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2012’s Last SURVIVOR, HOMELAND, SIMPSONS, BURGERS, DEXTER & PAINS!! Judd Apatow On 60 MINUTES!! Herc’s Sunday TV Talkback!!
On Wednesday we saw Abi vote for Denise but everybody else voted for Abi.
It’s down to bartender Malcolm Freberg, sex therapist Denise Stapley and TV vets Michael Skupin and Lisa Whelchel.
The previews suggest Denise is doomed, but my gut tells me the former “Facts of Life” vixen could prove the last contestant to join the jury.
Who gets the million? My money’s Malcolm. But I’m wrong a lot.
Last week Abu Nazir finally met Allah. Does the CIA plan to make Nick Brody attend the same reception in “Homeland” season finale? I’m guessing yes.
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Readers Talkback
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Just kidding. I think.
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Dec. 16, 2012, 4:30 a.m. CST
If you told me in September I'd be anticpating Dexters finale over Homelands
by tomdolan04
I would shook my head and have given you a deeper facepalm than Saul on hearing Carrie getting the life screwed out of her <p> These ARE the Dexter writers were talking about here though - they've probably got 53 minutes of Quinn crying over Nadia lined up.
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Probably should have ended when Carrie confronted Brody in the hotel. I was literally cheering for her when he did that. It has been more like the latter episodes of "24" since.
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Dec. 16, 2012, 8:11 a.m. CST
Homeland- either Brody does tonight or we find out he has been working with Abu Nazir all along...
by Titus05
remember we never saw what went down between Nazir and Brody after the kidnapping...Nazir sure seemed content afterwards...me thinks everything that happened since has been part of the plan...Washington gets blown up tonight!
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becomes the big bad in homeland.
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of the jail where that former female american terrorist in homeland. that seemed a bit shifty...
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on the war path.
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So Abu Nazir, the most wanted man in the world is in his SUV just cruising around in suburban DC kinda thinking that "OK, Carrie should be driving along by here in awhile, oh there she is." And then he rams her perfectly, jumps out of his car, grabs Carrie in broad daylight on a suburban street, restrains her and throws her in his car and drives off, no problem. So unbelievable. That's an example of the writers needing motivation for Brody to kill the VP and save Carrie. This is an example of the plot moving the characters instead of the characters moving the plot. This is the opposite of good writing.
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The first season was really cool because it was a bit more sophisticated, intelligent version of 24 (and I very much enjoyed 24 for the popcorn entertainment that it was). This season is just like 24, only even dumber. I'm still tuning in every week - but I've been amazed at how poor the writing has become week after week. Hell, they've known Brody IS a terrorist yet they have no wire tapping of him and he can freely communicate with other terrorist and sneak in to have a private meeting with the vice president of the United States? Or sit in the Pentagon and text Abu Nazir about the attack that's about to occur? It's just become so silly.
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I'm sure Nazir had some dude protecting him or something. That dude rammed Carrie's car and got her to the abandoned mill. Nazir was in the backseat. Then the dude left. Not that unbelievable, given that we never actually saw any of that. You're assuming one thing when it could very well be another thing. Does Homeland need to hold your hand constantly? I do hope that the Brody story is mostly concluded tonight and that next season focuses on a new threat. That would probably include killing Damien Lewis. I'm okay with that. He's great but his story seems like it's over. Next season could be Dana becoming Carrie's apprentice.
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Dec. 16, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST
There's a mole in the CIA, that's how he know how to grab her
by punto
At first I suspected it was Saul, like in season 1, now I don't know.
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I mean it would be somewhat poetic justice given that one of the reasons this has all happened is that Nazir's kid was killed... Now I know it would mean no more Morenanudity... but the whole family stuff has been utterly superfluous... And I wouldn't mind if the marine that she was shagging turned out to be some bad ass too. No more 24 Homeland please - I expect something a bit smarter...
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That anyone can be killed. If Abu Nazir was so desperate to kill the VP there were a lot less complicated ways to do it. If an assassin is willing to go on a suicide mission, which Islamic terrorists are known for, and if Abu Nazir had a half-dozen terrorists right there with him in the DC area, why did he need these complicated plots involving Brody and kidnapping Carrie, etc?
