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Kathleen Kennedy To Lucasfilm Employees: I Want To Make Two Or Three Films Per Year!!
That’s a picture of a page of the latest issue of Entertainment Weekly, which just landed in my mailbox.
Does Kennedy mean two or three “Star Wars” movies per year? Does this mean skittish filmmakers like J.J. Abrams might be able to play in the Star Wars sandbox without having to abide that treatment George Lucas hired the “Little Miss Sunshine” guy to write?
Or is she just talking about sequels to "Red Tails" and "Radioland Murders"?
The same EW piece confirms the plan to return to the characters in the original 1977-1983 trilogy, but there’s no word on the size of the roles Han, Leia and Luke will undertake.
I’m not the only one who wants Abrams on “Star Wars.” Ben Affleck says the “Star Trek” director would “kill it.” In a good way.
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But Abrams (one of three directors who were forwarded the Lucas-generated treatment -- Steven Spielberg and Brad Bird are the others) seems less excited than we. He tells EW, "I have some original stuff that I'm working on next."
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Thank You.
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A film every two or three years seems to be the company line. EW got the quote wrong.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST
That's quite a few movies 2 or 3 Every year...Saturation Wars...how soon till we are tired of it
by MasterControlProgram
-- End of Line --
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST
Maybe 2-3 movies overall (Indy, Willow, Howard the Duck) but not 3 SW flicks.
by kindofabigdeal
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It's Lucasfilm as a company, not just Star Wars
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST
I was hoping we'd leave the old characters behind and start anew
by sonnyfern
I hope what I'm hearing about them bringing Darth Vader back is bullshit too...that'd pretty much ruin the whole first trilogy. I hope Han and the crew have small roles...or shit...haha kill 'em off within the first 15 minutes :- )
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST
How many will be direct to video, low budget stuff to milk the franchise just like Disney animation used to do? Go for quality not quantity.
by Joey Stars
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New material?
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Disney's own imprint does a cross-section of movies, albeit leaning towards the G/PG side of things, while Touchstone Pictures and now Marvel Studios handles the rest. SW aside, obviously, where will Lucasfilm's projects fit in?
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST
I think the most interesting part of this excerpt is that their continuing with the old characters.
by kindofabigdeal
Let them pass the baton and have one last hurray. They are the ones that excited our young minds at one point. Just don't make Luke or Han do any stunts that will remind us of Indy 4.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST
WTF is it with this deification of Jar Jar Abrams?
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
First, a story where this writer insinuates that directors are staying away from Star Wars Ep. 7 because of the Lucas-comissioned treatment (with absolutely no evidence), and a call for Jar Jar to be able to rip up said treatment and do whatever he wants. Now, a reiteration of that latter sentiment. I'm sorry, but Jar Jar Abram's has no claim whatsoever over Star Wars (especially not over Lucas), and no right to piss all over that particular sandbox (as he did Trek). No one with any sense wants him near it.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:25 p.m. CST
This is sooo awesome. 2 to 3 star wars movies a year! Thats great! No one would ever get burned out on them!
by Shangatron
Cant wait can you?
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But please, God, no more Red Tails. What a massive piece of shit that movie was. Wasn't even straight to DVD quality. Such a damn shame. Great story, important piece of military history, utterly ruined.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST
'willow 2'. 'howard the duck 2'. 'red-tails 2'. 'Indiana Jones part 13'.
by Raptor Jesus
Oh joy.
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ever notice how his nose looks like a penis?? ok that has nothing to do with his lack of talent, but I think it need s to be pointed out
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...I feel "safer" if they just pick up the story 1,000 years after the death of Anakin/Vader. It can be new, faster-paced and set up a new precedent for future STAR WARS films.
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The story needed to be told again.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST
Perhaps LucasFilm will be employing the Marvel Films business model
by Frank Grimes
Give major Star Wars characters titular movie franchises that build up to Star Wars "Episode" movies where they all team-up? And in the case of Ep VII, that movie will introduce new SW characters, which will be the launching point for their own sub-franchise, mini-trilogies? Give the bounty hunter smuggler character a trilogy, the Jedi Master a trilogy, etc. Marvel seems to release at least 2 movies per year and they seem to be growing, and that's a very lucrative model for them.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST
Darth Vader will be resurrected for the sequels. Obvious really
by catlettuce4
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/357610/Darth-Vader-to-be-resurrected
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:40 p.m. CST
The main protagonist should be Luke Skywalker and Leia should be killed at the end of the film
by Chaz
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST
Abrams would be perfect for me, since I would know it would be shit and never be tempted to buy a ticket merely out of curiosity.
by justmyluck
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST
catlettuce4: Megan Fox to play Catwoman in Dark Knight Rises
by Hercules
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/2606745/Megan-Fox-has-signed-up-to-play-Catwoman-in-the-next-Batman-movie.html
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST
Cameron is the only man capable of pulling off a Star Wars, Howard the Duck and Indiana Jones movie in one year.
by UltraTron
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST
The wachowskis could do it. They could do it so good your head would shit into your neck.
by UltraTron
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Not necessarily Star Wars, she wants the company to be more active in the movie industry, maybe original animations (they practically made Rango), musicals, comedies, etc. How many movies have Lucasfilm made so far outside of Star Wars?
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST
It's a misquote, Kennedy said a SW movie every 2-3 years.
by Hardboiled Wonderland
I'm surprised anyone at EW can put their pants on the right way every morning. I know AICN people have trouble...
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Or a TV series. Get Ronald D. Moore to make it.
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Lucasfilm was hindered by the fact that it was a HUGE company, requiring the oversight of ONE man. I'm not a Lucas basher - but the potential for Lucasfilm was always way bigger than the imagination of one man. Now that the man has stepped aside, other people can let their imaginations run loose with the tools of ILM, Skywalker Sound, Lucasarts, etc; etc; etc; 2-3 movies is easy. I'll bet most movie studios would kill to have the tools to work with that Lucasfilm does. Maybe this will usher in the age that Zoetrope was supposed to. Artists with the best imaginations using the best tools to create the best movies. We can only hope. And if not, I really wouldn't mind seeing Willow's Revenge: The curse of Madmartigan, anyway.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST
Hercules - even a clock is right twice a day. It'd be mad for them not to bring back the villain somehow
by catlettuce4
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....Ben Affleck is being VERY polite.......HE is a way better director than Abrams...ie - see - Gone Baby Gone, The Town, Argo...
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The URL was going well till it is said express.co.uk. If any UK tabloid prints the headline 'The sky is blue.' I'd go outside to check.
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Good thing you had that calculator handy. No time for Photoshop, I must get this Star Wars news out before Beaks.
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Just becaause someone has an opinion about Star Wars on a message board does not make them a fan. When people bash Lucas and the prequels, I would hardly call them a fan of Star Wars. The 6 episodes form one long story that's been molded since around 1973. The people who bash Lucas and the prequels to death (not talking about minor gripes) as if they are satan's spawn would never like a new Star Wars movie unless the idea was completely changed from anything it has ever resembled, ie JJ Trek. Hopefully Disney execs realize "Star Wars fans" do not include the Lucas bashers, who are just hipster posers who made fun of Star Wars fans in the 80s. They pretended they loved 4-6 starting in 1997 or 98 so they could have more ammo to bash the Special Editions and then the prequels. They are quite simply the bully on the playground who made fun of Star Wars geeks since the beginning.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:02 p.m. CST
Boba Fett will be back. You heard it hear first.
by Hardboiled Wonderland
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST
Darth Vader was cremated on a big freaking fire. He's ashes. The only possibility I see...
by Hardboiled Wonderland
... is the ewoks organise another caravan of courage to resurrect Darth in the mythical fountain of youth where a fairy has the power to bring Anakin back to life. C'mon, Disney... we want more ewoks!
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST
Sarlacc Pit to be voiced by David Lynch, given solo movie. "The Lives of Those I'm Digesting" told by Lynch in flashbacks via symbiont memory link.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST
Lucasfilm co-chairman has told employees she wants the company to produce two or three films per year
by Jaka
What is so difficult to understand about that sentence? It doesn't say, of even IMPLY, Star Wars films. It says Lucasfilm, which as a production company could EASILY complete that many films in per year, so long as they're making money on them.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST
The first Disney adult film will star a VERY reluctant (and visibly uncomfortable) Warwick Davis.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Bring it!
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:26 p.m. CST
Down and Out in Beverly Hills was the first adult Disney movie, way back in 1986
by Jaka
Yeah, it says Buena Vista, but that's Disney, and that movie was the first R rated film they had anything to do with. I believe the most 'adult' they'd gone before that was Daryl Hannah's ass in 'Splash'.
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just give it to JJ already--yeah right JJ I'm suuuuuuure you're not psyched at the opportunity to shoot the next Star Wars....I'm suuuuuuure you're way more hyped about your "original" material....lol
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...in which case, yeah, Willow would most likely not look comfortable. I tried to work in a joke about Brownies... couldn't find one...
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I like Abrams, just don't think he would do Star Wars justice. Guillermo del Toro would be my top choice if he were willing.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:28 p.m. CST
Disney announces 'The Sarlaac Pit: A Thousand Years of Pain and Suffering'
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Comprising of an eight hour long static shot of the Sarlaac sweltering under the Tatooine sun. Then, at the end, the mouth emits a single, solitary burp. Fade to black. Note: Option to be run on a continuous loop, ad infinitum, at art galleries across the world. To be directed by the ghost of Andy Warhol.
