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Lawrence Kasdan May Not Have To Use Arndt’s STAR WARS Treatment After All!! Could The EMPIRE STRIKES BACK Screenwriter Really Be Scripting Episodes X, XI And/Or XII??

I am – Hercules!!

Hollywood Reporter sources say Lawrence Kasdan (“The Empire Strikes Back,” Raidiers of the Lost Ark”) and Simon Kinberg (“X-Men: The Last Stand,” “Sherlock Holmes”) may not be writing episodes VIII and IX of the Star Wars saga, and may in fact be writing spin-off films set in the Star Wars universe.

This means the duo are not necessarily using the VII/VIII/IX treatment George Lucas hired Michael Arndt (“Little Miss Sunshine”) to write.

The Kasdan and Kinberg scripts could also evolve into official “Episodes,” according to The Reporter. (Episodes X, XI and/or XII maybe?)

I’ve always suspected Kasdan had a much freer hand with “Empire” than he did with his massively inferior screenplay collaboration with Lucas for “Return of the Jedi,” so I’m pleased that Kasdan might now be divorced from the Lucas/Arndt stuff.

Critics and audiences alike disliked Kasdan’s last two movies (2003’s “Dreamcatcher” and this year’s “Darling Companion”),  but those two movies don’t erase for me the man’s work on “Body Heat,” “The Big Chill,” “Continental Divide,” “The Accidental Tourist,” “Grand Canyon,” “Mumford,” “Wyatt Earp,” and “Silverado.”

As for the activities of Kinberg, whose credits include also “xXx: State of the Union,” “Mr. & Mrs. Smith” and “Jumper,” I really couldn’t give a shit.

Find all of the Reporter’s story on the matter here.



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  • Nov. 28, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST


    by Chopper


  • Nov. 28, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST

    They're writing the adventures of Grando Calrissian!

    by Stallion_Cornell

    Search your feelings. You know it to be crap.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 5:31 p.m. CST

    I dont know if this is cool news or not...

    by ray a

    It's been a long time since Kasdan wrote a good story.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Kasdan=AWESOME!!! Kinberg=Shit Sandwich....list of directors...

    by billprestonesquire

    what the fuck was Disney thinking when they hired Simon Kinberg. Joss Whedon has got to direct a Star Wars movie somewhere down the line. that dudes a major geek. my pics for directors: episode 7: David Fincher episdoe 8: Daren Aronofsky episode 9: PT Anderson it would never happen, but it would be tits!

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST

    I don't care what he's writing

    by quadrupletree

    I just want to see something NAO!!

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Ugh. Too much "Star Wars"

    by Daytripper69

    Are they trying to flood the market? Quality takes time. I'd prefer it if they concentrated all their creative fire power on VII, VIII and IX before we talk "spinoffs." Come on, Kathleen ol' buddy, don't let us down!

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST

    So, they're hiring the guy who wrote LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE...

    by TopHat

    ...over the guy who wrote EMPIRE STRIKES BACK? Yep, sounds like the backwoods twisted insane decisions Lucas AND Disney would make. Hire John Milius. The man knows military stradegy and historic imperlism. These movies are going to be about the rebuilding of the Republic - you need a guy like Milius. Then bring in Walter Hill and Joe Johnston to add classic pulp and sci-fi camp. Finally, have Kasdan tie everything together and add humor and character individuality. Now hire Scorsese or Spielberg to direct. DONE.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Star Wars: Shadow of the Empire

    by Bass Ackwards

    Looking at imdb looks like Kasdan had something to do with the 1996 video game. I know a video game isn't an accurate barometer of anything when it comes to story, but still piques my curiosity. Anyone who's played it have any verdicts on the game's story?

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Episode VIII part XXI verses IV

    by Gorgomel

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 5:49 p.m. CST

    bass ackwards

    by MJAYACE

    Shadow of the Empire was decent for a novel set in between Empire and Jedi. Imagine the game was based on the same story. It was about an underworld boss who was written to make Jabba's power look small. He grew into the Emperor's favor, and Vader look weak until the end when Vader squashed him (if I remember right--been a long time).

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 5:49 p.m. CST

    I'm sure Disney would love a live action Shadows of the Empire

    by Bladerunner751

    It's got everything everybody loves: Vader, Fett, The Emperor, Han frozen in carbonite, a speeder bike chase through Tatooine, Prince Xizor, a huge space battle at the end...print the money now.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Kasdan is actually writing The Bodyguard Episode II, III and IV

    by Gorgomel

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST

    What's wrong with Silverado?

    by rev_skarekroe

    Also, I wish we could retire Star Wars forever.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST

    jumper was ok

    by Amy Chasing

    there, I said it

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 6 p.m. CST

    He's working on Grand Admiral Thrawn movies, motherfuckas!

    by Joey Stars

    Don't deny it.

  • Uh, you do realise that Kasdan's Empire script was a rewrite of Lucas' script, right? Brackett wrote a script which was rejected then Lucas wrote a new script which Kasdan rewrote. If anything, it was Kasdan's collaboration with Lucas (and Kirshner) that made Empire what it was. I hate this revisionist history bullshit that tries to downplay Lucas' role in Empire just because they don't like the prequels. The Empire Strikes Back and Raiders Of The Lost Ark are two of the best collaborative works ever put on film and they both involve Lucas and Kasdan. The best thing Disney/Lucasfilm could do with this new trilogy is to start off the way Raiders did. Get the writers, the director (whoever that turns out to be) and Lucas into a room and let them shoot the shit and work out the details of the movies over a few days. Anyone who has read the transcripts of the Raiders plot discussions featuring Lucas, Kasdan and Spielberg will know what I'm talking about.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST

    how is this good news?

    by Ali Kerim Bey

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Hasn't Kasdan said that 90% of his ESB script was really Lucas?

    by StarWarsRedux

    On "Raiders", sure, he had a freer hand, but on ESB he's said a few times that his contributions were mainly in cleaning up the dialogue, often changing things just a little bit. A classic case of polishing or script-doctoring. Not much more.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 6:09 p.m. CST

    I really couldn't give a shit.

    by Deceased Fan

    I love you Herc.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST

    They Need Wayne Kramer As Director And Paul Walker As Angry Jedi/Sith

    by Dan Lalonde

    Laugh all you want but there hasnt been such an intense film since "Running Scared."

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST

    If you've read earlier RAIDERS drafts, it is almost a silent movie

    by trevanian

    The copy I had was I think 3rd draft, and it had three extra setpieces (mine car and hiding behind the gong stuff recycled for TEMPLE) and very little characterization at all. Most notably, none of the INDY CAN'T BLOW UP THE ARK stuff, which for me is THE character moment from those movies. I hadn't ever heard Brackett's script was rejected, just that she turned it in and immediately died. I've always assumed the Han/Leia stuff was mostly hers with Kasdan sweetening.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Clearly, VII-IX Are Not Disney's Priority

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

    Oh, they'll probably get made, as a courtesy to Lucas, but they are already looking ahead to their own personal Disneyfied Star Wars. And I know exactly what that's going to look like. Joke's on you, fanboys. Who among you ever suspected how much you would end up missing George Lucas.

