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STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS teaser trailer is filled with big wows & whoas! And that JAPANESE spot? Wow! WHOA!

Hey folks, Harry here...  Yes please.  More please.   Wow.  Yes.  I'm happy.   I saw the Enterprise emerger from water...   and I'm very delighted.   It gave me gooseflesh.   I love that I still don't know what's up with Sherlock, but that's cool.   I don't have to know.   I bet his character name isn't Beatrix Kiddo though.   I feel safe in assuming that.   Whoever he is...   He's narrating the trailer and doesn't look like Ricardo Montalban.   Not to me.   And I'm not sure what he is doing in the trailer.   Is he POWERED somehow?  What is going on?   Can Not Wait to see this movie.   I hope it is as addicting as the first chapter was for me.   There's a fuller trailer coming and a big pre-Hobbit on IMAX thing - that's like 9 minutes...   and yeah, I wonder when I will be seeing HOBBIT in Imax.   I should buy tickets for that.   In fact, I'm going to go do that right now.  Enjoy the STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS tease...



 

 

Then there's this JAPANESE teaser which has a bit more to it than the US Teaser...  And the "your family" bit?  Is Alice Eve playing Carol Marcus?  Will JJ and crew bring in a younger tale of woe with Kirk?   Is "David" in this film?  Is this an origin story for why Kirk was sent on a mission to go where noone has gone before?   ALL SPECULATION on my part.   That Family bit gets me though!

 

 



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  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:46 a.m. CST

    OMFG

    by Tom Yorke

    *GASP*

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:46 a.m. CST

    first!!!!!!

    by bdc777

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:46 a.m. CST

    hey where'd the other article go!?

    by tonguestubble

    Did you just force someone to delete their article Harry? plus - seems like you can't make a good trailer with out breaking a few BWAAAAHs

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:46 a.m. CST

    damn!

    by bdc777

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:48 a.m. CST

    i still hate the goddamn name.

    by mojination

    completely useless marketing nonsense.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:48 a.m. CST

    WOW I repeat WOW. Epic.

    by DrPain

    Hot damn epic!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Psych

    by Tom Yorke

    Looks about as "meh" as the first film was. : /

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Haha bdc777

    by Tom Yorke

    Biaaaatch!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:50 a.m. CST

    To boldly go where no man has gone before

    by David Duchovny

    with BALLS. As in Holy Shit Balls. I think it looks great. Let the hating begin.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:50 a.m. CST

    My work here is done.

    by Tom Yorke

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Poor Beaks just got...deleted!

    by JP

    This place is going crazy.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Saw one...

    by bdc777

    That does it. My movie snobbishness won't let me like it now.

  • The blue shirt is definitely making the LLAP gesture....

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Oh and i almost forgot...

    by Tom Yorke

    ***BWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH*** ***BWWWWWWWWWAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH***

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:51 a.m. CST

    The Guy Richie-treatment

    by Ken Wahl

    Looks like Abrams is doing to Star Trek what Guy Richie did to Sherlock Holmes. Instead of being about a battle of brains they just blow the whole goddam movie up in a huge sfx-bonanza.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Soran rumor spreading

    by David Duchovny

    Thoughts? I'm not geeky enough to know the guy's back story.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:53 a.m. CST

    The Enterprise takes a dive

    by Adam Jones

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:53 a.m. CST

    and nobody here wants JJ to direct Star Wars why again??

    by DrPain

    Want the full trailer now!!!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:54 a.m. CST

    THIS ISN'T STAR TREK!

    by the_scream

    Star Trek is about hope and the advancement of human kind through space exploration. It's made for tv. The movies always try to merge Star Trek with heavy action and drama and completely avoid what Roddenberry envisaged. This could be a great movie but it isn't Star Trek. And even if it is great, it can't overcome the stupidity of the last film where a cadet is promoted to Captain of the flagship of the Federation after one adventure or where Spock is an emotional wreck who will launch a cadet our of an escape pod onto a planet with certain death instead of throwing him in the brig. But, hey, it had lots of explosions and humour. That's what passes for entertainment these days.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:55 a.m. CST

    the_scream

    by David Duchovny

    Get laid. Fast. I'll do you myself if it will shut u up.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Agreed, ken

    by Tom Yorke

    Absolutely nothing appeals to me in this clusterfuck of *BWAAAAHHHHSSSSS* and BRIGHT, SHINY THINGS........ tonally, aesthetically, NOTHING. Bland, vapid, derivative, unsubtle tripe this is! Bleh.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:57 a.m. CST

    Looks amazing. I remain stoked.

    by DoctorZoidberg

    Of course there are those that would prefer the 30 min silent drifting into the alien ship bit from the Star Trek Original Motion Picture.....but not I.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Oh, by the way, that's Klingons that Khan--er, Benedict is killing

    by zillabeast

    Still sporting the silver helmets like bros

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Yes.Yes.Yes

    by Tabor Brown

    This was well worth staying up for. Can't wait. Hell yes. So cool.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3 a.m. CST

    It's clearly not Khan...

    by Dasan Sullivan

    ...Khan was strong, but he couldn't jump like that. The likelihood of it being Gary Mitchell has gone up, in my mind, but I'm still unsure.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3 a.m. CST

    Right now, at this very moment...

    by Tom Yorke

    I'm trying to comprehend the mind of an individual who thinks this looks at all entertaining. Seriously, how could this possibly appeal to anyone above the age of 12? My synapses ache.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3 a.m. CST

    Benedict Cumberbatch

    by Peter

    It appears that hiring Benedict was the best decision JJ Abrams ever made. The guy has presence and he commits to projects in a big way. Has anyone seen his portrayal of Stephen Hawking in 'Hawking'. Just an excellent actor.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:01 a.m. CST

    Oh. Watching the Japanese one

    by David Duchovny

    It has to be Khan. The end shot with the glass is either the reveal or the biggest joke ever played on fans. Wonder why they didn't include it in the American one.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:01 a.m. CST

    Absolutely no interest in Star Trek

    by carl

    But I'm interested in that ...

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:01 a.m. CST

    Pretentious rr douchebag

    by the_scream

    Ok, you're on. I hear you swallow, right?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Now I think it clearly is Khan

    by David Duchovny

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Cool!

    by georgecauldron

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:02 a.m. CST

    the_scream

    by David Duchovny

    Whatever it takes

  • Solid candidate with a few tweaks, IMO

  • Headgeek the great dictator's revenge is sweet.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Ha ha

    by the_scream

  • The reveal of the Enterprise at the beginning of "Star Trek" and at the end of "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" -- that was good stuff. The Enterprise rising out of the water? Merely interesting for VFX geeks.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:04 a.m. CST

    The shot with the hands and the glass

    by David Duchovny

    is iconic. It's Khan--or a cruel fucking joke putting that shot in there.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Agreed with the douchebag

    by Jon Snow

    It has to be Khan because of the glass shot.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:06 a.m. CST

    drpain... you seriously want the schmuck who directed.....THIS

    by Tom Yorke

    to do the next frickin' STAR WARS?? In what possible way does anything in this trailer scream "Star Wars" (and by Star Wars of course i mean the classic OT... i.e. the only thing that fuckin' counts). This trailer and what it represents couldn't by any further removed from what the OT was all about. You're out of your flippin' mind, child.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Where'd Beaks' breaking story go?

    by Dasinfogod

    Way to kill the lead, Harry. Next time just add to the existing item rather than kill it. Bad form.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:10 a.m. CST

    Learn to WRITE Harry!

    by pearlanddean

    What on Earth are you bleating about man? I appreciate the over-excitement but please attempt a little coherence, there's a good chap.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:11 a.m. CST

    People who complain about action and adventure in a Star Trek film...

    by Stephen Farrell

    ...where would the drama be in a movie about 'hope and exploration'? And Knan is the only great Star Trek movie why?...oh yes because it's an action movie, a revenge driven action movie with great characters facing off with each other in cool spaceships. The last movie is one of the best tailor made geek movies ever made. And people cry about it because it was too exciting and Spock wouldn't do that and blah blah blah... I really don't understand people. Do you want to go back to when Star Trek meant people sitting on the ship around a table doing some delegation with aliens only distinguished by an array of latex nose-pieces and wearing '90's hospital waiting room curtains? The original series was at it's best when it had action, when Kirk defied the rule book and beamed down to cause havoc and mix it up with his buddies at his side. I would probably whine too if these were just dumb and badly made, but the fist was crafted with balls like an Indiana Jones in space action movie and this looks just as good. A million miles from drivel like Transformers and Gi Joe and Captain America...if you can't see it. Jeebus what do you want?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:12 a.m. CST

    It's not Khan, but it's supposed to be a reverse reference to TWoKKhan

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    i.e. when Spock dies in Star Trek II, it is supposed to remind the characters of this earlier moment where Kirk & Spock first realized the depth of their friendship, or brotherhood -- "how far would you go for your family?" The villain is obviously Gary Mitchell and the blonde woman is the Sally Kellerman character. Gary Mitchell WAS Kirk's best friend but by the end of the movie it will be Spock.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:12 a.m. CST

    I am len's flares!

    by LeonardsBellbottoms

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:13 a.m. CST

    what I wrote on April 30:

    by Hercules

    A digression of pure speculation: What if Old Spock Prime dispatched a heavily armed crew to where he knew the Botany Bay would be drifting? What if Khan and his crew were (likely against Old Spock's protests) quickly caged and “broken” and repurposed into Starfleet Team Six, the Federation’s most deadly secret weapon? And what if this “tamed” Khan, with his genetically-engineered superior intelligence, has spent years biding his time as Starfleet puts more and more of its trust in him? End digression. Another speculative digression occurs! What if the Klingons are utilized early on to demonstrate how badass Khan’s Starfleet Team Six is? (Recall a similar strategy was once employed to demonstrate how badass V’ger was.) Will we finally get to see a Khan-Klingon throwdown? http://www.aintitcool.com/node/55368

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:15 a.m. CST

    re: hercules

    by bubcus

    I remember reading your speculation and was fascinated by it. With Vulcan gone, Spock can't afford to suffer the same fate as in the original films so it does make sense. At any rate, this new trailer looks amazing. A lot of intensity in there. Can't wait.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Twitterverse is saying it's Dr. Tolian Soran

    by Jon Snow

    Age fits. 300 years old. History with the Borg. Family killed. Borg cube in poster. Trench coat. Was the villain in Generations who killed Kirk. Would seem to fit--and oh yeah, he sounds British too. Malcolm McDowell played him the first time.

  • So, coming back to get vengeance....fits?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:17 a.m. CST

    It's a new character

    by wadi77

    Why must it be Khan or whatever?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:18 a.m. CST

    Boborci DID say the character was canon...but not TOS canon

    by zillabeast

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:18 a.m. CST

    well, he didn't specify TOS canon I mean

    by zillabeast

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:19 a.m. CST

    It's Khan

    by David Duchovny

    Always was. The Soran thing floating around fits too though but so does Gary Mitchell. This is rather ingenious of the filmmakers. Sticking with Khan cuz of the glass shot.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:20 a.m. CST

    the_scream

    by DC Films

    Star Trek was not originally about hope and all that spear you wrote..... That's Next Generation (when they turned the Enterprise into a UN flagship of peace, and soap opera)..... Original Star Trek is about 3 buddies thrown into a great premise every week. It was about meta-physics, survival and great banter..... JJ has reintroduced those elements into the movies which after Star Trek 3: Search for spock had become increasingly lame and turgid. Into Darkness is a great title, it's a great trailer and the end shot of the Jap trailer says it's definitely a rebooted version of Khan....

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:21 a.m. CST

    I vote "Where No Man" as well

    by Anthony Torchia

    It's Gary Mitchell and the psychiatrist whose name I had to look up, Dr. Elizabeth Dehner. Maybe. Regardless, I say, so far anyway, Hell Yes

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:21 a.m. CST

    My guess: it's Bane. And Kirk is secretly Batman.

    by Spaderific

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:22 a.m. CST

    And Alice Eve, please learn how to scream. Thanks.

    by Spaderific

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Dear Naysayers...

    by DrPain

    You all sound like a bunch of whiny old men crying about how a bottle of coke use to cost a nickel. Times change as does our culture in entertainment. If you can’t grow, adapt and appreciate today’s entertainment because it doesn’t adhere to some shape or form from a bygone era, than go back to whatever basement you came from and put whatever classic you’re into on a continuous loop and enjoy because sorry, it ain’t coming back. Things change. Get over it. Star Trek 2009 was a great movie and this looks like it’ll keep high bench mark going. I for one, appreciate this new era of Trek and what the team behind it accomplished with this once dying franchise. Can’t wait for the full trailer! This one minute rocked.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Can't They Just Stop It with These "BWAHHHH!" Trailers?

    by Sound Designer Dan

    The Inception trailer was 3 freaking years ago and that "BWWWWAHHHHHHHH" was actually part of the story.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Couldn't the blonde be the one

    by David Duchovny

    who was always bringing Kirk his coffee and shit. Rand or whatever her name was.

  • Finally got around to watching that flick earlier this year and was blown away. What a fuckin' lovely film. Everything about it. The writing, the performances, the music, the cinematography. They just don't make 'em like they used to anymore...... *sigh*

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Dc films incorrect

    by the_scream

    Roddenberry originally dumbed down his vision for trek in the original series. The Next Gen was how he always wanted Star Trek to be. And to date, it is still the most successful series released.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Gene Roddenberry was a shitty writer who got really fucking lucky

    by David Duchovny

    Deal. This is Trek now. Learn to love it or gtfo.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:26 a.m. CST

    What I write now:

    by Hercules

    What if J.J. Abrams couldn't talk Benecio Del Toro into playing Khan? What if Abrams could hire Benedict Cumberbatch? What if the script is changed so Khan is phasered to death when Starfleet boards the Botany Bay, and one of Khan's fellow genetically engineered supermen -- a Britisher -- comes to lead Starfleet Team Six?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:26 a.m. CST

    good ttailer, solid screen entertainment, but ppl like hail_to_the_thief

    by gerry derboven

    really fucking annoy me. Ok, we get it, YOU don't like it. It suffises to say it and then get the fuck outta here. If this doesn't interest you, by all means, go talkback on a movie that does. I'm tottally fine with that. Why the puerile namecalling and hating and expenditure of energy on something you clearly don't like. we get it. Now go away. As a sci-fi enthusiast i can only be looking forward to this. Top notch. Carry on.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:26 a.m. CST

    He's at least one of Khan's supermen

    by tangcameo

    Possibly looking for his "family" and revenge. And this will be pre-Space Seed and no one will know where Khan and the rest are. We may even see an alternate timeline where the Botany Bay is floating dead, without life support, in space, or crashed on some planet. Or this could be Kirk's brother.

  • So, before it got deep sixed, someone posted a rumor that Karl Urban's McCoy character dies early in the film, and that serves as a catalyst for driving the story forward. Considering how prominently Alice Eve is featured in the trailer (especially as opposed to Urban), and say she is playing someone like...Nurse Chapel? Doctor De Facto in the event you lose the actual M.D.? Kinda makes sense.... Urban is a leading man now. Maybe they outed him. I dunno. Also sticking with the KHAN camp on this one. I have a feeling we'll all know who this is after The Bobbit.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:28 a.m. CST

    hercules

    by David Duchovny

    So the villain is just some unknown British dude? Doesn't exactly put butts in seats. Can't see Paramount giving the thumbs up to that.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Waaaaaaaaa!

    by bdc777

    This movie actually has action in it and not a bunch of diplomacy crap. I hate it when people decide to make a movie cinematic and not gear it towards a small portion of the fan base that would find another reason to bitch if not for this one.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:29 a.m. CST

    All those saying Mitchell one question: why would he want revenge?

    by HornOrSilk

    Obviously, it still could be him since JJ Trek doesn't give a damn about the original characters and their motives. However, the only canonical character who has such a desire is Khan

  • FUCK THAT. I'm not going down without a fight!! WHO'S FUCKING WITH ME?

  • It just has to be GOOD. i.e. QUALITY. Some sort of ARTISTIC INTEGRITY. Is that too much to ask?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Looks more like action movie

    by Max

    than Star Trek I know

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:33 a.m. CST

    If Karl Urban McCoy dies they've lost the best original trek impersonator

    by DidntPullOutInTimeCop

    I'm no trekkie, but he felt almost like the real McCoy...........

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Maybe it's Picard

    by David Duchovny

    coming back in time to kick ass because Kirk was a better captain. Sounds like him.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:34 a.m. CST

    I'm with margot_tenenbaum

    by Hamish

    That definitely looks like a reversal of the iconic Spock-Kirk scene in WOK. My knee-jerk reaction though was that they are going to kill Kirk in that scene. To what end I don't know - cliffhanger ending to set up a third film? But Kirk's not a Vulcan, how could they bring him back?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Hail to the Thief: Nobody is fucking with you:

    by gerry derboven

    and therein lies the problem. You need to get some. get that negative energy out. Nobody likes a whiner.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:34 a.m. CST

    McCoy is part of the trinity

    by David Duchovny

    You don't kill Jesus

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:34 a.m. CST

    omg what if he's JOACHIM?

    by DrPain

    Wasn't he Khans son or adopted son or something?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:36 a.m. CST

    space-jesus is a *scifi enthusiast* eh?

    by Tom Yorke

    This is to sci-fi as Wild Wild West starring Will Smif, was to classic western.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:36 a.m. CST

    All i hear is Patrick Stewart in the trailer now

    by David Duchovny

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:36 a.m. CST

    ONLY Nicholas Meyer can write/direct KHAN

    by bs9999

    I miss Meyer...he was James Cameron of the 80s

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:37 a.m. CST

    The only good thing about the trailer is a possible sample of what Smaug

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    may sound like. Other than that, explosions! do not Star Trek make.

  • That would be fucking amazing...they always kind of played with the idea that he was somewhat of a hot-head when he was young... maybe not an Earth destroying hot-head...but wait a minute... Picard was Bane!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:37 a.m. CST

    I'm rooting for Cumberbatch to destroy this abomination alt verse.

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:37 a.m. CST

    hail to the thief

    by the_scream

    Hear hear! Star Trek 2009 was a non fans interpretation of trek based on cliched pop culture references. The next gen was great! It wasn't just about diplomacy. It had terrific sci if stories with action when it was relevant. Just watched All Good Things... The other day. Shits all over the recent trek film in writing, character, humour and, most of all, heart.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:38 a.m. CST

    It looks like a great scifi action blockbuster -- but it's Star Trek in name only

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    I'll still watch this, I enjoyed the first JJ Trek. But there's nothing of the Star Trek I grew up watching and loving in this trailer.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Thief

    by gerry derboven

    and you got this from a one minute trailer? Why, sorry sir, i understimated your genius. Why aren't you in the movie critic business? If you can review a complete movie on the basis of a one minute teaser trailer, wow, that could save a lot of people a lot of money and time. You are too stupid to insult.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:39 a.m. CST

    not the most inspiring teaser

    by Jared

    That said, it's a teaser. Looking forward to the film.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:39 a.m. CST

    What could have turned Picard evil in an alternate timeline?

    by David Duchovny

    lol. I like this idea now. I'll fucking write it myself.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:40 a.m. CST

    "Starfleet Team Six" EAT ME

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    The real crime of Abrams' films are the stripping of the Roddenberry socialist utopia aspect of Star Trek in favor of bullshit militarism. I like my action fast and awesome but I like my Star Trek to be good-natured and visionary. I'm so tired of the Enterprise being used as a special crimes unit tracking down galactic psychopaths.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:40 a.m. CST

    @space_jesus = what exactly is SCIFI about this? It's Dark Knight in Space.

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    There is NOTHING science-fiction about JJ's Trek at all. Having a spaceship does not make it scifi.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:41 a.m. CST

    Re: tayag2003

    by pantera777

    You made me laugh WAY out loud! "BWWWWAHHHHHHHH" ... "BWWWWAHHHHHHHH" ...

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:41 a.m. CST

    Can someone explain...

    by FannyPad

    Why the window shot means it's Khan?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:43 a.m. CST

    You elderly people need to die or buy some ginko

    by David Duchovny

    for your damn memory. Since when has Trek been visionary without psychopathic villains? It's had nutjobs in every other episode since it came on the air in 67. Stop with the bullshit.

  • Isn't that the FUCKING POINT? *Hate* is a from of passion. Just as *love* is. They are the 2 extremes, the yin and the yang. Energy is naturally going to be directed towards one pole and the other. So i think it's just as satisfying/fulfilling to HATE on something as much as it is to LOVE on something. They're 2 sides of the same token. Say for instance, the hate i pour on to the Prequels... fuels my LOVE for the OT. And vice-versa. Make sense? Again, it comes down to PASSION. I am passionate against SHITTY FILMS. Because i care about the art form. If you can't take the heat, then i suggest you develop thicker skin, guy. : )

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Were there any shots of SPACE in there?

    by Shabado

    As someone who isn't a huge Star Trek fan, it was kind of weird not seeing ships flying through space. *shrugs* Enjoyed the first one, and this looks promising.

  • Snore.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:44 a.m. CST

    lol future young evil Picard would be mind blowing.

    by DrPain

    Coming back to restore his timeline because this new one they created didn't turn out so well for his future. But I highly doubt they'll do another time travel story. Not yet.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:44 a.m. CST

    fannypad

    by David Duchovny

    Go watch Star Trek 2. I won't spoil it. You're welcome. Go watch now. Hurry.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:46 a.m. CST

    I have determined the best name for New-Trek... Star TrINO

    by Tom Yorke

    (In Name Only, for the lay person) Catchier than Star Trekino. And it rhymes with *neutrino*. Physics is fun!

  • Into Darkness looks like a fantastic action blockbuster, I'll enjoy it for that, and pretend it's Mass Effect.

  • There's a shot of Scotty holding a bawling Uhura at :43. If JJ really is only making a Trek Trilogy.... Might as well start thinning the herd now.... DUN DUN DUN

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:48 a.m. CST

    or just watch this if you're sleepy

    by David Duchovny

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhcR-w-56tA

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Kruge Sybok Chang Soran Borg Queen Ru'afo Shinzon Nero

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    You little shit

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:50 a.m. CST

    Just watched the Upstream Color teaser and...

    by Tom Yorke

    ...it just karate chopped this trailer IN THE BALLS. THAT is how to do an effective fucking teaser! Well done, Carruth.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Did someone say balling Uhura?

    by David Duchovny

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Wrath:(rath, räth) Punishment or VENGEANCE as a manifestation of anger.

    by I NEED TO GET A LIFE

    If it isn't Khan...it's doing a good impression. Bit with the glass at the end...needs of the many...C'MON!!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:51 a.m. CST

    The two camps of Star Trek Fans...

    by Stephen Farrell

    Can we agree that we love Star Trek? I do...I had the action figures when I was 3 years old. The first movie I saw in the Cinema was Star Trek the motion picture and even though it plainly doesn't work...It's Star Trek so I kinda still love it I loved the Next Generation too but it simply had too many filler episodes and diluted that Universe with a lot of pointless political detail the way the new Star Wars did...it's better to imagine the back-room operations of things than see lots of Star-fleet board meetings. I loved the new movie BECAUSE it had lots of heart and just went ahead and did a big entertaining popcorn movie adventure...it's what I've wanted all my life and I bought those actors! I really fucking bought those actors. Complaining about the plot holes and nitpicking is one thing but if you take offence because it is different to the old stuff then that's just you...it's your problem not the fault of the movie. It was crafted with love and attention, had the best possible cast and was truly exciting. It is the same universe but made by professional film-makers rather than jobbing TV people doing their best with shitty budgets. But lets agree at least we all love Star Trek. Phasers set to stun people...and come on! you're all going to see it right?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:54 a.m. CST

    If you want to see crappy Trek

    by David Duchovny

    Go watch Insurrection, Generations, Nemesis, The Final Frontier or any episode of that thing called Enterprise with Scott Bakula. JJ's movies don't deserve to be lumped in with that crap.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:55 a.m. CST

    What if it's Locutus?

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    Personally, I think the Gary Mitchell or Charlie X ideas are good (I don't want to see Khan just yet) but he DOES sound like fucking Picard and now I'm getting the idea that he's Locutus heralding the arrival of the Borg from the future. Anyway, looks good. It's all style over substance (and when I mean substance, I mean intelligent SF concepts which Trek is known for)

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Hardboiled wonderland: seriously?

    by gerry derboven

    Spacetravel, aliens, timetravel, warp speed... How is this not sci fi? Sci fi is many things but the main ingredients should be SCIence and FIction. I wish i could stay and talk about this for a while but i have to go to work. sorry.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:01 a.m. CST

    RED ALERT, SPOILERS ON SCREEN!

    by Dasan Sullivan

    Do not watch the Japanese trailer if you don't want potential spoilers! Can we get a spoiler tag on that sucker? Why did the Japanese get their own special trailer, anyways? Anyone know?

