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Capone takes his last bite of THE TWILIGHT SAGA with BREAKING DAWN, PART 2, featuring a head-poppingly crazy finale!!!
Hey everyone. Capone in Chicago here.
There have been some very capable actors who have been a part of the TWILIGHT films over the last five years, and I include lead actors Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson. Of course, there are also some actors in these films who make make it their life's mission to suck the breath and soul out of every scene they're in (I'm looking squarely into your eyes, Taylor Lautner and Ashley Greene). Having made this five-film journey with these characters and this saga that could have easily been told in a tightly edited three-film stretch, I feel I've been more than fair to these movies. I loathed Twilight, and felt that the next two films got progressively better, only to have the first part of BREAKING DAWN simply collapse in a heap on screen that no amount of vigorous, bed-breaking pretend sex could help.
The overall issues I've had with the series have little to do with how author Stephenie Meyer and screenwriter Melissa Rosenberg have essentially changed all the rules about what vampires and werewolves are. I love a good overhaul, especially in dealing with supernatural creatures that have been done to death. No, my real problem with THE TWILIGHT SAGA is that the love triangle that plays out between the chronically indecisive Bella (Stewart), the pussified vampire Edward (Pattinson), and the pouty wolf boy Jacob (Lautner) never felt real.
These actors are going through the motions of people in love, but the never inhabit the necessary emotions or even have the look of love behind their glassy eyes. There are no intimate conversations between any of these characters. They only talk about two things: being in love and anything that keeps the plot moving forward. I love a good love story, I do. But if you're going to tell one, you have to allow your characters to actually inhabit the same space long enough to convince us they can spend forever together. This is a criticism of the entire franchise, not just BREAKING DAWN. What's fascinating about this particular film is that, for the first time by my estimation, Bella and Edward show signs of a connection. They have actually found something to bond over—their daughter Renesmee (played for most of the film by Mackenzie Foy and for the rest of the film by a freakishly expressive fake-looking CGI infant).
BREAKING DAWN, PART 2 might actually be the best film in series, and not just because of the bloodless violence orgy that makes up the film's epic final sequence (seriously, heads are snapped off left and right, and not always cleanly at the neck). Somehow, having a common purpose outside of being totally into each other gives the couple and this film some much-needed breathing room. Even Lautner seems human in this movie, despite the fact that his wolf side has imprinted on Renesmee, which manifests itself as a combination of falling in love with a child and simply wanting to play bodyguard. No matter how you manipulate this plot point to make it seem less creepy, it just gets creepier. But I digress...
This might be the best of the series (which is by no means a ringing endorsement) because it has focus. It doesn't get lost in its dozens of side characters (more than a little ironic, because there are so many new characters introduced in this film that the end credits are something like 15 minutes long) or feel like it has to cram a half-dozen subplots into its framework. There is one story here: protect Renesmee from the Volturi who suspect that she is an "immortal child," who are apparently pre-pubescent vampires who can't control their bloodlust and have wiped out entire villages in the past. In fact, young Renesmee is a half-human/half-vampire mutt, born of a human and aging rapidly (no one knows whether she will age until she dies or stop at some point).
While the Volturi are gathering their forces to wipe out the Cullens, thinking they have turned a child into a vampire, the Cullens are gathering "witnesses"—people they have convinced of their innocence who will speak on their behalf when the Volturi arrive. About the first half of BREAKING DAWN, PART 2 is pretty standard-issue TWILIGHT nonsense, but once the Cullens start bringing in new vampire allies from around the world, things get interesting. Of course, having the Volturi come back in full force is the film's greatest gift. The elder vampire statesmen—including the likes of Michael Sheen as the leader, Aro, and Dakota Fanning as the sadistic Jane—have been my favorite TWILIGHT characters since they first appeared in NEW MOON. Sheen in particular knows he's in a ridiculous movie, and he camps things up with a maniacal giggle and a peacock strut that is all about wielding all the power. If you think he's overdoing it, you're right...and he's all kinds of genius for it.