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If indeed that is not a misquote, and Kennedy means 2-3 films a year, wouldn't it be great if she initiated the comeback of the business model she, Spielberg and Frank Marshall had going in the 80's when that amazing trio were just knocking one homerun movie after another, where they would produce some OTHER talented filmmakers and fill seats like no other (Zemeckis, Dante, Spielberg himself, so many others) THIS is what I would LOVE to see Kennedy attempt...do it, babe...you've got the power to make it happen!!!
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST
RE: BRING BACK DARTH VADER. YOU THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY SUIT THAT THE EMPEROR HAD BUILT? PUT ANOTHER GUY IN THERE INSTEAD OF ANAKIN, KEEP JEJ'S VOICE. DONE AND DONE.
by Darth Busey
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:36 p.m. CST
Did the looney bin just recently grant internet access to their "guests"?
by one9deuce
I'm mostly looking at you jeshopk. Jeepers H. Christmas you're shithouse rat crazy. You are TOTALLY WRONG about what kind of person a Prequel Basher is. Most of us don't like the Prequels for one very simple reason: They aren't very good. It really is that simple. I know you'd like it to be something more to do with rose colored nostalgia glasses, or being a hipster, or being a hater, or being a jock douchebag, or being an elitist. But, it's because they suck. I wanted to like them more than any movies that I've ever seen. But I'm not an apologist. They just aren't very good. It isn't because I was an adult for the Prequels and a child for the Original Trilogy. I love BATMAN (1989) I like BATMAN RETURNS I don't care for BATMAN FOREVER I dislike BATMAN AND ROBIN I really really like BATMAN BEGINS I absolutely love THE DARK KNIGHT I like THE DARK KNIGHT RISES See? I'm objective. Not a hater, I love some entries in the BATMAN films. I don't just blindly love every entry in a series like some sycophant. I love ALIEN I'm obsessed and IN love with ALIENS I respect and like ALIEN 3 I fucking hate ALIEN: RESURRECTION It's called being objective. I like some, I love some, I dislike some, and I hate some. Quit being a sycophant.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST
She's not meaning 2-3 Star Wars films a year! Maybe some more Indy or something else Lucasfilm related.
by peter
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST
I see no reason why Vader's force spirit or whatever it is, shouldn't reanimate something. Maybe a kid... Whoopeee!
by catlettuce4
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST
At least these new films will give Seth McFarlane something new to do with the Griffins
by theDORK
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST
mustgofaster Hey, if John Williams scores a one-off like that it might make up for some hack replacing him on 7-9
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:48 p.m. CST
one9deuce, it would be in your best interest to watch Dr. Thomas Szasz instead of trying to label Star Wars 1-3 fans mentally ill. I've been around long enough to know the bashers are poser/nonfans.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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dont wanna see the original characters all old and being like 65 year old rock stars trying to look and act like they are still 20.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:53 p.m. CST
Hercules should have linked to the Brit tabloid saying Cher would be Catwoman
by paladinryan
These fake tabloids are supposed to be funny, guys. Don't take them seriously just because they're British.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:56 p.m. CST
azultool I've been a Star Wars fan since 77 and I've NEVER seen a Star Wars movie that didn't have its fair share of detractors raining on the parade. Star Wars will never be a big crowdpleaser. If anybody's excited, they WILL be let down.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST
Of COURSE she does NOT mean "two or three Star Wars films a year"
by D.Vader
What a stupid prospect. They've already said their timetable for Star Wars is a movie every 2-3 years. Sheesh.
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Its from the Brits. They never have reliable info on movies.
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Given the breadth of talent and finances at Lucasfilm's disposal, the possibilities for IPs are endless.
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Thanks for putting some sanity on display, I'm almost in full agreement with you, and what little I'm not isn't noteworthy. I wish I could say I care enough to say the prequels suck, but I'm the guy who doesn't even think ROTJedi deserves to be on the 'good' list. Bad is bad, no matter the series. Same with Raiders. I don't like the other Indy movies, they offer rapidly diminishing returns, they got sillier and sillier; hell, Temple of Doom barely has a fully-written Indy in it. Bad is bad is bad. You can't be a genius each time out. Look how Bond ebbs and flows...
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Nov. 15, 2012, 8:11 p.m. CST
People Bash the Prequels becuase they lump them together when they think of them
by lowman
But honsestly, if you rate them individually they are not all that bad and some of them are better than the original trilogy. In order I would rate them: Empire Strikes back Return of the Jedi Revenge of the Sith Attack of the Clones A New Hope Phantom Menace If just 1 or 2 of the new trilogy are as good as or better that Revenge of the Sith it would be well worth the effort
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Let's hope not. We'll end up with numerous clones of the Father's product (Batteries Not Included, Casper, Flintstones, eeeesh). Would be great if they'd risk tarnishing their family-friendly rep by doing some truly challenging material that other production companies won't/don't dare approach. But this is no longer the guy who made THX1138; this is the guy who is unaware he's making the Christmas Special again and again. (I'm aware it's KK "running the show" now; riiiiiiight....)
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Nov. 15, 2012, 8:16 p.m. CST
Oh, no, no, no! No way are any of them better than the OT. However...
by Jaka
...I do agree that they get a bit too much hate. My usual line is, I like them, but I don't LOVE them like the OT. I feel no passion about them at all. I'm glad there is three more SW movies, and they don't lessen the awesome of the OT for me in the least. The problem was that they didn't really end up adding anything greatness to the OT, either. That's just my two cents, though. And my point is basically that people do seem to be a bit over the edge about the PT. There's a lot of cool stuff that happens those movies. <p> But midichlorians make you gay. <p> That still makes me laugh.
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...Pixar would hit a home fucking run with it.
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...cuz I sure can't. Y'know, like a "Luke looking at the two Suns" moment. Or the "Trust your feelings" bit. Or the "Han-Leia I-Love-You, I-Know" carbon freezing exchange. Or the "Chewbacca wailing as the Shield Doors close" moment. Yoda's "That is why you fail" reproach. --Unless you get misty-eyed over sand getting into everything, and weepy in Senate debates, or crybabying over Natalie Portman naming her twins at the snap of a finger, I'm afraid you'll be at a loss. These movies should have emotional power. That's it, that's all. We want moments that remind us to trust in ourselves and trust in each other. The latter movies had two moments: --the Little Darth leaves his mom on Tatooine...and it seemed to have been directed by a guy who couldn't be bothered to get out of his fucking director's chair, it only half-worked because of John Williams. --then Hayden rescues his dying mother from the Oakland Raiders. Tusken, sorry. And really, did that affect anyone? Not me. Felt like the director/creator was pushing necessary buttons to spur Hayden's motivations in such a mechanical way, I half-expected to start seeing assembly-line scenes appear. Oh wait -- that did happen. And R2D2 flew. Urgh. Dunno about you, but the latest three were a lot of rushed gobbledygook about shoehorning that Hayden guy into the suit as quickly (read: conveniently) as possible. Lucas was right, he became what he loathed. Filmmaker by Rote.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 8:34 p.m. CST
Jaka and Lowman? Yes, the PT truly deserve the hate they get
by Monroville
If you like any of the PTs better than ANH Lowman, not a prob. I just want to say that just because people have different opinions doesn't mean it's going to change or insult mine. I never quite understood just why most humanoids are so bloody sensitive that they feel titty twisted simply because someone had a different point of view. Regardless, even with that said, the PTs truly "do" deserve the hatred they receive, if not for what they might or might not do to STAR WARS in general (much less the OT) but simply as movies on their own they are awful beyond belief. Let us list the most blatant sins of the PT: (1) bland acting from actors and actresses that should know better, as quite a few of them have experience and talent enough to fill in any gaps and massive green screens might provide. (2) bland stories with either not much at risk or the risk not really being taken all that seriously, characters acting complacent or out-of-character to allow plot points to be accomplished by the villain(s) and/or too much focus on superficial things like spaceships taking off and landing. (3) bland villains such as robots that stand no chance of harming our heroes, or evil jedi that the good jedi cannot really fight against (much less sense their very presence). In the end, you really have a whole lot of movement of not a lot of actual comprehensible storytelling. Worse, the entire thing seemed to be made for preschoolers in terms of.. well, everything. I could point to Red Letter Media's thorough and well thought out reviews of the three PTs (which are quite amusing on their own), but that would be rather redundant. Just as movies, regardless of their connection to STAR WARS, they just aren't very good. But, as a more well known asshole once said, that's just me... I could be wrong.
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Star Wars related: A tattoo shop near my house has an artist who is putting some Star Wars inspired flash together. http://nonipplesonthesuit.com/2012/11/15/you-can-finally-get-that-ig-88-tattoo-youve-always-wanted-im-not-kidding/
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Really, how many times does this have to be stated?
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Nov. 15, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST
Of course it's not 3 star wars films. However it'll of course involve animated kids stuff.
by Charlie
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Nov. 15, 2012, 8:49 p.m. CST
Either she meant 3 movies per year or a movie every 3 years...
by bubcus
... but really, if Lucasfilm is set to focus on FANTASY films along the lines of Indiana Jones, Willow, and Star Wars, then that is fantastic. We've been craving that magic for years. Heck, if they can get Jim Henson Studios on board we may even see Power of the Dark Crystal finally come to screens. I would love to see more fantasy and sci-fi fantasy films under the Lucasfilm moniker and praise this news.
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Deep down you never wanted to be Luke when you were playing in the backyard. You wanted to be Capitan Solo. If you decide you want to kill him Disney do it in a blaze of glory....
