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Mr. Beaks Visits Bad Robot And Learns A Thing Or Two About STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS!

Published at: Dec. 12, 2012, 6:06 p.m. CST by AICNStaff

 

After spending most of my Monday at J.J. Abrams's Bad Robot headquarters in Santa Monica, I've concocted perhaps the craziest STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS theory yet. It's a wild one, so just follow me on this.

I think it might be a really good movie.

I've arrived at this conclusion based on a careful examination of the nine-minute prologue (coming December 14th to an IMAX theater near you), and a series of presentations from several key contributors to the film. I'm also taking into account the good vibes that course throughout the Bad Robot facility. It is, with the sole exception of Pixar, the cheeriest working environment I've ever encountered; no one can be this happy whilst working on a mediocrity, much less a flop. And then there was the post-presentation reception, where journalists rubbed elbows with damn near the entire crew of the Enterprise (minus Simon Pegg and Anton Yelchin), the mysterious John Harrison (Benedict Cumberbatch), the screenwriters (Alex Kurtzman, Roberto Orci and Damon Lindelof), and the mighty Mr. Abrams. 

It's days like this where I realize how fortunate I am to do what I do: take a stroll to the bar, and suddenly I'm discussing Atom Egoyan movies with Bruce Greenwood. But it also makes objectivity extremely difficult. Everyone is so damn nice (and the booze is so damn free), that I don't want to see them fall short of making a great STAR TREK movie. Abrams was especially pleasant, humoring my nerdy inquiries about the plausibility of a submersible USS Enterprise even though, deep down, he probably wanted to shake me and scream "Lighten up, Poindexter! It's a popcorn movie!" (His actual response wasn't that far off: "If that's the thing that's going to keep you from seeing the movie, great! Enjoy your reruns!") Sure, it's a PR event designed primarily to generate international buzz for a movie that was largely a U.S. phenomenon, but I've been doing this long enough to know the difference between feigned enthusiasm and genuine pride in one's work. These guys believe they've got the goods, and they can't wait to get the film out there.

My role in this transaction is to get all charged up from an in-depth look at the crafting of the opening nine minutes, and to pass along that excitement to the AICN readership. What's more, Abrams and company were careful to hide little clues throughout the presentation in the hope that we'll start connecting dots that may or may not want to be connected. Our old pal Drew McWeeny has ventured out on a branch regarding a TREK character named Robert April, while Jen Yamato, with a little help from Alice Eve, has found a way to link Charlie X with Gary Mitchell. Meanwhile, the ongoing Khan/Not-Khan debate got a little more interesting yesterday when it was casually revealed that Eve is playing Carol Marcus. STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS' setting of 2259 places us roughly in the vicinity of "Space Seed" (in the original series' timeline, the Botany Bay was discovered in 2267), and two years out from Marcus giving birth to her son David. Add to that the hand-to-glass WRATH OF KHAN homage in the trailer and a couple of intriguing references in the prologue, and it's beginning to look a lot like this is some kind of Khan narrative.

Slashfilm's Germain Lussier and I asked Abrams directly about the glass shot in the trailer, and while he freely admitted it's a direct homage, he claimed that its inclusion had everything to do with emphasizing emotion for an international market that isn't pre-sold on STAR TREK. As for the nudges in the prologue, Abrams swore that the nine minutes were never meant to be excerpted as a marketing tool, so why drop in a bunch of cutesy references?

Fair enough, but there is a game being played here, just as there was with CLOVERFIELD and SUPER 8, and that's fine so long as there's something of substance in Abrams's trusty "Mystery Box". So what's there to be gleaned from Monday's presentation? Here are my big takeaways:

 

1) I asked Michael Giacchino about what I believed to be a telltale WRATH OF KHAN cue in the opening nine minutes. His response. "That's not what it is. Even just writing it, I never even thought of that. But I have listened to that score a million times as a kid, so who knows?" He later brought up Ravel as an influence for both himself and Horner. It could be a coincidence, but my ears tell me otherwise. (Giacchino also added that he could completely re-score this sequence. He also won't get around to scoring the rest of the movie until early next year.)
2) Cumberbatch's John Harrison is one stylish cat. We were shown the clothing the Enterprise crew (plus Harrison) wears when they visit the Klingon planet of Qo'noS, and Cumberbatch's harsh-climate attire is a long black overcoat with a thick, fanned-out collar that reminds me of Deckard's trench from BLADE RUNNER. Funny that, as STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS costume designer Michael Kaplan received his first feature credit thirty years ago on, you guessed it, BLADE RUNNER.
3) Abrams and visual f/x supervisor Roger Guyett gave their otherworldly environments a realistic touch by first shooting practically on a Playa del Rey parking lot. Basically, the actors are surrounded by greenscreens as they mimic hurtling through thick red foliage or swan diving off the top of a London skyscraper, and the real outdoor lighting is incorporated into the final shot. While this won't stand out as you're watching the film, this little flourish is of great assistance in the selling of the illusion.
4) Klingons. Yes, there are Klingons in STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS, and they look pretty much as they did in that deleted scene from Abrams's first movie. How significant a role will they play in this film? No clue. We did get to see the full-body armor worn by the Klingons, and it's appropriately fierce. Still not sure how I feel about them wearing combat helmets, but that's a hopelessly nerdy quibble.
5) From this point forward, I'd prefer to know as little as possible, so let's hope there's radio silence from the Bad Robot gang until they start screening the finished film for the press next year. They've scattered enough breadcrumbs for now. Let us speculate wildly for the next few months, while you guys focus on topping the last movie.

 

All that's left is to check out the prologue this weekend, so you can join in the fun of overanalyzing nine minutes of one of next year's most anticipated blockbusters.

Faithfully submitted,

Mr. Beaks

 

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  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Khan's been done...

    by Pete Susoev

    How about something...yknow...new?

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:14 p.m. CST

    links just bring me back here

    by Adelai Niska

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST

    STAR TREK AFTER OBLIVION

    by BD Mahony

    FURTHST!!!

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:16 p.m. CST

    I know people are annoyed by the games Abrs is playing...

    by heyoucantlaughatthat

    But I like it.Theres Nothing wrong with not being entirely certain about a movies plot details before you watch it. I can imagine how it would be frustrating for a filmmaker to have the big twist they try to conceal revealed by careless marketing or whatever.

  • Fixxored. :)

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:16 p.m. CST

    KINO... KINO... KINO...

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Hmmm, it's like a bad Vegas buffet restaurant in here.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Probably a fair amount of misdirection going on....

    by kgreene

    ... so I'm just gonna wait and find out what's what. We're gonna hurt ourselves trying to figure it all out. I do like what I've seen so far.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Nice one hardboiled...

    by Pete Susoev

    I tip my hat at you, sir. An entire new timeline to play with and Abrams opts for ass distilled nostalgia. Well, it worked for Lucas...right?

