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Harry's DVD PICKS & PEEKS - DEC 4th 2012 edition: Cult Santa Fun, Sinatra & Dietrich, DARK KNIGHT RISES & so much more!

Published at: Dec. 4, 2012, 6:44 a.m. CST by AICNStaff

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Tuesday, December 4th, 2012





SANTA CLAUS CONQUERS THE MARTIANS Blu Ray

Leave it to Kino to lovingly handle one of the greatest cult films of all time. Prepare Hot Cocoa or Spiced Cider… Get cozy with the ones you share the holidays with and enjoy the one true Holiday we can all celebrate with… SANTA CLAUS CONQUERS THE MARTIANS…. Starring the adorable childform of Pia Zadora… but really, this movie belongs to Santa and the Martians… Don’t kick DIE HARD out of the player completely… just at Christmas, I find the spirit of the season makes think of those that are without. Like the poor Martians that are completely without a Santa of their own. I’m genuinely shocked that a big studio hasn’t set about remaking this classic. But perhaps it is exactly how classic this yuleturd is that keeps them away. I mean, they did foolishly attempt to remake MIRACLE ON 34TH STREET… a film that stars the very real Santa. Proved in a greater piece of cinematic courtroom shenanigans than even Inherit the Wind. BUT EVEN THAT FILM WAS REMADE. But not SANTA CLAUS CONQUERS THE MARTIANS. I mean, it’s kind of obviously the greatest Tim Burton film ever made. Just imagine Tim mounting his holiday themed sequel to MARS ATTACKS!!! Ack Ack AAAAACK Ack Ack AAAAAAACK. Ack Ack AAAACK Ack AAAAACK!!! Yes… to dream the highest dreams, I dare. Love the classic Fleischer Color Classics that are his Holiday greats, so much better than the feature.




SUDDENLY Blu Ray

Frank Sinatra was a helluva Actor! SUDDENLY he plays a small man, a thug… a killer… at best an assassin. His target is the President of the United States on a train stop through town. He’s holed up in the Sheriff’s house with his loved ones. Sterling Hayden is the sheriff… Galahad from PRINCE VALIENT, but more likely for you, the Irish Cop that Michael Corleone blows the fuck away in GODFATHER… or a man obsessed with his Precious Bodily Fluids in DR STRANGELOVE… Well he’s great here. But it is Sinatra’s movie. He dares to use the gun and its power to topple the President. Made before JFK’s assassination…. And when Kennedy fell, this film was hidden from the eyes of men for quite sometime. It’s been in bargain bins forever… but this Blu Ray is THE BLU RAY to score. The print is outstanding. As if ages of bad dupes have been erased and finally the film is pristine. Remarkable work here on this one of my favorite Sinatra turns.




THE BLUE ANGEL (Kino) Blu Ray

Josef Von Sternberg and Marlene Dietrich. Such a pair. They burned images into Nitrate that blister my mind. The film that made Marlene Dietrich MARLENE DIETRICH. Just watching the film… quietly, respectfully… you can smell the countless buckets of popcorn served as she sings. It’s a movie and a performance that can not be taken lightly. This is the greater glory of Dietrich! Like Brando in STREETCAR. Or Dean WITHOUT A CAUSE. Dietrich will always be THE BLUE ANGEL. In a thousand years I believe the image of her in those stockings will still be known… somewhere. IT IS AN IMAGE THAT IS MADE TO LAST.




THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Blu Ray

I really don’t love this movie. I love the craft of the film. The work that went into it. The engineering of that mid-air hijacking? Insane, mad props on that. Batman quitting because a bad guy killed his girlfriend…. PISSES ME THE FUCK OFF. I hate it. It runs counter to everything I believe regarding the character. This is the RETURN OF THE JEDI of the series – and I know for some of you that’s a great fucking thing. I’m happy for you. When I saw BATMAN BEGINS, the end of the film made me hope that this was the jumping off point to a grander style of BATMAN than I’d seen before. THE DARK KNIGHT hits and it was & continues to be… AN AWESOME WORK OF WOW! I love it. I’ve seen it a good dozen times at the least on Blu Ray and when I was in the Hospital after the Spinal Surgery, I saw it about 12 times on AMC I think it was. But THE DARK KNIGHT RISES takes the moment that should have been the true birth of BATMAN’s career & says… that shit crushed this man, set up a totalitarian city-state police force and essentially ended crime in Happy Go Lucky GOTHAM. I hate it. HATE IT. Then it was like, FUCK IT, This shit is New York! This was just not the BATMAN film I wanted to see. And if Warners has JGL play BATMAN in JUSTICE LEAGUE out of this Universe – and not as a new Bruce Wayne… I’ll really be annoyed something fierce. Anyway – what I really enjoyed on the BLU RAY wasn’t the film, but the making of. Watching how Nolan shoots and works is just wonderful. I love his passion for filmmaking, even if this one didn’t do it for me. Had the BANE fights been soul crushingly intense and brutal… maybe. But I thought the action choreography was outright laughable. For me, I wanted the third film to soar – instead I found it sadly predictable. Hell, Batman is hardly a factor in the film.




COMIC BOOK CONFIDENTIAL: 20th Anniversary Edition Blu Ray

I saw this at the Dolby Theater in Austin in 1988 – and I’ve sworn by every documentary that Ron Mann has made since. Folks, this was before Tim Burton’s BATMAN. The year before. Hollywood had its head so far up its ass in terms of knowing what the hell to do with Superhero movies that it wasn’t funny. In fact, Hollywood was so ineffectual in making these films after the release of SUPERMAN 2 – that reading comics wasn’t considered cool… because… well, it just wasn’t. COMIC BOOK CONFIDENTIAL was one of the first signs of greater intelligence out there. Someone understood… COMICS MATTER! Watching this doc today… 24 years after its release… Well, it is sad. Jack Kirby is gone, Harvey Pekar is gone. Will Eisner is gone. William Gaines & Harvey Kurtzman too. But here, they live and their words and work is stronger now than ever. I have a one sheet for this that I’ve been collecting Autographs on for a long time. My personal favorite theatrical Comic Book documentary. Great work!




FINDING NEMO Blu Ray

This looks so stunning on Blu Ray. I think in many ways this is Pixar’s most beautiful film. Or maybe it is that I love going to Aquariums and staring into those giant tanks and imagine an intelligence to the swarm of life that clusters in the water so uniformly. FINDING NEMO has real emotional weight to its story, which truly feels hopeless. And I love that it is literally a whale of a fish tale. Funny story, the screeners for this came on the day that I had my wisdom teeth removed. When Yoko asked me to put it on, I’d completely forgotten the subplot at the Dentist… WARNING – If you are in active Dental Pain – this movie may be slightly traumatic. This Blu is completely full. I’m planning on getting a full 3D setup shortly and this is probably going to be my initial test disc… I really can’t imagine how beautiful it’ll be.




BRAZIL Criterion Blu Ray

100% YES!!! Criterion’s outstanding DVD, but optically wowified by the abilities of Blu Ray. It has that same great commentary from 1996, bought that DVD the year I started AICN – and I am only too happy to double dip. The film is the true jewel… but upon the second disc you get the extras which are truly eyepopping at 1080p. As for the movie itself, this is the film my father saw the day he discovered my mother was leaving him and taking us kids with her. The movie gave Dad the strength to continue…. If Sam Lowry could soar, could he not as well. The Insanity of the world in BRAZIL is one of my favorites. It is one of the most brilliant films I’ve seen in my life and I never tire of sharing the film with someone. And the soundtrack is one that I work to all the time. Here’s what Criterion has for ya:

Restored high-definition digital transfer of Terry Gilliam’s 142-minute director’s cut, supervised by Gilliam, with DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0 surround soundtrack

Audio commentary by Terry Gilliam

What Is “Brazil”?, a thirty-minute on-set documentary by Rob Hedden

The Battle of “Brazil”: A Video History, a sixty-minute documentary by author and film writer Jack Mathews about the controversy surrounding the film’s release

The “Love Conquers All” version of Brazil, a ninety-four-minute cut of the film produced by the studio in an attempt to make it more commercial, with commentary by Brazil expert David Morgan

The Production Notebook, a collection of supplements featuring a trove of Brazil-iana from Gilliam’s personal collection: a short documentary on the screenplay, featuring interviews with screenwriters Gilliam, Charles McKeown, and Tom Stoppard; Gilliam’s storyboards for unfilmed dream sequences, animated and narrated by Morgan; visual essays on the film’s production design and special effects; a visual essay on Brazil’s costumes, narrated by costume designer James Acheson; and interviews with Gilliam and composer Michael Kamen on the score

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PLUS: A booklet featuring an essay by film critic David Sterritt




STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION Season Two Blu Ray

I’m stunned by the restoration and the work that has gone into these STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION blu rays. Like on Season One, they’ve returned to the original elements and digitally scanned them. The result gives a texture and a richness to the show that it frankly never ever had in Standard Definition. In addition – the great classic episode THE MEASURE OF A MAN, the film that puts Data’s sentient rights to the test of a courtroom, where Riker must argue brutally the case that Data is property, something to be possessed and Picard argues for Data’s rights to have self-governance over his “life”. Well, originally, the first cut of the episode was well over 10 minutes longer than a standard episode. It has been fully finished and the result is spectacular. One of the best STAR TREK: Next Gen episodes ever. Over 2 hours of docs and all new special features, plus Deleted scenes and the 25th Anniversary Cast Reunion. If you Trek, you’ll dig the hell out of it!




GODZILLA VS. BIOLLANTE Blu Ray

MAN IN SUIT! MAN IN SUIT! MAN IN SUIT!!! Not only that, but seriously and all chuckles to the side… This is one of the greatest Godzilla movies ever made. I love this film. I love that mankind creates its own monster using cells from Godzilla. When Godzilla gets released… some of my favorite visuals in all GODZILLA history! This is one of the truly DEEP Godzilla flicks – that also has great action and monster fun! A delight on Blu Ray!




PURPLE NOON (Criterion) Blu

René Clément and Alain Delon working off of a Patricia Highsmith’s THE TALENTED MR. RIPLEY? Shhhh, noone tell my wife. She’ll literally squeal with joy. Alain Delon is her favorite actor to fawn over these days. We even watched that terrible ZORRO he made – all the way through. But this. This is the good stuff. Like with LE SAMORAI or a film like JOY HOUSE. Delon is amazing. Anthony Minghella’s film is outstanding, but so is this. If you’re a fan of Minghella’s… do not fail to give this a look. Cineaste required viewing! There are not a vast amount of Extras on this release. It does have Archive interviews with Delon and Patricia Highsmith, along with a new interview with a René Clément scholar. But this one you buy for the movie!




UP Blu Ray 3D

The film that continually has my wife’s number. She weeps like a baby everytime. And I have to admit, me too. But UP is one of the really great PIXAR films in my book. This is the first time the film has been released on BluRay 3D… and even for that extra Dimension, the disc is actually 2 dollars cheaper than the 4 Disc Blu. Not bad, if you held off and have 3D, that’s the reason to upgrade!




SILENT NIGHT: DEADLY NIGHT 1 & 2

Horror fans rejoice! Being a fan of this series can be an expensive thing, till now. $10 grabs you both of these Stalking Stuffers. You get them unmolested. You get them and you’ll laugh and get freaked out as you learn why a boy would grow up to be a Santa dressed murderer. It’s pretty fucking classic. I have to say. Be a Sicko this Holiday season and gather your fellow sickos and have a blast with this rather awesome work of blasphemy. Santa wouldn’t hurt anybody!




SILENT NIGHT Blu Ray

Ok – I was fully prepared to hate this. But I’ll be damned I enjoyed it. Malcolm McDowell can phone films in like few can, and here… he gave a shit and the whole film improves as a result. Add to that Jaime King’s charisma and you have a couple of characters to give a shit about as the man in the red suits lights up Christmas Night… it’s fun. I was quite happily surprised. Still prefer the original though. It’s just more evil. And if you’re going to make a killer santa… go all the way. My favorite version of this icon warping was in the original EC Tales from the Crypt comics. But this is alright!




V/H/S Blu Ray

This is Ugly Horror. The horror these characters finds on vhs video tapes is the sort of fucked up shit that is shot to shock and disturb and to leave a mark in your head. This stuff is dark. But if you like your horror to come disturbing and in little vignettes, then you might like this quite a bit. However, if you go to horror for happy endings, look elsewhere. This is inky black. I dug it, but it isn’t for all.




OKLAHOMA! Blu Ray

After watching LES MISERABLES with Hugh Jackman as Jean ValJean… which is one of those performances that completely rewrites everything you knew about this actor. It’s strange from the opening shots of this film, I could tell that Jackman was giving more of himself into this performance than in anything since THE FOUNTAIN. Brilliant musical acting. Just stunning iconic work. I must see his OKLAHOMA! It isn’t the same, it isn’t a fully filmed production, just a capturing of the great play. But yeah, I have to order this one!




Francis Ford Coppola: 5-Film Collection (APOCALYPSE NOW / APOCALYPSE NOW REDUX / ONE FROM THE HEART / TETRO / THE CONVERSATION ) Blu Ray

Nothing new, just a new package. Everything is something you may have bought – and if you have these blu rays separately – Well done. I applaud your taste in cinema. But if you haven’t… you can pick all this up for under $30. That’s a very good deal.  HARRY HERE - Ok - ONE FROM THE HEART has never been released anywhere on Blu yet, it is a wonderful film, but I'm not sure if it is the big carrot for so many of you, that it is for some.   


Next Tuesday… My 41st Birthday – we’ll be talking about TED – the unrated version is so fucking great! We’ll look at THE BOURNE LEGACY, ICE AGE CONTINENTAL DRIFT, FOLLOWING Criterion Blu, KAMASUTRA 3D, GIRLS Season one, The QATSI Trilogy Criterion Blu, DICK TRACY Blu, THE STORY OF FILM: AN ODYSSEY, BABES IN TOYLAND Blu, LES MISERABLES Blu, MIAMI CONNECTION, THE WILD GEESE, DEATH VALLEY, THE ISLAND, DJANGO KILLS SILENTLY/DJANGO’S CUT PRICE CORPSES, JOY LUCK CLUB Blu, A MAN CALLED DJANGO! / DJANGO AND SARTANA’S SHOWDOWN IN THE WEST, THE PORTRAIT OF A LADY, ASHANTI, OSOMBIE, BARON BLOOD, KILL EM ALL, AGE OF THE HOBBITS, DOOMSDAY BOOK, CHILLER Tv series and more!

Readers Talkback

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  • Dec. 4, 2012, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Win

    by Jeff

    Win

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 6:54 a.m. CST

    v/h/s was terribe

    by professorjack

    it was on that HD channel so I dvr-ed it. Its not scary, its not interesting..its just a compilation of found-footage horror movies where the one is more boring than the next. I think I ended up just fast forwarding through the last one. Its unwatchable, and not in the "because its so horrific!). Its unwatchable because its boring. Also, the "found footage" style of acting is so bad. Its just the easiest thing any actor could do and the effectiveness of it in film has worn off atleast 10 years ago. So its a terribly boring movie with really bad acting. Enjoy

  • Thats why he build a new Batcave and new stuff. Because he was waiting all these years for a reason to be Batman again. He doesn't go out for purse snatchers, like in the comics. There was no threat big enough, to warrant his action. Nothing that the police couldn't handle on their own. If you don't like that story beat, all right... But at least think it through before clearly showimg that you didn't get this very easy to get plotline.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Will be getting TNG season 2

    by Drsambeckett1984

    I did not know about the extended stuff from The Measure Of A man, that's great

  • Sorry, this takes it too far. You just like to hate on Nolan, even if you act like your respect his passion, yadda, yadda. Calling the fights laughable only shows that you really lost your touch. I understand if people don't like the film for certain choices it made, BUT your criticism of the moive is laughable. No wonder this site goes down the crapper. If Nolan had only send you more gift baskets and exclusives... that Bastard.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Also, Harry is right (Mostly) about TDKR

    by Drsambeckett1984

    The last 30 minutes was really great stuff, real fun comic book action. But the stiffness of Nolan's direction was still woefully apparent and he can't shoot fight or action very well. And half of the story beats just didn't work as Harry stated.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Best not ebst

    by MariusXe

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Well Yea, Nolan couldn't make the film he really set out for

    by mattforce7

    And then the editing nearing the end felt as if there was no real pause for thought, no urgency, you take in a breath and there's two steps that've passed you by. I didn't like it nearly as much as the movies coming before it, but I was able to enjoy some of it

  • Oh, you meant Batman, right? Out of the cowl hes not Batman anymore, right? Boooooooring without the costume. He should wear it almost the complete runtime, like in the animated show, right? yeah, you would like that, huh? Argh, what do I care about your opinion. For me it was the best out of the three and a lot of people see it the same way.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:12 a.m. CST

    I'm hearing the TNG Season 2 is awful

    by Drsambeckett1984

    That the new work was outsourced for seasons 2,4,6 and that it look terrible in comparrison. That's a real shame.

  • I was and still amazed there has been a Santa serial killer film...series! That takes one giant, dysfunctional set of balls. And...Nolan can't direct action. All hand to hand combat captured in the Dark Knight trilogy has been profoundly underwhelming.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:16 a.m. CST

    TDKR does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    I think perhaps Nolan was guilty of throwing too much into the mix in TDKR and so the plot was a bit bogged down and subsequently the film felt a little unfocused. However I thought the standout was Bane. A really great physical performance from Tom Hardy, and a far more credible villain than all the CG creations weve seen in GREEN LANTERN, AVENGERS, THOR, AMAZING SPIDERMAN, etc etc. I know that Harry loved SPIDERMAN 3 and perhaps he wanted the fight between Batman and Bane to be more like the CG fight between Spierman and Venom at the climax of that movie? Maybe kids that have been brought up on so many CG assisted fights will find the Batman vs Bane fight to be boring but not me - I thought it was excellent and one of the highlights of the film.