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Cuz Megan Fox (Cuz Lea Thompson..bless her glorious ass...is too old), Warwick Davis and Val Kilmer need the fucking work! Come on...who wouldn't pay to watch Megan get it on with CGI Waterfowl? Just kidding...of course LucasFilms is going to make films...they are no longer the occasional toy of a Multi Billionaire but now a full fledged Studio that is expected to... ya know....actually make fucking movies.
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And the Millenium Falcon is up on blox, Cuz Han likes Hairy Wookie Cox!
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although Kilmer needs to fuckin go on a crash diet, and will his hot ex wife play Sorsha again? She was crazy hot in that flick.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 9:07 p.m. CST
Hope they don't cheap out on us. That was Hammond's mistake.
by wcolbert
But really, I hope they dont spread themselves too thin...3 films a year is quite a lot to spread your talent and resources across. Then again...if anyone would have the money, I suppose it'd be them. Quality over quantity - I dont mind 1 film out of a studio every few years if the film is worth watching and not forgettable trash.
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Until Vader screamed like Buzz lightyear! You know just, cuz I'm daydreaming what if, instead of Obi-wan causing Anakin's wounds it'd been Padme, suddenly showing some shoe to the backside of Ani whilste Obi was down for the count. Her causing her love's seemingly hideous death would be a little more palptible as a motive for giving up the ghost. And yeah, like someone mentioned before, triplets instead of twins... although, even in Star Wars land is there no prenatal care???
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Goddamn kids these days with their acceptance of mediocrity in their star wars movies. Revenge is a terrible terrible film. One terrible just isn't enough to fully encapsulate the amount of suckage in that pile of dog shit. Why the fuck am I watching Yoda ride goddamn chewbacca. Why the hell does force lightning make palpatine turn into a pale shriveled ball sack. Why the fuck can human beings stand so close to lava. Who the fuck is this grievous guy we've never met before and just wastes our time with his bullshit. And this is me being lenient on the film. I could go oooooooooooooooooon... Is it the best of the prequels? yes, but that wasn't hard to accomplish...
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Nov. 15, 2012, 9:16 p.m. CST
In terms of structure, I'd say Phantom Menace still is the best of the Prequels.
by T
I still haven't seen that Phantom Edit, but I'd like to imagine, with some tweaks, TPM could be the most tolerable. Of course, it apes ANH big time... Chill out Jar Jar, Ani, and throw a little more Maul in the mix, and maybe it'd even be good.
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The only thing wrong with ROTJ is the teddy bears and the post climax celebration. The rest of that movie is EXTREMELY solid. Now, admittedly, the teddy bears are really fucking annoying and have not aged well as far as practical effects are concerned. But that's still not NEARLY enough to lower it into PT territory.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST
monroville, we can agree to disagree, because we'll never agree
by Jaka
Although, truthfully, some of what you say can't be argued. SOME of the acting in the PT is terrible, but not all of it. I liked the stories, but agree they could have been better executed. The robots? Sure, but they're sci-fi robots whose purpose was never to be undefeatable. That's why they made so damn many of them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an apologist. I totally agree that the PT is nowhere near as good as the OT AND that is has many, MANY flaws. But in the end, for me, it's still three more movies set in the Star Wars universe, and I can enjoy them for that alone.
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http://youtu.be/FONOk-XgL5M
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Nov. 15, 2012, 9:23 p.m. CST
Second hand Entertainment Weekly news? Are you shitting me?
by gruntybear
Oh how far this site has fallen ...
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Nov. 15, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST
rumourd - great/stirring/emotional moments in the prequels
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
There are too many to count, man. Those movies really did it for me, and I probably saw 4-6 100 times each before then. Probably depends on how young at heart/invested you were when you saw them, plus how open you were to different designs and unexpected plot points.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST
I was pretty "stirred" by Padme's midsection. Just saying. :)
by wcolbert
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Stronger than Colt 45!
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Lucas has done so much harm to his own franchises that, while it is theoretically good in principle that he is no longer running things, there is such a negative association with the last decade or two of his work that I just don't give a crap anymore. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised, but really: if they just do a SW film that doesn't completely suck, people will be raving about how much better it is. Both things can be true: A mediocre treatment of SW will be a thousand times better than the tripe Lucas has spewed in the last three films.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 9:43 p.m. CST
Chromedome, what do you care if the prequels are just cult classics? They obviously have enough fans that the haters don't have to matter.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 15, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST
Star Wars 1-3 are far superior to the Iron Man or Pirates series.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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In fact, I'd say that they're superior to 90% of big budget tripe that comes down the pike these days.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 9:56 p.m. CST
I mean, take this year as an example....
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
ROTS>>>>Prometheus/ TDKR/ The Amazing Spider-Man for sure, and possibly even The Avengers....
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Nov. 15, 2012, 9:56 p.m. CST
Maybe they plan on making Lucasfilm the live-action subsidiarity for Disney.
by Royston Lodge
Maybe the plan isn't to simply milk Lucasfilm's existing properties, but to also produce original stories and other existing Disney properties under the Lucasfilm banner. Imagine, a Lucasfilm-produced sequel to The Black Hole, or a Lucasfilm-produced TRON movie.
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Maybe AICN should just make every talkback be about that hack by default.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 9:59 p.m. CST
I also wonder if this means Kennedy will try to finally build soundstages at Skywalker Ranch.
by Royston Lodge
To fill that sort of filming schedule, wouldn't it make sense to finish turning Skywalker Ranch into a full-fledged studio? Marin County turned down Lucas, but will they have the balls to go toe-to-toe with Disney's lawyers?
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Nov. 15, 2012, 9:59 p.m. CST
Herc: 'I'm not the only one who wants Abrams on Star Wars.'
by Brian Hopper
No, you are. You literally are the only one who wants that.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST
the proper question should be who isnt gonna be directing star wars
by dioxholsters_scion
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Nov. 15, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST
Nah, I'm not even a super hero fan (I hate them, actually) and I thought Avengers was pretty bad ass
by Jaka
That's an interesting conversation right there, though. I don't know, I think the first Pirates was REALLY good. But 2-4 are all varying degrees of confused, confusing, muddled and pointless (Jack Sparrow in the land of the dead, with the weird ass crabs, the white sand and the ship - that's some great visuals, even if the rest of that movie was meh). <p> Prometheus.. err... you've actually reminded me that I never finished watching it. I had to leave the house right at the point where the 'beings' in the cave kill the first two guys. The fact that I never went back to it probably says something, though. <p> TDKR... saw it in the theater, watched it at home yesterday for the first time. I have to admit, I liked it more after watching it at home. The end played really well for me the second time, where as the first time I almost hated it. Honestly, the only problem I have with TDKR is that the US military would have come in en mass to handle shit if 'Gotham' (NYC) had really been taken hostage. I can't get past that plot point, even though I recognize that it's supposed to be a Batman comic book world. Still, not sure I'd put it below the PT. <p> I haven't like the Iron Man movies at all. I dig RDJ, and I liked Iron Man in small doses in the Avengers. But the character really gets on my nerves over the course of a solo two hour movie.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST
ROTJ has a lot more problems than dancing teddy bears
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
It's crammed with clunky exposition, turns Han Solo into a wet blanket, features bland cinematography, a very dull second act, lazy location work, rehashes material from the previous films, shrinks the size of the galaxy way down....basically, undos all the great work that Empire forged in expanding the mythos. It is primarily liked because of the sentimental affection gained for the characters and universe from the previous two films. But it does have a GREAT space battle, and a couple of other aces up its sleeve. ROTS, on the other hand, was more ambitious, more daring, had superior visual sense, and was better acted and better written (largely due to uncredited work by Tom Stoppard). Yes, it had its clunky moments, but give me a flawed but ambitious film over a by-the-numbers wrap-up any day.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 10:09 p.m. CST
I just realized that Spielberg's last three movies are under the Touchstone label.
by Royston Lodge
My guess is that Lucasfilm is the next Touchstone. Look at Touchstone's recent/upcoming output. Quite a bit of sci-fi on that list. How hard would it be to shift all effects-heavy work to Lucas, and leave Touchstone for romcoms exclusively? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Touchstone_Pictures_films#2010s
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Yes, they will. And in my opinion they're right. Northern California should remain as undeveloped (and under-developed) as possible for as long as possible. I've lived in the Bay Area for 25 years and SO MUCH has changed SO RAPIDLY. It's nice to be able to get up North of the Bay and see that some of the older, slower California still exists.
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it was a film about punch ball machines that look like humans
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...with crap CGI that looks like crap CGI. As far as ROTJ goes, I don't completely agree. I like that the characters changed over the course of the three films. Luke and Leia aren't the same people they were in A New Hope, either. All the other stuff you mentioned, I've honestly never noticed it, and I've watched that trilogy literally hundreds of times. Particularly the 'lazy location work' - what do you mean by that? As far as rehashing the previous films, that's actually fairly common storytelling for the third act of a large story (space opera).
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Nov. 15, 2012, 10:15 p.m. CST
Uhh, it's 'beings' with 'super powers' who band together to 'save the world'
by Jaka
If that's not a super hero film, what is?
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Nov. 15, 2012, 10:15 p.m. CST
OT actors, Lue, Leia, & Han should be the background characters. Let their kids take over the franchise.
by Zardoz
Kill Han in Episode VIII, so Episode IX will have to deal with his loss. Give it to Danny Boyle to direct. Make it so! (Yeah, I know it's the wrong franchise...Jeez!)