As mentioned, director Bill Condon has saved the best sequence of his two films for the end. The big clash is spectacular, and while I'm fully aware that Rosenberg and Condon have changed the ending of the film from the book, I think it's an alteration for the better. And the fans in the screening I attended lost their minds when they realized the extend of the change. It's kind of stunning who lives and dies, and that's all you're getting out of me. But it's a head-popping good action sequence by any movie's standards.
The TWILIGHT films have been easy targets for sure. The capable actors I mentioned in the first paragraph couldn't save or even improve the woefully underwritten material, and the bad actors simply had their lack of talent underscored sevenfold. But I've always been rooting for something about these films to work because I'm hoping that a handful of the younger fans use these movies as a gateway to better movies about monsters in our midst and get enthusiastic about horror films in general. And Bill Condon and his team have pieced together an exit strategy that might do just that. There's about half of a fairly solid movie in BREAKING DAWN, PART 2, and for this series, that's an absolute miracle.
-- Steve Prokopy
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Nov. 16, 2012, 3:18 a.m. CST
What the hell is a Renesmee anyway? It sounds like some stupid, obscure herb that my girlfriend sends me out to the supermarket for.
by Sean
And...fuck Twilight.
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...and that mistake being "reporting" on this stupid shit. Seriously, take the article down. Please.
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literally the name renee and the name esmee shoved together. Cause, you know, plausible child naming strategy.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 4:03 a.m. CST
My wife said people were screaming and crying and shouting and walking out.
by tomandshell
Sounds like some twist really scarred them for life. I think it sounds hilarious.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 4:18 a.m. CST
How many people have been paid to scream and cry and leave the theater?
by HornOrSilk
I have watched none of the films nor read any of the books. But come on, this so-called twist ending is nonsense. I read what it was. It was just a vision of what could be. Then everything comes back and no one is dead. Woah. That's right. It's another "we will kill everyone to show you what it would be like, but it's all just a vision, not what is" trope done to death on shows like Star Trek. Seriously. People leaving not knowing they are being played like that? The world really is that dumb?! I think some people are being paid to leave like that to make attention for the film. It made me google the twist to see what would cause such a reaction.
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because I don't have a vagina.
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Copied from The Kidd's review, I agree with most of what's in this one as well.... In terms of story quality, I have a low opinion of Twilight. It's crap. A poorly drawn fantasy filled with shallow and unrealistic characters that tries hard and unsuccessfully to convince you that it's not merely a tract for Stephenie Meyer's entrenched Mormon faith. (Don't believe me? Find a scanned word doc. version of the books and word-replace "Mormon" for "Vampire", "Indian" for "Werewolf", and "Catholic" for "Volturi"....it will make SO much more sense.) And of course, as Stephen King said (I'm paraphrasing), "Harry Potter is about friendship, loyalty, courage and doing the right thing. Twilight is about having a hot boyfriend." Having said that, I've seen all the films. I'm not a Twihard. I'm not a teenage girl, their mom or their gay friend. So why have I seen them all? Because I'm a movie/pop culture junkie, I'm involved in the industry, and I actually go on dates with girls. So, though I couldn't get more than a hundred pages into book one, I've been following the cinematic exploits of these characters from the beginning. Movie one was bad--but since I went in with subzero expectations, it was watchable, far more than I expected. Movie 2 was definitely better than 1, and 3 was better than 2--in fact, I only blanched a little bit leaving the theater and calling it "pretty good"--such as it is. Movie 4.0, by contrast, was pretty awful, as bad as the review here says and worse. (Seriously, Bill Condon, have your CHICAGO accolades really faded so far that you needed the Twilight paycheck?) But I saw a sneak preview of 4.5--aka Breaking Dawn 2--last night (with TWO dates!) at an industry screening, and I have to say...yeah. Pretty much everything the Kidd had to say, I agree with. Though I still find Bella to be a passive, weak, shallow, bland, and unsympathetic character, Ms. Stewart, DOES improve in this role, though that's not saying much. (I keep reminding myself that she did a great job