Nov. 22, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST
... making up a generic country rather than list and try to justify an existing one. Juggling China and North Korea as invading candidates just doesn't work to me and maybe that's because I am surrounded by peaceful Chinese and South Koreans here in Vancouver, BC. I don't know if I'll be able to accept this movie even though I am a fan of Hemsworth and enjoyed the original Red Dawn to a point.
Nov. 22, 2012, 2:38 p.m. CST
Fucking hell, what will it be like when the North Koreans join in, they don't even like the West.
Nov. 22, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST
by Feral Colon
And I'm pretty sure you're mistaking South Korea for North Korea.
Nov. 22, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST
by Gary Makin
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by Hardboiled Wonderland
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There was absolutely no need for that change.
Nov. 22, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST
by James Robinson
... not that proofreading should get in the way of shilling for yet another shit film on AICN. I mean... it's not like it happens all year long or anything.. right? I'm just sayin'
Nov. 22, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST
Will they get blown up whilst at weddings like the terrorist, insurgent scum they are?
Nov. 22, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST
Are you next going to thank Chairman Mao for Pearl Harbor? Just saying :P
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by mr teaspoon
Nov. 22, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST
Doubt it. Think you mean North Koreans since SK is our allay and we have 30,000 troops stationed there and immense intelligence and armed forces that can detect if someone sneezes let alone plans to invade N. America. Really dude, crack a book !
Nov. 22, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST
I mean literally dig them both up. They had to delay the release to digitally change the Chinese to North Koreans. Why not digitally bring those two back to life? Or you could use the Kim Jong Il puppet from Team America. That would certainly improve the film as well. And South Korea? Sheesh. I'm not the most knowledgeable human being when it comes to geography and politics, but I know that North Korea is the oppressor in this film.
Nov. 22, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST
South Korea????? Is Capone actually Sarah Palin in disguise? Or was this actually written by evil doppelganger 'Capoen', as the home page had it listed until a few minutes ago? The first casualty of war...is illiteracy.
Nov. 22, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST
Jesus, if you don't know the fucking difference between North and South Korea, you've got no business talking about fucking anything. I mean, fucking nothing. For fucks sake Capone get a clue, or get someone who has a fucking clue to proof read this shit. I know that's something new to AICN, but you're supposed to be journalists for fucks sake. Act like one. Jesus.
Nov. 22, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST
Been about american insurgents fighting american forces of a tyrantical regime . 49% of the us would have loved it. An im not buying hesworth replacing swayze, even though I dig thor. Or peeta replacing CT Howell. Im not even sure if these remakes wouldnt do better with stunt casting. Harry dean and C Thomas need work, as does jennifer grey. ANY ILL USE ANY EXCUSE TO SEE LEA THOMPSON And wheres hugh jackman-? WOLVERINES!
Nov. 22, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST
South Korea (A) doesn't want to, (B) can't anyway. North Korea (A) might want to (B) can't anyway. Might as well just make the enemy from some fictional country of Commie-istan and get it over with. That said, Capone needs a proofreader.
Nov. 22, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST
What really angers me is that Capone & co are advertising themselves as journalists. And he's talking about how "an invasion by South Korea seems far less possible or likely than one from Russia". So from day one he hasn't even bothered doing the most straightforward fucking research about the movie. Put it this way; why the fuck should I take him seriously as a critic if he can't even be arsed to get something so basic right???
Nov. 22, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST
doesnt work with the nk, cuz it wasnt supposed to be the nk...was supposed to be the chinese but oops...chinese love hollywood films now...so that was out also worked because of it taking place in the heartland and echoing visions of the dust bowl milius knew what he was doing, as did the wingnut backers of the movie this was an attempt at a cash grab as reboots continue to fail, will hollywood ever get the message?
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THAT would have made far more sense. Weak-kneed studio execs changed it senselessly.
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fucking hell, what a shitty site this has become
Nov. 22, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST
invade its own bathrooms. A nation who cannot even feed its people invades the US ? Yeah, right. Hollyweird is full of morons - and yet the mindless sheep keep buying the tickets.
Nov. 22, 2012, 4:59 p.m. CST
SOUTH Koreans ? IDIOT.
Nov. 22, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST
by Jared Syn
They look the same, after all.
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Nov. 22, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST
Is this review based on a bad wikipedia edit or something?
Nov. 22, 2012, 6:18 p.m. CST
So annoyed I can't even be arsed to actually critique the film. The whole idea of a land invasion of the United States is just so fucking absurd it's ludicrous - but it's hard to even begin to talk substance when a so-called film journalist can't even be bothered to look at a map. There are people on this thread who are totally dependent upon others for their every waking moment, who surf this site with straws attached to the head to hit the keyboard, who are in constant near-vegetative states, who know the difference between South Korea. Even creepythinman knows the difference between North and South Korea.
Nov. 22, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST
by Mike Z
South Koreans ...seriously? Why not review the Lord of the Rings trilogy and let us all know how the Klingons were going to assault Helms Deep. Or how the Cylons were going to make sure they had a fully operational Death Star in Return of the Jedi. Bad enough the film changed the original more believable villians from Chinese to North Koreans but you sit here and screw it up twice in your review.
Nov. 22, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST
by rakesh patel
Really people. Priorities man.
Nov. 22, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST
If it was just a typo, then the review should be edited to reflect the correct information. Fun fact: The villains in this remake were originally the Chinese, but at the last second they were changed to North Koreans. While it makes more sense that NK would try to invade us than SK, it's still not likely. From what I understand, the country is impoverished, and the military is not strong enough. The reason the original worked was because at the time, the threat was realistic. It's something that could've happened, but it wouldn't work if you just plugged in any random bad guy. This remake is a joke, and I'll take the original anytime. Good day.