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...and I still don't see how it relates to the Avengers. lol If they don't get beat down and look like they're in trouble there's no need for them to work together, so there's no story to tell.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 10:18 p.m. CST
Further, that's one of the (many) reasons I hate super hero books
by Jaka
They always win, usually after appearing as if they can't possibly win. It's a repeating cycle that's been ongoing since the 30s. I just think the Avengers movie did a good job of making it entertaining. But hey, I don't read the books of ANY of those characters, so what do I know? I thought that movie was generally well-liked, though.
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I think it is fine that people like the prequels--no worries. For myself, each successive one was a bigger letdown than before. If there was a favorite restaurant that I used to go to 30 years ago, but on each of the three times I go back to it over the last 20 years I get a crappy meal, crappy service, or both, or an otherwise okay meal with a cockroach in it, well, I won't go back after that without some convincing that the management change has really made a difference, and I won't worry if I never go there again anyway. I certainly won't be fabricating hopeful theories about why it just HAS to better THIS time. oh, and "HAN SHOT FIRST!"
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Nov. 15, 2012, 10:27 p.m. CST
By 'lazy location work' I mean the fact that
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
instead of scouting for, and traveling to, interesting and exotic locations like Tunisia again, Lucas just decided to film in his backyard - Arizona and Northern California. And the film suffers for it. Endor doesn't look like an exotic alien moon; it looks like what it is, a redwood forest. They could have, at the least, added some matte painting expansions with strange plant life, some stop motion flora and fauna or some set dressings, to spice things up a little. As for rehashing the previous films, that's also just lazy. Another Death Star? A return to Dagobah and Tatooine? Lucas got cheap. We really needed to see Coruscant (or Had Abbadon, as it was then known) as was originally planned. If Doug Trumbull could pull off a futuristic cityscape that was utterly believable, only a year prior and despite the limitations of optical effects, then so could Lucas. Setting that action on a second Death Star was just a way to save money. The same pattern persisted in Last Crusade, and its why that film is the weakest in its respective trilogy, as well. A third film in a trilogy should come full circle, but not at the expense of just regurgitating what came before.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST
As long as the original actors are reprising their roles...
by Supermans
Then I don't see how bad this could be in comparison to the prequels which we all can agree were not as enjoyable as the originals to those of us lucky enough to have watched the originals in all their glory before the digital effects age.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST
I'm not saying The Avengers is bad, by any means
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
It was a fun time, but is it really, objectively, any better than ROTS, dialogue aside?
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Nov. 15, 2012, 10:31 p.m. CST
Don't get your Green Nuts in a Bunch...we aren't building SOunds Stages in Marin...
by conspiracy
Lucas Kept the Real Estate...it wasn't part of the sale...Disney will lease the facilities from George...which means no Sound Stages.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST
It's not even the building of sound stages that I'm getting at, necessarily
by Jaka
But the hope that the area at large doesn't go through a 10-20 year growth spurt like so many other areas in the Bay Area have. They've done a good job of maintaining the good, slightly smaller community vibes up that direction and I hope they can keep it that way for years to come. <p> As an example, I moved to Livermore in 1987, and when I go there now it's unrecognizable. The small town is gone, completely. It's almost one city all the way through the Tri-Valley area now.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 10:40 p.m. CST
Well, as you can tell from a couple of my other recent posts, I dig them Redwoods...
by Jaka
...so I'm probably biased. I grew up in the outdoors and as a kid I loved that they were riding those speeders through those giant trees. I wanted to go outside and do that shit! <p> Yeah, I can see your point about re-using the Death star. That's always been a bone of contention with some people. I just looked at is as the Empire thinking, 'well, we'll get it right the second time!' Going back to Dagobah and Tatooine, for me, perfectly fit the story. It's not like they spent a huge amount of time in either of those places. Dagobah in particular seems necessary, because the Yoda scene (the information delivered) is a huge part of SW lore/mythology. But yeah, I can certainly see your point about showing us some other NEW locations. That would have been cool.
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Lucasfilm need more men.
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where was the inner conflict? oh yea it didnt exist. oh wait, the physical threats didnt exist either since they couldnt die. oops. Disney will turn star wars into this.
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Saying someone is not a fan of a movie series because they don't like some of the installments is laughable. I'm not a fan of the ALIEN films because I don't like ALIENS VS PREDATORS? I'm not a fan of THE GODFATHER films because I don't care for THE GODFATHER PART III? I'm not a fan of the INDIANA JONES series because I think KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL isn't particularly good? You sound ridiculous. Oh, and by the way, you're the problem. When a studio knows they can make plenty of money from the sheeple by putting out an installment without exerting too much effort.... they do.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 11:08 p.m. CST
only an idiot would risk ending his career for star wars
by dioxholsters_scion
this could turn out to be a very laughable movie that will embarrass everyone attached to it.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 11:09 p.m. CST
one9deuce I'm far from easily pleased, but the prequels delivered more than enough riches. And these are works by the original author, not some studio spinoff like Alien 3 and 4. And Godfather 3 was good.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 15, 2012, 11:16 p.m. CST
dioxholsters_scion, the internal conflict was that they're all anti-social, egomaniacal and used to working alone
by Jaka
That much I had no problem with. The external conflict is the problem with every super hero book that's ever been written. All that matters is how twisted they're going to get in telling the story of how they eventually win. In that regard, I enjoyed the Avengers. As far as pure popcorn movie going experiences, it ranked pretty high for me. But again, you don't have to convince me of the base flaws with the super hero genre at large. There are many, and they are easily understandable. You either buy into it, or you don't.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 11:19 p.m. CST
This is what passes for good acting and dialogue?....
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30lGrarz3MQ
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Nov. 15, 2012, 11:20 p.m. CST
btw, ESB was hugely succesful and ROTJ had a much bigger budget...
by Jaka
...so I'm not sure there was any issue with being 'cheap'. That's the story they wanted to tell, and structurally it makes perfect sense. But I still agree that other new locations would have been cool.
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...I thought Avengers was pretty well loved by geek culture across the board. However, yes, in the context of the ENTIRE MOVIE, that scene played very well. And the entire movie as a whole has some of the best acting ever captured on film in a super hero movie. I'd say maybe only Nolan Batman films are better in that regard.
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that scene you extract without context was one of the best single moments in the film, and it was earned, with groundwork laid thru the entire film to make that moment. Not every great moment is in and of itself full of dialog. For example, a simple, sudden (and silent) death-scene for Jar Jar would be a fan favorite and a thing of surpassing greatness. In fact, whoever does take the helm of SW now should see to that right away. First scene, first film. Take that cockroach of the plate, never to return, and people might come back again.
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Don't even MENTION that J** *** character. Keep it as far away from the sequels as possible.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 11:59 p.m. CST
chromedome Bloodlust is not one of Star Wars' values.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 16, 2012, 12:01 a.m. CST
This is incredibly painful to watch...
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaWtOtrXtXs
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Yes, Lucasfilm should being trying to develop new franchises--a Star Wars for a new generation, and a Indy, but something original, ala a super hero franchise, or something based on Young Adult books ala Harry Potter, Twilight, or The Hunger Games--or how about reviving an old classic TV series...like Space:1999 or UFO as a series of films? They need to diversify more, and expand beyond just Star Wars and Indy, in order to stay competitive in the marketplace.
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That's really, far, far, away...
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Was ultimately the same as empire, given 80s inflation plus the schedule was shorter.
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The more I think about this whole thing, the more I realize there are some major problems. 1. Kids don't like the original trilogy that much compared to the prequels and clone wars stuff. 2. Hard to tell a story featuring Han, Luke, Leia without it being dependent on knowledge of the first three. If kids dont like the first 3, then why would they want to pick up where they leave off? 3. From a story telling point of view, What happened between young Han, Luke, Leia and old Han, Luke, Leia? Too much gap to fill. 4. Kids dont really like movies where the "OLD" people are the main stars. Thats an unfortunate fact. And using the old to bring in the new is just lame. So this is basicly a "nostalgia thing" like Godfather 3 or Wall Street 2. But hardly a cash cow like Avangers was. They have their work cut out for them. They would almost be better off telling tales between Episide 3 and 4 ... when Vader was at his most powerfull, bringing him back is just lame and not bring him back will result in a theater full of kids looking at an old Han, and old luke, and an old leia saying to their parents ... "where is darth vader?"....
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Nov. 16, 2012, 12:27 a.m. CST
ROTS is definitely the best of the prequels, but not better than ROTJ
by SAILOR_RIPLEY
Jedi brought the story full circle perfectly and was the only of the SW movies to have any real drama or emotion. Vader picking up the emperor, asking to see Luke with his own eyes and telling him how he was right about him, that was the only real dramatic stuff in the whole series for me. As far as the new movies, you could have Leia's child grow up to be the villian. You would think it was Leia and Han's kid, but after Han dies at the end of VII, you would find out in VIII that it was actually Luke's kid from when he banged Leia before he knew they were siblings. Evil offspring born of incest, perfect for a family film.
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Or maybe they could pick up Firefly.
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TWO THOUSAND TONS of GREEN PAINT! Oh boy... these movies won´t be shot on location I guess. That is soooo the 70´s (and the 80´s).
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Nov. 16, 2012, 12:44 a.m. CST
What schedule was shorter? And how is a 14 million dollar difference in three years negated by inflation?
by Jaka
Sorry, the inflation part is simply not true. If the available figures are correct, Jedi had 14 million more dollars to spend than Empire. Whether or not you feel that showed up on screen is certainly debatable, but inflation doesn't equal out a 14 million dollar difference in just three years. <p> Also, I ask genuinely about the schedule, because while I love the SW movies, I'm not, like, some uber Star Wars geek. Its always been my understanding that there was three years between each movie, and that they actually had more time to plan for ROTJ because they knew for sure that it was going to happen.
