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STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS teaser trailer is filled with big wows & whoas! And that JAPANESE spot? Wow! WHOA!
Hey folks, Harry here... Yes please. More please. Wow. Yes. I'm happy. I saw the Enterprise emerger from water... and I'm very delighted. It gave me gooseflesh. I love that I still don't know what's up with Sherlock, but that's cool. I don't have to know. I bet his character name isn't Beatrix Kiddo though. I feel safe in assuming that. Whoever he is... He's narrating the trailer and doesn't look like Ricardo Montalban. Not to me. And I'm not sure what he is doing in the trailer. Is he POWERED somehow? What is going on? Can Not Wait to see this movie. I hope it is as addicting as the first chapter was for me. There's a fuller trailer coming and a big pre-Hobbit on IMAX thing - that's like 9 minutes... and yeah, I wonder when I will be seeing HOBBIT in Imax. I should buy tickets for that. In fact, I'm going to go do that right now. Enjoy the STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS tease...
Then there's this JAPANESE teaser which has a bit more to it than the US Teaser... And the "your family" bit? Is Alice Eve playing Carol Marcus? Will JJ and crew bring in a younger tale of woe with Kirk? Is "David" in this film? Is this an origin story for why Kirk was sent on a mission to go where noone has gone before? ALL SPECULATION on my part. That Family bit gets me though!
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*GASP*
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Did you just force someone to delete their article Harry? plus - seems like you can't make a good trailer with out breaking a few BWAAAAHs
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completely useless marketing nonsense.
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Hot damn epic!
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Looks about as "meh" as the first film was. : /
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:49 a.m. CST
I don't think I saw any lense flares. That's a good thing, right?
by bdc777
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Biaaaatch!
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with BALLS. As in Holy Shit Balls. I think it looks great. Let the hating begin.
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This place is going crazy.
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That does it. My movie snobbishness won't let me like it now.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:51 a.m. CST
So, anyone want to guess who's hands are on the glass at the end of the Japanese teaser?
by zillabeast
The blue shirt is definitely making the LLAP gesture....
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***BWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH*** ***BWWWWWWWWWAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH***
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Looks like Abrams is doing to Star Trek what Guy Richie did to Sherlock Holmes. Instead of being about a battle of brains they just blow the whole goddam movie up in a huge sfx-bonanza.
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Thoughts? I'm not geeky enough to know the guy's back story.
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Want the full trailer now!!!
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Star Trek is about hope and the advancement of human kind through space exploration. It's made for tv. The movies always try to merge Star Trek with heavy action and drama and completely avoid what Roddenberry envisaged. This could be a great movie but it isn't Star Trek. And even if it is great, it can't overcome the stupidity of the last film where a cadet is promoted to Captain of the flagship of the Federation after one adventure or where Spock is an emotional wreck who will launch a cadet our of an escape pod onto a planet with certain death instead of throwing him in the brig. But, hey, it had lots of explosions and humour. That's what passes for entertainment these days.
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Get laid. Fast. I'll do you myself if it will shut u up.
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Absolutely nothing appeals to me in this clusterfuck of *BWAAAAHHHHSSSSS* and BRIGHT, SHINY THINGS........ tonally, aesthetically, NOTHING. Bland, vapid, derivative, unsubtle tripe this is! Bleh.
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Of course there are those that would prefer the 30 min silent drifting into the alien ship bit from the Star Trek Original Motion Picture.....but not I.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:58 a.m. CST
Oh, by the way, that's Klingons that Khan--er, Benedict is killing
by zillabeast
Still sporting the silver helmets like bros
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This was well worth staying up for. Can't wait. Hell yes. So cool.
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...Khan was strong, but he couldn't jump like that. The likelihood of it being Gary Mitchell has gone up, in my mind, but I'm still unsure.
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I'm trying to comprehend the mind of an individual who thinks this looks at all entertaining. Seriously, how could this possibly appeal to anyone above the age of 12? My synapses ache.
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It appears that hiring Benedict was the best decision JJ Abrams ever made. The guy has presence and he commits to projects in a big way. Has anyone seen his portrayal of Stephen Hawking in 'Hawking'. Just an excellent actor.
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It has to be Khan. The end shot with the glass is either the reveal or the biggest joke ever played on fans. Wonder why they didn't include it in the American one.
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But I'm interested in that ...
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Ok, you're on. I hear you swallow, right?
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Whatever it takes
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:03 a.m. CST
Now is a good time to Google Garth of Izar, for those not familiar with him
by zillabeast
Solid candidate with a few tweaks, IMO
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:03 a.m. CST
Haha mr beaks just got 'unpublished'!!! Probably because of his negative Hobbit review
by Windowlicker74
Headgeek the great dictator's revenge is sweet.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:03 a.m. CST
God! This comment system sucks. Again: Looks like expected. A movie cobbled together from old Star Trek films. ...
by The Comrade
The reveal of the Enterprise at the beginning of "Star Trek" and at the end of "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" -- that was good stuff. The Enterprise rising out of the water? Merely interesting for VFX geeks.
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is iconic. It's Khan--or a cruel fucking joke putting that shot in there.
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It has to be Khan because of the glass shot.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:06 a.m. CST
drpain... you seriously want the schmuck who directed.....THIS
by Tom Yorke
to do the next frickin' STAR WARS?? In what possible way does anything in this trailer scream "Star Wars" (and by Star Wars of course i mean the classic OT... i.e. the only thing that fuckin' counts). This trailer and what it represents couldn't by any further removed from what the OT was all about. You're out of your flippin' mind, child.
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Way to kill the lead, Harry. Next time just add to the existing item rather than kill it. Bad form.
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What on Earth are you bleating about man? I appreciate the over-excitement but please attempt a little coherence, there's a good chap.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:11 a.m. CST
People who complain about action and adventure in a Star Trek film...
by Stephen Farrell
...where would the drama be in a movie about 'hope and exploration'? And Knan is the only great Star Trek movie why?...oh yes because it's an action movie, a revenge driven action movie with great characters facing off with each other in cool spaceships. The last movie is one of the best tailor made geek movies ever made. And people cry about it because it was too exciting and Spock wouldn't do that and blah blah blah... I really don't understand people. Do you want to go back to when Star Trek meant people sitting on the ship around a table doing some delegation with aliens only distinguished by an array of latex nose-pieces and wearing '90's hospital waiting room curtains? The original series was at it's best when it had action, when Kirk defied the rule book and beamed down to cause havoc and mix it up with his buddies at his side. I would probably whine too if these were just dumb and badly made, but the fist was crafted with balls like an Indiana Jones in space action movie and this looks just as good. A million miles from drivel like Transformers and Gi Joe and Captain America...if you can't see it. Jeebus what do you want?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:12 a.m. CST
It's not Khan, but it's supposed to be a reverse reference to TWoKKhan
by Margot Tenenbaum
i.e. when Spock dies in Star Trek II, it is supposed to remind the characters of this earlier moment where Kirk & Spock first realized the depth of their friendship, or brotherhood -- "how far would you go for your family?" The villain is obviously Gary Mitchell and the blonde woman is the Sally Kellerman character. Gary Mitchell WAS Kirk's best friend but by the end of the movie it will be Spock.
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A digression of pure speculation: What if Old Spock Prime dispatched a heavily armed crew to where he knew the Botany Bay would be drifting? What if Khan and his crew were (likely against Old Spock's protests) quickly caged and “broken” and repurposed into Starfleet Team Six, the Federation’s most deadly secret weapon? And what if this “tamed” Khan, with his genetically-engineered superior intelligence, has spent years biding his time as Starfleet puts more and more of its trust in him? End digression. Another speculative digression occurs! What if the Klingons are utilized early on to demonstrate how badass Khan’s Starfleet Team Six is? (Recall a similar strategy was once employed to demonstrate how badass V’ger was.) Will we finally get to see a Khan-Klingon throwdown? http://www.aintitcool.com/node/55368
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I remember reading your speculation and was fascinated by it. With Vulcan gone, Spock can't afford to suffer the same fate as in the original films so it does make sense. At any rate, this new trailer looks amazing. A lot of intensity in there. Can't wait.
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Age fits. 300 years old. History with the Borg. Family killed. Borg cube in poster. Trench coat. Was the villain in Generations who killed Kirk. Would seem to fit--and oh yeah, he sounds British too. Malcolm McDowell played him the first time.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:17 a.m. CST
Benedict appearently blasts the shit out of the Starfleet Admiralty at :38 in the teaser
by zillabeast
So, coming back to get vengeance....fits?
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Why must it be Khan or whatever?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:18 a.m. CST
Boborci DID say the character was canon...but not TOS canon
by zillabeast
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Always was. The Soran thing floating around fits too though but so does Gary Mitchell. This is rather ingenious of the filmmakers. Sticking with Khan cuz of the glass shot.
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Star Trek was not originally about hope and all that spear you wrote..... That's Next Generation (when they turned the Enterprise into a UN flagship of peace, and soap opera)..... Original Star Trek is about 3 buddies thrown into a great premise every week. It was about meta-physics, survival and great banter..... JJ has reintroduced those elements into the movies which after Star Trek 3: Search for spock had become increasingly lame and turgid. Into Darkness is a great title, it's a great trailer and the end shot of the Jap trailer says it's definitely a rebooted version of Khan....
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It's Gary Mitchell and the psychiatrist whose name I had to look up, Dr. Elizabeth Dehner. Maybe. Regardless, I say, so far anyway, Hell Yes
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You all sound like a bunch of whiny old men crying about how a bottle of coke use to cost a nickel. Times change as does our culture in entertainment. If you can’t grow, adapt and appreciate today’s entertainment because it doesn’t adhere to some shape or form from a bygone era, than go back to whatever basement you came from and put whatever classic you’re into on a continuous loop and enjoy because sorry, it ain’t coming back. Things change. Get over it. Star Trek 2009 was a great movie and this looks like it’ll keep high bench mark going. I for one, appreciate this new era of Trek and what the team behind it accomplished with this once dying franchise. Can’t wait for the full trailer! This one minute rocked.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:22 a.m. CST
Can't They Just Stop It with These "BWAHHHH!" Trailers?
by Sound Designer Dan
The Inception trailer was 3 freaking years ago and that "BWWWWAHHHHHHHH" was actually part of the story.
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who was always bringing Kirk his coffee and shit. Rand or whatever her name was.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:25 a.m. CST
The one and only star trek film worth 2 shits is Wrath of Fucking Khan
by Tom Yorke
Finally got around to watching that flick earlier this year and was blown away. What a fuckin' lovely film. Everything about it. The writing, the performances, the music, the cinematography. They just don't make 'em like they used to anymore...... *sigh*
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Roddenberry originally dumbed down his vision for trek in the original series. The Next Gen was how he always wanted Star Trek to be. And to date, it is still the most successful series released.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:25 a.m. CST
Gene Roddenberry was a shitty writer who got really fucking lucky
by David Duchovny
Deal. This is Trek now. Learn to love it or gtfo.
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What if J.J. Abrams couldn't talk Benecio Del Toro into playing Khan? What if Abrams could hire Benedict Cumberbatch? What if the script is changed so Khan is phasered to death when Starfleet boards the Botany Bay, and one of Khan's fellow genetically engineered supermen -- a Britisher -- comes to lead Starfleet Team Six?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:26 a.m. CST
good ttailer, solid screen entertainment, but ppl like hail_to_the_thief
by gerry derboven
really fucking annoy me. Ok, we get it, YOU don't like it. It suffises to say it and then get the fuck outta here. If this doesn't interest you, by all means, go talkback on a movie that does. I'm tottally fine with that. Why the puerile namecalling and hating and expenditure of energy on something you clearly don't like. we get it. Now go away. As a sci-fi enthusiast i can only be looking forward to this. Top notch. Carry on.
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Possibly looking for his "family" and revenge. And this will be pre-Space Seed and no one will know where Khan and the rest are. We may even see an alternate timeline where the Botany Bay is floating dead, without life support, in space, or crashed on some planet. Or this could be Kirk's brother.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:27 a.m. CST
There was a rumor in the Beaks thread that has me thinking though....*Spoilerish*
by zillabeast
So, before it got deep sixed, someone posted a rumor that Karl Urban's McCoy character dies early in the film, and that serves as a catalyst for driving the story forward. Considering how prominently Alice Eve is featured in the trailer (especially as opposed to Urban), and say she is playing someone like...Nurse Chapel? Doctor De Facto in the event you lose the actual M.D.? Kinda makes sense.... Urban is a leading man now. Maybe they outed him. I dunno. Also sticking with the KHAN camp on this one. I have a feeling we'll all know who this is after The Bobbit.
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So the villain is just some unknown British dude? Doesn't exactly put butts in seats. Can't see Paramount giving the thumbs up to that.
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This movie actually has action in it and not a bunch of diplomacy crap. I hate it when people decide to make a movie cinematic and not gear it towards a small portion of the fan base that would find another reason to bitch if not for this one.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:29 a.m. CST
All those saying Mitchell one question: why would he want revenge?
by HornOrSilk
Obviously, it still could be him since JJ Trek doesn't give a damn about the original characters and their motives. However, the only canonical character who has such a desire is Khan
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:30 a.m. CST
So drpain.... us "whiny old men" (i'm 30 btw) are just supposed to bend over and accept or better yet, EMBRACE the deterioration of society and art??
by Tom Yorke
FUCK THAT. I'm not going down without a fight!! WHO'S FUCKING WITH ME?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:32 a.m. CST
Geesh, ya doofus. It doesn't have to adhere to some *specific shape or form from a bygone era*
by Tom Yorke
It just has to be GOOD. i.e. QUALITY. Some sort of ARTISTIC INTEGRITY. Is that too much to ask?
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than Star Trek I know
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:33 a.m. CST
If Karl Urban McCoy dies they've lost the best original trek impersonator
by DidntPullOutInTimeCop
I'm no trekkie, but he felt almost like the real McCoy...........
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coming back in time to kick ass because Kirk was a better captain. Sounds like him.
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That definitely looks like a reversal of the iconic Spock-Kirk scene in WOK. My knee-jerk reaction though was that they are going to kill Kirk in that scene. To what end I don't know - cliffhanger ending to set up a third film? But Kirk's not a Vulcan, how could they bring him back?
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and therein lies the problem. You need to get some. get that negative energy out. Nobody likes a whiner.
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You don't kill Jesus
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Wasn't he Khans son or adopted son or something?
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This is to sci-fi as Wild Wild West starring Will Smif, was to classic western.
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I miss Meyer...he was James Cameron of the 80s
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:37 a.m. CST
The only good thing about the trailer is a possible sample of what Smaug
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
may sound like. Other than that, explosions! do not Star Trek make.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:37 a.m. CST
Picard idea is the best I've heard, after all he was Bane when he was young
by Stephen Farrell
That would be fucking amazing...they always kind of played with the idea that he was somewhat of a hot-head when he was young... maybe not an Earth destroying hot-head...but wait a minute... Picard was Bane!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:37 a.m. CST
I'm rooting for Cumberbatch to destroy this abomination alt verse.
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
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Hear hear! Star Trek 2009 was a non fans interpretation of trek based on cliched pop culture references. The next gen was great! It wasn't just about diplomacy. It had terrific sci if stories with action when it was relevant. Just watched All Good Things... The other day. Shits all over the recent trek film in writing, character, humour and, most of all, heart.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:38 a.m. CST
It looks like a great scifi action blockbuster -- but it's Star Trek in name only
by Hardboiled Wonderland
I'll still watch this, I enjoyed the first JJ Trek. But there's nothing of the Star Trek I grew up watching and loving in this trailer.
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and you got this from a one minute trailer? Why, sorry sir, i understimated your genius. Why aren't you in the movie critic business? If you can review a complete movie on the basis of a one minute teaser trailer, wow, that could save a lot of people a lot of money and time. You are too stupid to insult.
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That said, it's a teaser. Looking forward to the film.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:39 a.m. CST
What could have turned Picard evil in an alternate timeline?
by David Duchovny
lol. I like this idea now. I'll fucking write it myself.
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The real crime of Abrams' films are the stripping of the Roddenberry socialist utopia aspect of Star Trek in favor of bullshit militarism. I like my action fast and awesome but I like my Star Trek to be good-natured and visionary. I'm so tired of the Enterprise being used as a special crimes unit tracking down galactic psychopaths.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:40 a.m. CST
@space_jesus = what exactly is SCIFI about this? It's Dark Knight in Space.
by Hardboiled Wonderland
There is NOTHING science-fiction about JJ's Trek at all. Having a spaceship does not make it scifi.
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You made me laugh WAY out loud! "BWWWWAHHHHHHHH" ... "BWWWWAHHHHHHHH" ...
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Why the window shot means it's Khan?
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for your damn memory. Since when has Trek been visionary without psychopathic villains? It's had nutjobs in every other episode since it came on the air in 67. Stop with the bullshit.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:43 a.m. CST
On a related note... i never understood that mentality about expenditure of energy on something you hate...
by Tom Yorke
Isn't that the FUCKING POINT? *Hate* is a from of passion. Just as *love* is. They are the 2 extremes, the yin and the yang. Energy is naturally going to be directed towards one pole and the other. So i think it's just as satisfying/fulfilling to HATE on something as much as it is to LOVE on something. They're 2 sides of the same token. Say for instance, the hate i pour on to the Prequels... fuels my LOVE for the OT. And vice-versa. Make sense? Again, it comes down to PASSION. I am passionate against SHITTY FILMS. Because i care about the art form. If you can't take the heat, then i suggest you develop thicker skin, guy. : )
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:43 a.m. CST
That'd have to be the worst scream I've ever seen. Who the heck takes a deep breath like that before screaming?
by Hardboiled Wonderland
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As someone who isn't a huge Star Trek fan, it was kind of weird not seeing ships flying through space. *shrugs* Enjoyed the first one, and this looks promising.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:44 a.m. CST
Do they do the Mutara Nebula battle underwater like submarine warfare, as Nicholas Meyer envisioned with TWOK?
by justmyluck
Snore.
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Coming back to restore his timeline because this new one they created didn't turn out so well for his future. But I highly doubt they'll do another time travel story. Not yet.
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Go watch Star Trek 2. I won't spoil it. You're welcome. Go watch now. Hurry.
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(In Name Only, for the lay person) Catchier than Star Trekino. And it rhymes with *neutrino*. Physics is fun!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:48 a.m. CST
May as well admit, Star Trek is dead. It's all about being dark and edgy these days with you kids.
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Into Darkness looks like a fantastic action blockbuster, I'll enjoy it for that, and pretend it's Mass Effect.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:48 a.m. CST
Oh hey, I got a queston: Where the fuck is Checkov in this trailer?
by zillabeast
There's a shot of Scotty holding a bawling Uhura at :43. If JJ really is only making a Trek Trilogy.... Might as well start thinning the herd now.... DUN DUN DUN
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhcR-w-56tA
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:49 a.m. CST
Kruge Sybok Chang Soran Borg Queen Ru'afo Shinzon Nero
by Margot Tenenbaum
You little shit
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...it just karate chopped this trailer IN THE BALLS. THAT is how to do an effective fucking teaser! Well done, Carruth.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:51 a.m. CST
Wrath:(rath, räth) Punishment or VENGEANCE as a manifestation of anger.
by I NEED TO GET A LIFE
If it isn't Khan...it's doing a good impression. Bit with the glass at the end...needs of the many...C'MON!!
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Can we agree that we love Star Trek? I do...I had the action figures when I was 3 years old. The first movie I saw in the Cinema was Star Trek the motion picture and even though it plainly doesn't work...It's Star Trek so I kinda still love it I loved the Next Generation too but it simply had too many filler episodes and diluted that Universe with a lot of pointless political detail the way the new Star Wars did...it's better to imagine the back-room operations of things than see lots of Star-fleet board meetings. I loved the new movie BECAUSE it had lots of heart and just went ahead and did a big entertaining popcorn movie adventure...it's what I've wanted all my life and I bought those actors! I really fucking bought those actors. Complaining about the plot holes and nitpicking is one thing but if you take offence because it is different to the old stuff then that's just you...it's your problem not the fault of the movie. It was crafted with love and attention, had the best possible cast and was truly exciting. It is the same universe but made by professional film-makers rather than jobbing TV people doing their best with shitty budgets. But lets agree at least we all love Star Trek. Phasers set to stun people...and come on! you're all going to see it right?
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Go watch Insurrection, Generations, Nemesis, The Final Frontier or any episode of that thing called Enterprise with Scott Bakula. JJ's movies don't deserve to be lumped in with that crap.
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Personally, I think the Gary Mitchell or Charlie X ideas are good (I don't want to see Khan just yet) but he DOES sound like fucking Picard and now I'm getting the idea that he's Locutus heralding the arrival of the Borg from the future. Anyway, looks good. It's all style over substance (and when I mean substance, I mean intelligent SF concepts which Trek is known for)
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Spacetravel, aliens, timetravel, warp speed... How is this not sci fi? Sci fi is many things but the main ingredients should be SCIence and FIction. I wish i could stay and talk about this for a while but i have to go to work. sorry.