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by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 22, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST
You just love finding every chance to take a dig at Reagan and that era. Maybe some of what happened was paranoia, but the threat was real whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Reagan, while not perfect, still stands as one of the best Presidents this country has ever seen. At least the man was a true American who believed in the greatest ideas and principles of this country, and not the FRAUD Marxist that that piece of shit Obama is.
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give me a break. ask eastern europe what kind of "paranioa" communist domination was. or other parts of the world. were the soviets going to invade the u.s.? of course not. but was the longer-range threat real? of course. anyway, the original red dawn was a product of its time- it can't really be replicated today. it was nothing more than some airhead fun, but there was enough of a hint of a threat - especially after the disaster of the carter years - that who knew? maybe someday, the soviets just might be strong enough - and the u.s. weak enough - that they might try it... but again, that was just a shred of a possibility. just barely enough to make a fun movie...
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We've borrowed a ton of money from the bastards in the past twelve years of Bush and Obama, and Barack and Ben Bernanke are printing dollars like mad so they can pay the Chicoms back with monopoly money. "Red Dawn II" is what happens when we find out that the country that invented the abacus and gunpowder doesn't like getting stiffed by a bunch of criminal Baby Boomer politicians. NEVER fuck with a country whose banking system underwrites the Triads.
Nov. 22, 2012, 8:52 p.m. CST
Capone may be engaging in hidden sarcasm. "South Korea" highlights how implausible the whole thing is, anyway. Not caring to change it is like saying, "like it matters?" to the audience. Check the clue, in the heading in the homepage, it's North Korea, not South Korea. This may well be intentional. And even if it isn't, it's poetic justice that it came out that way.
Nov. 22, 2012, 9:40 p.m. CST
by Dan Anthony
We got an article on Thanksgiving. Plus he's prolly already three sheets to the wind!
Nov. 22, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST
He referenced South Korea multiple times in the article, so it clearly wasn't a typo.
Nov. 22, 2012, 10:59 p.m. CST
While the whole North Korea thing is pretty implausible (and the "Red Chinese" it was altered from would likewise be implausible, considering we are that nation's number one customer and invading us would be akin to taking its own economy and wiping its ass with it before setting it on fire and wishing its own population "good luck in the Hell of the Upside-Down Sinners"), few people seem to remember that, in the scenario of the original, the RUSSIANS were not actually the ones who invaded us -- it was actually a Soviet-backed CUBAN invasion, with the Russkies only showing up later, when the Wolverines fucked up the original occupation. And at that point, considering that Russia was pretty much getting its ass handed to it by Afghanistan -- a country that had a lot less technology, educated people or proper weapons to fend off the largest army on Earth -- even THEM invading the U.S. seemed a bit ludicrous.</p><p> I agree with gmakin: we should definitely be a lot more worried about what AMERICA is gonna end up doing to America than any outside force. Google "FEMA Camps" or "NSA Utah" sometime and wonder why a) FEMA is being given a landmark budget and land grants to build camps (at a moment's notice) to house over 100 million people on U.S. soil, b) the NSA is building the biggest listening post in history in Utah, capable of monitoring and recording literally every conversation and e-mail on Earth (so big, in fact, they actually had to invent and build a jaw-dropping super-computer system just to support it) and c) why the Department of the Treasury recently purchased a landmark amount of hollow point bullets, ammunition that has been outlawed by the Geneva Convention, and something like an estimated six rounds for every man, woman and child in the United States. Scary shit. I'm probably on some kind of FBI watchlist now.
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST
It's another Young Adult novel written by an Aussie. He plagiarized Red Dawn, setting his version in Australia. In Tomorrow WTWB a nameless Asian country invades a northern Australian port city, unlike Red Dawn where Russia nukes 15-20 major US cities using commercial airliners with nukes in their baggage hold. (and Condi Rice said no one ever thought of using commercial aircraft to attack the USA?) In Tomorrow WTWB a group of teens and a man in his 20s start a resistance cell to fight the invading force. I suspect someone at MGM wanted to buy the rights to the novel, or just decided not to pay the money and rip-off the books variations on the old Red Dawn plot. Tomorrow When The War Began was made into a Australian Theatrical Movie released in 2010, had was on The Movie Channel a few weeks ago.-----later------m
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:21 p.m. CST
Get a life you fvcking tard
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:46 p.m. CST
by Norman Colson
they'll be blown to kingdom come it'll have to be a small guerilla terrorist cell or some shit like that.
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:51 p.m. CST
I probably want the 2012 actors to get killed off (i mean, Josh Peck, Josh Hutcherson...who gives a fuck?) but no one wants to see Jennifer Grey and Lea Thompson get offed. Not even Sheen, Howell and Swayze.
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:58 p.m. CST
Suck my balls, you tin-foil hat wearing BIRTHER
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Nov. 23, 2012, 1:07 a.m. CST
likely and believable in 2012. It's an idea 100% of the country can get behind.
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Though I guess it juxtaposes well with an equally awful movie.
Nov. 23, 2012, 2:08 a.m. CST
He's normally a pretty good wordsmith. The SK/NK fuck up is not in his nature. I bet Capone needed the column inches and just wrote it up without seeing i. Or after just watching the trailers/scenes that are being dragged around all the late night talk-show slots.