  • ...to do a Liam Neeson-ish cameo on the Botany Bay as Khan. Old Spock tells them where to find him and his gang. Starfleet finds them, wakes them up, hunts down and kills Khan, but against Old Spock's suggestion or orders, doesn't kill or imprison the rest but turns them into Starfleet Super Soldiers that they think they can control without Khan. haha Just imagine Nestor Carbonell doing that centering yoga/karate move Montalban did way back in Space Seed.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Who is wearing green at the end? Ideas?

    by David Duchovny

    and I freaking love the Locutus idea--would also tie in with the "maybe Borg cube" in the poster.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Evil Picard? Are you guys on crack?

    by loafroaster

  • So I'd go into it with that kind of expectation moreso than one of ST: Into Darkness being as good as some of the best Trek films (IMO: Wrath of Khan, First Contact, The Motion Picture, and The Undiscovered Country).

  • Oh, and he has a hood like *Batman*! in that scene before Spock supersliding down into the Volcano whatever.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:05 a.m. CST

    The British accent...

    by richievanderlow

    Makes me think this is a new character, since none of those mentioned as the possible canon villain spoke with one. This may be the one "lie" Orci said he made. If this is Mitchell, then they're really stretching the origins of these characters.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:05 a.m. CST

    loafroaster

    by David Duchovny

    If I'm right I'm a genius and you will kneel before me. If I'm wrong I'm an idiot--and I already am one, so really what do I have to lose?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:05 a.m. CST

    It's Khan.

    by J

    The hand on the glass is an obvious reference to Wrath of Khan. What you have there is Spock sacrificing himself for the "family" (the crew). That's why Uhura is flipping out. Why else would she react like that? Spock's her dude, after all.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:06 a.m. CST

    but it's Khan

    by David Duchovny

    I like the Picard idea better now though. Damn me.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:07 a.m. CST

    and I like the Locutus idea even more than that

    by David Duchovny

    Damn chuck_chuckwalla

  • They probably won't make the mission "penetrate the barrier at the edge of the galaxy" because there isn't one. I haven't watched "Where No Man Has Gone Before" for a long time but wasn't there also a love triangle with Kirk, Mitchell & the blonde? So he's after Starfleet for killing her and Kirk for nailing her. And then -- surprise -- she wasn't killed and is the even-more-powerful-than-Mitchell deus ex machina at the end. I think the Khan talk is a patented Abrams-Lindelof marketing red herring.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Gary Mitchell

    by David Duchovny

    Sounds even gayer when you say it out loud. Try it.

  • That's no easy task in this day and age. Well played sir, well played.

  • Also, when I attempted to type hardboiled wonderland into the comment box using my phone, the auto-correct tried to make it say hard oiled wonderland.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Yep, Evil Picard. Just a hunch. Don't horsewhip me.

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:10 a.m. CST

    I'm with you til the bitter end chuckwalla

    by David Duchovny

    We should get rings.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:10 a.m. CST

    just like guy ritchie did to sherlock holmes

    by Hugh Gustavus

    turned star trek into a cg fest with ridiculous over the top action that could be any other summer blockbuster. No thanks! And stop with that fucking trailer music, its been done to death!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Wonder if Patrick Stewart is ok with this

    by David Duchovny

    Raping his character.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:13 a.m. CST

    If it is Picard/Locutus, they found a great way to bring in fans of the TNG

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    But what the fuck do I know, right?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:14 a.m. CST

    "Gary Mitchell" sounds gay?

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    You have problems in your brain.

  • It's been a long road Gettin from there to here It's been a long time But my time is finally here And I will see my dreams come alive at night I will touch the sky And they're not gonna hold me down no more No they're not gonna change my mind (Chorus) 'Cause I've got faith of the heart I'm going where my heart will take me I've got faith to believe I can do anything I've got strength of the soul No one's going to bend nor break me I can reach any star I've got faith I've got faith Faith of the heart

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Future Picard

    by David Cloverfield

    That's the greatest idea I've ever heard.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:21 a.m. CST

    I'm posting it everywhere. Have to get credit.

    by David Duchovny

    I'm an attention whore.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Benedict Cumberbatch?

    by Tom Yorke

    I prefer Hubert Cumberdale myself.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Gary Mitchell isn't British

    by David Duchovny

    and yeah...the name sounds ghey as in lame.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:22 a.m. CST

    General Chang was British

    by zillabeast

    maybe its him

  • Like 8 or so bannings ago! Ahhhh memories...

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:22 a.m. CST

    It's really FUTURE GUY from Enterprise

    by HornOrSilk

    He really wants to mess up the Federation... Actually, though time travel, would be cooler than anything which will be done. Might as well have it all Time Wared and all, with him destroying the Federation. Have Kirk, Spock and McCoy killed at the end. Then the third story can be "The Search for Spock" where an even further Future Guy sees he did wrong and wants to bring them all back to life. Stupid, but it is JJ Trek stupid.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:23 a.m. CST

    It's either Picard or Soran

    by David Duchovny

    The British thing is the key.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Julian Bashir was British

    by zillabeast

    maybe its him

  • Just sayin'.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:26 a.m. CST

    It's Harry Mitchell, Gary's Brit half/half brother.

    by T

    I don't recall any backstory in TOS as to Mitchell's origin country... which really, even by TOS era, should be many places ACROSS a galaxy!!! No, love triangle either. Dehner was his bitch all along.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Jean Luc Picard, the english Frenchman

    by zillabeast

    sure, ill bite

  • lulz I thought you guys were fucking around! That'd be like naming the main villain in a movie... Gene Thompson. Or Mark Humphreys. Haha, wtf?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:27 a.m. CST

    All aboard...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...the HATE TRAIN! This message is for those among you who are complete fucktards.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Oh shit guys, watch out! It's the dreaded

    by Tom Yorke

    Bob Williams!!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:28 a.m. CST

    the_scream

    by DC Films

    Roddenberry pitched it as 'Wagon Train In Space'.... It's an adventure about exploring ideas. Star Trek:NG was an SFX soap opera by comparison.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:30 a.m. CST

    hail_to_the_thief

    by David Duchovny

    Exactly

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:30 a.m. CST

    Hate train is light rail, with lens flare.

    by T

    So economic. All hail Future Picard! ;-P

  • And in this future he wants revenge against the Federation that DID NOT save his ass from the Borg. Again, I am just speculating but the more I think of it, the more it makes sense.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Brace yourselves people...

    by Tom Yorke

    GREG JEFFRIES has returned!! And he's PISSED.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:31 a.m. CST

    oui, it's Malcom Reed

    by zillabeast

    yep, that's your guy

  • Do we need another revenge movie so quick? Seriously, JJ Trek hasn't thought anything out. It has no idea of how to do Star Trek.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:32 a.m. CST

    Looks GOOD!

    by Jeespox

    Although I like the old Star Trek movies, I really enjoyed the Abrams Trek also. So I'm all in for this one!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:33 a.m. CST

    I should say, redesigned without the implants showing externally

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    Whew, glad I cleared that up.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:33 a.m. CST

    So I guess the blonde with the bob cut...

    by WeylandYutani

    is probably Dr. Carol Marcus or Dr. Elizabeth Dehner depending if the villian is Kahn or Gary Mitchell?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Tad Smith

    by David Duchovny

    Will fuck up your planet.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Oh, so he needs his single word space psycho name?

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Okay, I get this now.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:36 a.m. CST

    What is it about JJ Abrams that inspires such retarded musings?

    by loafroaster

    Remember when Cloverfield was coming out and people were guessing it was a robot or a giant fucking LION? An evil young Picard hellbent on destroying Starfleet? Think about how stupid that sounds for a minute.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:37 a.m. CST

    hail_to_the_thief

    by WeylandYutani

    The name makes sense. In the TOS, Gary Mitchell is an ordinary human that accidentally gets god-like powers which eventually causes him to destroy himself. The name was probably selected to be unremarkable on purpose.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:37 a.m. CST

    I think it sounds freaking awesome

    by David Duchovny

    and Khan isn't British and neither is Mitchell. Explain that.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Doc Pazuzu, you're not my best friend anymore.

    by Tom Yorke

    Orb is.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:40 a.m. CST

    Craig Jones

    by Tom Yorke

    Is coming.... Tape up your buttholes!

  • At least cut me some fucking slack for thinking up a scenario that does not have Khan, Gary Mitchell or Charlie X in it.

  • That seems like a no-brainer.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Kirks brother?

    by I NEED TO GET A LIFE

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Clearly, it's Mudd.

    by HornOrSilk

    He is wanting revenge because Kirk left him stranded on the android planet. And Trelane came along, and using the remains of a Horta, gave him a means to change his appearance, when Mitchell comes and sends him back in time, only to have him end up in the alt-universe. Clearly.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:45 a.m. CST

    Kids born in the 90's should just shut the fuck up.

    by tradeskilz

    What a moron generation they represent. They are living up to every cliché and stereotype to the point that the stereotype is no longer seen as one. You guys are so fucking self entitled and spoiled. You act with the confidence and bravado of a generation of achievers, yet you have amounted to nothing. What a worthless piece of shit generation.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Picard and tying in TNG

    by Murchmo

    I've thought of this a lot over the years. Especially after the last movie. if jJ wants to do a trilogy, he's made time travel adjustments to the canon. It can't be too crazy to wrap everything up in a crazy couple of movies that ties in Picard and company and wrap up the time change from the previous film and close the story or set up a continuation. Even in the TNG episode "Clues" they made a decision to wipe their memory of an event. I can see the enterprise E popping out of no where with nothing but a wormhole to explain. The writing in nemesis was really great. Picard disappearing completely out of nowhere just turned the film up a notch. Too bad it's director sucked. That aside amongst other issues... these are just concepts to think about. While I agree the writing in the last Star Trek wasn't nearly as good as it could have been. I liked it and I like where it's going. Ok.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Captain Garth of Izar

    by HornOrSilk

    Now he would be one who would make some sense..... if one wanted a TOS character

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Kirk's long lost British brother, Sam Kirk

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    wait it can't be "Sam Kirk" because it sounds super-fruity. Kirk's long lost British brother Samzhan Kirkopath!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Okay, okay, it's the Enterprise RISING... I get it.

    by T

    I guess I'm off on the scale of the E, or it's new shit appearance, and mistook the nacelles for a complete different ship.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Where are the stars? As in STAR Trek...

    by ratpack223

  • The color pallette of this movies is kind of steel blue with red/orange for contrast.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:54 a.m. CST

    You don't often see the teal/orange palette in movies these days

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    pioneering

  • 1) They pick Khan up ( 2) This Khan has a different crew awaken him, so they do something different, so he lays low while slowly finds a way to take over the ship 1b-2b someone else picked up Khan in this universe, and he did the same as he did in TOS, but this time, the crew joined with him 3) When they get to earth, he has taken over the Enterprise (or similar ship), and uses it to start his revenge... the ship rising from the water is when he takes out a major target, the first, surprise strike... Now, really, they shouldn't be doing Khan. But this is how I see it will go.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Obviously someone important is going to die.

    by FusionAddict

    Those jets/shuttles are flying in the Finger Four Formation, which in current times is part of the Missing Man Ceremony at pilots' funerals. RIP Sulu?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Still feel sorry for Mr. Beaks

    by David Duchovny

    He got assraped. I'd quit and move to dark horizons.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:02 a.m. CST

    If this does indeed turn out to be Gary Mitchell

    by Rob Hill

    From the ongoing comics, Kirk shot him with a phaser rifle just as whatever possessed him from the Barrier was about to take hold again. The bodies of Mitchell and Kelso were loaded into torpedo tubes and shot back at Delta Vega. OK, what if he's not quite dead? If this is the case, you have a stranded pissed-off former friend of Jim Kirk with the power of the Genesis device inside him. Hell, who needs Khan? All the elements are there in Mitchell. Maybe all the lava shots are Mitchell going all Unstable Genesis Planet during a fight? I'm running with this theory until something else makes more sense. Any takers?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:03 a.m. CST

    @tradeskilz

    by KGB3317

    You: "What a moron generation they represent. They are living up to every cliché and stereotype to the point that the stereotype is no longer seen as one." So you are not living up to the cliche and stereo-type of an angry, time-passed-me-by, old man? FUCKING HYPOCRITE!!!!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:05 a.m. CST

    Si Si, that's definitely a funeral

    by zillabeast

    Too big a funeral for one of the regular crewmen. Bet it's Pike's.

  • I hope they do a recap! (they won't)

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:07 a.m. CST

    (in response to vonotar)

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    for clarity

  • What if Shinzon, or another Picard clone of similar evilness to Shinzon, was a member of Nero's vengeful mining crew? We know Nero and his crew were briefly captured by the Klingons. We see Cumberbatch's character attacking Klingons. What if, when Nero's crew escaped, the Picard clone/Shinzon was left behind, and he manages to escape, now wanting revenge against Kirk and Starfleet for killing Nero.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:07 a.m. CST

    Gary Mitchel like a mutherfucka

    by Matthew

    watch the old episode, clips on youtube, even has a similar blonde lady

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:08 a.m. CST

    Nevermind. Now I think it's Mitchell again

    by David Duchovny

    Cumberbatch is wearing a starfleet shirt in a shot. British accent is fucking retarded though. Do some research Benedict. Give a shit.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:09 a.m. CST

    dubster32

    by FusionAddict

    If they're doing the Garth of Izar story, which I think is the one that makes the most sense, that could be through the window of a brig or an asylum cell at the end of the film. When Kirk encountered Garth in TOS, he had already been committed for his crimes. But the new continuity has Kirk in the chair 5 years earlier, and since the Enterprise is the fleet's flagship, it would make sense that he would have been part of the dragnet to capture Garth in the new timeline.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:11 a.m. CST

    More to back of my theory Shinzon theory...

    by American Mythos

    ... Nero and his crew were miners. Shinzon was forced to work in the mines of Remus, overseen by cruel Romulan slave drivers. What if in that time he, or another Picard clone, was befriended by Nero, and was part of his crew they went back in time, where they were captured by Klingons. Again, as I said above, in the teaser we do see Cumberbatch's character fighting the same masked Klingons that captured Nero.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:11 a.m. CST

    *back up Shinzon theory

    by American Mythos

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:12 a.m. CST

    This place makes me sad

    by SUPERJIM

    The amount of negativity is unbelievable. Granted I know nothing about Star Trek and I quite like the reboot. But to me it looks like a well shot, action packed, big budget sci-fi movie with good effects. How can it look shit when you've only seen 1 minute of footage that has been thrown together out of context? Hate it once you've seen it if you have to. To a casual outsider who likes big movies I don't see anything I don't like here. Reign the hatred in people, you'll be happier.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Paramount would love to remind people of Star Trek: Nemesis

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Hope Abrams cleans up the Data/B-4 dangler while he's at it.

  • make sure you plug in the right canned response, plant.

  • ... if the villian is indeed an evil young version of Picard, tying the Shinzon story into Nero's story is the cleanest way to pull it off without recycling the time travel element. Why else have the seemingly irrelevent subplot of Nero being captured by Klingon's in the first Abrams Trek? To me, that was perhaps the the biggest unnecessary scene in the entire film. If used to explain a Picard/Shinzon/Different evil Picard clone presence in the sequel, it makes sense in retrospect.

  • Not hating...if you wanna be the best, clone the best.....more power to 'em

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Charlie X or Garth of Izar

    by knightrider

    They are running the risk of disappointing a huge section of their audience who are going to see this expecting Khan.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ, when do kids sleep!?

    by technosnob

    Man, I wasn't expecting to be first but damn!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Cumberbatch

    by steinhenge

    looks like he has pointy ears, to me.

  • ... that perhaps his vengeance has to do with his own family/crew. If Cumberbatch is Shinzon or another Romulan clone of Picard befriended by Nero as a child, it makes sense that the family he's avenging is Nero's crew.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:29 a.m. CST

    *Japanese. Christ my typing is shitty this morning.

    by American Mythos

  • Gary Mitchell is obscure, but his story is pretty straightforward.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:35 a.m. CST

    lol, it's not Mitchell, it's Khan

    by zillabeast

  • Their touchstone is Christopher Nolan, not Stuart Baird.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:37 a.m. CST

    by Danny

    Sorry guys, long comment here. After watching Generations recently i immediately put pieces together to think that soran could in fact be the enemy in "Into Darkness" My opinions may be long shots and a bit too hopeful but i thought i would add in my two-cents. Firstly the name "Into Darkness"...Soran's main actions came from his blowing up off the suns in various planets to bring the Ribbon to him, This obviously brought darkness to solar systams such as the planet Veridian 3! Secondly Whilst people are quashing the Saron rumour due to his meeting with Kirk on Veridian 3 and exclaiming "Who the hell are you?" this is later rebuffed when Soran later confesses he knows of the legacy of Captain James TIberius Kirk! And lets not forget Kirk (and Picard) were the ones who foiled Soran's plot and ultimately caused his death (all of which happened during the Nexus time which was just an alternate/virtual reality) My thinking (based on the Nexus not being solid reality) is that after Soran's Veridian 3 plot was foiled he merely waited another 39.1 years (which is nothing to an El-Aurian) and again used his Trilithium technology (This would fit in with the "one-man weapon of mass destruction" to enter the ribbon and use the Nexus to go back "to anywhere, any time" and go back to try to kill Kirk the younger which would then prevent kirk from killing him and stop him reaching Nexus in the future. Also it does seem from the Japanese trailer that Kirk has met Carol Marcus and probably does "the space dance with no pants" which would then later introduce his son David into the fray. And this would explain the remark by Benedict Cumberbatch about family. Also Generations is very heavily family themed. Any thoughts or directed anger at rubbishing of my thoughts? :)

  • ... Nero's crew could have been anything more threatening, like a Romulan military dispatch, but they were friggin' miners, the unlikeliest choice of villians.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:37 a.m. CST

    Bane=Tom Hardy=Shiznon

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    not Bane=Shinzon unless I missed the Bastman/Star Trek comic book

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:37 a.m. CST

    PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER!!!!!

    by Danny

    Sorry guys, long comment here. After watching Generations recently i immediately put pieces together to think that soran could in fact be the enemy in "Into Darkness" My opinions may be long shots and a bit too hopeful but i thought i would add in my two-cents. Firstly the name "Into Darkness"...Soran's main actions came from his blowing up off the suns in various planets to bring the Ribbon to him, This obviously brought darkness to solar systams such as the planet Veridian 3! Secondly Whilst people are quashing the Saron rumour due to his meeting with Kirk on Veridian 3 and exclaiming "Who the hell are you?" this is later rebuffed when Soran later confesses he knows of the legacy of Captain James TIberius Kirk! And lets not forget Kirk (and Picard) were the ones who foiled Soran's plot and ultimately caused his death (all of which happened during the Nexus time which was just an alternate/virtual reality) My thinking (based on the Nexus not being solid reality) is that after Soran's Veridian 3 plot was foiled he merely waited another 39.1 years (which is nothing to an El-Aurian) and again used his Trilithium technology (This would fit in with the "one-man weapon of mass destruction" to enter the ribbon and use the Nexus to go back "to anywhere, any time" and go back to try to kill Kirk the younger which would then prevent kirk from killing him and stop him reaching Nexus in the future. Also it does seem from the Japanese trailer that Kirk has met Carol Marcus and probably does "the space dance with no pants" which would then later introduce his son David into the fray. And this would explain the remark by Benedict Cumberbatch about family. Also Generations is very heavily family themed. Any thoughts or directed anger at rubbishing of my thoughts? :)

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Batman not Bastman MY TYPING IS EVEN WORSE

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    It's 5:30 AM what the fuck

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Their super mining device allowed them to blow up planets

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    that's why they were miners

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:42 a.m. CST

    I think the Shinzon thing is retarded

    by David Duchovny

    because even star trek fans have no fucking idea who shinzon is. Like 40 people even saw that movie.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Where's Occam's Razor when you need it?

    by T

    Gary Khan!!!! ;-)

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:44 a.m. CST

    The Soran plot sounds reasonable.

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Sounds like an easy sell.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Reading some really clueless ideas here...

    by Diggnan

    This movie is going to have absolutely ZERO connection to any previous Trek, except for the original series and/or original series characters. Abrams and Co. are seriously dedicated to making their own version of Trek, based SOLELY on the original series characters. You people who think it's going to have ANY connection whatsoever to TNG or any TNG movie or character are just ridiculously tone-deaf. Abrams and Co. want absolutely NOTHING to do with that iteration of the series. They are completely ignoring it. They would sooner include characters from Space: 1999. On another note, I would like to echo what a couple of other commenters mentioned earlier, in terms of theories about the hand/window scene at the end of the Japanese trailer, and expand on it a bit: First, it is obvious Abrams has gone to incredible lengths to keep major plot points and the identity of the villain a complete secret so far. I would contend that if indeed he was doing Khan and/or death of Spock, it would not make any sense whatsoever for him to telegraph that ending by including the very-obvious hand image at the end of the Japanese trailer. It's just too obvious. He would never just give such an important element away like that. Therefore, IMO it makes much more sense that the image being included like this (even if it's just in the Japanese version) is a head-fake. He threw it in there because he knows many of the dedicated internet fans will interpret it just as such. What an earlier commenter theorized seems much more likely; that this scene is simply a visual callback to Wrath of Khan, and is not in fact the same scene, but could perhaps be a scene where Spock is the one on the side of the glass who does not die, and perhaps it is Cumberbatch's character dying. Another nice touchstone to reflect the difference in direction taken by this alternate timeline.

  • Both retarded choices and will piss me off. Also, it's not fair to the audience. Give me Latin Khan or American Mitchell. If they are playing fair it HAS to be Soran or Picard. Nothing else makes sense.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:47 a.m. CST

    Who is the new Blonde

    by VonDan

    Looks like she is a younger hipper Elizabeth Dehne

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:47 a.m. CST

    Cumberbatch

    by Keith

    ...is clearly playing Alex Mercer from 'Prototype'.

  • so bite me.

  • ... he confessed to never watching an episode of Star Trek TOS, but he most likely at least watched all the Trek movies to do a little homework, and it's conceivable he may have seen something in Nemesis that we didn't. The concept of Shinzon was a great one, meant to evoke Warth of Khan, but it was executed absolutely horribly. Going the evil Picard clone route might be Abrams' attempt to do his own Wrath angle, just without the Khan that everyone is expecting.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:50 a.m. CST

    vger_6, it's a good idea, but I don't think they'll use Soran.

    by loafroaster

    Not everyone has seen Generations, and if they're using 'classic' villains from past iterations, they'll likely go with someone/thing a lot more well-known. Also, can you really see them having a 30-minute scene where Cumberbatch explains who he is and how he got there, whilst a majority of the audience go 'eh?'. My money is on either Khan (the one villain that even Joe Public knows about), or a new character.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:50 a.m. CST

    *wrath

    by American Mythos

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:50 a.m. CST

    He sounds exactly like Patrick Stewart in the fucking trailer

    by David Duchovny

    Not cool. That wasn't an accident. A part of me loves these trolling JJ head games. He really does despise us. Shouldn't have shit on him for 5 years. See what happens?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:52 a.m. CST

    I'm putting my money on Sybok

    by steinhenge

    Possibly pointy ears, mentions family, looks like he could be a young Spock's brother, would want vengeance for the destruction of Vulcan.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Sybok sounds about as reasonable as Soran

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    But I heard they changed Sybok's name to "Cock" to make it sound less gay.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:54 a.m. CST

    american mythos

    by David Duchovny

    Trying to picture that massive exposition scene in my head. I can't. Of course I can't really see my Picard explanation either...so wtf do i know. I think it's Gary Mitchell with a who knows why British accent.

