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Published at: Dec. 14, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST by hercules

Last week Peter Bishop cut the Observer device out of his brain because, although it allowed him to teleport and see the future, it was sucking away his emotions. Fox says of “Black Blotter”:

In attempt to recall a plan to defeat the Observers, Walter takes an LSD trip down memory lane. Meanwhile, Peter and Olivia trace a mysterious signal to the woods, where they come upon a grisly scene.

A new “Portlandia” special “Winter In Portlandia,” airs on IFC at 10:30 p.m.

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  • Dec. 14, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    FRINGE!

    by skiprat1

    Been on multiple deadlines and haven't had time to watch last weeks! Gonna download now!

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST

    5 episodes left....

    by mongo126

    Peter is back to being Peter. Kickass Olivia is back. Walter is doing LSD. Looking forward to tonight.

  • And I thought, what a waste of a great international resource.

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds

    by Matthew

    David Bowie is one thing but I doubt Fringe could afford a Beatles song. Journey to the Center of the mind! Hopefully Broyles learned his lesson last time about touching LSD without gloves on

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Oh Fringe. So sad to see you limping out this way.

    by theGoldbergV

    Last episode had 3 good moments. Olivia's speech about it all being numbers, her escaping from the kidnappers and the final scene with Peter. The rest was terrible. Seriously WHAT has happened this season? Walter made a plan on video tapes that he hid around the lab?! And they are getting them out ONE BY ONE? Why not just get them all out now? The observers have gone from all-powerful mysterious beings to naff matrix baddies, Astrid is seemingly not bothered about getting zapped into the future where everyone she knew is dead, and Peter decided to turn himself into an Observer for 2 episodes. There have been good parts here and there but it's like watching a cheaper spin off with some of the same actors... It's killing me watching this. Seasons 1-3 awesome. Season 4 was OK. This season is just a mess.

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Final arc of the season/series

    by Cactus228

    I can't wait for Fringe. Some people seemed to dislike last week but I thought it was exactly what we needed to head into the final chapter of this show.

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Man this has been such an awesome season of Fringe!!!!!!

    by Paul

    Such great character moments and great things happening!

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Hmmm.

    by skiprat1

    ... last week's episode was ok, not the best. Felt like a filler episode before they get into the meaty stuff of the final arc, hopefully. I hope Walter and the expendable Scottish character have a warehouse or something large where Walter can start building. Assuming that the machine is going to be large, and not a wild goose chase. Still no hints whatsoever about the size or function of the machine, yet right? Or have I missed something?

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Bitching about this season = not a true Fringe fan

    by mongo126

    Fringe has great mythology, but it's always been driven by the characters....and there have been some great character moments this season. The only real throwaway episode was the tree people one. Other than that, it's been a great year. If you don't like it, sucks to be you. Doesn't really matter since we've only got 5 left. I'm choosing to enjoy the ride.

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    @skiprat1

    by Cactus228

    No I don't think we've gotten any ideas or clues as to how big this is, but after picking up the giant magnet, I'm guessing pretty huge. It almost seems too obvious to be a copy of the machine peter used to create the bridge between worlds. Who knows at this point.

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Wave Sink Device/EMP?

    by Keith

    If Walter can build something that his son could use to control the multiverse, why not a machine to kill the tech in every Observers head? EMP, anyone? Just my guess, but based on high power source, giant magnet and the like that might be the way they're going. I will miss this show when it's gone. However good and sometimes downright annoying it's been (Olivia's Nimoy impersonation) it still entertains, makes us think, and is better than 99% of the reality crap on the idiot box.

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Ah Fringe, how I love thee. Let me count the ways.

    by cozy

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 5:07 p.m. CST

    It is starting to sink in that this is the end...

    by monkey_tamer

    I am so going to miss Fringe. I'm loving this final season, but I can see where some think it has LOST its way (pun intended). I give the show a lot of leash because it has tried things that most shows would never have the balls to go for. I can even enjoy the rough patches on certain levels (e.g. Olivia/Bell) because at least I know they are trying to do something different. They may be miss the mark, but so many shows nowadays don't even try. They just plug characters into the same old formulas, season arcs and standard resolutions that it just mind numbing. At the end of the day, I think I will look back and like this series better than LOST. The creators have tried to wrap up the majority of the questions they raised and give the fans some type of answers (maybe not all great answers, but answers). Plus, I've really come to really care about all the main characters. Looking forward to what I hope will be a great final few episodes!

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Olivia/Bell was hilarious.

    by Smerdyakov

    God, what a bunch of sourpusses!

