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TRANSFORMERS 4 And THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 Are Looking To Cast Some Youngin's!!
The Kidd here...
And here I thought Mark Wahlberg might be the only human we'd get in TRANSFORMERS 4, with the story finally shifting away from mankind and maybe more towards... oh, I don't know... the actual Transformers.
Ha... stupid me.
Some more details have come out about TRANSFORMERS 4, courtesy of The Hollywood Reporter, and, while the story is still being kept under wraps, we at least have a little bit of a better idea as to who the players might be once that plot gets finalized.
Right now, director Michael Bay is setting off on his casting search, testing a handful of young actors and actresses for a trio of leads in the film, one of which is already taken by Marky Mark. The film will revolve around Wahlberg and his daughter - with Isabelle Cornish (sister of Abbie), Nicola Peltz (THE LAST AIRBENDER), Margaret Quallay (Andie McDowell's daughter) and Gabriella Wilde (CARRIE) the names being run through the process right now for that slot.
The third lead would be the daughter's boyfriend, who is a race car driver (Who else is envisioning a scene where this guy manages to outrun one of the Decepticons on the road?), and right now the list of candidates is comprised of Luke Grimes (TAKEN 2), Landon Liboiron (TERRA NOVA), Brenton Thwaites (BLUE LAGOOON: THE AWAKENING), Hunter Parrish (WEEDS) and Jack Reynor.
Any new cast would be required to sign up for three pictures, meaning Paramount is looking at another TRANSFORMERS trilogy for this particular set of characters to be centered around and perhaps more of the same that we didn't like abou the initial three movies - more humans, too few robots.
But TRANSFORMERS isn't the only series looking to cast a key young actor, as the continuation of Spidey's untold story (i.e. his parents) is searching to fill a familiar character role.
Brady Corbet (MELANCHOLIA), Dane DeHaan (CHRONICLE) and Alden Ehrenreich (BEAUTIFUL CREATURES) seem to be the most popular names being tossed about right now to play Harry Osborn. Yes, THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2 is set to go there. The role is said to be tailored more for a "dark, edgy" actor, and those three seem to fit the perception of what that is within the rebooted Spidey universe.
I've been quite outspoken in my dislike of THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN, namely for it going against everything we've come to understand about the core of Peter Parker and Spider-Man and flubbing these major aspects of the character for something dark and edgy... but I can't see how moving towards Harry Osborn and Norman Osborn really do anything but draw further comparisons to the Raimi trilogy of films that right now look far superior to what Sony/Columbia is dealing us.
We've already gone down this road before with the Green Goblin... quite extensively... over three films. Do we need potentially two more? Isn't that overkill? Besides, what then makes this trilogy any different than Raimi's? Feels like the same thing, only of poorer quality, by tracking the exact same characters... again. There is a vast array of villains and character parallels that could be examined over the course of a new Spider-Man trilogy that going back to the Osborns, which is clearly inevitable after some of the details of the first film, seems not only repetitive but lazy and lacking of any type of imagination.
I'm still going to be hopeful of any Spider-Man movie, because I love Spidey... but more of the same doesn't sound like a good idea from the outset.
-Billy Donnelly
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Happy to watch him in anything, was excellent in Chronicle and Lawless, looking forward to seeing where his career goes.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST
Oh my god, what could the Transformers4 story be? This secrecy is rough. I just have to know NOW what happens next :)
by Ali Kerim Bey
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But how else will they be able to pull off the death of Gwen Stacy without pissing off fans for altering how that plays out? And we all know that's exactly where the series is headed.
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hell, just recast james. that guy can do ANYTHING.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST
Didn't anyone watch The Amazing Spider-man with their eyes open?
by Benja the Ninja
I thought it was incredible. Classic through and through. Better storytelling, acting, and actually far less CG. Don't understand the hate.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST
Garfield sent Maguire the way of Bana, Norton, and soon Affleck
by Badfish96
Soon to be forgot for the crappy versions of said superheros they played .. ASM crushed the watered down version of PP/SM in Rami's Eh movies ..
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Nov. 15, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST
The Dark Knight sucked beacause they did Joker and Two-face again
by JackSlater4
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Make it stop.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST
It would be lazy to include Aunt May in the next Spiderman movie
by JackSlater4
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Was nothing short of brilliant. Those Raimi films were absolutely rotten.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST
Just watched The Amazing Spiderman and I have to disagree...
by bigbaldpapa
It is superior to the Tobey McGuire Spiderman in just about every way.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST
Yeah, I thought ASM was stronger than any of the originals.
by Samdroid
I loved the first two when I was younger, but they haven't aged well. For me, at least. And I know this isn't really fair to the first two films, but the third film almost cast a shadow over the whole trilogy. It was that bad.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST
Mark doesnt seem old enough to have a racecar-driver dating daughter
by Stephen
unless its bumpercar racing.
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Also, the Lizard sucked. Those were my main complaints with TASM. Whilst I do agree that going down the Osborne/Goblin road again so soon shows a great lack of imagination - why the rush to kill Gwen? She just got here! - one positive I can think of would be the chance at getting Gobby right this time. He looked awful in the first Raimi movie, which otherwise was superior to TASM in almost every department.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST
If they decide to go the lazy route and include Peter Park in the next movie I feel a red and blue suit would be redundant
by JackSlater4
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No offense to the kids who grew up on that gg as their own personal best version, but there's plenty of room for improvement. Better costume, more menacing portrayal, more interesting characterization, maybe even creating more a dr jekyl Mr Hyde dynamic that was practically non-existent in the first one, although we got that already for the Lizard. Still, I liked when Osborn was struggling with the goblin, was haunted by him. It was there in raimi's film, but not enough and not as deep, he was such an asshole to begin with, it's like he didn't need the serum at all to make him evil. Amazing's so amazing to me because it's done what I'd hoped for, which is to wipe the canvas clean for spiderman and remove the muddled, silly, nonsense of the raimi films in favor of a more serious, complex, and interesting version that respects the source material and doesn't shit all over it. I can't and refuse to understand the perspective of those of you who find AS so flawed yet gave Raimi's abomination a free pass. Fuck you guys.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST
Amazing Spiderman wasn't just a great super hero movie. It was a great movie, period.
by Raptor Jesus
It was beautifully shot, frame by frame. Better looking than either Avengers or TDKR. Solid story and GREAT cast. And best romance in a superhero movie, ever.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST
The only fresh way to handle the sequel would be to make Lizard the hero and start to treat thes movies like Undisputed until we get to Venom vs Carnage
by JackSlater4
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Nov. 15, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST
people diss Dafoe Gobby cuz he looks silly. what have you ever read a comic?
by Stephen
Green Goblin looks silly. Its part of the whole thing. You'd rather Ultimate Bendis Hulk Goblin? no thanks.
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Jesus Christ why does this guy write for a movie site? This whole article makes him come off like the biggest movie hating snarky curmudgeon ever. It's like if you took a few of the asshole idiots that appear in these talkbacks and they formed together like Voltron to make an even more powerful asshole idiot talkbacker.
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The Maguire movies were fun. ASM was not.simple as that. Garfields suit was better and the acting arguably so.but superior acting and costumes do not a good movie make. And don't kid yourself, ASM was full of noticeable cgi. Fassbenders acting in Prometheus was better than anyone in , say, Terminator 2, but which was the better movie?
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How about light and gaudy? No?