Nov. 23, 2012, 2:23 a.m. CST
..they could changed it with any Asian country invading the US. As long as the bad guy looked vaguely Oriental, Americans by-and-large won't know the difference. Stupid holiday-film-going crowds don't know the difference between Jap/NK/Chinese, etc when the actors are on film. All most film-going tards see is 'slant eye' vs Americans. 99% of the popcorn eaters won't give a shit. All scenarios are equally impossible. No country has the muscle to invade the US. Not even China. It was equally as ridiculous to suggest Russia could invade the US in the original. But due to the Geo-political climate at the time, it worked. When I was filming in Detroit just down the street from the new Red Dawn sets, and I saw the Chinese stars on the vehicles, and stood in line to buy chow behind guys dressed as Chinese soldiers...I just thought 'Yeah, right...' They should have just left it alone.
Nov. 23, 2012, 5:38 a.m. CST
...once you factor in the dozens of secret underground bunkers that pepper the North Korean landscape, filled with row upon row of billions of North Korean clone troopers held in suspended animation, all armed to the teeth with state-of-the-art 1960s weaponry. And they're bringing the East Koreans and the West Koreans with them. See, you didn't even **know** about those guys! Those guys are so secretive that their entire countries are secret underground bunkers that aren't on any map. Seriously, those guys are gonna fuck you up once their alarm clocks go off.
Nov. 23, 2012, 6:21 a.m. CST
by Adam D. Kline
"South Koreans"... My goddamn 8 year old niece knows the differences between both countries. Put down that bloated dick you're smoking and use your fucking head.
Nov. 23, 2012, 6:39 a.m. CST
It's hilarious what they come up with. And Capone is one of them. It's actually pretty unique that when the USA bombs something, they bomb the right country.
Nov. 23, 2012, 6:57 a.m. CST
Yes, even if that "right" country is an ally (Pakistan) or one you haven't declared war on (Cambodia). Well done, USA. Then again, you're bound to bomb the "right" country when you're at war with most of the world most of the time.
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by Doug Phillips
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by Feral Colon
If you had any sense, you'd know that China is just as implausible. Not because they are not a superpower, which they are, but because attacking and invading other countries is not a part of it's history. Yes, they invaded Japan, like a million years go. But they never colonized any overseas territories in their long, storied history. In a nutshell, China prefers to stay at home, because they're the fucking bomb and fuck everyone else.
Nov. 23, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST
Cold-War movies can only make sense as geopolitical mirrors of the times in which they are made. Even stupid ones like Red Dawn. That is why the PERIOD remake of 'Tinker-Tailor, Soldier, Spy' was a bloody masterpiece and this will be rubbish. You can't force historical concerns onto current history.
Nov. 23, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST
@Feral Colon - I admit that my Chinese history is rather rusty, but just because a country didn't do something at certain points in their history doesn't mean they aren't now. There are some who'd argue that China is colonizing Africa, sending many workers there to exploit it of its resources (in whatever African country). China is expanding its global military reach with subs and aircraft carriers. So yeah, China is very much out of its borders. There's no doubt in my mind that if the Chinese government felt the need to attack another country, including the US, they'd do so.
Nov. 23, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST
INVASION USA was funnier.
Nov. 23, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST
Geezus H! Get it over with already. Oh wait! Maybe you can still save it by making the North and/or South Koreans Zombie Hobbits.
Nov. 23, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST
Mainly because, until recently, part of fucking CHINA was technically a "colony" of the British Empire, hence the deleination "Red China" for every other part that wasn't owned by somebody else. As for being a "superpower", the Red Chinese's only major strength is numbers, not weapons or technology. At this point, the major reason no one has really messed with China, aside from the admittedly-impressive amount of ground troops it could deploy are its allies: Russia and the single biggest democracy (and nuclear power) on Earth: India.
Nov. 23, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST
by Michael Tyree
...we had one already, thank you very much. More killed Americans than all our other wars combined. So, yeah, keep it up with that utterly stupid notion and remember that we have thousands of nuclear weapons in our national (see: UNITED States) inventory. Would we use them on each other? You bet your un-American teabag asses we would. Idiots...pure and simple. On topic: North Korea (even un-intentionally)? Really? North Korea...like some said above, couldn't invade their own asses. Even if they could manage to sneak some paratroops in, how are they going handle the logistics of supporting them? Better to have used Iranians as they at least have deep water ships (see: fat targets). It's still a ridiculous idea that any other nation on this planet could pull off an invasion of the US mainland. At least it made a bit of sense when it was the Soviet Union. Ah well, I'll wait for this on home video when there will be absolutely nothing else on just to check out the action. Y'know, kinda like when the REAL Red Dawn is showing.
Nov. 23, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST
by Feral Colon
Hong Kong not mainland China was a colony of the British Empire. That lasted 150 years or so. So are you discounting world history prior to 1850, dynasties that spanned centuries? The Middle Kingdom, old name for China, literally means the centre of the world. China believes itself as the highest form of civilisation. So why step outside? The country is huge, diverse - and extremely difficult to govern. Its rulers are far less interested in seeking to dominate the rest of the world and far more concerned with keeping themselves in power. They've seen civilizations come and go over millenia and therefore are not concerned expanding their reach outside of their borders. Just a funny sidenote to this old and patient country and culture. Henry Kissinger is reputed to have asked Zhou En Lai, the former Chinese premier, what he thought of the French Revolution. Zhou En Lai's response: "It's too early to know". So when you say that China doesn't colonize other countries because up until recently they themselves were colonized, you are right, if you disregard all of history prior to the American Civil War.
Nov. 23, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST
by Feral Colon
His North/South slip up doesn't surprise me in the least. Laziest writer on AICN.
