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Last week Michonne joined the prison population, Andrea stuck a knife in the brain of Michael Coleman and Maggie got topless for The Governor.
AMC says of “Made To Suffer”:
Andrea steps up as the people of Woodbury are thrown into uncharted territory. At the prison, a new threat arises.
As the footage below demonstrates, Chad Coleman (Cutty Wise on “The Wire”) this week joins the cast as National Football League vet Tyreese.
The next new episode after Sunday's airs Feb. 10.
9 p.m. Sunday. AMC.
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Dec. 1, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST
So it seems the dead have maybe a one hour window to feast on the recently dead.
by Smerdyakov
Before the lose interest.
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Not what I would thought he'd be. Really bizarre point in the last ep when he asked Maggie if he could sit down.
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Boardwalk and Walking Dead are going to be insane!!! I have watched all 7 walking dead again and could feel the tension even the second time. This season has been so good! TV is better than the movies now
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If you create your own back story for T-Dog, he is by far the most complex character on the show.
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Dec. 1, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST
The Taiwanese trailer, (when you click the yellow box on the first clip) has way more footage (some of it spoiler-y)
by Bricklyne
.....Carl running that prison, LIKE A BOSS!!! ...and Daryl and Rick having a showdown over Merle. Damn it's going to be a good episode.
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Looks like something you play on an Atari 2600.
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C3PO says it in the desert after their pod lands, doesn't he? Or could it be a reference to Henri, the existential cat? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M7ibPk37_U&t=01m09s
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Dec. 1, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST
Tyreese looks like Rampage Jackson when he played B.A. Baracus in the A-Team movie
by Titus05
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Dec. 1, 2012, 7:35 p.m. CST
"Made to Suffer" is Volume 8 of the comic; wraps up prison story
by myster1ous
Since they don't use the comic volume names all that often, I am curious when they do. "Made to Suffer" wraps the prison story up in the comic, so it should be interesting to see if that has any correlation to the story. I would assume they won't be leaving the prison before the end of the season, but it should be a good episode nonetheless!
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I was curious after my last comment: Of the 27 episodes so far, this will be the 3rd to share its name with a comic title: Season 1, Episode 1: Days Gone Bye Season 2, Episode 1: What Lies Ahead Season 3, Episode 8: Made to Suffer I'm sure it doesn't mean anything in particular, but I just thought it was interesting. that is all.
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Dec. 1, 2012, 8:07 p.m. CST
MAJOR SPOILER about The Governor in the Taiwanese TV spot. If you've read the comic, you know. And I'm surprised they
by Karl Hungus
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The yellow box on the first video is the same video as the last one (Sneak Peak #2, where Michonne finds the Gov's secret.. or at least one of them anyways).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fChPKTQuFA8 Yup... LOTS of spoilers. Here we go! (1) Gov gets his eye taken out (2) Rick sees Shane again (3) Darryl and Merle are captured by the Gov's men and Merle is declared a traitor.
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I hope Machonne stabs the Governor in the butt with her sword.
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Dec. 1, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST
I just wonder if there's going to be enough time in one episode to show the assault on Woodbury, introduce Tyrese AND justify Michonne's spoony revenge on the Governor.
by Karl Hungus
Seems like too much for just one episode.
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****SPOILERS BELOW**** So this is copy/pasted from the Taiwanese youtube trailer comments. User TheQuadFeed writes: Basically Michonne stabs the Govener in his eye with a broken piece of glass. Maggie and Glenn remain captured. A girl from Tyrese's grop dies from a bite. And sadly, the cliffhanger for the next half is Daryl and Merle and captured by the Governer and they declare Merle a traitor and that the two of them are to be executed.
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Dec. 1, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST
bloody_shit_on_my_dick, I'd take that spoiler with a massive grain of salt....
by Bricklyne
Especially considering the fact that you can clearly see Glenn behind Rick in the trailer above as he's shooting (presumably as they are shooting their way out of the prison) at some Woodbury guys (presumably on the wall). Unless Glenn and Maggie somehow get recaptured after that.
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Dec. 1, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST
I meant shooting their way out of Woodbury, obviously, not the prison.
by Bricklyne
But they were imprisoned at Woodbury hence the confusion.
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The spoiler could potentially be complete BS. Just thought I'd throw it out there for those who may be interested. BTW, whatever happened to the TB'er who posted the spoiler's in the previous weeks talkback? His spoilers were always correct.
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The talkbacker's name is octoburn, and he did not disappoint. EXTREME spoilers were posted on Nov. 27th by him, so go back and read at your own risk. He's even got spoilers for the second half of the season posted. So the spoilers I reposted were only half right. Spoiler Alert... Glenn and Maggie do get rescued. Youtube guy was wrong.
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Don't they have enough 'real' dead people to deal with?
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I mean I know why they do it, it's just annoying. It's not like we're not going to tune in if there's no cliffhanger. At least Dexter doesn't pull that shit for the most part.
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blame it on JR
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Watch it!
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I'm not calling it that, I've never seen it. That's just the way it comes off at first glance. At least Anna Paquin gets naked in True Blood. Moonlight, that was a cool vampire show but it got canceled right before the big vampire craze. They said they were sorry they canceled it.
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...are just about the only reason to own a TV right now. Well, that, and Doctor Who. But really, Netflix can give you a fix of all of them. And I agree with Mugato...I HATE HATE HATE season cliffhangers. Another reason to wait for a couple of seasons to accrue on Netflix, watch it later.
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I'm as big a horror guy as there is (take my word for it), but man, this show is so goddamn uninteresting with some of the most unlikable, vanilla characters I've ever seen. Dexter and Boardwalk Empire dominate this show.
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Uhhh, guessing you didn't see last season of Dexter? That was about as big of a cliffhanger as possible.
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I just started watching recently on Netflix or DVD and burned through them all up to present and it's the best way to watch a show. Now that I'm caught up I have to wait a week each time like everyone else. Just started Supernatural too but that's already syndicated. /doesn't normally wath a lot of TV, obviously
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Please do not kill him off or I will be pretty upset.
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Dec. 2, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST
Daryl's the only character I'd be pissed off if they killed
by Mugato5150
and of course topless Maggie. *come out with your hands up*
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Of course Deb busting Dexter was a cliffhanger. But that was one season. For the most part they're pretty self-contained.
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Just discovered their existence and they sound rather interesting.
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I've read only the first one - Hater - and it was interesting. I found it somewhat depressing, which is why I decided not to read the other two (Dog's Blood and Us vs. Them). I think Guillermo DelToro is producing the film version of the first book, can't remember the director though.
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Just downloaded the series. Looks interesting. Gonna start reading in January.
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walking dead bikini calender here http://goo.gl/Cu81Y last weeks kfc walking dead snafu http://goo.gl/3PtDp
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They're out there on the interwebs if you want to take a look at them.
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Dec. 2, 2012, 5 p.m. CST
looking forward to the talking dead with Damon Lindelof & Robert Kirkman
by rakesh patel
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Rick sees the person who shoots Oscar as Shane and blows him away. And you know what? Everybody hating it if they killed Daryl is why they will eventually do it. Everyone complains because the people they are killing off are not emotionally impacting. Billy and Hershel's daughter in last season's finale. T-Dogg, Lori and Oscar this year. Guess what? Taking out an interesting character IS emotionally impactful. Not saying they will anytime soon. Once Michonne and Tyreese are fleshed out on the show, I'd give Daryl a season and a half or so. Speaking of TDogg, he went out like a BEAST. I hate that they haven't had Carol telling anyone about what he did orhaving a quietmoment by herself over his grave or something.
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But I dig the hints of gray in Rick's beard since Lori died. At least Idon't remember it being there before that.
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Pretty cool stuff. I just got into some "indie" books myself. I think his book is still considered indie? Maybe not anymore, since he's gotten so much attention lately. He was originally self-published, though. Like the "Wool" guy, Hugh Howey. Now his book has been optioned by Ridley Scott. But if you like indie horror you need to check out "Psycho Save Us." "Progeny" and "Who is Audrey Wickersham?" too. Have to be careful, though, with indie books. Don't know what you're getting always, unless they're recommendations by someone I trust. The Hater Trilogy, though, is authentic badass. It should be higher on the "Best Indie Horror Books" on Goodreads.