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unless, of course, he's not in the final three. He's good at challenges, he's well liked, he's made the right alliances at the right time, he outlasted everyone (other than Denise) from his original tribe, and he's been about as honest as one can be playing Survivor. I don't see Denise being a lock if it's between her, Lisa, and Skupin. She may have a slight edge in gameplay, but will it be enough? Alternatively, she could be seen as having spent the latter half of the game riding Malcolm's coattails. I think it may come down to who the jury personally likes the best of those three. In that case, it may just go to Lisa. That is, unless her history gets revealed and the Jury takes offense at her having not been honest with them about that. Skupin could use that to his advantage, as well as convincing them, despite them all wanting him out right away, he managed to make it all the way to the end and deserves to win - playing the "returning player beats the odds" card. If it's not Malcolm in the final three, I think it's anyone's game to win.
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we get more scenes of Carrie going nuts on some hog. Crazy girls know how to work that shit, and she's clearly no stranger to pole spinning.
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Dexter will awake drenched in cold sweats, followed by a drawn out monologue set to the piano wrap up theme. In reality he would have been caught after the first murder.
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Dec. 16, 2012, 3 p.m. CST
Homeland has been Spectacular so far... perfect pacing, very believable, has everything
by blhotz
Can not seriously believe there is anything negative about Homeland this season... haters going to hate and overthinkers will do just that (think they are being smart when in actuality they are the ones being dumb).
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-Quinn goes to kill Brody while Brody and Carrie are at the cabin. Brody's praying and Quinn does not take the shot, after hearing Carrie call or Brody. -Brody and Carrie plan to run away together. -Brody tells Mike that its okay to bang his wife and father his children. -Carrie tells Saul that shes probably gonna run away with Brody. He's not alright with it. -At Walden's funeral, a bomb goes off killing lots of people, including Estes. Bomb originated from Brody's car. Carrie pulls gun on Brody. -Brody swears it wasn't him. Carrie and Brody get money an passports together and decide to head to Canada. They leave. -Brody is blamed for being the terrorist who killed all the people at Waldens funeral. His suicide bomb video tape airs on television. Brody's family is all fucked up from it. -Brody and Carrie make it to the Canadian border. She tells him to go alone. He does. She goes back to the CIA. -Carrie talks to Saul. He's happy with the decision she made. -Brody is the most wanted man in the world, but its not known if he is alive or dead. The End.
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Im guessing about 3-4 years right?
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no way shes in vegas. shes tied up in the backroom being horsed by truck drivers... or getting ready to be transported to dubai or something similar.
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We shall have to wait and see. But that all sounds incredibly plausible to me. Anyway, as long as nobody spoils the Dexter finale, I'll be fine. Can't really see myself bothering with a 3rd season of Homeland.
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Dec. 16, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST
From what I read, the Homeland show runners have gotten the message
by Rob0729
that things were too over the top this season. Tey obvious defended their outlandish plot twists by arguing they were realistic "emotionally" for whatever that means, but they seem to have gotten the message that the show went off track. They said next season won't be yet another season where Carrie has to save yet another imminent terrorist attack and will be something smaller and more personal. Maybe it is me, but I took it as they realized the went too "24" this season and trying to get to more of a realistic take of the show which worked wonderfully for the first season and a half. Also, they did say this episode's ending would be a huge shocker. Too bad I will be watching Pats/49ers and have to avoid anyone telling me the ending.
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I don't know why people have to insult anyone who doesn't like a show (or in this case, upset on how the storylines have become unrealistic) they love, they have to insult them to tear down their argument. I think that shows your intelligence rather than arguing on points. If I remember correctly, you said last week you can easily counter any complaint about the show with out actually countering any complaint. Instead of insulting people who disagree with your position, why not counter their arguments rather than insulting them for disagreeing with your point of view. It brings a heck of a lot more to the discussion.
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No offense, but you don't know if there was anyone in the car or not. Beside, I don't know if that was the most unbelievable part of the show in recent episodes. - I think things like allowing the VP and Brody wander around unattended in the National Observatory immediately after an attempt on the VP's life was thwarted is totally unbelievable. -Also, the fact that the VP would be in his office without at least two secret service standing outside his door is ludicrous. -I think it is ridiculous that Carrie would be carrying on an affair with Brodie after knowing he is a terrorist even if he was a turned terrorist. No matter how fucked up she is. -Athough the pacemaker hacking is possible, I find it hard to believe that Nazir would have a system running as a back up plan that quickly and that the secret service would allow the VP allow a device with the serial number of his pacemaker so easily available in his office. - I think it was ridiculous that after the attempt on the VP's life was averted that they would allow Carrie to hang around. She was only there to keep Brodie in line until the plot was averted. -The Dana and Finn thing was ludicrious and totally 24 filler. Although not as bad as Kim and the cougar. I could go on. I like the show. I used to love the show. But they need to get more grounded in reality like the first season and a half. They are using too many "24" suspend disbelief type of plot twists.