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13.3 BILLION light years. Very far away indeed.
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lol! Not like that bit isn't just a wee bit important.
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WAY BETTER than Star Wars.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 1:21 a.m. CST
Disney said that wanted to build the Starwars universe like the Marvel Universe
by ganymede3010
I would love to see a Boba Fett/Bounty Hunter, or a Rogue Squadron trilogy. Then they can do a Starwars Avengers style movie with the secondary franchises they've established. I can never get enough of Starwars. The more the better. As long as it's tolerable.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 1:59 a.m. CST
Here's your guy for Ep VII: ROMAN POLANSKI. HE'LL LITERALLY RAPE YOUR CHILDHOOD!
by AzulTool
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Seems like a natural fit, guy worked on the original too.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 2:30 a.m. CST
Agreed..Return of the Jedi was a letdown after the first 2!
by Jaymie69
Joe Johnston to direct.
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That's not accurate, that might be referring to Empire 's original hoped for budget before it went far,far over. Big reason Kurtz was replaced was to be more efficient. Empire also ended up requiring more shooting days.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 2:36 a.m. CST
BTW. An honest to God moving moment in the prequels is the last moment. The handing off of baby Luke always gets to me.
by AzulTool
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you guys must be blind not to see the obvious. even enders game author said the same and that guy's fav movie is serenity.
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azultool, really?! I think the handing over the baby at the end of ROTS is one of the WORST clunkiest moments in the Prequel trilogy. Obi Wan passes baby to Beru she swiftly takes it and marches to top of dune and stands next to Owen who is looking at the sunset. He takes one quick glance at the baby and then they both STARE AT THE SUNSET. Let's deconstruct this moment of untruth. They have just been given a child. Their first baby. A newborn wonderful little parcel of joy. And what are they interested in? The baby? No. They spare the quickest glance at the baby - THESE TWO FUCKERS ARE MORE INTERESTED IN THE FUCKING SUNSET THAT THEYVE SEEN A THOUSAND TIMES BEFORE ON TATOOINE THAN THE BRAND NEW BABY THEY'VE JUST THAT SECOND BEEN GIVEN!! It's the most *untruthful* moment in the Saga and sums up the whole PT for me, as having no emotional understanding or human feeling. Just such a mechanical, dead movie with planks of wood like Hayden and Portman reading their lines.
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if this is filmmaking i dont want any part of it. this is not a story, it was worse than a pixar movie.
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that Warwick Davis gets another chance to play Willow. Hell, make it a trilogy!
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The original cast are likely too old for the Thrawn Trilogy (my ideal choice), but a Jedi Academy movie could work.
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A Boba Fett centred movie would be fantastic. THAT'S a movie I would run to see.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONOk-XgL5M
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Nov. 16, 2012, 4:46 a.m. CST
Yeah, George, not sure if it was a good idea having that bitch in the command
by Ricardo
I mean, you can SMELL the estrogen on her comment right there
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No new Star Wars Films every 100 years?
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No matter how you can cut down ROTJ and its failings, ROTS is worse by a country mile because it is overall simply a terrible, TERRIBLE film...
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Nov. 16, 2012, 7:15 a.m. CST
At that rate, Star wars would become like the comic to film explosion...boring.
by nephilim138
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Nov. 16, 2012, 7:17 a.m. CST
So, it took wait two weeks for everyone to turn on Disney getting Star Wars?
by shutupfanboy
Thought so. Anyway, I think she means films that Disney has rights to like Tarzan, John Carter and other old school books and sci-fi to be under the Lucasfilm umbrella. Films that are a little too out there for Disney land. ROTS is as good as ROTJ, deal with it.
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Especially when Herc makes a ridiculous proposition like that.
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It never tried to rise above its comic book origins, skirted narrative disaster a dozen times, had a lovely mix of internal and external motivations, was well acted, and came about as close to "objective" artistic success as it is possible to come: both critical and popular approval. I had lunch with a National Book Award winning, MacArthur "Genius" grant author, and we were both geeking out over how much fun Avengers was, and how well executed it was. There will always be some who dislike anything, but this year, Avengers blew the doors off the Superhero club-house.
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for the next three and beyond. The thing is, even SW IV could clunk when you watch it through adult eyes. My favorite cheese moment is a Storm trpr finding a washer on Tatooine and saying something like "look sir, droids", with an ever so slight tilt of the head(lol). On a side note Tattooine would make a hell of a name for a tat shop!
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so clearly, they don't mean 2 or 3 films a year, they meant a film every 2 or 3 years
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I seem to remember an interview a while back...he's a much much bigger fan of the Star Wars universe...just please GOD, don't bring back old Han . Luke and Leia!!! Someone as badass as Darth Maul would be the perfect villain.
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PLEASE?
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Nov. 16, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST
I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter any further.
by Brian Hopper
Why does Lando Calrissian never get any mention? Per TMZ, Billy Dee Williams said he'd do a new Star Wars but hasn't been contacted. For me, the scene I'd like to see in Episode VII is the weekly poker game (or its galaxy far far away equivalent) with Han, Lando, Chewie and some other assorted alien riff-raff.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST
Kathleen Kennedy to LucasFilm employees: I want you to lap my cunt once or twice a year.
by YourMomsBox3D
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Nov. 16, 2012, 10:50 a.m. CST
Abrams doesn't have the skills or the people to make a good Star Wars movie.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Miss Kennedy knows this.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST
Disney: Fire this woman at once. She doesn't even understand the basic concept of not saturating the market.
by SergeantStedenko
What will be so special about SW if there's 3 movies a year? How long before nobody cares? Oh, another SWINO movie? Meh.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST
I hope they hire JarJar Abrams, so I can care even less about this. May the Lens Flares be with you!
by SergeantStedenko
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Nov. 16, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST
Anakin's slaughter confession in Ep 2 floored me. Mace's death til the end of Sith felt more like the burnt heartbreak of Columbine than Van Sant's Elephant.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 16, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST
Critical and popular approval = zeitgeist, not objective success.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 16, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST
Hayden Christensen takes a lot of shit for probably the best overall performance in all of Star Wars
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 16, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST
sergeantstedenko if they do 2-3 films a year, it might be like te extended universe, which doesn't really tread on canon ground.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 16, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST
Would be fun if they mean serial shorts before other features.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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. . . take it to the bank.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST
jeshopk, I'm not very familiar with the EU, so for me and many others, SW is it's characters.
by SergeantStedenko
And excuse my ignorance, but honestly I don't know if the world Lucas set up is as rich as people seem to think it is. I mean, you've got a desert planet, a swamp planet, a cloud planet, a forest planet, a water planet, and a fire planet. You've got the Empire, which is done at the end of ROTJ. I mean, beyond the unique characters, what did Disney really buy? Technically, they could have made and Extended Universe movie without buying Lucasfilm. Just call it Space Wars instead.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST
sergeantstedenko I'm not familiar with EU either. I probably won't be too into these new movies, but I'm hoping 7-9 are based on Lucas treatments, have John Williams scores, and are canon worthy. Doubt it, though.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 16, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST
I don't mind the return of the Ewoks, as long as they're rounded up by Darth Shitler and run, en masse, through a giant sausage grinder.
by tom
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I can get behind that! I've said it before. I'd love to see Luke building a Jedi academy back on tattooine. I see the first of the three kinda play out like xmen first class. Most people still don't trust the Jedi. Luke starts to gather force attuned students. Befriends a promising student-takes him as his padawan. His padawan learns quickly-is given his own class to begin train. Soon differences on how to operate the academy between Luke and the padawan get in the way coupled with the shitty way he gets treated by the residents of tattoine. Padawan decides to leave academy after a falling out with Luke and some of the students.. fuck I'm writing my own story...
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Nov. 16, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST
docopticus Your idea is exactly what would turn this lifelong Star Wars fan off. Star Wars is anti establishment, which is why the Jedi council was portrayed as part of the problem.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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But I never said anything about a council. And that's what the conflict would be about...
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Nov. 16, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST
Rumor has it they're bringing Vader back...yep, back from the dead
by Darth Macchio
And in that one rumor, if true, I don't think...I KNOW...these movies will be shit. If they bring Vader back it will be the death nail in the coffin on that character forever. Funny how everybody was knocking on us EU fans that we weren't going to get Grand Admiral Thrawn. Well, while I'd agree that there's certain aspects of the Thrawn trilogy that I definitely wouldn't want to see in a new movie/trilogy, they could still use the character of Thrawn in his same context in relation to the Empire. Thrawn is simply a fantastic character. Hell, it could even have some real life subtext as the Empire and Emperor himself were notoriously anti-non-human to the point of overt prejudice and 'species-ism'. That the Emperor gave an alien (Chiss) the rank of Grand Admiral was a MAJOR break with not only their history but their ultimate mission. But wait and see...Vader will be back as a fruitless clone. And you'll with we got Thrawn instead of some pathetic attempt at fan interest by bringing Vader back. So sad...Vader's arc in the original trilogy is one of the greatest villain arcs I've ever seen at the movies. Not rushed, started as a vile monster, turned into a respecting/respected nemesis, and ultimately a fully redeemed and tragic figure. He had to die for that to work. I wanted him to live but for the arc to work, he had to die. This isn't candyland after all. Regardless, Vader was the one constant superb factor of the entire OT. No camp, no corn, just a brilliantly realized villain. Until the prequels came along and all rhyme or reason jumped out the window with Mace Windu. But to bring him back?!?! Allow me to predict that, should they choose to bring Vader back in anything other than flashbacks (and they shouldn't do that either dammit!), then it will be a shitfest to redefine shitfests for all of future time. Hate for the movie will flow through the streets of AICN so thick and viscus that we'll barely be able to get to any threads for lack of available bandwidth. I love Star Wars. I'd love to be wrong. Hope I am. I really do. Hope it's just a dumb rumor...or even a 'test' rumor and all of us shit eggrolls publically so they decide to never go near this character again in any new movies. The original Vader is too good a character for the prequels and, to the point of being obscene, far too good to be cloned or some other gimicky bullshit to bring him back in any further SW movies.