  • I like Michael Arndt's stuff a lot, and, without him, we would not have the "It's this year's Little Miss Sunshine" meme. C'mon, Toy Story 3 had a great script- it is perhaps the best threequel ever- ok, that's not saying much at all, but the guy knows how to tell an involving story with humor, suspense and honest emotions. Perhaps his geek cred will improve next year if Joseph Kosinski's "Oblivion" and "Hunger Games: Catching Fire," both of which he co-scripted, are well-received.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 6:21 p.m. CST




  • ...and C3PO will be forced to pick it out of his ass hair while Chewie yells at him.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST

    I kinda liked Dreamcatcher

    by fingerlickingood

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST

    ROTJ "massively inferior" to ESB?? BULLSQUASH

    by D.Vader

    Inferior yes, but "massively" implies its a steaming pile of shit. Which of course, it is not.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST

    What's her social security number?

    by Anthony Torchia

    No, you're not going to kill her .... I like Mr. and Mrs. Smith :-) Regardless, the freer hand they give Kasdan, the happier I am. Honestly, I don't see Disney fucking this up, there is too much money to be made. I know, wishful thinking, fuck you.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST

    How about XV, XXX, or CM? When does it stop with these fuckers?

    by Punisherthunder

  • Then come back and sing the praises of Kasdan from now until you become one with the force.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Fuck Simon Kinberg

    by D.Vader

    Unless he writes a kickass Boba Fett film. But I seriously doubt he will. "Kickass" doesn't exactly describe his movies.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Uh, I kind of really dug the ROTJ script.

    by templesweeper

    Tons of quotable lines. The Emperor was actually awesome and didn't just gurgle and growl like he did in EP 3. And remember, the best line from ESB (I love you, I know) was an ad-lib. So...the overall PLOT of ESB was better than ROTJ, but that was still Lucas. Don't slam ROTJ just because they have ewoks.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Are we really speculating about Star Wars X?

    by Andrew

    Seriously, can't we at least wait for VII to come out first? Christ.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Uhh... and Raiders, Herc.

    by Jordan

    One of the best movies ever.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Oh -- scratch that

    by Jordan

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Saw you had it further up

    by Jordan

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST

    How about an article about episode XXVlll?

    by Gary Makin

  • Kasdan is almost completely absent from the discussion - it's almost like he took the minutes from George's ideas (most of Spielberg's story input was just inane) and then hammered those ideas into a screenplay.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 7:37 p.m. CST


    by obijuanmartinez

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 7:38 p.m. CST

    seriously, how the fuck is Kinberg even in there??

    by yabory

    i mean, Come On!!!!

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Wow, Kinberg's resume is DEEPLY UNIMPRESSIVE.

    by Sean

    XXX 2...whatever. Mr. And Mrs. Smith...overhyped, dull bullshit. Jumper...giant, moronic bullshit. Modern young adult novels should not be films. They have about as much substance, originality, entertainment value and intelligence as a Rhianna CD covered in Chris Brown's angry semen.

  • you don't want Star Wars to become the new Saw or Friday the 13th

  • Just don't feature Luke and Leia proper.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 8:01 p.m. CST

    This bickering is pointless

    by Logan_1973

    I'm going to be thrilled when the official press releases come around and we don't have to deal with AICN reporting rumors as news.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 8:36 p.m. CST

    I like Kasdan but he didn't write the best line in TESB.

    by Tacom

    "I love you!" "I know." was made up on the spot when they were filming it because what was was in the script didn't really work.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST

    I hope this doesn't mean Vaughn's pushing for his wife to write

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    The dude needs to work with someone else. And all we'll hear is Neil Gaiman bleating how he's best friends with them.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Shadows of the Empire

    by dr_john_zoidberg

    To whoever was asking about the Shadows of the Empire game for N64 storyline: The game was just based on a novel of the same name that took place between Empire and Jedi. I remember very little about either one. The game had a character named Dirk Rendar or something(that isn't it), whereas the novel followed more of the mainstram characters, Luke's continued training into being a Jedi Knight, etc. The villain is Prince Xixor in both. They can't really hustle that one into a movie, as the actors would all have to look a year or so younger than they did in Jedi...unless they DO translate the game directly, but that's a terrible idea. Fingers crossed that WHATEVER we get out of this has some heart to it. All ney-saying about the prequels aside, they just, at the core, felt incredibly lazy.

  • Literally every human being already knows this.

  • You really aren't the standard for good taste and sound judgment, you know?

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST

    RotJ script

    by Bass Ackwards

    In defense of the script, a lot of ideas from the script watered down for the movie (Han's death, Wookie home world instead of Ewok's, a bit more of a dour ending rather then a celebration...)

  • No Jonathan Ross's wife, Jane Goldman, has really pink hair and big boobs and been know to write screenplays

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Tacom, I wouldn't say that's the best line in TESB.

    by one9deuce

    There is a LOT of competition: I want that ship, not excuses The Force is with you Young Skywalker, but you are not a Jedi yet. No, I am your Father. Impressive, most impressive. OK, so pretty much EVERYTHING that Vader says. You said you wanted to be around when I made a mistake Sweetheart, this might be it. I take it back! I'd just as soon kiss a Wookiee. I can arrange that! No, try not! Do or do not, there is no try. So many great lines! And what's interesting about the I love you/I know exchange is that while Kasdan might not have written it, what he DID write probably lead to what they ended up using. His script went: PRINCESS LEIA I love you! HAN SOLO Remember that, because I'll be back.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 10:19 p.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    Excellent points about how ROTJ ended up more kid friendly. I really do believe that George would have done JEDI different had THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK done the box-office that STAR WARS had done. Since it made well over 100 million less, I think he felt that be should lighten the next Episode.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Will someone please tell me who the fuck is directing SW Episode XXXII?!?!

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

  • It's AICN talkback's fault, it's all starting to affect my brain. :(

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Remember that, Leia, 'cause I'll be back.

    by John Brown

    I think that was Lucas' line, if memory serves.

  • ...SHE won a Oscar (for editing), while Lucas didn't get anything. SHE came up with the ending to RAIDERS (Marion wating for Indy). SHE came up with Obi-Wan dying in STAR WARS (Lucas didn't get it from Lord of the Rings). SHE put together Han and Leia's romance in EMPIRE more than anyone else, including Brackett. Don't get me wrong, I think Lucas is still the driving force (heh) behind Star Wars. It just that people forget that in the seventies, while these movies were being made, there was this huge collabortive community of film makers all getting each other's opinions and reactions. Lucas' wife has been completely written out because she cheated on him between EMPIRE and RETURN OF THE JEDI. I believe one of the main reasons why RETURN OF THE JEDI, the prequels, and even other movies made by those same 1970s directors are not as good is because the collaboration they has back then has dwindled or completely faded away. I think after his divorce, Lucas made a pact with himself not to collaborate with anyone again, and that's why JEDI and the prequels are lacking. I also believe the real reason why he won't give a proper release to the original trilogy is because of how much those films (especially STAR WARS and EMPIRE) were collaboration of film makers and improvisation by the actors and not just Lucas - If he didn't have complete say over how things went, in his mind, its not a successful project. It wasn't just Kasdan. It was also Milius, Hill, Johnston, Coppola, and a whole heap of other film makers whole gave suggestions and made movies like STAR WARS, CLOSE ENCOUNTERS, EMPIRE, etc. Now, that community is gone - Its just the individual film makers working with their own people. Regardless of who gets chosen to write and/or direct further installments, they should at least track down Lucas' ex and get her feelings on it.

  • Nov. 28, 2012, 11:57 p.m. CST

    this is a full-blown raping of the franchise

    by dioxholsters_scion

    my nightmare came true, i see people scrambling to have their turn raping the one thing i saw as perfect in every way... how could they these assfucks think of spin-offs before they have finished the coming up with a story for the sequels? this is a sad day for true star wars fans, Lucas why did you do this now? I wish this stuff happened long after Im dead.

