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Mr. Beaks Takes A STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS! First Nine Minutes Reviewed!

Published at: Dec. 10, 2012, 12:42 a.m. CST

 

Beaks here...

I have seen the first nine minutes of STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS (which will screen in select theaters beginning December 14th), and I can tell you this for certain: composer Michael Giacchino quotes Khan's theme. 

You know the cue: James Horner's blast of french horns that signals the arrival of the hijacked USS Reliant. Here, it's incorporated into a scene that finds Kirk and Bones running for their lives from a pissed-off pack of natives on a planet about to be ravaged by a massive volcano. This occurs after we've been introduced to Benedict Cumberbatch, who turns up at a hospital in London to offer a husband and wife the opportunity to save their child (who appears to be terminally ill). Given the Stardate (2259) and Cumberbatch's deeply anglo appearance, there is no reason to believe he is Khan Noonien Singh. Even if you argue that this is a new timeline, and that Khan could've been roused from suspended animation earlier than 2267, you've still got to deal with the ethnicity issue. This can't be Khan.

So who the hell is Cumberbatch playing? Gary Mitchell? Sybok? The Gorn? I don't know, but it's a big deal. Noel Clarke's character asks Cumberbatch directly, and we get a slow, portentous push-in underscored by a menacing Giacchino cue. Not the Khan cue, however. That comes later.

Did you ever see the "Krusty Gets Kancelled" episode of THE SIMPSONS, where everyone goes nuts trying to solve the mystery of "Gabbo"? I feel like Homer studying the full-page ad exclaiming "Gabbo Is Coming!", determined to unearth the truth while not being presented with nearly enough information to figure it all out. It's silly, but this is what we do. And J.J. Abrams is clearly inviting it: the prologue concludes with Spock stuck in a precarious situation after having informed Kirk that "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". Seriously. But this is the opening nine minutes. Abrams isn't going to kill Spock this early in the first act of his second STAR TREK movie, right?

So what conclusions can we draw from the STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS prologue? Well, the gang's all back, the Enterprise is lurking underwater on the aforementioned planet (they can't surface for fear of violating the Prime Directive), and the sense of fun Abrams established with the first film is very much in evidence. Obsessive speculation aside, these opening nine minutes are a tremendously effective tease for what will hopefully be one of 2013's most entertaining movies.

But don't take my word for it. Check it out for yourselves starting December 14th. The list of theaters is here. I'd say more, but I've been warned not to do a beat-by-beat synopsis (and I already feel like I've given too much away). But I'll be back tomorrow with a report from Abrams's Bad Robot offices, where reporters will be shown a whole bunch of cool stuff from the film. Until then...

    

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  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:45 a.m. CST

    First

    by mukhtabi

    Epic! I imagine Khan will be foreshadowed but not entirely introduced in this episode. I wonder, is Cumberbatch an entirely new character?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:46 a.m. CST

    No reason why villain is new character

    by thefastestprofessoralive

    Although it would be pretty bad-ass if it were a character that was not from the Original Series but from TNG, like Q or Moriarity.

  • fuk off

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Fourth. It's not Khan.

    by joel

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:49 a.m. CST

    expecting a ton of reveals & exclusives up to christmas

    by LeonardsBellbottoms

  • I don't think ethnicity plays a key role in reboots/remakes anymore.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:55 a.m. CST

    He's evil, Marge...

    by Green

    ...just listen to the music!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:58 a.m. CST

    SPOCK HAS GONE WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE - the ladie's room

    by Ali Kerim Bey

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1 a.m. CST

    Alice Eve's character makes me think its Gary Mitchel

    by Matthew

    similar hair style lady is in the old episode Where No Man Has Gone Before. Anyway Cumberbatch is such a great actor that the movie will be awesome based on him alone

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Moriarty? Are you high? From the Holodeck?

    by Grasscutter

    Like there's any fucking possibility that's who he is. You smoke crack.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:05 a.m. CST

    The mystery of the character's identity...

    by xavier masterson

    aspect has to be an important part of the plot. "Who is this guy and what is he avenging?!" To give it away is like revealing who the murderer is in the trailer for a whodunnit. Khan is anti-climactic for that plot point to matter as would be Gary Mitchell.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Beyond the Darkness

    by Alex Labat

    The original trailer for Star Trek 2 begins: "Beyond the Darkness"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJTi7KJPx_E "Into Darkness" should have been a very big hint from the beginning.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Basically, the reveal would have to be someone personal...

    by xavier masterson

    ...to Kirk, easily identified by the fans as a "known" so the reveal is a shock, but also a digestible reveal to an audience that isn't versed in Star Trek but made Abram's first Trek film a huge hit. A character from Kirk's past (or future)who is known to have serious trust issues with Starfleet and a personal vendetta against the Klingons. Cumberbatch is playing David. Alice Eve is playing the young version of his mother, Carol Marcus. We will see the blossoming of their romance set against the backdrop their son's vendetta. "I'm your son!" None of this has to make any sense because remember who wrote the script. B

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:22 a.m. CST

    It's Gary Seven, the advanced alien from Assignment Earth

    by ReportAbuse

    Alice Eve = Terri Garr. The only element missing is the black cat, which of course would gave away too much this early so they're holding it back.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Should've been Captain Panaka...

    by BNITT

    ...there should've been a scene where Panaka whipped out his black, Alabama, Python snake and wrapped it around Kirk's neck ala the Lizard Man, settling once and for all who has the bigger package in the universe. Gay Spock would've raised an eyebrow and said "Fascinating".

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Did you even see the 2009 Star Trek?

    by wintocha67

    Eric Bana's character was Khan or the equivalent. Revenge, check! Mind controlling ear burrowing bugs, check! Though it was such a blatant rip off it was laughable. Obviously they want every film to be ST II:The Wrath of Khan because it's the best Star Trek film.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Also wasn't Nero an original villian?

    by javery56

    I haven't seen every episode of Star Trek but I don't remember seeing him before the 2009 movie.

  • Your mom has huge tits

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:40 a.m. CST

    This review was funny. Started about Star Trek then....

    by hopeless

    Turned into the Simpsons. I loved that episode! Gabbo Gabbo Gabbo is coming!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Is this the opening?

    by Bass Ackwards

    Or is it one of the screenwriter's favorite crutches, opening with a sequence from late in the movie, then jumping back in time to the beginning...

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:58 a.m. CST

    back in May Orci says not Mitchel

    by Matthew

    http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/screenwriter-roberto-orci-lists-five-characters-who-will-not-be-in-star-trek-2 I say it is Gary Mitchel but probably someone new but similar

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:02 a.m. CST

    if the article is correct

    by Matthew

    Orci decided to name five characters, some villains and some not, who will 100% not be in the sequel. Those characters are Gary Mitchell, Charlie X, Ruk, Janice Rand, and The Borg.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:15 a.m. CST

    It may be reboot but it's still set in the same universe, just a different timeline.

    by theyreflockingthisway

    The TV show Enterprise still goes unchanged and anything that pre-dates the original series. Khan is from a pre-Enterprise era so he would be unchanged in this timeline. If you're going to do Khan, it has to be the same Khan as nothing will have changed in his life (short of possibly being discovered in suspended animation earlier than previously). It's definitely not Khan though. It's a marketing ploy, with this being the second film in its series, aimed to generate a positive view. It's not Wrath of Khan, but we're being made to believe it's going to be an equally great second chapter (and there's no reason to doubt that at the moment). Personally, I'm guessing they'll be facing a new nemesis. If I had to go with something that has been used before I'd go with The Borg. The team from the original series has never encountered them before and I'd love to see it played out.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:18 a.m. CST

    @xavier masterson

    by EleanorofAquitaine

    That is a really compelling theory. Since seeing the one minute teaser I have been convinced the movie will be about family, and thought (part of me still thinks) it could be George Samuel, Kirk's brother. But I like the idea of David a lot. The only thing against it is that it means both movies feature time travel. I suppose they could, though. Can't wait for the 9 minutes...

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:27 a.m. CST

    Could he be stretching outside of original ST canon?

    by tangcameo

    Noonien Soong? And that in this timeline he didn't study androids but cyborgs. Could this be the Borg origin story in this timeline?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Soren

    by DeanCubed

    From Generations. Guinan told Picard that she was both on the Enterprise but also in the Nexus because the Nexus is infinite, so she will always be a part of that place. So Nexus-MacDowell Soren warns young Cumberbacht-Soren that Kirk will someday kill him. Also opens the possiblity that there's a Whoopi or Stewart or Shatner cameo in the film. Which, remember in 2008 when everyone was thinking Shatner would show up and then they said he wouldn't but we'd get Nimoy? How come there is NO mention of possible cameos in any press regarding Into Darkness? Hmmm??? You would think there WOULD be at least one. It's gotta be a big name or else we'd have heard about it by now.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:09 a.m. CST

    -----*BIG SPOILER*-----

    by tradeskilz

    The last scene of the movie will foreshadow the return of the Borg. Or in this case, introduce them.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:30 a.m. CST

    What in GAWD'S name is the Enterprise doing underwater?

    by eveelcapitalist

    It's a spaceship! The number of atmospheric pressures it can withstand are between zero and one. *Spot the reference* Anyway, the Enterprise doesn't have the aerodynamics to fly in an atmosphere. Abrams' Trek was always gonna be less science-fiction and more space-adventure, I guess.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:34 a.m. CST

    So...if it was David=Reverse Empire Strikes Back

    by T

    With him being a Vengefully angry at Kirk for being a shit dad leaving him & his mom to suffer at the hands of Klingons.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Er, that doesn't compute.

    by T

    Er. Sorry. Sleepy.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:42 a.m. CST

    PICARD!!!!

    by l4orion

    I know it isn't him and he doesn't seem like the vengefull type but dam if the villan doesn't sound just like Picard. Also I kinda wish introduced Gary Mitchell in the last film so that way if they want to use him in the future he already would have history with the cast(and audience). Even if they don't use him it would be a fun will he or won't he.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:48 a.m. CST

    @ eveelcapitalist, what, you never see Enterprise sub?

    by T

    A ton of Youtube vids of remote controlled U.S.S. Enterprise model subs... very screen accurate too. Granted, only used in pools.

