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The Friday Docback: DOCTOR WHO Newslet Round-Up!! Including: New DOCTOR WHO Minisode/2012 Christmas Special Trailer & Title Revealed Tonight!! THE ANGEL'S KISS Audio Book!! The ___ Get Redesigned!! Colin Baker On The State of The 50th!! And More!!

Published at: Nov. 16, 2012, 8:49 a.m. CST by merrick

 

Merrick again...

The Children in Need minisode prequel to this year's DOCTOR WHO Christmas Special - which we now know is entitled "The Snowmen" - is now online...

 

And a new trailer for "The Snowmen" can be found here!  

 

 

 

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Merrick here...

Our plans to return to "classic" DOCTOR WHO coverage for this week's Docback were derailed by mail snafus and some across-the-board fallout from Superstorm Sandy.  So...next week we'll get back to vintage Doctor adventures with a look at The Claws of Axos (Pertwee, 1971) - which is now available HERE in the US and HERE in the UK.  

Until then...here's a round-up of some interesting/intriguing DOCTOR WHO newslets which came our way over the past week...

 

 

BBC RELEASES A PROMO IMAGE FROM THIS YEAR'S CHRISTMAS SPECIAL!! 

Here's an EMBIGGENABLE look at Matt Smith's Doctor, as he'll appear in this year's Christmas Special (transmitting Christmas Day).  

The look strongly evokes several previous incarnations of the character, and this image most definitely plays to the increasing simmer/hostility we've witnessed from the Doctor in Season/Series 7 thus far.  Nicely reinforcing my indelible suspicion that...something is up with that Doctor. A fall from grace?  Is he an imposter?  Is he jumping the rails as he approaches regeneration?  We'll see...

Speaking of the Christmas Special...

 

 

 

CHILDREN IN NEED TO TRANSMIT CHRISTMAS SPECIAL PREQUEL + AN EXTENDED PREVIEW FOR THE SPECIAL ITSELF!! 

Continuing a tradition of DOCTOR WHO''s interaction with this amazing cause, this year's CIN begins Friday November 16...7:30 BBC One. As mentioned above, CIN will feature a 2012 Christmas Special prequelsode, an extended trailer for said Christmas Special, and reveal the title of that upcoming installment.  

Per BBC's CIN site(HERE), CIN seeks to...

 

...provide grants to projects in the UK which focus on children and young people who are disadvantaged. We are local to people in all corners of the UK and support small and large organisations which empower children and extend their life choices.

Our grant programmes are open all year round for applications, with a focus on allocating the money to deserving projects 4 times a year. To find out more about our grant programmes, to apply for a grant or to hear how some children's lives have been changed for the better, visit 'Change Lives'...

You can find the Children in Need Donate Page HERE - NORTH AMERICAN FOLKS ***CAN*** DONATE.  I just did it myself!

 

PLEASE NOTE:  if you donate...

1) You can input your own £ amount (you don't have to go with their pre-sets amounts).  For some reason, I almost missed this option...so heads up on that one.  Also, there's a nice currency converter HERE to help you be clear on how much you're donating.  

2)  Some bank cards may trigger a "Verified by..." page asking you to input additional information.  I've never understood this function (I see it often when ordering overseas Blu-rays), but the process turns funky if you click "Activate now..."  Clicking "DO NOT ACTIVATE NOW" works much better, and STILL PROCESSES YOUR TRANSACTION.  Save yourselves the grief on this one...trust me...click "DO NOT ACTIVATE NOW"!  

 

Presumably the CIN Christmas Prequel / extended preview will appear online shortly after CHILDREN IN NEED transmits it...we'll post embeds here as soon as this happens.

 

 

 

DOCTOR WHO: THE ETERNITY CLOCK IS NOW ON PC!!  (Previously available only on Sony Platforms) 

For this week only, you can find it on Steam at a 10% discount.  Steven Moffat forged the story for this one, which incorporates a number of beloved DOCTOR WHO characters and motifs.  

Here's an EMBIGGENABLE look at a few screens...

 

 

 

 

ALEX KINGSTON (RIVER SONG/MELODY POND) TO READ THE ANGEL'S KISS 

Per The Official DOCTOR WHO Facebook Page, Kingston has already recorded an audio version of the e-book - which itself ties directly into Season/Series 7's The Angels Take Manhattan...

 

 

The recording will be available next month via AudioGo's website

 

 

 

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IMAGES OF NEW CYBERMAN DESIGN HAVE LEAKED...AND BRING WITH THEM A FUNNY COMPARISON

Behold Cybermen from Neil Gaiman's upcoming episode...

 

(from DoctorWhoTV

 

And...well...

(via i09

 

Ouch.  But fair enough.  

This said, I rather like this new design.  My 5 year old LOVES it - this new look prompted him to engage me in a protracted discussion about the evolution of the Cybermen (he's never seen an entire DOCTOR WHO episode).  So, if that's the ONLY purpose this design upgrade serves...kids thinking the Cybermen are cool, thus broadening awareness of the show...this change pretty much rocks as far as I'm concerned.  

This said:  I do wonder whether...perhaps...this design isn't shifted radically enough.  In our modern world, tech is consistently becoming sexier and smaller...why wouldn't this same tendency apply to a civilization operating with vastly more advanced resources and capabilities?  Will we ever see a sleeker...less armored...more streamlined/Apple-y Cyberman?  Just a thought.  

But...yeah...I'm on board with this design...and am dying to see what Gaiman does with these guys towards the end of Season/Series 7.

 

 

 

COLIN BAKER SAYS NO PREVIOUS DOCTOR ACTORS HAVE BEEN CONTACTED ABOUT THE 50th...

 

Dovetailing with Ken Plume's recent discussion with Sylvester McCoy, which touched on the same matter. 

 

So, back to Baker.  In THIS chat with DigitalSpy, when prodded about next year's upcoming 50th Anniversary, sixth Doctor Colin Baker indicates... 

First of all, the big one – has Colin been asked to reprise his role as the sixth Doctor? His reply: “No. As far I know, neither of any of my erstwhile colleagues have been asked either.”

How about the long-rumoured Doctor Who movie
 “I haven’t been approached to do a Doctor Who movie. I think they would be scraping the bottom of the barrel if they asked me to do it. All you have to do is hold up a picture of what I look right now and what I look like then and you’d know why.”

 

 
OK.  Does all of this automatically suggest that NO multi-Doctor 50th anniversary story will happen?  Not at all.  What's important to remember in this matter is that it may not be known yet what kind of financing/budgeting BBC will have to work with for the 50th...thus it would be impossible to glean who to approach, or what to tell them even if overtures were to be made.  Secondly, BBC doesn't necessarily make firm plans this far in advance.,..although it's a safe bet some mulling has already gone into how to approach DOCTOR WHO's 50th Anniversary...by all concerned...even though the (actual) Anniversary is still (technically) over a year away as of this writing.  A great deal can happen between now and then.  
 
Am I worried that BBC might drop the ball on this one?  Absolutely...but I strongly believe that if ANYONE can do the right thing by the 50th, it's Steven Moffat...given the current success of DOCTOR WHO...the awards-caliber performance of both DW and SHERLOCK...and his overall tenacity in the trenches...it's hard to imagine he wouldn't be able to bring admirable pressure to bear if push came to shove.  Moffat won't want to be remembered as "The Man Who Fucked Up The 50th!"  -  and I'm betting this concern would be a very ,very strong motivator for him.  
 
