There’s a bit of Diana Rigg as The Queen of Thorns as well:
Season three launches March 31.
Dec. 3, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST
Dec. 3, 2012, 8:07 p.m. CST
by Carmen A
Dec. 3, 2012, 8:08 p.m. CST
Dec. 3, 2012, 8:36 p.m. CST
Dec. 3, 2012, 8:52 p.m. CST
Dec. 3, 2012, 8:53 p.m. CST
Dec. 3, 2012, 8:54 p.m. CST
Dec. 3, 2012, 9:16 p.m. CST
and the Rome circle will be complete.
Dec. 3, 2012, 9:40 p.m. CST
by Joey Stars
I would suggest to people who haven't read the books, just stay off the internet for the next 6 months.
Dec. 3, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST
I was incredibly excited until the part about 3-31-13 came up at the end. Grrr!
Dec. 3, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST
We Are The Fury.
Dec. 3, 2012, 10:25 p.m. CST
I hope by season 7 we can see her boobies. Cause I'm a dirty old man like that.
Dec. 3, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST
The mindfuck is definitely happening this season. Man, people are in for one hell of a shock. Haha. Took me a week to get back to the books after that deal.
Dec. 3, 2012, 10:37 p.m. CST
she has a fire in her lap.
Dec. 3, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST
without giving any spoilers can someone tell me whether the big shocks and twists will happen this season?...or do most of them happen in the 2nd half of the book (meaning next season on HBO)?
Dec. 3, 2012, 10:57 p.m. CST
by Mr Lucas
He looks like Ciaran Hinds in furs. Pretty much as I'd imagined. Anyway, always nice to see new GoT stuff. read ahead this time, so my enjoyment wouldn't be ruined by those selfish pricks who post spoilers.
Dec. 3, 2012, 11:05 p.m. CST
Are gonna kick all kinds of ass...also his major fight scene with (I won't say) and it's aftermath will show the power of The Lord of Light...not to mention that crazy twist that will end season 4...cannot wait
Dec. 3, 2012, 11:08 p.m. CST
The last half of book 3 is INSANE. The singular biggest shock of Book 3 will happen this season. But there are several other amazing twists that happen after it and will be saved for season 4.
Dec. 3, 2012, 11:13 p.m. CST
by Toe Jam
I believe Dondarrion merely borrowed it. But the fight you're referring to will indeed be awesome.
Dec. 3, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST
The one we see a few frames of in this video
Dec. 3, 2012, 11:20 p.m. CST
by Toe Jam
I think most of you are overstating the shock value of it, though. It's fucked up, but not THAT fucked up. (I'd go into detail, but don't want to spoil it for anyone.) I actually found Dany's storyline the most interesting in "Storm of Swords." Her ... interactions ... with the slavers will be fucking epic if the show puts the proper amount of time and money into it.
Dec. 3, 2012, 11:24 p.m. CST
by Toe Jam
I think I'll enjoy this season more if I don't.
Dec. 3, 2012, 11:25 p.m. CST
I too had the RW spoiled a while back which is why I decided to buy the books to keep that shit from happening...halfway through Feast For Crows now so I should have time to be completely caught up before the new year...I agree it's not crazy shocking but it's still a game changer
Dec. 3, 2012, 11:28 p.m. CST
I did not see that happening and was completely surprised when I read it...so many great moments coming up...and yeah Dany is gonna have her best moment this season...Unsullied are gonna be great
Dec. 3, 2012, 11:31 p.m. CST
Really like the casting choices in this show
Dec. 4, 2012, 1:24 a.m. CST
Is kind of over blown. I've heard fans of the series talking it about it for ages, and most of us already know what's going to happen as it's been spoiled a million times in talkbacks here and beyond. I imagine back in the day reading the books it must have been something else, but considering I saw a guy at another message board with the user name "GoogleRedWedding," it's hard to imagine there will be any but a small minority that don't already know it's coming. For those who don't, you will basically need to avoid the internet and probably people at work until after it airs and that just isn't realistic.