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Do not watch the Japanese trailer if you don't want potential spoilers! Can we get a spoiler tag on that sucker? Why did the Japanese get their own special trailer, anyways? Anyone know?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:01 a.m. CST
Herc, what if you're right and they've hired Richard Batmanuel Mayor of Gotham...
by tangcameo
...to do a Liam Neeson-ish cameo on the Botany Bay as Khan. Old Spock tells them where to find him and his gang. Starfleet finds them, wakes them up, hunts down and kills Khan, but against Old Spock's suggestion or orders, doesn't kill or imprison the rest but turns them into Starfleet Super Soldiers that they think they can control without Khan. haha Just imagine Nestor Carbonell doing that centering yoga/karate move Montalban did way back in Space Seed.
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and I freaking love the Locutus idea--would also tie in with the "maybe Borg cube" in the poster.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:03 a.m. CST
Looks and feels more like a Mass Effect movie than a Star Trek
by lv_426
So I'd go into it with that kind of expectation moreso than one of ST: Into Darkness being as good as some of the best Trek films (IMO: Wrath of Khan, First Contact, The Motion Picture, and The Undiscovered Country).
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:03 a.m. CST
Ship rising out of water; not Enterprise. Star Fleet shirt on Cumber=?
by T
Oh, and he has a hood like *Batman*! in that scene before Spock supersliding down into the Volcano whatever.
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Makes me think this is a new character, since none of those mentioned as the possible canon villain spoke with one. This may be the one "lie" Orci said he made. If this is Mitchell, then they're really stretching the origins of these characters.
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If I'm right I'm a genius and you will kneel before me. If I'm wrong I'm an idiot--and I already am one, so really what do I have to lose?
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The hand on the glass is an obvious reference to Wrath of Khan. What you have there is Spock sacrificing himself for the "family" (the crew). That's why Uhura is flipping out. Why else would she react like that? Spock's her dude, after all.
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I like the Picard idea better now though. Damn me.
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Damn chuck_chuckwalla
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:07 a.m. CST
It's Gary Mitchell. He's sent on a mission by starfleet which kills blonde woman and gives him powers and he uses his powers for revenge
by Margot Tenenbaum
They probably won't make the mission "penetrate the barrier at the edge of the galaxy" because there isn't one. I haven't watched "Where No Man Has Gone Before" for a long time but wasn't there also a love triangle with Kirk, Mitchell & the blonde? So he's after Starfleet for killing her and Kirk for nailing her. And then -- surprise -- she wasn't killed and is the even-more-powerful-than-Mitchell deus ex machina at the end. I think the Khan talk is a patented Abrams-Lindelof marketing red herring.
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Sounds even gayer when you say it out loud. Try it.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:08 a.m. CST
I gotta hand it to JJ and his team though. We have a mother fucking trailer in our possesion - and still no one can agree on who the villain is.
by zillabeast
That's no easy task in this day and age. Well played sir, well played.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:08 a.m. CST
hardboiled wonderland -- I just posted my thought about this Trek looking like a Mass Effect movie, then saw your post
by lv_426
Also, when I attempted to type hardboiled wonderland into the comment box using my phone, the auto-correct tried to make it say hard oiled wonderland.
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We should get rings.
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turned star trek into a cg fest with ridiculous over the top action that could be any other summer blockbuster. No thanks! And stop with that fucking trailer music, its been done to death!
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Raping his character.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:13 a.m. CST
If it is Picard/Locutus, they found a great way to bring in fans of the TNG
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
But what the fuck do I know, right?
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You have problems in your brain.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:14 a.m. CST
Come on guys, Benedict Cumberbatch is clearly portraying Captain Archer of ENTERPRISE
by lv_426
It's been a long road Gettin from there to here It's been a long time But my time is finally here And I will see my dreams come alive at night I will touch the sky And they're not gonna hold me down no more No they're not gonna change my mind (Chorus) 'Cause I've got faith of the heart I'm going where my heart will take me I've got faith to believe I can do anything I've got strength of the soul No one's going to bend nor break me I can reach any star I've got faith I've got faith Faith of the heart
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That's the greatest idea I've ever heard.
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I'm an attention whore.
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I prefer Hubert Cumberdale myself.
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and yeah...the name sounds ghey as in lame.
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maybe its him
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:22 a.m. CST
Holy shit... i just realized that Hubert Cumberdale was one of my very first usernames i used here
by Tom Yorke
Like 8 or so bannings ago! Ahhhh memories...
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He really wants to mess up the Federation... Actually, though time travel, would be cooler than anything which will be done. Might as well have it all Time Wared and all, with him destroying the Federation. Have Kirk, Spock and McCoy killed at the end. Then the third story can be "The Search for Spock" where an even further Future Guy sees he did wrong and wants to bring them all back to life. Stupid, but it is JJ Trek stupid.
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The British thing is the key.
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maybe its him
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:24 a.m. CST
Gary Mitchell does sound like the name of a guy who likes it in the pooper
by Tom Yorke
Just sayin'.
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I don't recall any backstory in TOS as to Mitchell's origin country... which really, even by TOS era, should be many places ACROSS a galaxy!!! No, love triangle either. Dehner was his bitch all along.
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sure, ill bite
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:27 a.m. CST
Is Gary Mitchell really the name of a villain in the Trek universe?
by Tom Yorke
lulz I thought you guys were fucking around! That'd be like naming the main villain in a movie... Gene Thompson. Or Mark Humphreys. Haha, wtf?
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...the HATE TRAIN! This message is for those among you who are complete fucktards.
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Bob Williams!!
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Roddenberry pitched it as 'Wagon Train In Space'.... It's an adventure about exploring ideas. Star Trek:NG was an SFX soap opera by comparison.
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Exactly
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So economic. All hail Future Picard! ;-P
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:31 a.m. CST
Soran wasn't super-powered. Locutus could have been redesigned without cybernectic implants to assimilate and infiltrate the Federation
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
And in this future he wants revenge against the Federation that DID NOT save his ass from the Borg. Again, I am just speculating but the more I think of it, the more it makes sense.
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GREG JEFFRIES has returned!! And he's PISSED.
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yep, that's your guy
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:32 a.m. CST
Star Trek:The Alternate Universe. Where everything is destroyed due to people after revenge
by HornOrSilk
Do we need another revenge movie so quick? Seriously, JJ Trek hasn't thought anything out. It has no idea of how to do Star Trek.
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Although I like the old Star Trek movies, I really enjoyed the Abrams Trek also. So I'm all in for this one!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:33 a.m. CST
I should say, redesigned without the implants showing externally
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
Whew, glad I cleared that up.
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is probably Dr. Carol Marcus or Dr. Elizabeth Dehner depending if the villian is Kahn or Gary Mitchell?
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Will fuck up your planet.
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Okay, I get this now.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:36 a.m. CST
What is it about JJ Abrams that inspires such retarded musings?
by loafroaster
Remember when Cloverfield was coming out and people were guessing it was a robot or a giant fucking LION? An evil young Picard hellbent on destroying Starfleet? Think about how stupid that sounds for a minute.
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The name makes sense. In the TOS, Gary Mitchell is an ordinary human that accidentally gets god-like powers which eventually causes him to destroy himself. The name was probably selected to be unremarkable on purpose.
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and Khan isn't British and neither is Mitchell. Explain that.
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Orb is.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:39 a.m. CST
Final shot of Japanese one - Spock and Kirk either side of glass with radiation ?
by Dubster32
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Is coming.... Tape up your buttholes!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:41 a.m. CST
Hey, I'm with you loaf. Sounds totally whack but at this late hour my mind tends to wander
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
At least cut me some fucking slack for thinking up a scenario that does not have Khan, Gary Mitchell or Charlie X in it.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:43 a.m. CST
If i accidentally achieved GOD-LIKE POWERS... the first thing i'd do is CHANGE MY FUCKING NAME
by Tom Yorke
That seems like a no-brainer.
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He is wanting revenge because Kirk left him stranded on the android planet. And Trelane came along, and using the remains of a Horta, gave him a means to change his appearance, when Mitchell comes and sends him back in time, only to have him end up in the alt-universe. Clearly.
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What a moron generation they represent. They are living up to every cliché and stereotype to the point that the stereotype is no longer seen as one. You guys are so fucking self entitled and spoiled. You act with the confidence and bravado of a generation of achievers, yet you have amounted to nothing. What a worthless piece of shit generation.
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I've thought of this a lot over the years. Especially after the last movie. if jJ wants to do a trilogy, he's made time travel adjustments to the canon. It can't be too crazy to wrap everything up in a crazy couple of movies that ties in Picard and company and wrap up the time change from the previous film and close the story or set up a continuation. Even in the TNG episode "Clues" they made a decision to wipe their memory of an event. I can see the enterprise E popping out of no where with nothing but a wormhole to explain. The writing in nemesis was really great. Picard disappearing completely out of nowhere just turned the film up a notch. Too bad it's director sucked. That aside amongst other issues... these are just concepts to think about. While I agree the writing in the last Star Trek wasn't nearly as good as it could have been. I liked it and I like where it's going. Ok.
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Now he would be one who would make some sense..... if one wanted a TOS character
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wait it can't be "Sam Kirk" because it sounds super-fruity. Kirk's long lost British brother Samzhan Kirkopath!
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I guess I'm off on the scale of the E, or it's new shit appearance, and mistook the nacelles for a complete different ship.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:52 a.m. CST
That showdown between Cumber & Klingon reminds me of Dark City for some reason.
by T
The color pallette of this movies is kind of steel blue with red/orange for contrast.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:54 a.m. CST
You don't often see the teal/orange palette in movies these days
by Margot Tenenbaum
pioneering
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:55 a.m. CST
Now that it is likely a Khan story (though shouldn't be) I guess this is how it goes
by HornOrSilk
1) They pick Khan up ( 2) This Khan has a different crew awaken him, so they do something different, so he lays low while slowly finds a way to take over the ship 1b-2b someone else picked up Khan in this universe, and he did the same as he did in TOS, but this time, the crew joined with him 3) When they get to earth, he has taken over the Enterprise (or similar ship), and uses it to start his revenge... the ship rising from the water is when he takes out a major target, the first, surprise strike... Now, really, they shouldn't be doing Khan. But this is how I see it will go.
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Those jets/shuttles are flying in the Finger Four Formation, which in current times is part of the Missing Man Ceremony at pilots' funerals. RIP Sulu?
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He got assraped. I'd quit and move to dark horizons.
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From the ongoing comics, Kirk shot him with a phaser rifle just as whatever possessed him from the Barrier was about to take hold again. The bodies of Mitchell and Kelso were loaded into torpedo tubes and shot back at Delta Vega. OK, what if he's not quite dead? If this is the case, you have a stranded pissed-off former friend of Jim Kirk with the power of the Genesis device inside him. Hell, who needs Khan? All the elements are there in Mitchell. Maybe all the lava shots are Mitchell going all Unstable Genesis Planet during a fight? I'm running with this theory until something else makes more sense. Any takers?
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You: "What a moron generation they represent. They are living up to every cliché and stereotype to the point that the stereotype is no longer seen as one." So you are not living up to the cliche and stereo-type of an angry, time-passed-me-by, old man? FUCKING HYPOCRITE!!!!
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Too big a funeral for one of the regular crewmen. Bet it's Pike's.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:05 a.m. CST
90% of the plot for the previous Abrams film was in a 4 issue comic book so why not
by Margot Tenenbaum
I hope they do a recap! (they won't)
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for clarity
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:07 a.m. CST
I know Nemesis was an unfortunate chapter in Trek, but what if the villian isn't exactly Picard, but Shinzon of Remus? Hear me out...
by American Mythos
What if Shinzon, or another Picard clone of similar evilness to Shinzon, was a member of Nero's vengeful mining crew? We know Nero and his crew were briefly captured by the Klingons. We see Cumberbatch's character attacking Klingons. What if, when Nero's crew escaped, the Picard clone/Shinzon was left behind, and he manages to escape, now wanting revenge against Kirk and Starfleet for killing Nero.
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watch the old episode, clips on youtube, even has a similar blonde lady
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Cumberbatch is wearing a starfleet shirt in a shot. British accent is fucking retarded though. Do some research Benedict. Give a shit.
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If they're doing the Garth of Izar story, which I think is the one that makes the most sense, that could be through the window of a brig or an asylum cell at the end of the film. When Kirk encountered Garth in TOS, he had already been committed for his crimes. But the new continuity has Kirk in the chair 5 years earlier, and since the Enterprise is the fleet's flagship, it would make sense that he would have been part of the dragnet to capture Garth in the new timeline.
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... Nero and his crew were miners. Shinzon was forced to work in the mines of Remus, overseen by cruel Romulan slave drivers. What if in that time he, or another Picard clone, was befriended by Nero, and was part of his crew they went back in time, where they were captured by Klingons. Again, as I said above, in the teaser we do see Cumberbatch's character fighting the same masked Klingons that captured Nero.
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The amount of negativity is unbelievable. Granted I know nothing about Star Trek and I quite like the reboot. But to me it looks like a well shot, action packed, big budget sci-fi movie with good effects. How can it look shit when you've only seen 1 minute of footage that has been thrown together out of context? Hate it once you've seen it if you have to. To a casual outsider who likes big movies I don't see anything I don't like here. Reign the hatred in people, you'll be happier.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:15 a.m. CST
Paramount would love to remind people of Star Trek: Nemesis
by Margot Tenenbaum
Hope Abrams cleans up the Data/B-4 dangler while he's at it.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:17 a.m. CST
Hey, we're debating who the villain is not ripping on the quality of the footage
by Margot Tenenbaum
make sure you plug in the right canned response, plant.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:20 a.m. CST
margot_tenebaum, it might be outlandish, but Cumberbatch is doing a scarily spot on impression of Patrick Stewart in the teaser, and...
by American Mythos
... if the villian is indeed an evil young version of Picard, tying the Shinzon story into Nero's story is the cleanest way to pull it off without recycling the time travel element. Why else have the seemingly irrelevent subplot of Nero being captured by Klingon's in the first Abrams Trek? To me, that was perhaps the the biggest unnecessary scene in the entire film. If used to explain a Picard/Shinzon/Different evil Picard clone presence in the sequel, it makes sense in retrospect.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:22 a.m. CST
I knew I had seen that Funeral shot at :05 before, its just like the Batman one
by zillabeast
Not hating...if you wanna be the best, clone the best.....more power to 'em
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They are running the risk of disappointing a huge section of their audience who are going to see this expecting Khan.
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Man, I wasn't expecting to be first but damn!
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looks like he has pointy ears, to me.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:29 a.m. CST
Think about it... in the Japense trailer, Cumberbatch mentions family in seeming regard to Kirk's crew, indicating...
by American Mythos
... that perhaps his vengeance has to do with his own family/crew. If Cumberbatch is Shinzon or another Romulan clone of Picard befriended by Nero as a child, it makes sense that the family he's avenging is Nero's crew.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:32 a.m. CST
"DAWSON'S LENS FLARE TREK PEW-PEW-PEW-KABOOM 90210 PART 2 THE VENGENCE" IT IS THEN!!!FACT!!!
by CreepyThinMan
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:33 a.m. CST
Abrams & Co. are specifically going after a general audience and are not going to base their movie on a complex time-travel related plot point tied to the least popular Star Trek film
by Margot Tenenbaum
Gary Mitchell is obscure, but his story is pretty straightforward.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:36 a.m. CST
I think they wanted him to sound like Bane, who coincidentally played Shinzon.
by Margot Tenenbaum
Their touchstone is Christopher Nolan, not Stuart Baird.
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Sorry guys, long comment here. After watching Generations recently i immediately put pieces together to think that soran could in fact be the enemy in "Into Darkness" My opinions may be long shots and a bit too hopeful but i thought i would add in my two-cents. Firstly the name "Into Darkness"...Soran's main actions came from his blowing up off the suns in various planets to bring the Ribbon to him, This obviously brought darkness to solar systams such as the planet Veridian 3! Secondly Whilst people are quashing the Saron rumour due to his meeting with Kirk on Veridian 3 and exclaiming "Who the hell are you?" this is later rebuffed when Soran later confesses he knows of the legacy of Captain James TIberius Kirk! And lets not forget Kirk (and Picard) were the ones who foiled Soran's plot and ultimately caused his death (all of which happened during the Nexus time which was just an alternate/virtual reality) My thinking (based on the Nexus not being solid reality) is that after Soran's Veridian 3 plot was foiled he merely waited another 39.1 years (which is nothing to an El-Aurian) and again used his Trilithium technology (This would fit in with the "one-man weapon of mass destruction" to enter the ribbon and use the Nexus to go back "to anywhere, any time" and go back to try to kill Kirk the younger which would then prevent kirk from killing him and stop him reaching Nexus in the future. Also it does seem from the Japanese trailer that Kirk has met Carol Marcus and probably does "the space dance with no pants" which would then later introduce his son David into the fray. And this would explain the remark by Benedict Cumberbatch about family. Also Generations is very heavily family themed. Any thoughts or directed anger at rubbishing of my thoughts? :)
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:37 a.m. CST
Why else was it important to the plot of the first J.J. Trek for Nero's crew to be miners, unless it tied into Shinzon, who was forced to work in the mines of Remus...
by American Mythos
... Nero's crew could have been anything more threatening, like a Romulan military dispatch, but they were friggin' miners, the unlikeliest choice of villians.
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not Bane=Shinzon unless I missed the Bastman/Star Trek comic book
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Sorry guys, long comment here. After watching Generations recently i immediately put pieces together to think that soran could in fact be the enemy in "Into Darkness" My opinions may be long shots and a bit too hopeful but i thought i would add in my two-cents. Firstly the name "Into Darkness"...Soran's main actions came from his blowing up off the suns in various planets to bring the Ribbon to him, This obviously brought darkness to solar systams such as the planet Veridian 3! Secondly Whilst people are quashing the Saron rumour due to his meeting with Kirk on Veridian 3 and exclaiming "Who the hell are you?" this is later rebuffed when Soran later confesses he knows of the legacy of Captain James TIberius Kirk! And lets not forget Kirk (and Picard) were the ones who foiled Soran's plot and ultimately caused his death (all of which happened during the Nexus time which was just an alternate/virtual reality) My thinking (based on the Nexus not being solid reality) is that after Soran's Veridian 3 plot was foiled he merely waited another 39.1 years (which is nothing to an El-Aurian) and again used his Trilithium technology (This would fit in with the "one-man weapon of mass destruction" to enter the ribbon and use the Nexus to go back "to anywhere, any time" and go back to try to kill Kirk the younger which would then prevent kirk from killing him and stop him reaching Nexus in the future. Also it does seem from the Japanese trailer that Kirk has met Carol Marcus and probably does "the space dance with no pants" which would then later introduce his son David into the fray. And this would explain the remark by Benedict Cumberbatch about family. Also Generations is very heavily family themed. Any thoughts or directed anger at rubbishing of my thoughts? :)
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It's 5:30 AM what the fuck
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:40 a.m. CST
Their super mining device allowed them to blow up planets
by Margot Tenenbaum
that's why they were miners
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:41 a.m. CST
Mark my words, it isn't Mitchell and it isn't Khan. It's more than likely Shinzon or another Picard clone who was a member of Nero's crew.
by American Mythos
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because even star trek fans have no fucking idea who shinzon is. Like 40 people even saw that movie.
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Gary Khan!!!! ;-)
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:44 a.m. CST
Margot, if that's Cumberbatch doing an imitation of anyone's voice, it's Patrick Stewart's, not Bane's.
by American Mythos
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Sounds like an easy sell.
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This movie is going to have absolutely ZERO connection to any previous Trek, except for the original series and/or original series characters. Abrams and Co. are seriously dedicated to making their own version of Trek, based SOLELY on the original series characters. You people who think it's going to have ANY connection whatsoever to TNG or any TNG movie or character are just ridiculously tone-deaf. Abrams and Co. want absolutely NOTHING to do with that iteration of the series. They are completely ignoring it. They would sooner include characters from Space: 1999. On another note, I would like to echo what a couple of other commenters mentioned earlier, in terms of theories about the hand/window scene at the end of the Japanese trailer, and expand on it a bit: First, it is obvious Abrams has gone to incredible lengths to keep major plot points and the identity of the villain a complete secret so far. I would contend that if indeed he was doing Khan and/or death of Spock, it would not make any sense whatsoever for him to telegraph that ending by including the very-obvious hand image at the end of the Japanese trailer. It's just too obvious. He would never just give such an important element away like that. Therefore, IMO it makes much more sense that the image being included like this (even if it's just in the Japanese version) is a head-fake. He threw it in there because he knows many of the dedicated internet fans will interpret it just as such. What an earlier commenter theorized seems much more likely; that this scene is simply a visual callback to Wrath of Khan, and is not in fact the same scene, but could perhaps be a scene where Spock is the one on the side of the glass who does not die, and perhaps it is Cumberbatch's character dying. Another nice touchstone to reflect the difference in direction taken by this alternate timeline.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:47 a.m. CST
It's either british Khan or british Mitchell if they are being really unfair
by David Duchovny
Both retarded choices and will piss me off. Also, it's not fair to the audience. Give me Latin Khan or American Mitchell. If they are playing fair it HAS to be Soran or Picard. Nothing else makes sense.