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:25 p.m. CST

    New villian, old villian who cares!

    by ray a

    Its about tell the best and most entertaining movie possible. If they can do that with Khan then so be it.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Sorry, I'm just not excited for this.

    by Ash Talon

    Submerging the Enterprise in an ocean is akin to having the starships built within Earth's atmosphere. Requiring the ships to be assembled in space and restricting them from entering atmospheres has an element of science and logic. It seems Abrams and company are just going for "cool" visuals without worrying about logic. Yeah, I nerdy complaint, but it's how I feel about a lot of this teams' projects. The bypassing of intelligence for the audience moment.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST

    I've OD'd on ID

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Time to watch some TNG in HD

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST

    I posted my idea for a Khan reboot here a few years ago...

    by Smoke Monster Loves Kate

    Perhaps it can be found if it's still archived. My idea was that they basically find Khan, either by accident or at the behest of Old-Spock, clone him (while leaving everyone asleep), enroll the clone at Starfleet to have him on their side (who couldn't use a guy like that?) to deal with an impending threat (Klingons). Khan-clone and Kirk clash since Starfleet isn't big enough for both of their egos, first as rivals, then as outright enemies as Khan-clone inevitably becomes megalomaniacal, pushing a "human first" ethnocentric agenda. Kirk is unable to convince the rest of Starfleet or the Federation. Due to the Klingon threat they are begrudgingly forced into cooperating for much of the film at the same time as they continuously try to sabotage each other with it culminating in Khan taking charge of a final battle at Earth, Kirk saving the day, Khan taking credit, Kirk and the Enterprise escaping as rebels as Khan crowns himself King/Emperor of humanity, effectively forming a new Terran Empire and turning the Federation/Starfleet into a glorified United Nations (and humanity into their equivalent of the current USA). Then Khan gets nuttier in his thirst for ultimate power and tries to become a god (going down a Gary Mitchell-like route) and Kirk & co. stop him in a sequel, probably at the expense of Spock. This was before they announced anything for this film and now the talk of Gary Mitchell vs. Khan for the villain and all this mystery has me intrigued.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Klingon's better not always have their faces covered again.

    by Charlie

    That makes it look even cheaper than the bad make up in the past. It's an alien! Lets put a mask on it!

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Yeah but cedhollywood

    by Pete Susoev

    We used to that with articles in the form of these archaic information delivery devices called magazines. I have an old issue of Famous Monsters that is chock full of theories based on scenes from Empire regarding Vader and the third film. It was full of mystery and hope and excitement. Now people just want to see who gets the best nutpunch before the movie comes out so they can pad their egos with SEE I TOLD YOU SO. Khan worked because it had nostalgia attached to TOS. It worked because the director knew how to force Shatner to not overact (as per the special feature on the DVD). It is lightning in a bottle, you can't recreate that no matter how many times you try to create a conduit to the original source. It is lazy and half assed film making. JJ's last attempt was a fun movie, but wasn't much of a Star Trek film. It was visually appealing but lacked emotion and depth...but that could also be linked to nostalgia. We couldn't have the original cast running around...fuck, Spock's dentures annoy the shit outta me once I noticed it....and if they wanted to allow the series to transcend to a new audience they needed to do something before the old beast died of withered old age. They did it, in a fucked sense, but they did....they have the chance to do something completely new. But no, let's go back and do a retread....that's bullshit, even if its just to spark conjecture and theories. Rather than have the trailer speak for itself we're just gonna satiate rage and conspiracy theories to get some momentum going. People will be more focused on who the fuck is Gabbo rather than what the fuck kind of film we are making. Instead of bitch about lense flares and horny vulcans they'll dissect every scene to figure out if its Khan, Mitchell, Soran or Aunt Jemima. So fuck him if he's going to retread. Leave Khan out, stop being a pussy, and try and do something new.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Piss off trollies.

    by DigitalBeachWar

    God forbid that another vision exists beyond your absurd expectations.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST

    I will say it again...

    by Brandon Dillard

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST

    ships on planets

    by percane

    i wish people would get over this. it's been canon for ages. not just talking ToS, but Voyager landed on planets. with landing gear. do people complain about yamato being able to function underwater and in space? or the pheonix from gatchaman/battle of the planets?

  • the tech is dated. Of course they should have robots and drones and transforming shuttles that can adapt to different environments. You don't THINK. You just copy. You don't ADAPT. You rest on your laurels. Now watch as all other franchises surpass your tired ideas.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Nevermind I'm just chastising you.

    by UltraTron

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Klingon's better not always have their faces covered again.

    by Mattman

    Yes, because THAT'S what will determine whether or not this is a good movie.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST

    (Above should be in quotes)

    by Mattman

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Like I was trying to say again...

    by Brandon Dillard

    The Enterprise can enter the atmosphere. Have you people never heard of Anti-grav? Structual Integrity Fields? Shields? Deflectors? Tritanium Hull Plating? No? Flying through water would be easy. The original series Enterprise was designed to land on planets. Budget constraints disallowed this. But it was finally done in Voyager. And Creepythinman, you are the most vile mouthed hate for hates sake person I have ever read on these forums. Does your mother know you talk like this? Shame.

  • I figure John Harrison is going to be a crew member who somehow gets augmented when they come into contact with the SS Botany Bay or some other method connected to Khan and the people on that ship. Gary Mitchell's godlike powers would be too weird except perhaps as a looming threat (the villain is seeking to gain them and must be stopped before doing so). It combines the Mitchell and Khan storylines. It could be someone awoken from Khan's ship, but the original John Harrison, if I'm not mistaken, was a crewmember with a bit part (and Khan choked him out on the bridge I think). That would explain why they go back to Earth (London it sounds like). What would Mitchell want to do with Earth? A Khan-type augment, however, would want to take over Earth. There's a decent chance Khan himself will be mentioned because of Old-Spock. And that Old-Spock dies again because now they have an expendable Spock, an opportunity too good to pass up on for Hollywood writers. All that said, I'm hoping it's not nearly so predictable and is better than this. I do think the title gives away a potential Empire-Strikes-Back style cliffhanger ending (and the one I posted here earlier would probably be the best kind of such ending involving a Khan-type augment).

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Bring on more dune buggies I guess.

    by UltraTron

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    THIS MOVIE WILL ROCK AND UBER-PROFESSIONAL FACT!!!

    by Brandon Dillard

    You must believe me because I posted that in all caps!!!