Dec. 4, 2012, 4:07 a.m. CST
That is inspired casting that is. Still not sold on Ciaran Hinds as Mance but he's such a good actor that he will probably nail it anyway.
Dec. 4, 2012, 5:14 a.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
I'm sure he'll be fine as Mance, but I just always pictured someone a bit more spry and rascally Huge shame McNulty turned it down, he would have been perfect. Always thought Desmond from LOST, or Billy Connelly would have been interesting Mances also. Like I said, Hinds will do fine, I just always pictured him for Victorian
Dec. 4, 2012, 6:02 a.m. CST
much bigger when you're in the midst of reading. Hearing it as a spoiler on the internet doesn't have near the gravitas as reading it. After Ned, theres a natural conclusion to the question "so wait...who is the primary protagonist?". After the Red Wedding it's more like "Fuck it...I'm just along for the ride!" because you realize that the biggest mystery in this book series full of mysteries is "WHO IS THE MAIN FUCKING CHARACTER?"
Dec. 4, 2012, 6:13 a.m. CST
...it's just people don't want to believe it. It's Danny, it always has been and in the end she will be the big winner. A side arguement could be made for Jon but I guess we have to wait to see if he died in the last book or not lolz.
Dec. 4, 2012, 6:25 a.m. CST
And some at work had suggested that I read them, but I had not had the chance. When the series was announced, I was interested what HBO would do, but assumed the TV format would kill the scope and detail of the books. It turns out the producers and HBO have put together an excellent series... Far better than I ever imagined. I like that that left the adult themes intact. It is so satisfying when a studio and creative team understands the propery that they are working with. I wish more film surdios would use GoT as a template on how to handle an adaptation when trying to move a property from lit or comics to film.
Dec. 4, 2012, 6:33 a.m. CST
by Michael Morning
Tried to watch this series when it first came out. GOD it was boring...and pretentious...and did I mention BORING?!?!</p> <p> They tried to throw out all this mythology to tease you into believing this was something different...and then produce a show that's little different from SPARTACUS or any of a half dozen other medieval-themed shows with a little underwhelming T&A tossed in for shock value. Please.
Dec. 4, 2012, 6:39 a.m. CST
Sounds fair to me.
Dec. 4, 2012, 6:49 a.m. CST
by Michael Morning
Yes, that's fair. How many seasons does one have to watch to judge a series? If it doesn't grab me, I'm not going to keep at it. I found it boring from the outset. They promised a mythology that made this world different from England, France, Rome, etc. Instead we got the same political maneuvering, actors strutting around spouting an English accent and little else. Sorry, but that's the case. Nothing new, just more of the same with a slightly different twist.
Dec. 4, 2012, 7:19 a.m. CST
Be gone with ya.
Dec. 4, 2012, 7:24 a.m. CST
I'm thinking both jon and danny are the central characters. They'll somehow end up together. As I'm writing this, I'm hoping it isn't true. I would love for the series to end with the walkers just fucking everyone up to extinction.
Dec. 4, 2012, 7:28 a.m. CST
I love this show, and while I actually saw last season why some fans have been disappointed with how the show does some things from the books. I'm fired up beyond measure for this season! For Jon Snow's story alone I'm pumped.
Dec. 4, 2012, 7:29 a.m. CST
Like the books, the series thus far has been a masterpiece, I expect season 3 to be even better.
