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The Observers seem so confident that fucking around with the year 2036 won’t wipe themselves out of existence. They used to be so careful about preserving the timelines.

Last week Walter Bishop searched for a tiny Observer in a room he created that exists outside of time. Is Peter’s hairline receding?

We’ve down to seven episodes. Fox says of tonight’s "Five-Twenty-Ten":

As the fight for the future intensifies, a member of the Fringe team orchestrates a Fringe event of his own.

Is the year 52010 the year the Observers come from? Does Peter go there?

The roundtable guests on the 10th season finale of HBO’s “Real Time With Bill Maher” this week are journalist David Frum, documentary filmmaker Michael Moore and political strategist Ana Navarro; humorist Eric Idle is an interview guest.

Tonight also brings the fall finales of “America’s Next Top Model” and “Grimm”:

Premiering tonight:

Raised Wild (9pm AP)


“Malibu Country” was the top Friday show two weeks ago; last week not so much.

In the key adults 18-49 demo, “The Rachel Maddow Show” beat everything on Fox News and CNN for what I believe was the second time ever.

Fridays, Sept. 7-Nov. 9, 2012
(Adults 18-49; repeats in gray; earlier weeks in parentheses)
2.1 (2.3) (1.8) (2.0) (1.8) (1.8) (1.5) (1.6) (1.8) (---) Shark Tank
1.9 (1.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Undercover Boss
1.7 (1.8) (2.0) (1.5) (1.6) (1.6) (1.6) (0.6) (0.6) (0.4) Grimm
1.7 (1.8) (1.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Gold Rush
1.7 (2.3) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Malibu Country
1.6 (2.0) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Last Man Standing

1.6 (1.5) (1.4) (1.4) (1.4) (1.2) (1.3) (1.4) (1.8) (1.3) 20/20
1.5 (1.3) (1.5) (1.3) (1.4) (1.2) (1.5) (0.7) (0.6) (0.6) Blue Bloods
1.4 (1.5) (1.5) (1.2) (1.4) (1.2) (1.3) (1.0) (0.7) (0.6) CSI NY
1.3 (1.1) (1.4) (1.3) (1.3) (1.3) (1.3) (1.0) (0.9) (0.9) Dateline
1.2 (1.0) (0.9) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Kitchen Nightmares
1.0 (1.2) (1.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Jungle Gold
0.9 (0.9) (0.9) (---) (1.0) (1.0) (1.1) (---) (---) (---) Fringe
0.8 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) College Basketball
0.7 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Guys With Kids
0.7 (0.9) (0.8) (0.8) (0.8) (0.7) (0.7) (0.9) (0.8) (0.8) Robot Chicken
0.6 (0.4) (0.4) (0.6) (---) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.6) (0.6) Am Next Top Model
0.6 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Go On
0.6 (0.8) (0.8) (0.9) (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (0.8) (0.8) (0.8) WWE Smackdown
0.5 (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (---) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) Bill Maher
0.5 (---) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.4) (0.4) (---) (---) (---) Ghost Adventures
0.5 (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Mystery Diners
0.5 (1.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) NBA Basketball
0.5 (---) (0.4) (0.5) (---) (0.6) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (---) Ultimate Fighter
0.4 (0.5) (0.5) (0.4) (---) (---) (0.5) (0.6) (0.5) (0.4) For Better Or Worse
0.4 (0.5) (0.3) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (0.3) (0.5) (---) (---) Haven
0.4 (0.4) (0.3) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Health Inspectors
0.4 (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (0.4) (0.4) (0.3) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) House Hunters Intl
0.4 (---) (---) (---) (---) (0.6) (---) (---) (---) (0.6) Jessie
0.3 (---) (0.3) (---) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) House Hunters
0.3 (0.3) (0.2) (0.3) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Nikita
0.3 (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (---) (0.2) (0.3) (---) (---) Rachel Maddow
0.3 (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) Say Yes To/Dress
0.2 (0.3) (---) (0.3) (0.3) (---) (---) (---) (0.3) (---) Bret Baier
0.2 (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (0.2) The O’Reilly Factor


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  • Nov. 16, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST


    by mongo126

    Just because.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Now that I got that silly shit over with...