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He's walking with a young black girl who appears to be his daughter and a young guy who I'd assume is her boyfriend, just like in the comics. It'll be interesting to see if they follow the same storyline those two had. Disturbing, but interesting.
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Dec. 2, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST
@ Fadedlinevigil + A Defense of Season 2, all in one post!
by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers
I can't take your word on it that your a big horror buff, because if you claim to be that and say that Walking Dead has vanilla uninteresting characters, then you're full of shit. Very few peices of horror fiction feature actual interesting characters that aren't two dimensional -- by comparision to most of the shit we get, Walking Dead's characters are top notch. Plus, it's not like they can actually do something interesting with these characters, concidering how much bitching the online community spews out when it's not non stop "Kill, kill, kill"; people complain endlessly about the Second Season and how the characters "Talked about their feelings", as if that's a bad thing. God forbid that we get characters that actually re-act to situations and show emotion. I know most of you people think that a zombie apocalypse would be fun, but let's get real, if you were in this exact situation, I doubt that 98% of you would be emotionless about loosing family and friends. The first season featured the group only a month after the Zombie Apocalypse began, and at first, they still had hope that the world would right itself again... these are people who were ripped away from our everyday, comfortable lifestyles and thrown into a world of death and choas... At the end of the first season, they discovered the truth that there is no hope for the future. In the second season, these characters were forced to accept their situation, the reality of the world they now live in and come to terms with what that reality entails. The second season, which is nowhere near as slow paced as half of you claim, is purley about the characters evolving; Rick, Shane, Daryl, Andrea, Glen, Carl,and Hershel have the most specific arcs of developing characters via the reality of their situation. Dale even see's this and loses his attempts to keep the groups humanity in tact. (The opposite spectrum of Dale and Shane and how it tears at Rick has some very interesting moments.) Hell, even Lori has some good character moments of being divded by her family, her mistake and her appriciation for what Shane has done for the group... of course, on the surface it seems just like a Maury Special of Baby Momma Drama, but it's not. I think she's a pretty mis-understood character in the series. However, I've seen this type of arguement before on the internet, since a lot of people want the un-realistic group of characters who are widley intelligent, don't make mistakes (Which every single person on the planet does) and know how to act and re-act, calmly, in every situation. You all want the pure characters who are so obviously unbelievable and un-human it's uncanny. Rick and Lori's discussion about weather or not Carl should live or die in the 2nd episode of 2nd season was a powerful conversation that made perfect sense in the context of their acceptance that there's no hope. It makes absolute sense, as does Rick's insistance of finding Sophia and facing his first big failure as the groups leader when she emerges from the barn. The 2nd season should also get a special nod of taking bad ass hick Daryl away from his emotionless baby brother of Merle status and giving him a heart -- his refusal to give up onthe search for Sophia defined him. Season 2 haters can suck it.
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Dec. 2, 2012, 8:19 p.m. CST
okay im calling bullshit on Maggie not blowing Merle's redneck face off the second she had the chance.
by dahveed1972
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Dec. 2, 2012, 8:19 p.m. CST
no logical explanation. the rest has been pure awesomeness though. ok sorry for the minor spoiler.
by dahveed1972
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Dec. 2, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST
Too many black people on the show? Walking Dead writers will fix that.
by A. Garcia
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Dec. 2, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST
Oh Hell Fucking Yeah for Jon Bernthal Cameo!!!!
by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers
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Dec. 2, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST
Ridiculous: apparently this show really can only handle one black character at a time
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
Introduce Oscar? Kill T-Dogg. Introduce Tyrese? Kill Oscar.
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Yep.
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You seem to be forgetting Michonne and the guy who's with the Gov, who's also black. I don't see where Race is an issue here. But have at it.
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Dec. 2, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST
I think Shane was supposed to walk into that room too. But that would be too much.
by A. Garcia
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Dec. 2, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST
Skin Color only matters to those who need something to bitch about.
by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers
Get over it, ya bunch of racist fucks. A person is a person and a character is a character without skin color making a difference.
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Dec. 2, 2012, 8:53 p.m. CST
Oscar could have easily been a white character... there was nothiing defined him by his skin color, they just cast a black guy... know why? because a person is a person!
by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers
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Dec. 2, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST
It's not like they're going to kill off a major character every few episodes , and someone needed to die in the invasion of Woodbury, so it had to be a character who wasn't very important. Big Whoop.
by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers
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Dec. 2, 2012, 9:02 p.m. CST
stop ranting moron. no one cares. on-topic: i liked much of the ep, but the whole Andrea subplot is gonna be a drag.
by dahveed1972
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And no one cares about bullshit racism claims either. I'll rant all I want, Cunt. Stop me.
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Dec. 2, 2012, 9:09 p.m. CST
AMC producing spin-off series with all black cast
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
THE EXPENDABLES
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Dec. 2, 2012, 9:15 p.m. CST
I agree.. the black man swapping is getting a little ridiculous
by SlickyVonBoner
T-Dogg was on the show for 2 seasons and had the most lines in his last episode. Hell sometimes you even forgot he was around. This new prison-guy, I kinda liked him, he was the reasonable voice amongst the prisoners.. why did they have to kill him off? Let's hope Tyrese sticks around for more than just to be another red shirt. Sigh, at least they killed off that annoying Lori.
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Let's not forget about Michonne, who will stick around for a while. And I'd imagine Tyreese will be around for a while too, since he's a major comic book character whose storyline was fucked up for the show. Daryl will probably bite the dust by actual season finale and Tyreese will be Rick's new right hand man. not like it matters anyway, since more white people bite the dust then other nationalities in this show. So I ask you people, why does a character's skin color even matter? a character is a character, a person is a person and a major character will die periodically for shock value. You can't really expect no casualties for the invasion/rescue mission, and especially a major chaaracter like Rick, Daryl, Glen, Maggie or Michonne... and it's not like Oscar was all that interesting anyway.
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Dec. 2, 2012, 9:34 p.m. CST
Breaking News: 2 Black Men Seen on "Walking Dead" Set at Once!!!
by Linguo_IS_Dead
Thankfully, the Governor had one shot before they could meet.
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It's like WIFE SWAP only...different.
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I had a chance to talk to Jon Bernthal this weekend at comic-con in NOLA. The guy seemed genuine and appreciative to his fans. I mentioned to him that I hoped they worked him back in through some flashbacks and he put his finger to his mouth. Classy. The most awesome guy I also talked to while I was there was also Gorgio Tsoukalos, dude is a cool as hell with smoking girl that can't be more than 22 years old. Must be the aliens....
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If anything, they SAVED a black man today!!!
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Just finished watching the entire episode and damn it ws o damn good. the whole fight with the govnor was cry. Andrea is starting to wake up! An michonne expresion had changed it seemed softer. and more humble. i think she'll be a team player.
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Bernthal, DeMunn, Callies, Singleton, Amy... Kill one of the British actors, you bunch of racists! Oh, it's only "real" racism if it involves different skin pigmentation?
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Dec. 2, 2012, 9:56 p.m. CST
My predictions for next (half)season: *comic spoilers*
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
Everyone who has read the comics is eager to see Tyreese go loco and get locked alone in a zombie infested room and slaughter all the zombies. It seemed that Rick replaced this event in the TV series when he went kill crazy after Lori died. In tonight's episode they set Axel up as sex-crazed (and who could blame him?), and the Axel TV character seems very different from the comics version. I predict that Axel will rape and/or kill Sasha (Tyreese's kin that we met tonight), Tyreese will kill Axel and then go on his kill crazy rampage that all the comic readers know and love. This is a rough substitution for what happened in the comics where one of the inmates was a psychopath and killed two of the children survivors, and later Tyreeses's daughter was killed in a suicide-pact with her boyfriend and Tyreese went off the rails for a while.