Dec. 4, 2012, 8:06 a.m. CST
Don't get me wrong, I hope that's not the case, and the problem isn't quality, it's cohesion. S2 was high on quality, low on having everything come together, make sense, and have clarity of narrative. It just wasn't there. If I hadn't read the books, I'm afraid I'd feel very, very lost in the wildnerness, and I have friends (not my smartest friends, mind you, but friends) who quit watching after LOVING season 1 because it was too hard to follow. S2 introduced too many characters in forgettable ways, most notable Stannis Baratheon. Most of the people I know who watch but don't read still couldn't remember his name by the end of the season. He was thrown into the middle of the first episode, and his trajectory was muddled the entire season until Blackwater. He is, at the least, one of the top-tier characters in terms of importance, and he felt like a forgettable side-character much of the season. At the rate this show needs to continue introducing new characters, locations, and storylines....I worry, is all. The average person won't hold out. Even my mother, who watched all of LOST and was shockingly in tune with the story for a 60 year old woman, is having trouble with this one. What it comes down to is this, episodes are 55 minutes, and only ten per season. With the amount of characters necessary to cover, each episode basically has one scene with each character that INCHES things along for each person at a time. That started in S1 and got worse in 2. The other way is to have more focused episodes, but then you're splitting the season up basically, and each set of characters is getting more focused time, but less per episode, which is probably a better route, but has its own problems (characters being wholly absent from episodes feels strange) Basically this went way longer than I expected...I'm pumped for S3, love the show, blah blah blah. I'm just concerned the wheels might come off the wagon in the next season or 2. LIGHT SPOILERS FROM HERE ON: Oh, and all these people tlaking about the "rw" and the "wedding" like they are being cryptic and not spoiling things by using these terms is being a fuckhead and should stop. just don't talk about it. why do people have to say "oh man just wait for the CRAZY THING I can't tell yo about!?!!!" It's juvenile. Shut up schoolboys. Contain yourselves. You're ruining shit for other people.
Dec. 4, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST
As a book reader I tried to map out what the episodes of S3 will be like, and it's almost impossible to screw up. S4 will be slow at first, like S1. But the second half of S4 will be fantastic. I don't understand how S5 will work at all, that might be the beginning of the end.
Dec. 4, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST
...and what a certain promise has to do with him AND her tee hee hee.
Dec. 4, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST
How else can we talk about big events without being cryptic? Should we just blatantly spoil everything for non book readers? Some of us who have read the books are really interested to see how these big scenes turn out in the show...so until harry impliments spoiler markups we can use in the talkbacks our only option is to be cryptic...yes red wedding...ooooo ok so there is a wedding and some blood might be shed...there are like 5 weddings in book 3 so unless you google it you have no idea which it is or even who it involves...so like I said before...relax...and harry herc or whoever...time to bring your talkbacks up to date...not being able to quote or hide spoilers is ridiculous
Dec. 4, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST
The way Stannis was handled left a lot to be desired. Especially having him dash up walls alone during the raid. It also didn't help that they made him come off as a comic level villain. Ominous music, dark look, etc. It was like they needed to have someone everyone could root against during the battle. The problem of course is that to many of the readers, like myself, Stannis is our favorite character and we see him as the hero. The show has made some interesting changes to his character to make him more of a villain and I certainly don't like that. Now if the early rumors from TWoW are correct and he does become the Night's King so be it, but still this feels forced this early. I would also say, as others have, this season and next season should be grand, but then what? Books 4 and 5, even amongst the die hard fans, are universally thought to be rubbish. I'll make a prediction for when you know the show is going under. When viewers start asking the same question the book readers have been asking for years, aka when will Danny ever get to King's Landing, you know they will have lost patience and things are going to get bad. To your point about the Red Wedding, everyone knows at this point, who is left that doesn’t? If they are on the internet anywhere they are going to see it. There is just no way to keep those kind of things secret anymore, let alone the spoiler trolls that have been waiting for this season with great anticipation just for that. I assure you they will be waiting in these talkbacks to pick off any “unsullied” lolz. The series also could suffer from Dark Tower syndrome. We still don't know the ending and if that's botched, as it very well could be, I wouldn't look for much support from HBO going forward.
Dec. 4, 2012, 9:37 a.m. CST
After watching the first two seasons and loving everything I saw. My friends told me that I have to read the books, and said nothing else. I am so glad that I did because I would have been pissed off if I looked at a talkback and read what I have been reading right now, it would have ruined the whole experience. Like other guys have been saying, if you do not want to know what happens this season, do not read another talkback until the season is over. On the other hand, just read the books. I knew nothing going into the third book and was better off for it. You will not regret it. Dam internet spoils everything.