  • Y'know just throw in the best moments from previous movies in some scrambled order or with different characters for cheap emotional manipulation like "needs of the many" and the hand to hand Vulcan thing through glass barrier.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:56 a.m. CST

    The Enterprise underwater

    by severianx1

    Complete and utter bullshit. Not once, in any previous Star Trek movie or TV incarnation has there ever been even a hint of the Enterprise having the capability to travel underwater. Not only does it not travel underwater, but it remains in orbit, a detail that has been demonstrated numerous times in numerous episodes and previous movies, and in fact has been integral to the plot of many of them.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Can't surface without violating the Prime Directive...

    by jazzdownunder

    ... which begs the question, how did it get FROM the surface to end up submerged without violating the Prime Directive ? Unless, the PD was enacted after the ship had submerged but before it could surface, in which case you would think Star Fleet would have checked that it didn't have any ships out there in awkward positions that the PD would leave them stuck in, eh ? And +1 BAZILLION for the absurd notion that the Enterprise is in any way shape or form submersible. The structural engineering involved in stopping a ship from EX-ploding due to a massively higher internal pressure than that outside, are quite different from that involved in preventing IM-plosion from the reverse. I have a very bad feeling about this. Looks like a fun movie, just not a STAR TREK.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Is The Simpson's more of a hint than a reference? Could he be...

    by tangcameo

    ...Frank Grimes?!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:23 a.m. CST

    What a lot of bullshit

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Can't believe we lost Patrick Stewart and co to this fanwank. Hopefully it will be a bomb, like the last one was overseas.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:29 a.m. CST

    USS Kelvin was more advanced than the original Enterprise from the 60s

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    The NuTrek universe was different before Nero entered it. They're not beholden to anything. Also Ben Cross' Sarek had a British accent so they don't give two shits about that sort of continuity.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:30 a.m. CST

    Kirk to die?

    by laurence

    I have a suspicion Abrams will rework the Khan story in this alternate time line. I have a feeling insgtead of Spock dying at the end, it will be Kirk and then they do a reworking of Search for Spock but having to bring Kirk back somehow. The first film was more fun than most Star Treks, i'm looking forward to it.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:30 a.m. CST

    siouxfire

    by smackfu

    He's brown. This is America. All brown people are Mexicans.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:36 a.m. CST

    The more important question here is...

    by adml_shake

    Does Alice Eve do any slow motion running?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:42 a.m. CST

    Really hoping it isn't Khan at this point

    by Cosmik

    Besides most of those hoping for Khan would be disappointed and turn into rabid haters even if it is Khan.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Generic sci-fi adventure posing as Star Trek

    by bf skinner

    But this ain't Star Trek. Abrams either doesn't understand ST at all, or he's deliberately ignoring all the principles of ST to make his own pulp space adventure series (his Star Wars). I'm not hating on what he's done, the first film was enjoyable as fuck. I just don't consider them to be Star Trek canon. They are fan fiction movies more than anything else.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Stavos Keniclius?

    by David Duchovny

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:06 a.m. CST

    This is a Star Trek movie from 2012 not 1968...get over it.

    by cameron

    Things change. There's not much linier story in the James Bond movies and they're still around, you either change with the times or become the past, movies ain't any different. you can always watch the old stuff on dvd if you're that old.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Weller has to be Khan

    by David Duchovny

    and Cumberbatch is Dr. Keniclius if the stardates are anywhere near correct for this scenario. Been awhile since I've seen TAS

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:18 a.m. CST

    It doesn't matter if it is Khan..the point was never Khan himself...

    by KnightEternal

    it was that a character in the ST Universe pushed a perviously smug, arrogant, always wins Kirk to his limits and beyond resulting in the end that not all the good guys survived and Kirk did not win outright...granted Khan had a back story from the series but the point was that Kirk met his match and ,without Spock turning himself into reactor ragout ,would have been killed and the enterprise destroyed.....as long as a character pushes the main cast/Kirk to their limit it doesnt really matter their backstory it just makes good watching...

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:18 a.m. CST

    Give us a tick tock of the nine minutes Mr. Beaks

    by David Duchovny

    Fuck them.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:21 a.m. CST

    and what lame assed writers

    by David Duchovny

    came up with the name of Gary for two main Star Trek villains.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:25 a.m. CST

    Oh shit just realized

    by David Duchovny

    The french horns in Khan's theme are in the teaser trailer. They are just amplified like a motherfucker and turned into those loud Inception blasts. Nice.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Does the Enterpriise have wheels as well?

    by my liege

    FFS

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:34 a.m. CST

    If it had wheels it would be a wagon

    by David Duchovny

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:35 a.m. CST

    Perry white?

    by corplhicks

    There's nothing inherent in his character re: ethnicity. He can be any generic news chief. Khan was Indian. This actor ain't him. Not by voice or appearance.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Enterprise can fly in atmosphere douche!!!!

    by corplhicks

    Happened in TOS and a ship did it in voyager. And other times. It happens. They are rough ships

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:44 a.m. CST

    BTW, for those who weren't on the other thread

    by David Duchovny

    the glass barrier in the new teaser is a prison or brig cell--and it's Cumberbatch on the other side.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:45 a.m. CST

    No he is Not!

    by tHEgREATgABBO

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Yes he is

    by David Duchovny

    I have seen the next trailer. Shows him clear as day.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 6 a.m. CST

    If you're going to "quote" James Horner

    by hulkiest

    Hey, who am I talking to?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Enterprise flying in the atmostphere

    by DVaderRIP

    You're talking about "Return To Tomorrow" - and you could say that was actually very, very low orbit I guess. But well remembered. But there is a F*cking huge GULF between that, and the ship being submersible. As someone pointed out above, the structural challenges are totally opposite to each other. I guess JarJar will explain it all away with a line about "shields" or something. Ridiculous. But then I suppose he crossed the rubicon when he had the ship being built on Earth in the first one, just so he could have Kirk check it out on his motorbike. Anyway, this is a universe where Kirk gets command of the Enterprise 1 year out of the academy, so I guess the moron card got played some time ago. As for Voyager, that was a totally different ship, and it was clearly established it was meant to be allowed to land.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 6:07 a.m. CST

    atmosphere

    by DVaderRIP

    Jesus - get with the 21st century harry you fat douche.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Huhn?

    by hulkiest

    My comment was posted with only the last line in tact. That's a sign from God to shut up and not gripe about a movie I haven't seen.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 6:17 a.m. CST

    More fun is code for more retarded.

    by T

    What is this friggin' more fun than classic trek bullshit meme/talking point!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 6:32 a.m. CST

    IT'S DECKER & ILLIA'S LOVE-CHILD!

    by scotty lines

    When Decker & the dead / robot / clone Illia got it on next to the space probe, they had a super-duper powerful child; a child soooo powerful it became corrupt & evil. And don't say that The Motion Picture story took place when Kirk & co were much older - The V'ger 2 don't give too fucks about continuity - he came move in and out of times and universes at will. He has come to fuck Kirk up.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 6:34 a.m. CST

    you all make me laugh

    by colinjbooth

    'the ship can't go in the water' blah blah blah. Who gives a fuck? It's science FICTION! It's only been that way before because somebody WROTE it like that, it's not a documentary. Isn't Gary Mitchell from Eastenders?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Ethnicity?

    by BryonMorrigan

    Seriously? In the original, Khan was a Sikh...who for some reason had no beard (when it's an essential part of being a Sikh), and was played by a Mexican. WTF do you really think "ethnicity" has to do with anything in regards to said character?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 6:42 a.m. CST

    re: The Enterprise underwater

    by obi_juan

    In a Voyager ep the Delta Flyer went under water.

  • it took the crew, I think, about a day to identify him as Khan through historical records. And of course, they freaked when they realized who he was. I don't have a horse in this race, but I think it's plausible, and even a rare bit of intelligent screenwriting, if one of the first things Khan does after escape is change his appearance. And.....his accent, yeeeea I don't know. It's reaching, like Jack, who I've seen for a month now.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 6:53 a.m. CST

    One interesting thing about space movies

    by Autodidact

    Your average person doesn't really understand the basics of space. Mainly how large and empty and 3-dimensional it is.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Khan is involved, count on it

    by Pete Michaelson

    Benedict Cumberbatch is one of the augments from the Botany Bay, working under Khan's direction but Khan himself will be more of a shadowy character in this film. Since the timeline was altered someone else found and unfroze the augments who fled Earth in the Botany Bay and since Kirk wasn't there to stop him Khan got his starship and has slowly been planning on retaking his place as the leader of humanity. Cumberbatch is his herald, and apparently he's going to try to create some new augment soldiers to beef up their forces (hence why he's offering to save a dying child; he's going to genetically engineer him into augment). Khan will be an even more impressive threat than before because he's had time to amass power and pose a threat to Starfleet and the Federation. As for the Enterprise going underwater...yeah, it's stupid (possibly even more stupid that digging quarries and building the Enterprise on Earth)...but fuck it. If it's a good movie I'll get over that just like I got over it in the 2009 movie, which I enjoyed by the way even though it was shallow. The classics aren't in any way ruined by these new films, so I just take them for what they are and enjoy them. I love the fact that it starts out with the new crew on an away mission; would be great if there was a red shirt with them at first who gets caught by the natives.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 7:01 a.m. CST

    For Fuck's Sake

    by Duck of Death

    What in the 2009 Star Trek leads anyone to believe that the Enterprise in that film is structurally identical to the Enterprise from TOS? Could it be...let's see, the COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DESIGN? If the Enterprise in this film can move around underwater, it's because IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE ABLE TO DO SO IN THIS GOD DAMN TIMELINE. If you're calling something implausible in this altered, brand new Star Trek timeline because it wasn't plausible in the old, superseded Star Trek timeline...you MIGHT be a fucking idiot.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Charlie X

    by thethirdman3

    I think he is Charlie Evans. And Alice Eve is Yeoman Rand

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 7:06 a.m. CST

    The Enterprise has shields, so it can go underwater, idiots.

    by Eyegore

    They'll move under impulse power, which has nothing to do with rockets, wheels, fins, or propellers. It's the future, morans!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 7:31 a.m. CST

    obi_juan

    by DVaderRIP

    The delta flyer was a shuttlecraft, built 200 years after the Enterprise YOU TWATAAAAAaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhh

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Sorry Beaks...

    by heligo

    ...can't trust your judgement ever since your contrary-for-the-sake-of-contrary review of Avengers.