  • It's full of holes and extraneous characters. I still enjoyed it, and I thought Bane was compulsively watchable, right up to the point when we discover (SPOILER!) that he was just a thug and not the mastermind at all. All of his bravado seems to get the life sucked out of it at that moment. It's not a bad movie. I'll still buy it and watch it numerous times, but just like "Return of the Jedi," it doesn't stick the landing set up by the previous two films. BTW, "Godzilla VS Biolante" is FINALLY HERE! All is right with the world! And I actually want to see "Silent Night"! It looks fun to me.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:19 a.m. CST

    A week early, Ted was just ok

    by Cobb05

    It felt like Seth knew how to start and end the movie, but the majority of the movie just dragged. It needed a stronger plot. And the score did not fit the movie at all. It was an ok movie. I really expected more.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Harry on TDKR

    by Jared

    "Watching how Nolan shoots and works is just wonderful." // "The action choreography was outright laughable." ???

  • He only beats the living daylights out of Batman. The character is a wrecking machine, an agent of blunt force trauma. And I don't think it's incomprehensible that Bruce Wayne might retreat into the shadows after the chaos and death and injury of the events THE DARK KNIGHT. But to each his own. Personally, I thought TDKR was a great Batman film - adventurous and thematic. More like ROCKY III than RETURN OF THE JEDI.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:34 a.m. CST

    and yes bitches, i liked Avatar and Prometheus..so fuck you

    by quantize

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Agree about TDKR. It's Jedi all right.

    by Bob

    The two fights between Batman and Bane were terribly shot. The camera just sits there, and the fight choreography is laughable. Oh, and mariusxe, Bale himself describes his character's arc as "Finally confronting the pain of loss that he has deferred for years by fighting criminals balanced against the need to internalise that pain lest he give into his emotions and become the killer the city already believes him to be." So, yeah he quit because of Rachel.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Did they fix the mixed up scenes in TDKR?

    by Silv

    Just curious.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:43 a.m. CST

    The first fight in TDKR was pretty much okay. The second fight? Not so much.

    by Sound Designer Dan

    I thought the first fight in TDKR was pretty decent even if the choreography was just block, haymaker, haymaker, haymaker, block, block, block. The 2nd fight in Gotham? Wow, that was terrible. It was basically the first fight done all over again. Batman never did anything particularly different aside from using his forearm blades (ONCE!) to break apart Bane's mask. Batman never raised the level of his fighting skill.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:45 a.m. CST

    ...no Harry, next week you'll be 14....

    by scrote

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:51 a.m. CST

    The Dark Knight

    by DrGogol

    Made me change my mind about Begins. It made me like Begins.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:52 a.m. CST

    3D does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    quantize, I agree. The Dojo has a 55 inch HD 3D set. I wasnt interested in the 3D. To me I would rather have bought a cheaper big screen that was 2D but these days they only make 3D sets. However... Having seen PROMETHEUS, and recently also HUGO at home in 3D.. WOW! I am converted. It does add to the movie watching experience greatly for certain films. PROMETHEUS and HUGO in 3D are BETTER than the 2D versions. No ifs and no buts.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:53 a.m. CST

    So you DIDN'T like TDKR?

    by Deceased Fan

    That's ok. At least you are speaking English this time. Time heals all wounds.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Fuck you quantize! I liked Prometheus and Avatar too, bitch!

    by Deceased Fan

    Why am I yelling! :)

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST

    What happened to BEASTS OF THE SOUTHERN WILD blu?

    by Logan_1973

    That film deserves some attention. Also, what about the SPACE 1999 set and wasn't there a CATCH ME IF YOU CAN blu?

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Silent Night, Deadly Night 2. FUCK YEAH!!

    by Deceased Fan

    Elizabeth Kaitan + ¾ of Part 1 = Yay!! And Harry you're going to get a nickel. Everybody wins!!

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST

    ...and repeating fourth grade...

    by scrote

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Also intrigued by the remake.

    by Deceased Fan

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:07 a.m. CST

    cobra-- kai.

    by Deceased Fan

    Can I exercise my lifetime pass at the dojo to come watch Prometheus?

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:12 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Hello deceased... I did grant that pass to *adeceasedfan* you must be the reincarnation?

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:20 a.m. CST

    by Deceased Fan

    I do believe there is life after death. I'm hoping that I kept that pass in my back pocket.

  • bane's gang at the football stadium. It was like being there in IMAX. When the bat symbol flames up it was like- finally batman is here to save us!

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:26 a.m. CST

    I've watched TDKR a bunch of times

    by James

    and it's really just not as fun to watch as the first two. I didn't like the bomb prop and Bane's reading of Gordon's letter is very awkward. I keep thinking that maybe Ledger screwed the pooch for all of us by not paying proper attention to his pharmaceutical intake. This one needed his Joker.

  • You know what pisses me the fuck off? People who don't even watch the movie. Batman didn't quit because of his girlfriend, you fucking moron.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:27 a.m. CST

    THE DARK KNIGHT RISES isn't terrible, just terribly disappointing.

    by Stifler's Mom

    Full of plot holes, terrible pacing, extraneous characters, wooden exposition, and a hero that barely registered. The grand mistake of the entire Nolan trilogy is that Batman isn't even Batman for much of the series. Instead of creating a world where the hero is living unlimited adventures in the viewer's mind, a la James Bond or Indiana Jones, Nolan gives Batman a pretty small existence. Hell, he's pretty much only Batman for the running time of The Dark Knight. TDKR tried so hard to be Weighty! and Important! and Thought-Provoking! that it completely fails as an entertaining ride, and gets blown out of the water by a movie like AVENGERS, which never took itself too seriously, and as a result, seems far wittier.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Can even show the 60s tv show batman and it's all good.

    by UltraTron

  • I remember that shit clearly. I believe it's during the Harvey Dent fundraiser scene.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:30 a.m. CST

    I wasn't keen on TDKR

    by Octotron

    It was just a bit dull. Using Mr Kipling's voice for Bane really wasn't a good idea. (If you don't enjoy his exceedingly good cakes, he'll take several months to excavate under your house / do something with concrete / use gas... blah / yawn.)

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Completely agree on Dark Knight Rises

    by McGuphin

    It's not a Batman film. Hell, it answers any question on what Nolan thinks of Batman. He's hardly in it. There are some impressive sequences but no "WOW" moments and anything "clever" it tries to do is just provokes a shrug or a huh at best. This isn't Batman. God knows what this is.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:34 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    deceased, ha! Did you take a banhammer to the head? What happened my friend?

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Harry missed the whole point

    by Cruizer Dave

    At the end of The Dark Knight, Batman took the blame for Dent's doings, which led him to leave behind the cape and cowl. He didn't quit just because his girlfriend died. If you didn't get that, you probably weren't paying attention.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Keep your perspective

    by UltraTron

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Harry, I really think you missed the mark on TDKR

    by Arvin Clay

    Generally Harry I understand the love you have for films. Even the really lousy ones that you like. I don't quite understand why you have so much of an intense dislike of the film. It was a very fitting wrap up to this interpretation of the Bruce Wayne story. I look at the films in this way- Batman Begins- an amazing record that came totally out of left field. Something that made everybody else take notice and change how they were doing things. The Dark Knight- A fantastic dark gritty punk rock album that is matched in beauty and intensity. It gets into your subconscious and stays there. A stand alone masterpiece! The Dark Knight Rises- An amazing symphony of tragedy, loss, brutality, and ultimately closure. There has never been a take on super heroes like this before, and I think these 3 films might just be the greatest trilogy of our time.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Hobbit is getting mixed reviews

    by Samuel Fulmer

    That seems to be more news then some dude upset that Killer Croc wasn't in The Dark Knight Rises.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Harry did you even watch the film?

    by niven

    Batman didn't quit over Rachel's death...he quit simply because he won. The Dark Knight for all intents and purposes is how Bruce Wayne uses a lie and a cover up to solve the problem presented in Batman Begins. The start of TDKR IS a utopia, it is a peaceful time...but if you know your batman lore, you know it's less about Bruce saving gotham, and more about Bruce saving himself from his inner monster. That's why he's a mess. The whole film is about using Bane's attack as a way for Bruce to regain that humanity he lost when his parents died, to regain the fear he lost in training. To stop being that fearless, emotionally dead warrior beast (that Bane ultimately became) and just learn how to be that normal guy who wants to live a normal life and get over the anger caused by tragedy. I think it's damn fine that someone chose to show a superhero in his re-entry stages, how does an aging hero get back into life, how does he go from warrior to man who will start a family. Seriously i know some people don't like this film, but most of them (not all) hate it for the same misinterpreted reasons like Harry does. If i hate a film it's because I understood it and i didn't like it. I don't just half ass it. Oh yeah you were too busy geeking over MIB3.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST

    The fight scenes in "The Dark Knight Rises"--

    by The Reluctant Austinite

    There is understandingly a lot of controversy regarding the two major fight scenes between Bane and Batman in TDKR. Is it possible to enjoy them and still be baffled by them? For example, I much prefer the fight scenes here compared to the quick-cut type of fight scenes where you can't tell what's going on. Furthermore, I enjoyed the old school fistacuffs in contrast to the fast-action kung fu seen in just about everything else these days. However, Batman was TRAINED in these very martial arts techniques and yet he completely fails to make use of them. As a member of the League of Shadows, Bane must be similarly trained. The first fight scene makes more sense, as Batman in out of shape and rusty, but he uses the exact same fighting style in the second fight scene. It's all old school, John Wayne style haymakers and brute force, which I enjoy and think is kind of "stone age cool," but doesn't really make sense in the continuity of the trilogy. Make sense?

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:43 a.m. CST

    In what way is Finding Nemo "LITERALLY a whale of a fish tale"?

    by SavourTheSea

    Literally?

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:43 a.m. CST

    V|H|S and DKR

    by Judge Briggs

    Was a good movie ... it was original ... something that is lacking these days in the horror genre. The stories were brutal and fun ... but yes, def. dark and gritty. JGL best not be Batman in the upcoming Justice League. Bruce Wayne is Batman ... PERIOD. Perhaps if JGL were to die as Batman and Wayne feels obligated to return, then yeah, that'd be cool. But please WB, NO FUCKING MAKING JGL BATMAN!

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST

    TDKR isn't bad

    by AKA_Gern_Blanston

    But it's easily my least favorite Nolan film. It's the first one where the ending didnt have me re-thinking the entire movie, and that's usually what I love about Nolan. He always makes you think, then pulls the rug out from under you and forces you to re-evaluate it all. And he just didnt do that here. I kind of get the feeling he just wasn't into it after losing Ledger. I still dig it, it just ranks dead last on the Chris Nolan list.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:51 a.m. CST

    TDKR was just a lousy boring movie

    by Spandau Belly

    It somehow manages to be this three hour morose bummer, yet also gives all the characters the most pandering happy endings possible. It's the worst of both worlds. The few moments of huge spectacle are nice, like that airplane hijacking, that was hilarious, I liked that! That was like straight out of a Brosnan Bond movie! But the stuff I liked it in that movie account for about 5 minutes of screentime. Just a poorly put-together plot with gaping holes that focuses on really boring things. You couldn't pay me to watch it again.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    that SUDDENLY movie looks interesting

    by Spandau Belly

    I'll give it a shot! Thanks Harry!

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    DKR ending that should have been but WB is run by tards ...

    by Judge Briggs

    Batman is on the way out to sea with his nuke ... Superman flies and rips open the top of the plane and says to Batman, "Bruce, I can take it from here. I am a friend.' Superman then grabs the nuke and heads into space ... THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FUCKING GOLD.

  • The ONLY reason for it was to continue the bluff about Talia's real identity so that her reveal in the last act could be the movie's big "gotcha!" moment. Nolan sacrificed logic in service of a plot twist that was the movie's biggest open secret since the full cast was announced. I like Nolan and will be interested in whatever he does next, but the plotting in his films doesn't always hold up to scrutiny.

  • The idea that his girlfriend being killed would make him go pout is just not in keeping with the character.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST

    by Deceased Fan

    Fortunately no, nothing like that. It was suicide. Long story...umm, longer. I always hated adeceasedfan. It was a quick second choice when plain ol' deceased didn't work. A few weeks ago I noticed the DECEASED T-shirt (mah fravrit bernd) I was wearing has ellipsis at the end and seeing talkbacker/ radio host extraordinare welivestill...ornot successfully used ellipsis... BOO-YAH! Deceased... has upped the tombstones and now walks the earth. Sorry for the confusion.

  • He quit because his costumed gig as Batman had escalated the class of criminal. Now the bad guys are wear costumes, imitating him to a degree, but definitely in order to compete with him. A subtext of TDK is that Batman created The Joker - that Batman's existence gave his kind oxygen. His girlfriend's death brought this escalation to his doorstep and so he quit, not because she died, but because his existence may cause the death of more, not less innocents and the villains continue to compete. Hence Gotham had been peaceful since he quit and it took ghosts from his own past (League of Shadows) to dirty the streets once more - only then does he don the cape, once it's already escalated. TDKR has problems - mainly making Cain's character 100% emotional expositor for Bruce Wayne; Bain built up as a master strategist, only to find he's a puppet, pissing on the audiences commitment to his omnipotence; nut most of all the cop-out ending: Nolan says he wanted to leave Batman's fate to the imagination - if that were true he coulda done without the final restaurant scene: the bluff, double bluff, whatever misfired, taking the power out of the finale. All that crowbarred-in stuff about the auto-pilot tells me it's likely a late re-shoot of those moments (which seemed out of place) and the restaurant finale at the bequest of panicking studio execs terrified that an otherwise subtle, opened end (maybe he really died!) would freak out the audience too much, and make it harder to reboot the character for The Justice League (no, i don't think Joseph Gorden-Levitt will be a Batman to whom this cape has been passed, that'd be too big a chance for the execs to take. It'll be Bruce Wayne)

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Re: ProffesorJack

    by Therealumlaut

    Funny, I've only heard love for v/h/s from online review sites. Not much love from the genre fans. (though to be honest they like most everything made in the horror genre anyways.) Curious.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST

    @therealumlaut

    by Judge Briggs

    I am a horror genre fan ... and I loved V|H|S ... it was original and just plain fun. Def a must see for anyone who enjoys short horror stories. I don't see why ppl hate on this flick!?

  • The Harvey Dent Law may have been fascistic, but it actually worked in getting all the criminals off the streets. Why is that a bad thing? Nolan offers no examples of innocent people who may have been unfairly victims of the Harvey Dent Law. Nolan then throws in the Occupy Wall Street movement in as a cheap gimmick when Bane breaks into the stock market exchange. Why? Is Bane part of OWS? No. Does Bane hold up the stock exchange as a statement against what is wrong with the capitalist system? No, he does it to kill the value of Bruce Wayne's stocks. Yet, Nolan has Selina Kyle make all of these class warfare throw away lines that suggest that he may want to address the income disparity in our country. But, alas it is not to be as these are just hollow lines in Selina and Bruce's tit for tat meet cute dialogue that act as foreplay for the pair's eventual coupling. So, exactly what is Nolan's message? Bane brings chaos to the city and destroys law and order ending the status quo. But, ultimately it takes the Atlas Shrugged Galt-esque millionaire vigilante hero, Bruce Wayne, to save the city and restore the status quo. I propose that TDKR is disingenuous in its pretension that that it has a lot on its mind. Truth is it's a big bloated empty bag of gas that whose ultimate message is the reinforcement of the status quo. It doesn't even believe in vigilantism, which is the whole freaking point of Batman.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Its one thing to dislike RISES for its shortcomings as a film...

    by Logan_1973

    But to dislike it because it isn't the Batman YOU wanted; explain to me how that's objective. Professional reviewing site, eh?

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST

    TDKR - a rebuttal to the naysayers

    by JTStyler

    Let me list to those who ask what was great about TDKR. Firstly the performances especially Anne Hathaway and Michael Caine. Secondly bringing the story back to Batman Begins with all the parallels in story. Thirdly Wally Pfister's cinematography is fantastic - Gotham looks beautiful in the snow. Fourthly the beauty of TDKR is that the film is more about Bruce Wayne than Batman which makes the story personal in a larger-than-life plot. Fifthly, the balls to end a superhero saga definitively. This is trilogy is a story with a clear beginning, middle and end rather a film with two sequels. Sixthly what a moving finale! Need I go on. There are flaws and plotholes but not enough to take away from a brilliant film. I don't think it's a best picture contender but the reviews consensus all around is right - this is a great film. Nolan's genius was that instead of making The Dark Knight part 2, he made a film about Batman becoming more than a man, becoming mythic but never lost sight of the fact that these films are about Bruce not Batman ultimately. These films are about Bruce growing beyond his need for Batman and many people find it hard to accept this vision.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    logan_1973

    by scrote

    ...hit the nail on the head, dude. Harry is a professional imbecile, but- to his credit- he does put the hours in...

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    logan_1973-That's every Harry review

    by Samuel Fulmer

    He loves genre trappings and cliche, and when it comes to his comic book movies, they must reflect what he thinks the comics reflect, not what anyone else may think. Look at the majority of films he gives positive reviews to and this holds true for most, unless it's just a film put out by a director who he loves, then it doesn't matter how bad it is, he'll love it.

  • Then again, it could be because Gordon was waxing poetic about how 'we'll chase him, because he can take it.' To me, I felt that that was the Anakin-to-Vader moment (minus the corniness) where Bruce feels there is no turning back. He has lost Rachel, the last semblance of hope for a normal life. In my mind, he was now 'trapped' in being Batman. There was noone else who could fight the good fight like he could. I could just imagine the scene after Batman streaked off into the night at the end of TDK. He parks the Batpod in the cave, goes upstairs, throws off his costume, sits down, turns on the TV, and like Daniel Day-Lewis, calls out: "...I'm Done!!"

