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The New STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS Teaser Trailer Has Docked!!
The Kidd here...
As it turns out, that STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS trailer you caught a little more than a week ago was just the announcement trailer for the film (as if we geeks around here didn't know it was coming already). That leaves open the window of opportunity today for Paramount to give you a bit of a different look (clocking in at just under 2 minutes) at J.J. Abrams' film with a new teaser trailer, following those 9 minutes some of you managed to take in over the weekend in front of THE HOBBIT.
I've been looking forward to this one since the end credits for STAR TREK started rolling three years ago. How're you liking/disliking what you're seeing so far?
-Billy Donnelly
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST
Let the debate commence on whether ppl should like this flick or not ... that or the enterprise coming out of water
by Judge Briggs
I, for one, can't wait for this movie! 2013 is shaping up to be a beast of a movie year for geeks!
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST
Saw this one over the weekend. Much better than the last one
by kidicarus
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Science nerds fuck off.
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...for about a month now.
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Can't wait for this one.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST
how could I leave out LENS FLARES? oh how ppl get so upset about those!
by Judge Briggs
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Could you guys not just post a youtube link to these things? I think it's a bit more universal than quicktime, no?
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I've been reading for about a month now that Cox is gonna have a small, minor role.
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servers must be hit hard.
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Spocks hand on glass, with Benedicts? Some family connection?
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I have to download that shit still? What is this, the 90s? Am I still on dial up here? Oh yeah, can't wait, Kazaa onlys says I have to wait 2 more weeks for my episode of real ghost busters to finish! Yahoooooo! youtube this bitch please....
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I'm all for that.
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"Is there anything you would not do for your family?" I'm starting to wondering if maybe Kahn is in the movie, but not played by Benedict Cumberbatch. Remember when Benicio Del Toro was announced for the movie and the whole internet immediately said "that's gotta be Kahn" and he was quickly unavailable for the movie? I'm wondering if this Harrison character is an Augment that intends to disable the Federation so that he can free Kahn (secretly played by Del Toro) into a world without opposition? I can totally see Abrams creating fake casting news to throw people off the trail...
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The ten minutes of IMAX footage before the hobbit made the movie look awesome! It was by far the best preview I saw all weekend.
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Not this death and destruction horseshit. And right now we fucking NEED to see a positive future for humanity. Abrams has turned ST into The Dark Night Trek. Fuck him.
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Youtube clip right here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9-oT9kzbG8
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST
I'm really not sure. I am concerned it may be overly ponderous, and am a little less enthused than about the last one.
by smudgewhat
I definitely have some concern that the franchise is taking a punt on its exploration of new worlds and strange ideas.
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I was expecting Brian Cox and chocolate covered fussy juice. Neither were found. Perhaps it's because I am not a "huge fan"? xD
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST
Benny Cumberbatch will rocket punch Kirk in the balls like a Jaeger! ~IS it wrong of me to want the bad guy to win for a change!!
by cameron
Movie looks great, wasn't that bothered about seeing this but after seeing Cumberbatch being oh soo eviiiillll it's a slam dunk.
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It doesn't feature anyone with a pot belly who hasn't got a girlfriend It also plays like a TDKR /Avengers in space hybrid. What this movie needs is a little dash of lense flare to get me excited. It would certainly 'energise' the talkback debate
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People will tell you that this is a different reality/mirror universe type of Bullshit, but the fact is that Roddenberry's vision has been pissed on and reimagined for the current generations who have the attention span of a goldfish. That said, I found the first Trek to be entertaining, but it was vastly overrated.
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looks like it is crashing into a bay given it's attitude and forward momentum. Just saying...
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST
Star Trek is about flashy drinks machines and clean toilets Star wars is about dirty ships and folk who wear robes on a night out for the greater good
by migmog
Feel the tremor of my truth!!!
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST
Prometheus is likely closer to Trek's ideals than this
by donkey_lasher
Just sayin'
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Because my Gateway 2000 won't run QuickTime very good.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST
why does everybody jump off cliffs/building/spaceships in the future?
by Eric
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST
As I've said before...not the Trek of my rerun watching childhood...
by conspiracy
but looks like a good time. It's like a ride at Disneyland...just sit back, and don't ask why the cars in CarsLand have doors if there are no people.
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no idea what this means
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If so, I'm not sold.
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"Let the debate commence on whether ppl should like this flick or not ..." Not likely. Why would Parts Per Liter like much of anything?
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST
'Villain in a cage' seems to be the thing to do in movies these days ...
by Judge Briggs
Dark Knight .... Avengers .... Skyfall ....
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Question....in the 23rd Century do they still call it a landing strip; or is it now the Docking Bay. Hmmmm
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exploring strange new worlds. As far as the films go they have always for the most part been action packed. The films that tend to deal with bigger picture elements. (Motion Picture, Final Frontier, Generations, Insurrection) have tended to not work so well on the big screen.
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At some point right? Wtf happened to the epic space battles that were part chess part splosions? I'm excited as hell for this movie, but I just don't see how it's Star Trek if it doesn't actually take place in space for a good majority of the film.
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But it ain't Star Trek...it seems to be dark, gritty and edgy, all the things that are not part of the original Star Trek Universe...IMO! of course this is only based off the trailers we have seen so far.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST
Who's gonna be the 1st cock to bitch about submersible Enterprise.
by peter
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Although starships in water seems rather stupid.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST
drum rolllll and cruizer dave takes the cock award for '1st cock to bitch about a submersible Enterprize'. Well done.
by peter
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST
Again...the Enterprise appears to be CRASHING into San Francisco Bay..
by conspiracy
spray coming up from forward momentum, nose down attitude, wobbling...looks like a crash landing to me. Maybe Anti-Grav failed? Fuck I sound like a nerd...
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Maybe this is old news, but check out this interview. I doubt he's trying to mislead people Abrams-style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RrqfnRoe_k
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Seriously, trailer looks great. I loved Abrams' first one, and am looking forward to this one.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST
Anyone else notice one of our regular bridge crew is now wearing red?
by Rob Hill
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My guess is those visual effects in space are not done yet.
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John = four letters = Gary <p> Harrison = eight letters = Mitchell <p> Q.E.D. hocus pocus mumbo jumbo.
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WWll Airmen called it the Cock-pit!
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And I know what it stands for and that it has huge fans. And by Summer, you will know who "Cumberbatch" is. Or at least stop hypothesizing. xD
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Notice Cumberbatch black shirt uniform. We don't ever see any other crew or starfleet wear just a black top with the starfleet logo. I am calling it - Cumberbatch is from the mirror universe. Events in Star Trek 1 have led to major disruption in the mirror universe and Cumberbatch has crossed over to enact his revenge.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST
How did Kirk get by without a patronizing father figure in TOS
by Margot Tenenbaum
I liked you better when you were a mangled mute, Capt. Pike.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST
GI JOE rushing to add a Clint Eastwood advisory voiceover to compete with STAR TREK and SUPERMAN
by Margot Tenenbaum
And then they'll kill Clint before the opening credits roll
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST
Bad idea to show two different shots of people running and jumping off of something in the same trailer.
by moonlightdrive
Did they run out of ideas? However, looks awesome and it's a much better trailer than the first one. Really looking forward to this now.
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He was on a covert Op and was using an assumed identity, hence the black uniform. Also, there's a shot of Noel Clarke's character, tears running down his face, dropping what looks like a Starfleet Ring (Class ring?) (Some information/microchip inside?) into a glass of water. May be important, may be symbolic. Chekhov in a red shirt is interesting, though. Maybe he's now just head of Security. He was in his later career in the standard timeline. Wonder if he's still Navigator?
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST
My beef with these flicks is the ease with which Kirk was handed command of the Enterprise.
by juice willis
I understand he saved the world and all, but wtf? Based on Commander Pike's statements in this trailer, what kind of outfit is the Federation when they risk resources and lives on inexperienced, albeit heroic, command structures? So stupid. Man, I swear Abrams' style of entertainment tries so hard to come across as intelligent and sophistciated sci-fi, but it's really anything but.
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At 0:56. Khan. Or related.
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so I noticed after listening to the cumberbatch voiceover, he doesn't seem to have the 'english' accent he's known for.
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for being young and impetuous, yet he told him that it takes about 8 years to earn your command in Star Fleet but they still gave Kirk his own ship in his 3rd year and act shocked.
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It looked like at about the 57 second mark. At first I thought it was just a shot of Star Fleet officers in coffins, but wouldn't make more sense if those were Super Men. I don't think Cumberbatch is Kahn, but there's no doubt that he's linked to him. It could be some plot to resurrect him.
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... makes me think Khan more than ever. The exiles were all his family after a fashion.
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Pike was ordered to give Kirk a dressing down. Probably because he keeps fucking up Starfleet's covert ops. The ongoing comics show this explicitly.
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I think the teaser was symmetrical. It did show two shots of folks jumping off of things. It also showed both Kirk and Harrison punching people. It was also split into a "good guys" half and a "bad guys" half. right down the middle. So it was probably done on purpose.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST
Wow, two identical scenes of Kirk, I presume, leaping off high places. What could possiblie go wrong.
by wintocha67
*possibly
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST
Villain in a Cage has been done by Star Trek since the original series
by Kikstad
So I don't know why anyone feels this new movie is ripping off more recent flicks -- if anything those movies have been ripping off Star Trek! :)
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST
juice willis, tertiaryintervention...Agreed, that event is just assinine.
by conspiracy
Are you telling me, when the fleet was destroyed, ALL the experienced officers were killed? I chalk this up to the lack of military knowledge of the creators...VERY FEW officers in any navy ever command a ship...most do their time, then move on to a desk job after their sea experience. The logical thing would have been to bring these guys back from their desks and into Command positions to help rebuild the fleet....the last thing you want is hormone driven 3rd years in charge of things.
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like the last film had a lot of people holding onto ledges - it happened about four times!
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST
(yawns)............(stretches)..........FUCK THIS MOVIE.
by NorthTronic
PERIOD.
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Unless Kirk was an experiment. This timeline's Starfleet is way more open to taking risks. Perhaps there are threats out there (real or perceived) that require making Kirk a captain in his youth to build upon the qualities he's so admirably shown in practice?
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Again, a trailer that emphasizes darkness and despair. If I was juding this only by these short trailers, there is no way I would want to ever see this movie. On the other hand, the IMAX preview showed the Trek movie I wanted to see - light, fun, energetic and idealistic. It's very confusing to me.
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..I never want to hear those four fucking chords in a film score or a pop song ever again. Please make it stop.
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and not believable
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When the title card "from director JJ Abrams" comes up, there are lens flares? I saw that this weekend before The Hobbit and laughed out loud. Not only or there 2 free falls in this trailer, but in at least 2 others I saw: After Earth and Epic. Was there one in Oblivion?
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Go back and look at all second acts of almost any trilogy. They are usually dark. First act introduces characters and gives them a chance to prove themselves. Second act challenges the characters, and probably leaves one or two dead to give them something to strive against and learn/grow from. Third act gives the characters the chance to right what went wrong in the second act, and gives the audience catharsis. More or less.
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Gives the bad guy a good opportunity to monologue.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST
Sarek married two human women. Why can't Spock bone Uhura?
by Royston Lodge
So what if Spock's incapable of love. What, you think Kirk 'loved' that green chick?
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Yeah, I figure it's a subtle-but-good-natured middle finger to anyone paying attention. Bravo, Mr. Abrams. Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
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1) ' This has nothing to do with the Star Trek I know'. IF that is the case, then content yourself with the TV series and original cast films, and stop whining. I have lived through all incarnations of ST and what JJ and his team did with the first film was nothing short of remarkable. I'm totally stoked for this film. Its looking more and more like Mr. Cumberbatch is indeed playing Gary Mitchell. 2) ' The submersible Enterprise'...umm...if this is a spacegoing vessel, it has to be, um, what's the phrase...SEALED from the hard vacuum? Far as I'm concerned, the Enterprise being dragged along the top of the ocean (possibly under Mitchell's control'?) is one of the WTF moments that get your attention. 3) 'Prometheus is probably closer to Star Trek's Ideals than this....just sayin'.... Here's the thing; you can't tell involving stories without conflict. That way lies ST TMP, and I don't think we want to go that way again. Even Gene knew that to tell a story, you have to have conflict and resolution. DS9 was my favourite series because it dared to go dark, and it worked. The universe ain't about sippin tea and cucumber sandwiches, and if ST is seen as an allegory for the times it is made, then I would say that ST Into Darkness is the PERFECT film to reflect the times we live in. You find that piece of paradise that we can escape to, drop me an email...better still, don't. We'll only end up fucking it up like we normally do.
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It's the damn Superman Trailer....thru and thru! Same music....voice over of Pike instead of Jonathan Kent/Kal El.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST
As someone weaned on TOS, this darkness trek is welcome. Star Trek is still about optimism but
by ChakaMudd
I look at NuTrek as a more realistic exploration of the human condition. If you really pay attention Star Trek 2009 is wrought with optimism and "phoenix from the ashes" sentiment. There's always darkness before the dawn...
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST
I'm glad the Mirror Universe theory is getting a hearing.
by Royston Lodge
Personally, I'm hoping that he's Mirror Universe Picard.
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you're going to risk time, money and 600+ lives on an experiment of putting a 20something in command of your Flagship? Not even the US Navy is that illogical....most Captain are in their late 30's-late 40's...as it is the last step before the rank of Admiral, in fact since even fewer make Admiral, Captain is usually the end of a persons time in any Navy...not the beginning, or even the middle. So Captains are never THAT young or inexperienced...the risk is just to great, unless you are working under Joseph Stalin.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST
Remember all of the covert ops Kirk was on in the first movie?
by Margot Tenenbaum
In his black costume: http://trekweb.com/articles/2009/05/13/Chris-Pine-Says-Star-Trek-is-Pure-and-Wonderful-Entertainment-an-Optimistic-Series.shtml
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST
Conspiracy, have you considered that it might well be a...wait for it...conspiracy? :P
by Rob Hill
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST
Also, the original series had little to do with Navy mentality until Meyer came on board for Wrath of Khan
by Rob Hill
And purposefully decided to make the movie as Navy as possible? Yes, I understand where you are going with your argument, I'm an old PO myself. Devil's Advocate is a lot of fun, though.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST
Kirk can fly a ship around the sun and go back in time... but the Enterpise going underwater is too much?
by Mattman
You guys are funny.
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Although TC is doing in a vehicle. So this weekend's trailers before Hobbit feature: 6 free falls: STID (2), Oblivion (2), Epic (1), After Earth (1) 4 post-apocalyptic and/or futuristic films: STID, Oblivion, After Earth, Warm Bodies
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST
Just as brainless and desperate-for-cool as I suspected.
by whyamihere
The Enterprise hiding in an ocean...wouldn't it just be a lot simpler to stay in orbit? And how did it GET into its hiding place without being seen to begin with? These are questions that will occur to more than just "science nerds". Obviously just another excuse for a "cool" visual. And of course Scotty mentions it and gets promptly blown off in the rush to the next scene. Within 9 minutes, JJ is already casually flipping off common-sense viewers by GOING OUT OF HIS WAY to acknowledge a glaringly strained and improbable plot point and then just shrugging it aside (see Kirk's rapid promotion in XI). As if somehow that makes the moment less insulting to people's intelligence. Using the Prime Directive as the reason to strand Spock in the volcano is a transparent and pointless excuse for jeopardy. None of the "new" Trek crowd knows anything about the urgency of the Prime Directive, nor do they care. It's something that requires thought. I don't mind brainless popcorn movies. I'm just bugged by Abrams' deliberate insistence on it.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST
Where the Fuck is Roberto? Busy I know...but he needs to get in here and talk...
by conspiracy
Come on dude...I know you are under a gag order...but surely you can say SOMETHING bout all this...
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Dark Knight clones. This is not Star Trek.
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Pavel Chekov is wearing a RED SHIRT in this trailer. Can death be far from him now?
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST
Leaping from a cliff is the cinematic cliche of the decade. Two leaps is desperate. Keep your expectations low for this one.
by Wacky Packages
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST
I'm sure the writers, producers and directors are reading these
by Rob Hill
There's probably someone getting paid for scanning all the Trek-related message boards on the industry sites. Poor bastard. Having to read all that vitriol.
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It suggests that no Star Trek TV show or movie had violence, battles and people getting killed. It's not "darkness," it's conflict. Star Trek 2 was full of death and space battles. After all, this is a trailer. Do you expect 2 minutes of sitting around talking?
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I think in the past, the crew would already be violating the prime directive by stopping the destruction of the planet to save that civilization. I can come up with a couple of TNG episodes where it was argued that you may have to let the people die and not interfere.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST
bizarrojerry...I feel like a pedantic dick for saying it, but it's a "teaser", not a "trailer"
by Rob Hill
Teasers are just that, we are teased. Very little actual plot is ever revealed. Just a "Hey! Look at me! I have stuff that will get your attention!" Trailers on the other hand are where we usually get clarity. Most of the time (alas!) a bit too much. OK, clarifying geek rant over. Sorry.
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How many people tell Kirk he's going to be a great man over the course of these movies, no wonder that guy doesn't have an ounce of humility! Anyways, its not Star Trek, but if its not as lazy as the first flick, which was basically just using the iconography to gain storytelling advantages Abrams couldn't earn himself with an original story, I might still be able to enjoy it as a big, expensive, and pretty summer flick.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST
Hey bass acwards, just out of curiosity...what is your definition of Trek?
by Rob Hill
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WHY were they interfering with the natural course of events on a planet with a prewarp civilization? And during this time...Violating the Prime Directive means the only Death Penalty doesn't it?
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I don't know how the story is gonna go yet, but Abrams seem to put up one fine presentation.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST
@bizarrojerry - Abrams' Star Trek barely made more than TMP at the box office, adjusted for inflation.
by Margot Tenenbaum
The top performing TOS films were TMP and Star Trek IV -- i.e. the least action-driven of any of the Trek films. Star Trek always had plenty of action, but it didn't throw out its ideals & characterization to fit in EVEN MORE ACTION. That's what a lot of people feel the #1 problem with the Abrams films is. The best episodes of TNG were about avoiding needless bloodshed while Abrams has ramped up the death 4535700% (sayonara Vulcan & Romulus) in pursuit of a bloodthirsty general audience that may or may not actually exist.
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Why would you make a teaser trailer that's 50% BLACK FUCKING SCREEN?