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Herc, why didn't you mention that FOX cancelled the holiday shows due to the school shooting? They also changed the rerun of the Cleveland Show to a different episode.
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i'm sorry to say, but the answer is yes, yes i am an asshole an asshole thats just making a few out there predictions. its all just predictions and guesses guy, calm down! im pretty pretty pretty pretty prettaay pretttaay pretttaaayyy good at making predictions though. yes im an asshole.
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We killed it. Just like we killed that woman
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Dec. 16, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST
Just wrote a post about the worst bits of Homeland season 2
by theGoldbergV
Forgot about this stupid software only posting the bit I put in speech marks, so now its just that quote from Dana. Oh well
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A couple weeks ago on Dexter (I want to say the episode where Joey shot Novikov) Nadia was wearing the same kind of bracelet Kaja/Victor were wearing in the first episode. She's not in Vegas, I'm assuming another one of the Koshkas came in, told her she wasn't going anywhere, and is forcing her to smuggle heroin or whatever
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Dec. 16, 2012, 5:16 p.m. CST
Still Works Goldberg, Because That Whole Convo Was The Worst Thing in homeland
by Crow3711
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has gotten a bit silly,but imma ride wit it,new man of steel trailer..good http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/wb/manofsteel/
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I thought season 2 of Homeland was incredibly strong and even better than the first season for about the first five or six episodes. It starts to crack when Brody is taken in the chopper. I really lost it when the FBI dude takes Carrie, alone, to find the Nazir's hang out. Complete BS. I get the idea that the writers simply ran out of ideas after the CIA captures Brody. Like I said, I was cheering for Carrie when she starts yelling at Brody in the hotel. It was excellent TV. If the season ended at that point, "Homeland" would deserve Best Drama. But it didn't. It suddenly became "24" with the damn Mole again. Here again, US TV just goes too long. We need to learn from the British. They take their best ideas and a have short, very powerful season. I will catch the finale, not sure about season 3. They have a lot of work to do to keep me into this.
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Dec. 16, 2012, 6:21 p.m. CST
What are these soap operas you guys are watching....and how many more days 'til new Community?
by Bobo_Vision
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Unless any of these shows are about school shootings or mass shootings (and nothing in the news articles I've seen says that they are), I really don't see why they should be postponed or pulled.
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the shows weren't postponed for anything other than that
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Fox pulled new episodes of "Family Guy" and "American Dad" that were to air Sunday to avoid potentially sensitive content. The originally scheduled episode of "Family Guy" had Peter telling his own version of the nativity story. The "American Dad" episode told the story of a demon who punished naughty children at Christmas. Both series plan to substitute reruns.
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fox just simply SUCKS!!! they are overreacting, that's it, plain and simple
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I'm not going to be able to watch it until tomorrow night after work, and it would have bugged me all day if I thought I knew how it was gonna end. Still, your predictions do sound plausible. And I'm an asshole too.
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wait til you watch the episode to decide if im an asshole. or wait until you see the other posters response after the ep airs to decide if im an asshole. ill leave it ambiguous for now.
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I like his attitude.
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probably inlike2 minutes.
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He just spoiled the entire fucking episode on here.
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I predict the shit outta things. I'm a really good guesser.
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Dec. 16, 2012, 9:36 p.m. CST
I prediict there will be a be a big explosion within the next 5 minutes
by Frank
KABOOOM. on homeland. not in real life. JUST A HUNCH. JUST A FEELING I GOT. PREDICTION.
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Copy and pasting IMDB spoilers.
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Dont tell my sources. I predicted and guessed all of that.
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this totally goes against who deb is as a cop and a human being. but this does sound like a good set for next season, with Dex as the villain. he turned his own sister into himself, how fucked up is that?
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Dec. 16, 2012, 9:56 p.m. CST
Why do I invest myself in Survivor when I know every year it's going to be a whiny ass jury voting the most do nothing person because the other finalists Outwitted, Outplayed, and Outlasted them
by mongo126
For fuck's sake it's title of the goddam show and then you get mad when it happens.
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She was gonna shoot Dexter. She pointed the gun at him first. It seemed like kinda a tense spur of the moment situation. Dex was all like "yeah, shoot me, do what you gotta do" and laguerta was screaming at Deb to shoot Dex and Deb freaked out and shot Laguerta instead.
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DICKHEAD!