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST

    STAR TREK TNG season 2 blus are breathtaking

    by Robert Evans

    i cant wait to see more of Khal Drogo.

  • Does Bruce ever truly deal with the fact that he obsessively compulsively becomes a vigilante to deal with his emotional issues resulting from the death of his parents? No. Nolan had an opportunity for his back being broken being a perfect metaphor for a broken man who is lost because he's never really dealt with his feelings about losing his parents at a young age, instead going on some wild crusade that could never truly satisfy him no matter how many villains he put behind bars. Nolan also drops Batman's whole obsessive compulsive issue with not killing, which clearly comes from his issues with his parents' deaths. Truly a missed opportunity. I don't really see how anyone can say that TDKR was a satisfying resolution to what the previous films set up. Sorry.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST

    @bat725

    by UMAGA

    I remember, but it was never going to happen with Joker around and then it was too late.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST

    GARBAGE DAY!!!

    by RosemarysBabyDaddy

    I will be purchasing the "Silent Night/Deadly Night" 2-fer. I'm hoping for a "Lesson in Eyebrow Acting" extra or something.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    jtstyler: "the balls to end a superhero saga definitively..."

    by DC Films

    If it was definitive, then did Batman live or die at the end???

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    What's so odd...

    by nemov

    isn't Harry's review of the film it's his bizarro comments about the movie that make no sense. Bruce Wayne doesn't quit because of his girlfriend. That's not even up for debate. To assume he did is to ignore TDK entirely. Harry clearly didn't like the movie for whatever reason. His visceral distaste for the film makes him unable to think about the movie logically.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    renetabard : you are correct and i fleshed out 'why' above

    by DC Films

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    @judge briggs, that ending would have been shit!

    by Disgruntled_Chinaman

    Your proposed ending would have been gayer than Dumbledore funneling Zima and fisting two dudes.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST

    @disgruntled_chinaman

    by Judge Briggs

    Meh, I think it would have been epic... IMHO. Gotta segway the two properties.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Harry and TDKR...

    by Andrew

    Harry, congrats for getting this column out on time. You've been doing better about that, keep it up. I agree that TDKR is ROTJ. It's not as good as TDK, but still pretty damn awesome. That said, I think you missed the point about why Batman quits. It's not about Rachel. He disappeared from the scene because that's what Gotham City needed after TDK. They needed to think he was a villain, and not a symbol of hope. So he's in hiding. It's for the people of Gotham, not himself. Also, the physical injuries he sustained appear to have taken their toll on him, like a football player at the end of their career. Yes, he's still grieving for Rachel, but there's so much more to why he quit. You're not acknowledging that other stuff at all, so what you have is a straw man argument. It's faulty. I've also noticed that your taste in movies tends to go more towards the cartoony stuff, like The Avengers and Cloud Atlas. They're light on plot and substance, but heavy on visuals. I can see how the gritty, realistic style of TDKR isn't your thing. That's fine, and at least a legitimate argument. Please get your reasoning straight before you start shitting on a film. I think that's where a lot of this fan rage is coming from.

  • He quit because he was no longer needed!!! Right. That's why he vanished instantly. Because the Dent act went into effect, and the police cracked down on ALL crime over-night. Its really just that easy. Point out the other many plot holes in the movie to these people, and they lose it com-pletely. And I liked the movie! But to say these problems don't exist is just asinine.

  • I mean seriously, you say you loved "The Dark Knight," but obviously you didn't watch it or you'd know that at the end Batman quits because he takes the fall for Harvey Dent's crimes to ensure all the good things he and Dent did before Dent went nuts were protected. Doubt Batman is going to go crime fighting when he's wanted for murder. Harry, that's just dumb. And another thing, your idea that Batman should just continue on and never actually succeed HAS BEEN DONE! Nolan did something new, where a Superhero or whatever term you wish to use actually accomplishes his/her goal of saving their city. Fuck man, if you don't like it fine, but don't act like a fucking idiot and come up with these false reasons for why you didn't like it. One last time, BATMAN DID NOT QUIT BECAUSE THE JOKER BLEW UP RACHEL! PERIOD! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!!!

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Storymark

    by Andrew

    It's not about the police cracking down on all crime over night. There's 8 years between the movies. Batman chose to bow out because he wanted the police to be the heroes, while he was still the bad guy who killed Harvey Dent. That's how Gotham City would heal after The Joker- by putting all of that bad shit on him. Saying he quit because of Rachel is asinine. I think some of the haters of this film weren't paying attention. I also agree that this movie wasn't perfect, but people are putting shit on it that's not there. Like they want to tear it down, so they're making stuff up.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST

    @Storymark

    by notcher

    So what you're saying is that Batman had reason to keep fighting crime as a wanted murderer? Kind of defeats the purpose of the ending of TDK don't you think? And I say that with all respect, dig your posts!

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Harry's still wrong on TDKR.

    by Mostholy

    But what do you expect from the guy who wanted more vampires and werewolves in The Matrix? Harry's reviews are almost always based almost entirely on how successfully they awaken his child-glee -- hence his nerdrage over Andy giving away his toys in Toy Story 3. Hence also their general incoherence. I don't love everything Nolan's done -- Insomnia in particular didn't really work -- but TDKR, imho, was a compelling and dramatic way to end this "Bruce Wayne" trilogy, and one of the best films of the year. I also think people who complain about Batman not being in the movie, or who feel the prison stuff is superfluous, have never been "broken" -- If you've ever had the shit kicked out of you by life, the moments where he climbs out of the prison, and later, shows up again in Gotham City, are hugely cathartic.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    How do several Skype convos end up on an old VHS.

    by thefreshestthing

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    ?

    by thefreshestthing

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Got to see "Brazil" before its release, with Gilliam in attendance...

    by MovieManStill

    ...at USC film school, back in the day. Cool experience. And he trashed the studio.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, noon CST

    Agree with Harry on TDKR...

    by SpiceWonBruce

    The ending of The Dark Knight signaled the true "beginning" of the Batman we all know and love. Rises contradicts everything from the movie before. Batman isn't the "savior" of Gotham--he is a necessary evil. A bit player in a world given to madness. But he is needed nonetheless. Rather than sulking into obscurity, the REAL Batman would have overextended his efforts to protect Gotham from...anything. This is who the character is. He isn't a reclusive Howard Hughes with a bum knee. I don't mind that interpretation of the character farther down the line, but it was way too soon. Rises was not a logical conclusion to this "origin" storyline.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    The first 15 minutes of UP is just brutal

    by thelordofhell

    It always makes me weep.........I just can't make it through the rest of the movie because of it

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Did NOBODY here watch TDK....?

    by DC Films

    He didn't quit because 'That's what Gotham needed'... That's an umbrella term for the real reason.... He did not quit because he was 'Not needed'...!!! That'd be a lame plot-hole covering reason.... The reason he quit is gone into in some detail TDK: The escalation of violence in Gotham SINCE Batman appeared. This irony is pointed out clearly by the Joker who's enjoying rubbing it in. No Batman = No Joker = Rachael still alive.... So indirectly his quitting is because of Rachael, she brought the truth Joker's point home to him. But he quit not out of grief, but out of fear for what his caped existence could result in next: Something even worse than the Joker - even worse than Rachael's death. Yes he's hiding from himself, but it's a logical, rational choice and Nolan's Bat-world is after all based in reality rather than fantasy. He sees that he's stopped being the solution and become part of the problem.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 12:17 p.m. CST

    TDNR sucked, you guys all know it.

    by billandted

    Nolan thought Bat was the mask and Bruce was he real one. just wrong. alfred leaves? AND NEVER comes back? wrong. Bane goes out like a bitch (man that dudes tough! hey, why dont we just have not catwoman SK shoot him? yea! dude he keeps going off on guns brand new GF will just rider up and shoot him! awesome idea!) batman fights like crap... ugh this movie....

  • That is, he took the wrap for Harvey Dent's killing spree and the death of Dent himself. Gotham needed something Batman couldn't give them just by crusading at night, he needed to become a murderer as The Joker mentions, in order to keep order in Gotham and all that he, Gordon and Dent's alliance did before this.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    The fight scenes were horrible.

    by brad negrotto

    Batman needed to be punished. Instead we got punches that looked like they belonged in the original Rocky.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    moviemanstill, what do u mean he trashed the studio?

    by Bobo_Vision

    Sounds like there's a story there.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    I'm a convert for 3D at home.

    by knowthyself

    Love it.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Hated Banes off screen death.

    by knowthyself

    Sorta weird to not even show his dead body.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Recap: Harry LOVES the green lantern. Hates TDKR.

    by knowthyself

    Ugh, what a world.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Savour the sea. Re: Literally a whale of a fish tale

    by Bobo_Vision

    When Finding Nemo was made, the studio had a crazy executive who got the idea in his head that the film would be greatly successful if they made the celluloid using whale blubber. He said the idea came to him in a dream, and so he hired a team to figure out how to do it, and there you have it....Finding Nemo is literally a whale of a fish tale. Either that or Harry has the writing ability of a ten year old.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Young Mr. Knowles. If Someone killed your girlfriend...

    by Darkness

    or mrs...wouldn't you be equally hacked off - i mean really. After viewing the 'Rises" on home cinema, i just feel sorry for the chump who commits themself to this franchise, and tries to reboot it.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    knowthyself

    by Robert Evans

    uh...it WASNT offscreen. Cyclops killed by Jean Grey...thats offscreen. Bambi's mom getting shot--that shit is offscreen. Bane dying--not so much. Its pretty clear--filmed even--that Catwoman smokes his ass with the Batcycle rockets.

  • Almost 30 years later and most know Jedi scene for scene. TDKR came out this year and most people have no idea what the fuck went on with that. So you really can't compare the two. A T3 comparison is much more apt.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    FUCK SANTA CLAUS CONQUERS THE MARTIANS

    by Autodidact

    Fuck that stupid movie. It is beyond boring and probably the earliest movie I can think of that stopped trying after coming up with an outrageously marketable title.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST

    TDKR wasn't Harry's BATMAN

    by justmyluck

    Thank God.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Wow! Right out of the gate!

    by Dollar Bird

    Get cozy with the ones you share the holidays with and enjoy the one true Holiday we can all celebrate with...

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Droppo, you are the laziest man on Mars.

    by higgledyhiggles

    Kids christmas special unique badness.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Every time I read Harry ranting about TDKR...

    by Chris Moody

    ...I think of the many, many lesser films that he lauded as great films and works of art. Scott Pilgrim vs. the World? I couldn't sit through that piece of shit once. I watched TDKR twice in the theater...and I look forward to watching it again on Blu-Ray. I guess each person might feel strongly about something that they hold so dear. Like Harry, I certainly don't think that RETURN OF THE JEDI is a crowning achievement of film. It certainly isn't better than THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. However, I would hardly call it a "letdown." The last 40 minutes of that film are worth the ride. Similarly, THE DARK KNIGHT RISES is not as great as THE DARK KNIGHT. However, that doesn't mean that it is a letdown. It is just different. Yes, the BATMAN story doesn't follow the comics and the motivation for quitting is a little flaky (given that the murder of his parents -- and righting wrongs -- provide much of the motivation to become a vigilante in the first place). However, it still "is what it is." I have seen far-flakier motives in other films that Harry lauded. Personally, I liked THE DARK KNIGHT RISES. It is not just a good film. It is a great film. The pacing is great. The heart aches for the characters. The acting is fantastic. It is a tragedy...with an undying glimmer of hope. TDKR appeals to my greatest hopes...even if there are things that I would have done differently. Harry loved STAR TREK. So did I. However, I acknowledge some of the flaws in the film. And, I literally HATE to read the various posts that spit on that film as if it were a terrible thing. It just went against the grain of what each individual wants. Trekkies wanted more old guys wearing red...or just more "five year mission" stories that lack the gravity needed for a blockbuster motion picture. Yet, it is over-the-top to say that the film was "bad." Harry is treating THE DARK KNIGHT RISES like AsimovLives treated STAR TREK (2009). I guess that it shows the passion that we have for what we embrace. However, if we aren't careful, I think that our reaction can be just as over-the-top and extreme as a Muslim who hears about a drawing of Muhammad.

  • It sold out Batman IMO. Departure from canonical Bruce, obviously, but I would even argue it defies Nolan’s own internal character logic based on his interpretation of Wayne. Yes, he told Rachel in TDK the time might be approaching when he could pass of the responsibility to someone else, and he could live happily ever after with her. But she and he both learned from what followed that this was never to be. In her note, she explicitly said she now realizes there will never come a time when Bruce will not need Batman. And his exit at the end of TDK was not to retire, but to continue the fight as a “silent guardian, a watchful protector” while on the run from the police. Rachel even warned him not to see her as his “hope for a normal life”, because she knew that wasn’t really an option. She wasn’t his goal at the end of the Batman tunnel, not really. Yes, he wanted to be with Rachel, but she realized before he did that it wasn’t a temporary obligation he was fulfilling in the cowl, to be discarded as soon as he could clock out and run away with his girlfriend. It defined him. By the end of TDK, I would argue he had learned it, too. He’s the guardian of Gotham, and his war on crime is how he exorcises his childhood demons. Nolan missed (or forgot?) the basic defining character trait of Batman: Batman fights crime. Period. He is vengeance, he is the night, he brings justice to the most corrupt city in the world. He is a detective, a genius, a bad***, and he always has a backup plan. He's not looking for a way out of being The Batman. It's who he is, and he can't stop. Miller's "All-Star Batman & Robin" (flawed as it may be): "I love being the ******* Batman." Batman Beyond: "How'd you know you weren't really dreaming?" "Because I called myself 'Bruce'. That's not what I call myself in my head..." We could go on with the examples forever. TDK was pretty, and as a movie it was fairly good in a "music video" sort of way like Tron: Legacy (if you can overlook the most plot holes ever scripted, maybe think of it like a tone-poem or something), but as the credits rolled, I just felt like it was a betrayal of the character. He's doing things for selfish reasons (Rachel, desire to retire, etc), he's rescuing people with his "powers" (toys) like a typical superhero instead of bringing to justice the SOB's that hurt them in the first place like the ninja-detective that he is, and he's a lonely rich guy who pretends to be a bat when necessary. No. When he first made his fateful decision, he said, to quote from the comics, "I shall become a bat," and he never turned back. The real Bruce Wayne died in that alley with his parents, and he didn't find his place in the world until he became his own fear. He doesn't work out his issues in Italy, he works them out in your face, you law-breaking piece of guano. The whole finale (this is what kills me) hinges on the theme that ANYONE CAN BE BATMAN. Nope. Absolutely not. Bruce Wayne is unique, and not just because of his money. It's not the toys. IT’S HIS WILL. He was hit with a situation that few could bear, and he responded in a way that almost no one ever would. His super power is his own tenacity to wage and win a one-man war on those who would prey on the innocent. He's the dark side of Superman's coin. His powers don't come from the light, they come from the darkness. Sigh... I rant, but only because I love. I nitpick, but it's only because I have seen a great Batman film, and this should have given us real closure that's true to the icons involved. Alfred doesn't quit on Bruce (BB: "Nevah".), and Batman never quits on his mission. One last thought: some might note that the ending is drawn somewhat from Miller’s “The Dark Knight Returns”. But if that’s true, then Nolan totally misinterpreted that book. Bruce didn’t quit and move on, he faked his death to allow himself the freedom (without identity issues in the way) to take his crime war underground, leading a whole squad of Bat-soldiers. IOW, the EXACT OPPOSITE REASON.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    I'll just say what has been repeated here over and over

    by FlyingToupee

    Harry didn't get TDKR. It doesn't even sound like he watched it. If he did, he certainly didn't pay attention. It's not a perfect movie, but it's miles ahead of some of the drek that is drooled over on this site.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST

    the first DVD of BRAZIL came out in 98..

    by Robert Evans

    get your story straight Cohagen.

  • Literally Genuinely Its Noone I humbly submit the following line for the Pulitzer Prize for descriptive journalism, 2012: -Magic. Satellites and Electricity. Wow. Right? Heh. Also, please contemplate the following sentences on the Tree of Woe: -I find the spirit of the season makes think of those that are without. -Remarkable work here on this one of my favorite Sinatra turns. -I mean, it’s kind of obviously the greatest Tim Burton film ever made. -If Sam Lowry could soar, could he not as well. Lastly, TMZ called...they want the following irrelevantly capitalized words back: Hot Cocoa Spiced Cider Nitrate Happy Go Lucky Autographs Comic Book Aquariums Dentist Dental Pain Insanity

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Remember when our biggest complaint was nips on the batsuit.

    by kindofabigdeal

    It's nice to have a bat-flick where people are actually discussing the plot, character arc/development, fights, and overall resolution of a solid trilogy. I think, that in that aspect, Nolans bat-flicks were a success.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    nothing new on the COPPOLA set?!?!

    by Robert Evans

    how about ONE FROM THE HEART? never been on Blu before.. now youre just fucking with me right?!

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST

    THE DARK KNIGHT RISES is pure comic book tropes and melodrama. Why expect anything else?

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    THE DARK KNIGHT hit on some kind of crossover zeitgeist. This should not be expected continuously in the genre, let alone this series. It's Nolan's Batman trilogy, if you don't enjoy it, don't buy it. Batman has been written by many people in many different ways. THERE WILL NEVER BE A DEFINITIVE BATMAN in comics, novels, or movies. Batman is different for everyone.

  • It's not fucking there. He literally says in the movie he quit because he WASN'T NEEDED ANYMORE. If you paid attention to the second movie, he went to work RIGHT AFTER SHE DIED. Jesus, man. At least get your facts straight.