in The Runaways, proving that even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while--though having Joan Jett cracking the whip over her shoulder certainly had something to do with that. I'd love to see her paired up with Michael Cera someday; they would make for the blandest and most annoying onscreen couple, ever.) The acting talent is impressive for the most part, and the effects are pretty good, especially on the wolves (though some early sequences of the newly Vampified Stewart couldn't help but remind me of Lindsay Wagner running in the opening sequences of the old Bionic Woman TV show). I was making the exact same "X-Men" comparison in my head during the "Meet The Vampires of the World" montage, but some of them were still pretty damn cool. And yes, I'll confess, to see the likes of the lovely Maggie Grace (whom I recently met on a promotional stop for the movie and she couldn't have been nicer), Dakota Fanning and the always adorable Ashley Greene all Vamped out definitely aroused my male interest. I've never actually been bothered by Lautner--he has always struck me as the most genuine of the group, and the one with the brightest future, career wise; and yes, the child actress playing Renesmee (do I need to add to the criticism of that name?) was creepy and extraordinary, in the truest sense of both terms. And like the Kidd I will also single out Michael Sheen's leader of the Volturi as a Vampire villain who definitely deserves a far better context/story/franchise. The final battle sequence shocked me in that it actually displayed far more balls and--ahem--bite than I'd have ever given the series credit for; unfortunately, all the reluctant cool points it earned were immediately revoked by its final resolution which, while I won't spoil it here, makes it such that I'll never be able to watch that sequence again with the same level of emotional investment (and I'm almost embarrassed to admit that finally, towards the very end, I did, in fact, have ANY level of investment in this story and these characters). Suffice it to say that it took what seemed to be the first glimpse of depth, and substance, this series has shown, and completely pissed it away into the wind. It was almost a tease--"See, I CAN be *about* something...but I choose not to be. Deal with it." Having said that, the overall ride of this movie makes it the best of the bunch; I've certainly been on far worse. Indeed, this may be the only one that I *might* want to see a second time. (Not that I'm chomping at the bit to do so anyway; there are far better movies, let alone vampire movies, that I have shamefully neglected.) Also, because I doubt it will be mentioned by many, the single best and classiest note of the entire series doesn't ring until after the end of the movie proper; it's an ending credit sequence that is really, truly, beautiful and impressive (words that also apply to the cinematography and the natural scenery in this film; they are truly stunning). And the one thing I'll never knock are the soundtracks and scores for these films, which have been uniformly impressive. So for all the negatives of this series, it ends on a more positive note than I'd have ever expected. (And I might even go see The Host.) But I truly hope Ms. Meyer means it and doesn't plan to revisit this world. I think we've had enough. And with 3 more Hunger Games films, 3 Hobbit films, more Star Wars, Star Trek, Avengers, X-Men, Batman, Superman, et al--we don't NEED more. (And please for the love of any God(s) who may exist or ever have, NO 50 SHADES OF GREY MOVIE!) And I also hope we see *real* Vampires back on screen again someday...not these Mormon surrogates, not the mindless bloodsuckers, but the elegant, aristocratic creatures as, say, depicted by the Queen of all modern Vampire lore, Anne Rice. In fact to any producers or agents reading, I have a take on "The Vampire Lestat" that will knock your socks off. Call me, we'll do lunch...
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Nov. 16, 2012, 4:47 a.m. CST
dick jones et al - it's a movie news and review site. So you don't like Twilight? Don't fucking read it then!
by irishraidersfan
Personally, I hate Twilight, but I'm not going to diss a movie site for REVIEWING A MOVIE!
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Nov. 16, 2012, 4:58 a.m. CST
My favorite part was when the Vampires were having a party and drinking glasses of menstruation.
by Mr Soze
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Nov. 16, 2012, 5:07 a.m. CST
I sure am glad this shit is finally over. No more Twilight movies. Rejoice!
by Mr. Pricklepants
On to the next series of badly written chick lit: FIFTY SHADES OF GREY.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 5:36 a.m. CST
THe only way to watch twilight is buy purchasing a rifftrax soundtrack
by rakesh patel
http://www.rifftrax.com/rifftrax/twilight it got me through the first one man.
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anyone?