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    First thing I'd do if I was Spock Prime

    by Pete Susoev

    Considering the fucker killed me and all- Yo, New Spock and New Kirk, go to these coordinates...there's a space ship...Botany Bay. Blow the fucker to smithereens. Cool, now we're even, live long and prosper and all that Surak jazz. Oh, and Kirk. If you and Carol ever have a son and he's eight years old accidentally sets fire to the living room rug... go easy on him.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST

    As Far As All The Haters Go All I Can Say Is.......

    by Real Deal

    Yawn! I'm pretty much convinced already that I'll love this film! I could be wrong but I doubt it. Star Trek as it was had written itself into a hole it couldn't get out of. I'm saying this as a loyal fan who loves almost every filmed minute of it! That being said as Spock would say : To hunt a literary canon to extinction is not logical. So here's to the new Trek!

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 7 p.m. CST

    If it wrote itself into a literary hole...

    by Pete Susoev

    ...why then crawl back into the hole when you can just start a new one. Shoveling dirt from one hole into another would only get you two half filled holes, or two half empty holes depending on your general view of life from a psychoanalytical point of view. Fill in one mound completely and just start a new one with fresh dirt and a little dash of manure and got to town. Grow yourself a nice garden, water it often, allow it to bear fruit. I really dunno wtf I'm talking about. Star Trek got stale, and something new was needed. Enterprise was a good series (with the shittiest theme) but the studios wanted something new apparently (fuck i really wanted to see the Romulan War). Its just pure laziness to retread...JJ IS hunting literary canon to extinction. As an audience I wanna be oohed and aahed and courted and flirted with. Pick up the check even, look into my eyes oh sooo deeply lovingly. Not 'oh this shit again, okay...maybe it'll be cool...different...kinda the same'. Fuck I'm not married to it.

  • Extremely disappointed Beaks didn't ask JJ about Star Wars.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST

    first in line. freaking facebook freudian slips...

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

  • one of the first things I would do, as Spock, is warn of Khan and the Borg. And by that same token, if Khan were found and revived, the 1st thing he would do is find a way to change his appearance. It didn't take them long to figure out who he was in Space Seed, and freak.(though I have no idea why he would change his accent, or give a shit about England)

  • J.J. Abrams' dick says the movie looked good.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 7:15 p.m. CST

    FUCK...........THIS...........MOVIE.

    by NorthTronic

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST

    @lox4444

    by Pete Susoev

    Ya, that's what bugs me the MOST about the new Trekverse. They have a conduit to an alternate timeline that can act as an oracle that KNOWS the consequences of certain actions. Certain shit, like Khan and the Borg, can be prepared for or even remedied before they hit. If Abrams wanted to go back to the well, why not tackle shit we've seen but look at the flip side...like that novel that links V'ger to the fucking Borg or where that floating metal donkey cock came from in Voyage Home. Yes, there were novels, but novels aren't canon in Trek. I mean, couldn't Spock be all 'Yo, Klingons, stop mining, yer gonna blow yer planet up fuckheads'. Does the temporal directive apply to a universe he has no true connection to? Shit, what if they forcibly mind melded his ass to derive new technology from old Spock and change the direction of tech advancement completely in the New Trek verse. I went off my Pike chair there (did Harry ever do a Christopher Pike animation? Its perfect, lazy fuck in a chair) So ya, I'm still in bitter nerd rage over JJ not doing something new and even considering retreading an existing story. I mean shit, if it's any of the characters already mentioned, just ask Spock Prime. Was Garry Mitchell a problem? Yep Well, he's blown out of the airlock...NEXT...

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Why do the writers have to suck so much?

    by Mugato5150

    I mean Star Trek should attract the best and the brightest in sci-fi and instead they attract hacks like Orci.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST

    I stopped reading at 'booze'...

    by performingmonkey

    cause anything that followed was just gonna be way too fair and unbiased for me to stomach....;)

  • Why not? I mean we did get giant rubber hands and a star-ship powered by a brewery in the last movie.

  • How can his Cumberbatch kid possibly have anything to do with Kahn Noonien Singh, the genetically engineered superhuman tyrant who once controlled more than a quarter of the Earth during the Eugenics Wars of the 1990s (man, those sucked) and revived by Kirk from suspended animation in 2267? The hand in the glass, the Kahn *bwaaaaam* or whatever- Red Herrings, I say. So is this John Harrison malarky. <B> It is beyond irrelevant, but I'm leaning towards this John "red shirt" Harrison being the disguise of some kind of shape-shifter. Garth of Izar seems a likely possibility- his famous genocidal rampage would fit nicely in this alt timeline, and Garth rhymes with Darth. <BR> That Harrison could be a Changeling, Suliban, Chameloid, Devidian, Wraith, Vendorian, Kelvan, Species 8472, Rigelian hypnoid, Talosian projection or murderous holodeck anomaly are lesser possibilities, but, yep, a whole lotta shape-shiftin' goin' on in ol' Star Trek.

  • Sorry, Beaks, I read your article twice, and didn't see your theory, except that maybe you believe this is a Khan movie, which isn't that crazy at all. Lots of people are suspecting that. Not me, but lots of people.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Oh, I get it. Your theory is that it might be a really good movie. Got it.

    by American Mythos

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Arne Darvin? Saw this on io9, and thought... HOLY SHIT

    by Cartagia

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Hey, everybody: I just killed a mime!

    by Joe Cranford

    I'm sorry... what were you saying now?

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Hey Beaks - RE:Underwater Enterprise...

    by Sean1701

    If Abrams truly said that, doesn't it make him seem smug that he can take as many liberties as he wants in this revamped Trek universe?

  • lol. thats friendly and cheery? sounds more like a ''fuck u, star trek canon nerds.''

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Despite all my rage, I'm just a nerd in a cage!

    by T

    Yes, I know it's unlocked.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 8:03 p.m. CST

    In the 1990's, the Eugenics War happened = GRUNGE! ;-)

    by T

    Cumby is trying to bring it back! Aiiiiiii!

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Spock Prime: Hey guys, don't kill all the whales, save at least two.

    by Pete Susoev

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Hey Herc, how come you haven't reported on

    by DougMcKenzie

    Michael Dorn's attempts to get Star Trek: Captain Worf on the air? Apparently he's been pitching it for a couple of years and it might have legs now. I would love to see it on HBO or Showtime and be HYPER-violent and realistic. Worf commanding a Klingon crew (because I'm sick of good-two shoes Starfleet crap) I mean let's see Worf chopping off heads and limbs with his batleth, people screaming in agony as they slowly fall apart at the sub atomic level from disruptor fire. Opening scene can be Worf's first officer sitting in the captain's chair trying to take his command, followed by Worf decapitating him where he sits. This ain't your Grandpappy's Trek, Son.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Come to think of it, Spock Prime fucks up the whole universe....

    by Pete Susoev

    ....wouldn't a temporal agent show up and take him the fuck out? Or is that thinking too fourth dimensionally?