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Nov. 15, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST
Amazing Spiderman Was Better Than The Original Three, But Still Had Tons of Fucking Retarded Shit In It
by Crow3711
From Beginning to end, full of a dizzying combination of absolute greatness (acting, emma stone, action, banter, cinematography, emma stone) and utter fucking retardation (gwen stacy is a genius high school intern with top priority clearance?, some happy dad controls all the cranes in the city?, spiderman gets shot and suffers just long enough to create some drama, before he fixes himself with no consequence, villain had absolutely no story/purpose/arc, weird mythology bullshit everywhere). So overall, I still say it was better than anything in Tobey's era, but it still far, FAR from perfect. Best love story in a superhero movie ever. I'll give it that. Stone and Garfield were bananas good together.
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Not trying tr0ll here but it wasn't nearly as campy as Raimi's version ... and I simply prefer Webb's much more. I look forward to the sequel ... and hope that that the Green Goblin's costume isn't lifted from a Mighty Morphin Power Rangers episode.
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Kidd, great article. I know your disdain for THE AMAZING SPIDER MAN runs deep, but, like Nolan's Batman films, super hero films appear to be climbing toward higher ground to appeal to wider audiences. The died-in-the-wool fans don't equate to box office anymore, not after the disastrous SCOTT PILGRIM. I think the new Spidey is superior to Raimi's work, but I'm just one guy. Why did I like it more? It didn't talk AT me, it immersed me in Peter's world, his conflicts, emotions, and flaws. He was the guy I knew in high school. ASM's plot and color palette was organically executed. I pitied Conners. I really didn't feel much for Raimi's villains. Except Sandman, sure. I think we can expect a very different Goblin in the next Spidey films, one that wider audiences can relate to instead of a whiny scientist in a green metallic suit.
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I would like some substance, and the pretty-boy kiddos don't have it.
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The acting in TASM wasn't good at all! Hell, the movie only really ever felt alive when Emma Stone came on screen. I am well aware of the flaws that the original spidey trilogy had, but you have got to be crazy to argue that the new one is a great film. It isn't--it smacks of strange last minute edits and in turn, every event just seems to happen simply because it needs to otherwise the movie stops. Parker as a vengeful kid who only gives up the search for Ben's killer upon finding out about the Lizard? If this is a 'better' rendition of Parker, I don't want in on this franchise. I REALLY wanted to love TASM when I rented it the other night, but it was just a shitty movie that happened to be about Spider-Man (in shades).
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I found it much more enjoyable than the Raimi films. It wasn't perfect, but it felt a lot more like a genuine attempt by one filmmaker to tell a reasonably personal, surprisingly touching, Spidey story. Not hating on the first two Raimi films, because I liked them at the time, but, as satisfying entertainment, I don't think they come close to what Webb managed to achieve.
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reasons: -Douche Parker (NOT LIKABLE) -Easy Romance. Sorry, Spidey aint vampire diaries. He shouldn't have girls gazing at his mystery from across the room. -Lame villain. Lizard looked cool and the high school fight was decent but he was so one dimensional it was a joke. -Costume. It looked like a professional experimental fashion designer made it. AND it was ugly. I never really liked how they glossed over how poor parker got such expensive looking duds in the first one, but this was even worse. No way a high schooler made that. -Uncle Ben was pointless since it was all about Peter's parents. No tragedy to his death cuz he was pointless in the first place. -Gwen was dull and boring. I've never hated Emma Stone before. -take off the mask to save the kid was stolen from a Batman Beyond episode that used it way better. Plus it was pointless and dumb. Good things about ASM: -Spidey moved better than in the OT. Fight scene body language was more crouchy and kinetic. -umm. That's it.
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If you go back to the Lee/Ditko era comics, Pete's a pretty broody guy. Sure, he wisecracks, but thanks to thought balloons, you see a pretty vengeful, mean and dark side to Pete. I actually thought this movie was more loyal to the early comics than the Raimi Trilogy.
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But It was entertaining and now that they got the origin story out of the way. I can't wait to see what they do next. I really do think the next one is going to fix alot of the flaws this film had.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST
Why can't Bay just make a badass movie about transforming robots
by mongo126
and not give us his standard horrible pseudo-comedy. Fucking Bay and fucking public that keeps feeding this shit franchise.
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I don't see how a new Transformers film couldn't simultaneously focus more on the robots AND feature a few human characters. The cartoon actually managed to do that pretty well. What I want to see more than anything else in a Transformers film in the future is have the robots actually be necessary to the plot, and not just for the action sequences. Trouble is, I know Michael Bay isn't going to do that. He's going to have a ton more unnecessary human characters than what should be in the film, just like Sam's parents, Bernie Mac, Anthony Anderson, the Secretary of Defense from Revenge of the Fallen, Ken Leung, Alan Tudyk, and John Malkovich. Think for a moment if even half of those people didn't waste time in the movies. None of them contributed anything memorable, even in comedic scenes. I could have done without Sam's mom eating pot brownies on his college campus, and what exactly was the point behind Tudyk and Malkovich's characters? I really didn't get the joke of Tudyk being pseudo-gay and also able to beat up three guys pointing guns at him. And what exactly was the point of a "red floor" vs a "yellow floor" at Malkovich's company? Who comes up with these jokes and what are the punchlines? I don't mind having humans in a Transformers movie. Audiences need humans in order to relate to what's going on in the film. Human characters help them suspend disbelief more. But I don't want a Transformers film where it's 2 hours of humans talking and 30 minutes of robots fighting.
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Both the leads were totally miscast, especially MJ, and the story/plot went nowhere at a million miles an hour. Webb's in comparison is Oscar worthy.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST
When will nerds get it through their thick skulls that the makers of transformers do not fucking care what they want at fucking all.
by UltraTron
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he was the first larger-than-life superhero to have all the same problems as a normal american kid. This is the total opposite of why a character like Batman is good. Batman doesn't have normal problems, he has big problems. Pete has lunch-money and girl problems. ASM ruined this entire premise by making him attractive. Peter shouldn't be ugly, but it needs to be him who's stumbling over himself for girls who don't take him seriously. This fear that he's doing everything wrong (compounded and encapsulated by the Uncle Ben tragedy) is why he throws himself into his Spider-Man persona. The romance in this movie was completely wrong. There was no conflict to it whatsoever. Gwen likes Peter. Peter is cool. Peter likes Gwen back. Then she finds out he's spider-man and likes it. solved! Maybe everybody who grew up on 90s spidey when he has 4 or 5 bitches at once don't understand this, but to a kid like me with nothing but a paper route, a social phobia and a collection of the first 10 issues or so, it's fucking indispensable.
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this whole Spider-Man reboot is redundant in the same way "Superman Returns" was to Christopher Reeves films. They join the small few comic book movies I have no interest in ever watching, including "Batman & Robin", both "Fantastic Four" movies, "Wolverine" & "Elektra". Don't waste my mothafuckin' time.
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-No disco dancing Parker -No bitchslapping Parker -No dimwitted Parker -No Parker leaving a car used/and shot up during a bank robbery to be given to a cop as his problem. WTF -No crying Parker -No Macy Gray -No butler that could of solved Harry's problem within the first movie, just to fart out the answer at the end of the 3rd film. If Raimi was to do a 4th film...Vulturess!? WTF and more of: -Dimwitted Parker -Gangnam Style dancing Parker -Parker sobbing over everything. What ASM got right: -Smart Parker, that actually makes things! -Wiseass Parker -Mech Webshooters -Gwen Stacy before MJ -Fights like Spider-Man -Parker doesn't whisper through the whole film -More realistic CG What ASM got wrong: -Darker Parker -No WGPCGR to make Parker become Spiderman...just revenge. -No Bruce Campbell, lol -Sorta Emo Parker... atleast he didn't disco dance
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Nov. 15, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST
Rule of Life #4045 - if the Kidd hates and/or likes something, go in the opposite manner
by Al
See also "Quint". And lack of taste therein.