Dec. 4, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST
A lot of people were annoyed that they didn't meet their expectations. (Mainly the fourth, and mainly because it lacked Tyrion/Dany/Jon(mostly) etc..) They introduce a lot of new characters who some found boring because they weren't connected to them yet. Dance With Dragons is probably the best of the books so far. Read them again.
Dec. 4, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST
No, they are rubbish. I don't need to read them again nor does anyoen else lolz. They are universally panned here, Westeroes, Amazon etc. Obviously they have a few fans but I would defy anyone to put books 4-5 over 1-3 or 6. They are the absolute worst of the series and incredibly boring, something the show is already having to deal with, hence the shoe horned sex scenes that aren't present in the book. I guess you could film part 1 of book 4 and part 1 of book 5 as season 5, but by then how many people do you think are watching. Do you really think this show is going to make it full term? That's basically saying that the show is better than Sopranos, Wire, etc. I would guess after season 4, they are going to make some decisions to severely edit alot of non sense out and make books 4-5 season 5. It will be the worst season but still that sets up season 6 as TWOW and season 7 a ADoS. A nice way to wrap up the series. I fear we stall it the middle and I don't want to be denied things from TWoW like the battle of the ice, Stannis as Night's King, Davos fate, and to see what reinforcements Stannis is going to be able to buy since the gold company is already purchased. I must say the early release of the TWoW chapters does make me believe the next book at least is going to be very strong. Stannis luring Roose and his men onto a frozen lake only to see them go through the ice, how is that not going to be great?
Dec. 4, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST
George R.R. Martin said he was originally going to do a time skip but changed his mind and then the book got so big he split it between A feast for crows and a dance with dragons. I think season 3 may start to radically differ from the books and I'm hoping we'll get more focased episodes like blackwater.
Dec. 4, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST
Book sucks for me b/c there's no Tyrion, Dany, or Jon Snow...they will almost certainly need to blend Feast for Crows & Dance w/ Dragons into the HBO series. Would be hard to explain 3 of the most popular / compelling characters just taking a break for a whole season...
Dec. 4, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST
I'm not the only one who thinks so http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_dance_with_dragons#Reception
Dec. 4, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST
Dec. 4, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST
And Grrm has even hinted at this, there are to many loose threads that have to be solved immediately in TWoW. Jon, Stannis, Davos, etc. could have all wrapped up in a few more chapters making book 5 epic. Now you are going to have to have the real book 5 ending in the first few chapters of TWoW, then things will most likely slow down until Stannis sacrifices himself against the others and becomes the Night's King as many expect to happen.
Dec. 4, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST
Anyway I hope things don't slow down too in TWoW. He needs to finish this series already.
Dec. 4, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST
I whole-heartedly disagree with anyone who says books 4 and 5 aren't good. They aren't storm of swords good, but when you have 5 books and 3 are incredible while the other two are slightly less incredible, its really hard to complain.
Dec. 4, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST
Her story is still far too detached from everything else (Tyrion should help this a lot soon) but overall, she just pisses me off. I don't really understand how she can be anyones favorite character. She's a very silly, selfish little girl most of the time, and I care less and less about the cities she visits and conquers. I know its part of her journey, and I'm not saying I've hated reading it, but when I look back her story is by far the one that interests me the least after books 1 and 2. I enjoyed reading Barristan Selmys chapters in book 5 (or was it 4?) very very much though, so that helped.
Dec. 4, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST
...that they'll condense and combine "A Feast for Crows" and "A Dance With Dragons", which will make it interesting viewing for those of us who have read the books - to see what they change, how things play out sequentially between the two books, etc.
Dec. 4, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST
Thoros used to use wildfire before the dragons were born, now he can really do it. In the battle against the mummers at the sept Arya mentions that both Thoros and Dondarrion are using flaming swords.
Dec. 4, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST
I always strongly wished we would get to spend some more time with him and the brotherhood without banners in the books. The one scene with them and Catelyn was friggin awesome.
