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Nordling Says BNAT 14 Was A Magical Day!

Nordling here.

This will be full of misspellings, improper sentences, and various other mistakes (so what else is new) as I am still very punchy and tired from the fourteenth annual Butt-Numb-A-Thon.  I'm normally first out of the gate with these things, so why break tradition?  This will not be as long as my usual BNAT write-ups, because I'm tired as hell, my feet feel swollen, and I'm, as usual, so sad to be away from my friends and geek family for another year.  It's never soon enough, people.

This year, I think, will go on record as being the most relaxing, chilled BNAT ever.  Unlike other years, where the anxiety and nervousness are almost palpable due to the many premieres and special events, this year I really just surrendered myself to the day and whatever Harry had planned.  I was especially happy on Friday to finally see the finished RAIDERS Adaptation, as I had only seen the first half almost ten years before to the day.  Hanging our with Eric Zala and Chris Stromberg, the two insane kids (now adults) behind that wonderous movie, was a bonus.  The fact that after 10 years of having their movie rock BNAT's world, that they were finally experiencing the event for themselves, was really terrific.

This year Harry really wanted to show 35MM prints, because as we all know the format is dying.  This was a celebration of that format, and I was thankful to see these movies before they are gone.  Who knows if any of these titles will be converted to digital?  Plus, there's something so soothing and tactile about 35MM.  I loved being able to see these movies as they were intended.

It's been quite a year at Ain't It Cool.  Harry's show has done well, and we all hope for a new season of insanity.  I'm putting in my request right now - I want to be eaten by Boiler at some point.  I feel it's probably the only appropriate way to die for me.  Here's the sizzler reel for Season 1 that played at BNAT - and I'm always so honored to be a part of this site and with everyone here.

Listen, this isn't the crowd to bitch to if you aren't being catered to your specific wants, especially when it comes to seeing things that you haven't seen before, or premieres and stuff like that.  We are film enthusiasts, open to practically anything, and if we see a premiere that's terrific, but that's not the point of BNAT, never has been, and never will be.  It's Harry throwing us into the deep end of the film pool, so to speak, and just trusting his tastes to see us through.  This year, we ran the entire gamut - fantasy, horror, crime dramas, musicals, utterly bugfuck nuts strangeness, film noir, dystopian sci-fi, and even a little bit of that old 1980s action movie style.  And this year, because it was mostly vintage, for me much of the urgency of BNAT went away, and I really enjoyed the event and the tone of it this year.

So yeah, I'll talk about the new stuff, some of the old stuff, and yes, I will dive into THE HOBBIT: AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY and all the brouhaha surrounding the 48FPS thing.  In no particular order:



Those expecting the villain to be revealed should probably think again - although we see Benedict Cumberbatch more, it's still unsaid who he plays.  But, he does definitely wear a Starfleet uniform, and this time we see some space battles, as well as that now infamous shot of the hands-on-glass.  But the tone of that original 53-second teaser is much the same, and little is revealed.  I'm just as intrigued about what the movie is actually about, and if this is vague, I'm sorry - I'm really tired.  But don't expect to have your questions answered - this is a J. J. Abrams movie, after all.

The First 8 Minutes Of WORLD WAR Z

If you've seen the trailer, you've seen a lot of it.  Brad Pitt and family in the car, slowly becoming aware of some bad shit going down.  One bit I really did like - Pitt's daughter's teddy bear singing a song and counting down from ten, as we see a man transform from human into zombie in that ten seconds, body wracked with the transformation, and then the singalong "The train has left the station!" and the new zombie stands up and breaks into a full-on sprint.  This is big in scale and the 8 minutes sets the tone very well about the mass chaos that ensues in just a matter of minutes.  It's well-done and shot; I'm just not seeing much of Max Brooks' novel yet.  There is a mention of "rabies" being spread, and the scale works very well (although it was unfinished).  Whether or not fans of the book will be satisfied is uncertain, but I did like what I saw.

The PACIFIC RIM Footage From Comic-Con

Guillermo Del Toro brought his new movie that he produced, MAMA, but he also brought what we thought was the new trailer for PACIFIC RIM.  Instead, someone gave him the wrong file and we saw the footage from Comic-Con.  I hadn't seen it, so that was fine by me.  The scale is marvelous - these robots and monsters have weight to them that feels genuine, and I'd love to have that old Sensurround Sound installed in theaters for this one, literally shaking the roof off the place.  You;ll get a new trailer this weekend with THE HOBBIT, and you'll see what more GdT has in store.  But make no mistake, as Harry said during the Q&A, this is Del Toro's STAR WARS - a new universe for us to play in.  You should be excited for this.

The EVIL DEAD Footage

I'm bummed we couldn't get to see the whole movie - due to some inside baseball politics BNAT was not able to show the movie in its entirety - but know this: I am freakishly excited for this now.  The footage we saw involved a young woman, possessed by the demons in the NECRONOMICON EX MORTIS, which we get to see in detail - as she wounds herself in the face in a most gruesome manner.  As a young man tries to stop her, he gets a bit of nasty business straight into his eye, and the audience screamed as he pulled a broken syringe needle out of the bottom of his eyelids.  It was spectacularly gory, hardcore, and so utterly completely EVIL DEAD - down to the crazy-ass Raimiesque camera angles - that fans who are being reluctant to embrace this should put aside their misgivings.  From this one scene alone, I was utterly convinced.  EVIL DEAD is going to kick unholy amounts of ass.


We saw a new 3D trailer for RETALIATION, and it looked about as good as it expected to, with all sorts of metal stars and pieces of swords flying at the screen.  But the best thing about it was the scene where Snake Eyes makes his was into the enemy compund to capture Storm Shadow.  We get ninjas flying from mountainsides on cables, shurikens flying at the camera to be dispatched with automatic gunfire, a duel between Storm Shadow and Snake Eyes, all in 3D, and it looked amazing.  I don't know how good GIJOE RETALIATION will be, but it sure looked fun.

THE HEAT Footage

Paul Feig brought the red band trailer for THE HEAT, starring Sandra Bullock and Melissa McCarthy, and then a couple of scenes - one where Melissa McCarthy harasses and arrests a poor john played by Tony Hale and another where Sandra Bullock tries to save a choking man at a restaurant with the worst tracheotomy surgery ever performed.  It was rude, crude, and very funny and the audience laughed a lot.  I'm a fan of BRIDESMAIDS and Feig looks to bring more of that humor here - McCarthy was especially funny, but Bullock looked to hold her own as well.  THE HEAT opens enxt year and looks to be just as funny as BRIDESMAIDS.

Michael Bay's PAIN AND GAIN Trailer

This was my favorite trailer of the night, and it's because I completely did not expect this.  I, along with Mr. Beaks, am an unabashed fan of BAD BOYS 2.  I don't give a shit - that movie is organized chaos, a movie so screwed up in its priorities that with Humvees it literally runs ramshod over poor people  in a Cuban shantytown.  This is that filmmaker again, not the one from TRANSFORMERS, and he's playing in a decidedly adult world this time, as Mark Wahlberg (looking almost old-school Schwarzenegger huge) and Dwayne Johnson decide to rob poor Tony Shalhoub of all his money.  Devin Faraci described this as having a somewhat Coen Brothers feel to it, and I can see that, but it looks as if Bay is truly playing with the camera in a way that even his higher-budget movies don't allow.  Plus, the dialogue is flat-out awesome.  This may very well surprise us all - Bay fans and haters alike - next year.



I'll be writing a bigger review later in the week, but short answer is that I loved this first film in the new Middle-earth Trilogy.  Stepping back into that world was about as comforting as it could get, and Jackson eases us back into this world with the same skills that he had in the original.  It's hard to be critical when Peter Jackson brings me back into that place again.  That said, there is some fat that could have been cut, and the CGI is far more prevalent than even the first trilogy.  But Martin Freeman is flat-out perfect as Bilbo, and Richard Armitage is noble as Thorin Oakenshield, even when he lets his nobility get in the way of his reasoning.  It's, of course, wonderful to see Gandalf, Galadriel, Saruman, and Elrond again, and you can tell that they will definitely be up to something in the second movie.  The Riddles In The Dark sequence with Bilbo and Andy Serkis's Gollum is a definite high point; another great moment is when two mountains literally go to war with each other, with the tiny Dwarves and one Hobbit at their mercy.  That felt truly epic in the 3D.

I know I am in the minority on this.  Just from reactions at BNAT, I know this.  But I truly liked 48FPS.  It made the 3D pop in a manner in which I've never seen before.  I've been struggling with eye issues all my life, and I've never been able to see 3D in its full potential - until now.  Yes, it does take getting used to - people seem to move faster than normal, and then about 15 minutes in it really does kick into place.  That said, this is a different aesthetic than many are used to, and many film enthusiasts will flat-out reject it.  I'm still not entirely sure what I think yet - there are moments so beautiful in this format, and others that really do look strange, especially with the CGI.  Perhaps THE DESOLATION OF SMAUG will look different, and if you are used to film this will take some adjusting.  But for now, I had no eye strain when watching this 3D, and that alone made it worth it for me.  Time will tell for me on my preferences, but I didn't reject it outright like I thought I was going to do.  We'll see.


I won't lie - at one point, I jumped out of my seat.  Guillermo Del Toro produced this movie, directed by Andres Muschetti, a story of two young girls abandoned in the forest with only some... entity protecting them and raising them.  When their uncle Lucas (Nicolaj Coster-Waldau) and his girlfriend Anabel (Jessica Chastain) find them and decide to take care of them, the being that was protecting them follows them to their new home.  But Mama is jealous, and full of madness and rage, and threatens them all.  I really liked how the movie doesn't pull a lot of visual punches - it's not all set-up with creaks and bumps for two-thirds of the movie.  Jessica Chastain pals a very different role than in ZERO DARK THIRTY, and helps to elevate the material, even when the story starts to get a little creaky itself.  I think strong word-of-mouth will help this find an audience, especially since it's PG-13 (but doesn't feel it).  Pretty scary movie, kids.


I found this Sylvester Stallone action-fest pretty generic, even with the great Walter Hill at the helm.  It's funny at times, and Jason Momoa makes a formidable bad guy, and Sung Kang is good as Sly's cop partner who doesn't know whether to arrest Sly or help him.  But if you've seen Hill's other 80s efforts like RED HEAT or 48 HRS, you've seen Hill far better than this movie.  It's vaporware for the most part - it's got its moments of fun, but I've seen a hundred of these movies in the 1980s, and done better.



We almost saw the whole thing this time!  I think me wearing the jersey helped poor Jeff Mahler's chances this year.  Too bad we'll never know if the Beavers won.