  • that bitch can go fuck herself, she ruined him forever like how most women are they are nothing but scum

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 12:35 a.m. CST

    tophat, come on.

    by one9deuce

    Marcia Lucas definitely contributed to the Original Trilogy, but you're exaggerating her importance. She is just one of MANY who added some good or even great ideas to Star Wars. Her legacy has been set for awhile now: She was a great editor. She was married to George Lucas. She contributed to the Star Wars Trilogy. She was a cheating whore.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 2:03 a.m. CST

    People forgot to add Kurosawa and Frank Herbert

    by spike fan

    to who helped with the success of Starwars. People never thank these 2 though Lucas borrowed heavily from both . The plot for the Hidden Fortress was used but just set in space. Seriously watch the film and see how close they both are. Add in a touch of Dune with Arrakiss/Tatoonie and an Empire etc

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 2:11 a.m. CST

    templesweeper its not just the Ewoks

    by spike fan

    The other issues were 1) Another Death Star which this time you can fly whole ships in. 2) Shoe-horning Luke and Leia as brother and sister. 3) Han Solo was not the same charachter while the relationship he had with Leia in ESB was no where near as fun. Maybe it was cause Ford had enough etc who knows. Other than that the film was great and the Luke/Vader/Palpatine scenes were brilliant.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 2:38 a.m. CST

    I want epsiodes XIII, XIX and XV on my desk...

    by deathvalley69

    TOMORROW! These rumours are already getting ridiculous. Time for everyone to chill the fuck out.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 2:51 a.m. CST

    I have a baaaaaad feeling about this

    by bf skinner

    So Kasdan is writing spin-offs? We all know how that's gonna work out. They will be left to gestate and Disney will bring in new scribes to rewrite them until they bear little resemblance to the original treatment. At least if Kasdan were doing 8 and 9 working from Lucas' story, they WOULD have been made as written. Now we're purely in the realm of maybes and possibilities and could happens. Sounds like Kasdan was hired purely to generate story ideas that will be fucked with beyond recognition. This is VERY bad news.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 3:04 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    I’ve always suspected Kasdan had a much freer hand with “Empire” than he did with his massively inferior screenplay collaboration with Lucas for “Return of the Jedi.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 3:07 a.m. CST


    by Captain Dobie

    How the hell can anyone mention Lawrence Kasdan's body of work and not mention Raiders of the Lost Ark, a screenplay so good that even the great William Goldman held it up as one of the all time classic pieces of writing!!

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 3:10 a.m. CST


    by Salamander

    Have to say I'd love to see the Thrawn trilogy, but I'd even settle for characters from the force unleashed/dark forces.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 3:13 a.m. CST


    by Salamander

    Hell I don't care who's in it, 2015 will be a great year for films! Avengers 2, Hobbit 3?, Avatar 2 hulk movie? Just hope the world don't end next month! ;)

  • Getting burned by the opposite sex or even same sex is not some exclusive party! But I understand it's an anger hard to set aside... Too bad George hadn't incorporated THAT mirror into the prequels. ;-)

  • That is a good thing.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 3:38 a.m. CST

    The more Empire crew involved the better...please no Shinzon.

    by txtone04

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 3:49 a.m. CST

    @wondermule...all the money 1-3 generated and they F'ed it up...

    by txtone04

    all I want is something where I don't walk out disappointed.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 6:08 a.m. CST


    by Jak

    The way I remember it, reading Starlog magazine as a 7 year-old, Lucas always referred to Star Wars as a twelve part series. I have a lot of faith that the future films we be the Star Wars we always imagined it could be and more. Just wait. -HP

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Go read the making of books

    by wadi77

    George Lucas wasn't happy with Leigh Brackett's draft. Her draft was never used, Lucas gave the screenplay credit out of respect to her death.

  • ...woulda rivaled 'I am your father' for epicisity (made up word game - 10 points)

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Has anyone here actually seen Hidden Fortress?

    by Golly

    Because I have - several times - and if anyone of you had seen it you wouldn't keep repeating the stupid myth that Star Wars is a near copy of that film. Apart from a few superficial thematic elements that survived into the later drafts of what became Star Wars, there are few similarities. Yeah, Lucas' original piece of shit drafts for what eventually became Star Wars obviously drew heavily on Hidden Fortress for inspiration/ripoff, but NOT the film that is Star Wars. Get a grip on reality and stop speaking so much shit.

  • The truth is all these cunts have very little talent and just happen to be brownnosing douchebags in the right place at the right time and were prepared to suck the dick of the military-industrial complex in the late 70s when it needed Star Wars to further an agenda so far beyond the comprehension of most of you dickwads I wont even touch upon it. I could seriously write 3 or 10 fucking Star Wars movies that would be vastly superior to any of the scat that eventually makes it onto the screen from this point on. Jesus.


  • Nov. 29, 2012, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Yeah this is getting WAY too silly

    by Ricardo

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Re Shadows of the Empire

    by Brian Hopper

    It's interesting Kasdan was involved in that. It's probably due more to the game play than his contribution, but that video game is EASILY one of the best video games I've ever played. Top ten for sure.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Kasdan's like a one-man clinic in writing crackling dialogue.

    by Brian Hopper

    Anyone who's familiar with the stuff he wrote on his own (two early stellar examples: Body Heat and Continental Divide) would know how significant his contribution was to Jedi and particularly Empire... I happen to like nice men. I'm nice men. Then we'll do it real quiet-like. ...and stuff like that just reeks of Kasdan's tasteful contribution. There are numerous examples. And as @one9deuce points out, it was Kasdan's script that pointed the way to Han Solo's ultimately great pimpin' 'I know' response to Leia's 'I love you.' It's just HUGE that we get Star Wars movie(s) with his involvement.

  • Oh, I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive. The mocking quality of that line, the specificity of its implications, and the pitiless nature of it, combined with McDiarmid's incredible line reading, stand out above all others in the Star Wars movies IMHO.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST

    In 2045 when these movies come out I might give a fuck!

    by BilboRing

    Fuckers fucking fucks!

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST

    I'd just as soon kiss a Wookie!

    by Golly

    I can arrange that.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST

    re: "Critics and audiences alike disliked Kasdan’s...Dreamcatcher"

    by buggerbugger

    I'm going to be a crazy fucker and admit to... kind... of... liking... it. Sure, it was fairly daft, but it stuck close to the fairly daft novel from what I remember of it, shit weasels and all. What's more terrifying than an alien bursting out of your chest? An alien bursting out of your arse, that's what. Dreamcatcher? Should've called it Arseburster.

  • remember to flush before whiping and add nauseum.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    blah, blah, blah, -Wart Star - blah, blah, blah

    by cozy

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    I love you. I know. Easily the greatest moment in movie history.

    by UltraTron

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Shadows Of The Empire is fucking awesome

    by pumaman

    Easily the very best book set in the Star Wars universe (actually set between Empire and Jedi ) I highly recommend you check it out.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Thank God they partnered that hack Kasdan with somebody talented.

    by Metroid_Fetish

    We seriously dodged a bullet here, folks. Just imagine Yoda jumping a Harley over an explosion that conveniently censors his shouting of his new catch phrase "Killing all you fuckermothers, I am!" It will be incredible. I've already preordered 85 tickets.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 11:10 a.m. CST


    by gruntybear

    Because - for fuck's sake - it needs to be said repeatedly and LOUDLY.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST

    And BTW, Arndt didnt write the fucking treatment

    by Logan_1973

    Lucas did. Arndt was hired to write VII. I can't believe how you guys keep mashing the facts up.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Did Lucas's wife create Boba Fett?

    by Darth Macchio

    Cause even the very first time I say RotJ in the theater, and the way Fett "died" so ignobly, it occured to even my still cooling brain that it was a middle finger to the character and everybody going fanboy (1983 style mind you) over Fett. I have no specific evidence or proof but I believe that Fett's death was a subtle 'fuck off' to people who loved that character. Which would make perfect sense if the person who either created Fett or had a lot to do with his personification in Empire was someone Lucas eventually hated. Lucas is (or certainly was) a better story teller than most of these screenwriters. The caveat is Lucas doesn't seem to be remotely capable of writing screenplay dialog. "Remember that, cause I'll be back." is just so much cornball self-aware stupidity that it makes perfect sense if Lucas wrote that. That said, it was from Lucas that we got the entire foundation of the movie - and this is what he's best at (again, or used to be best at). The difference is, had Lucas directed Empire, the line would be intact and would have ruined the moment and probably the scene too (the music would go a looong way toward saving it - Williams was on fire for Empire - simply beautiful music throughout). But yet, if Lucas hadn't written the fundamental story, there's be no Solo lowered into the carbonite chamber and so on...