  • As you are too, but IMO the Batman-fugitive plot-line plays second fiddle to the over-arching theme of TDK, which is that of escalation, as The Joker said. Taking the fall for Dent's murder is a plot point that initiates his retreat from the cape'n mask, but Wayne's motivation stay hidden is to maintain the peace by not provoking more lunatic-mask wearing villains that emerge due to the vacuum Batman creates by eliminating conventional crime. I'm not disagreeing with you, but i do think it's the 'Escalation' theme that motivates Batman's retreat - the 'fugitive' plot simply gives it form.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST

    V/H/Suck

    by DarthBlart

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST

    someone give me a plot hole to TDKR...please

    by Robert Evans

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Harry....

    by rogueleader66

    I concur with Mattman.....please tell us where in TDK OR TDKR it's said that Batman quits because the Joker killed Rachel. Don't cop out with any "it isn't said but it is implied/assumed/whatever" bullshit. You gave a specific reason why he quit, back that shit up and tell us where exactly Batman/Bruce Wayne ever said that. Please, don't pussy out on this.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    HUGE NOLAN FAN SINCE FOLLOWING...

    by Johnny Wrong

    ...but TDKR is pretty weak. I also agree he should hire someone more suited to capturing fights on film, it's just not his strong suit.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    TDKR is one schizophrenic movie

    by kwisatzhaderach

    40% great, 60% terrible.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Rogue and Mattman

    by Robert Evans

    Harry will literally pussy out on this one.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Choopah....

    by rogueleader66

    Good point, let's see if anyone bites, and chop 'em when they are inevitably wrong. I can see people not caring for the movie (though I don't know why) but to say it's filled with plot holes is.....dumb. So Choppy will learn any of you who challenge him....fire away.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST

    kindofabigdeal

    by Andrew

    Exactly. That's an awesome point, sir. However good TDKR is or isn't, the fact that superhero movies can cause discourse over important things, rather than trivial things, is a huge step forward. In that sense, however you see the Nolan Batman movies, they are successful.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    by Tabor Brown

    Nitpicker

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    Choppah-bluray.com review of One From the Heart

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Apparently the disc has some visual issues. http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/One-From-the-Heart-Blu-ray/56237/#Review

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    Nolan never visited Aurora shooting victims, unlike Bale --

    by MooseMalloy

    -- who showed real class in doing so. Nolan felt too guilty for spreading his hyper-realism terrorism bullshit so he stayed away, the coward.

  • Great news that Murray finnally figured out the secret to life ... Ghostbusters.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST

    It was on the radio about 5 or 6 am.

    by DarthBlart

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST

    moose

    by Robert Evans

    So Nolan, the director of the film who you say depicted hyper-realistic terrorism, is responsible for the actions of one man who shot up a theater in its first showing. had this happened a few days or even a week after TDKR's opening day, i'd still call bullshit. But for you to put the blame on the film and director, rather than the perpetrator, who had not SEEN the film and obviously planned it beforehand is folly not only do the events in the film not equate to the shooter's actions, it still is not the responsibility of the film. You demand directors and studios to take responsibility but then bitch and moan when GANGSTER SQUAD get delayed in wake of tragedy. cant have both sonny jim

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    sam fulmer

    by Robert Evans

    always the professional gracias!

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST

    A-FUCKING-MEN CHRISTONOMIST

    by Autodidact

    I'm starting a slow clap for you like I did with CreepyThinMan's brilliant takedown of TDKR in one of the original review threads.

  • That is not true either. I just think the guy should have showed up with Bale to visit the various hospitals here in Colorado where shooting victims were being treated. Hey, you reap what you sow, and Nolan has done an awful lot of sowing with these horrible Batman movies he's "created".

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Do you know why Batman climbing out of a hole is not impressive?

    by Autodidact

    Because he's fucking Batman. He should be able to climb his way up a smooth porcelain wall coated in hot butter.

  • Since Mann's style is what inspired Nolan's Dark Knight. And Kane created the character. Without those two, no aurora shootings. Instead, the guy probably would have just shot up a school and blamed Doom.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    moose, don't go there. Where you are going. Dont go there.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Funniest thing about TDKR

    by Autodidact

    Batman gets sent to the most hellacious prison on earth where everybody is effusive, nurturing, and mutually supportive.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Eadweard Muybridge should take responsibility

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Hopefully he can be sued in civil court for Aurora.

  • Don't defend your point by straying from the issue. That issue being did THE DARK KNIGHT have an influence on the Aurora shooter? Yes it did. Point made.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Moose--fuck no Nolan is not responsible

    by Robert Evans

    just as Oliver Stone isnt responsible for the copycat murders after NBK or the Wachowskis after Matrix "inspired" Columbine. Is Tarantino responsible for the Aurora Shooting after INGLORIOUS BASTERDS? Shakespeare when someone kills their entire family? Personal responsibility motherfucker..he should take it as well as his mother who clearly had a hunch something like this might happen. but to blame a film, let alone one about a superhero..thats ignorant.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Masterpiece

    by colinjbooth

    I haven't seen a single reasoned argument for this being anything less than a 9/10.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST

    moose

    by Robert Evans

    if this guy was such a fanboy and zealot of THE DARK KNIGHT he wouldve at least sprayed his hair the right color. and of COURSE there have NEVER been any shootings before The Dark Knight Rises.

  • To what degree they do imitate or are influenced by media is different for every individual.

  • Right now, you're doing a fine impersonation of one of the three retarded trolls in The Hobbit.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    moosemalloy arguement-The movie sucks because

    by Samuel Fulmer

    some psycho "imitated" it. By your logic Taxi Driver must be one of the shittiest films of all time then.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    autodidact, plus it has cable TV!

    by Mattman

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    moose

    by Robert Evans

    so is the media responsible? what about if a guy watches the news of the horrible events of a shooting and decides to do the same thing just to be on the news? who is to blame then?

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    -- mattman: Fine, go watch your crappy Batman movie

    by MooseMalloy

    Just don't buy a gun anytime soon.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    and there it is..

    by Robert Evans

    Samuel fulmer dropping the trump card.

  • I love BoardWalk Empire.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by rogueleader66

    Blaming a film, and its creator for a maniac's rampage? You are truly insane moosewhatever. I guess Nolan put the gun in his hand and drove him to the theater? You sound like the morons who tried to blame suicides and murders on music. Guess what? The sick fuck that did this is to blame. PERIOD. I don't give a shit what movies he watched, or what kind of music he listened to. He was a mentally deficient person, a sociopath, he was anything but normal. But it was Nolan's fault he was that way....right. Let's point the blame at anything and everything except where it belongs. That makes a lot of sense. I guess we can't blame 9/11 on the terrorists then huh? Must have been cause they caught a showing of Tim Burtons Planet Of The Apes....that would drive anyone to mass murder. Moron.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Moose, oh okay, you just don't like the movie

    by Mattman

    I was wondering where all that was REALLY coming from.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Dark Knight Rises=the anti-Batman film

    by Steve Lamarre

    I agree with Harry 100% and then some. A very disappointing movie, especially from what Batman Begins and Dark Knight seemed to promise. I mean WTF, a Batman movie with barely any Batman?? I enjoyed much of the originality of this trilogy, but the 3rd film just goes against the character and mythos far too much. To Nolan and Goyer, and any apologist (batman-on-film) who says "well this is Nolan's Batman, deal with it", a big FUCK YOU. You could have ended the trilogy without turning number 3 into a steaming piece of number 2.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    moose

    by Robert Evans

    ive seen TDK and TDKR numerous times and NOT ONCE have i ever had an urge to BUY a gun, let alone shoot someone. your argument is moot.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    And by the way, Moose

    by Mattman

    I would have called you on that bullshit whether I liked the movie or not. No movie is responsible for one man's actions.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST

    I've hated Nolan since I saw MEMENTO in the theater, haha

    by MooseMalloy

  • Whatever the case, a movie is not to blame for a nutjob's rampage. His life leading up to the shooting put his actions is motion far before he ever saw The Dark Knight. Do you really think that guy was a stable, normal person before he saw that movie? Nope, not at all. Go ahead, blame that on Nolan. If The Dark Knight had never been released, that asshole would have still done what he did, you know why? Cause the fucker is crazy, THAT'S WHY.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Moose, nothing wrong with disliking a director.

    by Mattman

    But he's not responsible for a murderer's actions.

  • Seriously, next thing you're going to tell me is that you're not a man but some sort of half-god! See, the excuses never end.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Anyway I'll be back later to field more abuse

    by MooseMalloy

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST

    You hated Memento? And everything Nolan has done since?

    by rogueleader66

    You just flushed any minuscule amount of credibility that you had down the toilet. Take your Nolan rage someplace else boy. The fact that you hated Memento, renders pretty much anything you say as insignificant. Go watch your Michael Bay DVD collection.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST

    What an odd Coppola set

    by adamtierney

    Why would they include 2 versions of Apocalypse Now? *shrug*

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Media might have an influence on people....

    by rogueleader66

    But if those people act on what they see or hear in the media, then they had problems from day one. These are unstable people that someone let slip thru the cracks. Blame the people who didn't see the signs of these peoples insanity. Not a fucking movie. Grow up and stop blaming things on society. It's very easy to point fingers, that's a device that ignorant people use.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Whether he quit from Rachel dying or taking the blame for Harvey...

    by Steve Lamarre

    Who the fuck cares, both reasons suck immensely anyway. The movie is so mixed up. First he quits. Then he comes back. Then Bane defeats him in a sad and shitty fight match. Then he is exiled. Then someone punches his vertebrae back into place(!!!) Then he comes back. Then he tells Gordon to light some thin ice on fire, HA HA HA! Seriously, What the fucking fuck!

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Best part of TDKR

    by Autodidact

    was my second piss break. Sometimes a good piss is better than sex. Well not really but you know what I mean.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Harry loves fucking garbage

    by NightArrows

    And the world turns.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Coppola Entertainment Weekly

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Has an article up where he talks about currently working on a new film that has some super rich investor fronting the money for it. http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/12/03/francis-ford-coppola-box-set/

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Agreed

    by Dirk

    There seems to be widespread inability to really grasp the themes here. Besides, this is Nolan's Batman not Frank Miller's, Allan Moore's, or anybody else's.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Harry's knowledge of batman

    by lewis maldonado

    You would figure betwen the theatrical release and blu ray release of dark knight rises harry would've brushed up on some batman story arcs but its as a apparent as ever that harry has little to no knowledge of batman.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST

    What do all Batman films (save Batman 1966) have in common?

    by SnootyBoots

    They are action films directed by directors who are piss poor at directing action.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST

    The movie was all about theatrics.

    by Mugato5150

    Let me spend 10 minutes to give you a riddle to express that I'm Batman while I'm carrying a nuke. I can't take 2 minutes to send Alfred and Lucious a text to tell them I'm still alive. Talia al Ghual or whatever the fuck her name is has to kill Bruce Wayne but will fuck him but would rather die killing him rather than just bite his cock off while fucking him.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 4 p.m. CST

    ...I didn't read all the comments

    by Mugato5150

    I wasn't talking about the fucking shooting and anyone who did is an asshole. I was talking about the failings in the film, not the shooting that co-incidentally happened at a screening of the film.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 4 p.m. CST

    Nolan and action!

    by MainMan2001

    First of all, anyone who complains about Nolan not being able to shoot an action sequence is completely wrong. 2nd, have any of you shot an action scene?! Prob not, so you don't know how impossibly hard it actually is so shut up.

  • He's supposed to be a ninja. I realize he's injured (which they completely ignore) but he fights like Rocky on sleeping pills.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    TDKR = DISAPPOINTMENT just like spiderman 3

    by julia

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Prison

    by Robbiemc9

    I liked Catwoman.... That whole - having to climb out of the prison without the rope - thing was so on the nose though. Sheeshhh talk about corny. The bomb prop was pretty silly too as was the cops all emerging clean and ready to fight after spending all that time underground. Then there is the pause for a big end of film speach when you only have 10 seconds left before flying off.... In the end though I actually liked the third one the most. It seemed more like a TV Burton movie plot wise and had a happy ending. The first one bored me to death and the scarecrow was greatly under utilised. The second one is great technically but just so dark and depressing. I reach for Xanax everytime I think about watching it again. With all it's faults this one was fun.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but WHERE during UP does your wife weep, Harry?

    by Jaka

    I'm willing to bet it's at the end of the first act/prologue when Ellie dies, which is exactly where everybody else cries. Unfortunately, there's an entire movie after that that doesn't equal the greatness of that opening. Sure, it's got a few funny spots, but overall I find this movie to be hugely overrated. Other than the opening, anyway, which is absolutely brilliant.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST

    I'm going to say again, I liked TDKR

    by Jaka

    Now don't get me wrong, it's not great. It's definitely NOT TDK. But as I've said before, neither is 99% of all other movies that have ever been released. Yes, it has some plot holes... maybe not even plot holes. More like, lack of character motivation in relation to their actions. Yes, it makes no sense that ALL the police are underground, OR that the army didn't just come in and take over. But for me, overall, it's not as bad as a lot of people want to make it. It mean, shit, it's a Batman movie. I'm not sure what people were expecting. I STILL find it infinitely more re-watchable than Batman Begins.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Where were the supposed mixed up scenes in TDKR?

    by davidwebb

    I'm curious.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Silent Night/Deadly Night Combo Came out 9 years ago.

    by aceldama

    Usually these days, when they re-release, they at least make some changes... add something, new transfer, etc. This isn't even on Blu-Ray. Everyone should have this on DVD anyway, so not sure what the big deal is.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Harry, "beasts of the southern wild?!", you even...

    by ponyboy

    stated last week that you were gonna review probably one of the best movies of the year!?...so how were the bonus features was/is there a commentary?...how was it? already pre-ordered through amazon.ca, will get in a day, so I'll wait it out. and fuckin-a right home 3-D is the shit!!!...especially in 70'...glad you're down cobra.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST

    shit, sorry logan_1973, you already posted my concern...

    by ponyboy

    my bad...just got ticked when i didn't see promised review...jumped the gun, shoulda saw your post. glad you respect that film though.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 5:55 p.m. CST

    My 2 cents on Aurora down below....V

    by kindofabigdeal

    A) The guy was a huge Marvel fan and was afraid that DKR was going to break the Avengers record breaking weekend. Unfortunately we will never know if it stood a chance. Obviously from all the fanboy backlash and pointing out every inconsistancy in the story it would not have. B) The guy was a huge DC fan and was walking on thin ice with his sanity. The final straw was when all he wanted was to see the latest Batman movie. He figured the midnight show was for people who loved the series and/or comic. But low and behold humanity lets him down one more time. At his showing there is 2 year olds, infants, douches' on their phones/ipads. After the first 5 minutes he snaps and heads out the extit where he probs it open with some JuJubees and goes out to his car where his arsenal awaits. C) He represents the chaos that Nolan addressed with the Joker character. It was a completely random event that could have occured anywhere. His reasons were probably too warped or disturbed for the average person to understand. It was part of the evil half of this world that is constantly in conflict with the good. No one could have forseen, or even prevented it from occurring. If it wasn't this kid, it would have been some suicide bomber in gaza, or some rape gang in war torn africa. Or ethnic cleansing in eastern Europe.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Godzilla vs. Biollante

    by KanekoFan

    Glad you show the flick some respect; it's one of my very favorites in a genre I adore. But you dedicate it less than one third of the clumn space you give to Santa ClausConquers the Martians, and a good portion of that paltry allocation you waste typing "MAN IN SUIT" because, jeez, God forbid a Godzilla movie ever be discussed on this site without that bizarre, juvenile outburst to cheapen the whole thing... Seriously, some respect is nice, but a little more respect would go a long way.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST

    The thing that pisses me off about TDKR...

    by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost

    is that the concept of this movie ruins any chance for a "The Dark Knight Returns" live action film. As a long time reader of the Batman, the Nolanverse version of Batman is a fucking idiot. In the first fight with Bane, why the hell wouldn't Batman try and rip apart Bane's mask?! Bane is wearing it for a reason!!! Also, how can Gotham NOT know that Bruce Wayne is/was Batman?! A Robin John Blake Batman/Nightwing will NEVER happen. If it does, it will be shit. Blake has no training to be Batman, and as a Beat Cop, he was pretty shitty as well.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Re: DC films

    by JTStyler

    It is a definitive end. Bruce lives, has handed down the mantle of Batman and is moving on with his life. Here ends the journey of Bruce Wayne. Regardless of whether you think Bruce's fate is obvious and he lives (like me) or that there is doubt, the whole film plays like the end of a saga rather than just another episode in Bruce's life, just another sequel i.e. just another issue of a long running comic. Bravo, Christopher.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Dont any of you understand Harry hates originality?

    by shawn_h

    Of course he shat on TDKR. I called that a mile away. It wasn't HARRYS idea of Batman, so he threw a tantrum, he belongs on the big bang theory. Nobody gives a fuck about your basic feelings toward Batman Harry. It was a different take on the character, of course you can't get that cuz your a fucking WEIRD NERD. and a 40-something year old virgin.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST

    by JTStyler

    On the topic of playing like the finale to a saga, TDKR does this better than any recent trilogy finale (as opposed to the finale of a 3-part directly continuing story such as Star Wars or LOTR) save perhaps the Bourne Ultimatum in that it harkens back to the first film. TDKR mirrors Batman Begins in themes bringing the story full circle. The echoes are everywhere in TDKR. Nolan succeeded in making 3 very different films, in tone and style that make a satisfying whole. Bravo Nolan. I for one have made TDKR my first Blu-Ray purchase.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 6:47 p.m. CST

    So if youre this world famous Billionaire in the TDKR

    by jingle_balls

    How in the hell can you just eat in some fancy restaurant without anyone recognizing you? Surely you would at least try to disguise yourself? And also your city is in chaos and a Nuclear bomb is going to blow up very soon....................... BETTER GO MAKE A BAT SYMBOL OUT OF FIRE!!!