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Looks like she is a younger hipper Elizabeth Dehne
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...is clearly playing Alex Mercer from 'Prototype'.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:48 a.m. CST
Jon Frakes just said recently that they are going to start peppering in TNG characters
by David Duchovny
so bite me.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:49 a.m. CST
Pretentious, Nobody knew who Nero was either. Shinzon at least has history in Trek canon. Don't forget, we're talking about J.J. Abrams here...
by American Mythos
... he confessed to never watching an episode of Star Trek TOS, but he most likely at least watched all the Trek movies to do a little homework, and it's conceivable he may have seen something in Nemesis that we didn't. The concept of Shinzon was a great one, meant to evoke Warth of Khan, but it was executed absolutely horribly. Going the evil Picard clone route might be Abrams' attempt to do his own Wrath angle, just without the Khan that everyone is expecting.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:50 a.m. CST
vger_6, it's a good idea, but I don't think they'll use Soran.
by loafroaster
Not everyone has seen Generations, and if they're using 'classic' villains from past iterations, they'll likely go with someone/thing a lot more well-known. Also, can you really see them having a 30-minute scene where Cumberbatch explains who he is and how he got there, whilst a majority of the audience go 'eh?'. My money is on either Khan (the one villain that even Joe Public knows about), or a new character.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:50 a.m. CST
He sounds exactly like Patrick Stewart in the fucking trailer
by David Duchovny
Not cool. That wasn't an accident. A part of me loves these trolling JJ head games. He really does despise us. Shouldn't have shit on him for 5 years. See what happens?
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Possibly pointy ears, mentions family, looks like he could be a young Spock's brother, would want vengeance for the destruction of Vulcan.
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But I heard they changed Sybok's name to "Cock" to make it sound less gay.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:53 a.m. CST
THEY SHOULD HAVE SCORED THE TRAILER WITH THIS SWEET BEAT THAT MAKES ME WANT TO FLOG MY MEAT!!!FACT!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn43RzcQEj8
by CreepyThinMan
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Trying to picture that massive exposition scene in my head. I can't. Of course I can't really see my Picard explanation either...so wtf do i know. I think it's Gary Mitchell with a who knows why British accent.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:54 a.m. CST
And they used time travel extensively in the first movie, I doubt they'll use it that heavily again.
by loafroaster
It was used as a device in order for them to wipe the slate clean and start a new version of the ST universe. I don't think they'll want to feature it in the second movie in a row. My guess is it'll be a more grounded, coherent good vs. evil story.
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Are you saying we're being cock-boked?
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someone let Troi's grandmother take the helm. Looks like shitty ship piloting runs in the family.
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because all the main characters know they are in an alternate timeline now.
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Ain't nobody got time for that.
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Even though Picard had hair when he was young. Still haven't figured that out. Don't these writers watch the shit that came before. smh
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I'm voting Gary Mitchell, but with much reserve.
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This is not an adaptation of Star Trek: Voyager
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Look at the ears this guy is a Vulcan. Plus Vulcan has been destroyed and Spock brother is pissed at the federation for the death of his planet and mother.
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If the ship crashing into the water near the end is the Enterprise, then it looks like they may have fixed one the design elements that bugged me the most. I really disliked how they pushed the nacelles so close together in the 2009 film. But the outline in that crash scene seems to more closely resemble the classic proportions of the original series and movie Enterprises. Of course, it may not even be Enterprise that's crashing in that scene.
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Final prediction. Gary Mitchell-- because of the blonde chick and he's wearing a starfleet uniform. British accent was lazy. Movie looks exciting and can't wait to see it. Goodnight, and loved the theory swapping. Peace.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6 a.m. CST
Abrams' reboot series is a scheme to raise sales of Star Trek V & Star Trek Nemesis Blu Rays.
by Margot Tenenbaum
It's all so clear to me now
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Pretty much what I said a bit above.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:04 a.m. CST
Pretentious, the exposition could be delivered by Nimoy Spock, the only one who would know the back story on Shinzon or this possibly second Picard clone who isn't Shinzon...
by American Mythos
... after all, Nimoy Spock did a pretty good job delivering exposition in the first Abrams Trek. Maybe this Picard clone could arrive on the scene like The Joker in TDK, with people trying to piece together his identity and motives, and it's Nimoy Spock who provides the possible answers, since he'd be familiar with the history.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:05 a.m. CST
loafroaster, they wouldn't have to use time travel again, if the exposition reveals the Picard clone was a member of Nero's crew captured by Klingons.
by American Mythos
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:07 a.m. CST
nativegaijin, the Enterprise in the "rising from the ocean" shot still seems to have the pushed-together nacelles
by Margot Tenenbaum
That was my major design issue with the previous film as well.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:07 a.m. CST
I think Shinzon's baldness was a style choice. Cumberbatch could easily be a pre-baldness clone.
by American Mythos
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:16 a.m. CST
Diggnan, I don't think Abrams is averse to including other Trek characters
by NativeGaijin
If so, why would they have included the reference to Captain Archer and his beagle's transporter in the last movie? They could have left that out with zero impact to the story. Also, I don't know if you saw it, but there was a tie-in prequel comic that was released at the time of the last movie that featured several Next Generation characters and events to set up Spock and Nero's trip through the black hole. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have done that without Abram's support and blessing.
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Khan? You think because of the hand on the glass that they're remaking Wrath of Khan? Soren? You really think they're bringing back a villain from arguably the worst TNG movie? Please don't make me say you're making Bob Orci look talented because I don't want to.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:21 a.m. CST
Shinzon's baldness was because writers assumed we're idiots
by Bass Ackwards
Patrick Stewart is bald, people won't understand if his clone has hair! More infuriating was when he was looking at old pictures, and they showed a picture if him in his twenties...bald! Also, I have no idea what the discussion is actually about, I just saw this brought up and wanted to rant about this peeve of mine.
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A nod to Voyage Home. So the villain is obviously from the giant metallic phallic thingy. He's come to avenge the whales after they've been hunted to extinction (or wiped out by pollution). And if you believe that, you'll also believe Harry is an acrobat.
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I am taking a poo in the theater and walking out.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:22 a.m. CST
Captain Garth of Izar -- I still think he fits the best for TOS characters, with Khan as second
by HornOrSilk
But who knows Garth? So it's Khan or Mitchell. And in one scene, doesn't it look like something is happening with his eyes? Clearly they are trying to make us think of both Khan and Mitchell with the trailer (elements of both are involved). But I am tired of revenge stories for Star Trek movies. They need something new. It's too soon for another revenge story. Alas. And I do think if it is Mitchell, they are getting the character really, really, really wrong. Even Khan is wrong. Garth works. Or maybe it is really all a bluff and it is Pike after all... with help from his Talosian friends.... and we will see in the end, it was all an illusion...
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:23 a.m. CST
Khan? You think because of the hand on the glass that they're remaking Wrath of Khan?
by David Duchovny
Derp
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:24 a.m. CST
mustgofaster, that is the most reasonable plot theory of all.
by Margot Tenenbaum
Can we work in V'Ger somehow?
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but doesn't explain the blonde. If it's Khan or Mitchell the blonde makes sense but the accent doesn't. Pick your poison.
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The line about 'Admiral Archer's beagle' was just that - a throwaway line that had no impact on the story. And as far as the comics go, I don't think Abrams or the studio cares very much what goes on in them, regardless of what they may say. All that matters is what is on the screen. I'd wager less than 1% of the people who will be showing up at a theater to see this will have read the comic, or even know it exists.
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but actually is Q in disguise. There is going to be so much TNG in this movie. I'm thrilled!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:28 a.m. CST
Why is it such a sticking point with people that we may be getting a British Gary Mitchell?
by loafroaster
His nationality was never a major characteristic.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:29 a.m. CST
Picard/Soran doesn't make sense, but if you are going to do it
by HornOrSilk
The blonde is obviously the Borg Queen. Obviously. And really, it isn't Picard. It's Data if he had chosen to be with the Queen, which happens in this universe because of the changes which happened to it. Yes. That's it.
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because it's lazy. details matter.
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British Gary Mitchell destroys continuity!!!!!!!!! It MUST be Picard, Soran, Shinzon, Counselor Marina Sirtis, Dr. Bashir etc.
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Which was the original title of the movie--and he says it in the trailer. Makes no sense. Vengeance for what?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:33 a.m. CST
Plus you guys are leaving out the obvious Borg connection
by David Duchovny
in the poster
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:35 a.m. CST
As long it's not a steamping pile of space dump like Voyage Home!! SUCH A LONG WAIT!!
by Danny
I absolutely hated The Voyage Home and is by far and away the worst of with all the bullshit of a probe wanting to have a chat with whales, the whole greenpeace crap and modern day San-Fran i mean COME ON!! So cheesy and unimaginative, just a shame Nimoy had to tarnish his directorial career! And while i laughed at people hating on Batman and trying to infer this is a copy, the music from the trailer is literally like it is lifted from DKR trailer with the booming noise in the background every second. Also at the end it is clearly Spock on the safe side of the glass although i do believe that inclusion is a major red-herring!
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Voyage Home might be the best reviewed Trek film. Begone with your hate. Just because you're a tea bagger and hate liberal views doesn't mean it wasn't a good movie.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:41 a.m. CST
rick-santorum-ate-my-baby -- he's upset that he has no reason to be upset
by HornOrSilk
Clearly. It's meta-fiction.
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Hey i am myself rather Liberal but i though it was a meaningless inclusion of modern day (1980's) politics into a Trek film. It was easy, lazy and uninspiring. I am always surprised at the reviews to VH. It was just so cringeworthy when they were on earth, it became a very cheesy 1980's attempt to have comedy. Hitching a ride from some two bit, desperate whale keeper. It was like a sci-fi sequel to Free Willy. Garbage!
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Uhura dies.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:44 a.m. CST
oh come on, you all know it's true -- Cumberbatch is playing WESLEY CRUSHER
by Hardboiled Wonderland
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:45 a.m. CST
rick-santorum-ate-my-baby = COLOUR BLIND if he thinks that hand is black!
by Danny
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:46 a.m. CST
I'm tearing up already. Shit man. That ain't cool news at all
by David Duchovny
Poor Spock :-(
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asshat. Watch it on something besides your pocket potato.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:49 a.m. CST
rick-santorum-ate-my-baby, Trek fan with no understanding of the science of light and shadows. Clearly a white hand!
by Danny
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That is a black chick's hand lol. How did I miss that?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:50 a.m. CST
Bet they don't reveal the name until the movie opens - it'll be a BIG SUPER-DUPER SECRET they're keeping...yawn! But film looks AMAZING!
by scotty lines
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A friend who said they worked on this last year said Picard was in this one yet I never believed him...
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Spock isn't emotionally close to anyone else and they aren't going to kill off Kirk. Plus, the hand is clearly female. Santorum is right I think.
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a person made from the combined DNA of every villain Kirk ever fought, all wanting revenge for losing to the real Kirk and finding themselves in a shitty universe....
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:55 a.m. CST
And I don't think anyone major dies.. we are just meant to think it
by HornOrSilk
Misdirection based upon ST knowledge of the past. All a wink wink nudge nudge in the movie itself.
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Catch up at the top of the thread. Already guessed by a guy and then discussed ad nauseum. I think he's right btw.
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We were told the Horta could be it. Clearly, with the volcano scene, it is.
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Makes you want to see what the heck is going to happen. The one that is sticking with me is the iconic "hands on glass" I have read that it is the WoK scene, but with roles reversed. That is a neat idea, but Spock is giving the "Live Long and Prosper" salute... that would be kind of rude if the dude on the other side of the glass was dying from radiation poisoning. If it IS the scene, it is Spock dying. Backs up the Scotty comforting Uhura clip. I really love the theory that Spock Prime sent a retrieval team for Botany Bay, killed Khan. His #2 Jochiam conned Starfleet into thinking this supersoldiar would serve Starfleet. But now, because he's in the inside and all the augments except Benny were killed previously... this is his "vengence" for his "family". One of the better theories. To keep the iconic Khan for another movie, it could be he's not dead, but Benny is out to free him. From Klingon lock up?
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That is a female hand and clearly darker toned. Who the hell do you think Spock would give a shit about?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 6:57 a.m. CST
"one of Khan's fellow genetically engineered supermen?" YES - YES - YES! Khan is DEAD. This is one of Khan's soldiers! Mystery over. Thanks Herc!
by scotty lines
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You would know that if you've ever been in the company of a woman.
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That's gonna be a saaaaad scene. Dayum.
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It's a ladies hand. This looks awesome, whatever it's about. If it's not that Picard theory, it should be.
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That bit at the end of the Japanese teaser is from a scene where Uhuru is slightly too late to give Spock his packed lunch before he catches the shuttle bus to Starfleet HQ.
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right on target. You have to understand thought younger people are getting exponentially more stupid each year and they will lap utter shit like this and the Hobbit up like dogs. This might as well be called "Ass."
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...he ended up being born on the wrong continent thanks to the last movie.
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The clues are there. Who else would be returning to Earth to extract vengeance? Khan was forcibly exiled, children. Gary Mitchell has no grudge against Mother Earth - neither does Soran (at this point). It is Khan, motherfuckers.
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she needs to fire her manicurist because her nails look like a MANicure amirite
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The uniform in that shot is black, not green. Why the fuck would Spock give a shit about that character unless it's Sybock.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 7:05 a.m. CST
I distinctly heard the blonde scream "KKKKHHHHAAAANNNN!!!!"
by Glass Bead Gamer
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No need for vengeance yet.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 7:06 a.m. CST
cutest_of_borg -- while I think it is likely Khan and Mitchell would be stupid
by HornOrSilk
Garth fits better.
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Well bear in mind - if it wasnt for the ST fans out there who keep ST going when its off air by buying the product and going to the conventions - then there would be no ST film getting made at all. Who brought ST back from the dead when it was cancelled in the late 60's? The fans. Who kept Paramount churning out one series after another - the fans Who kept Paramount bringing out one film after another in the orginal films - the fans Who gave Paramount the idea there was still a quick buck to be made out of a new film series - the fans Who will still be buying the product and going to the conventions when the casual movie goers has long forgotton this new movie? - the fans. So if the fans 'bitch' a bit now and then - I reckon they have a right to. They have made mega money for Paramount over the years. Sure, Paramount make some money out the casual movie goers. But they can rely on ST fans to keep the well flowing with cash in the long term. So don't be surprised if some ST fans get pissed off when 40 years of back story is junked to suit a new film series. Sure, you cant pander to the fans all the time if you are making ST. Anyway, the fans dont necessarily speak with one voice as such. But what most fans do want is a bit of respect for the characters and backstory they have invested in over the years. Also when you think of all the stories these guys could have made, the idea that they feel the need to retread stories that have gone before sort of shows a creative bankruptcy on their part. Plus most fans would like a Producer (Abrams) who at least seemed to like his source material.
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Nero is still out there today, changing things
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That means awesome in Japanese ... I think.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 7:06 a.m. CST
well it's not sybok because he would be giving the live long a prosper hand signal right back
by Danny
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AHAHAHAHAHAHA THEY CALL ME COCK MY FRIEND
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Gary mitchell wouldn't run around with a gun, he'd just stand there with glowing eyes moving everything around him.
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and that remains a stupid idea even if he hadn't said it.
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Chapel - she's wearing the blue uniform.
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Exactly what the Dark Knight was to Batman Begins. But considering Star Trek was better than Batman Begins....
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Can't be him. Plus it's a BLACK FEMALE PERSON'S FREAKING HAND. lmao
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What exactly do these films have to do with 'Star Trek'? Frankly they could be any sci-fi action film. Basically, JJ Abrahms could not be bothered to create his own sci-fi franchise so he hijacked another. Gene Roddenberry would be somersaulting in his grave. The first film was mildly amusing, but totally forgettable. I generally laughed my way through the film with every silly plot contrivance. There are no iconic scenes or memorable lines of dialogue. TWOK has so many iconic shots and pieces of dialogue I can't even count all of them. Star Trek 2009 didn't even have a great box office - worldwide Tron Legacy, Superman Returns, even The Mummy 3 did better. Again he appears to be using the terrorist motif - a rehash of the first film by all accounts.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 7:14 a.m. CST
Riddle me this: how do Khan, Shinzon or Soran fit "unstoppable force of terror from within their own organization"?
by Margot Tenenbaum
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This might be the best teaser trailer ever made. He threw shit in here just to piss people off. I love it. You guys shouldn't have trashed his first movie. He's fuckin with us.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 7:14 a.m. CST
I'm going to explain to you why several of your theories are reasonable or utterly retarded.
by FusionAddict
1) SHINZON/CLONE OF PICARD - Firstly, it would mean the clone on Nero's ship would have had to have been a child when they were captured by the Klingons, since they spent 25 years on Rura Penthe. It would also mean that child, as an adult, would have had to have been hurriedly educated on everything having to do with the Federation in order to become an officer. Remember, the summary of the film mentions specifically the threat comes from within the Federation. Also, it's specifically mentioned that Picard was bald toward the end of his academy term. 2) TOLIAN SORAN - If Soren kills Kirk in the past, that means Kirk never sacrifices himself to save the ship he's on at the beginning of Generations. Also, he would have had to have aged visibly around 30 human years in the 70-year period between TOS and Generations, while Guinan looked exactly the same for 400. 3) KHAN/AUGMENTS - Star Trek can't be a hit without Trekkies, and rehashing the plot of Space Seed & Wrath of Khan would alienate pretty much every one of them. Plus it would rehash one of the shittiest of shitty Enterprise arcs. 4) GARY MITCHELL - Possible, but unlikely. His insanity was a result of him crossing the galactic barrier, although I suppose they could always have something else drive him insane while not giving him psychic powers. Still, odd that they'd make him randomly British. 5) GARTH OF IZAR - Starfleet fleet captain, Kirk's personal hero, a master tactician, genocidal madman. Has the benefit of being a somewhat obscure villain to non-Trekkies, as well as a backstory that was told but never shown. Plus, Cumberbatch is the same age as Czech-Canadian actor Steve Ihnat. And check out the accent! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crP0H-xBqzI
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Dec. 6, 2012, 7:15 a.m. CST
Cucumberpatch sounds like Ben Cross from the first film... This can mean only one thing – the villain is Sarek!!!
by Gary Makin
Just kidding.
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Have to admit it looks pretty bawss.
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It's established by the writers that BC character is an established Trek character.
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You didn't shit on that theory.
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You didn't shit on that one either. That's my fave for the record.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 7:18 a.m. CST
If the villain turns out to be one of those Botany Bay superguys...
by buggerbugger
...should be mockingly referred to as 'Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan's BFF'. Forever.
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Exactly. Herc should delete that comment. It's embarrassing.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 7:20 a.m. CST
Star Trek 3 - Uhura's reawakening as a MAN! Spock and Mr.Uhura will live happily ever after.
by Danny
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Um. Yeah. Really brings the fear hearing that name 100 times during a movie. WE'RE NOT WORTHY! WE'RE NOT WORTHY! It's not a villain named Garth. I refuse to believe that.
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It's not like he was happy with the Earth when he left.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 7:22 a.m. CST
I doubt they'd have 1) vengeance AND 2) a villain from the future two movies in a row
by Crobran
Ergo, it's not Picard/Locutus
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Dec. 6, 2012, 7:23 a.m. CST
Agreed jonsnow, almost as bad as a plain old name like Gary Mitchell. One of the missing Eastenders family
by Danny
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TASHA YAR IS DOWN!
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Green Orion slave girls are like one of the top 20 things the general audience knows about TOS
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Khan fits better from teaser, though. Plus they want the non-fans in the seats. Even the unwashed masses have heard of Khan.
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The evidence says it's Gary Mitchell sadly. Worst villain name ever. (besides Garth) He's wearing a starfleet uniform and there is a blonde prominently featured. Why is he pissed? No freaking clue--maybe Spock blew him out of a tube onto an ice planet for no reason. He does shit like that. I'd be pissed too. Also, he's turned British in this timeline for no reason at all.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 7:26 a.m. CST
Also, the person on the other side of the glass is boob-less. That's definitely the Live Long And Prosper Gesture (TM)
by Crobran
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More psyched than ever!!
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You can't just praise and leave. Who is the villain, yo?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 7:28 a.m. CST
But how about some more Michael Giacchino music? That's a good thing.
by Crobran
Am I right?
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This looks great!