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 8:24 p.m. CST

    I have loved Fringe

    by theGoldbergV

    End of season 2 to about 3/4 of season 3 was awesome. Last year was OK but never quite reached that same high. This year I'm just not feeling it, maybe it's the reduced budget, maybe its that one of the showrunners has left, the lack of Broyles or Nina doesn't help, but it's moved away from what made it so good. The Observers have always been there but this year despite them being the focus we haven't really learnt much about them and they certainly seem easier to kill/evade than they used to be. The character work is good and obviously the 3 leads are excellent but everything seems a lot smaller and less epic this year. Odd considering the stakes have never been higher... But I miss the old days of crazy shit happens, Fringe team turn up, Walter acts crazy but is a genius, Olivia's a badass, more crazy shit, watch out for the Observer, some link to the mythology, the end. That was a good formula, don't know why they had to mess with it. It's a show that always took risks and that is great, but basically since Peter removed himself from reality I don't think any of those risks have really worked. After 5 years I'm invested in the characters and will see it out to the end but its more out of habit now.

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST

    LSD Trip..

    by adml_shake

    Was everything I thought it would be for Walter! That was perfect.

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Artistic, moving, tense, and Python!

    by NudeandAroused

    "Fringe" is going out with its head held high! Great episodes! Terry Gilliam would be proud!

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Fringe

    by skiprat1

    Haven't watched yet, going to download and watch tomorrow while working. My hopes for a Mulder and/or Scully background cameo are fading fast.

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 10:14 p.m. CST

    @Pa

    by MrLongbaugh

    How's it going Amigo? I don't know if you have the Jaws Blu yet, but they are on sale at Best Buy for $9.99. I got mine today. What kind of Blu-ray collection would I have without Jaws, LOL? Hope things are going well for you and your family.

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 11:23 p.m. CST

    What if Walter DID create a new world?

    by Smerdyakov

    And five years of Fringe have just been Walter playing with his new toy?

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Haven episode pre-empted due to Shooting

    by GeptaOO1

    what the fuck is wrong with this world.... i mean just in the past week we have Shootings at schools and malls, and stabbings in schools as well. fuck

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 12:25 a.m. CST

    What if it's all been Olivia in the tank since S1?

    by houdini1926

    Only thought that because I'm revisiting the first season to see how much the show has changed.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Fringe Spoiler

    by GlyphGuy

    Sam Wiess??? Boy observer??? Bad Walter??? Hot(literally and figuratively) assistant??? Awesome!!!!

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 3:38 a.m. CST

    Best yet

    by horvak

    That was one of my favourite Fringe eps yet, the LSD trips were funny and John Noble is at the top of his game with this character, he deserves heaps of awards for his work on this show. It's cool to see earlier story threads being woven into this one.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 4:17 a.m. CST

    Holy batfart bungnuts fringenozzle!

    by mongo126

    If every episode of Fringe was this awesome it would have stomped the life out of every show in the history of entertainment. I just about peed my pants when they went Monty Python LSD trip. You think they have to go one direction and they throw a jewel in like this. Walter's battle with his demons is such a tough subject and to do it like this.....GENIUS!!!!

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 7:40 a.m. CST

    re:Fringe spoilers, best yet

    by IceTitan

    Totally agree, that was one of the best yet. Not only this season but of the entire series. I was afraid that with this being a shortened season that they wouldn't do their annual "trippy" espisode. I just about lost it when they did the Monty Python part too, that was so awesome! I also love that they're referencing the other timelines too, in a way it makes it less confusing.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Just realized this was 5x09

    by mongo126

    Since this season is short, just makes sense that the trippy episode ends in a 9. Watched again and that closing segment of Walter in the lab was one of the great unspoken scenes of all time. Has he lost his battle with the "old" Walter? Will he regain his memories (the "plan")? I do wish, with 4 episodes left, they would let us in on what "the plan" is. Minor complaint for what is one of the best series' exits ever.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Is it just me or does Anna Torv and Joshua Jackson lack chemistry?

    by Judge Briggs

    And their daughter is super SUPER hot.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Olivia and Peter are suffering from "Sam and Diane" syndrome.

    by Smerdyakov

    Being a couple is not nearly as much fun as the anticipation of a relationship.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST

    By the way, are Peter and Oilivia married?

    by Smerdyakov

    You kind of assumed they were and that their daughter was legitimate, but then again, the whole family is pretty unconventional.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 8:39 a.m. CST

    I agree this is one of the best episodes they've ever done!