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Fett does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    I didn't mind the humorous little Sarlaac belch after swallowing Fett - after all Boba was wearing a jetpack! I have a bigger problem with the Special Edition revisions of turning his voice into Crocodile Dundee and making him bang his head when walking up the ramp into Slave-1. ...and dont even get me started on baby Boba in the prequels, that's one thing that I really didnt need to see...

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    I liked Dreamcatcher. And it was based on a Stephen King novel.

    by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST

    jeshopk, you're wrong about the amount of Kasdan's contributions.

    by one9deuce

    The screenplays are out there to read, go find out for yourself. What Kasdan did for both TESB and ROTJ is enormous. They wouldn't have been great films without Kasdan's writing. Period. And Gloria Katz and Willard Huyck did the same thing to a lesser degree for STAR WARS. George can write scenes, characters, structure, and situations. But he cannot write character dialogue and character interaction. The Prequels are missing a lot, but mostly they are missing interesting character dialogue and character interaction. It's almost a tragedy that he didn't bring in someone talented at that to help with the Prequel scripts. If only.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    you know a Fett will get a spin off movie.

    by Cobb05

    Either Boba climbed out of the Sarlacc or he had a son or they made a clone of him. There will be a Fett in one of the new trilogy and probably get his own movie.

  • Dispassionately and with no opinion piece jacked up into the middle. AICN is basically just a new aggregate site so, y'know, fucking aggregate it and post links. CUZ THAT'S ALL YOU'RE GOOD AT!

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Episode LVII: The Incontinence of the Force

    by The Gipper

    Adult diapers for everyone!!!

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Old people are bad at EVERYTHING

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Raiders and Empire are over 30 years old. Kasden is 63 now. If he writes this, it'll star Wilford Brimley as Darth Diabetes. Think about it, there's a reason he's only done Dreamcatcher and Darling Companion in hte last decade following such 90's classics as Mumford, Grand Canyon, the Bodyguard, and Wyatt Earp.

  • So he may be writing the spin-off films instead ??? wtf? We know even less about those than we do the ST. What the hell is there to be pumped about? BAHH!!! Too many websites are posting anything SW related for hits and it almost ends up being minor shit that later changes anyway.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Episode LVIII: The Flatulence of the Sith

    by The Gipper

    Smell the power of the Dark Side...

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Star Wars Episode LIX: Ponda Baba's Very Bad Day

    by The Gipper

    How can he keep his job as an architect if he's lost his drawing arm?

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 1:18 p.m. CST

    on Hidden Fortress and Dune

    by animatronicmojo

    Sure, Lucas was inspired by Kurosawa, but, I agree, the comparisons are odious. <BR> As for Dune, Herbert once joked that Lucas "owed him lunch." Some interesting points from <BR> "Lucas has often acknowledged Dune as an inspiration. In early drafts of the Star Wars script the influence was much more obvious - the story was full of feudalistic Houses and dictums, and the treasure the Princess was guarding wasn't the Death Star plans, but a shipment of 'aura spice.' The final version of Star Wars is related to Dune mostly in spirit: a science fiction heroic fantasy treated seriously. Of all the ideas George Lucas inherited from Frank Herbert, the subtle lesson was how to use science fiction to create myth. His lesser borrowings might include: <BR> <BR>Princess Leia / Princess Alia (pronounced a-leia) <BR>Villain turns out to be hero's father / Villain turns out to be hero's grandfather <BR>Tatooine (with its Dune Sea) is a desert planet / Arrakis (Dune) a desert planet <BR>Sandcrawler - Vehicle piloted by Jawas, "left over from a forgotten mining era long ago" / Sandcrawler - Vehicle piloted by Arrakins, used to mine for spice <BR>Moisture Farmers (like Uncle Owen) / Dew Collectors: "...used by Fremen to line concave planting depressions where they provide a small but reliable source of water" <BR>Spice Mines of Kessel (mentioned in passing) / Spice is the most valued commodity in the universe, mined from Dune <BR>Jedi Mind Trick - Jedi ability which controls the actions of others / The Voice - Bene Gesserit ability which controls the actions of others <BR>Jedi Bendu, the Jedi training technique which gives them excellent internal control as well as supernatural prowess in combat / Prana Bindu, the Bene Gesserit training technique which gives them excellent internal control as well as supernatural prowess in combat2 <BR>Vision of Obi-Wan appears to Luke on Hoth, while he's seemingly dying / Vision of Pardot Kynes appears to Liet-Kynes in the desert, while he's dying <BR>The Trade Federation has a monopoly on shipping in space / The Spacing Guild has a monopoly on shipping and transportation in space <BR>Luke practices his lightsaber technique against an automated training remote / Alia practices her sword technique against an automated training dummy <BR>Millennium Falcon barely escapes from the jaws of giant, sightless space slug before it falls back into the asteroid. / The Duke's ornithopter barely escapes from the jaws of a giant, sightless sandworm before it falls back into the dunes. <BR>Luke spies on the Sandpeople using electrobinoculars / Paul spies on the Fremen using electric binoculars <BR>Repulsors - Small devices which counteract gravity (used in the landspeeder, speeder bikes, pod racers and Jabba's barge) / Suspensors - Small devices which counteract gravity (used to suspend the Baron Harkonnen and Glowglobes) <BR>Jabba (1983) is a worm/slug thing, about 15 feet long, with human-like facial features, arms and hands, who sits atop a dais / Leto II, God Emperor of Dune (1981), is a worm/slug thing, about 15 feet long, with human-like facial features, arms and hands, who sits atop a dais"

  • after Revenge of the Sith and before ANH. It would re-cast everyone, and focus on a young Solo and young Calrissian, the Hutts, Boba Fett, gambling, smuggling, and all that fun stuff. We get to see the Kessel Run, etc. No Jedi, no Sith, no Empire, no rebellion except on the outskirts of the story. THAT is a movie I would love to see.

  • yep

  • yep

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 3:06 p.m. CST

    re: Ponda Baba's drawing arm

    by buggerbugger

    Can't they just give him a robotic chicken wing, like they gave Darth Maul robot chicken legs? Why does Darth Maul have robot chicken legs? Have they not invented robot human legs yet? Why were robot chicken legs made a higher design priority than robot human legs in the first place?

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    I love you"... "I know

    by P. David

    Lucas did not like that line when he first saw the footage, but he didn't simply reject it. Instead, he held a test screening to see how the audience would react. The audience loved it, it relieved the tension in a good way, and Lucas kept the line in the film. Nothing in Empire would have wound up on the screen if Lucas hadn't wanted it there. Film is a collaborative process, and Lucas understood that. Yes, Lucas wanted to make the Prequels himself. He had fun, and the result was idiosyncratic and a little wacky. I wouldn't change the Prequels' flaws if I could, because it's a joy to watch Lucas having fun with his new technology, and creating these films as though there are no constraints to his imagination. But three Lucas-controlled movies were more than enough. Now, we'll get another director and someone with a better ear for dialogue, and I will embrace them until they have proven themselves unworthy.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Kasdan should be rewriting 7, 8 and 9

    by FrodoFraggins

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Herc, Michael Arndt didn't write the treatments

    by wadi77

    Michael Arndt never wrote any treatments, that was from speculations, the only thing they got it right was his involvement. From press release: Disney purchased extensive treatments for Episodes VII, VIII & IX written by George Lucas. Announcement from Michael Arndt to write full screenplay for Episode VII.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Star Wars and the oscars

    by P. David

    Star Wars was nominated for best picture, and the fact that it didn't win is one of Oscar's many mistakes. But it deserved to win because it was one of the most original, groundbreaking, ambitious films ever made—not because of the acting or screenwriting or even directing per se. From a pure filmmaking perspective, Empire deserved to be nominated a lot more. If ANH had not been the first movie of its kind, it would not have been nominated, and it is unrealistic to expect a Star Wars movie to be recognized by the Academy.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST

    GL doesn't get enough credit

    by darthvedder81

    ESB was a huge financial and creative risk for Lucas to take—especially at that point in his career. At the same time he was trying to establish/build two different companies (Lucasfilm & ILM) and he was even getting started on what would eventually become Skywalker Sound and Pixar. The fact that EMPIRE worked out well as it did is something of a miracle. He was a smart to hire a director and be the Producer in that old-fashioned Hollywood way of overseeing all aspects of the production but also finding a balance of knowing when to trust the instincts of the people he hired. He didn't have to make ESB (or any of the following episodes for that matter) as original as it was—he could've done a re-hash and made just as much money but he wanted to expand the storytelling and mythology. No he didn't "direct" the movie but his fingerprints and direct involvement were everywhere especially with the scenes on Dagobah. Plus he paid Kershner's Director's Guild fine, helped Kasdan get "Body Heat" made even putting up his fee as collateral incase it went over budget and he premiered the flick at a Special Olympics benefit. What a great man.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Great man, indeed...

    by P. David

    Everything he as done in Hollywood since ANH has been on his own terms, but in addition, he has a reputation as one of the most honest men in Hollywood. He never made many movies because he was busy raising three children—two of whom he adopted—all by himself. And it's not just Kasdan he helped out, on Body Heat. He helped Kurosawa make one of his final films, and got Tucker: The Man and His Dream made at a time when no one in Hollywood wanted to work with Francis Ford Coppola. We all know that Lucas is not the greatest at directing actors, and needs some help with dialogue. But Lucas is one of the greatest visionaries in the history of film, and he is a decent man who has done admirable things with his money and power, in and out of Hollywood. The constant personal attacks go too far.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Seriously, helping save Kurosawa's Kagemusha from oblivion...

    by animatronicmojo

    ...was truly one of the greatest things Lucas and Coppola have ever done. What a masterpiece that film is.

  • His legacy is not just measured by the films that say "directed by George Lucas" in the end credits.

  • Seriously... Lucas has been involved in some fascinating movies. The man eats, breathes, and sleeps film. I can't wait to see him go back to making small, experimental films on his own.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Lucas is (and always was) a class act all the way.

    by Brian Hopper

    The personal attacks have long been comically overdone. The guy built a $4 billion empire starting from nothing, completely revolutionized filmmaking and the film business, brought joy into our little lives with some amazing films, and on and on. Fans should say thank you and leave him alone.

  • He's set for weeks.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 7:45 p.m. CST

    darthvedder81 and pdb

    by one9deuce

    I absolutely despise that the Original Trilogy theatrical versions are not available on blu-ray. I am disappointed that the unbelievable potential of THE PHANTOM MENACE wasn't realized since be didn't bring in another screenwriter, and I really just hate ATTACK OF THE CLONES and REVENGE OF THE SITH. That being said, you're both totally right about George Lucas' contribution to the history of cinema. And the FUTURE of cinema. He has done countless amazing things. He is a titan of filmmaking. And he is the man most responsible for my two favorite films, the two films that still make my heart soar like they did the first time I saw them: RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK and STAR WARS I love George Lucas. And I'm looking forward to seeing more films that were conceived from his imagination.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST

    ROTJ not so bad...

    by MurderMostFowl

    People overreact to the Ewoks and extra silliness ( foreshadowing Episode one when you think about it ) like the sarlac burping, Boba Fett being tossed away character wise, etc. But at the same time, there's a beautiful and skillful art in the rest of ROTJ that gives us some of the best moments in the whole series. The attack on the Deathstar scenes ( here I mean the editing, script, pacing, and plot ) is amazing. Consider that Admiral Ackbar has no more screentime than plenty of other aliens in the series, yet his character remembered forever because of these scenes. The final battle between Luke and Vader had amazing tension in it harkening back to ESB. When Luke is hiding under the the bridge, listening to Vader... that gives me chills just thinking about it now. The final redemption scene too one of the most memorable scenes of the trilogy. For every Chewbacca as Tarzan scene, there's R2D2 shooting the lightsaber out to Luke For every Ewok flying on a glider, there's Luke dragging his redeemed father to the shuttle. ROTJ was a mixed bag at times, but I think it's highs far outweighed it's lows. Episodes 1-3 make ROTJ look like The Godfather anyway. :)

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST


    by Todaysfate

    I hate to be a debbie downer ... but ... the problem with episodes 7, 8, 9 are these. 1. The book ... The Truce at Bakura. - Immediately following the events of Return Of The Jedi - an "alien invasion from some vast distant corner of space threatens the entire galaxy. This book sucked. 2. The Thrawn Trilogy Books .... takes place 5 years after the events of ROTJ. Problem here is that Ford, Fisher and Hammil are too OLD to be in this series. 3. The Courtship Of Princess Leia. An incredibly entertaining book. Would make a great standalone movie. But again ... actors too old. 4. All the rest of the extended Star Wars universe which covers immediately following ROTJ thru hundreds of years into the future. Any attempt to wedge in episodes 7,8,9 somewhere within this continuity featuring the original actors at the age they are, pretty much dictates what the story would have to be about .... based on whatever is happening in the EU within the same time frame. Will Han and Leia already be married? Will they have their kids? Will Mara Jade exist? Problem here is this makes it a requirement for anyone who wants to understand what all this is about to be very familiar with the EU books leading from ROTJ up to episodes 7. ....If they try to bring people up to speed on this continuity within episode 7, then that would make the thing sort of an origin story. And we don’t want that. Considering how EPIC some of these books have actually been, its possible that episodes 7, 8 and 9 would feel anticlimactic in comparison. If they go the route of pretending everything in the EU doesn’t exist or never happened, or focuses on some new fabricated new characters or plot points that do not interfere with what’s in the EU, well than that hardly constitutes an "episode 7" does it? There must be a common thread somewhere. And that’s ALOT of creative material thrown out the window if they do that. And then you create the the possibly that the movies 7, 8 , 9 suck compared to the book stories portraying the same aged Han, Luke, Leia etc. Again, diehard fans will be let down. So the solution is this. I lean towards stand alone movies within the star wars universe as opposed to even attempting to create something worthy of the title "Episode 7". It will be too hard to make it be the event it should be, without contradicting or undermining so much other material and stories that exist for these characters in their older age. As for the extended universe books? ANNIMATE EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. Start now. That’s a hell of an epic series of movies and BLURAY boxed sets for years to come. They could employ a small creative army to get this done and this would be larger than Bond, Potter, Twilight, LOTR/Hobbit, Friday the 13th, Paranormal Activity and SAW franchises combined.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 8:09 p.m. CST


    by P. David

    Personally, I couldn't care less about the EU (although the Thrawn Trilogy and a few scattered books here and there are good), but I understand where you're coming from and I agree that an effort will have to be made to squeeze 7, 8 and 9 into the existing continuity—if only to preserve the sales of the old EU novels. But if the EU is used as a basic foundation for the sequels... if the sequels are loosely connected to characters and events from the books, without a slavish dedication... that would go a long way towards making everyone content, if not totally happy. Also... I agree with you that Disney should transform the best EU into animated miniseries. But the films themselves... they need that Star Wars mythic heft, which is lacking even in the Thrawn boos.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 8:16 p.m. CST


    by Logan_1973

    The EU is about to be obiliterated. Kiss it goodbye, bro.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 8:24 p.m. CST

    I have a question for anyone who is really into the EU...

    by P. David

    How old is Luke in the most chronologically-distant EU novel in which he appears? I once read that George has mandated that Luke and the others cannot be written about after a certain year. Recent events have shown that the Sequels were always at least in the back of Lucas's mind, so the possibility exists: maybe Lucas has always had a story in mind that comes after what has been written about in the EU, a story that is so monumental/cataclysmic/out-of-the blue that it won't require a knowledge of anything other than the existing films.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST

    If they REALLY wanna do something orginal.

    by Todaysfate

    They would take these 50+ TV scripts that are sitting around allegedly too costly to produce. Throw 3 or 4 episodes of them together at a time into a feature film and release in 3D, 48 FPS, Dolby Almos. TRUE "episodic" Cinema. Includes shorts and viral videos in the presentations. Keep Star Wars in the theater on a constant basis for several years. Literally ALL THE TIME. If this was based on the serials of the past, make it that way once again. In some theaters customize them into "Star Wars" theaters for a 3D experience. For those unwilling to pay admission every three months or so to see the next few episodes ... release for home 6 months to a year later and rake in the cash there. Who would produce and star? Everyone. If QT can direct an epsiode of ER ... he can do one of these. Give every director a run at it once or twice. Hows that for a concept. ???