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Nov. 16, 2012, 6:35 a.m. CST
Don't get too excited, we'll get all this shit again when 50 Shades comes out.
by Mark Jones
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There isn't really a *twist*, its just the final battle is actually just a vision of what would happen IF they fought. After the vision ends everyone decides to go home and not fight. Everyone lives, noone actually dies.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 6:58 a.m. CST
That's perfect for a twist! ... So much footage for trailers!
by Rockstar88
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anyone that thinks that must be new to $$$.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 8:16 a.m. CST
Twilight Zone. From the makers of twilight. That would be fucking great because it would ensure 10 twilight zone movies. Each and every one an enigma of
by UltraTron
of impenetrable obelisk. Twilight fans would constantly show up for each film with their dollars wondering when the plot was going to make any sense to them or when Bella was going to show up.
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Yup. Believe it.
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Prepare.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST
Another good part is when the Wolf boy licked his testicles for a half hour
by Mr Soze
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So the poster featuring all the jogging/dancing is basically a gigantic marketing lie? "Come see our new movie, where this awesome* action scene doesn't actually happen, it's just a big daydream one of the characters has shortly before they decide to do nothing at all!"? That's... kind of bad. *Action scene may not contain actual awesomeness
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Nov. 16, 2012, 8:35 a.m. CST
I also liked the part where the Shovel faced Vampire performed abortions for the pregnant teenage girl.
by Mr Soze
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Nov. 16, 2012, 8:38 a.m. CST
And the part when the pale female robot got her pussy licked by the director of that other shitty movie i
by Mr Soze
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Maybe I'm not hip to what the kids are into these days, but I'm having trouble figuring out how this is cool news.
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When the first film was announced I thought I'd go see it because I'd heard so much about the books. And though I'm a hardcore 'rockets and rayguns' sci fi fan, I do like fanasty horror stuff too. But as soon as I saw the first Twilight trailer I lost all interest of seeing it...at least paying money and taking time to see it at the theater. I figured I see the movies on satellite or borrow them from the library one day. That day has not come yet. Same thing with the Harry Potter books and movies. The more I hear or read about them the less interest I have in them. Ain't for me. And they seem kinda shitty, from my point of view.
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Go away never to return.
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Another good part is when the Wolf boy licked his testicles for a half hour
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For some reason, the rest of my comment didn't show up. I was thanking you for the laugh...I needed that this morning.
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But I think she might be the next Karen Carpenter if you catch my drift. I hope she gets some help.
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Begin Quote: Renesmee . . . ."literally the name renee and the name esmee shoved together. Cause, you know, plausible child naming strategy." End Quote Have you seen what people name their kids? That literally sounds like a naming strategy pulled out of just about any hospital's birth ward. It may be stupid as hell, but it's not abnormal in practice.
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That is all.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 10:26 a.m. CST
cureguy - thte staff promised good reviews in exchange for the usual coffee cups and posters - deal was done round about time of Comic-Con.
by larsson
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Nov. 16, 2012, 10:26 a.m. CST
If you wanna see Kristen Stewart's tits, watch On the Road.
by Mr. Pricklepants
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Nov. 16, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST
Just waiting on the Ginja Ninja's now - come on now Harry-san - IRS info and Twilight review please. Your talkbackers await you...
by larsson
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Nov. 16, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST
If you want to see Kstews tits direct a shitty Snow White movie.
by kindofabigdeal
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Nov. 16, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST
Twist ending is...Edward steers the nuclear device from the town and it explodes.
by kindofabigdeal
Only to show up after the funeral in Paris with Bella. End credits.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST
And will somebody tell me whether or not Wolfboy goes Serbian Film on Renesmee?
by kindofabigdeal
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Is that seriously the ending? That is terrible. Like The Devil Inside terrible. It boggles the mind that people are so emotionally attached to something that badly written. It's like they're giving the finger to everyone who stuck with it this long.
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They should redub the kid's lines so she sounds like the girl from Manos The Hands of Fate, Edward should be redubbed with lines from Adam Sandler's The Buffoon, and Bella's lines should be sped up so she sounds like a chipmunk.