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Bullshit. Star Trek is whatever Paramount tells you it is. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not official. You don't have the authority to change it. You may choose not to like it. You may complain that it's different. That's about as much as you can do. There are installments in various series that I don't like, but I have never had the gall to presume to tell the world that because I don't enjoy it it cannot be (insert franchise here). Of course it is! It says so right on the label! If you feel that strongly about it, in the words of Chris Pike, "I dare you to do better". Submit your stories to the people who own the rights to make these stories you care so much about or shut up and take what you're given and be happy that you get anything at all. Besides, we all know that even if you hate it, you'll watch it anyway. Even if it's only so you have something to hate.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST
conspiracy -- my name hasn't been said in anger three times, but here I am anyway. What can I do for you?
by Boborci
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST
How dare they invoke Kirk and spock touching through the glass from ROK?
by leroyspoboys
Just kidding, looks fun. Big fan of the new direction. I'll be there.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST
Trek was always at its best when it was pulpy action-driven emotion driven fun. That's a FACT and here is my evidence...
by Kikstad
"Where No Man Has Gone Before" was better than "The Cage." "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" was better than "Star Trek: The Motion Picture." The Borg and the Gorn and the warrior Klingons were better than any of the forgettable cerebral excuses for villains that made their appearances in any of the Trek series and movies. Yes, Star Trek is about idealism, curiousity, positive aspects of human nature -- but without darkness you cannot appreciate the light. As it was proven in the episode when Kirk was split into two separate individuals, you need BOTH sides. Darkness, death, pain -- without this there is no drama. As Kirk said in the otherwise crappy Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, "I NEED MY PAIN!"
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bravo
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after crashing into the water? Saved by some Scotty skills? Would be cool scene. Freeze frame shows some damage on front dish as the ship falls. I'm guessing the shot of Kirk trying to grab a crew member as the ship is falling into the water from orbit. Alien ship blows a hole in the side to free Cumberbatch from starfleet holding cell in SF,Ca.. He looks down at wreckage before escaping. Now wants revenge... but we still don't know why from this trailer.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST
Yes, this isn't STAR TREK, venerable vonotar. What do I care if Paramount claims it is?
by The Comrade
I understand your point, but we're still living in an age where more than enough people know what STAR TREK was, and therefore history hasn't been rewritten. More importantly, the "new" STAR TREK consists so far only of two event/popcorn movies. If you truly want to ingrain ABRAMS' "new" STAR TREK into people Paramount would have to greenlight a new TV show which takes place in the altered universe. Doesn't seem likely.
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If Abrams does a trilogy, could he be using a reversal of WoK and borrowing plot from The Entropy Effect as well? Plus Chekov in red instead of yellow intrigues me. Does that mean they kill off Welshy er Scotty instead of letting him grow a moustache and a gut?
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST
Hopefully the whole Nu crew gets slaughtered except for McCoy...
by buggerbugger
...and he gets a much better crew to serve alongside in Star Trek Out of Africa.
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David Hasselhoff wears an eye patch.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST
Saw the first 9 minutes- oooh, I wonder if Spock makes it out of the volcano!
by YackBacker
TENSION! (yawn).
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST
The superficial discussion of the Prime Directive and the "needs of the many" line also sucked
by YackBacker
I wonder if Cumberbatch PLANNED on being caught... cuz that's never been done in movies in the last 4 years.
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I'm convinced Pedro Almodovar should direct the next Trek.
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Vincent Price says "Fuck Sky Captain, I'm Captain Robur Bitch!"
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST
Greetings Bob...Not "Angry"...yet ;) Feels good to be out of the 140ch cage...
by conspiracy
Ok...lets get down to fucking brass tacks. Prime Directive...I know it exists in this trekverse. Is it the SAME Prime directive as TOS..or is it more "flexible"? I know you can't answer the real question...so I'll go with this.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST
dercomrade, I understand your point of view. We may get a new TV series yet. Stranger things have happened.
by Rob Hill
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST
Who says the ship crashing into the ocean in the teaser is the Enterprise. I am willing to bet it's actually Harrison's ship.
by Rob Hill
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It is a Tradition of the genre.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST
conspiracy== prime directive is the same way we found it. which is to say, open to interpretation;)
by Boborci
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Good. The Star Trek you're referring to sucks. It's incredibly slow, ridiculously boring, horribly pretentious, and not at all entertaining to anyone who doesn't have their head up their own self-congratulatory asses. I'll take a darker story over more of the same, dull bullshit Star Trek threw at us until 2009's came along and made the franchise bearable to anyone who wasn't a giant uber-nerd. Waaaaaaaaaah! There's darkness in a Star Trek movie! They're not going to spend 2 hours on a ship talking philosophy and arguing over the Prime Directive! Waaaaaaaaaaah! I love you fucking jack asses who cry about how it's "dumbed down". Seriously, that shit is hilarious. The fact that you think you're "above" anyone or anything is fucking hilarious.
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I hope they have a scene where Kirk fucks Spock just to watch you guys sob with impotent rage.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST
@boborci Out of curiosity, is anything happening with Locke & Key? I understand if you have to keep mum.
by Rob Hill
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST
Cumberbatch looks kinda stiff and/or "robotic" in the jail cell shot.
by Royston Lodge
Locutus?
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST
The 9minute STID preview is only showing in Digital "LIEmax"!
by Zardoz
Because "The Hobbit" is so long, they can't put anything else on the 70mm film reels for the true IMAX presentation. Sigh! I guess I'm gonna have to sneak into a "LIEmax" theater. "Star Trek Into Darkness" better be playing in real IMAX when it comes out...
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Fuck those guys...I'm taking that as a big fat "No". lmao
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST
I'm no student of Star Trek but this looks nothing like a Trek movie. To me, it looks something Nolan would conjure up.
by GQTaste26
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I can't tell if this is a magnificent troll or not. I'll respond anyhow. It's probably one of those "I'm right where I want to be so I'll stand here patiently" kind of scenes.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST
jediwuddayaknow..I can write something for you if you like.
by conspiracy
ask around...I'm pretty good with a story.;)
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST
Anyhow, off to work for a bit. Adios, talkbackers. Be back later.
by Rob Hill
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST
Prime Directive Violation was a Death Penalty Offense in TOS...
by conspiracy
will it be here as well? Hmmm...maybe Cumbersnatch is pissed about a Prime Directive violation....
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST
I wonder what The Borg are like in the Mirror Universe...
by Royston Lodge
Hyper-individualistic altruists?
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I HATE falling for viral marketing...damn it, and yet I do it every...single...time. Conspiracy is a Curious guy...what can I say.
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Yay!
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Will we be getting a trailer soon?
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST
yeah, if you haven't figured it out yet that Kirk dies at the end of this one, you might have poop for brains.
by M_Night_Salamipants
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST
drmorbius -- Ender's Game stuff coming soon! Thanks for asking.
by Boborci
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST
I've not seen the 9mn Trailer...but I'll GUESS I'm close in thinking...
by conspiracy
Prime Directive Violation, (or perhaps enforcement of?) has something to do with Cumberbuns Tangent... ...Maybe his family can only be saved by violating it? Maybe it has something to do with him turning against Star Fleet? Maybe I should just forget all this guesswork, go home, and hit the Top Shelf Soju I brough home from Seoul?
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No, it wasn't. The only remaining death penalty in TOS was visiting Talos IV.
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Were we not promised the 9 minutes on the web? Anyone know if/when it will appear?
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vengeance, shit blowing up, UGLY STERILE SET DESIGN, The Main Bridge looks like it is inside an Apple store. This is not Star Trek.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST
Wow are people really complaining about a SPACESHIP being under water?
by Wcwlkr
That makes no sense to complain about. I mean seriously it's a spaceship it's build to fly in an enviroment without air. I think it can go into another enviroment without AIR.
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Nice to see Abrams get rattled. Supes > Trek
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Right. Cuz we had access to it. We recut the whole thing in two minutes as soon as Man of Steel came out. You see through us. How do you do it?
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST
Somehow I hadn't noticed LINDELOF on the writing credits before...
by jazzdownunder
... after the PROMETHETURD this is NOT a good sign imho. :(
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST
Go to comics alliance to see the nine minute preview before they shut it down!!!!
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:38 p.m. CST
Damn Bob, the new trailer looks like it was cut in about 2 minutes.
by Cameron1
More than enough time since the MoS trailer came out. If longer was spent on it then it don't bode well for you.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST
cameron1 has obviously cut a lot of trailers and knows what he's talking about
by Stephen
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There are people on this board who first saw this trailer 2 weeks ago and described it perfectly. Long before the man of steel trailer was released. Fail.
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Cus this really looks like a rip-off
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:43 p.m. CST
cameron1 - "Doesn't bode well" get a feeling we will be fine. Thank you so much for your concern.
by Boborci
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You have no idea how long it takes to craft a trailer. None at all. Thanks for playing.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST
The trailer shows cryo tubes. Cryo tubes = Botany Bay = KHHHHAAAAANNNNNNNNN!!!!!
by Karl Hungus
Done and done.
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kirk and spock jump over cliff and spock jumps off skyscraper. just like the visual of young kirk driving car over cliff. not done yet- spaceman flying through atmosphere same as last time. villain in lockup behind glass just like every other film. the only thing missing is the camera closeup of person on ground suddenly being dragged away from camera across ground. every summer blockbuster must have these at all times. hollywood so out of ideas.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST
Oh no doubt you'll make plenty of money, Bob. good to know that's your major concern
by Cameron1
It's kinda obvious.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST
The only gripe I have with this new Kirk is that he doesnt strike me for the "explorer of new worlds or meeting new life forms" like the original series Kirk. I
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST
Flashy trailer or not...I'll go see it, last one was Fun...
by conspiracy
But I DO wish JJ would give us some meat of the story instead of just action shots....I'm not 9. I know this isn't your dept. Bob; fuck you're over all this by at least a year and on to half a dozen other projects....but can't ya just walk up and slap JJ for us...just once..and tell him to put some STORY into his hype machine.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST
Oh I know how long it takes to craft one Bob. This looks less crafted, more slapdash.
by Cameron1
Particularly the shots of everyone staring stoically into the middle distance, must have taken hours. Yes.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST
Finally there at least be a scene of some starship captains giving Kirk a cold shoulder. The fact on how quick he got command should have some animosity with his peers.
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST
I'm getting a kick out of bob orci battling haters on the web
by Stephen
A victim of a complacent society without enough conflict in his life like the rest of us?
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before AMS. Wish he hadn't done that show. It lowered him.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST
cameron1 -- let's get real. Do you actually believe we looked at Man of Steel trailer and adjusted our plans? Do you?
by Boborci
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I think I'm going to hate this one worse than his first one ... Paramount, please remove him from the franchise
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST
camron1 -- my major concern is not pissing off my uncle, Richard Robau, who got me into Star Trek when I was a kid.
by Boborci
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Dec. 17, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST
Bob, as I said to proevad - it's unfortunate that MoS stole your thunder.
by Cameron1
'Cus it looks like a rip-off now. I'm sure you're aware of how important first impressions are.
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thread. This is before all the haters came out to play. http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59897
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST
cameron1 to his friends later: "you shoulda SEEN me puttin the smack down on Orci!"
by Stephen
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST
Will the end of ST Into darkness be a ciffhanger leading to ST3?
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST
boborci APPEARS!?! DID SOMEONE FLUSH A TOILET THREE TIMES?!? A NEW TREK, ANOTHER LAME VILLAIN, VENGENCE, FUCKING YAWN!!! NO WONDER!!! NO ADVENTURE!!! NO IMAGINATION WHAT-SO-EVER!!!FACT!!!
by CreepyThinManForever
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starting with the original series, there seems to be a constant struggle between the star trek that gene roddenberry created and wanted- the one that proceeds from utopia and celebrates exploration and the human adventure through morality parables... ...and what the public at large wants star trek to be- lots of violence, sex and soap opera drama against a sci-fi backdrop and reinforcing an us versus them narrative.
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No doubt you'll be telling all your friends about the "smackdown" you laid on an anonymous internet commentator. You keyboard warrior you.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST
The pretentious talkbacks are more sad than laughable. I can only imagine what would've been posted for the earlier ST movies from the 70's and 80's.
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST
I dont tell my friends about my internet life. I'm embarassed by it.
by Stephen
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST
creepythinman -- ba-bye! Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out! don't need you AT ALL!
by Boborci
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST
creepythinman -- ba-bye! Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out! don't need you AT ALL!
by Boborci
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST
boborci, I FUCKING KNEW YOU SCRIPT MONKEY'S COULDN'T COME UP WITH ANYTHING BEYOND PEW-PEW-PEW-BAKOOM PART 2!!! OH AND WE KNOW IT'S FUCKING KHAN!!!FACT!!!
by CreepyThinManForever
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST
Cameron1 -- you know nothing. Your comments are the perfect evidence for why I get to write and produce these movies and you don't.
by Boborci
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST
boborci, YOUR "MYSTERY BOX" BULLSHIT REVEALS NOTHING BUT THE EMPTINESS OF YOUR SHALLOW AND VACUOUS MENTALITY!!! ALL FLASH, NO SUBSTANCE, NO MYTHIC RESONANCE!!! JUST RIP OFF ELEMENTS FROM OTHER MOVIES AND REPACKAGE THEM FOR THE BRAINLESS MORONS OF AMERIKKK
by CreepyThinManForever
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST
boborci, YOU GET TO WRITE AND PRODUCE DISPOSABLE GARBAGE THAT APPEALS TO LOW I.Q. CRETINS LIKE YOURSELF!!! FOUR YEARS LATER AND DOES ANYONE REGARD DAWSON'S TREK 90210 AS THEY DO TREK 2/3/4?!? NO!!!FACT!!!
by CreepyThinManForever
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I like this updated version of the UFP/Starfleet. Just like America today, sometimes our government feels the need to do things that the general public would and do find distasteful. But what happens when one of these covert missions, a-la "Mission Impossible" goes bad? With plausible deniability intact, any government or military asset involved in a failed/compromised mission would be branded a terrorist or enemy of the state. I am getting a very strong feeling in my gut that something like this is going on with our mysterious Mr. Harrison. He's a covert (Section 31?) operative that got compromised and left out in the cold and now he's pissed off at the people that betrayed him. Kirk for blowing his mission and Starfleet for demonizing him. That's my take.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST
Don't worry Bob...it only Stings for a second...;next time, more plot n trailer please.
by conspiracy
You've all agreed on on this action-y trailer...and satisfied the action fans, whom are the vast majority of the movie going population I will admit...but now it is time for some meat for guys like me.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST
boborci, WHERE'S THE MORAL/ETHICAL CONUNDRUMS OF TRUE TREK?!? THAT INVESTIGATION INTO THE HUMAN CONDITION?!? OF COURSE A SUBHUMAN SLIME LIKE YOU KNOWS NOTHING OF HUMANITY!!!FACT!!!
by CreepyThinManForever
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST
Apart from the fact I don't want write and produce these movies, Bob.
by Cameron1
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...well....actually I'm the same here as in the real world for the most part...minus the hyperbole when posting about films. Still...not sure Mom would want to read me posting about Galadriels Elvish Penis Pouch. Yeah...embarrassing...
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST
Teaser did what it was meant to do. Teased us. The Trailer in a few months will give us some story
by Rob Hill
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST
I am also hoping that the Star Trek 3 or 4 deal withe the romulan war that we never got to see in the tv shows.
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST
boborci---Off Topic...since you're here; hows that Universal thing progressing?
by conspiracy
Kinda interested in what you boys/girls are gonna do with those...remember dude...its the CREEP factor, not the blood and guts.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST
Conspiracy -- Universal has been great and we have some cool things cooking with them, including that thing you mentioned;)
by Boborci
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST
Thank goodness there isn't an Internet in the Trek universe...
by Kikstad
...because folks would have been spending all their time in flamewars instead of exploring strange new worlds. Death to trolls! We have your back, Orci!
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I am actually grateful for the chance to communicate with anyone involved in the creation of this project at all. The best thing I can say is thanks for giving us something familiar yet different, thought provoking and entertaining. I've been a fan of the series since I saw Star Trek 4 in the theater when I was four years old. The new series hits all the right buttons in my head that say "Star Trek". I don't think your uncle will be disappointed either. Thanks.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST
Good too hear Bob...hope it works out. Alright ppl...I'm out for awhile, work calls...carry on.
by conspiracy
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST
My only problem with Kirk's rapid promotion in ST1 is that usually officers don't command the same troops from their battlefield promotions...
by Zardoz
So, in reality, while Kirk was made a Captain, he wouldn't keep his command of the Enterprise. Just sayin'!
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST
Vonotar -- much appreciated!! The scariest part was showing him the first movie. Thank god, he did not disown me;)
by Boborci
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boborci for Prometheus VS Alien! Oh the schnazzy that could happen!
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ST2009 was lots of fun. Opening day it is.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST
boborci, OR MAYBE YOU SHOULD BUY THE TWILIGHT ZONE BLU-RAY BOXSET AND LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT WRITING SCIENCE FICTION YOU HACK COCKSUCKER!!!FACT!!! FOR INSTANCE, IN KEEPING WITH THE TREK THEME OF THIS TALKBACK.....
by CreepyThinManForever
Watch the episode "Nick of Time" starring William Shatner. It's an incredible piece of work, from Richard Matheson, about a upwardly mobile young couple who stop in a small town and have lunch at a diner that has fortune telling machines adorned with winking devil heads on them. As the story progresses it appears that the machine is predicting the future and slowly starts to sap Shatner of his willpower and ability to control his own destiny. The machine doesn't just pump out cards that say "YOU WILL DIE!!!". Its answers are soo fucking ingeniously subtle in ways that a fucking moronic asshole like you could never understand. This is the tragedy of Dawson's Trek 90210. You completely FAIL to take the endless opportunities with Sci-fi to tell a story ABOUT SOMETHING beyond Mommy and Daddy issues mixed with Star Wars and Top Gun. The fact that you once again went for VENGENCE shows what an intellectual void you, Kurtzman, Lindelof and Abrams are. You have nothing to say which is why the trash you make appeals to the lowest common denominator of know nothing simpletons. Joss Whedon's The Avengers was a simple comic book movie but it wasn't SIMPLE MINDED which is why it was such a massive success and wipes its ass with your fucking garbage but then that's because Whedon is a REAL WRITER while you're a worthless hack cunt and the scripting equivalent of a Mexican day laborer.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST
Makes me wonder if anyone else is here from the production team
by Rob Hill
I would be utterly amused to learn that Bryan Burk, Damon Lindelof or Alex Kurtzman post in here occasionally to gauge opinion or annoy the trolls. That idea just makes me happy.
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Do you guys always sit around and pretend to talk like experts, or do you do that to make yourselves feel better? (Been waiting to use that Fox news comment for a while now.)