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Said weeks ago she should have been voted out. And her constant nodding would have driven me nuts.
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Brody cant catch a fucking break. Cool to see the baddy from Body of Lies (Underrated) as the new Nazir. Glad Estes is gone. Saul is the big boss now, love it. Brody has been framed big time and is now on the run. Will be interesting to see how Saul sides on the issue. I didnt know where the series was going into the finale, I am now completely reinvested into the show. Thought it was a pretty great episode. I would be happy if Dana went away, her character annoys me. That sad angry face makes me angry.Watching her manifest her emotions on her face is hard to watch as it makes me want to asphyxiate myself till near death. I really dont like Dana. Run Brody run, Claire Danes goes from hot to weird looking. Fuck you Dana. Im out.
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why would tullytaargus want to spoil homeland like that?!?!?! i am glad i gave his "predictions" only a cursory glance, but still.........WTF?!!?!?
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Dec. 16, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST
I just remembered some asshole I went to high school with so I decided to google him, and guess what? He's dead. Died at the age of 33. On my birthday no less.
by Bobo_Vision
Weird, right?
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It sounded a lot like Arabic.
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Dec. 16, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST
Anyone who watches a show with a character named Brody probably deserves to have it spoiled....unless that show is Jaws: the TV show based on the major motion picture
by Bobo_Vision
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Hakadaka dak dak hakana.
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Dec. 16, 2012, 10:23 p.m. CST
You wanna know what's a good show? Ninja 3: The Domination. I frickin' love that show.
by Bobo_Vision
I'm Canadian, and we call movies shows here. We're like, Did you see The Matrix, I freakin' love that show. We don't say eh. We don't say eh.
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It reminds me of ice fishing and boredom.
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It wasn't just "oh, a bomb I didn't know I had in my car went off". Someone at that ceremony or at CIA headquarters actually moved the car. This will probably never be acknowledged, and we'll just assume that "Nazir has followers everywhere", which is pretty lame. Good finale though.
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Dec. 16, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST
I will tell you who moved the car. **Season 3 Spolier**
by David Hinson
The mother fuckin Taliban Valet.
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I have been saying all season long Deb would end up working with Dexter to kill people.
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Dec. 16, 2012, 10:45 p.m. CST
Why does Bob on Bob's Burgers like burgers so much? And how is he so skinny after eating so many burgers???
by Bobo_Vision
Is he related to Jughead?
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...the little flirtation of Dexter's hot nanny with that cop, suggesting there'll be a relationship coming. ...which means sex scenes involving the hot nanny next season. That is all.
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...that Finn kid got BLOWNED UP, yo! That is all.
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Dana becomes Carries apprentice?? Literally the most absurd idea I've ever read on these boards.
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Dec. 16, 2012, 11:32 p.m. CST
Somebody last week called the carbomb/Brody running thing. Gotta give them props.
by Tim
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They better be able to pull security camera footage to find out who moved Brody's car. I mean it is LANGLEY for godsakes, you'd think there'd be a couple cameras around.
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Dec. 16, 2012, 11:38 p.m. CST
WOW, I did not mean to give props to tullytaargus if it was him last week. Glad I didn't read this thread before the episode!
by Tim
What an asshole. 'I just predict things spot on scene by scene. I'm just really good at predicting!'
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Me and Finn killed a guy
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:03 a.m. CST
Just when it looked like Homeland was going down the drain...BAMM!!!
by tritium
Great season finale! The writers really did a great job on pulling a rabbit out of proverbial hat. Next season could literally go anywhere. SPOILERS: I have read a forum in which some people believe Brody was behind the bombing, all along. However, I don't see that. If he was responsible, why would he make the comment to Carrie that someone had moved his SUV (before the bomb went off). He wouldn't have said anything at all. For that matter, if it was a suicide mission, he never would have left the ceremony with Carrie. None of his behavior just prior to the bomb going off is consistent with him being the bomber.
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The hijinks continue next week on Homeland... Me and Finn killed a guy I fucked your dad Oh yeah I figured. Did you know he had a suicide vest? Carrie sobs uncontrollably Dana plays with her fingers AND SCENE!
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Great fuckin' line, great delivery...
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I can't believe I didn't see that coming. I had forgotten about the C4 completely. So who leaked Brodie's out-of-context suicide tape? Quinn? If so, was he involved in the bombing somehow?