Nov. 23, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST
I thought we WERE counting "now", as in, the scenario originally presented by the RED DAWN remake. And I'm talking about Red China/China, not empirical China. If we were discussing historical empires, we might as well have Italy or Great Britain invading the U.S.</p><p> Also, speaking of China, ironically, they would be the central reason WE haven't taken outright military against either Iran (their central oil supplier) or North Korea. I say "ironically" because, a) even though the makers of the RED DAWN remake altered the invading country's origins, it would still be an invasion endorsed by China and b) considering everyone and their brother knows that they digitally altered the country of origin so as not to offend the Chinese film market ... don't you think CHINA is also aware of this?!?
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by Michael Tyree
You could learn more by gettin' out there and livin'...you're tormenting your eyes with that rubbish. Paradin's better. Paradin' the streets! Bowling along! Living! When was the last time you gave a girl a pink-edged daisy? When did you last embarrass a sheila with your cool, appraising stare? ...you could be out there, betrayin' a rich American widow, sippin' palm wine in Tahiti...before you're old, like me.
Nov. 23, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST
Harry sets poor standards for his crew. If the guy that created and runs the site is incapable of writing a coherent sentence, who do you think he is going to surround himself with? That being said, this review isn't really all that bad... Still, I don't understand why nearly everyone on this site frames their reviews with their own childhood memories and anecdotes. A review or critique is supposed to be based upon the work and how it makes you feel, not on how your feelings affect what you're viewing.
Nov. 23, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST
only in the movies.
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No need to bring it up three hundred times.
Nov. 23, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST
i never saw the original, it always looked stupid to me, but i was so curious about this movie that i had to see it and i was completely surprised that i enjoyed it
Nov. 23, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST
If ever I doubted that this site and some of it's reviewers treat some movies from certain studios better than others when it comes to reviews then this very restrained softball review confirms it in spades. A retarded 7 year old kid can look at the basic premise of this movie; the fact that they filmed it in 2009 but haven't bothered to release it until 2012; and the god awful shitty trailers and easily see that this is a shit fest of epic, perhaps even biblical proportions. The original Red Dawn was pretty stupid too but at least the invader in that film, the Soviet Union, was at the very least a global super power. North Korea???? North Korea couldn't drop their pants and shove their own finger up their ass. And the trailers for this shit can only be described as cringe worthy. The powers that be probably delayed the release of this turd for fear of destroying Hemsworths career before Thor and The Avengers could be released. And that's not a joke because it's probably true. Yet 90% of this review talks positively about trivial shit like how well some of the action sequences are choreographed. Really? How about the credits scroll at the end Capone? Were the color of the letters pretty and all aranged into actual words thus giving us a strong reason to consider seeing this movie? LOL! Lord have fucking mercy!
Nov. 23, 2012, 3:10 p.m. CST
by Jarrete Barnett
That was to be expected. Pretty boys retaliating against a foreign threat no one is actually worried about. (Not much different from what I've seen of the original.)
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Nov. 23, 2012, 4:20 p.m. CST
by Michael Tyree
...and I was hoping someone would pick up on that bit of dialogue by Paul McCartney's grandpa in "A Hard Day's Night." "There ya are with yer great hooter, bangin' away on those skins!" I am, of course, a bookworm from way back. Oh yeah...GO WOLVERINES!
Nov. 23, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST
Colonel Bella is not a cardboard villain. There's more depth to the '84 RED DAWN villains than to the protagonists of most action films of today. Heck, there's more depth to the fucking MAYOR in the '84 RED DAWN - a four-line bit part - than there is to the protagonists of most action films of today. Or to Jennifer Grey's rancher grandparents. Basically hating the '84 version just means you were an 80's left winger and can't judge the film on its own merits. There's some shlock to it, sure, but there are too many well-done individual elements to call it a bad film. It's a cult classic for a reason.
Nov. 23, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST
We have two huge oceans to the east and west, subarctic wasteland to the north, and a bottleneck to the south, below which is miles and miles of impassable jungle. The logistics of getting men and equipment to North America makes an invasion highly unlikely. The Russkies, devious tacticians that they are, know this and have opted to corrupt America from the inside by infiltrating the media, universities, and government. Most of you aren't even aware of this because you were raised in government schools and fed a steady diet of left wing media and entertainment. By the time your radical leftist professors were done with you, the idea of electing and re-electing America's first Marxist president was a no-brainer (and I mean that in the truest sense of the word).
Nov. 23, 2012, 4:51 p.m. CST
Interesting parallel to the left wingers who threatened (promised?) to leave when Bush was re-elected, only to realize that most of the rest of the world is comprised of stagnant socialist states, third world hellholes dominated by petty tyrants, and Muslim theocrats who stone to death homosexuals and Christians alike.
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You dropped your tinfoil hat. Be sure to staple on next time.
Nov. 23, 2012, 5:03 p.m. CST
Read some JR Nyquist. The Soviet Union didn't go anywhere. And if you don't recognize the infiltration of Marxism into American society you're either a product of it or too young to see the radical changes in the last thirty years.
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by Dr. Chim Richalds
Even when I was a kid, I knew the original was just a trashy action movie that was completely implausible. It's funny that some appear to think it's politically significant (or that it can at least be used to make a valid political point). I'm so sick of Cold War-loving morons talking about Communism and Marxism as if those are actual threats in this day and age. The fact that the villains were changed is actually evidence of the triumph of capitalism, since it was designed to increase the film's box office.