My favorite musical of the night.  Fred Astaire and Eleanor Powell dance like gods.  This was a truly great movie about a tested friendship and a love of cinema that knows no bounds.  My wife's favorite movie of the night, and it would have been mine if a certain movie hadn't played later...


Busby Berkeley is a mad genius.  If you've ever seen his wonderful work, from WONDERBAR to FOOTLIGHT PARADE, he makes such amazing use of the space and of choreography that it boggles the mind.  THE GANG'S ALL HERE is Berkeley playing in Technicolor, and if you watch the scene above, it really is amazing to see on the big screen.  It's beautiful, insane, and glorious.  I'm so happy I saw this.


I wish Drew McWeeny was here to see this one, as he's a huge Myrna Loy and William Powell fan from THE THIN MAN movies.  In this one, Spencer Tracy and Jean Harlow join in on the screwball comedy as a newspaper guy tries to prevent his paper from being sued by setting up a "libeled lady" to fall in love.  The dialogue is witty and fun.  A terrific screwball comedy.


If there's any great actor that George Clooney, in my opinion, emulates, it's Tyrone Power.  Power subverted his own image much like Clooney does today - as a perfectly likable man, he is able to take audiences into places that may be darker than they are used to.  This "carnival noir" movie is about faith, hucksterism, and the power of guilt in ripping one man's soul apart,  Harry was adamant about seeing this in 35mm, and I'm glad we all did.


My favorite movie moment of the night.  For years, I've been bugging Harry to play ANGELS WITH DIRTY FACES, my all-time favorite James Cagney movie.  People would have been sobbing into their breakfasts. But Harry seemingly heard my cries for a Cagney gangster movie and played what is probably considered his best, most iconic gangster performance of all time.  I stood up and cheered when Harry announced this title - it was almost as if he programmed it just for me.  If nothing else, I'm so so happy I got to see this with an audience - legitimately one of my favorite movies of all time.  This, Harry, was my Christmas present, and I can't thank you enough for playing it.


I love this movie, and have seen it many times.  I love it mostly because until the mid-90s, this was the only team in Houston that ever won anything.  ROLLERBALL may seem quaint now, but when it was released it was seen as incredibly violent and controversial.  The print was truly gorgeous, and I love the message about corporations trying to stfle the individual man, a strange dichotomy that seems very different in today's political realities.  Plus. it's just a kickass movie.

It was another amazing BNAT, and I'd like to thank Harry, Eric Vespe, Steve Prokopy, Jay Knowles, Patricia Knowles, Moises Chiullan, Kevin Biegel, Rian Johnson, Noah Segan, Christopher Cargill, Meghan McCain, Eric Zala, Chris Strompolos, Elijah Wood, Jeremy Stomberg, Derek Mahr, Windy Bowlsby, John Ary, Ed Travis, my wife Tami, and so many others for an amazing time this year.  Hated to leave, and hopefully we'll see you next year.  Thanks for reading.

Nordling, out.  Follow me on Twitter!

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  • Dec. 9, 2012, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Cool. Glad you guys had fun.

    by FuckinAmateurMan

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST

    BNAT has huge fans

    by Robert Hand

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST

    nice to see some nice words about Mama, but

    by SenatorJeffersonSmith

    That movie looks like total shit. Generic as all hell and PG-13 to boot.

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Looks like an awesome time. A question...

    by Logan_1973

    Was THE HOBBIT run on 35mm?

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST

    marky mark

    by Robert Hand

    does not look anything like arnold. wahlberg has the fat arm syndrome. classic tell tell signs of roid use.

  • Specific wants are exactly why Harry didn't like TDKR. Just sayin....

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Hobbit extended edition confirmed

    by ghost_matt

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST

    How much of Teen Wolf?

    by psychedelic

    Did you really watch all of it except the last 15min!? Oh Harry, you are evil evil evil. ;)

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 8:23 p.m. CST

    The Rock looks JACKED!!

    by Deceased Fan

    Pain and Gain must have been filmed around the last Wrestlemania. Fucker was HUGE! Judging by the above description. SOLD.

  • Yeah, even in BNAT post.

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST

    No matter how good Mama is...

    by paper

    the trailer sucks ass. Repeating the same word or phrase over and over is never a good idea. Domino Harvey and Colombiana trailers haunt me still. But the event itself sounds like a blast

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Wait...maybe it was a good idea

    by paper

    because I still remember those crappy trailers. Repetition, you win again!

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Fateful Findings?

    by theBigE

    What was that? Why the secrecy?

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Why lie about not showing The Hobbit?

    by AttackingClone

    Harry just flat out lied about it. Would've been much more respectful to dance around it.

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Did they have to cancel BNAT after the Pacific Rim footage?

    by Grasscutter

    No? Then the roof wasn't literally shook off the place. I know you're tired and you've struggled with eye problems your whole life and never got the full effect of 3D before now, but get a grip.

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Weakest. Lineup. Ever.

    by ShiftyEyedDog

    Seriously. I'm not one of those people who want nothing but early screenings of new movies, but you have 3 slots for new films, and THAT'S what you choose? The Hobbit is just a week away, and Bullet to the Head and Mama are barely more than direct-to-video fare. *** The vintage stuff selected isn't all that great either. All in all, a good year to not be in attendance... which is good, because after Harry's family and friends, the regulars he lets in every year, and the celebrity guests, there's barely room anymore for anyone else.

  • You could stream this shit on youtube for free right now. Face it kids. The studios fucking hate Harry and his site. His site isn't anything special anymore as these types of sites are now a dime a dozen. The studios ARE NOT going to send anymore high profile films to this event outside of films from Harry's list of friends, ie Stallone, Del Toro, or Jackson, maybe Rodriguez or Tarantino (whose Django was absent and I wonder why). BNAT is dead kids. Deader than door nail.

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 9:19 p.m. CST

    2 musicals? Not one bit of animation?

    by D.Vader


  • Dec. 9, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST

    I hate to say it...

    by Rustle

    but that does sound like a pretty poor line up.

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 9:37 p.m. CST

    shitty line up

    by Robert Hand

    the hobbit, being released next week, was clearly the big reveal. WAMP WAMP.

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST

    that lineup does sound about 80% terrible

    by Carmen A

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Hey deceased ...

    by DrMorbius

    If you want to read d.vader's review of Django Unchained, I can provide a link.

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 10 p.m. CST

    What a great line-up



  • Dec. 9, 2012, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Not the greatest BNAT Lineup

    by Wilford_Brimleys_Diabetes_Rage

    im Wondering Where was the trailer for Kick Ass 2...i was thinking harry would have the entire film since the first one premired at BNAt The Second Film/Trailer that was missing from BNAT was Baz Lurhmans "The Great Gatsby" no ant-man no thor 2 trailer not even rough footage from iron man 3 methiks Harry's days as Hollywood's golden boy are waay over...hopefully next year will be better

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Sad, because this site could EASILY

    by SK229

    become huge again. It could be THE hub for movie news, social media interaction on movies tv, games,etc., online screening space, event organizer, prime mover in geek culture, etc... all the other sites suck STILL, and they've had a lot of time to catch up. The only difference is they're up to date with their stories and have better writing (especially now), but the TB's in combination with good writing and timely content are what made AICN what it once was. Like wow... wake the fuck up and get this shit sorted NOW. The transformation (new and better writers, a STATEMENT from Quint, Harry, Beaks and others about this new commitment, a new killer TB feature, perhaps a slight redesign, etc.) needs to happen by March, so that it brings the audience back in droves by summer 2013.

  • Well at it this way, you just KNEW it could've very well been a LITTLE off, being the 14th annual fest... so it was the inevitable calm before the storm that must be arduously travelled to in order to arrive at that special day, the FIFTEENTH (15) YEAR ANNIVERSARY!!!

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST

    So TEASER TRAILER'S were the highlight of this year's BNAT?

    by bloody_shit_on_my_dick

    Figures. Del Toro got the new trailer for Pacific Rim "mixed up" with the old comic-con footage and left it behind? Yeah right, this reeks of bullshit. Even Del Toro won't give Harry exclusives any more, and that dumb ass shit film Mama doesn't count. This site is dying. Only the talkbacks can save us now.

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 10:37 p.m. CST


    by DrMorbius

    Nice Triumph impersonation!

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Sure doc.

    by Deceased Fan

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST

    I've seen BUTT-NUMB-A-THON 14 for about a month now.

    by bloody_shit_on_my_dick

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Yeah, we're a long way from BNAT 5.

    by REMcycle

    So this year Harry and Tim downloaded a bunch of trailers, showed THE HOBBIT (not like you had to pull any strings for that...all the Drafthouses probably already have it) and then a bunch of Black-and-Whites...and ROLLERBALL? What, did you pick all that up in the "video" section down at the Wag-A-Bag between the expired Ketchup and the fuel additive? Needless to say, the Golden Age of BNAT is long gone.

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 10:47 p.m. CST

    This must be another fake list, right?

    by Lao_Che_Air_Freight

    Cause this can't be for real..

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 10:50 p.m. CST


    by DrMorbius

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST

    ZUBAS and THE ROCK...

    by KHjLL

    I use to lift weights with "PRECIOUS" Paul Ellering who created zubas or co owner... He also was the manager of ANIMAL and HAWK from THE LEGION OF DOOM... Precious Paul own a bar on the lake i grew up on and named it after DWYANE JOHNSON called THE ROCK although my friend who past away in 7th grades parents owned it years prior called The Rock Tavern... Precious Paul runs in the Ididarod in Alaska every year...He graduated with my dad.

  • It's not funny it's just asshole behavior from nameless cowards. Fucking disgusting.

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Shut up.

    by Deceased Fan

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Thanks doc.

    by Deceased Fan

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 11:01 p.m. CST


    by KHjLL

    Would have been amazingto see on t ebig screen...

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Nice to see studios starting to avoid BNAT like the plague.

    by tailhook

    A release everyone gets 5 days from now(Hobbit), a no-budget horror film nobody is really interested in(Mama), and thats about it. The clip-show PR garbage should have been punted by Harry. If you don't want to bring your movie, then just stay the fuck away. And really, this is more the type of lineup that BNAT should have been showing all along tbh. BNAT was never supposed to be some premiere party for studios.

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 11:08 p.m. CST

    d. vader

    by Robert Hand

    don't quit your day job.

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 11:16 p.m. CST

    No, sorry

    by ThatEndDown

    JACK REACHER Day was a magical day. This, by comparison, could not reach the levels of magicalness that was JACK REACHER Day.

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 11:23 p.m. CST


    by Randy_of_AFTimes

    While I may not have been at BNAT14, I did get to see a gorgeous 35mm print of ROLLERBALL at the New Beverly (Did Jules bring it to you?). Still a great movie.