    by mongo126

    I get the feeling tonight is when Olivia is going to figure out what's going on with Peter. I'm totally stoked to see badass Super Peter start successfully fucking with the Observers. However, since we are talking about time travelling Observers, you have to think there's a chance this is just part of the timeline. Windmark saw Peter start to use his new powers and didn't intercede...and the Observers initial mission was to observer significant points in history. Is Peter the birth of the Observers? 7 episodes left and I have no idea what's going to happen. I love this twist....maybe Peter builds the Machine, not Walter. Who knows? I don't. Just going to enjoy the ride.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST

    NO FRINGE TILL DECEMBER?!? THAT'S...2 weeks from now.

    by MrWug

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST

    When Michael Moore sits around the table

    by bah

    he sits AROUND the table. Yeah? Yeah?

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST


    by skiprat1

    Still think the hunting down parts story will never be realized. Or rather, they'll never do it - something else is going to happen that means they either don't need that solution, can't use it, or are all dead/reset. And Windmark will end up being a good guy who is just making sure everything goes as planned. Or something. Like the above poster said, literally anything could happen now. Do they know what they're meant to do with the pieces? Have they given any indication as to what they think is going to happen? Meaning, what is the definition of "defeating the observers"?

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Enjoying the ride

    by Diana Prince

    I've loved Fringe from day one and always remained obsessively loyal to it (even acknowledging its bumpy spots along the way) I think I am enjoying this season most of all. At first it was dissapointing to knowingly be going into the finale and the realization that its all ending But I think that's been making it more enjoyable. Truly anything can happen and things can just go totally bat shit crazy all in the name of a good ending. I've given up on trying to predict. I'm just enjoying the ride.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 3:58 p.m. CST

    even the likes of F'ing GRIMM is beating Fringe?!

    by TheSeeker7

    okay granted, I've never seen a minute of Grimm. But that's the case because frankly it didn't look very good to me. oh well, at least we know we're definitely getting the remainder of the time the Fringe writers needed to finish telling their story.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST


    by skiprat1

    Yeah, though I guess at this point Fringe is being written purely for the long-term fans, which must make it harder than ever to come up with layman friendly tv spots, or promos. I'd love to see a 30 second recap of the past four and a half seasons that a newbie could watch and actually comprehend!

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    It's pretty much all repeats for the shows I watch...

    by JonBrad

    next week. Guess I'll have to get a life.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 4:11 p.m. CST


    by skiprat1

    Apparently that's a code that William Bell uses for... something, is also the code to the daycare door in Jacksonville, and was an episode premiere or series finale date of an episode as well.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    even the likes of F'ing GRIMM is beating Fringe?!

    by JonBrad

    Well...since you admit you haven't seen Grimm theseeker7 it's kind of hard to take your suprise seriously. The world of Grimm is reasonably comfortable and familiar to the average television viewer (IMHO) whereas Fringe forces the audience to dig a bit deeper and follow pretty heady sci-fi concepts. As a watcher of both shows...I prefer Fringe.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST

    I wonder if...

    by Beebop

    ....Windmark is actually an older, fully-Observered Peter Bishop.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Screw these BS breaks. I wish they'd stop doing them. GRRRR

    by happybunni

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST

    No hiatus?

    by MrDark

    I thought the entire season was meant to air without a break? Am I just imagining that?

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST


    by v1cious

    People are watching the ABC white trash hour?

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Funny when you think about it, Jay ...

    by Judge Briggs

    O'Reilly 'wins' in the ratings game ... yet it's Maddow's audience who is winning elections. As for the landslide ... Here is that commie rag tag magazine The Economist: "The Democrats won 50.6% of the votes for president, to 47.8% for the Republicans; 53.6% of the votes for the Senate, to 42.9% for the Republicans; and...49% of the votes for the House, to 48.2% for the Republicans (some ballots are still being counted). That's not a vote for divided government. It's a clean sweep." On top of the 323 electoral college votes ... that translates into a landslide. Instead of focusing your energy on tr0lling people on this site, you should get out there and figure out how to win Presidential elections because right now, the future is dark* for your party ... when the Dems win 5 of 6 popular votes in the past, that means something ... and as Sen. Lindsay Graham said, 'the country isn't generating enough angry white guys to keep up with the pace of the country.'