But, yes, I'm a tad jittery - for even The Will of Moff™ might not be enough to overcome the immovable mountain that BBC can sometimes be - especially if tight finances are a significant factor.  But I'm not giving up hope that we may, in some way, witness one more collision of past Doctors on our televisions....not yet, at least.  
 
Come what may, revisit my piece HERE about an important and underappreciated element of current WHOness which I believe The 50th has a unique opportunity to address.  And, even if there is no DOCTOR WHO Multi-Doctor Jamboree in 2013...I firmly believe that finding some way to merge old and new WHO in the  minds of an often segregated viewership would be hugely meaningful in more ways than we can estimate.  
Stay tuned...
 

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PREVIOUS DOCBACKS 

 

 

[Season / Series Seven Docbacks - MOST RECENT DOCBACK IS HIGHLIGHTED]

 

The Coming of Season/Series 7

Asylum of the Daleks 

Dinosaurs on a Spaceship

A Town Called Mercy 

The Power of Three 

The Angels Take Manhattan 

Series 7, Part One on Blu!! 

 

 

 

 

   

[SEASON / SERIES SIX DOCBACKS]


"The Impossible Astronaut"

"Day of the Moon"

"The Curse of the Black Spot"

"The Doctor's Wife"

"The Rebel Flesh"

"The Almost People"

"A Good Man Goes To War"

"Let's Kill Hitler"

"Night Terrors"

 
 
 

"The Doctor, The Widow and the Wardrobe" (2011 Christmas Special)  

 

 

 

[RETRO-WHO DOCBACKS ]

 

"An Unearthly Child" (Story #1)

"The Daleks" (Story #2)

"The Edge of Destruction" (Story #3)

"Marco Polo" (Story #4)

"The Keys of Marinus(Story #5)

"The Aztecs" (Story #6)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7)

"The Sensorites" (Story #7 - full DVD release) 

"The Reign of Terror" (Story #8)

"Planet of Giants" (Story #9) 

"Planet of Giants" (Story #9, full DVD release) 

"The Dalek Invasion of Earth" (Story #10)

"The Rescue" (Story #11) 

"The Romans"  (Story #12) 

"The Web Planet" (Story #13) / SHERLOCK - "A Scandal in Belgravia" (Story #4)

"The Crusade" (Story #14) 

"The Space Museum" (Story #15) 

"The Chase" (Story #16) 

"The Time Meddler" (Story #17) 

"Galaxy 4" (Story #18) 

"Mission to the Unkonwn" (Story #19) 

"The Myth Makers" (Story #20) 

"The Gunfighters" (Story #25)

"The Tomb of the Cybermen" (Story #37)

"The Mind Robber" (Story #45)

"The Krotons" (Story #47)

"The Seeds of Death" (Story #48) 

"Spearhead from Space" (Story #51) 

"The Abassadors of Death" (Story #53)

"The Colony in Space" (Story #58) 

"The Daemons" (Story #59) 

"Day of the Daleks" (Story #60) + Preview of the DotD Special Edition

"The Three Doctors" (Story #65) 

"Carnival of Monsters" (Story #66) 

"Death to the Daleks" (Story #72) 

"Invasion of the Dinosaurs" (Story #71) and SHERLOCK: "The Reichenbach Fall" (Story #6) 

"The Android Invasion" (Story #83) and SHERLOCK: "The Hounds of Baskerville" (Story #5) 

"The Face of Evil" (Story #89) 

"The Robots of Death" (Story #90) 

"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" (Story #91)

"The Sun Makers(Story #95)

"The City of Death" (Story #105)

"Nightmare of Eden" (Story #107) 

"Kinda" (Story #118)

"Snakedance" (Story #125) 

"The Five Doctors" (Story #129) 

"The Awakening" (Story #131)

"Frontios" (Story #132)

"Resurrection of the Daleks" (Story #134) 

"The Caves of Androzani" (Story #136) 

"Vengeance on Varos" (Story #138) 

"Time and the Rani" (Story #144)

"Paradise Towers" (Story #145) + New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits

"Dragonfire" (Story #147) 

"The Happiness Patrol" (Story #149) 

"The Greatest Show in the Galaxy" (Story #151) 

"Doctor Who: The Movie" (aka TVM) - McGann) 

DOCTOR WHO: THE COMPLETE SIXTH SERIES 

Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor (How Merrick Got Hooked On DOCTOR WHO)

DOCTOR WHO Title Sequences & DW At Comic-Con 2011

"The Crash of the Elysium" (Manchester version - interactive DOCTOR WHO adventure)

Why Eccleston Left, Here Comes Caroline Skinner, And Season/Series Six Part 1 on Blu-Ray And DVD

New Trailer For Season/Series Six Part 2

The Companions of DOCTOR WHO + New Trailer & Artwork For Season/Series 7  

Impromptu Docback!! + Galaxy 4 'Airlock' Coming to DVD, Christmas Special 2012, And More!!

The Friday Docback Mulls The 50th...

 

 

 

 

 
DOCBACK CODE OF CONDUCT
 
1) a Docback should be about completely open and free discourse regarding all things WHO with, obviously, some variation on subject matter from time to time - the real world intervenes, discussions of other shows are inevitable, etc.)... 

2) matters of SPOILAGE should be handled with thoughtful consideration and sensitivity.  Posts containing SPOILERS should clearly state that a SPOILER exists in its topic/headline and should never state the spoiler itself . "** SPOILER ** Regarding Rory" is OK, for example.  "** SPOILER ** Battle of Zarathustra" is fine as well.  " **SPOILER** Why did everyone die?"  Is NOT good.  
 
 
And, above all... 

3) converse, agree, disagree, and question as much as you want - but the freedom to do so is NOT a license to be rude, crass, disrespectful, or uncivilized in any way.  Not remaining courteous and civil, as well as TROLLING or undertaking sensational efforts to ignite controversy, will result in banning.  Lack of courtesy may receive one (1) warning before a ban is instigated.  Obvious Trolling or Spamming will result in summary banning with no warning.  One word posts intended to bump-up any Docback's figures on AICN's "Top Talkbacks" sidebar will be considered actionable Spam - they not only complicate efforts to access Docback from mobile devices, but impede readers' abilities to follow or engage in flowing conversation. 
 
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  • Nov. 16, 2012, 8:37 a.m. CST

    I am Cyberman

    by HornOrSilk

    Someone had to say it

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 8:39 a.m. CST

    50th anniversary

    by HornOrSilk

    I feel the ball is being dropped. The BBC should have had a series of specials AND the normal show. The specials should have engaged every era of the show. A story per Doctor, some dealing with his companions, some dealing with the Doctor.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 9 a.m. CST

    Merrick should this HERE be a link. . .

    by Kathryn Gail

    . . .where you say to revisit my piece HERE about an important and underappreciated element of current WHOness ?

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST

    50th

    by berserkrl

    Although this might be wishful thinking, given Moffat's penchant for protecting spoilers by, well, lying, it's possible that he's gotten past Doctors to lie as well.