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Dec. 2, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST
DEAR AMC AND PRODUCERS OF WALKING DEAD:
by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers
What you SHOULD have done was kill of Darly or Maggie, because they're white and no one would care. (Don't kill Glen though, cause there would be an uproar for killing the only Asain) and please, add more black people to be P.C. Nevermind the fact that more white people have died in this show then black people, asians, indians or any other ethnicity... killing black people is taboo to the viewers, because keeping them alive is very important. Also, please recast Andrew Lincoln with Laurence Fishburn for Rick. Oscar was an excellent character that was refreshing and very significant to the story and comics, because of his skin color. He was not just a generic character that happened to be played by a black man. And if you're going to kill off a black man, please don't introduce a character like Tyreese in the same episode; It's in poor taste. Love, with much Sarcasm, FuckOffChristopherNolanNuthuggers
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And sure wish someone would take that ridiculous hat off of the always irritating Carl.
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Dec. 2, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST
lol it is funny how T-Dog replacement didn't even last that long.
by HollywoodHellraiser
T-Dog was practically giving up his spot for NEW T-Dog and look what happen. I can't begin to understand why they cast T-Dog or NEW T-Dog if they weren' going to give either some development? Tyrese will last only so long ala Shane and Dale. But he's a goner too. Hell they should have brought back Morgan and his kid from the pilot.
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Hardwick just announced that TALKING DEAD will immediately follow new episodes when TWD returns and will be an hour long. So long Walt, Bryan, Mike and Ming!
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...an someone please explain..
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Comic story-wise, we're not even to issue 24. The comics are at around issue 100 (ish) right now.
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Dec. 2, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST
At least COMIC BOOK MEN had a fitting end
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
Appearance by Stan Lee is not shabby for a final episode.
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Dec. 2, 2012, 11:01 p.m. CST
I stand corrected: COMIC BOOK MEN survives!
by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK
During commercial they just announced that COMIC BOOK MEN will return in February, but on Thursday nights.
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Dec. 2, 2012, 11:11 p.m. CST
COMIC BOOK MEN is safe (new ep with Stan "The Man" Lee!) and regarding the black man issue
by Monroville
(1) CBM appears to be pretty safe, with Stan Lee making an appearance at the store. (2) yeah, millimeter thin skin is not "that" big of an issue, as most walker baits are honkies... buuuut, on that note, how can anyone NOT notice how Monty Pythonesque the show is becoming at least in regards to their black leading male characters? Yes, Michonne is on there and will be sticking around for a loooong time. Yes, the gov has his black henchman (who, other than looking like a hairer Oscar hasn't been doing a whole lot), but let's face it: they could have had T-Dog be the one who was shot on the bus, while Oscar stayed back in the prison or made it out with the rest of them. What makes it worse is HOW T-Dog went out: seriously, doesn't anyone in the zombie apocalypse realize that wearing short sleeved shirts is not a good thing? Do people not learn from their experiences? And couldn't Carol or anyone else have said "Hey, T-Dog! Look out behind you!" Or for that matter, when the walkers first made their appearance behind Carl, why couldn't they have all simply done a 180 degree spin and go right back in through the door they came out of? Same thing with Lori's death. I really wish they saved that for the season finale (and better still, have Andrea be the one who winds up shooting her - accidentally of course). There are still some problems (wasting characters by having them do stupid things; killing Lori so quickly and resolving the phone thing so fast, when they could have saved that for next season, plus the ninja zombies that lunge after people walk by them multiple times, or people walking off alone), but even with that said, it does appear that the writers are trying a lot harder to minimize the character stupidity.
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I PRAY she dies a horrible, painfully slow death. She is like the mirror universe version of the comic Andrea and is one stupid, naive bitch. Let's hope the writers start to develop Herschell's 17-year-old daughter to essentially be comic Andrea's replacement (gets knife scar on face; develops sniper skills, grows to be a long running and sympathetic character like Rick and Darryl).
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Bleak, but very good, series. While recommending 'indie' horror books, check out "Dark Harvest" by Norman Partridge, and anything Gregory Lamberson writes.
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...by sticking a sword through the back of the head and out the mouth? Okay, I guess you could assume it nicked or severed the spinal cord along the way, but that's a big if. Looks like splitting the kid's skull or chopping off the whole damned head would've been the smarter bet. Just sayin'.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 12:07 a.m. CST
fuckoffchristophernolannuthuggers must be one of those people who whines "reverse racism" when someone accuses him of being racist (which he probably is)
by Bricklyne
...... it had to be said.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 12:11 a.m. CST
RE: 'You seem to be forgetting Michonne and the guy who's with the Gov, who's also black. '
by Bricklyne
You mean the guy who's never said a single word during his entire run as a wallpaper on the show? But then again that must be how you love your black people to be:- Stay in the background and don't speak unless spoken to, and even then let a white person know first before we decide that you're worth listening to. Isn't it funny how race never ever seems to be an issue to people who've never ever ever been victims of racism or bigotry in their lives?
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Dec. 3, 2012, 12:50 a.m. CST
chaburchak- I'm assuming she stabbed the brain stem which is located right below the skull leading towards the mouth.
by Chris
btw the joke regarding an all-black cast tv show on amc called "the expendables" almost made me spit coffee thru my nose. kudos.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 1:05 a.m. CST
I do agree that if it takes Andrea another eight episodes to realize the Gov is a sadistic psycho, she will be irredeemable in my eyes.
by dahveed1972
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Watch the fuck out. There can be only one of you at a time. and oh my God the stupid ran strong in this episode. where to begin first...it's like a buffet on a cruise ship.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 1:42 a.m. CST
Michonne could have STABBED the Governor instead of tried to choke him...
by TopHat
I call bullshit on that, my friends. And Daryl and Merle could take down enough of those people (with Andrea helping on the sidelines) and make it out of there, easy. ...if they don't, then I'll call bullshit on that as well.
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God fucking damn I cannot stand those Comic Book Men advertisements. That shot of those guys sitting on the floor Indian style made my blood boil. Because GET IT? They're nerds and Stan Lee invented the superheroes.
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Stabbing is too quick you dont get to savor all those little emotions when your choking the life outta someone you see in those final moments who they really are...
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If you thought that - then you are actually the racist. It's okay... many of you are in denial... and will get over your racist attitudes. No. Actually you won't. You are horrible people and will probably burn in hell for your racism. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!
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Dec. 3, 2012, 3:25 a.m. CST
Great ending, love that they shook things up for us fans of the books
by Humie Bubbie
I hate Merle, but I love to hate him. I hope Andrea brightens the fuck up now that she realizes that Rick stormed in there and stops Merle and Darryl from biting it. They can't kill 'em both off in one fell swoop like that. No zombies 'til February? That's just cruel. I hope Game of Thrones starts soon.
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The first half of S3 has been much more enjoyable. There's still some wonky writing, but it's a big improvement over S2. David Morrissey is great. Gurira does well with what she's given. Rooker is always reliable playing a scoundrel. Carol has been made into a real character. Maggie goes topless for an episode (too bad this isn't on pay cable). The Andrea situation, though, could pose a problem in the second half.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 3:46 a.m. CST
Michonne came back, because the Gov put a contract out on her...
by Cinemajerk
She always saw the Govs true colors, but just wanted to leave Woodbury. She only came back to settle the score because he sent Merle & his goons out to kill her! Hellooooo!! Ad perhaps to convince Andrea what a psycho he was. But I'm afraid even after seeing his wall o' heads and zombie daughter...she still has feelings for the Gov. Dumb blonde! Seriously. What's it gonna take? I guess after seeing Daryl and realizing the "terrorists" are actually her friends...she'll have to take sides.