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Everybody Is Entitled To Thier Opinion

    by proper

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Everybody Is Entitled To Their Opinion

    by proper

    But to watch something one doesn't enjoy "a dozen times" and still not pick up on basic plot points is a waste of life, there are so many things to watch & read while getting better from an illness, it's a shame Harry, Fix up man!!!!..........After watching the entire run of Brave & Bold cartoons [It's Excellent] I'm open to other versions of Batman & agree with a seperate interpretaion for the Justice League film [Do the first issues of the JL reboot, no more origin films please] & although I really enjoyed the Dark Knight Trilogy [after seeing them all once or twice each] Judge Briggs' suggested ending would of been truly great........... Get well soon Harry & do some knitting,handicraft or watch/read/play some other stuff [& no Farmville or other Pavlov's Dogs type games don't count], best wishes to all :> :> :>

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:05 p.m. CST

    V/H/S ROCKS!!!

    by islander

    V/H/S is a scary fun (and yes dark) film. I had the pleasure of seeing it for the first time on the big screen with a willing audience. A good time was had by all. Going through the V/H/S Blu-ray bonus material today. When I picked it up with The Dark Knight Rises there was some confusion with the clerk when I asked for TDKR and my V/H/S. Good times.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:05 p.m. CST

    so did Batman jettison that bomb by remote control?

    by alan_poon

    If so that goes against everything he believes in and completely ruins the film. He should have gone down with The Bat and that be that. Oh and Talia's death scene had me in stitches. Just cringeworthy.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:29 p.m. CST

    What? No MSTK3?

    by maxjohnson1971

    Tsk tsk Harry!

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Oooops...

    by maxjohnson1971

    Meant MST3K. Still... Tsk tsk!

  • And I thought Van Helsing killed the man, but he lived, dang it! LIIIIVED! You've ruined by marriage, Wolverine!

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST

    TDKR was ass. V/H/S was ass.

    by The_All_Dead

    that is all.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST

    They say that Tim Burton's BATMAN was silly, but...

    by deathbird

    I can't recall a montage wherein Michael Keaton was de-paralyzed by a few swift punches to the spine. Worst trilogy-cappers: 1. The Dark Knight Rises 2. X-Men 3 3. Return of the Jedi 4. Spider Man 3 Best trilogy-cappers 1. Return of the King 2. The Good, the Bad and the Ugly 3. Toy Story 3 4. Revenge of the Sith 5. Son of Frankenstein

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Godfather III was far worse than ROTJ.

    by alan_poon

    And Revenge of The Sith was a big pile of shit.

  • BATMAN BEGINS was more traditional, with the plotting and action (which may be why I like it so much more than the other 2). While THE DARK KNIGHT had some cool action scenes and some good ideas, the problem is that Nolan went away from Goyer and completely took over the scripting... and it shows. Much like INCEPTION, both TDK and TDKR try to be far more clever than they actually are. Just check out: THE DARK KNIGHT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u843KNE-exo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seBpXt8_6xs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeEDrEuhcvw THE DARK KNIGHT RISES: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQJuGeqdbn4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLyoog562x4 And here are some semi-related bonuses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MP_G6arpVI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeUbztYScxI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhYTCccZ6aM&list=SPEE6E4AF38BC19EC2

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Jaws III in 3D

    by thelordofhell

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Arc

    by Wookie

    My head hurts every time I hear someone say arc, character arc, story arc, noah's ark, archaeology.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:36 p.m. CST

    You're all missing the point

    by lock67ca

    Harry hates TDKR, and Nolan in general, because Chris wouldn't allow set visits. Same reason he hated Inception, That's why he came up with lame, ridiculous excuses for hating both films. In short, he's acting like a 2 year old throwing a temper tantrum.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 8:56 p.m. CST

    And again, Harry proves he did NOT UNDERSTAND TDKR one bit

    by D.Vader

    What a maroon. Really.

  • ...as we've learned from A Knife in the Water, Purple Noon, and Dead Calm. Looking forward to grabbing the Criterion Purple Noon this week! Also... V/H/S haters beware. It's a solid horror flick, and worth the price of admission for the one scene where someone is sneaking around a hotel room while two characters sleep.

  • Online, dozens of people drew comparisons between JGL and Heath Ledger's facial similarities. I really hoped that JGL's cop role in TDKR was going to turn out to be a decoy for fans. Then I saw the trailer, and I knew JGL truly would not play The Joker. If you can recast a make-up-less role like Rachel, why can't you recast a character covered in make-up? I want to know what Nolan's plan for the third movie was, had Heath not died. I think the fans deserve to know what could have been.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST

    I really, really like TDKR.

    by Yelsaeb

    The first time I saw it, my feelings toward it were lukewarm. Upon viewing number two, however, I really liked it. I just love Nolan's style of filmmaking. The practical stunts, the music, the acting, where he puts the camera, Pfister's lighting of the whole ordeal, I love it all. There's no doubt that TDKR doesn't match the perfection of TDK but its still a highly enjoyable movie. TDKR sort of feels Bond-ish to me, which only rasies my anticipation level for the eventual Nolan Bond.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 11:13 p.m. CST

    To all the Nolan apologists......Fuck You! Harry is Right!

    by Darth_Kaos

    On his initial review he was right on, and his re-visit hits the same. TDKR is such a weak movie on so many levels, on which Harry noted in his original review. If only you Nolanites remove Chris Nolan's dick from your mouth for one second to breathe, you'd realize that TDKR is the weakest of the three, and imho, Nolan's second worst pile of borefest since Insomnia. I won't go into my tirade on why I think Nolan is the most overrated director of the last 10 years.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Let me guess

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    This talkback will be about the Dark Knight Rises. I actually agree with Harry. It's pretty lame.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Carl is dead in UP, the entire film is a hallucination as he passes.

    by Brandon Gable

    The moment Carl returns home after court is when he dies. Everything from the time the nursing home personnel knock on his door to the end is pure fantasy, the last vision of a dying man. It's the only explanation for how perfectly everything plays out. Viewing the film from that perspective shrouds the whole film in sadness but it also adds a layer of satisfaction when you realize how content he is when the screen (and his life) fades to black.

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 11:51 p.m. CST

    TDKR was a 7/10, good but not great. Harry is wrong

    by LabattsBleu

    about Batman quitting because of Rachel. Maybe that was part of it, but its pretty clear that the reason he quit was to save Harvey's reputation and therefore all the good things they did as a Triad. As for TDKRs, yes, there is bloat, and there are head scratching decisions. Having Batman in another fist brawl with Bane after getting smoked? no - they should have followed the blue print with Miller's Dark Knight Returns... where Batman actually uses his brains to beat the Mutant leader. if he had brought Alfred in on that battle (as a surprise, like the Green Arrow in the comic), man, the audience would have cheered - it would have been fantastic!

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 12:24 a.m. CST

    If the ending revealed that bane was infact the joker

    by TheJudger

    Everyones head would have imploded. I think that was a missed opportunity. Same brown eyes, same eye motions when spit off dialog, the mask covered his mouth and nose area. I mean lets face fact here. They could have went there at the end and it would have been one hell of a gut punch, and yeah we know he doesn't scheme but he sorta does. I mean he does plan things, but really a jester never plays by the rules. Deception and theatricality powerful agents against the uninitiated. Oh how badly I wanted bane to be the joker at the end. All the spoilers abound with rahs a' ghuls daughter being in it made the twist ending somewhat predictable, but having seen it again. Blake was given a map to take the mantle up. Bruce did fake his death. Alfred wasn't seeing shit- this is not inception. If JL uses Blake/Robin as batman I'm fine with that. Whose to say Bruce wont come back someday. Watch the ending over and over again. Bruce did no die. Blake was given directions to the cave, Alfred saw who he did, Fox found out about the autopilot being fixed by Wayne. Batman is coming back some day. Blake should be nightwing though. Honesty. it's ok to have a batman fee justice league, do that and then bring bats back for the third justice league film. Blake is nightwing, say it with me now.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 12:45 a.m. CST

    dkr better than any of the kiddy marvel movies

    by Hugh Gustavus

    yes dkr is the 3rd best of the nolan batman trilogy, but it is still much more ambitious, complex, real, and adult than any other comic book movies this year.

  • What a horrible, fucking wretched pile of stinking shit this movie was. By the end I was relieved it was fucking over. You can tell that not only did Nolan not have a fucking clue as to what this movie was supposed to be about, it’s clear that he didn’t give a shit. Not only that but after all that fucking BULLSHIT about this being the “finale” they might as have well put up a fucking TO BE CONTINUED… at the end just to give the cocksuckers at Warner. Brothers an open door for a fucking sequel. Where to begin? The incredibly sloppy pacing. The Overabundances of characters that added nothing to the overall story and who could have been cut out to make this ass numbing garbage go a bit faster. No themes, no subtext, FUCKING NOTHING that warranted my time wasted on this fucking trash. What a fucking letdown, especially after what they managed to accomplish with The Dark Knight. This movie is completely fucking redundant. Nolan didn’t have a fucking clue what he wanted this movie to be about. Batman Begins was about FEAR! TDK was about Order, Chaos and Chance which was symbolized with Batman, The Joker and Two-face. TDKR was about putting money into Nolan’s fucking bank account. I’ve complained about BB being to “comic bookish” but TDKR is soo fucking generic it’s unbelievable! After the breakthrough of TDK, Nolan has made a Batman movie with a plot soo fucking clichéd that it makes the “fear toxin dispersal” of BB seem like fucking Shakspeare. There’s a bad guy, he has a nuke, Batman saves the day, BUT WAIT, is he really dead?!? The femme fatale with a heart of gold. The love interest that’s a back stabber. BLAH BLAH FUCKING BLAH!!! Nolan fucked this in soo many ways it boggles the mind. And to those of you who say “but, but, but, the final 30 minutes are the awesomz!!!” FUCK YOU! There is soo much inconsistent fucking retardation that I don’t know where to begin and those final 30 were fucking snoozville unless you ride a fucking shortbus and haven’t seen that type of conclusion at least a dozen times in your life. 8 Years Later - Why did this need to be set that far in the future? Why is Bruce Wayne’s body gimped out? He was only Batman for A YEAR and even though he took a beating, 8 years and the best medicine in the world would have healed him, especially if he hadn’t of been Batman for that time. John Blake – A fucking useless character who was there only to set up sequels with him as Robin. I wanted to see GORDON AND BATMAN in action! Not some fucking rookie cop. Fuck JGL and the horse he rode in on. Oh and I loooove that look on his face when he shoots and kills the MEN WHO INTENDED ON MURDERING HIM as if “no, guns bad, I done wrong!”. You’re not a ninja Blake, stick to the bang bangs you fucking pig! Mathe Modine – Whose characters name I couldn’t even be bothered to look up as he’s yet another fucking useless bitch who takes time away from what’s important. Miranda Tate/ Ra's al Ghul daughter – Fucking useless love interest who was obviously set up as a literal backstabber. Tell me again, she sets up the scenario where she has access to a nuke and wants to destroy Gotham but why exactly didn’t she just set the fucking thing off considering that she had a fucking death wish and was prepared to die to avenge her father. Speaking of which, even with her dead and Batman believed to be gone, what’s stopping the League of Shadows from trying to destroy Gotham again? The League isn’t tied to one man or his fucking family. If they’ve been around for centuries then I’m sure the efforts of a costumed billionaire aren’t going to stop them. Bane – What a piece of shit, even when I could hear him through his fucking gimp mask, which was only about half the time. The character FUCKING SUCKS and all Nolan did was make him a generic thug with a few extra braincells who crushed skulls. Oh and how awesome was it that he basically engineered a takeover of the ENTIRE CITY and conveniently Jim Gordon left a fucking letter of admission about the truth behind Harvey Dent’s death to really rile up the rabble as though it makes any difference to criminals. What fucking difference did that make AT FUCKING ALL?!? They still would have been freed and tore through Gotham. Again, since Miranda Tate wanted to nuke Gotham what was the fucking point of trapping cops in the tunnels and spending months if not YEARS setting up explosives to trap them. You know, for someone portrayed as viciously brutal, I don’t quite understand why Bane would trap all of the city’s cops and not, say, gas them all to fucking death like rats. Talking about gas, I noticed that they didn’t even bother to explain what that fucking mask was for except that he couldn’t breath without it. Except that he could when Ra's al Ghul found him in the prison with a cloth over his mouth. What did the other prisoners do to him? Fuck his piehole soo many times that he couldn’t take in fresh air?! There is just so much stupid fucking shit in this fucking movie! Catwoman – Could have been used well if Nolan wasn’t soo fucking obsessed with “realism” that he sucks the life out of everything. What exactly was her storyline? She was being used to secure Wayne’s fingerprints in exchange for a clean slate by Bane? Got conned and then turned good guy to help Wayne in exchange for the same stupid plot device; some sort of software that can erase your identity, unless it’s been recorded on PAPER I guess?! Catwoman’s moral ambiguity was always the backbone of her character and made her contrast with Batman. That’s her strength. But she was basically a pawn between Bane and Wayne. Oh and how nice that she killed Bane FUCKING DEAD because Batman’s “moral code” prevents him from doing so. Except for when he killed Harvey Dent to save Gordon’s kid. I guess Jimmy’s cumstain was more important than the lives of 12 million people who could have been easily saved had Batman not been a fucking PUSSY! Batman – I know the he’s against murder but considering the fucking scale and scope of the crisis on hand, you’d think he’d make an exception and start wasting motherfuckers when you take into account that Bane’s men have killed who knows how many fucking people not to mention threatened the lives of everyone in the entire city. The thing about war is that morality is a liability because the people who you seek to defeat might not have such high minded ideals about the sanctity of life and wouldn’t think twice about killing you. In this case Batman’s refusal to kill makes him look like a fucking idiot. It’s not heroic, it’s stupid. But at least in the end he didn’t actually have to “sacrifice” anything as he was able to sit at a table half way around the world without being recognized so that he could exchange a meaningful glance with Alfred, his trusty manservant who had been with him since birth and who Bruce had fired because he had burnt the letter Rachel had left for him which woudn't have made any fucking difference. Really, if Wayne had read "Sorry Bruce but Harvey Dent's got a huge cock and licks my dripping wet beaver real good like a child being given an icecream cone on a hot sunny day!" how would it have affected things? He'd still be a miserable little bitch boy billionaire as always. Oh and he didn't seem to have a problem jumping into bed with Miranda the second that he found out that Rachel was a lying whore and wasn't going to wait for him. True love my ASS!!! This terrible movie will sit in the dustbin of history with the other miserable examples of 3rd Times the Harm alongside X-Men 3, Blade 3 and Spider-man 3. I’m soo fucking pissed right now! That cocksucking limey fuck Nolan had four motherfucking years to make this movie and this was the best that asswipe could do? Too busy jerking off onto his IMAX cameras which should be shoved up his fucking asshole post haste! “IMAX this and IMAX that BLAH BLAH BLAH”, yeah, too bad you didn’t spend as much time working on the fucking script you overrated cunt! What’s clear throughout all of this is that fuckface was less interested in making a Batman movie as he was turning Batman into James Bond. We all know of Nolan’s fixation with Bond but unlike Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, where he managed to merge his interests together by brilliantly using the Batman mythos to convey theme’s and subtext, in the case of The Dark Knight Rises Nolan has not only shit the bed but flooded the whole fucking house with a river of diarrhea, loosening its foundation and sending it floating down the street over the edge of a fucking cliff! Suffice to say I didn’t like this movie. Except for the bitches as this is the first movie Nolan has made where he hasn't cast a single fugly woman in any role.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 12:51 a.m. CST

    @darth_kaos

    by Hugh Gustavus

    insomnia a borefest? either you havent seen it, or you are a moron? That is a well paced and acted thriller. Maybe stick with michael bay movies for 12yos and retards

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 12:55 a.m. CST

    @deathbird

    by Hugh Gustavus

    revenge of the sith is by far the best of the prequels but is still not great. But return of the king? a bloated, ridiculous capper to 9 hours of walking to a volcano? are u kidding? its also got 4000 endings. Return of the jedi is a masterpiece compared to 99 percent of summer movies nowadays, and has some great scenes, but yes the ewoks are painful and i think someone(han, just like harrison wanted) should have been sacrificed to make it a dramatic and worthy conclusion

  • Thank you man. I was beginning to think no one here, especially the Nolanites really KNEW what Batman is SUPPOSED to be about. "Batman fights crime. Period. He is vengeance, he is the night, he brings justice to the most corrupt city in the world. He is a detective, a genius, a bad***, and he always has a backup plan. He's not looking for a way out of being The Batman. It's who he is, and he can't stop." Yes. Yes. and YES. The idiot Harry haters here have clearly NEVER EVER read a REAL Batman comic. Otherwise when they say uninformed stuff like "Thank goodness we didn't get Harry's version of Batman!" Or some fucking stupid similar comment, they clearly show they don't know what they're talking about. It's about staying true to the character. Nolan didn't do that.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 1:31 a.m. CST

    TDKR = waste of column space

    by Flip63Hole

    Come on, Harry. This talkback would have been quite enjoyable otherwise, but kudos for calling a turd a turd. Maybe Nolan's next heartless mess of an expositionfest will actually be entertaining? I doubt it. Though, he could wind up being a decent producer. He hires a mean set of talent... Green Lantern / The Punisher > TDKR

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 5:19 a.m. CST

    Whinning fanboys

    by Ralph Scifaretto

    If we leave behind the question of "What is Batman supposed to be?", then Nolan's trilogy, considered as work of cinema and not just as a rendering of a particular version of the character, is PURE genius. And yes, I also include TDKR (best film of the year in my opinion, alongside Holy Motors and The master). I saw the complete saga over the week-end in glorious blu-ray and was astonished. I always thought that Nolan is like a modern-day Fritz Lang, and his Batman trilogy gets the same impact that the old German master's serials from the 20s (Dr Mabuse, the gambler, particulary). Regarding the infamous question: What is Batman supposed to be? If you take Miller's version, he is indeed vengeance, the night, etc. But Miller's is not the only version. I love Morrison's take of the character, for example. And, yes, I love Nolan's version, the way that it is played by Bale. It is a completely coherent character, specially as played by Christian Bale. I think his development as a character is believable, the way it is portrayed in all three films.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 5:21 a.m. CST

    If you dont like dont pick it!

    by Qwekh

    Really nobody needs to be reminded that the TDKR BluRay is out there. This is just about making money of an amazon link.