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But than again that's because my expectations were in the toilet. And it still had some things that I really disliked. Like beating around the bush of Uncle Ben saying with Great Power Comes Great Responsibility. And the Lizard while in the end his scheme was big was a pretty weak villain. It does just seem like more rehash can they at least build towards the sinister six. Prolonging the origin over 3 films is just kind of stupid to me. I love Spidey so I want it to be good, but ASM was really only on par with Spider-Man and 3 it can't touch Spider-Man 2.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST
Now I will say I way prefer Emma Stone's Gwen Stacy over Kristen Dunts Mary-Jane
by Wcwlkr
But I loved Gwen more than MJ anyway, but Stone does a hell of a lot better job to me.
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Likes raimis better but would take Emma stone over Kirsten dunst any day. Looking forward to new transformers
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Nov. 15, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST
Absolutely hated The Amazing Spider-Man. And he's my favorite comic character of all time.
by kindofabigdeal
The first night I seen it I called bullshit on all the choices they made on establishing their 'own' Peter Parker. The way he treats his Aunt and Uncle who were the ones who raised him since a child. He was a douche and a prick who's asshole-isms only increased with his powers. Did not like any of the teases they did priot to it's release. The only time Spidey skated was on Tony Hawk. WTF were they thinking. You know who loved this movie? All the whiny tweens who think that Ulitmate Spider-Man is the only Spidey out there. Even that shitty remake can't be as bad as this film is. Now I know Raimi's movies all had their flaws. But you usually didn't notice them until multiple viewings. (except 3, no apologies there) But I still felt that the core of Peter Parker and the elements of telling a great Spidey story were there. The only thing I'll give this movie is it's fight sequences. Not that stupid bridge scene where he gives the kid his mask. I'm talking the school fight and Spidey creeping in the sewers. Those were iconic images practically lifted from the comics I loved and were just as good as anything that Raimi did. But that's where it ends. Everything I have to bitch about has been said on mulitiple threads on various web sites. I say it's time to give this debate a rest. If your a 90's baby you love this movie. All the rest of us nerdy comic loving, film loving fan boys will always have our trilogy that sent the superhero movie into overdrive. Let's face it, without Raimi's movies we wouldn't have Dark Knight or Avengers.
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Totally agree, and this is coming from someone that actually thought the Raimi films were flawed.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST
Parker doesn't whisper through the whole film--Ha yeah but
by Samuel Fulmer
Garfield plays him like he's got Asperger's.
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Saw this the other night and was underwhelmed. People criticize Raimi’s take, but his Peter Parker came across as lonely and guilt/angst ridden without being an asshole. Maguire’s Parker cried too much, sure, but at least he emoted (and sold it – the entire graveside scene at the end of SM 1 was heartbreaking). And with Raimi/Maguire, you never doubted Peter was a nerd genius. Garfield’s Parker? Outside of putting together the webshooters (which, from the look of it, was a design he ripped off from OsCorp) and scribbling a formula on a napkin (which he copped from his dad’s book), he never came across as a genius-level anything. And no pathos whatsoever – with Garfield I kept thinking “when did Parker become a dick?” Slacker, smartass, slacker, hoodie slacker and crying slacker – there you have it. However, much of the blame falls on the script. Trying to shoehorn Pete’s feeling of isolation – he “just can’t talk about his feelings” – was clunky. And the robber who killed Uncle Ben is…where? Probably dangling from his plot line. Pete’s motivation to not stop the robber and become a hero was threadbare at best. Finally, there was no chemistry whatsoever between Garfield and Emma Stone (though she made the perfect Gwen Stacy), no matter how many start/stop interrupt-myself-because-I’m-nervous conversations they had. These are the ravings of a guy who wasn’t in the target audience for this movie – I get that. Still, this reboot didn’t come close to Raimi’s Spidey flix (especially 1 & 2) regardless of the age group they were aiming for.
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1. I didn't think that Parker was a douche. Maybe a bit whiny, but that's it. He was likable enough. I think that Toby Maguire was more likable, but even he had his problems. 2. Spidey & girls go together more than you think. The comics would have us believe that he's a hapless loser, what with his "Parker luck", but Spidey/Peter gets more women than any real world dork every would. Like George Costanza on Seinfeld, Spider-Man swims in a sea of women way out of his league. The whole Gwen Stacy thing? There since the early days. Women have been swooning over him forever. 3. Lizard? I take the opposite stance. Lizard is usually a pretty cool villain in the comics. While I do agree with you that the fight was decent, he looked terrible here. He looked like a rejected Goomba from the old Super Mario Brothers movie. 4. The costume was kinda ugly. I agree. You get used to it, but I agree that no highschooler could have made it. Then again, this is a comic book world. If I can't buy into the fact that he can make his own costume then how can I buy into anything else in the movie? Same issue as with the Raimi movies. You've got to suspend disbelief for these things though. 5. I'm not sure that Ben was pointless. The movie DID show how Ben stepped up to be the father that Peter needed. He was Peter's rock, whether he knew it or not. Here, I think that they're kinda going somewhere with the parents' arc. Webb has plans to explore it further. The only thing he did different was to introduce that element early on. In the whole intrigue and mystery behind his parents' disappearance/deaths was retconned into existence many years later. 6. Gwen. Here's the thing you have to understand about her. She's disposable. We all know that this isn't going to end well. Gwen WILL die. It might not happen until ASM3, but it will happen. Gwen will die and Mary Jane, who's being introduced next movie, will take her place. Gwen was boring in the comics too. That's just the nature of her design, which is why going with the wilder MJ was such a radical departure for Peter. 7. Taking off the mask? Not stolen from any one particular thing. It's just an excuse to show more of the actor's face. The Raimi trilogy did it all of the time and it sucked just as hard. The thing is: Very few actors want to hide behind the mask. They feel as if they can't emote if you can't see them. That's why, imo, it was very brave for Hugo Weaving to never unmask in V for Vendetta. It was far more challeging and didn't betray the concept behind the character. In movies like Spider-Man, Captain America, Batman, & so on... That mask's coming off at one point. It sucks. I know. Spidey's movment was a mixed bag for me. It was certainly more kinetic. It felt as if his style was all improvised, which felt appropriate. However, unlike the OT, I think that they missed some of the few key, iconic Spider-Man poses. They worked their way into his signature swinging style by the end, but something felt... off. Almost as if a new penciler took over the book. ASM wasn't a bad movie. It was anticlimactic to be sure, but it wasn't bad.Honestly? I liked it a lot more than TDKR, which bit donkey ass imo.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST
The Amazing Spiderman - i didnt even bother to torrent it.
by rakesh patel
Spidey has the biggest pool of villains ever. And good ones at that. Yet for some reason they're going back ot the fucking Osbornes?!?!?!? Looks like this series is determined to self sabotage and hand back the reigns to marvel.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST
I disagree, The Amazing Spiderman > Sam Raimi's entire Trilogy
by ganymede3010
While this isn't the perfect Spiderman movie it's the best one we've gotten so far IMO. And for those who're accusing the TASM of "copying" the The Dark Knight failed to realize that Sony was already set to go with a dark depiction of Spiderman when they hired James Cameron to direct it many years ago. If you read that script then know is it was very serious and dark. I'm interested to see Mark Webb's take on Electro. My prediction is they'll go with something more similar to James Cameron's version of Electro.