  • Some conspiracy theorist will believe the bs I just wrote

  • Let's face it kiddies...Star Trek was on the way down and on the way out. Tired, lame and become culturally marginalized. It was static and flat and Berman and Bragga had raped it's corpse over and over. JJ put reinvigorated the franchise and brought it back to life. In order to survive and thrive this venerable franchise must update and move with the times. It needs to evolve for current audiences. I love the original series, but it was great for the 1960s. TNG was great for the 80s. The problem with Enterprise was that it was great for the 90s event though it was launched in the 2000s. It was stale. The point is, Trek must innovate. If you love the franchise as much as I do, then don't worry about taking risks. The bigger risk would be not to innovate.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Spelling and grammar mistakes

    by Yarlan Zey

    I don't care if my brilliant post was riddled with mistakes. Screw you.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Horner quote

    by jayhest

    Problem with the Horner quote is that he also used it in Willow and the Mask of Zorro. Maybe Cumberbatch is actually Don Diego de la Vega or maybe even a Peck!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8 a.m. CST

    I've seen lens flares comments for about three years now.

    by Gary Makin

    They're still not funny.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Enterprise Underwater

    by Brandon Dillard

    Before crying foul, or after, since haters will hate for hate's sake, we must remember the pseudo-scientific facts of starship construction, and technology. The Enterprise's hull is made of stern futuristic material that we cannot replicate today. She has powerful structural integrity fields, these strengthen and re-enforce the hull and internal stucture. The Enterprise has wildly powerful matter/antimatter engines that can manipulate and control gravity(Anti-grav) and space-time. She has immensely powerful deflectors and defensive shielding. The Enterprise could easily form a small warp bubble around itself, defy gravity, and swoop right down into the Pacific if it wanted to. Just because it was never done before does not mean she could not do it. She's the Big E. She can do whatever the fuck she wants.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST

    the_real_christopher_nolan: This isn't a reboot OR a remake...

    by Mikey Wood

    ...it's a prequel. It takes place around the same time as the original series but in an altered timeline. What happened in STAR TREK (the films, the various series, etc.) all STILL HAPPENED. They just happened in another "reality". Who Khan is...what he looks like...hasn't been altered because he's been in stasis since the late 1990's. At that point the timeline is, in theory, the same (there comes into question the involvement of the Next Gen. crew with Cochran's invention of the warp drive...did they do so in this alternate timeline? Do they even, eventually, EXIST in this alternate timeline?) but that's neither here nor there. That's the genius of the new TREK films: while they ACT as "sort-of-reboots", they are actually a part of the original continuity.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:06 a.m. CST

    2259? 2267? Doesn't even matter -- we're on a new timeline now.

    by Leto III

    Chekov's was born in 2245 in the original "prime" timeline, but was born four years earlier (in 2241) in the new Abrams-verse continuity. Ergo, none of the original TOS dates are sacrosanct for the purposes of these new films. It could very, very easily still end up being Khan. The Botany Bay could be discovered much earlier in this new movie than occurred in the 1960s television series. Anything and everything are now possible.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST

    THe enterprise underwater makes sense...

    by Syberean

    When you consider that Jar Jar's people, the gungans lived underwater! He's just getting back to his roots.

  • FFS.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:10 a.m. CST

    set up for third film

    by couresits kahn

    I worked in the props department for 'Into Darkness' - never presented with shooting script, but saw enough on set to get general gist of the plot. Cumberbatch is new villain, not Kahn. However, Kahn is introduced in the finale, which leaves things open to lead into third film (definitely going for an 'Empire' vibe here. Kahn as Palpatine to Cumberbatch's Vader). Kahn is played by a little known British/Asian actor who has had a few roles on British TV, notably the soap 'Eastenders'.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:11 a.m. CST

    And, severianx1: As far as the Enterprise being underwater?

    by Mikey Wood

    Nope. Never been done before. God FORBID they try anything NEW. What an OUTRAGE! I want my stuff to be the SAME OLD STUFF! CHANGE IS BAD! AGGH! AAAGGGHHH!!!!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Calm yourselves my friends, all will be well!

    by Sam Clegg

    Yes, the new Star Trek film seems to have a myrid of possibilities on who the new villian is, but let me assure you that all will be well with this film. This one like the last will be glorious and will help usher in a new series of Trek films that will make us forget the past ones and bring in a new era of science fiction to the cinema. I live, I die and I am reborn!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:19 a.m. CST

    mikeywood

    by DVaderRIP

    It's supposed to be internally consistent... we're not talking about a Black Vulcan here!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Krusty with the huge mustache attempting ventriloquism

    by DoctorZoidberg

    The Gabbo episode rocks!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Kahn Theme Also

    by MrD

    Wolf theme from Wolfen Alien theme from Aliens Early Horner was big into recycling.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    dvaderrip: Explain?

    by Mikey Wood

    I'm not sure I understand how your comment correlates to mine? I understand that it has to be "internally consistant". What isn't? Just clarify, if you could please.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Horner quote

    by Zath_ras

    The horns have been present in nearly every Hornet soundtrack from Wolfen to Titanic to Avatar. Horner only has ripped off his own work for 30 years.

  • ...how is that not "internally consistant"? Just because they've never done it BEFORE doesn't mean they can't do it NOW. They have never, ever said "The Enterprise cannot go under water". Ever. So, apparently, it CAN.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Gimme a break with the Gary Mitchell already. He

    by UltraTron

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Kahn's Son

    by Sirmausalot

    His son or perhaps a younger version of himself. Likely they're still messing with timelines as it's very Abram's and fits with the universe they've created.

  • fuck it that would be so insane. I'm down with that.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Would you be breaking the Prime Directive if, say,...

    by buggerbugger

    ...you submerged your starship in an ocean and your vessel's engines emitted a form of energy that accidentally wiped out an emerging civilisation's main food supply? Any potential screwing with a planet's ecosphere is going to have a lesser or greater impact on that civilisation, isn't it?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Trek 2 still my favorite Horner score.

    by UltraTron

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Voyager operated in a fluidic space once.

    by Gary Makin

    Yeah.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST

    a character's identity is NOT a mystery

    by animas

    its a fucking marketing ploy. we are talking jj abrams and bob orci, remember? the only mystery is why every trivial bullshit detail has to be turned into a mystery.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Is. It? Better THAN. Jack, Reacher!

    by dylan alvord

  • Oh, they could easily screw with 'Enterprise' and pre-'TOS' history. They just have to say that time-travel acts like throwing a stone into a body of water. When Nero's ship "splashed" into the "pool" of the 23rd century, it created ripples of change that radiate both forward and backward in time, altering all sorts of shit, because time isn't a linear thing, that's just the way we happen to experience it.

  • christ do they even think?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:53 a.m. CST

    I don't have any issue with the Enterprise being underwater

    by D.Vader

    Its obvious this series is not the same as TOS bc of the changes to the timeline, so who cares?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:53 a.m. CST

    @scratchmonkey

    by TheMachinist

    It's more like a big ball of...wibbly wobbly, timey wimey...stuff...

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST

    scratchmonkey right -- and how it would work

    by HornOrSilk

    TOS people going back in time would affect the time line differently now, because of the differences, leading to changes in the past.. ad infinitum.

  • because original remastered hd trek looks like I'm back in the 60s standing next to the crew. Feels like you are there. Can't imagine what 4k could do for this. Already real enough. Shit you not this true motion looks as good as hobbit at 48p

  • Indeed. All of this "awesome mystery!" bollocks reminds me of the way Steven Moffat runs 'Doctor Who' these days. Introduce - or drop some vague hints - about some "awesome mystery!" for the upcoming season, fans go speculation-crazy for months in advance, then the "awesome mystery!" amounts to a load of bollocks that's far less interesting or inventive than a lot of the speculation. OMG, who is River Song?! OMG, what is the Silence?! OMG, where's the baby?! Who is the baby?! OMG, who's in the astronaut suit?! OMG, what is the question?! OMG, when will the eleventh fall?! OMG, will the Ponds die?! OMG, what is Clara's Fucking Awesome Secret?! I REALLY DON'T FUCKING CARE, the answer will turn out to be banal shite anyway. Just show us the fucking episode without hyping it to silly fucking proportions with all of this "mystery" wank.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Obviously it's Star Trek's greatest villain...

    by Mystery Roach

    Charlie X!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:01 a.m. CST

    it's a roboot- anything's possible! he's Khan Mitchell!

    by zom-bot.com

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST

    rebot? robot? whatever! the real question is...

    by zom-bot.com

    will all new sci-fi posters show burnt-out buildings that show an icon in the negative space?

  • not meaning to nitpick you gmakin, because you were polite enough to not attack my own outburst.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST

    by TOKANDO

    Well it's a spaceship, so I'd say anywhere between zero and one.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Khan/Gary Mitchell is coming!

    by newc0253

    He'll tell us what to do!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Let's start with the Enterprise being submersible

    by MattHooper

    ... that was a joke, right ? I don't think these people are taking this very seriously.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Horner quote is recursive

    by ObiBen

    It's been quoting itself since 1982 Recursion: def. name, see recursion.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Fry asked a question for Professor Farnsworth:

    by Emikandi

    Professor Hubert Farnsworth: Good Lord! That's over 5000 atmospheres of pressure! Fry: How many atmospheres can the ship withstand? Professor Hubert Farnsworth: Well, it was built for space travel, so anywhere between zero and one.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    The villiain is Gary Seven Soren Shinzon Mitchell Khan of Izar.

    by Gary Makin

    You heard it here FIRST.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    One of the most hilarious film scores this side of...

    by ObiBen

    ...Morricone's Exorcist II is Krull in which you can hear Horner frantically attempt to top himself, Williams and everything composed under the sun. The result sounds like a coked out bouillabaisse of french horns a-hornin' and anvils a-clagnin'...And of course the Khan quite is in there, it's the Wilhelm scream of film music.

  • But the internets didn't exist then.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Cumberbatch is...

    by iampain

    Thameny! Spock betrays kirk and takes off with Thameny to rule the universe.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Star Trek II: Mudd's Khan

    by HornOrSilk

    That's the real title, to be revealed in January..