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This is the funniest damn thread I've seen in awhile. You guys are nuts. Moved on to hand coloring?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 7:32 a.m. CST
cutest_of_borg -- again, I do think it is most likely Khan (or Khan related)
by HornOrSilk
But I still don't think it fits Khan from the original. He isn't out for revenge. Originally, he wanted to capture the Enterprise, get a crew, build a new empire. That wasn't revenge. Of course, we are talking JJ Trek, and all motivations and characterizations are now out the window... But, even if people have not heard of Garth, doesn't matter. This is one of the arguments I hear constantly with series like DW, ST, and the like. "They could never bring back X because no one now knows of them." Well, no one heard of them when they were first introduced into the show as well. Garth fits what we see FAR more than Khan, when dealing with TOS. But I do think it is Khan related. But I do have a bit of pause with it for one reason: if it were Khan, the marketing would push it more, I would think. They wouldn't be afraid of releasing the name. But with Garth... people would go "Who?" and so the mystery is more effective.
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Maybe he is Gary Khan, the long lost son of Khan from the future gone back in time... Anyway, there are WoK nods and Mitchell nods in it. His eyes look like there is something going on ala Mitchell. However, while I think it is possible it is him, it really fails TOS to do it this way. And it's quite possible Mitchell's love is in this without Mitchell... everything is all tossed around, so the crew is different... and so they could have decided "She would be on the Enterprise, but Mitchell isn't..."
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I thought the blonde was Carol Marcus, but she looks like the girl from Where No Man Has Gone Before. I prefer Mitchell, because Benedict while awesome can't top Ricardo, no one can.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 7:37 a.m. CST
Was that StarQuest DSV Into Darkness or SeaTrek DSV Into Darkness, again?
by MoPea
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in the Japanese trailer, you see two hands separated by glass. Very reminiscent of the "I have been and always shall be your friend" line from Star Trek 2. That tells me it's Khan. But hell, maybe JJ hasn't even seen Star Trek 2 and wouldn't get that reference.
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I will give props to JJ Abrams if he can pluck another TOS character from oblivion and turn him into iconic screen villain.
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Why is he almost twice as old as Kirk and British?
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Read the thread. Late to the party.
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You bitch and hate, and waste several paragraph spaces to try and be cute. Lame.
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the fuck is wrong with you
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and Kirk is supposed to be 25 in this
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Explain it or shut the fuck up
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And now wants revenge all the while still in love with Spock...
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Dec. 6, 2012, 7:43 a.m. CST
Yes, I have silly above, but I have some serious above too. I think Garth would be the best for this and any other TOS doesn't fit
by HornOrSilk
But I also don't think JJ Trek gives a damn about Trek so it could be a killer tribble and the people would flock to see it.
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Revenge of the Fallen. Dark of the Moon. Star Trek INTO DARKNESS. Sigh.
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which is what it was
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Dec. 6, 2012, 7:47 a.m. CST
In the post-Nero world his parents moved to England and he picked up the accent
by Margot Tenenbaum
Sounds legit
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which is what I'm going with. Just fucking with you guys while I drink my coffee. Said in the middle of this thread it had to be Mitchell. Could be Garth but wasn't he a shapeshifter or something like that? Been awhile.
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Well, he eventually became a shapeshifter, but wasn't initially.
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Amen brother! With a few exceptions that was my primary issue with TNG: ie, Waayyyy too much talky-talk. JJ did a perfectly acceptable job with character development in reboot. I don't pay $10 to see a genre SCI FI flick to watch intellectual bantering for 2 hrs. Hell, I'll pay my $10 just to watch Karl Urban as Bones, cuase Jeebus Almighty he nailed it. Fookin bunch of mommies-boys whiny bitches. And possibility of watching entire starships crashing into the ocean? Enterprise rising? Fuck yeah I'm there. Action movies with masterpiece-level screenplays (ie Die Hard I) are EXCEPTIONALLY rare. Sit back, enjoy the ride, bring your sunglasses, for aye, lads, here be lens flares.
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what, 87 comments now? Do you ever sleep? Lot of energy on something you don't like.
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...the robot cop who arrested Little Jimmy Kirk at the beginning of the last movie. Robobatch has always been bitter about never being promoted due to that incident with the vintage car.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 7:55 a.m. CST
Interestingly enough, more evidence for GARTH is the memory alpha entry
by HornOrSilk
One which seems to be the source for THE TITLE... notice... the words.. "into darkness" here describing him... to me, though I think Khan/Mitchell possible, this actually makes me think it is Garth after all, and now I know how they got the title (read his entry on memory alpha): Garth of Izar was a decorated, highly-regarded officer in the Federation Starfleet, who rose to rank of Fleet Captain in the course of his service through the mid-23rd century. His career dissolved in a dramatic descent into darkness and attempted genocide, resulting in his commitment to the Elba II asylum for the criminally insane.
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Villain is a loki clone, world destroyed, blah, blah.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 7:57 a.m. CST
Earth Trek. Remember when Star Trek would boldy go? Where's the Space and the Stars? Where's the Final Frontier?
by Charlie
Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before. I'm sure this'll be great. However it better we worthy of spending big budget on a Star Trek to do an seemingly earth set story when it should be about the Final Frontier. SPACE!
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Earth Trek indeed.
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The Next Generation's lead character was a French guy with a British accent.
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As our heroes are propelled into an epic chess game of life and death, love will be challenged, friendships will be torn apart, and sacrifices must be made for the only family Kirk has left: his crew.
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Blonde girl...wears blue. Not Rand either Marcus or Dehner. She looks more like Marcus. IMPORTANT..this is TOS reboot NOT the movies reboot. So...if Khan then it is the episode being reimagined not ghe movie! Japanese glass scene.....that was Kirk doing a vulcan sign...so...new Spock in the vacuum chamber. It is Marcus that Kirk falls for....Kirk and Gary Mitchell had a little rivalry back in the academy days. She ultimately chose Kirk. Mitchell left angry to do special ops and Kirk eventually did what Kirk does....broke her heart and moved on. ok....so starfleet realizes ths roms and the borg (how could old Spo k keep the borg a secret?) are trouble...so they ressurect the eugenics program...super soldiers. They do so by amping up some starfleet guys like Kirks old pal and romantic rival Gary Mitchell out in the edge of space (the 'Darkness'). Finally after kicking ass for the feds the super soldiers decide to rule (cliche i know but this is old trek reboot....not WoK...but the TOS khan episode. Mitchell returns calling himself 'Khan ' and proceeds to get some revenge. Hd grabs Marcus
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST
Also, rumors of Cumberbatch doing a transformation scene suggests...
by HornOrSilk
Well you get it. Garth.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:04 a.m. CST
Still hoping it isn't Khan. It just wouldn't fit into this timeline-- and Gary Mitchell might want 'revenge' as well.
by chifforobe
Plus that blonde chick really looks like Dr. Dehner. I really hope they're going with that episode. If it were Khan, he'd need to get stranded, and stay stranded long enough to get angry, and seek revenge. And it would sort of ruin the chances of many films inspired by earlier Trek episodes. It might be Khan, I just hope it isn't.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:06 a.m. CST
re: "Also, the person on the other side of the glass is boob-less."
by buggerbugger
Definitely Uhuru, then.
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Unless this teaser is a deliberate misdirection by JJ then this footage clearly confirms the next film is a Khan reboot. "Returning to take his vengeance". Kirk and Spock's hand on the glass ala the Spock death scene in "Wrath of Khan". The character seems to have Khans super human strength. Unless he's just playing a joke on us then what else could you conclude from that trailer? Some have speculated about this being the Gary Mitchell story. But here we have a person "returning to take vengeance" and yet the initial events of that particular story have not even taken place in this reboot universe. Khan's back story on the other hand would be slightly altered in this time-line (no personal vendetta with Kirk) but he would still exist and be a vengeful outcast from Earth. Remember he has been in stasis on board the Botany Bay for a looong time. It would take a whole movie (or at least most of one) to tell the initial story of what happens to Gary Mitchell that makes him a threat and explain why he'd be pissed at Kirk. But the guy in this trailer is returning to take revenge on Earth like he already has a history. Just doesn't seem to fit the Gary Mitchell story. Also no way is this Spocks brother. He wasn't some ass kicking bad ass on a revenge mission against earth. He really didn't want to hurt anyone. He just used cult like mind control to get people to take him on a very specific mission. Besides there is no way they are going to reboot any part of Star Trek 5 which is without doubt the worst Trek film.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST
I can't wait for the instant-classic scene where Kirk...
by buggerbugger
...is left stranded and yells, "GAAARRRRRRRTH!" into his comms unit.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:09 a.m. CST
Flies in the the face everything Star Trek initially stood for
by acroyear
Wasn't Star Trek not supposed to be about explosions and action and over the top special effects??
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:10 a.m. CST
It's amazing how STID "ripped off" movies that only came out a few months ago...
by Gary Makin
I didn't know these big films were made so quickly.
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...he gets on the flagship, hides it in the ocean and tortures Kirk and crew to get Starfleet ship codes so he can crash the fleet into planets remotely. But Kirk and crew manage to get control breifly (thanks Carol) and bring Khan down to a volcanic planet in the hopes of humanely abandoning him there or at least doing a 'One Ring' to him. Big fight ensues.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:10 a.m. CST
todd1700 -- there are indications of Khan, Mitchell AND Garth
by HornOrSilk
So JJ is clearly playing with the fans with the teaser. However, Garth is the one who fits the most, including the title -- "Into Darkness" seems to be taken from the Memory Alpha entry on him.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:11 a.m. CST
Relax guys I've figured it out. Cumberbatch is Grand Admiral Thrawn!!!
by kindofabigdeal
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Garth it is.
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It fails as Trek. However, I still give the second one a chance, because I like Cumberbatch, and if I go in accepting it isn't real Trek, and if they improved story exposition so it isn't filled with plot holes, it could be enjoyable for what it is. But it isn't Star Trek. That's lost to JJ Trek. Fringe is more true to Star Trek than Star Trek which is... crazy.
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A big special effects action movie!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:14 a.m. CST
Agreed Grinspoom, hence why i hated The Voyage Home SO MUCH!! This forum is going to be mighty busy until The Hobbit trailers.
by Danny
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This totally flies in the face of everything Star Trek stood for. We have big action set pieces, intense excitement, characters we like and relate to all that dumb crap. Star Trek is only supposed to be about teaching moral lessons to children on saturday morning television!...and Tribbles! How dare they not give us those things!
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He blames Spock for Vulcan's distruction. Sybok's rage has increased his TK ability, and no longer seeks to find "God", but now thinks that he is a "God", and plans on making a new Vulcan.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST
Dear Bane, that's how you do a menacing voice. Yours Benny Cumberbatch.
by cameron
film looks great too, don't let me down with high hopes mr trailer man!
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I love him
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But what is all this talk about the glass shot? I ask only because it's been years since I've seen the Khan stories and don't remember.
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Read the comics commissioned by the writers. They introduce Gary Mitchell and have Kirk "kill" him. But he has godlike powers, so he's not dead - and he wants some revenge on Kirk. Easy peasy. Mitchell.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST
what I know about JJ and why I won't be fooled again
by Refrigerator_running
Abrams is a great salesman. He makes great movie trailers, and the first ten minutes of the actual movie are always amazing. What do people talk about when they praise hr Trek? That first ten minutes. But that's all his movies are good for. Bob and Alex are also great ten minute men, but it takes more then the start of a first act to make a movie. <p> Mark my words, this fucker will look amazing, for the first ten minutes, but the plot will be rubbish, and it'll putter over the finish line. They'll be plenty for the haters to chew on <p> I'm keeping my money. Cool trailer though.
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Bring on the muthafO.Okin Borg for the next movie.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST
stallion_cornell -- what uses does Gary Mitchell have for.. a gun
by HornOrSilk
Of course, this is JJ Trek... It's possible it is him. He is one of the three possibilities. But Garth fits the best. Really.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:26 a.m. CST
noth_spec - it looks like the death scene of Spock from WoK
by HornOrSilk
But looks can be deceiving.
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And it really was a silly question, duh!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST
So those ball-things from Battleship start breaking through buildings, the planet Mustafar explodes, and the Enterprise sails the seven seas. Gosh, I love Classic Trek!
by Mephisto the Great
This seems to be the culmination of all of Roddenberry's hopes and dreams, especially the part about humankind's capacity for enlightenment and growth. I love that this trailer highlights the desire to extend beyond petty conflicts and racial tension to explore the universe. My faith in science fiction is restored. ;/
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST
Damn fine trailer. I'll be there. And my GOD does it sound like this IS a Khan movie!
by AlienFanatic
Cumberbatch has an excellent voice for this, too. Very reminiscent of Patrick Stewart.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST
alienfanatic how does it sound like a Khan flick unless it is just a name-check?
by HornOrSilk
Which is quite possible... and why it is one of the top three possibilities... but it doesn't read Khan to me... in any real sense of TOS connection.. which of course, as I've said, with JJ Trek is a bit meaningless..
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:34 a.m. CST
Oh hey look it's Spock dying through the glass again. Fuck it just remake the motion picture. Do the Vger cloud digital this time- woooow.
by UltraTron
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:35 a.m. CST
Can i change my user name to - i'veseenJackReacherforamonthnow!
by cameron
Coz it makes me laugh each time i read it! BTW my money's on Benadict's character being Spocks pissed off brother.
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I was simply taken by the 2009 "Star Trek", simply by it's sense of pure hokum, and unadulterated fun. Abrams has infused a new transitional move into Sci-Fi fantasy, that has long been long distant in cinema. Loved his "Mission: Impossible" - in my mind, the best of the lot. And gave us something quite retro and original in "Super 8"; except for the shitty monster ending. I would gladly hand this dude the keys to the "Star Wars" vaults - although one expects, he is tired of galaxies far, far away at this juncture. Will be there on opening weekend - even if it does feature Mr. Benedict Cucumberpatch. I have to admit, he looks pretty good here.
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LOL it's not bad, I still loved that trailer, but I can see us being beat to death with that.
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dramatic music, violence and shit blowing up. Can't wait It's not Kirk/Spock at the glass. It's likely Spock and someone else-- Kirk wears Yellow
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1.) He wants revenge for the death of his wife and for being exiled on a desert planet for 15 years by Capt. Kirk. 2.) Cumberbatch is seen wearing South Asian style clothing, just like the Indian Khan Noonian Singh did in "Space Seed" 3.) Cumberbatch is seen multiple times with his Botany Bay crew of "supermen". 4.) Alice Eve is a redhead just like Madlyn Rhue, the actor who played Khan's future wife Marla McGivers in "Space Seed" 5.) The plot synopsis says that the Enterprise crew is fighting an enemy from within their ranks and Khan has a long, looooong history with Starfleet. This is why he wears a Starfleet uniform in almost every shot he appears in. 6.) Multiple shots of a lava world, just like Ceti Alpha V, where Khan lived in Star Trek II.
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But unless they're starting years after the crew has done some missions alread. I'm not sure how you explain the history with Khan's Supermen. Especially when he says "I've returned for my revenge".
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Kirk is talking a lot about how he studied Garth in the academy and admired him and his tactics. That could tie in nicely. Some great hammy Shatner in this ep. Think this is one I've only seen once. Barely remember it.
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You're all as bad as Bill O'Reilly whining about his imaginary Liberal "War on Christmas". Why don't any of you fuckers come right out and admit it ? For all of your posturing about Star Trek's "futurism" and it's leaving behind of mankind's failings, and your supposedly having learned a higher, wiser way of thinking from ST's "teachings", you all still ACT like religious fanatics; ST isn't CANON to you clowns, it's GOSPEL: "It has to be THIS way, or I'M ANGRY ! There is no place in our world for The Heretic Abrams! WAAAH !!!"
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Kirk's brother, George Samuel (Sam), from TOS episode "Operation: Annihilate!" 1. This movie will be about family. All tentpoles are these days. 2. The Japanese trailer makes it clear that the movie is about family. 3. Cumberbatch taunts Kirk about his "family". 4. The Paramount description of the movie talks about Kirk saving "the only family he has left: his crew", implying that there is something gone wrong with his own family. 5. Sam Kirk was introduced into the 2009 movie, but the scenes cut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38M_Rw_Lx10&noredirect=1 6. The hands at the end are not a new version of the end of the Khan movie, but a visual homage to that movie. The hands are actually Kirk and Sam. It will be a reconciliation at death scene. 7. The poster has Cumberbatch standing over a devasted London. Where did Sam go, when he left his trailer park home in Iowa in the 2009 movie? Why not London? Where he joins Starfleet, and becomes (somewhow) embittered. All that explains Cumberbatch's accent and the London setting of the poster. 8. The funeral scene at the beginning of the trailer will be for Sam (who was in Starfleet, remember) but who has been redeemed by the end of the movie.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:41 a.m. CST
You guys have all gotten it wrong. This isn't going to be a Khan story.
by jakal40
It's the Trouble With Tribbles storyline.
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...and looks like he could hardly hurt a tadpole. Star Trek needs better villians.
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The enterprise is not rising out of water-- it look like it's crashing into water saucer down splashing water as it goes across the water, making a wave. Hand on glass is slow moving and likely a death scene.
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TOS Enterprise was classic. And the retrofitted Enterprise from the Motion Picture is the all time best. Not even close. Jar Jar's Enterprise looks like the design from a juvenille artist into hot rods, or something that Orange County Chopper would make if they were starship fitters.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST
No one here is angry except you, half-baked-goggle-box-do-gooder.
by Margot Tenenbaum
I'd be thrilled if Into Darkness had nothing at all to do with TOS and Cumberbatch's character was wholly original.
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He was in the background of Star Trek the Motion Picture during the briefing.
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The first ST movie was dubbed the motionless picture--not much action. Now all we are going to get is action. It is a sad commentary on our attention spans that all we are looking for is action porn.
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only for the reason that the cute blonde is styled much like Sally Kellerman was in the original trek series.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST
Phew! Just missed the avengers helicarrier when it hit the water. That would be a fine collision. A good and proper crash.
by UltraTron
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Come on Jimmy boy!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST
Glad to see Kirk in this, after all the spoiler photos of Spock & Cumberbatch I wasn't sure.
by Wcwlkr
I really enjoyed Pine's Kirk performance from the first Trek. So I'm really looking forward to this.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST
iron man vs enterprise would be insane. Just iron man flying all over the enterprise and trying to take it down like a gremlin
by UltraTron
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Dec. 6, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST
He's over there on the starboard nacelle! Wait now he's tearing out the conduits that control the..
by UltraTron
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Dec. 6, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST
I just want a movie of insane dream sequence mashups. Call the movie MashUp!
by UltraTron
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Its Khan ;)
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Dec. 6, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST
mcguphin: was it really called that?! That's awesome if it was.
by UltraTron
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Dec. 6, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST
bnitt: that 'gay' dude is prolly ripped shitty and would fuck your ass.
by UltraTron
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Khan was only one of the supermen created during the eugenics war. given how distrust of governments has become a theme today, here's my theory: one (or more) of Khan's superhuman brethren was imprisoned at the end of the eugenics war and placed in suspended animation. remember, Khan said he was only one of the princes. now, after nero destroyed half of starfleet, and the federation is worried about the romulans, maybe they decide to wake up their superman and use him to create an army of super soldiers. if they really want to tie it to continuity, it could even be one of the supermen from the enterprise episodes with dr noonien soong. i think there will be a khan connection of some sort, though not khan himself, AND i think the blonde in the trailer giving kirk the eye is carol marcus, and to the person who said the hands at the end of the japanese trailer were kirk and his brother, the hand was clearly doing the vulcan live long and prosper sign.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST
Apparently, George Lucas has a copyright on volcanoes, just like he does with artic and desert locations.
by Gary Makin
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... ship rising from the water is a Yamato / Star Blazers rip. No more excited for this than I was yesterday, and my plan is still to boycott this in the theaters after that insult to Star Trek and science fiction the Bad Robot team gave us three years ago.
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There is that damn noise again. Transformers. Prometheus. Star Trek. It makes the rounds in it's various tones and pitches, doesn't it?
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His jacket has same ribbed collar as Montalban's in Star Trek 2.
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Awwww. And I was gonna give you a hand job in the dark. You make me sad and lonely with your absence.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST
It looks badass! Best minute of movie I've seen all week! It looks like Khan is back, to me!
by Zardoz
But what do I know?
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That burning hate of Kirk building for two decades and then bursting into all out war. If you divorce Khan from that he just becomes another Trek psychopath and is BORING.
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this looks like shite the adhd version of trek
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Or maybe you're over reaching and the 'family' thing is the crew of the enterprise - they are his family
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Ok, so in the Star Trek Prime timeline Soran and Guinan's planet is destroyed by The Borg, long before Starfleet has even heard of The Borg. Later, at the very very end of Kirk's career, Soran is briefly sucked into the Nexus, decides he likes it, and spends the better part of a century figuring out a way to get back in, leading to the events of Generations. He never felt any ill will against Starfleet or The Federation in the Prime timeline. What would be changed in the Abrams timeline to change that? I suppose it's possible Spock Prime tried to warn Starfleet about The Borg early, so that preparations can be made, and then Starfleet fucks up and has a more direct role in Soran's planet's deminse. But I don't buy it. Plus, how can you have Soran without Guinan? I'm wracking my brain trying to think of TOS characters who might hold a grudge against Starfleet and/or The Federation, but I'm not coming up with any satisfying theories. Gary Mitchell does not seem to fit that criteria. The theory that it might be one of Khan's henchmen is plausible.