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 11:39 p.m. CST

    This is proof Jack Reacher wasn't a plant review.

    by SpaghettiWall

    If that piece of shit was allowed to be shown at BNAT, we'd know it was a plant.

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 11:39 p.m. CST

    also lol at showing a fucking sandra bullock trailer

    by SpaghettiWall

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 11:39 p.m. CST

    also lol at showing bullet to the head

    by SpaghettiWall

    sorry sly but that is a turd

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 11:40 p.m. CST

    also lol at not showing django unchained

    by SpaghettiWall

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 11:44 p.m. CST

    antonstark and any other AICN apologists

    by FuckinAmateurMan

    While I agree that sometimes things cross a personal line when berating Harry, take a look in the fucking mirror my friend. What makes him immune to getting called out, but everyone else can be called a human piece of shit by you? What gives you the right, asshole? And if you didn't have your head so far up Harry's ass you'd realize what HE HIMSELF HAS ALREADY STATED- this site is in trouble. Since this is a place I've enjoyed coming to for a VERY long time, that bothers me. I don't like seeing something that I care about getting run into the ground for no reason other than being lazy and unprofessional. I'm not shitting on Harry when I say that, I'm stating a simple fact. There is no drive to get scoops anymore, there is no consistency from Harry and many contributors in quantity or quality of articles, and they're often unintelligible. It isn't cute, it isn't edgy, and it isn't funny. It's lazy and unprofessional. As the site continues to slide, the industry insiders who used to bend over backwards to fuel this site with exclusives are seeing it for the joke it's become. The staff here lost access by doing things the way they did, and this place is now just an echo chamber for someone else's news. The biggest reason that I,and I suspect many others are frustrated, is that it DOESN'T NEED TO BE THIS WAY.

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 11:51 p.m. CST

    kickass write up

    by Muldoon

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 11:54 p.m. CST

    I'm shocked that nobody left after The Hobbit

    by SpaghettiWall

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Oh, to opine the fine 35 mili....

    by The Dum Guy

    Mine? I know it doesn't make any real sense, but it kinda rhymes.

  • Anyway, the movie was not 'organized chaos', just unfunny chaos. The attempts at humor in that movie were downright pathetic. Really wondering how Pain & gain will do in the humor department..

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:40 a.m. CST

    All you BNAT haters...

    by John Brown

    ...just don't get it. You think BNAT is all about what new movies Harry manages to get. You're the same ones who read his fake list and predict JUST ABOUT EVERY DAMN ONE to be an unreleased film. That's not what BNAT is, and its success is not judged by how many new releases Harry secures. BNAT is a celebration of film, and being a birthday party for Harry, a celebration of films he appreciates. It is also a fundraiser for a really cool film program for kids. If you read this list and all you think is, "I can stream these from Netflix...lame," then you don't get the heart of a film festival. It's not about how new or even how rare something is, it's about the shared experience of dozens of film buffs all committed to enjoying themselves and the unbridled joy that is cinema. I feel sorry for you guys. You are so jaded you can't appreciate things for what they are, so you feel an irresistible need to slag and slam something you don't understand in the slightest. So go ahead and feel superior. I hope the feeling gives you some comfort. I, for one, wish Harry a grand birthday tomorrow and congratulate him on what appears to have been another glorious BNAT. And remember folks, there are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:54 a.m. CST

    12 hours of sleep is a lot

    by Bobo_Vision

    That's sleeping half your life. I remember thinking that coach must have some metabolism problems...and the gum he's chewing must be nicotine gum.


  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:41 a.m. CST


    by Brodie Watson

    junk junk junk

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Jack Reacher (Godzilla 1997 Redux)...

    by tailhook

    Or... Harry watched it again after getting flamed off the boards and suddenly realized it did suck ass and wouldn't be the best thing to show at BNAT. I fully expect a second review the weekend of release when everybody is slagging off on it(i.e. the Real Critics), fully reversing his position. No way he saw an advance of the film 3 weeks out if it wasn't under consideration for BNAT.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Reacher looks to have some good reviews from non-Harry critics as well

    by Bass Ackwards

    Rolling Stone and Empire both appear to have dug it.

  • what happened to the movie lineup this year? Django Unchained?...even the Pacific Rim trailer was screwed up and they showed recycled footage from Comic Con(which most BNAT'ers probably attended)

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:38 a.m. CST

    tough week for AICN

    by Jared

    First we get Harry’s “Reacher” review which will live in infamy and then a rather anemic BNAT (at least compared to previous years standards). The week just seemed a microcosm of the drop off in effort/quality many of us have noticed the last couple of years. And I'm not gleeful about it either. I've visited this site almost daily since discovering it back in 1999. Films are a major part of my life and I've enjoyed countless hours here reading reviews, set reports, talkbacks, etc. I utilize other sites and publications for more sophisticated film comment, but always come back to AICN for the unadulterated love and passion for movies that many of us share and express. Harry and Co: use the new year and the absolute gift that Disney/Lucas have given this site with the new Star Wars films to regroup, reload and reboot. This site can be the go-to place for movies again. The format and cast of characters on AICN hasn't been duplicated anywhere else.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:51 a.m. CST

    That seems like a pretty horrible BNAT

    by Mel

    3 new movies, 2 of which suck, and 1 of which opens next week (The Hobbit). Seems like a lot of sitting around for 24 hours for no reason whatsoever.

  • All he seems to live for is stuff like this, when a few remaining filmmakers he has an acquaintance with show up to peddle their wares to a customer base with a little footage or a sneak preview - but he makes sure to paint the event as though it's about himself, so it's still special. A pretty weak line-up from a man who claims to "love movies". The joy of that is gone IMO. This is all just PR for a few studios and filmmakers, and a half hearted at best vintage lineup.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4 a.m. CST

    by liewel

    Agricultural cooperatives, already enriching millions of small-scale farmers, could expand and make an even greater contribution against poverty and hunger, if they were given the right support by governments, civil society and academia. -<a href="">Texas Lending</a>

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Doing BNAT in my own home this friday when hobbit comes out...

    by Brodie Watson

    minus the 2 straight to DVD movies, and a fun trip to the theatre. WORST BNAT EVER!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:30 a.m. CST

    What's with Teen Wolf,...

    by mimadalaer

    I didn't get the joke? Do they show it every year, and you don't get to see the ending? Thanks for the words,...I just moved to Texas, and hope to make it next year!!!! :D -Ducky

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:59 a.m. CST

    Is the lineup really that bad?


    It's never to my taste and is always far too obscure for me. I've hardly ever heard of any of the movies, other than the obvious big releases. I think it looks as random and dull as every other year so I guess I'm not the target audience. At all.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Jack Reacher was shown to me for BNAT


    But ultimately they decided to do something different with the rollout on that film. Also, BNAT is ultimately how I want to spend time with that audience. I could have gone for 8 premieres easy this year. Films I loved, but chose 3. The ability to screen 35 mm Studio prints is something that is going the way of the Dodo. If we don't celebrate the format - then a legacy will be left behind.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST

    The line-up proves the proof we've all been trying to prove.

    by Nintendarth

    The massive, stunning, incredible failures of films like SCOTT PILGRIM, KICK-ASS, SNAKES ON A PLANE,WATCHMEN, COWBOYS VS. ALIENS, etc. etc. have finally sunk in with the producers in Hollywood. They get that a screening at BNAT does no good. Likewise, notice no mention of freebies. Guess that went away, too. Giggle.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8 a.m. CST

    I've been saying AICN is dead for about a month now.

    by Nintendarth

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Is. It? Better THAN. Jack, Reacher!

    by dylan alvord

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST


    by TheMachinist

    Only two of those movies could be considered duds: Snakes On A Plane and Cowboys Vs. Aliens. Also, you've been saying that for a lot longer than a month now. Yes, I get the joke.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST

    You had eight films and chose Mamma? Really?

    by TheLastCleric

    I saw the trailer for MAMA in front of Killing Them Softly (great flick) and it is laughably bad and looks like utter shit. And as much as I love Stallone, Bullet looks weak as well. I’d love to know what the other premiere opportunities were (assuming that statement isn’t a lie) because either Harry made some legitimately poor choices or the remaining films were somehow even worse than what was offered.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Did Hobbit play after Harry said it wouldn't?

    by stvnhthr

    Harry wasn't being coy or funny, he said the Hobbit was not going to play. Did he not know or did he lie? Like it is all good and fun to beat around the bush, but to out and out lie destroys your credibility. Not cool, but maybe Harry was trying to be funny and had no idea how his comments would read? Anyways glad Hobbit sounds enjoyable.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST

    To the fucking haters

    by Candice

    When you go see the Hobbit this weekend, I wonder if Peter Jackson will be at your screening? Oh that's right, he won't. So shut the fuck up you fucking butthurt pieces of shit.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Although some of us bitch and moan - BNAT sounds like fun any year

    by LeonardsBellbottoms

    ..given the ticket price of watching a couple of movies, to see all these amongst such fun company sounds like a laugh, and a pretty sweet deal. Happy Birthday Harry, that said, get your finger out or this week's DVD column will be late!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST


    by Candice

    Thank you, brother. I couldn't have said it better!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST

    C227 - agreed

    by silentbobafett2

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Hey lambcamera, how goes the writing?

    by FuckinAmateurMan

    still using celtx?

  • It's the "kids who always get free stuff" being all exclusive and rubbing it in the faces of everyone else kind of party that I just have no interest in attending. Plus, that Faraci taint doesn't just wash off with soap and water. Ew.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST


    by REMcycle take that one step further, attitudes like that are the reason I gave up on the entire concept of film in Austin, both producing and just going out and enjoying. Most people that squat at a BNAT believe that if you're not also at that BNAT, you're just shit. If you don't have tickets to XYZ movie at whichever Drafthouse 12 days in advance, you're shit. If your phone buzzes while you and your spouse are enjoying a well-deserved night out and it might just be the babysitter texting "your child's asleep" and you actually look down to check it during the movie, then you're shit. ...and who the fuck cares if PJ is at my screening (which will be in my basement watching a pirated russian cam). He's a 1000% less worthy of praise than the parts behind him that actually make the movie and doesn't deserve the facetime.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST

    BNAT isn't a place to have your specific wants catered to. That

    by YourMomsBox3D

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Get Moriarty back.

    by Garbageman33

    He's a really good writer who gives the site more credibility than any of the "writers" they currently employ. And it's not like is going super great, either. I'm sure he'd be open to a triumphant return.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST

    As for this year's lineup.

    by Garbageman33

    I think it just speaks to the site's declining influence. I know Harry likes to think that these people are his friends, but it's pretty telling that now that his site barely has any advance reviews or inside information, suddenly he can't get good movies for his birthday party anymore.