Nov. 23, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST
the angst ridden enemy...the pathos...just imagine Wolverines as Taliban. I'm from UK so no agenda here folks, just occurred to me watching the swaize fighting from caves and mountain tops...
Nov. 23, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST
That's because it essentially was meant to be the Taliban (or, at the time, the rebels fighting in Afghanistan who would one day become the Taliban, with maybe a bit of the Viet-Cong thrown in). Milius essentially transposed the fighting in Afghanistan at the time to America, imagining more or less the same results. Except the actual outcome in Afghanistan was that it cost the Soviet Union so much to occupy the country that it eventually helped to bring down the entire nation.
Nov. 23, 2012, 6:18 p.m. CST
It boils down to who you are funded/backed by. Look on a map, and look at the size difference of China and Japan. Japan took over half of China, not a small feat, but who were they backed by in WWII? Look how Small Israel is compared to the Middle East. Who are they backed by now. I'm a Goddamn American, but don't delude yourself my friends. Do some history research on WWI, and you will realize peoples assumptions don't mean shit. Size and money do not matter when countries start banding together. Ever played Risk? Movie looks lame, and should not have been remade.
yeah.... reminded of Rambo 3 watching it too... was aware of Milius' political bent behind SOME of the scenes in the film, but (I guess) its always different looking back with the historical context we have that the film makers didn't.
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Sorry, about that :)
Nov. 23, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST
Too bad he was only in it for 20 minutes.
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Many hooked up with Europeans and lived most of the time outside the USA. They include: Johnny Depp-hooked up with a woman from France Ashley Judd-Dario Francitti from Scotland Jennifer Connolly-Paul Bentley of England Gweneth Paltrow-Coldplay singer Chris Martin from England Another big one was Michael Douglas. He lived in the Bahamas with Catherine Zeta Jones and their young children from 2001 until 2009. In 2009 they moved to NYC so Douglas could do Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps, and CZT did a Broadway musical.-----later----m
Nov. 23, 2012, 8:28 p.m. CST
The original holds up still today. Not going to waste my time.
Nov. 23, 2012, 8:42 p.m. CST
As soon as the film gets you over the hump of the very idea of the Russians invading to begin with, it just goes about and tells its own little guerrilla war tale set against that grander backdrop, and it does so without pandering or winking at the audience. It is definitely one of Milius' most under-rated and under appreciated films, and a film that makes me sad that his career pretty much sputtered and died after this film came out. I mean there was still good work, the very much under-rated Farewell to the King, scripts for Walter Hill's Extreme Prejudice and Geronimo, as well as for Clear & Present Danger, writing and directing the little seen cable movie Rough Riders, helping get HBOs Rome off the ground...but for the most part the age of Milius kind of died somewhere in the mid eighties, and contempories like Walter Hill wouldn't be far behind. The remake looks like just another generic paint by numbers effort that is merely horse trading on the back of the name of a previous film, in the hopes of some quick box office, without actually adding anything in terms or current relevance, plot or character. I'll pass.
Nov. 23, 2012, 10:26 p.m. CST
phantomcreepsreturns: read my last post; I pointed out that China and, possibly, India would have backed an invasion by North Korea (one of the reasons we're cutting off North Korea's Scotch supply with sanctions and not just walking in there with an Iraq invasion-sized military presence). Also, like I said in the last post, if everybody else on Earth knows the invading force was meant to be China and not North Korea originally ... doesn't fucking CHINA know that, too? It would be akin to releasing "BLACK MIDNIGHT", where all the black people in the U.S. suddenly decide to murder and et all the white people, the studio suddenly going "Hey, if we release it like this, black people won't go see it!" and digitally altering all the rampaging black people to resemble zombies just before releasing it. Everybody knows they're still intended to be black people, whether they're digitally-altered or not. The question becomes, should black people still be offended?</p><p> As for everyone who keeps insisting that the Soviets invaded the U.S. in the original RED DAWN, WATCH THE GODDAMN MOVIE AGAIN!!! It's a Soviet-backed CUBAN invasion. The head bad guy who finally comes around and tries to talk everybody out of occupying the town is a CUBAN GENERAL. You don't actually see any Soviet troops until the last act of the movie. In fact, the whole invasion plan is that missiles and planes get launched from CUBA (echoes of the Cuban Missile Crisis), and that's what took the U.S. by surprise.
Nov. 23, 2012, 11:20 p.m. CST
You stick to your nutter "authors" like Nyquist meanwhile I'll be off enjoying reality.
Nov. 24, 2012, 1:46 a.m. CST
That's why its quality of life is much higher and its crime is much lower. Canada is in the sweet spot between free market capitalism and socialism. The US is outside the sweet spot, with major areas of its economy suffering from market failure because the state does certain key things better than the free market does, most obviously healthcare. The US is wedded to ideology, and its intransigence makes it inefficient. Still does very well because its strong areas (high tech in particular) are phenomenal. But it carries lots of dead weight such as the health insurance industry, which extracts money while creating no wealth. (Major parts of Wall St do the same.)
Nov. 24, 2012, 1:49 a.m. CST
Jennifer Connolly-Paul Bentley of England
Nov. 24, 2012, 1:49 a.m. CST
And then she dumped Bentley for Paul Bettany, who was richer and more famous.
Nov. 24, 2012, 1:52 a.m. CST
Teabagger: America is actually more Conservative (even under Obama) than most 1st world nations. Yep. 'Socialist' Obama would be considered comfortably right wing by most other nations on the planet. He's further to the right than former Republican presidents such as Eisenhower, Nixon and Ford, certainly.