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You deleted Beaks for this trash?
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The first one rising out of the water does not look like the Enterprise, closer to standard size nacelles and more of a cylinder shaped body. The second shot near the end does look like Enterprise hitting water, with the large saucer section clearly visible. The first ship would seem to fit closer to older ship models, like the Daedalus class ships. This would fit more towards the Garth or Mitchell possibilities. The "NCC" is also visible as it rises out of the water, and the Botany Bay did not have that designation.
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The circle of Life.
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.....is that JJ has chosen to start his reboot at the moment this crew is first assembled onto the Enterprise. At present in this universe their history comprises of exactly one mission. There has been no mission on which an incedent transformed a crew member named Gary Mitchell into a potential threat. How can you have a character "return" seeking revenge that has yet to be introduced in this universe or altered by the events that made him dangerous? Khan on the other hand existed before there even was a starship Enterprise. Maybe the events of the last movie just alter how he comes out of stasis. Maybe in this universe it's not Kirk and the Enterprise that find him and his crew. But he would still be just as bent on revenge against the Earth.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST
What if Cumberbatch is Charlie X and Alice Eve is Yeoman Rand?
by Royston Lodge
I don't believe that Yeoman Rand was in the first AbramsTrek, and Eve's hairstyle seems similar to Rand's.
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Khan it could be, as with Mitchell. Both, however, fail in many ways as with what we see. Khan isn't for revenge, he is for power until Kirk takes it from him. Even then, Khan only really went all-out revenge because of Kirk -- Kirk didn't check up on him, and in the process, his wife died. At the end of Space Seed, he was actually mollified and willing to take on the challenge, seeing it as befitting his station. But what happened AFTER is what caused his need for revenge. Which is why Khan doesn't really fit (except for the non-thinking, just name-check a villain kind of crowd, which JJ Trek accepts). Mitchell has no reason to desire revenge. Even if one takes the comics as canon, which has him "killed" by Spock and Kirk (a change from TOS) but turn out not alive, he could go Khan-like against Kirk, but why the Federation? Also, one would have to explain the need for the gun -- was the power only temporary and he is losing it? Perhaps. Garth still seems the best character fit.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST
Official synopsis says he's 'an unstoppable force of terror from within their own organization'.
by loafroaster
Glean from that what you will.
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He's in the chamber this time...
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Dec. 6, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST
Garth of Izar isn't a terrible guess. That episode included a green Orion dancing girl too.
by Royston Lodge
And we already know Abrams likes the green chicks.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST
To boldly go where The Wrath of Khan had gone before
by RedLeaderStandingBy
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Dec. 6, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST
Yep that sure looks nice. But so did many other trailers, Hobbit, Prometheus, Dark Knight Rises and they all turned out to be shit. Hope this one delivers though. I really do.
by Bradly Durant
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Would have told Starfleet about Khan and The Borg and everything else he could think of. People on here seem to forget that. These characters can basically see much of the future.
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When he said the villain was Gary Mitchell in that interview a while back, it was funny how he then later tried to say he was joking and such, and how JJ was really mad at him for talking. It actually reminded me when Kirsten Dunst was doing an interview prior to the Spiderman 3 trailer release and dropped the fact Venom was in the film. At that point, Raimi and Sony had tried to keep that aspect secret and was upset with Dunst for letting the cat out of the bag. I'm wondering if the same thing happened here, and now they are deliberately trying to make us think its Khan to hold up the 'surprise' of it being Mitchell.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST
THIS MOVIE AND EVERYTHING RELATED TO IT BELONG IN THE DEEPEST PITS OF HELL!!!
by JuicyFruit
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Or Necromancer. Either way, it gets me more excited for The Hobbit.
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The theory is that the comics are canon, and they filmed the ending sequence from the comics (with Spock giving him a Vulcan Nerve Pinch allowing Kirk to shot him down) and that this will be seen at the start of the film. In other words, we will see the TOS story adventure redone (10 - 20 mins? sort of like the beginning of the first to get the character established). He is then thought of as being dead.... And in the comic, Dr. Elizabeth Dehner wasn't in it, which is why Spock had to do. So it explains why SHE might be in this... Of course, I think Garth is the best choice. Mitchell seems second. Khan (or Khan-related person) as third.
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It was faster simply saying stereotype rather than listing the hundreds of ways your generation offends us all. And being an angry old man who's angry at "kids today" certainly doesn't bother me, as few generations before me has had more cause than mine to whine about the useless bums that are 90's kids. And for the record. Time didn't pass me by. I live it and enjoyed every minute of it. Can you honestly say the same?
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Severus Gruber. See interview here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnyrFJda7i0
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Dec. 6, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST
SHERLOCK DOESN'T HAVE TO BE NAMED KHAN TO BE KHAN!!! EXACT SAME PREMISE!!
by JuicyFruit
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I've wondered what Spock Prime would or would not do. I've also wondered if there might be some sort of time-travel cold war going on as a result of his existence (creating Future Guy from Enterprise). Spock Prime had to decide what he could and what he could not reveal. I mean, you would think he would warn them about Khan, the Borg, the Dominion, etc. And you would think he would give them the technology he knows to deal with them all. On the other hand, he might think it is too risky, too. What if he gives knowledge and advice to the wrong person, who then uses it to their own advantage?
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Just a random redshirt? He has dark hair, but it's hard to tell from stopping frames.
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Is this true? Can it be confirmed? If true, Jesus Christ Harry, show some self-control and respect toward your editors! And just like the Kidd, I don't even like Beaks!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST
What could they possibly be going after inside of a volcano?
by David Duchovny
Could be a good clue. Any geologists on here?
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Spock is in the blue shirt on the outside of the glass, making a healthy-handed Vulcan greeting. My guess is it's Kirk on the inside of the glass. Sacrificing his life... and presumably, cheating death. The lead-up in the Japanese trailer almost implies the opposite, but upon further review, Spock is not down. It's a tease. Well played.
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Could just be a "cool hiding place." Or it could be a place where Garth takes his victims to torture them, to play mind games on them...
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Thought it was Bones at first, but now freeze framing it, it looks like a short, fat, asian guy.
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...would've told Starfleet about Khan, the Borg, etc? Would that have been logical? No.
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Good points. Guess I need to watch Enterprise now. That theme song turned me off and I hated most of Voyager, so I never watched it.
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Just add to existing stories. Stop hogging the limelight.
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er, I mean scirocco ... surely he's finished *tending* his goats for the day ... although he does keep #1 (Riker) in reserve for extra cold nights!
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I admit, I've only watched a few Enterprises. I saw the first, so I know of him, but apparently he was killed off and the time war ended. Nonetheless, with Spock Prime going back in time, that could change the outcome of the war and bring it back. Nonetheless, if they really want to go that route, they could use this movie to explain who Future Guy is and it would be interesting if it were someone like Mitchell or Garth. Garth would be exceptionally cool, in fact.
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To me, the ST series in ranking goes: DS9 TOS TNG Enterprise Voyager I only saw some Enterprise. It seemed like meh but meh is better than Voyager. TOS/DS9 are always a toss-up. I think DS9 is better as a whole, but one has to give props to TOS for what it started.
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Who knows the rest of the lyrics? ;-P
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Same set up but more badass than whiney. Would intro Janice Rand nicely....
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The line that he says he has "returned" and will have his revenge makes me think this is J.J. Abrams take on "Wrath of Khan." And the last shot in the Japanese teaser of Kirk touching someone's hand through a pane of glass is an obvious homage to the classic climactic scene between Kirk and Spock at the end of "Wrath of Khan."
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Not Star Trek But it looks well made and probably fun. But it's not Star Trek.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST
The First 9 Minutes attached toThe Hobbit, ONLY in IMAX will be
by ButterNipples
The raid on The Botany Bay.
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1) JJ planned this all along; only reason to explain the weird 3-second cameo of George Samuel in the first movie 2) The last line in the Japanese version fits
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Dec. 6, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST
Ok. I get it. This is JJ Abrams Khan... and he has indeed returned..
by HornOrSilk
The Genesis device changed how he looks, made him younger, and sent him back in time. He ended up going through Star Fleet Academy and became an officer. All so he can finally take out Star Fleet as vengeance against Kirk.... Yes... that's time. Time Traveling Khan from the future sent back into the altered past all so he can get at Kirk one more time. Yes. That's it. derp derp derp
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Giving the Blonde the EXACT SAME haircut as Dr. Dehner from WNMHGB seems to be a strong indicator that it is Mitchell. I was thinking the return and vengence was pointing to Khan, but the IDW comic's killing off of Mitchell has that making line more sense now. Also IDW published comics that led directly into STXI, showing Spock's attempt to stop the Supernova. Maybe those new IDW comics are leading directly into In to Darkness.
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The ship in the water is probably the U.S.S. Valiant.
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to kikstad
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Another 2h vehicle to demo innovations in 3D particule generation softwares.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST
dougmckenzie -- there is a four issue "Countdown to Darkness" coming out
by HornOrSilk
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Countdown_to_Darkness,_Issue_1
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Dec. 6, 2012, 10:20 a.m. CST
She could be Dr. Elizabeth Dehner without the villain being Mitchell
by HornOrSilk
She and Mitchell don't have to be connected in the films..... and in the comics, they weren't. The problem with Mitchell is the vengeance aspect. It doesn't fit his character. But again, this is JJ Trek, and he can throw it all out the window if he wants.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST
The Picard/Shinzon theory makes no sense. The Sybok theory makes more sense.
by Royston Lodge
This movie takes place almost a century before Picard was even born, and Shinzon was created decades after that. Unless they bring more stupid bullshit time travel into it. Plus, now that Tom Hardy's a big name actor, it would be retarded to have a different actor play the same character now. If they were going to bring Shinzon/Picard into it, they would have simply cast Hardy. The Sybok theory makes a little more sense, except that Sybok was a full-blooded Vulcan, so he'd have unambiguously pointy ears, not simply 'sorta a little bit pointy' ears. I think Gary Mitchell is still the leading candidate for me, despite the British accent (which does sound remarkably like Patrick Stewart, I have to admit). What if, in this timeline, Mitchell somehow was to come into contact with The Borg? Imagine a Borg with supernatural powers.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST
The trailer was one or two BWAAAAHHHHMMMMs away from becoming SNL's 'Dear Sister' sketch.
by Bill C.
0:27 to 0:43. Seriously. (Alice Eve's screaming O-face didn't help matters, either.) That said: I guess I'm still holding out for more, since I'm not sure what to think about this movie based on this trailer. Full of sound and fury, signifying...what?
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I'm so swishy... I'm starting to believe it IS Garth. I don't really care. It's just something to piss some time away on.
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My guess is he is not as powerful as he was in WNMHGB -- especially if he is "resurrected" after being taken down by Kirk. So maybe he needs a gun after all. However, I still think Garth is the best fit.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST
Remember when Star Trek was about exploring the galaxy?
by yeah i'm a jerk!
What is this shit? This looks like a bunch of explosions. Matrix 4?!!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST
Assuming Benicio was offered the same role that went to Cumberbathch(and that is an assumption), doesn't that negate a lot of the theories that have been put forth?
by lox4444
Benicio could have played Sybok, Khan, or Joachim, or of course a new character, but not Gary Mitchel, or any of the other preexisting characters that have been mentioned. Again, I'm assuming the role Benicio walked away from is the one that went to Cumberbatch.
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And as this is JJ Trek, he could even play Yeoman Rand if they wanted
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I wonder if those issues might illustrate Mitchell's resurrection. Also one question I have is if it is Mitchell or the entity wanting revenge. Personally I hated the possession by a q-like entity RETCON of WNMHGB. I much preferred it as a philosophical tale of ultimate power corrupting a man. Don't ascribe the evil to an outside power. Show that it is actually within us.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST
So since Enterprise is the only Trek Series with its history unfucked by Nero...
by Margot Tenenbaum
...and I've read that they deal with Khan-style supermen at some point in the show (I've only seen the final episode of the series for the TNG elements), can anyone tell me if Cumberbatch could be an out-of-control attempt by Starfleet to recreate Khan-type people. Is there anything that ENT did to fuck with that possibility? That is the only Khan-related story that I could see working.
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I expect they would do so. Or they might leave the villain without a name, and just show him rising to power somewhere, keeping everyone in suspense. I can see them trying that. And if it is Mitchell, I think it will end up making him Mitchell-Khan.
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If it's Khan, return from the past and revenge for whatever Starfleet did to ruin his megolomaniacal plans from before. If it's Mitchell, this could be "what happens next" after he was presumed killed. If it's Garth, this could be the mayhem he unleashed when his ship returned refusing his genocidal orders and what eventually led them to place him in an asylum. Lots of possibilities, and J.J. Abrams can play with any or all of them for this alternate universe reboot version. I love it.
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Or the salt sucking alien chick's brother. Those are the only two that haven't been covered yet.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST
The more I think about it, the less I think Cumberbatch is Khan
by AlienFanatic
I think JJ's screwing with us once again. While the voiceover is ominous and SOUNDS like something Khan would say, Cumberbatch still maintains his British accent. He doesn't even affect an Indian accent. The brief cut with Kirk and Spock's hands has GOT to be a red herring designed to evoke Star Trek 2, but I can't possibly believe that Abrams would attempt to re-do that scene. I'm betting that the actual scene is either a) in a completely different context or b) absent from the final film, and was only intended for use with the trailer as a misdirection. I don't know who Cumberbatch is playing, but the more I think about it the more I lean away from Khan.
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the red lighting on the Enterprise is very reminiscent of Wrath of Khan when Enterprise was hit by Khan's missile attack...almost same shot of Kirk....perhaps like the hand shot, a wink pointing to Khan?
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You guys notice there is a Klingon in htere? The shot of the guy getting face-kicked, the kickee is wearing an Abrahms era Klingon helmet
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Garth said very clearly he wanted to punish his former crew. In other words, he clearly likes to take vengeance...
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What a bunch of little whiners....go play with your Trek doll errr action figures and troll troll away..your all very funny/sad to read.. Abrahms Trek very good and this looks to be great mind-candy as well.
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I thought the whole idea of the reboot was to allow the creative team to come up with new, interesting, characters and situations. Why invite the inevitable comparrison to Montalbán or Lockwood? And BTW, if the new antagonist is Gary Mitchell, who cares of he is British? What does it matter? The details of this ST time line are different than what we saw in TOS. For example, in the first reboot film, the Enterprise was built in Iawa instead of San Francisco and Chekov apears as part of the bridge crew from even before Kirk's tenure as captain instead of being promoted part way through Kirk's first five year mission.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST
Also if you watch Whom Gods Destroy, you will see Garth's clothing choice
by HornOrSilk
Has similarities to the poster
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...the "augments" we saw in ENT were the brainchild of one Dr. Arik Soong, who raised them from embryos in defiance of Starfleet while claiming that genetically enhanced humans wouldn't necessarily turn out to be Khans. Naturally, one of his "children" had just enough Khan in him to prove him wrong. That's as far as it went in-series, but since ENT also established that Section 31 existed at the same time...even discounting the alternate timeline aspects, there's room for some sort of wild-card Starfleet genetics experiment gone mad. I wouldn't put it past Team Abrams, either.
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It's Lore. Starfleet killed his father and now he's using the Crystaline Entity to destroy fucking everyone. Also, for those that say this is Trek, Roddenberry would have been pissed if he saw this Trek or the 2009. He didn't even like Deep Space 9. He made TOS and TNG the way he wanted and the point was to give people hope. Anyone ever noticed how every episode starts with everything being cool, the problem/villain coming about, and then everything being wrapped up neatly and positively at the end? It's because he wanted to show people that there was a positive future free of prejudice and greed and everything negative in this world. That's a fact, that's not an opinion. Abrams has created a dark, edgy popcorn movie. And they're good, they're very entertaining and well made. But he's missing the point of Roddenberry's vision badly. There's no hope, no positive message from these movies. The only message is that big balls, charisma, and a sharp tongue will get you promoted from cadet to captain in a flash!
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Both Kirk and XXXX are seen in their black undershirts with no departmental tunic. That would indicate they're going to recreate a scene from Whom Gods Destroy...where Garth shapeshifts into Kirk, they tussle, and both claim to be the real Kirk. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbENViWbu3w
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Cumberbatch probably is Gary Mitchell, not Khan. What probably is gonna happen is this: The enterprise is flying in space and everyone is happy. Kirk meets that Alice Eve character and the ships doing great boldly going and so forth. Gary Mitchell and Kirk are friends by the way. That storm comes and Gary's stuck in a room. Kirk tries to get him out but he can't and Gary because one of the blue glowy eyed scary mofos. then Gary mitchell disappears, they think he's dead, he comes out of that weird orange glowy thing (showed in the trailer) and is all "I will have my vengeance!".
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Dec. 6, 2012, 10:50 a.m. CST
HOLY SHIT what if they have to go find and thaw out Khan to deal with Cumberbatch
by Margot Tenenbaum
That would be something
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The water obscures the number, but the first digit is pretty clearly not a 1.
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Just kidding. But it would be cool. Not a big Quinto fan.
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That last shot was awesome!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST
BRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHMMMMSS!!!
by MariusXe
Thats all. Inception
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You know, Apollo comes back and wreaks havoc on the world because people have learned to live without the Gods. And the ship in the ocean? That's Poseidon's handiwork. That lets you know that shit just got real and they mean business.
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...are reminiscent of the Trek II ending when Spock bought it, and Kirk couldn't get to him. Maybe this indicates of them is going on some kind of suicide mission...either way, the trailer looks incredible.
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That's the kind of answer I was looking for.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 10:55 a.m. CST
Interesting why they left out the final hands scene from the U.S. teaser
by Kikstad
I like the Japanese cut much better -- those final shots, with the voiceover and music, are great! It's an obvious homage to Wrath of Khan and maybe Abrams thought it was too heavyhanded (pun intended) for American audiences, making us assume the villain will be Khan. I hope there are no more spoilers -- I want to see this film and see the plot unravel in the theaters. But I fear the nine-minute sneak peak will spoil any surprises left.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST
I wonder if the 9 minute thing is a condensed version of Where No Man Has Gone Before
by Margot Tenenbaum
The IDW comic book version was pretty uncomplicated and streamlined
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on Enterprise. Anyone know if he's playing the same guy in this one? Anyone know who this character is and what he might tie into in the trailer? I've never watched Enterprise.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST
@royston_lodge: check the Japanese trailer in 1080p at 0:34.
by Bill C.
The lens flare fucks it up, but for a literal split second you can make out "170."
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST
I can't believe how many of you are confused about the hands on the glass
by D.Vader
Its a blue shirt on the outside. Its a black shirt on the inside.
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http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/John_Frederick_Paxton John Frederick Paxton was a Human who served as chief administrator of the Orpheus Mining Colony on Luna. Paxton also led the xenophobic movement Terra Prime, a radical faction which advocated that all non-Humans be expelled from Earth, as well as the entire Sol system.
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Could BC be playing a pissed off, time-travelling David Marcus? Hence the 'family' comment? But my good money is still on Gary Mitchell.
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Seriously who the hell was he? We never found out thanks to Enterprise tanking. He sure sounded like he had a "brit" accent. Who knows who he could be and what axe he has to grind with the Federation. Makes sense to me.
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I have brought him up a few times...
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST
redshirt_24: Yeah, I think you're right. Right at 0:33.
by Royston Lodge
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST
Fanboys won't let go of the 80's until it's ripped from their cold, dead fingers.
by Snookeroo
The 80's are dust, gents. Let it go.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST
Excuse me while I convert the 1080p trailer into 2,300 png files...
by Royston Lodge
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...Kirk left him buried under that boulder on that planet at the edge of the universe. He's got to be pretty pissed off now that he got his powers back and came all the way back to Earth.
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I think that's what the hands on the glass means.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST
Yes, it's Khan. As for movie, it looks good. Too bad it's STINO.
by kabong
It will take years to eradicate the JJ taint.
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Um... ...yes it is. See? At the end of the teaser there? The words STAR and TREK? That indicates, to me, anyway, that this IS, in fact, STAR TREK. If you so passionately feel otherwise, here's a novel idea: Don't see it.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST
I'm starting to warm to the idea that this is Charlie X and that Alice Eve is Rand
by AlienFanatic
From the comments above, and on other websites, it really does begin to fit with the vibe of the trailer, the massive amount of destruction, and the fact that Eve's character on IMDB still hasn't been named. I could really get behind Charlie X as a protagonist. (I'm less convinced about Garth, though, especially in light of the speculation around Rand.)
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...Sherlock as Moriarty? Hell yeah.
