironburl
Psst... this is fiction...
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Dec. 20, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST
As much as I am skeptical of conspiracy theories, it was pretty suspicious and convenient that they buried the body out to sea.
by SergeantStedenko
Just sayin'.
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Dec. 20, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST
interrogating a prisoner experiencing sleep deprivation crosses a moral line.
by DoctorWho?
LOL!
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Dec. 20, 2012, 2 p.m. CST
it forces us to our own conclusions. That's what great journalism does.
by DoctorWho?
...ah, journalism. Model T's. Rotary phones. 8-tracks. Twinkies.
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Dec. 20, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST
So, Luke Skywalker is going to establish a Jedi Academy on Yavin 4 in SW EP VII, eh? Interesting...
by AzulTool
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"The one thing I do know about Osama, is that he wanted revenge against the U.S. government for the killing of innocents." "Is that evil?"<p> Perhaps. Perhaps not. But his megalomaniacal declaration to convert the world to his religion by force and establish a new caliphate upon the earth puts him in the ballpark wouldn't you say?<p> Douche bag.
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Dec. 20, 2012, 2:27 p.m. CST
BTW: Reuters has since retracted the SW EP VII rumor that they started.
by AzulTool
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Believe it, it's me. And how's your lovely wine seller wife? Hope the busness is still going strong. You been selling portuguese wines again? This and last year we got a very good production, both in quantity and quality. I hope you can get to taste some of the gool ol' vinho again.
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I misussed the word "booth" again, didn't I? Will i ever learn?
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I'm just glad your back to fight the good fight. We are going to need you in the months ahead as we near the release of JarJar Abram's NuTrek 2?
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I'll definitely catch this!
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