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:30 a.m. CST
The problem with the second half of this Homeland season, and the finale
by Tim
is that the writers expect us to be invested in a Carrie and Brody relationship. Why??? It was interesting when they were both playing each other, but now it's just annoying. Carrie is so fucking stupid and Brody has turned from compelling to utterly uninteresting. I know a lot of people loved the finale because, I don't know, explosions are exciting? But personally I have no interest in Carrie and Brody's love story, and a season in which Carrie aims to clear Brody's name would be at the bottom of my list for what I would want to watch. The finale was improvement over the past few episodes, mainly because Saul was fantastic, but the show has still gone off the rails.
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You're not an asshole. Just another internet cunt.
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Fuck. I kind of hate Dexter now for putting Deb in that position. The next (last?) season is going to be insane!
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Dec. 17, 2012, 1:38 a.m. CST
Homeland S2 Finale: Kinda Pretty Good, But S2 Is Still A Failure Ultimately, And I Have Little Hope for S3
by Crow3711
This show just wasn't meant to last.
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i wonder if theyll keep brody's family in the story next season.
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it was hebrew. it was the mourner's kaddish.
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How is it possible to miss on every single prediction you made? Even a blind squirrel can find an acorn some of the time.
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Instantly forgettable. Her strategy consisted of the following: A) Teaming up with Malcolm. B) Riding his coattails. C) Not making a ton of waves along with little or no moves. It wasn't enough that she went to every tribal council. She was a bit spirited at the start, simply vanished for a good part of the middle.. and was really no factor in endgame. I will say she was a decent bullshitter at FTC. She definately played up like she actually played the game and controlled her destiny.. but honestly her winning is what shivvers down any Survivor Producers spine, or any true fan of gameplay on the show because Bitter Juries end up rewarding Garbage Gameplay. It makes it less likely in the future that you get people who take honest chances on the show and make big moves to control their destiny because people watch and see that if you do as little as you can to survive and get behind a strony player, you tend to get rewarded. Both by advancement in the game, and because you're the Garbage choice of a Bitter Jury. Right now, without a doubt Denise goes down in Survivor History as one of the worst winners to ever play the game. She's not The Worst, that honor goes to Natalie White who jobbed Hantz in Samoa. A close second is Sandra, who jobbed Parvati at HvV. Both awful winners that skated in behind power players and basked in a Bitter Jury to win.
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This was not a great Sunday for my predictions, but ... last Sunday I think I predicted Estes would die when Nazir bombed the CIA HQ.
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It's been that way for quite a while and has really stuck out in 3 of the last 6 seasons. Natalie over Russell? Worst jury decision ever. Sandra over Parvati? Really? Fucking horrible again. ...and tonight. Survivor is no longer about being aggressive and playing a strong tactical game, it's about finding somebody else to do it and just try to hang on. After the All Star fiasco, I'd pretty much given up. Then I figured I'd give it another shot and voila!.....another coat tail winner. So, there you go America, just sit on your ass and be popular and you can win too.
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To Hercs credit he did predict from the get go Deb would kill to protect Dexters secret. Not surprising LaGuerta suffered the same fate as Doakes for getting too close. But there were things that annoyed me. For instance, why were there NO GUARDS around Hannah at the hospital? It doesn't matter if she's unconscious, she's a convicted murderer, there would have been guards, even if just hospital security to watch her. That was way too unbelievable for her to escape. And the standoff at the end with Dex, LaGuerta, and Deb...I hope this is brought up next season for explanation but...when Dex told Deb to shoot him, was he really saying it to manipulate and push Deb into shooting LaGuerta, knowing she wouldn't really shoot him? Because if he really was trying to do the heroic thing at the time and sacrifice himself, why didn't he just hold his hands out and ask her to cuff him and turn himself in, knowing it was over and accept the consequences? I know that version doesn't make for dramatic TV. But something about that end scene doesn't add up. Why would he force Deb to make that choice between him and LaGuerta? Dexter remains calm under pressure. He's not the kind of person to get caught up in the moment, and he seemed fairly calm. He can see Deb is going into emotional overload. If he's manipulating Deb, what's his motivation to make her like him? I understand there were scenes before where Dexter was convincing himself everything was about survival, but when actually faced with the choice of making Deb shoot him and LaGuerta, it doesn't seem right that he wouldn't give her option 3: Turn himself in. He's too compassionate towards her to force her into that kind of choice. The ending doesn't work for me.