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I'm a huge Sam Raimi fan. One of the biggest. I loved the first and second Spider Man. Though there were parts in them both that made me shrink away in agony. They mostly had to do with the casting. I didn't like Toby or Dunst or Franco. The only major characters (not counting Campbell) I thought they got right with the casting was the Goblin and Sandman. And Grace is a decent enough actor, but Venom should not have been in #3. That should have been just Spidey vs Sandman. All this said, the new Spider Man is very different from Raimi's Spider Man. I was against them rehashing Spider Man as much of as the next guy when I first heard (though I was secretly psyched because I'm a huge wall crawler fiend). Then I saw the film. And I have to say that I quite liked it. It's a fresh approach to the material. A different angle. The casting is superb. There are none of those cringe inducing moments with Macquire staring out into space with that blank look on his face. There are no disco dancing emo peter parkers. I'm up for a reboot if it's done right. And this one is done different enough to keep me interested.
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Not sure if it was the director who had only done one other film prior to this, or if there was too much studio interferance, or a little of both. It really felt like the film (plot) was just all over the place and didn't know what it was doing.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST
ganymede3010 James Cameron obviously understood the fundamentals of the Spider-Man character
by Stephen
why he's likable, his problems, the puberty metaphor. These were all completely absent from Webb's version. 'Dark' has nothing to do with it
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Goes to show how little people give a shit about Bayformers anymore. Nobody even cares enough to complain about it now.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST
Race car driver boyfriend? Yeah. No. Transformers 4 is going to be stupid, you can tell.
by happybunni
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Also, everything was bad about it. The cheesy way the killed Ben. The Lizard sucked horribly, both in character development and cgi. And I lost all respect I had for Dennis Leary.
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as the dance scene in Spider-Man 3.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 2:19 p.m. CST
I thought it was a decent film with moments of greatness, but it didn't have the impact of Raimi's first film.
by Randy
Seriously, seeing Spider-Man back in 2002 was an incredible experience, it pretty much delivered all the way as a blockbuster. The final scene with Pete turning down Mary Jane and narrating is incredible, in a few words we get what makes Spider-Man who he is. To make a truly good adaptation, is to deep down get what makes that character work, and just do your own thing with it. Raimi seemed to understand Spider-Man enough, but he made his own film, with a pretty tight and well paced story, solid action and plenty of fun. Webb's film is just too unbalanced, the tone is all over the place and it never becomes anything more than average.
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Films where older people and middle aged people and young people that aren't teeny boppers can all be in the same movie kicking ass.
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there being a lack of chemistry between Garfield and Stone!! Are you freaking kidding me?! Their natural chemistry together was one of the most believable parts and best parts of ASM. So natural, in fact, that they are a "real-life" couple now. Clearly you have issues seeing this, which is where your girl problems possibly come from.
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but there's no way "youngin's" is right. though I dont know how the fuck you do spell it
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Nov. 15, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST
peter needs to continue to discover the mystery about his parents.
by undead_uncle_ben
and then have it all cut from the finished sequel so they can readdress it in part 3. oh and guess who peters father really is? hmm??
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Nov. 15, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST
Tobys Peter cried and cried and cried...and just when you thought he was done....
by CARTMANEZ
he cried some more cried his little heart out bless
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Do you you all like shitty movies? Amazing Spider-man was good?!?! ahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahah
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Nov. 15, 2012, 2:38 p.m. CST
Toby's Peter always looked like he was about to cry...even when he was not
by CARTMANEZ
you could imagine him sneaking off for a little cry when no one was looking
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i can imagine him crying immediatly after climax
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ASM was far and away a better film than the Raimi series, and the weak points that can be fixed on the next outing: 1. More tension between hero/villain 2. No more lines like, "I know! You're boyfriend is a man of many masks! I get it." That's the only part of ASM where I rolled my eyes. Leary should have told is writer to give him something better. Leary, that's your fuckin' fault, buddy. 3. Now that they've restablished the series, the story can progress on it's own without inherent and understandable comparison to the 2003 film.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST
How about they shit and fall back in it and don't make either one of these pieces of shit.
by tom
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Nov. 15, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST
So natural, in fact, that they are a "real-life" couple now-See this is where you guys buy the PR bullshit
by Samuel Fulmer
I didn't really see much chemistry there at all in the film, you had two people tying to give an improved feel to dialogue that was anything but, and it came out forced to say the least. Sure they're "going out" in real life, but that doesn't mean chemistry is there on the screen that isn't.
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...I've forgotten more pussy than you'll ever see. I understand your being upset when someone calmly discusses the movie you rub against your shriveled little pecker to squeeze out a few drops of tainted man chowder, but do yourself (and those of us having a reasonable conversation about the movie) a favor: quite being a craptwat and shut the fuck up.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST
LOLing at Tobys peter crying all the time aside, i still think it was way too soon to reboot
by CARTMANEZ
why reboot when the origin had been done pretty much as good as Superman The Movie? and the sequel as revered as Superman II? ok SM3 was terrible but no need to throw the rest away. just do 4 and if Rami didnt want to return didnt mean Toby couldnt come back (without MJ) or even if he didnt want to do it without Rami then why not just had A Garfield as Parker in the Rami verse - not a reboot rebooting like batman begins only to pretty much make the same movie as SM1 except with mech webshooters, Gwen and Lizard was way strange.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST
I was hoping for the role of Harry it might've been the kid from Shameless
by TheSeeker7
I can't think of his name right now, but the kid who played Lip. If he chooses the right roles, that kid has a long and brilliant career ahead of him.
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but you know, its SO GOOD the way he UNRAVELS THE MYSTERY of his PARENTS and the classic scenes like UNCLE BEN'S DEATH were just SO MUCH BETTER this time that there was just NO WAY they could pass it up.
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Parker being kind of a loser is what makes him a character I root for.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST
Toby Maguire should have played Freedo Baggins - brother of Frodo
by CARTMANEZ
and had crying competitions - who cried the longest wins...or whoever cries themseleves to sleep first loses
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If he cries, you gotta cry harder man!!
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Nov. 15, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST
Sam Rami on loudspeaker filming any of the SM movies - "Toby..i want you to cry...cry for me..."
by CARTMANEZ
CRY DAMN YOU CRY!!
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Nov. 15, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST
Garfield's Parker voice is worse then Bale's Batman voice
by Samuel Fulmer
Weird accent (I guess he's trying to sound like Raphael from the 1990 Ninja Turtles movie) with the cadence of Jeff Goldblum circa The Fly onward.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST
Toby mustve been way jealous at Kiefer Sutherlands famous cry scene in 24
by CARTMANEZ
you know the one when hes sat in the car and he just goes...that the best crying ive ever seen
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Nov. 15, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST
Garfield's "brooding" was just him trying really hard to do an american accent the whole time!
by Stephen
(fact)
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Maybe that's why he hasn't been in to many movies recently, his tearducts are still recovering.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST
Just because Harry Osborne is in it, doesn't mean there going down that path again in the next movie or right away.
by MRJONZ72
Hell it doesn't even mean we will see Norman in the next movie. But I would like that story revisited at some point. But I would like to see the whole Osbourne and Green Goblin stuff revisted at some point. So I wouldn't mind the establishment of the characters already for a payoff (as long as its a good one lol) down the road. Also those Electro rumors seem to have some weight to them. But I say lets just wait until they let it be known before jumping to conclusions.
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Sure add new villains like Electro, or any of the Sinister 6, he's got a great rogues gallery. Norman Osborn should remain in the background for a while yet. Leave him lurking in the shadows and tease us with this incarnation. To leave out the Osborns completely would be retarded their integral part of the Spidey story.