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Don't worry, Jay

    by PDepew2181

    Maher will be back in January. So you'll barely have time to miss him before he's on again.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Best Comments On Election Night By Facebook Friends

    by mjgtexas

    <P> "I can't stop crying. Satan has come spread filth to our Godly land" </P> <P> "I can't believe half the country put a NIGGER in the White House AGAIN!" </P> <P> "One word: Succession!" </P> <P> "Do not ask what your Country can do for you, ask what you can get from your Country" </P> <P> "Guess me get my Obama phonez!" </P> <P> "Thanks Ohio. Because you voted in a socialist Marxist traitor, my daughters will not be able to visit their Memaw and Papaw in Columbus this Christmas. Elections have consequences" </P> Can't you tell I went to a Christian high school?

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST


    by PDepew2181

    I liked the part where the person didn't know that it's called "secession," and not "succession."

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 8:36 p.m. CST

    That could be a typo on my part.

    by mjgtexas

    But then again, when your friend lives in Giddings, Texas, that may be how he spelled it.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Fringe preview

    by adml_shake

    Holy crap the upcoming episodes look fucking awesome!

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 9:03 p.m. CST


    by CatVutt

    Okay, not really, but fuck it kinda feels like it at the moment. The last 15 minutes were suspenseful and beautiful and operatic. Great, great stuff.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 9:11 p.m. CST


    by Jared Parker

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST


    by Jared Parker

    when have you ever presented facts? your outright laws are just a deflection of the fact that your party got it's ass kicked

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST

    also jay

    by Jared Parker

    if your party doesn't start reaching out to minorities it will never win another election. white people are no longer the majority like they used to be. why can't your party just accept facts?

  • Holy shitballs! What a great fucking episode. Peter is in full on Observer mode. ...AND THAT PREVIEW PETER VS. WINDDICK!!!! HOOOLLLLLEEEEEEEEE SHEEEEIIIITTTTTTTT!!!! I can't remember if it was io9 or EWonline, but someone has seen 5x08 and said it was a tearjerker. I can not wait.....

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Just a thought....

    by David Fico

    Sorry for the off topic.. But has anyone noticed there is zero advertising for the hobbit? I would think 30 days before there would be a commercial every hour.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Grimm - Just go full-Buffy and get it over with

    by gruntybear

    What a formulaic, ball-less Buffy retread, with shi-i-i-tt-y CGI.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 11:23 p.m. CST


    by PDepew2181

    I think that's because they are waiting for the Skyfall/Lincoln/Twilight push to subside. It's still 4 weeks until opening day.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Man that was an awesome Fringe

    by Paul

    I love how they are juztaposing both Walter and Peters turn to the darkside and the difference between their reactions. Also it was great that they finally paid off Walter taking Bell's hand from last seasons episode. I was starting to think that a number of things from that episode wouldn't be followed up, but they did!

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 1:06 a.m. CST

    3 weeks till new Fringe. Dear TV execs: Fuck Ya'll

    by happybunni

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 1:10 a.m. CST

    I tried to watch Grimm when nothing else was on

    by Deaft0ne

    I think it may have been on a Saturday, and I couldn't get past the godawful CGI that looks like the characters heads in that old PS1 fighting game Bloody Roar. Brandon Routh's lost brother is ok as the lead but the shit visual FX take you completely out of any story they are attempting to tell. Fringe was fucking badass tonight though.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Marathon Man

    by verycoldinspace

    almost lost my shit when Walter started quoting the plot of Marathon Man..comedy gold. love this show so much i'm forgiving it for blantantly ripping off the Matrix in it's closing episodes.

  • Been waiting for him to have a clump of hair fall out for a few weeks now, that ending was tv perfection

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Peter is Windmark!

    by chaseguy17

    How obvious are the writers going to make this. Last two episodes have ended with Peter lost in thought and a picture of Windmark in view. My theory is that Peter is Windmark. Kind of like terminator where John Connors father is sent back in time by John Connor, Windmark must kill his own daughter in front of his younger self to push his younger self over the deepend and ultimately create the observers. Last season Peter needed to be rebooted because an outlier appeared (the birth of Henry) which messed up the observers plans. My guess is the particular father daughter relationship was necessary to produce the optimal emotional response. This you have the story of fringe. You heard this story here first.