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...and it's pretty compelling: http://io9.com/5966160/all-the-clues-and-easter-eggs-from-the-star-trek-into-darkness-teaser-trailer
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST
I swallowed The Empire Strikes Back and Star Trek The Next Generation whole
by Margot Tenenbaum
and I really hate sci-fi that is thinly veiled violence porn, unless they deal with it in the characterization like in the first couple seasons of the new Battlestar Galactica. I really feel that here should never, ever be a Star Trek series about tactical forces or creepy intelligence arms like Section 31. I'll take 30 Abrams electro-Trek films than one about secret Starfleet assassination teams. That's what I meant re: "bullshit militarism"
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST
I shed a tear at the beginning of JJ's first Trek, from the looks of the Japanese trailer ending I might cry again..Spock!
by 77AD
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Regarding the hands scene, no confusion. Whichever characters they are, the shot itself is reminiscent of the classic scene in Wrath of Khan. I think it's an intentional homage -- still no proof that this is a Khan story, but clearly a little nod to Star Trek II.
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They're teaching some garbage color theory out there these days.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST
Argh, dammit. How can Eve be Rand when she's wearing medical colors? God, it could be Gary Mitchell after all. Abrams, you are a teaser trailer genius.
by AlienFanatic
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST
Or . . . maybe it's . . . Kodos the Executioner on Tarsus IV.
by kabong
AKA Anton Karidian.
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So.... another Inception horn-blast trailer. We will have an entire generation of impressionable geeks turned into Pavlovian dogs every time they hear the BWAAAAAAAN horn blast.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST
alienfanatic because in the alt-universe, Rand could have become a nurse
by HornOrSilk
JJ Trek
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In one shot in the trailer, Eve is clearly wearing a blue medical/science tunic. Yeoman Rand was always a red shirt kinda gal.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST
royston lodge and in TOS Spock didn't embrace human emotions and have a fling
by HornOrSilk
JJ Trek
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST
What we REALLY want to know: Who's playing the voice of the ship's computer?
by Royston Lodge
Have they created a MacTalk version of Majel Barrett's voice?
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Usually due to an alien virus or Vulcan puberty, but it still happened.
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Benedict told Trek Movie: ''He is very ruthless. He is not a clearly good or evil character. He is a villain but the actions he takes has intent and reason. ''He is a complicated character not to be judged by white-or-black, or good-or-evil."
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST
Cumberbatch's costume is sorta similar to the So'Na uniforms from Insurrection.
by Royston Lodge
But only sorta.
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The whole point of my comment is that the characters and their histories are not going to be the same. JJ Trek doesn't give a damn about how they were in the original. They want it different. So if they want Rand practicing medicine, they have Rand practicing medicine. However, it's likely she is Elizabeth, and she had a former fling with McCoy, which is why McCoy is upset with her flirting with Kirk. And if it is Elizabeth, doesn't mean Mitchell has to be in it...
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I like it!
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I don't understand why everyone wants to see a bigscreen adaptation of an old foe instead of just something new. Especially since this is a whole new series.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST
royston: I'm hoping really hard that Judi Durand will be the voice of the computer this time around.
by Bill C.
Full circle, after a fashion. And it'd be kind of creepy if they went all copy-paste-edit with Majel's voice or something.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST
Ooh! A magical hop fist fight! Another tired 9/11 disaster porn homage! A rip-off of Spock's death scene from TWOK!
by gruntybear
Equals me so not seeing this piece of garbage EVER. Again. JJ. Dick-nose fucking put the BEASTIE BOYS in STINO. End of argument RE STINO's "wild popcorn ride."
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST
That said, watch as it turns out to be Miranda Cosgrove or something.
by Bill C.
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Whether or not it should be someone new, JJ Trek has said it is someone from the old canon...
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST
Ya see, this is why ST needs to be a TV series. In nearly every movie the Enterprise gets trashed or completely destroyed. Can't do that in episodes.
by MichaelH
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Blowing up Vulcan is one thing eliminating a basic part of the trilogy and the best interpretation of the old characters would be a huge mistake and really wouldn't go over well with anyone. I also agree that after all of this hype replacing Khan with un unknown character wouldn't have the same punch ( and hasn't Cumberbatch altready said his chararacter was an iconic one? ). No matter who he plays I'm sure Cumberbatch will be great! Can't wait for this!
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My money's still on Mitchell. The scene at the beginning looks like a Starfleet funeral with the 'missing man' formation of the craft flying overhead. Maybe the hands on glass are Kirk and Mitchell, in a flashback, where Mitchell appears to die, and the funeral is for Mitchell. One of the themes of the original movies was about how Kirk never had to face death, since he cheated on the Kubayashi test, etc. Maybe that's where they're coming from with the Mitchell story-line. Then Mitchell comes back, somehow, to get his revenge. Maybe his latent psionic abilities manifested themselves through resurrection. Abrams has always said he was more of a Star Wars fan. The explanation for psionics from Where No Man Has Come Before (which was never used again in any Trek series) is the closest Star Trek's ever come to The Force. All the stuff about 'esper ratings' is pretty similar to Midichlorians.
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So again, he fits the description. And it is quite possible someone or something is fueling his insanity -- if Paxton is in it, then he could have found the insane Garth and convinced him that the Federation, and the aliens in it, have done him harm and so he wants revenge.
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In this time line the "Abramsverse" Future guy might know that the timeline has been altered. His plans were always to destroy the Federation. Kirk stopped Nero from doing that. The rummor according the the folks who wrote Ent stated that "Future Guy" was someone from the Star Trek universe that was never revealed. Oh well that's my two cents.
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They'll have to bring him back like Spock. I just can't see him dying in a real sense. " What would you do for your family " sounds like someone ( McCoy or Spock they both wear blue ) may be captured and or threatened however.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST
OK, maybe it's not Khan . . . maybe it's Joachim, Khan's pal.
by kabong
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He is the accumulation of the psychic energy of every red-shirt man sent on a suicide mission. And he's angry.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST
If it is Gary Mitchell, d'you think Abram will slip in a 2001 reference here and there?
by Royston Lodge
Maybe the ship's computer will be voiced by Douglas Rain, and it'll beat Cumberbatch at chess.
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...with vulcan ears removed?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST
If it was Sybok, then Spock would have been WAY more prominently featured in the teaser.
by Royston Lodge
It's not Sybok.
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2, Khans revenge. 6, Kirks revenge. 8, Picards revenge. 9, Ru'Afos revenge. 10,Clone Picards revenge. 11,Neros revenge. People in the future be grudgy.
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That would be crazy
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Khan.
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nurse chapel arrives And it is mirror universe picard Now in your best Takei voice: Oh my.....
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It is revealed that during their academy days, Dr. Lester and Captain Kirk were intimately involved; however, Lester's inability to achieve command of a starship, which she believes had to do with her gender, caused the two to drift apart.
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...this is STILL the same "universe" as the original series and films albeit altered by Nero's actions some twenty-some years prior. Khan Noonian Singh, as played by Ricardo Montalban, is STILL in stasis on the SS Botany Bay. Has been since 1996. THAT hasn't changed. So, if this turns out to to be Khan, it is a WOEFULLY miscast Khan.
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... will be the filmed version of the first two issues of the Trek comic the writers commissioned, which constitute a beat-for-beat remake of "Where No Man Has Gone Before." It will be told all flashbacky and speeded up, condensing the episode into a much shorter time frame, and, because it's a recap of the second TOS pilot, fans will have no problem with it, and Abrams will get credit for respecting his source material. The writers have gone to great lengths to insist that the comics are canon. If so, why start the comics with a simple remake of the Gary Mitchell plot if it weren't going to have implications for the movie? It also provides a perfect red herring for the producers. "Look! Mitchell is dead! Can't be him, surely. (Wink, wink.)" Much like Spock's "death" at the beginning of TWOK during the Kobayashi Maru simulation. The comic remake only varies from the pilot in two key ways. First, they leave out Dehner, the Sally Kellerman chick, for no apparent reason. They also mention that she is an old flame of McCoy's. Setup for Dehner's arrival in the movie with a Kellerman haircut? Yes. Also, Spock stops Mitchell with a nerve pinch, which is consistent with the first stills we've seen from this production. The godlike Mitchell is presumed dead, but since he's, you know, God, he isn't dead. He's just pissed. He returns. Seeking vengeance on Kirk and Spock, who "killed" him. A one-man weapon of mass destruction. It all fits. The fact that he's British makes no difference. In this reality, Nero's machinations somehow moved the Mitchells to England before little Gary showed up. Honestly, the accent is such a minor nitpick - and it's certainly not Khan's accent. Khan makes no sense. Not an inside Starfleet guy; no reason for vengeance on Kirk in this continuity, and repeated, emphatic denials from everyone involved with the movie that Cumberbatch isn't Khan. The glass scene is clearly an homage to TWOK, but why does that mean Khan has to be the villain? Bond films have homages to earlier Bond films, but the appearance of the Connery-era Aston Martin in Skyfall didn't mean that Javier Bardem was playing Goldfinger. As for the other speculation - Soran? Sybok? Villains from the two absolutely worst Trek movies ever made? Really? There are legions of fans who insist the atrocity that is Star Trek V isn't canon. Who on earth would mine that dungheap for a classic villain? Garth of Izar is the only other possibility, but he's hardly godlike and not tied as personally to Kirk as Mitchell is. Given the Mitchell appearances in the comic, they seem to be laying the groundwork for Mitchell, who, as the featured player in the episode that started it all, has a more iconic status and a better revenge motive than Garth.
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This site is filled with alot of negative douche bags. Not all. But there are many.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST
stallion_cornell -- you are assuming the villain has super-powers
by HornOrSilk
Garth is a genius, and he does have super-powers, too, powers which he might have explored more giving him a boost above normal human abilities (which one would expect with his powers, btw). I think Mitchell was revealed by Urban as a red herring -- and it was all done on purpose, just like the Khan-like nods. It's all done to divert. Of course, I think Mitchell is the second best possibility, but Garth still fits what we see here: from personality, clothing styles, to the revenge motive and tactical genius.
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Who has found Khan and thawed him out to be the leader of a mercenary army. Corporations are evil as you know, and it's a ripe time to shit on them in Star Trek.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST
And of course, Kirk DOES have a personal connection with Garth
by HornOrSilk
That was also shown in the TOS episode. This was, in many respects, Kirk's hero.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST
To all those people saying “Why can’t this movie be about exploration”, etc. – none of the previous films were. They all featured the Enterprise crew reacting to some kind of crisis.
by Gary Makin
Star Trek Vl certainly wasn't about exploration, and that's one of the best. And it's dark.
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Best ... summation ... ever ...
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Sure Rand wore red in TOS, as did Uhura. Anybody see them in command? Blue indicates training in science or medicine. Why not make Rand a scientist? My bet is still Sally Kellerman. Wonder if we will see TNG species introduced in JJATrek movies. Talk of Blue made me think of Jadzia Dax.
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if they just treated his intro as a 'past adventure' and didn't retread the story itself.
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In order for this Star Trek to be emblematic of a "deterioration of art or society", it would have to either be art, a member of society, or one of its governing bodies. It is none of those things.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST
All those saying it is Mitchell and yet it can't be Rand we see...
by HornOrSilk
Why would Mitchell be wearing a BLUE uniform, hmm?
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...and the answer is Garth. It is not Khan because: he wearing a starfleet uniform. That leaves Mitchell or Garth. Note the super power jump in the scene against the blink and you miss them klingons. That's not Mitchell's powers, which are telekinetic in nature. Garth of Izar is a mangled human who was given shape shifting abilities by an alien race he then tried to destroy. That works here. The main issue is there's no backstory left from the first film to establish who would want revenge. Both Mitchell and Garth fit the 'revenge' factor, and the family factor. The best Mitchell argument that I can see is the they seem to be playing him and Kirk as around the same age, which would fit better. Also, where is McCoy and Chekov? Nurse Chapel?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST
I'm still leaning toward the Picard clone theory, here's why...
by American Mythos
... The Klingon that Cumberbatch is fighting could be a prison guard on Rura Penthe. Cumberbatch could have been another Romulan attempt to clone Picard, discovered and taken in as a child by Nero around the time of Romulus' destruction. When they go back in time and are captured by Klingons, Nero could have looked after Cumberbatch during their 25 years on Rura Penthe, educating him on the evils of the Federation. Cumberbatch may have been instrumental in helping Nero escape, perhaps sacrificing his own freedom so that Nero could have his revenge on Vulcan and Earth. But Kirk killed Nero. Why else is Cumberbatch doing a spot on impression of Patrick Stewart. Cumberbatch doesn't speak that way naturally, it's deliberate.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST
he's Gary Mitchell. it's so obvious b/c they copied Sally Kellerman's straight blond doo from that episode for the new gal in the cast
by smudgewhat
There ya go.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST
@hornorsilk Cumberbatch is wearing the black undershirt part of the uniform
by Margot Tenenbaum
We don't see him in blue at all.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST
here's the scoop: kirk is romancing Gary's ex (the blond) since he's been presumed dead, and now Gary wants to kick his ass and get his bitch back
by smudgewhat
Happens all the time.
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In one of the scenes, BC can be using using/holding what appears to be some kind of weapon. What use would a weapon be to Gary Mitchell? Mitchell don't need no stinkin' weapons. I think this trailer is evidence that BC is not playing Mitchell.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST
Nero's 25-year imprisonment on Rura Penthe is only glossed over in the 1st movie. Maybe it was done so b/c J.J. always planned to use the Picard clone story for the sequel.
by American Mythos
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Again, doesn't prove anything.
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Why else a lava-world? See how that works?
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It could be his powers have weakened in his "return." We don't know how long they would last, anyway. Maybe in preserving his life, he used up a lot of his powers and he now is "weaker." We don't know.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST
I'm officially switching my vote back to Captain Garth of Izar.
by kabong
He was the prototype starship captain. That makes him Kirk's "father" and the prime directive for Orci is ffffffffffamily.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST
The Picard clone story is a winner. I can see why JJ would save it for part 2.
by Margot Tenenbaum
WHO THE FUCK IS SHINZON OR PICARD OR WHATEVER!?!
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...than Inception again.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:41 p.m. CST
The Picard clone story is a winner. I can see why JJ would save it for part 2.
by Margot Tenenbaum
The masses have waited 10 long years for the return of Shinzon. Can you imagine what's going through Kirk's mind when Shinzon shows up and says I HAVE RETURNED FOR MY VENGEANCE! I can. WHO THE FUCK IS SHINZON OR PICARD OR WHATEVER!?!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST
FOR THOSE SAYING EVIL PICARD - ARE YOU SUGGESTING ITS SHINZON???
by J-Dizzle
Though surely they would have hired Tom Hardy for the role... Plus how would you explain for the fact that he died from being impaled at the end of Star Trek Nemesis?
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Need to see more before I render a final judgement.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST
Is there . . . anything I . . . would not . . . do . . . for my family? KHAAAAAAAAAN!
by elmo
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In the canon comic that retells the "Where No Man Has Gone Before," Mitchell is "killed" by Kirk with a shot from a laser rifle. Certainly Mitchell wouldn't need to have the rifle, but a vengeance-y Mitchell could well be using one just for the poetic justice of turning the same weapon that killed him on his killers. The idea that this is Picard or Shinzon is really goofy, it seems to me. It requires a convoluted time travel subplot, and why does Picard or Shinzon need revenge on Kirk? And if it's Shinzon, why is anyone paying attention to the appalling ST: Nemesis now when they completely ignored it when it was foisted on us ten years ago?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST
It's a second Shinzon that Nero was keeping in storage for the sequel.
by Margot Tenenbaum
Shinzon worked in a Reman mine, Nero and the Romulans were miners and Cumberbatch's VO in the trailer sounds vaguely like Patrick Stewart, thus the villain of the new Star Trek film is a spare Romulan Picard clone.
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So let's act like it, yeah? Show a little focus, dammit.
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"I have been... and always shall be... your friend."
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erm...James Cameron was the James Cameron of the 80s...
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST
This seems like a lot of effort just to remake 'Spock's Brain'.
by Christopher Bynum
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST
one more reason it's Gary Mitchell: Cumberbatch is sitting in Kirk's chair in a blue starfleet uniform. Khan wouldn't do this.
by smudgewhat
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Seeking vengeance for all of the redshirts killed in Star Trek.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST
Can you honestly see Cumberbatch and Pine ever hanging out together as 'best buds'?
by jasper Stillwell
So Mitchell is a 'no go' here, surely?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST
i also admit i feel slightly overwhelmed by what i'm seeing
by smudgewhat
i mean visually it's quite enticing. but if the story arc is just blowing shit up and people screaming for 2 hours then... i dunno.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST
You Mean Fanboys Can't Agree Who The Villain Is
by Lesbianna_Winterlude
Over at Facebook and Youtube, the good and decent members of mainstream society have had no difficulty reaching a rapid agreement.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST
The big bad in this sequel won't be a flamboyant guy named Garth. Sorry, it just won't. Plus, it was already mentioned the villian will be from canon, just not TOS canon.
by American Mythos
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These teasers do nothing for me. They are formulamatic and have no suspense or tension at all. Over all, they just feel "meh." And I am not saying the film will end up being "meh". I'm waiting to see it to judge that, but these trailers could be for any scifi actioner. Any at all. Boring. They need to expose a little more of what's actually happening. What am I looking foward to? I just don't see anything special here. Still looking forward to seeing it (and the ship coming out of the water was sweet looking), but these trailers are lacklustre to be sure. And the title is still stupid.
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I was just over at Youtube and you can see the same multiple theories you see here. So sorry but no.
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(Young) Picard in the future finds out that the timeline has been screwed with. Results in his family/crew being killed. Travels back in time to set things straight, just like Star Trek captains are s'posed to.
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might be a pro....bwaaaaaaaaa
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First I thought it was Soran. Then I saw the Japanese one and thought it was Khan. Then I came up with evil Picard. Then I was convinced it was Mitchell. Then someone convinced me it was Garth. Now I just think I really need some ADHD meds. I have no fucking clue.
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That was my theory. It's the funnest theory, but it gets shot down for a million reasons. Read the top of the thread.
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Yeah. That doesn't seem likely does it? That was the main reason why the Mitchell thing didn't sit right with me.
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After watching the trailer a few more times i have come up with another possibility (feel free to dismiss). Putting the trailer scenes in a different order when Spock is in the Lava setting it seems like spock would surely be killed due to the large eruption/explosion. And the "glass scene" could that be Spock after laying out his plan would of being dissuade by say Kirk and to prevent Kirk from stopping him causing the explosion, Spock locks Kirk up in the glass room and the Live long and prosper is Spock's final goodbye to his friend Captain Kirk before Spock goes to carry out the lava scene? Long shot but we are all about wild theories today :)
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Dec. 6, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST
It would be a Shinzon-esque Picard clone, not evil Picard fixing history. It's also a way for J.J. to bridge the first film's story with the sequel.
by American Mythos
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Dec. 6, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST
Yeah--the Shinzon thing wasn't mine. Neither was the Locutus theory
by David Duchovny
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They had two in the last one they could have killed him twice!
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Well then, speculate away!
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Is that the character Peter Weller probably plays? Volcanos...Mines...Underground. What could be there that he wants?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST
In the IDW comic, Kirk & co. initially tried to incarcerate Gary Mitchell in an old mining facility.
by Margot Tenenbaum
Maybe one owned by Peter Weller? Oh, you were going for a spare Shinzon thing.
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... in this timeline things happened a little differently. He was successfully marooned on Delta Vega, and Kirk made it out without having to outright kill him. Mitchell nearly died ... but ultimately survived, and evolved ... and eventually made it back to Earth. Can you imagine what Mitchell would have done if he made it back to Earth? Think it would look a lot like this trailer. Holy shit. Please let that be what the movie's about. Please. The only thing pissing on this theory is the guy's UK accent.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST
Weller as Garth using Cumberbatch/Mitchell as a weapon
by Margot Tenenbaum
just throwing things out there
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That's part of the problem. Of course, I am talking about TOS Mitchell. I don't know about JJ Trek's version. Just the original wasn't going for "vengeance." Garth still is the one who fits the best with that. Sure, Khan, Mitchell, and the Horta can all be turned into this if they wanted.... but Garth I think fits best with what we have seen.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST
If someone is "using" Cumberbatch's character and he isn't the leader
by HornOrSilk
Christian Bale is going to show up and scream at the screen for 30 minutes.