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...steal the secrets of advanced skateboarding technology from Peter instead of his dad. It's payback for all the stuff Peter stole in 'Average Spider-Man 1'.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST
Bruce Campbell thought that Tobey was a retard
by Michael_Jacksons_Ghost
because he couldn't understand why Bruce was a different charater in each movie! True story.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 3:25 p.m. CST
It should be called the Spectacular Spider-Man followed up by the Web of Spider-Man.
by Refrigerator_running
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Nov. 15, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST
Yet another movie about a parent protecting their children...
by TopHat
...every single film now is made for people who are parents. Its as if we have an entire media construct to just help people who have kids feel better about themselves. REALITY CHECK: If you have children, you are no where near as badass as these parent characters in movies. If some alien/robot/terrorist threatened the life of your child, you would not "kick ass". You would pee yourself, let the bad guy do whatever they want, then afterwards blame anyone or anything other than yourself. CHILDREN BEING DRAGGED TO THESE FILMS BY THEIR PARENTS: Your parents are assholes. They do NOT know what's best. All they're concerned about is feeling superior towards other people who have children and having complete unaccountablity to whatever fuck ups you do in your life. Unless you act cute and don't question anything they do, they don't love you. The only reason why they had you was because they were too lazy to use birth control and/or were so unoriginal and weak the only they could come up with doing is repeating their own childhoods, only this time they get to play the grown-ups. Steal their money. Do whatever you want. Run away. REBEAL *SPECIAL MESSAGE FOR GIRLS Do not end up like that red head in BRAVE where you have no friends and your mom is your BFF. That is NOT empowering or, dare I say, "brave". TEENAGERS: If any of your friends talk like Peter or Gwen from THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN, cut all ties and never speak to them again. You are NOT supposed to act like yuppie thirty-year-olds at your age. You should be: 1) Fucking 2) Doing drugs 3) Fucking 4) Drinking 5) Smoking 6) Fucking
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Nov. 15, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST
teenage girls. don't listen to movies. you should be fucking as many talkbackers as you can
by Stephen
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I've heard nothing but good things about it up until recently all the sudden, and I've yet to sit down and watch it myself. I'll make up my own mind when I do.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST
Even though, I admit, I wasn't that interested in the new Spidey at first.^
by Jarrete Barnett
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But they look kind of silly now. I don't hate them, but I liked this new characterization better. I just didn't see the need for the origin story, particularly when it's pretty much the same fundamentally, just told a little better. Just not needed. Hope the sequels have less similarity to the Raimi material. In all fairness, after the steaming pile of shit that was Spider Man 3, they had to reboot.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST
@richievanderlow- In all fairness, after the steaming pile of shit that was Spider Man 3, they had to reboot.
by Stephen
I disagree. There's a difference between a bad movie and a franchise ruiner. As bad as SM3 was, the world was still Spider-Man's world. He fights bad guys, dates MJ, etc. Nothing you couldn't save with a sequel. So if Tobey and Dunst were getting annoying, you recast, a la Batman Forever or Live and Let Die, but you don't have to start all over from the beginning. X3 is more of a franchise ruiner IMO. It overcomplicated everything and destroyed so many characters that were core to the idea of X-Men, that I believe that the series needed a reboot. Of course, Fox is not so nice to us.
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Can I be the penis?
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Nov. 15, 2012, 4 p.m. CST
Marky Mark should play a grown up Witwicki in the future with future weapons.
by kindofabigdeal
He should have a full size Mech suit that he uses to battle alongside the Autobots. After a horrific war that threatens all life on Earth the Autobots decide to move on. Pursued by the Decepticons they crashland on a planet that forces them to take on Beast Mode and a new war begins.
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All of you that are saying the new Spider-Man series shouldn't bring in the Osborn family must have hated The Dark Knight. I mean, they already did Joker in Batman 89, so why bring him back? Not to mention Two Face had been done, too. I like both Spider-Man series so far, they are just different versions of the Spidey mythos (couldn't stand SM3, though, for many reasons). Neither version of Spider-Man is perfect, but they both bring something to the table that the other couldn't.
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If you fuck the director, you get a part in the movie.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST
Amazing Spiderman wasn't just a great super hero movie. It was a great movie, period.
by Adam D. Kline
BWAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAA!!! *wipes drool from mouth* BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!! Oh Christ, I needed that...
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Nov. 15, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST
Michael Bay is the smartest, most in touch Director in Hollywood today.
by conspiracy
WE may hate his products...but the fucker understands his audience better than WE do. I both loathe and admire the bastard... $2.6+Billion in worldwide box office tells the tale.
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It's not about Star Trek
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raimi's films are closer to john romita's spidey. webb's are more like the original, earliest spidey comics. most people i know thought this was the best spidey film yet. i still like 2 (especially 2.1), but this was a good restart. and COME ON -- OF COURSE you need the osborns. gwen's not going to jump off that bridge by herself.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST
I'd rather see Michael Bay's Spectacular Spidey movie.
by kindofabigdeal
A long tracking shot of Emma Stones sweet ass wearing a nighty. Slow mo action shot of pumpkin bombs going off while Spidey dodges em. Rhino acting like a racist stereo type. Aunt May accidentally eats a neighbors pot brownie. You know, the usual M Bay stuff.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST
Amazing Spierman much better than I expected...and Peter's suit from the Raimi's flick
by Darth Macchio
I don't get the hate either. I do think it's a middle finger to the great Dylan Baker who so completely EARNED the role of Lizard that I was genuinely pissed to hear he wasn't going to get it (recast/rebooted Spidey or not). That said, I expected to not like Amazing Spiderman. Yet I found it on a level with Raimi's first and enjoyed it immensely. Raimi's flicks had their problems to be sure. Although, do we really think it was Raimi who said "You know what would be super awesome? If we got Macy Gray to sing a song during this part! She could player herself! Wouldn't that be awesome?" somehow I don't see Sam and Ted rocking out to Macy Gray on their own...ever. Parker cried too much but the skinny kid turns musclely overnight was kewl...the scenes discovering his powers and having a blast using them for the first time were all excellent. Not so much in ASM but yet still a great portrayal. But Power Rangers Goblin wasn't as bad for me as it was for most of you. Primarily because they gave him little touches here and there that I felt fleshed out their version of Goblin (dragging his hand across the balloon as he flies by...terrorizing Aunt May using her beliefs, etc). Finally, Peter's suit from Raimi's flick had a genuinely brilliant origin if you read Peter David's novelization: Remember "The Flying Dutchman" that got pummeled by Buzzsaw McGraw in Raimi's first Spidey film? Well, PD's novel version had the Dutchman's people make Peter the suit for beating the shit out of McGraw - Peter shows up to pick up the suit they made for him (using Parker's designs from the notebook) wearing the red ski mask and red/blue sweats from the initial wrestling match. That's how he got the suit and while I understand not being able to fit that scene in, it makes for probably the best cinematic explanation I've seen thus far.
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and make the Green Goblin LOOK like the Green Goblin, instead of some crappy looking mask. But yeah, I won't us GG. Maybe they should use Morbius, I hearing the vampire market is huge now.
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bashing a film, self absorbed parents, and promoting teenaged drinking and fucking within a Single Post is a Professional post in my book... Well Done!