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Cause they showed him running thru the forest in the preview for February's sneak peak at the end of the mid season episode. My guess is Merle sacrifices himself for his bro. They show the Gov walking thru smoke...so I assume Rick and the group come back to Spring Daryl. Can't wait till Feb! ;-)
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As long as white people get all the lines and women and righteous action. And there are always several to root for. Listen, there's nothing unusual going on here. The show creators and writers are white, so they naturally give more humanity to white characters. This is why integration on these staffs is so important--otherwise you end up spending precious time trying to "educate" people about their unconscious, prejudicial choices. If the staffs were all black, they'd give more of the best stuff to black actors. And white readers would suddenly discover that, yep, "race matters." When they're on the losing end.
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I think Merle lives too, there's a line in there where one of the characters says something like *what is HE doing here?*
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I believe when she was choking him she was using the blade's holster, not the actual blade, which had fallen out of reach elsewhere in the room. Also, that was an incredibly brutal fight, holy crap!
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*when the walkers first made their appearance behind Carl, why couldn't they have all simply done a 180 degree spin and go right back in through the door they came out of* Maggie, Laurie, and Carl in fact did go back through the door they came out of.
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He was bitten through his shirt. Though saying that does make me wonder why no one has bothered to start wearing the body armor since T-Dawg donned it briefly (sure would have come in handy for Oscar this go around).
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I'm loving the turnaround from where we were at this point in season 2 <b>Liked</b> Tyreese chopping down zombies like a lumberjack<br> Axel Mistaking Carol for a lesbian<br> The rescue. Good use of smoke bombs!<br> damn good to see hallucination Shane, wasn't expecting that. nice little touch.<br> hallucination Shane RIP dude. Unexpected cameo. nice fucking touch.<br> Glenn Fashioning a weapon out of zombie bones.<br> Ricks integration technique of woodsbury citizen, hardcore, wonder if he was as efficient when he was a police officer<br> Michonne suiting waiting for the governor like a boss. loved the look on her face when she saw the fish tank<br> Carl running the Prison like a boss<br> Michonne execution of Penny.<br> <b>Unintentional Lol</b> The Governor Describing the group as "terrorists"<br> T-Dog V2 death. WE all knew that was coming.<br> <b>Sad</b> I felt sad that the hottie got bitten<br> <b>WTF</b> Andreas eyes throwing daggers at the picture of the governors happy family like a scheming bitch in Dallas.<br> the governors and daughter fuck that is creepy<br> Andrea arguing with the governor about her experience and wanting to fight instead of going door to door. shut the fuck up biatch!<br> Andrea's Face off with Michonne, the women she was looked after by for 6 months. protecting the guy who has a zombie aquarium, a dead walker daughter and now ready to kill Daryl. How stupid is this woman really?<br>
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He has been in Atlanta until recently, when they just wrapped shooting the finale and reshoots for episode 16. I LOLed at the guy on talking dead who said if you combine Merle, Hershel and the Governor, you have a pirate.
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I suppose some of you think black people would have been better represented by staying behind at the prison and being the one who creepily hits on the 17 year old girl? Did anyone ever think those two were in it for the long haul? At least Oscar gets to go out fighting.
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I thought they did a great job with everything in the finale. Really like the fight scenes, Michonne of course, and seeign Glenn continue to grow as a character. Can't wait for the rest of the season and hope Rick doesn't lose his hand to the Governor lolz. Glad to see they have made some changes from the source material.
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I don't think they're setting him up to have Thomas' storyline. That scene was actually very much like comic version of Axel. In the comic, Axel actually spies on Lori and Carol taking a shower. He never does anything detrimental to the group though. I understand that they're changing storylines from the comic to the show (and i love that) but Axel seems so much like his comic counterpart i have a hard time seeing them change his character that much now. Plus, I believe with, Tyreese, Allen and his son, and Michonne, we'll have plenty of inner-prison conflict. And i do believe that them killing Oscar will serve to further the plot, rather than just killing the tbg or whatever. I think that Gov will use the fact that one of the "terrorists" was an escaped convict to fuel the people of Woodbury against the group as a "barbaric people" or whatever to motivate them to fight. I love how theyr're keeping even the comic fans guessing about what will happen next. Hell, the simple story of Rick, Glenn and Michonne being taken to Woodbury, tortured and escape has been spread out over to Andrea and Michonne, glenn and Maggies tits, and Merle, Daryl, and maybe Andrea again. I'm guessing that Andrea, Daryl and Merle escape at some point. Maybe with the doctor dude. I think all the "pointless" stuff he's had is to set him up as someone who isn't as bad as the Governor, and to maybe replace Hershel as the group medic. Old man on one leg can't last long in the zombie apocalypse, sorry to say.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 7:45 a.m. CST
monroville: I too predict they are grooming Beth to become the comic book version of Andrea
by Prof. Pop-Cult
In the preview for the next episode, a possible hint was a brief clip of Beth kissing Rick on the cheek. So maybe she's starting to crush on Rick, which will of course cause angst for Carl. (In the comics, Andrea eventually makes a move on Rick and they start a relationship.) A second step that could establish turning Beth into more of a bad-ass, tough girl: Axel tries to rape her, and she kills him. That would be a turning point for her. So I predict Axel won't last the rest of the season.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 7:51 a.m. CST
I wonder if people crying about race thought the all-black remake of Steel Magnolias was inappropriate, or BET in general. Or 90% of the "original" programming on TBS.
by YourMomsBox3D
Fuck yourselves. That shit goes both ways. These are the same people who voted for a black president and completely ignore the fact that he was raised by his white grandmother.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 7:54 a.m. CST
Other deaths I predict: Meryl, Herschel, the Governor and Andrea
by Prof. Pop-Cult
And one of the guys in Tyrese's group will die. So the final tally of survivors at the end of the season will be Rick, Carl, baby Judith, Carol, Daryl, Beth, Glen, Maggie, Tyresse, his daughter and her boyfriend. There is going to be lots of house-cleaning (death) in the next 8 episodes.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST
oh, and next year's first episode is called "the Suicide King"
by Richard
Not. Very. Subtle.
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Michonne will be a great character. Her very brief moment with the Gov's daughter (before she found out what she really was) showed she has depth and heart. Loved her fight with Gov. I was screaming at the TV like a moron.
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Hershel needs a machine gun leg! Maybe once they all get back to the prison, Glenn and Axel can build a mech from salvaged car and motorcycle parts? They could take a trip out to the highway with all the abandoned cars near the farm.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 9:22 a.m. CST
Re: slickyvonboner, shouldn't they now be refered as "Blackshirts" instead of Redshirts? lolz
by Stalkeye
The Swapping has raised quite a few eyebrows but as long as Michonnes in the series, it's somewhat balanced. Gotta admit, it was Gorge A. Romero who was the first to feature Black Male antagonists being able to hold out through a Zombie apocalypse. Thus breaking the Cliche of Black People getting killed off within the first 10 minutes within a Sci Fi/Horror Film. T-Dogg's appearance throughout all three seasons (combined) of TWD are probably equivilent to 45 minutes tops. And I'm being generous.
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I actually felt sorry for the Gov with his walker daughter. This show usually flops miserably when it tries to get poignant, but the acting there sold me. That "angry black woman" glare/pout from Michonne, however, gets tiresome really fast. The difference between Walking Dead and shows like Game of Thrones or Boardwalk Empire is that so many of the characters on WD are just annoying and not fun to root for or against (and the performances are much weaker). Keep Merle and Daryl and kill off the rest.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST
naggers, good point. Oscar died honorably as oppossed to being some pervert or potentual Rapist.
by Stalkeye
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Dec. 3, 2012, 9:40 a.m. CST
yourmomsbox3d nobody who voted for OBama forgets that he was raised by his white grandmother...
by Bricklyne
...probably because most of the people who voted for him didn't vote for him on account of his race contrary to what ignorant Conservative fucks like you think. You see, unlike you and other people who didn't vote for him, race was probably not the top thing on the mind of people who were voting for him. It's too bad we can't say the same about ignorant Conservative fucks like you. Also, exactly how many people watched the Steel Magnolia remake in comparison to the original? And did you happen to complain that the original contained absolutely no actresses of color and no minorities at all? Then why is it all over a sudden okay for you to ask if other people complained about the remake having no white leads? Race only matters to morons like you when white people are receiving the short end of the stick. Any other time and it's not an issue or a problem. And oh yeah, your side lost the election. How's that feel? Does it still hurt like it did on November 6th? Asshat!