  • It was used as a device in order for them to wipe the slate clean and start a new version of the ST universe. I don't think they'll want to feature it in the second movie in a row. My guess is it'll be a more grounded, coherent good vs. evil story.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:54 a.m. CST

    by steinhenge

    Are you saying we're being cock-boked?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:55 a.m. CST

    Well fuck...

    by adml_shake

    someone let Troi's grandmother take the helm. Looks like shitty ship piloting runs in the family.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Every movie in this cycle may involve time travel

    by David Duchovny

    because all the main characters know they are in an alternate timeline now.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:57 a.m. CST

    This tb already too long. Jesus,I gotta go to work.

    by Deceased Fan

    Ain't nobody got time for that.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Plus, Shinzon was bald

    by David Duchovny

    Even though Picard had hair when he was young. Still haven't figured that out. Don't these writers watch the shit that came before. smh

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Really enjoyed the trailers.

    by Deceased Fan

    I'm voting Gary Mitchell, but with much reserve.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Every movie in this cycle may involve time travel

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    This is not an adaptation of Star Trek: Voyager

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:58 a.m. CST

    It's Spock's Brother Sybok from Star Trek 5!!

    by barry

    Look at the ears this guy is a Vulcan. Plus Vulcan has been destroyed and Spock brother is pissed at the federation for the death of his planet and mother.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:59 a.m. CST

    Enterprise design revised?

    by NativeGaijin

    If the ship crashing into the water near the end is the Enterprise, then it looks like they may have fixed one the design elements that bugged me the most. I really disliked how they pushed the nacelles so close together in the 2009 film. But the outline in that crash scene seems to more closely resemble the classic proportions of the original series and movie Enterprises. Of course, it may not even be Enterprise that's crashing in that scene.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6 a.m. CST

    Going to bed

    by David Duchovny

    Final prediction. Gary Mitchell-- because of the blonde chick and he's wearing a starfleet uniform. British accent was lazy. Movie looks exciting and can't wait to see it. Goodnight, and loved the theory swapping. Peace.

  • It's all so clear to me now

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6 a.m. CST

    hisnotkhan

    by steinhenge

    Pretty much what I said a bit above.

  • ... after all, Nimoy Spock did a pretty good job delivering exposition in the first Abrams Trek. Maybe this Picard clone could arrive on the scene like The Joker in TDK, with people trying to piece together his identity and motives, and it's Nimoy Spock who provides the possible answers, since he'd be familiar with the history.

  • That was my major design issue with the previous film as well.

  • If so, why would they have included the reference to Captain Archer and his beagle's transporter in the last movie? They could have left that out with zero impact to the story. Also, I don't know if you saw it, but there was a tie-in prequel comic that was released at the time of the last movie that featured several Next Generation characters and events to set up Spock and Nero's trip through the black hole. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have done that without Abram's support and blessing.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:18 a.m. CST

    You are some unimaginative motherfuckers

    by Mugato5150

    Khan? You think because of the hand on the glass that they're remaking Wrath of Khan? Soren? You really think they're bringing back a villain from arguably the worst TNG movie? Please don't make me say you're making Bob Orci look talented because I don't want to.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Shinzon's baldness was because writers assumed we're idiots

    by Bass Ackwards

    Patrick Stewart is bald, people won't understand if his clone has hair! More infuriating was when he was looking at old pictures, and they showed a picture if him in his twenties...bald! Also, I have no idea what the discussion is actually about, I just saw this brought up and wanted to rant about this peeve of mine.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Enterprise in ocean is...

    by MustGoFaster

    A nod to Voyage Home. So the villain is obviously from the giant metallic phallic thingy. He's come to avenge the whales after they've been hunted to extinction (or wiped out by pollution). And if you believe that, you'll also believe Harry is an acrobat.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:22 a.m. CST

    If I hear the line 'he did too much LDS in the 60s,

    by RoosterBooster71

    I am taking a poo in the theater and walking out.

  • But who knows Garth? So it's Khan or Mitchell. And in one scene, doesn't it look like something is happening with his eyes? Clearly they are trying to make us think of both Khan and Mitchell with the trailer (elements of both are involved). But I am tired of revenge stories for Star Trek movies. They need something new. It's too soon for another revenge story. Alas. And I do think if it is Mitchell, they are getting the character really, really, really wrong. Even Khan is wrong. Garth works. Or maybe it is really all a bluff and it is Pike after all... with help from his Talosian friends.... and we will see in the end, it was all an illusion...

  • Derp

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:24 a.m. CST

    mustgofaster, that is the most reasonable plot theory of all.

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Can we work in V'Ger somehow?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Picard or Soran theory makes sense

    by David Duchovny

    but doesn't explain the blonde. If it's Khan or Mitchell the blonde makes sense but the accent doesn't. Pick your poison.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:25 a.m. CST

    nativegaijin

    by Diggnan

    The line about 'Admiral Archer's beagle' was just that - a throwaway line that had no impact on the story. And as far as the comics go, I don't think Abrams or the studio cares very much what goes on in them, regardless of what they may say. All that matters is what is on the screen. I'd wager less than 1% of the people who will be showing up at a theater to see this will have read the comic, or even know it exists.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Picard theory: the blonde is a young Dr. Pulaski

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    but actually is Q in disguise. There is going to be so much TNG in this movie. I'm thrilled!

  • His nationality was never a major characteristic.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Didn't Dr. Pulaski rape a teen in the 70's?

    by David Duchovny

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Picard/Soran doesn't make sense, but if you are going to do it

    by HornOrSilk

    The blonde is obviously the Borg Queen. Obviously. And really, it isn't Picard. It's Data if he had chosen to be with the Queen, which happens in this universe because of the changes which happened to it. Yes. That's it.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:30 a.m. CST

    loafroaster

    by David Duchovny

    because it's lazy. details matter.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:31 a.m. CST

    Did Nero's time travel move America to England?

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    British Gary Mitchell destroys continuity!!!!!!!!! It MUST be Picard, Soran, Shinzon, Counselor Marina Sirtis, Dr. Bashir etc.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Also, why would Gary Mitchell be getting vengeance

    by David Duchovny

    Which was the original title of the movie--and he says it in the trailer. Makes no sense. Vengeance for what?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Plus you guys are leaving out the obvious Borg connection

    by David Duchovny

    in the poster

  • I absolutely hated The Voyage Home and is by far and away the worst of with all the bullshit of a probe wanting to have a chat with whales, the whole greenpeace crap and modern day San-Fran i mean COME ON!! So cheesy and unimaginative, just a shame Nimoy had to tarnish his directorial career! And while i laughed at people hating on Batman and trying to infer this is a copy, the music from the trailer is literally like it is lifted from DKR trailer with the booming noise in the background every second. Also at the end it is clearly Spock on the safe side of the glass although i do believe that inclusion is a major red-herring!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:36 a.m. CST

    *worst of TOS

    by Danny

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:37 a.m. CST

    The Voyage Home

    by David Duchovny

    Voyage Home might be the best reviewed Trek film. Begone with your hate. Just because you're a tea bagger and hate liberal views doesn't mean it wasn't a good movie.

  • Clearly. It's meta-fiction.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Voyage Home

    by Danny

    Hey i am myself rather Liberal but i though it was a meaningless inclusion of modern day (1980's) politics into a Trek film. It was easy, lazy and uninspiring. I am always surprised at the reviews to VH. It was just so cringeworthy when they were on earth, it became a very cheesy 1980's attempt to have comedy. Hitching a ride from some two bit, desperate whale keeper. It was like a sci-fi sequel to Free Willy. Garbage!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Oh, and the other hand on the glass is black

    by David Duchovny

    Uhura dies.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:44 a.m. CST

    oh come on, you all know it's true -- Cumberbatch is playing WESLEY CRUSHER

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:46 a.m. CST

    I'm tearing up already. Shit man. That ain't cool news at all

    by David Duchovny

    Poor Spock :-(

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:47 a.m. CST

    That is a milk chocolate colored female hand

    by David Duchovny

    asshat. Watch it on something besides your pocket potato.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:48 a.m. CST

    I think I just Cumberbatched...

    by scotty lines

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Oh snap! You're right

    by Jon Snow

    That is a black chick's hand lol. How did I miss that?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:50 a.m. CST

    Wow! if female hands were like that (shudders in disgust)

    by Danny

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Isn't that Picard/Stewart doing the voice over?

    by UGG

    A friend who said they worked on this last year said Picard was in this one yet I never believed him...

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:53 a.m. CST

    It's either Kirk or Uhura

    by Jon Snow

    Spock isn't emotionally close to anyone else and they aren't going to kill off Kirk. Plus, the hand is clearly female. Santorum is right I think.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:54 a.m. CST

    I figured it out. The villain is....

    by HornOrSilk

    a person made from the combined DNA of every villain Kirk ever fought, all wanting revenge for losing to the real Kirk and finding themselves in a shitty universe....

  • Misdirection based upon ST knowledge of the past. All a wink wink nudge nudge in the movie itself.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:55 a.m. CST

    ugg

    by Jon Snow

    Catch up at the top of the thread. Already guessed by a guy and then discussed ad nauseum. I think he's right btw.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:56 a.m. CST

    He's a Horta

    by HornOrSilk

    We were told the Horta could be it. Clearly, with the volcano scene, it is.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:56 a.m. CST

    Good trailers pique interest, raise questions

    by edshrinker

    Makes you want to see what the heck is going to happen. The one that is sticking with me is the iconic "hands on glass" I have read that it is the WoK scene, but with roles reversed. That is a neat idea, but Spock is giving the "Live Long and Prosper" salute... that would be kind of rude if the dude on the other side of the glass was dying from radiation poisoning. If it IS the scene, it is Spock dying. Backs up the Scotty comforting Uhura clip. I really love the theory that Spock Prime sent a retrieval team for Botany Bay, killed Khan. His #2 Jochiam conned Starfleet into thinking this supersoldiar would serve Starfleet. But now, because he's in the inside and all the augments except Benny were killed previously... this is his "vengence" for his "family". One of the better theories. To keep the iconic Khan for another movie, it could be he's not dead, but Benny is out to free him. From Klingon lock up?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:56 a.m. CST

    It's peach fuzz troll

    by Jon Snow

    That is a female hand and clearly darker toned. Who the hell do you think Spock would give a shit about?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Women have fuzz there asshat

    by David Duchovny

    You would know that if you've ever been in the company of a woman.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Agreed. That's Uhura's hand

    by David Duchovny

    That's gonna be a saaaaad scene. Dayum.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Another vote for Picard and Uhura biting the dust

    by proevad

    It's a ladies hand. This looks awesome, whatever it's about. If it's not that Picard theory, it should be.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Hands on glass = nobody dies

    by buggerbugger

    That bit at the end of the Japanese teaser is from a scene where Uhuru is slightly too late to give Spock his packed lunch before he catches the shuttle bus to Starfleet HQ.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:02 a.m. CST

    the_scream

    by brobdingnag

    right on target. You have to understand thought younger people are getting exponentially more stupid each year and they will lap utter shit like this and the Hobbit up like dogs. This might as well be called "Ass."

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Cumberbatch is pissed because...

    by buggerbugger

    ...he ended up being born on the wrong continent thanks to the last movie.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:04 a.m. CST

    It is Khan. Duh.

    by cutest_of_borg

    The clues are there. Who else would be returning to Earth to extract vengeance? Khan was forcibly exiled, children. Gary Mitchell has no grudge against Mother Earth - neither does Soran (at this point). It is Khan, motherfuckers.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Zoe Saldana gots man hands

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    she needs to fire her manicurist because her nails look like a MANicure amirite

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Just admit your wrong

    by Jon Snow

    The uniform in that shot is black, not green. Why the fuck would Spock give a shit about that character unless it's Sybock.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:05 a.m. CST

    I distinctly heard the blonde scream "KKKKHHHHAAAANNNN!!!!"

    by Glass Bead Gamer

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Khan wasn't exiled yet geniuses

    by Jon Snow

    No need for vengeance yet.

  • Garth fits better.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Fan base

    by Cuthbert

    Well bear in mind - if it wasnt for the ST fans out there who keep ST going when its off air by buying the product and going to the conventions - then there would be no ST film getting made at all. Who brought ST back from the dead when it was cancelled in the late 60's? The fans. Who kept Paramount churning out one series after another - the fans Who kept Paramount bringing out one film after another in the orginal films - the fans Who gave Paramount the idea there was still a quick buck to be made out of a new film series - the fans Who will still be buying the product and going to the conventions when the casual movie goers has long forgotton this new movie? - the fans. So if the fans 'bitch' a bit now and then - I reckon they have a right to. They have made mega money for Paramount over the years. Sure, Paramount make some money out the casual movie goers. But they can rely on ST fans to keep the well flowing with cash in the long term. So don't be surprised if some ST fans get pissed off when 40 years of back story is junked to suit a new film series. Sure, you cant pander to the fans all the time if you are making ST. Anyway, the fans dont necessarily speak with one voice as such. But what most fans do want is a bit of respect for the characters and backstory they have invested in over the years. Also when you think of all the stories these guys could have made, the idea that they feel the need to retread stories that have gone before sort of shows a creative bankruptcy on their part. Plus most fans would like a Producer (Abrams) who at least seemed to like his source material.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Nero changed it so he was exiled already

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Nero is still out there today, changing things

  • That means awesome in Japanese ... I think.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:07 a.m. CST

    A LAUGHING VUL...CAN?

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    AHAHAHAHAHAHA THEY CALL ME COCK MY FRIEND

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:10 a.m. CST

    my bets on khan

    by Jackson

    Gary mitchell wouldn't run around with a gun, he'd just stand there with glowing eyes moving everything around him.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Herc isn't very bright

    by Jon Snow

    and that remains a stupid idea even if he hadn't said it.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:11 a.m. CST

    The blonde woman must be...

    by FlashRogers

    Chapel - she's wearing the blue uniform.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:11 a.m. CST

    This looks amazing though.

    by Jackson

    Exactly what the Dark Knight was to Batman Begins. But considering Star Trek was better than Batman Begins....

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Chapel or Carol Marcus

    by Jon Snow

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Good point about the Sybok hand signal btw

    by Jon Snow

    Can't be him. Plus it's a BLACK FEMALE PERSON'S FREAKING HAND. lmao

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Yawn...

    by LionelRL

    What exactly do these films have to do with 'Star Trek'? Frankly they could be any sci-fi action film. Basically, JJ Abrahms could not be bothered to create his own sci-fi franchise so he hijacked another. Gene Roddenberry would be somersaulting in his grave. The first film was mildly amusing, but totally forgettable. I generally laughed my way through the film with every silly plot contrivance. There are no iconic scenes or memorable lines of dialogue. TWOK has so many iconic shots and pieces of dialogue I can't even count all of them. Star Trek 2009 didn't even have a great box office - worldwide Tron Legacy, Superman Returns, even The Mummy 3 did better. Again he appears to be using the terrorist motif - a rehash of the first film by all accounts.

  • ???

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Read this damn thread

    by Jon Snow

    This might be the best teaser trailer ever made. He threw shit in here just to piss people off. I love it. You guys shouldn't have trashed his first movie. He's fuckin with us.

  • 1) SHINZON/CLONE OF PICARD - Firstly, it would mean the clone on Nero's ship would have had to have been a child when they were captured by the Klingons, since they spent 25 years on Rura Penthe. It would also mean that child, as an adult, would have had to have been hurriedly educated on everything having to do with the Federation in order to become an officer. Remember, the summary of the film mentions specifically the threat comes from within the Federation. Also, it's specifically mentioned that Picard was bald toward the end of his academy term. 2) TOLIAN SORAN - If Soren kills Kirk in the past, that means Kirk never sacrifices himself to save the ship he's on at the beginning of Generations. Also, he would have had to have aged visibly around 30 human years in the 70-year period between TOS and Generations, while Guinan looked exactly the same for 400. 3) KHAN/AUGMENTS - Star Trek can't be a hit without Trekkies, and rehashing the plot of Space Seed & Wrath of Khan would alienate pretty much every one of them. Plus it would rehash one of the shittiest of shitty Enterprise arcs. 4) GARY MITCHELL - Possible, but unlikely. His insanity was a result of him crossing the galactic barrier, although I suppose they could always have something else drive him insane while not giving him psychic powers. Still, odd that they'd make him randomly British. 5) GARTH OF IZAR - Starfleet fleet captain, Kirk's personal hero, a master tactician, genocidal madman. Has the benefit of being a somewhat obscure villain to non-Trekkies, as well as a backstory that was told but never shown. Plus, Cumberbatch is the same age as Czech-Canadian actor Steve Ihnat. And check out the accent! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crP0H-xBqzI

  • Just kidding.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:16 a.m. CST

    Looks very cool

    by Autodidact

    Have to admit it looks pretty bawss.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:16 a.m. CST

    You just shit on every possibility

    by Jon Snow

    It's established by the writers that BC character is an established Trek character.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Wait. My bad. Could still be Sybok

    by Jon Snow

    You didn't shit on that theory.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:18 a.m. CST

    or just plain old evil time travelling Picard

    by Jon Snow

    You didn't shit on that one either. That's my fave for the record.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:18 a.m. CST

    If the villain turns out to be one of those Botany Bay superguys...

    by buggerbugger

    ...should be mockingly referred to as 'Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan's BFF'. Forever.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:19 a.m. CST

    scratchmonkey

    by Jon Snow

    Exactly. Herc should delete that comment. It's embarrassing.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Garth?

    by Jon Snow

    Um. Yeah. Really brings the fear hearing that name 100 times during a movie. WE'RE NOT WORTHY! WE'RE NOT WORTHY! It's not a villain named Garth. I refuse to believe that.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Khan - self-imposed exile from Earth in 1996.

    by cutest_of_borg

    It's not like he was happy with the Earth when he left.

  • Ergo, it's not Picard/Locutus

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:24 a.m. CST

    My money is still on....

    by C0CKLES

    TASHA YAR IS DOWN!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:25 a.m. CST

    If it was Garth, they'd also have Marta

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Green Orion slave girls are like one of the top 20 things the general audience knows about TOS

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:25 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk - maybe Garth

    by cutest_of_borg

    Khan fits better from teaser, though. Plus they want the non-fans in the seats. Even the unwashed masses have heard of Khan.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Alright. Watched it 6 times.

    by Jon Snow

    The evidence says it's Gary Mitchell sadly. Worst villain name ever. (besides Garth) He's wearing a starfleet uniform and there is a blonde prominently featured. Why is he pissed? No freaking clue--maybe Spock blew him out of a tube onto an ice planet for no reason. He does shit like that. I'd be pissed too. Also, he's turned British in this timeline for no reason at all.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:27 a.m. CST

    LOOKS FREAKING AWSOME!!!!

    by William Foley

    More psyched than ever!!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:28 a.m. CST

    godzillaguy

    by Jon Snow

    You can't just praise and leave. Who is the villain, yo?

  • Am I right?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Cumberbatch sounds positivly menacing!

    by Bob

    This looks great!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:32 a.m. CST

    I'm back

    by David Duchovny

    This is the funniest damn thread I've seen in awhile. You guys are nuts. Moved on to hand coloring?

  • But I still don't think it fits Khan from the original. He isn't out for revenge. Originally, he wanted to capture the Enterprise, get a crew, build a new empire. That wasn't revenge. Of course, we are talking JJ Trek, and all motivations and characterizations are now out the window... But, even if people have not heard of Garth, doesn't matter. This is one of the arguments I hear constantly with series like DW, ST, and the like. "They could never bring back X because no one now knows of them." Well, no one heard of them when they were first introduced into the show as well. Garth fits what we see FAR more than Khan, when dealing with TOS. But I do think it is Khan related. But I do have a bit of pause with it for one reason: if it were Khan, the marketing would push it more, I would think. They wouldn't be afraid of releasing the name. But with Garth... people would go "Who?" and so the mystery is more effective.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:35 a.m. CST

    jon-snow-dies there are nods to Mitchell and Khan both

    by HornOrSilk

    Maybe he is Gary Khan, the long lost son of Khan from the future gone back in time... Anyway, there are WoK nods and Mitchell nods in it. His eyes look like there is something going on ala Mitchell. However, while I think it is possible it is him, it really fails TOS to do it this way. And it's quite possible Mitchell's love is in this without Mitchell... everything is all tossed around, so the crew is different... and so they could have decided "She would be on the Enterprise, but Mitchell isn't..."

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Its Gary Mitchell, deal with it.

    by shutupfanboy

    I thought the blonde was Carol Marcus, but she looks like the girl from Where No Man Has Gone Before. I prefer Mitchell, because Benedict while awesome can't top Ricardo, no one can.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:37 a.m. CST

    The end looks like a nod to The Wrath of Khan..

    by Cotton_Mcknight

    in the Japanese trailer, you see two hands separated by glass. Very reminiscent of the "I have been and always shall be your friend" line from Star Trek 2. That tells me it's Khan. But hell, maybe JJ hasn't even seen Star Trek 2 and wouldn't get that reference.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Khan was extremely obscure prior to TWoK

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    I will give props to JJ Abrams if he can pluck another TOS character from oblivion and turn him into iconic screen villain.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:38 a.m. CST

    shutupfanboy

    by David Duchovny

    Why is he almost twice as old as Kirk and British?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:39 a.m. CST

    cotton_mcknight

    by David Duchovny

    Read the thread. Late to the party.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:40 a.m. CST

    hail_to_the_thief

    by Bob

    You bitch and hate, and waste several paragraph spaces to try and be cute. Lame.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Cumberbatch is 36, chris pine is 32

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    the fuck is wrong with you

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:41 a.m. CST

    He looks 50

    by David Duchovny

    and Kirk is supposed to be 25 in this

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:41 a.m. CST

    PLUS HE'S B R I T I S H

    by David Duchovny

    Explain it or shut the fuck up

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:42 a.m. CST

    It's Nurse Chapel upset she was given a sex change

    by HornOrSilk

    And now wants revenge all the while still in love with Spock...

  • But I also don't think JJ Trek gives a damn about Trek so it could be a killer tribble and the people would flock to see it.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Title comes from Michael Bay school of dumb titles.

    by knowthyself

    Revenge of the Fallen. Dark of the Moon. Star Trek INTO DARKNESS. Sigh.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Better than ST: Vengeance

    by David Duchovny

    which is what it was

  • Sounds legit

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:49 a.m. CST

    or the actor was lazy

    by David Duchovny

    which is what I'm going with. Just fucking with you guys while I drink my coffee. Said in the middle of this thread it had to be Mitchell. Could be Garth but wasn't he a shapeshifter or something like that? Been awhile.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Can we all agree Khan or Gary Mitchell?

    by SlyWalker

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:53 a.m. CST

    pretentious-rr-douchebag

    by HornOrSilk

    Well, he eventually became a shapeshifter, but wasn't initially.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:54 a.m. CST

    lennon-shot-first

    by Johnathan newport

    Amen brother! With a few exceptions that was my primary issue with TNG: ie, Waayyyy too much talky-talk. JJ did a perfectly acceptable job with character development in reboot. I don't pay $10 to see a genre SCI FI flick to watch intellectual bantering for 2 hrs. Hell, I'll pay my $10 just to watch Karl Urban as Bones, cuase Jeebus Almighty he nailed it. Fookin bunch of mommies-boys whiny bitches. And possibility of watching entire starships crashing into the ocean? Enterprise rising? Fuck yeah I'm there. Action movies with masterpiece-level screenplays (ie Die Hard I) are EXCEPTIONALLY rare. Sit back, enjoy the ride, bring your sunglasses, for aye, lads, here be lens flares.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:54 a.m. CST

    hail to the thief

    by dengreg31

    what, 87 comments now? Do you ever sleep? Lot of energy on something you don't like.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Superhuman Cumberbatch is clearly...

    by buggerbugger

    ...the robot cop who arrested Little Jimmy Kirk at the beginning of the last movie. Robobatch has always been bitter about never being promoted due to that incident with the vintage car.

  • One which seems to be the source for THE TITLE... notice... the words.. "into darkness" here describing him... to me, though I think Khan/Mitchell possible, this actually makes me think it is Garth after all, and now I know how they got the title (read his entry on memory alpha): Garth of Izar was a decorated, highly-regarded officer in the Federation Starfleet, who rose to rank of Fleet Captain in the course of his service through the mid-23rd century. His career dissolved in a dramatic descent into darkness and attempted genocide, resulting in his commitment to the Elba II asylum for the criminally insane.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:57 a.m. CST

    So this is a crossover with the avengers then?

    by nephilim138

    Villain is a loki clone, world destroyed, blah, blah.

  • Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before. I'm sure this'll be great. However it better we worthy of spending big budget on a Star Trek to do an seemingly earth set story when it should be about the Final Frontier. SPACE!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:58 a.m. CST

    grinspoom, you just posted exactly what I was going to

    by rev_skarekroe

    Earth Trek indeed.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8 a.m. CST

    Are people really trying to use the accent as a clue?

    by BizarroJerry

    The Next Generation's lead character was a French guy with a British accent.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST

    More Garth reference: "epic chess game"

    by HornOrSilk

    As our heroes are propelled into an epic chess game of life and death, love will be challenged, friendships will be torn apart, and sacrifices must be made for the only family Kirk has left: his crew.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST

    and heres why....

    by Gatsby Seeker

    Blonde girl...wears blue. Not Rand either Marcus or Dehner. She looks more like Marcus. IMPORTANT..this is TOS reboot NOT the movies reboot. So...if Khan then it is the episode being reimagined not ghe movie! Japanese glass scene.....that was Kirk doing a vulcan sign...so...new Spock in the vacuum chamber. It is Marcus that Kirk falls for....Kirk and Gary Mitchell had a little rivalry back in the academy days. She ultimately chose Kirk. Mitchell left angry to do special ops and Kirk eventually did what Kirk does....broke her heart and moved on. ok....so starfleet realizes ths roms and the borg (how could old Spo k keep the borg a secret?) are trouble...so they ressurect the eugenics program...super soldiers. They do so by amping up some starfleet guys like Kirks old pal and romantic rival Gary Mitchell out in the edge of space (the 'Darkness'). Finally after kicking ass for the feds the super soldiers decide to rule (cliche i know but this is old trek reboot....not WoK...but the TOS khan episode. Mitchell returns calling himself 'Khan ' and proceeds to get some revenge. Hd grabs Marcus

  • Well you get it. Garth.

  • Plus that blonde chick really looks like Dr. Dehner. I really hope they're going with that episode. If it were Khan, he'd need to get stranded, and stay stranded long enough to get angry, and seek revenge. And it would sort of ruin the chances of many films inspired by earlier Trek episodes. It might be Khan, I just hope it isn't.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:06 a.m. CST

    re: "Also, the person on the other side of the glass is boob-less."

    by buggerbugger

    Definitely Uhuru, then.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:07 a.m. CST

    It's Khan

    by Todd1700

    Unless this teaser is a deliberate misdirection by JJ then this footage clearly confirms the next film is a Khan reboot. "Returning to take his vengeance". Kirk and Spock's hand on the glass ala the Spock death scene in "Wrath of Khan". The character seems to have Khans super human strength. Unless he's just playing a joke on us then what else could you conclude from that trailer? Some have speculated about this being the Gary Mitchell story. But here we have a person "returning to take vengeance" and yet the initial events of that particular story have not even taken place in this reboot universe. Khan's back story on the other hand would be slightly altered in this time-line (no personal vendetta with Kirk) but he would still exist and be a vengeful outcast from Earth. Remember he has been in stasis on board the Botany Bay for a looong time. It would take a whole movie (or at least most of one) to tell the initial story of what happens to Gary Mitchell that makes him a threat and explain why he'd be pissed at Kirk. But the guy in this trailer is returning to take revenge on Earth like he already has a history. Just doesn't seem to fit the Gary Mitchell story. Also no way is this Spocks brother. He wasn't some ass kicking bad ass on a revenge mission against earth. He really didn't want to hurt anyone. He just used cult like mind control to get people to take him on a very specific mission. Besides there is no way they are going to reboot any part of Star Trek 5 which is without doubt the worst Trek film.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST

    I can't wait for the instant-classic scene where Kirk...

    by buggerbugger

    ...is left stranded and yells, "GAAARRRRRRRTH!" into his comms unit.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Flies in the the face everything Star Trek initially stood for

    by acroyear

    Wasn't Star Trek not supposed to be about explosions and action and over the top special effects??

  • I didn't know these big films were made so quickly.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:10 a.m. CST

    ...and further...

    by Gatsby Seeker

    ...he gets on the flagship, hides it in the ocean and tortures Kirk and crew to get Starfleet ship codes so he can crash the fleet into planets remotely. But Kirk and crew manage to get control breifly (thanks Carol) and bring Khan down to a volcanic planet in the hopes of humanely abandoning him there or at least doing a 'One Ring' to him. Big fight ensues.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:10 a.m. CST

    todd1700 -- there are indications of Khan, Mitchell AND Garth

    by HornOrSilk

    So JJ is clearly playing with the fans with the teaser. However, Garth is the one who fits the most, including the title -- "Into Darkness" seems to be taken from the Memory Alpha entry on him.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Relax guys I've figured it out. Cumberbatch is Grand Admiral Thrawn!!!

    by kindofabigdeal

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:12 a.m. CST

    I'm switching again, hornorsilk convinced me

    by David Duchovny

    Garth it is.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Off to find that episode

    by David Duchovny

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:13 a.m. CST

    0315715 - I agree, JJ Trek isn't the real Trek

    by HornOrSilk

    It fails as Trek. However, I still give the second one a chance, because I like Cumberbatch, and if I go in accepting it isn't real Trek, and if they improved story exposition so it isn't filled with plot holes, it could be enjoyable for what it is. But it isn't Star Trek. That's lost to JJ Trek. Fringe is more true to Star Trek than Star Trek which is... crazy.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:14 a.m. CST

    This must make Gene Roddenberry proud!!!

    by acroyear

    A big special effects action movie!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:15 a.m. CST

    You're right, 0315715

    by waslah

    This totally flies in the face of everything Star Trek stood for. We have big action set pieces, intense excitement, characters we like and relate to all that dumb crap. Star Trek is only supposed to be about teaching moral lessons to children on saturday morning television!...and Tribbles! How dare they not give us those things!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:17 a.m. CST

    The Villian is Sybok.

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    He blames Spock for Vulcan's distruction. Sybok's rage has increased his TK ability, and no longer seeks to find "God", but now thinks that he is a "God", and plans on making a new Vulcan.

  • film looks great too, don't let me down with high hopes mr trailer man!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Sybok

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    I love him

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Forgive the silly question

    by Kevin

    But what is all this talk about the glass shot? I ask only because it's been years since I've seen the Khan stories and don't remember.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:23 a.m. CST

    No doubt it's Gary Mitchell. None.

    by Stallion_Cornell

    Read the comics commissioned by the writers. They introduce Gary Mitchell and have Kirk "kill" him. But he has godlike powers, so he's not dead - and he wants some revenge on Kirk. Easy peasy. Mitchell.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    what I know about JJ and why I won't be fooled again

    by Refrigerator_running

    Abrams is a great salesman. He makes great movie trailers, and the first ten minutes of the actual movie are always amazing. What do people talk about when they praise hr Trek? That first ten minutes. But that's all his movies are good for. Bob and Alex are also great ten minute men, but it takes more then the start of a first act to make a movie. <p> Mark my words, this fucker will look amazing, for the first ten minutes, but the plot will be rubbish, and it'll putter over the finish line. They'll be plenty for the haters to chew on <p> I'm keeping my money. Cool trailer though.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    And while I'm at it

    by Johnathan newport

    Bring on the muthafO.Okin Borg for the next movie.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    stallion_cornell -- what uses does Gary Mitchell have for.. a gun

    by HornOrSilk

    Of course, this is JJ Trek... It's possible it is him. He is one of the three possibilities. But Garth fits the best. Really.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:26 a.m. CST

    noth_spec - it looks like the death scene of Spock from WoK

    by HornOrSilk

    But looks can be deceiving.

  • And it really was a silly question, duh!

  • This seems to be the culmination of all of Roddenberry's hopes and dreams, especially the part about humankind's capacity for enlightenment and growth. I love that this trailer highlights the desire to extend beyond petty conflicts and racial tension to explore the universe. My faith in science fiction is restored. ;/

  • Cumberbatch has an excellent voice for this, too. Very reminiscent of Patrick Stewart.

  • Which is quite possible... and why it is one of the top three possibilities... but it doesn't read Khan to me... in any real sense of TOS connection.. which of course, as I've said, with JJ Trek is a bit meaningless..

  • Coz it makes me laugh each time i read it! BTW my money's on Benadict's character being Spocks pissed off brother.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Having not been a trekkie whatsoever...

    by Darkness

    I was simply taken by the 2009 "Star Trek", simply by it's sense of pure hokum, and unadulterated fun. Abrams has infused a new transitional move into Sci-Fi fantasy, that has long been long distant in cinema. Loved his "Mission: Impossible" - in my mind, the best of the lot. And gave us something quite retro and original in "Super 8"; except for the shitty monster ending. I would gladly hand this dude the keys to the "Star Wars" vaults - although one expects, he is tired of galaxies far, far away at this juncture. Will be there on opening weekend - even if it does feature Mr. Benedict Cucumberpatch. I have to admit, he looks pretty good here.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:38 a.m. CST

    I see the Inception trailer influence is still going strong.

    by Wcwlkr

    LOL it's not bad, I still loved that trailer, but I can see us being beat to death with that.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Eh

    by corplhicks

    dramatic music, violence and shit blowing up. Can't wait It's not Kirk/Spock at the glass. It's likely Spock and someone else-- Kirk wears Yellow

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:39 a.m. CST

    It's Khan because...

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    1.) He wants revenge for the death of his wife and for being exiled on a desert planet for 15 years by Capt. Kirk. 2.) Cumberbatch is seen wearing South Asian style clothing, just like the Indian Khan Noonian Singh did in "Space Seed" 3.) Cumberbatch is seen multiple times with his Botany Bay crew of "supermen". 4.) Alice Eve is a redhead just like Madlyn Rhue, the actor who played Khan's future wife Marla McGivers in "Space Seed" 5.) The plot synopsis says that the Enterprise crew is fighting an enemy from within their ranks and Khan has a long, looooong history with Starfleet. This is why he wears a Starfleet uniform in almost every shot he appears in. 6.) Multiple shots of a lava world, just like Ceti Alpha V, where Khan lived in Star Trek II.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Definitely makes it seem like he's linked to Khan's history.

    by Wcwlkr

    But unless they're starting years after the crew has done some missions alread. I'm not sure how you explain the history with Khan's Supermen. Especially when he says "I've returned for my revenge".

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Watching the Garth episode now

    by David Duchovny

    Kirk is talking a lot about how he studied Garth in the academy and admired him and his tactics. That could tie in nicely. Some great hammy Shatner in this ep. Think this is one I've only seen once. Barely remember it.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Fuckin' old-school Trekkies

    by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder

    You're all as bad as Bill O'Reilly whining about his imaginary Liberal "War on Christmas". Why don't any of you fuckers come right out and admit it ? For all of your posturing about Star Trek's "futurism" and it's leaving behind of mankind's failings, and your supposedly having learned a higher, wiser way of thinking from ST's "teachings", you all still ACT like religious fanatics; ST isn't CANON to you clowns, it's GOSPEL: "It has to be THIS way, or I'M ANGRY ! There is no place in our world for The Heretic Abrams! WAAAH !!!"

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Benedict Cumberbatch is...here me out on this.

    by EleanorofAquitaine

    Kirk's brother, George Samuel (Sam), from TOS episode "Operation: Annihilate!" 1. This movie will be about family. All tentpoles are these days. 2. The Japanese trailer makes it clear that the movie is about family. 3. Cumberbatch taunts Kirk about his "family". 4. The Paramount description of the movie talks about Kirk saving "the only family he has left: his crew", implying that there is something gone wrong with his own family. 5. Sam Kirk was introduced into the 2009 movie, but the scenes cut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38M_Rw_Lx10&noredirect=1 6. The hands at the end are not a new version of the end of the Khan movie, but a visual homage to that movie. The hands are actually Kirk and Sam. It will be a reconciliation at death scene. 7. The poster has Cumberbatch standing over a devasted London. Where did Sam go, when he left his trailer park home in Iowa in the 2009 movie? Why not London? Where he joins Starfleet, and becomes (somewhow) embittered. All that explains Cumberbatch's accent and the London setting of the poster. 8. The funeral scene at the beginning of the trailer will be for Sam (who was in Starfleet, remember) but who has been redeemed by the end of the movie.

  • It's the Trouble With Tribbles storyline.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Another evil Gay dude, who speaks Shakespearian...

    by BNITT

    ...and looks like he could hardly hurt a tadpole. Star Trek needs better villians.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:42 a.m. CST

    at time 0:52 seconds

    by corplhicks

    The enterprise is not rising out of water-- it look like it's crashing into water saucer down splashing water as it goes across the water, making a wave. Hand on glass is slow moving and likely a death scene.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Hate the look of Jar Jar's Enterprise

    by tritium

    TOS Enterprise was classic. And the retrofitted Enterprise from the Motion Picture is the all time best. Not even close. Jar Jar's Enterprise looks like the design from a juvenille artist into hot rods, or something that Orange County Chopper would make if they were starship fitters.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    No one here is angry except you, half-baked-goggle-box-do-gooder.

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    I'd be thrilled if Into Darkness had nothing at all to do with TOS and Cumberbatch's character was wholly original.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:46 a.m. CST

    He's clearly playing "Spunkulon"

    by McGuphin

    He was in the background of Star Trek the Motion Picture during the briefing.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    EVIL KIRK! That's what I'm feelin'.

    by Yotz Von Frelnik

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    The Pendulum has swung the other way. . .

    by Ingeld

    The first ST movie was dubbed the motionless picture--not much action. Now all we are going to get is action. It is a sad commentary on our attention spans that all we are looking for is action porn.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:01 a.m. CST

    I think "Where no Man has gone before"

    by Himbo

    only for the reason that the cute blonde is styled much like Sally Kellerman was in the original trek series.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Cumbersnatch plays Finnegan!

    by Ingeld

    Come on Jimmy boy!

  • I really enjoyed Pine's Kirk performance from the first Trek. So I'm really looking forward to this.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Khan't wait ...

    by Jayeskimo

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST

    PS

    by Jayeskimo

    Its Khan ;)

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    mcguphin: was it really called that?! That's awesome if it was.

    by UltraTron

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST

    easy way for it to be khan, but not khan and not break canon

    by percane

    Khan was only one of the supermen created during the eugenics war. given how distrust of governments has become a theme today, here's my theory: one (or more) of Khan's superhuman brethren was imprisoned at the end of the eugenics war and placed in suspended animation. remember, Khan said he was only one of the princes. now, after nero destroyed half of starfleet, and the federation is worried about the romulans, maybe they decide to wake up their superman and use him to create an army of super soldiers. if they really want to tie it to continuity, it could even be one of the supermen from the enterprise episodes with dr noonien soong. i think there will be a khan connection of some sort, though not khan himself, AND i think the blonde in the trailer giving kirk the eye is carol marcus, and to the person who said the hands at the end of the japanese trailer were kirk and his brother, the hand was clearly doing the vulcan live long and prosper sign.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Super cheesy cliche villian monologue, AND...

    by Laughing Boy

    ... ship rising from the water is a Yamato / Star Blazers rip. No more excited for this than I was yesterday, and my plan is still to boycott this in the theaters after that insult to Star Trek and science fiction the Bad Robot team gave us three years ago.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST

    BBWWWWAAANNNNGGGGGGGGGGG

    by twogunjames

    There is that damn noise again. Transformers. Prometheus. Star Trek. It makes the rounds in it's various tones and pitches, doesn't it?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Benedict Cumberbatch's costume.

    by Matthew Smith

    His jacket has same ribbed collar as Montalban's in Star Trek 2.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Khan, or Gary, or whatever has nice hipster hair.

    by CodeName

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST

    laughing boy

    by David Duchovny

    Awwww. And I was gonna give you a hand job in the dark. You make me sad and lonely with your absence.

  • But what do I know?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Khan sucks without his 15 year exile and dead wife.

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    That burning hate of Kirk building for two decades and then bursting into all out war. If you divorce Khan from that he just becomes another Trek psychopath and is BORING.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST

    they got picard to do the voice over?

    by walt

    this looks like shite the adhd version of trek

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Family

    by jemagee

    Or maybe you're over reaching and the 'family' thing is the crew of the enterprise - they are his family

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Soran doesn't make much sense.

    by Royston Lodge

    Ok, so in the Star Trek Prime timeline Soran and Guinan's planet is destroyed by The Borg, long before Starfleet has even heard of The Borg. Later, at the very very end of Kirk's career, Soran is briefly sucked into the Nexus, decides he likes it, and spends the better part of a century figuring out a way to get back in, leading to the events of Generations. He never felt any ill will against Starfleet or The Federation in the Prime timeline. What would be changed in the Abrams timeline to change that? I suppose it's possible Spock Prime tried to warn Starfleet about The Borg early, so that preparations can be made, and then Starfleet fucks up and has a more direct role in Soran's planet's deminse. But I don't buy it. Plus, how can you have Soran without Guinan? I'm wracking my brain trying to think of TOS characters who might hold a grudge against Starfleet and/or The Federation, but I'm not coming up with any satisfying theories. Gary Mitchell does not seem to fit that criteria. The theory that it might be one of Khan's henchmen is plausible.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST

    What a poorly written 'article'

    by Transhuman

    You deleted Beaks for this trash?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Ships in the water

    by JerryAurora

    The first one rising out of the water does not look like the Enterprise, closer to standard size nacelles and more of a cylinder shaped body. The second shot near the end does look like Enterprise hitting water, with the large saucer section clearly visible. The first ship would seem to fit closer to older ship models, like the Daedalus class ships. This would fit more towards the Garth or Mitchell possibilities. The "NCC" is also visible as it rises out of the water, and the Botany Bay did not have that designation.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST

    tradeskilz ... kgb33

    by DrMorbius

    The circle of Life.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Problem with it being Mitchell....

    by Todd1700

    .....is that JJ has chosen to start his reboot at the moment this crew is first assembled onto the Enterprise. At present in this universe their history comprises of exactly one mission. There has been no mission on which an incedent transformed a crew member named Gary Mitchell into a potential threat. How can you have a character "return" seeking revenge that has yet to be introduced in this universe or altered by the events that made him dangerous? Khan on the other hand existed before there even was a starship Enterprise. Maybe the events of the last movie just alter how he comes out of stasis. Maybe in this universe it's not Kirk and the Enterprise that find him and his crew. But he would still be just as bent on revenge against the Earth.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST

    What if Cumberbatch is Charlie X and Alice Eve is Yeoman Rand?

    by Royston Lodge

    I don't believe that Yeoman Rand was in the first AbramsTrek, and Eve's hairstyle seems similar to Rand's.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST

    He's playing Gary Seven

    by Wcwlkr

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST

    I still wonder why people say it HAS to be Khan

    by HornOrSilk

    Khan it could be, as with Mitchell. Both, however, fail in many ways as with what we see. Khan isn't for revenge, he is for power until Kirk takes it from him. Even then, Khan only really went all-out revenge because of Kirk -- Kirk didn't check up on him, and in the process, his wife died. At the end of Space Seed, he was actually mollified and willing to take on the challenge, seeing it as befitting his station. But what happened AFTER is what caused his need for revenge. Which is why Khan doesn't really fit (except for the non-thinking, just name-check a villain kind of crowd, which JJ Trek accepts). Mitchell has no reason to desire revenge. Even if one takes the comics as canon, which has him "killed" by Spock and Kirk (a change from TOS) but turn out not alive, he could go Khan-like against Kirk, but why the Federation? Also, one would have to explain the need for the gun -- was the power only temporary and he is losing it? Perhaps. Garth still seems the best character fit.

  • Glean from that what you will.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST

    They are going to "kill" Kirk.

    by UltimaRex

    He's in the chamber this time...

  • And we already know Abrams likes the green chicks.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST

    To boldly go where The Wrath of Khan had gone before

    by RedLeaderStandingBy

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    CHAKA KHAN

    by DrMorbius

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    You can bet your ass that Spock Prime

    by David Duchovny

    Would have told Starfleet about Khan and The Borg and everything else he could think of. People on here seem to forget that. These characters can basically see much of the future.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Karl Urban's comments

    by JerryAurora

    When he said the villain was Gary Mitchell in that interview a while back, it was funny how he then later tried to say he was joking and such, and how JJ was really mad at him for talking. It actually reminded me when Kirsten Dunst was doing an interview prior to the Spiderman 3 trailer release and dropped the fact Venom was in the film. At that point, Raimi and Sony had tried to keep that aspect secret and was upset with Dunst for letting the cat out of the bag. I'm wondering if the same thing happened here, and now they are deliberately trying to make us think its Khan to hold up the 'surprise' of it being Mitchell.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Drink it in Asimovlives

    by JackSlater4

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST

    I NEVER KNEW STARSHIPS CAN FUCKING SWIM!!!

    by JuicyFruit

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Now THAT'S a Smaug voice!

    by D.Vader

    Or Necromancer. Either way, it gets me more excited for The Hobbit.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    THERE WERE NO FOSSIL FUELS IN THE 23RD CENTURY!!!

    by JuicyFruit

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    todd1700 - the Mitchell theory

    by HornOrSilk

    The theory is that the comics are canon, and they filmed the ending sequence from the comics (with Spock giving him a Vulcan Nerve Pinch allowing Kirk to shot him down) and that this will be seen at the start of the film. In other words, we will see the TOS story adventure redone (10 - 20 mins? sort of like the beginning of the first to get the character established). He is then thought of as being dead.... And in the comic, Dr. Elizabeth Dehner wasn't in it, which is why Spock had to do. So it explains why SHE might be in this... Of course, I think Garth is the best choice. Mitchell seems second. Khan (or Khan-related person) as third.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    kgb33

    by tradeskilz

    It was faster simply saying stereotype rather than listing the hundreds of ways your generation offends us all. And being an angry old man who's angry at "kids today" certainly doesn't bother me, as few generations before me has had more cause than mine to whine about the useless bums that are 90's kids. And for the record. Time didn't pass me by. I live it and enjoyed every minute of it. Can you honestly say the same?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    They already said who Cumberbatch is playing.

    by Mostholy

    Severus Gruber. See interview here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnyrFJda7i0

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST

    pretentious-rr-douchebag

    by HornOrSilk

    I've wondered what Spock Prime would or would not do. I've also wondered if there might be some sort of time-travel cold war going on as a result of his existence (creating Future Guy from Enterprise). Spock Prime had to decide what he could and what he could not reveal. I mean, you would think he would warn them about Khan, the Borg, the Dominion, etc. And you would think he would give them the technology he knows to deal with them all. On the other hand, he might think it is too risky, too. What if he gives knowledge and advice to the wrong person, who then uses it to their own advantage?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST

    so who is the guy running with kirk in the red stuff?

    by Jason

    Just a random redshirt? He has dark hair, but it's hard to tell from stopping frames.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Wait, so BEAKS had an article on this deleted by Harry too?

    by D.Vader

    Is this true? Can it be confirmed? If true, Jesus Christ Harry, show some self-control and respect toward your editors! And just like the Kidd, I don't even like Beaks!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST

    What could they possibly be going after inside of a volcano?

    by David Duchovny

    Could be a good clue. Any geologists on here?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Hand on Glass Scene: Spock is on the outside...

    by Joe Cranford

    Spock is in the blue shirt on the outside of the glass, making a healthy-handed Vulcan greeting. My guess is it's Kirk on the inside of the glass. Sacrificing his life... and presumably, cheating death. The lead-up in the Japanese trailer almost implies the opposite, but upon further review, Spock is not down. It's a tease. Well played.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Volcano

    by HornOrSilk

    Could just be a "cool hiding place." Or it could be a place where Garth takes his victims to torture them, to play mind games on them...

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    jsn

    by David Duchovny

    Thought it was Bones at first, but now freeze framing it, it looks like a short, fat, asian guy.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    The bad guy is obviously Harry Mudd

    by I_Snake_Plissken

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Spock Prime

    by Joe Cranford

    ...would've told Starfleet about Khan, the Borg, etc? Would that have been logical? No.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk

    by David Duchovny

    Good points. Guess I need to watch Enterprise now. That theme song turned me off and I hated most of Voyager, so I never watched it.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Its just a douchey move, Harry.

    by D.Vader

    Just add to existing stories. Stop hogging the limelight.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Where is AssPickleLives ...

    by DrMorbius

    er, I mean scirocco ... surely he's finished *tending* his goats for the day ... although he does keep #1 (Riker) in reserve for extra cold nights!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST

    pretentious-rr-douchebag though I know of "Future Guy"

    by HornOrSilk

    I admit, I've only watched a few Enterprises. I saw the first, so I know of him, but apparently he was killed off and the time war ended. Nonetheless, with Spock Prime going back in time, that could change the outcome of the war and bring it back. Nonetheless, if they really want to go that route, they could use this movie to explain who Future Guy is and it would be interesting if it were someone like Mitchell or Garth. Garth would be exceptionally cool, in fact.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    pretentious-rr-douchebag I also disliked most of Voyager

    by HornOrSilk

    To me, the ST series in ranking goes: DS9 TOS TNG Enterprise Voyager I only saw some Enterprise. It seemed like meh but meh is better than Voyager. TOS/DS9 are always a toss-up. I think DS9 is better as a whole, but one has to give props to TOS for what it started.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST

    I'm on the inside, Spock's Lookin' in

    by T

    Who knows the rest of the lyrics? ;-P

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    could simply be charlie x

    by Gatsby Seeker

    Same set up but more badass than whiney. Would intro Janice Rand nicely....