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surely.
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Vaders story is done. There's so much more that could be done. Aside from pandering to the OT fanboys. (Fanfogies)
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Nov. 16, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST
Why bring back Vader, when they can bring back Grievous, every bit a cool as memorable as Vader... hahahaha.
by hank henshaw
It can't be said with a straight face! Just think about this for a minute, they went from Vader to Maul, and then to Grievous. How much more lame can they get with the next sith lord?
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Making fun of the Ewoks; retro appraisals... ...that takes balls... next someone will state how evil Hitler was...
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one of these days we'll be getting another earth shattering Star Wars movie. It is inevitable.
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It's just some dumb rumor...anyone recall the one about TPM shot with 40% of the film footage blurry? or that Chuck Heston and Charles Bronson (despite the latter being sick with Alzheimers) up for the voice of Yoda and a member of the council? Hmmmmmmm? Same dumb crap here....
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Nov. 16, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST
There's definitely room for side films that let writers/directors have fun
by FrodoFraggins
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Nov. 16, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST
Funny. George Lucas moves from "No more SW. It's my thing!" to "Fuck it. I'll sell it all and produce three SW a year."
by Emperor
Sure. Let's do a movie a year. Fuck it, let's do three.
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Can't seem to get rid of it.
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Jesus H. Christ, to what end? The OT is a story about redemption - the main villain ultimately sacrifices himself for his son in a moment of clarity. What are they going to do - make him change his mind again? Or have him as some kind of good guy force ghost sage Anakin who likes to put the old black armour on from time to time because he finds it comfy?
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Vader picking up the emperor, asking to see Luke with his own eyes and telling him how he was right about him, that was the only real dramatic stuff in the whole series for me
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Seriously, this website's tech is fucking shit.
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Because quote marks are REALLY hard to handle in code. Yeah. sailor_ripley said: Vader picking up the emperor, asking to see Luke with his own eyes and telling him how he was right about him, that was the only real dramatic stuff in the whole series for me My response: How about: LEIA: ...I love you. SOLO: I know. For me, the carbon freeze chamber scene was the high point of the whole trilogy.
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Was fucking amazing. Best thing about all 3 prequels. and they killed him off !!!!!!!!!!
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It's not the Brits. You simply need to distinguish between a newspaper and a tabloid. Imagine if someone believed that the National Enquirer were equivalent to 'Americans'. Or Fox News, for that matter.
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Lucas will have Vader make C3PO and Yoda and Chewbacca are friends next ... oh wait. RTJ is not perfect but its made up by the Luke,Vader,Emperor scenes which are stunning. Even if the rest and making Leia Lukes sister really dumb move it did not completely destroy the film. ROTS is worse though if only because of well everything in the film I guess. The problem with the prequels were that we never got to see Anakin Skywalker the great and good man talked about in the OT and his legendary friendship with Obi-wan. Which was a shame as Hayden and Ewan did have good chemistry on screen when Lucas allowed them to show emotion. We instead got someone who was killing children and believing in fascist dictatorships by the age of 19. The supposed good man was never shown nor his friendship with Obi-wan. Lucas missed 2 tricks right there.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST
In any case, if Luke is dumb enough to think a Jedi school will help the galaxy, he'll lose half my respect as a character. He's Sanjuro, not Dumbledore.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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He's the last of their kind and knows he must carry on the jedi way. And considering it's Episode 7, the Empire has been overthrown so the galaxy doesn't need help...for now. He's a farmboy, not a samurai.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 6:06 p.m. CST
ANYONE WHO THINKS SHE MEANT TWO OR THREE STAR WARS FILMS A YEAR IS AN IDIOT INCLUDING HERCULES
by JackSlater4
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Anyone a member of Jenny Criag who knows if these actors are enrolled in their program?
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Nov. 16, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST
anyone who thinks that Disney is going to do anything other than shit all over the memory of the OT is deluded
by papabendi
Disney want star wars becaus star wars fans will buy any old sit with star ars on, nothing more. The quality of the films will be as shitty as they second trilogy. Each film getting shittier and shittier. No resemblance to the Star Wars universe what-so-ever by the time cody diablo is running the show.
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It would be a TERRIBLE idea! But it's pretty easy to imagine about 100 ways they could bring him back. I mean, come on! He was a bad ass super Jedi who was more machine than man. Ya know, like, lets say some other evil Jedi folk find a way to clone him, resurrect his essence, rebuild him from a piece that didn't burn, etc. etc. Again, TERRIBLE idea, but they could do it.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST
If they were to ever bring Darth Vader back, easiest way would be to have another Sith warrior/knight whatever they're called don the Vader mask and cowl
by lv_426
Then you'd have the same kind of mystique of who is behind the mask. I doubt they'll do that, but if you had to bring Vader back, you'd think the Sith or whoever wanted to use his fearsome persona would do so to sort of mythologize him as this immortal force of darkness. Maybe Luke is the only one that knows the truth because when he fights this fake Vader he can tell it isn't his father by the fighting style or something. Of course, one could see how the myth of Vader not being dead could persist. Did anyone see Luke burning his body at the end of ROTJ? They'd have to take him at his word that old Darthie really was dead and gone.
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No, Hayden Christensen did not give the best performance in the entire STAR WARS saga. For every good acting choice he made, he made two terrible ones. But he did give a decent performance. And I think he has some talent, but the problem is that he was horribly miscast. At no point in the Original Trilogy did I picture Anakin Skywalker as a skinny, blonde, boy-band type heart-throb. And before you say I brought preconceived notions and Lucas can't fulfill everyone's idea of what the Prequels should contain.....just stop yourself immediately. I didn't imagine what Anakin Skywalker should look like in my head, we SAW him in the Original Trilogy. A LOT. With and without the helmet he is a huge guy, with a booming voice, a very particular way of walking and a very unique voice pattern. That's what we saw for three movies. And then for the next three films we saw none of those traits. Well, except for the ultra embarrassing NNNNOOOOOOOOOO!! Anakin Skywalker should have been about 20 years old in THE PHANTOM MENACE. Having him be a mop topped lil' scamp brought NOTHING to the film and guaranteed that he would need to be re-cast. Which sucks in a saga. I want to see the same actor in the role from first film to last film if humanly possible. Anakin Skywalker should have physically been the biggest person in the room. He should have had the biggest personality so when he walked into the room EVERYONE knew it. He should have had the most obscene amount of talent, far more than everyone else. And he should have been the most flawed person in the room. Flawed in a way that his life burned white hot and he could do no wrong, then the cracks in the weak foundation would start to show. And slowly start to crumble. Orson Welles or Babe Ruth are the two historical figures that would have been ideal to model Anakin on. Anyone who knows the history of these two giants of their respective careers.
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Because the idea, the thought, of what Vader could do to you was a big part of why he was so fearsome. I still think it's a TERRIBLE idea, but I can imagine so many ways that they could it.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST
Bring back Vader? Easy. Make a "Boba Fett" movie set during The Original Trillogy
by Jake Pantlin
Just have it be a side-quel or something. No need to resurrect Vader, per say. Just give us a story where Fett is doing some dirty work for Vader during the OT.
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I really wish someone would realize that not everything has to be live action. Movies based on some of the novels would look amazing in animated form, and could continue the exploits of Han, Leia, and Luke without old actors playing them. I would especially love to see an animated movie of Shadows of the Empire, and of course the Zahn Trilogy.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 10:02 p.m. CST
atheron, sure, that goes for telling different stories with any character in the Star Wars universe
by Jaka
The issue is the idea, or rumor, or rumor of an idea, that Vader would be part of the Ep 7-9.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 11:05 p.m. CST
Episode VII Part I and Part II...released 6 months apart
by Avatar1209
It'll have the longest title in history: Star Wars Episode VII "Insert title here" Part ONE: "Insert secondary title here"
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Nov. 16, 2012, 11:22 p.m. CST
Step 1: scrap Lucas' asswipe of a script and start from scratch...
by dahveed1972
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Nov. 16, 2012, 11:25 p.m. CST
One thing I think about re Episode VII is how major that first money shot of the Millenium Falcon is
by Brian Hopper
gonna be. Jesus H. Christ, that may actually cause riots in theaters. My temperature goes up right now just thinking about it.
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Nov. 17, 2012, 12:09 a.m. CST
Patience, dahveed1972 , now with Disney making infinite Star Wars movies, there's plenty of time for mainstream bastardizations of George's precious vision.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 17, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST
docopticus Smart teachers of esoteric ways don't open a classroom, they start a secret lineage.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 17, 2012, 12:19 a.m. CST
Also, why would Luke want it centralized? It was only centralized in 1-3 because the Jedi Council was highly corrupt.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 17, 2012, 12:21 a.m. CST
It was part of beuracracy, which was its downfall. Will Luke be that dumb?