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I think it is a little funny how they keep swapping black guys, but at the same time, this was a character who was not in the comics. Axel, on the other hand, was. They could have made Oscar a white guy and killed him the same way, sure, but then people might complain about the fact that there are so few black people in general on this show (and, seriously, this is the Atlanta area...where ARE all of the black people on this show?). And octoburn makes a good point about it serving a bigger purpose - they pointed out that he was wearing a prison jumpsuit, so maybe that's the key to the Governor convincing his army to wage war on the prison and try to wipe out Rick's group without knowing all of the facts.
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Wasn't Oscar like the dude in the comics who was the murderer and Rick eventually shot? Maybe the name wasn't the same but it was basically the same character.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST
I vote Carl as the new leader. He's quickly becoming my fav.
by SID 8.0
Cool under pressure, good with a pistol or knife. The way he handled the new arrivals was text book. Oh yeah did you see the way he was looking at Axel when he was talking to Beth. His face said I'll will end you in a second boy if you make a move on my girl.
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the ex-con, glad to see him back on here as Tyrese, thought he was great in The Wire and happy to see him getting this gig.
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No. Oscar was nothing like Dexter. Oscar gunned down Andrew without hesitation. Dexter and Andrew in the comics snuck into the armory, took armor and weapons and tried to force Rick and Co. to leave. Tomas was pretty much a mash up of Thomas and Dexter from the comics, if you're talking about "character" and not skin color. I can't wait to see if/how they pull off/adapt the double suicide, Tyreese/Michonne and all the drama that includes Tyreese, his daughter and Chris, Allen, his sons, Carol, etc. How they change all that could be very interesting.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST
*SPOILER* I don't hate Michonne, but she frustrates me....
by Crimson King
She doesn't trust the Governor, escapes the camp, finds Rick yet never tells him that she knows Andrea. Then, when she and Andrea have their little faceoff, she doesn't tell Andrea that she's there with Rick & Co. or that the Governor has taken her friends hostage and allowed them to be tortured. I get that she's a badass and doesn't like to share things or whatever...but c'mon, why the fuck don't you just tell these people what's going on?? Does she have some ulterior motive we're not yet aware of...? That's been the most frustrating thing for me.
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Maggie hanging herself isn't goign to be an easy sell either.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 11:10 a.m. CST
*Speculation* It seems obvious that Merle and Daryl will escape and return to the prison, where Merle will later reveal himself to be undercover for The Governor when Team Woodbury comes to the prison for revenge.
by Karl Hungus
The Governor condemning Merle last night is all a pre-planned ruse to plant Merle within Team Rick and gain their trust. You watch. It'll either be the Season 3 Finale cliffhanger, or the Season 4 mid-season cliffhanger. The Governor will lead his men on a frontal assault at the prison, and at the most strategic moment, Merle will attack or sabotage from within the prison, allowing The Governor and his men to enter and do serious damage.
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It's a really good read, except I have Gerard Butler in mind when I picture Philip/Governor. They should make a movie out of that one.
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Whoa whoa whoa - Maggie hanging herself? I'm on like issue 102 or something...so I'm assuming I've just read a pretty substantial spoiler. Of course given what happens in 100, it makes some sense, but still...damn.
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Poor writing on the whole Michonne/Andrea thing. Writers are obviously thinking, "Let's just make Michonne REALLY unnecessarily secretive! Yeah! That'll fill in our plot hole!" And when she shows back up and Rick is all paranoid. All she needed to say was, "I tried to take out the Governor and barely got away. I did fucking take his eye though!" (Evil smile...possibly some cackling) I don't think Rick would have minded too much.
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Everything was great, EXCEPT for the end of the Michonne/Governor fight. That little stand-off with Andrea was head-scratchingly stupid. Michonne just stands there not saying a word about the assassin's sent to kill her or the hostages. Yeah, we still have 8 episodes left, can't kill the Governor yet, but don't drag out this Andrea nonsense of thinking he's still a good dude, this was a great place for her to see what he is and totally turn heel. She's not a likable character as it is, and she clearly is sympathetic towards him. Michonne is fast becoming the worst character on the show for me, and that 24/7 pouty scowl isn't doing her any favors.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST
So out of the the prison gang, the only one they're keeping is the creepy cradle robber with the weird moustache??
by Joey Stars
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Dec. 3, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST
karl hungus, I don't think Merle is/will be a double agent.
by heylookoverthere
I think the Governor was seriously doubting his loyalty after a woman Merle claimed he killed showed up alive with Merle's brother and stabbed him in the eye.
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If you're on issue 102, you missed Maggie attempting to hang herself a long time ago. It was not long after they left the prison. I think Glenn and Abraham saved her.
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Gotcha - I completely forgot about that, it's been probably a year and a half since I read those issues, I think? Thanks for the clarification.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST
heylookoverthere, I think The Governor is using that as leverage over Merle though -- plus, it seems like an obvious TV writer thing to do. We'll see, I guess.
by Karl Hungus
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I watched the first two and a half seasons on Netflix and On Demand. Saw my first live episode this week and almost couldn't stand the constant commercial breaks. Has it always been this bad? Seems like there was about 35 minutes of show instead of the 45 or so there should be.
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She noticed how in his family picture, his wife looked very similar to her. She witnessed the aftermath of his fight with Michonne and saw the fish-tank-heads and his dead zombie daughter. She saw that one of the "terrorists" was Darryl. The key to knowing she realized the Governor is a nutcase is the look on her face when she saw Darryl. It was totally, "Oh shit I fucked up big time." ----- As for the new girl, aren't we making assumptions to just jump to the fact that Sasha and Ben are together? Sasha came across a lot older and stable than Ben. In fact, I thought it was pretty obvious that as Beth was being sexualized (the Axel scene) they cut to a guy around her age joining the show. Considering Ben is probably pretty traumatized by his mother's death and Beth tried to kill herself in S2, I could see Ben and Beth getting the suicide pact storyline. This will: -Cause drama between the groups. Carl, Maggie, and Hershel will flip out. -Make Sasha a completely new and longterm character (omg another black person in the group!!!).
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...Tyreese's daughter. In the books, her name was Julie, and she was a teen. The adult woman in his group on the show's name is Sasha.
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I hope they do the "alter Andrea" angle instead. While Beth has already attempted suicide (so to have someone provoke/convince her to try again wouldn't be too out of character), you could also see that now that her dad has a stump for a leg and needs help getting around, one of the main reasons she considered suicide was she felt trying to survive was pointless. Now that her dad (and everyone else) needs her, there's a bit more of a point to living. Not to mention: when she felt the PAIN of the cut, she didn't cut deep and was saved. As Andrea put it, if she really wanted to die, she would have cut deeper. So I think Beth is no longer in the suicide camp anymore, as she knows what pain really feels like and she has responsibilities. Here is hoping to see a scene with her practicing with a sniper rifle.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST
And my brother thought the same thing about Merle and Darryl right after the show
by Monroville
That Merle would be the infiltrator. I think that is a REALLY smart thing on the writer's behalf. Hell, I didn't even think about it until my brother mentioned it.. and it makes sense. Darryl wouldn't think anything of it, and if Merle is literally having to fight for his life to escape (regardless of whether the Gov had a nice chat with him beforehand) it would make his desire to find the prison a bit more convincing. It makes a hell of a lot more sense than what was in the comics.
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You are a parasitic cunt. Congratulations on your election. You can tell your grandchildren how you helped destroy the evil colonialist America that was, and helped usher in the communist utopia they live in. That is if we haven't been conquered by the Chinese or muslims by the time you actually get to see a vagina.