  • The only movie I would be remotely curious about is Mama. The rest I've seen, don't want to see or can just rent. The trailers look like the best part of this BNAT. The Hobbit really does look horrible. Sorry fanboys, I liked Fellowship Of The Rings a lot but nothing has sold me on The Hobbit. The CGI looks rushed, the trailers suck, the reviews are lukewarm and apologetic and this 48 fps experiment sounds like a bust. Harry should have just shown the amazing Dredd in 3-D for all the people who missed it in theaters (MOST of you judging by it's horrific box office).

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    I won't rip it apart but I agree, lineup is shockingly dull.

    by Quake II

    I've been on AICN since around 1999 under the username Doom II (until this advanced site randomly decided my username no longer worked one day). I read every talkback every year after BNAT and this is absolutely the weakest lineup by far. Mostly old movies as filler and some great trailers to make you think you saw some cool stuff. I would gladly sacrifice a seeing couple black & white 35mm prints to see Oblivion. Isn't part of the fun of BNAT being able to see shit your friends can't see for months? We have a local theater with a massive 1950's screen that shows 35mm prints of classsics all the time (The Loft in Tucson). I saw 35mm prints of THX 1138, A Clockwork Orange, Two Lane Blacktop (director Monte Hellman in attendance), Phantasm (Don Coscarelli in attendance), Five Easy Pieces (director Bob Rafelson in attendance), Grease (some cast in attendance), The Big Red One (Robert Carradine & Lee Marvin's wife in attendance) and about 20 more I was able to go to. My point is that BNAT should be WORTH flying across the country to see. I feel bad for those poor bastards spending 1200 eros flying over from Europe to watch some old MGM films and trailers, 35mm or not.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Covjack-Well said. Harry you listening?

    by J-Tall

    It sounds like a blast to me. If someone went just to see what new movies they could see before everyone else then you don't love film, you love gloating to others about how awesome you are. I LOVE watching films with other film lovers, it really doesn't make that much difference what the film is and even if it is great or not. It's about sharing the experience with others. Flim lovers just love watching and talking about film, whatever the film. Harry, I have come to this site almost as long as anyone. I very rarely make comments, I almost never hate. I love your reviews, even when I disagree...I love this site. Please, please care about it again. I find myself still checking it everyday, but I have begun to wonder why. I don't want that to be the case. I don't need a fancy looking website, I don't need it to be fresh and cool. I need this site to love film and love film geeks like it used to. I know you get all kinds of hate because haters always talk the loudest. I should apologize for not getting on here more often to share how much I love it here. But know, that the less vocal majority here still love film, love geeking out, and love the legacy you built here. But even the most supportive of us are starting to slip away. Other people have said it well, start over a new this year. You don't need a huge new budget, just love what this site represents again. Find people that love film the way you do. We are still here, we still love film, and we want desperately to still love this site.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    By the way, Happy Birthday Harry

    by J-Tall

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    This lineup

    by FlyingToupee

    is the way it is because Harry wanted to show 35mm prints, and this is probably what he could get. Nothing malicious, nothing to do with declining influence, etc. People should just chill out.

  • and Harry has never done anything to deserve being shit on any day of the year. as a matter of fact, Harry deserves credit for having kept this website from turning into a polished but hollow entertainment 'news' website. you all bitch, but Harry has never stopped being the Uncle Buck of movie lovers and if you can't appreciate him for that then you are literally just a hater.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Wow if I paid for a flight to and a hotel in Austin...

    by DougMcKenzie

    And all I got was three weak premieres on long-on-the-shelf projects, a selection of TCM regulars, and The Hobbit a week early? I would be super-pissed. Even last year he got some decent sneak premieres like The Grey. I wonder what happened in the last calender year. Have the Hollywood marketing types sat down and realized a poor return on investment with BNAT? I also noticed Nordling's review incorporated a complete BJ for all the new movies except Bullet. Was that an attempt to try to get some better stuff for next year? By giving them some positive quotes to throw on the poster?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    @antonstark: your point being? +Harry reply

    by tailhook

    And Harry, pal.. while i agree this is what a BNAT lineup SHOULD look like, if you had any other choice we know without a shadow of a doubt you would have taken the premieres like a dog thrown a fresh piece of meat. Don't act like you left new movies on the table. You didn't. You took what you could get. If Django Unchained was there? That bitch gets shown. If Jack Reacher didn't pull out? That bitch gets shown. If Movie X releasing in Q1 said.. Harry pal.. can we show our movie? You'd be like.. THAT BITCH GETS SHOWN. So no, don't go pulling wool over our eyes that you left shit on the table just on principle. You didn't.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Easily one of the most boring lineups ever.

    by Randy

    Nothing exciting to read about, beyond maybe a couple of trailer things. Shockingly mediocre.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    This is the first year...

    by DrGogol

    that I feel like I didn't miss anything at all. I mean, I'm going to see The Hobbit later this week. And I've seen all the other films on this list that are older. Since when do they not get hard-to-find and underground films?

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    It's Harry's own fault that everyone is making fun of him.

    by Garbageman33

    He makes BNAT out to be the best day in the entire year for moviegoers. He makes people jump through incredibly elaborate hoops just to be considered for admission. And this is what he delivers? Look at it this way, if you tell all your classmates you're gonna have the party of the century and the only way to get in is by super-secret invitation and then people show up and you have a flat 1/4 barrel and a half-eaten bag of chips, I don't think they're gonna be too happy.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST


    by goatherdingclownhunter

  • I see old 35mm film prints all the time locally with directors and actors in attendance and pay 9.00 a movie with no fanfare. In fact sometimes the crowd is so small you can chat with actors/directors in the lobby for 15 minutes afterwards. BNAT is billed as THE premiere movie screening to be at every year. It's the place to go to see actors and directors promote their upcoming projects as well as get turned on to some crazy cult stuff that Harry loves. This year it seems so bland and mainstream compared to other years. I'm not hating, just stating the obvious. But it's not my party, not my lineup and not my site. If I want to sit and watch retro 35mm movies all night I would try to get in on one of Tarantino's screenings. Those sound like a fucking blast. I like Harry and this site and my blind loyalty has kept me coming back every day for over 10 years. I do agree that there isn't much effort put into scoops or news anymore. Mostly "day of release" reviews and toy ads.

  • Also, Austin and its drafthouse are not the center of the film world, never have been and never will be.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    continues to collapse. Nero fiddling while Rome burns.

    by reflecto

  • pathetic

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    We're not bitching for not getting in.

    by Garbageman33

    Not me, anyway. The only reason I'd have to bitch is if I DID get in and spent all that money for airfare and hotels only to see exactly one movie that could be considered exciting. What we're "bitching" about is Harry constantly pimping his birthday party as the moviegoing event of the year and then woefully under-delivering. It's funny to us.

  • It's not like I don't already disdain the incredibly desperate and forced "Austin film scene" (pfft) or like I haven't done everything possible to stay away from events like that for years. I am not a con/festival person. I see enough jaded, bitchy, entitled assholes about film in my life. It's not like I have a burning urge to watch another 3 hours of Peter Jackson's officially tied LOTR universe a few days in advance, only this time while choking on body odor and the stench of failing human flesh. It's not like I need to watch the Apple Trailers page on a big screen. and It's not like I don't watch and DVR TCM at home. You're right, I'm jus jellus. Go with that. Good luck.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    typo - Peter Jackson's LOTR universe is officially _tired_

    by reflecto

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST

    @anton: btw, the only one bitching here is you.

    by tailhook

    i mean.. seriously... do you need a tampon?

  • worst bnat ever

  • Since fucking when? 2011 - Hugo, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows, The Adventures of Tin-Tin, Cabin in the Woods (4 months prior to release), Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance (2 months prior to its release) The Grey (1 month prior to release), and Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol. 2010 - True Grit, The Fighter, Green Hornet (2 months prior to release), Drive Angry, and Tron: Legacy, of which the entire audience was loaded onto buses and driven to an IMAX theater to see. Not to mention, that BNAT showcased 40 minutes of Cowboys and Aliens as well. 2009: Avatar, Kick-Ass, Lovely Bones, Shutter Island (4 months prior to release). 2008: The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Corraline, Up, Monsters vs. Aliens, I Love You Man, Valkyrie, Sahara, Terminator 4, Watchmen, Che. The sad thing is, I've probably missed lots, and refuse to backtrack any further into BNAT of years past. Stick to the $1.00 PBR pints and playing the B-sides off the Tragic Kingdom album at your local corner bar, douchers. This event has ALWAYS been about the surprises, premieres, and secret screenings. This year was just as lazy and uninspired as the host. Pointing that fact out doesn't make anyone jealous, or a hater. It makes them 100% right.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Teen Wolf (cult classic or not) is a TERRIBLE movie.

    by Quake II

    I would be PISSED to have to sit through a good chunk of that film in a theater. I always felt that Teen Wolf was a HUGE step back for Michael J Fox at the time. It's as cheesy as Zapped without the nudity, sex or drugs to keep you interested. If I flew to Austin, got a hotel room, found transportation to the Drafthouse and then someone sat me down to watch Teen Wolf followed by 5 old movies (4 of them black and white) and then Rollerball (which I've seen too many times growing up), I would hang myself with a Red Vine in the restroom just so I could haunt the theater for the rest of eternity.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    @quake ii

    by ThatEndDown

    Do you have something against black and white films? Are you one of those who upon finding out a film is in black and white says "Oh I can't be bothered"? Otherwise, why bring it up?

  • I also own all the Universal Monster movies on dvd. I just wouldn't want to sit in a theater for hours watching old movies that are readily available at my video store. One or two is fine, but four? And YES, I would be pissed if a large portion of a hip/modern film festival I went to was dedicated to mostly black and white films. Nice try though. I grew up with B&W shows and movies on tv just like Harry. I just watched about 40 episodes of Leave It To Beaver recently thanks to my 10 year old son discovering it on Netflix.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Probably about 50% of the movies I see in the theater every year

    by mr.underwater

    Are "old" movies. Yet, even I have to say this year's line-up is pretty goddamn weak. I mean, there's a big difference between running say The Red Shoes on the big screen (which was done a few years ago) and running Libeled Lady.