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I liked what I'm seeing (and reading above) about the producers' desire to rein in the more outlandish elements in favor of more personal ones (as long as they don't involve a lot of Dana). Saul in a power position at the CIA (I guess the director was killed in the blast) is a good thing. Mixed on the Brody family members remaining upright, walking and talking. But I guess they have to be part of the package if Brody is still in play. Not thrilled with the Carrie/Brody romance. And do CIA agents really have 'go trunks' to help ferry themselves and terrorists, as well as ID people who don't bat an eye when a famous POW turned Congressman turned Public Enemy #1 show up at their doorstep? I'll commend them for resetting the board without sacrificing too many players, but I wish it didn't come with the love connection thing.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 6:03 a.m. CST
Deb's shooting of LaGuerta was as much about her survival as it was Dexter's
by Darth Mulder
If she had shot Dexter or if she had arrested him, LaGuerta would have had Deb arrested,as well, for her part in aiding Dexter's crimes. Deb had to do it for herself as well as for Dexter.
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Obviously the whole, Deb loves Dexter thing was to just hammer home the set up of her being able to throw away her principles. However the way some people talk about it, it's as if it has been easy for Deb when it isn't at all. Good season, but as a final BANG.. it was a bit.. It's good for a character ending. I guess. I just wanted something insane. It seems the kind of ending the writers and people who spend so much time invested in the characters and their motivations would think is much bigger than us the viewers.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 7:13 a.m. CST
Deb shooting LaGuerta wasn't "survival" ...it was borderline bad writing and nearly all emotion
by blhotz
Love Dexter but the show bordline jumped-the-shark. People don't shoot cops when they are getting arrested (well most don't). One more season for writers to show us they are smarter than common sense.
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For my money, this was at worst an A-minus season for Dexter. They really restored a lot of my faith in the show after the poo that was Season 6. The only thing that bugs me is when they resort to cheap, throw-all-believability-out-the-window moments that aren't really necessary. Like in episode 1, where Dex kills victor inside the airport. Inside an airport? REALLY? And then last night, the Hannah thing where she's restrained by a zip-tie instead of a handcuff, and the cops all leave her by herself? Come on. This season has done, for the most part, a really good job of getting away from silly moments like that. I hope they don't fall back into that for Season 8. Either way, this show kept me guessing almost the entire way (though I did guess that Deb would ultimately be the one to kill LaGuerta) this season, which I commend the writers for. Homeland ... I'm worried for Homeland. As a lot of others have said, this show peaked at the moment where Carrie confronted Brody. That's one of those moments of television that you've been waiting for, and it delivered. But after that the show has started to resemble 24 too closely. That's probably going to get it more viewers, but that's not why I tuned in at the beginning. I'll probably watch S3 since it comes on right after Dexter, but unless it gets substantially better, I can't see myself bothering to pay for Showtime and tune in once the Dexter lead-in is gone.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 8:57 a.m. CST
Denise winning not as bad as it seems and here's why
by Lukes Lost Hand
Would Malcolm have won if he were in the final three? I have absolutely no doubt he would've received a unanimous vote to win, but he fumbled the ball right at the end and was wisely sent packing by the other three. So what choices are the jury left with? Lisa: Not great at challenges, iffy social game, carried to the end because she's not a real threat. Skupin: Decent at challenges, OK social game, but as Penner pointed out oversold how big a target he was at TC. Denise: Worked hard, played hard, and a social game that she worked through three tribes and wasn't even voted on until around day 35 or so. So in the end the jury chose between a cow pie, a shit sandwich, and an olive loaf sub. They picked the one that left the least bad taste in their mouthes.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST
Homeland was...amazing. My gosh this show is top 10 of all time for me and if Season 3 can deliver then its knocking on top 5 for me.
by Dogmatic
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Dec. 17, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST
Totally didn't see the Arlington Road angle tho I felt I should have. Kudos to the producers/writers! Love Brody on the loner lamb too.
by Dogmatic
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Dec. 17, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST
And NO, Brody didn't know about the bomb. They established that pretty well.
by Dogmatic
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So, not a single other person jumped to the immediate conclusion that Saul was the mole, and the whole thing was orchestrated to elevate him to the top of the CIA? Wow, I was really way off the public consciousness on that one. I blame the wine I was drinking. I thought for sure he was speaking Arabic in the final scene which confirmed it. Shame on me. Powerful image of him surrounded by all the shrouded dead.
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Nazeer seemed to be channeling his inner Marwan from season 4 of 24. I thought he might have run upstairs and hidden under a bed at one point last episode. I miss the 24 talkbacks. The Golden Age of AICN talkbacks...
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But 24 was around at the same time too. Man those were good weeks.