Dec. 4, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST
I'm def not as granular in this series as I am w/ other ones - What'd I miss? I thought the Night's King was an early Lord Commander of the NW who hooked up w/ a female Other, and who was basically looked at as a figure of infamy down the ages... ?
Dec. 4, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST
I mean I understand it, but has there been acutal hints that hes going to turn that hardcore? I can't recall any. And it certainly goes against any theory that Stannis is, ostensibly, the hero of the series. I'm still staunchly with house Baratheon until I really see come conclusive evidence that I shouldn't be. I just like Stannis. Not he's my best friend and a funny guy I like him like. More, he's the only person here who I can fucking trust, if he says something, he's probably gonna do it like.
Dec. 4, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Dec. 4, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST
That's about as close to a happy ending as this shit could possibly get, and that has no place in this story. It should end as it existed...complex.
Dec. 4, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST
I think the show's HoTU actually showed us the end. "Snow" in the ruined Throne room with Dany coming close but not "getting there". The show runners have said that they do know how it all ends.
Dec. 4, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST
If your remember the prophecy that Danny woudl face a blue eyed king with no shadow...that will be Stannis. The others will eventually need another Night's King as a leadership figure. As with the PwwP and other prophecies that seem to be repeating, this will as well. We've been talking about at Westeroes for years and it's just as accepted by hardcore fans as R+L=J. I would guess however that Stannis will give his life to defend the kingdom, then to be reanimated. Kind of like a Locust of Borg thing. he will lead the army that Danny will eventually face in the climax. It also gives her a chance to defeat a Baratheon bringing everything full circle. I woudl also ask you to analyze how the show creators are changing Stannis's character, especially the last scene from last season with him gazing into the fire. Crow, I woudl love for Stannis, the paper Dragon, hell even Varys to get the throne, but ti will never happen. This is Danny's story, she will get the throne. Jon runs the wall, Rickon in Winterfell. I know, I hate it too, but it will happen, you know this to be true. GRRM will never kill Danny. She is absolutely safe. This plays into what I was talking about earlier. Danny has become the nemesis to many who love this series, her ultimate victory could very well polarize the fan base, and see a lot of people revolt.
Dec. 4, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST
Only thing I didn't understand...R+L=J? If its something you can't type outright because its spoilery for others, then don't. But I don't know what means.
Dec. 4, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST
I've never seen it shorthanded that way before.
Dec. 4, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST
killing Dany. I don't know why she would be the sacred cow. Now it would probably be in some fantastic (self sacrificing) fashion but I don't think she's the "winner" of the Iron Throne. The Kingdom will most likely be in ruins when all is said and done.
Dec. 4, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST
by Mr. Voodoo Potato Head
This one will win ALL the awards. I'm glad they're splitting book 3 into 2 seasons.
Dec. 4, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST
Bran, Daenerys, Tyrion, Arya, Sansa. None of these will ever die, I'm 100% sure of that. Everything about them screams 'main characters' to me because their arcs involve more growth than all the others. Everyone else? Total fair game for the chop.
Dec. 4, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST
Dany won't win. The prophecy said she'd know three treasons. The last one will kill her.
Dec. 4, 2012, 5:31 p.m. CST
Also Stannis probably will be/has been killed by Ramsey. I don't get why Ramsey would lie about his death to Jon Snow. A) if Stannis was still a threat Ramsey couldn't very well march on the wall and B) Jon would find out eventually that Stannis was still alive. It is an interesting theory though. Sucks we have to wait so long to find out what happens.
Dec. 4, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST
Preparing for battle he is.
Dec. 4, 2012, 6:01 p.m. CST
(The chronology, as usual, is tricky. This chapter will be found eventually at the beginning of WINDS, but as you will be able to tell from context, it actually takes place before some of the chapters at the end of DANCE).