Nov. 24, 2012, 2:23 a.m. CST
Ronald Reagan being a good President is a complete myth. The trickle down economics of Reagan, that we have been under the past thirty years have ruined the nation's economy and weakened the middle class. Because of Ronald Reagan the Republican Party is run by a bunch of nut jobs, instead of being the moderate right wing party that it was 40-50 years ago. Ronald Reagan invited racists, gun fanatics, and religious fanatics into the Republican Party. Ronald Reagan ruined the party that Lincoln built.
Nov. 24, 2012, 2:40 a.m. CST
but the premise of the Soviet Union and Cuba infiltrating through Texas and the Mid West to parts of the West was just ludicrous. First off if they did infiltrate and put weapons at certain locations, they still wouldn't be able just to fly in and parachute down without the US Military annihilating them. Besides that terrible premise, it was a solid action movie of a what if scenario of the Soviets invading. For you right wingers, the Cold War was coming to an end in the 80's. The Soviet Union was already crumbling from within. The paranoia stirred up by Reagan and other Republicans, was just used as a distraction to get The American Public to not pay attention to all the right wing economic policies that the Republicans had put in place. Let me say this if you think the Cold War was intense during the 80's then you are a complete moron. In 1985 when I was 5 going on 6 and first learned about the Cold War stuff and was fed all this bullshit that the Soviet Union was such a threat, I figured out at 6 years old that the paranoia about the Soviet Union in the 80's was coming from paranoid nut jobs.
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Nov. 24, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST
Get a life you fvking tard. I can see picture you now...350+ lbs of sh*t with a one-inch fuse playing World of Warcraft in your Mom's basement while you collect unemployment checks.
Nov. 24, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST
Here in Europe almost evey country is WAY more socialist than Obama's US. not saying that's a good thing per sé..it has it's up and downsides.
Nov. 24, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST
Can't even be bothered to just talk about a Goddamn movie anymore, it always devolves into some stupid political BS. Can we just talk about fuckin movies anymore? Fuck this site & the retards it attracts. Capone I seriously love your reviews, they are usually my favorites along side Quints. Having said that... yeah man please proofread better, it's so annoying when there's 20 idiotic posts about a typo. A typo you really should've caught. Otherwise great review
Nov. 24, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST
by Joe Damiani
"The first casualty of war...is illiteracy. " wouldn't ending illiteracy be a good thing?
Nov. 24, 2012, 7:08 p.m. CST
but it was big, dumb fun. This one looks awful and takes itself too seriously. I'll pass. Also, I'm not buying Hemsworth as a "standard" leading man yet. His sledgehammer delivery just isn't suited for drama. Action adventure... yes. Drama... not so much.
Nov. 24, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST
Nov. 24, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST
No one noticed Capone's other major goof. He said if this movie came out when it was supposed to it would have come out AFTER Cabin In The Woods and BEFORE Thor. Well, when was that? In some kind of spac time continuum vacuum? Capone. Dude. Seriously. Proofread. Please. I have actually defended you a few times here and it's gotten so embarassing that I don't even bother anymore. Keep it up and people are going to start compariong you to Harry. You don't want that. Also, I've liked Hemsworth in just about everything I've seen him in but every line delivery in the trailer to this movie coming out of his mouth has me cringing with embarassment for him. Seriously
Nov. 24, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST
Nov. 24, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST
Not before Thor. WELL BEFORE Thor
Nov. 24, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST
the fresh air will do you good.
Nov. 24, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST
..is it supposed to mean that Hemsworth made this before Thor and after he made Cabin in the Woods? Certainly CITW was made at least a year before Thor if memory serves, but came out quite a bit later? (Checks Wikipedia.) Yeah, that's correct. Hemsworth shot CITW in early 2009, shot Red Dawn in late 2009, shot Thor early 2010.
Nov. 25, 2012, 2:05 a.m. CST
It occurs to me that the many people posting from the right and left would benefit from auditing a few history courses and perhaps followup with political science and some international relations. Some of the 'I know better than everyone else' crap followed by the 'here is my weak argument' are hilarious. As for this film, I am not sure the premise ports from the late 20th century to the post Cold War, 21st century, very well. That is why it is such an odd choice for a remake. I would have much rather seen a film version of Red Storm Rising set in an alternate 1980s. That would be an interesting film and it would touch on many of the west's fears which still persist today and are interesting to think about. But I guess the rights to that book are owned by Paramount(?) like Clancy's other books. Why MGM tried to update RD suggests problems with their management and why they had to restructure under bankruptcy protection. Trying to shoehorn a concept, that was very much of its time and based on speculative thinking and on political boundaries that, in some cases, don't even exist anymore probably will not work nearly 30 years later. Even a film like the Manchurian Candidate, which worked extremely well as a thriller in its day, was a stretch when remade a few years back. The only thing that saved it was some good performances and a solid directing hand by Jonathan Demme. This version sounds silly to the point of smacking ones palm on ones forehead.
Nov. 25, 2012, 6:09 a.m. CST
I'm sure it was those well choreographed actions sequences that boosted it up to that sky high 11% rating. LOL!
Nov. 25, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST
It holds up a lot better than I remember. It felt like all the emotions a group of kids might feel if they were put into a situation like this and the things they did seemed plausible. It also has to do with the times as well, as I remember those same feelings of running drills to get under our desks all the time in case of bomb or invasion. Good movie. Not sure about the remake. Looks like lots of gigantic Hollywood explosions, and having North Korea as the baddies is just dumb. I'll still check it out when it comes to video, but I'm not holding high hopes. Stick with the original.