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Enjoy your reruns.

    by Boiiinng

    We do, JJ. That's the point. Star Trek is about struggle. Conflict. Trying to create a fighting chance from the limits of technology and communication. You don't just ignore the limits to make it easy for your protagonists to win by making up new limits. You work within the confines of those limits and be CREATIVE like the past 10 movies were. The rules have already been broken so a ship underwater is of no consequence. It's just a shame a cock like JJ is allowed to piss all over 40+ years of REAL creation just to pad his résumé.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST

    @ cedhollywood

    by Pete Susoev

    Ya man, I was just saying conjecture is what discussing movies is about, forum or otherwise. Its like sitting in a bar bullshitting over a flick, but some times it just regresses into bullshit. And yo man, I wasn't taking a potshot to you in the way I phrased the opening to the post...I was remembering how awesome it was before the the interwebs when I could theorize on my own or with a smaller group and still have a sense of wonder, hope and mystery in regards to a film. Now its Harry cumguzzling his reviews and people throwing fecal matter at one another.

  • To Re-reboot Trek! ;-P

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 8:38 p.m. CST

    The first ten minutes of star wars a new hope

    by Cedric Ford

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 8:48 p.m. CST

    God, my prime self is cringing so much I can feel it now...

    by Pete Susoev

    ...three years from now from being oversaturated with new Star Wars crap. Oh look, Boba Fett...fuck me.... This ten minute shill job works tho, gets people talking....personally I hate it, rather seeing the film and having the trailers being enough to wet my appetite. But to boiinng who mentioned the rerun thing...yes exactly. Even the shittiest Wesley Crusher episodes of TNG have more depth than the new Trek. But kids now a days what their Twilight, Hunger Games and Kardashians...so fuck it, guess it'll sell.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 9:05 p.m. CST

    No matter what, they have blockbuster in their hands

    by kbarber29

    J.J. Star Trek is the shot of adrenaline this series needed after Nemesis.

  • These AICN articles are not unlike like DAY OF THE TRIFFIDS, where the plants have evolved!

  • How does that differ from advertizing? At least we got an in-depth look at the villain's fashion sensibility.

  • We're also charging you for the pretzels, and Bruce Greenwood's drycleaning bills...

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 9:53 p.m. CST

    It might be bias...

    by darth_hideous

    ...but at least there was full disclosure.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Also, the hyperlinks do not work

    by darth_hideous

    Fix them???

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Chris Pine time to scream loudly into space

    by Matthew

    Jon HHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! instead on Kahn Harrisahn , now I could see a Space Seed type movie

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST

    People who point out Facts...

    by Bab5fan

    on this site need a new horse...this one is dead Jim. Pumped about this movie.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 11:18 p.m. CST

    John Harrison is like the Silver Surfer

    by schlockthemonkey

    He's only here to herald the arrival of KHAAAAAN

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 11:18 p.m. CST

    And that's no overanalysis on my part

    by schlockthemonkey

    You can quote me!

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 11:22 p.m. CST

    So why not the prequel to Wrath of Kahn, told in a new way?

    by mgs316

    This is the story that gets him stranded on Ceti Alpha V.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 11:24 p.m. CST

    ...then there's the normal plant varity: usefullius idiotus.

    by justmyluck

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zke_75rTPB8 A Hidden Enemy.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Does Harrison die and during the autopsy...

    by schlockthemonkey

    Bones cuts his chest open and Tribbles pop out?

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 1:42 a.m. CST

    (pull on collar, sticks neck out)

    by Glenn

    Sheesh, it's getting angry in here.

  • I will say one thing though...JJ knows how to get the Geek reporters slavering and their clits tingling doesn't he? Marketing Genius...

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Off topic? Sure it is.

    by UltraTron

  • Don't over think this: he will be Kahn and it will just be an ok film. It will leave folks wanting more though. Just like every other project they are involved with.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Star Meh. Meh Trek.

    by UltraTron

  • What's with all these stupid phrases that say absolutely nothing? Terms like "step up" and "it is what it is". "Popcorn movie" is one of those.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 3:15 a.m. CST

    wacky_packages

    by Glenn

    Please, keep up a running list. Someone has to call out the cliches so as to embarrass the over-users (poorly made up word, sorry -- it's late).

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 3:42 a.m. CST

    They filmed on a parking lot...

    by LarkStew

    ...so they could take advantage of the natural light. How terribly innovative. I'm sure movies have never done that since, ohh, the dawn of recorded time...

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 4:20 a.m. CST

    No, the helmets are not a 'minor quibble'...

    by Jaka

    ....their fucking cranial ridges are hard as steel. Why the fuck would they need helmets? <p> And the issue isn't the Enterprise going under water (which is fucking ridiculous), but WHY it went under water. The supposed answer, as well as his answer to your question, quickly sums up everything that's wrong with THEIR version of Star Trek: they don't give a fuck. <p> They don't give a fuck about the previous forty years; Roddenberry's intentions, ideals and motivations; or the huge portion of the fan base that they continue to alienate. You want the 'Summer popcorn movie crowd'? Fine! You got 'em. Congratulations. But Star Trek is fucking MORE than that. <p> Oh wait, I'm sorry. Nobody fucking cares, so let me return to my usual comment. <p> ...............................................No. Wrong.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Step up to see this braindead popcorn movie. It is what it is.

    by Larry_Sanders

  • Well that's reassuring, because both of those movies were not a complete an utter fucking shitball of style and FX over substance that disappointed vast swathes of the audience. Oh wait...

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 6:41 a.m. CST

    A starship in water?

    by Horned One

    Why not? It's already been established that a starship can withstand the gravitational forces in the vicinity of a black hole, it can travel through an atmosphere (it was built on the ground after all), it can hide in the cloud layers of Saturn, it can slingshot around a star to travel back in time... so sitting in the relatively low pressures of an Earth-like ocean should be a piece of cake.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Temporal prime directive

    by proevad

    Does anyone know if Spock Prime will stick to this or if it even applies in another timeline? Is he allowed to talk?

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 7:53 a.m. CST

    What does God need with a submarine?

    by buggerbugger

    MAKES NO SENSE!!!

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Star Trek 4 sinking Enterprise scene was shot at a Kmart parking lot

    by David Duchovny

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 8:18 a.m. CST

    It's an alien, let's put a mask on it

    by Casey4147

    Everyone griping about the Klingons and their masks are overlooking something - a storyline in ENTERPRISE season 4 where the some of the Klingon race suffer from a plague that humanizes them a little, they lose their "cranial ridge" and opens up an explanation as to why the TOS Klingons look nothing like the Klingons seen in TMP and later.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Are people really upset about the Enterprise under water?

    by Wcwlkr

    I mean it seems rather nit-picky to me. And it's a movie about the future, there's a whole host of unbelieveable tech. Yes Star Trek had tech that became a reality, but there's still tons of fantasy. We don't have holodecks it's just for fun, lighten up people.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Jaka

    by smackfu

    It's not that I don't care, quite the opposite, it's that I'm *delighted* by your anguish. It's sort of like when a 5 year old throws a screaming, crying fit because a toy bought for him is the wrong color or something, and the adults kind of chuckle because this kid is being far too dramatic over something they know is remarkably trivial. So I'll say to you the same thing I'd say to the kid. There are kids starving to death in Africa. Go tell them your world is coming apart because JJ Abrams put helmets on Klingons...