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but I have no doubt at all that he is connected in some way to abu nazir. he spent years in the middle east in Beirut. He had his eye on Carrie Mathieson and knew full well she was a loose cannon. Saul was her mentor in the CIA. Two things. It was never explained in season one why Saul smuggled in the razor blade. saul allowed a man to slit his own wrists. Saul saw to it that carrie temporarily kicked out of the CIA and then brought back in. He is a manipulative man is saul berenson. He wouldnt allow a man like david estes to can his career. So Estes bites the bullet and saul gets a promotion. Saul berenson i would say help train Abu Nazir. or some such thing. He knows more about Abu Nazir then anyone else. plus he knew that Abu Nazir was in america. and he is guarded is saul berenson. and he knows how to play sides.
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I dunno, seems kind of obvious to me that they're setting Dar Adul (F Murray Abraham) as the ultimate big bad next season. He intercedes and prevents the Brody hit when another plan was devised, to wipe out the brain trust of the intelligence community and kickstart a massive new cold war, with hundreds of billions of dollars of new dark money. In a sense, it was a coup d'etat, but pinned on Brody, with a puppet terrorist group to claim credit and act as a boogeyman. The only explanation for why Brody's truck gets loaded with C4, boosted and moved in the single most secure parking lot in the world, and how the suicide video gets leaked to the press. Season 3 turns into a 70's paranoia movie, like PARALLAX VIEW or 3 DAYS OF THE CONDOR. It's old friends, Saul vs. Dar Adul, and a government within the government feeding a new perpetual war. Also, Carrie will sound like a typical crazy person ranting about the government, and Brody will snipe someone to protect her.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST
"Stop nodding to appease people!" ... well, if she stopped wouldn't she be appeasing Malcolm?
by MoneyGrabSequel
Denise rules! Picked her in the "Day 1 who do you like" with my wife.
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I really did think all three of them had a fairly equal chance of winning. However, I didn't factor in the jury bitterness. Lisa & Skupin were seen as fairly equal in having gone against their tribe's post-merge alliance; for Pete, Artis & Abi, Denise was the lesser of three evils (the one who screwed them over the least). Even Malcolm, who one could say voted for Denise because he understood why she voted him out but he was nonetheless loyal to their original alliance, could be seen as holding a grudge. After all, he did make a deal with Skupin & Lisa for the final 3 and they reneged. Pete really can't admit he screwed up. Granted, RC is like a dog with a bone over that, but he seems to refuse to acknowledge that had he not created the Grand Canyon of rifts between her and Abi, his alliance just might have had a shot. It was a good move, but made way too early. It's the sort of thing you do after the merge, when your alliance is one or two votes away from the final four and you need to sacrifice one of your own to get yourself further; not a week into the game when loyal numbers, even just one or two, can make all the difference.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST
Liked the Homeland finale. I want to hatefuck Abi from Survivor. Schlappin' that big ole azz.
by AzulTool
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Doakes you magnificent fucker. get on another cable show so you can utter those words regularly. I'll watch just to hear those words!
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I was pretty spot on, huh? Go me! Again I have proven to be the Tulliest of all the Taargi. I won predicting what would happen because i'mmma soo super smart. GIVE ME AN AWARD AICN OR I'M GETTIN A LAWYER! ***bonusquestion: where does my username originate?******* first person to answer correctly gets a big hug and 500 dollars. make sure to read the fine print.
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she seemed to recover awfully quickly. Seemed a little too convenient
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so it wouldn't be found in her blood screen during the autopsy. she didn't get a full injection, so she woke up pretty quickly from it i guess.
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seemed way too convenient that she would wake up when Deb got there
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Lisa: Not great at challenges, iffy social game, carried to the end because she's not a real threat. --- I would agree on the iffy social game, she was all over the map emotionally... and her FTC was fairly horrid... but no way no how was she carried to the end. She's the one who kept Skupin from going home. At every step of the way both of them were a step ahead of pretty much everyone but Malcolm. As such, they put themselves in a position that made it very hard to get rid of them while being able to call the shots. It also resulted in a very bitter jury. Denise on the other hand got carried. Social game? She was never really in the crosshairs tucked under Malcolm's wing, he always took the heat being the stronger of the two. About the best thing that could be said is she had a very solid FTC and didn't really get called on her BS by anybody other than Malcolm. Other than that she simply let him lead and take the heat while she stayed under the radar for most of the midgame. The one really big takeaway from this season is just how bad Jonathan Penner actually was at this game. I mean, when you get handed an express ticket to the Final 4 and you sit around dithering because you can't understand the strategy in it? That fucker is still clueless as to why things broke the way they broke and he acted like a first-timer going all bitter about it with his vote. I'm glad he feels he's 'done' with Survivor because he never should have come back if he was that bad at the game.