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 17, 2012, 2:10 a.m. CST
WHY is nobody commenting on the obvious BIG news in that interview? That....
by dasheight
...the roles of Luke, Leia, Han, etc., will be played by NEW, young actors. OTHER actors will play the original characters. I don't know about anybody else, but that sounds REEEEEEEEALLLLY risky. You don't just REPLACE Hamill, Fisher and Ford - those are impossible shoes to fill. I would hate to be the actors who would have to win over this audience. Anyway, whether you consider it good news or bad, it seems people here missed the biggest part of this - it's not that they're planning to make a certain number of movies - it's that this is a TOTAL REBOOT, a la Abrams' "Star Trek", in that NEW actors will play the iconic roles of "Star Wars" - and also, the fact that the time period of the next film was revealed to be right after "Return of the Jedi". I have NO idea who they'll pick to play these roles, but that casting director has a HELL of a job ahead of them.
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Certainly not in the way JJ Trek was a reboot. They're not going to go back and badly re-write the original trilogy, filling it with bad out of character jokes and ridiculously implausible plot holes. And they're not going to change history and tell you it doesn't matter because it's conveniently an 'alternate timeline'. <p> If they tell a story that takes place directly after ROTJ there is no way to do it without recasting those parts. Even if they had done all nine movies back to back on a three year schedule the original actors would have been twelve years older by the time they got to Ep VII. Even that would have been pushing it. There's just no way to tell a story anywhere near the time directly after Jedi without recasting. If there were going to jump ahead thirty, forty, or whatever number of years, sure, bring back the original cast.
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Nov. 17, 2012, 3:48 a.m. CST
luke will want to take a backseat when it comes to politics
by dioxholsters_scion
he will leave it to others im sure. his mission is over, why should he continue?
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The first movie should only have a hologram Luke, played by a young lookalike (it's acceptable if it's only a small hologram and not a main character in the movie), the ghost of Yoda, the Millennium Falcon, and at least one Ewok. Possibly C3PO and R2D2, but... geez aren't people tired of them by now? It'd be nice to have a new robot character. (Maybe along with R2D2. He is kinda the heart and soul of Star Wars.) No one wants to see the OT characters old or played by different actors. Sigh... either Disney has no balls, or they never got George Lucas's claws out of this thing. Doesn't anyone in the film business want to tell an ORIGINAL STORY????? Did it occur to them that that's what people liked about THE FIRST MOVIES? Looks like they will rape the OT until there is nothing left to rape. I would think Disney is smart enough to avoid making a flop, but I don't see how they're going to pull it off if this article is true. General audiences have been thoroughly bummed by the prequels, and Indiana Jones, and will see this for what it is.
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Nov. 17, 2012, 3:55 a.m. CST
The original actors will return. The mask and cowl of Vader will return. Search your feelings; you know it be true.
by Xen11
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Nov. 17, 2012, 4:20 a.m. CST
I actually wouldn't mind seeing C3PO and R2D2 still ON the Millennium Falcon
by Jaka
I mean, I guess they could be with Luke. They were his and all. But it just seems like they would have ended up being of more use for Han, seeing as how he's not a Jedi and all that. Wookies are long-lived, too, right? So Chewie could be around no matter what time frame they go with (assuming the story is something relating to existing characters). Ghost of Yoda seems like a pretty likely possibility. I really hope they stay far away from Ewoks, though. Far, far away.
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Isn't that in limbo right now?
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Have you paid any attention to the movies. If anything else, Vader was the most pathetic loser in the whole series.
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the cast were merely meat puppets and Lucas had control of the strings. If you watch behind the scenes you'll get it.
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I'm sure Luke wasn't THE LAST force attuned being in the galaxy. I imagine it's like x-men where they are scattered and may need guidance. And with all those loose cannons running around you really don't want to see these people turn to the dark side. Luke is the typical paragon hero - of pure heart and sound ethics. With those qualities he's also a helper and a doer. Remember the scene in Episode IV when he was bitching at Han to help with the Death Star assault? He wouldn't sit idly by and watch others go it alone. He would teach the truth as it was taught to him.
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Just entertaining these as they are a few of the loose ends from the Prequels that can be used to form a foundation for the ST. Still think 'ol George has been pondering these things awhile now. Here's an excerpt from an interview/article with Lucas from around 2002. http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2002/may/15/news.seanclarke =Earlier, Lucas let go a potentially revealing slip of the tongue. Expounding on the difficulty of constructing each film as a self-contained whole, he said, "the challenge for me is telling a six-part story: so in Episode I there are things that I have to get in that refer to Episode VII... no, hang on, we're not there yet. I mean Episode IV." Lucas has said before that there are no plans for another three films after his sextuplet of movies are finished. When pressed, he reiterated it again. "The next film," he says, "completes the saga as originally written."= I think this has always been the plan. And I can completely understand why he would always deny it when asked. Because seriously, why would he confirm a Sequel Trilogy then when he was still goiter-deep in his Prequel Trilogy? He knows when to hold 'em and when to show 'em, ya know what I mean? He sure as fuck didn't make it to where he is by not being a shrewd motherfucker.
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Since writters actually wrote anything original, I highly doubt they will be churning out new star wars in sets of 3 per year. She will be making Lucas films a newer version of buena vista pictuers which is wht disney releases its pg 13-rated r content under! Lucas films will be tarnished irreversably from this. all they wanted was the rights to star wars and what ever futuristic stuffs ilm was working on to make better quality films cause god knows the newer shit is garbage no plot or story line just chase shoot blow up credits!.. I wont dog Skyfall, i hated Bronson and daly as bond they sucked major balls! I have yet to see any 007 with daniel craig as the past 2-3 bonds have sucked so bad it wasnt worth wasting money to see in a theater and not worth the bandwidth to download them!.. I think if disney wants to make more money they need to start READING SOME BOOKS THAT AREN`T 80s FILM CLASSICS!!
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no C3po was a single parent childs only friend bothbeing slaves he couldnt really own anything.. R2D2 was a naboo droid owned by the royal family who also happened to be Leias and Lukes Mother so in reality the droids belong to both Luke and Leia. Considering the droids real owner is Darth Vader, or as you hear 3po say in Episode 4 Our last master was captain antillies which leaves a question...Wedge? lol
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But still, we didn't exactly see him die. And that fucking guy (as well as Obi Wan and Anakin for that matter) was shown falling from great heights and surviving multiple times throughout the PT. No, there is another. LOL Surprised all the "MACE ISN'T DEAD" theorists haven't crawled out of the woodwork yet. Anybody remember that shit?
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Yes, He is that dumb returning the council to the new republic was a lost cause as they are the cause and blame of all attacks on coruscant and most of the core galaxy. From Madolorians to Cruellians to name a race hell.. Id say if they want a really good place to work from start with the Zahn books the first books officially in the EU! 3 movies 3 books to work with.. id love to see Peallon and Thrawn. as well as The Emperors Hand Mara Jade Skywalker :)
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Nov. 17, 2012, 6:45 a.m. CST
regarding the final trilogy, i've always wondered..
by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead
Lucas said he'd always envisioned three sets of films. But he wrote himself into a corner with ROTJ; the Empire is destroyed and it's all very climactic. Another set of films would have had to explain that the Empire is still about, establish lots of new characters and then wind them up, all in three films.<P> I know that this is what happened in the OT, and obviously it worked there, but if a further trilogy had been planned, I think that things should have been left a bit more open-ended. <P> Also, if we're now going to get Star Wars every couple of years, isn't the idea of a final trilogy rather redundant? Just get on with the new stories.
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Sorry folks he cant be in any portion of the exsisting time line. Just like Carrie Fisher is in no way able to reprise her role as princess leia with some make up artist with the power to cover up some very shitty plastic surgery.. Must have been all that coke she was snorting on Hoth!
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Charles Bronson was Bond? Daly? Have yet to see a Craig Bond because they sucked so bad? How the fuck would you know that without seeing them? Is it some kind of mega-dork psychic power only your kind possess? What the fuck are you smoking? You sound cracked out.
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lol..... How about the hippie jedi? there mentioned in one book pre clonewars times.. They travel around not affiliated with the jedis outdated ways they live happily married and roaming the galaxy.. Probly because greed and running the galaxy wasnt on their radar like a certing jedi played by Samuel L Jackson... Mace Windu is the closest thing the jedi had to a sith warrior and he couldnt sense the dark side? really? Yoda could conjure up the darkside on his muddy slum planet and he couldnt sense it? i guess 800+ yrs old doesnt make you wise
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I say kill what's come before and start something new, storywise. But I know Kathleen Kennedy won't ever consider this option. Too bad. If they absolutely, positively MUST make another fucking Star Wars film... start it 5000 years in the future after Return of the Jedi. New everything, I say. No one you meet even knows the force exists anymore, therefore no Jedi, no stormtroopers, no fucking princess, nothing even remotely connected with what's come before. No Tattooine, no droids, no fucking lightsabers, no wookies, no anything we know. Start over. Same universe, totally new story. In fact, I don't think the main character or characters should even be human. Something like: A small, chitinous, six-armed alien musician named... uh, Thierka Dorret, is running for his life through a translucent ice moon filled with beeping technology. He's breathing hard and protecting his Ourek, an ancient-looking drum instrument. He's just given a localized net-concert, in fact, that went horribly wrong when the Ourek's former owner, a rising despot in a newly forming empire, a badass who looks vaguely like a much taller General Grievous but with seven heads that all talk to each other, saw him playing from a nearby planet he was invading. The musician protects the Ourek because of his own long-held familial ties to it, but why is seven-headed badass after it? He doesn't know. As his world is turned upside down and war escalates all around him, he eventually discovers that his drum instrument is actually the key to a legendary power source on a faraway planet... a planet once called Dagobah. Anyway, I'm just throwing stuff around here. The point is: No Luke. No Han Solo. Nothing we know about, please! I know it won't happen, but I have to express these thoughts somewhere.