  • but instead of needing fancy tech that vaporizes solid rock (the effects of which will alert Observers) why didn't they just hop the half-wall 5 feet to the right of the door and enter the building from there? When it comes to suspension of disbelief I can accept rock vaporizing rays and bald super-humans from the future. However, I have a hard time with a half-collapsed building's only access point being through the massive pile of rubble blocking the front door. How about just climb up the pile, go in through the massive hole on the second floor, and go downstairs? Other than that, loved the episode.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    big jim

    by Rebel Scumb

    That sort of sums up all of season 5, as a whole its great, provided you can turn a blind eye in every episode enormous leaps of logic in order for the plot to function. But as I've said before, I just view this season as a victory lap for the show so I'm willing to cut them a lot of slack.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Grimm pissed me off last night

    by jim

    When characters act contrary to common sense for the sole purpose of advancing the plot it pisses me off. A character's actions should never be dictated by the needs of the plot. "Heroes" used to do that all the time. Monroe knew why the captain was in his shop; he'd been there a couple of times. Monroe knew he was under some kind of love spell. Monroe's the one who told him to bring in the person he was obsessed with so he could better help them. Why was that not part of the story he told Nick (and before telling him his girlfriend was making out with the guy)? Yes, he does sort of touch on it, but really glosses over it as if it isn't relevant. Nick's reaction was a little more understandable. However, with Adalind back, despite Monroe being so conveniently vague and obtuse, should it not have occurred to him that maybe she had something to do with Juliette's cheatin' heart? After all, she got back at Nick by cursing Juliette once before; why not a second time out of spite for her mom's death (which he knows Adalind blame him for that)? He's worried Adalind's going to go after her, so why doesn't it cross his mind that maybe she already got to her? Oh yeah, because then Nick wouldn't have moved out, and he wouldn't be looking to get revenge on the captain.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Poor Jay...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Poor, poor, miserable, deleted Jay.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Peter is ________

    by bongo dummy

    The theory is Peter is the original Observer? Does that really make sense? If the original became so using technology from the future then was reverse engineered? to make more? That's one of those parodox things, isn't it? While the show may be getting at that, you guys are saying that Peter has already interacted with himself as an Observer, right? Must admit that it seems like they are going out with a bang with them trying to beat the clock before two of the characters change completely and possibly mess up their last mission. But, even if that happens, it does seem to set up the chance that that is how they are explaining some or a lot of the show. Interesting ride.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST


    by bongo dummy

    Grimm Grumm Fee Fi Fo Fum Gotta agree with Big Jim. That is a cheap way to go when a little better communication would focus the actions of the character who needs to know what the hell is going on. The FX on the show are negligible. CG masks. That's pretty much all the show uses. No big whoop. So, dismissing for that reason is just as lame as the CG. But, it is kind of funny and still kind of riveting. Look at it like this, the plot still going forward. The audience probably sort of knows what is going to happen or what should happen but the show kind of plays a passable 3 Card Monte in every episode. The cool thing is the show is so non-amazing that two things happen: you are left with a cliffhanger in every episode and yet you can forget about it for a week or two and not think about the show once. then when the show comes back there's barely or rarely a need for a recap to figure out what the hell is going on. It is weird but is is like a bowl of candy at an office you visit: if it is full, you take some when you visit. If it is empty, there's no reason to become demanding that the bowl be filled. If your favorite is there, you might get one of them every so often but if it isn't in the bowl it is no big whoop. So that is where the Monster of the Week and the 2-4 dangling subplots per episode come in. It ain't the daVinci code or anything. You sort of know how it is gonna go, what should happen (someone is gonna find out the truth, the ones who know don't know the entire story either, and everybody is an assassin, some only after they become victims and then they are killing when they need to kill. Sometimes simple done well is entertaining on a couple of levels. The show isn't a brain teaser. For instance, you know the main character's mother--who came out of nowhere and went off to nowhere-- is out there killing monsters and can't be trusted but somehow it isn't important she show up again now. But, even if the show runner's forgot she existed they'll drag her body out of the river someday and make the no lo.nger useful character useful by making her a corpse for another story. it is kind of funny when you think about it. Now excuse me while I forget about it for a while.