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Hints that this could be a Khan story

    by Kikstad

    The line that he says he has "returned" and will have his revenge makes me think this is J.J. Abrams take on "Wrath of Khan." And the last shot in the Japanese teaser of Kirk touching someone's hand through a pane of glass is an obvious homage to the classic climactic scene between Kirk and Spock at the end of "Wrath of Khan."

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Looks like Space Advenutre in Space movie!

    by Castor Grayson

    Not Star Trek But it looks well made and probably fun. But it's not Star Trek.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST

    The First 9 Minutes attached toThe Hobbit, ONLY in IMAX will be

    by ButterNipples

    The raid on The Botany Bay.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Must be Kirk's brother

    by tetraquad

    1) JJ planned this all along; only reason to explain the weird 3-second cameo of George Samuel in the first movie 2) The last line in the Japanese version fits

  • The Genesis device changed how he looks, made him younger, and sent him back in time. He ended up going through Star Fleet Academy and became an officer. All so he can finally take out Star Fleet as vengeance against Kirk.... Yes... that's time. Time Traveling Khan from the future sent back into the altered past all so he can get at Kirk one more time. Yes. That's it. derp derp derp

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Signs pointing to Mitchell

    by DougMcKenzie

    Giving the Blonde the EXACT SAME haircut as Dr. Dehner from WNMHGB seems to be a strong indicator that it is Mitchell. I was thinking the return and vengence was pointing to Khan, but the IDW comic's killing off of Mitchell has that making line more sense now. Also IDW published comics that led directly into STXI, showing Spock's attempt to stop the Supernova. Maybe those new IDW comics are leading directly into In to Darkness.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    It's Gary Mitchell.

    by Nautilus_nrm1

    The ship in the water is probably the U.S.S. Valiant.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Returned from where and have his revenge for what?

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    to kikstad

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST

    How original.

    by ObiBen

    Another 2h vehicle to demo innovations in 3D particule generation softwares.

  • http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Countdown_to_Darkness,_Issue_1

  • She and Mitchell don't have to be connected in the films..... and in the comics, they weren't. The problem with Mitchell is the vengeance aspect. It doesn't fit his character. But again, this is JJ Trek, and he can throw it all out the window if he wants.

  • This movie takes place almost a century before Picard was even born, and Shinzon was created decades after that. Unless they bring more stupid bullshit time travel into it. Plus, now that Tom Hardy's a big name actor, it would be retarded to have a different actor play the same character now. If they were going to bring Shinzon/Picard into it, they would have simply cast Hardy. The Sybok theory makes a little more sense, except that Sybok was a full-blooded Vulcan, so he'd have unambiguously pointy ears, not simply 'sorta a little bit pointy' ears. I think Gary Mitchell is still the leading candidate for me, despite the British accent (which does sound remarkably like Patrick Stewart, I have to admit). What if, in this timeline, Mitchell somehow was to come into contact with The Borg? Imagine a Borg with supernatural powers.

  • 0:27 to 0:43. Seriously. (Alice Eve's screaming O-face didn't help matters, either.) That said: I guess I'm still holding out for more, since I'm not sure what to think about this movie based on this trailer. Full of sound and fury, signifying...what?

  • I'm so swishy... I'm starting to believe it IS Garth. I don't really care. It's just something to piss some time away on.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST

    obi-wanshin-obi if it is Mitchell

    by HornOrSilk

    My guess is he is not as powerful as he was in WNMHGB -- especially if he is "resurrected" after being taken down by Kirk. So maybe he needs a gun after all. However, I still think Garth is the best fit.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Remember when Star Trek was about exploring the galaxy?

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    What is this shit? This looks like a bunch of explosions. Matrix 4?!!

  • Benicio could have played Sybok, Khan, or Joachim, or of course a new character, but not Gary Mitchel, or any of the other preexisting characters that have been mentioned. Again, I'm assuming the role Benicio walked away from is the one that went to Cumberbatch.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST

    lox4444 -- Benicio could easily have done Garth

    by HornOrSilk

    And as this is JJ Trek, he could even play Yeoman Rand if they wanted

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Honorsilk

    by DougMcKenzie

    I wonder if those issues might illustrate Mitchell's resurrection. Also one question I have is if it is Mitchell or the entity wanting revenge. Personally I hated the possession by a q-like entity RETCON of WNMHGB. I much preferred it as a philosophical tale of ultimate power corrupting a man. Don't ascribe the evil to an outside power. Show that it is actually within us.

  • ...and I've read that they deal with Khan-style supermen at some point in the show (I've only seen the final episode of the series for the TNG elements), can anyone tell me if Cumberbatch could be an out-of-control attempt by Starfleet to recreate Khan-type people. Is there anything that ENT did to fuck with that possibility? That is the only Khan-related story that I could see working.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST

    dougmckenzie if it is Mitchell

    by HornOrSilk

    I expect they would do so. Or they might leave the villain without a name, and just show him rising to power somewhere, keeping everyone in suspense. I can see them trying that. And if it is Mitchell, I think it will end up making him Mitchell-Khan.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Margot - the possibilities are endless

    by Kikstad

    If it's Khan, return from the past and revenge for whatever Starfleet did to ruin his megolomaniacal plans from before. If it's Mitchell, this could be "what happens next" after he was presumed killed. If it's Garth, this could be the mayhem he unleashed when his ship returned refusing his genocidal orders and what eventually led them to place him in an asylum. Lots of possibilities, and J.J. Abrams can play with any or all of them for this alternate universe reboot version. I love it.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST

    He's time travelling King Tribble.

    by Pat

    Or the salt sucking alien chick's brother. Those are the only two that haven't been covered yet.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST

    The more I think about it, the less I think Cumberbatch is Khan

    by AlienFanatic

    I think JJ's screwing with us once again. While the voiceover is ominous and SOUNDS like something Khan would say, Cumberbatch still maintains his British accent. He doesn't even affect an Indian accent. The brief cut with Kirk and Spock's hands has GOT to be a red herring designed to evoke Star Trek 2, but I can't possibly believe that Abrams would attempt to re-do that scene. I'm betting that the actual scene is either a) in a completely different context or b) absent from the final film, and was only intended for use with the trailer as a misdirection. I don't know who Cumberbatch is playing, but the more I think about it the more I lean away from Khan.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Watch 1:00 into Japanesse Trailer

    by ForgetTheMoney

    the red lighting on the Enterprise is very reminiscent of Wrath of Khan when Enterprise was hit by Khan's missile attack...almost same shot of Kirk....perhaps like the hand shot, a wink pointing to Khan?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST

    KLINGONS

    by salamimansam

    You guys notice there is a Klingon in htere? The shot of the guy getting face-kicked, the kickee is wearing an Abrahms era Klingon helmet

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST

    kikstad -- and we know, in TOS's Garth

    by HornOrSilk

    Garth said very clearly he wanted to punish his former crew. In other words, he clearly likes to take vengeance...

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST

    TOS Fanboys/girls

    by 6 DEMON BAG

    What a bunch of little whiners....go play with your Trek doll errr action figures and troll troll away..your all very funny/sad to read.. Abrahms Trek very good and this looks to be great mind-candy as well.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Why does it need to be a known villain?

    by WeylandYutani

    I thought the whole idea of the reboot was to allow the creative team to come up with new, interesting, characters and situations. Why invite the inevitable comparrison to Montalbán or Lockwood? And BTW, if the new antagonist is Gary Mitchell, who cares of he is British? What does it matter? The details of this ST time line are different than what we saw in TOS. For example, in the first reboot film, the Enterprise was built in Iawa instead of San Francisco and Chekov apears as part of the bridge crew from even before Kirk's tenure as captain instead of being promoted part way through Kirk's first five year mission.

  • Has similarities to the poster

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    @margot_tenenbaum: in broad strokes...

    by Bill C.

    ...the "augments" we saw in ENT were the brainchild of one Dr. Arik Soong, who raised them from embryos in defiance of Starfleet while claiming that genetically enhanced humans wouldn't necessarily turn out to be Khans. Naturally, one of his "children" had just enough Khan in him to prove him wrong. That's as far as it went in-series, but since ENT also established that Section 31 existed at the same time...even discounting the alternate timeline aspects, there's room for some sort of wild-card Starfleet genetics experiment gone mad. I wouldn't put it past Team Abrams, either.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    by JJruinedTrek

    It's Lore. Starfleet killed his father and now he's using the Crystaline Entity to destroy fucking everyone. Also, for those that say this is Trek, Roddenberry would have been pissed if he saw this Trek or the 2009. He didn't even like Deep Space 9. He made TOS and TNG the way he wanted and the point was to give people hope. Anyone ever noticed how every episode starts with everything being cool, the problem/villain coming about, and then everything being wrapped up neatly and positively at the end? It's because he wanted to show people that there was a positive future free of prejudice and greed and everything negative in this world. That's a fact, that's not an opinion. Abrams has created a dark, edgy popcorn movie. And they're good, they're very entertaining and well made. But he's missing the point of Roddenberry's vision badly. There's no hope, no positive message from these movies. The only message is that big balls, charisma, and a sharp tongue will get you promoted from cadet to captain in a flash!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    One more piece of pro-Garth evidence...

    by FusionAddict

    Both Kirk and XXXX are seen in their black undershirts with no departmental tunic. That would indicate they're going to recreate a scene from Whom Gods Destroy...where Garth shapeshifts into Kirk, they tussle, and both claim to be the real Kirk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbENViWbu3w

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Ok wait nevermind

    by Jackson

    Cumberbatch probably is Gary Mitchell, not Khan. What probably is gonna happen is this: The enterprise is flying in space and everyone is happy. Kirk meets that Alice Eve character and the ships doing great boldly going and so forth. Gary Mitchell and Kirk are friends by the way. That storm comes and Gary's stuck in a room. Kirk tries to get him out but he can't and Gary because one of the blue glowy eyed scary mofos. then Gary mitchell disappears, they think he's dead, he comes out of that weird orange glowy thing (showed in the trailer) and is all "I will have my vengeance!".

  • That would be something

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Ship in water is not NCC-1701.

    by Royston Lodge

    The water obscures the number, but the first digit is pretty clearly not a 1.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Spock dies in the first ten minutes.

    by Raptor Jesus

    Just kidding. But it would be cool. Not a big Quinto fan.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    NERD-GASM! I know where I'll be May 17, 2013.

    by Buck Turgidson

    That last shot was awesome!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    BRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHMMMMSS!!!

    by MariusXe

    Thats all. Inception

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Maybe it's Apollo from "Who Mourns for Adonais".

    by Cotton_Mcknight

    You know, Apollo comes back and wreaks havoc on the world because people have learned to live without the Gods. And the ship in the ocean? That's Poseidon's handiwork. That lets you know that shit just got real and they mean business.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST

    The Hands/Glass...

    by Read and Shut Up

    ...are reminiscent of the Trek II ending when Spock bought it, and Kirk couldn't get to him. Maybe this indicates of them is going on some kind of suicide mission...either way, the trailer looks incredible.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Thank you redshirt_24

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    That's the kind of answer I was looking for.

  • I like the Japanese cut much better -- those final shots, with the voiceover and music, are great! It's an obvious homage to Wrath of Khan and maybe Abrams thought it was too heavyhanded (pun intended) for American audiences, making us assume the villain will be Khan. I hope there are no more spoilers -- I want to see this film and see the plot unravel in the theaters. But I fear the nine-minute sneak peak will spoil any surprises left.

  • The IDW comic book version was pretty uncomplicated and streamlined

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Peter Weller plays John Frederick Paxton

    by David Duchovny

    on Enterprise. Anyone know if he's playing the same guy in this one? Anyone know who this character is and what he might tie into in the trailer? I've never watched Enterprise.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    @royston_lodge: check the Japanese trailer in 1080p at 0:34.

    by Bill C.

    The lens flare fucks it up, but for a literal split second you can make out "170."

  • Its a blue shirt on the outside. Its a black shirt on the inside.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST

    I dont know Paxton, but here is the answer

    by HornOrSilk

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/John_Frederick_Paxton John Frederick Paxton was a Human who served as chief administrator of the Orpheus Mining Colony on Luna. Paxton also led the xenophobic movement Terra Prime, a radical faction which advocated that all non-Humans be expelled from Earth, as well as the entire Sol system.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Why has no one guessed

    by Darth_Simonz

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:03 a.m. CST

    David Marcus?...

    by Adam

    Could BC be playing a pissed off, time-travelling David Marcus? Hence the 'family' comment? But my good money is still on Gary Mitchell.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Future Guy?

    by Darth_Simonz

    Seriously who the hell was he? We never found out thanks to Enterprise tanking. He sure sounded like he had a "brit" accent. Who knows who he could be and what axe he has to grind with the Federation. Makes sense to me.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST

    darth_simonz

    by HornOrSilk

    I have brought him up a few times...

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    redshirt_24: Yeah, I think you're right. Right at 0:33.

    by Royston Lodge

  • The 80's are dust, gents. Let it go.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Excuse me while I convert the 1080p trailer into 2,300 png files...

    by Royston Lodge

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Gary Mitchell wants vengeance because...

    by Bill Clay

    ...Kirk left him buried under that boulder on that planet at the edge of the universe. He's got to be pretty pissed off now that he got his powers back and came all the way back to Earth.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Kirk dies in this one, not Spock...

    by paladinryan

    I think that's what the hands on the glass means.

  • It will take years to eradicate the JJ taint.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST

    ATTN: Nerds RE: "This isn't STAR TREK"

    by Mikey Wood

    Um... ...yes it is. See? At the end of the teaser there? The words STAR and TREK? That indicates, to me, anyway, that this IS, in fact, STAR TREK. If you so passionately feel otherwise, here's a novel idea: Don't see it.

  • From the comments above, and on other websites, it really does begin to fit with the vibe of the trailer, the massive amount of destruction, and the fact that Eve's character on IMDB still hasn't been named. I could really get behind Charlie X as a protagonist. (I'm less convinced about Garth, though, especially in light of the speculation around Rand.)

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    It's Holodeck Moriarty!!

    by Adam

    ...Sherlock as Moriarty? Hell yeah.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    i09 Has a Frame-By-Frame Breakdown...

    by Read and Shut Up

    ...and it's pretty compelling: http://io9.com/5966160/all-the-clues-and-easter-eggs-from-the-star-trek-into-darkness-teaser-trailer

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    I swallowed The Empire Strikes Back and Star Trek The Next Generation whole

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    and I really hate sci-fi that is thinly veiled violence porn, unless they deal with it in the characterization like in the first couple seasons of the new Battlestar Galactica. I really feel that here should never, ever be a Star Trek series about tactical forces or creepy intelligence arms like Section 31. I'll take 30 Abrams electro-Trek films than one about secret Starfleet assassination teams. That's what I meant re: "bullshit militarism"

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    DVader

    by Kikstad

    Regarding the hands scene, no confusion. Whichever characters they are, the shot itself is reminiscent of the classic scene in Wrath of Khan. I think it's an intentional homage -- still no proof that this is a Khan story, but clearly a little nod to Star Trek II.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Star Trek: Blue Period

    by NotEnoughBiehn

    They're teaching some garbage color theory out there these days.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Or . . . maybe it's . . . Kodos the Executioner on Tarsus IV.

    by kabong

    AKA Anton Karidian.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Or . . . Liutenant-Commander

    by kabong

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Ben Finney from "Court Martial" TOS.

    by kabong

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST

    BWAAAAAAAN

    by TakeItEasyMon

    So.... another Inception horn-blast trailer. We will have an entire generation of impressionable geeks turned into Pavlovian dogs every time they hear the BWAAAAAAAN horn blast.

  • JJ Trek

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Lore?

    by Adam

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST

    I don't believe Alice Eve is playing Yeoman Rand.

    by Royston Lodge

    In one shot in the trailer, Eve is clearly wearing a blue medical/science tunic. Yeoman Rand was always a red shirt kinda gal.

  • JJ Trek

  • Have they created a MacTalk version of Majel Barrett's voice?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Spock was emotional several time in TOS.

    by Royston Lodge

    Usually due to an alien virus or Vulcan puberty, but it still happened.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Might be a character that wasn't evil on old Trek-verse

    by Adam

    Benedict told Trek Movie: ''He is very ruthless. He is not a clearly good or evil character. He is a villain but the actions he takes has intent and reason. ''He is a complicated character not to be judged by white-or-black, or good-or-evil."

  • But only sorta.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST

    royston lodge that's different from embracing

    by HornOrSilk

    The whole point of my comment is that the characters and their histories are not going to be the same. JJ Trek doesn't give a damn about how they were in the original. They want it different. So if they want Rand practicing medicine, they have Rand practicing medicine. However, it's likely she is Elizabeth, and she had a former fling with McCoy, which is why McCoy is upset with her flirting with Kirk. And if it is Elizabeth, doesn't mean Mitchell has to be in it...

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST

    So that´s the voice of SMAUG...

    by Chanoc

    I like it!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Can't Cumberbatch just play someone entirely NEW?

    by D.Vader

    I don't understand why everyone wants to see a bigscreen adaptation of an old foe instead of just something new. Especially since this is a whole new series.

  • Full circle, after a fashion. And it'd be kind of creepy if they went all copy-paste-edit with Majel's voice or something.

  • Equals me so not seeing this piece of garbage EVER. Again. JJ. Dick-nose fucking put the BEASTIE BOYS in STINO. End of argument RE STINO's "wild popcorn ride."

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST

    d.vader

    by HornOrSilk

    Whether or not it should be someone new, JJ Trek has said it is someone from the old canon...

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Can't See Them Killing Off McCoy

    by Real Deal

    Blowing up Vulcan is one thing eliminating a basic part of the trilogy and the best interpretation of the old characters would be a huge mistake and really wouldn't go over well with anyone. I also agree that after all of this hype replacing Khan with un unknown character wouldn't have the same punch ( and hasn't Cumberbatch altready said his chararacter was an iconic one? ). No matter who he plays I'm sure Cumberbatch will be great! Can't wait for this!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Gary Mitchell wasn't evil.

    by Royston Lodge

    My money's still on Mitchell. The scene at the beginning looks like a Starfleet funeral with the 'missing man' formation of the craft flying overhead. Maybe the hands on glass are Kirk and Mitchell, in a flashback, where Mitchell appears to die, and the funeral is for Mitchell. One of the themes of the original movies was about how Kirk never had to face death, since he cheated on the Kubayashi test, etc. Maybe that's where they're coming from with the Mitchell story-line. Then Mitchell comes back, somehow, to get his revenge. Maybe his latent psionic abilities manifested themselves through resurrection. Abrams has always said he was more of a Star Wars fan. The explanation for psionics from Where No Man Has Come Before (which was never used again in any Trek series) is the closest Star Trek's ever come to The Force. All the stuff about 'esper ratings' is pretty similar to Midichlorians.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Garth isn't "evil," he is just insane

    by HornOrSilk

    So again, he fits the description. And it is quite possible someone or something is fueling his insanity -- if Paxton is in it, then he could have found the insane Garth and convinced him that the Federation, and the aliens in it, have done him harm and so he wants revenge.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    It's Future Guy from Enterprise...

    by Darth_Simonz

    In this time line the "Abramsverse" Future guy might know that the timeline has been altered. His plans were always to destroy the Federation. Kirk stopped Nero from doing that. The rummor according the the folks who wrote Ent stated that "Future Guy" was someone from the Star Trek universe that was never revealed. Oh well that's my two cents.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    If They Kill Off McCoy..........

    by Real Deal

    They'll have to bring him back like Spock. I just can't see him dying in a real sense. " What would you do for your family " sounds like someone ( McCoy or Spock they both wear blue ) may be captured and or threatened however.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    OK, maybe it's not Khan . . . maybe it's Joachim, Khan's pal.

    by kabong

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Or it's Khan's clone.

    by kabong

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    It's the son of Khan we never knew he had: Son of Khan.

    by kabong

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    I know who it is. It's.... Redshirt man.

    by HornOrSilk

    He is the accumulation of the psychic energy of every red-shirt man sent on a suicide mission. And he's angry.

  • Maybe the ship's computer will be voiced by Douglas Rain, and it'll beat Cumberbatch at chess.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Sybok?

    by Adam

    ...with vulcan ears removed?

  • It's not Sybok.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Lots of Trek films have been about revenge.

    by Smashing

    2, Khans revenge. 6, Kirks revenge. 8, Picards revenge. 9, Ru'Afos revenge. 10,Clone Picards revenge. 11,Neros revenge. People in the future be grudgy.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Khan with Gary Mitchell Powers perhaps?

    by nefarius1

    That would be crazy

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    my instincts say...

    by godhelpus

    Khan.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, noon CST

    just to mess with ya

    by Gatsby Seeker

    nurse chapel arrives And it is mirror universe picard Now in your best Takei voice: Oh my.....

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Oooooh, oooooh, it's Dr. Janice Lester . . .

    by kabong

    It is revealed that during their academy days, Dr. Lester and Captain Kirk were intimately involved; however, Lester's inability to achieve command of a starship, which she believes had to do with her gender, caused the two to drift apart.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Here's yet another reason why it's not Khan...

    by Mikey Wood

    ...this is STILL the same "universe" as the original series and films albeit altered by Nero's actions some twenty-some years prior. Khan Noonian Singh, as played by Ricardo Montalban, is STILL in stasis on the SS Botany Bay. Has been since 1996. THAT hasn't changed. So, if this turns out to to be Khan, it is a WOEFULLY miscast Khan.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    The nine minutes before The Hobbit...

    by Stallion_Cornell

    ... will be the filmed version of the first two issues of the Trek comic the writers commissioned, which constitute a beat-for-beat remake of "Where No Man Has Gone Before." It will be told all flashbacky and speeded up, condensing the episode into a much shorter time frame, and, because it's a recap of the second TOS pilot, fans will have no problem with it, and Abrams will get credit for respecting his source material. The writers have gone to great lengths to insist that the comics are canon. If so, why start the comics with a simple remake of the Gary Mitchell plot if it weren't going to have implications for the movie? It also provides a perfect red herring for the producers. "Look! Mitchell is dead! Can't be him, surely. (Wink, wink.)" Much like Spock's "death" at the beginning of TWOK during the Kobayashi Maru simulation. The comic remake only varies from the pilot in two key ways. First, they leave out Dehner, the Sally Kellerman chick, for no apparent reason. They also mention that she is an old flame of McCoy's. Setup for Dehner's arrival in the movie with a Kellerman haircut? Yes. Also, Spock stops Mitchell with a nerve pinch, which is consistent with the first stills we've seen from this production. The godlike Mitchell is presumed dead, but since he's, you know, God, he isn't dead. He's just pissed. He returns. Seeking vengeance on Kirk and Spock, who "killed" him. A one-man weapon of mass destruction. It all fits. The fact that he's British makes no difference. In this reality, Nero's machinations somehow moved the Mitchells to England before little Gary showed up. Honestly, the accent is such a minor nitpick - and it's certainly not Khan's accent. Khan makes no sense. Not an inside Starfleet guy; no reason for vengeance on Kirk in this continuity, and repeated, emphatic denials from everyone involved with the movie that Cumberbatch isn't Khan. The glass scene is clearly an homage to TWOK, but why does that mean Khan has to be the villain? Bond films have homages to earlier Bond films, but the appearance of the Connery-era Aston Martin in Skyfall didn't mean that Javier Bardem was playing Goldfinger. As for the other speculation - Soran? Sybok? Villains from the two absolutely worst Trek movies ever made? Really? There are legions of fans who insist the atrocity that is Star Trek V isn't canon. Who on earth would mine that dungheap for a classic villain? Garth of Izar is the only other possibility, but he's hardly godlike and not tied as personally to Kirk as Mitchell is. Given the Mitchell appearances in the comic, they seem to be laying the groundwork for Mitchell, who, as the featured player in the episode that started it all, has a more iconic status and a better revenge motive than Garth.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Well said.

    by Samuel Steamer

    This site is filled with alot of negative douche bags. Not all. But there are many.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST

    stallion_cornell -- you are assuming the villain has super-powers

    by HornOrSilk

    Garth is a genius, and he does have super-powers, too, powers which he might have explored more giving him a boost above normal human abilities (which one would expect with his powers, btw). I think Mitchell was revealed by Urban as a red herring -- and it was all done on purpose, just like the Khan-like nods. It's all done to divert. Of course, I think Mitchell is the second best possibility, but Garth still fits what we see here: from personality, clothing styles, to the revenge motive and tactical genius.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Weller plays a CEO (confirmed)

    by David Duchovny

    Who has found Khan and thawed him out to be the leader of a mercenary army. Corporations are evil as you know, and it's a ripe time to shit on them in Star Trek.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    And of course, Kirk DOES have a personal connection with Garth

    by HornOrSilk

    That was also shown in the TOS episode. This was, in many respects, Kirk's hero.