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Okay, using standard logic around time frames....Cumberbatch is 4 years older than Pine, which could easily translate to being a "senior" leader (as in went into the field etc before Kirk and became a hero/admired by other officers) Kirk looked up to this individual because he was a bit of cowboy too....something happened where in Starfleet abandoned this individual on a mission or such, where he was at the mercy of an unfriendly alien faction that imprisoned but also provided this individual (i have no idea of what we should really call him right now) with powers (see the force unleased kind of level of destruction from my hands shit) who either escapes or is allowed to leave...and he makes a b-line for earth to get some payback from Starfleet. He's looking to not only hurt starfleet, but also someone personally...so there is a Kirk/new bad guy connection....Guessing here, as most of us are doing...that Alice Eve may be playing Carol Marcus...fate etc what have you in this alternate timeline has a funny way of bringing people together (see kirk and spock on ice planet)...Alice Eve's character will be killed (Why else would she banshee scream unless she's about to buy it? by the actions of (Mtichkahn...okay now i have made up a name) and who is to say exactly how much time has passed since the "first" movie? Kirk could have fallen in love with Carol, gone on row row row your boat camping trips with Bones and Spock.. and her death sets him on a path of revenge...hence the scene where he punches Mitchkhan on the genesis look-alike planet (where he find the need to "hey i have to wear a leather overcoat like i did before i put it on my dead son's body prior to kicking Reverend Jim's ass for not only killing my kid, but also for blowing up my sweet sweet ride....Motz-Cho-Eee-Chu!! It's not Khan.Khan is in the Botany Bay Freezer ship..that hasn't changed..it's either someone like or is Garth of Izar...or it could very well be Gary Mitchell, but one that was not Kirk's best friend in this timeline, but did have a heroic career at Starfleet, but was "abandoned" by Starfleet a la James Bond in Die Another Day...ah, see...putting in my vote for Cumberbatch to be the next 007....but not for a few more go rounds by Craig. Either way, I'm glad that Popcorn Action Movie Trek is back....I have plenty of hours of let's explore and go in peace, but light up the phaser banks if we get messed with Trek TV available....I'm good for two hours of Holy Shitness!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST
Goddamn, but he really IS doing a spot-on Patrick Stewart impression.
by Royston Lodge
The more I listen to it, the more I'm wavering.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST
Did the same people who cut the IRON MAN 3 trailer, cut this one?
by AdmiralXizor
Villain voiceover... taunting the so-called ignorant masses about their impending doom... blonde girl screaming... hero falling into water... close up of sneering villain... (I like both trailers. Just wondering cause they are edited almost exactly the same.)
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It goes something like this: Bitchy ST Fan: Call it whatever you like, but that is NOT Star Trek! Rational Fan: What is ST then? Bitchy ST Fan: ST is a hopeful journey of space exploration, not this mindless action adventure garbage. Rational Fan: Can't ST be anything else? Bitchy ST Fan: NEVER! It is only as I have defined it, forever and on out, anything that ventures from the Original show is garbage and you who support it should be ashamed of yourself. Rational Fan: So basically you would only like it if they did a shot for shot recreation of some original episode. Bitchy ST Fan: EXACTLY! Rational Fan: Then why not just go back to masturbating to old episodes, why should they make anything new ever again? Bitchy ST Fan: Well...er...because, well I mean, it could be a little different. Rational Fan: Like how? Bitchy ST Fan: The phaser sounds could be enhanced? Rational Fan: Really? They should spend hundreds of millions of dollars recreating a 50 year old show, and just change out the phaser sounds? Didn't they do this on the new re-mastered DVD/Blu Ray digital editions? Bitchy ST Fan: Oh man, those are so awesome! Have you seen those! Rational Fan: Annnddd we are done here!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST
It's the greatest crossover stunt in all history... he is really..
by HornOrSilk
Sherlock. Sherlock died. And he is brought back to life, and he's turned evil, angry that no one helped save his life from the hands of Moriarty. And now he's back for vengeance. Ok... maybe not...
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Dec. 6, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST
Seems like Mitchell to me, only because Alice Eve is a dead ringer for Elizabeth Dehner.
by AdmiralXizor
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He's starting to look like Skip Homeier.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST
...but Gary Mitchell had silvery eyes in TOS; Cumberbatch had regular eyes in all close-ups.
by AdmiralXizor
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The destruction of Vulcan could have changed ship destinations, leading to the discovery of Khan earlier. Or Spock prime could have told someone in charge, who has an evil plan up his sleeve and releases Khan as a distraction. Or he could be Bane coming back thanks to the Genesis Pit.. wait.. wrong franchise.. :P
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Dec. 6, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST
Hey mel gibsteinberg we're having a conversation about the Trek villain
by Margot Tenenbaum
can you post your little plays elsewhere?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST
What if the timeline of the Mirror Universe has been changed as well?
by Royston Lodge
This theory is WAY out there, so I won't blame y'all if you flame it to death. What if, the mirrored events in the Mirror Universe include the alteration of that universe's timeline as well? What if, in the altered Mirror Universe it wasn't Spock that went back in time, but Picard instead? What if, somehow, the Mirror Picard crossed over into the AbramsTrek universe (and somehow became 30 years younger)?
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Coulson is time traveled to the 23rd Century after the battle of New York, he becomes part of the Enterprise Crew...wearing a red shirt, and when the attack on the fleet happens, due to their Bro level....His death leads the crew of the enterprise to seek revenge on Thanos. yeah, i'm not being serious...but you can tell by my username that i am either "standing by and watching for the turrents as I make my run" or I am "Givin' her all She's got!"
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Dec. 6, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST
smerdyakov: So, in other words, he's the perfect actor for James T. Kirk.
by Royston Lodge
See what I did there?
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pass the bong bro
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You own this space, the rest of us are just squatting. Aren't there fan forums for your theorizing? I'm responding to the response of this trailer, pardon me for calling out some of the horseshit I've read on this talkback.
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Doesn't the fucking hacks known as Orci & Kurtzman know anything different, than ripping off all past Star Trek storylines with just minor changes?
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fuck off
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Dec. 6, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST
Apropos of nothing, but I still hate that starships can launch from the surface in AbramsTrek.
by Royston Lodge
The idea that the Enterprise was built on the surface of the Earth still really bugs me.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST
Here's my latest theory: Cumby is playing either Bela Oxmyx or Jojo Krako. Think about it.
by theDORK
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I gave 8 good reasons upstream. They are still 8 good reasons. Prophet...own lifetime...whatever.
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It surely can't be the individual who got all twisted because someone had the audacity to make a comment, smack dab in the middle of their very important critical analysis of Star Trek villians and the components of variance that would lead to a statistical significant probability that said actor is portraying said villain.
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I would pay big money to see "A Piece of the Action" remade for $150 million. Do you think they could convincingly recreate the cheap looking Paramount backlot circa 1967? A caveat: I would only see this movie if they took the episode concept seriously.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST
stop shitting up the thread and start posting bullshit speculation like the rest of us
by Margot Tenenbaum
bitching about strawman Star Trek fans is soooooo 2009
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He's got fanboys endlessly speculating on the new movie and who the main villain is. Guaranteed asses in seats. Well played, Mr. Abrams. Well played.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST
if anyone's curious, that's McCoy jumping over the cliff with Kirk
by oisin5199
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How about "the_scream" and "hail to the thief" on this board just to name a few. Bitchy ST fans are everywhere!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST
Ok, top 10 list of who it could be, with those more probable on top
by HornOrSilk
1. Garth. I think he is the best fit from the series with the synopsis we have heard. He is a great character, and he isn't evil, just insane. He clearly seeks revenge for anyone he thinks wrongs him, and that would include the Federation. 2. Mitchell. I don't really want another Khan, though I think if they do Mitchell, he would be Khan-with-Super-powers. It would be a similar kind of revenge story (based upon the comics), but more needs to be explained, as to why he takes it out on the Federation. The Peter Weller character could be the explanation here. 3. Khan. It's clear he is a "known." It would certainly be a different story as to how he is brought back to life. It's possible Spock Prime told the Federation about him, Peter Weller's character, someone high up in the Federation, decided to use him as a pawn against Klingons, hoping to have him killed off in the process. Khan is double-crossed and thinks it is the Federation which decided to kill him off, and not just Weller's character, and so goes all Wrathful. 4. Future Guy. Just would tie the series together and allow for time-war kind of effects in the universe so Star Trek 3 could, in theory, be an alt-alt-universe as a result of what happens in this one. 5. Moriarty from TNG's holodeck. He finds a way into the real world by downloading his consciousness in a Picard-clone (there, the Picard clone theory). Would be a twist. 6. Captain Pike aided by the Telosians. The story actually is all an illusion and it is to test Kirk and Spock to see if they are ready for the up-coming threat in ST3. 7. Harry Mudd. Mudd is brown, making things dark... 8. The Salt Vampire. Star Trek wants to update its own vampire lore thanks to Twilight. 9. Dr. Soran. What people forget is that in the Nexus, a part of him always exists. And it keeps coming out at different times and places, at different "ages" of his life. The ending will be the attack of the 100 Sorans. 10. The Horta. Spock never helped it reconcile with the miners. It knows of the Federation and can shape change. And it's angry. Very very angry.
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Nope. Not buying the Shinzon thing. I honestly want to know what they are looking for underground and what a mining CEO from Enterprise is possibly doing in this movie
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST
Royston, VOYAGER launched from the surface... more than once. So it's not Abrams' thing.
by AdmiralXizor
Just saying.
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The 2009 way to nerd out was to call Abrams a fucking hack The 2012 way to nerd out is by typing "Garth of Izar", "Gary Mitchell" and "Picard clone" as many times as humanly possible.
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but the clone thing? Nah. Hated Nemesis. Don't want it to pollute this. I want this to be good.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST
Looks fucking great! Only problem is... I fucking HATE Star Trek! Haven't seen the reboot though. This is making me change that.
by MariusXe
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That's the best I got as rebuttals go.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST
hornorsilk I would actually put Sybok or Shinzon II above Future Guy
by Margot Tenenbaum
Sybok because I love him. Shinzon II because ITS TOTALLY SHINZON II
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST
Oh and by the way... Cumberbatch is fucking bad ass in this! Holy Fuck! They better do another Sherlock real quick! He won't be doing TV for long.
by MariusXe
I soooooo want him for the Batman reboot as the Joker. That would be awesome!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST
It's confirmed that Weller plays a CEO who has his own ship
by David Duchovny
He's not in Starfleet. What we don't have is his name or if he's in the canon.
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Even if I joke about it above. I don't even think Picard is connected. It's just coincidence. Or it could be Picard has been sent back in time, made young thanks to Q, and he is out to get vengeance on Spock Prime, who he thought was his friend, but now believes otherwise because his universe has become the one in which the Borg win.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2NTsD1IFyA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
by Cedric Ford
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST
Looks bloody awful. Trailer is like something Mr Bay directed.
by J.B.M.A.
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Come on. That's obvious.
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Yeah, I really wish it were Gary Mitchell but I don't think it is. Why would he need any type of physical weapon with the power he'd developed? The action sequence supports an enhanced human like Khan...who could also use his fellow augmented humans to pilot a ship that's capable of attacking the Enterprise. Mitchell wouldn't need a crew. Just my two cents.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST
It's Khan people...they're not going to use a villain only Star
by sonnyfern
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Was a joke, of course. But I do think it is odd he is one of THREE major characters whose ID is being kept secret.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST
It's Khan people...they're not going to use a villain only StarTrek supernerds have heard of
by sonnyfern
They gotta get asses in the seats. Everyone who even has a little Trek knowledge knows who Khan is, why would they use some little half ass villain who only appeared in some side novel?
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In the future, but not all the way into the future, The Borg attack Earth earlier in the timeline because Spock Prime's actions. Young Jean Luc Picard survives the destruction of most of humanity, and he's pissed. So he goes back in time to preempt The Borg invasion. I really hope this is NOT the movie. I'm sick of time travel in Trek.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST
sonnyfern in the first, they used a villain no ST fan knew about
by HornOrSilk
Whether or not ST fans only know of the villain before the movie is meaningless..
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST
If Weller is playing his character from Enterprise, he was part of Terra Prime, an anti-alien terrorist organization, and had cloned a human-Vulcan hybrid. This could tie into the remaining Vulcans needing a new home...
by American Mythos
... and settling on Earth. Perhaps Weller and Cumberbatch's character, whoever he is, team up with the mutual goal of killing the remaining Vulcans, though each man has separate reasons for that objective.
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Nice. Ty!
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for the first time. Horny for new Trek now. (will be new to me)
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST
Note: The Enterprise TV series takes place 100 years before the current Trek films
by Margot Tenenbaum
Just saying.
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Thanks. Also good to see someone actually interested in speculating for the fun of it, rather than shouting at each other (why IS there so much of that at this site?) I liked your reasoning about Soran, but like others, feel that he is probably too little known by the mainstream audience for a major tentpole. Same could probably be said for my plug for Sam. Oh well. Actually, since they managed to do "Starfleet Academy" in the 2009 movie with a twist (Nero changing the timeline) and make it work (for me, anyway), I have faith that they can do Khan with a twist that none of us will see coming and make it work as well. I hope.
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You made my point beautifully. I mean, you're clearly a tool of the highest order, and an immature, pretentious, piece of trash, but you helped illustrate the very thing I was complaining about. Margot can suck it!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:19 p.m. CST
Cellarrat's line by line breakdown of Harry's Jack Reacher review. It's a masterpiece talkback post..
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59895 Dec 06, 2012 12:49:25 PM CST Line-by-Line breakdown of this review. by the_cellarrat I’ve seen JACK REACHER for about a month now. - Do you mean you saw it a month ago? What do you mean you've SEEN IT FOR A MONTH? Just cleared the embargo stage so let’s hop right into it. - What just cleared? You or the movie? Why should you give two shits about this film? - I was hoping your review would tell me, but there's no need to curse at me about it. Well, it is based on a series of books by Lee Child that has huge fans. - That doesn't help me, and now you are talking to yourself. Reacher is essentially the most badass Military Detective that there ever was. - As opposed to all those other famous military detectives (racking my brains here). Also, Why capitalize Military Detectives? He found problems. - My God! Groundbreaking for a detec- I mean, Detective. That life is in the rearview and now he wanders the earth like Kane from Kung Fu having adventures. - Adventures! Sounds Fun…and I like Kung Fu. Now, there’s no Eastern philosophy. - You're talking to yourself again…arguing, even. Jack Reacher is a bit more like John Rambo… except a whole lot more functional. - Thanks, so you brought up the Kane thing just to negate it. Rambo’s zero to sixty is almost instantaneous. - Metaphors! But, um, what does this have to do with anything? Jack Reacher has that kind of acceleration of violence, but he has a rather intense personal code. - so, Zero to Sixty when violence is involved, and he has a code. That sentence contradicts itself. I’m pretty sure he belongs behind bars… but he’s kinda like the whole damn A-TEAM boiled into one very lethal Tom Cruise. - Another reference that will surely dead-end. Harry, you know that sentence actually would make sense if you removed the word *but*, right? Reacher is probably a bit more talkative than his character in the book, but McQuarrie’s dialogue for Reacher is so choice. - He talks more but the dialogue is good. Thank you for finally making a point about the movie, even if you had to resort to Ferris Bueller vocabulary to do it. In fact if you watch Cruise’s Jack Reacher… efficient & precise describe his actions, dialogue and line of thought. - But if I don't watch him, why am I at a movie theater? Shortest distances. - Fragment Sentences. He keeps things explosive, even if they’re barbs of the verbal side. - Does he use explosive physical barbs as well? AWESOME! You should not be surprised. - No, I did pay to see an action movie. I'd be pretty damn stupid to expect Flowers for Algernon or the like. This film is the second feature film directed by Christopher McQuarrie. - Ladies and Gentlemen!!! The first sentence sp far that makes a clear point, punctuates correctly, and has no extraneous phrases. Bravo, Harry! The first is an intensely violent crime film called THE WAY OF THE GUN. - Keep it up, doin' good! McQuarrie is all kinds of sharp. - Yeah, losing it with the trite and underperforming metaphors again…. He writes and directs like a clockwork mechanism. - See above. You always can look and marvel at the film as it comes together. - Jesus, I hope so… I didn't go in expecting Un Chien Andalau. It is deliberately clever & I really respond to that in a film like this. - Good to know you don't respond to films that are accidentally clever. JACK REACHER is an old school man with internally created way of life. - What is this, his resume as written by 1950's central casting? He’s a man like The Outlaw Josey Wales. - Whew! I was nurturing a suspicion that he was a woman. And that’s a very good film to conjure when talking about this movie. - SO…now you are complimenting yourself on your yet unsupported metaphors? You’re talking ex-Military badass, never able to return home. - No, you are, but yes, I see the comparison. Living day by day the way he lives. - Is there anyone this sentence does not apply to? He’s a violent man. - Cohesive sentence #3!!! He stays off the clock, between the shadows. - The space3 in between shadows is where light is. Think your metaphors though, Harry. He uses the Greyhound bus system to travel. - I use the Greyhound Bus system to dine. No ID checks, no tracking. - No verbs, no coherence. You get the idea… trouble finds him… you also get the idea that people around him get hurt and he moves forward. - I should hope we get the idea, or the filmmaker is seriously lacking. Always forward. - Which direction again? I forgot from the last sentence. He doesn’t do anything that he can’t live with. - Neither do serial killers, but I get your point. Now the bad guys in this are into political corruption, they’re part of the infection feeding on society, but that’s getting ahead of myself. - How so? This is a written review…put it in the order you want to. The film starts off with a sniper mass murder spree. - Mass and Spree? Damn..now it is really unforgivable. Brutal and not glorified. - Verbless and Thoughtless. It isn’t a cool scene… it’s an oddly familiar one. - Good, I wouldn;t want the scene to be like it was a mass murder scene as taken from Swingers. The kind of thing you wouldn’t be surprised to have explode into tomorrow’s media. - Explode? I'm glad you finally settled on using a verb, but please try again. They quickly capture the “guy” – he’s disenfranchised, ex-military… even had a history of this kind of thing. - Why is Guy in quotes? Is it a chick? Is this like The Crying Game? All the evidence points to him and there is an OVERWHELMING CASE against him. - OVERWHELMING CASE in capitals, huh? Judge'll be all over that. He says, GET JACK REACHER. - Did he say the comma out loud too? Like I said, this crime has the media circus swirling and even a transient badass like Reacher sees the news and he had sworn to this killer that… - Like you said? You've said nothing of the kind yet. Well, that’d be telling too much. - AGAIN! You are writing this review…why bring it up only to argue with yourself and cut yourself off? Rosamund Pike plays the lawyer defending the mass murderer against her DA Father. - Ah, a plot point. Wow, her father, eh? The only two lawyers in the country? Things occur, Reacher begins helping the Defense after checking out the evidence. - OH MY GOD! LOOK OUT! THINGS ARE OCCURRING! He smells a frame. - He feels the love. Rosamund suffers a bit in the film from that Sondra Locke in JOSEY WALES syndrome. - You mean where she's a crappy actress up against a great actor? yeah, I can see that. When you have Josey Wales in a movie, do you really crave anything else? - I crave the requisite amount of proteins and nutrients to survive. She isn’t bad… she’s just doesn’t have THE part, ya know? - Harry, DO…NOT….WRITE…. BS that makes no sense like that and try to tie it up into a thought by finishing with *ya know?*. Between Cruise and… WERNER HERZOG! - What is between them? A spider??? Now – I love films like this. - Only now, or usually? Trail mysteries where each breadcrumb leads to the next – and then… eventually people are being killed in Werner Herzog’s fucking presence – because WERNER HERZOG is one of the scariest men ever. - That sentence is meant to describe the types of movies Harry likes. I like movies where people get killed in Werner Herzog's presence also. Excuse me, his *fucking* presence. God bless him. - If you're trying to say we have a good villain here, please do so. He’s our Eric Von Stroheim and I adore him. - I don't follow….because he is germanic, is both a director and actor…what do you mean? People remain mysteries when they’re tough and when you hear the story Herzog tells about his character’s origin…. It is SO AWESOME – it’s a classic McQuarrie criminal bedtime tale – and I can’t get enough of these. - Wow, that sentence really meandered. By thew way, how can a guy with only one other directed movie under his belt have a *classic* signature? It isn’t as operatic at Keyser Soze, but you can bet Keyser likes The Zec’s style. - Come back Harry. Reality is over here. If you love PARKER movies, this is a movie and a character of that kind of determination. - But only IF I love Parker movies. Both of them? What about PETER PARKER movies? JACK REACHER is made of that pulp – and McQuarrie knows that pulp. - Ick. Cruise smartly puts himself in McQuarrie’s hands and the film that comes out of that has a wonderful swagger. - Cruise puts himself in the hands of a man who knows his pulp and a film comes out. Again, Ick. OH and Robert Duvall is a retired Marine with a Shooting Range that Reacher ends up at… and Duvall is totally in the Chief Dan George – CHARACTER & COLOR mode. - OH! Thank god you remembered. First draft theater is now on the air! He’s awesome. - Trenchant! Just like Chief Dan George was awesome in Josey Wales. - But only awesome like Dan George was, not awesome like any other awesome movie actors playing great parts well. Now I know, I’ve brought up THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES so I assume you have to want to know, what’s better? - No one cares at this point Harry. You're building a narrative around thoughts you have barely articulated even to yourself. Well, OUTLAW JOSEY WALES. - Breath was baited, now relieved. Duh. - You're gonna insult me about an argument you had with yourself? By miles, because that’s my favorite Eastwood western. - The because hardly matches the logical build up, but, um great! Glad you like it. Love it. - Sorry, glad you LOVE IT. And to have a film set in the current world that evokes that iconic man of mystery. - …would be the basis for another fragment sentence. The alley angel you hope is out there maybe putting a few wrongs right the wrong way. - Show me on this doll where the Alley Angel touched you the wrong way. This film is called JACK REACHER and after you see it, you’ll know the name and what it stands for. - Good God! I bet Jack Reacher was that Jack Reacher guy all along, in that movie I just saw called Jack Reacher! Brilliant! Also keep your eyes on David Oyelowo, he’s the investigatind Detective on the case that starts the film. - Sigh, spellcheck, Harry. He does real good work in a role that lets him have some fun. - REAL GOOD WORK. I hope he adds that to his resume. He keeps doing really wonderful work in film. - And on the dance floor, I hear. Can’t wait to see what he has for us next. - Who can't? Me? You? Who am I talking to? I’m so happy that McQuarrie finally has that career fire burning that I’ve wanted for him ever since I saw WAY OF THE GUN. - A pretty slow burn, but yeah. Can I mention that film enough? - That was only the second time you;ve mentioned it. You mentioned Josey Wales 79 times, though. And if McQuarrie gets to make a MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE film like it looks like, it’ll be one helluva caper flick… hope there’s some genuine flim flam going on. - Just spew out some random words there, Harry. No one reads to the bottom of your reviews anyway. 12 years between his first and second feature and McQuarrie is improving with age! - It is a good way to beat the ol' sophomore sup trend if you take 11 years off between semesters. Now it gets really interesting. - It already has. Thanks Harry.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST
Do Kirk and Mystery Villain share a look of brotherly recognition?
by David Duchovny
hmmm?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST
gotta love how the sci-fi genre just seems like a fucking joke or childish crap to Abrams...
by Squinty CGI Flynn
anything sci-fi that isn't Star Wars is only a parody of Star Wars. Keep up with those flashy wafer-thin plotted movies
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Benedict Cumberbatch is George Samuel Kirk, and Peter Weller is Sybok. They join forces because they both blame their brothers for what's happened to the Federation.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST
in Star Trek Countdown, Picard has a similar looking long-coat to Cumberbatch's.
by Royston Lodge
I may be grasping at straws here though. http://img.trekmovie.com/images/st09/alt-count4.jpg
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Thanks so much.