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Bound to be. Hollywood loves brother/brother or Father/son conflicts. Kirk had a brother, Sam, in Starfleet, right? Either that or he's that fiddle-de-dee irish guy he was at starfleet academy with - Flynn? Take either one of them and give them the Gary Mitchell treatment. Add a good measure of DARK KNIGHT and a dash of STAR WARS; have the villain get captured on purpose - Blockbuster!
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST
@boborci - Time Travel OK for first Trek, not for Into Darkness
by ForgetTheMoney
while "resetting" the universe in the first Trek was ok ,I hope we do not see anymore (time travel) in the series as it acts like a "cheat"..... I am looking forward to Nu Trek 2 (yes, loved the trailers) as long as Khan is revived in an awesome, out of left field manner, then the movie will rock i'd like Khan to be the puppet master in Trek 2 leading to a massive throwdown in Trek 3 (although some would say this is same vane as Count Dooku and the Emperor in Star Wars ep. 2 and 3) fyi, Transformers blew, but M.I 3 rocked!!
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not even sure why he is here engaged in debate we are worthless, for most of us are out of the demo that hollywood needs to stay profitable furthermore, based upon the receipts of the new st, jj and bob have proven the original execs right people dont want character or meaning in their scifi...they want action and big, dumb, meaningless plots people want eye candy...and there is plenty to be found in this franchise congrats bob hey, need a new assistant? i have no prob whoring my talents out...just like you
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST
isn't telling someone to be more like Matheson like telling them to be more like Bruce Lee?
by Stephen
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST
OH AND DID ANYONE NOTICE THAT boborci AND CO. STOLE THE "FLYING THROUGH THE DEBRIS FIELD" SEGMENT FROM DEAD SPACE 2?!?FACT!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOiRQ0YvUnM
by CreepyThinManForever
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before wok...there was st the movie an admirable experiment, but filled with errors that befit a production that attempted to take a pilot for what rodenberry saw as tng and stretch it into a full length movie wok was hailed by everyone
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST
@vonotar just the over the top nature of the trolling reminded me of a certain actor...
by lox4444
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:49 p.m. CST
re: inclusion of lindelof on writing team: yes, it makes me nervous
by smudgewhat
i just rewatched Prometheus and wow, that bugger is a huge mess. the biggest mistake was not going with the original Alien: Engineers draft that dovetailed so nicely into Alien. but then of course there'd be no need for a sequel, which was obviously the goal. i am bummed when art fails b/c i want it all to be great. i don't hate just to hate. in fact, two of my fave action movies came out last year with Avengers & Dark Knight.
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orci has left the building but kudos to him as we dont have any fun here anymore, since the fat fuck refuses to return and take his lumps
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST
Complaining about absolute originality in story, especially sci-fi, is like
by Rob Hill
Complaining to anyone speaking Spanish that they stole it from the Latin speakers because they had the same words first. Ridiculous.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST
I wish I could pitch some ideas to ole Bob. I'd even write the first draft for free.
by kindofabigdeal
Just give me a writers credit, or a story by...
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Curious is you got to see Hobbit in 48fps? Your thoughts?
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST
and further, i really dug the Star Trek reboot movie. but this one... feel less sure.
by smudgewhat
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST
"McCoy, thish... ish the Quickening!" as they jump off the cliff
by Koborover
Kirk and McCoy are the new Ramirez and MacLeod.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 3:58 p.m. CST
booger_t, THAT'S A FALSE EQUIVALENCY!!! ASKING SOMEONE TO BE LIKE MATHESON IS NOT LIKE ASKING A PERSON TO BE LIKE BRUCE LEE!!!FACT!!! HERE'S THE THING, ROD SERLING WASN'T MATHESON YET......
by CreepyThinManForever
He created the greatest TV show of all time and wrote some incredibly powerful Science-fiction despite the fact that Serling was not technically a Sci-fi writer. Rod came out of live television during the Playhouse 90 days and only created The Twilight Zone to get around the network censors. Within Sci-fi he could say something about the human condition and human prejudice without being overtly political. Serling had things on his mind and used the genre as a way of dealing with those things. THAT, my friends, is why TZ, and Star Trek, have resonated for decades. Those shows said something about humanity and that will always have a timeless appeal. Dawson's Trek 90210 says nothing.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST
Since I was a kid, I always thought a Federation civil war would be a great story, and someone(might have been Berman or Moore) was asked about the concept once,
by lox4444
and whoever it was said they didn't think that was in line with Roddenberry's vision. I kind of get it, that GR wouldn't have wanted Starfleet killing each other(though it's been done on smaller scales) but it still would have been cool.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST
IT'S A FUCKING SHAME THAT THE DUMB SHITS OF THE WORLD BUZZ TO DAWSON'S TREK 90210 LIKE FLIES TO SHIT BUT QUALITY SCI-FI LIKE CLOUD ATLAS BOMBS!!! RETARDS RULE THE WORLD!!! boborci IS LIVING PROOF!!!FACT!!!
by CreepyThinManForever
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Dec. 17, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST
I bet some of you haters out there would have screamed at Gene Roddenberry himself about Star Trek: The Motion Picture
by Rob Hill
If you could have. Or about Data being a rip-off of Spock. Or about Klingons in Starfleet or any number of other new things when the respective movies and shows came out. And you know what? You would have been wrong on a lot of things (not all, but that is NOT justification) as time proved these ideas to be brilliant. Damn. I can imagine a Talkback board for Alfred Hitchcock: Killer Birds ARE GAY! He cast Jimmy Stewart? Man that guy was a LAME Glenn Miller. Hitchcock is a hack! Try some lense flares, moron! Jeeze.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST
boborci, SPEAKING OF PLAYHOUSE 90, AND THE VELVET ALLEY, TELL ME, IS IT WORTH IT GETTING YOUR $1000 A WEEK?!?FACT!!!
by CreepyThinManForever
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fact is, were this version of trek the one that hit the airwaves in 66, it may have lasted 5 full seasons...but wouldve ended up just like lost in space....nice memories, but nothing special
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...more like a Revlon counter.
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boborci never mentioned money in his post, but your simple mind went there!
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It's probably hell on the poor enlisted bastards who have to keep it clean, though. Enterprise probably smells like bleach. :(
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... 2009's Star Trek was THE most entertaining summer popcorn movie in the last 5 years. This look even stronger. I feel sorry for your raging fanboys that exist only to hate absolutely everything. This looks tremendous and I can't wait for me. Enjoy wallowing in your misery.
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.... not as much a question for Kirk, but more of a justification for "Harrison's" motives. It will make this villain more than just a evil bad guy, but someone with different ideologies than Kirk. But both fighting for their "families." The question is, who is Harrison's family? JJ, you've done it, the mind-fuck worked ;-). I don't care who the villain is anymore, I just want to see this movie! ...oh ya and I predict the Enterprise will get pretty fucked up in this film and that you'll see a 1701-A in the next film... That is all
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Dec. 17, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST
vonotar, HAVE YOU READ ABOUT THE MAKING OF STAR TREK: THE MOTIONLESS PICTURE?!? NO?!? THEN STFU!!!FACT!!! RODDENBERRY FUCKED THAT MOVIE BECAUSE.....
by CreepyThinManForever
He decided that Trek was a tone poem about the evolution of man and wanted it to be like 2001 which is NOT what Trek was about. Nicholas Meyer understood that Trek at its best had cool Sci-fi concepts but also mixed them with themes and subtext about friendship, old age and death which is why Wrath of Khan is the best film of the series. Khan was a great theatrical villain but he was also brilliantly paralleled with David, Kirks son, as both represented the fact that James T. had abdicated his responsibilities and how that lack of action left Kirk with a bill of payment for whom his crew, specifically Spock, would pay the price. Roddenberry’s Star Trek movie was about people staring into space which is an endless black void of emptiness. Just like watching Star Trek The Motionless picture.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST
superseantnt then let them create their own popcorn scifi uni, like lucas did
by walt
they needed the name branding and geek cred and im pretty sick of it this series has as much to do with st as the depp piece of shit from last summer had to do with dark shadows
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Dec. 17, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST
TMP was originally Phase II " In Thy Image". It was still Trek, troll. Just not what audiences wanted at that time.
by Rob Hill
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Dec. 17, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST
vonotar, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH I KNOW ABOUT TREK PHASE II BEING CALLED "IN THY IMAGE" AND HOW THE MOTION PICTURE IS PRACTICALLY A REMAKE OF THE CHANGELING!!!FACT!!!
by CreepyThinManForever
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Dec. 17, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST
I ALSO KNOW THAT THE MOTIONLESS PICTURE WAS ABOUT AS INTERESTING AS WATCHING A LOG OF SHIT FLOATING THROUGH SPACE!!!FACT!!!
by CreepyThinManForever
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Looks like the same ADD, artless drivel as last time. Pass.
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This is Star Trek but that isn't. Look, Star Trek was NEVER all that cerebral. Don't delude yourselves. Roddenberrys original concept for Star Trek was "Wagon Train in space" after all. There was occasional high concept and social allegory but most of the time it was about as conceptual as Gunsmoke. This may not be "YOUR" Star Trek but the same could be said about James Bond over the years. It evolved and responded according to whatever world it exists in. Star Trek must do the same. If we had gotten one more flat Berman-style milquetoast interpretation of a Star Trek movie I would have slit my wrists. I'm not excusing slopping writing and there was plenty of that to be had in the 2009 Trek. But it made up for it with it's vitality and character-driven narrative. And that's what Start Trek has really always been about. This group of people working together as friends and professionals much, much less so about pondering man's place in the universe.
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It's not art. It's commercial and they're going to make a film for the masses.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 5:19 p.m. CST
alancarter, YES, STAR TREK WAS ORIGINALLY "WAGON TRAIN TO THE STARS" BUT THE BEST EPISODES HAVE SOMETHING ON THEIR MIND MIXED WITH COMPELLING HUMAN DRAMA!!!FACT!!! LOOK AT "CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER"......
by CreepyThinManForever
There's a reason why it's considered the best Trek episode of all time. What a dilemma; Travel back in time to fix history but fall in love with a woman who is destined to die and if she doesn't the world will end. Now THAT is great fucking science fiction. Or how about The Ultimate Computer? A new computer system, the M-5, is installed to take over control of ships from people but it malfunctions and goes on a rampage. How do they defeat it? By making it feel guilt over the people it killed. Fucking genius! Meanwhile Dawson's Trek 90210 costs tens of millions of dollars and yet STILL can't out do a show with plywood sets from almost 50 years ago.
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that was not rodenberry's intent fact is, the suits have always been morons
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Dec. 17, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST
Whatever, creepy...they also stole the lens flares from Mass Effect...and you know what...
by Baked
They owned it. Now all people can think about is lens flares. That's the sign of a TRUE talent.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST
@alancarter agree with everything you said. Every Berman TNG films felt like a missed opportunity to me, but....
by lox4444
while I was disappointed, and would debate the issue with other fans, I never got ANGRY that others liked them. First Contact lost me when the Borg decided to fight through a fleet of ships BEFORE going back in time, and the entire concept seemed lazy from the start, but the fact was most of the fans loved it, and it secured the future of the franchise. I can tell you why I don't like it, but why would I get angry at other people for liking it? For me, I think they ruined the ship battles when they made the switch from submarine style combat to fighter-jet battles. There's a lot I don't like about the changes, but most fans disagree with me, the future of the franchise is secure, and I mostly enjoyed the last film, so cheers!
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the suits wouldnt buy the first pilot cuz it was too cerebral comparing bond to trek is like comparing bond to the prisoner
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I agree completely. Yes, those were great episodes and definite high water marks for the show. it was probably that handful of concept episodes that elevated Start Trek above the average space yarn of the time. But other shows of that time like The Outer Limits blew Star Trek away on a weekly basis if we want to talk about "thinking" Science Fiction. Thing is Star Trek hasn't been that since "Next Generation". Practically none of the feature films, except for the much maligned ST:TMP (Hey, I actually think that's among the best of the films) featured exploration, purpose, and advancement of the human condition. They were almost all, and to a fault, about saving the earth or the crew from something threatening and evil. Nothing's really changed.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST
I agree violating the Prime Directive is a capital offense.
by DougMcKenzie
And Benny Cumbersnatch KNOWS what Kirk did on that planet! Starfleet doesn't know however. This summer, you think your world is safe? It ain't, boy. Benedict Cumberbatch is...... THE TATTLER!
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Dec. 17, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST
That was a weak trailer ... The shorter one was better.
by GINGE_MUPPET
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Dec. 17, 2012, 5:32 p.m. CST
THE ONLY JOHN HARRISON I WANT TO SEE IS THE COMPOSER OF THE SCORE FOR GEORGE A. ROMERO'S CREEPSHOW!!!FACT!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUSnzT5e7Z8
by CreepyThinManForever
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Dec. 17, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST
baked, STUPID CUNT, ABRAMS STOLE THE LENS FLARES FROM SPILEBERG OF WHOM COCKNOSE ABRAMS THINKS HE'S THE MODERN EQUIVILANT!!! BUT HE'S MICHAEL BAY WITH 2 MORE I.Q. POINTS!!!FACT!!!
by CreepyThinManForever
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Dec. 17, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST
In Abram's Star Trek Kirk and Spock become friends even though Spock renders Kirk unconscious.....
by Marlboroliteman
rapes him (off screen) and shoots him off in a capsule onto a dangerous planet to face certain death....but luckily it's the one planet were Nero abandons future Spock.... oh and there happens to be a star fleet outpost on that planet....and there's a way to beam onto a ship half way across the galaxy thats traveling at warp speed...why if they have that capability not just beam onto Earth...but I digress...how can Kirk become friends with a guy that indirectly tried to kill him? In that movie the musical score was bad, the ship design was bad, the constant camera movement was annoying (what did they film it on the ocean?), the story was blah. This movie is already starting off with with a bad title and the trailer looks like there's gonna be none stop action, that's not what a Star Trek movie suppose to be.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 5:48 p.m. CST
THIS THREAD SEEMS PRETTY DEAD!?! I THOUGHT THE USUAL REGULARS WOULD BE HERE!?! WHAT THE FUCK!?!FACT!!!
by CreepyThinManForever
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Dec. 17, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST
boborci -- Star Trek vs. Aliens (as in the xenomorph variety)
by lv_426
Come on... it would be fun. Hell, First Contact was a lot like Aliens with the Borg in place of Giger's biomechanoids.
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whats with the "ive been watching XYZ fill in the blank for about a month now" it sounds like some dumbass thing harry said that people are busting his bad grammar balls for
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What I do care about is the reason I'm being told that its underwater. The 9 minute IMAX preview makes it clear that they deliberately submerged the ship to "hide" from the natives. But the natives are throwing spears and worshiping a scroll of paper! How could they possibly see a ship orbiting a thousand miles above their planet? So to be "discreet" they bring a giant starship into the atmosphere like a flaming comet, within running distance of the native settlement they're trying to hide from, and splashdown in the ocean. Subtle, right? Its just not thought out. It reeks of an idea "OOH What if it was underwater?!" that was backed into with scattered details, just for the sake of showing something cool. Am I going to skip the movie based on that? Hell no. Obviously, that whole part of the movie is probably irrelevant to the larger plot with CumberKahn. Alright, I'll stop being a bitch now.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 6:14 p.m. CST
Beer Engineering is back. FUCK. Feels like a Superman trailer rip-off.
by Pixelsmack
Everyone's going Zack/Nolan now? Only thing we can hope for is that this film will spell the demise of the Enterprise in its current form. Or that it gets so beat to hell, they need to refurb it and give it an actual engineering department instead of "Scotty's IPA Brewing House and Dylithium Crystals Emporium."
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Dec. 17, 2012, 6:14 p.m. CST
We got to see Kirk,Spock and McCoy's origin I'm curious to see the rest of the crew's rebooted origins.
by Cedric Ford
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Team Enterprise outsmart Benedict's character, who at some point during the film will let out a primal scream like a girl sat on a hot plate before leaping off some scaffolding or similar structure off the ground and crazily attempting to go to fist city with Kirk when he realizes his all too diabolical overly contrived plan to destroy earth is easily thwarted by either a.) removing a battery and/or b.) pointing a laser elsewhere. There....give me your admission money. - Chavonne
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is one of the best reviewed films of all time. 95 percent on Rotten Tomatoes. You haters look like Teabagging fools. Facts don't seem to matter in your universe.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 6:25 p.m. CST
And since this is a alternate timeline I wonder was the 20th century slightly altered? Basics
by Cedric Ford
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Hit me over the head with the symbolism, yeah? The crashing of the Enterprise into the water is either the consequences of Kirk's hubris (i.e. arrogance = Kirk's fall from grace) or a cutesy Okee-Doke by Abrams (i.e. Kirk accepts his flaws and is able to bury his hubris/the threat by scuttling them in an act of sacrifice).
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Dec. 17, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST
With all the incarnations of ST in movies,TV,books etc etc we rarely see other countries on earth in the 24th century. What does Africa look like? Japan? Australia?
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 17, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST
I've been living in an alternate timeline for a month now.
by Royston Lodge
Hey-ooooo!
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I understand your $20 computer is missing keys on the keyboard and that's why everything is in capital letters and all, but you DO realize that you make fun of J.J. TREK for being about adventure and ripping off STAR WARS... and then turn around and make fun of THE MOTION PICTURE? Which was about optimism, exploration and all of the things you said STAR TREK "should" be about?!? Do you have the mental memory of a goldfish? And Bob (if that's really you)? I will say this: while J.J. TREK "is" pretty fucking retardingly stupid (why didn't Spock sacrifice himself when the Romulans captured him and detonate the Red Matter? Does Spock Prime realize HE is guilty of allowing Nero the ability to destroy Vulcan? Hell, how did Nero even know where or even WHEN Spock Prime would show up? The stupid or contrivance or convenience list could go on for 10 pages)... in the end, it is still a lot of FUN, and that is something you cannot really say about any of the NEXT GEN movies, short of FIRST CONTACT. This is something that was realized between STAR TREK: TMP and STAR TREK II: you have to have characters who "have" character (arcs) as well as have something to do (other than look at the viewscreen and admire how wonderous a purple cloud looks) if you want to plant butts in the seats. But please. For the love of GOD. No more Khan. You have: - the mirror universe - the organians and ebonites - the hortas - the vampire cloud - numerous other story lines from TOS or even the TOS books between the series and ST: TMP. To pull from. There is NO NEED TO KEEP ON RETREADING STAR TREK II. NO NEED. Just go to the TOS Alan Dean Foster books and make movies off of those. PLENTY of source material and the rights shouldn't be too expensive either. The explosions help too.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 6:36 p.m. CST
If the people of earth in the 24th century have access to free food,housing and clothing what is a typical day like for a Terran?
by Cedric Ford
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Let's wait til the absolute LAST SECOND to fix this bubbling volcano.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST
I mention the utopia concept of a 24th century earth only to give what would motivate someone to destroy it?