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 8:46 a.m. CST

    i liked the first one but I don't even remember

    by My best friend

    what is was about. Lots of lens flare.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST

    new Khan = new Willy Wonka

    by j_difool

    it's extraordinarily rare that you can one-up a great and memorable performance that made such a cultural impact. it's best to just stay far away. shrugging off the underwater concerns also strikes me as arrogant. that's shrugging off ALL logical flaws

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Diving off a London skyscraper - that's new info

    by catlettuce4

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Star Trek has always been...

    by JumpinJehosaphat

    ...about hopeful possibilities. All nations of the earth living together in peace? No science there, and a more unlikely notion than discovering some mysterious crystal that aids us in faster-than-likght travel. Dedication to science has always come at the cost of telling the story. They explained away issues like how spaceships speed up and/or slow down without breaking up by writing full-on fiction (in this case, inertial dampeners.) All the science in Star Trek -- and there's actually not very much -- serves the story. So, if it helps people get over the hump of "It's not logical or scientific to build a spaceship on earth," realize that there's a reason they can do it in the 23rd century that we haven't come up with, and then realize the shot served the plot, enabling Kirk to come to a crossroads and propel him to make the decision to join Starfleet. If you've ever looked to Star Trek for actual science, then I pity you.

  • with Abrams in the background dancing around like a jackass

  • The Enterprise being present or not for key events early on will have long term consequences on events. The Romulans might get more aggressive earlier if Balance of Terror had not gone the Federation's way. Really Spock can be sure of only a few things: V'ger should still arrive at Earth at the same time Same with the whale probe There are Borg out there they should be very afraid of The existance of the Dominion and Species #### They should get ready to stop the Romulan sun from going supernova in 200 years and creating the mechanism that drove Nero to want revenge. Thus getting us into a paradox that time travel creates that without Nero this new universe wouldn't exist.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Why is Spock supposedly stopping a volcano from erupting...

    by conspiracy

    ...so that a less advanced, non-warp capable civilization may survive? That is a direct violation of the Prime Directive...

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Ambramsverse TNG, DS9 Etc

    by Adam

    Am I the only one who would really like a TNG, DS9 etc show, movie, made for tv movie etc show set in the new timeline. I mean think about it, with Vulcan gone who knows if mom and dad Picard ever got around to making little Jean-Luc, and no reason to think he went the same route...he is probably running the family wine business. As for the Klingons - as stated in the previous movie Nero took out an entire armada of Klingon ships - leaving them vulnerable - perhaps the Romulans or even Cardi's came in and occupied them during their rebuilding stage. Imagine a TNG world where the Klingons are someone's bitches - which means Cardassia never would have given up Bajor and has control of the wormhole, thus probably meeting with the Dominion and starting an invasion much earier - and without the Vulcans the Federation is much more of a militaristic group - less science, more photorps. NCC1701 D or E - no Picard, No Data (who was found and disassembled and mass produced as an expendable soldier for the UFP) - and we could have little "in jokes" as crewman Riker is ordered to clean the head, or Julian Bashier as the head of Starfleet weapons development - Harry Kim as someones prison bitch...yeah...turn the whole damn world on it's ear...I like this idea!

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Trekkie Haters - I Feast On Your Tears

    by Sean

    Star Trek was, easily, the most entertaining summer popcorn movie of the last 5 years. This one looks even better. I don't care if the Enterprise is underwater. I don't care if the movie bastardizes your precious, shitty TV show. I just want to be entertained and moved. I was by the last one and I'm sure I will by this one. Hate away, losers!

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST

    I read the article -- where's the damn theory???

    by Jeditemple

    Did I just miss something or did this article not cover ANYTHING at all?

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST

    For all the trek types obsessing over Kahn, one word:

    by James_Camera_On

    Kahn-stipation. There's relief to be found in Kirk's office safe. All you need is the combination.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    No problem with Klingon helmets - kind of makes sense

    by rjl1138

    If you think about it, it makes sense - we never saw ridgy Klingons in the original series, only later. Enterprise had an arc explaining this with some temporary genetic disease that flared out after a couple of generations or something. So its not a stretch to reconcile with the original series by saying ridgy klingons went round with helmets during this time period while flat-foreheaded klingons went round bearing their shame without helmets. God, I can't believe I spent time justifying that to myself.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    What does it mean, "exact change?"

    by FlyingToupee

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST

    GET OUT! GET OUT OF THERE!

    by FlyingToupee

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Yes, Genesis! How can you be deaf with ears like that?

    by FlyingToupee

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Genesis allowed is not! Is planet forbidden!

    by FlyingToupee

  • oh wait different movie.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Impressive. They can make planets.

    by FlyingToupee

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST

    waaa batman retired because his girlfriend was killed

    by FlyingToupee

    Just thought I'd add that one.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST

    MADELINE KAHN IS BACK FOR HER VENGEANCE

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    FLAMES ON THE SIDE OF HER FACE = NIPPLES ON THE SPOCK SUIT

  • I understand maybe a strong disagreement over some things in film but all this other nonsense seems sooooo trivial. Kinda takes the FUN out of movies. Gimme a break people. IT'S SUPPOSE TO BE ESCAPISMMMMMMMMM!

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Paramount needs to bring on a proven show runner

    by proevad

    and get a new series in the works. Pay the money and get Vince Gilligan or Chris Carter and do it right this time. The viewers will be there if the writing is good this time.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST

    ALL of you haters are going to watch the movie. FACT.

    by AdmiralXizor

    Just try to enjoy the movie that's actually on the screen, instead of the fanfic treatment you wrote in high school that Paramount, much less anyone else, doesn't read or care about...

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST

    I'm a hater of hater haters!

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    hating hate is still hate so stop hating the haters and start loving "Garth of Izar" theory!

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Benjamin Finney

    by Cosmik

    There's a character who really wanted revenge on Kirk.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    slurp slurp gargle gulp

    by JAMF

    gee mister abrams your cum tastes ssooooooo gooooddd

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST

    boborci...boborci...boborci; Where is Roberto to stir the pot??

    by conspiracy

    Know the guy is busy...but he's been unusually distant regarding this film.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Hasn't Greenwood been exposed as a bullshitter?

    by Smerdyakov

    Yet you keep going to the poisoned well. Is he the only guy who will talk to you?