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Was a steaming pile of shit compared to the S.R. movies (except the third, it sucked). The originals focused mostly on how Peter tried to balance this massive responsibility of having these fantastic gifts while trying to lead a normal life. The new spiderman was basically Peter being half emo and shit, and trying to get down his gf's pants. It was dumbed down for a dumber audience.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST
Real Green Goblin wore a mask, not a helmet...no reason this one couldn't too
by Darth Macchio
And yes, I think we can go back to Goblin if it's done in a way that changes the game. Think Ledger's Joker to Nicholson's. And no no no - not to say they should emulate anything Nolan has done of course. I'm talking about how Ledger's Joker gave credit and homage to and yet was far superior to Nicholson's Joker (in my eyes). Every line Joker says while incarcerated are simply brilliant...I love those moments more than most any other "comic" book movie thus far. Not TDK as a whole more than any other...but those scenes are about as perfect as you could get in my eyes. But if we got a brilliant and utterly devious representation of the Goblin with a guy wearing a halloween horror mask (not unlike the real original Goblin wore a mask and not a helmet), then we'd be moving in the right direction. Not so sure on the casting of Michael Massee for Norman. He was the "Man in Shadows" in ASM but it's him so far as I know. Great actor but not exactly what I pictured for Osborne. Dafoe is about as perfect a casting as you can get unfortunately. Too bad he wasn't utilized in a better version of Goblin...now one of my favorite Marvel villains...
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As did the two huge comic book geeks I went with. That being said, I also loved Raimi's Spidey, webs and all. I also love all of you. Let's cuddle.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST
Spider-man needs to break the same 3 act structure. It's become a rut.
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
Sony should just throw the conventional story structure out and give us a Sinister Six movie. No girlfriends, no Aunt May, no JJJ (well maybe cameos). Just one ass-kicking, balls-to-the-wall Spidey slugfest with Doc Ock and all the gang. Fuck it, go for broke.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 5:03 p.m. CST
ASM was trope-filled, soulless, visionless, studio exec-driven dogshit
by Duke Silver
It was no different than Total Recall 2012 or a Platinum Dunes remake. All flash, no energy or substance. Just boring assembly of cliches and tropes. I get not liking Raimi's take. His was silly and campy. But at least it had a heart. At least their was actual filmmaking behind it. It had a style and vision to it. ASM is $250 million worth of NOTHING other than making a quick a buck as possible. Waltkovacs is right. the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon is a 100x better a reboot than this movie.
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Bumblebee rides a skate board and acts like a dick to a helpless Decepticon.
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The last three were seriously overlong. The first two in particular play excellent when cut to about 101m. or so.
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I get that they were basing it on the Ultimate spiderman series but Richard Parker created Venom. Richard creating the spiders is like a slap in the face to the audience
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Nov. 15, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST
I finally watched ASM when it was released early on Amazon Instant Video. I was excited to watch it, hoping my misgivings were wrong...
by American Mythos
... the film was more horrible than I thought it would be. Andrew Garfield was damn near insufferable. Emma Stone was great. Sally Field unnecessary (something Aunt May should never be in a Spider-Man film). Uncle Ben underused. Connors/Lizard a complete misfire. The Raimi films were far better. ASM actually made me appreciate Spider-Man 3 more. Sandman's story in particular was well crafted compared to the Lizard's.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 5:13 p.m. CST
They got a guy named Webb to direct a Spiderman movie?
by Lao_Che_Air_Freight
Sorry for being late to the party, I'm just catching up..
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Nov. 15, 2012, 5:13 p.m. CST
I feel like the Michael Massee "Main In Shadows" guy was just a placeholder
by rev_skarekroe
They MIGHT use him as Norman in Spider Man 2, but most likely they'll recast with a well known actor. Since he was all hidden in the first film, they can pretty much use anybody.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 5:16 p.m. CST
No seriously, is that a joke? Marc WEBB directed that new Spiderman movie?
by Lao_Che_Air_Freight
Hi Im Frank Doubloon, and I'll be directing Pirates 5....
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It ruined it for me. Simple as that. It jumped the shark with douchey Peter under the influence of Venom and also ruined any chemistry the cast had built. I would not have gone back to see a part four under Raimi after that massive turd.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST
I see Sony has dispatched all their soulless, loser plants. What do they pay you chumps with? Jaden Smith-autographed copies of the garbage Karate Kid remake?
by The Krypton Kid
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Nov. 15, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST
The Amazing Spider-Man in no way, shape, or form resembled who Peter Park is. Peter Parker is not some whiney, angry, emo douchebag.
by The Krypton Kid
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Nov. 15, 2012, 5:44 p.m. CST
As long as they keep it to 3 humans who have something to do with each other, it might be ok.
by Cotton_Mcknight
A dad, a daughter, and a boyfriend. High and tight. That's fine, just so long as we don't get a bunch of other storylines like the military platoon, the hackers, etc etc etc all in one damn movie. Seriously, these movies have like 8 different storylines going on at once.
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I can't believe some of the comments in this Talkback. Alfred Molina's Dr. Octopus is ICONIC. The train fight is still fantastic to watch. Maguire's "Here's your change" line during the bank robbery is CLASSIC Spidey. Some of you people are clueless trolls. Unbelievable.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST
I do know why Michael Bay wants to make more Transformers movies. The money. Seriously, these movies are a fucking goldmine for him.
by Mr. Pricklepants
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Nov. 15, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST
Those who call TASM "brilliant" "great", "faithful to the story" or anything related are either PLANTS or teens with no fucking clue about neither movies nor Comics
by Franck
And I'm not saying they don't have the right to like it, I am saying that if, in comparison, they find it "brilliant" compared to the usual movies they were brought up with, we have badly fucked up general movie standards, expectations, and overall quality.
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Really it was average at best.. Slightly better than 3..
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i agree, spidey 2 is still the best. if you haven't seen 2.1, you really should. a clear improvement on the theatrical version, and definitely a better train fight scene.
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i'm 57, have no relation whatever to sony, and started reading spidey with issue #16. so i know plenty about the comics. and i really liked TASM.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST
Loved the Amazing Spiderman, enough with all the hate!
by MovieGeekBlog
I don't understand all the hate. Yes Raimi's first 2 movies were great, but enough of that. Garfield was perfect, the SFX amazing, acting all around was very good too. Shut up all you haters and go somewhere else. here's what I thought of the film at the time http://wp.me/p19wJ2-Cr
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Sure some folks like the old and some like the new.. Honestly I liked ASM more than TDKR.. But there were a lot of ASM appologists that bought every plant comment prior to ASM's release.. Hell some would be rather insulting if you didn't believe that ASM was going to this vast improvement to the franchise.. Sure ASM could have been worse.. But I had a laundry list of problems with the flick when I left the theatre.. The biggest for me was the movie largely redudant and pointless... The sequel sounds like more of the same..
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:18 p.m. CST
anybody who says ASM > than Raimi's trilogy is a Twilight tween-like Christian/moron vibes cunt
by awepittance
sorry it's true
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST
I'm only 45 so I should be coming up to the right age to play a high schooler...
by in6087
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST
So much for Transformers 4 breathing new life into the franchise.
by Frank Grimes
So they're going for the goofy teenage son with the impossibly hot supermodel girlfriend who get caught up in the ongoing robot war. Sorry no thanks. These movies are just an excuse for Bay to break out the casting couch and fuck hot twenty something actresses.
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It was definitely a better movie than the Raimi movies, but they need to get away from this business of retelling the same parts of the same story.