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 17, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST
That came out wrong. Let me rephrase it. If earth in the 24th century is a utopia then what is it that would compell someone to destroy everything and everyone?
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 17, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST
monroville, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DAWSON'S TREK 90210 AND STAR TREK THE MOTIONLESS PICTURE IS ONE OF BALANCE!!! ONE IS VACUOUS WHILE THE OTHER PONDEROUS!!! ONE IS STOOPID AND THE OTHER IS PRETENTIOUS!!!FACT!!! LOOK.....
by CreepyThinManForever
I know that most people are easily entertained plebs but just because you like being treated like someone with a mental deficiency doesn't mean that the rest of us do as well. A great Trek movie, like Wrath of Khan, mixes action with ideas. EMPHASIS ON IDEAS because Trek IS NOT FUCKING STAR WARS no matter how much cocknose and his catchers want it to be. But that's the way they treat it which is why it burns my ass as the Trek Universe has soo much potential to tell any type of story and all these fucking imbeciles can do is trot out generic villains with generic superweapons. I also find great irony in your handle "monroville" as it no doubt alludes to George A. Romero's Dawn ofthe Dead which is a perfect example of a movie that balances themes, subtext and social satire under the guise of a monster movie. Nu Trek just doesn't have any fucking ideas driving the story beyond "HERE'S THE BAD GUY AND HE'S FUICKING PISSED!!! SHIT WILL BE FUCKED UP GOOD!!!" while the last movie had the distinction of being stoopid, filled with massive plotholes and just lacking in basic logic as it made leaps within the narrative/characterization depending on what was most convenient. It's fucking lazy but then we're talking about the generation that watches The jersey Shore and idolizes Kim Kardashian so I'm not surprised that Dawson's Trek 90210 is so well regarded with the mentally enfeebled that makes up the bulk of the population.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST
cedhollywood, JOHN HARRISON IS NO DOUBT A CONSERVATIVE WHO WANTS TO CREATE WAR TO OVERCOMPENSATE FOR HIS SMALL COCK!!!FACT!!!
by CreepyThinManForever
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We know Carol Marcus is in this. We also know the comic series has dealt with Gary Mitchel. In the episode "Where no man has gone before" Kirk and Gary discuss a joke Gary played on "that little lab technician." Kirk's response - "I almost married her." Bet you anything that technician was Carol. Cumberbatch is not Kahn. My guess is he's Mitchell or someone related to the genetic supermen and causes mayhem. By the end of the movie, we will be ready for Kahn in the next chapter. We flat out see the cryo tubes in the trailer. My final (crazy) prediction is that Del Toro wasn't going to be in this all along. It was a ruse, and that he has already been cast as Kahn for the NEXT movie. He may even make a cameo in a post-credit sequence or something. Imagine him whispering "How long" into Pine's ear, then fade to black.
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2001 -- if made today under a different name, obviously -- would get ripped to shreds by the fanboys for being extremely slow and boring. The end sequence, in particular, would drive people nuts because there was no whiz bang ending that resolved everything. That being said -- Pometheus was great, I thought until, they made it all about fucking Aliens. I wish to hell it had nothing to do with that universe at all.
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Yeah, would love a non-quicktime link to it, as youtube is loaded with fakes. Quicktime sucks.
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...on some sort of star trek...into darkness?
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Dec. 17, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST
COMPLETELY LEGIT SPOILERS: DO NOT CLICK IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED
by Mark
TRUST ME: SPOILERS < < < < > > > > > YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! *Bones is unable to save Khan, unlike in "Space Seed" *Harrison awakens, is taken aboard the Enterprise and given a Starfleet uniform, a la Khan in "Space Seed" *Kirk does not awaken the rest of the Botany Bay crew due to orders from Pike to bring the BB crew and Harrison to Earth *Harrison is furious at this, gets violent, is put in the brig *The BB crew and Harrison are brought to Earth *A year passes. Harrison has planned his revenge on Starfleet and the Federation, securing assistance from various people and manipulating others to aid in his goal of usurping the Federation, freeing his crew, and then taking control *Harrison's biggest supporters are from within Starfleet and the Federation itself, including Peter Weller's character.
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...nobody watches/enjoys the old shows; only you fat, old fucks. Just give up the ghost. The old show is dated, full of bad special effects, bad acting, and godawful stories (aside from a few like "Mirror, Mirror" and "City on the Edge of Forever"). Nostalgia has its limits. ;-)
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There is no money and people do not have to work if they don't want to. However, society is structured to encourage people to pursue and excel at whatever interests them. Education is free and available to all. Hence, Benjamin Sisko's father owned a restaurant, while his son pursued a career as a journalist. Presumably there are people that enjoy being waiters or perhaps do that as part of an apprenticeship to the chef. I'd imagine if you wanted to open a restaurant you'd apply for a slot once you could demonstrate some level of competence.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 7:33 p.m. CST
NO CAPSLOCK MUST BE ON BECAUSE HOW ELSE WOULD YOU DISCERN MY NEGATIVE, ABSURD BULLSHIT FROM EVERYONE ELSES NEGATIVE AND ABSURD BULLSHIT?
by Chris
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Dec. 17, 2012, 7:35 p.m. CST
SCHIZOSCHIZO: NOSTALGIA MAY HAVE ITS LIMITS, BUT YOUR YEAST-RIDDEN WHORE OF A MOTHER
by Mark
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Dec. 17, 2012, 7:35 p.m. CST
HAD VERY FEW. I KNOW BECAUSE I SAW HER BLOWING A HOMELESS GUY FOR A PACK OF MARLBORO'S THIS MORNING.
by Mark
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Dec. 17, 2012, 7:36 p.m. CST
I'M SURE YOU'RE THE APPLE THAT'S FALLEN VERY CLOSE TO THE TREE, I.E., YOU BLOW GUYS OVER AT THE BEST BUY
by Mark
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Dec. 17, 2012, 7:37 p.m. CST
WHERE YOU WORK THE FLOOR. WORST OF ALL, YOU BLOW THEM BECAUSE YOU WANT MORE OFF TIME TO USE FOR TROLLING STAR TREK FANS, WHO
by Mark
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Dec. 17, 2012, 7:37 p.m. CST
, I MIGHT ADD, ARE USUALLY HIGHLY EDUCATED, PROFESSIONAL, AND SUCCESSFUL, UNLKE YOURSELF, OR YOUR WHORE OF A MOTHER
by Mark
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Dec. 17, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST
SO PLEASE, GET OFF THE COMPUTER AND GO BACK TO ANALIZING YOURSELF WITH YOUR QUINTO SPOCK ACTION FIGURE.
by Mark
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Dec. 17, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST
Nothing wrong with opinons,but to state that I know what's best attitude and everyone is wrong is another thing. Especialy when the tone is jealously.
by Cedric Ford
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You guys notice that the stuff you keep telling the world as loudly as you possibly can is 'REAL' ST is all at least 30 years old? The franchise has changed - it's produced more material since that 'golden age' your brain sems to have stopped time at than prior to it at this point. It's been weak villains, remaking TWOK complete with contrived revenge plots, and trotting the decreasingly interesting Borg out for more than half the history of the franchise now. All Nu Trek did was toss the dour, sanctimonious, self-congratulatory lip-service pseudo-intellectual abortions out and try to replace it with something people other than die-hard collectors of ST Collector Plates and mint-condition copies of Mr Scott's Guide to the Enterprise might actually, you know, pay to go see. You may not like it, and prefer reruns of TOS and Ricardo Montalban's plastic chest to fill your lonely nights. So be it - no one is forcing you to keep watching, but to try and pretend that somehow 2009 took a Trek away from you that was pure in the teachings of the Ki-Rok's is asinine and butthurt. Move. The Fuck. On.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST
Let's not forget that not all talkbacks are from sane people.
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 17, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST
Some pointers, Creepythinman--- Capital letters are used at the beginning of a sentence. This in printing is known as sentence case, where the first letter of the sentence is capitalized, and all others are lower case with the exception of proper nouns...
by Chris
Here are some examples.... Pronoun "I". Personal and place names: "John", "Mr. Smith", "Amsterdam", "Europe", "Mount Everest", "the Ganges". Points of the compass: "North" National and regional adjectives: "an American" Religions: "a Catholic church Deities and personifications: "God", "Fame" Days, months: "Monday", "January" Brand names: "Hoover", "Biro", "Coca-Cola" Royal titles: "King George III" but "kings and queens of England"
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Dec. 17, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST
MR_CRANKY: MONTALBAN'S CHEST WAS REAL. HE WAS A REAL MAN, UNLKE YOURSELF, YOU SELF-IMPORTANT, SHIT-FILLED, FAGGOTY FUCKER.
by Mark
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Dec. 17, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST
MONTALBAN HAD AN EXTENSIVE CAREER, FILLED WITH TRAVEL, THE ARTS, WEALTH, CHARITABLE GIVEN, AND PROBABLY A HEALTHY SEX LIFE.
by Mark
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Take that out, and the trailer is pretty decent.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST
WITH A REAL WOMAN, WHICH YOU, MR_CRANKY, HAVE ONLY EVER DREAMT OF LOOKING IN THE EYE MUCH LESS TOUCHING.
by Mark
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Hey, AICN. Obviously, "Into Darkness" is meant to be treated as a subtitle (or, if you like, consider "Star Trek" a super-title). It's not meant to be all one thing. C'mon.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IRruvwaYW30
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Dec. 17, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST
Most kids these days are pretty stupid, though... Maybe fifth grade is aiming a bit too high for Creepythinman?
by Chris
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Dec. 17, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST
Not trying to be condescending but I hope the Harrison character has a better motivation for destroying the earth because his leader didn't survive a cyro sleep.
by Cedric Ford
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You read it here first.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST
bob-bore-see and conspiracy - as told by the geico antelopes -with the night vision goggles
by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes
Antelope 1: Oh looks who's back Antelope 2: conspiracy! hot on bob-bore-see's left nut Antelope 1 : it's embarassing Antelope 2: embarrassing! Antelope 1: conspiracy is supposed to be the king of pedopervert smut writing around these parts Antelope 2: but now he only posts when bob-bore-sees is around hoping to become the second assistant left nut sweat-licker... 3rd class Anetlope 1: we can see you conspiracy Antelope 2 :we can totally see you Antelope 1: you ever thought about going ewe-boll, conspiracy?
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You heard it here first.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST
These are the guys who blew up Vulcan halfway through their first film, so I don't really dismiss many theories on what could happen:
by lox4444
Bad Robot seems very proud of how the Vulcan thing went over, as far as shock value, and fans' approval of it. I think he'll want to top that this time. Whatever it is, it'll be bigger(or at least an attempt to go bigger).
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Dec. 17, 2012, 8:03 p.m. CST
Hey super soldier, that yeast-ridden whore of a mother...
by schizoschizo
...was your dad in a wig. Jeez Louise. I'm a lawyer who runs a very successful law firm. I used to be a Trekker/Trekkie until I realized they were overweight fuck losers. I'm not a troll, but when I come across a thread where I see fat fucks whining about how JJ Abrams has shit over their nostalgic bullshit, I like to poke at 'em with a stick. What the fuck do you do? Let me guess. You're an overweight fuck loser. Am I right? *insert the sound of crickets*
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...most of the fans of the old Star Trek shows honestly... seem like people with Aspergers.
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Old Trek, New Trek, I honestly don't care. I'm just having fun on the web, and getting into the spirit of this thread. ;-)
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My guess is you defend pedophiles and Republican crooks.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 8:08 p.m. CST
The pseudo english prof who bitch about grammar all the time is comical. I didn't realize these posts are term papers that has to be reviewed and revised before posting.
by Cedric Ford
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Spock and Benedict Cumberbatch; who is his half brother. After standing by him, fighting him and seeing the destruction he has caused Spock must let him die in that scene.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 8:11 p.m. CST
Did it occur to those prof that most of these posts are typed on a smartphone on a a plane or car or whatever.
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 17, 2012, 8:12 p.m. CST
Why the fuck isn't this on YouTube? You know, where millions of people could watch it.
by Gary Makin
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LOL!!! No, I don't, but thanks for playing. ;-) All Republicans are crooks (it's a fucking tautology), and pedophiles deserve all the ass-raping they get in prison. But I don't want to derail this thread. I'm just fuckin' with the Old Star Trek fans who want to shit on this new incarnation. Honestly, as a fan of both, I'm just glad that people who love the shit out of this hipster new version might check out the older stuff (like me, a fan of the new Doctor Who, which made me check out the older stuff).
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Dec. 17, 2012, 8:18 p.m. CST
The people who hate what they have seen so far are probably doing so because the new vision of Star Trek challenges what they think it should be.
by Rob Hill
They ought to instead accept it for what it is: entertainment.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 8:20 p.m. CST
AND WILL ONE DAY (IF EVERYONE ELSE IS LUCKY) DEEP-THROAT A GLOCK."
by Mark
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Dec. 17, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST
THANKS FOR SHARING WITH US "FAT FUCKS." BEING YOU MUST BE SO MUCH BETTER.
by Mark
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...funny stuff. LOL!!! It genuinely made me laugh out loud (especially the Montalban-having-a-real-chest thing--which I also believe). Bravo!!! *slow claps*
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Dec. 17, 2012, 8:24 p.m. CST
Liked everything about the trailer EXCEPT for that introductory music for the first half. Shelve it.
by Clio
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Is it true before each Transformers film he dumps his head in a pile of coke scarface style?
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Get a life, will you people? I mean for crying out loud, it's just a TV show!
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Its him. I can smell it
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Cryopods in a warehouse or bay. I say warehouse as you see maybe a stone wall out past the hallway...I don't buy "Casket" thoughts... looks like frost on Pod windows. SPOILER! Man on left looks like KHAN from Space Seed era!!! Note small pony tail and muscles... Man on right "could" be Harrison... or someone else. Giez (comments boborci??)
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Felt more like 30 seconds to me.<br> <br> <br> Must watch again!!
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Dec. 17, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST
Indeed. Although it appears that only one of us can stop BEING an ass. Good day.
by Rob Hill
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Very good observation about villains in cages. Just happened in SKYFALL too.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST
Food for thought guys and gals and that is lets not agitate certain trolls too much. Never know where else they'll take out there aggression at or on.
by Cedric Ford
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Live long and prosper.
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But apart from that, Trek movies aren't dark!
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Dec. 17, 2012, 9:09 p.m. CST
Poor vonotar, he tried to speak intelligently in an AICN talkback lol Some people come here for attention, others for discussion. Ignore the trolls.
by lox4444
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...about the saucer section rolling in the dirt like a puppy in Star Trek: Generations. I MEAN HOW UN-SCIENTIFIC! YOU'RE NOT A PUPPY, ENTERPRISE-D SAUCER SECTION!!
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It kind of implies that there won't be a Star Trek III. I liked but didn't love JJ's first Trek. . . it looked great, but I thought it needed a better script. . . here's hoping this one turns out well.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST
Actually Kobe/Bobo/Ajit..you missed the first story I've posted in months...
by conspiracy
over in the Bayformers forum, and my Hobbit opinions in Harolds review. I think I'm doing pretty good for a guy whose been on vacation for a month. Liked your Ad...format is wrong though. And I wouldn't take the 2nd assistant position 3rd class; I'm sure those guys don't pay enough.
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Im guessing Carol or Pike gets offed...
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Dec. 17, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST
ndally...Bay buys bulk, carried in the vaginas of 16yr old Columbian Sex Slave/Drug Mules
by conspiracy
"Dream Big, Too Much is Never Enough;...push the boundaries in all aspects of life you fuckers"-Michael Bay to the 2012 Graduating Class of Northridge Community College.
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Star Trek is dead to me. Films I'll be watching in the next few days: Le Samourai Sátántangó Gambling Apocalypse I will pay to see Pacific Rim. So there.
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Bob Orci, Kurtz and JJ from making? Is there anything major they would have changed? Big additions or new scenes? I don't know if this was ever really discussed? As I understand it they only made tiny change or two as they shot... In QoS Daniel Craig said they were rewriting as they went... so I guess that crew wasn't worried about getting in trouble.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 10:20 p.m. CST
Vonotar I was only kidding. You're just curious and excited about trek and bob
by ndally
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We are talking about the 23rd century where it has been shown the most spacefarers are masters of matter/antimatter annihilation, artificial gravity and force fields. Remember space is a vacuum. the Enterprise can easily submerge. Getting the starship back into space without adversely affecting the environment would be an interesting problem.
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“There’s greatness in you,” Bruce Greenwood rasps in voiceover, ” but there’s not an announce (sic) of humility. You think that you can’t make mistakes, but there’s going to come a moment when you realize you’re wrong about that. And you’re going to get yourself and everyone under your command killed.” <p> I'm begging for that moment.
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It IS Roberto Orci. It's been confirmed at least twice that I know of.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST
UH OH, LOOKS LIKE boborci CALLED IN HIS "FRIENDS" TO COME TO HIS DEFENCE!!!FACT!!! OH NO, WHAT WILL I DO AGAINST THE INTELLECTUAL GIANTS THAT WROTE THE TRANSFORMERS TRILOGY, PROMETHEUS AND DAWSON'S TREK 90210?!?FACT!!! WELL....
by CreepyThinManForever
evilsmokemonster, take your grade 3 grammar textbook and shove it up your cum encrusted asshole, faggot. Ironic given that 3rd graders are the level that Nu Trek appeals to what with all of its strobing lens flares and explosions not to mention the running and screaming in place of real storytelling. Kinda like how dipshits think that The Empire Strikes Back is the worst of the of the original Star Wars trilogy because it's not as action packed and actually focuses on story and character. mr_cranky, my complaint is that Nu Trek isn't Sci-fi anymore but now yet another generic action franchise. Classic Trek had ideas and concepts driving the best episodes. Nu Trek has explosions, running and whatever badly used sci-fi concept that the lazy fucks who make this trash need to push their story forward even if it doesn't make sense. cedhollywood, Roberto Orci, Robert Kurtzman, Damon Lindelof and Jar Jar Abrams do not, nor have they ever made "great entertainment". Their garbage is disposable and will be forgotten in the fullness of time. Everything they do is based upon something or a rip-off of something else. The shit they produce is the equivalent of Twight, Hunger Games or whatever the latest flavor-of-the-month wank that the brainless drones of suburban America latch onto. The shit they make will not last in the public consciousness. schizoschizo, "I'm a lawyer who runs a very successful law firm." Of what? A bunch of correspondence school trained lawyers who drive taxis to make a living while also chasing down ambulances?! Yet despite the enthralling mirth and hilarity that you worthless shitheads have provided NONE of you can give a simple explanation as to why Dawson's Trek 90210 is better than the nearly 50 year old show that it apes or how Nu Trek has done nothing but rake in cash, hand over fist, from the flotsam of society that line up for anything flashy with no substance which feeds their immediate want of simple entertainment but doesn't provide any nourishment for the mind.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 10:35 p.m. CST
Can almost hear the Paramount Exec upon reading about a major character dying...
by conspiracy
You can't do this! You can't kill ***, We already have a Merch deal with Playmates and gotten preliminary castings for the fucking action figure. Rewrite that shit!