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Nov. 17, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST
Does anyone really believe Lucas envisioned nine movies when he made Star Wars?
by SAILOR_RIPLEY
Maybe the original trilogy, but the prequel trilogy was clearly an afterthought, and not a very good one. And Clearly they mean three movies a year in general, not three SW movies.
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Lucas ripped off the Hidden Fortress for the first Starwars film. He even admits it on his introduction on the HF dvd. As for these new films they want the 1st one out by 2015. So you got just 2 years to get a script/cast/locations (unless you CGI it) production/score. That does not bode well. I agree they should use Zahns books.(Gotta have Mara Jade as Lukes wife) They should really use his duology about the few Imperials left trying to make peace in order to survive. Now that would be interesting POV and a bit different rather than the same old same old.
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fucked up the prequels. Think for a second what was suggested in the OT. You had 1) The Fall of the Republic and rise of the Empire. 2) The Clone Wars (Basically the WW1 to WW2 that was the OT) 3) The rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker this supposedly great and good man who becomes Darth Vader. 4) His friendship with Obi-Wan which ends in Tragedy. 5) The destruction of the Jedi. Every single one of those plots sounds gripping. But Lucas fucked it up big time Im just not sure how.
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*Lucas fucked it up big time Im just not sure how* You make a good post! I think thats one of the core things about the Prequel Trilogy... fans are still kind of dazed and confused about *how*... what seemed like such a sure thing - with all those gripping potential story elements that you list - how... how did we end up with what we did! I think with the new movies the type of plot that would work would be the *quest* type of storyline. Elder Jedi Luke sends or accompanies a new ensemble of heroes on a quest to retireve the maguffin before the rival Sith villain. You can fill in the story specifics any way around it, but I think a *quest' type story would work well for the new trilogy.
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It's really that simple. The basic story of the Prequels is awesome, as you point out. The execution....not so much. The biggest mistakes were not letting someone else direct and the casting of a boy Anakin in TPM. Anakin should have been played by the same actor across all three films, alongside Natalie Portman (or some other female lead), in order to create chemistry and to make the audience care about his character. David Fincher or someone like that should have handled the political themes as director. CGI should not have been used as much.
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Should also have been farmed out. Finally, things are being done the way they should have been back in the 90s--but is it too late??? I don't think so. Despite how bad the prequels were, they haven't killed Star Wars. In fact, most young people I talk to enjoy the prequels and the Clone Wars. This new trilogy has the opportunity to win another generation to SW and wipe the bad taste of the prequels out of the mouths of us older fans. And it's going to put emphasis back on the OT as the middle of the saga, where it belongs. We'll know a lot about the direction of these films once we get cast and director nailed down.
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But I guess that writing up a contract for three films is complicated. And maybe Nolan (if he's the one) is balking at some of the 3D/Casting issues. The negotiations will NOT be short.
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Nov. 17, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST
Νοlan?!?!? Please dont hire that overrated director to helm SW7.
by frank
i don't know what's worse: a star wars directed by Nolan or a star wars directed by JJ. It is impossible to decide.
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by Megan Ellison who independently produces films. Though there is some confusion that has never been cleared up about who exactly has the rights. Pacificor, a hedge fund company bought and owns the rights as they had an upper hand in the auction as they were owed the amount its worth by Halcyon Group (who owned Terminator and made Salvation, and the phenomenal The Sarah Connor Chronicles) , but they sold a 2 picture deal to Megan Ellison. So I guess she can only make 2 Terminator films before 2018, when the rights automatically convert back to James Cameron. Warner Bros. owns the unique characters and properties of The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Derek Reese, Catherine Weaver, Savannah Weaver, Cameron, Mr. Ellison, etc. ) So to continue that series, they would have to strike up some kind of deal with Pacificor or Megan Ellison to get the rights to the Terminator name and John Connor, Sarah Connor, Kyle Reese, etc.
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thats his flaw. he has mastered the art too far into near perfection. Maybe he should tone down his skills a little for it to be enjoyed by the masses?
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Nov. 17, 2012, 7:45 p.m. CST
dioxholsters_scion I think of Nolan who makes schmaltzy cheeze with a pokerface on. He makes things paletable for the self conscious among us. I have no guilty pleasures.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 17, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST
I think of Nolan as a fashion designer. He makes very fashionable, conformist, standardized movies that people can feel comfortable saying they like...
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
...This is a growing trend. What was once niche, or at least for "nerds" and "geeks" is now being conformed for consumption by the masses. I expect Star Wars to go the same route, leaving its morals behind to suck up to the militant collectivists.
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Nov. 17, 2012, 7:56 p.m. CST
darthhalen It's not real... Sorry to break it to you. Those aren't the plotholes you're looking for.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 17, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST
paladinryan I wouldn't change a word. It's carefully constructed. Seemingly throw-away lines actually connect to larger themes. Would you change the Mona Lisa?
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 17, 2012, 8 p.m. CST
Star Wars prequel bashing is a denial of your geekness. It's ok to like something that's a bit goofy. You don't have have credibility among your peers.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 17, 2012, 8:01 p.m. CST
*You don't have to have credibility among your peers.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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ahahaha, hohoho, snif, snif.. god bless you for that laugh. ;) you nerds are a lost case, aren't you?
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I think the nerds are going to learn the true meaning of =raping my childhood=, now that Disney is going full corporate with this cash cow. Jar Jar Binks and SW:Detours are nothing compared to what Disney will vomit for the next 2 decades. Here is one small taste: Kingdom Hearts 4 with Sora, Donald and Goofy against Vader and the Empire. I really can't wait to see the eventual moment when the nerds will start recollecting the "good ol' days with Uncle George". Wait and see.
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Nov. 17, 2012, 8:52 p.m. CST
Anyone else think it's kind of sad that AICN is SCANNING pictures of news articles? That's news?
by Cotton_Mcknight
Print magazines by their very nature are "old" already. Ain't It Cool News is even older than that- it scans pages of articles. That's just ridiculous.
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Nov. 18, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST
sailor_ripley, yes, he did envision them back then, and announced them
by Jaka
I used to own publications from the early 80s where they were discussed.
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If done right having the "old folks" reprise their role in the movies could work to a degree (I say at a limited role at best). I'm not that confident that anyone can or will do it the right way. I'm a little skeptical messing with a franchise such as SW. Sure we've seen it done right... Dark Knight...but also seen it done wrong Batman & Robin. Done right Spiderman done wrong Superman returns. Done wrong 2 Hulk movies...done right Hulk in the Avengers. When done right it can be good...when done wrong it tends to be really really bad.
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[Stoopid "Enter" keyboard button...] Abrams done some nice stuff. But I find his work stiff, in both dialogue, story, and character development (if any). His take on "Star Trek" left me majorly MEH as I walked out of the theater. On DVD... Liked it better, but... No, not up to the next Star Wars. My opinion (which is mine) is that his version would land somewhere between the original trilogy, and the prequels. And while the effects were beyond outstanding, don't get me started on "Cloverfield". No, please, not Abrams. Nor Fincher for that matter. He made the "Alien series" come to an abomination. His done good films since then, but nothing to do with science fiction and action adventure. I kinda wish Lucas would do like he tried before (for RTOJ). Get David Lynch for a chapter. Yeah, his "Dune" was over bloated. But entertainingly so. My two bits. Whatever.
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Seriously, the guy looks like a pernicious cunt. I don't know how anyone can support a creepy cocksucker who looks like a star trek villain.
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Nov. 18, 2012, 11:51 p.m. CST
seconded 'jaka' , I remember reading a book about Star Wars/George Lucas from the '80s and
by Xen11
he had 9 (or was it 12?) planned. I remember my friend reading it first and saying how I needed to check it out because there's all this info you didn't know about and there was at least 9 chapters planned for Star Wars.
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Disney is making space hogwarts. Mark Hamill as Dumbledore teaching children jedi shit. The ghosts of vader, obi-wan, yoda, etc will roam the hallways. Book it.
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Nov. 19, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST
Maybe now we'll finally get that ET sequel we were promised... And Eliot ain't got shit to do so he can be in it.
by HarrysNemesis
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But I was specifically referring to where we left off at the end of ROTJ, with everyone hanging together with a bunch of dancing teddy bears. I always figured the droids ended up staying with someone from that group (Luke, Leia, Han). Since it was actually Uncle Owen who purchased them, I figure the probably 'belong' to Luke. (And apologies for the delay, I missed your comment before.)
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That idea/info was definitely out there quite a bit between ESB and ROTJ, and for a while after ROTJ. And it was often attributed directly to George Lucas.
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about the 9/12 chapters around the release of ANH... it's always been known in some form it seems. Lucas said he would start with the middle....then go back in time to Anakins and then jump back after the middle (Jedi) and find them 30 years later or so....
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He mentions in the late 70's...at the earliest.
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Nov. 20, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST
The first scene should be C-3PO stating that he has
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
a rare component that is failing, and needs a new one from the far-flung droid-manufacturing planet he was created on (thereby retconning all of the prequels away).
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Nov. 20, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST
Okay. Just read some SW nerd wiki. Apparently
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
in the EU C-3PO existed before Anakin. Then, somehow, have him state something that negates that Anakin is the one who repaired him.
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Nov. 20, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST
It was already clear from the Phantom Menace Anakin just assembled C3PO from Watto's junk yard. So of course, he existed before.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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