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everything about that movie was wrong and had little or nothing to do with spidey mythos had that spidey been introduced in 62, it wouldve died in 1 issue and the world wouldve been spared stan lee make it so
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST
Lizard is awesome and would be a great fight with hulk. Hulk would be all hulk tear off limb but limb grow back. Why limb attack hulk?
by UltraTron
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST
Spider-Man could only slow hulk down a bit by climbing all over him and spinning webs all over em. He could swing too. Boy he has the power to swing good.
by UltraTron
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Nov. 15, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST
In fact if you like watching a hero who swings that guy is the cat's shiznit
by UltraTron
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anyone who says that is a plant and has never read the ditko spideys
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Jesus Lord palomino what's the demographic of this site? Anyone who says there is "greatness" in ASM has clearly not been alive long enough to see a great film. Sloppy writing. Plot holes. Greatness? On top of that, it wasn't even a great SPIDER-MAN film -- you can change actors and actresses and whatever, but when you change the CORE of the character -- That Peter is driven by the guilt of HIS RESPONSIBILITY for his beloved Uncle's death -- then you just have another stupid, glossy action movie. It could have been "fart-Man" or "bug-man." At least then it wouldn't have SHHIT on the character it was exploiting. And also, Raimi's films were not "shit" -- SM1 was a near perfect origin story (they should have used GWEN -- and the Goblin mask was a whole studio/fight fuckup) 3 was weak, because he didn't want to use Venom and they forced him so he used him badly, but there was no disco dancing PP in SM2. It has an emotional core, a relationship between S-M and Doc Ock that works on all levels -- and a fantastic ending where the characters reveal their true natures. All the Ultimate Spidey crap with Oscorp and his destiny just didn't work. Face it. You asswipes liked the fights and Emma Stone's face more. I get it. But don't delude yourself. A "great film?' Just Ghost Rider 2 with a different suit.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST
The Amazing Spider-Man sucked balls. I will never watch a sequel to this Twilight clone. Which sucks cause I'm a huge Spiderman fan.
by Mr. Moe
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST
waltkovacs, the only plants here are the ones you're smoking.
by adeceasedfan
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Nov. 15, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST
it is pretty funny no one has anything to say about Transformers.
by darthSaul666
More Bay. More of the same. Nuff said
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I don't really care what they do in the sequels. They pretty much fucked up so bad they can't really do any worse(they probably can). Those on here saying it's a "classic" must be in high school or are trying to be ironic. Because no one and I mean no one with taste likes that movie. It was fucking terrible. Character choices didn't make any sense.
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I have not only read the Ditko Spider-Mans, I was buying them when they came out. So I know what I am talking about.
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i couldnt give a toss for any more bay transformers movies. the first had its charms but the other two i will never see again. as for spiderman, while i have never been a fan of the character, i think the movies have been highly overrated in general. campy approach, bad actors, horrible cg, shit villains etc. while i liked ramon estevez and denis leary in the new version, and its was good to get c thomas howell back in a big movie, i thought it was worse than the others and thats saying something. garfield was better than tobey macguire acting wise, but physically he was even less believable than tobey. can we have no more emo high school bs. and no more professors turning into power rangers or crap computer animation. lastly but most importantly, correct if i am wrong, the name is spiderMAN not boy. when are gonna have a real man play the character. camerons choice of tom cruise in the 90s is 100 times better, while cruise is a tiny midget at least hes more of a man than these two idiots
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It was better if you had a lobotomy. To anyone who's brains are intact it was a fucking shit-tastic homage to shitty super hero movies. Made both the Fantastic Four movies look good.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 8:18 p.m. CST
ASM: And where do you get your idea for a superhero outfit? ICE-SKATERS??? Seriously???
by garagons
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Nov. 15, 2012, 8:25 p.m. CST
And the most CRUCIAL part of Spidey; "with great power.." gets cheapened and the scene
by garagons
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Nov. 15, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST
Eye rolls and grunts!! Why don't they also changed Bruce Wayne's parents death as a car crash instead. Or Superman isn't a an alien anymore.
by garagons
Thanks for fucking up an ICONIC moment
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...great post. Nailed it.
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Sure, it was a little too soon...and before I saw it I railed against the dark and edgy and the skater-punk Peter and the basketball costume. But my love of Spider-man the character transcended all that. Sure, I fast-forwarded thru Dr Connors talking with some Indian guy and anything to do with Peter's parents...but I was sold on all the othert things that make Spidey Spidey. I was expecting stiff rubber basketball texture like Raimi's Spidey costume. In this one, his costume looks wrinkly and imperfect and paper-thin. Some shots, his mask doesn't quite line up, you can see the zipper in the back, and I LOVE that. THAT's a high school kid's costume. Cannibalizing a pair of sunglasses for the eyepieces. A wristwatch into his webshooters...and spinning a huge web to snare the lizard, and then waiting in the center of it, bored, playing a game on his phone. Cracking corny jokes. Pent-up nerd anger but still remaining a good guy. I didn't miss J. Jonah. I liked Martin Sheen and Sally Field. I liked that he didn't catch his personal Joe Chill at the end. I liked that while offscreen I'm kinda tired of her, but watching ASM I fell for Emma Stone AGAIN. LOVED Denis Leary. Whatever else that might not have worked was overshadowed by the good. I wish I was a studio plant, I'd probably be earning more money. Even if they don't do as I wish and cast Ashley Greene as MJ, my ass will still be there for ASM2.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 11:37 p.m. CST
hapapapa, you're saying if I fastforward through large chunks of the film I'll like it? Thanks, I'll try that!
by American Mythos
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Nov. 15, 2012, 11:42 p.m. CST
"what..makes this trilogy any different than Raimi's?" What!?
by Chishu Ryu
I mean hardly anything this Billy Kidd guy wrote concerning ASM makes any sense. Of course anything these new movies do will draw comparisons with the Raimi flicks because, they're like, I donno, both about Spiderman? And how was Green Goblin covered in depth over three movies when Green Goblin was killed in the first movie? And so what if the new movies bring in a new Norman Osborn. Did folks complain when Nolan brought in a new Joker? The Green Goblin is arguably SPidey's greatest villain. He has to be part of Spiderman's story. Yeah, and the reason why the new movies are tracking the same characters as the old (which they're really not), they have to because, it's like, I donno, Spiderman? What, are they supposed to do, come up with new characters that weren't in the comics? What , are they not supposed to include Uncle Ben, Aunt May, and, like, Peter Parker? And on that note, I don't really remember a Lizard or a real Gwen Stacy (or a real Captain Stacy for that matter) in the Sam Raimi movies. I do, though, remember a Mary Jane Watson played by Kirsten Dunst that only resembled the real MJ's hairdo. I donno dude, but you're bit on ASM seems seems not only repetitive but lazy and lacking of any type of imagination.
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Nov. 15, 2012, 11:57 p.m. CST
Sorry, but ASM kinda got the core of Peter Parker and Spider-Man
by Chishu Ryu
When Stan Lee created Peter Parker, misunderstood lonesome teenagers were all the rage in movies like James Dean in Rebel Without a Cause, or Steve McQueen in The Blob. Peter Parker, the lonely orphaned teenager was clearly cut from these classic movie characters. At his core, Peter Parker represents the lonely misplaced youth within all of us, suddenly given the chance at a new life when given these amazing new super powers. Both Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield's Peter Parkers captured this essence of the character. Only Maguire's Parker was much more dorky and awkward than the original, and Garfield's a little cooler and angrier. But both Parkers are still lonely misplaced youths with the heart of a hero. So to say that ASM flubbed the core of Peter Parker, and thus Spiderman, is wrong.
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and this is coming from a fan of sam raimi's trilogy. The AMS got alot of things right. like the romance between gwen and peter. the science tech stuff. the spiderman banter especially the car thief scene. fucking hilarious, that's how spiderman supposed to be they got him in essense. They got the webslinging down... I think they greatly adhered to the comics very close. Gwen came first then MJ...