  • Star Trek Vl certainly wasn't about exploration, and that's one of the best. And it's dark.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    stallion_cornell FTW

    by Royston Lodge

    Best ... summation ... ever ...

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST

    command colors

    by Himbo

    Sure Rand wore red in TOS, as did Uhura. Anybody see them in command? Blue indicates training in science or medicine. Why not make Rand a scientist? My bet is still Sally Kellerman. Wonder if we will see TNG species introduced in JJATrek movies. Talk of Blue made me think of Jadzia Dax.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST

    It's Mr. Badex Position

    by ObiBen

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Mitchell would be cool

    by Himbo

    if they just treated his intro as a 'past adventure' and didn't retread the story itself.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Deterioration of art and society

    by Laserhead

    In order for this Star Trek to be emblematic of a "deterioration of art or society", it would have to either be art, a member of society, or one of its governing bodies. It is none of those things.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    All those saying it is Mitchell and yet it can't be Rand we see...

    by HornOrSilk

    Why would Mitchell be wearing a BLUE uniform, hmm?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    It's like a geometry proof...

    by Pope Flick

    ...and the answer is Garth. It is not Khan because: he wearing a starfleet uniform. That leaves Mitchell or Garth. Note the super power jump in the scene against the blink and you miss them klingons. That's not Mitchell's powers, which are telekinetic in nature. Garth of Izar is a mangled human who was given shape shifting abilities by an alien race he then tried to destroy. That works here. The main issue is there's no backstory left from the first film to establish who would want revenge. Both Mitchell and Garth fit the 'revenge' factor, and the family factor. The best Mitchell argument that I can see is the they seem to be playing him and Kirk as around the same age, which would fit better. Also, where is McCoy and Chekov? Nurse Chapel?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    I'm still leaning toward the Picard clone theory, here's why...

    by American Mythos

    ... The Klingon that Cumberbatch is fighting could be a prison guard on Rura Penthe. Cumberbatch could have been another Romulan attempt to clone Picard, discovered and taken in as a child by Nero around the time of Romulus' destruction. When they go back in time and are captured by Klingons, Nero could have looked after Cumberbatch during their 25 years on Rura Penthe, educating him on the evils of the Federation. Cumberbatch may have been instrumental in helping Nero escape, perhaps sacrificing his own freedom so that Nero could have his revenge on Vulcan and Earth. But Kirk killed Nero. Why else is Cumberbatch doing a spot on impression of Patrick Stewart. Cumberbatch doesn't speak that way naturally, it's deliberate.

  • There ya go.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    @hornorsilk Cumberbatch is wearing the black undershirt part of the uniform

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    We don't see him in blue at all.

  • Happens all the time.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Gary Mitchell would not be using a weapon, I think

    by Ye Not Guilty

    In one of the scenes, BC can be using using/holding what appears to be some kind of weapon. What use would a weapon be to Gary Mitchell? Mitchell don't need no stinkin' weapons. I think this trailer is evidence that BC is not playing Mitchell.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    smudgewhat and they copied the Wok death scene...

    by HornOrSilk

    Again, doesn't prove anything.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    I'm still leaning towards the Horta

    by HornOrSilk

    Why else a lava-world? See how that works?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST

    ye not guilty if it is Mitchell

    by HornOrSilk

    It could be his powers have weakened in his "return." We don't know how long they would last, anyway. Maybe in preserving his life, he used up a lot of his powers and he now is "weaker." We don't know.

  • He was the prototype starship captain. That makes him Kirk's "father" and the prime directive for Orci is ffffffffffamily.

  • WHO THE FUCK IS SHINZON OR PICARD OR WHATEVER!?!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:41 p.m. CST

    A musical motif from TOS would have been way cooler

    by ReportAbuse

    ...than Inception again.

  • The masses have waited 10 long years for the return of Shinzon. Can you imagine what's going through Kirk's mind when Shinzon shows up and says I HAVE RETURNED FOR MY VENGEANCE! I can. WHO THE FUCK IS SHINZON OR PICARD OR WHATEVER!?!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    FOR THOSE SAYING EVIL PICARD - ARE YOU SUGGESTING ITS SHINZON???

    by J-Dizzle

    Though surely they would have hired Tom Hardy for the role... Plus how would you explain for the fact that he died from being impaled at the end of Star Trek Nemesis?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    I actually like JJ but that trailer sucked

    by ganymede3010

    Need to see more before I render a final judgement.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Re: Mitchell with weapon...

    by Stallion_Cornell

    In the canon comic that retells the "Where No Man Has Gone Before," Mitchell is "killed" by Kirk with a shot from a laser rifle. Certainly Mitchell wouldn't need to have the rifle, but a vengeance-y Mitchell could well be using one just for the poetic justice of turning the same weapon that killed him on his killers. The idea that this is Picard or Shinzon is really goofy, it seems to me. It requires a convoluted time travel subplot, and why does Picard or Shinzon need revenge on Kirk? And if it's Shinzon, why is anyone paying attention to the appalling ST: Nemesis now when they completely ignored it when it was foisted on us ten years ago?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    It's a second Shinzon that Nero was keeping in storage for the sequel.

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Shinzon worked in a Reman mine, Nero and the Romulans were miners and Cumberbatch's VO in the trailer sounds vaguely like Patrick Stewart, thus the villain of the new Star Trek film is a spare Romulan Picard clone.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Hey Harry, you're supposed to be a professional writer.

    by Jason

    So let's act like it, yeah? Show a little focus, dammit.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    The glass hands shot...

    by DocOpticus

    "I have been... and always shall be... your friend."

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Re: bs9999

    by CBU2029

    erm...James Cameron was the James Cameron of the 80s...

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    This seems like a lot of effort just to remake 'Spock's Brain'.

    by Christopher Bynum

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Cumberbatch is playing The Crow

    by Christopher Bynum

    Seeking vengeance for all of the redshirts killed in Star Trek.

  • So Mitchell is a 'no go' here, surely?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    i also admit i feel slightly overwhelmed by what i'm seeing

    by smudgewhat

    i mean visually it's quite enticing. but if the story arc is just blowing shit up and people screaming for 2 hours then... i dunno.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    i meant 'underwhelmed' actually

    by smudgewhat

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    You Mean Fanboys Can't Agree Who The Villain Is

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

    Over at Facebook and Youtube, the good and decent members of mainstream society have had no difficulty reaching a rapid agreement.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    I sincerely, with all my heart, hate to say this but...

    by Kremzeek

    These teasers do nothing for me. They are formulamatic and have no suspense or tension at all. Over all, they just feel "meh." And I am not saying the film will end up being "meh". I'm waiting to see it to judge that, but these trailers could be for any scifi actioner. Any at all. Boring. They need to expose a little more of what's actually happening. What am I looking foward to? I just don't see anything special here. Still looking forward to seeing it (and the ship coming out of the water was sweet looking), but these trailers are lacklustre to be sure. And the title is still stupid.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Re : lesbianna_winterlude Uh Huh

    by Real Deal

    I was just over at Youtube and you can see the same multiple theories you see here. So sorry but no.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Future Picard

    by Jay Retread

    (Young) Picard in the future finds out that the timeline has been screwed with. Results in his family/crew being killed. Travels back in time to set things straight, just like Star Trek captains are s'posed to.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST

    whose the blonde?

    by IndianaPeach

    might be a pro....bwaaaaaaaaa

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST

    I've switched several times in 11 hours

    by David Duchovny

    First I thought it was Soran. Then I saw the Japanese one and thought it was Khan. Then I came up with evil Picard. Then I was convinced it was Mitchell. Then someone convinced me it was Garth. Now I just think I really need some ADHD meds. I have no fucking clue.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    enjoying reading some smart speculation

    by Boborci

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    jay retread

    by David Duchovny

    That was my theory. It's the funnest theory, but it gets shot down for a million reasons. Read the top of the thread.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    jasper stillwell

    by David Duchovny

    Yeah. That doesn't seem likely does it? That was the main reason why the Mitchell thing didn't sit right with me.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Could Spock be sacrificing himself?!

    by Danny

    After watching the trailer a few more times i have come up with another possibility (feel free to dismiss). Putting the trailer scenes in a different order when Spock is in the Lava setting it seems like spock would surely be killed due to the large eruption/explosion. And the "glass scene" could that be Spock after laying out his plan would of being dissuade by say Kirk and to prevent Kirk from stopping him causing the explosion, Spock locks Kirk up in the glass room and the Live long and prosper is Spock's final goodbye to his friend Captain Kirk before Spock goes to carry out the lava scene? Long shot but we are all about wild theories today :)

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    take notes, Roberto

    by Jay Retread

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Yeah--the Shinzon thing wasn't mine. Neither was the Locutus theory

    by David Duchovny

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST

    They should kill Spock in every Trek film.

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    They had two in the last one they could have killed him twice!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Oh, JJ did, hornorsilk?

    by D.Vader

    Well then, speculate away!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST

    CEO of a mining company?

    by David Duchovny

    Is that the character Peter Weller probably plays? Volcanos...Mines...Underground. What could be there that he wants?

  • Maybe one owned by Peter Weller? Oh, you were going for a spare Shinzon thing.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    hope it's Mitchell, who wants revenge because ...

    by Freddy

    ... in this timeline things happened a little differently. He was successfully marooned on Delta Vega, and Kirk made it out without having to outright kill him. Mitchell nearly died ... but ultimately survived, and evolved ... and eventually made it back to Earth. Can you imagine what Mitchell would have done if he made it back to Earth? Think it would look a lot like this trailer. Holy shit. Please let that be what the movie's about. Please. The only thing pissing on this theory is the guy's UK accent.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Weller as Garth using Cumberbatch/Mitchell as a weapon

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    just throwing things out there

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST

    can_o_whoopass -- I don't see Mitchell acting like this

    by HornOrSilk

    That's part of the problem. Of course, I am talking about TOS Mitchell. I don't know about JJ Trek's version. Just the original wasn't going for "vengeance." Garth still is the one who fits the best with that. Sure, Khan, Mitchell, and the Horta can all be turned into this if they wanted.... but Garth I think fits best with what we have seen.

  • Christian Bale is going to show up and scream at the screen for 30 minutes.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    by red1701

    Okay, using standard logic around time frames....Cumberbatch is 4 years older than Pine, which could easily translate to being a "senior" leader (as in went into the field etc before Kirk and became a hero/admired by other officers) Kirk looked up to this individual because he was a bit of cowboy too....something happened where in Starfleet abandoned this individual on a mission or such, where he was at the mercy of an unfriendly alien faction that imprisoned but also provided this individual (i have no idea of what we should really call him right now) with powers (see the force unleased kind of level of destruction from my hands shit) who either escapes or is allowed to leave...and he makes a b-line for earth to get some payback from Starfleet. He's looking to not only hurt starfleet, but also someone personally...so there is a Kirk/new bad guy connection....Guessing here, as most of us are doing...that Alice Eve may be playing Carol Marcus...fate etc what have you in this alternate timeline has a funny way of bringing people together (see kirk and spock on ice planet)...Alice Eve's character will be killed (Why else would she banshee scream unless she's about to buy it? by the actions of (Mtichkahn...okay now i have made up a name) and who is to say exactly how much time has passed since the "first" movie? Kirk could have fallen in love with Carol, gone on row row row your boat camping trips with Bones and Spock.. and her death sets him on a path of revenge...hence the scene where he punches Mitchkhan on the genesis look-alike planet (where he find the need to "hey i have to wear a leather overcoat like i did before i put it on my dead son's body prior to kicking Reverend Jim's ass for not only killing my kid, but also for blowing up my sweet sweet ride....Motz-Cho-Eee-Chu!! It's not Khan.Khan is in the Botany Bay Freezer ship..that hasn't changed..it's either someone like or is Garth of Izar...or it could very well be Gary Mitchell, but one that was not Kirk's best friend in this timeline, but did have a heroic career at Starfleet, but was "abandoned" by Starfleet a la James Bond in Die Another Day...ah, see...putting in my vote for Cumberbatch to be the next 007....but not for a few more go rounds by Craig. Either way, I'm glad that Popcorn Action Movie Trek is back....I have plenty of hours of let's explore and go in peace, but light up the phaser banks if we get messed with Trek TV available....I'm good for two hours of Holy Shitness!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Goddamn, but he really IS doing a spot-on Patrick Stewart impression.

    by Royston Lodge

    The more I listen to it, the more I'm wavering.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Did the same people who cut the IRON MAN 3 trailer, cut this one?

    by AdmiralXizor

    Villain voiceover... taunting the so-called ignorant masses about their impending doom... blonde girl screaming... hero falling into water... close up of sneering villain... (I like both trailers. Just wondering cause they are edited almost exactly the same.)

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST

    A conversation with bitchy ST fans...

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    It goes something like this: Bitchy ST Fan: Call it whatever you like, but that is NOT Star Trek! Rational Fan: What is ST then? Bitchy ST Fan: ST is a hopeful journey of space exploration, not this mindless action adventure garbage. Rational Fan: Can't ST be anything else? Bitchy ST Fan: NEVER! It is only as I have defined it, forever and on out, anything that ventures from the Original show is garbage and you who support it should be ashamed of yourself. Rational Fan: So basically you would only like it if they did a shot for shot recreation of some original episode. Bitchy ST Fan: EXACTLY! Rational Fan: Then why not just go back to masturbating to old episodes, why should they make anything new ever again? Bitchy ST Fan: Well...er...because, well I mean, it could be a little different. Rational Fan: Like how? Bitchy ST Fan: The phaser sounds could be enhanced? Rational Fan: Really? They should spend hundreds of millions of dollars recreating a 50 year old show, and just change out the phaser sounds? Didn't they do this on the new re-mastered DVD/Blu Ray digital editions? Bitchy ST Fan: Oh man, those are so awesome! Have you seen those! Rational Fan: Annnddd we are done here!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    It's the greatest crossover stunt in all history... he is really..

    by HornOrSilk

    Sherlock. Sherlock died. And he is brought back to life, and he's turned evil, angry that no one helped save his life from the hands of Moriarty. And now he's back for vengeance. Ok... maybe not...

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Chris Pine isn't aging well.

    by Smerdyakov

    He's starting to look like Skip Homeier.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST

    red1701 -- we don't know what has changed or not

    by HornOrSilk

    The destruction of Vulcan could have changed ship destinations, leading to the discovery of Khan earlier. Or Spock prime could have told someone in charge, who has an evil plan up his sleeve and releases Khan as a distraction. Or he could be Bane coming back thanks to the Genesis Pit.. wait.. wrong franchise.. :P

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Hey mel gibsteinberg we're having a conversation about the Trek villain

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    can you post your little plays elsewhere?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    What if the timeline of the Mirror Universe has been changed as well?

    by Royston Lodge

    This theory is WAY out there, so I won't blame y'all if you flame it to death. What if, the mirrored events in the Mirror Universe include the alteration of that universe's timeline as well? What if, in the altered Mirror Universe it wasn't Spock that went back in time, but Picard instead? What if, somehow, the Mirror Picard crossed over into the AbramsTrek universe (and somehow became 30 years younger)?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Another Thought....Playing Cards

    by red1701

    Coulson is time traveled to the 23rd Century after the battle of New York, he becomes part of the Enterprise Crew...wearing a red shirt, and when the attack on the fleet happens, due to their Bro level....His death leads the crew of the enterprise to seek revenge on Thanos. yeah, i'm not being serious...but you can tell by my username that i am either "standing by and watching for the turrents as I make my run" or I am "Givin' her all She's got!"

  • See what I did there?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST

    What if the Abramsverse IS the Mirror Universe

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    pass the bong bro

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Oh I forgot Margot...

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    You own this space, the rest of us are just squatting. Aren't there fan forums for your theorizing? I'm responding to the response of this trailer, pardon me for calling out some of the horseshit I've read on this talkback.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    The Enterprise crashing into San Francisco Bay?

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Doesn't the fucking hacks known as Orci & Kurtzman know anything different, than ripping off all past Star Trek storylines with just minor changes?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    You little crying victim you

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    fuck off

  • The idea that the Enterprise was built on the surface of the Earth still really bugs me.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Cumberbatch is Sam. It's obvious

    by EleanorofAquitaine

    I gave 8 good reasons upstream. They are still 8 good reasons. Prophet...own lifetime...whatever.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Who's crying?

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    It surely can't be the individual who got all twisted because someone had the audacity to make a comment, smack dab in the middle of their very important critical analysis of Star Trek villians and the components of variance that would lead to a statistical significant probability that said actor is portraying said villain.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    YES Jojo Krako

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    I would pay big money to see "A Piece of the Action" remade for $150 million. Do you think they could convincingly recreate the cheap looking Paramount backlot circa 1967? A caveat: I would only see this movie if they took the episode concept seriously.

  • bitching about strawman Star Trek fans is soooooo 2009

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Obviously, Abrams has done his job well

    by oisin5199

    He's got fanboys endlessly speculating on the new movie and who the main villain is. Guaranteed asses in seats. Well played, Mr. Abrams. Well played.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Strawmen?

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    How about "the_scream" and "hail to the thief" on this board just to name a few. Bitchy ST fans are everywhere!

  • 1. Garth. I think he is the best fit from the series with the synopsis we have heard. He is a great character, and he isn't evil, just insane. He clearly seeks revenge for anyone he thinks wrongs him, and that would include the Federation. 2. Mitchell. I don't really want another Khan, though I think if they do Mitchell, he would be Khan-with-Super-powers. It would be a similar kind of revenge story (based upon the comics), but more needs to be explained, as to why he takes it out on the Federation. The Peter Weller character could be the explanation here. 3. Khan. It's clear he is a "known." It would certainly be a different story as to how he is brought back to life. It's possible Spock Prime told the Federation about him, Peter Weller's character, someone high up in the Federation, decided to use him as a pawn against Klingons, hoping to have him killed off in the process. Khan is double-crossed and thinks it is the Federation which decided to kill him off, and not just Weller's character, and so goes all Wrathful. 4. Future Guy. Just would tie the series together and allow for time-war kind of effects in the universe so Star Trek 3 could, in theory, be an alt-alt-universe as a result of what happens in this one. 5. Moriarty from TNG's holodeck. He finds a way into the real world by downloading his consciousness in a Picard-clone (there, the Picard clone theory). Would be a twist. 6. Captain Pike aided by the Telosians. The story actually is all an illusion and it is to test Kirk and Spock to see if they are ready for the up-coming threat in ST3. 7. Harry Mudd. Mudd is brown, making things dark... 8. The Salt Vampire. Star Trek wants to update its own vampire lore thanks to Twilight. 9. Dr. Soran. What people forget is that in the Nexus, a part of him always exists. And it keeps coming out at different times and places, at different "ages" of his life. The ending will be the attack of the 100 Sorans. 10. The Horta. Spock never helped it reconcile with the miners. It knows of the Federation and can shape change. And it's angry. Very very angry.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    margot_tenenbaum

    by David Duchovny

    Nope. Not buying the Shinzon thing. I honestly want to know what they are looking for underground and what a mining CEO from Enterprise is possibly doing in this movie

  • Just saying.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    That was like 600 posts ago

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    The 2009 way to nerd out was to call Abrams a fucking hack The 2012 way to nerd out is by typing "Garth of Izar", "Gary Mitchell" and "Picard clone" as many times as humanly possible.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Still open to some alternate version of Picard though

    by David Duchovny

    but the clone thing? Nah. Hated Nemesis. Don't want it to pollute this. I want this to be good.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST

    a) I despise Voyager. b) Refer to a.

    by Royston Lodge

    That's the best I got as rebuttals go.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk I would actually put Sybok or Shinzon II above Future Guy

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Sybok because I love him. Shinzon II because ITS TOTALLY SHINZON II

  • I soooooo want him for the Batman reboot as the Joker. That would be awesome!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST

    It's confirmed that Weller plays a CEO who has his own ship

    by David Duchovny

    He's not in Starfleet. What we don't have is his name or if he's in the canon.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST

    and it's also a "significant" role

    by David Duchovny

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST

    pretentious-rr-douchebag -- I agree, not a Picard clone

    by HornOrSilk

    Even if I joke about it above. I don't even think Picard is connected. It's just coincidence. Or it could be Picard has been sent back in time, made young thanks to Q, and he is out to get vengeance on Spock Prime, who he thought was his friend, but now believes otherwise because his universe has become the one in which the Borg win.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Looks bloody awful. Trailer is like something Mr Bay directed.

    by J.B.M.A.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Ok. Weller is Mudd.

    by HornOrSilk

    Come on. That's obvious.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    what I wrote on April 30

    by barboo2

    Yeah, I really wish it were Gary Mitchell but I don't think it is. Why would he need any type of physical weapon with the power he'd developed? The action sequence supports an enhanced human like Khan...who could also use his fellow augmented humans to pilot a ship that's capable of attacking the Enterprise. Mitchell wouldn't need a crew. Just my two cents.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST

    And that Mudd comment

    by HornOrSilk

    Was a joke, of course. But I do think it is odd he is one of THREE major characters whose ID is being kept secret.

  • They gotta get asses in the seats. Everyone who even has a little Trek knowledge knows who Khan is, why would they use some little half ass villain who only appeared in some side novel?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST

    I really hope it's not this...

    by Royston Lodge

    In the future, but not all the way into the future, The Borg attack Earth earlier in the timeline because Spock Prime's actions. Young Jean Luc Picard survives the destruction of most of humanity, and he's pissed. So he goes back in time to preempt The Borg invasion. I really hope this is NOT the movie. I'm sick of time travel in Trek.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST

    sonnyfern in the first, they used a villain no ST fan knew about

    by HornOrSilk

    Whether or not ST fans only know of the villain before the movie is meaningless..

  • ... and settling on Earth. Perhaps Weller and Cumberbatch's character, whoever he is, team up with the mutual goal of killing the remaining Vulcans, though each man has separate reasons for that objective.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST

    american mythos

    by David Duchovny

    Nice. Ty!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST

    I'm about to blow through Enterprise

    by David Duchovny

    for the first time. Horny for new Trek now. (will be new to me)

  • Just saying.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    @vger_6

    by EleanorofAquitaine

    Thanks. Also good to see someone actually interested in speculating for the fun of it, rather than shouting at each other (why IS there so much of that at this site?) I liked your reasoning about Soran, but like others, feel that he is probably too little known by the mainstream audience for a major tentpole. Same could probably be said for my plug for Sam. Oh well. Actually, since they managed to do "Starfleet Academy" in the 2009 movie with a twist (Nero changing the timeline) and make it work (for me, anyway), I have faith that they can do Khan with a twist that none of us will see coming and make it work as well. I hope.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Thanks J.B.M.A. !!!

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    You made my point beautifully. I mean, you're clearly a tool of the highest order, and an immature, pretentious, piece of trash, but you helped illustrate the very thing I was complaining about. Margot can suck it!