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    murdermostfowl, excellent post.

    by one9deuce

    I can't believe some talkbackers rate any of the Prequels over RETURN OF THE JEDI. That's complete bullshit. Like you so astutely pointed out, many of the greatest moments of the Star Wars Saga are in ROTJ. And it might have the MOST great moments of any of them.

  • I need to improve my proofreading.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 8:44 p.m. CST


    by Todaysfate

    The EU novels (some of them) provide a rich source of material that could be adapted into screenplay immediately. It would be foolish not to do so at some point. Whether these movies are produced using the motion capture technology a'la "Polar Express, Avatar, Beowulf" or more traditional animation using the likes of PIXAR, some of these Stories would be great. If anything, I would urge you to pick up a copy of "The Courtship of Princess Leia" That one book captures everything loved about The Empire Strikes Back as far as the Han/Leia romance and takes it to a satisfying and logical conclusion. I GREAT story for Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher to voice if nothing else. I see them coming up with very little now that would be better than whats in that book. I have not read alot of EU myself. But this one was my favorite.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 8:53 p.m. CST

    ROTS is not just better than ROTJ... it is much, much better...

    by P. David

    I know people don't want to hear this, but it's true. Jedi is a magical film... my Dad took me to see it on opening night when I was a little kid, and it remains the greatest movie-going experience of my life. But the Ewoks are teddy bears, the aliens are muppets, the story is weak, and Ford is phoning in his performance, diminishing Solo's place in the series. And the Death Star is recycled from ANH. Yes, the Palpatine/Luke/Vader sequence is the best of the entire series... and, by the way, I hear that Lucas basically directed that entire scene. But the tragic story of ROTS is SO much more interesting, the feel SO other-worldly, the scope SO amazingly epic. When I want to watch SW, I reach for this film more than any episode but Empire.

  • And yet I complain about Lucas's writing. Go figure.

  • Nov. 29, 2012, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Jabba, the rancor, and the sarlacc are not muppets

    by paladinryan

    They're some of the most iconic movie monsters we've ever been given, standing alongside that other brilliant 80s creation: Cameron's alien queen. Same with the Gamorrean guards, Salacious Crumb, the Ewoks, and Ackbar. ROTJ's creatures have contributed more to pop culture than any of the prequel aliens, including Jar-Jar. And in terms of their realism (give credit to Ben Burtt for their awesome aural qualities) they're the farthest thing from muppets a creature can get.

  • Nov. 30, 2012, 3:07 a.m. CST

    Lucas can actually be a half decent writer when he tries

    by darthvedder81

    He certainly has a knack for weaving mythic elements into his plots like no other filmmaker I've ever seen. He's got a dry, self-deprecating sense of humor. He comes up with original characters (hate Jar Jar all you want but he's pretty unique). "Graffiti" and all the SW movies he wrote all have moments of wit and insight. I think he just hates the writing process so much that he gives up on it sometimes and the movie suffers a bit.

  • Nov. 30, 2012, 3:10 a.m. CST

    paladinryan Agree. There are no aliens other than

    by Dingbatty

    Maul, and vaguely at that, from the prequels that resonate with the general public (well, Jar Jar generates memories of loathing). But everyone, EVERYONE, knows Jabba and the rest you mentioned, even when they are in a pastiche or homage in other works.

  • Nov. 30, 2012, 4:18 a.m. CST

    murdermostfowl, I agree

    by Jak

    A few weeks a go my girlfriend and I awoke early on a Sunday morning. She asked me to pick out a movie so we could lay in bed and watch it. It had been years since I watched ROTJ and I don't think she had ever watched it all the way through, so I put it on. We watched it uninterrupted, no pausing, phone calls, texts or bathroom breaks and it played better than it ever had. My gf was actually crying by the end and watching for the first time in awhile really made me appreciate the "Star Wars" moments of it. Thematically, it is probably the heaviest Star Wars movie and the inter-cutting of three action sequences going on at once was done quite well, even to today's standards of splitting up the set pieces. It's a fine film and I am excited to see it again at the end of my double-trilogy run. A younger friend of mine knows about Star Wars but has never really watched any of the movies all the way through. I'm taking him through them but I am showing them in a unique order: 4,5,1,2,3,6 So far it is working well. -HP

  • Nov. 30, 2012, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Sorry PDB but for all the faults of RTJ it is still

    by spike fan

    better than RotS. Apart from the overabundance of green screen, Sith's primary problem is that it suffers from following on from the last 2 films. Having Anakin butcher children in the last film means that his fall is not nearly so tragic. Having a child killer simply butcher more children does not a hero fall make. Its also stupid since his motivation of saving Padme (whose shock at being told Anakin killed children is funny since he told her he did it in Clone) is out the window the second Palpatine says that maybe,possibly if they work together they can discover the secret! While not exploring Obi-wan and Anakin's friendship means there duel is far less emtional and compelling than it. The best commentary on why Sith is bad is not Plinketts review (his worst of the bunch cause of the toilet humour) but this one particuarly on the final duel.

  • Nov. 30, 2012, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Fuck Roman Numerals


    Just call them 7, 8 and 9 and be done with it.

  • CGI is lifelike, but ephemeral. Practical effects are less realistic, but seem tangible. There is a trade-off. There is no such thing as an ancient civilization in a distant galaxy—at least, as far as we know—and whether Yoda is a puppet or a CGI creation, I am perfectly willing to suspend my disbelief. In fact, a CGI Yoda was superior in a lot of ways; for one thing, he could participate in a duel. I am fine with all the green screen. It means that Lucas was able to show us grander, more imaginative visions. I am willing to trade the tangible-looking practical effects for the visual imagination on display in the Prequels.

  • Nov. 30, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Throwing the whole goddamn CG senate at each other

    by ObiBen

    is not epic, it's retarded. ROTJ is not a very good film, but at least it's a film. ROTS is a soulless CG cut scene amalgam. And please, hipster kiddies, slack off the word "epic", you already f*cking ran it to the ground about two years ago.

  • Nov. 30, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST

    A genuine space dog-fighting movie would be good too -> X-Wing!

    by Darth Macchio

    I haven't read the whole series yet and, as far as the EU goes, they're about median quality story-wise (great female villain tho) but it occured to me that we have yet to have a truly dedicated 'WWII" style aeriel dog-fighting movie. Everybody knows Lucas wanted to have classic WWI & WWII style dog fights in his movies and I feel this worked great in the OT and are unlike anything we've seen anywhere else. I've seen a number of movies and television shows and with a few exceptions, I have yet to see the fun and excitement that was garnered with Star Wars and Jedi's fantastic space combat scenes (forget physics and just enjoy the thing will ya?!) Now, granted, this might be more cable/tv series kinda stuff but if we got some superb scripts and a genius for DoP and editing (sound included - Burke!), plus a director with a great sense of pace and large scale battles as well as smaller scale dialog scenes, etc, could be the sweetness. Jedi and Sith are great sure...but a little played out. The OT had some simply fantastic combat scenes in space and I'd love to see more.