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:33 a.m. CST

    This movie has shit written all over it.....

    by Bricklyne

    ...and by shit I obviously mean Orci, Kurtz, Lindelhof, Abrams and Lensflares. The unholy quintumvriate of shite.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:35 a.m. CST

    remember when people were seeing faces in TDKR's rubble

    by zom-bot.com

    anybody 'see' anything in this one? lol

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:35 a.m. CST

    PreviewReview to the Preview

    by ObiBen

    When will we get PreviewReviews to the PreviewPreviews?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Nobody quotes Horner like Horner.

    by tomandshell

    Dude's been microwaving musical leftovers for decades.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    I mean PreviewPreviewReviews to the PreviewPreviews

    by ObiBen

    gotta be accurate in the good 'ol O.C!....

  • it's a half second clip in the trailer. the impression of music and sound makes you assume the ship is coming out of the water on it's own power- but it may actually be getting pulled out by a tractor beam or someone's all-powerful jedi-like, jean-grey-like mind abilities.

  • Lest we forget, we are dealing with a Star Trek Universe in which the ship has transparent water pipes (for God knows what reason) the size of humans and through which a fully grown human can go through and come out unharmed at the other end. Or the fact that in this timeline one can apparently transport or teleport a person from a planet's surface onto the deck of a ship .....I'm sorry, I meant,.....into the gigantic transparent water pipes of a ship flying at warp speed away from the planet. Or best of all, where ships can apparently escape the Event Horizon of a black hole by ejecting their warp core - that thing which gives them the ability to fly at faster than light speed, and ostensibly the only feasible means of escaping the one thing in the known universe that light itself cannot outrun. So really, we're not even close to mining the bottom of the barrel here. There's still miles upon miles of shit to be discovered since there really is no bottom here. I do like the fact that they are teasing the us with the possibility that they can always lower that bar of stupidity even much lower than you ever thought possible.......and still get you to fork out good money to pay to see it. Hey, it has lensflares after all!!!!! And lots and lots of 'splosions.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST

    You will all suffer the wrath of Khan!

    by Pete Michaelson

    You heard it hear first, folks.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Still think it's Garth.

    by kells

    Been a long time since I saw the episode from the original series, but wasn't the character almost killed by his injuries, and some alien race taught him how to manipulate his shape to save him? Maybe he is offering the same information to save the child - wouldn't have to be a doctor, just someone who experienced life-threatening condition and now knows the trick to surviving. I still think the official movie synopsis mentioning the "chess game" is a reference to the chess code Garth tries to steal in the original series episode.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST

    I think Khan is being set up for ST3

    by HornOrSilk

    And in this one we get Garth and Mudd. I think Mudd found Khan in the NTOS.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST

    You're all wrong! The villian is obviously the mugato.

    by Uncle Stan

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST

    It's Khan, Jackasses! Deal!

    by Napabar

    Also getting sick of you jackasses who don't know the difference between a reboot, prequel, and an alternate timeline! For fuck's sake! LEARN!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST

    >>microwaving musical leftovers

    by ObiBen

    Ha-ha, well done! I'm stealing this one!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    The Villain is actually

    by HornOrSilk

    Spock's Brain

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST

    OR, mahgra_kae...

    by Mikey Wood

    ...where there are big giant spaceships. IN SPACE! And ALIENS! AND BEAMS THAT CAN TRANSPORT STUFF AND PEOPLE! It's sci-fi. WHY are you able to accept SOME sci-fi, but not OTHER sci-fi? Is it because you CHOOSE what you will or will not accept? Try to fucking enjoy yourself, man. Jesus CHRIST.

  • Yeah! Get your pop culture imaginary shit straight if you want to get somewhere in life you dweebs!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Yes! Spock's brain on a Segueway!

    by ObiBen

    I would pay 2$ to see that...

  • Khaaaaaaaaaan!!!

  • And you’re really going to complain about transparent water pipes? Really? I suggest you go to Redlettermedia’s review of Skyfall to see where you’re going wrong.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10 a.m. CST

    Stay tuned for my review of the closing credits.

    by seasider

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Didn't Sybok heal some dude at the beginning of ST5

    by David Duchovny

    Only saw it once. Vaguely remember a desert scene...

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST

    What if they are changing Khan's name to

    by JorEl214

    Khan Noonan? He could be Irish right?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Transparent water pipes...

    by Mikey Wood

    ...you DID see STAR TREK IV, yes?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Hey mikeywood

    by Bricklyne

    GOOD Sci-FI establishes some rules and sticks by the logical consistency of those rules. Just like any good narrative. Really good sci-fi establishes rules based on plausible even if not possible real-world scientific and physical rules and knowledge and attempts to build worlds and stories around those actual real-world rules. Kinda like the original Star Trek and the sequel series it spawned. Or any of Ridley Scott's or James Cameron's Sci-Fi movies. Don't give me that bullshit, that I'm accepting aliens or flying in space so I should be able to accept any nonsense they throw at me regardless of how logically nonsensical it is. Only children reason that way. And that's why childrens' programming and movies are devoid of any logical consistency. Because they neither need it nor can appreciate it. Flying in space is not only plausible, it's actually reality (seeing as we've done it even in our primitive state). Aliens as a concept is not only plausible it's mathematically more likely than not as is they possibility that they would be more intelligent than us given the age of the galaxy and the universe. Beams that can transport people is not just plausible; it's REAL WORLD PHYSICS dumbass. Or at least based on real world physics where we've successfully been able to "transport" sub-atomic particles in the lab. We just don't have the energy scalability requirements and computational capability to transport something as large as a person (yet). But the science it's based on is REAL. But then again, if you like your sci-fi the way children like their cartoons and kiddie programs, senor Abrams is only too willing to oblige you.

  • Just because I make the same dumb spelling mistake as 70% of posters on here doesn't make me wrong. Point is, Cumberbatch isn't Khan, some actor we Brits might recognise from 'Eastenders' turns up at the end as an iconic Trek character. Really going to pull Brit audiences out of the film even more than Simon Pegg pretending to be Scotty does. It's weird watching a big Hollywood picture and seeing some actor from one of our crummy soaps faking an American accent.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Never mix basil and paprika in your cooking

    by ObiBen

    they 'splode like matter and anti-matter -Julia Childs

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    geez first 'nuke the fridge'...

    by quintana007

    now i predict 'dunk the ship' will be -the- phrase of the next year

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    >>Like James Cameron's Sci-Fi movies.

    by ObiBen

    Yeah 'cos a loving Terminator fosterdaddy is really plausible

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Enterprise underwater

    by Cruizer Dave

    Of course the Enterprise hides underwater. How else would it observe a planet without violating the prime directive? Yeah, it seems excessive, and nothing we’ve seen it do in the past, but yeah. It has to hide from the natives, and the only way to do that is underwater. If there were only someway the spaceship could be in orbit and make observations from there ... Clearly Abrams has a grip on this!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:20 a.m. CST

    As far as ethnicity ...

    by Cruizer Dave

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST

    As far as ethnicity goes ...

    by Cruizer Dave

    Ricardo wasn't of middle eastern heritage ... Also, how did the very Japanese Sulu become Korean in the new Trek?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    The villian is......Mirror Universe Khan

    by cozy

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    "Detonated"?

    by wpreston

    My largest concern is that all the minds who made this gather their intellects, work for ages to get the PR machine cranking, then come up with "detonated the fleet . . . " Detonated? The fleet just blows up? If that's what happens, fine. If instead the fleet is destroyed, decimated, undone, or just FUBARed, then that ain't fine. TRY HARDER. Still stunned that someone paid Lindelof after reading his Prometheus revision . . .

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Enterprise vs Stingray

    by ObiBen

    My 2$ on Troy Tempest

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Mirror Universe Khan's goatee

    by ObiBen

    on a submersible Segueway!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST

    So what city has been destroyed in the poster?

    by Shankapotomus

    Smoking ruins of an Earth-like city. Is this a look at the Eugenics Wars when Khan ruled a portion of the planet. Could there be another time travel element where Kirk and crew are instrumental in Khan's exile from Earth? Thus giving Khan a new reason for revenge at some point in the future? Was there a destroyed city in the first 9 minutes? Am I way off?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Stop whining about the Enterprise being under water already!

    by fanboy71

    The never showed Jack Bauer taking a shit on 24 either, but it doesn't mean his body wasn't designed with the ability to take a shit.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST

    The Enterprise

    by ObiBen

    is a magical vessel that can do anything and go anywhere and anytime 'cos it's the future, silly!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Cumberbatch is Dr. Roger Corby

    by vosborne951

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Cumberbatch could just be

    by Lord Elric

    Left from the Eugenics War. This "Alt Trek" hasn't established yet when or if that occurred. Would explain referencing the Kahn theme and even the Spock line. Although...can I just say... I REALLY WISH STAR TREK AND MANY MOVIES IN GENERAL WOULD PLEASE POLITELY DEAL WITH THEIR STAR TREK:THE WRATH OF KAHN OBSESSION OFF SCREEN. Please. And Thank You.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Red Planet=Red Matter, Cumber=Red Baron

    by T

    Peter Weller=Khan, Eve=Borg Queen... ;-)

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST

    cumberbatcher is vegr jr.

    by chainsaw autotune

    hes come to inflict vengence upon microsoft vista.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST

    I HAVE SEEN THE FIRST NINE MINUTES OF STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS FOR A MONTH NOW

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    And I can't believe they put a starship in fucking water.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11 a.m. CST

    THE SHIELDS PROTECTING THE SHIP THEORY DOESN'T HOLD WATER

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    Because they would short circuit in water.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11 a.m. CST

    >>I can't believe they put a starship in fucking water

    by ObiBen

    Particle softwares gotta eat!