  • http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59895 Dec 06, 2012 12:49:25 PM CST Line-by-Line breakdown of this review. by the_cellarrat I’ve seen JACK REACHER for about a month now. - Do you mean you saw it a month ago? What do you mean you've SEEN IT FOR A MONTH? Just cleared the embargo stage so let’s hop right into it. - What just cleared? You or the movie? Why should you give two shits about this film? - I was hoping your review would tell me, but there's no need to curse at me about it. Well, it is based on a series of books by Lee Child that has huge fans. - That doesn't help me, and now you are talking to yourself. Reacher is essentially the most badass Military Detective that there ever was. - As opposed to all those other famous military detectives (racking my brains here). Also, Why capitalize Military Detectives? He found problems. - My God! Groundbreaking for a detec- I mean, Detective. That life is in the rearview and now he wanders the earth like Kane from Kung Fu having adventures. - Adventures! Sounds Fun…and I like Kung Fu. Now, there’s no Eastern philosophy. - You're talking to yourself again…arguing, even. Jack Reacher is a bit more like John Rambo… except a whole lot more functional. - Thanks, so you brought up the Kane thing just to negate it. Rambo’s zero to sixty is almost instantaneous. - Metaphors! But, um, what does this have to do with anything? Jack Reacher has that kind of acceleration of violence, but he has a rather intense personal code. - so, Zero to Sixty when violence is involved, and he has a code. That sentence contradicts itself. I’m pretty sure he belongs behind bars… but he’s kinda like the whole damn A-TEAM boiled into one very lethal Tom Cruise. - Another reference that will surely dead-end. Harry, you know that sentence actually would make sense if you removed the word *but*, right? Reacher is probably a bit more talkative than his character in the book, but McQuarrie’s dialogue for Reacher is so choice. - He talks more but the dialogue is good. Thank you for finally making a point about the movie, even if you had to resort to Ferris Bueller vocabulary to do it. In fact if you watch Cruise’s Jack Reacher… efficient & precise describe his actions, dialogue and line of thought. - But if I don't watch him, why am I at a movie theater? Shortest distances. - Fragment Sentences. He keeps things explosive, even if they’re barbs of the verbal side. - Does he use explosive physical barbs as well? AWESOME! You should not be surprised. - No, I did pay to see an action movie. I'd be pretty damn stupid to expect Flowers for Algernon or the like. This film is the second feature film directed by Christopher McQuarrie. - Ladies and Gentlemen!!! The first sentence sp far that makes a clear point, punctuates correctly, and has no extraneous phrases. Bravo, Harry! The first is an intensely violent crime film called THE WAY OF THE GUN. - Keep it up, doin' good! McQuarrie is all kinds of sharp. - Yeah, losing it with the trite and underperforming metaphors again…. He writes and directs like a clockwork mechanism. - See above. You always can look and marvel at the film as it comes together. - Jesus, I hope so… I didn't go in expecting Un Chien Andalau. It is deliberately clever & I really respond to that in a film like this. - Good to know you don't respond to films that are accidentally clever. JACK REACHER is an old school man with internally created way of life. - What is this, his resume as written by 1950's central casting? He’s a man like The Outlaw Josey Wales. - Whew! I was nurturing a suspicion that he was a woman. And that’s a very good film to conjure when talking about this movie. - SO…now you are complimenting yourself on your yet unsupported metaphors? You’re talking ex-Military badass, never able to return home. - No, you are, but yes, I see the comparison. Living day by day the way he lives. - Is there anyone this sentence does not apply to? He’s a violent man. - Cohesive sentence #3!!! He stays off the clock, between the shadows. - The space3 in between shadows is where light is. Think your metaphors though, Harry. He uses the Greyhound bus system to travel. - I use the Greyhound Bus system to dine. No ID checks, no tracking. - No verbs, no coherence. You get the idea… trouble finds him… you also get the idea that people around him get hurt and he moves forward. - I should hope we get the idea, or the filmmaker is seriously lacking. Always forward. - Which direction again? I forgot from the last sentence. He doesn’t do anything that he can’t live with. - Neither do serial killers, but I get your point. Now the bad guys in this are into political corruption, they’re part of the infection feeding on society, but that’s getting ahead of myself. - How so? This is a written review…put it in the order you want to. The film starts off with a sniper mass murder spree. - Mass and Spree? Damn..now it is really unforgivable. Brutal and not glorified. - Verbless and Thoughtless. It isn’t a cool scene… it’s an oddly familiar one. - Good, I wouldn;t want the scene to be like it was a mass murder scene as taken from Swingers. The kind of thing you wouldn’t be surprised to have explode into tomorrow’s media. - Explode? I'm glad you finally settled on using a verb, but please try again. They quickly capture the “guy” – he’s disenfranchised, ex-military… even had a history of this kind of thing. - Why is Guy in quotes? Is it a chick? Is this like The Crying Game? All the evidence points to him and there is an OVERWHELMING CASE against him. - OVERWHELMING CASE in capitals, huh? Judge'll be all over that. He says, GET JACK REACHER. - Did he say the comma out loud too? Like I said, this crime has the media circus swirling and even a transient badass like Reacher sees the news and he had sworn to this killer that… - Like you said? You've said nothing of the kind yet. Well, that’d be telling too much. - AGAIN! You are writing this review…why bring it up only to argue with yourself and cut yourself off? Rosamund Pike plays the lawyer defending the mass murderer against her DA Father. - Ah, a plot point. Wow, her father, eh? The only two lawyers in the country? Things occur, Reacher begins helping the Defense after checking out the evidence. - OH MY GOD! LOOK OUT! THINGS ARE OCCURRING! He smells a frame. - He feels the love. Rosamund suffers a bit in the film from that Sondra Locke in JOSEY WALES syndrome. - You mean where she's a crappy actress up against a great actor? yeah, I can see that. When you have Josey Wales in a movie, do you really crave anything else? - I crave the requisite amount of proteins and nutrients to survive. She isn’t bad… she’s just doesn’t have THE part, ya know? - Harry, DO…NOT….WRITE…. BS that makes no sense like that and try to tie it up into a thought by finishing with *ya know?*. Between Cruise and… WERNER HERZOG! - What is between them? A spider??? Now – I love films like this. - Only now, or usually? Trail mysteries where each breadcrumb leads to the next – and then… eventually people are being killed in Werner Herzog’s fucking presence – because WERNER HERZOG is one of the scariest men ever. - That sentence is meant to describe the types of movies Harry likes. I like movies where people get killed in Werner Herzog's presence also. Excuse me, his *fucking* presence. God bless him. - If you're trying to say we have a good villain here, please do so. He’s our Eric Von Stroheim and I adore him. - I don't follow….because he is germanic, is both a director and actor…what do you mean? People remain mysteries when they’re tough and when you hear the story Herzog tells about his character’s origin…. It is SO AWESOME – it’s a classic McQuarrie criminal bedtime tale – and I can’t get enough of these. - Wow, that sentence really meandered. By thew way, how can a guy with only one other directed movie under his belt have a *classic* signature? It isn’t as operatic at Keyser Soze, but you can bet Keyser likes The Zec’s style. - Come back Harry. Reality is over here. If you love PARKER movies, this is a movie and a character of that kind of determination. - But only IF I love Parker movies. Both of them? What about PETER PARKER movies? JACK REACHER is made of that pulp – and McQuarrie knows that pulp. - Ick. Cruise smartly puts himself in McQuarrie’s hands and the film that comes out of that has a wonderful swagger. - Cruise puts himself in the hands of a man who knows his pulp and a film comes out. Again, Ick. OH and Robert Duvall is a retired Marine with a Shooting Range that Reacher ends up at… and Duvall is totally in the Chief Dan George – CHARACTER & COLOR mode. - OH! Thank god you remembered. First draft theater is now on the air! He’s awesome. - Trenchant! Just like Chief Dan George was awesome in Josey Wales. - But only awesome like Dan George was, not awesome like any other awesome movie actors playing great parts well. Now I know, I’ve brought up THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES so I assume you have to want to know, what’s better? - No one cares at this point Harry. You're building a narrative around thoughts you have barely articulated even to yourself. Well, OUTLAW JOSEY WALES. - Breath was baited, now relieved. Duh. - You're gonna insult me about an argument you had with yourself? By miles, because that’s my favorite Eastwood western. - The because hardly matches the logical build up, but, um great! Glad you like it. Love it. - Sorry, glad you LOVE IT. And to have a film set in the current world that evokes that iconic man of mystery. - …would be the basis for another fragment sentence. The alley angel you hope is out there maybe putting a few wrongs right the wrong way. - Show me on this doll where the Alley Angel touched you the wrong way. This film is called JACK REACHER and after you see it, you’ll know the name and what it stands for. - Good God! I bet Jack Reacher was that Jack Reacher guy all along, in that movie I just saw called Jack Reacher! Brilliant! Also keep your eyes on David Oyelowo, he’s the investigatind Detective on the case that starts the film. - Sigh, spellcheck, Harry. He does real good work in a role that lets him have some fun. - REAL GOOD WORK. I hope he adds that to his resume. He keeps doing really wonderful work in film. - And on the dance floor, I hear. Can’t wait to see what he has for us next. - Who can't? Me? You? Who am I talking to? I’m so happy that McQuarrie finally has that career fire burning that I’ve wanted for him ever since I saw WAY OF THE GUN. - A pretty slow burn, but yeah. Can I mention that film enough? - That was only the second time you;ve mentioned it. You mentioned Josey Wales 79 times, though. And if McQuarrie gets to make a MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE film like it looks like, it’ll be one helluva caper flick… hope there’s some genuine flim flam going on. - Just spew out some random words there, Harry. No one reads to the bottom of your reviews anyway. 12 years between his first and second feature and McQuarrie is improving with age! - It is a good way to beat the ol' sophomore sup trend if you take 11 years off between semesters. Now it gets really interesting. - It already has. Thanks Harry.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Do Kirk and Mystery Villain share a look of brotherly recognition?

    by David Duchovny

    hmmm?

  • anything sci-fi that isn't Star Wars is only a parody of Star Wars. Keep up with those flashy wafer-thin plotted movies

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Ok. Here's another theory (more for a laugh)

    by HornOrSilk

    Benedict Cumberbatch is George Samuel Kirk, and Peter Weller is Sybok. They join forces because they both blame their brothers for what's happened to the Federation.

  • I may be grasping at straws here though. http://img.trekmovie.com/images/st09/alt-count4.jpg

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Wow. That was a devastating line-by-line takedown

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Thanks so much.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk

    by David Duchovny

    Sweet! lol

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:27 p.m. CST

    You fools! Soon I'll squash you like insects!

    by Real Deal

    The thing against Mitchell in this trailer is that as of yet he doesn't seem that God like. Why would he have to jump down from anything? Wouldn't he just appear there? Perhaps though there's aspects we're unaware of. I think it would be cool if it was Mitchell. That would make for a good story. Also over at io9 the stills from the trailer there clearly show Cumberbatch's opponent is a Klingon and that later Cumberbatch is wearing the same high collar outfit they do. Also the building in the middle of all of that red stuff looks like the top of the yellow domed building in the other stills. Fun speculation and can't wait!!!!!!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST

    swivile bobble fizz fizz -- on JJ

    by HornOrSilk

    I have said it several times that I didn't think the first Trek was that good. I felt it was full of plot holes, got the characters wrong, and just didn't do it for me. It's, however, not the worst Trek ever done (Voyager has far worse), and it's not as if shows sometimes have a bad story followed by a good one by the same author. So I say I will give this one a shot, and I do think the trailer looks much better than anything we saw in the first (and the trailers from the first). It might seem a bit cliche with revenge and everything, but I see something coming into this alt-universe Trek which might build up to a big conclusion in ST3. What if EARTH is destroyed by the end of this, like Vulcan was in the first? What if there is a bigger plot developing, with someone playing games with the universe, to destroy the Federation in the past because of what it did in the future? This could make ST3 tie in with TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise as well as TOS. It's possible. The bigger picture might be more interesting than the prologue. And I say this is a possibility only because there IS a JJ-based show I like, Fringe. I'm not a fan of most of his earlier work, but Fringe shows development which could be put into ST. So, though I am critical of the first one, I still want to give this one a chance.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    m_night_salamipants

    by David Duchovny

    Thank you. That's all I wanted to know. Jesus, now was that so difficult.

  • I've heard so many people say different things about those 9 mins. Maybe ST2 is following Clue, and there are multiple versions of the film, and Benedict's character is given a different name in each. Yeah, that's it. And there are four editions of the first nine minutes. Yeah. There.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Anyone saying a young picard is an idiot

    by FrodoFraggins

    Bones was like 120 years old or something in TNG. Picard won't be born for quite some time. Plus the Trek fans would go apeshit if they turned picard into a bad guy.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Also, Khan wasn't banished from earth

    by HornOrSilk

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Re : m_night_salamipants

    by Real Deal

    How did you see Carol Marcus at the end of the film in the first 9 min? Also how did you see this at all this early?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk, agreed on all points

    by Squinty CGI Flynn

    The 2009 trek wasn't all crap. It just seemed like 5-Hour Energy version of New Coke. I did have fun in the theater seeing it. Voyager and, in my opinion, Enterprise were far worse. That all being said, of course I'm gonna pay to see this. Now that the (idiotic) origin stories have been established, we can movie forward with a real plot. Hopefully.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Cut and pasted this

    by David Duchovny

    Peter Weller, whose character plays a mentor to Cumberbatch's. This could be because Weller's character has some sort of telling outfit or makeup that would give away the villains' tightly-wrapped identities.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    frodofraggins

    by David Duchovny

    Time Travel. Idiot.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Here's the thing RE: mel gibsteinberg and margot

    by Mikey Wood

    You've BOTH got very valid points. While, Margot, I am enjoying your attempts to deduce the villain here (and, honestly, going by just footage from the teaser here, it could be any number of possible choices so you could do this all day and still not be correct), I believe that Mel's little "one act play" was both funny and, frankly, correct. We TREK fans are loyal. SOME are loyal to a fault. The grip (dare I say Vulcan nerve pinch?) needs to be loosened. As much as some of us bitch and complain about how the new films focus more on action, I dare say that some of the best of the previous films...WRATH OF KHAN...UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY...FIRST CONTACT...wwere rather action-oriented as well and, yet, still seem to fall under the "It's STAR TREK!" banner while the new films are being unfairly branded as "NOT STAR TREK!" strictly based, it seems, on stylistic changes that, in MY MIND, have breathed new life into the franchise. CHANGE is okay. Not being FOND of those changes is okay, too. But some of these folks are being rather cantankerous children and great examples of why being a STAR TREK fan makes you an automatic punchline.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    I see Frodofraggins is still a simplistic twat

    by David Duchovny

    Nice to know some things never change.

  • You have yet to tell us how you know what the 9 mins is all about. I am doubtful of your claim, especially because of what you have said already doesn't fit things right. And you just are trolling, is my guess.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST

    IMDB just confirmed BC as Khan

    by David Duchovny

    or so I'm told. Too heartbroken to look.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Yet another Picard theory.

    by Royston Lodge

    With Vulcan destroyed, that means the Federation has lost a huge part of its support. Could the Klingons use this power vacuum to win a future war against Humanity? Could an even older, more decrepit Spock Prime (who is, by now, getting pretty good at time travel) seek out a young refugee named Picard in order to send him back to Kirk's time in order to avert the Klingon extermination of Humanity? Who says Cumberbatch is seeking his vengeance from Starfleet or the Federation? Maybe he's seeking his vengeance from the Klingons?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    hornorsik- i know it doesn't. i said, since the last movie (time-frame wise).

    by M_Night_Salamipants

  • Most of us are talking about Picard clones not STINO or whatever. You're the ones being disruptive to this conversation by making strawman arguments that aren't really happening here. I don't think you've even read the thread.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Like, what if Young Picard is like a human version of Nero...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...with Qo'nos as his target instead of Vulcan.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    The poster above nailed it I think

    by David Duchovny

    This film will deal with immigration. The Vulcans need a place to live and Weller's character unthaws Khan to wipe them off of Earth. Very timely. Gene would be proud.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    margot -- agree -- is everyone feeling okay?

    by Boborci

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    IMDb Pro says Benedict Cumberbatch ... Khan (rumored)

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    And IMDb is as user-created as Wikipedia so take it with a grain of salt

  • Hmmm? And how did you see the first 9min clip at all this early? Sorry something makes me think it just doesn't wash. I'm with hornorsilk on this one.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST

    I was hoping alice Eve was playing Nurse Chapel, but...

    by Kikstad

    ...I had heard she was a totally new character. But that doesn't mean she can't me an amalgamation of different characters in one -- part Rand, part Chapel, part whichever female character fits the role of anyother female character in the Khan-Mitchell-Garth-Mudd-CharlieX mythology.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST

    IMDB lists him as "Khan (rumored)" so not a confirmation.

    by blackmantis

  • ...SPOILERS SUCK!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST

    IMDB only says 'Khan (rumoured)'.

    by Royston Lodge

    Fail.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    tickled by this trailer.. clues I noticed -

    by tickled_by_elmo

    Cumberbatches voice is a spot on match for Picards right down to the accent and almost the tone. When I first heard it I thought it was Patrick Stewart. Upon further listening I noticed that he almost goes out of his way to enunciate just like Picard, but I do not think it is in fact Picard. I am stumped as to why Cumberbatch decided to utilize Stewarts voice though.. I noticed the glass reference like most, one sleeve is blue, the other green.. Who was wearing green? (will have to go back and watch) Also Cumberbatch is wearing a starfleet uniform, but that could mean anything.. Overall I liked the trailer and was sad to see the lens flare nowhere to be found, but I would have to guess that we shall see that as the Enterprise is riding off into the sunset.

  • He is a tragic villain. He is one who isn't even entirely evil. He was supposed to be the most benign of the princes from the eugenics war, bringing a sense of peace with his mighty fist. He seems to have a sense of honor and a desire to do good, but also believes the ends justify the means, when pressed. He believes he is also fated to be in power because of how superior he is to everyone else. He believes he is meant to show his superiority by how he controls the environment around him. At the end of his introductory story, he has been given the feminine complement he needed, a woman who could keep him in check. Kirk and Spock think he could, in some ways, be reformed and help create a spectacular colony which would have something to offer in the future. The tragedy is what happens between TOS and WoK. He turns evil, gives up on the benign desires, and seeks revenge because of the hell-hole the world he is on becomes without Kirk doing something to help him. Even then, however, there is his old ways left in him, and he initially wants Genesis thinking it could give him what he needs to achieve his proper place in the universe. Kirk gets in his way and so Khan is transformed fully into Ahab, all consumed by the Kirk. The tragedy is that Khan is really made by Kirk. I don't think he would always turn out evil. Indeed, I think the right woman, the right place to live, and he would find the challenge is enough to satisfy him and he could live in relative peace.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Having said that about Khan... just thought of something else...

    by HornOrSilk

    It could be a time-traveling Khan who was brought back to life by the Genesis device; he pre-planned his death and found a way to preserve his memories to upload it in the new, younger body... and he got off before the planet blew, and then he goes back in time for revenge. Ok not going to happen, but it is a twist on Khan.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST

    the line must be drawn here

    by Jay Retread

    USS Stargazer crashing into the water?

  • And Kirk was wrong to never go back to Ceti Alpha V. But that all goes out the window when 400+ people's lives are on the line. I wish Abrams & Co. would have filmed some of the Star Trek Countdown material because i think they could have made audiences relate more to the story if they'd covered more of Spock & Nero's relationship instead of just handwaving it with Nimoy narration. That being said, if Cumberbatch is Khan in this one, I have no clue who he's taking revenge on because its like 200 years after the Eugenics Wars.

  • every fuckin star trek movie its the same fuckin thing....remember when star trek was about exploring ideas? just at the top of my head...wouldnt be cool if they did a film where they witnessed the big bang. or maybe the origin of the borg. go far off into the future and witness the big crunch. maybe how the Q came to be?

  • But then I put the weed away.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    The blonde girl screaming at :40

    by PlayerHater_of_the_year

    Ok Mandy, when I raise my hand you scream at the camera. Scream like its spring break and the DJ is playing Poker Face! GOOD GOOD! Now go wait in my trailer and I promise you'll be in the theatrical teaser.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST

    More Khan theorising

    by Danny

    The geneticist Arik Soong stole augment Embryo's after Khan's death and created "children" who he HOPED would not turn out like Khan. Arik Soong tried teaching the "children" that the Botany Bay and Khan was just a myth. The children didnt believe it, and especially the child "NOONIAN SOONG" ((named after Khan) began working on androids and actually created the android Data from TNG.) Maybe Noonian became obsessed with Khan and saw him as an idol and believe the Starfleet had wronged his "Family" (The main theme of Into Darkness) and therefore due to the timeline differences, travelled through time to kill Kirk and destroy Starfleet along with Earth as revenge for Ceti Alpha. I remain adamant that Peter Weller is a doppleganger for Joachim aswell.

  • It’s definitely a character that will make fans of TOS excited. Think along the lines of Harry Mudd or Trelane or Gary Mitchell or the Talosians or the Horta. Actually it’s one of those that I named.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    The voice does not sound like Patrick Stewart

    by Keith

    Stewart's voice is much more resonant, and still has a mild Yorkshire twang. Cumberbatch's voice is pure southeast England.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Carol Marcus pregnant by the end

    by Keith

    With David. Yeah, sure. Because despite being in a totally different timeline, the same exact one sperm from Kirk's balls happens to meet the same exact one ova inside Marcus. Right.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST

    they might me meshing Gary Mitchell and the Eugenics thing...

    by Squinty CGI Flynn

    maybe

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST

    be

    by Squinty CGI Flynn

  • That level of coincidence would be minor-league for Star Trek.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:30 p.m. CST

    No, Alice Eve is Christine Chapel.

    by FusionAddict

    Obviously.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST

    I repeat it's KHAN

    by sonnyfern

    They were starting over again with the first movie, they weren't even sure if it was going to work, or course they weren't going to throw out the big guns. But now that they've established everything and the first was a hit, and they need to throw out all the stops, and they're building up this HUGE villain and making a big deal out of him, it's going to be Khan...if it's a new villain that's one thing, but if they're going with an old one...it's KHAN. No doubt, no question.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Misterdarcy

    by David Duchovny

    Thanks for stopping by and telling everyone on the thread that the guy who sounds exactly like Picard doesn't sound anything like Picard. Appreciate that.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST

    He doesn't really sound like Picard.

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Stop fooling yourself.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST

    sonnyfern

    by David Duchovny

    Nice evidence. You a scientist?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST

    I Will Say This About The Teaser...

    by You Will Experience Fear

    ...the fact that SO MANY people here are passionate about it on both sides of the spectrum only tells me this movie is going to do SERIOUS box office. So many theories about 'the villain' and that just adds to the excitement. I can't wait for this movie. I loved ST 2009 and have complete faith STID is going to be at least as awesome a movie - but probably a hell of a lot better and that is saying something.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Oh shut up margot

    by David Duchovny

    About had it with your lame ass schtick. Added absolutely nothing to this conversation. Go watch The Tholian Web and TMP. You don't belong here anyway. This isn't REAL Trek anyway, right?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST

    So now you're just randomly attacking people?

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    I've never once claimed that this film wasn't real Trek.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:57 p.m. CST

    youwillexperiencefear - I don't think that follows

    by HornOrSilk

    Before the movie comes out, I expect we will know who the villain is, and some people might end up going "meh." Not saying they will, but right now, the mystery adds to discussion, not necessarily viewers.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST

    so the bad guy is the joker. right? hehehe

    by julia

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    lol... royston, that's the most honest "rebuttal" ever.

    by AdmiralXizor

    I know Tom Paris & Harry Kim were annoying, but really? You didn't like... The Hirogen? The Year of Hell? The water planet? Geordi La Forge as Captain? The USS Equinox? It wasn't all horrible. Even TNG had its Wesley Crusher, and Scotty was a complete PiS falling for every alien woman that smiled at him, and NEVER ONCE getting any... :)

  • Again this is Star "Wars" it is "Trek" no more. The last movie sucked too, they it dumbed it down with pretty explosions & cool effects!! FUCK THIS MOVIE AND THE HORSE IT RODE IN ON!!!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:07 p.m. CST

    This Is Not The Real Star Trek

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

    Real Star Trek would have put me to sleep immediately.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Riddle me this

    by NYSCO6390

    If it's really Khan, why would he be sporting a Starfleet shirt? Even in Wrath he only wore bits and pieces of a uniform, not the whole shebang. The revenge against the federation bit doesn't make sense. And seriously, no offense to Herc or anything, but if they kill off Khan as they find the Botany Bay, I'd be highly driven to walk out of the theater right there. Annihilating Vulcan was certainly a 'rape the dog' moment, but it fit with Nero's revenge character. Killing Khan would be as big an F-U (and probably just as unintentional) as killing Trip was. A Starfleet Six team sounds cool, but there's no way you could recondition genetic supermen. No way. My money is still on Gary Mitchell and Elizabeth Dehner. Besides, Carol Marcus never was Starfleet, was she?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Peter Weller is Khan

    by John Brown

    He has his own ship (the Botany Bay). He is going to join forces with Kirk to fight an even greater menace.