    by Rebel Scumb

  • His final visions revealed all the puzzle pieces and cause and effect of that decision, seems pretty inevitable now that that is where it is heading.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 8:42 a.m. CST

    I also feel pretty certain that Donald = September's real name

    by Rebel Scumb

    At this point who else could it be? And September has been mentioned in almost every episode but strangely not seen at all this season. We know he was helping Walter before the fringe team got ambered he knew about kid observer warned Walter about the invasion It was explained last year that September is a code name I think the whole Peter becomes an observer then removes the tech story was to set up the idea of Donald/September could remove his own tech, and become more human, grow hair etc.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 8:42 a.m. CST

    smerdyakov, I believe so. They are both wearing wedding bands

    by Rebel Scumb

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST

    If Donald were September....

    by Smerdyakov

    Wouldn't they have said "One day this weird bald guy in a suit showed up"...

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Not if he is no longer bald and wearing a suit

    by Rebel Scumb

    If he's un-Observerified himself I think that's part of why they had that arc with Peter, to show it is possible for a human to become an observer, and to go back to being a normal human, at least to an extent. I could be wrong, but unless this whole Donald thing is just, some guy we've never seen before, I'm not really sure who else they could have it be, and at the same time it would allow them to address September in some fashion this season. Also we don't know his real name. where as if it was William Bell or another pre-established character, then there's the whole business of why did they change their name.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Two things I'd like them to explain...but they probably won't.

    by Smerdyakov

    Why observers like their food extra spicy and why none of them wear jeans and a t-shirt.

  • Curious ... And why there are no female observers?

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Ver are your vomen???!!!

    by Rebel Scumb

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Rebel scumb, you may be right

    by mongo126

    I was really hoping this was leading to the creation of the Machine, but with what they showed during that scene in the lab, they are leading you down that path. Walter has constantly talked about a "plan", so it's more like he wants to do something to change the events, not build something. However, what does unsaving Peter accomplish? The Observers are still going to destroy their world. They will still need to leave to continue to exist. Hell, I don't care, it's as good of an end as any. After last night, I'm fully trusting Wyman & Co. Wheeeeeeeee

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Love this season, loved this ep

    by Jimbobsq

    Anna Torv and John Noble each deserve an award for the way they've been able to sell so many unlikely plotlines and concepts, throughout the whole series. And Olivia/Nimoy was awesome.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST

    September

    by Michael Gunn

    Could not have removed his tech and still live. That's why Peter had to have the tech removed when he did so he could go back to the way he was. They did say that if Peter's brain got to a certain point there was no turning back.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Does olivia even have powers anymore

    by kingoflight

    Fringe lost most of it's wow factor after the machine.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST

    mrlongbaugh

    by Paul

    Yeah I'm still in the stone age and donn't have a DVD player, for me its not a big enough jump to justify a purchase yet. But then I also hate 3D.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    What a great episode!

    by Paul

    Mention of Sam Weiss (sad to see him dead). We got to see the child Observer again still as a child (yet different actor since the original ios a teenager by now) Great knod to Monty Pythons animation. This one was a lot better then their previous animation attempt. Plus the return of Walters lab assistant and the scenes from previous episodes playing in his mind, also it was a really nice touch for them to give Nina her 80's hairstyle. Great episode all in all.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    I'm curious though who was the green fairy?

    by Paul

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    My theory on the plan/device

    by Paul

    is that with all of the talk about saving Peter and Walter originally going to the other side along with the fact that Seth Gabel (Lincoln Lee) was in the 100th episode/finale photos that the plan/device to to open up the Alternate world door and somehow get help from them. Thus bringing things back full circle of season one being who are these people on the other side and the following seasons being getting to know them, this also allows us to see the effects of closing the bridge since the two worlds were so intertwined.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    the green fairy is or was

    by Matthew

    the absinthe fairy? Since Walter was on LSD figure he had some absinthe too

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Anna Torv - Natural and Sensual Beauty

    by Red_Right_Return

    She shines when on the screen. P.S. I have loved every episode of Fringe from start to finish.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST

    pa_burrows no DVD player?

    by mongo126

    Do you have dial up, too? Horse and buggy? 8 track in your car? LOL

  • See what I did there... ;)

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Lol

    by Smerdyakov

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Sense of taste

    by Paul

    Its kind of implied that the Observers lost all feeling including their sense of taste when they stuck those devices in their neck.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST

    It's a decent show

    by brad negrotto

    but they lost their way. I hate how they just threw in Sam is dead. This show was so promising in the first few seasons. I think they just didn't have a plan, and all things from those early seasons have gone to the wayside.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Fringe Endgame...Pt1

    by John Muse

    Okay... bear with me... Don't read this if you have not seen past seasons. Some key moments from the past: 1. September admits making a mistake by interrupting Walternate finding the cure for Peter. Other Observers tell him that he would have an opportunity to fix things. September saves Peter/Walter from drowning in the lake and tells Walter that the boy must live. 2. After Peter is pulled out of the timeline but starts bleeding through, September refuses to use the device that would erase Peter completely. 3. Later in the season, Peter repairs the beacon and rescues September from exile. September explains that the beacons are how they find the universe. He also tells Peter that was pulled out of the timeline because he had a child with the wrong Olivia. 4. The machine that had joined the two universes had started repairing the damage in the alt-Universe. Unfortunately the machine had to be turned off to stop DRJ and William Bell's plan. 5. It was hinted that the First People were Walter and others who sent the pieces of the machine back. 6. September pops into Walter's lab and says "They are coming".

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Fringe Endgame...Pt2

    by John Muse

    First, I don't think the answer is letting Peter drown. If it were, they could have left him pulled out of the timeline and September could have pushed the button to erase him completely. I think the key were September's words "THEY are coming". He's not saying "We". Perhaps I am too literal on this but I believe the Observers that invaded are the future of the Alt-Universe. Because of what Walter did and then having to shut down the machine, their universe continues to die and forces them to invade our side where the universe was not damaged. Possible evidence to support this is the Observer skin complexions. September and the Observers in S1-4 did not look rough in the face. The invading Observers have different looking skin. In fact, the young Observer boy has the same complexion as the invaders. Perhaps he was a "test" attempt to send someone back into time from the future. I think "the plan" is to fix/start the machine. If the machine is fixed, it should repair the machines and remove the need for alt-Observer invasion. I don't think it was a coincidence that Sam Weiss (albeit his corpse) made an appearance - he was an expert on the machine. Donald (September) was working with him to figure out how to repair the machine. What is the end-shot? After the machine is running again, the alt-Observers vanish and the invaded world is gone. We see time-flash segments starting with Olivia and Peter in the park with young Etta finishing her run into Peter's arms and continuing as Peter-Olivia-Etta have the life moments that they missed in the invaded world. An older Olivia and Peter are watching Etta's wedding (in the rain) and a rainbow appears. Olivia looks up and the universe flips to the alt-Universe and older alt-Olivia and Lincoln are seeing a rainbow on their side. Beyond that: Walter likely has to sacrifice himself to make this happen and maybe the beacons have to be destroyed so the Observers cannot come back.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Correction

    by John Muse

    I meant to say - I think "the plan" is to fix/start the machine. If the machine is fixed, it should repair the alt-Universe and remove the need for alt-Observer invasion.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Walter's assistant

    by ShadowVision

    Was I the only one that got that "Walter is having an affair with his assistant" vibe? Particularly since it is the Walter of past who sees himself as all powerful and there is more temptation for powerful men to do that sort of thing.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST

    jmuse, I like the way you are thinking

    by mongo126

    but, at this point, I just don't think they've got time to pull it off. as pa_burrows can attest, I've been saying the the perfect circle for the series is to build the Machine to get rid of the Observers and then send it back in time. I hope you're right, but I'm thinking with just 4 episodes left they really don't have time to do it.

  • Dec. 16, 2012, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Mongo

    by John Muse

    Thanks... I think they can do it. E10 - Things move forward to finding Donald. We see that it is September for the cliffhanger. Preview showed the Observer-boy touching Nina and my guess is he heals her. Find another object? E11 - All pieces to the plan are assembled and Donald is rescued. Plan is not fully revealed but perhaps they tease that the Machine must be fixed...on both sides. Episode ends with Observer-boy touching Olivia and she collapses. E12 and E13 - Plan is revealed and objects are put to use: 1. Crystals from E3 - Power source to restart the machine. 2. Plans from E4 - Tells how to build the part/device to restart the machine. 3. Observer-boy from E6 and E9 - He healed Olivia to restore her Cortexiphan abilities. 4. Beacons from E7 - Used for parts/frequency for the final part. Maybe the machine, once the new part is added to restart it, will heal the other universe but also disable all of the beacons in both universes. 5. Magnet from E8 - No idea. Used to locate something? EMP? Each final episode covers the restart of a machine. With her abilities restored, Olivia takes everyone to the other side to fix that machine. Somewhere in there, Walter sacrifices himself to gain redemption. Wouldn't be surprised if Windmark is in the position to stop everything but realizes that the heroes will save the worlds and negate the need for the invasion. He allows the heroes to complete their mission.