  • And it isn't just TWOK. Take every instance in any Trek where "Shields are inoperable due to XYZ", and ask yourself, if a bit of near vacuum hydrogen gas is enough to knock out the shields, what will being surrounded by a billion gallons of salt water do? They can use whatever technobabble they want to explain a starship being underwater, but it better not just be "shields up", because it flies in the face of all Trek cannon and slaps anyone who watches SCIENCE fiction right in the face. If shields work in the ocean, they work everywhere. Clearly they don't work everywhere, so no underwater shields. It still doesn't make any damn sense though. If the Enterprise has to hide underwater to not violate PD, then how did it get there and how does it get out? Seems like a silly excuse for a silly special effect, instead of just writing a clean story that uses a shuttlecraft or a transporter.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    IT'S PAINFULLY OBVIOUS THAT CUMBERBATCH IS KHAN'S SON

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    And he's avenging his father being put in cryo-freeze or whatever the hell the Fed did to his loony gang.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Could be Dr. Corby

    by David Duchovny

    Think he was engaged to Nurse Chapel. That would be an explanation for the blonde in the teaser. Haven't seen that episode for awhile but I think androids and cloning were involved. Pretty sure that was one of the episodes that had a duplicate Kirk in it. They used that gimmick like 40 times though, so it's hard to keep track.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Hybrid Villain: Kahn + Sybok =

    by Joe Cranford

    ...Sha'Ka-Khan.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    You aren't supposed to be able to use warp drive

    by David Duchovny

    within the earth's atmosphere either but they even did it in one of the movies. Who gives a shit if the ship goes underwater. It looks cool.

  • What was that Vulcan thing Sybok was about, Shaka Re?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST

    OBUI-WANSHIN-OBI

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    I feel for you.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST

    On the subject of the Enterprise being submerged...

    by BradM73

    First of all, the Enterprise is air tight, considering it has to be in space. Having air leaking out would likely be a really bad thing. It should do equally well against keeping water out of the hull. The only issue I would see would be from water entering the impulse engines or maneuvering thrusters, though maybe they have energy shields or barriers protecting those sensitive areas that might be effected by water? I mean, they had fore fields in TNG in the shuttle bays, and I seem to remember reading somewhere that the Big E had no actual windows, but that every viewport on the Enterprise E was actually a force field. If anyone can confirm or correct this, please do. But still, I can't think of anything that would inhibit the survival of the Enterprise underwater. How it got there is likely a matter of by accident. Maybe they miscalculated their warp coordinates and ended up in a bay of water next to a big city or something? Maybe surrounded by an underwater reef and they can't go far out to sea to take off again? Either way, there's no reason why the E can't go underwater, and other that potential propulsion issues, I don't doubt that it could happen. This should be interesting and it definitely sounds like a fun movie!! I'll check it out for sure!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Put some T'Pau in that yellow Walkman

    by ObiBen

    And go take a dive, they are submersible you know...

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Khan's son would be about, oh...

    by Mikey Wood

    ...230 years old or some-such since Khan's been in stasis aboard the Botony Bay since 1996. And, yes, the Eugenics War still happened. The timeline's the SAME until 2233.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    vosborne951...

    by Mr Cranky

    Cumberbatch is Roger Clemens...he's a steroid-enhanced super soldier with an arm of DOOOOM!!!!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Perhaps...

    by C0CKLES

    The child is he offering to save becomes Khan. A rebootrequel.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    @ gmakin

    by JamesT

    I get your point; but the Internet was around in 89. Just the people bitching and moaning weren't.

  • is a Ziploc bag 'cos, you know, it airtight.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST

    I know who Cumberbatch is playing...

    by Joe Spector

    Ok this is my 2 cents. Cumby isn't playing Khan. But he kills him in the movie and basically becomes an even greater threat than Khan. Cumby is playing Khan's right hand man, Joaqin. Remember the blonde dude from Wrath of Khan, the one trying to convince Khan to take Genesis and run? Yeah that guy.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST

    I GOT MY GMAIL BACK. THANK FUCK I WAS ABOUT TO HAVE A HEART ATTACK.

    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    jspector: Not possible...

    by Mikey Wood

    ...that guy hasn't been BORN yet. His FATHER, however (Joachim) would be around... ...buuuut in stasis since 1996 because that still happened.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    The problem with the "who cares, it looks cool" arguments

    by Norm

    Here's the problem with always going for the WOW factor and doing shit like putting a starship underwater, or excessively using technobabble to solve problems. It steals all tension and drama from the story. Everything is too easy. Every problem takes just a couple button pushes to solve. Where's the challenge? Where's the risk? What's the point of even having shuttlecraft and transporters when you can just land the whole ship? For example, it makes the entire 2009 Star Trek Vulcan action sequence meaningless. If the Enterprise can fly in atmosphere, land and go underwater, then why did the big laser drill have to be destroyed by Kirk, Sulu and Red Shirt halo jumping? Just fly the Enterprise into Vulcan's atmosphere and blast it to hell. Of course Spock did that at the end, but in a much smaller 24th century ship built more like a shuttlecraft. Point is, limiting technology and limiting options puts drama into a story by making the task hard. If a starship can go anywhere and do anything, it's about as exciting and dramatic as watching a lion eat a mouse.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    obiben

    by Mr Cranky

    DINGDINGDINGDINGDING!!!!!!!! You win the internet. The Enterprise is a storytelling device, not an engineering project. The sheer amount of bullshit in the thin guise of science generated over the decades on this show has done as much to damage people's understanding about science as Indy's adventures did to archaeology. It's all crap, devised by writers to cover logical potholes, create artifical drama, and get themselves out of corners they'd writen themselves into. None of it was intended to be collected and analyzed as an engineering document. What's pathetic is that some aspie fans have fetishized the horsecrap technobabble to the point of prioritizing it over story - "who cares if it's engaging or entertaining?! THE ENTERPRISE CAN'T DO THAT!!!!!!!". Jeesus wept....

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    obiben

    by Mike J

    Bravo my friend, that was so funny I splurted Red Bull over my iPad I laughed so much!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Joaquin used to be called Leaf

    by David Duchovny

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST

    and you aren't supposed be able to transport

    by David Duchovny

    while having shields up, but they have done that several times as well--especially on TNG.

  • I think. I should really watch that movie again.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    philjacksonisthemasterofzen. That Orci news originated here.

    by Deceased Fan

    Hercules on the Radio. http://www.aintitcool.com/node/56587 A RARE AICN scoop. I was there. I compare the experience to the birth of my first child. OK so maybe I was drunk for both. SO WHAT! At least joblo acknowledged the source. Barely.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Re: obiben – Ziploc bags don’t have thrusters and shit.

    by Gary Makin

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    guesss which one

    by couresits kahn

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferreira_family

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    No precedent Enterprise never been underwater

    by Johnathan newport

    1 Who gives a shit? 2 Alternate universe 3 Engines capable of warping spacetime, ya really think establishing shields to maintain hull integrity is beyond that kind of tech? Douche 4 Enterprise rising from the ocean WILL make for one kick-ass image. 5 Science FICTION. Fiiiiiiic-shuun.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    I've already been warned not to give a beat-by-beat synopsis

    by Gabe Athouse

    For what other possible reason would we be reading this, you cunt? YOU SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT AT THE BEGINNING. Then I could have ignored this post in the manner it deserved. Fucking AICN cretins.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Roddenberry said Sybok & that Shatner directed POS wasn't canon

    by Cosmik

    Damn well better not be Sybok.

  • JarJar and his gang of idiots!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Next show Enterprise rolling down city street on wheels.

    by kabong

    No one ever said there's not a wheeled undercarriage on starships.

  • Every child with a tiny interest in space travel knows you can't do that without burning up on reentry. And that guy that jumped from a balloon a couple months ago was still in the atmosphere so don't bring him up.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    If he's Irish, jorel214, he should be "Con," not "Khan"?

    by kabong

    I'm waiting for the line: "I'm Khan." <p> To which Jimbo Kirk says: "Wrong, you can't." <p> Then the Enterprise dives underwater and sinks.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Obrien...owait...

    by Mr Cranky

    Jeesus, reading your later posts my sarcasm detector must need new batteries...or a tachyon pulse generator...or (INSERT BS HERE) bounced off of the main defelctor dish. You can't believe they put a ship in water, I can't believe some aspie spent energy being upset that a pretend spaceship went underwater. If it serves the story (and you have no clue at this point) then IT. DOESN'T. MATTER.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    still think its Garth of Istar!

    by Randy

    it fits a whole lot better then any of the other suggestions that have been made.. just a more obscure character, If it is, kudos to Mr. Abrams for not taking the easy route!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    No, zombot, in answer to your question: they do not think.

    by kabong

    JarJar will make Kirk a Jedi in the next movie.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    you've still got to deal with the ethnicity issue. This can't be Khan.

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    WTF? I thought the ethnicity was the ACTOR, nothing to do with the character?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, noon CST

    Cumberbatch is not . . . Balok.

    by kabong

    Or maybe he is.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, noon CST

    For Fucks Sake, Duck O Death

    by Johnathan newport

    Nice! Whiny beeyatches stop yer Bitchn. Remove thy mouth from mother's teats long-dry. Open eyes, step outside and dream a greater dream than spilling thy own seed lonely. Get thyselves a fucking LIFE. Consider the possibilities

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    question on enterprise going underwater:

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    what if the shields were up?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Star Trek for People who Hate Star Trek...

    by Iudex

    That's what the JJ Verse is...

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    spewbacca. I'm watching fishing.

    by Deceased Fan

    I'm TAPING fishing?! To watch later.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    mr_cranky - I do understand your point

    by ObiBen

    And I do realize that all the technobabble based devices like warp speed, shields, transporters, artificial gravity etc...are just writer devices to get around plot points, effects limitations , budgets, etc....(Became lazy Deus Ex Machina plot devices along the years but Trekkies eat it up and ask for more) However, there are limits to stretching suspension of disbelief. If "it's the future, silly" or "it's time travel, silly" or "it's an alternate universe, silly" arguments are licenses to lazy writing, and kindergarden level fantasy trope, then stop spending bazillions on elaborate productions and visual effects and just have Kirk and Co. zipping along under the sea in Magic Ziplocks (tm) battling Mirror Universe Khan's Goatee on a submersible Segueway, I say!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    my first reaction to reading this...

    by Ben George

    A huge smile. Some people will hate they always do, but as a Star Trek fan of old and new I absolutely love the anticipation and great conversations this particular topic is evoking.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    And I do realise that "In space, no on can hear you...

    by ObiBen

    ...play The Blue Danube."

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    deceased “MOOSEN!!!

    by peter

    There many MOOSEN in the WOODSEN! MANY MUCH MOOSEN! The Meisin wanted and the MOOSEN and...”