  • OK, so one thing that threw me was the complete avoidance of even mentioning the Joker...you know, the guy that set all these things in motion, fine i get that Dent is the focus of where the narrative is moving...even though not to mention the Joker even ONCE seemed very odd.. fine fine.. but when the prisoners break out toward the end...is that not the Gotham prison in which the Joker is held? no? Maybe i've got that wrong, but if I haven't WTF?

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    @quantize

    by Chris Kirby

    A) I claim no knowledge of comic books whatsoever B) I'm one who enjoyed the movie for what it was and don't necessarily like to pick it apart. I thought it was a fun movie but I understand all of the complaints. My answer would be that several years have passed since the Joker. I doubt he would be in prison with the general population. Likely in the asylum or on death row in solitary somewhere else. C) I'm dumb.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 8:46 a.m. CST

    So, any other movies come out besides Batman?

    by jawaburger

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 9:06 a.m. CST

    @ quantize

    by Spandau Belly

    Nolan has said that he did not want any mention of The Joker in TDKR out of respect for Heath Ledger's legacy. I can understand the sentiment, although avoiding any mention of the character altogether doesn't really make sense to me. I don't consider it dancing on a man's grave to mention a character he played. But Nolan does. I, for one, would've been fine with The Joker being recast.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 9:30 a.m. CST

    The Dark Knight Rises...In My Pants

    by BilboRing

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST

    creepythinmanlives

    by FlyingToupee

    You may not agree with Nolan's choice of using John Blake as a main character, but it wasn't to set up sequels. Nolan wanted to pay homage to the mythos in his own way, and this was how he handled the Robin character. Robin Blake was one of the ways in which Nolan managed to fit all of the essential characteristics of the Batman legend into his trilogy, while staying true to his own vision. Robin's future will not be seen on screen, unless it's in a non Nolan approved spinoff.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST

    My Issues With TDKR As I watched The Film

    by Brandon

    1. I felt that the flash back to the speech given at the end of The Dark Knight was unnecessary 2. What was the point of the Bat Cave being so well crafted? It was incomplete in Begins and was never completed or used in the Dark Knight. If he hasn’t been Batman for 8 years I see no function for a Bat Cave 3. I felt the reason that Blake knew Bruce was Batman was sloppily handled 4. Smooth move Bruce you could have played it off 5. Bruce feels the need to use that Batman voice in every other situation ever, and doesn’t use it when he talks to Gordan 6. Just call it The Bat Wing 7. HOW DOES A KNEE BRACE GIVE YOU THE ABLITY TO BREAK A WALL WITH A KICK? ESPECIALLY IN SNEAKERS!!! 8. No crashes during the whole power outage thing Batman does in the tunnel? 9. Why didn’t he use the bat in the first place? 10. NO ONE ELSE IS AROUND WHY DID HE DO THAT BATMAN VOICE WHEN HE MADE THAT SO THAT’S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE JOKE?! 11. Bruce acting like a complete idiot, way too sure of himself 12. No! NO! NOOOO! Alfred would never give up on Bruce ever! It was established in Batman Begins and in years of comic books (I understand he didn’t want to see someone he loves wither away but my god he would never just leave) 13. Nolan prides himself in being realistic, the reactor looks too sci-fi for a noir world 14. No Batman cannot be anyone, it takes a drive and will power that no one else but Bruce Wayne himself has. Sure anyone can be a hero and stand up to evil but not everyone can be Batman. That wasn’t the point what the hell? In begins the point of batman was that he wanted criminals to have someone to fear, not that anyone could be batman. 15. Why was Rachel Dawes picture of her during the conversation at the restaurant in The Dark Knight? I wasn’t aware that their pictures were being taken. 16. I JUUUUUUUUUSSSST HAAAAAD SEEEEEEEX AND IT FEELS SOOOO GOOOD (that whole scene where bruce does Tate and dresses up as batman right after) 17. I learned Kung-Fu in the mountains and all I know how to do is punch…punch…punch…scream grunt…punch 18. Bane knows your bruce wayne jesus stop with the voice 19. SEND ALL THE COPS INTO THE SEWERS!!! 20. Why didn’t fox just flood the chamber? 21. Bane knew Gordan was going to send all of the police down into the tunnels? 22. Why is gotham city news airing in a different country? Even says GCN at the bottom of the broadcast 23. The Ras Al Gual Cameo 24. The trapped cops look too clean, it’s been months 25. HOW THE HELL DID BRUCE GET BACK INTO GOTHAM?! HE HAS NO MONEY SO HE COULDN’T ARRANGE A FLIGHT BACK, THE CITY IS BLOCKED OFF SO NO ONE COULD GET IN! SO WHAT THE FUCK? 26. Your telling me Bruce spent a ton of time setting up that whole fire bat symbol rather spending his time doing something more constructive? 27. Seriously it’s been months those cops look too well put together 28. Just stop jesus, selina knows your bruce wayne that voice man… 29. LETS ALL RUN STRIAGHT INTO ENEMEY GUNFIRE!!! Good plan cops, very solid plan. Then again the mercenary’s seem to have the same weapons training as Strom troopers from Star Wars 30. Nolan goes for realism, people can now punch through pillars…what? 31. Batman you’ve only been stabbed punch her in the face get her away from the detonator, shes distracted by bane, and bane is down. 32. Banes death was lame 33. YOU THINK THEY WANNA HEAR THAT RIGHT NOW!? LET THEM DIE WITHOUT HOPE?! HEAR THAT KIDS! (love how he is concerned for the kids yet he screams out how he is lying to them because they are going to die) 34. My name is Robin…obvious enough yet?! 35. OK wait…he was shown to be in the cock pit the entire time, how did he bail out and use the auto pilot in time?

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    So, you know, you don't get Batman.

    by JackSlater4

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    harry really missed it

    by coolfan

    Uhhh Batman didn't quit because his girlfriend died. He quit because he wasn't needed anymore because of the law passed in Harvey Dent's name.

  • Yeah, makes a lot of sense.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST

    jigsaw1995, No. 35

    by SergeantStedenko

    The Bat Dummy! He used it before to make it look like he was driving the Batmobile in the original series from the 60's.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST

    @ jtstyler

    by DC Films

    I think another popular consensus is that the ending is Alfred's dream.... I think that's Nolan's intention, to let us decide for ourselves if it's a dream or not. It plays like the end of Inception - did the gyroscope stop spinning, or was that final moment just a hiccup. My conclusion is that the end of Batman is 100% inconclusive. Batman's death was an incredibly powerful turn, but one that the publicity had been foreshadowing. That extra 'dream' scene before the credits sapped that power catastrophically.

  • As it stands, John Blake is a completely annoying, useless and extraneous character who solely exists for the "big" (actuallu lame) reveal at the end when he finds the Bat Cave.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST

    ^^^Spoilers in Above^^^

    by SergeantStedenko

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Agree on 'TDKR'....

    by Grrrr....

    I didn't catch it in cinema.... Sorry but when the Blu Ray was release I was all over it. Very disappointed..... Not a bad movie but I kinda expected more. My biggest gripe? To little BATMAN!!!!

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST

    A solid 6 out of 10. I don't understand the utter bile directed at it.

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Something that bothered me to a degree..it seemed as though most of the major players knew Bruce Wayne was Batman..but Gordon was clueless?

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    TDKR was pretty cool

    by donkey_lasher

    I don't understand the hate and the way that some people cant believe some of the things that happen in it. IT'S ABOUT A MAN WHO DRESSES AS A BAT TO FIGHT CRIME, WHAT WERE YOU EXPECTING? FUCKING OTHELLO?

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST

    TDKR is a much better film the Godfather 3

    by donkey_lasher

    Most people don't even remember that there was more than one sequel, it was that bad.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    sergeantstedenko... a god amongst men

    by Brandon

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Another reason he quit being Batman

    by jim

    The police chase after the stock exchange is hit perfectly illustrates why he couldn't be Batman after the end of TDK: Cops break off their chase of Bane and his crew, despite what they just did, to go after Batman. Going out as Batman he's doing more harm than good. He becomes the focus of the police force's resources over actual criminals.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    TDKR is a much more satisfying conclusion than Godfather 3

    by Mattman

    Without any horrendous performances or redundant flashbacks bogging it down. Silly comparison.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Has Harry seen LES MISERABLES?

    by jim

    re: "After watching LES MISERABLES with Hugh Jackman as Jean ValJean… which is one of those performances that completely rewrites everything you knew about this actor." As far as I know, the world premiere is today in London. Or does he mean one could (or should) watch this after seeing Les Mis? Which movie is the performance "that completely rewrites everything you knew about this actor" - Les Miserables or Oklahoma, or both? Who here is proficient in Harryese that can help me interpret this? I know that's a fairly tall order as I myself have been studying this language for over 8 years now and still see little improvement on my part. I think one must need a PHD in archaic languages to come close to grasping more than simply the gist of Harry's writings.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    I'll really be annoyed something fierce.

    by la_sith

    Will you ever be annoyed enough to hire a proof-reader

  • Will Mia Sara show up as a damsell in distress/femme fatale sometime soon?

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    DKR

    by Rebeck2

    ...Is a complete and total mess. It shows the folly of trying to make a comic book story play like "real life". It can never work. The story and the reality has to be elevated or it falls apart - or worse, is just pretentious and doesn't entertain. I am an objective observer who has really only enjoyed one BATMAN movie: BATMAN BEGINS. It struck the perfect balance, was smart AND entertaining. But Nolan lost it after that, IMO.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST

    TDKR script is UNBELIEVABLY BAD , endless logic faults

    by Seth Brundle

    i seriously cant believe nolan approved of that garbage, TDK was a fuckin masterpiece but this shit is so bland and beyond BORING, batman is in the film like 15 min and i agree with Harry Batman shouldn't have a "conclusion", it should be like James Bond, mission accomplished, lets go to the next sick plan from a villain

  • It's kind of bullshit that they pinned everything on Batman anyway when the Joker was available for that. AND HE DESERVED IT!!!

  • I didn't like it the first time I saw it at the end of TDK. It rung false to me. But, that said it did not ruin everything up to that point with the movie. Nolan had a very clear vision of what story he wanted to tell, well at least with the first two and he tried to force fist Batman's mythology into that story and, at least for me, it all fell apart in TDKR.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Oh Christ Harry

    by LethargicJ

    How can you still be spouting off this non-sense about Batman quitting over his girlfriend?? I would never try to convince somebody who doesn't like a movie to like it, that's silly. There's a lot of people that don't like TDKR, just like there are a lot who don't like BB or TDK. I couldn't care less. But YOU hate the movie for reasons that don't EXIST. You jumped to wrong conclusions, you blatantly missed major points, you totally miss-understood the movie and instead of blaming your own stupidity you blame the movie. It's really mind boggling.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST

    FOR HARRY: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX9FSZJu448

    by Chris Moody

    Every time that I watch this video, I think of Harry Knowles! Keep up the work, Harry.

  • After all, buddy thought the best plan of attack for the cops fresh from spending 3 months underground was running headlong into Bane's armed army (and straight at the Tumblers). However, I'll give the police force the benefit of the doubt and say, while not incompetent, their priorities regarding reallocating resources to catch Batman was misguided. And that's why I say him being out on the street catching muggers and bank robbers would do more harm than good. He became Batman partly because Gotham's police force was so ineffective due to corruption. Once the police force was cleaned up, the cops started doing their jobs properly. With the exception of wasting manpower on trying to catch Batman, they were doing a good job. The less time they spent chasing Batman, the more time spent catching actual criminals. But then along comes Bane.....

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST

    TDKR & Harry

    by Matt

    Whatever problems I had with TDKR - and it's definitely my least favorite of the trilogy - I can't get past Harry's inability to grasp why Batman quits. For someone who claims he's seen The Dark Knight so many times, he must have always shut it off before Batman takes the fall for Harvey Dent's crimes in order to bring peace to Gotham. He doesn't quit because of Rachel. If that were the case, he would have just said, "Ah, fuck it. Let the Joker blow those boats up." He quits for the greater good of the city and its people. It gives them something to rally around. It's pretty well explained, but I guess Harry missed it all those times. Oh, and as for Harry's expectations for the character: there is a reason Christopher Nolan didn't call you and ask, "Hey Harry, what do YOU think we should do with this film? What direction should we take that is more in line with your vision?"

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    This trilogy is about Bruce Wayne

    by FlyingToupee

    And in that respect it works just fine. The other superhero movies like Captain America and Spider-Man has the character in action without a mask half of the time. So what's the big friggin' deal if Wayne is only suited up for a few scenes? Every one of them is pure gold, the best Batman action in any movie.

  • But, don't you think it is a little heavy-handed and overkill for him to have Bane ride his motorcycle straight through a stream of cop cars who were just chasing him seconds ago just to make the point that Batman is distracting to the police force? To me, that's just bad writing. Nolan trying to get a point across and doing so in the most unrealistic way possible. There are other ways that scene could have played out. I guess in a way, the police and their chief acted like characters from the original 60's series would have acted. So, maybe Nolan was being faithful to the sources after all.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    sergeantstedenko

    by FlyingToupee

    I respect your opinion, and one of the flaws of the movie that Gary Oldman didn't have enough to do(though what he did do was amazing). But iI did like seeing Robin in the trilogy in some form; it cemented my own take on what Nolan was doing. To me, the Nolan films are the "real" Batman story, and the other movies and variants are the "urban legend" that grew as a myth to the general populace. Kind of like Paul Bunyan or Davey Crocket.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Got the Blu-Ray TDKR yesterday...

    by thot

    Looks and sounds great. Nice features too. Having to access some content online I find a bit annoying but what are ya gonna do? As far as the Trilogy goes, here's my take. 1. The Dark Knight Rises 2. Batman Begins 3. The Dark Knight looking forward to seeing the next incarnation of Bats.

  • wasn't praise for the way it was handled but rather how obvious it made the point. I'd assumed it was done in such a heavy-handed, hand-holding way so that anyone watching would get it and make the connection between what happened there and Batman's 8 year vacation. Well, everyone except Harry apparently, who still thinks he quit simply because he was sad.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST

    the fight scenes were laughable

    by michael

    nolan wanted to ground the batman films in reality as much as possible but are we to believe bane can start punching chunks of concrete of a pillar. that scene alone had me laughing. it was also like they hit fast forward when bane was giving bats those body blows. really nolan? and no government, city hostage or not, is going to let terrorists hold a city hostage for that damn long. especially a city on our own soil. no fight scene can top blade vs nomak as far as comic book movie fights go. that was intense...and both those guys would fuck up bane and bats.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    The DKR Top 250 #32 on imdb

    by alex

    Jesus fuck people stupid.