  • Look at Nordling's first line of this piece as an example- This will be full of misspellings, improper sentences, and various other mistakes (so what else is new). I'm not knocking him, I know he was just up for 24 straight hours of film. I just take issue with the (what else is new) part. It's celebrating the lack of effort and attention to detail. If that's the attention to detail that studios are going to get, why would they give away their bigger premieres to this event? That would be fine too, but it has always seemed like a much bigger event, and has always delivered. People have come to expect a certain level of OH MY GOD! at this event, which is why many pay a LOT of money to get there. The fact that this didn't deliver as it did in years past is one more symptom of the backsslide that the site has taken, and bridges being burnt by a culture of laziness and a lack of professionalism.

  • I want toys and console games, collectibles etc. I will be playing all the shitty movies harry played from youtube on my home theatre system and I will also play a shitty stallone flick, and an overrated guillermo del toro flick. There will also be a car ride to the local theatre to see the new hobbit movie. I can fit 4 other people in my car. PLEASE SEND GOODIES! WORST BNAT EVER!!!!

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:08 p.m. CST

    I can see why people are complaining but Mama makes sense

    by Adelai Niska

    Del Toro seems to be a legit friend of Harry's so, playing his new production on Harry's birthday makes sense for both of them. But I understand the complaints. 1 BIG new movie (but only a week early) 1 movie that look lame but is made by Harry's friend Del Toro. (I'd have more faith if not for Don't be afraid of the dark letting me down) 1 action movie that seems like it truly belongs in the January dumping ground where it will open. Nothing from Asia (for an event that showed Ong Bak and Oldboy, that's a letdown) No Animation. No weird cult movies. 1/24th of the 24 hour time wasted on Teen Wolf (and to open with it, to use the time where everyone's wide awake, on a piece of shit movie is just barbaric) A "celebration of film" that plays mainstream Hollywood films that any rep cinema could book easily. You could have booked something rare, where only one copy could be found and it may never be projected on film again. Instead you booked Cagney, Jewison, Berkeley. I understand that not every year can be the best, it's just that this lineup is weaker and less diverse (and just less interesting) than other years. Feels like these movies were booked because it was easy rather than because Harry wanted to wow his audience.

  • BNAT 2013 1. Teen Wolf 2. The Hobbit The Desolation of Smaug 3. Battlefield Earth 4. Glitter 5. Gigli 6. Batman and Robin 7. From Justin to Kelly 8. Catwoman (the one with halle berry) 9. some shitty black and white film 10. another shitty black and white film wait... i gotta stop this list is looking better than bnat 2012 already

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Lol @ jabberwookie's first post

    by Bobo_Vision

  • I will also cherry pick any goodies that are sent my way

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:20 p.m. CST

    You just don't get it, Anton

    by Garbageman33

    It's human nature to make fun of someone who promises something incredible and then woefully under-delivers. It's like when Oasis said they were going to be bigger than the Beatles. Did people subsequently make fun of the Gallaghers because we were jealous? No, we made fun of them because they were pompous windbags. Much like the guy who promised the movie event of the year and delivered Rollerball.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Speak up, Anton. We can't hear you from all the way atop your horse....

    by YourMomsBox3D

  • to fuel his hate boner which he furiously strokes every time someone mentions his name in a post. He doesn't really care about Harry or his birthday, he just wants attention. The best way to make him cry is to ignore him. Lets.

  • and that's what he wants to show.

  • I thank my lucky stars i didn't fill out that application this year. I came so close to filling one out because i expected this BNAT to be as good as the last few BNATS... thank god i was too lazy to fill out an application.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST

    @quake ii

    by ThatEndDown

    Exactly what is it that you think I was trying to do that you felt the need to throw "nice try" in your reply? I genuinely did not see why you felt the need to bring up the fact that some of the older films in the fest were black and white and wondered if you were one of those unfortunates who will dismiss a film just because it is black and white. That wouldn't have surprised me with the way people like to bitch on here. Personally, I would not mind at all if some so-called "hip/modern" film festival decided to throw a few older black and white films into their line-up, regardless of whether or not I could rent them from my local video shop. It wouldn't matter to me what they decided to show, so long as I enjoyed the films.

  • Now, I am going to get off of my high horse from which I was telling spoiled brats to stop trying to make a cripple feel like shit for not having a cool enough of a birthday party.

  • I haven't seen a couple of them and would love to see all of them as 35mm studio prints on the big screen. However, that go me thinking...

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Hey Harry, regarding those 35mm studio prints

    by Jaka

    Have you considered doing a more relaxed like an AICN Classic Film Fest? Maybe schedule it from weekend to weekend, Friday through the second following Sunday (ten days). Do something like, two films a night (twenty films). Seems like a real legit way to bring attention to the site, classic films and 35mm studio prints on the big screen. Possibly have some conversations or Q&A's afterwards.

  • ...just leave? Don't you understand that nobody cares what you think? Haven't you noticed that nearly everyone ignores you, and that those who do respond are always the same group of people? Seriously, if you don't like food, you don't eat it. If you don't like a TV show, you don't watch it. If you don't like getting fucked in the ass, you don't get fucked in the ass. So if you don't like this site, why do you keep coming here?

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 1:20 a.m. CST

    antonstark, your posts are hilarious

    by James

    *stop trying to make a cripple feel like shit* aahahhahahaha!

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 1:20 a.m. CST

    That's just it jaka...

    by FuckinAmateurMan

    Speaking for myself, I do like it here. The people (not just users but contributors) who are unhappy with the direction of the site aren't some pissy minority. There are things that are significantly wrong here, and they're ALL fixable. Its worth calling out not to be an ass, but because I'm still hoping in vain that someone is actually going to recognize the issues and get serious about keeping this place viable.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 1:22 a.m. CST

    antonstark, I am a homeless orphan vet

    by James

    stop defending Harry's birthday party and give me shoes and tickets to the Hobbit.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 1:25 a.m. CST

    to hell with that, I like this site just the way it is

    by James

    don't fix a goddamn thing

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 1:29 a.m. CST

    A few ideas...

    by FuckinAmateurMan

    Report on Ep 7 when you run the biggest geek site in the world when it happens, not a week after your Halloween party. Put together a coherent review that makes the suits think you take your job seriously. It's no secret this place has been spoonfed exclusives for years by the studios, might as well keep them happy so you have something to report. Can't close that pandoras box now, so you might as well play ball. Check your sources so you don't have to eat crow when a godawful fan script lands at your door. If you don't check sources, humility goes a long way when you screw up. Don't delete your contributors articles. If you do, don't throw them under the bus after the fact. If you're going to charge for a content app, put content up. Consistently. Don't over promise and under deliver on special events. If BNAT is gonna be chill this year showing mostly oldies, great. But advertise it as such. This should get you going.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 1:36 a.m. CST

    I want Harry to keep doing stupid shit.

    by James

    and after he does stupid shit, I want him to fart, smell his finger, and go to bed.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Nordling Says BNAT 14 Was A Magical Day!

    by James

    Nordling had such a magical day at the Butt Numb a Thon!

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 2:19 a.m. CST


    by Jaka

    I'm not sure I have ever specifically read any of your posts regarding the subject at hand, and for the sake of just replying to the words you took the time to write to me directly, I'm not going to do so now, either. <p> What I will say to you regarding those words is this; if that's how you've written your complaints in the past, then you aren't the one I was directing my comment towards. My comment was meant for those who use the talkbacks as their own knuckle dragging, turd throwing soapbox of anger and hate. Some people are clearly looking to gain some sort of acknowledgment, recognition, or to feel the adoration of the herd. It's like they're trying to create an angry mob about something that, honestly, just doesn't matter. <p> Further, whether anybody realizes it or not, it's taken a tremendous amount of effort to keep this site up and running for as long as it's been around. Is it perfect? No. Has it changed? Yes. But truth be told, it's not likely to ever again be the thing people want it to be. Even if Harry makes some of the tech changes, it's not going to magically change the content of the site. <p> In regards to the complaints you list specifically, you sound like a petulant child who is complaining about things they don't understand or didn't get to participate in. For the most part, you're making an awful lot of assumptions there. And it reads way to personal for it to just be about a silly entertainment website, of which there are not about 100,000 others that you could easily hang out at instead. <p> Again, the site isn't perfect, but it's not OUR site. If people care so much, take the time to organize, do a Kickstarter campaign and start your own website. Better yet, just do it yourself, out of your own pocket, with your own time and energy. Find out what it actually takes to do what Harry and the contributors to AICN do. Find out what it costs and how much time it takes. But we all know that will never happen, because it's easier to complain and hate. <p> And THAT is my issue. It's the people who continually take the time to spew bile all over the talkbacks as if it's some right that they've earned. The shit people say about Harry, his contributors and this site, if said in the real world to another person's face, would swiftly result in a) the ending of friendships, or b) a right cross to the face. Nobody has the right to say the shit they say in their complaints. Being on the internet doesn't make it OK. Being anonymous doesn't make it OK. Being here for ANY length of time doesn't make it OK. It's fucking free! If you don't like it, just leave. Because, as I've said more than once recently, nothing Harry has done or is doing is ruining this site as quickly as the constant hateful comments in these talkbacks.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 2:38 a.m. CST

    harry's talkback comment says...

    by dirk123

    if we don't celebrate the format then a legacy will be left behind.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 2:39 a.m. CST

    but a legacy is something you leave behind.

    by dirk123

    By its very definition

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 2:49 a.m. CST

    I don't understand why people complain about the site

    by Bass Ackwards

    Not because I think the site is great, I don't, I think its got some terrible writing, a lot of poorly formed thoughts and opinions, absolutely zero news-a-bility (yea I'm making up that word), etc. But, maybe 5, 6 years ago, that kind of stuff would have mattered. Today, why bother complaining, just go to one of the MANY other sites that does this stuff right, AV Club has great writers (editors even!), features that are actually updated regularly (I actually cringe when I see AICN articles trying to ape the features AV Club is doing with writers who don't have the intelligence or writing skills of the guys at AV), in depth coverage, interviews, a reader friendly layout, a functional talkback, a podcast with intelligent commentary, social integration, etc. You've also got slashfilm and hitfix, these are sites that are just off the top of my head, and I'm not even someone who spends a ton of time with this kind of stuff, I'm sure if I really looked I'd find bunches of others. The point is, I don't see why complain about what AICN is, the stuff you WANT it to be is out there. AICN has always been a half-assed movie blog written by movie fans, who's articles are usually little more then excuses to prop up a talkback about something. After a decade of the same thing, I think it ought to be clear the kind of site AICN is and is always going to be, instead of complaining about what you wished it was, find something you like. The internet is a big place, you're gonna go crazy if you just sit around barking in this little corner.