  • Nov. 30, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    It's going to be Fincher, you know this to be true

    by paladinryan

  • Nov. 30, 2012, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Gore Verbinski all the way...

    by P. David

    I still say the ideal choice is David Lynch—his sense of visual composition is perfect for SW—but of course, that's only a pipe dream. Verbinski has his own sense of style, but it's not so out-there that it will overpower the material.

  • Nov. 30, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST

    But what about Fincher's “20,000 Leagues Under The Sea?"

    by animatronicmojo

    Would he really put that on hold for years to do this? Will he even have a choice with Disney quibbling? Personally, I'd rather see him do what he wants to do rather than something he "might be game for," but a David Fincher-directed Star Wars would be pretty goddam cool. <BR> One thing that seems unlikely is Fincher wasting any more of his time and talent on the Dragon Tat series. I hated that re-make, mainly owing to its leaden exposition-heavy and way too rapey script. Rooney Mara was pretty good, but the air goes out of the pic when she's off screen, and the fact that she was paid squat sux.

  • Nov. 30, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Why in the world would David Lynch be interested in this?

    by animatronicmojo

    Forget the fact that, long ago after the Dune debacle, he vowed never again to be a director-for-hire, the man doesn't even seem to make films anymore. He recently told a hilarious story about meeting with Lucas at Skywalker back in the '80's, but the very idea of directing ROTJ gave him a horrible migraine. I'd gladly see another of his open-ended DIY shot-on-video experiments like Inland Empire again- Duran Duran concerts and Dior purse commercials, not so much.

  • They will take place many years after the Thrawn business. Plenty of room for growth. Now, they will likely ignore some character events, Solo kid going Dark etc... but most of it stays intact I would guess.

  • I read a few, some were excellent, some were good, some were awful.

  • Nov. 30, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST


    by P. David

    Obviously no one wants Lynch to do SW, including Lynch himself. It would be awesome, though. I feel like Lynch never had the career he should have. He is a highly undisciplined filmmaker. I admire the high-wire act aspect of Inland Empire, but I had to force myself to get through it. Maybe that means I'm not a true fan, but I do feel that Lynch works best when he is working within a structure. Also, other than The Straight Story, everything that Lynch has done since Twin Peaks feels like it's set in the Twin Peaks universe. His early work was so wonderfully eclectic. I wish he had been able to get The Secret Garden made, or Ronnie Rocket.

  • Nov. 30, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST

    The Inland Empire Strikes Back

    by animatronicmojo

    I agree, The Elephant Man is still arguable his best picture and a consummate collaboration, but I'll watch anything Lynch does (the 30-minute Dior purse commercial with Marion Cotillard is actually pretty great). <BR> I did not know that Lynch had been trying to adapt "The Secret Garden" before Agnieszka Holland's ho-hum version. <BR> Another sadly forgotten script was his and Mark Frost's "One Saliva Bubble." <BR> But this is exactly what I would love to see: for Lynch to somehow, against all odds and hope, get back to his roots and do Ronnie Rocket, his long "hibernating" true follow-up to Eraserhead. <BR> In 2009, Lynch "...expressed interest in filming the project in the same manner as Eraserhead, using a small crew, building the sets himself and living on them during the length of the production. He has also claimed that he will revisit the film when he is at the stage in his career 'when I don't really care what happens, except that the film is finished.'" <BR> We now return you to our regularly scheduled program of endless Star Wars rumors.

  • Nov. 30, 2012, 4:57 p.m. CST

    still arguably...

    by animatronicmojo

    an edit button on this site will there never be

  • Dec. 1, 2012, 7:32 a.m. CST

    I hope DISNEY set 2015 date as a way to get excited...

    by AL Green

    Ultimately I believe that they are smart enough to take a deep breath bring together the best minds check and balance the best ideas and bad idea put through trial and scrutiny before they throw what would at least be a 100 million dollar movie at the very least. Just take a deep breath think things through you have something very special, that gives people hope

  • They seem to be hitting the ground running.

  • Dec. 1, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Read Kasdan's ESB shooting script there's lots of clunkers...

    by Darth_Inedible

    Many of the "gems" are still in there, but they're surrounded by extraneous wording and lines. Check the asteroid chase pages... There's brilliant work there where you can see how Kersh and the actors removed lines and reworked phrases to sound much more natural, but managed to keep the spirit intact.

  • Dec. 1, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    George was too precious with his scripts when shooting the prequels

    by Darth_Inedible

    Really there's no reason for all the cringworthy dialogue moments in the prequels. They were there in the ESB shooting script as well, but unlike ESB George didn't allow his actors enough latitude to make it better.

  • Dec. 2, 2012, 6:18 a.m. CST

    Here's what will happen in VII, VIII & IX

    by Golly

    Luke will turn to the dark side. This is a no-brainer, it has to happen to progress the story organically; anything else would seem tacked on. The Emperor has had a masterplan from the very beginning and was NOT thwarted at the end of Jedi. He knew Vader was going to betray him and transferred his own life force into Luke when he shot the lightning into him. The Emperor transferred his consciousness into Luke and its being hiding dormant within him ever since. He did this so that he could fuse his soul with the life essence of the chosen one (Anakin), which was passed on to Luke. Some ancient Sith prophecy shit will be revealed showing that this had been planned long before the events of Phantom Menace. So the Emperor was essentially fucking with everyone for the first six films. The stakes have been raised - IT'S BACK ON. There's not a new threat to the republic or some hollow bullshit like that, it has to be a ratcheting up of the evil in the first six has to become more powerful now. You understand this, right? I'm right. Reflect on the logic of this for a while and you will come to realise how inevitable this plot point is, while we move onto something else that is guaranteed: Boba Fett will survive the sarlacc and return and exacting revenge on Han Solo will be a key factor in the trilogy. He'll play an important support role with the bad guys in orchestrating the Emperor's overarching galaxy fuck, right? Again, you can see this coming a mile away. But wait! At some point, Han will save Boba Fett's life and they'll become allies. Boba Fett will become a hero. He and Han will effectively become best buddies. Possibly this will really come into effect after Chewie is killed near the climax of Episode 8, and Han and Boba Fett will become a team in Episode 9, avenging Chewie's death as well as restoring freedom to the galaxy blah blah blah. More to come...

  • Dec. 2, 2012, 6:29 a.m. CST


    by Golly

    Continuing the stream of consciousness ideas now and I promise to God most of this horseshit will come to pass in a form very close to what I'm saying... At some point, all the old crew will be thrown together in a life and death situation, akin to when our heroes had to escape the Death Star, and it'll probably form the core of the first or second movies, just like that scene did in A New Hope. We'll have the nostalgic joy of seeing the old gang back together, fighting to save the galaxy and having a 'bad feeling about this....' But for this to feel right, they initially need to be scattered to different parts of the galaxy, so maybe, for instance, this is initially set in a period when the Republic is on the verge of mopping up the remnants of the old Empire just like the Zahn EU shit. But anyway, I don't see Lando playing a big role, more like a cameo in the trilogy, maybe when the gang is reunited in whichiver of the first two movies it is, he'll be in most of the movie, but will make reduced appearances in the other two films because frankly, no one is terribly interested in Lando fucking Calrissian. He's not much of a character, although we do remember him fondly. The droids are the droids, they'll just keep up their irritating droid antics so nothing too exciting to think about there. Chewie acts like Chewie and then is killed at the end of Ep 8, sacrifing himself like in the EU. It makes sense because there's not much more you can do with Chewie without it getting real repetitive in another 3 films and he's the perfect expendable character for them to kill off in the cliffhanger and have us all tearing up with childhood memories. After Chewie dies, Boba Fett saves Han, a little like the way Lando launched a surprise rescue of Leia and Chewie at the end of Empire after Han was lost. The same theme plays out again to manipulate us into geekgasm anticiaption of Episode 9.