Nov. 25, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST
Because you are completely fucking worfress, Arec Balrin! By the way, Joe Biden makes Sarah Palin look like Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
Nov. 25, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST
by Duck of Death
Filmmakers creating a film about the U.S. bravely standing up to foreign power, completely wimp out and change their whole move for fear of Chinese displeasure!
Nov. 25, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST
Nov. 25, 2012, 10:02 p.m. CST
Had you ever bothered to speak with enlightened individuals, rather than hurl pejoratives at one another with the lowest common demoninator over the internet, perhaps you wouldn't be coming off as such arrogant, blithering idiots. I really love how people summarize a country of 300 million people with two words - "fat idiots". I really do. I love how you view as as the ignorant, stereotyping, war-happy fools when you're the one broadcasting your own ineptitude for the world over to read. Honestly. Have you even BEEN to the United States? I don't mean stopped in L.A. or New York on a flight. I don't mean visited the statue of liberty or catching a show on broadway. In fact, have you gone out and actually spoken to most of the people in your OWN country? Because I assure you...the average Joe anywhere else in the world is JUST as ignorant and stupid and you purport us to be. I was just watching a show from the U.K. wherein David Tennant is asked what the capitol of Denmark is. The man didn't know. Yet I, born in America, did. Hmm. Interesting theory you've got there. And it's hardly an exception - I routinely speak with people from elsewhere who know shockingly little about their OWN country, much less the U.S. That's not to say we don't have our share of ludicrously idiotic, jingoistic, war-happy stereotype perpetuating fools. We do, to be sure...but to attempt, even for a moment, to act as if the rest of the world is ANY different is to broadcast your own hubris and unbelievable buying-in of any and all anti-American propoganda in the media. BELIEVE me, no country is devoid of their share of fucking morons. I noticed a great deal of this arrogant attitude comes from the U.K....now, I love you guys - I do - but need I even bother pointing to your own sordid history in the world? AMERICA was established by...oh wait a minute...now who was it...who were the original patriots fighting...oh right. I think you know full well where I'm going with this. America is the product of the world. Don't for a moment pretend otherwise. It is a country established and populated (with the exception of the native americans) by immigrants from nations all around the planet - yours included - so you really only have yourselves to thank if you don't like it. Your tired, your poor, your unwashed masses - THEY made this country. Most of us don't even particularly LIKE our own political system our our government's actions in the world. Most of us are just people who get up, go to work, go to school, and get through their lives one day at a time like anyone else. We have hopes, dreams, ambitions, and many of us really quite LIKE other countries - so imagine our chagrin when you all seem hell bent on tearing us down at any opportunity. Nobody CHOOSES to be born in the country they were born in. I am only the first generation to really be born in and grow up in America out of my family. My family came from Estonia and Germany following the war - they came to America because it was a FAR better option than staying behind and starving or being trapped behind a wall for the rest of their lives. I didn't CHOOSE to be born here. I don't even particularly LIKE living here most of the time - but at the same time, I also recognize the significant freedoms so many take for granted in living here. That being said...get fucked if you think you can lump everyone who happened to have been born here in the same group. That's the kind of index card mentality - you are one thing or the other - that the Nazi party had. Frankly, I admire China more than my own country - though they certainly have their share of political problems - in the last 50 years they have truly transformed into a world power to be reckoned with - while the U.S. continues to be torn apart at the seams by the very politicians elected to raise it to its former glory. This was once a land of dreams and opportunity. It still is. But that's changing -and it is not the fault of Joe Somebody in Chicago IL or Jose in Colorado, or Chang Wu in Oregon. They're just people who hold no particular disdain for the rest of the world and are trying to make a life here. It is the rich fat cats like Mitt Romney who say to hell with everyone else, let's do what I want to do. It is the idiots like Bush, who invade the wrong country for the wrong reason. Stop blaming all for the stupidity of a few.
Nov. 25, 2012, 10:33 p.m. CST
That is a very funny point. I had not considered that.
Nov. 25, 2012, 10:47 p.m. CST
ahh...the US. If you can't laugh at your own country, you're too serious. :P Plus...China DOES take things pretty seriously when it comes to politics. Try giving a public speech over there that's not pro-government. Yikes. Even so...I do love China. They'll be playing a very major role in the balance of world power and economy from now on so...it stands to reason one would sort of try NOT to make an enemy of them. Ironically, my last girlfriend was from there. getting in early! :P J/K
Nov. 25, 2012, 11:09 p.m. CST
I don't know why you're veering off about Ann Coulter and assuming I'm a conservative (I'm not), but to get you back on course, the idea that Americans are somehow less intelligent (or more) than other countries is a lazy argument. Talk to the average person in any country and you'll find they're fairly similar. But you probably haven't traveled outside of the apartment above your parent's garage anyway, so your idea of foreigners is probably based on stereotypes anyway.
Nov. 25, 2012, 11:12 p.m. CST
LOL, thx for bringing some levity to this thread. Far too many people are throwing around terms like 'liberal idiot' and 'conservative moron.' I wonder what it is about the internet that makes people so binary in their thinking? A little reason, wit and nuance goes a long way.
Nov. 26, 2012, 6:24 a.m. CST
In a category related to K-12 education, the U.S. is ranked 31st, owing to low rankings in education expenditures. Our pupil-to-teacher ratio in secondary education, at 13.8:1, is ranked 61st. In higher education, the U.S. ranks second in enrollment, but 74th in students graduating with science and engineering degrees. Elsewhere, the U.S. ranks No. 1 in the amount of students taking the GMATs, the entry exam for business school, but 53rd on GMAT mean score.