  • I fell for that shit for 5 seasons of LOST. I think it may be a really great series... It's a special magic they have, making you sail a drift on memories bliss. Setting up the itch that needs to be scratched all the while promising an orgasmic finale. They are the ultimate FILM BIZ pick-up artists. It's just that they don't deliver. It's the promise of the transcendent Vagina that's really the same ol, same ol.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Keep ponying up them $50s

    by entrainer

    Man, she got real close on the last 5 seconds during my last lap dance, maybe THIS TIME she'll go all the way... damn, so close... maybe THIS TIME...

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Why should a retread get this much attention?

    by Darth Macchio

    I'm not looking to hate here nor am I avoiding these films - I'm looking forward to see it actually. But I've seen a massive assload of threads related to ST:ID recently and it's just absurd how much conversation is going on over what is ultimately a retread/remake. they went to the trouble of creating an alternate timeline to be able to play in their own trek universe while still using the character's we've known for years. a clever idea that...but then, with that tiny bit of success, they promptly dismiss the notion and just work to retread stories we've basically already seen. this is essentially a fact. they might make changes but its the same characters and the same themes even if under different specific events. and that's all perfectly fine of course. hell, i'd wager we'd all still want to see it. i would for sure. but what is ultimately a remake simply does not merit this much theorizing and conversations. some? of course...more than some. everybody was very curious about the joker in nolan's film, etc, etc...not only a good thing but an expected thing. but, at this point, these incessant posts are something else entirely. it's almost taken on a life of its own. thread after thread after thread of the same manic posturing and pretzel twisting logic over their version of physics or who cumberbatch is going to be and all the other myriad details going back and forth. i think abrahms and crew are ultimately doing themselves a disservice with facilitating this (tho they may not have that much control outside of revealing plot details to stop it). like it or not, all this talk simply must amp the hype factor into the stratosphere and it just keeps getting higher and higher. if ST:ID isn't the same quality as the first one, much less actually better, i feel there will be geek head explosions left and right and a revolt and rejection of all this consternation over the tiniest detail in these trailers. still, i want this to be good. i don't give a shit who is who and what is what. but i can't help but think many of you will be deflated to some extent given that its all but impossible for ST:ID to be worthy of all the conversations and hype that has taken place over the last few weeks.

  • As seen in the mirror universe episodes where The Alliance (Klingon, Cardassians, and Bajorans) occupied Terra Nor, or whatever it's called. They didn't even know a wormhole exited because the Prophets never allowed themselves or their wormhole to be discovered by war mongering races. As far this timeline being completed different it would be interesting to see Spock Prime try and save the Romulan sun (or at least evacuate Romulus) to keep Nero's wrath from incurring, thus sending the timeline back to where it's supposed to be. Now I'm speaking as a long time Trek fan and someone who loved the first movie. I feel that this next one, continuity flaws and all, looks fun and I'll be there. However I do have a problem with Trek dumbing down for the masses. Furthermore I do feel like these smug bastards don't have the respect for Trek overall. Their response to Beaks sounds like something Michael Bay would say. (chill) Maybe the reason why Trek is no longer smart is because society is no longer smart when the guys who are paid millions to entertain us are total douche bags. In the end I remain optimistic. I will see Hobbit if only to satisfy my 48fps curiousity and to see the 9 minutes of Trek. But at the end of the day a Cracked article put things into perspective. These JarJar films aren't the worst things to happen to the Trek universe (canon and non-canon). Remember we did have both Enterprise crews meet the Xmen once upon a time. Hey, maybe the Mouse will by Trek and get the rights to Xmen back and hire McG to do the ultimate crossover. Come on people, while Hugh Jackman is still young(ish) looking.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    kindofabigdeal

    by donkey_lasher

    There's no going back to the original timeline for Spock Prime. Unless he goes back in time and stops Nero as soon as he emerges from the space wibbly thing. Everything should be different though apart from certain things that existed before Nero arrived in the past. JJ has already validated the entire Enterprise series with his reference to Archers beagle, so I'm guessing Khan is still a possiblity, but the Butterfly Effect as explained before should make a number of repeat events extremely improbable.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Was never a Star Trek fan, however...

    by Bob

    I was always a huge Star Wars fan, and never got into the Star Trek films. I always thought they were, well, dull. Over the last few years I went back and watched the movies, and for me it was very much hit or miss. One movie would be bad, the next pretty good. So you can feel MY pain when I had to sit through Jar-Jar (even though I still think he serves a purpose drawing the young 'uns in) I do have to say the newest Str Trek movie was just fantastic and extremey well done (I watch the blu ray from time to time). and I thought the whole alternate universe scenario was just brilliant...now let's see what they do with it.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Sifo Dyas...

    by KentButabi

    After Episode II my friends and I theorized for at least a year on what we thought - and I would still argue - was the mystery of Sifo Dyas. The screen time Obi spent investigating/pondering the secret actions of a long-dead Jedi master was so damn interesting to us, and many others. Was he the second Sith before Maul? Was he Sidious' master that we later learned he killed? At the end of the day the intentional question marks left in Episode II were never spoken of again. I still don't understand what the point of all that was. Adding the mystery and not doing anything with it. How does this tie into STID? I had a point but now I lost it. Dad gum it.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    AH - Sifo similarities...

    by KentButabi

    the changing of the timeline needs to have a purpose. They should not hit the same beats as in TOS, remake Kahn, etc. Like darth macchio said - they went to all that trouble to get a new sandbox - work it.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    but srsly, isn't Spock Prime an impossible paradox?

    by animatronicmojo

    Why does SpockP still exist if events have already been greatly altered? Doesn't his existence depend on NuSpock surviving all the way to later life and recreating the accidental time rift at exactly the same moment? Would SpockP's memories change as NuSpock experienced different events, a la Looper? <BR> Or, in this NuTrek's internal logic, do time travelers become completely severed from their previous timeline, allowing them to continue their existence independently without fear of Back-to-the-Future vanishing by butterfly effect? <BR> So, which is it? And please pick one or the other and stick to it, yeah, lest ye suffer from the infernal badgering of the continuity police!