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I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Sasha is Tyreese's niece. I don't see Beth doing a suicide pact either. Not after she already went that way and decided to live. And I agree they should develop her as a replacement for comic Andrea and Sophia. A badass sniper soldier and Carl's booty all rolled in one. I don't know who they will give the suicide pact to. The only logical ones are Sasha and Ben at this point though. And I'm pretty sure that will play out in the next episode "the suicide king". I don't see Merle (or anyone) as an insider. They really don't need one. In the comic, Caesar helped Rick Glenn and Maggie escape so he could leave and tell the Gov where the prison is. The Gov knows where the prison is in the show. An insider may provide a tactical advantage, but it would be very limited given the forms of communication left in the ZA. Not like Merle can pull out his iPhone and text the Governor. Merle: back gate near destroyed. Rear entry provides easiest access for infiltration. Governor: that's what Andrea said.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST
I liked how Axel thought Carol was a lesbian because of her hair.
by kindofabigdeal
Does she have a pair of scissors on her at all times? How does she keep her hair so short?
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It was the same way in "The Mist". And that was a few years ago. I'm guessing the actress actually wears her hair that way all the time.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 6:25 p.m. CST
Merle is not an infiltrator. Watch the look on his face when the governor accuses him.
by heylookoverthere
If the Governer did want to go that route why the hell would he have that public scene with Andrea there no less? He would have put Darryl in a room tied to a chair and had Merle "rescue" him and sneak him back to the prison. Also that theory depends on the Governor being absolutely sure that Merle would side with him and not his brother.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST
The One Black Dude At A Time rule is starting to get silly.
by Royston Lodge
Might as well give every black actor on this show a red shirt.
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Yeah, the "you got the short hair" line made me literally lol. @iceman: have you seen the chick who plays Michonne outside of the show? Her hair is shorter than Melissa McBride's. They could always put a wig on her. Someone really needs to ask this on the Talking Dead. Off that topic, I could see Carol going to Tyreese if Daryl shoots her down, which may happen because of Merle being back. Now that I think about it, Daryl and Merle have never been face-to-face on the show. Could be an interesting dynamic to see how they act (towards each other as well as others) when they are together.
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Hmmm... Nice...
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...in what was a pretty good mid-season finale, the continued use of 'ninja zombies'. At this point months into this epidemic, you'd think that anyone surviving in the wilderness would have incredibly well honed survival instincts (as illustrated by the evolution of Rick's group in the season opening scene). That's why it gets really irritating to see the plot convention of 'surprise zombies' popping up out of the side of the frame like Blondie w the shovel by Arch Stanton's grave...when you can see for miles around you in every direction. I DO love the G the B and the U...so don't start with me. To have survived this long...these people should be much sharper than to allow open ground threats to grab and bite them. Where's their formation? I get that for stories sake, the woman's gotta get bit, just clean up the scene staging is all I'm asking.
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I just don't see it beyond being wistful reflection on the differences between comics Andrea and TV Andrea. Actually though, they aren't that different. Andrea likes the strong thinking leader types. In the comics she latches onto Dale and Rick. In the show she latches onto Shane, Michonne, and the Governor. The difference is in the show Shane lived and messed with her about about what is right. If she lives, she'll come around. As for Beth, it's hard to say how she's responding to Hershel losing his leg. The positive outlook is that you can still live on. The negative outlook is that everyone will be hobbled and brutalized from now on. I don't think we've seen enough of Beth post-S2 to extrapolate how she responded to the whole thing. However, I can say this: -Beth doesn't have much of a character besides being related to Hershel and Maggie and being Carl's object of affection. -Beth has a history of considering suicide. -They live in a prison and things have been pretty brutal lately (all the deaths and injuries). -Sasha and Ben didn't seem like they'd get along. I just think Beth being part of the suicide storyline with her death being accidental (and she doesn't really want to die) is far more compelling and logical than making her "what Andrea should have been." ---- According to The Walking Dead wiki, Sasha is Tyreese's sister.
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I am a racist because I don't think skin color should matter in real life nor in fiction. I'm also a racist simply because I don't believe in the race card "Black Swapping" on The Walking Dead. You got me, buddy, I am the biggest racist around. Your detective skills are uncanny. "You mean the guy who's never said a single word during his entire run as a wallpaper on the show?" All of the Governor's henchmen, with the exception of Merle have been Wallpaper. I think Martienez was the only one who got a couple of lines, other then that, the white guy, the asain and the black guy have had fuck all to say and just take orders from the Gov and give evil looks. The Gov's henchmen were equal opportunity wallpaper. "But then again that must be how you love your black people to be:-" Actually, I don't have a specific preference of how a black character should be. I want a character to be a character. We have ignorant white people, ignorant black people, smart white people, smart black people, etc. Again, I don't see where skin color even matters. "Stay in the background and don't speak unless spoken to, and even then let a white person know first before we decide that you're worth listening to." LOL! What about all of the other characters who were introduced in the show without character growth and either sit in the background without doing even anything remotley interesting or die quickly? you know, Otis, Jimmy, Patricia, The Two Guys in the Bar... hell, even Beth and Randal barley had a couple episodes. At least T-Dog and Oscar and Michonne actual do/did some interesting things. I was glad at the start of the season that T-Dog actually had a voice --- Michonne and Tyreese will be around for a while and at least Oscar and T-Dog went out sacrificing themselvess for others, unlike most of the white people who died in season 2 as victims. "Isn't it funny how race never ever seems to be an issue to people who've never ever ever been victims of racism or bigotry in their lives?" Very funny, actually. Spoken well by someone who's probably never ever been the victim of racism and bigotry in his life :P
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Merle, being a right hand man to The Governor knows way to much about his sick and sadistic ways behind the scenes. If he thinks he has even the slightest hope to re-join Rick's group, he'd most likely do it. Same with Andrea. I think we might be getting some purposely deceiving preview scenes when we see Andrea visiting the prison "on behalf of the Governor" I am thinking it is more likely that by that time she has realized she messed up by trusting the Governor and is more back at the prison to warn Rick and Michonne and co, of what the Governor is planning to do..... It would make absolutely zero sense for Andrea to go to the prison, and find out about what he did to Maggie & Glenn, Daryl, Merle....anyone/everyone else, and still take the Governor's side. If so....there better be a good explanation.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 8:26 p.m. CST
Kirkman has suggested events in the show will divert further off the comic continuity
by Prof. Pop-Cult
Comic book spoiler: Tyresse dies a horrible death at the hands of the Governor. But in the series, I'm predicting he will survive after this season and the Woodbury arc. (Instead I wonder if it will be Herschel who the Governor will execute before Rick.) Further into the lifespan of the series, I don't think it would be out of the question that Kirkman would consider killing off... Rick. Imagine if Tyresse becomes popular enough and the series has been on for 5 seasons, and what an unexpected, bold game changer that would be. The series and comic would be far apart from that point on.
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we've already seen the fates of characters differ from the series and comic. (Sophia is one example.) in the comic, glen was murdered brutally. but what if in the future of the tv series, it's a pregnant maggie who is killed off instead. kirkman and the other producers may be entertaining among themselves what-if scenarios that flip from the comic's events.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 8:49 p.m. CST
They don't need an infiltrator- THEY ALREADY KNOW THE PRISON
by Humie Bubbie
Everything is set for an imminent attack on the prison. I doubt that the Governor makes it to season 4. They've done so much so fast this season that it'll drag unless the war happens as the season finale.
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I actually proposed the same thing a week or two ago. If Tyreese turns out to be the same character he is in the comics and isn't character-raped like Andrea, AND if Sasha survives, this would still be fine with me. My main argument is that a lead character needs some sort of family dynamic to carry the show. Even simply having a girlfriend or something doesnt seem right to me. I believe you need THE lead on this show to be protecting his own blood. A lone character like Andrea or Michonne leading a group wouldn't be as interesting, IMO. The thing that makes Rick a good lead is the family dynamic. Protecting his wife and son. Making sure his wife had a safe place to have the baby. His wife dying while giving birth to his daughter. If the baby and Carl go, Rick would not be suitable as the lead, IMO. I could see them doing that to try to keep the show fresh and unpredictable. But will Tyreese have a family dynamic left by that time?