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Dec. 17, 2012, 10:37 p.m. CST
Hmm? Oh, I'm not truly offended, lol. Nobody says "Good Day" anymore?
by Rob Hill
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Dec. 17, 2012, 10:38 p.m. CST
Has bob ever commented on any other talkbacks beyond the ones he's involved with?
by ndally
Wish we could click on user names to see past posts ala imdb. See what bob was like in the time before time.
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I don't think anyone is saying it's better than old trek's best stuff. I'm certainly not. I am saying it is much better than anything that was ever on/in Voyager, Star Trek 5, Insurrection, Generations, Nemesis and 1/2 of the original series. Abrams film is at least as good as The Motion Picture, Star Trek 3, Star Trek 4, and Star Trek 6 and First Contact. It's a fantastic Star Trek movie and a solid film on it's own. Yeah, it has problems--but so do the 5 movies listed above, and no one crucifies those.
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Many, many threads. Just search his user name. Should bring all the threads up he's ever posted in.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 10:42 p.m. CST
@kabong that was the 1st intelligent bit of hate I've read lol:
by lox4444
I was in a redneck pool hall once, on karaoke night, and a mentally challenged kid kept insisting on singing bye bye miss american pie every hour, on the hour. As he reached the "this will be the day that I die" line for the 3rd time in as many hours, am elderly cowboy, complete with 10 gallon hat and the whole get up, shouted "Promise me, son! Promise me!" Yea I'm drink but they're both funny lines lol.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 10:46 p.m. CST
proevad...I'm not sure it was better than TMP or 4, those were really Trek-ish
by conspiracy
but it was a fun film; I was entertained despite having some problems with the story...like all the coincidences, and Cadet to Captain promotion. Why does JJ Trek get Crucified? It was loud, flashy, more Star Wars than Star Trek...and amongst purists, that's like Pole Dancing in the Vatican.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 10:50 p.m. CST
I think the sad truth of the matter is that a truly intellectual film will not do well in American Science Fiction. The public at large simply will not understand it and it will bomb.
by Rob Hill
Anymore, you have to appeal to the lowest common denominator and then stick your highfalutin ideas where only the sharp will find them. And be sure to put lots of action in there so your greater audience doesn't get confused. Sigh.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 10:52 p.m. CST
I mean, look at a film like Primer. Hard sci-fi. Good story. Would never ever ever be released as a tent pole film.
by Rob Hill
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Dec. 17, 2012, 10:53 p.m. CST
@proevad Star Trek 6? How dare you. How dare you sir. How.....dare you. Wait...actually that's about right:
by lox4444
They both gave us something we didn't expect. While I, and many other 25-35 year olds, are sentimental about ST6, ST6 had the benefit of some sort of established political world to work within. Star Trek 09 didn't. It was working at a distinct disadvantage. IMO, the best episodes of TNG and DS9 were episodes that relied upon a pre-established political setting. And they gave us something we didn't see coming. I rank ST2 and ST6 as the best ever, but considering what they had to work with, I'll agree ST09 is in the ballpark.
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Learn to spell. It's wrath not rath However that said yes how dare they invoke that scene. Abrams trek is eh know why because ST was a tv show then movies and multi-decade addiction and most of u gobbled it up and those actors earned the films. Here w Abrams we have a bunch of actors who suddenly step into the joes of greatness and we are expected to buy it? No, not happening. This is not ST. DS9 was way better This is a fan-boy based script and with actors who are fans and 200 million budget But sorry this ain't my ST or my crew. They are too sacrosanct to me.
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This is a world where a fast pace, violent actions, and immediate gratification are the norm. There isn't a studio on the planet that would give the OK to something like 2001, or even Star Trek TMP these days...there is too much money at risk, and the chances of something like that bombing are pretty good. Would YOU Green Light something like ST:TMP if $150,000,000 and your entire career were resting on its success?
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Dec. 17, 2012, 10:58 p.m. CST
It's the same reason you'll probably never see a film based on Stephen Baxter's books.
by Rob Hill
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Please. Just have them realize that the ship is designed for space not high pressure from submerging thousand of feet so have them crash please into the Mariana Trench
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We all know where the best sci-fi is. We know what's out there to make us think. And that's the problem in America: IT MAKES. US. THINK. Too many films these days are pew pew pew, not enough are hmmmmmm. Honestly, what was the last film you saw that made you think in sci-fi?
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:04 p.m. CST
I'd love to see The Rama series, but it's too intellectual, not enough action for a modern film
by Rob Hill
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST
Lox4444...We give these guys a lot of grief...but this isn't an easy business today.
by conspiracy
Execs, writers, directors....the budgets are SO high, the demands on return SO great...that on these big films there is much more to consider than just a good story. These types of films are not art...this is commerce...BIG business; and they have to think about everything from toy tie ins, to potential future spin offs, to how well it will play overseas...where more than 1/2 of the total profit comes from, and whose audiences often have very dissimilar tastes. I used to be the WORST god damned critic of these types of films...but the more I learn about this business...the more I see the tightrope they all have to walk...between making something artistically satisfying, and something people will actually pay to go see.
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Not great numbers, but not too shabby considering the budgets. =I mean, look at a film like Primer. Hard sci-fi. Good story. Would never ever ever be released as a tent pole film= Now you're just being a dick.
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As a kid I found it depressing to watch.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:12 p.m. CST
I think ANVIL OF GOD / FORGE OF STARS would make a great single movie if you used ANVIL OF GOD as a prologue or killer first act
by Autodidact
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:12 p.m. CST
Most Audiences today, and I mean world wide, don't want to think...
by conspiracy
..they want to escape. People just want to have FUN...and I can't say I blame them. I just wish we could get a little ART mixed in with the pew pew pew...but I understand why that is difficult to do.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:13 p.m. CST
Can you call it ST2009 when you call it ST09 I get a headache trying to remember you're not talking about Insurrection
by Autodidact
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:14 p.m. CST
overrated-Speaking of District 9...are they ever gonna follow that up? Anyone?
by conspiracy
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It is possible I'm cynical about things like this. I saw I, Robot and was upset at the changes, but appreciated it for what it was. David Lynch's Dune also left me cold. So many things changed in the name of reaching a broader audience. If that make me a dick, so be it. But I truly lament the inability of a "hard" science fiction story to get going and hyped as much as your average Tim Burton film does.
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Assuming you meant First Contact and not Insurrection when you mentioned Trek 9, and just got your numbers wrong--or did you like Insurrection? I realize there are a few who do. I'm not one of them.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:37 p.m. CST
Can someone please edit the trailer, remove Alice Eve's scream? I'd like it a lot more.
by Hardboiled Wonderland
I'm still iffy about yet another "man seeks vengeance" plot, but I admit... this trailer makes the movie look like an awesome action scifi thriller. Whether it has Trek elements of the original series, we'll see. But I'll be in the theatre giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:37 p.m. CST
Speaking of ST:Insurrection when Picard and crew went back in time did they correct the timeline or create a alternate one?
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:38 p.m. CST
PS Dear BobOrci, my idea for Star Trek IV and whales
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Watch The Cove, watch Whale Wars. Have Japan still slaughtering innocent cetaceans in the 23rd century, and this provides a character angle to develop Sulu. No need to credit me, it's all yours mate. ;)
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:39 p.m. CST
Whatever happened to that rumor that Scorsese was going to direct Hyperion?
by dragon of sorcerer
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Well, according to Shatner's trek novels, it actually started the Spock with a beard Mirror Universe.
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I don't think you need to see out of a coffin. My money is still 90 percent on BC being Khan. The infiltration theory makes more and more sense.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:42 p.m. CST
And one of the 2 people leaving the room in that scene looks like a doctor of some kind
by Rob Hill
White coat and all. Yeah, I think those are cold-sleep stasis pods.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:45 p.m. CST
Since none of the books are canon the question still stands.
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:45 p.m. CST
Also, has anyone managed to identify what is on the ring that gets dropped in that glass yet?
by Rob Hill
I think it's a letter of some kind. English letters or possibly a Greek letter. Might be a symbol.
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Looks like perhaps a "K" or a delta or a lambda. May be the Starfleet symbol, even.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:53 p.m. CST
Here's a link to Memory Alpha's article on everything canonical about the mirror universe
by Rob Hill
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Mirror_universe
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Sometimes, Trekkers really have to stop being pretentious snobs.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 12:04 a.m. CST
Finally is Spock prime still on that ice planet? Will we see him again?
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 18, 2012, 12:09 a.m. CST
Ok, never mind, just blew it up on my TV. It's pretty definitely a Starfleet symbol on his ring.
by Rob Hill
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or "The Visitor" on the big screen. It's never going to happen and I don't give a damn who is directing it. The Trek films have to make money. No one is going to pay money to see Kirk waxing philosophically on the meaning of the prime directive for two hours. I understand that Trek is strongest when it's examining ideas, but you are only going to get that kind of Trek on TV for the most part. Plus, TV Trek had plenty of wall to wall action episodes. JJ Haters tend to ignore that fact.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 12:14 a.m. CST
Game of Thrones Season 3 - Leaked HFR 48fps Test Footage
by melbournecat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szg0EHos5lQ
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Dec. 18, 2012, 12:17 a.m. CST
conspiracy - Neill Blomkamp has apparently been told that a sequel would not be finacially viable
by evergreen
He's being diplomatic about it. I wouldn't hold my breath. District 9 made too many industry people feel uncomfortable.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 12:25 a.m. CST
pretentious-rr-douchebag - I want to see City on the Edge of Forever on the big screen
by evergreen
Trek movies are always going to make money. Why not demand quality?
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Whoever said "I never want to hear those four chords again in a movie soundtrack" is completely spot-on. So overused and unoriginal.
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Rewatched Space Seed. John Harrison was on the bridge of the Enterprise when Kahn cut off the Life Support to the bridge and Kirk recommends a accommodation for his service to the Enterprise I guess because he died in service? Nothing remarkable. So is this the same character? Also, if JJ flipped the script on the Star Trek Universe and Vulcan is no more, does that mean that Tuvok no longer exists? I guess T'Pol would still exist and the events of the Enterprise would still play out the same but would she still be alive at the time the planet was destroyed and did she die?
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Dec. 18, 2012, 12:44 a.m. CST
The hot hands in Hollyweird came up with that clunky logline:
by kabong
After the crew of the Enterprise find an unstoppable force of terror from within their own organization, Captain Kirk leads a manhunt to a war-zone world to capture a one man weapon of mass destruction. <p> At least they have twins dubbed Sexy Girl 1 and Sexy Girl 2. <p> Guaranteed hot movie of the summer. "Kirk" is going to get his boxers in a knot.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 12:49 a.m. CST
Also, call me crazy, but crashing starship does not look like the Enterprise.
by Rob Hill
New Enterprise is 2379 feet long. Roughly half a mile. That crashing ship looks too short to be the Big E. also, the nacelles are angled incorrectly. If anything, it resembles Archer's Enterprise.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 12:57 a.m. CST
Harrison or John Harriman, captain of Enterprise-B --> JJ can't spell.
by kabong
It doesn't have to make sense; this is NuTrek.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 1:07 a.m. CST
overrated..it wouldn't surprise me...he did so much with so little.
by conspiracy
And there is NOBODY in Hollywood who wants the $200M Tent Pole Gravy Train stopped. The way that film was made is road map to sanity in the industry...at $30M instead of $200M...studios could afford to take a few risks with material.
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I have been watching the interplay of Benedict Cumberbatch and Alice Eve in this video ( http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/174119-benedict-cumberbatch-and-alice-eve-talk-about-star-trek ) and wonder if I am imagining things... They discuss briefly how Carol Marcus in the divergent universe created by J.J. Abrams' Star Trek (the first film) may or may not have Kirk's son, as she did in Wrath of Kahn. The theme of "What would you do for your family?" seems to be a powerful key element of the trailers thus far... Could Harrisson be Kirk's son from the future, returned somehow to avenge his dead mother? Pure speculation here, but look at how the two play off one another in the video and tell me if you don't see something they are skirting around there... When she speaks of having Kirk's full grown son, and Cumberbatch says "You're too young" and they have this smirk and smile like two actors who are told they are playing mother and son...??? Or am I just full of it?
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also would like to Childhood's End as a movie. But all these stories are real sad with the end of Earth and humanity.. not sure how the movie audiences used to ID4 would like it.
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does it look/sound like Carol Marcus yells Khan?
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A guess is a guess, so how about this scenario: Since this is an alternate universe, anything's in play in my opinion. So, why couldn't the whole Decker / Ilia / V'ger story have actually played out (lol - just not in a movie in this universe) and the result of that "Space Seed" movie becomes --- John Harrison. ... and since I'm shooting for the moon in terms theater of the absurd, how about this ... Vger's son / John Harrison engages Kirk in hand-to-hand combat in front of a wormhole and John is thrown into the wormhole ... to emerge in the Delta quadrant. ((( SMASH CUT ))) We follow an obviously cloaked John walk into a drinking establishment in an unknown location / unknown world and walks up to the first person he sees and two tubes emerge from John and spike into the humanoid's neck. John turns to the camera and we see for the first time the ocular implant now covering John's left eye - and as John watches the nano-technology coursing through the stranger, he smiles looks up and announces to the entire bar "Welcome to Unimatrix 0. Prepare to be assimilated". ((( CUT TO BLACK ))) ... or it's Mitchell or Kahn.
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...let's make it dark and put dark in the title. After that feed AICN with snippets of information so that speculation can transform into nerd rage by the 100th talkback post I would also fire a lense flare torpedo as a catalyst to stoke up the fire maybe the darkness will come as a result of observing the Lenseflare dimension portal in the uncharted gamma quadrant
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Dec. 18, 2012, 2:29 a.m. CST
Maybe it's as simple as Harrison is an augment trying to free the captured Botany Bay. Those sure look like cryo tubes, as someone above said.
by American Mythos
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Dec. 18, 2012, 2:50 a.m. CST
It looks great!! Much better the Man of Steel..at least the actors look like they belong..not like Cavill who resembles my car mechanic then Supes!!
by Mr95
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Dec. 18, 2012, 3:02 a.m. CST
Trek & MoS face the same problem. Optimism is out of fashion.
by Octavian
A happy-go-lucky version of either would sink like a stone. I blame Alan Moore and Frank Miller.
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I'm with you. And I don't think you are full of it. I think you are spot on. Since seeing the trailers I have been convinced that this movie will be about "family". And not just the family that is Kirk's crew. Someone upstream (actually on a different blog, but no matter) made the inspired suggestion that Cumberbatch could be Kirk's son David--related to the original movie series, but different because the timeline was screwed up in the 2009 movie. And it would work. Kirk, a man in this new timeline denied a father, who discovers his son (from the future?) is a maniac bent on destroying everything he holds dear. Yeah, that sounds like a pretty cool plot to me. So, I'm with you @xoandre
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Dec. 18, 2012, 3:32 a.m. CST
BACK TO STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS: IN SPACE SEED, KHAN'S FIRST APPEARANCE IN THE ORIGINAL SERIES
by Mark
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Dec. 18, 2012, 3:33 a.m. CST
BONES HAS MERE SECONDS TO SAVE KHAN'S LIFE BEFORE HE DIES IN THE CRYO POD HE'S STORED IN
by Mark
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Dec. 18, 2012, 3:33 a.m. CST
IN THIS NEW UNIVERSE, BONES FAILS, KHAN DIES. NEXT POD OVER? JOHN HARRISON, GENETIC SUPERMAN FROM ENGLAND IN THE 1990S
by Mark
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Dec. 18, 2012, 3:34 a.m. CST
WHEN KIRK DOESN'T REVIVE THE REST OF THE BOTANY BAY'S CREW, HARRISON GETS VIOLENT
by Mark
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Dec. 18, 2012, 3:34 a.m. CST
KIRK LOCKS HIM IN THE BRIG, BRINGS HIM TO EARTH BY ORDER OF ADMIRAL PIKE
by Mark
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Dec. 18, 2012, 3:35 a.m. CST
A YEAR LATER, HARRISON STARTS HIS MISSION OF VENGEANCE AND TERRORISM AGAINST THE FEDERATION
by Mark
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Dec. 18, 2012, 3:35 a.m. CST
HE BLAMES STARFLEET FOR THE WAY THEY'VE HANDLED THE OTHER BOTANY BAY CREW (HIS "FAMILY") AND BONES FOR THE DEATH OF KHAN
by Mark
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Dec. 18, 2012, 3:36 a.m. CST
PETER WELLER'S CHARACTER IS ONE OF THE INSIDERS WHO WANTS TO DIVIDE THE FEDERATION FROM WITHIN AND USES HARRISON FOR THIS PURPOSE
by Mark
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With all the positive and negative attributes that entails.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 4:42 a.m. CST
once again Harrison goes all mass genocide on the human race because Kirk just Kirk won't revive the botany bay crew and bones couldn't save Khan?
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 18, 2012, 4:45 a.m. CST
How exactly does wiping out all of earth which Harrison is from justify his revenge? Shoot Kirk and Bones and find a docile planet to rule seems like a better plausible reason.
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 18, 2012, 4:49 a.m. CST
Unless Harrison has a IQ of 85 I really don't see a genetic super man destroying his home world because of bureaucracy.
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 18, 2012, 4:53 a.m. CST
Lol what are Harrison's plans after the earth is devistated? Lol!
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 18, 2012, 4:55 a.m. CST
Finally "John Harrison" doesnt have the vengeful tone in his name as say Khan Noonian Sigh! Lol!
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 18, 2012, 4:57 a.m. CST
Don't get me wrong I love ST and can't wait for the next one but if supersoilder plot synopsis is real then I'm going to be laughing at this comedy sham. Lol!
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 18, 2012, 6:28 a.m. CST
Boborci's uncle is blind, death, dumb and he doesn't have any limbs - because nobody with all faculties in place would in their right mind approve of such garbage
by AllThosePowers
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I can see Khan not dying but Harrison being the only one awoken. And then him trying to retrieve everyone so he causes big messes to divert from his real mission, and the 3rd movie is Khans return.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 7:22 a.m. CST
If they really take Khan out like Hicks and Newt in Alien3, there will be trouble...
by Margot Tenenbaum
...not from Trek continuity freaks, but from the almighty general audience who are expecting to see fucking Khan again.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 7:24 a.m. CST
I'm more and more warming to the idea of The Bottany Bay, or at least the cryo-pods, being the Macguffin.
by lox4444
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So Bones dies ?