  • He always promised they would be "imminent" and that he would have "news very soon" but there is never any news. He does not engage with his readership because he does not feel he owes them anything. But in fact he does. He knows it. In reality the TBs are the only reason I come here. Not him. Not his supposedly charmed but very small life he is desperate to make seem like a dream. And I know that's the case for most people today. He treats the visitors to his site with cheery, absentee contempt. In his mind, you see, it's always a great day to be Harry with his movies, his aging action figures and collectibles he can show you to prove how much cooler a geek he is than you (gee, what a shame) as opposed to handing them off to young children who might actually get real enjoyment out of them (see the infamous Toy Story 3 meltdown, a frightful glimpse into his psyche), and his illusory "friendships" with big names who he's sure really, really like him and might give him more presents soon. All of which will be built up in his mind to show himself and everyone else just how much cooler and popular he is than everyone else and how his life really is very full. That's what BNAT is about. That's what his little webshow was about, especially when he brought guests on to treat them like shit and sniff at their own achievements. Those are the only things that matter to him, the things that venerate him. It's a celebration of Harry and the forced good cheer he pushes at everything. It's always a good day. It's always fun and magical. And if you have a complaint or if the site is failing or the writers are gone or the work isn't being done or the "imminent site updates" you started promising 5 or 6 years ago with regular updates to the readers about how it was going have not materialized? Harry does not. want. to hear it. Because that might make it a bad day. The site is not important to him. I wish he'd just admit it instead of swanning around like a giant Marie Antoinette, pretending there's no bad news. He doesn't care. He hasn't cared for years. He just wants to keep getting free stuff and feel special. As long as he gets those annual injections of self-import, the site can stay in the shitter. Jaka: Explain to me exactly why Harry has never bothered to update this site, or even update the readers as promised on that work in these last few years, and how that can be justified. Otherwise, we have nothing to talk about.

  • Was he disappointed after the fortune he spent to fly to Austin and stay in a hotel there? In a way, anyone who chooses to go to a BNAT kind of deserves what you get. I'm the type of person who waits a few weeks after a movie is released before going to see it so that I don't have to sit elbow to elbow with fat guys with eating disorders. I've only been to one AICN screening, the District 9 screening in New York a few years back, and it was a distinctly different crowd than I'm used to. It was at an AMC in Times Square, and I remember this guy who sat next to me brought a huge F'n tray of food with him. Chicken fingers, fries, and some other shit, and he's chowing down like he's at a picnic. I was like "what the fuck?!!!" Sitting in a theater full of those guys for 24 hours is my idea of torture.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Like to hear from Elijah Wood, too.

    by SmokeFilledTavern

    Fuck, I never imagined it would have been THIS BAD. Haha. Even if you live in Austin and paid to see this, you were screwed.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Next year should just be Teen Wolf in a loop.

    by SmokeFilledTavern

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST

    I'm mailing a bag of shit to Harry with an application for next year.

    by SmokeFilledTavern

    It's already on its way. I can give you the tracking number. Seriously.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 8:30 a.m. CST

    If Jackson attended a sceening -

    by Nintendarth

    well, first off I wouldn't be there since I'm NOT gonna see HOBBIT. But if he did, I'd love it. I could call him out on his shoddy work.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 8:30 a.m. CST

    So glad I didn't get in now...

    by shaneo632

    Was pretty happy to fly out there for the experience but that line-up would've been a major buzz kill.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 8:34 a.m. CST


    by Nintendarth

    My biggest concern with going to AICN would be that I wouldn't be able to help myself and would comment factually on everyone there and get kicked out. Saying things like oh my god, you're the most disgusting person I've ever met, or geezUSssz ever take a shower, or wow, you must REALLY need to carboload to stay such a hateful geek, etc. I wouldn't be able to resist, would get kicked out for being -insensitive- and then wouldn't be invited back ever. So, I don't even bother to try to -audition- as it were. This year, the paltry offerings and no promise of pwezents strongly suggest the media industry has written off BNAT as totally worthless. I've called it again and again - Harry's DVD picks have shown a STEEP decline in the number of discs he actually receives free (almost none any more). The studios don't invite AICN for set visits any more (outside of -friends- of the site on an individual basis). No more screenings. No more anything for the site.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 8:37 a.m. CST


    by TheMachinist

    Sad to say it never went anywhere. I tried writing one, but it was too short, and too boring. I do have this new thing that a friend reminded me of, though, so I might try and write something on it.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 9 a.m. CST


    by TheMachinist

    Exactly how is Jackson's work "shoddy"? It's a little overrated, sure, but that doesn't mean it's not worthy of praise. Speaking mainly about the LOTR trilogy, the action sequences are fan-fucking-tastic, and the art direction's top notch. Sure they tend to go over a little long, but that's part of the fun.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Not Shoddy? Um.

    by Nintendarth

    Okay, how long do you have? The constant CGI? The plastic hobbit faces with no articulation in THE HOBBIT? The wobble-walk RingWraith on fire in FELLOWSHIP during the ruins scene? Want more?

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 9:35 a.m. CST

    lambcamera- keep at it!

    by FuckinAmateurMan

    I think I recommended this before, but check out Blake Snyder's Save the Cat. It's a pretty breezy read, humorous, and encouraging. It's helped me out immensely with structural and pacing issues.

  • Sorry to spoil the ending.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST


    by FuckinAmateurMan

    You had me for awhile, but lost me at the petulent child comparison. I agree that my examples were reductionist, but the kicker is that it doesn't matter. Whatever the reason behind the issues plaguing the site, the industry and the readers only see the issues I pointed out. They don't care that running a site is hard, or about the road bumps along the way. They expect consistency and some degree of professionalism or they'll leave, as they are now. If things are tough in your business, have a cookie, put on your big boy pants, wipe away the tears and man the fuck up. And to the people still blindly worshipping this site, suggesting those who have issues go elsewhere- you're shooting yourselves in the foot. This place is on the brink of collapse, and you're trying to get people to leave?! Are you nuts? And on that note, I do go elsewhere. More now than ever before, and that's the problem with this place. Many of us do now. The ONLY thing I'm trying to say is that it doesn't have to be like that. Look, I'm not going to spit out my resume, but I have enough professional experience and successes that I'm not talking out of my ass. I've written Harry and offered assistance. No reply. Here's one tip though that's universal- if your business is suffering, your customers will always know what the issue is, and usually have better ideas of how to fix it than you do as a business owner. The reason is that you always see your creation through rose tinted glasses, while they will tell you what product they're looking for. A little humility goes a long way. It has for me. If Harry wanted to get this place back on track, he would pay attention and notice the trends of what people are asking for. I'm not talking about the sociopathic attention grabbers, but there are sincere people around here who have great ideas. I'm not even including myself in that assessment. That guy who took the time to create an app for the dvd column for example is great. It's just that the effort that the column gets made it a fruitless endeavor. Off to my room now, I've been sent there for throwing a hissy fit.

  • FACT!

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST


    by DougMcKenzie

    What you don't understand, is some of us aren't just bitching to give Harry a hard time. Some of us are genuinely concerned about Harry's health and mental state right now. He's been wheel-chair bound and on HEAVY painkillers going on several years now. I dealt with painkiller addiction within my own family (ex-wife), and it robs people of all motiviation and focus. His incoherent, at times, reviews seem to be written while he is buzzed out. Also, what people are taking as a half-assed approach to BNAT is just compounding with a scatter shot dvd column, and appearance of overwriting negative reviews by site contributors with studio blowjobs, is starting to piss them off. Like some have said, maybe Harry should turn over the day-day running of this site to someone in better physical and mental condition.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Wow. What a horrible lineup of films

    by CountOrlok

    This has to have been the worst BNAT in history. Trailer. Trailer. Trailer. Footage. Footage. Movie that will be out in a few days. Movie that will be out in a few days. Old timey crap. More old timey crap. And Rollerball. Man. I feel bad for the poor saps that flew in for this one.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Don't feel sorry for me...

    by Cameron Harrison

    It was my first BNAT, I flew in from the NorthWest, and I loved it! It's not so much the line up, though Harry did a great job of it (seriously, I'm not a huge musical fan, but I'm not sorry I saw either of these), it's the group you watch it with. Even films you wouldn't normally love, you get swept up by every who does love them and you end up appreciating them all the more. I'll be applying again next year, whether there's more premieres, or it's all vintage. Thanks Harry!

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST

    I managed to get a grab bag from BNAT 14....

    by Quake II

    It contained 1 pair of Hobbit Feet slippers "My other car is a Tardis" bumper sticker 10.00 gift card to Cinnabon 50.00 Lane Bryant gift card Hobbit action figure (assorted) Teen Wolf on VHS (used rental copy) One box of Frankenberry cereal Hellboy fake fist with crunching sounds Gene Kelly 8x10 with printed "signature" Harry Knowles replica beard (no mustache) William Shatner autobiography (used library copy) NES Back To The Future game cartridge (used old stock) GI Joe coloring book with crayons Bullet To The Head shot glass Iron Man cologne King Size Snickers bar Rollerball replica jersey with BNAT 14 printed on the back 10 random frames of 35mm film "I'm with stupid" t-shirt with the finger pointing up

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    This marketing does not work (any more)

    by VibroCount

    Most of Harry's old films are favorites of mine, too. And seeing them on a big screen from 35 mm prints... that would be nice. But Comic Con is more nostalgia than premieres these days, and BNAT and AICN have zero influence on how much money these new films make. Harry knows deep down that he is no longer cool. He is more comic book guy than the Comic Book Guy, and almost as relevant as the Simpsons has been for the past five years. AICN's time came... and went. Geekdom returns to the outcast state it once was. If you invested in this culture, I hope you diversified, because ain't nobody buying still packaged Star Wars figures for half what they were paying a decade ago. I just want to know what cool old films (and a few cool new ones) are out on DVD and Blu-ray this week. Can anyone point me to a reliable site that does that? Thank you.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Did they really screen 3/4 of Teen Wolf?

    by jim

    I know it's an ongoing joke but I think I'd be pretty pissed if over an hour was taken up for the predictable Teen Wolf gag. Two minutes into Teen Wolf the entire audience is expecting it to turn off any second. And then it goes on for another hour or so? That's over an hour of the audience just sitting around waiting; waiting for the punch-line to finally kick in so they can get on with the actual program. 60+ minutes dedicated to Teen Wolf - that's not a joke, that's filler. Putting a used VHS copy in the grab bag? Now that's funny!