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It was fun watching the Twi-hards squirming in their seats, watching the "ending" while I laughed out loud. The gasps of relief were met with my long sigh of WTF, when I realized I had just watched 15 minutes of something that never even happened. Still, it was pretty much the only way they could make the book's lame ending watchable on screen, so I'm not mad at them for doing it the way they did. And for those 15 minutes when all their beloved Vamps were getting their heads ripped off, I was in heaven.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 1 p.m. CST
Just as I believe that The Hunger Games would be awful without Jennifer Lawrence in practically every scene, the "dead eye zombie" performance that Kristen Stewart achieves is integral to the Twilight's success.
by openthepodbaydoorshal
Much easier for the tweenage girls and bored middle aged housewives to imagine themselves in Bella's place when she's portrayed as a blank slate.
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Not a lot of 'it's the worst movie ever' or much 'this is a high water mark of cinema'. That's probably how it should be. On a personal level, I just wish so many reviewers didn't make apologies for the original stories, bad acting and obnoxiously awful romantic vampire nonsense. Ya know the, 'it's good even though...' crap that appears in nearly every review. I've seen the first two now, and they aren't my thing. Doubt I'll ever watch the remainder of the series.
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Oh my gawd, you're so right. That blank slate thing - I think there are a ton of ladies and girls that are out there that think "OMG, I'm misunderstood and I'm so much smarter than all of my friends! Just like Bella!" Someone forced me to read the first book once and all I could think of is every girl's gonna think she's a Bella because they all want the hot guy to notice what a unique and beautiful snowflake they are. Eventually I gave up on the book and just re-watched Vampire Hunter D. I was a lot happier that way.
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Disney has just purchased Summit Entertainment. Twilight 4-37 will be released within the next two years. Bella is now a princess and a certain vampire will be resurrected.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST
re: "I realized I had just watched 15 minutes of something that never even happened"
by buggerbugger
So it's official: 'Twilight' is so bad that it steals the dumbest ideas from Rob Zombie's dumbest movies. The only thing that could make it dumber would be, as the opposing armies race towards each other across the ice, someone yells, "C-c-c-c-COWWWWW!" but everyone's moving too fast to put on the breaks and they all slam face-first into a bovine ice-skater.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST
So, the ending of the movie is the same as the ending of the book? There's a big fight and it turns out to be just a vision from the psychic vampire chick.
by Mr. Pricklepants
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Nov. 16, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST
spineless twat Capone manages to apologize for the movie while insulting everyone who has anything to do with it. They must love you.
by golden tribw
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Nov. 16, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST
I'm sure most people on here weren't planning on seeing it anyways, but
by Felix
spoiling one of the best momments in the movie is pretty shitty I saw this last night and the entire audience had such a fun reaction during that particular scene. It's like telling people about the Hulk/Loki scene in the Avengers. Why be a dick and take the fun out of it for people who are going to see it?
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Nov. 16, 2012, 5:56 p.m. CST
On the bright side, at least nobody got to pull a James Holmes on any Twihards.
by Bill C.
Dead serious: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57551315/police-arrest-mo-man-planning-mass-shooting-at-breaking-dawn-screening-walmart/
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Nov. 16, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST
Now what will the fat, white woman demographic stand in line for?
by Mel
Sure won't be twinkies.
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Her special power is to stare at someone and shoot a rainbow at them.
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It's a combination of the names: Renee and Esme'
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I went to see GRINDHOUSE. There were signs -everywhere- about it being a double-feature. I was there with about twenty people in attendance. All but myself and one other guy got up to leave after the first movie ended, during credits, even though it was only like 70 minutes long. The other guy yells out to people THIS IS A DOUBLE FEATURE! THERE'S ANOTHER MOVIE, WHY ARE YOU ALL LEAVING? Idiot douchebag mothereffers all sat down again and waited for next movie. SO moronic. SO moronic.
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I actually found it pretty freaking entertaining. I seriously think this may be the first major blockbuster movie to be directed ironically. I totally get the feeling that Bill Condon is in on the joke, that he's completely aware of how terrible Twilight is. Not to mention that the entire last act of the film is basically trolling the fans of the books. Condon gave Bella a personality, Jacob a shirt, and the series a climax. Holy crap, he's the wizard of Oz!
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is there poop or blood? Also, when she grows rapidly into adulthood will she still have the mind of a baby? Cause that would be fucking funny.
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as of now I'm on a mission to redub this film.