  • If you had another Silent around, telling the cyberman to finish the conversion it might not be bad. Logically I'd expect the conversion to stop the posthupnotic suggestion stuff to not work after conversion, but since it would be even scarier from a story perspective I'm sure it would. Next up on the improbable conversion list: Cyberood. They'd need metal sheathing for those little outside brains, not to mention some good cable sheathing. Cut off from the main Ood brain, it should be easier for the cyberprogramming to take. These I'd almost want done more like the Tenth Planet Cybermen so you could still have the mouth tendrils with the conversion.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Iron Man, Iron Man, does whatever an iron can

    by DoctorTom

    I don't know why the Iron Man Cyberman picture made the old Spiderman cartoon theme jump into my head, but now I need to delete it. Delete delete delete. Hopefully, we won't be hearing the Delete catchphrase much in Gaiman's episode. I'm much more hopeful that we will get back to the You Will Become Like Us type phrases.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST

    The promo picture of Matt Smith

    by DoctorTom

    He looks like he could fit in well in either Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels or in Snatch with the expression he has. It's a shame that Guy Ritchie is too busy doing Sherlock Holmes movies and stuff like that and doesn't have the time to do a Doctor Who episode. The closest we've had to that is the first part of Attack of the Cybermen.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST

    patrickstewartsaweverything

    by Merrick

    THANK YOU!!!

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST

    The 50th story should encompass the entire season

    by unfaithfullyyours

    Dont add specials to the schedule. Fold it all n to the story of the season. By the way does anyone else think the new companion IS the doctor or is that just me?

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Once again, the 50th

    by ByTor

    I don't know that any ball has been dropped, yet. I do realize that with each day that passes the odds of a huge multi-doc special (or series of specials) drops. But I still thing there will be at least one special above and beyond the first half of S8.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    unfaithfullyyours

    by ByTor

    My understanding is that the plan is to start seeding things related to the anniversary in the second half of S7. Beyond that I don't know anything for sure, but I know the thinking (as of a few months ago) was to do a special in the summer (or even two), followed by the first half of S8. That first half of S8 might be two or three 90-minute specials instead of 5-6 45-minute episodes. One of these would air on Nov 23.

  • Glad you have confidence, Merrick. At this point, I have very little.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Multi Doctor

    by Traintrack1

    I think if we do have a multi doctor story it will just be Matt and David. And probably bloody Rose too. I think that's why an extra Doctor was left alive and kicking in a separate universe just waiting to be pulled out for a special occasion.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST

    The "Apple Cyberman" exists...

    by sabalomglitz

    That's what I've always called the far-future versions that appeared in THE FLOOD (the 8th Doctor's final comic adventure, which almost ended with... true story... an RTD-sanctioned 8th/9th Doctor regeneration). http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6blpaxx5J1r3jkqvo1_1280.jpg http://primegundam.tumblr.com/image/23573572231 And here, with alll the other previous Cyber-models: http://paulhanley.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d4en3wo

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Thank You For Your CIN Donation, Merrick

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    I think that was rather lovely of you.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Have a CiN special for funding the anniversary...

    by Phimseto

    ...hell, have a Kickstarter. If the 50th is some low-rent affair because the BBC is fucking cheap, that is a travesty. The 50th should be a big, multi-episode storyline using all of the living actors who have played the Doctor, even if they don't all play the character. If all we get is a single long-form episode, that silly "making of Doctor Who" telefilm, and a generic clip show, then the BBC will have officially taken an amazing milestone...and squandered it.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    To finish my thought...

    by Phimseto

    ...seriously, for this one time, I guarantee if you asked fans to pitch in to make the anniversary elements bigger, they would do so. Even as much as I hate setting *that* precedent, I would rather do something like that than just let 50 go by ho-hum.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST

    I doubt money is that big an issue

    by ByTor

    Don't get me wrong, I know the BBC (like so many others) is facing money issues, and the BBC's never been swimming in cash. But the feedback I've gotten from my sources is that the BBC would love as much Doctor Who as they can get their hands on. If the production team, etc. could give them (say) 24 eps/year, they'd take it. But the team has found that the current 13-14/yr is about as much as they can handle without burning out, etc. (Same with Sherlock, by the way -- they'd cheerfully take more than 3/yr.) Still, bean counters do get involved. I have it on reasonably good authority that before Matt was selected, another actor was considered but rejected as he would have been a lot more expensive (the overall budget/episode in S5 was lower than S3/S4, partially because Matt (as a relative unknown) didn't cost as much as Tennant). Of course, then Moffat DID see Matt, and decided it was just as well because he liked Matt better, but there you are. So. Possible scenarios: (1) The one I've outlined in an earlier post (and in previous Docbacks): we get maybe one or two specials after S7, then the first half of S8 as either normal episodes or fewer, longer specials. (2) No summer specials, but the first half of S8 is still loaded with anniversary plots, etc., and still may be fewer, longer specials instead of normal-length episodes. (3) They do absolutely nothing. This seems incredibly unlikely to me. And as I've said, you can expect to see hints in the latter half of S7. Tiny at first, but then building a bit.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST

    phimseto

    by ByTor

    Honestly, I'm not sure that would even be possible. The BBC normally only gets funds from the license fee. So it would have to be some kind of BBC Worldwide co-production in order to get funding elsewhere. And while that's certainly possible BBCWW co-productions are notorious in what it takes to get them set up and actually working. As some magazine (can't remember which) once said, the only way to really get a smooth co-production with BBCWW involved is to have BBCWW bound and gagged in the back seat of the car. Having said all that, if something were arranged, it'd be awesome, and I'd certainly contribute.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Matt Smith becomes William Hartnell

    by Bryan c

    And so this doctor is the end and the beginning of the Journey. Prompting the question Doctor Who?

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST

    seldom_used

    by ByTor

    Awesome idea! Though it'd probably be better if we waited one more -- so that when Doc #12 regens into his (theoretical) last body, it's Hartnell at the end.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Didn't realise we were getting new Cybermen.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    Don't look bad though. Prefer the face to the last R.T.D. era ones but is it me or do they look a bit short?

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Moffat will do the right thing...

    by mark howard

    If Russell T. was still in charge I'd be shitting bricks, but with Moffat at the helm I know he'll do all he can to deliver the best anniversary present possible. There'll be no ball dropping on his watch.

  • The problem is that they're so thin that they'd have to be CGI and you'd probably blow the budget on a Cyberman story.

  • http://tinyurl.com/c228uqt This actually showed up in my Amazon quick picks today. Since I don't have a dog I have to assume it's the Merrick/Doctor Who connection. I didn't know you were doing these side projects, Glen. ;)

  • Look at that Dinosaurs on a Spaceship plus a few others.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    lordoflight - the new cyber design

    by DoctorTom

    judging by the people in the background I don't think they're short. I think that the width of the torso is making them look more squat than they actually are. Of course, if they are short, it's not the first time we would have short, Welsh Cybermen. I don't think they'll be as emotive as the one in Revenge of the Cybermen, though.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Lordoflight - good call

    by mark howard

    I'd forgotten about those damned dinosaurs. Still, the property is in better hands now than it was a few years ago.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Actually, on further reflection,

    by DoctorTom

    it might not be torso width per se, just the angle the picture is taken at. The torso's at an angle, and with the costume extending much further forward than a normal human, photographing at that angle makes them look a little more stout. The one in the back that's facing the camera a little more directly doesn't look quite as stout as the ones in front who are angled more.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Lordoflight - that's not the first one I'd cite for bad Moffat

    by DoctorTom

    DoaS had it's own moments. If you want to cite a bad Moffat episode, though, I'd go with The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe. The life and joy you'd expect in a Doctor Who Christmas episode seemed to have been sucked out of that one by the time you got to the other planet.