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3 Instant Replay Moments: Maggie's neck boning. GORETASTIC! and a Michonne double feature. Katana through the mouth. YES! Glass shard in the eye. FUCK YES!! Great episode.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST
I hope all of you people who are acting like the show is racist say the same about a few other big shows
by Thomas
You know like Game of Thrones (one black guy, asshole), Breaking bad (one black guy, drug dealer murderer villainous asshole), Homeland (one black guy, and guess what? he's an asshole), Weeds (circumvented using the "old wise black woman" clause), Lost (asshole, died), Battlestar (two side characters, mostly irrelevant except when being assholes), etc. etc. I'd say so far, the black characters on Walking Dead look pretty good in comparison- T-Dog: not many lines, but certainly not an asshole. Oscar: saved Rick's life, reasonable human being it seemed. Michonne: loyal, badass, and yes flawed. I don't know, spin it however you like.
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That we all lost. It was a fun ride, but even Rome went down the shitter. As for the show, great stuff. Looking forward to Feb.
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They were rough around the edges certainly, but so was everyone on LOST. Desmond was about the only good guy.
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Dec. 3, 2012, 11:41 p.m. CST
monroville gets it. Merle is almost certainly an infiltrator. He's too evil to be redeemed but he's joining Team Rick for a bit, so being undercover for The Governor is his only sensible future. Trojan Horse Merle it is.
by Karl Hungus
The Walking Dead isn't known for its groundbreaking writing, so Infiltrator Merle is almost a certainty. It's Basic Dramatic Twist 101.
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how can you ignore someone who's never made herself available for public scrutiny?
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It's probably true. It will then set up the final confrontation between him and Daryl for the end of the season, that neither will emerge from.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 1:22 a.m. CST
I'm also quite certain that Merle is an infiltrator
by FitnaTheForbiddenMovie
The Governor might know where the prison is, he has no idea how many people are at the prison and how much fire power they carry. Nor does he know exactly how many biters roam the area around the prison. A couple of his henchmen were killed and he can't risk walking into a trap, seeing that Rick knows that the Governor knows where the prison is. So sending Merle and maybe Andrea ("we will see where her loyalty lies" he says in the preview and we see Andrea walking up to the prison gates with what appears to be a hooded prisoner) makes sense, they can return to him and tell him all he needs to know to mount an attack. No way Merle is going to be redeemed. From the preview we can understand that some folks aren't too happy with Rick bringing Merle into the fold ("what is HE doing here?") and after Merle turns out to be a traitor it will put a serious dent in Rick's role as leader of the group. I'm also quite certain that Darryl is not going to make it out of this season alive. He's going to get killed by either Merle or the Governor, both of who will also not survive. After the prison attack it will be overrun by walkers and the remains of the group will have to look for a new place to stay. The question is: who will survive and what will be left of them?
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As always informative and analytical. Glad your earning your money to the best of your abilities.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 2:57 a.m. CST
Prediction: Rick, Tyresse, et all will take over Woodbury in Season 4
by Prof. Pop-Cult
I'm basing some of these on the events from the comic, but modified as they may apply and be changed for the TV series: After the prison is overrun, and after the Governor and Meryl are killed, the end of Season 3 will be Rick and his group escaping. It looks like the show will go back to Woodbury, because it was hinted by one of the producers that the Woodbury locale/set would be used for at least two seasons. For those of you familiar with the comic series, it looks like they will use Woodbury as a stand-in for the community that Rick and his group joined after wandering around for several issues (during which they dealt with a small gang of cannibals). In the TV show, they will go to Woodbury and claim it. As I said above, I'm thinking that maybe Kirkman wants to keep Tyresse around indefinitely, and explore what-if storylines with him in the TV show that are no longer possible in the comic. So that brings to question, who dies by the end of Season 3, likely to be executed by the Governor in front of Rick? Meryl is a possibility, but I'm really leaning my bet on Herschel. It would be more horrific for Maggie, Beth, Rick and Glen. It would motivate Michonne even more so to kill the Governor (since Herschel treated her wound). So, my final prediction: Tyresse lives. Meryl dies after being found out to be a double-agent. Governor kidnaps and beheads Herschel in front of Rick and his group. Andrea dies in the crossfire during the final battle, as well as one of the young guys in Tyresse's group. And sometime between these events Beth murders Axel, but maybe everybody thinks Axel simply got bit and eaten by zombies, though Carl witnessed Beth doing the deed or maybe even helps her get rid of the old guy perving on her. That's 6 major deaths.
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Once the Governor realized Merle was going to see Daryl, having been obsessed with finding him, I think he knew he had to cut that tie. Merle's a dangerous liability and if he were to independently find out if Daryl were still alive (as he did) it's only a matter of time before he fled. He's no longer an asset and therefore must be put down. As for Merle and Daryl, don't ask me how they get out of this one. I'm hoping they do. The episode itself was great. I really enjoyed it.
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I entirely forgot about michael on Lost, hahaha. It's doesn't help much though because I thought he was the most annoying character on the show. But I still think Eko was generally an asshole
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...broadcast network level numbers. And in other AMC news, looks like The Killing is really going to return.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 7:45 a.m. CST
Right now Merle isn't an "infiltrator" his lie cost the Governor his eye
by Monolith_Jones
Maybe Merle returns to Woodbury with info later on, to get back in the Governor's good side but as of now the Governor thinks Merle is a traitor, and why wouldn't he? Merle lied about killing Michonne, Glenn and Maggie escape,Daryl and friends show up for the rescue, then the woman who is supposed to be dead shows up and shoves a piece of glass in bus eye.
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I have no respect for the way black characters have been treated on WD, but enjoy Homeland just fine. t-dog was a servile, empty projection of some white Writer's ignorance of black people. they'll try to do better now. we shall see.
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The Governor pleading to spare his zom-daughter could have had some real impact if Michonne had the back-story that she had been carrying around her zom-brother on a leash. But the writers didn't give us that. I lost all respect for Michonne's bad ass when she tried to choke the Governor with a samurai sword handle. Ask Arya. You stick them with the pointy end. Bad writing. That was some of the worst tactical maneuvering with automatic weapons I've ever seen portrayed on TV. Let's see. Open field? Check. Armed enemy are alerted? Check. Do they have elevated position? Check. Okay then, let's just walk across this fucking field. If Carl keeps acting so bad-ass, he's going to get a piece real soon. Nice!
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She was choking him with the scabbard, not the handle. The sword was still in Penny's head when the Governor tackled her. All other points, quite valid.
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Who is the best zombie killer: Michonne, Daryl, Rick (or Richard Harrow)?
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
AV Club agrees with me about Merle's arrest being staged to set him up as an infiltrator.
by Karl Hungus
http://www.avclub.com/articles/made-to-suffer,89172/ Seriously, it makes total sense. The Governor will lead an assault on the prison (as seen in the comics.) Merle will be his "inside man" (as The Governor previously mused about on the TV show.) 2+2 and all that...
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Dec. 4, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST
Possible stupid question: Remember in Season 2, one of the opening scenes is of a helo flying through downtown Atlanta and leading walkers to the farm?
by kidicarus
I don't remember that ever being explained. It didn't look like the one the NG guy was piloting, so who was it? It looked like a civilian helo.
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Maybe Michonne and Andrea never really discussed Andrea's former group? Michonne doesn't seem like much of a talker and names really don't mean much when you don't know the person. You end up referring them to "This guy I work with" or "My cousins wife" or "The cop who came for his wife." I can see Andrea saying "Rick and Lori were fighting because Lori slept with Shane. Carl liked Shane, but T-dawg..." and Michonne replying "Is this real, or from a soap opera you used to watch? ... either way I don't care ... oh, and look out for that zombie horde behind you."
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I'd have a hard time believing they would let Merle into the prison at all, Daryl's brother or not, he tried to kill two of their own and Michonne. Dude should get a bullet in the face if he comes anywhere near the prison.