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And he knows how to spell "pedophile."
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...does not mean Enterprise is a submarine, you fools.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST
I don't know. Reminds me of Return to the Planet of the Apes.
by ratpack223
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But sex is real & Captain Kirk is a character written down in a script & played by actors so my sex wins every time.....this is a real, 100%, 24 carrot, scientifically endorsed, fact! BTW i do dip my toe in sci-fi when i have da sex with da girlfriend, she dresses up like Barbarella, well actually like Kylie dressing up as Barbarella in the 'put yourself in my place video' :)
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Dec. 18, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST
Liked the 1st film and what we've seen so far of the sequel...
by The Eskimo
...but its not really Start Trek. Young cocky punk Kirk gets "legacied" into the Federation and promoted to captain of the flagship cause he did some heroic stuff one time? That stretch almost ruined the first film for me, but I was able to overlook it for the sake of moving the story along. But now it's all this running around on planets, and future city-scapes of Earth, and what not...that is not Star Trek. The main character in Star Trek is the Enterprise. Everyone else, including Kirk and Spock, are supporting characters that live and work on a ship that is supposed to be EXPLORING parts of the universe where no one has gone before. And then we see their adventures along the way. Maybe we just need to get another TV series to get back to the bones of Trek. Star Trek: The Third Generation, maybe? Oh well, I'll still see this even though their just borrowing the Trek brand for the cred.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST
Hey who knows kirk's middle name before it was changed to Tiberius? You win if you know.
by UltraTron
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Dec. 18, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST
Roddenberry's son is a total dweef queef. At least he made a doc about his dad.
by UltraTron
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A sad Man of Steel teaser and now a sad Star Trek teaser? WTF happened to fun and joy?
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Oh well. I guess I won't see this trailer then.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST
@cuervojones ...Katt Williams smackin an audience member at a comedy show
by lox4444
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Dec. 18, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST
drstrangerlove thats awesome man you should go post that in the sex life talkback
by Stephen
www.aintitcool.com/node/ohwaitthisisamoviesite
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Dec. 18, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST
heh *.....this is a real, 100%, 24 carrot, scientifically endorsed, fact!*
by DrMorbius
again ... China rejoices!
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This is a movie, not a TV show and it can be grittier than the TV show and still reflect the canons of Trek. If I didn't know any better, I would have a feeling that in a way, this 2nd movie will have some form of cliffhanger to the 3rd. (for there will be a 3rd movie, for sure) Anyways, I loved the reboot, and I'm looking forward to this movie. The trailers are only making me further anticipate the movie, they don't give out too much, and to me, that's how a trailer should be. Now, let's face it, imagine how much darker the story of Picard being abducted by the Borg could have been if it had been a movie instead of a TV show. No, I think Abrams is on the right track and I think that this will be great! Cheers!
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When they're folding the federation flag and showing the fighters flying in the missing man formation they show what appears to be 30 or so coffins. The coffins have windows with frost on them, like what you might find in a sleeper ship.
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I wouldn't think either movie will hurt each other's wallets. Both of these movies will more than likely have the same audience. Everybody likes Superman and this new reboot will intrigue everybody for sure, the new costume, and Nolan's backing will make it a must-see movie. As for Star Trek Into the Darkness, well, the first Star Trek movie did something which was totally unexpected, it appealed to trekkies and non trekkies alike. So, again, I don't think either movies will suffer at the box office, 2013 is indeed looking to be an awesome year for geek movies! :)
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crashed the Enterprise into San Francisco Bay. <p> Or tried to homage Michael Bay. <p> It doesn't have to make sense; it's NuTrek.
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You know, guess i'm not that much of a geek when it comes to who is making up the sci-fi, but I see many of you flaming at boborci. I didn't realize his role as co-writer/producer. Now, for what its worth, he's got a job and he's getting paid, so, the rest of you, seriously, are you jealous of this guy? Why are you bashing at him? If you have movie ideas, wouldn't you want to be able to talk to him instead? I would! Sheesh!
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Dec. 18, 2012, 11 a.m. CST
Here's a great photo of the cryo-tubes(?) from the trailer. It's hard to tell who the 2 men in the background are:
by lox4444
http://scifanatic.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/stid-t2-18.jpg
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...why are you here? It's not to read anyone else's opinion, obviously, or you have read that the Enterprise was NOT coming OUT of the water, rather heading INTO it. And as for the rest of your complaints... PFFFT! Trek has always been about fun. This trailer looks fun. Whiners shut up!
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Dec. 18, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST
If those are in fact cryo tubes, well, Harrison's gotta be a Kahn lacky doesn't he?
by FreeBeer
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Iron Man 3 will be fun. And, why not? even Man of Steel. But the three movies have the same SAD and SERIOUS trailer. What's the point?
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they didn't have Doc McCoy on board to revive Khan in time. So he's just one of the dead frozen super men from those cryo chambers. In fact, that could be ballsy. In this alternative timeline Khan indeed didn't make it... So NO WRATH! NO KHAN! And I'D like to think, that is what might be going on. Another WRATH OF KHAN or SPACE SED - rehashed - would/could be very boring....
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Dec. 18, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST
The guy on the right in that photo, behind the cryo-tubes, looks like it could be Harrison. That's a big assumption though.
by lox4444
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Dec. 18, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST
SEED, not SED... sad, but true. Edit Button still missing...
by wtriker1701
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I want to see angry talkbackers with their bellies hanging out of Starfleet uniforms. The casting call is as follows: Bellies must be hairy preferably ginger Must not have a girlfriend Naturally showers less than 3 times a week Must have high intolerance to lense flare Goes to bed with the mantra 'George Lucas %aped my childhood' Must be able to rant in 200 words or more on mere speculation from fan sites covering major sci-fi and fantasy titles please contact Migmog Casting Inc!!
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Dec. 18, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST
Has anyone considered that the Khan in this film is probably Chaka?
by migmog
Atleast the title track will be full of funky soul right...imagine a surreal scene of the crew bodypopping to 'Aint No Body' in 3D LOL MAKE IT SO!!!
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with the popular speculation of how this is a variation on Space Seed, if Bardem or Del Toro were originally going to be Kahn but after Abrams hired that cracker Cumberbatch he decided to change the story to Harrison.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST
allthosepowers - my uncle has forgotten more about Trek than you will ever know.
by Boborci
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You had fun writing Khan out of the script, killing him with your bare writing skills. That's what 3-dimensional thinking is all about, isn't it? And The Botany Bay still exists. One dead Khan makes the difference! Ha, I got it! See above...
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Dec. 18, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST
uh oh orci's back! Somebody get creepythinman to make hissing noises and scare him away again
by Stephen
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Dec. 18, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST
personally I think everybody just wants it to be khan because its "Star Trek 2"
by Stephen
but a big part of the original Star Trek 2 was that Kirk had already done his captaining and had moved on to admiral, and it was a comeback story. This is very young kirk starting out. If you ask me they oughta wait on khan until movie 6 or 7 (if they get that far) and just call it Star Trek 7: Wrath of Khan and it'll be pretty much a remake. but i guess we'll know soon enough.
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I have been reading AICN for a long time, and while your comments are HILARIOUS. They are spot-on...... Fuck Gonzo Abrams.... Fuck the new Star Treks.... Fuck everything Hollywood is re-hashing over and over, again and again with their mindless eye candy shit...... Hollywood excutives needs to be replaced.... Fuck em all..... CLASSIC STAR TREK LIVES.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST
ORCI MAKE THE VILLAIN IN #3 A SHATNER-SHAPED SPACE BLOB COME TO CONSUME THE EARTH PLZ!!!
by Stephen
Star Trek: Vengeance of TOS
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Dec. 18, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST
CEDHOLLYWOOD: TRY THE CLEAR THE SHIT OUT OF YOUR EARS WHICH YOU CALL A BRAIN AND UNDERSTAND:
by Mark
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Dec. 18, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST
A) I DIDN'T WRITE THIS. I'M TELLING YOU WHAT I'VE LEARNED ABOUT THE PLOT. DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER.
by Mark
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Dec. 18, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST
B) AT NO POINT IN THE TWO TRAILERS OR PROLOGUE DOES HARRISON EVER SAY HE'S OUT FOR REVENGE AGAINST KIRK.
by Mark
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Dec. 18, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST
HARRISON WANTS REVENGE ON THE FEDERATION FOR WHAT IT DOES IN THE INTEVENING YEAR BETWEEN THE FINDING OF THE BOTANY BAY
by Mark
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Dec. 18, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST
AND THE STORAGE OF THE REST OF ITS CREW. HARRISON WANTS TO AVENGE THAT HE WAS DENIED HIS "FAMILY" AND KIRK HAPPENS TO BE IN THE WAY
by Mark
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Dec. 18, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST
MIGMOG: KEEP YOUR SANCTIMONIUS, "I'M COOLER THAN TREK FANS" BULLSHIT TO YOURSELF. YOU ARE VERY LIKELY
by Mark
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Dec. 18, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST
A DISEASE-RIDDEN, CUM-GARGLING HOMO WHO CARES MORE ABOUT THE LATEST SEASON OF PROJECT RUNWAY THAN STAR TREK.
by Mark
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Dec. 18, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST
Not bad. Seemed like half Man of Steel, Half Iron Man 3... now no more teasers until release, please.
by AdmiralXizor
You don't need to convince anyone else to see the movie - we're all going, even the haters.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST
>>Remember space is a vacuum. the Enterprise can easily submerge.
by ObiBen
Riiiiiiiiiight...Now pick up your crayons and go to bed...
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The Apollo lunar lander can easily submerge.
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An anvil can easily float
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An apple can easily just hang in mid air
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Dec. 18, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST
remember its the 24th century they can build something that can fly in space and underwater if they fuckin want.
by Stephen
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People will buy anything
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So thinking is hard
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Dec. 18, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST
Supersoldier keep you 'I need block capitals to get noticed thing' to yourself
by migmog
If your belly hangs out the bottom of your starfleet suit your hired btw lol (Please be ginger ftw lmao)
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but I cannot think where...........lol
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Dec. 18, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST
Oh and btw super I didn't say I was cooler than Trek fans......
by migmog
I just like to come and read the tail end of a thread to get the maximum nerd rage effect lol Oh and occasionally stoke the fire lol
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Dec. 18, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST
Idiots! James Cameron is building his house on the bottom of the pacific
by Darth Macchio
Not in the Marianas specifically but on the 'cliff' edge so he'll have a nice view. He and his brother (Harpo) have already invented a 'riding submersible lawnmower' for the kelp beds on the back 40. So if Cameron can do it, so can Boborci and Jjabrahms. Now stop with the kicking!
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Dec. 18, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST
if by homo you mean sapien then yes and if by cum you mean female - yup guilty as charged
by migmog
you paint quite a picture there though I wonder if you have any experience in the activity you describe. I liver in a thriving gay community. I am neither threatened or uncomfortable with different sexuality from mine. Embrace your inner female lol
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Dec. 18, 2012, 4:20 p.m. CST
don't wanna just respond to trolls, so thanks to all who are meeting us half way with an open mind!
by Boborci
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We get it. You make money being a shitty writer. No need to rub it in.
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You need to watch the movie again, bud. He wasn't on that ice planet by the end of the movie. He meets young Spock and takes leading duties in helping his people settle on a new home.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST
For those who missed it, Paramount released a new(altered) plot synopsis today. All it really adds is that Kirk pursues "those responsible" in "defiance of regulations". Anyhow here it is:
by lox4444
Here's the full synopsis: "In the wake of a shocking act of terror from within their own organization, the crew of The Enterprise is called back home to Earth. In defiance of regulations and with a personal score to settle, Captain Kirk leads his crew on a manhunt to capture an unstoppable force of destruction and bring those responsible to justice. As our heroes are propelled into an epic chess game of life and death, love will be challenged, friendships will be torn apart, and sacrifices must be made for the only family Kirk has left: his crew."
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Dec. 18, 2012, 5:31 p.m. CST
boborci COMES HERE BECAUSE HE SPENDS SOO MUCH TIME SUCKING COCK THAT HE WANTS THE FAVOR RETURNED AND THINKS WE'LL OBLIGE JUST BECAUSE HE SOLD HIS SOUL TO MAKE CASH FOR WRITING TRASH!!!FACT!!!
by creepythinmanrises
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...obviously this is just a theory, but the shot of Harrison in the cell with Kirk and Spock looking on? Everyone is assuming that it's a villain interrogation scene. What if it's actually Harrison - an Enterprise crew member - being locked up for his own good or for his own protection or for the safety of the rest of the crew? Suppose he has been infected or changed in some fashion and the result is that Kirk has to make a decision about what to do with him. It's a classic "tough call" that a Captain has to make, after all, so perhaps this could lead to a moment where Kirk decides to leave Harrison on a planet somewhere for the safety of the crew. That would certainly make him coming back in some way for revenge understandable, wouldn't it? He's pissed that he was abandoned simply for having done his job, which wound up changing him or infecting him or whatever. Changed would be my first call as we see him do a superhuman leap in one of the trailers.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST
creepythinman -- I never had to sell my soul -- Didn't have one to begin with.
by Boborci
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Dec. 18, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST
overrated -- try as hard as I can never to rub it in. Just thanking folks.
by Boborci
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...that the original plan Kirk hatched for dealing with Gary Mitchell in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" involved marooning him on Delta Vega because Kirk didn't want to have to kill him.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 5:44 p.m. CST
overrated -- try to never rub anything in -- just wanted to thank folks.
by Boborci
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Dec. 18, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST
The "personal score to settle"....this is gonna be about avenging Pike's death, right? Then it turns into a reverse Wrath of Khan, where Kirk goes too far in a quest for vengence?
by lox4444
It ties into the Kirk/Spock dynamic pretty well too, would lead to a good conflict between the two of them.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST
I just saw the first 9 minutes attached to the IMAX/3D Hobbit
by Caliswag
It was AMAZING. I am really optimistic for this movie now. Everything I hoped for and more.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST
Actually, the synopsis also says the crew is "the only family he has left", so I guess his brother and mother bite it too.
by lox4444
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Dec. 18, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST
boborci, YOU'RE A $1000 A WEEK WHORE AND YOU KNOW IT YOU FUCKING HACK!!! WHERE'S YOUR NETWORK, YOUR TAXI DRIVER, YOUR CHINATOWN?!?FACT!!! BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THE WORST THING IS....
by creepythinmanrises
It's that despite the unearned success you and your fellow butt buddies (Kurtzman, Lindelof, Abrams) have managed to obtain with your particular brand of mediocrity, you have done NOTHING with that to show that you are capable of anything more than being the shit flinging script monkey that you are. Your fluffer Kurtzman made a fucking movie and what was it? The worst kind of middling made-by-committee shit imaginable. You're also a shameless shitbag who was more than happy to take money and credit for Transformers Revenge of the Fallen which was little more than RACIST MILITARY PROPAGANDA. You will NEVER have the respect of anyone. The people closest to you only care about your status. There's a big fucking number on your forehead and you'll see how much your "friends" care about you when that number drops. This is why you're soo fucking pathetic, that you troll a movie website shithole like AICN for compliments because of all the false ones you get in real life. But the sad fact is that this is the only place where you get any real honesty. You fucking SUCK, we tell you so and offer honest criticism but like some grade school shithead you no doubt say to yourself "well, you're just jealous because I'm rich and famous". Would I want the money you have? I'd be lying if I said no but I wouldn't want it at the cost that you have to pay every day of being a douchebag who is known the world over as a talentless hack that makes fucking garbage for the lowest common denominator which will be forgotten in the trash heap of cinema history.
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Can we just have a conversation about Star Trek? Instead of throwing insults at a guy who couldn't care less what you or I think, how about talking to me and other people here about your theories on the new Trek film and what you think of the info we've glimpsed from the trailers?
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Dec. 18, 2012, 5:57 p.m. CST
I know I said I try to never rub it in so don't read unless you are creepy thin fuck
by Boborci
But I don't even get out of bed for 1 k.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST
boborci, "I never had to sell my soul -- Didn't have one to begin with." THAT IS PAINFULLY CLEAR BASED UPON THE SHIT YOU SCRIBBLE THAT RESEMBLES AN IMITATION OF LIFE WITHOUT HUMANITY!!!FACT!!!
by creepythinmanrises
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Dec. 18, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST
It would be a great reveal if, halfway through the film, we find out who Harrison is when, in the middle of a conversation, he abandons his alias and switches into Khan's accent.
by lox4444
I'm certain that won't be the case, but it would be brilliant misdirection as far as audience manipulation goes.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST
boborci, OF COURSE YOU MISS THE POINT OF MY $1000 DOLLAR-A-WEEK QUOTE!!! BECAUSE YOU ARE, IN FACT, A FUCKING RETARD!!!FACT!!! BUT LET ME SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU ONCE AGAIN.....
by creepythinmanrises
In Rod Serling's Playhouse 90 script called The Velvet Alley, Art Carney is a writer who sells his first script and goes Hollywood, abandoning those who supported him until he's surrounded by the type of phonies that you are no doubt familiar with. But the critical scene is where Carney meets Leslie Nielsen who plays an alcoholic burnout who lays it out simple enough that even a shiteating mouth breather like you can understand. He says "you know how they do it Ernie? They give you $1000 a week. And they keep on giving you $1000 a week until that's what you need to live on. And then after that you live every day, you're afraid they'll take it away from you." Now, how is this different than, say, the rest of us working class slobs who work just to make a living? Well, as a writer, which is what you claim to be, your purpose is to create something artificial and make it seem real and the work that stands the test of time is that which has the smell of truth to it. And this is why the shit you put your name to has no resonance and is forgotten within 15 minutes after people leave the theater. It has no humanity because you have no soul. You're no better than a $2 crack whore and are content just as long as you get your $1000 a week.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST
creepythin -- you suffer from the delusion that I am insulted.
by Boborci
I claim nothing. Any claims you attribute to me are in your mind.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST
creepythin -- but I appreciate all the attention! thousands of words you've devoted to me. Thanks!
by Boborci
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Dec. 18, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST
I'm not even gonna pirate this shit. Let me know when Hollywood starts caring about decent scripts again
by Larry_Sanders
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Dec. 18, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST
boborci, SAY, WHERE'S YOUR GOOD BUDDY DON MURPHY?!? WHY IS HE NOT HERE TO DEFEND YOU?!? OH, THAT'S RIGHT, YOU'RE DOING NOTHING FOR HIM SO HE DON'T GIVE A FUCK!!!FACT!!! I LOVED IT BACK IN 2009.....
by creepythinmanrises
During Harry's Transformers Revenge of the Fallen review talkback when Donny Two Chins was calling you a "prince and a gentleman". I wonder what he calls you behind your back now that you're out of his life? Does he ever call you and say "hey, man, what are you up to? Let's hang out!". Oh I'm sure you think you're close to Kurtzman but he's just waiting until he gets a better offer and you'll be out the fucking door. Unless you two are indeed ass bandits, as it's well rumoured on various websites, and enjoy sucking each others cocks in which case you'll both die of AIDS pretty soon methinks.