Dec. 4, 2012, 6:01 p.m. CST
Dec. 4, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST
I'm saying after dealing with Ramsey, Roose, and the rest of the gang at the battle of the frozen lake, he will finally be ready, weather permitting, to march to meet his Army purchased thanks to the Iron Bank. He will unite with them, and then as he is on the verge, once again, of taking the throne, the Others will make there move. Stannis will die in a heroic manner battling the Others. After his death at their hands, he will be re animated as the new Night's King and command their army south to meet Danny's army. As has been stated, the scene in the last episode, not from the books by the way, was very telling and most likely feed to the writers by GRRM. It would merit discussion of what will happen to him otherwise? As much as I would love to see him gain the throne, no way it happens. I guess he could end up on the wall and Jon could end up back at Winterfell but that feels to contrived, to easy. An undead frozen ghoul Stannis commanding a horde of undead...hard to turn down.
Dec. 4, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST
just finished rereading last night and been doing a bunch of research for theories and saw the NK one I don't think it will happen and kinda hope it doesn't since he is my fave char (thanks to his utter badassness and a bunch of tbera praising him) BUT that's the kinda shit I want to happen since its so unpredictable (kinda) and it will make shit even realer than it already has been. with the last cliffhanger regarding the regent, mking stannis the night king would make twow batshit crazy
Dec. 4, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST
I had the luxury of reading 4 immediately after 3 and then right into 5. Because of that, I didn't get the slap in the face that was the wait time or the lack of characters people wanted to read about. I absolutely loved the expansion that book 4 brought. That being said, they will be off their fucking rocker if they structure each of those books as its own season. It will alienate their audience. I can't imagine they would be stupid enough to do that.
Dec. 4, 2012, 7:45 p.m. CST
So don't worry.
Dec. 4, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST
Most favorite show in the entire universe!
Dec. 5, 2012, 7:11 a.m. CST
I always like Hinds in anything his in, but Mance Rayder ? Nooo. GOT usually has Perfect casting.
Dec. 5, 2012, 7:14 a.m. CST
Not till the very end of Dance with Dragons do you get finally get a glimmer of where its heading. Lets hope George has a good physician, cause he does not look to be in the greatest of shape.
Dec. 5, 2012, 7:15 a.m. CST
Dec. 5, 2012, 10:37 a.m. CST
Are the best on Tv in my opinion. Arya, Dany, Catelyn, Sansa, can't wait to see where things go in the new season. Read this funny article about how it's the best collection of women on tv, can't disagree. Good read: http://ahorizontalmyth.wordpress.com/2012/12/04/the-other-women/
Dec. 5, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST
He'd make a great sub-in. He's done a very good job finishing the last books (finale will tell all, though...), and would be a great contender should GRRM's overtaxed heart & arteries not prove up to the task...
Dec. 5, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST
And Martin has said he doesn't want anyone taking over the books if he dies. What's wrong with Hinds as Mance anyway? You can't really judge him based on half a second of screen time.
Dec. 5, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST
Dec. 5, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST
Snow in the throne room in the HotU sequence shows 1 or 2 things- 1. The impending onslaught of the Others from North of the Wall and/or... 2. Jon (Snow) in the throne room. The series is called A Song of Ice and Fire and I'm a firm believer that that means- Ice- Lyanna Stark Fire- Rhaeger Targarayen = Jon Snow So the series is Jon's song or story....
Dec. 5, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST
Not in detail but they know the broad strokes.
Dec. 5, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST
but I hope they haven't axed the red and black cloak from Mance. That was a cool part of his character and told part of the story as to why he left the wall.
Dec. 5, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST
I don't think so. In the books he tells Davos that after the battle the red witch showed him things in the flame. That's all that scene was. Just explaining why he would keep faith with the "fire god" when half his army was just burned to death.
Dec. 6, 2012, 6:11 a.m. CST
by angry kitty
He's got the screen presence necessary for such a prominent character. Fully expecting him to knock it out of the park. Is it March yet?
Dec. 7, 2012, 7:30 a.m. CST
..... I put it down and walk away very, very quickly. Then, I go get laid. As the poet once said: - Where can I learn the Dovah language and the Daedric language too? - In the complete opposite direction of a vagina.