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Sweet! lol
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The thing against Mitchell in this trailer is that as of yet he doesn't seem that God like. Why would he have to jump down from anything? Wouldn't he just appear there? Perhaps though there's aspects we're unaware of. I think it would be cool if it was Mitchell. That would make for a good story. Also over at io9 the stills from the trailer there clearly show Cumberbatch's opponent is a Klingon and that later Cumberbatch is wearing the same high collar outfit they do. Also the building in the middle of all of that red stuff looks like the top of the yellow domed building in the other stills. Fun speculation and can't wait!!!!!!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST
*spoiler* it is Khan, back from being banished by Earth (first nine minutes showes this), Alice Eve is carrol marcus (pregnant by end with david), but it's kirk that dies in the end to save everyone.
by M_Night_Salamipants
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I have said it several times that I didn't think the first Trek was that good. I felt it was full of plot holes, got the characters wrong, and just didn't do it for me. It's, however, not the worst Trek ever done (Voyager has far worse), and it's not as if shows sometimes have a bad story followed by a good one by the same author. So I say I will give this one a shot, and I do think the trailer looks much better than anything we saw in the first (and the trailers from the first). It might seem a bit cliche with revenge and everything, but I see something coming into this alt-universe Trek which might build up to a big conclusion in ST3. What if EARTH is destroyed by the end of this, like Vulcan was in the first? What if there is a bigger plot developing, with someone playing games with the universe, to destroy the Federation in the past because of what it did in the future? This could make ST3 tie in with TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise as well as TOS. It's possible. The bigger picture might be more interesting than the prologue. And I say this is a possibility only because there IS a JJ-based show I like, Fringe. I'm not a fan of most of his earlier work, but Fringe shows development which could be put into ST. So, though I am critical of the first one, I still want to give this one a chance.
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Thank you. That's all I wanted to know. Jesus, now was that so difficult.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST
m_night_salamipants and how do you know that is what the first 9 mins show?
by HornOrSilk
I've heard so many people say different things about those 9 mins. Maybe ST2 is following Clue, and there are multiple versions of the film, and Benedict's character is given a different name in each. Yeah, that's it. And there are four editions of the first nine minutes. Yeah. There.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST
I assumed the blonde was ensign Rand - but the other guesses make more sense
by FrodoFraggins
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Bones was like 120 years old or something in TNG. Picard won't be born for quite some time. Plus the Trek fans would go apeshit if they turned picard into a bad guy.
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How did you see Carol Marcus at the end of the film in the first 9 min? Also how did you see this at all this early?
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The 2009 trek wasn't all crap. It just seemed like 5-Hour Energy version of New Coke. I did have fun in the theater seeing it. Voyager and, in my opinion, Enterprise were far worse. That all being said, of course I'm gonna pay to see this. Now that the (idiotic) origin stories have been established, we can movie forward with a real plot. Hopefully.
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Peter Weller, whose character plays a mentor to Cumberbatch's. This could be because Weller's character has some sort of telling outfit or makeup that would give away the villains' tightly-wrapped identities.
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Time Travel. Idiot.
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You've BOTH got very valid points. While, Margot, I am enjoying your attempts to deduce the villain here (and, honestly, going by just footage from the teaser here, it could be any number of possible choices so you could do this all day and still not be correct), I believe that Mel's little "one act play" was both funny and, frankly, correct. We TREK fans are loyal. SOME are loyal to a fault. The grip (dare I say Vulcan nerve pinch?) needs to be loosened. As much as some of us bitch and complain about how the new films focus more on action, I dare say that some of the best of the previous films...WRATH OF KHAN...UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY...FIRST CONTACT...wwere rather action-oriented as well and, yet, still seem to fall under the "It's STAR TREK!" banner while the new films are being unfairly branded as "NOT STAR TREK!" strictly based, it seems, on stylistic changes that, in MY MIND, have breathed new life into the franchise. CHANGE is okay. Not being FOND of those changes is okay, too. But some of these folks are being rather cantankerous children and great examples of why being a STAR TREK fan makes you an automatic punchline.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST
"banished", "beat", it's all samantics. He was deposed from power after the Eugenics wars and "left" (is that better for such sensitive eyes) Earth. remember this is an alternate reality since the last movie, instead of trying to build a new culture on
by M_Night_Salamipants
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Nice to know some things never change.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST
m_night_salamipants -- the alt-reality doesn't go back to Khan's time
by HornOrSilk
You have yet to tell us how you know what the 9 mins is all about. I am doubtful of your claim, especially because of what you have said already doesn't fit things right. And you just are trolling, is my guess.
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or so I'm told. Too heartbroken to look.
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With Vulcan destroyed, that means the Federation has lost a huge part of its support. Could the Klingons use this power vacuum to win a future war against Humanity? Could an even older, more decrepit Spock Prime (who is, by now, getting pretty good at time travel) seek out a young refugee named Picard in order to send him back to Kirk's time in order to avert the Klingon extermination of Humanity? Who says Cumberbatch is seeking his vengeance from Starfleet or the Federation? Maybe he's seeking his vengeance from the Klingons?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST
hornorsik- i know it doesn't. i said, since the last movie (time-frame wise).
by M_Night_Salamipants
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST
Except as Star Trek talkbacks go, this has been a pretty chill one with a minimum of nerdy Abrams cursing.
by Margot Tenenbaum
Most of us are talking about Picard clones not STINO or whatever. You're the ones being disruptive to this conversation by making strawman arguments that aren't really happening here. I don't think you've even read the thread.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST
Like, what if Young Picard is like a human version of Nero...
by Royston Lodge
...with Qo'nos as his target instead of Vulcan.
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This film will deal with immigration. The Vulcans need a place to live and Weller's character unthaws Khan to wipe them off of Earth. Very timely. Gene would be proud.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST
IMDb Pro says Benedict Cumberbatch ... Khan (rumored)
by Margot Tenenbaum
And IMDb is as user-created as Wikipedia so take it with a grain of salt
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST
So m_night_salamipants How did you see the end of the film in the first 9 min?
by Real Deal
Hmmm? And how did you see the first 9min clip at all this early? Sorry something makes me think it just doesn't wash. I'm with hornorsilk on this one.
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...I had heard she was a totally new character. But that doesn't mean she can't me an amalgamation of different characters in one -- part Rand, part Chapel, part whichever female character fits the role of anyother female character in the Khan-Mitchell-Garth-Mudd-CharlieX mythology.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST
IMDB lists him as "Khan (rumored)" so not a confirmation.
by blackmantis
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST
And I', worried that the actual movie won't live up to all these awesome speculations, which is why...
by Kikstad
...SPOILERS SUCK!
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Fail.
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Cumberbatches voice is a spot on match for Picards right down to the accent and almost the tone. When I first heard it I thought it was Patrick Stewart. Upon further listening I noticed that he almost goes out of his way to enunciate just like Picard, but I do not think it is in fact Picard. I am stumped as to why Cumberbatch decided to utilize Stewarts voice though.. I noticed the glass reference like most, one sleeve is blue, the other green.. Who was wearing green? (will have to go back and watch) Also Cumberbatch is wearing a starfleet uniform, but that could mean anything.. Overall I liked the trailer and was sad to see the lens flare nowhere to be found, but I would have to guess that we shall see that as the Enterprise is riding off into the sunset.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST
I like to think TOS did the best with Khan in two stories... and what makes Khan great can't be repeated
by HornOrSilk
He is a tragic villain. He is one who isn't even entirely evil. He was supposed to be the most benign of the princes from the eugenics war, bringing a sense of peace with his mighty fist. He seems to have a sense of honor and a desire to do good, but also believes the ends justify the means, when pressed. He believes he is also fated to be in power because of how superior he is to everyone else. He believes he is meant to show his superiority by how he controls the environment around him. At the end of his introductory story, he has been given the feminine complement he needed, a woman who could keep him in check. Kirk and Spock think he could, in some ways, be reformed and help create a spectacular colony which would have something to offer in the future. The tragedy is what happens between TOS and WoK. He turns evil, gives up on the benign desires, and seeks revenge because of the hell-hole the world he is on becomes without Kirk doing something to help him. Even then, however, there is his old ways left in him, and he initially wants Genesis thinking it could give him what he needs to achieve his proper place in the universe. Kirk gets in his way and so Khan is transformed fully into Ahab, all consumed by the Kirk. The tragedy is that Khan is really made by Kirk. I don't think he would always turn out evil. Indeed, I think the right woman, the right place to live, and he would find the challenge is enough to satisfy him and he could live in relative peace.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST
Having said that about Khan... just thought of something else...
by HornOrSilk
It could be a time-traveling Khan who was brought back to life by the Genesis device; he pre-planned his death and found a way to preserve his memories to upload it in the new, younger body... and he got off before the planet blew, and then he goes back in time for revenge. Ok not going to happen, but it is a twist on Khan.
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USS Stargazer crashing into the water?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST
@hornorsilk The secret of Star Trek II is that Khan's emotional state is not totally out of line
by Margot Tenenbaum
And Kirk was wrong to never go back to Ceti Alpha V. But that all goes out the window when 400+ people's lives are on the line. I wish Abrams & Co. would have filmed some of the Star Trek Countdown material because i think they could have made audiences relate more to the story if they'd covered more of Spock & Nero's relationship instead of just handwaving it with Nimoy narration. That being said, if Cumberbatch is Khan in this one, I have no clue who he's taking revenge on because its like 200 years after the Eugenics Wars.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST
is this really what we want in star trek?? another fuckin villian out for vengence??
by robamenta
every fuckin star trek movie its the same fuckin thing....remember when star trek was about exploring ideas? just at the top of my head...wouldnt be cool if they did a film where they witnessed the big bang. or maybe the origin of the borg. go far off into the future and witness the big crunch. maybe how the Q came to be?
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST
My dream Trek is Q throwing the next generation crew across the universe and they just expolre strange phenomena like a fictionalized Carl Sagan's Cosmos
by Margot Tenenbaum
But then I put the weed away.
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Ok Mandy, when I raise my hand you scream at the camera. Scream like its spring break and the DJ is playing Poker Face! GOOD GOOD! Now go wait in my trailer and I promise you'll be in the theatrical teaser.
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The geneticist Arik Soong stole augment Embryo's after Khan's death and created "children" who he HOPED would not turn out like Khan. Arik Soong tried teaching the "children" that the Botany Bay and Khan was just a myth. The children didnt believe it, and especially the child "NOONIAN SOONG" ((named after Khan) began working on androids and actually created the android Data from TNG.) Maybe Noonian became obsessed with Khan and saw him as an idol and believe the Starfleet had wronged his "Family" (The main theme of Into Darkness) and therefore due to the timeline differences, travelled through time to kill Kirk and destroy Starfleet along with Earth as revenge for Ceti Alpha. I remain adamant that Peter Weller is a doppleganger for Joachim aswell.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST
For what it's worth: That old quote from an 'informant close to the production' was...
by Royston Lodge
It’s definitely a character that will make fans of TOS excited. Think along the lines of Harry Mudd or Trelane or Gary Mitchell or the Talosians or the Horta. Actually it’s one of those that I named.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST
http://trekmovie.com/2010/10/25/rumor-no-khan-for-star-trek-sequel-but-known-tos-villain/
by Royston Lodge
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Stewart's voice is much more resonant, and still has a mild Yorkshire twang. Cumberbatch's voice is pure southeast England.
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With David. Yeah, sure. Because despite being in a totally different timeline, the same exact one sperm from Kirk's balls happens to meet the same exact one ova inside Marcus. Right.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST
they might me meshing Gary Mitchell and the Eugenics thing...
by Squinty CGI Flynn
maybe
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST
misterdarcy: This is Star Trek, where Nazis and the Roman Empire evolved independently on distant planets.
by Royston Lodge
That level of coincidence would be minor-league for Star Trek.
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Obviously.
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They were starting over again with the first movie, they weren't even sure if it was going to work, or course they weren't going to throw out the big guns. But now that they've established everything and the first was a hit, and they need to throw out all the stops, and they're building up this HUGE villain and making a big deal out of him, it's going to be Khan...if it's a new villain that's one thing, but if they're going with an old one...it's KHAN. No doubt, no question.
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Thanks for stopping by and telling everyone on the thread that the guy who sounds exactly like Picard doesn't sound anything like Picard. Appreciate that.
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Stop fooling yourself.
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Nice evidence. You a scientist?
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...the fact that SO MANY people here are passionate about it on both sides of the spectrum only tells me this movie is going to do SERIOUS box office. So many theories about 'the villain' and that just adds to the excitement. I can't wait for this movie. I loved ST 2009 and have complete faith STID is going to be at least as awesome a movie - but probably a hell of a lot better and that is saying something.
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About had it with your lame ass schtick. Added absolutely nothing to this conversation. Go watch The Tholian Web and TMP. You don't belong here anyway. This isn't REAL Trek anyway, right?
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I've never once claimed that this film wasn't real Trek.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST
Agreed, some very interesting rumors floating around about what that's actually showing
by Kevin
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Before the movie comes out, I expect we will know who the villain is, and some people might end up going "meh." Not saying they will, but right now, the mystery adds to discussion, not necessarily viewers.
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I know Tom Paris & Harry Kim were annoying, but really? You didn't like... The Hirogen? The Year of Hell? The water planet? Geordi La Forge as Captain? The USS Equinox? It wasn't all horrible. Even TNG had its Wesley Crusher, and Scotty was a complete PiS falling for every alien woman that smiled at him, and NEVER ONCE getting any... :)
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST
SO EVERYBODY WANTS VENGEANCE NOW?! I agree with what "the_scream" said to the 199th power. FUCK this movie, I will be avoiding it like the plague!!
by NorthTronic
Again this is Star "Wars" it is "Trek" no more. The last movie sucked too, they it dumbed it down with pretty explosions & cool effects!! FUCK THIS MOVIE AND THE HORSE IT RODE IN ON!!!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST
that scene with the blond girl screaming should be a meme or a gif. maybe she already is. i'll look into it.
by julia
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Real Star Trek would have put me to sleep immediately.
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If it's really Khan, why would he be sporting a Starfleet shirt? Even in Wrath he only wore bits and pieces of a uniform, not the whole shebang. The revenge against the federation bit doesn't make sense. And seriously, no offense to Herc or anything, but if they kill off Khan as they find the Botany Bay, I'd be highly driven to walk out of the theater right there. Annihilating Vulcan was certainly a 'rape the dog' moment, but it fit with Nero's revenge character. Killing Khan would be as big an F-U (and probably just as unintentional) as killing Trip was. A Starfleet Six team sounds cool, but there's no way you could recondition genetic supermen. No way. My money is still on Gary Mitchell and Elizabeth Dehner. Besides, Carol Marcus never was Starfleet, was she?
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He has his own ship (the Botany Bay). He is going to join forces with Kirk to fight an even greater menace.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST
i LIKE what robamenta said & those are cool fresh concepts seriously why not do that? it's got an explosion in it.
by NorthTronic
Bring it back to TV set it further in the future EXPLORE, NOT BLOW SHIT UP....all the time.
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Don't remember the Roman Empire one, but in the TOS episode where there were space Nazi's, weren't they there because a human historian who landed on that world tried to bring it together and into civilization, and he used Nazi Germany as a model of an efficient civilization gathered behind common cause, only to have it backfire that they also needed a common enemy to commit genocide against?
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The Borg Queen before she is turned into a Borg. Obviously.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST
nysco6390: Upon Googling, I see you're right about the Nazi planet, however...
by Royston Lodge
The Roman Empire planet (892-IV) and the Communist vs. Yankees planet (Omega IV) evolved independently, and Miri's World had identical topography to Earth. http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Hodgkin's_Law_of_Parallel_Planetary_Development
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I'm still sticking by my 8 points. I just think it makes more narrative sense that way.
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that tribbles could do so much damage?
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That scene at the end of the Japanese trailer is the same scene from the end of Star Trek II. Spock is in engineering, trying to repair the warp core. Kirk is outside, watching as he dies. That's why they place their hands on the window, just like in Star Trek II.
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He wants vengeance on the screen writers of DS9, who gave him a wonderful character-arc the last season, only to randomly kill him off with a phaser blast for no reason.
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Carol could have always wanted to name her first boy David. Could have been after her father, or another male family member. Then it's just a 50/50 shot of her child being male. It won't be the same "David" from the original timeline, but not a stretch to think she won't have another "David".
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He had glowing eyes! Jackasses!
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST
I hope Khan is in this one in some way, but is not the big villain
by F This
I'd love for them to set up a character arc for Khan in this one that leads to him being fucking pissed and wreaking havoc in ST3. Clearly Cumberbun is not Khan in that case ... so who could do it? Weller?
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looks like it hope it aint true
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We don't even know which side of the glass is dangerous, or if there even is a dangerous side. It could be that someone is imprisoned. Lots of things. That is clearly a head fake from JJ.
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Not gunna happen.
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...clearly. Look at the scene of Uhura and Bones (?) embracing. Clearly someone they care about is dead or critically injured to say the least. Why would Spock put his hand up on a glass in that emotional way, if someone (him) wasn't about to die? Quinto has already come out and said that he doesn't want to play Spock anymore.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST
I have to 2nd the Dumar comment. Wonderful arc, deserved a better end.
by lox4444
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...that it might wind up being a big lizard! While these movies don't really seem very Trek to me, not being someone who's offended at that also means I'll take them or leave them at their merit. 2009's ST was underwhelming to me - no real repeat viewability, etc, etc...more action stupid than intelligent thriller but still, an entertaining movie. this one looks better but does not look to be changing the direction of 'action stupid' - not a bad thing but not trek either. Think of all the best tv epi's from the various incarnations - how many of those best episodes were balls-out action?
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It refers to a "chess game" between Kirk and the villain - a reference to the episode featuring Garth of Izar. He has a grudge to settle - because of the injuries/insanity suffered on a mission and interment in an asylum...he attempted to perfect a chemical explosive of great power and contemplated genocide. I contend Abrams won't mess with Khan, and Mitchell has already been eliminated. He's Garth. Bring on the shape-shifting.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST
I’m just waiting for the “Chris Pine’s hair is receding” post.
by Gary Makin
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Just have him buff up a little bit, and drop the Lost eyeliner, he'd be perfect. As far as Mitchell's eyes not glowing, it's not an exact replica of TOS trek, could be whatever causes him to go superhuman doesn't give him Lite Brite eyes this time around. Still my hunch.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST
Khan still needs a space seed intro - Kirk hasn't been around long enough
by FrodoFraggins
They'd need to set up Khan movies ahead of the time he escapes exile on Set Alpha whatever.
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Look at the