  • Yes, I know they are both on Fridays, but how about grouping them by category instead? Grimm and Fringe can be in one talkback, and Bill Maher can be in another. Instead, you have all of this cross chatter that has nothing to do with each other.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    bongo, I also hope that Peter isn't windmark or the first observer

    by Rebel Scumb

    I suppose it would be somewhat clever, but it doesn't feel very satisfying to me. This show has always been more about the 3 core characters on an emotional level more than that sort of thing which just feels like a gimicky twist, I'm hoping the final resolution can be something satisfying on that level. Peter being an Windmark just doesn't feel right, it basically means he was always destined to be an evil bastard and is sort of a snake eating its own tail type situation. He becomes an observer to get revenge for Etta being killed, but then ends up being the one who killed her? How am I even suppose to feel about that? it just seems like a needless path for the story to go, and contrived. It would also mean we've basically wasted a lot of time getting invested in Olivia and Peters relationship if that is the payoff.

  • But yeah I agree. And I like both shows but its just a very weird way to conduct the talkback.

  • I mean I understand the progression they're trying to dramatize here, but c'mon, Peter was pretty much talking normally the entire episode, moments that were just earlier that very day, then bam, back at home with Olivia, he's talking in FULL Observer mode with the detached, staccato style. It seems a little silly that he went from like zero to 100 just like that.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST

    also, and this didn't occur to me until this episode...

    by TheSeeker7

    All of those "RESIST" posters with Etta's face on them are so obviously plastered all over the place; would the Observers really allow that to be?

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    peter's fate then

    by bongo dummy

    When Peter pulled the implant, the Observer died. Is it as simple as either/or for what happens to him? More than likely his brain is being rewired, right? Yanking that implant is pulling the plug on him or any of the Observers. Even if he isn't The Original One, he probably doesn't have options that are quick and easy and will keep him alive and well-balanced.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Resist Signs

    by bongo dummy

    If it is a smart thing to have those signs then I am curious as to why they are everywhere and are allowed. If it is gratuitous, and a reminder for pathos or to show the cause, it is kind of silly. However, if it is the latter reason, I think I can out silly it.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST

    theseeker, that thing about the posters really bugged me too

    by Rebel Scumb

    I get what they're going for symbolically but it just doesn't make a lot of sense

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Peter wasn't talking normally during the day....

    by happybunni

    He was less light hearted than usual, and straight to the point always. "It's logical"

  • They guessed that the Observers were actually fine with the signs being up, because it sorta showed that they were so confident in their dominance over the 2036 humans, they figured "pfftt... let 'em hang up their 'rebel' signs", that they still had no fear of their uprising.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST


    by TheSeeker7

    Yea, I guess personality-wise Peter was fairly curt and dry that day in talking to the others, but the actual sound and cadence of his voice was pretty normal, otherwise. I still felt it was a quick and major jump to suddenly sound EXACTLY like an Observer.<br> <br> Plus I was thinking, I'd really like to believe that this "Peter is actually the first Observer" thing is NOT one of the main pieces of the end game, just because, as clearly has been shown, a ton of fans were on top of this immediately a few weeks ago. That the writers wouldn't hang their hat on something that was so obvious so quickly.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST


    by MrLongbaugh

    I guess I will have to start from the beginning and watch the whole series. It seems to have a decent following with some TB'ers.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST


    by MrLongbaugh

    You are a troll of the highest order.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Fringe Etta posters

    by skiprat1

    I think the posters would remain up simply because the observers are not bothered by aesthetics or the effectiveness of the resistance. That whole face-melting thing was surprisingly gross. Things are getting pretty bleak overall, I wonder if they'll pull the stuff back out of Peter's head next episode, like they hinted at in the preview. I kinda hope not. I also hope they give Olivia a little more to do than just react to Peter. AND I hope they do not remove the pieces from Walter's brain - I love badass Walter. Oh and I totally called it in last week's TB - Windmark making sure these events take place (per the preview for next episode). I must be an observer too. I get the feeling Nimoy won't be turning up again - sounds like they effectively wrote his character out with the explanation of his being in the amber this episode.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 9:02 p.m. CST