  • Makes me wanna puke.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Agree with Harry on DKR

    by ironburl

    Laughable

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    All Nolanites should watch COMIC BOOK CONFIDENTIAL

    by MooseMalloy

    -- for a little history lesson.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST

    All "comic book fans" should read some comics

    by Mattman

    For a little history lesson. TDKR made it clear that a lot of so called "fans" have never read a Batman comic. Or at least missed the most crucial arcs.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I've been reading comics since the 70's douchebag

    by MooseMalloy

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Moose, you really are too easy

    by Mattman

  • I've Watched TDKR 3 times now that i have the Bluray & though i was disappointed with it at the cinema repeat viewing does make it more accessible storywise. I'll never like the fact Nolan chose to jump 8 years for the storyline, i'll never consider Bane worthy of being Batman's final baddie, i'lll never consider anyone but Wayne as Batman. Despite my personal nitpicks if looked at a thriller and an attempt by Nolan to create something original with such a well known character (remember before Nolan we had the godawful Batman & Robin) TDKR is a fantastic movie feast. Play the 'When is the Bat real & when is it CGI' game, the SFX are so seamless in places they go unnoticed. We all say 'it's not like i wanted so i hate it!' like children, but for someone not demented about comicbook lore it's quite a movie. How Batman is re made after such an ending is a real head scratcher for whoever follows Nolan.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Harry hates Nolan because he doesn't give bribes to him...

    by Ricardo

    ... and because Nolan is moving away from the traditional Michal Bay-esque mediocra Hollywood, which Harry loves because A) is dumb enough he can understand and B) is motivated by dumb marketing moves such as bribing AICN, and Harry just loooooves his gifts and paid trips as the ego-hungry arrogant stupid fat fuck he is.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 5:03 p.m. CST

    People bash TDKR for plot holes...

    by Ricardo

    ... and praise The Avengers. Nolan should pull a Terry Gilliam and stay AWAY from the US market.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Glad to know I'm not the only one who thought DKR was COMPLETE GARBAGE

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    What world do we live in where people idolize Nolan and think he's some master storyteller/director? TDK, Inception and DKR were full of plot holes, conveniences and bloated with unnecessary character and exposition. And maybe I heard it wrong but apparently Nolan doesn't use a second unit director which is really something he should look into, especially for the action and fight scenes. Anyone who thinks the fight scenes in Rises were brutal needs to have their eyes and ears examined. I don't expect quick cut stuff like the Bourne films or over the top silliness like kung fu and wuxia movies, but with a fight between Bats and Bane you expect some bone crunching weight, of which there was none. Even if you don't like The Punisher, there's no denying the fight between Castle and the Russian was drop down brutal. And there was nothing remotely like that in any of Nolan's Batman films. But Nolan is so goddamn smug he refuses to let someone with action sensibilities film and properly choreograph what should be fights that rattle your teeth. There is zero brutality in Rises. Bane shoots someone. Off screen. Bane breaks two necks. Off screen. Matthew Modine dies. Off screen. Bane dies. On screen, but it is so laughably bad it feels likes it happened..... off screen. Talia's death? I don't remember if we see it or not, but it's weak as hell. There is zero, ZERO gravitas to any of the action in this movie. And I find it mind boggling that there are people who praise the action and fighting in Rises but shit all over anything Michael Bay does. As for the plot holes that Choppah asked for (sorry brother, I'm not disparaging you, just addressing your question), Rises might have even more plot holes than Inception and TDK have. Many of them have already been addressed above, so I'll try less a recap and more additional points that were missed. First, Bruce Wayne has just been given news that his knee is completely destroyed yet he rappels easily out of the hospital window. And why the theatrics to see Gordon? He's Bruce Wayne. Billionaire friend of the Commissioner. Can't he just go down a few floors and ask to speak with him? And then there's the whole stupidity of Modine telling his men to stop pursuit of a violent gang who just killed people at the stock exchange and ran off with hostages to pursue Batman instead. No "half of you continue pursuit of these killers and their hostages, the other half follow me", instead it's "to hell with the hostages, I'm sure they'll be OK." And that stupidity continues when the force sends EVERY cop into the sewers. And considering that half the police force of Gotham would have been off duty at the time, but they are no where to be found after the explosion then we can only assume they were called in too. So to get this straight, every police officer in Gotham was pulled in and sent into the sewers. Every single one. And then as has been noted above, when the cops are finally freed, they run headfirst into a wall of men with guns. And here is my biggest beef with Nolan's Batman trilogy. He has turned Gotham's police force into the keystone cops. These guys are incompetent and stupid. They were incompetent and clueless in TDK, and somehow Nolan made them even more so in DKR. And yet, AND YET, we are lead to believe these cops who are so clueless, so useless and so ill run are the same cops who completely cleaned up Gotham under the Dent Act? Nolan is completely incapable of setting up rules in his universe and sticking with them. He bends and shits all over established rules whenever it's convenient to his story. And then of course there's the massive, MASSIVE plot hole of Bane's takeover of Gotham. So let's get this straight. Every way in and out of the city has been blown up save for one bridge. There's a nuclear bomb in the city that is going to go off in six months. And he's released all the violent prisoners into the general population. With all this going on the government doesn't do anything to try to stop him? They don't use drones and satellites to locate the nuke as it's driven around the city (I'm pretty certain the nuke would be giving off a very unique signature and it's not like they were using a lead lined truck or anything) and then blast it and remove the threat? We, the audience, are really asked to believe that a city of seven million people is being held hostage by a madman with a nuke where violent criminals are running around and no doubt raping and killing civilians and the government's only response is to guard the last bridge and make sure no one leaves? The nightly news highlights of people being forced across the frozen river and crashing through the ice to their death wouldn't enrage the country for them to demand action? And to think that a city of seven million people wouldn't rise up is ludicrous. Look what happened on Flight 93. That was just a few dozen Americans who felt like they had nothing left to lose. No fucking way a city of seven million people wouldn't get tired of living in fear and would take arms against their oppressors. Not only would they be tired of living in fear but as there's only one way left in and out of the city, they would run out of food and supplies fast and that desperation would surely set them off. In order to keep resupplying a city of seven million people, that one bridge would have a constant convoy of supply trucks going in and out of Gotham and I don't know about you but I didn't see anything on that bridge except concrete blockades and soldiers. So for Nolan to ask us to take the HUGE leap of faith that neither our own government or hostage citizens wouldn't do ANYTHING to take the city back in six months is without a doubt the most idiotic plot hole in the history of film. But hey, if someone wants to call Bruce Wayne being able to make his way from Asia to Gotham penniless and without ID and infiltrate the city (that obviously Navy Seals couldn't) great storytelling, be my guest. Everyone that knows me will remember my rants on The Dark Knight being the worst movie ever made. When I saw Rises I thought it was a cunt hair above its predecessor. Having seen Rises three times now (I wanted to give it a fair shake) I have concluded it is far worse than TDK because of the utter stupidity that Nolan asks us to swallow. And I'm firmly of the belief that had a different director made the same movie, more people would have been disappointed by it.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST

    ricarleite4, I'm no fan of The Avengers

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    And yes, it was full of plot holes. But when a movie takes itself as seriously as TDKR, I expect better storytelling.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Good to see I'm not the only one who hated TDKR

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    What world do we live in where people idolize Nolan and think he's some master storyteller/director? TDK, Inception and DKR were full of plot holes, conveniences and bloated with unnecessary character and exposition. And maybe I heard it wrong but apparently Nolan doesn't use a second unit director which is really something he should look into, especially for the action and fight scenes. Anyone who thinks the fight scenes in Rises were brutal needs to have their eyes and ears examined. I don't expect quick cut stuff like the Bourne films or over the top silliness like kung fu and wuxia movies, but with a fight between Bats and Bane you expect some bone crunching weight, of which there was none. Even if you don't like The Punisher, there's no denying the fight between Castle and the Russian was drop down brutal. And there was nothing remotely like that in any of Nolan's Batman films. But Nolan is so goddamn smug he refuses to let someone with action sensibilities film and properly choreograph what should be fights that rattle your teeth. There is zero brutality in Rises. Bane shoots someone. Off screen. Bane breaks two necks. Off screen. Matthew Modine dies. Off screen. Bane dies. On screen, but it is so laughably bad it feels likes it happened..... off screen. Talia's death? I don't remember if we see it or not, but it's weak as hell. There is zero, ZERO gravitas to any of the action in this movie. And I find it mind boggling that there are people who praise the action and fighting in Rises but shit all over anything Michael Bay does. As for the plot holes that Choppah asked for (sorry brother, I'm not disparaging you, just addressing your question), Rises might have even more plot holes than Inception and TDK have. Many of them have already been addressed above, so I'll try less a recap and more additional points that were missed. First, Bruce Wayne has just been given news that his knee is completely destroyed yet he rappels easily out of the hospital window. And why the theatrics to see Gordon? He's Bruce Wayne. Billionaire friend of the Commissioner. Can't he just go down a few floors and ask to speak with him? And then there's the whole stupidity of Modine telling his men to stop pursuit of a violent gang who just killed people at the stock exchange and ran off with hostages to pursue Batman instead. No "half of you continue pursuit of these killers and their hostages, the other half follow me", instead it's "to hell with the hostages, I'm sure they'll be OK." And that stupidity continues when the force sends EVERY cop into the sewers. And considering that half the police force of Gotham would have been off duty at the time, but they are no where to be found after the explosion then we can only assume they were called in too. So to get this straight, every police officer in Gotham was pulled in and sent into the sewers. Every single one. And then as has been noted above, when the cops are finally freed, they run headfirst into a wall of men with guns. And here is my biggest beef with Nolan's Batman trilogy. He has turned Gotham's police force into the keystone cops. These guys are incompetent and stupid. They were incompetent and clueless in TDK, and somehow Nolan made them even more so in DKR. And yet, AND YET, we are lead to believe these cops who are so clueless, so useless and so ill run are the same cops who completely cleaned up Gotham under the Dent Act? Nolan is completely incapable of setting up rules in his universe and sticking with them. He bends and shits all over established rules whenever it's convenient to his story. And then of course there's the massive, MASSIVE plot hole of Bane's takeover of Gotham. So let's get this straight. Every way in and out of the city has been blown up save for one bridge. There's a nuclear bomb in the city that is going to go off in six months. And he's released all the violent prisoners into the general population. With all this going on the government doesn't do anything to try to stop him? They don't use drones and satellites to locate the nuke as it's driven around the city (I'm pretty certain the nuke would be giving off a very unique signature and it's not like they were using a lead lined truck or anything) and then blast it and remove the threat? We, the audience, are really asked to believe that a city of seven million people is being held hostage by a madman with a nuke where violent criminals are running around and no doubt raping and killing civilians and the government's only response is to guard the last bridge and make sure no one leaves? The nightly news highlights of people being forced across the frozen river and crashing through the ice to their death wouldn't enrage the country for them to demand action? And to think that a city of seven million people wouldn't rise up is ludicrous. Look what happened on Flight 93. That was just a few dozen Americans who felt like they had nothing left to lose. No fucking way a city of seven million people wouldn't get tired of living in fear and would take arms against their oppressors. Not only would they be tired of living in fear but as there's only one way left in and out of the city, they would run out of food and supplies fast and that desperation would surely set them off. In order to keep resupplying a city of seven million people, that one bridge would have a constant convoy of supply trucks going in and out of Gotham and I don't know about you but I didn't see anything on that bridge except concrete blockades and soldiers. So for Nolan to ask us to take the HUGE leap of faith that neither our own government or hostage citizens wouldn't do ANYTHING to take the city back in six months is without a doubt the most idiotic plot hole in the history of film. But hey, if someone wants to call Bruce Wayne being able to make his way from Asia to Gotham penniless and without ID and infiltrate the city (that obviously Navy Seals couldn't) great storytelling, be my guest. Everyone that knows me will remember my rants on The Dark Knight being the worst movie ever made. When I saw Rises I thought it was a cunt hair above its predecessor. Having seen Rises three times now (I wanted to give it a fair shake) I have concluded it is far worse than TDK because of the utter stupidity that Nolan asks us to swallow. And I'm firmly of the belief that had a different director made the same movie, more people would have been disappointed by it.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Apologies for the double post

    by Hawaiian Organ Donor

    The first one didn't show up when I clicked submit so I assumed I timed out while typing that extended rant.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST

    GODFATHER III is better than TDKR and ROTJ combined

    by deathbird

    Is G3 flawed? Sure. But it also showcases committed performances from Al Pacino, Talia Shire, Andy Garcia and Eli Wallach. Fuck The Dark Knight Flounders and fuck Lucas's Muppet Show.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST

    My Main Problem with TDKR was Bane

    by MrBigStuffx

    Tom Hardy as Bane was awesome, but for almost the entire movie the story mythologized Bane as almost a Godlike terrorist full of unfathomable physical power with a matched intelligence. He wasn't Batman's equal he was his superior. But then the end of the movie they reduced him to a simple man who was deformed by other prisoners? so what did he do just lift weights 9 hours a day and take roids? That and that alone is the reason why the movie isn't perfect. And the genius of Nolan's Batman is that its all basically just one movie and it was focused on Bruce Wayne. And when the Batman showed up you knew it was BOSS time. They are not perfect fanboys movies, but they are damned fine entertainment.

  • Worst movie ever made? Maybe if you've only seen three movies in your entire lifetime (and I'm guessing the first two were Jaws and The Godfather). Apparently you haven't seen anything directed by Uwe Boll, Paul WS Anderson, or Michael Bay.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Harry makes me glad I'm not a comic book guy

    by AlienFanatic

    I was able to enjoy The Dark Knight Rises without getting pissed off. There's something odd that bothers me when someone invest so much energy into a fantasy world that they can't make allowances for ideas that run contrary to the world they've constructed in their mind. Frankly, to address his chief critique, I never felt like the Bruce Wayne character gave up because he'd lost his girlfriend. Instead, I felt like he gave up because even as Batman he couldn't protect anyone in the end and, as the second film explained, they had to blame Harvey Dent's crimes on Batman to keep the mythology of Dent alive so they could use it to clean up Gotham. Do I think TDKR had problems? Yes. I thought many parts were weak, the movie was too long, and that Joseph Gordon Levitt was an emotional black hole in the movie. But it was fun for what it was. Ah well.

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST

    TDKR fight scenes from the script...

    by The_All_Dead

    Bane: (punch) Rahhh!! Batman (punch) Rahhh!! Bane: (punch) Rahhh!! Batman:(punch) Rahhh!! repeat for 10 min. no music... P.S. If you thought those fight scenes were EPIC and BRUTAL all i can say is "HEY,Corky your my main man! HIGH FIVE!!" :::SMACK::: "ALRIGHT!!"

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Harry,your wrong about why he quit!

    by antbwan

    Bruce didn't quit because the death of Rachel...it was that he took the blame for Harvey's murders and his death and went into exile, plus Gotham had a new crime law that lowered crime!

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 7:28 p.m. CST

    @mrbigstuffx

    by antbwan

    Bane was a great and powerful villain, he was like Darth Vader in a certain point of view!

  • Dec. 5, 2012, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Once again...

    by lock67ca

    Harry's just mad because nobody from the site was allowed set visits. Same reason for his ridiculous non-review if Inception. That simple. His laughable hatred for why Bruce quit is just an excuse. He really can't be stupid enough to believe that bullshit he's spewing, when anyone with two eyes and a working brain cell could figure out why he quit.

  • It's pretty silly that the Dent law was able to get rid of all crime in Gotham for such a long period of time. Okay, they getting rid of organized crime/mobs is one thing, but what about small-time street gangs, or serial killers, or rapists, or pickpockets? Even if Batman was an outlaw, he should've gone out every night, for 8 years to patrol the streets to fight street crime, even if that meant having to evade cops.

  • I've worked with special needs children. Let me tell you: Retards Is Stubborn

  • Oops. Plot hole! If they want to paint Harvey as a good guy, then SOMEONE has to be responsible for his death.

  • sorry for yelling but the movie was lacking. the fights were a fucking joke and bale sounded like Little Nicky and spoke waaaaaaay more this time to boot, like nolan was giving us all an F.U.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 3:23 a.m. CST

    sergeantstedenko

    by DC Films

    Good catch, but could that have possibly been Lucius Fox reallocating funds?

  • Harry, it is fine to not like a film but you seem so wrapped up in a film that has not been made yet. Perhaps the next reboot will have Clayface or Manbat, then you will get the film you so clearly "deserve".

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:40 a.m. CST

    HARRY'S 'REAL' REVIEW OF THE DARK KNIGHT RISES

    by scotty lines

    I HATE CHRISTOPHER NOLAN. HE LAUGHED IN MY FACE WHEN I SHOWED HIM MY BATMAN UNDERPANTS WHEN I SHOWED UP ON SET UNANNOUNCED. HE SAID MY UNPRODUCED BATMAN SCRIPT NEEDED MORE WORK WHILE LAUGHING AND POINTING OUT SPELLING ERROARS AND SAID IT DIDN'T LOOK PROFESSIONAL WITH THE GRAVY STAINS ON THE COVER. FUCKING HACK. AND THEN HE DIDN'T INVITE ME TO THE SET AND DIDN'T SEND ME A FULL SCALE TUMBLER AND HE DIDN'T DEDICATE THE MOVIE TO ME EVEN THOUGH HE STOLE MY IDEAS. NOW THIS PISSES ME OFF! NOLAN YOU FUCKING HACK!

  • I understood one thing, perhaps, that Harry did not, watching TDKR: that this was, for better or worse, Nolan's Batman. One thing to understand, though, is that there have been all different kinds of Batman out there, especially in the last few years. The Batman I think Harry wanted was a Batman who took on crimefighting as a permanent career, and thus would go on in the job, rather than retire. The Batman of Nolan's universe, though, basically took the job on as a means to save the city he loved from the threats posed to it. I think somebody else in the comments argued that he quit because he realized that the criminals were escalating to make things worse, which is to to say, folks were becoming like the Joker, raising the stakes and the danger. The Batman of the Dark Knight ends up realizing that what his city needs is the rule of law, that as a vigilante, he's made it into what he never wanted it to be, a street battle between him and a bunch of costumed super criminals with hundreds, if not thousands of collateral casualties. He wanted Batman to be a symbol that brought them hope, not a force for chaos. In the end, Bruce Wayne sacrificed his symbolic hero for the sake of protecting the legacy of what he saw as a real hero, a man who fought crime without wearing a mask, and won. Let Harvey Dent's legacy live, he said, let the White Knight take the pedestal and the Dark Knight take the fall. Unfortunately, fate wasn't prepared to let Bruce Wayne off so easy. Whatever he thought, he could not escape the consequences of how he became Gotham's protector so easily, as just having defeated Ra's al Ghul. Ducard had a daughter and a protege who wanted to finish his job and punish their apostate. And really, the Dark Knight's scapegoating was a lie, and lies like that always come out in the end. But in the meantime, with organized crime in tatters after Batman's relentless beating, Dent's crusade, and the Joker's counterproductive (from a financial standpoint) takeover, Bruce felt he could end the escalation, and bring himself and the City back down to earth. But as I said before, this as an assessment he made short of knowledge of the League of Shadow's resurgence, or the consequences of the lies that backed the rather draconian Dent Act prosecutions. The Dark Knight Rises is about how Batman goes from being just a man, to how he truly becomes a symbol instead, and one whose presence helps inspire the city rather than drag it further into chaos. It's also the story of how Bruce Wayne comes to realize how far he's got to go in order to be finally shed of this monster he created. The ending? I thought it was brilliant, and so did others. I know, and can understand how it doesn't read well for some, but for me, it was Batman's basic happy ending, and the way it was foreshadowed in Alfred's speech to him in that previous scene was marvellous. It's also Selina Kyle's happy ending, finally free of her past. The one guiding principle to Nolan's Batman is that he's more of a real world Batman, one who can age, whose injuries can accumulate, who was specially trained to do what he did in a semi-plausible way, and whose vehicles, armor, and weapons were real world-plausible. This wasn't a Batman who was going to have continuing adventured for a long, long time. This was Batman reimagined so we could imagine him springing from real circumstances. And you know what? Nobody else has to settle for this as THE Batman. This is A Batman, one I'm sure will be influential, and whose trilogy will be studied for quite some time to come.