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... IMAX preview was orgasmic - let there be TREK!!!
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I get it. It hurts to be you. It's okay. It's not your fault. Go ahead and cry. I am here for you.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST
boborci, I KNOW YOU CRAVE RESPECT AND THINK THAT SLOBBERING FANBOYS VALIDATE YOUR EXISTENCE!!!FACT!!! YOU SEE, I KNOW WHAT IS IN YOUR HEART.....
by creepythinmanrises
You want money and status but have a subconscious fear that the people in your life are only interested in you because of your place in the Hollywood food chain. And you should be afraid because I can't imagine why someone would want to associate with a witless dullard like you who writes meaningless wank. And you know that you have nothing to offer than the simplistic refuse you put your name to because otherwise you would have done something worthwhile by now. Hey, I don't begrudge you a paycheck but the hour is getting late and you have yet to prove yourself anything more than the Hollywood equivalent of a Mexican day laborer. You have no quality beyond your, I'm guessing exceptional, knob gobbling skills which have gotten you this far but the mindless shit you script will ensure that you join the ranks of countless coin operated scribes who are content to do substandard work providing you get your $1000 a week. You have no pride in what you do and it's only your vanity that keeps you coming back here for abuse which is the only real honesty you get in this world. I feel bad that even with all of the opportunities afforded to you that you're incapable of doing better. But then, as you yourself said, you have no soul and won't get out of bed for $1000 which is all anyone needs to know about the endless black void where your humanity should be.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 7:15 p.m. CST
boborci, YOU ARE FUCKING BORING ME!!! ARE ONE SENTENCE RESPONSES REALLY THE BEST YOU CAN DO?!?FACT!!! HEY, I HEARD YOUR MOTHER IS A FILTHY COCKSUCKING WHORE WHO.......
by creepythinmanrises
Got pregnant with you while getting ass fucked face down in a Mexican abortion clinic garbage can eating a human-donkey hybrid! I hear her nick name was The Tijuana Trench because by the time she was 12 her stinking cunt was gaping soo wide from all the big black cock she had stuffed in her by that age that not even James Cameron would dare venture into its cavernous depths.
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Kirk and Bones go over that cliff because the Enterprise is underwater THERE, on THAT planet, ready to save their asses. The previous trailer's shot of the Enterprise rising up out of the water violates the Prime Directive because they know that if they stay true to the PD and don't haul ass outta there, there won't BE a Federation to demand the Prime Directive be maintained.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST
LMFAO!!!! Never realized it until now - - but you guys with the "I've seen _____ for about a month now" thing is freaking hilarious because I went and read Harry's REACHER REVIEW...
by Astronut
FUCKING HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BEST MEME IN AGES!!!!!
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Dec. 18, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST
boborci ... Will the 9 minutes of footage ever make it to the interwebs?
by DrMorbius
Dearly would like to see it.
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...I got three new people--all newbies in anything Star Trek--wanting to see it: a ridiculously smoking hot chick, a nerdy Asian who just thought Star Trek was for "my dad's generation," and a Jehovah's Witness. A f*cking Jehovah's Witness!!! That's like getting Helen Keller into porn.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 7:36 p.m. CST
drmorbius -- sadly, that is not the plan right now, but you never know.
by Boborci
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Dec. 18, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST
Boborci: Regarding the "Peter Weller is playing a CEO" thing, will you go on record as saying that is the truth, and Peter Weller is not playing Khan?
by lox4444
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Dec. 18, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST
HEY YO - - CREEPYFUCKHEAD - - you can hate on NuTrek, that's fine, you can hate on Orci, Abrams, the writing, all of that, I get it. But have some fucking CLASS, dude.
by Astronut
No need to act like a fucking teenager lobbing vitriol. WTF, man? Serious. Grow up. The guy has made a small fortune, I'm sure, with his writing talents, even though I'm not down w Transformers et al.... but I think the first NuTrek was pretty good. It appeals to today's generation. And I am a DIE-HARD TOS FAN, man. I am 47 years old but I know that times change and Trek was irrelevant before Orci, Abrams and company injected new life into it. You think you could do any better with a script? You're a fucking minor league NOTHING. And you're IRRELEVANT not to mention childish and fucking ridiculous. Go jump off a cliff, ass wad.
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...you give trolls a bad name. And this is from someone who's been called "troll" a lot.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 7:48 p.m. CST
lox444 -- would love to answer, but we don't wanna spoil the story.
by Boborci
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to very small portions of the internet. 95% at RT. Dat quality.
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There was not major change of the kind you speak of when shooting began. However, as I've said before, the actors were so in the zone with their characters this time that we made great changes based on their insights into what they were going through in this story. Though the structure remained the same, their input pushed us to make the script even better for their characters.
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You seem like a real serious loser. Maybe its only your 'online' personality, but usually people like you who write comments such as yours, normally, are ugly, boring, eat Cheetos, have a small orange dick... and are one hand typist. I will admit, this isn't first hand knowledge, it's all hearsay, but I would guess that you were one of those guys who even their mother wouldn't want to accompany to the prom. Anyways it was fun insulting you, and guess what, I can't call you an asshole, because, an asshole has a purpose, and you don't. May all your fingers turn to sandpaper! :)
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when remorseless reptiles like Cameron1 and CreepyThinMan would have amused me... That time has long since passed. Harry, when in the world are you going to banish the obvious trolls here? They really aren't that hard to find. Oh, and thanks Bob Orci for taking the time to post. Some of us understand you are a busy person.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST
what would be really cool is the movie ending with Benicio Del Toro's Khan being unfrozen from his cryo-tube.
by American Mythos
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Dec. 18, 2012, 9:18 p.m. CST
JJ specifically stated that Benicio is not playing Khan, a few days before negotiations broke down. At the time....
by lox4444
we thought it meant Benicio would be playing another character. Then that weekend, entertainment news reported that negotiations broke down over money. So what we originally thought he meant: "Benicio's character in the film is not Khan" became a question of "did he mean Benicio is not playing Khan because negotiations broke off, or Benicio is not playing Khan because Khan is not in the film?"
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The series died a couple minutes after Roddenberry came up with the first script. Since they, they took a seemingly interesting premise and never came through with any worthwhile ideas whatsoever.
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Seriously? Star Trek has been one of the most influential sci-fi ever. Perhaps we can also put Forbidden Planet also as great piece of work for its time. Roddenberry planted the seeds for a show which basically created 7 movies, several cartoons, 5 TV series, several hundred books, comics, etc.. And not counting here the rebooted movie and its sequel. Roddenberry was a visionary for his time. And his work was in some ways prophetic. He was a consultant for NASA and then used NASA consultants for his show. Several devices that we use today have been inspired by people who were fans of the show and wanted to make that technology happen. Whether its a cellphone or a tablet, etc. You don't like Star Trek, then don't. But it is an inspiring show in more ways than you can think and Roddenberry did good.
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props for the Forbidden Planet reference!
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creepythinmanrises - "hey Bob, you suck cok in hell, if I wrote (30 paragraphs snipped).. so FUCK OFF!" Boborci - "I make lotsa money, I'm a Hollywood guy, blah, blah, blah, nobody rules the night but me, I'm the atomic punk... wait, what did ya call me?!?" creepythinmanrises - "Cuntfuckshitcockquimtwilightzonestartrekballpussy....." Bobafet or whatever dumb screen name it is - "Ye be dirt beneath my hymen. Doth noteth worth my attention. Thus, shalt I reply 150 more times to prove my pointeth." You people fuckin' crack me up.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 2:49 a.m. CST
astronut, 47 HUH?!? DOES YOUR COCK STILL WORK AT THAT AGE?!? PROBABLY NOT!!!FACT!!!
by creepythinmanrises
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Dec. 19, 2012, 2:52 a.m. CST
houbou, A SINGLE TEAR RUNS DOWN MY CHEEK AT YOUR PROFOUND PSYCHOLOGICAL INSIGHT!!! I AM CRUSH, NO REALLY, MY LOWER LIP IS TREMBLING!!! STUPID CUNT!!!FACT!!!
by creepythinmanrises
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Dec. 19, 2012, 2:54 a.m. CST
teddy artery - "HMMM, THANK YOU boborci, FOR BLESSING US PEASANTS WITH YOUR PRESENCE, OH GREAT GAZOO, FOR THAT $1000 A WEEK HOW MANY COCK HAVE YOU BLEW?!?"!!!FACT!!!
by creepythinmanrises
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Dec. 19, 2012, 2:58 a.m. CST
FORBIDDEN PLANET IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF STAR TREK MOVIE WE WILL NEVER GET FROM SCUM LIKE boborci!!!FACT!!! A MOVIE WHERE THE VILLAIN IS THE SUBCONSCIOUS ID OF A MAN WHO BELIEVES HIMSELF TO BE CIVILIZED!!! THAT KIND OF INTELLIGENCE GETS IN THE WAY OF PEW-P
by creepythinmanrises
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Dec. 19, 2012, 3 a.m. CST
GETS IN THE WAY OF THE BRAND OF PEW-PEW-PEW KABOOM TYPE MINDLESS FUCKING GASH THAT A DOUCHEBAG LIKE boborci WRITES!!!FACT!!!
by creepythinmanrises
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I can't recall a single bad film in his resume. While he may have some mediocre ones he's by no means a subpar director. On the other hand. This trailer looked incredible. Consider me sold.
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I mean give the man his due. That movie could of been a total disaster or marginal at best, surely nothing that would of warranted a sequel.
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I can't recall a single good film in his resume. While he have nothing but mediocre ones, he's by no means a good director. On the other hand this trailer looked terrible. Consider me unconvinced. The coin flip game is fun!
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A ripping yarn space adventure set in a very compeling and interesting SF universe. Capable storytelling. Interesting characters acting like believably intelligent beings, humans and aliens alike. Interesting stories. Interesting dilemmas solved intelligently and in unexpected ways. Cool mysteries and unexpected solutions. Intelligence. Literary references to classics of literature enough to compel viewers to check them out if they do not know them beforehand. Some references to real science and interesting ways to present what is today theoretical science into practical everyday use. Speculation of the future of mankind. Visual and aural presentation that help told the story. You know, all the good things we come to expect from the Star Trek name. Things not to expect from Star Trek: A Michael Bay movie set in space with questionable aestetic choices that only serve to show off the ego of the filmmaker. Disrespect from the franchise he's borrowing the name from. And disrespect to the audiences' intelligence.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 5:22 a.m. CST
It always amuses me to see Bob Orci holding court at a Abrams Trek related thread.
by AsimovLives
And to see his sycophants washing his feet, polishing his apple and singing him hossanas for being co-responsible for one of the dumbest movies made in the 2000 decade. Fun!
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Dec. 19, 2012, 5:36 a.m. CST
We know that Abrams directs (badly), that Orci is responsible for the bad plots and Lindeloff is the teams' pseudo-intellectual. But what the hell does Kurtzman do?
by AsimovLives
He's the tea boy?
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Can't be worst then the one we will get, can it? Certainly would be better then the one for the first movie. That one was amateur-ville. It read like a first draft that should had been sent to the trashcan because it was too dumb for the screen.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 8:57 a.m. CST
As for my opinion about this movie's trailers/teasers/whatever, for those who might care (and why would you?)
by AsimovLives
I'm underwhelmed. It's the typical Michael Bay movie trailer. And those never impress me in the least. They even cause an adverse reaction to me. Also, i see a lot of deja vu in them, stuff i saw in the first movie, or stuff from others, much better movies. Also, repetition. How many times can i see somebody falling from great heighs again and again? Boring! Really, what's the deal with people jumping from great heighs with this movie? Are they going to use Van Halen's "Jump" song to go with it? Since they misused Beastie Boys' "Saboutage" in the first movie, why not do it again in the new one? Keep continuity. I'm not bothered with the Abramsprise raising up from the sea. The classic Enterprise could take in the impact of a few photon torpedoes even without shields, so the notion it can resiste a few atmosphere pressures from sea water is not a big deal to me. The reason why it's submerged, however, is another matter. It's pretty dumb. Dumb as seeing the Abramsprise being build on Earth just for the sake of a "cool" shot. Same thing here, it seems: again going for the cool shot, but based on idioticy and the general don't give a shit attitude the permeated the first movie. I know will not be disapointed with the new movie. Because i'm not expecting much to begin with, thanks to how terrible the first movie was. The fun will be to watch the ways Team Abrams will dumb down the new movie. Also, given the teasers/trailers indications, how much they will repeat stuff from the first movie. And the Star Wars movies, of course.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST
Pioneering trailer about the pioneer movie by pioneer filmmaker JJ Abrams about the pioneering plot of a villain on a path of vengence. Lots of pioneering stuff there.
by AsimovLives
Pioneering Star Trek movie about people not pioneering in space but about villains revenging... again... and again. Can't wait for the 3rd movie in the Abrams Trek saga about a villains who will be revenging about something or somebody. Maybe the 3rd movie the villain will be that admiral revenging on Scotty for what he did to his dog. So to keep on the revenge theme started with the first movie.
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I really would like to read one. The guy is obviously smart, very well read, and funny in an over-the-top, emphatically angry way. He seems to have something to say about everything. I think he could probably write a very good one, though I'm thinking it would be a postmodern comedy/genre-exploring fandom study and not necessarily the hard sci-fi he seems to revere as he seems to be very reactionary. but I could be wrong. this is a talkback. Its were reactionary belongs. I don't bring up MY new ideas here either.
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You know how often people say that Galaxy Quest is the best Star Trek comedy never made? And it's true. So, i have nothign agaisnt somebody picking the Star Trek universe and do ST movies with a more comedic bent. One of the most well loved TOS episodes is "The Trouble With Tribbles" which has no other ambition then to make the audiences langh, and still is good canon stuff. So, yeah, why not? The thing that's most important here is respect. To show proper respect for ST evne if you are making a comedy out of it. For example, those finnish movies Star Wreck, they are comedies based on Star Trek (and Babylon 5 too, long story). They can be quite merciless at times, but you always feel the love and respect for Star Trek. I felt no love for Star Trek from the JJ Abrams so-called Star Trek movie, all i felt was desinterest, disrespect and cynical exploitation. Creepythinman, for all his coerceness, he does show a lot of respect and understanding (and intelligence) for Star Trek. I'm sure even him at his most harsh he couldn't come with a more show of disrespect then what Abrams and his little helpers did with Abrams Trek. The point could be made that anybody in here could make a better Star Trek movie then what Abrams and Bob Orci and their gang are doing. And this even includes their fans. And it would be the truth.
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What you said about creepythinman could be said about me, as anybody who knows me here in my present or past incarnations. I also think there is a common misconception in here from the Abrams Trek fans about what is the detractoers of that movie (like myself) are all about. I'm sure that besides speaking for myself i can also speak for some of us detractors that the reason we are so critical of the Abrams movie is not that the movie is new or that it tries to modernize the franchise. a modernization of the Star Trek franchise is a very welcome notion. The idea of starting the relaunch movies at the academy years is a very attractive idea, with lots dramatic possibilities. I'm sure most people here are not complaining about that. The problem is not the premise, but the execution of said premise. The whole dumb down of what was always considered one of the smartest SF franchises, a SF franchise known as much for it's space adventure yarns as for the intelligence of using the SF tropes to create topicality about the real world. All that is completly absent in the Abrams movie. And then there's the general attitude of not give a shit the movie has toward what is Star Trek all about. Abrams is using St to create his own space adventure movie in the image of Star Wars. He himself once said, on record, he took the Star Trek job because (at the time) Star Wars was not available. That is such a wrong way to start it all. Then thete's the fact the movie reeked of desisnterest and disrespect. Abrams told he never cared for Star Trek much. And i don't need him to tell it, all i need is to watch the movie to know that for certain. Abrams and his minions attitude toward Star Trek are very alike Bay and his little helpers (who are the same) toward Transformers: incredible ignorance mixed with arrogance all in the service of their egos and hopes for milking an easy cash cow. My own personal problem with Abrams Trek is just how damn stupid and dumb the movie is. Even if i took it not as a Star Trek movie, it would still be a dumb stupid movie by all standards that a bad dumb movie is like. There's more to be said about it, but this is the gist of it.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST
The trouble with Trek these days is (WARNING: Sanctimonious comment enclosed!!!)
by migmog
The audience have bellies and the cast do not. I believe that belly envy may be fuelling the nerd rage for the new trek In addition the latent lens flare effect aka L.L.F.E. may also be a factor. Add this to a general lack of hygiene, the subsequent solitary existence and very rare sexual experiences you have a tsunami of talkback aggression!!lol I hope this helps Professor Migmog
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and it can be good and it can be bad. Also, I really doubt that most fans can pull the kind of clout needed to put together a big movie. I think a script from most of us would be rejected by most studios as too niche or whatever and not get the money to get produced. As much as I hate Zack Snyder, he is better than me at actually getting a movie made. People underestimate that. Working with actors is another big thing. Knowing what you want and getting what you want are very different things. Abrams is very good at working with actors. So if one of us fans made a trek movie would it be better? I doubt it. It would suffer from a lot of amateur mistakes that even if we know how to spot, we're not going to know how to avoid. We might turn in a better plot or even script, but I wouldn't go so far as to say we could make a better movie.
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Are you talking about the technical aspect of filmmaking? Because if so, Abrams don't has that advange on him because he's spoiled, his very first theatrical release movie was MI3 who had a budget of 100 millions plus. That's a lot of money that can overcome or disguise any insuficiences that he has as a director (which are many). Basically, he's an hack with a good crew. And an excelent skill at self- promotion. So, i'm certain that most of us here, with the same money, resourses and technical team that Abrams have at his disposal, we could do similiar results, if not better. Certainly it wouldn't be any worst, that's for sure. My point was not that, but that everybody in here could make a more intelligent script then the one that Abrams and team conjured up. Certainly most of us here would know right away the story would not make a lick of sense and the characters would be coming off as unsympathetic assholes, the whole lot of them. The problems in the first movie are beyond obvious, and it's the kind that amateur or 13 yewars olds obsessed with "teh kewl" would make, not people interested in good story. Too often people seem to think that just because one is making movies then it means they have talent for the thing. Forgetting that many owe their places more to backstage politics then true talent, and Abrams is the poster boy of that. If i was a producer, i'd love to have Abrams as my publicity guy, but not as my director or writer. As for Snyder, i question his talent, give his movies. Certainly i question his judgement. But the trailers for MAN OF STEEL have impressed me quite a lot. Those trailers are doing right for MOS what the Abrams Trek 2 are doing wrong. Perhaps it's because Snyder is making a movie under the watchful eye of a strong producer who is also a very talented filmmaker on his own right, Christopher Nolan. But so far and as far i can tell, MAN OF STEEL is doing everything right. It feels smart and thoughful and honest, a vibe i don't get from the Abrams Trek 2's promotion trailers/teasers.