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and felt that I was finally getting my reward when the good guys were getting slaughtered. Like when Carlisle died, I was fucking shocked. When Jasper died, I was actually sad, and when the wolves were dying, knowing that they are just TEENAGERS, I was becoming horrified, and yet I knew there there had to be FUCKING consequences, and a PRICE, for the good guys to be victorious. I finally felt like the series had elevated beyond SHIT and had the balls to execute every last mother fucker in the room. This movie had POTENTIAL to have the greatest final battle of any movie. Imagine Han Solo, Chewy, Lando, getting slaughtered in Jedi. Imagine Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas getting slaughtered in that final fight. Fuck, I didn't even give a shit when Trinity died in the matrix. Even though I'm not comparing Twilight to those film series, it was still shocking and yet satisfying to see characters that had been there since day one getting fucking owned....AND THEN THEY TAKE IT ALL FUCKING BACK BECAUSE IT WAS JUST A VISION OF THE FUTURE AND NO ONE HAS TO FIGHT AND DIE. Way to fucking ruin what could have been the greatest final battle of any movie series. Shit, my mind was fucking BLOWN when the elemtalist, who was a good guy mind you, fucking opened up the earth and killed both bad guys AND GOOD GUYS. Both sides, including wolves, were falling to their fucking dooms and it was so totally FUCKED UP. But it was all a lie. Damn man. I have been well and truly trolled...
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It's your fault, you should've had the foresight to know how Godawful this franchise is, and now it's going to haunt you for the rest of your life. Cheers
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I am so fucking butt hurt right now I can't fucking stand it. The only thing worse than a shitty movie, is a good movie completely fucking you in the ass right at the fucking end. They completely shit the bed at the last fucking minute. I still can't believe this fucking happened.
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I'm just glad they happened to other people.
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Nov. 18, 2012, 7:35 a.m. CST
Why aren't more people bothered by Wolf Boy's pedophilia?
by Fries Against
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there are so many negative comments from people who seem to hate the Twilight series. But they must interest you enough for you to read this review, and it seems you know A LOT about the movies.
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Everybody who isn't a fan of the books is bothered by it, I can assure you. I really enjoyed the movie mainly because of how hard Condon managed to troll both the fans and the haters. I can almost see him doing the trollface grin and saying "U MAD BRO?"
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Nov. 19, 2012, 12:33 a.m. CST
Yep...everyone here bitching and moaning actually watched this film...myself included...although I held onto my 10 bucks by utilizing a torrent...
by REMcycle
...and it REALLY wasn't THAT bad. Not great, mind you...but yes, the best in the series. Finally some good fighting...even if it is, well, you probably know the spoiler by now... Also FUCK @LARSSON. Kidd's review was spot on and always is.
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Nov. 19, 2012, 8:18 a.m. CST
Reading through these comments, that twist ending is hilarious.
by Jason
Seriously, how can they do something so large and then act like it never happened? That is weak writing. I feel bad for anyone who wasted time and money on this shit.
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The main older vampire got his head ripped off (the guy played by Peter Facinelli). And then all of this mayhem started happening, and I thought, oh shit, this isn't half bad. And large groups of girls were gasping in the audience. My girlfriend dragged me to see this, and even she, after reading the books, said as the credits rolled, "That movie was terrible". And it was. Horrible scriptwriting, bad dialogue, lifeless characters. Just awful. And it has nothing to do with me being a guy. I can appreciate romantic movies. But even the romance itself is forced and one-dimensional. Do not get tricked by these paid staffers saying its "not as bad as they expected, and quite good". It's just as fucking terrible as the last one and all the ones before it.
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For a site that raped and mutilated TDKR in reviews this awful piece of shit seems to be treated like an Oscar contender. Not since Prey For death starring Sho Koshogi, 25 plus years ago, have I yelled out "what a load of crap" in a movie theatre. I have seen many bad movies in my life. I usually wait until the end of the movie to discuss my thoughts. However, this film was crap from the start. The only interesting character/actor, Billy Burke, was regulated to a few filler scenes. When it finally got good with a long action battle scene and the escape of the child, they pulled a "Bobby Ewing". When that happened the theatre went quiet and without allowing my brain to stop my mouth I yelled out my comment. The theatre agreed. Yet this movie gets a pass on this site. You guys really have no credibility
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