    I don't see why everyone has a problem with the posters being up.

    by Cotton_Mcknight

    The Observer that was captured clearly didn't understand emotions, and was oblivious to Peter's anguish about losing a daughter. Why would they care about or even understand posters that are meant to illicit an emotional response from the public? And even if they do, I agree with what others have said- they are so dominant and so sure of themselves, it is inconsequential. It's similar to the Borg in Star Trek, who allowed the crew of the Enterprise to beam on to their ship because they considered it inconsequential.

  • but I might just be getting his return last year confused with news this year. either way I guess the hand was the main plot point they needed to resolve.

  • namely that they seem to run the occupation so sloppy that it seems impossible to swallow they haven't already been defeated. As I've said in previous weeks, even in our real world where the occupiers don't have time travel or the ability to see the future, most dictatorships are run better than this Hell! Even the fringe division of the FBI in previous seasons which is in a normal democratic America had quicker response times, and was better at tracking cellphone calls, security footage, figuring out where bad guys were hiding etc The fringe team in 2036 walk around without any trouble, work out of their old lab with no one thinking to check there, live in Etta's apartment even though that seems a logical place for the observers to look at or search, people hang resistance posters that take up the whole side of a sky scraper without being stopped, and the head of the resistance can call peter on a cellphone without concern of being caught.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST

    The posters

    by adml_shake

    You need to remember that they see the current day humans as being so insignificant that they don't really care what they are doing. Yet. They literally see us as ants. That will probably be changing now that we have super Peter in play. For as long as he's able to hold on to his humanity.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 10:45 p.m. CST

    And the observer posters

    by adml_shake

    Probably put up by the loyalists, or maybe the baldies thought it would help squash the rebellion movement.

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 6:47 a.m. CST

    I agree with Rebel scumb

    by theGoldbergV

    The fact that the 4 of them are wanted fugitives meeting Nina out in the open and casually walking through parks is just jarring. Surely the Observers would put out a future-world-APB type thing on them?! And 20 years into the future wouldn't the whole world be covered by CCTV? It's also bothering me that Astrid is STILL doing nothing. She is asking Olivia how her and Peter are? What about her? You'd think she'd show some effects of being zapped 20 years into the future and having everyone she knows be dead! John Noble and Blair Brown are great and Anna Torv is when given something to do. Olivia has really been relegated so far... Just pining away over Peter for whole episodes at a time... And did anyone else think it was odd that when Peter went full-on Observer mode all of his lines were said off camera?! It was almost like they didn't want to show Jackson's performance.

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 6:59 a.m. CST

    CCTV cameras

    by Rebel Scumb

    Even last week Walter got spotted with facial recognition software, but it begs the question why is this the only time this has happened, and it still took the observers, who can casually move through time and space at will HOURS to respond and show up! It sort of follows one of my rules of scifi that no scifi show that has ever relied on 'super soldier' or some variation of them as a primary threat has ever benefited from it. SG1 and X-files are two other examples of writers coming up with 'super soldiers' as a new threat, and then quickly losing track of how to write for them. The observers have in effect been turned into super soldiers this season, Again, I don't want to gripe too much, I've enjoyed this season quite a bit, and even if it was the worst piece of crap ever (which its not, its actually quite good) it wouldn't diminish my love for the series as a whole since they very successfully paid everything off last year, like I said this is a victory lap. It's just frustrating to see them handling the threat of the baddies this season so poorly. If you go back and watch the season4 future episode Letters of Transit that set up this whole storyline, the one with Desmond in it, that one did a great job of making the observers scary, and very very efficient. The occupation felt believable, and menacing, and that one wrong move by any member of the resistance would mean certain death. There is NO sense of danger at all in the episodes year, the Observers are almost comically inept.