  • True, Hinchcliffe didn't write stories himself, but he's done novelizations and has been involved in the production, plus you can't bring back Robert Holmes to write a story. Getting writers from a few different eras to tackle new Doctor Who might not be bad, that's why I picked those three names. It wouldn't necessarily have to be them - Marc Platt (or possibly even Cartmel) could represent that era, or get Christopher Bailey or some who still write. In the name of all that's holy, though, please don't get Pip and Jane Baker. The question would be whether you could do modern Who with the speed that it goes at, and blend in some aspects of the feel of the different eras. If you wanted to get a Graham Williams/Douglas Adams feel (and didn't get Graham Williams himself) you could always get Gareth Roberts to try to work in a Season 17 feel into s story. It would be hard to get a Paul McGann feel unless you go for copying the feel of the EDA's or his Big Finish audios. I think you'd look at writers who worked those novels who also do television - Paul Cornell is the first that comes to mind for the 8th Doctor, though if they wanted to take more of a risk I'd like to see Paul Magrs get to write a television episode. This could be as good a way to celebrate 50 years as any; you might even get call backs to specific stories of the different eras while you work in a bit of the feel of that era.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Maybe that's what it is then doctortom.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    And photo's can be deceptive anyway.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Ah, the Moffat v RTD debate

    by ByTor

    I think on balance I enjoyed RTD's tenure a bit more, but it's fairly easy to cite good and bad episodes in both eras. I think RTD would've done something great with the 50th, and I think Moffat *will*.

  • Not going to happen.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST

    RTD v Moff

    by mark howard

    With RTD I soon realised that if I lowered my expectations I wouldn't get quite so disappointed, and I'm glad he had the opportunity to bring the Doc back to our screens. But, for me, the Moff has produced a far better, more polished DW (on a much lower budget), but when [Moffat] gets it wrong it is, in my opinion, far more catastrophic. RTD had a better track record with his flimsy Christmas specials, but I still hold out hope that one Christmas I won't be going to bed with bad-Who indigestion. I'm confident the 5oth anniversary will be handled right, but whatever he does the Moff will never satisfy everyone. He's no duck-egg, he's one of us, a life-long fan, and he'll do the best he can. Moff, your audience awaits.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    50th...Doctor Who teams with Sherlock & Merlin

    by StatelyWayneManor

    BBC creams itself

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    50th

    by Antz

    I think it makes sense none of the older doctors have been asked. None of them look anything like they used to anymore. However if they recast Hartnell like they did for The 5 Doctors, that could definitely work. There have been lot of references to his beginnings in the last couple of seasons.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Hmmm......not so sure charlie-boy.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    I've found the new series has often been a let down since it returned in 05 and apart from a once in a blue moon story Moffats era isn't that much better than R.T.D'S era. As I've said before I don't like the way Matt plays the Doctor either.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    I soon learned to lower my expectations in the R.T.D. era too.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    It was great if you could get through an episode without cringing at something.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Nice Dalek shot but is that one of those shite new Silurians I see?

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    Bugger. Looks like it is.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    RTD vs Moff vs Pip and Jane Baker

    by DoctorTom

    I know which group I'd vote out of Big Brother House to be turned into Daleks first (it wouldn't be the new series people). I couldn't just say vs. JNT since he had different eras himself with different script editors, and even the earlier Eric Saward script editor stuff is different from the late Saward stuff (when he was squabbling with JNT more). So, no slight to the Doctors involved, who I think did a good job despite what they were working with, we could designate the 6th Doctor and early 7th Doctor stuff as the Pip and Jane era.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    lowering expectations

    by ByTor

    Not sure I've ever really done that. I will admit that the early S1 episodes turned me off a bit. For me it was the lowbrow humor stuff: the hand-choking-the-Doctor-while-Rose-rambles, the belching trash can...and then, good God, the Slitheen. So I actually stopped watching for a few years. Then I gave it another try, and IMO the show got much better after that. Some episodes are good, some not so much. Overall I do find the show enjoyable in both eras, though as I wrote above, probably a bit more during RTD's. Even so, Moffat got Neil freaking Gaiman to come write for the show, so...lifetime pass. :) And I just know we're going to get something cool for the 50th. Probably not a multi-doc, but...something cool.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Lordoflight...

    by mark howard

    That's the beauty of Who, new and classic, we all have a personal connection with it and love and hate different aspects, I grew up with Pertwee, he was my doctor, but I'll defend all aspects of the show as it's so ingrained into my psyche now. Hell, I'll even defend McCoy's first and second seasons, and the entire Trial season. I'll even stick my neck out and defend everything JNT did - I can understand where he was coming from and what he wanted to do, but that doesn't mean I agree with 90% of his choices. As for Matt, I like the way he plays the character, I like the way he's understated as opposed to No. 10 who overplayed to the extreme. I just feel the 45 minute format doesn't suit good storytelling. Sometimes moving the story at the speed of light harms the narrative, but in the age of goldfish attention span I accept that's how it has to be. I'll keep watching it every week, and once in a while the team will throw something up that leaves me feeling very satisfied. That's not to say I don't respect your opinion, I do, and who knows, perhaps in 2013 they'll knock something out that exceeds all our expectations and scores top marks with all the fans. Maybe. Fingers crossed.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Murray Gold needs to stop making DW sound like Wallace & Gromit

    by buggerbugger

    Seriously, that music is totally out of place. New composer, please.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Aspects and music

    by ByTor

    charlie-boy_clown, I agree with everything you say in principle. There are definitely some eras I'm not fond of, but as you say, that's what's so great about this show. scratchmonkey, I have to disagree with you there. I *adore* Gold's music and hope he stays on for a long, long time.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Children in Need

    by mark howard

    Well, I've just watched it. Jeez, please retract everything I've written, now I'm worried. We're screwed!

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST

    *spoiler*

    by Captain Howdy

    Declaring war on the moon? Nicely done, Strax.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 2:19 p.m. CST

    The minisode is now online..

    by Captain Howdy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G17_B4uACgg

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST

    the mini-sode is up on youtube now

    by glenn_the_frog

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G17_B4uACgg Hrm. Nice to see those characters again... Are they going to be doing a "Its a Wonderful Life" sort of thing? Doc has decided to give up, there's always nothing but pain and suffering... but the alternative without him doing what he does is worse and there ARE good things?

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST

    and gamma-ray_joe beats me to it

    by glenn_the_frog

    Well played Clerks. Well played.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    glenn_the_frog: I'm guessing our Twitter feeds are quite similar.

    by Captain Howdy

    ;)

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    This year's Christmas Special is called...

    by Captain Howdy

    ... 'The Snowmen'.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    The Snowmen. Really?

    by buggerbugger

    Killer snowmen? And what is the modern-day fascination with turning the Sontarans into comic relief? It's the new "Haha, the Daleks are naff because they can't go up stairs", isn't it?

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    And here's the trailer...

    by Captain Howdy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L3KVpvEUTns

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Killer snow! Look out, the snow's feeding on your blahblahblahBLAHH!

    by buggerbugger

    Killer snowmen made of killer snow! Good grief, it's like that Mitchell & Webb sketch about the toothbrush designers: "If we can get them to brush their tongues, we can get them to do anything!"