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Ouchmouch please be honest with us... youÈÈÈÈ:È.É

    by Brodie Watson

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Ouchmouch please be honest with us... you did not enjoy bnat

    by Brodie Watson

    Dont worry harry is far away from you. You are safe at home now. He cant hurt you. Just tell us how you really feel about that piss poor lineup. Tell us how you went hoping for Ironman 3, or Oblivion, or a rough cut of Man of Steel, or Django Unchained, or Zero Dark Twenty but all you got was youtube videos and trailers you can watch on

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 3:30 p.m. CST


    by Cameron Harrison

    I'm being totally honest. I would have preferred one or two more premieres, personally. And not a double dose of musicals. But it was just as much about the experience of watching the movies as what exact movies played. Watching Teen Wolf (well, most of Teen Wolf) with that audience was wonderful, even though I only had a partial knowledge of the inside joke. Seeing The Hobbit, hearing the audience applaud Elijah Wood, sitting 7 feet away from my favorite director...all experiences I couldn't have anywhere else (outside the premiere I suppose). As for "You Tube" videos, since when are classic 35mm cinematic gems "You Tube" videos. I thought those were cute cats and Gangnam Style parodies. Harry makes it quite clear that vintage movies are just as much a part of BNAT as new ones, so how could anyone be disappointed when he delivers on what he promises.

  • All this bullshit you have hidden behind for years about the site's financial issues, coding problems, your health and everything else no longer washes. The failure of this year's BNAT is a very clear testimony as to how low even the studios you suck up to now view this site. Notwithstanding all the genuine reasons for the site falling into decline, it could have been turned around. All it needed was for you to stop acting like a fucking celebrity and actually do some proper work instead of indulging your ego, to delegate some of the tasks that your miniscule talent wasn't capable of and to let someone else become Editor in Chief. AICN is now official dead, killed by the creator. Wll done, Harry. Well done. Clap clap clap.

  • from reading these articles every year is that, for several years now, playing part of Teen Wolf has been an ongoing joke. They start to play the movie but something "goes wrong" so they move on to the next movie. Kind of like the Jimmy Kimmel bit about running out of time and bumping Matt Damon. It's all planned and the audience expects not to see the entire movie. Although, as I said, running it that long goes beyond being a gag; sounds more like, to make the full 24 hours, they needed to kill some time with an hour's worth of filler.

  • He's been avoiding the issue for about a month now.

  • Come on, you can tell us.

  • I bet they were gasping, all right! Maybe not for the reasons you hoped!

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Did the BNAT14 audience laugh riotously when the fat dwarf belched?

    by Nintendarth

    And did they laugh again when it happened in THE HOBBIT instead of at the Q&A panel?

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST

    People who say "haters" are the biggest dipshits on earth.

    by Banned-ki-moon

    Like AntonStark. Dumbass name by the way. Get your nose, mouth, fingers and whatever other body parts out of Harry's ass. Harry does deserve shit, because he treats his readership like shit. He needs NA because his obvious painpill dependence is causing him to become even more incoherent and useless.

  • THE RULES: First of all, have someone take a picture of you being arrested. It doesn't matter what the crime is or the sentence, just get a picture of yourself being handcuffed by officers or tackled (getting shot with a taser gets you bumped up on the list!). Draw a comic book, full size, fully illustrated in color. It must be about an alien cop in space and a minimum of 23 pages. Take a picture of yourself in front of the Statue Of Liberty posing with a New York S.W.A.T. team. No photoshop entries or cosplay will be accepted! After all this your application will be CONSIDERED. MOVIES: Teen Wolf Teen Wolf II Cops And Robbersons Captain America: Winter Soldier (trailer) The Hobbit 2 (soundtrack excerpts) A Trip To The Moon Avengers 2 (behind the scenes slide show) Rollerboogie A Serbian Film II S.W.A.T. Red Dawn (2012) Expendables 3 (teaser) Teen Wolf

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST

    antonstark is Peter Jackson. FACT!!!!!!!

    by Quake II

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Old School Schwarzenegger Huge

    by Dan Anthony

    For Wahlberg to be that... he'd have to put on about six inches in height.

  • I believe, quite firmly, in the power of free speech, and over the years it's become very clear that some of the people in the talkbacks here are extremely intelligent, educated folk. <p> My issue is with the unrepentant viciousness that pure hate filled vitriol is spewed upon Harry, AICN, and even it's various contributors. Having been here for well over a decade I can tell you with complete certainty that it has NOT always been this way. <p> No, the anger in the talkbacks (for the most part) used to be reserved for us, for each other. And it was usually related to movie/entertainment preferences, or a like or dislike or a particular current movie. Some of those fights went on for hundreds of posts, often traveling from one talkback to another, occasionally over a long period of time. But they were us, talking shit to each other. <p> Now, in nearly EVERY talkback (it's really pretty close to ALL of them, but the comic book talkbacks don't seem to have the same issue - they feel more like the old AICN) you have people saying some of the nastiest, most vile shit to Harry, a man who has done absolutely NOTHING to them other than supply them with a free website for the last 15 plus years. <p> If you're concerned about Harry, send him an email with kind, encouraging words (his email address is pretty damn easy to find). Because, really, would you want somebody, a stranger no less, to repeatedly talk about you and your problems in public? Further, if you were FORCED to see those comments on a DAILY basis, week after week, month after month, year after year, would you continually respond, or ignore them? The answer to that one is pretty clear. <p> If you have problem with the website, make suggestions, ask questions, whatever. Harry occasionally responds to them. But in the end, it's still his site, and it's supplied to us for free. How much do you REALLY care? Would you send cash to keep it alive or make improvements? Or are you like seemingly everyone else on the internet who believes an anonymous internet connection allows you the right to say whatever you want without recourse? <p> Look, I'm not perfect, I've blown up here more than once. I will sometimes rip into somebody pretty hard if I think they deserve it. The issue, once again, is what has Harry, AICN or anyone else associated with it done to deserve your wrath? THAT'S what I mean when I say people sound like petulant children, sitting there pouting, slamming their toys around because they didn't get exactly what they wanted handed to them without question. It's sad and ugly to watch. <p> Ya know, how many of you have even been around here long enough to remember Father Geek? He used to post all the time in the talkbacks and his voice added something to the site. He left, a few years back now, because he was no longer interested in the foul stench that was spreading through the talkbacks. That's Harry's father. His own father could no longer stand seeing the nasty things that are said here. Yet here's Harry, trudging on, still supplying us with this FREE place to discuss film, television, comics and entertainment in general. <p> Once again, has the site changed? Yes. But so has the internet, and more specifically, so has the entertainment industry. So I will once again return to my main point, my main question. If you don't like it, why stay? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome... ya know? <p> Lastly, I would challenge the complainers to do some searching and find a site that supplies you what you're looking for. If you find it, cool, STAY THERE! If you don't find it, then that means it doesn't exist, so there's no need for your constant, inane bullshit here, either.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST

    fuckinamateurman - Regarding one point specifically

    by Jaka

    If you've written Harry and offered assistance that he has not accepted I would say, A) maybe it was the way you said it, B) he's obviously not interested. Which still leaves me sitting here wondering why you would CONTINUE to COMPLAIN.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST

    reflecto - He doesn't own anybody anything..

    by Jaka

    ...the site is free! And you are factually incorrect, because he updated readers in the last few weeks in one of the DVD columns, I believe. Regardless, I don't care about any of that. This site is free. It promises NOTHING other than entertainment news and a place to discuss it. As far as I can tell, that's still here. So what I see from the complaints is a bunch of people making assumptions and complaining like spoiled brats because somebody gave them the wrong kind of FREE candy. It just makes no sense to me. But whatever, like I said, complain away if that's what frosts your pickle. My issues are not with the complaints, they're with the way people go about delivering them.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 9:31 p.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    Chalk it up to people sick of Harry not giving a shit about us or the site. That's why there's so much vitriol here. People want this site to be GOOD.

  • Harry repeatedly makes himself the focus of his writing and obfuscates when it comes to anything past fanboy ejaculation.

  • He said he would update us continually on his work to fix the site 6 years ago - nothing happened. When we asked for clarification - nothing happened. When he lied about how he saw Drive, having pirated it - nothing happened Even when he lied about silly, meaningless shit like his getting the name wrong of the actor in Alien, he can never admit to his consumers a mistake. He's psychologically incapable of it. That's why "Boiler" was in his self-congratulatory webseries. That is his view of his audience. He wants them to always praise him, click his Amazon links, watch and promote his webseries, send him "pwesents," but if anyone dares raise an objection to his practices here or asks him to follow through on his promises, then they're just "mean ol' Boiler" who doesn't get the magical glee of being Harry with movies yaaayyy!! Do you not get how fucked that is? He chided his consumer base for not "getting off their ass and helping" by making him an overpriced app for his intermittent, half-assed DVD columns, even though he has never deigned to respond to any of his own promises of site overhaul or renewed management for YEARS. At one point did ANY of this become OUR problem? It's HARRY'S problem. This is his site, they're his fuck-ups, they're his choices, his mistakes, and if he never owns them, no one else is going to. And you're delusional and enabling if you expect anyone else to do it for him. This is a grown fucking man, no matter what he wants to believe or pretend. Own UP. If he ONCE admitted "I fucked up" on something - ONCE - and owned it, accepted it and let it stand - if he ONCE said "I didn't update this site, I didn't tell you guys I couldn't, I broke my promise, I fucked up, I'm sorry" - he would gain SO much goodwill back from TBers. If he can't even do that - if he insists on continuing to try and force the desperate illusion of "Harry's Magical Childlike Wonderland vs. Mean Old Boilers" - then why the fuck should I or anyone else give him the slightest bit of assistance? Answer that.

  • You're assuming people haven't changed their browsing and reading habits..I for one have, i go elsewhere and now only check in here occasionally Think of it more as a sliding scale than a channel. I agree, however, with what you say about personal abuse of Harry, it's utterly unwarranted. It's directed AT him though because he makes himself the focus of the movie experience and has a poor history of actually coming across as the nice generous guy 'like us all'. Anyhow, i know which way the scale is sliding and once i bother to find a better DVD/Blu column i doubt i'll be here much

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST


    by FuckinAmateurMan

    I think we're on the same page regarding most things that we're talking about. My email to Harry was intentionally vague. I'm not one to be abrasive or obnoxious just to get a rise, and that includes the emai i sent. It was simply a , 'hey I have a few ideas if you'd ever like to discuss them' and that was that. I certainly don't have all the answers, and I don't want to continue to complain about the issues. It's not my site, and not my responsibility. I did and still do think it's important though to speak up if something you care about is broken, and even more so if you can contribute to a constructive dialogue on how to fix it. I've said all there is for me to say about it, so that's that.

  • But he still expects us to make him apps and give him presents?