  • Dec. 16, 2012, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Walter's Redemption

    by John Muse

    Not sure why I didn't think of this sooner. We've seen Peter and Olivia as people that the Machine was programmed for. This time it would be Walter who can activate the repaired machine with the understanding that the person doing it would die. It closes the loop.

  • Dec. 16, 2012, 1:18 a.m. CST

    You guys are way off mark regarding Fringe

    by SonicRiver

  • Dec. 16, 2012, 1:30 a.m. CST

    You focus on the machine, but...

    by SonicRiver

    the focus should be on what has been hidden from view. *We know that there are two universes, and that Walter discovered a way to cross between universes in order to rescue alternate universe Peter. *We know that when Peter activated the Machine, he disappeared from view, and that the observer said that this should be expected because he never existed. *From this episode, we have Walter experiencing visions of the lab assistant who died in a fire in the lab. We have previously been led to believe that his mental issues were caused by her death, and that he blamed her death on his megalomania. We have also previously been led to believe that his megalomania involved wanting to cross over into the other universe. *However, in this episode the lab assistant mentioned that walter wanted to create his own universe from scratch. If Walter created universe B from scratch, so that he could observe how to make a treatment to save original universe Peter, then this means that alternate universe Peter never existed. *This would mean that the observers could have been an unintended consequence of creating universe B, and that a resolution would involve preventing Walter from ever creating universe B, which would mean Peter wouldn't exist, and that Olivia would never meet Walter. *Anything less then this would be a cop out.

  • Dec. 16, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST

    sonicriver

    by adml_shake

    *However, in this episode the lab assistant mentioned that walter wanted to create his own universe from scratch. If Walter created universe B from scratch, so that he could observe how to make a treatment to save original universe Peter, then this means that alternate universe Peter never existed.

  • Dec. 16, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    The alternate universe was always there, but

    by mongo126

    I like what I'm reading. Just about all of these scenarios drip with awesomeness. I do think that the alternate gang has to play a role in the finale....which is also awesome.

  • Dec. 16, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Herc- Question about the Monty Python scene

    by jtp8000

    Was that an old Monty Python clip or did Terry Gilliam or someone else create it for the show?. The animation really looks like Gilliam which is why I asking and that looks like something they would do

  • Dec. 16, 2012, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Donald better be someone we recognize! Or I'll be pissed!

    by tangcameo

    He better be Agent Lee, or Agent Scott, or someone whose name got changed because of the non-Peter timeline. Or Walter screwed up his name, like he does with Astrid, and he just stuck with it. It cannot be some guest star, or out of the blue deus ex machina character that sets everything right and is only there for that purpose. And he SO BETTER NOT BE another one of those anonymous Canadian actors, like the guy with the beard from Friday's episode who most of us recognize from The Killing.

  • Dec. 16, 2012, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Speaking of September

    by mongo126

    If you go back to Letters In Transit, Walter mentioned how what happened to him was "unexpected". Better pony up there Fringe. I really like the thought of getting the alt-universe back involved. Man, I have a feeling these last 4 episodes are going to be bugnuts awesome.

  • Dec. 17, 2012, 4:49 a.m. CST

    They will 'defeat' the obervers...

    by Gezoes

    That will be it, nothing more. Sadly.

  • Dec. 17, 2012, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Fringe Season 5

    by Adam

    is much better than the last two seasons - i thought all the alternate-universe stuff was absolute shite. Also - i dont watch Haven, but that Elena/Drake reunion was excellent. How long before Nolan North gets his own show????

  • Dec. 17, 2012, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Python-esque

    by Keith

    Best part of the show. Gleefully irrelevant (he had already remembered the password in the taxi) but the most "WTF???" fun I've had watching this all year.

  • Dec. 17, 2012, 10:09 a.m. CST

    The only way Donald is September

    by John Brown

    is if he's been "De-Observerized." Otherwise wouldn't the couple taking care of the boy have completely distrusted him, since it happened after the invasion?

  • Dec. 18, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    SEPTEMBER IS NOT DONALD

    by jtp8000

    Too obvious

  • Dec. 19, 2012, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Donald

    by GlyphGuy

    http://fringepedia.net/wiki/Donald_Long What if it was simply this Donald who in this timeline is attempting to combs at the observers as part of the resistance?