  • I loved A Christmas Carol, he just knocked that one out of the park, but last year's wasn't my cup of tea (the happy ending was nice at least, but the tree creature was kinda stupid.) Anyway, with the returning cast from one of my favorite episodes (Good Man was some of the most epic Doctor Who ever) and Jenna proving that she's awesome in Asylum, I think we're gonna have a great DW anniversary year!

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST

    There's something about the teeth in the snowmen

    by DoctorTom

    I wonder if we find out if they were supposed to be Snow Angels. *Don't blink. Whatever you do, don't blink. And don't look into their eyes. And build a very large fire to melt them, since hair dryers haven't been invented yet.*

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Looks better than last years

    by HornOrSilk

    So far, I say it looks like "The Next Doctor" type (which is, to me, fair, I liked most of The Next Doctor).

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST

    I'd agree with that

    by DoctorTom

    I do like seeing Madame Vastra, Jenny and Strax again.

  • He created the Silence as a means to destroy the moon.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST

    I find Matt more overstated and O.T.T. than Tennant charlie-boy.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    Tennant got on my nerves at times with his big grin and a few other annoyances but Matt really takes the biscuit for bad Doctors for me.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST

    I mean imagine Tom Baker or Hartnell doing disco poses.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    like John Travolta and planting kisses on people. As far as I recall they had a bit more nobility about them than that.

  • Have a famous American sci-fi tv script writer team up with a Doctor Who script-writer to write a story together. JMS and Neil Gaiman, for example. Joss Whedon and Gareth Roberts Nicholas Meyer with Terrence Dicks JJ Abrams with the Moff

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 3:49 p.m. CST

    lordoflight you don't know Tom Baker too well

    by HornOrSilk

    You have a woman's hands.... ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EfW9znJYjw

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Damn moon...if absolutely nothing else, I now have to know...

    by Bill C.

    ...what's up with the snowmen. For some reason I keep thinking 'The Waters of Mars' and I'm not sure where exactly it's coming from...

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Tom Baker's done just as bad, lordoflight

    by DoctorTom

    Oh, my arms, my legs, my everything! Horns of Nimon has Tom Baker faffing about while Romana plays the part of the Doctor in the story. And we get comedy noises with Baker in the story (so comedy noises don't start with the Slitheen). And, I say this with Tom Baker being my favorite (though Matt Smith is pretty much up there with him in my estimation right now - I'll go back to reevaluate that a few years after he'd done playing the part). Remember, it was Tom Baker who got to say in one of his stories: *what's the point of being an adult if you can't act childish sometimes?*

  • I wish they'd drop the Xmas specials anyway. They never used to have these crummy Xmas episodes and I think the show was a lot better for it. It would be nice if this years had more substance to it but I'm not hopeful.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Or, if you never saw this

    by HornOrSilk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrSJhxDgRcw Who on Earth is Tom Baker?

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Hornorsilk - JMS

    by mark howard

    Inspired idea, but he works best when he's got a five year story arc to tell his tale, he'd be no good with a new Who 45 minute restriction.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 4 p.m. CST

    charlie-boy_clown the point is to bring two writers together

    by HornOrSilk

    So JMS wit someone else doing a two-parter I think would work. Heck, have him help develop the arc for a season.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    And why I chose Gaiman should be obvious

    by HornOrSilk

    Being they have worked together already.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk, I'd add to that list

    by DoctorTom

    This is assuming that you don't just have the American writer do an episode by himself Harlan Ellison and Duncan Jones Rockne O'Bannon and Toby Whithouse David Kemper and Chris Chibnall Peter David and RTD or, include Australians as well as Americans writing the show Justin Monjo with Gareth Roberts or Andrew Cartmel Of the list, many could handle an episode on their own (Peter David in particular is already a Who fan, and I would imagine Duncan Jones is also)

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Ah, things make sense now!

    by DoctorTom

    Horns of Nimon had part one broadcast December 22 1979. They meant to have a panto. Of course, the year before, The Power of Kroll was the one to show around Christmas. That probably explains why they weren't doing episodes during Christmas for many years after that. Of course, the first year we had The Daleks running around Christmas, and the Dalek Invasion of Earth the year after that, and The Daleks' Master Plan the year after that (hmmm, I'm detecting a pattern here...)

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    I doubt you'd get JMS writing Doctor Who

    by DoctorTom

    he's said that for television he only wants to work on stuff he controls. Now, you might be able to get John Ostrander writing Who (Suicide Squad in the 80's, Grimjack, writing Star Wars: Agent of the Empire now) - he originally wanted to do a stage play back in the 70's or 80's called the Inheritors of Time, which dealt with the last incarnation of the Doctor. He was supposed to have done a Big Finish audio with the 6th Doctor and Peri at some point, but that fell through (I don't know if that was the period of him having a lot of medical problems).

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Those Tom Baker things are minor next to Matt Smith tom.

    by LORDOFLIGHT

    We're talking a few little bits of humour once in a while with Baker but Matt Smith acts like a kids tv presenter on speed. Baker never acted like that. The most we got with Baker was an occasional grin or some humouous statement like the ones you said. He didn't go round doing disco impersonations and planting kisses on everyone. Despite a few more humourous bits Baker took the part quite seriously.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Doctortom -- JMS

    by HornOrSilk

    Well, I don't think they are trying my idea. However, if it had been done, with the 50th in mind, I do think JMS could have done something with Gaiman because 1) he is a fan of DW 2) his connection with Gaiman with B5

  • Though non-Americans could work, too.. just the idea is to get some big names people in the US would recognize (at least, the Geeks in America). Harlan, of course, is another I would like. For obvious reasons.. and we know what he's said about Who before. Peter David would be interesting... to be sure.. but not sure with RTD... I think Paul Cornell is better...

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 5:55 p.m. CST

    hornorsilk pairing up Peter David with a British Who writer

    by DoctorTom

    If you hadn't already had Gareth Roberts listed, I'd have put Peter David with Gareth Roberts. Of course, Roberts would work for Rockne O'Bannon or any of the other Farscape crowd too. Or Ben Edlund. If you wanted to go for something different, though, team up someone with Robert Shearman. Jane Espenson and Shearman might be interesting. Actually, getting John and Carole Barrowman to write an episode might be interesting too, even if you don't have Captain Jack show up in it.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Tom Baker called it a non-acting role....

    by ProfWimsey

    As Baker noted, the Doctor was essentially a static icon: he basically a Jungian Archetype. There was zero character development of any sort involved. Of course, Baker's antics (he completely rewrote scripts on the fly to insert his zany humor) so thoroughly pissed off people that several of Doctor Who's writers left the show. Indeed, that's how we got Blake's 7: Terry Nation was so pissed off at what Baker & Adams did to his last Daleks' story, that he tooks his ideas to a totally new series. JNT's total clamp-down on the actors' freedoms on the show was in part a response to Baker: from then on out, the actors did as they were told. (Baker had even refused to wear makeup prior to JNT's arrival!) So, puh-leahse, do not suggest that Smith is somehow further out of bounds than Baker was.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Nice to see the AGMFTW gang again

    by Dreamfasting

    Those were a great collection of characters - I'm glad we'll be getting a chance to see them again. It also shows that the producers are open to making an effort to fulfill fan fantasies. It will be interesting who much of this dark and grumpy turn for the Doctor is character change vs setup for this particular story. Will he snap back witha new perky companion? Or is she going to have a constant struggle with his 10ish slide into moodiness? As for the 50th ... I think it's too soon for even the most invested fan to panic. The BBC likes to keep its cards close to its chest and they still haven't finished making the spring season yet.