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Wobbly-Walking Ringwraiths

    by Nintendarth

    I tried like hell to find the clip on youtube, it's the part where they're in the ruins right after leaving the -Prancing Pony- (*facepalm* - anyone who kept reading after a place was named the -Prancing Pony-, well, there's a reason they got beat up at grade school) and are in the ruins and someone sets a RingWraith on fire. The incredibly shoddy -special effect- consists of a guy with a prosthetic head that's set on fire while he runs around, except they don't center it right and so the head wobbles around as the wraith walks here and there with its head on fire. It's really quite pathetic. Contrast it with the smooth, quiet and ferociously deadly movements of the Dementors in HARRY POTTER 3 for instance and, yes, shoddy.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Nintendarth- I actually liked how that looked. It was bizarre.

    by FuckinAmateurMan

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 5:51 a.m. CST

    Harry should charge people for the use of this site.

    by James

    You're right, Jaka. Harry should start charging a fee for the pleasure of reading his brilliant reviews. He's providing the opportunity to join him in his geeky, giggle-titty world! Why should he not be compensated? I agree with you! For about a month now!

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 8:07 a.m. CST


    by Nintendarth

    I had to read your name twice to figure it out, btw. I thought it was -Fuckin' A, mate - ur man!- And I didn't get it it. It WAS bizarre, and if that had been the tone of the entire movie - a lot of weird, bizarre imagery - I would've been less concerned. But everyone talked about how pristine the effects were and how bold and visionary it was, so to see something so Saturday Morning kid show shoddy was a shock that kicked me out of the movie and I never came back into it. I've been refusing to see THE HOBBIT because of it for about a month now.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 8:46 a.m. CST

    I don't remember if that was the only stupid mistake they made...

    by TheMachinist

    But I do remember it, and it does stick out a little. Still, this is 2001, and it's the first movie in a trilogy of fantastic adventure films.If we have to deal with a simple wibbly-wobbly burning head effect to get it, so be it.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    The head doesn't wobble, Nintendarth

    by D.Vader

    That's the actor moving his head from side to side.

  • He says its not like the old days! If we want to read news and reviews, we should send them to him. Liar. People send news and reviews all the time and the stories never get posted. I myself sent everyone at AICN a DJANGO UNCHAINED review bc I saw it last week. Does it go up? No. I figure because of an embargo. But today? Terry Malloy's got a review up. Yeah, so screw you, Harry. The site isn't bad bc of a lack of input from the readers who happen upon cool news. The site is bad because of you.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    d. vader - the head is ON FIRE

    by Nintendarth

    And it's clearly not a human actor inside that hood when its rickety journey appears onscreen. Anyone got a YouTube link? I tried like 8 different descriptions to get that scene. No luck.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    At your service, Nintendarth

    by Monky

    You're talking about the fight on Weathertop, yes? Is this it? esh, I haven't been here for awhile, I hope this doesn't stretch out the TB

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the link Monkey. nintendarth, it happens between 3:28 and 3:30.

    by FuckinAmateurMan

    It's literally 2 seconds of an over 9 hour trilogy. I'm not saying it's the best effect ever when looked at by itself, but in the context of the scene it barely registers. Overall I think most of the practical effects are excellent, and the cgi still holds up for the most part. If you're ever so inclined, you should watch the weta workshop features on the special edition disc. Some of the most impressive practical shots are the ones that you don 't even realize are there.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Don't mention it, Fuckinamateurman

    by Monky

    Nintendarth, of all the scenes you could have picked for shoddiness that one is barely a blip, as fuckin points out. One that I would pick would be one where Gimli has a closeup and the nose prosthetic looks like shit. Maybe you can find that one for me.

  • It looks like an actor shaking his head from side to side. Definitely "not shoddy". Definitely not "pathetic". I think you're reaching in this instance. Its 2 seconds out of 9 hours.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST

    I often wonder how any classic movie would hold up under today's scrutiny.

    by FuckinAmateurMan

    With Tb's, freeze frame capability on Youtube, etc. I can just imagine people complaining about the reflecting cobra in Raiders of the Lost Ark, the see through matte composites in Empire Strikes Back, or the stop motion work in the holo-chess game in the original star wars. Sometimes you just have to let the little things go, and appreciate the film as a whole nintendarth.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    yes, a few seconds but more glaring

    by Monky

    Did it ruin the movie for me? No. Would a classic movie hold up under today's scrutiny? Not a chance. The world has grown dark with pessimism. I'm looking forward to seeing The Hobbit to escape for a little bit.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 3:30 p.m. CST

    same here

    by FuckinAmateurMan

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST

    2hrs 50min

    by Monky

    I'm going to have to bring an ass cushion or my brain will get numb.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 3:49 p.m. CST

    The ringwraith had a wobbly head!

    by James

    Ecch. Shaddap, you. I don't see anyone else bitching about the ringwraith's wobbly head. I think you got a wobbly head. Wobble, wobble.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    I got a wobbly head for ya

    by James

    right here

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Monkey - that is, indeed, the clip I was referencing!

    by Nintendarth

    And the timestamp listed in the later message is indeed accurate. And yes, it's a dummy in the first shot waving mechanical arms in a very mechanical way, but then the walking-away shot is an actor. WETA does the MARY POPPINS trick of using different methods for different angles to try to trick the brain and eye. And it wasn't that I just picked that clip. The scene in the clip was the moment when I was thrown completely out of the ENTIRE movie by being totally made aware of its artifice. I was congenial to the film as it opened, less so when I saw the -foot-shoes- that were too big and lumpy but also had no skin-movement on them. Then when the smoking scene came in I nudged my friend and said very sarcastically -Oh, they call it WEED, because weed, you see, is funny, and cool. 4:20 and everything. Weeeeeeed.- That pulled me out of the film quite a bit, the pot line thrown in for the audience of pot heads who also are, not curiously, the same audience for LOTR in a lot of ways. Then, after that, the wobble-arm mannequin moving rhythmically like a puppet in a Terry Gilliam circus with its head bobbing back and forth was the moment when I fell totally out of the film and I didn't come back into the film the rest of the time, and as it ended I turned to my friend and said -I don't think we need to go to any of the others, do you?- and my friend said -Unless we're looking for really long torture, no.-

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Compare the ringwraith's movements there with this:

    by Nintendarth Yes, it's CGI, but REALLY good CGI. And there's actually a solidity to the creature, despite it being MORE etherial than a ring wraith - a smoothness to its movements, a consistency and a WEIGHT to it even as it's floating - it's convincingly there, in-shot. The puppet cat, however, is atrocious and should not have been used.

  • Good try, but your complaints are full of it.

  • I have a Django boner.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST

    geeky, giggle-titty world!

    by Deceased Fan

    Thanks armisslake. I never thought four words could bring me such joy.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Not spoilerish at all yourmomsbox

    by D.Vader

    BTW, why the "3D"? Did you get banned? Anyway, you can find the review at . Hope you enjoy!

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST

    nice review vader. interesting site too, I've never been there

    by FuckinAmateurMan

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Thanks, fuckinamateurman

    by D.Vader

    Made by a bunch of Professionals who grew sick of Harry and AICN, so they left to start their own talkbacks. Good people there, I'm grateful they chose to publish my review.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 11:57 p.m. CST

    d. vader

    by Nintendarth

    I don't care if it's called weed in the books. It's a disposable moment; nevertheless, it's sold in the movie with a huge moment to let the audience go WOOOOO WEEEEEEED! YEAH, PUFF that GIZZLE-WIZZ GANDALF the WIZAWIZZ!

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 5:11 a.m. CST

    For the LAST BNAT, it's a pretty horrible lineup of films

    by Ricardo

    Glad they're ending this

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST


    by TheMachinist

    Considering your reputation, I'm not surprised.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    But the second post makes a point.

    by TheMachinist

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Last BNAT?

    by MoviesEtc

    Wait, I hadn't heard that this was going to be the last BNAT. Is that speculation or did Harry say that?

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST

    @Quake ii and thoughts for Harry

    by Judge Briggs

    Your list had me cracking up at my desk ... thanks man, for a good laugh ... Yeah, Harry - I have been coming to this site forever now ... it really does need an upgrade, my dude. The website has so so so so much potential ... please don't waste it. Even Garth over at Darkhorizons has been slowely implementing much needed changes ... he even participates in lively discussions in the news articles and via Facebook. Feels like he really cares and knows everyone. Perhaps you should start participating in the discussions too? That's why I come here ... usually you guys are late to the ball when it comes to news items ... but I come here to talk about them anyway. Herc does chime in time-to-time though. Really hope to see this website improve ... it's getting annoying that my state-of-the-art computer has a hard time loading some of the more popular talk forums like the recent discussions on Star Trek and Man of Steel. I can't come to this site on my iPad or iPhone because when I do, the video clips starts playing by itself. That's ridiculous.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Not gonna lie ... I do enjoy reading Creepthinmanlives comments here ...

    by Judge Briggs

    Hire the dude. He's funny, writes well ... and obviously knows his shit.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    judge briggs,creepy..

    by paul burnett

    ..I have that problem to regarding laptop struggling to load popular tbs. I thought it was a problem my end. I had a proper struggle getting the jack reacher review to load but on that occasion i think my laptop became sentient and was only trying to protect me. Creepy...don't ever change.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST


    by Judge Briggs

    Def not just you ... I have an i7, 12 gigs of ram ... ethernet connection. No reason for my computer to stutter. Hire Creepy, seriously. Dude is hilarious and knows film.

  • Dec. 14, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST


    by TheMachinist

    This is true, though some people seem to regard you as a troll. Perhaps it's the Karkat-y Caps Lock rage.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST

    so the BNAT audience saw the 48 FPS version of Hobbit?

    by Titus05

    I didn't think the Alamo Drafthouse was setup for HFR 3D

  • Dec. 16, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Hating on this site...

    by HoraceSkinner

    AICN is an institution. The first of its kind. Those that hate I think do so out of love and dissappointment the way this site is headed. But it could easy return to its former glory. Just a few suggestions ... 1 update the sites tech starting w an edit feature. There are post in every talk back about it. It also shows u care about the site and the fans. 2 update the front page w graphics. I love the way its laid out. It lets me scroll to exactly what im into fast and easy, but a few vids and movies stills and posters would do wonders visualy. 3 Post a fan review/commentary once or twice a month. It could be any random talk backer for all I care. But the talk backs are the strength of this site, and putting one of their reviews up once a month would go long waytoward good will. along w this put up more talk backs for certain subjects and shows which dominate multi subject talk backs. Starwars, startrek, breaking bad, GOT, ect. People want to see articles and post on these and others so give them what they want. 5 hire a COO, or manager type to run the site. Someone to make decisions like which articles to post and which to delete. Concentrate on your health first and writing reviews second. Let someone else handle the pressures and politics of the site. You might find more time to cultivate your relationshios if you did. Thus person could do articles but also keep your crew in line when they get too political or too negative. and they could fire Kidd. Just kidding.