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST

    KAAAAAAAAAHHHHNNN

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    No, the dress is taffeta. It wrinkles so easily.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Whole Lotta Nuthin' in this post

    by radii

    and not one new thing was learned

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Everbody just relax

    by CT1

    He isn't Christopher Nolan (even though he's trying his darkest- err, hardest to be), so let him keep trying to copy his tricks and enjoy the mediocre flashy CGI schlock that General Audiences will love (hope he finds a way to cram a Facebook joke in somehow)

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    I got a FEVER...and the only prescription...is more...

    by Darth Macchio

    Lens flare? Doesn't quite roll off the tongue like cow bell. Walken could pull it off tho. If he was in a vendetta sorta mood, anyway.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Magic ballasts the Enterprise has

    by ObiBen

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Spock Prime Paradox

    by KoolerThanJesus

    Based on the infinite universe theory, Spock Prime can still exist even if they someone stop Romulus' sun from going supernova in the future. ST:TNG addressed this in the Parallels episode. Worf was traveling through various other realities with slight differences like Picard died during the Borg incident. So technically Star Trek Prime timeline would still exist just their Spock appears to have disappeared along with Nero's ship into the past.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST

    @ koolerthanjesus

    by Pete Susoev

    Ya, but Spock Prime being in the parallel awards him all kinds of power of knowledge that could literally change the course of future history. This bullshit version of Khan should kill his ass off, that'd fix everything.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    DARK CITY HAS A HANDS ON GLASS MOMENT !!!

    by jazzdownunder

    OMfG - I never knew it was a Khan narrative in that movie.... Others ?

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 7:29 p.m. CST

    It's interesting to think how Spock prime could change the new reality

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    He was fairly casual about giving Scotty his transwarp equation - if he wanted to he could give the Federation a significant advantage with 30 years of technological advancement and information about future events. I keep wondering if that figures into the film, he provides some critical details, somebody gets a hold of the information and uses it to their advantage. Or, he could just make mad Quatloos by betting on Super Bowls.

  • Star Trek grossed $385,000,000. For an "event" movie that easily cost $200,000,000 (marketing included) that's not much. Abrams & Co. will have to do much, much better. Or this will undoubtedly be the last time Abrams & Co. do Star Trek (which would be good!).

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Dear J.J. Abrams, stop with your meta-fiction dreck!

    by The Comrade

    Why I was terribly disappointed with STAR TREK had most of all to do with the fact that the makers didn't even bother to tell an original story. They took the easiest way out by not making a new Star Trek movie but instead making a movie about other Star Trek movies. INTO DARKNESS seems to take this approach to new heights where you have a movie that's ultimately nothing else but a pastiche of references to the Star Trek universe and lacks its own voice. This intertextuality thing may work fine for a TV series but it sure as hell does not work for a movie. It also does not, I believe, work for a general audience. Geeks may enjoy the speculation and playing the meta game, but who else!? Seeing a movie that only takes pride in its "clever" references but which doesn't present any own ideas... THAT seems like a waste of time.

  • I don't give two shits what the new TREK is actuallly; I'll see it at matinee price by my lonesome. I've already made peace that it's NOT trek, neither the old, nor something new. It's just product, no more, no less.

  • Star Trek was pure genius and loved by many. They told a story that connected both the old and the new in the best possible way. It seems that once again; people like you are trying to hijack this once beautiful series and make it something for you selfish selves. You will lose in the end, my friend. I live, I die, and I live again!

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Does Bad Robot have a visitor's center with a statue

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    in honor of Asimov_Lives and LockesBrokenLeg?

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Alternate timelines in Trekverse

    by animatronicmojo

    Ah, that's right- that was an interesting episode with Worf traveling through the alternate timelines. <BR> So Star Trek adheres to "The many-worlds" and/or "Multiverse" theories? Meaning Spock Prime's timeline still exists, and he could perhaps, somehow, even return to it? <br> If so, that would explain why SpockP will perhaps not reveal any more knowledge from his timeline- by the logic that only through their own determinism, peaceful exploration and conscientious decisions, will the Federation of this timeline succeed. <BR> However, it still troubles me that, knowing how to create a temporal loop gateway back to a point in history, Spock would not return to the past to save his planet, people and mother. What happened to "the needs of the many...". <BR> However, perhaps he's reasoned that this timeline is so fully altered by the arrival of Nero and the death of Kirk's father and all the destruction, that it would be illogical/impossible to attempt any further temporal reparation. Perhaps, after thinking about all this for decades, he has a grander plan for returning to his own timeline, where he might stop the Romulan sun from going nova. <BR> I would expect SpockP to first assist in the Vulcan's repatriation, as we saw him doing at the end of the last movie, and then disappear- perhaps back to that ice moon? Or maybe he would travel to consult the Guardian of Forever. <BR> I imagine some kind of possible Quest for Spock in the 2nd act for Spock Plot Exposition, or "Spoxposition" for short- Nimoy is like the Michael Caine of this series. Whatever happens, I always enjoy seeing him as Spock- the role of his lifetime! <BR> If NuSpock mind melds with SpockP, wouldn't he then have all of this knowledge as well? (I can't remember, did that happen already?) <BR> The Federation's in a bad way though with losing the guiding light of Vulcan and most of their fleet in the last movie. So, Spock is perhaps not totally opposed to dishing out some future tech, like the transporter codes, to give them a fighting chance- (his "human" side?)? <BR> It also makes sense that a psychotic megalomaniac Garth of Izar and/or unfrozen Kahn type would attempt to seize this moment of weakness to bring about his own vision of an Empire not unlike the one in "Mirror Mirror."

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST

    I HATE what this prick has done to Star Trek

    by Krazeyivan

    he probably wanted to shake me and scream "Lighten up, Poindexter! It's a popcorn movie!" (His actual response wasn't that far off: "If that's the thing that's going to keep you from seeing the movie, great! Enjoy your reruns!") The Quote from the article ..........OK fuck stick - imagine this is Star Wars - ahhhh we just changed the millennium falcon shape and back story and Vader is now wearing white armor etc etc That "alternate" story would have Star Wars fans doing their nut...... then imagine this prick telling those Star Wars fans - Enjoy your reruns! Fuck OFF Peddling this shit .... call it something else please! This is star trek for bottom dwellers the lowest of the low

  • I'm all for it. These are the characters I grew up loving and to see them in wholly new adventures is pretty choice in my book. The idea of creating new villains for the crew to face is a tricky one. Any wholly new villain is not going to hold the almost half a century's worth of legend that has been built up and will not hold the same emotional resonance for the audience that characters like Kahn and Klingons will. Nero, new villain, served a purpose and that purpose was to create new adventures for characters we hold dear. I'm pretty sure "John Harrison" will play into the Kahn mythos somehow and that's great. It's not a retread, it's Kirk and the Crew potentially facing Kahn in a completely new light and story. Pretty fucking cool if you ask me.

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Lens Flare, etc

    by Peter Yates

    Multi millionaires like Abrams must cry himself to sleep every night, having read such hurtful comments from Canon fanboys. Cheer up JJ, they'll all be at the midnight screening on the first day of release.

  • are gonna hate. I can only wonder how much the Bond fans don't get all this sand in their vaginas every time that franchise reboots, which is what - once a DECADE!? Face it. Even Wrath of Khan was a reboot - it took almost nothing from The Motion Picture. I dare you to sit with your arms crossed, comparing the fanfic you wrote in high school to what's actually on screen. You'd be missing a load of awesome and eating a load of crow, IMHO.