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Axos calling Earth...come in, Earth...

    by obijuanmartinez

  • There have been more than mere rumblings of a US version of the show. The BBC are looking for ways to expand the Who franchise and I would expect to see some surprising twists here....for instance that two Doctors could exist in the same timeline one designed for the American network market the other carrying on in the BBC tradition with occasional crossover much like they did to Torchwood. Think of a 2 Doctors storyline like a Superman Red/Blue each focusing on an aspect of the character most appealing to the respective audience This would lead to an eventual merger event with one Doctor playing in both series

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Paging @doctortom: Question on Big Finish Audio

    by obijuanmartinez

    As the forum's resident expert on Big Finsh Audio - Have you ever heard the 5th Doctor production "Butcher of Brisbane" which deals w/ the pre-"Talons of Weng-Chiang" Magnus Greel's backstory? If so: Worthy or no? Just tripped over it this week - had never heard of it. Seemed it could either be good & fluffy, OR possibly have the "Kevin J Anderson Effect" on a commodity I adore (much the way KJA strip-mined Star Wars characters like Boba Fett, interconnecting them in unlikely ways, destroying their mystery, appeal, etc.)

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 3:27 a.m. CST

    obijuanmartinez -- "Butcher of Brisbane"

    by HornOrSilk

    IMO, it is pretty good; it does things differently than you would expect but not in a bad way. It's not as good as Talons, by any means, but it is not bad. There are interesting twists to it.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 3:30 a.m. CST

    btw, Butcher was written by Marc Platt

    by HornOrSilk

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Thanks @horn!

    by obijuanmartinez

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 7:54 a.m. CST

    I'm a Yank, and I see no need for an "American" Doctor Who....

    by ProfWimsey

    The Doctor is indelibly British (perhaps even indelibly English!) much the way that James Bond is. "American" SciFi can be great - B5, Firefly, Battlestar Galactica all come to mind - but there is something a little different about the English Superman than there is about the American one. Now, by all means I do *NOT* want the show to go back to being aimed at kids and other virgins who still live with their parents: but a single graduate Who who is on first name bases with the Kings and Queens instead of the presidents (save the ones that might have fancied him) in his own timeline (which gets mixed up enough as it is) is more than adequate!

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    These Christmas specials are as tacky as Christmas itself.

    by Gary Makin

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Christmas Specials are what they are.

    by HornOrSilk

    But I do think some have been good. The ones on my good list are: Christmas Invasion Next Doctor End of Time Christmas Carol Ones on my ok list: Runaway Bride Ones on my blah list: Voyage of the Damned Doctor, Widow and Wardrobe Now, with Doctor Who, even stories on my blah list are not entirely without value. There are things in them which I like. Doctor Who is Doctor Who. I even enjoy elements of Twin Dilemma and Time and the Rani!

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Possible *SPOILERS* from DW Magazine

    by Mister Vertue

    Posting this for those overseas without access to the magazine because I couldn't find an official link for the article: http://doctorwhotv.co.uk/thompson-on-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis-41771.htm I think it'll address a few things that fans have been asking for years about the Tardis, whilst providing them with a Tardis-based show, which has also been frequently asked for. So, as mentioned in the article, what rooms would you like to see featured in the episode?

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Oh, and my choice would be...

    by Mister Vertue

    The classic console room. That wouldn't be too much to ask for, would it? Just a glimpse as they head deeper into the ship.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    well the library and the swimming pool, of course, but--

    by Kathryn Gail

    --that's mostly because they're referred to so often. And I absolutely second the classic console room (complete with the overhead and incidental stuff they quickly stopped showing) for the 50th! I also suspect the wardrobe room must be about the size of the government storage room in Raiders of the Lost Ark, and that the corridors' M.C. Escher-ish logic takes a lot more getting used to than just a police box that's bigger on the inside. The comic story Changes touches on this (AND includes a zoo!), but an even better feature mentioned in that comic would be the memory vaults that recreate places the TARDIS has been--great way to solve a mystery (and look back over 50 years). There have also been references to squash courts and cricket pitches over the years. Who does he play with (when he uses the TARDIS ones rather than going to some Earth time/place)??? But I guess answering that question could come way too close to feeling like a Star Trek holodeck story. . . But secretly, 50 years and we've never seen anyone having a coffee or craving leftover lasagna (unless they did that in a lost story or one I've just never seen--but those probably had the old food machines)! Don't they ever stand around in the kitchen instead of the control room?

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST

    @doctortom, Cybersilents, Cyberood

    by Kathryn Gail

    The permutations are just endless! A Cyberood carapace with sheathing for all the mouthparts and so forth. . . much like a Cybersilent's posthypnotic powers, seems like they'd lose them for the sake of efficiency, but keeping them makes a better story. Keep all the tentacles, make each metal-clad for some specific function; keep the Ood Brain to enhance their communication abilities, but risk creating a rebellion-prone class of Cyberelite. Or suppose they only target apekind races and just don't consider others, or suppose they DO target lizardkind and catkind and so forth but there are always slight, unavoidable variations--lots of possibilities for stories about factionalization, betrayal and rebellion, there. Haven't seen The Tenth Planet (perhaps next year, though!), but from the stills the general concept seems more than grisly enough to address people's concerns about Cybermen not being scary enough and needing to have a more Borgish look. Done over with c21st effects, those minimalist eyeholes in a flesh face make the Borg look like overpriced designer fashion accessories. . . And--omg DORIUM. . . a HAT worth a separate post (please hold). . .

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST

    you know, if Dorium ever needed to run away. . . (HAT)

    by Kathryn Gail

    He's already just a head. A head with connections. If he has Cyberman connections, his new body may already be on its way. . . Dorium, and any new connections he's made sitting there in the Seventh Transept. Some of whom could just be skulls. At the risk of pulling too many scarytime motifs from Silence in the Library, Cybermen with angry mystic rotted skulls in their metal crania have some potential for being scary enough for viewers upset by the recent stompy version.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST

    @man_of_vertue - Tardis rooms

    by Dreamfasting

    The problem with visiting any nostalgic Tardis rooms is that I can't think of any room mentioned that wasn't eventually destroyed in toss-out-line in the need to make a narrow escape. But, if we assume that the Tardis has quietly been archiving favourite rooms that can be brought back then the Zero Room, the library/swimming pool, old companion rooms and that vine-covered room of contemplation from Logopolis pop to mind.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Potts' Law.

    by veteran_of_mu

    ~Look, I've got kind of complex life, things don't always happen to me in quite the right order. It gets a bit confusing at times. Especially at weddings. I'm rubbish at weddings. Especially my own.~ At the time it seemed throw-away but now we've seen Doctor 11 married ... without Doctor 10 in attendance. Then we have the clue from the season 6 spoilers - ~The Doctor will get married - Twice!~ This could mean it was the Doctor in a Doctor suit ... But we know the Doctor didn't share his name with River in TWORS. We expected that can only happen at his death or at his wedding. We have since learned he doesn't die when sending River off to her doom so ... Not to forget we also have the TARDIS named as the Doctor's Wife. And we have one other Doctor running around as the gangerDoc plus maybe another in the Doc-locked-out-of-the-universe. Not to mention the Cushing/Tennant Doc off in Pete's universe. So my half arsed prediction for the 50th is a gigantic and lavish full on wedding between the 12th Doctor - meaning Oswin - and the reformed Master along with another more secretive wedding between River and the GangerDoc while the other two Docs - one-heart-Tennant and locked-out-Smith run around trying to sort it all out. And then ... and then ... just when it seems the confusion has been resolved, in swaggers the Valeyard ... played by Chris Eccleston ... and on his arm is the Rani ... You know there needs to be a Law, something like Godwin's Law - the Reductio Ad Hitlerum that says that the moment you mention Nazis in a conversation online you have lost. Call it Potts Law - the moment you mention the Rani in a HAT it no longer has any arse and must never be spoken of again.