  • Dec. 2, 2012, 6:46 a.m. CST


    by Golly

    Liam Neeson will be back. Almost certainly as a force ghost, but something will happen with the force that causes or enables dead Jedi and Sith to manifest in the living dimension, kinda like when the ghosts take over New York at the end of Ghostbusters. This allows for the rturn of Darth Maul, so we have the fun of seeing perhaps an old Luke having to fight Darth Maul in his prime and it's all like "Holy Fuck, old Luke is no match for Darth Maul in his prime." Very possibly, we'll see a final showdown in Episode 9 in which Obi Wan - Ewan McGregor style - Liam Neeson and Luke do battle with the Sith. Yoda might show up for this too, though I'm not really looking forward to seeing him again. Now it could be all changed around because Luke has turned to the dark side/turned into the Super Emperor (as mentioned two posts ago), so we actually have Luke/Super Emperor fighting Anakin forceghost and now its Anakin's turn to turn Luke back from the dark side. So Anakin will restore balance to the force once and for all. However they work this out, someone has to become Darth Vader again. But - and this I promise - the Vader suit will be aupgraded to create a new iconic look, it'll be Vader 2.0....maybe half Emperor/half Vader or somehow part Luke, part Vader. part Emperor. The Super Emperor. Now the end game of the new trilogy and the future of the Star Wars franchise depends on their being a helluva lot more Sith in the galaxy as the movies conintue indefinitely. So the endgame will probably be allowing all the dead Sith Lords to re-manifest and take over the galaxy with Super Emperor ruling over them all. Work in progress, fuck it, that's enough for now, I'll get more specific later.

  • Dec. 2, 2012, 6:59 a.m. CST


    by Golly

    You want Liam Neeson, Samuel Jackson, Ewan McGregor and Luke (or Anakin) fighting Darth Maul, Darth Vader, the Emperor and some new very kickass Sith Lords. And some hot new chick Jedis like Jessica Alba (she'd be perfect like in Dark Angel). Then get Chewie killed and team Han up with Boba Fett. What are they gonna do with Leia? Well she'll need to lose a helluva lot of weight for starters. Han and her have had a kid or kids of course and these precocious shits will unfortunately be the ones the new trilogy is largely based around, passing the baton and all that crap. So I guess the kid will have to be threatened by the dark side. Not a kid, he or she will be 30 or so. Make it Jessica Alba and make her an apprentice Jedi - just get Jessica Alba and fucking do it. I don't see Leia doing much really, since Carrie Fisher's lost her sex appeal and isn't likely to get too physical. Maybe she's a Jedi of some kind, which would mean Han must have matured and be a much deeper character as a result....this would be a reason why Harrison Ford would be interested in returning to play him. Actually, I think we're going to find that Han himself has latent Jedi powers and we'll have a scene where Obi McGregor reminds him of his comment in A New Hope that 'there's no mysterious energy field guiding my destiny' and Obi Guinesss rolling his eyes in amusement at Han's naivete. Han having to reach deep within himself at the end of Episode 9 to find the force at a pivotal moment to rescue the others. Yes, that's it. Harrison Ford would be the big name to return so it'll essentially be HIS story in one sense, so having Han find his faith in the Force would a satisfying resolution for his character at the end of the final film, kinda like when Indy says in Temple of Doom about the Sankara stones "I understand their power now."

  • Dec. 2, 2012, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Lando needs pussy

    by Golly

    Calrissian will be some kind of aministrator or senator or whatever at the start of the trilogy...he'll be in a position of responsibility, and he'll have had a wife but she's been dead for several years, killed by some representative of the Empire or the new emerging threat that is secretly being manipualted by the Emperor (who is possessing Luke). Lando's wife will have been dead for a few years so we know a) he's heterosexual, to make all the Oprah fans swoon, and b) so we can get some plot mileage out of Lando finding a new romance, getting some space pussy. But black men can't screw white women in Jewish-owned Hollywood, it's just a rule, so that leaves Lando with the option of nailing some black ass (completely unlikely since there's few black people in the Star Wars galaxy and it'd seem racist for him to find one) or SOME ASIAN ASS. MAJOR PLOT SPOLIER: Lando will have a romance with an asian woman in the new trilogy. Beyond that, who cares, fuck Lando, he's boring and irrelevant.

  • Dec. 2, 2012, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Mace Windu killed Jango Fett

    by Golly

    So Mace Windu will reappear as a force ghost at some point and what better time or place than in the presence of Boba Fett, since they went to pains to show child Boba Fett witnessing his fathers decapitation at the hands of Samuel L Jackson. Since we know Han has latent force powers and will play an important role in the destiny of the universe, it would make sense for Mace Windu's force ghost to re-emerge in front of Boba Fett at the moment Boba Fett is about to exact revenge on Han from putting him in the saralcc's belly. Mace Windu's appearance will completely distract Boba Fett from killing Han because he has an even deeper desire to exact revenge on Windu for killing his father than he does toward Solo. This distraction will gave cornered Han a chance to escape and possibly Windu will than trap Boba Fett in a cave or something by manuevring a boulder to block the entrance, so that Boba Fett, consumed withg hatred for Windu is now trapped in a fucking cave with his force ghost. Then Samuel L Jackson says to Fett "Lets talk about your hatred" and the dramatic music comes up as we wipe-fade to another scene. See how that sets it up nicely so that Fett can repappear and SAVE han at a key moment later in the film after he's had a spiritual awakening? OR...after Han escapes and sees that Windu has trapped Fett in the cave (presumably forever), Han hears Boba Fett's howls of panic (remembering his sarlacc nightmare) and can't leave him to a similar fate again and reluctantly goes back and bargains with Mace Windu's ghost for him to be freed. Samuel l Jackson and Harrison Ford could share a cool force heavy scene at the mouth of a cave on Dagobah or soemthing. A big cathartic moment and Boba Fett is freed and becomes Han's best buddy like a dragon with a splinter removed from it's paw. Or at least he remembers Solo's kindness in freeing him, and Boba Fett then spends time with Windu as Han fucks off the planet. So it's setup for spiritual Fett to reappear later ostensibly to finally kill Han but then having a change of heart and actually saving him (pretty much just after Chewie bites the dust at the end of Ep 8)

  • Dec. 2, 2012, 7:42 a.m. CST

    So its all coming together...

    by Golly

    Lando's character arc will primarily be about getting himself a piece of Asian space-ass. Lando learns to fall in love again, in Oprah language. There's NO FUCKING WAY Chewie will have a fmaily. They WILL NOT remind anyone of the Star Wars Christmas Special IN ANY FUCKING WAY SHAPE OR FORM. Therefore Chewie's character arc can only be to be Chewie and bark and growl before whimpering in a sympathetic way and then sacrificing himself for the greater good. Chewie's holding up some scaffolding or a ipe as water is flodding into a chamber and Han realises the only way the others can live is if Chewie drowns and they have a moving scene where Han says goodbye to his best friend, like when Chewie was stroking him tenderly in Jabba's jail. Awwwwww. Droids have no character arc, they just do their usual droid shit. Han's character arc revolves around finding faith in the force. More on that later. Leia's still a bit of a mystery to me...I doubt they'll want to make her too central to the trilogy due to the fact that she's an old woman like it would be foolish to make a new Superman movie and cast Margot Kidder as Lois Lane again. She'll be more attuned to the force and have a kid or two to dispense wise words of advice to. A few scenes of feisty bickering with Han like in the old days , and more worried looks about the welfare of the other characters off doing interesting things than anything else. No more metal bikinis for Leia. So we need to talk about Han and we need to talk about Luke. And we'll do that soon....

  • Dec. 2, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    All wrong. Unless your psychic, cram that noise!

    by Dan

  • Dec. 2, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Old Age is Great for Fine Wine...

    by tailhook

    for Writers it often makes them go sour.

  • Dec. 3, 2012, 3:06 a.m. CST


    by Golly

    When you master the capacity for analysis and original creative thought, re-ring the doorbell. Until then, shut the fuck up you tedious dweeb.

  • Trust me, I've tried ! :-(

  • Dec. 4, 2012, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Kasdan.. check... let's just get David Fincher signed now.

    by SunTzu77