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wasn't it brody? or am i completely forgetting a major scene where it was revealed to be saul?
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how will deb live with herself? Looks like there will be lots more angst in season 8. incest scene with dex anyone?
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The only ones I remembered were the one on the dock and the doughnuts one
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Dec. 17, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST
Did Anyone Catch Dexter's Fake Parole Officer's Name?
by Burger_Supreme
I'm pretty sure he said his name was officer Arthur Curry ;)
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Unless I'm wildly mistaken all those scenes were new with the characters made up to look like Season 1.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 8:07 p.m. CST
Trying Not To Overthink Homeland (b/c you might ruin it).
by Sithtastic
There's been some intersting theories on this thread regarding Homeland's main characters. I am fully behind the Dar Adul as main antagonist for Season 3. I also would not overthink Saul's role in the series as having too close a connection to Abu Nazir. The reason this is obvious is because of the mentality of the writers. Please consider how characters like VP Walden (whom I've commented is literally a litany of bad pseudo-Cheneyism in a suit and quite possibly the worst written character on the show) was written. He's the "military industrial complex" hachet man run amok. When he's taken out of play by Abu Nazir via Brody, was I the only one hoping Walden would find a way out of it? But I digress. Point is, Walden is written solely for the rather sophomoric moral equievalence in which the show indulges. The only upside to Walden dying for me is the writers have to find another person to act as their clumsy warmongering cliche strawman. Enter Dar Adul. When Saul addresses him in the diner (episode 11), he tells him he's more interested in "solving problems rather than eviscerating them". Saul's a critical thinker who believes compassion is the better approach to collecting human intelligence, pure and simple (although you should not mistake his kindness for weakness). Adul by contrast rebuffs Saul saying he never had the stomach for "this line of work", meaning black ops, which really isn't Saul's forte. They're men of different disciplines and look for that exchange in the diner to define the conflict next season. Unlike Estes however, Adul doesn't have any baggage with Carrie and he will be merciless. As for the finale itself, I found it to be an above average piece of work, though I was more satisfied with the resolution of support player storylines like Peter Quinn who "kills bad guys" and seems to have a conscience about when to pull the trigger after all. We haven't seen the last of him. Aside from this, I completely agree with those who have written that the relationship between Carrie and Brody has lost it's edge. The only good news there is Brody is now forced to run and that will leave Carrie to work to clear his name. This also hopefully means a lot more character-driven, smaller scope stories next season.
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Dec. 17, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST
@infinitywave Jennifer Carpenter just tweeted a pic of Doakes on set
by sunwukong86
https://twitter.com/J2thecarpenter/status/280798235298234368/photo/1 so at least some of them were new
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He already was onto Dexter at the start of the series. We never saw him before he caught onto something being off with Dexter.
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http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/homeland-finale-recap-fool-me-once-20121217?utm_source=dailynewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter Harsh, but spot on in my view. I hope we don't get a season 3 of nothing but Brody on the run and Carrie trying to clear his name. Shit, bring back Kim and the Cougar and Teri's amnesia...dammit...
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Dec. 17, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST
Television right has become a game of trying boost up every other show except MAD MEN...
by TopHat
You know its true.
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Dec. 18, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
Biggest problem with homeland finale was no car would be that close to the gallery - security would flag it instantly
by FrodoFraggins
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Dec. 18, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST
This season of Dexter was much better than the last two but not on par with seasons 1-4
by FrodoFraggins
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I liked the movie better.
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Just saw the finale to Homeland. Excellent episode! I love the doubt about whether or not Brody did it. Well done. Not washing away the flaws from earlier in the season, but it ended well.
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before carrie came back to the CIA was chilling...
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Dec. 18, 2012, 10:48 p.m. CST
Security would be flagged instantly and one of two things probably happened...
by blhotz
1. A mole/smart terrorist slowed/stopped discovery 2. They went boom along with 200+ others People really need to stop overthinking...
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Dec. 19, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST
Great article on Grantland where the (pretty brilliant) Chuck Klosterman has a good theory about why Homeland is good, not great
by Tim
And I agree. very well said. http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8748171/homeland-vs-amc-prestige-shows-hbo-girls-vs-bravo-girls-kardashians-vs-other-kardashians-grantland-year-end-television-reckonings
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