  • Nov. 17, 2012, 9:52 p.m. CST

    patrickstewartsaweverything - Dorium getting a body

    by DoctorTom

    They have Flesh Avatar technology around for Dorium. It's far more likely he'd make a body out of that, keep his head safe in the box somewhere and run the body around by remote.

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    by Kathryn Gail

    Hrmm, possibly, although Dorium seems like a guy who prefers meddling in person, particularly after having misjudged his relationship with the headless monks . . . perhaps that 'media chip' has more to it and getting himself into a durable, networked body with the option to make a grab for control was one of his Plan Bs all along. His head's as safe in a Cybershell as anywhere, so he might as well enjoy his Flesh Avatar adventures from somewhere more useful than a shelf. . . Speaking of his misjudged relationship with the headless monks, that's one of those flip, for-effect moments that works, then breaks down, then opens up other twists. If listening with your heart rather than your head is their preferred leap of faith, whyinsamhill would they add doubters and even enemies to their ranks? Logically the belief system is just a pretext for acquiring bodies for the Papal Mainframe to control, probably more or less like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_the_Headless_Chicken plus a computer, but how the belief system gained acceptance, how the heads stay alive and whether doubters could cause a schism sounds like another great excuse for location filming in Italy, Renaissance costume and a lot of Borgia-

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST

    (oops, premature post-ulation, there) doctortom - re Dorium

    by Kathryn Gail

    ~~and [as I was saying in the above post before I apparently hit return for no reason] a lot of Borgia-style intrigue.

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    patrickstewartsaweverything - Dorium getting a body

    by DoctorTom

    I could see him going for Flesh Avatar technology over getting a cyberbody because a) he knows about Cybermen, and probably wouldn't trust anything there b) he probably wouldn't trust technology he doesn't know about (and I think he knows more about Flesh technology himself), and 3) as Dorium said in A Good Man Goes To War, he's a coward. He's already had his head cut off once. Being a coward, he'd probably opt for Flesh Avatar technology because if something happens to that body his head will still be safe elsewhere. If he does something like get his head grafted onto the top of one of the Headless Monks, then if the body goes his head might end up going with it. With Flesh Avatar technology he might keep a few spares of his body ready to activate if something happens to the first, projecting his mind into the next one. Of course, the possibility of Dorium's body actually being one of the Headless Monks now would be amusing - most of the Monks looked a bit more fit. Maybe we'll find out they they did that and he just gets his head reattached to his body at some point. I think I prefer, though, the idea of Dorium's head in a box popping up now and then. You could have fun with a completely whole-seeming Dorium holding a box, opening it and seeing another head for him in there. I suppose you could do the same thing if his body was converted to be a Headless Monk, having the body open the box to show the head (verging toward Brain of Morbius territory there). The other way, though, Dorium could join Zaphod Beeblebrox in having 2 heads, though in Dorium's case he keeps one in a box.

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST

    doctortom - Two of us! The mind races. . .

    by Kathryn Gail

    . . .says his head-in-a-box when opened by his Aplan-style Flesh Avatar. . . Dorium's headless body would indeed be less anonymous than average, although I suspect as a consummate voluptuary he'd pay extra to have his Flesh Avatar(s) a bit more ready for action (and to hide the enormous heap of ones he's worn out). . . I dunno, I hate to pass up the comedy gold chance of an alternate Big Bang where someone finds a Cymberman head lying around in a museum, we all expect a terrifying attempted assimilation, then the head pops open to reveal Dorium bellowing "don't just stand there, get me outta here" (or possibly "mecca lecca hi, mecca hiney ho" like Jambi from Pee-wee's Playhouse). All of these notions sound like a one-man Children in Need short waiting/needing to happen. . .

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST

    How would Dorium's head fit inside of a Cyberman's helmet?

    by DoctorTom

    I'd think there'd need to be some extra surgery first. Either that, or find a Cyberman in 4XL size. If you want comedy potential though, with the Flesh Avatar technology you could have Dorium transferring his mind back and forth between his head and the avatar so that it could look like Dorium's having a conversation with himself. Dorium head: I think we should go to the left Dorium: Are you sure about that? Dorium head: Yes, I think so. Dorium: How come? Dorium head: The Wifi signal's stronger that way, and I want to keep listening to this podcast while we go down that way. Dorium: Okay, since you're the boss of me Dorium head: Of course. Not to mention that we think alike. Dorium: Exactly alike. Dorium Head: Exactly.

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Is there any reason why Dorium's head...

    by dj_bollocks

    ...couldn't become The Face of Boe ?

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Well, dj_bollocks

    by DoctorTom

    Other than the strong implication that it's actually Captain Jack? It's unclear. There was the insinuation that the heads not kept in boxes rotted quickly, so it doesn't seem like the process of converting someone into a Headless Monk gives the head eternal life. Eternal animation, maybe - given those hungry skulls in the pit in the room, but that wouldn't mean that Dorium would look like the Face of Boe, only one of the other skulls eventually. Now, a skull talking like Dorium and conversing normally would definitely be disconcerting, but it's better to get the expressons that come with the actor's face. Really, given that Jack is known to have immortality and was called the Face of Boe before, while Dorium doesn't seem to have either of these things going for him, I wouldn't bet on Dorium becoming the Face of Boe. The Face of Maldovarian, maybe, but probably not the Face of Boe.

  • Oh it's boring being a head a cube, no question; I'd do the same thing at work just for someone to talk to if only we had the technology. . . Anyway, size factor--that's where you want the Tenth Planet model, where you basically put a sock over the existing head, add the hardware via a skullcap affixed in through the ears, and hang the rest on the outside over the jumpsuit (except for the ghoulishly gouged-out eyes). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqAlHjPq_J8 (Warning to purists: this is not a DW clip; it's a Dirty Jobs segment where they're herding ostriches by putting socks over their heads to make them tractable.) Although I thought (oh no, I'll have to watch again just to verify, MY SUFFERING for accuracy!) the Pete's World ones were really meant only to contain the brain until Chibnall wanted a sexygirl one for Torchwood and then Roberts wanted to use that same setup to discuss parenthood metaphorically without showing a realistic amount of blood. Now someone's apt to jump in here and point out how DW has always worked least well when it's trying to be funny, and I both do and do not agree. I personally think it works really well with about a vermouth-in-the-martini amount of humor, and hope it never ever goes deadly serious but keeps on casting Doctors who are inherently amusing without writing in outright slapstick. But I suspect that in some alternate universe, DW is a 50-year-old comedy show, and that if I were transported to that universe, I'd never leave my couch again.