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 7 a.m. CST

    goldberg, for me the peak was season 4

    by Rebel Scumb

    When I finally watched it a couple of months ago when the blu ray came out, each episode blew me away, I was so impressed with how they tied everything from the 4 seasons together,

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 8:23 a.m. CST

    yeah, letters of transit was great

    by theGoldbergV

    the whole thing about how Etta was seemingly the only person who could resist the Observers' scans made them seem really scary. This year, she'd dead. It seems she taught Broyles how to do it and the Observers don't really bother scanning people anyway. They just walk round in groups and take their hats off at the same time for some reason. I thought everything after the beginning of season 2 was excellent, leading to the whole first half of season 3 with the alt-Olivias. Great story-telling, tense, great performances too. It seemed like they'd finally figured out 'what' Fringe was about. Not 'the pattern', not disperate MOTW episodes, no. It was about a war between parallel universes with the central conflict coming out of a very real and personal tragedy. They were setting up these interesting dynamics with Walternate, Alt-Broyles, Charlie, Alt-Nina and what was going on with William Bell. It seemed properly epic, and unlike a certain other JJ Abrams-inspired show I won't name, it did seem like it was actually going somewhere that was planned. Then halfway through the season all that went out the window and they introduced Soul Magnets (or the worst story Fringe ever did. For multiple episodes.) After that we had the just plain odd animated episode, with its still un-paid-off "Thats the man who is going to kill me" line, and it all came to a head with the season 3 finale, which was essentially one of those What If stories that Marvel comics do. Its like the writers felt they really needed another twist on the formula, so they erased Peter from existence in a plot I just think killed all momentum the ongoing narrative had. It meant season 4 was essentially a reset, and while I liked it at the start (it was intriguing, Lincoln was a good intro character, we were told eventually it would all tie together) over the course of the season Olivia got her memories back, then Walter did sort of (is that what happened, honestly its so convoluted now I'm not sure) but everyone else essentially changed from the characters we watched for 3 years. Season 4 had some good episodes but the finale was just a bit lame, Bell as God on his arc with his weird porcupine creatues?! He even had a maniacal Bond-villain laugh. They brought back Jones but he was basically just Bell's butler. Plus writing out the whole alternate universe the way they did was majorly anti-climatic. And so now this year we have an entirely new show, almost completely removed from what came before and bogged down in loads and loads of backstory about stuff that happened between seasons. I still enjoy it, but mainly its for the performances of Noble and Torv and out of habit. The mystery and much of the excitement of those early years has gone and the plot mechanics of the tapes and the resistance and them wondering around undetected its taking me out of the story. I admire Fringe for the risks it takes and the fact its not afraid of tackling the 'big ideas', but unless they have some major pay-off coming its a shame it had to end this way.

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Peter, Olivia, and this season

    by mongo126

    I really like how this season is moving along. It really is like watching a movie. The first third of the movie was a happy family reunion and ended with the death of Etta. Now, we're in the 2nd act, Peter's reaction to that and what it does to him. I think it will be resolved by Olivia using her Cortexiphan power to neutralize the implant...most likely by 5x10. The last 3-4 episodes will be the final fight with the Observers and an epilogue for the fans. As for the series as a whole, I think it all plays together as a whole. Last season was disjointed a little bit in the beginning, but it still felt like Fringe. This season is awesome, but it's got a different feel. Peter, Olivia, and Astrid (who's vastly underused this year, but will all that's going on I'm not sure where you squeeze her in) are all pretty much the same, but we have yet another version of Walter (John Noble you brilliant bastard). He's still lovable Walter, but there's a tinge of asshole as you can see his old personality sneaking in. Yes, there are plot holes aplenty. You have the only real threat to the Observers, they know it, and nobody can see when they're right out in front of the Ministry of Defense...really? I look past it because I think there's a bigger payoff. They're slowing linking little bits of prior seasons in and trying to tie it all together (I hope). I think this Peter/Windmark meeting is going to explain a lot. I just hope they haven't boxed themselves in a corner and take some cheap way out. There's still 6 episodes left and this season has been quite awesome, so I have faith we have a solid finish.

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    rebel scum is right on

    by TheSeeker7

    I remember thinking kind of in the back of my mind, but it didn't really fully bubble up for some reason, like for example why was there a sudden Observer convoy like RIGHT OUTSIDE the lab... and then they drive away? What could they have been doing there or checking out in the first place?<br> <br> And yea this "Amiel"(sp?) character, he's got to be a known key member of the resistance, right? Yet he's VERY OBVIOUSLY hanging right across the street from a major building where apparently Observers meet, and he's just mysteriously keeping an eye on it? (and then making a cell call??)