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    I'm all for the Enterprise having wheels in the next movie.

    by buggerbugger

    Finally, we'd get to see the Enterprise taking part in a 'Mad Max'-style chase across the desert! The Enterprise would, naturally, be pursued by a Borg Cube on three wheels, like some kind of futuristic Reliant Robin.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Benicio Del Toro was once attached which suggests only Khan.

    by Embeedeuce

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    But I love the Decker idea.

    by Embeedeuce

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    ...then Enterprise on Ice...

    by ObiBen

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST

    LOL! spewbacca. Are you speaking German?

    by Deceased Fan

    GERMAINE! JACKSON!

  • Force Fields.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Gary Seven trains Khan in Trek omniverse

    by iluvsyfy

    1) Mitchell had Godlike powers, Cumberpatch is superhuman only. 2) Seven trained Khan (master) in Eugenics war, probably explained as a covert war occuring alongside War on Terror (which was a cover for fighting the Eugenics War) or they push Eugenics to late 21st century and is the reason for WW3. 2) Seven resurrects Khan earlier in new timeline, and Khan will be villain in 3rd flick. 4) Seven was undercover in U.S. military, now undercover in Starfleet.

  • ...Khan is merely the super-henchman of the Eugenics superwoman, Karen. She's sexy **and** she can kick your ass! Men want to be with her, gay writers want to be her. Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Karen is brought to you by the acclaimed writer, director and fashion designer of 'The (Ever-So Camp) Avengers', Joss Whedon. Coming soon to an alternative Earth near you.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    If force field = pixie dust

    by ObiBen

    then just call it pizie dust and spare the technobabble covering it...

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    re: "...then Enterprise on Ice..."

    by buggerbugger

    Fuck, yes. The Enterprise vs. Mighty Ducks! And I mean really big ducks. With lasers.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Cumberbatch is playing a clone of John Oates

    by Christopher Bynum

    He's seeking vengeance on people for only remembering Daryl Hall and not him. There's also a clone of Art Garfunkel helping him.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Gary Seven will be much more awesomer in Abrams Trek.

    by buggerbugger

    For starters, he'll be called Gary Eight! That's, like, totally one Gary more than seven!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST

    That really looks like a Dark Knight poster

    by Tom Fremgen

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST

    When he asks Kirk "Shall we begin?"

    by Christopher Bynum

    It's a contest to see if Kirk knows the lyrics to Maneater.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Pixie Dust up Mr. Sulu

    by Ben George

    I don't need to know every technical detail and specification of every system parameter of the Enterprise to know she's a bad-ass ship.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST

    SeaQuest: The Next Generation

    by robert

    Admiral, there be whales here!!!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST

    **Spoiler Alert** I've been talking with JarJar for about a month now.

    by kindofabigdeal

    Cumberbatch is Gary Mitchell (so you can stop your Khan wishing) but not in the way you think. He is Kirks best friend, but he is actually a Changeling from the Gamma Quadrant who has infiltrated Starfleet. With the destruction of Vulcan the Alpha quadrant appears vulnerable. We can write it off as the Romulans are at war with the Breen and the Klingons are still recovering from thier ass kicking Nero gave them. This shapeshifters mission is to disable the fleet so that there will be no opposing force to a Dominion occupation. Of course this reveal is saved for the last 20 minutes of the film after we learn Mitchell's true identity. Up till then he will appear to be a superman who sobatages Starfleet from within and nearly escapes until Kirk and crew catch up with him. Kirk and Gary fight it out in a shuttle that gets sucked into an artificially unstable worm hole. The crew are left looking at the view screen of empty space. Starfleet orders them back to Earth but Spock says "I believe I speak on behalf of my crew when I say, to hell with our orders." They then recreate the worm hole and head off to a place where no one has gone before (in this timeline anyways). This sets us up for the third film where we see just how deadly the Dominion is. This could even be pre-Jem'Hadar. But Kirk is meeting with the Horta and Founders. The crew rescue him and learn of the impending invasion. They send a subspace message through a smaller wormhole warning the Alpha Quadrant. The Enterprise is then chased throughout the Gamma Quadrant and while hiding meet up with an omnipotent being who may or may not be Q. This being has seen the future and offers their assistance. But he says that this will only prolong the consequences of the Federations ultimate demise. Kirk thinks he's full of it and refuses. The Dominion fleet mobilizes, their ready to open their artificial wormhole (apparently in this timeline this is now easy to do) but right before they do another one appears in front. It is a coalition of the remaining Starfleet, Klingon, Romulan, and Breen ships making one last pre-emptive strive againts the Dominon. The Enterprise jumps in this huge space battle. A few classic shots that remind us of the awesome space battle in Return of the Jedi. But soon the tide turns in the Dominions favor. In a final act of desperation Kirk asks that being to help them. The (Q?) then opens a portal of his own. We see an armad of Borg ships enter the sector and immediately attack the Dominon ships. The Alpha Quadrant coalition use this as a chance to escape back to the Alpha Quadrant. Back on Earth there is a debriefing scene of Kirk telling his superiors that this was only something to buy them some time. Back on the ship his crew reflect on the events that have passed. When faced with certain doom Kirk says it is not hopeless. For they have turned certain death, into a fighting chance of survival. (nod to ST) After credits we see the Borg assimilating Dominon technology as well as wreckage of Alpha quadrant ship wreckage. They are also trying to assimilate a captured Founder. We learn that they have turned their sites on the Alpha Quadrant. And that it will only be a matter of time till they show up.

  • Big reveal at the end: Kirk and crew are all clones.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by y2kezay

    There seems to be a huge amount of physicists on the site today...like waaaaay more than usual!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Harry are you serious?

    by Ben George

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Enterprise wouldn't need shields or force fields to go underwater.

    by Autodidact

    It's a spaceship. They're airtight. I know water pushes in with a lot more pressure than air pushes out. Pretty sure the exterior thresholds of a federation starship can handle it.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Sing for me Jim.

    by Christopher Bynum

    Whoa, here she comes...........

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST

    >>And I mean really big ducks. With lasers.

    by ObiBen

    Brilliant! Throw in a couple of ill tempered arctic bass and a polar bear and we're good to go! And don't forget to tune in next week and follow the crew of the Enterprise as they phaser-detonate through to the core of the Earth to battle mole people, vampires, smoke monsters and the Prince of Darkness himself!

  • Well we're smart but not that smart?

  • why the hell do they bother hammering megatons of metal on these things? I mean just build a strap-on magic pixie dust generator and have crews zipping along à la Linda Carter only less sexy in invisible spaceships, no?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Concorde can go above mach 2 in air

    by ObiBen

    but only mach .25 in saltwater. Plus it guzzles gas like crazy.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST

    I disagree obiben

    by Ben George

    I think some of them would be as sexy as Linda Carter. And they did build a strap-on magic pixie dust generator, it's called the Enterprise.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Obiben why are you so mad?

    by Ben George

    Did a teacher miss grade one of your physics papers?

  • This argument is ridiculous.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST

    I don't care if it's the queen tribble,I'm there dirt weekend.

    by Cedric Ford

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST

    first weekend

    by Cedric Ford

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Me, mad? Nah. I just like my disbelief properly suspended.

    by ObiBen

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    spewbacca and deceased

    by Skraggo

    The yellow one is the sun! AND You too! You have a good flight too! In case you ever fly some day.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Due to Global Warming

    by Mace Tofu

    all Starships have to be built water proof just in case the ice caps melt and would flood all the shipyardson Earth. Sure they have been predicting these floods for 400 years but better safe than sorry.

  • Really goes with this grittier, darker ST universe they're trying to sell. It's dark...FUN dark.

  • As for the movie, I loved the first one, no nerd rage came out of me at what I watched. I'm looking forward to this one a lot. Don't feel it's Khan though. Although I liked the theory that Khan may be foreshadowed in the next one. We'll see, BRING IT!!!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST

    The Enterprise is reinforced with

    by David Duchovny

    transparent aluminum. It would NOT buckle like a sub if the shields went down. Plus it wouldn't have to navigate underwater. It's simply submerged down there and in hiding.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST

    there are white sikh's.

    by Johnboy40

    No reason Khan couldn't be white and a sikh. Sikhism is a religion as well as Sikh's being an ethnicity, and it's usual for a non sikh to take a sikh name when converting to the religion. back story for Khan was that he was of Indian descent. Well, again, no reason he cant be white.After all, Charlize Theron is african.

  • Khan seems like it if you want to go by race I guess. Maybe Del Toro is a hint? Also, how fucking stupid is Benecio for turning that role down? I mean it looks like it would've been his fucking movie!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    All this discussion over whether the Enterprise could survive underwater

    by Ray Tchoulakian

    ignores the inescapable fact that the Enterprise somehow submerged itself while entering the atmosphere of an alien planet. In other words, the ship and crew VIOLATED THE PRIME DIRECTIVE BY ENTERING THE PLANET'S ATMOSPHERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Discussing the physics of the situation is secondary and silly. Moreover, how did no living beings on the planet notice an alien spacecraft entering their atmosphere? They'd have to be pretty freaking primitive in nature in order for them to not notice such an event. The writers better somehow explain the situation adequately in the sequence, otherwise this movie is gonna be really, really stupid.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Hey! My garden shed is made of aluminium too!

    by ObiBen

    Oh, but sadly of the non-transparent variety, so I guess it would crumple under water. So much for my wild SeaMonkey behavioural study expedition... :(

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:19 p.m. CST

    southpawd

    by David Duchovny

    The natives evolved without eyes or their religion forbids them from looking at the sky.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Cumberbatch plays... John Harrison?

    by tomandshell

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Cumberbatch is fighting Klingons

    by eric haislar

    in the trailer.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:23 p.m. CST

    John Harrison at least sounds like a British name

    by David Duchovny

  • If they know enough to generate artificial gravity on a stable interior deck, then they would know enough to generate anti-gravity. I'm surprised things like this weren't extrapolated earlier on in the franchise.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST

    It IS John Harrison (and new picture)

    by David Duchovny

    to the unbelieving twats on the other thread. I told you I saw this footage. Bite me. http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/new-picture-from-star-trek-into-darkness-reveals-the-villains-identity/

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Late John Harrison? Surely you mean Ringo...