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Yes, that was a sanctimonious coment indeed. My experience is that it's the fat nerd geeks who embraced the Abrams Trek movie because they are desperate to be seen as cool and they imagine that embracing this type of frat boy version of Star Trek will get them to be in the cool crowd and and score mainstream putang. The quest for putang is turning so desperate they don't mind to go full retard in support of a full retard movie. See how this work? It's not just the Abrams Trek fans who have the sole exclusive use of mocking their opposition in the image of the stereotypical fat virginal nerd geek. That shit cuts both ways. Which is why i'd rather have a proper conversation with arguments instead base mockery bullshit. Lord knows i have done my share of that shit in the past and it only served to bite me in the ass and produce the exact opposite effect I intended.
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If you are so good at this, you know, writing movies and such, why aren't you popular? or famous even? I mean, if you directed your energies at being able to write great work instead of ranting off in this forum like a rabid foaming troll, you would probably be rich! And in today's world, with all these e-readers, etc., its quite easy to write stuff and get it published and/or exposed. Of course, the key here is "if you have talent".. so far, I don't see it. Then again, creepythinmanrises seems a synonym for pencil dick! :)
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Whatever these guys like Abrams and Snyder and friggin Paul WS Anderson do to get themselves in position is part of filmmaking. I haven't made it as a filmmaker because I suck at that. I'm a writer first and I'm pretty decent at talking to actors because I've done some acting but I suck ass at producing and I've never been the guy who people look at and want to follow. Whether its independent as shit or huge-budgeted, getting people to take you seriously enough for them to let you tell them what to do is a feat. And JJ had tons of TV under his belt before he did MI:3 so its not like somebody just picked him and threw money at him. Felicity was good for what it was. Alias and Lost were very compelling. The guy is a filmmaker. TV or movies, there's little difference. (For an example of somebody getting money and crew thrown at them with no filmmaking experience I'd pick Frank Miller on The Spirit) JJ Abrams, though has ALWAYS been a character drama guy. He's a nerd, sure. There were strange twilight-zone homage time travel episodes in Felicity, but it was still...you know, Felicity. Abrams is concerned primarily with character drama. So are most audiences. He connects with people on this, and he is definitely good at it. You can complain about coincidences, but writing them out would change the movie from a character drama to an analytical history. You can complain that he didn't deal with any provocative ideas about technology or mankind or culture, but that would have made it a science fiction film and not a character drama. Fans didn't want a character drama, they wanted a Star Trek movie, so they hate him. Casual audiences wanted a character drama, so they love him. Pick a side. It's a taste thing.
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Star Trek is a tricky franchise. It has a hardcore fan base which keeps it alive buying books and attending conventions. But, the problem with Trek is that it always catered to Trek people. So, you have to understand that Paramount and the people who do movies want to make money, they are in this to entertain us, if they make money. Sadly. But a reality nonetheless. And say whatever you wish about the rebooted Star Trek movie, it hit the bulls eye for people who were trekkies and non-trekkies alike. Case in point. Myself.. I love Trek and there isn't much I don't know about the shows. I draw the lines at conventions however, or dressing up as a Trekkie, but when it comes to the shows, I've watched everything. My wife however could not give a rat's ass about the show. That being said, she liked the movie and so did I. She didn't get all the subtle references and homages that the movie had. But I did. I especially liked the way Pine swaggered at the beginning of the movie in the bar fight seen.. That was pure Shatner/Kirk essence being channeled. For her, it was just a great movie, there was very little of any references that got to her, but it wasn't necessary for her to know these things. It didn't stop her enjoyment of the movie. For us Trekkies however, it made us link and connect to the past without losing the enjoyment of the movie. In the end, the point is, the movie was a huge hit and for me, did respect the canons and brought in something new. Understand that Trek has always been about hope. But the naivety which Roddenberry's Trek conveyed was a reality of the times. In those times, there was opportunity for everyone, but there was also racial issues. Cold wars, etc.. So Roddenberry's vision was something which somehow meant we overcome all of these things. That was great. Now, our world is a bit different and without taking away from Roddenberry's vision, certainly the people of today are more jaded. Not everything is clear, clean and or black and white. Thus, Star Trek as a franchise and a product has to adapt to cater to today's people. But as far as I'm concerned, the rebooted product still has a little bit of Roddenberry feel and the actors who have portrayed the icons of the show are going to become icons themselves. 'nuff said! :)
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I hear comments about how it makes no sense for Kirk, at his age to be in command of the Enterprise. But the truth is, in the original series, he was the youngest member of StarFleet to ever be a captain. In the original series, I think Kirk is 32 yrs old when he gets command. In the new timeline, he's 25. And yes, he's younger, but so what? He's a hero, he defeated the enemy, his ranking officer (Pike) is promoted and Kirk gets the Enterprise. It's all a matter of opinion really. For some in this forum it seems to hinder their ability to watch the movie and enjoy it. Well, in the end, tell me of any show or movie which were 'logical' and entertaining at the same time. Very few of them. Perhaps the Matrix? but certainly not the sequels The original Star Trek is full of errors and discontinuity. Just look at how they tried to marry the footage from Menagerie? But we forgave it, because the show was entertaining. I enjoyed the movie Looper, but it sure as hell didn't make any sense when it came to the reasons behind the loopers in the first place. Why bother sending someone back in the time to be killed? when you can just send them back in time directly in a furnace? But Willis and Levitt did great jobs and the movie was entertaining. What I'm saying is that, it is very possible to have a logical show. For example, I recall Farscape. Fun and logical, in at least, they were consistent Don't forget, unless I'm wrong this is a trilogy, so who knows how this will go.. The last movie could be a trigger to reset the timeline as it was. You never know.. :)
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http://www.dynamoplayer.com/dplayer/embed?token=bxxzbnkew5ewmi
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NAMBLA: The Misunderstood
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Dec. 19, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST
houbou - JJ's Kirk, stifiling a yawn during the Kobayashi Maru test, is emblematic of everything that's gone wrong with the American film industry
by evergreen
It was the filmmaker saying "Look at me. I'm proving my love to a crucial demographic in flyover country". It had fuck-all to do with Star Trek.
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It was an entertaining movie. But, part of the problem with it was that had to do so many things to establish the new version of the old crew, and also shoehorn in a plotline with Spock in order to tie it to the old cast and Star Trek universe. I always thought that the second movie -- when the writers and the director didn't have to go through all of that relationship building, origin shit, and placating the old star trek universe -- would be the test of the series to see if the franchise could be sustained. So, I'll go see this one. The writers can just write the story with the pre-0existing character and relationship dynamics in place.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST
The promotion of Kirk to the rabk of Starship Cpt made plenty of sense
by Hesiod2k7
If you recall, half the fucking fleet in the last movie got wiped out by the Romulans in the movie. Under those circumstances, Star Fleet is going to have lost a shit ton of experienced commanders and their likely successors. So, promoting a youngster like Kirk to the rank of Captain based upon PROVEN ability made a lot of sense. What DID NOT make sense, however, was that they gave him essentially the flagship of the entire fleet to command. I can understand giving him a starship to Command, but not the fucking Enterprise. That's just too ridiculous.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST
Asimov, when it comes to JJ you sir are beyond deranged.
by ganymede3010
There's no way that a sane person could allocate the amount of time that you have debasing a critically acclaimed film maker. You've made the same points for years, we understand, it's time to move on man.
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Dec. 19, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST
asimovlives has CALLED OUT boborci! The Big Dog has come off the Porch...
by victor82
On like Donkey Kong, kids...
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Dec. 19, 2012, 3:25 p.m. CST
To be honest, a kid like Kirk, even a hotshot, would never have been given command of a Heavy Cruiser..
by victor82
Nu-Kirk was, what, 25? Total bullshit. Roddenberry had been in the Pacific during the War, so he understood how the Pacific Fleet, on which Starfleet was based, worked. Ensigns just out of Annapolis didn't get commands, even in the Tin Can Navy, even during the War, when Ernest King and Nimitz were going through officers right, left, and center to winnow out the dead wood. In a real Starfleet, the most Nu-Kirk would have received, even after part of the fleet had been destroyed near Vulcan, would have been a tin can or as XO on a light cruiser (think the Grissom from STTWOK or the tin can from the 2009 movie that got destroyed by Nero). But they had to move the character along INSTEAD doing the more imaginative, character-building thing and making it into a Horatio Hornblower epic. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
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hasn't yet acquiesed to his proposed offer to fellate him on his non-goat fucking days. BAAAAAAsimov!
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1 - He's still angry at my *Vulcan is NOT that close to Delta Vega* comment... *could have just happened in Spock Prime's mind(meld)... as an excuse...* 2 - I'm probably thisssssss close to the truth for THIS movie... I'm waiting! Eagerly! For an answer. And, of course, FOR THE MOVIE!!! On the other hand... I could be THAAAAAAAT far away from the truth, that an answer probably isn't worth the time typing... It's the latter I guess... But it was fun thinking about it... for the moment.
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If so, your shit really sucks, dude! Are you the one responsible for having Spock face fucking Uhura in every other scene? What the hell? That was stupid! And then Transformers.. goddamn, man! You're horrible! Gah!
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Still carrying on I see. Basically you seem like an intelligent person so why are you wrong about almost everything? By the way I don't know if you saw this when I posted for you in another thread. http://io9.com/5963263/how-nasa-will-build-its-very-first-warp-drive?utm_source=io9+Newsletter&utm_campaign=0993d0ea41-UA-142218-29&utm_medium=email So much for being stuck forever in the solar system.
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The coment about being wrong about everything made me chuckle. and yeah, i bet i disagree with that assuption, specially in regard to movies. Thanks for the link above. I noticed that in a past thread you posted it already. Yeah, i was out of participating but i was checking this threads regulary. I read the webpage from the link above. I read that and others related to the subject, and let me just say, that page from the your link is the most optimistic version of the thing. As in, it forgot to take other things into consideration that would make that warp concept into a potential very dangerous thing. They forgot to mention that those space-time folders would trap within all the cosmic particles it would met in the way, and when the spaceship using that warp drive thing stoped, those particles would become deadly high energy radiation that would shot like a very powerful energy beam weapon capable of sterelize a planet like Earth, and it would shot at the direction of destination. The point being, that warp notion would be great weapon of mass destruction, but it would be terrible for anybody whose misison was to come in peace. Also, you notice the article does tell that such warp stuff would be dependent on exotic matter. Something which is not known. Exotic matter is a theoretical construct, not something found in nature. It it exists in natural state in this universe, it has to exist so isolated from normal matter as to the point it's undetectable. You know, like in the middle of those vast empty spaces between the galaxies. If that is so, then you would need to have faster then light speed ship to mine the very thing that makes faster then light travel possible. They call this a paradox. Or we would need to make the exotic matter ourselves, which would be an epic feat of engineer in itself, because there's isn't even a theoretical basis for it, and that would be penuts compared to turning a theoretical concept into a practical one. Basically, if it will ever be done, it will be very fucking hard and expensive beyond dreams. And no, anti-matter is not exotic matter, nor is dark matter either. And this is why you should always take with a grain of salt all those science articles that seem optimistic, because they never tell the whole story. Because happy stories sell better then realistic ones. Nobody would be more happy then me to know that interstellar travel could become a reality in my lifetime and meet cool friendly ETs and once and for all end this debate of extraterrestrial intelligent life. But reality had the habit of ruining such happy dreams. The universe cares little if my dreams came true.
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That was your atempt at wit, wasn't it? I did found it amusing, however. I imagined your words but said in Stephen Fry's voice.
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Ah yes, an ad homine attack, i had almost forgotten how you Abrams Trek fans use them in lieu of an argument. The practice has not been lost, tradition is still what it used to be. I missed those. Sadly, that ad homine bullshit cuts both ways, which means in effect is totally ineffectual. Next time, an actual argument would be very welcome. You know what, i should appologise to you. I'm very sorry i can't enjoy a very dumb and stupid movie that treats audiences as total retards and pisses on the legacy of a much loved and respected franchise that mannged to become an important and recognible part of popular culture spreaded all over the world for almost 50 years now. I'm very sorry i can't reduce myself to the mental state of an amoeba so i can get the previlege to enjoy a very shallow piece of entertaiment. Will you ever forgive me?
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Dec. 20, 2012, 7:47 a.m. CST
NuKirk's quick offical promotion to the captain of the Abramsprise at the end of the movie was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.
by AsimovLives
I had already giving hope for the movie at the time of NuKirk's Hoth adventure. My good will had been systematically eroded with the strange disrespectul mood the movie had shown toward the franchise it borrowed it's name, the Kobiashi Maru test (the most iconic moment of Kirk's youth) turned into a joke, and turning the characters into emo jerkasses. But the final scene of NuKirk getting the captaincy of the Starfleet's flagship was the last drop. Then i knew this movie was a parody. Worst, a joke made at the expense of the audience's intelligence. I find it completly unbelievable that, no matter the circunstances, that NuKirk would be given such command, even after saving the world. Promotions do not work like that type of reward. But two of posters above, victor82 and hesiod2k7, offered two quite plausible and intelligent alternatives to how they could make NuKirk get a captaincy in a believable way that would even improve the movie in dramatic terms. their idea is NuKirk would be given command of a lesser vessel, what would be the Starfleet's equivalent of a long range patrol ship or those torpedos boats of old. It even has precedent in know reality, as in WWII the crews of such ships were very young, including the captain. John F. Kennedy himself was given command of a torpedo boat in his mid 20s not long after academy. Giving such lesser vessels to young officers in time of war is not impluasible at all, and by the end of Abrams Trek the Federation is suffering a time of crisis, which most of their fleet wiped out. What is not acceptacle at all, even within the Abrams Trek universe, is for NuKirk to get command of the Starfleet's own flagship. In such circunstances, one of those admirals who are now desk-jockeys would step down and take command. They would put an experienced officer in command, not raise up some newbie from the Academy who just because by accidental circunstances he got hold of the captain's chair (by illegal means no less). NuKirk proved himself capable of handling an emergency situation (thanks to the writer's numerous deux ex machina plotting), not that he he's capable of commanding in all circunstances, including normal daily routine. I mean, imagine the dramatic possibilities that such a thing could benefit the movie. Nukirk is given a command, the movie plays liek it will be the Abramsprise, then it makes a turn for the realistic and Nukirk boards his first real offical command, this smaller vessel. But he looks outside the window and sees the Abramsprise and has that look in his eyes that someday they shall meet again, they are not through with each other yet. Wouldn't that be far more satisfying? Anyway, i want to tip my hat to both victor82 and hesiod2k7 and applaude you. I know you enjoy Abrams Trek far more then i do, but still that hasn't prevented you from seeing some of the absurdities the movie has and proved more intleligent in coming up with a solution then the official filmmakers. Good job, guys. I also think it was a mistake to try to ram all the classic characters from TOS into the Abrams movie. They should had focused only on Kirk and Spock, because the movie is really only about those two, with only Pike and Bones as the sideshow bobs. And let all the others arrive at the sequel and get a decent introduction instead of the rush job they all got.
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Is it so hard to enjoy the movie that's actually on the screen, instead of the fanfic you wrote in high school that got rejected by the New Voyages producers, that nobody would read unless it was serialized in a bitchy Talkback? Geez. James Bond is rebooted about once a decade, changing whatever they want, and people don't crap on the writers accuse the studio of crapping on the franchise. Grow up. Star Trek apparently has; so can you.
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Christmas has come early. Mazel Mazel!!
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...is, apparently, because the production crew brought the 'real world' fame of both William Shatner and Captain James Kirk along with them when developing this iteration of the character so, even though nobody knows him in the context of the story at the beginning, it doesn't matter cause he's famous to *us* so he's famous to them too (of course he gets promoted to captain to the flagship over more experienced officers - it's freakin CAPTAIN KIRK dude!) of course...now i sound like a jj/boborci hater. which im not (im just indifferent to either - tho jj did produce cloverfield which i did like. and boborci certainly isn't the random fluid guzzling monster creepy makes him out to be). and while i love TOS/TNG/DS9 and even was quite fond of voyager, i'm not a madhouse trek phaser carrying fan nor do i have any sense of betrayal at the new films making changes, etc, etc, etc. but i do agree with the notion that these are really only marginally more coherent and intelligent than michael bay's transformer films (said before that jj is the thinking man's michael bay). nowhere near as slapstick stupid of course (nobody's mom gets intoxicated and tackles complete strangers) but they leave me rather unmoved if entertained to some extent. i should love these trek movies. but they just kinda leave me flat. no desire to see them again yet no desire to come on here and tear them apart for being crap or not being *my* star trek. shit man, i just want them to be smart and entertaining and i want a high re-watch-ability factor (this is what really indicates success or failure for these types of films to me). but they're mostly dumb and yet still, somewhat entertaining. tho i have basically zero desire to see it again. just natural reactions based on seeing the film. no bias and no weighted expectations. hopefully, im wrong thinking into darkness will be more of the same. this is my final defense against being considered a hater: i *want* these movies to be good! but im also not a sycophant nor myopically hopeful and won't make excuses or cover it up if its not.
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How are you, you magnificent you? God i have missed you! Seeing your nick alone brings tears to my eyes. It has been too long, my good friend. And why haven't you writen more reviews for AICN. The one you once wrote was Christian Bale awesome. Why you stoped? And since youare not writing reviews what have you been done lately? God i really missed the old gang!
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I agree that most of the public idea of the character of James T. Kirk is more due to the perception of William Shatner as a public person then the true presentation of Kirk from the TOS shows (and movies too). Because the Kirk from the TOS show is nothing but an extremely admirable man, one would love to be like, the kind of leader you would die for. This is why to this day i cant decide who i like best, Kirk or Picard, becae the later was played by Patrick Steward, who's made of awesome. The brat version of Kirk we got from Abrams Trek is but the common misconcepton of Kirk the character turned to 11. Kirk was never an asshole. William Shatner was an asshole (he got better) but Kirk never was. It's funny that even many of the co-called trekkies (or trekkers or whatever) confuse the two, but then again Shatner told them to get a life, so there's that. Maybe the reason this new brat version of Kirk proved popular is because it fullilled some people's dream of seeing Kirk getting his ass kicked on a regular basis. Because they can't see the character from the first actor who played it. Or something like that.
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