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    though, my guess about one of the end game details..

    by TheSeeker7

    Whether it's related to time travel or what, I don't know, but I won't be surprised at all if Peter and Olivia get to have Etta back in the end, that she'll be alive. I think that's the main reason the writers weren't afraid to kill her off so early in this season.

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST

    NOBODY CARES, JAY2517-90210!!!!!!

    by I am the Terminator

    You stupid, sad, SILLY person. Just go away. BIATCH.

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 9:15 p.m. CST

    ^u do, apparently^

    by jay2517

    MOVE! OUT! OF! YOUR! MOMS! HOUSE! silly is as silly does....

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 10:02 p.m. CST

    GROW UP, JAY2517-90210!!!!

    by I am the Terminator

    OR DIE.

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Regarding the posters on Fringe- resistance posters v. observer posters

    by Cotton_Mcknight

    My take on the Observer posters is that they use them simply because they have learned about effective propaganda tools from observing other cultures throughout history. They don't really understand their meaning or purpose, so much, but they have seen them used in Germany, the Soviet Union, etc. As for the resistance posters, I really can't say this enough- they don't consider the resistance a threat. As the captured observer said, they look at human beings as ants. They are completely insignificant. Frankly, I think the people who are criticizing the whole resistance poster thing are really trying to find something to complain about. The plot hole that you are looking for is simply not there.

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 10:42 p.m. CST

    The Observers still read people just as much

    by Paul

    Peter was read a few episodes ago and then the Broyles episode the interigator read the resistance guy and Windmark thought that he was reading Broyles. Also the episode where they Fringe team had to turn the labs power back on I believe that someone go read.

  • Nov. 19, 2012, 1:14 a.m. CST


    by jay2517

  • Nov. 19, 2012, 7:07 a.m. CST

    too each their own goldberg

    by Rebel Scumb

    I respect your opinion. Personally I always like when shows like this or X-files really get out there with weird stuff, or experimental episodes like the animated one. The stuff with Bell on his arc with the porcupine monsters was actually my favorite aspect because they took so many random unsolved things from season 1 and tied them all together nicely. One of my main complaints about the show as a whole until that point was all the David robert jones/ZMT stuff just felt completely forgotten, not just resolved but almost like it never happened, and the slight reset to the universe let them go back to that stuff and pay it all off the way it really deserved to be. the episode that brought back the porcupine monsters is probably in my top 3 Fringe episodes of the whole series. But I do get what your saying, I think in this case its just more a matter of different tastes. But then I'm the crazy guy who still really likes that certain other JJ abrams produced show.

  • Nov. 19, 2012, 7:16 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I don't think we're looking for something to complain about, we all love the show and have said again and again how good this season has been. On a basic cinematic/emotional level the Etta posters work, and I get what they are going for. I just don't think they make a lot of logical sense. Not that there should be no posters, the one they saw in the alley, the first one worked more effectively than any of the others, and it was believable. You say in the same paragraph that the observers understand the power of propaganda, but simutaneously don't think it means anything for the resistence to do the same. If the Observers truly see no threat in the resistence, then why even try and stop them at all? I get the ant/boot analogy, but it only works to a point, the Obsevers obviously consider the frnge gang a problem, and that one obsever was also just trying to psyche Peter out. Again, I'm not looking for the show to be devoid of plot holes, but a show or movie like this works best if the heros have a worthy and scary foe, and the observers just dont feel that way this year. and again, I'm not even holding them to the standard of godlike time travelling futurists, just even compared to real world occupations, and present day police forces. They are clearly being conviently written as inept just so the plot lines can work. Its hardly the end of the world, its just dissappointing, and the show would benefit more if they were able to write the obversers as scary as they were in letters of transit.

  • Nov. 19, 2012, 7:17 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I agree, the Peter changes were nice and gradual and worked in over time, it wasn't a sudden change.

  • Nov. 19, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by Paul

    I also still love that other JJ Abrams produced show.