  • Bring it back to TV set it further in the future EXPLORE, NOT BLOW SHIT UP....all the time.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Royston:

    by NYSCO6390

    Don't remember the Roman Empire one, but in the TOS episode where there were space Nazi's, weren't they there because a human historian who landed on that world tried to bring it together and into civilization, and he used Nazi Germany as a model of an efficient civilization gathered behind common cause, only to have it backfire that they also needed a common enemy to commit genocide against?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST

    admiralxizor: Nope, hated it all.

    by Royston Lodge

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Alice Eve is actually......

    by HornOrSilk

    The Borg Queen before she is turned into a Borg. Obviously.

  • The Roman Empire planet (892-IV) and the Communist vs. Yankees planet (Omega IV) evolved independently, and Miri's World had identical topography to Earth. http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Hodgkin's_Law_of_Parallel_Planetary_Development

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Looks entertaining. Prediction: Kirk dies, not Spock

    by Mattman

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:25 p.m. CST

    lots of good ideas, but...

    by EleanorofAquitaine

    I'm still sticking by my 8 points. I just think it makes more narrative sense that way.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Who knew.......

    by kenisgod1

    that tribbles could do so much damage?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Spock is going to die

    by Jamel

    That scene at the end of the Japanese trailer is the same scene from the end of Star Trek II. Spock is in engineering, trying to repair the warp core. Kirk is outside, watching as he dies. That's why they place their hands on the window, just like in Star Trek II.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST

    Cleary it's Legate Dumar....

    by Napabar

    He wants vengeance on the screen writers of DS9, who gave him a wonderful character-arc the last season, only to randomly kill him off with a phaser blast for no reason.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Actually, misterdarcy.....

    by Napabar

    Carol could have always wanted to name her first boy David. Could have been after her father, or another male family member. Then it's just a 50/50 shot of her child being male. It won't be the same "David" from the original timeline, but not a stretch to think she won't have another "David".

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST

    It's not Gary Mitchell......

    by Napabar

    He had glowing eyes! Jackasses!

  • I'd love for them to set up a character arc for Khan in this one that leads to him being fucking pissed and wreaking havoc in ST3. Clearly Cumberbun is not Khan in that case ... so who could do it? Weller?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST

    michael bay

    by t

    looks like it hope it aint true

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST

    luminus - Nope, Spock won't die ...

    by F This

    We don't even know which side of the glass is dangerous, or if there even is a dangerous side. It could be that someone is imprisoned. Lots of things. That is clearly a head fake from JJ.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST

    No one dies in the scene with the hands on the glass.

    by F This

    Not gunna happen.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Someone dies...

    by Jamel

    ...clearly. Look at the scene of Uhura and Bones (?) embracing. Clearly someone they care about is dead or critically injured to say the least. Why would Spock put his hand up on a glass in that emotional way, if someone (him) wasn't about to die? Quinto has already come out and said that he doesn't want to play Spock anymore.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Has anybody even considered for one second....

    by Darth Macchio

    ...that it might wind up being a big lizard! While these movies don't really seem very Trek to me, not being someone who's offended at that also means I'll take them or leave them at their merit. 2009's ST was underwhelming to me - no real repeat viewability, etc, etc...more action stupid than intelligent thriller but still, an entertaining movie. this one looks better but does not look to be changing the direction of 'action stupid' - not a bad thing but not trek either. Think of all the best tv epi's from the various incarnations - how many of those best episodes were balls-out action?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST

    I thought it was Khan until I saw him with the insignia.

    by skoolbus

  • It refers to a "chess game" between Kirk and the villain - a reference to the episode featuring Garth of Izar. He has a grudge to settle - because of the injuries/insanity suffered on a mission and interment in an asylum...he attempted to perfect a chemical explosive of great power and contemplated genocide. I contend Abrams won't mess with Khan, and Mitchell has already been eliminated. He's Garth. Bring on the shape-shifting.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Nestor Carbonell for Khan

    by NYSCO6390

    Just have him buff up a little bit, and drop the Lost eyeliner, he'd be perfect. As far as Mitchell's eyes not glowing, it's not an exact replica of TOS trek, could be whatever causes him to go superhuman doesn't give him Lite Brite eyes this time around. Still my hunch.

  • They'd need to set up Khan movies ahead of the time he escapes exile on Set Alpha whatever.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:13 p.m. CST

    More evidence Spock is going to die

    by Jamel

    Look at the screen grabs here: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=70938 Spock is doing the Vulcan salute (Live Long and Prosper). He only says that to say goodbye (some Vulcans say hello with it; It's safe to say he's not saying "Hello."). Why would he be saying goodbye from behind a glass? He's going to die. Uhura and that other officer appear to be in engineering. She looks pretty distraught to me.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST

    LOL you guys want another time travel movie with evil Picard?

    by FrodoFraggins

    Get some imagination

  • all 2nd movies of a reboot include the most famous/infamous villians of the story...Dark Knight= Joker...Sherlock Holmes 2= Moriarty...so obviously Star Trek 2= Khan...only movie bucking that trend is Man of Steel which will have Zod

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST

    You Believe BOOONG your world is BOOOONG Safe BOOOOOONG

    by Refrigerator_running

    BOOOOONG is the new lens flare. <P> Seriously trailer producers. Fucking stop it already.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Cool Trailer Bro.

    by Refrigerator_running

    If this were a video game, I'd play it any day of the week. Looks a little like a fun one. <P> However, I still wouldn't see this in the theater -- and I can wait for the netflix stream.

  • Spock lives, guaranteed. There is not a snowball's chance in hell that the studio or JJ Abrams gives away Spock's death in a teaser trailer like that. Uhura could be upset for any number of reasons. Spock could be getting the shit kicked out of him by Cumberbatch or something. She could think he died in the volcano. Whatever. That is there to make people thing this is a WoK remake. Nope. Total head fake. To think otherwise is naïve.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST

    If he dies, he dies

    by Jamel

    Bookmark this thread, buddy. I wanna see you make that statement. lol.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST

    wait, Stino Spock Dies?! -- GOOD.

    by Refrigerator_running

    He's boring and useless, and a panzy

  • He Who Keeps Me Here tells me that one day I will return to earth...and then I will seek my revenge. /Porcupine Tree - Space Transmission

  • Brilliant! No need to go see it in the theater then. Bravo, JJ!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:56 p.m. CST

    I want to see this movie NOW

    by Tacoloft

    It looks fantastic. J.J. you glorious bastard... still cranking out the hits.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST

    God I love A Piece of the Action...

    by Lao_Che_Air_Freight

    probably my second favorite episode (The Enterprise Incident is easily #1). and it's one the wife actually likes, because Vic Tayback was on the Monkees like 6 times. Piece of the Action, Catspaw, Amok Time, The Conscience of the King, all have someone who was on the Monkees, and that's how I got her into Trek.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6 p.m. CST

    My prediction, Old Spock dies...

    by tickled_by_elmo

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST

    grinspoom - It's a result of cost-effectiveness analysis

    by evergreen

    It's tough to balance Midwest focus groups against anticipated New York critic backlash.

  • Clearly Cumberbatch is playing the Giant Blue Doomsday Carrot.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Yeah Gary Mitchell had glowing eyes

    by Freddy

    But if you were JJ Abrams and wanted to preserve suspense, would you put a guy with glowing eyes in the damn trailer? Kind of a giveaway, yeah? And I'm sure with all Mitchell's godlike power, one of those abilities could NEVER be to simply suppress the eye glow. Maybe just to fuck with people. As Mitchell liked to do. Nah. Impossible.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:06 p.m. CST

    pretentious-rr-douchebag and VILLAIN casting

    by Glenn

    You're grasping. You're ignoring most of the history of action films -- since when does the Villain need to be a name to achieve boxoffice? Remember Die Hard? Alan Rickman was new. Casting an esteemed actor who isn't known helps sustain the danger of the villain, he/she isn't a known quantity. Besides, as a film fan, you should hope that even with leads, someone in Hollywood is brave enough to construct a story using non-famous/but-good actors. I seem to recall Chris Pine wasn't famous either. And most of Spielberg's early history was built on un-famous people, from Jaws to E.T. to Poltergeist. Then there's the opposing example of American Graffiti and the Space Wars trilogy thingy, but I won't bother boring you with those flops...

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST

    I'm convinced its Gary Mitchell

    by Logan_1973

    Telekinetic Powers Member of Starfleet Little blonde lab-technician Hating Kirk All the pieces are there...

  • They were like, best buddies. Just fuckin sayin'.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST

    My guess is Joachim too (From Star Trek II)

    by GeorgieBoy

    Tied to Khan, but not him. Of course, he was never in TOS, but was the son of the 2nd guy in command from Space Seed.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Star Trek: Yet Another Villain Is Out For Vengeance!

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    It's getting boring.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Wait... I got it... It's...

    by GeorgieBoy

    Finnegan from the Shore Leave episode! He's a cadet so it has to be one of Kirk's old buddies. Eh, screw it. This movie will suck.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Gary Mitchell was the first Q

    by evergreen

    You'd better be nice to me...James.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    the_real_jamestkirk -- while I think Garth is the best fit

    by HornOrSilk

    Khan could be done. Someone else could have found him and released him, leading to a different outcome, different motive for his vengeance. Mitchell is canon. He's in the comics already. It's slightly different, with Spock and Kirk working together to take him out. He's left for dead, but if he isn't, he will be mad. Very mad. Khan mad. And if his powers are lessened as a result of his encounter with Kirk, it could explain some things. The point is, there is a way to make it anyone.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Ya think Harry will watch this trailer for over a month?

    by D.Vader

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST

    LORD Garth

    by evergreen

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Agree with The Scream... looks pretty but not Trek

    by grendel69

    ...and nothing can erase the shittiness of the last film.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST

    @ the_real_jamestkirk

    by Jamel

    Your explanation of the death scene makes sense; however, Kirk is wearing the same ceremonial suit in that chamber scene as he's wearing at the funeral scene at the beginning. So 2 deaths in one movie?

  • Nimoy was back for STIII. So will Quinto.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    It's Scotty who dies

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    It's Scotty's little alien lover who dies

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Hands on Glass not kirk/Spock

    by Cassidy21

    From the trailer it seems likely that its McCoy and Cumberbatch touching hands. Seems to me that Cumberbatch is under lockdown, likely medical (due to effects of the Galactic Barrier?). He escapes and Bones is chasing him with the phaser. Could also be Khan, but the hand touching makes no sense there, other than a cheap ripoff to please some fans. Why can't directors just be original? Ever since Arnie said "come with me..." in T2, sequels or reboots seem to be full of the same parts that made the originals fun? Finally, the third film better have Picard come back in time to fix the timeline screwup and get Vulcan back, this blowing sh$t up is not Star Trek - that nonsense with Spock at the end of the first film, really irritating. Great film, but treating it as a Myriad Universe story. Hello from Kerry

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Evidence that it's Sybok

    by Brian Trapp

    I've been visiting this site since 1997. I've never posted a comment. Until now. I think it's clearly Sybok for two reasons: (1) In the closeup of Cumberbatch looking at Kirk he clearly has pointy ears. Compare to this photograph of his left ear: http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17lmjzy1z6m9ljpg/original.jpg and (2) I'm convinced Cumberbatch is in the foreground of the final shot in the Japanese trailer. That would make the moment between him and Spock, assuming Spock is in the blue shirt. And to those saying Sybok would be making the LLAP signal, of course he would. But if you're a director you don't automatically have both actors give the signal. One gives the signal right away, and then the other puts his hand up in a touching moment, and then slowly changes his hand position so that it's in the LLAP signal. We just don't see that part.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Garth of what, who? Yeah ...

    by Todaysfate

    Seems logical ... like they they did with Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan, it seems that JJ would also like to take his pic of a classic episode and expand on a lesser known storyline and character and bring it to the big screen. Why rehash what someone else has already done? Seems like the right thing to do for a #2 movie. Then perhaps in the next movie bring back Khan. ... On the other hand ....

  • I'll wait for the YIFY 1080. And I'm going to keep doing that as long as the same fucking five people in Hollywood keep making every.damn.tent-pole.

  • It wasn't exactly a lie to say "Think along the lines of Harry Mudd or Trelane or Gary Mitchell or the Talosians or the Horta. Actually it’s one of those that I named." He certainly could be the CEO with a spaceship. Imagine if he is funding Garth.... giving him enhancements to make him stronger, more powerful -- enhancements which come with a price.. it would fit...

  • It's Mitchell. He gets psychic powers and grows a God-complex and starts fucking with people. The blonde hottie is Dr. Elizabeth Dehner.... Why would it be Khan? I don't see where Khan would show up and Cumberbatch is a bit of pansy to look like a swarthy Despot. The only actor to play Khan is Javier Bardeem. His audition is great in SKYFALL!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:02 p.m. CST

    ... Dr Tolian Soran ...

    by Todaysfate

    .... could be the storyline that might lead to a Shatner Cameo? I like that idea as well.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Joachim was Khan's son.

    by Dan

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Gary Mitchell could have a British accent because

    by Nem_Wan

    Mitchell is younger than Kirk and this universe's timeline is altered from the day of Kirk's birth. Mitchell's parents could have moved to Britain in this timeline.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST

    The Talosians

    by David Duchovny

    You think your world is safe? It is an illusion.

  • Remember his beauties and the illusions Mudd knew how to make. If he is teamed up with Garth, he could be using illusions for a tactical advantage.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Here's the trailer for Whom Gods Destroy.

    by Royston Lodge

    You decide if Cumberbatch seems like Garth of Izar. Me, I'm not feeling it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbpQzxydsVo

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST

    I am warming up to Weller as Mudd though.

    by Royston Lodge

    It would really explain why they refuse to show what he looks like.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST

    @cassidy21

    by Jamel

    It's clearly Spock. He's doing the Vulcan salute. Go back and look.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:10 p.m. CST

    royston lodge -- I rewatched the episode today

    by HornOrSilk

    He totally connects with what we have seen. He likes to think of himself as "Lord Garth," and seeks to rule the universe. He promises to be generous to his allies and vengeance to those who get in his way. He totally fits. Indeed, he will one hand seem calm and then quickly go into a fit of fury. That is exactly the kind of person who would make the illusion speech and also go full terrorist-rage on the Earth.

  • Only a master of evil, Garth.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Fascinating...

    by Gus Gonzales

    [Khan and Kirk] exist — and while their history may not be exactly as people are familiar with, I would argue that a person's character is what it is," Abrams said of the notion that his Khan could be just as evil, even if Kirk never stranded him on Ceti Alpha V. "Certain people are destined to cross paths and come together, and Khan is out there ... even if he doesn't have the same issues.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST

    I do think Weller is Mudd. Totally fits the description

    by HornOrSilk

    Smuggler, gun-runner, con-man. I can see him taking to Benedict's character and promising to be his supplier for whatever arms he needs. And whatever else he might need (I've some nice women for you).

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:15 p.m. CST

    telosmonos yes, it was said, but doesn't mean we will see Khan

    by HornOrSilk

    It just means he thinks Khan is out there and Kirk will encounter him one day. I wouldn't make much out of it.

  • Khan because of the "family" line. I think he's referring to his Botany Bay crew. It could be that the hand/glass scene is onboard the Botany Bay and that's the moment he comes out of hibernation.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST

    JJ Abrams must be a HUGE fan of the video game "Uncharted"

    by seagrass

    because fucking Nathan Drake himself - Nolan North - is in this Star Trek film. That's just plain awesome. Talk about a guy who could play Batman in Justice League... North is perfect for the role.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST

    zodlovesmaude - YOU fuck off

    by evergreen

    Your Lucas worship is morphing into generalized neckbeard fascism.

  • while it's not impossible, it's extremely doubtful. I mean they were already shooting full throttle before Cumberbatch was cast.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Wow. That trailer left me flat.

    by DoctorWho?

  • Get a library card, Abrams. Christ.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST

    overrated @ You heard me.

    by Dan

  • You must be a non-fan.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Why is Picard/Locutus mentioned?

    by Dan

    Don't see it..

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:48 p.m. CST

    zodlovesmaude - Whatever

    by evergreen

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:53 p.m. CST

    I think it's Wayne and GARTH!

    by DrMorbius

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Damon Lindelof will write the next Star Trek

    by evergreen

    Come at me, zod.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Cumberbatch = Mitchell? / Eve = Marcus ? Maybe so.

    by Clavius

    In the Original Series ep. "Where No Man Has Gone Before" Gary Mitchell makes the comment about "aiming that little blonde lab technician at you." to get then Lt. Kirk's nose out of the books and into real life and Kirk admitting that he almost married her. It'd been speculatively retconned in later years that the "Blonde Lab Tech" was in fact Carol Marcus. (hey, why not?) So if Cumberbatch is Mitchell, perhaps there is some flashback material where he's trying to hook Kirk / Marcus up. And then upon returning for revenge (for what, we don't know yet) threatens to kill Marcus (possibly baby David) and everything else Kirk holds dear, like Earth. Just one geek's speculation.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST

    jb10000lakes

    by DoctorWho?

    Thread winner! Classic.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:06 p.m. CST

    If it is Sybok - maybe we can finally get the answer we need....

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    ...what does God need with a starship?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:06 p.m. CST

    It's that bitch that Kirk cheated out of a sex change

    by evergreen

    Republicans would love it.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:13 p.m. CST

    It Looks Terrible--And Sounds Terrible!!!

    by Media Messiah

    It looks cheap, and as if it were done on a less than stellar TV budget???? The new Galactica net series bests this hands-down...in its sleep!!!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:18 p.m. CST

    by FlickChick

    This is exactly what I believe is happening, my friend. :)

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST

    lox4444 - It was explained in the Book of Ezekiel

    by evergreen

    But that's the Hebrew Bible. Good luck with that.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 8:40 p.m. CST

    clavius

    by Dan

    Makes tons of sense. I hope so actually.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:03 p.m. CST

    More like Stella Mudd

    by evergreen

    I heard she nags Trekkies about hotel rules and drags them back to the airport shuttle when they get confused.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Oh look, another revenge plot, sweet.

    by mgs316

    What was the first movie about? And why exactly is the a Star Trek movie other than in name? This could be any by the numbers sci fi movie at this rate. Did we even see space in this trailer? Go into space and find something new, Jesus Christ you lazy loser writers.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:11 p.m. CST

    After much thinking, debating, and introspection

    by Palpatine

    I have no fracking idea who BC is.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:12 p.m. CST

    My wife and I agree, it's Wesley Crusher.

    by kbarber29

    The face, the hair, the innocence and glee. Wesley the time traveler trying to end the Mirror Verse for changing history and erasing his family.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST

    the shot of the ship crashing into the water at the end of the trailer

    by ButterNipples

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but those do not look like JJ's Enterprise redesign nacelle and pylons, those look like Enterprise-E Sovereign class pylons and nacelles... Watched again, yes, definitely Sovereign Class Nacelles and Pylons

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:18 p.m. CST

    butternipples

    by Palpatine

    I thought the same thing. Crossover!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Mitchell

    by CaptainBass

    Surely has to be. English accent? Simplest explanation: Hollywood loves English bad guys. Not a big deal to alter Gary's history, and to me "Gary Mitchell" is very much an English-sounding name. As was commented earlier, it's like someone from Eastenders. If the comics are canon there's no reason for the God-like Mitchell surviving, and being pretty pissed off...

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:29 p.m. CST

    UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE!

    by houbou

    I'm am SO Stoked to see this movie!!! Holy Shit! Cumberbatch looks like a badass and then some!!! We are in for a fucking treat!!! For those haters out there, your loss. And for pete's sakes if you have to take a guess, he's KHAN, not Mitchell.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:32 p.m. CST

    I see Klingons in the trailer

    by Norm3

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Plot Theory Expanded on Wesley Crusher below

    by kbarber29

    JJ did not create the mirror verse when Nero went back into the past. Hell, Cochrane, when making first contact with the Vulcans killed the sons of bitches. Things may have cooled down over the years. Enter Kirk, taking a joyride in a stolen vehicle about to jump over the edge. The Mirror Verse has always been one about ego. So, now Enter Nero who destroys Vulcan. Things change. The Terran Empire is born to see out new life, and new civilizations, and conquer their asses. Wesley, now separated from all realities and time, a traveler, is the one character from the other timeline who can see what the changes of the mirror verse have made. It's erased his family and he's pissed at the perversion of this new reality. This isn't the Federation that molded him into the person he is, and Wesley doesn't know how to change it back. He abhors the all conquering Terran Empire and has taken the fight straight to their home. Look how the officers in the teaser sit. Very Nazi Like. The tone of the city. White, greyish. Why not use Wil Wheaton? It would have given the plot away to easily. The showing of the Alice Eve character to make people think of Gary Mitchell, the hands on both sides of the glass, invokes Khan. Both red herrings. It's Wesley Crusher.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Robert Orci's one lie

    by kbarber29

    Of Parallels, a STNG episode, Robert Orci was cited as saying, This episode's simultaneous portrayal of numerous different universes was cited by Roberto Orci, one of the screenwriters for the 2009 Star Trek film, as proof that, despite the movie's creation of a secondary timeline, the "regular" Trek universe was unaffected and everything from the Original Series onward still went on as it had before. My take, The original Trek was erased and Wesley's out to bring it back or cause as much havoc to the Terran Empire as possible.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Nonsense. Wesley is busy cleaning out his garage

    by evergreen

    Refer to his blog. He really is the Awesome Possum.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10 p.m. CST

    OMG! I can't wait!

    by Jean-Luc Gothos

    OMG. What the hell are they doing with The Enterprise?! It Looks like this is going to be action packed and I can't wait to see it!

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST

    pretentious-rr-douchebag

    by Keith

    You are, in the words of Mike Oldfield, a cloth-eared nincompoop. You might be a nice guy. A smart guy. A good-looking guy. But you have a tin ear for accents. Maybe I'm being harsh. I guess if I had never been to France or spent much time listening to French people speak I might think that all Frenchmen sounded the same: 'Hey, that guy sounds French! He sounds EXACTLY LIKE GERARD DEPARDIEU!'

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST

    If it's Khan...

    by Keith

    ...why the fuck would you cast a fey-looking Englishman as Khan? And get him to speak with an RP southern English accent? Hmm, I s'pose you can argue that they got a Mexican guy to play a Sikh warlord first time around. (Shrugs.)

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Oh my...George Takei was on MSNBC

    by evergreen

    ...telling conservatives to STFU and ditch the antiquated dogma.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Accents

    by Rob Hill

    I think focusing on accents in a Trek setting is probably akin to chasing shadows. I point to the fact that Jean-Luc Picard's character is clearly French, but Patrick Stewart portrayed him with a British accent. Getting wound up about it is futile at best, comedy gold at worst. I mean, Sean Connery played a Russian sub captain with a Scots accent, for God's sake. And it was awesome.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Comic. Evil typo demons out tonight.

    by Rob Hill

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Wasn't TWOK originally titled "Vengence of Khan"?

    by da-giez

    I could swear that I remember reading in Starlog or somewhere waaaayyy back that The Wrath Of Khan originally was titled "Vengence of Khan"? Just a thought. I was set on Mitchell, but now this has me thinking about Khan again. Maybe the Klingons find him first? If Mitchell. Probably the movie starts on the Red Planet, then they get called back for the melee going on. Maybe Mitchell is thought to die early in the movie (screw comics) and when Kirk sees him on Klingon planet you get the surprise look that he has in one shot... C'mon. Tell us already! Giez

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:19 p.m. CST

    vonotar - one thing that always bothered me

    by evergreen

    How did Claudia Black end up with a mostly RP accent in the suburbs of Sydney?

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST

    @ vonotar

    by BuffDaddy

    Just because Jean Luc Picard is a French name doesn't mean he has to be French. My full name is French and I'm American. Shia Lebeouf, Timothy Olyphant, etc all have French names and aren't French so your assessment is wrong.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:23 p.m. CST

    "So, shall we begin..." it's Bane

    by Ed

  • No doubt in my mind.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST

    ..........................................................

    by Jaka

    .......................................... No. Wrong. That is not Star Trek. It's a modern, over the top, effects driven, action movie. And that does not describe the he