  • And while I agree that one of the chief things Nolan was going for with these films was realism trying to create a Batman that could exist in the real world, as donor points out there are so many unrealistic even idiotic plot elements that defy logic in TDKR that Nolan's vision of Batman is ultimately a failure.

  • Dec. 6, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST

    creepythinmanlives

    by Baryonyx

    I gotta agree with pretty much everything you wrote.

  • C'mon! Haven't you seen THE PRESTIGE? It's Bruce's twin brother! Oops! Spoiler!

  • Dec. 7, 2012, 4:51 a.m. CST

    the most rudiculous moment in tdkr is......

    by Stan Grossman

    When bane and his boys come pouring out of the stock exchange riding fucking motorcycles. This is more of a glaring plot hole than anything Hawaiian mentioned. Which, btw, weren't exactly what I would term "plot holes". Bad choices to be sure, but not plot holes. Mysteriously pulling a fleet of street bikes out of your ass in the middle of taking over the nyse, that's a plot hole. However, in light of the rest of this films adherence to logic, maybe bane asked gothams finest for a time out so he could have his cronies wheel the bikes in. It's possible. Having said that, Hans zimmer's score kicks mega tons of ass. It's really the only thing that makes the film work.

  • Dec. 7, 2012, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Hawaiian

    by Johnboy40

    Just one or two things that you missed, dude: 1) the bomb. Its directly addressed in the movie, by the special forces soldiers that came in on the relief trucks. They cant track the bomb. they think the trucks with the bomb have lead lined roofs. 2)relief trucks were shown crossing the bridge. with food.(Or did I mention that already?) 3) Its never said that the pit is in Asia. It's just described as one of the more ancient parts of the world. Yes, it was filmed in India, but the building used for Gotham Hospital is 10 minutes from my house. and I dont live in Gotham City. It could easily be, and probably was, somewhere is south or central america. So Bruce Wayne travelling on foot and infilitrating Gotham without ID (he is the Batman, remember) is more plausible when you think like that.. and special forces did infiltrate it. on the relief trucks you never saw. they got strung up on the bridge, remember? 4)yes, its a city of 7 million people. and some might have tried to rise up. but most would have been scared of the unknown number of violent criminals released from prison, along with an unknown number of members of a paramilitary force backing them up. and the large elements of the population that took great pleasure in the whole 99% rise up movement that was the cover for the real plan. 5)Crossing the bridge. There was a madman with a nuke threatening to blow up the city if one person crossed it in either direction, without permission. That would put me off. Just in case he were serious. The government clearly thought he was. they blew the bridge when Blake tried to cross it.

  • Dec. 7, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Here's where I gave up reading this article.

    by comicsniper

    Harry describes Marlena Dietrich as 'you can smell the countless buckets of popcorn served as she sings' I've read this phrase at least 10 times and I honestly don't know what that means. Is that a compliment? Does someone singing well make anybody crave popcorn? I personally think that I'd start munching on popcorn to drown out anybody's singing. Will someone please please PLEASE explain this to me? Is this even English? Maybe we're all wrong and Harry's jerking our chains by using some Burroughs' cut-up technique for writing his articles and burying us with his genius. I give up.

  • Dec. 7, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    SCCTM useless without Joel/'bots

    by Keith

    That is all. Cinematic Titanic riff on the film is pretty damn good too. But a stand-alone blu-ray? Fuck off.

  • Dec. 7, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Morbid thought about TDKR, no offense

    by Autodidact

    I wonder if somewhere down the line that fuckhead shooter guy will get the opportunity to watch TDKR.

  • Dec. 7, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Fear of nuke in DKR?

    by Sinestro

    In America, people are scared to go to the dentist. They have to be sedated!

  • Dec. 7, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed that.

    by Johnboy40

    I'm going to address the other plot holes you mention. 1) Bruce Wayne abseils down the outside of the hospital rather than goes and has his cosy chat through the front door. Right. Someone has shot the commissioner. Bruce Wayne wants a Batchat with him. So, according to you, he goes down, asks to speak to him, walks into the room, puts on a balaclava, right on front of the commissioner, who may well have been wide awake and thinking "why is Bruce Wayne here? and why is he putting on a mask?" or..he puts on the balaclava, walks up to the cops who are no doubt outside the door of the room , and asks to pop in for a chat. with the Police Commissioner who has just been shot by persons unknown. and they let him in for a chat? not very likely either way, is it? 2)The hostages were all safe at that point. There was only Bane and computer guy left. and the same question was asked of Modine by Blake. and he replied he wanted to take down batman cos Gordon couldn't. cos, remember, as far as the police and public were aware, Batman was a multiple murderer & cop killer, who had also taken the DA from a hospital and broken his neck. Who had kidnapped and menaced the Police Commissioner's family. A murderous thug in a mask & Cape. who abused the trust placed in him by the Dent & Gordon. And it was established over the course of the movie that Modine's character was more politician than policeman. a bit of a fucking idiot. 3) Talia's death. on screen. Bane. shot by a pair of high powered cannon. comparing the level of brutality in the R rated Punisher, and the PG-13 TDKR is a wee bit daft too. Nolans alleged frailties as an action director are, in my opinion, based around batman begins. I fully accept this is just my opinion, but the more often I watch Batman begins, the more i feel it was a stylistic choice. to have batman not properly seen, to have some uncertainty as to what was going on. Especially in the scene at the docks. But thats just my opinion. I'm no expert, nor would i ever claim to be. nothing personal against anyone, but i find it highly amusing that 90% of the people on this site complain endlessly that there are too many movies that don't require them to think, and then when they have to put somethought it, can't be bothered and just squeal plotholes.

  • Oh, wait, right, the Harvey Dent law. Meh.

  • Dec. 7, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST

    The Dark Knight Rises was a piece of shit.

    by Jobacca

    You all know it. Now admit it. In 10 years it will rest on the Bat-Scarpheap of history alongside Batman Forever and THE BATMAN. The sooner Warner Bros forgets all about Nolans Batman,the better...

  • Dec. 7, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST

    ScrapHeap,that is...stoopid typeos

    by Jobacca

  • Dec. 7, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Hey Nolan Brown Nosers...answer me this...

    by Jobacca

    How come,in DARK KNIGHT,Two-Face falls like 5 feet into a pile of dirt and dies? And Bruce Wayne,in his heavily protected Bat-Suit,survives the same fall but spends the next 8 years or whatever hobbling around on a cane like an old man? Was the dirt radioactive? Did the Joker hide some heavy steel plates under the dirt? Or was it just more shitty and anti-climatic film-making on Nolans part?

  • Then why does his final play seem like a needlessly complicated math problem from a high-school algebra book? Two boats leave Gotham harbor carrying two bombs,if the people on the first boat are traveling 25 knots per hour and they decide to use their remote control to blow up the other boat,how fast will the other boat have to be traveling for this to make sense and also not be boring as fuck? Be sure to show your work...

  • Dec. 7, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST

    You know what the Justice League movie needs?

    by Jobacca

    A 45 minute monologue from Morgan Freeman where he explains where he got all the copper wire to run the Watchtowers computers. You know...in order to "keep it real".

  • Dec. 8, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST

    dark knight rises was ridicuolously bad

    by pete

    on a phantom menace or prometheus level. seriously. what a crapfeast.... i wanted to switch it off after 60 min.... i cannot even fathom what the creative minds behind that piece of shit were thinking. the dialogue ... the plotholes ... the kindergarden actions scenes .... how can an obviously talented guy like cn fail on such an epic level.... incredible...

  • Dec. 8, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Still waiting on that PRETTY SWEET dvd review

    by MooseMalloy

    Spike Jonze, Will Arnet, Jack Black and a whole bunch of scumbags.

  • Dec. 8, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    I love it when people take The Joker (THE JOKER) literally

    by Mattman

    But, he said he wasn't a man with a plan, and he clearly had a plan!! Could he be... a LI-OORRRRR??

  • Dec. 8, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST

    I'll never understand

    by JTStyler

    what is wrong with some of the people here. Everything is either "worst film ever" "a piece of shit" or "greatest thing since sliced bread". The hyperbole some of you guys throw around is quite embarassing. No attempt at a logical assessment of any film outside the prism of "shit" or "awesome". Thank God, the best directors have the good sense not to listen to us all the time.

  • Dec. 8, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST

    adorable childform

    by Baryonyx

    Really?

  • Dec. 8, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST

    TDKR

    by Baryonyx

    Awful.

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 5:09 a.m. CST

    TDKR and the 8 years of peace/retirement problem....

    by Mosquito March

    So, the ridiculously-effective Dent Act wipes out all crime in Gotham City, and Batman literally has nothing to do for almost a decade. HOW ABOUT YOU GET IN YOUR FUCKING BATPLANE AND GO CLEAN UP DETROIT?

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    TDKR is just as good and flawed as TDK

    by Dr Farragammo

    Both films have too little Batman, both have subplots that take up too much time (in TDK the Harvey Dent storyline is way too bulky. It should have been a set-up for a film where 2 face was the main villain). And both are wayyyyyy too long. And Batman Begins remains the most cohesive of the 3. But Nolan tried something different. His Batman could go off into the sunset, because his batman had Lucius Fox design his toys, and his world couldn't allow for villains like Man-Bat or Killer Croc. It was a version of Batman, because their are no definitive versions. That's what makes him such an enduring character as he is constantly open to interpretation. But that is what made his movies interesting, despite their flaws. Harry fawned over the Avengers which has just as much plot holes as TDKR (the explanation for Banner can turn into the Hulk at will was laughable). Regardless I enjoyed all the films, and Nolan's Bat-films will be hard to top for whoever helms the series next. I wish them luck.

  • Damn you Nolan!

  • Dec. 9, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST

    dr farragammo

    by Baryonyx

    The Avengers has as many plot holes as TDKR? I don't think so.

  • Dec. 10, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Bruce wayne builds nuke underneath Gotham.

    by knowthyself

    No one notices. Really? Um okay. Then he's surprised when a NUKE turns out to have NEGATIVE USES. REALLY BRUCE? You fucking idiot.

  • And no, Harry, you can rest easy - there is no hint that JGL will play Batman in Justice League. Nolanverse really is a separate world from other DC properties. For a guy who watches so many movies you often don't seem to really understand them that well.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 7:33 a.m. CST

    You know what I lov e about Tuesday mornings?

    by DrGogol

    It used to be checking out the DVD column. Now it's coming here to bitch about the lack of a DVD column.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 7:34 a.m. CST

    It wasn't a "nuke" it was a neutron bomb

    by Autodidact

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST

    For the record (RE: TDKR)

    by Mikey Wood

    He didn't quit because of Rachel's death...He qui because he had accomplished what he set out to do and... ...wait...why am I telling you this? IT'S IN THE FUCKING MOVIE! It wasn't a bomb. It was a fusion reactor that someone figured out could be turned INTO a bomb with some rejiggering, which is why he had it on lockdown until they could.. ...wait...why am I telling you this? IT'S IN THE FUCKING MOVIE! Why didn't Bruce just wander upstairs and visit Gordon in the hospital? Well, because it wasn't BRUCE visiting Gordon, it was BATMAN. There are, no doubt, guards posted. Bruce wouldn't have been let in to see him ANYWAY and Bruce was talking to Gordon as Bat... ...wait...why am I telling you this? IT'S IN THE FUCKING MOVIE! How do the police look fed and shaven etc. after being in the sewers? They're being sent supplies on a daily basis and... ...wait...why am I telling you this? IT'S IN THE FUCKING MOVIE! Why didn't the Government do anything to stop Bane? Well, the President says... ...wait...why am I telling you this? IT'S IN THE FUCKING MOVIE! All of the shit you people bitch about IS ALL IN THE FUCKING MOVIE. How did Bruce get back into the city? He's fuckin' BATMAN. THAT'S HOW.

  • Why else would the League of Shadows be so obsessed with only bringing chaos to Gotham? Even Al Qaeda saw the bigger picture and was focused on destroying America, not just New York. Yet another ridiculous plot contrivance of Nolan's Batman films.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    sergeantstedenko

    by Mikey Wood

    ...so going to Hong Kong in THE DARK KNIGHT wasn't "outside of Gotham" enough for yout?

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Another thing...Who said Batman quit being Batman for eight years?

    by Mikey Wood

    They never say that. They say "the last known sighting of Batman". Who's to say he wasn't still fighting crime but keeping to the streets and HELPING the Dent Act become effective? Who's to say he didn't become the urban legend, whispered among criminals, for another year, two years. Even more, before hanging it up. You're forgetting something: In the COMICS Batman has been doing his thing for ten years. At the MOST. And he DID retire once...for a decade (read DARK KNIGHT RETURNS) and Alfred HAS quit. Multiple times. Again, the conclusion is this: All of your complaints and "plot holes" are nonsense.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    mikey, it's not that things don't exist outside Gotham City.

    by SergeantStedenko

    It's that Gotham is the center of the universe in the Nolanverse. Even the Middle East, where Bruce Wayne was kept in prison was only a hop, skip and a jump from Gotham.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Sarge...

    by Mikey Wood

    ..how do you figure that? Because they don't SHOW him making the trip? That's ridiculous.

  • An uneven, bloated blockbuster, no smarter than your average Hollywood pap, no matter how much faux-intellectual exposition is in the script. To say Nolan "reinvented" the superhero movie is to give him way too much credit. He simply shaded his movies with (too much) pathos and (heavy-handed) social commentary, and the resulting movies were substantially more mature than the genre used to allow. But mature doesn't necessarily mean better, it sometimes just means boring. And despite all the self-important posturing, DARK KNIGHT RISES is an OK movie with a wildly uneven script. Can somebody please justify why ALL THREE movies needed to end with Batman racing against a ticking clock to stop a bomb from wiping out Gotham's population? By the third time around, that's just lazy, conventional storytelling.

  • Dec. 11, 2012, 6 p.m. CST

    Hahahaha!

    by DrGogol

    Seriously. Where's the DVD column!? You have an APP now, ferchrissakes!

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Who is happy that they bought this app?

    by Chris Kirby

    He does the column the day it rolls out and is late again already.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Making Harry get the DVD column in on time? There's not an App for that!

    by SergeantStedenko

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Banned from his twitter

    by JOHNPOT

    Thanks for fucking us in the ass after showing a little support and purchasing your shitty app. One week and no DVD column!? Oh and Harry banned me from his twitter for asking questions about the DVD column. How's that for treating your readers.

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST

    johnpot, that sucks! but, as a wiseman once said,

    by SergeantStedenko

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, don't get fooled again!

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST

    WOW! After 1 week Harry is back to being lazy.

    by JMG84

    Amazing. Can't tell you how much time I've wasted coming to this site, only to see the column is not on time. HOW HARD COULD IT BE?!?!

  • Dec. 12, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST

    You see guys.......

    by Chris Kirby

    “Harry Knowles was a simple country boy. You might say a cockeyed optimist, who got himself mixed up in the high stakes game of world diplomacy and international intrigue.”

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST

    does it take an MBA to answer this story problem

    by shiekybaby

    Harry has sold his customers a new application that will enable them to view his DVD release columns via tablet, with some additional archive and search features. Historically, the DVD column does not appear weekly as promised. In order to ensure that his new product is successful, Harry should do the following: A: Explain to his customers that personal problems or other commitments have created delays. B: Assign another resource to assist with the delivery of the column as well as editing. C: Assign priority to the column, blocking off time weekly to give it proper attention. D: Eat something and watch nun porn. E: Both B and C F: Both A and D

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST

    @shiekybaby

    by Chris Kirby

    He needs to realize that those who purchased this app are now customers not just someone who visits his website. He appears to be too dense to get that.

  • TDKR was a Failure of Epic proportions. I don't care what the AFI and Nolan fanboys say. Notice it wasn't nominated for a Golden Globe? Not even as Best Animated Feature or Best Musical or Comedy.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Harry needs a medication review....

    by Ninja Nerd

    ...because he's completely wrong about TKDR. This is an excellent trilogy, period. Folks are raving about the new Man Of Steel trailer; Executive Producer, Christopher Nolan. Person Of Interest...very good TV show; Jonathan Nolan ( who never, ever talks to his brother about work ) Executive Producer. No, not going to compare CN to anyone. He's doing his own thing and doing it quite well. And Harry's gushing about Brazil just pisses me off to no end. I fucking SING the soundtrack and became a single father about the same time. Guess what...neither Brazil or any other movie became a template on how to endure the amazing shit the Universe deals out on occasion. Give me a fucking break, fat boy.

  • Dec. 13, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST

    The lack of a timely DVD column

    by DrGogol

    Makes me angry. You know what I would give to have this kind of readership? To get free movies from production companies weekly? To get schwag for my favorite films? And all I have to do is write a few hundred words a week? Geez, Harry. I am jealous of what you have and your squandering of it is reprehensible. Your disregard for the people who love your site and come to read what you have to say about the artform we all love is ugly. What a waste. If I was in charge of sending out freebies, I would pass over your site for a while until you got your ducks in a row.

  • Dec. 15, 2012, 3 a.m. CST

    You are never to be trusted again

    by brenbloom

    I never come on these boards to comment, but you've got me pissed off, Harry. I held off on purchasing the picks and peeks app to see if you would start updating this column in a timely manner. I'm now glad I refrained as you could not be counted on to keep this column running on schedule for more than 2 weeks straight. What a letdown to your readers, but even more so, what a slap in the face to the gentleman who spent his time and effort creating an app for which you refuse to provide new content. Pitiful.

  • Dec. 16, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Sinatra wasn't acting, he WAS a small man, a thug

    by Crimson Dynamo

    Maybe not a killer, but he could have the hell beat out of you, just ask Jackie Mason

  • Dec. 16, 2012, 9:09 p.m. CST

    the problem

    by stevepants

    is that this isn't a review, it's Harrys opinion given like a review. The giveaway???? " This just isn't the Batman movie I wanted."

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