    by ObiBen

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Anagrams for John Harrison

    by David Duchovny

    Harsh Join Nor Hair Johns Nor Hairs John Nor Hora Rho Jinns Hora Rhos Jinn Horas Rho Jinn Rah John Rosin Rah John Irons Rah Johns Iron Rah Horn Joins Rah Shorn Join Rah Horns Join Rash John Iron Rash Horn Join Ninja Rho Rhos Iran John Rhos Iran Johns Rho Iran Josh Horn Rain John Rhos Rain Johns Rho Rain Josh Horn Rani John Rhos Rani Johns Rho Rani Josh Horn Rains John Rho Ranis John Rho Air John Shorn Air John Horns Air Johns Horn Airs John Horn Sari John Horn Jar Rhino Hons Jar Rhino Nosh Jar Rhinos Hon Jar Shin Honor Jars Rhino Hon Ran Rhino Josh Roar Shin John A Shirr John On A Shirr John No A John Horn Sir A Rho Rhos Jinn Ah John Sir Nor Ah Rho Jinns Or Ah Rhos Jinn Or Ha John Sir Nor Ha Rho Jinns Or Ha Rhos Jinn Or Rah John Sin Or Rah John Ins Or Rah John Sir On Rah John Sir No Rah John Is Nor Rah Johns I Nor Rah Johns In Or Rah Josh In Nor Rah Josh Inn Or Rah Ho Jinns Or Rah Oh Jinns Or Rah Rho Jinn So Rah Ohs Jinn Or Rah Hos Jinn Or Rash John I Nor Rash John In Or Rash Ho Jinn Or Rash Oh Jinn Or Has Rho Jinn Or Ash Rho Jinn Or Jar Shh Ion Nor Jar Shh Iron On Jar Shh Iron No Jar Hi Horn Nos Jar Hi Horn Son Jar Hi Shorn On Jar Hi Shorn No Jar Hi Horns On Jar Hi Horns No Jar Hi Hons Nor Jar Hi Nosh Nor Jar Shin Hon Or Jar Shin Ho Nor Jar Shin Oh Nor Jar Shin Rho On Jar Shin Rho No Jar His Hon Nor Jar His Horn On Jar His Horn No Jar Hon Horn Is Jar Hon Shorn I Jar Hon Horns I Jar Hon Rho Sin Jar Hon Rho Ins Jar Hon Rhos In Jar Horn Hons I Jar Horn Nosh I Jar Horn Ho Sin Jar Horn Ho Ins Jar Horn Oh Sin Jar Horn Oh Ins Jar Horn Ohs In Jar Horn Hos In Jar Shorn Ho In Jar Shorn Oh In Jar Horns Ho In Jar Horns Oh In Jar Hons Rho In Jar Nosh Rho In Jar Ho Rho Inns Jar Ho Rhos Inn Jar Oh Rho Inns Jar Oh Rhos Inn Jar Rho Ohs Inn Jar Rho Hos Inn Jars Hi Hon Nor Jars Hi Horn On Jars Hi Horn No Jars Hon Horn I Jars Hon Rho In Jars Horn Ho In Jars Horn Oh In Jars Ho Rho Inn Jars Oh Rho Inn An John Rho Sir Ran Shh Join Or Ran Hi Johns Or Ran Hi Josh Nor Ran His John Or Ran John Ho Sir Ran John Oh Sir Ran John Rho Is Ran John Rhos I Ran Johns Rho I Ran Josh Horn I Ran Josh Rho In Oar Shh Jinn Or Jar Shh I On Nor Jar Shh I No Nor Jar Shh In On Or Jar Shh In No Or

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    A black Perry White?? Whats next? Mexican Jimmy Olsen?

    by Fries Against

    A half Asian Lana Lang?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    I have a white penis that I named BBC. It happens.

    by David Duchovny

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Science Fiction doesn't mean...

    by Hipshot

    You can do anything you want. It means you can extrapolate from known facts, or you can change (usually a single) things and ask what would happen "if." It is impossible to create an actual continuity to Trek, because it is fiction written over forty years by dozens of different writers. Even if it had all been written by, say, Larry Niven, sharp-eyed fans would have noticed problems and plot holes and he would have merrily scampered around Known Universe patching. The problem is that it is fiction, no writer is God, and therefore the worlds they create, no matter how smart they are, and how hard they try, will contain inconsistencies. Hell, HISTORIES can't relate reality well enough to satisfy everyone. There are always disagreements. So when you have a mythology like Trek--what are you going to consider Canon? Every show? The novels? Animation? All the movies? It CANNOT hold together, no matter how hard they try, any more than you can "actually" create a continuity in 50 years of James Bond films. What you can do is try to be faithful to the spirit, and try to have individual films make sense...and entertain...on their own. But there will never, ever, be agreement on whether they accomplished this aim, just different segments of the population agreeing or disagreeing. J.J. reinvigorated the franchise, bringing new audience in. Many of the "Old" fans loved it, others hated it. No one is really "wrong" here. No villains. Just creators and audiences, like always.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    So the Horta is out for sure?

    by Ben George

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    A half Asian Lana Lang?

    by Ben George

    I see what you did there :)

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST

    For what it's worth

    by FuzzyLumpkins

    the British mag TV21 did a story back in the '60s or '70s with the Enterprise under water. Great art, terrible writing.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST

    That's not the Enterprise coming out of the water

    by notconcerned

    The nacelles are attached directly to the main body of the ship and there's no saucer section. The Enterprise crashing into the water is bothering me though.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    notconcerned - I think you are right

    by ObiBen

    Looks like uncle Earl sporting a huge sombrero and holding two of those oversized plastic baseball bats behind his hairy back!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST

    It's not Gary Mitchell. It's an all new villian named Mary Gitchell

    by Crooooooow

    He's pissed that he has a girls name.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Enterprise underwater is a stupid thing to complain about

    by Jamel

    I find it funny that people are complaining about the believably of this, but have no problem believing a ship can escape the pull of a black hole by using an explosion. Voyager flew within a planet's atmosphere and so did the Enterprise. It's a ship in the far future. Who are you to say what it can't do? None of you have seen the movie, yet you seem to know that the Enterprise hiding underwater to follow the Prime Directive is ridiculous. Why don't you try watching the movie, first?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST

    John Harrison also known as....

    by HornOrSilk

    .... Garth...

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    That's not the Enterprise crashing

    by Jamel

    It's clearly another ship. It looks like a Nova Class starship.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST

    John Harrison is an anagram for "Picard Clone"

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    In a dialect of the Czech language that I just made up.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    teach me your Czech margot

    by Ben George

    P.S. I liked you in that one movie, you were cute.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Garth....

    by HornOrSilk

    Garth John Harrison. Sounds like a real name. It is a real name. See how they are telling us it is Garth? By using John Harrison? Garth John Harrison is a real person, so we know Garth can be a first name, but in this universe, he could be using his middle name, John.....

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:06 p.m. CST

    What is this ... Czech ... that you often speak of?

    by ObiBen

    [eyelashes fluttering in a lovely vaseline haze]

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Garth....

    by Ben George

    What?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST

    New official photo

    by Jamel

    http://i.imgur.com/yvYxs.jpg So, that scene at the end of the trailer turns out to be Spock and Cumberbach's character. It's the same scene from "Where No Man has Gone Before," without the woman who has the same hair cut as Alice Eve's character: http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd/wherenomanhasgonebeforehd513.jpg

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Source

    by Jamel

    Forgot the source: comicbookmovie.com

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Garth! Of course! I knew I recognized his fould stench

    by ObiBen

    when I was brought on board...

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Stop posting obvious stupid bullshit

    by David Duchovny

    Some of these posts might as well read BREAKING: Water is wet.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Thanks luminus!

    by Chris Moody

    You are probably right!

  • He's got to be enjoying this lol. After the last 24 hours of speculation, he probably turned to Orci and said "Let's release of photo with a caption saying like....John Harrison!".

  • Sheesh.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST

    This is the most entertaining talkback I've seen in awhile...

    by GeneralKael

    Seriously, this is damn fine entertainment right here. My favourite so far is SeaQuest: The Next Generation. I laughed out loud at that. Even the arguments(for the most part) are fairly good natured. Actually, has the ship rising out of the water reminded anyone of the Argo/Yamato doing that in Starblazers/Space Battleship Yamato? I thought of the similarity almost immediately. Although that's an oceangoing Battleship turned into a spaceship rising out of the ocean...

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    nice dark knight return poster rip off...lame

    by FleshMachine

    yep

  • i wish they kapt the smarts of the origical material..technologically speaking that is.

  • He’s the villain.

  • Please inform us of the gayness quotient of this name. --- Dec 06, 2012 4:08:16 AM CST Gary Mitchell by pretentious-rr-douchebag Sounds even gayer when you say it out loud. Try it.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Dun dun da-da-da-da dun. Dun dun da-da-da-da dun.

    by Bill C.

    I mean, hey--if we're going to go there with James Horner aping himself, we might as well go to the motherlode. Semi-seriously, though: I think I'm done trying to figure out who Future Guy, Cumberbatch Edition, is. We've got a name, which is obviously a misdirect; he's wearing a Starfleet uniform at points, which could well ALSO be a misdirect. Maybe I'm just resigning myself to Team Abrams doing whatever the frak they want with their pocket universe...