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I agree. I also think Andrea wasn't all that interested in talking about them when she was sick most of the time. I still have a problem thinking Merle is an insider. I think it will be more complex than that. I could see Andrea maybe taking Merle back with her, Gov getting his info from him as a source of pennance, then executing Merle at the gates of the prison before the assault.
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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA. This is literally the single stupidest statement in the history of the show. Merle, who tortured Glenn.. is suddenly going to be accepted by a crew that not only hate his guts, but practically torture anyone who shows up that even looks at them funny. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA. If they try it, it will be the single most ridiculed thing this show has ever done and more than likely cause it to jump the shark. Anybody that stupid(to take Merle in) deserves to die, and I hope they burn in hell. There is a lot of ways this can be handled, having Merle be the inside man is not one of them. At best they'd simply give him a cell with some food and water so he didn't die and leave him there to rot. Thats the best he could ever expect from Rick's crew, his brother there or not.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST
You guys saw the promo for the next episode, right? You know, the one where Glenn at the prison exclaims, "What is HE doing here?!" Guess you missed that part.
by Karl Hungus
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I think Merle will go to the prison, but not as an infiltrator. For reasons that have already been stated. Why would the governor rally all his people and tell them he was going to execute Merle if what you're saying is true. Anyway we shall see.
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I remember last year when Lori, completely against any common sense of her character or her as a human being, decides to go alone out to get Rick in a car suddenly. Made no sense aside from it being "something to put Lori in danger" Sunday night Daryl finds out his brother is in Woodbury and yet he starts firing his MACHINE GUN indiscriminately at anything that moves. Wouldn't the gutsier thing be that he won't fire at anyone because they might be his brother? Just little 'conveniences' like these keep the show from joining the greats and instead it's just real good fun.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST
WTF? The survivors have been bullseyeing walkers between the eyes from a hundred yard in moving cars...
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Yet this episode has two dozen people shooting automatic military rifles and only the token black guy gets hit?! I swear I saw Maggie firing her gun INTO THE FUCKING SKY instead of aiming at people, too.
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Dec. 4, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST
I get that Michael Rooker is cool and everyone's favourite actor, but...
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Merle is a murderous, lying dog who you'd put a bullet between the eyes before letting him anywhere near your kids. This is why I fucking hate writing that forces characters into unnatural behaviour. It reminds me too much of Lost, which was the master of doing it. After what happened to Glenn and Maggie, and the token black guy getting shot, the first thing the Survivors would do is shoot the fucker, not let him live just because the show writers want to create future plot tension.
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Cutting heads in half while jumping through the air and taking out a rampaging zombie while tied to a chair... need I say more!
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Is because of Darryl. Darryl is going to vouch for his brother, who has just been called a traitor by the Governor in front of all of Woodsbury. It's good enough for Darryl. And Rick needs Darryl. He's going to fall off his pedestal, the rest of the group will start questioning his leadership, but Rick will do what he thinks is best. And Merle will be let in. Just like Andrea will be let in. And either Merle or Andrea or both will provide the Governor with the information he needs to take out the prison community. Or Andrea will provide information and Merle will be counted upon to start wreaking havoc on the inside during the assault. The Governor is many things but he's not dumb. I am a bit confused with the bigger picture, taking into account the comics and the books, etc. It's obvious that the writers are diverting quite a bit from the comics but the Governor's back story also seems out the window. I just finished reading Rise of the Governor and (SPOILERS) in that book, released in 2011 and written by Kirkman and Jay Bonansinga, the Governor is not Philip Blake but his brother Brian who takes on Philip's identity at the end of the book after Philip gets killed by a friend and devoured by walkers. Yet in the tv-show, we are shown a photograph of Philip with his blonde wife and daughter Penny (who in the book is already a zombie when Philip gets killed) and it is obvious that the guy in the photo is Penny's father and is in fact the Governor. Brian had an ex-wife from Jamaica and no kids. I'm fine with the writers and Kirkman exploring different outcomes and even giving characters different backgrounds but I fail to see the logic behind writing a book setting up a major character and then making it appear as if that back story is a load of bull. People watching the series will be flocking to the comics and the books and the videogames, they're going to invest in these characters only to find out that the people behind it can't seem to make up their minds about who these characters are and where they want to take the story. Am I wrong about this?
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Dec. 5, 2012, 3:16 a.m. CST
Merle tried to murder Glenn, he was going to rape Maggie. Why the hell would Rick let him into the group?!
by Hardboiled Wonderland
From the preview, it looks like Andrea brings Merle as a prisoner (hooded, hands tied, gun to his head). Rick will keep Merle locked up for intel, but no way in hell would he cut him loose and say, hey man, I know you tried to kill Glenn and almost raped Maggie, but you can join our group now because we don't like the governor either. It's absolutely ludicrous.
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The more compelling plot is to have Andrea return and have everyone, including the audience, be distrustful of her because they're not really sure if she is back or a mole.
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Dec. 5, 2012, 4:09 a.m. CST
@jayemel Yep, Andrea is the infiltrator... and both the Gov and Rick don't trust her.
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Bringing Merle as a prisoner is a ploy to gain Rick's trust.
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I agree that's another possibility. It's impossible to gather from the previews who Andrea's prisoner is but my guess has also been Merle. But that seems to imply that Merle and Daryl do not escape Woodbury, at least not together. And I haven't been able to spot Daryl at all in the previews with the rest of the prison community so I'm guessing he never leaves Woodbury in the scenario where Andrea takes Merle to the prison. And that leads me to believe that Daryl will be executed by the Governor in front of the prison gates after which the chaos will commence.
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That scene's only purpose was to show us how zombie "herds" are created and grown due to their instinctual attraction to and following of noises, and then just falling in with one another; creating a massive, deadly eating machine.
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Dec. 5, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST
Sure seems like there isn't a whole lot of publicity on a Milwaukee, Wisconsin exclusive Walking Dead cast show Februay 2013
by theDORK
http://www.pabsttheater.org/show/walkingdeadcastandcreators2013
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Dec. 5, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST
$100 VIP meet and greet tickets sold out in 1 minute...I didn't get one. Got a great regular seat, tho
by theDORK
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I guess it could be Andrea but i doubt it. Regardless, this show isn't going to foot the bill for a tank to roll over the fence at an outdoor shoot. They are way to cheap for that. Merle or Andrea will be seen opening the gate to let them in. This plot decision will save them a nice chunk of change. I honestly don't think the Governor will behead anyone, he doesn't even have Michonne's sword does he? The whole thing with the execution deaths gets a little out of hand anyway. It would be nice if they avoided this all together making Glenn's death feel more singular and unique later in the series. Other wise it's like, hey here's another evil leader dragging someone else out to kill them in front of the group.
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Isn't the copter from S2 the same one that crashed before the introduction to the Guv? That's the impression I've always had. I suppose it might not be, but it's not like there is lots of functional machinery and infrastructure still left standing. And all this talk about a mole -- is it a spoiled plot point from the comic? Logically, the Woodbury folks are well-armed enough to overwhelm the prison group quite easily. Why would they need a mole? I suppose it might help further characterize the Guv as -- oooh, sly, devious evil guy -- but it makes little sense otherwise. Heck, all he needs to do is allow dumbo Andrea to reunite with them and she'd give him all that he'd need unintentionally.
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She's using the same device Merle had when he left the walker loose on Glen. I'm assuming she's using the walker for camo much like Michonne's pets.
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It's meant to give you a frame of reference as to how long the herd that eventually attacks Hercshel's farm has taken to form. In season 2 they show it flying over downtown Atlanta it's supposed to be the same copter that Rick saw when he was on the horse so unless they have been flying it for months it's not the same one that crashed this year.
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Dec. 6, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST
I actually think the scene where the Gov is begging Michonne
by kidicarus
not to kill his daughter pretty damn convincing, I actually sympathized with the guy. I've never read the comic, but he comes across in the show as more shrewd and pragmatic than evil.
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