  • I'm fine now.

  • They recycled the shit out of TMP's sets, costumes, and footage! LOL! Yes, TMP was boring as fuck in spots, but it's mostly unjustly maligned... at least it aimed somewhat high. New Trek aims low, and while it's bright, shiny and new, it recycles the shit out of old Star Wars & parts of Trek. If I want to watch ridiculous "re-imagined" Trek, I'll watch Galaxy Quest, which nailed the heart of Trek while poking fun at it mercilessly.

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST

    The Enterprise underwater: http://youtu.be/zQEsG4eKIXs

    by Gary Makin

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 7:48 p.m. CST

    CUMBERBATCH TALKS ABOUT HARRISON

    by J-Dizzle

    http://www.411mania.com/movies/news/266559/%5BVIDEO%5D-Benedict-Cumberbatch-Talks-About-His-Character-In-Star-Trek-Into-Darkness.htm

  • I liked the opening overall. Even though they blew the reveal of the Enterprise.

  • Yes, it was a reboot in the sense that TMP failed quite miserably at the boxoffice for how expensive it was. No, it wasn't a reboot because TWOK brought back the themes that were important in TOS, instead of TMP's quasi-philosophical approach. In any case, TWOK meaningfully EXPANDED the Star Trek universe. It merely used SPACE SEED as a point of departure and added something new. But the ABRAMS reboot doesn't add anything new. It merely rehashes the old and tries to bring to life things we never wanted nor needed to see! The failure of ABRAMS' STAR TREK is already there at the beginning: a prequel is a crappy, crappy idea. Almost always. It's the same with the STAR WARS prequels: we did not need to see the CLONE WARS, we did not need to see how ANAKIN became DARTH VADER. The references in the dialogue were enough. They gave the illusion of a rich backstory without the need to illustrate said backstory. And our minds did the rest. It's all the same with STAR TREK. What KIRK said to SAAVIK about the KOBAYASHI MARU test was enough. We didn't actually need to see it. Our imagination filled the gap. And then the utter disappointment followed when ABRAMS simply treated this scene as a lighthearted joke.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 7:21 a.m. CST

    B/C=Phillip Green??

    by Danny

  • suddenly began to think of it as the adventures of Horatio Hornblower in outer space. Once I got that, I said, okay, this about the Navy... this is about gunboat-diplomacy

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Come on, comrade...

    by AdmiralXizor

    In any case, TWOK meaningfully EXPANDED the Star Trek universe. It merely used SPACE SEED as a point of departure and added something new. But the ABRAMS reboot doesn't add anything new. It merely rehashes the old and tries to bring to life things we never wanted nor needed to see!

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST

    If the purpose was to acquire assloads of coke and hooker money...

    by RampantConsumerism

    ...then the prequels were necessary. Why bring storytelling, good acting, and a coherent plot into it? Takes away from hooker-banging time.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Klingons...ST:Enterprise...head ridges

    by BizarroSpock

    I never really followed ST:Enterprise, but I was disappointed when they showed Klingons with their cranial ridges (was that in the first episode?). I always thought it would have made for a good story that the tribbles were somehow responsible (genetic warfare, perhaps) for de-evolving the Klingons to the point where they regained their cranial ridges from their proto-modern-Klingon ancestors. As for Abrams, he sounds like a douche. He could do anything with ST, like actually make it good...

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST

    What supersoldier said.

    by Pete Susoev

    Enterprise slowly became my favorite Star Trek series after TOS. The ridges on klingons have an association with the Eugenics Wars. If you don't want to just jump into it, just watch the Mirror Universe episodes in season 4. That shit was fun as hell. And T'pol is a damn fine space elf.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST

    smackfu

    by Jaka

    There are starving kids in Africa (and probably in YOUR town, btw), go tell them about how you took the time to make yourself feel better about your own worthless life by belittling another persons opinion on the internet. You self-aggrandizing ass.

  • ...is that (most) people who complain (myself included) are not doing so because they've "changed things". We're complaining because of the mindless, lazy and just plain WRONG way they've gone about it. They're turning Star Trek into something that it was never intended to be. And I'm not even talking about it being a "Summer popcorn movie". If they did that, and did it right, fine! But they aren't. They're taking the Star Trek NAME and making into something else completely. By example, somebody else mentioned Bond. Well, when they "re-boot" Bond, it's still a James fucking Bond movie. The people who own the franchise have gone to great lengths to make sure that it stays that way. Star Trek, on the other hand, has become a throwaway "blockbuster" along the lines of a Transformers movie. ..... meh. Fuck it. I'll say no more.

  • Dec. 16, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST

    A prime directive-focused storyline?

    by Dreamfasting

    Having watched the IMAX preview, I am wondering whether the debates over who Cumberbatch is playing may be missing the point - perhaps it's not important who he is playing as it is what he is doing? You have two stories: one of a mysterious person offering to save a random couple's doomed child and another of the Enterprise doing a slightly patronizingly benevolent act for a primative culture. What if we're seeing a story about the Prime Directive from both sides? What if this is a story about one of Trek's various godlike beings meddling in human evolution the way Kirk and crew meddle in other cultures? Imagine Cumerbatch's character is essentially doing to humans what the Enterprise is simultaneously being shown to be doing, minus the cover of secrecy? We'd be watching that question of "what are the consequences of dropping in out of the blue and saving a society from its fate" from both sides?

  • Dec. 16, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Finally watched the preview

    by DougMcKenzie

    It's good for what it is. But it is still not really Star Trek at it's core. However I tend to disagree with those that see at as TRANSFORMERS level awful film-making. It's not at that level fortunately. I totally understand the complaints about it lacking the spirit of Trek, and it really is STINO like people say, but for what it actually is I don't mind it. We may have to wait for a TV series for a return to the stories and themes we expect from Trek. I think there will be one on the air within the next five years. Whether it is a continuation of JJ's or the traditional universe is probably still up in the air. I think Paramount is waiting to see how this pic does at the box office before making a decision.

  • Dec. 16, 2012, 6:09 p.m. CST

    To Supersoldier: Thank you, I will check it out

    by BizarroSpock

    Thank you, I will check out that episode of Enterprise. I'm glad they explained it somehow.

  • Dec. 16, 2012, 9:27 p.m. CST

    If Charlie X + Gary Mitchell then could Carol Marcus +....

    by tangcameo

    ....Ellizabeth Dehner? She's got kinda sorta the same hair cut as Alice Eve in the teaser trailer.

  • Dec. 16, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST

    IF, theyre gonna do KHAN,..

    by Jay

    ... don't rush it. Originally it was all about revenge. They will spoil it if where introduced to him and he fights Kirk & crew right away. It would help for later on down the road in sequels if they just hint on it now.