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Horner

    by Keith

    Puh-LEASE, people. Horner has always been quoting Wrath of Khan? Try Battle Beyond The Stars and Humanoids From The Deep.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:57 p.m. CST

    gmakin

    by ObiBen

    My eyes are still all teary

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4 p.m. CST

    margot_tenenbaum

    by David Duchovny

    Same amount of gayness. I don't like how Abrams is dicking us all around. Getting old in a hurry.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    colinjbooth

    by Keith

    'the ship can't go in the water' blah blah blah. Who gives a fuck? It's science FICTION!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    gmakin

    by David Duchovny

    Kudos

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Sigh

    by Keith

    This is one of the most inept fallacies of cultural analysis. Are you saying it would be fine if Spock suddenly had the power to ignore gravity? Or that Kirk revealed at a dramatic moment in the plot that the Enterprise could grow to ten times its normal size in order to defeat an enemy battleship? Gimme a break. 'Science fiction' does not mean 'you can make shit up as you go along without any regard for consistency or logic'.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST

    this is gonna be bad...

    by Squinty CGI Flynn

    But I still want to see it. Already getting the same vibe from the fist film. One of best sci franchises ever revived to suit the fans of the Tranformers and GI Joe movies. Going via the same process with the first movie: Get drunk and sneak bottle of Jameson into the theater, have fun and hate myself later.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Actually, margot--A little less gay

    by David Duchovny

    At least he looks and sounds like he could be named John Harrison. Gary Mitchell sounds like a California surfer name.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    So tempting to talk shit about the mindless hoopla...

    by Darth Macchio

    But it's just pointless. These movies are the jock versions of star trek. I'm not looking to argue. If you don't think I'm right, no worries. I don't think you're right either. But the first one was slightly less than stupid fun. I'm guessing this next one will be too. khan/mitchel/pisseed-off-tribble-in-human-form or whatever...it will be fun. not worth all the speculation i'd wager...but fun either way. I'd love for it to be more than that but we'd need someone other than the people who have it now which will never happen (the hype on this plus the coin will prevent anybody from JJ touching it for a while most likely). as always with any property i love - i do hope i'm wrong with any negative thing i feel about these movies. very much hope to be wrong.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST

    mr cranky

    by Keith

    This is bullshit: If it serves the story (and you have no clue at this point) then IT. DOESN'T. MATTER. Here's why it's bullshit: if you can assert anything at any time, there are no real constraints on the story, and there is no tension. Tension comes from understanding the constraints of the narrative universe, understanding when things are going in the protagonists' favor or going against them, trying to reason about what you would do in their shoes etc. If you can introduce novelty at any time without regard for previously-established rules, or logic, then anything goes, and you might as well be in a Tex Avery cartoon. Have you ever tried playing a game of chess in which each player can, at any moment in the game, decide the rules governing any given piece on the board? Do you think that game would be fun? I'll end the suspense. It would not be fun. It would be shit. Anyone who thinks that a story would be more fun with no constraints in place is misguided at best, like a six year old thinking the untrammelled chess game would be even more fun than regular chess. Saying 'if it serves the story...' is question-begging bullshit. You cannot serve the story properly by making clear that there are no meaningful constraints on your world. At best, you gain a short-term thrill followed by long term disquiet on the part of the audience: "Wait a minute, they can do WHAT?"

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    ^ Right! What misterdarcy said!

    by ObiBen

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST

    I don't hate him...

    by Ben George

    I even understand his point.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST

    lox4444

    by David Duchovny

    Exactly--and ALIAS was JJ Abrams TV show don't forget.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    @ gmakin

    by Ray Tchoulakian

    Yes, I have watched Star Trek since I was about 8. And I have seen plenty of episodes involving the crew making first contact with pre-warp cultures ("Who Watches the Watchers" and "First Contact" of TNG immediately come to mind). However, you neglect to take into account my main point, which is the Enterprise would be violating the Prime Directive by entering the atmosphere of a planet in order to control first contact with a culture. What sense does it make for the ship to hide in the ocean? Our present culture is certainly pre-warp, but there are plenty of deep-sea divers and naval submarines traveling throughout our oceans, so why would the Enterprise risk contacting a planet's inhabitants who may be on or under the ocean? The description of the nine-minute sequence may be leaving out some crucial details, but unless there's a really good reason that we don't yet know about, the whole thing sounds really dumb.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:13 p.m. CST

    If you can't handle the Enterprise being underwater

    by R Wayne

    Your mind is really going to implode when it's revealed in ST 3 that the Enterprise is really a mecha and can transform into a giant pilotable robot.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Coolest part of 'Star Blazers' was...

    by samoanalii

    When the Argo (Yamato) would burst out of the ocean...

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST

    *can be exposed

    by Gary Makin

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST

    The villain HAS to be...

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    JJ Abrams.. The guy is a dicknosed fucking hack.

  • Or does he not have the man-pecs for it? XD But as to the Enterprise entering the atmosphere....who said that it can't? The problem of course would be that it is 1. Not aerodynamic in shape, 2. Doesn't seem to have a propulsion form which would work in the atmosphere - I'm not sure as to what sort of propulsion impulse drive is, but I always thought of it as sort of an ionic propulsion. I could be wrong - in fact, I think I have to be, because there's no way they'd be accelerating to the speeds they reach even at impulse power as quickly as they do if it were such a weak and gradual acceleration. There are other issues as well of course, but who knows. Evidently they can as they did do it in TOS. Underwater....ehhhhhh well given that they're able to travel many, many times the speed of light....maybe by the 23rd century they'd also have the ability to create a vessel which can do just that as well as fly in space. Who are we to say? 3 centuries ago, people could NEVER have fathomed atomic power, landing on the moon, rovers on mars, that the observable universe spans 13+ billion light years, computers, microwaves, hell, your cellphone would be enough to get you burned for witchcraft. Who knows how their shields work? What their hulls are made of? I should point out that they don't appear to have a system of ballast, so being largely open and pressurized on the inside, the Enterprise, you would think, would just float. Mehhhh enough thinking about that. It's not like it'd be the first impractical or even impossible bit of writing in Star Trek history.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:09 p.m. CST

    Horner quotes STII in ALIENS also

    by Autodidact

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST

    As for Enterprise under water

    by Syberean

    If you want to go full on geek for a minute, think about pressures on the hull as such a ship moves through the space near a star at appreciable fractions of the speed of light with no space warping bubble to protect it.Not relativistic speeds but apppreciable fractions like one quarter and one half. The pressure levels on the hull form stellar winds will be more than that of being hundreds of miles underwater. Added the speculated tech includes things like inertial dampening, structual integrity fields, force fields, and alloys and composits that are two and a half centuries int he making starting from what we have now, going underwater is pretty easy. That said. the logical reason for doing so is its the rinse cycle at Harry Mudd's bikini car and starship wash. Kirk could never resist a mission or two there. And Harrison is a red herring. Garth of Izar could look like anyone he chose to. It doesn't even scratch canon to have him in a cell with Kirk and Spock thinking he's one of their own. He is too young and white to be Khan, and in other clips he's packing a BFG 9000 and oddly enough uses it to bitch slap a Klingon, which he could have used it on and taken out at a distance. The devastation, and rocking the federation and starfleet to its core fits the battle of Axonar. The healing ability of CB's character fits Garth's story. For those asking why we didn't see Weller, are you sure we didn't see him? The Klingon inthe trailer is getting up close and personal treatment by the movie's major antagonist. He's unlikely to be a Klingon red shirt. He could very well be Weller under the mask.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Voyager went under water. in the epsiode Thirty Days

    by rakesh patel

    why the fuck are you still arguing about it

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST

    khan was indian. no evidence that he was sikh

    by walt

    bad guess by the ship's historian, who shouldve been an anthropologist...not an historian...as she had no clue who khan was took the ship's computer minutes to find that out pre dna testing...so writers can be excused for plot hole my question is...why in wrath were all of khan's followers Caucasian? in original epi, quite clearly spelled out that they represented all races should have had asians, latins and blacks

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Hell Yes, Mr. X...

    by AdmiralXizor

    Most folks who bitch and moan didn't even watch TOS, TNG, VOY or ENT (though I don't blame them for the last one). Give them eight minutes of a TOS episode and they'd crap themselves complaining about how lame and trite it was, with the same fervor that they use to attack a movie they've never seen. Grow up, guys, and enjoy the movie that's actually on the screen, instead of bellyaching about the fanfiction you wrote in high school an WISH was up there. Geez.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Next thing you know...

    by AdmiralXizor

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Next thing You Know...

    by AdmiralXizor

    folks will want to cuss out Abrams for modifying the main deflector dish for some godawful reason... or calibrating a photon torpedo to simulate a resonance burst... or re-aligning the dilithium matrix... or locking onto something with a tractor beam... or increasing power to forward shields... or making Kirk take off his shirt for no reason...

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST

    BTW, Alice Eve IS a dead ringer for Elizabeth Dehner.

    by AdmiralXizor

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Harry Mudd bitches

    by Grand Moff Toht

    Cumberbatch as the Squire of Gothos. It is known. Actually, I truly believe the villain is professor John Gill and he wants to turn a planet into Nazi Germany. Just to prove national socialism can Then Spock goes into Ponfar and has to go back to Vulcan to claim his arranged marriage bride and fight Kirk in a duel -- whoops, no Vulcan. Guess we don't get to revisit Amok Time. But if I don't see Harry Mudd or tribbles this time around, I will take a giant shit in the theatre. Spock's Brain. You may fire when ready.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 3 a.m. CST

    Why this will suck

    by John Fasano

    You guys are all obsessed with "is this Khan?" Are missing the bigger point: these guys can't WRITE In the first JJ TREK, Kirk and Spock had to find a way to "bond" do they could defeat Nero. So JJ and company figured the best way to accomplish that was to have Kirk drive Spock to the point where they fight. Brilliant. I guess that no one realized that Nero killed Kirks dad AND Spocks mom. Teaming up to get the guy who killed our parents isn't a good reason And Nero just sat and waited what? 20 years? JJ TREK 1 was attractive SHIT. poorly thought out plot hole driven shit Like SUPER 8 This will be more of the same I'll wait for the bluray Maybe

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Coming in 2028: Star Trek: Here comes V-Ger...AGAIN!!!

    by iceman199

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Underwater, why not?

    by Five

    A Starship must be air tight to travel in space why couldn't it travel underwater? It can take hits from Phasers and Photon Torpedoes so it's hull must be strong. Water pressure would be no problem. Maybe it's underwater with its shields up. If you believe in the concepts of a Holodeck, a Cloaking Device, time travel, warp speed, Vulcan Mind-Melds, Dilithium Crystals, Klingons, Tribbles, Beaming up and Beaming down but you got a problem with a spaceship underwater... you got problems.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Cumberbatch isn't Indian?

    by lickyball

    You mean like Ricardo Montalban?

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    harry_rayhausen didn't watch the movie.

    by AdmiralXizor

    Nero didn't sit and wait around at the coordinates for 20 years. Remember when Uhura was talking about the distress call from the Klingon prison planet? Kirk was under the bed. Nero had just broken out. He had been doing hard time in Klingon prison, while the Narada (with its Borg technology) was repairing itself. That whole thing about revenge would have been dismissed by both Spocks as illogical. Rip on Abrams for other things, but not those. Just saying.

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Let's see: An aircraft carrier sould be able to dive

    by ObiBen

    1- Airtight - Check! 2- Hardass armored hull -Check! 3- Airtight - Check! Dang! Why does it just floats there!?