Nov. 26, 2012, 7:37 a.m. CST
A second American civil war would begin from the military. Most of the people in the military are conservative. I would imagine they would side with the red states. The blue states would be left with angry homosexuals throwing shoes, fat AICN posters, and a bunch of minorities that would run back home to Mexico. I think a second Civil War wouldn't last long.
Nov. 26, 2012, 7:45 a.m. CST
Jeezus... Pretty tired of all the Fox News, spoon-fed, Kool-Aid drinkin' rednecks taking over this site. Shut the FUCK up about politics. Its a dumb movie which is a remake of another dumb movie.
Nov. 26, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST
Great movie. I'll fight anyone in the street who says otherwise......ever bit as good as the original.
Nov. 26, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST
The problem being the QUALITY of said education and the availability of said quality schools to the everyman. It's becoming increasingly more expensive to attend the better universities, and exponentially more so to gain admittance to them. So the result is a whole generation of young adults who obtained their college degrees from community colleges staffed by second rate instructors who simply do not care about their profession and aren't paid nearly enough to foster higher competition from brighter and better instructors. The instructors themselves often obtained their degrees from similar places. I've experienced their ineptitude first hand - before I was a state resident, I did my general education courses at such a place - it was painfully obvious how low the bar was being set when I had three weeks to write a paper and literally sat down and wrote them 2 hours before the class it was due....and got an A with no effort. The really alarming thing? Half the class would still somehow manage B's and C's and there were 40 something adults with the reading and writing level of high school freshmen. Then when I segued into the state university, the gap in the quality of the education provided was made readily apparent. For one thing, I couldn't phone it in with my geology courses and get an A. You can't get away with the last minute papers and studying at my school (other than a few exceptions like world civilization courses, which are only a matter of memorizing historical people, places, and events - something I find absurdly easy). The professors are also of a vastly higher caliber. For a change, I didn't find myself constantly having to correct them or stifle laughter while listening to their lecture. Yet, even with state universities, you have those politicians looking to cut funding and financial aid to people like me who could not otherwise afford to go full time and would thusly take years longer to complete their degree and become a functional part of the work force. I'm quite sure if you compare the highest tier universities of each country alone, the gap in performance would be considerably less severe. That said... I've known a great many people from other nations - and I can say in my experience, they are certainly no more intelligent or educated than the circle of people i associate with in the states. I will note that with mathematics, however, the chinese students are well and truly beyond us - not because they are more intelligent by any means, but because what is EXPECTED of them, from an early age, is so much greater - according to my ex, growing up in China, it was not at all unusual for her to study and practice her math alone for 10 hours a day at times. She was taking calculus at the age most Americans are just getting a handle on algebra. In summary...in the end, it has entirely more to do with state funding, quality of instructors, and the education quality of the instructors themselves / competition / pay grade ...than anything to do with intelligence. The AVERAGE IQ, across the human spectrum, regardless of nationality or ethnicity, is right around 105 on the standardized scale - that's including Americans, Brits, and others. People, by and large, are fairly dim, regardless of where hey were born. And place of birth has virtually nothing to do with genetically controlled factors like potential intelligence (as opposed to simply being uneducated or poorly educated). I didn't attend college for several years after high school - and yet I constantly found myself amazed with how little average people knew about anything - even my overseas friends. I was quite a bit smarter than most of them - because I come from a family of bright people and PhD's. It was genetic. Having been born here had nothing to do with it. I just picked things up quickly. Bottom line - people need to learn not to mistake *poorly educated* or *brainwashed by religious fundamentalists* (ever been to the "bible belt" region of the US?) for *"stupid"* ...some very potentially brilliant people never realize their potential for these reasons. I know of a man who was friends with my mother who has an IQ of 185 - brilliant, brilliant guy - would embarass any one of us in a battle of wits - yet he never did anything with his life. Makes sandwiches for a living. He never got the education or direction in life which would have propelled him to stellar heights. Was bored in school - was never challenged, and so never saw a reason to attend college for very long. That's all starting to slowly change, though. You need a degree to wipe your own ass in this country these days... competition is getting more intense for jobs - and competition facilitates raising the bar. Hopefully. Moral of the story: if you're going to go to college...make sure you are going to one with credible professors.
Nov. 26, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST
but what I thought was really interesting about this one was the mix of Pro and Anti America it gave us. I really liked that. movie had problems, though. like only killing off ugly people until the hems bought it. Sorry, but those high school supermodel hoes wouldn't have lasted a week. also. Josh Peck: douchebag? When did this happen? I used to really like him.
Nov. 26, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST
I might have to check this out after all.
Nov. 26, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST
the dad's megaphone speech to the kids was great, but the korean dude took way too long to shoot him. As soon as "go to war" came out of his mouth that bullet wouldve been in his head. It was even written for that I feel like. He structured his sentence in a way that he didnt have to finish what he was saying once he said it. Also "fucked with the wrong family" was mad uninspired. glad they got a fuck in there. I liked the movie though. I mean I guess I liked it. I didn't hate it.
Nov. 26, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST
by Christopher Bynum
Nov. 27, 2012, 3 a.m. CST
He's just a brainless hunk like Momoa
Nov. 27, 2012, 3:10 a.m. CST
It had good moments but Millius is a flawed filmaker. And the characters were not that well developped. Jennifer Grey dies and without having shown any personality so we don't give a fuck. And the kids beating this big coalition of Foregin armies was ridiculous. Red Dawn was a guilty pleasure, nothing more, nothing less. I haven't seen the new one yet.
Nov. 27, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST
by Royston Lodge
In how many movies do all-but-two of the protagonists die? That alone redeems the original Red Dawn.