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST

    patrickstewartsaweverything - classic series Cybermen

    by DoctorTom

    Attack of the Cybermen shows partial conversions. The ones that were having rejected programming had cyberlimbs, but the torso, head, etc. was still theirs. Lytton still had his body while being converted too. I'll agree that the Pete's World ones looked like they were supposed to be only the heads. Chibnall did mess that one up. The ones with Craig though weren't necessarily Pete's World ones (they didn't have the C on their chest - I think we're supposed to pretend that the Cybermen from this world looked like that at some point.)

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 5:53 p.m. CST

    doctortom - I do need to get a Cyberreview under way for 2013

    by Kathryn Gail

    I'll definitely need to revisit all available Cybermen to maximize my nitpicking power for 2013, but I feel as though the Craig's World ones were more like fever-dream Cybermen meant to represent the ramping-up of anxiety for both Craig as a father and the Doctor approaching his doom, so I'll give 'em an exemption for artistic. . . um. . . artistic what. . . artistic silly cooption of Cybermen for some emotional motif (although I suppose they really represent the inexorable stomp of time or something, so. . . fair enough, not too unCybermanly after all, I grudgingly admit). And I should jump right in with some Cyberman episodes to distract myself from having just watched Claws of Axos and wanting to rattle on about it like a 6-year-old who can't wait for next week's docback!

  • Nov. 18, 2012, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Possible sceneros.

    by blueant

    I could see using the old actors voices, perhaps in holograms or as computer audio for the present Doctor to chat with. The 2009 Star Trek Reboot used entirely new people in the roles, that could be another alternative. However, I don't think bringing back former actors worked well in any of the past Dr.Who specials to be honest. Especially the 5 doctors, that was a total mess and an embarrassment.

  • Nov. 20, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST

    So, it looks like Tannant might be back for the 50th after all

    by DoctorTom

    At least according to some sources. From Bleeding Cool asking a source: Yes. David Tennant will be back in time for the Doctor Who anniversary. Be prepared to be surprised… Now, Moffat pulling a surprise with Tennant - maybe the Pete's World Doctor? Or will it be River Song going out on a double date with Tennant and Smith at the same time?

  • Nov. 21, 2012, 5:47 a.m. CST

    @Doctom - HAT #23AF973B

    by veteran_of_mu

    In SITL River Song spends considerable time trying to engage Dr 10 in the diary game. Then she's shocked to find out he doesn't know who she is. Really, in SITL River is very, very familiar with 10. Or at least *a* 10. What's more interesting, retrospectively speaking, is that she asks 10 whether they've done Crash of the Byzantium. Because of course she did that with 11. Then there's the bit about the dampers and red settings. In previous HATs we've discussed how the Doc created those in TGWW, etc. But for River to confuse 10 with 11 ... I think there's really only one good explanation for that. River is actually married to the GangerDoc. Who can look like any of his incarnations he wants. Recalling that River regards 10 as ~pretty boy~ he probably wears that face more often than 11s ... And that gives us a pretty good way to bring any of the earlier incarnations back in the 50th. Plus a nice exit for Kingston. Have the earlier actors play various incarnations via the GangerDoc and at the end of the piece have her give 11 a kiss goodbye and swan off with ... the other 11 ...

  • Nov. 21, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Caractuspotts - another explanation

    by DoctorTom

    She didn't actually confuse the 10th with the 11th Doctor - she was dropping a hint without actually passing along a spoiler. Maybe the 11th Doctor told her if she runs into the 10th, to pretend to know him and to mention the Byzantium, since that's how he remembers it from his previous regeneration.

  • Nov. 21, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    My DW rewatch project

    by ByTor

    So early this year I started on a complete watch-through of the series. Every episode, in order. Including reconstructions. No skips allowed. It goes in fits and starts; I'm not doing one episode per day or anything like that. Some days I get through a bunch, but then I can go days without watching due to available free time. Anyway, I'm just about done with Season 22 at this point. A few thoughts: Attack of the Cybermen is solid. It's a Saward story, so you get a good plot, some nifty characters, annoying dialog and some stuff that just doesn't work. (So the Kryons need low temperatures to survive, and so they're renowned for building refrigeration units. Um...how did they evolve, exactly?) Litton is great in this. The chameleon circuit stuff is just dopey. I did not initially like Vengeance on Varos at all, but I'm rethinking that now. I still don't like Sil one bit, but the themes in the story work very well, and Martin Jarvis gives an outstanding performance. Much better than I had remembered. Mark of the Rani is worse than I remembered. That one used to be one of the better S22 episodes IMO, but...yikes, what was I thinking? The Rani is a nitwit. She spends much of the episode handing the Master vital stuff and then screaming, 'Give that back; I need it!' And the dialogue! It's almost Lucas-esque. 'Don't move, Peri! The tree won't harm you!' The Two Doctors is pretty damned good. A far sight better than any other multidoc. I know JNT did not want to use old writers on the show, but the story here should've demonstrated why Holmes was at a completely different level from the Glen McCoys and Pip-and-Janes. The political stuff, the Sontarans and Androgums, the ethical stuff about genetic engineering...he crams a lot in there and it works well. Plus, Holmes just cranks out crackling dialogue without even trying. Timelash is re-confirmed as the worst Who story ever produced, so at least there's some consistency there. Revelation is again a Saward script, though a better one than Attack. Graeme Harper is a genius, and although Androzani is a superior episode, the direction on Revelation is better. Great sets, great atmosphere, great camera work...it's all good. And credit to Saward for when he does something right, I totally love Orcini. Yeah, OK, he's a bit of a cliche, but he totally works as the archetype of the fallen hero. Great casting, too. My (few) complaints: (1) the DJ is a bit too OTT for me. I do a mini-cringe when he comes onscreen. (2) A Dalek justice system? UGH! This is COMPLETELY inconsistent with Dalek behavior up to this point, which was (A) if the Daleks need or want something, they take it, and (B) if they don't need or want it, they exterminate it on general principles. (3) The Doctor didn't really need to show up for this one. Most everything would have happened the same exact way without him. Still, a cracking episode. Shame about what comes next, but I'm looking forward to getting to the point where the Doctor isn't an asshole anymore. (I don't know why Saward was so fond of that. Even the 5th Doctor episodes he wrote has a much more irritating Davison. Earthshock is great, but the way the Doctor behaves early on? If I'd have been Adric, I'd have beaten the snot out of him.)

  • Nov. 21, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST

    @Doctom - helping your explanation a bit ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    If River isn't dismayed to find that the Doc has, for the first time, not recognised her, all of the dramatic impact of her arc disappears. And for what purpose - to give a hint the Doc can't use and doesn't need? There is another explanation, however. Maybe after Donna left River just turned up and had an adventure with 10. Nothing that left them alone - she can't actually kiss him because she has to kiss 11 the first time - and given her disposition toward pretty boy it seems unlikely she'd have missed the opportunity ...

  • Nov. 22, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST

    haha--if only!

    by Kathryn Gail

    Well as my hundreds of friends and family members get into their gold body stockings and ping-pong ball eyes for our Thanksgiving Claws of Axos observation and debriefing (mayyyyybe just a touch of hyperbbole, here. . . ), I want to wish U.S. docbackers an at-least-tolerable holiday, and everyone else a unobjectionable random Thursday. Let's get out there and have some splendid autonomous bipedal adventures before reabsorption!

  • Nov. 22, 2012, 5:03 p.m. CST

    The Reign of Terror release announced for the US now

    by DoctorTom

    February 12

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