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Nov. 16, 2012, 12:39 a.m. CST
Sure, ASM's plot wasn't tightly woven, but it brought the true Spiderman characters to life like never before
by Chishu Ryu
And I'm comparing it to Sam Raimi's movies. Raimi is first and foremost a fantasy action movie director. Real people aren't exactly his forte. And yes, while Stan Lee's Spidey stories were definitely amazing fantasy action, he also did something really unique for comics then, he created real human stories in the Spidey books, particularly during the Romita years. They strove for and captured a realism lacking in other superhero comics of the time, and it all stemmed from the dramatic focus on Peter Parker's private life and relationships. It only makes sense that a movie version of these classic Spiderman stories not only continue Peter Parker's very human drama, but realize it even more so with live actors and real locations. While Raimi's films brought the stories to life, Raimi's own limitations as a filmmaker disinterested with real complex human drama only allowed Maguire's Peter Parker and Aunt May and Mary Jane to exist beyond a kind of two dimensional portrayal. In other words, the movie characters were composed in broad strokes to allow Raimi's penchant for amazing fantasy to have a larger reign. Marc Webb clearly has a bigger interest in complex human drama and relationships than Sam Raimi does, and it shows in Webb's version of Spiderman. The subtle relationships between Peter and his Aunt and Uncle, and Gwen, and Captain Stacy, clearly are the star of the show here, as it should be. The characters in Webb's film are portrayed on a more three dimensional plane, not only cinematically, but dramatically. As in life, and as in Stan Lee's best Spiderman stories, the small moments between the characters are everything. I think Stan Lee must have been proud to see Webb's take on these classic characters. For me, they were brought to life like never before, and I'm eagerly looking forward to Webb's take on Mary Jane and Harry in the sequel.
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A gripe of mine... Missed the core huge.. Gone was the moral irony!!! Kinda a contrived difference only to fool you into thinking you are watching a different movie... Try again!!
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I thought that short scene was one of a few that was equally as bad as SM 3!!!
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Nov. 16, 2012, 2:28 a.m. CST
It was a small scene that ruined a lot of NU Spidey for me!!!
by darthSaul666
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Nov. 16, 2012, 2:29 a.m. CST
Don't worry I have more!!! I'd rather look forward to Avengers 2
by darthSaul666
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What the fuck is wrong with most of you? What part of Raimi's spider- 2 was so great, because I don't get it. It's literally the corniest, most heavy handed turd - complete rifftraxx fodder... I was sorry for seeing it the first time and wanted no second helping. All of you geeks raved about it, most of you still do and all I can do is shake my head. Seriously, get some taste. <p> In closing, whenever any of you bring up Spider_man 2, your argument becomes invalid.
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Which I think they're gonna do!
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Let's face it, 'Chronicle' was the best Super-Hero movie this year, in fact the best since 'Super'. I don't know one person who's seen the film that hasn't marked out DeHaan for stardom on the strength of that performance. Just resurrect the nasty bastard for a sequel!
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Nov. 16, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST
ASM action happened at night or in sewers. TDKR the entire finale was in daylight (which confuses me about when that batsymbol is supposed to be lit up)
by Autodidact
I hated ASM and TDKR they both suck arse.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST
.. and then I think about Andrew Garfield's acting... neither Maguire nor Garfield seems very Peter to me but at least Maguire wasn't a mumbling jackass
by Autodidact
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Your opinion is invalid. In summation, fuck off, dickhead.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST
Just when I think Billy the infamous has a point he goes and..
by ShakaLaka Lambo
Yeah here I am thinking "hey Billy is right, there were way to many humans and not enough Transformers in the first three Transformers flicks" , he goes and reminds me why he's the biggest hack of a "critic" on this site (and that's saying ALOT). ASM was hands down, without a doubt SUPERIOR to all three of the Raimi Spidey's put together. I love me some Evil Dead, and I'll probably check out OZ The Great and Powerful from my local library (no way in hell i'm paying to see it). But with the exception of Spider-Man 2, Raimi's spidey's sucked. Don't get me wrong here I was stoked about Spider-Man 1, mostly because I never thought I would ever get to see a live action Spider-Man movie with all of the legal bullshit that was going on for all those years. I even tried to convince myself that Mary Jane living next door and the Mighty Morphin Power Gobby were ok.. THEY WEREN'T! We were shown by Marc Webb what a REAL Spider-Man movie could be with Amazing. 1. Andrew Garfield's Peter Parker was a realistic and modern take on the character. Did he have a pocket protector? No he didn't, but then again this is the 21st century, so unless you want a Spider-Man movie set in the 1960's then he won't have one now will he? Since when is riding a skateboard "emo"? I guess Marty McFly was "emo" too huh? Dumbasses. 2. Gwen Stacy. Emma Stone...the ponytail! The Boots!! The little twirl she does in the hall way ...NUFF SAID! 3. The Lizard/Curt Conners. Man the lizard looked and moved great. Did he look like an alligator ala the McFarlane lizard? No, but that's ok cause the facial transformation (ie the bones shifting inside his skin) worked for the movie version. To pull off the McFarlane version the bones would have had to grow, break, grow some more...it just would have made the suspension of disbelief even more difficult. 4. Spidey's suit and Web Shooters. I swear there is NO pleasing some of you idiots (Flashback to Talkbacks prior to the release of Spider-Man 1..." ORGANIC WEBSHOOTERS?!!?? NOOOOOOO!"). I guess you guys forgot about that huh? The suit looked GREAT and I loved the fact you could see the zipper (in the car thief scene) especially since the suit is made by a high school student at HOME, and the web fluid coming from OsCorp explains how a high school student (2nd in his class) came up with a chemical web fluid that 3M couldn't. 5. Aunt May. While I didn't have any complaints about Aunt May in the Raimi Trilogy ...well except for "those Terrible yellow EYES!" I LOVE Sally Field as Aunt May. "I CAN'T SLEEP!" "Secrets have a cost Peter, They're not free..not now...not ever" PURE GREATNESS. 6. Uncle Ben. Sure Martin Sheen didn't say the "with Great Power" line but we got the idea didn't we? which leads me to .. 7. Capt. Stacy, While I'm sooo tired of Denis and his Ford Truck commercials, I loved how he dressed Peter down at dinner...that tied in with Uncle Ben's death really teaches Peter the lesson of great Power and Shame on Marc Webb for thinking that his audience was smart enough to figure out what he was implying !! (sarcasm there for you idiots that don't know it when you read it). It's morons like you guys bitching about Uncle Ben NOT saying the great power line that are getting these dumbed down flix hoisted upon us. Damn you. 8. Spidey's wise ass comments. NUFF SAID 9. The action easily topped the first 3. EASILY. I could go on and on but to be honest I've got shit to do....wait...I"m a musician so I don't have shit to do at 11:17 in the am..I think I'll watch the best Spider-Man movie ever made...THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN ...PEACE
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While I agree with the Kid about the sub-par nature of the amazing spidy, I also liked it. I guess I went in knowing it sucked and that helped. In ways I'd say it's the truest film to date. As for Goblin returning. Of course, Gwen has to die and who did it? To not expect it is naive I think, And I'd hope we get a cool Goblin that looks like the Goblin and not a dude in armor, even though Willam Defoe was PERFECT! I'm crossing my fingers about the sequel.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST
Lizard and Capt. Stacey in the Raimi films? Did you miss them?
by Darth Macchio
Curt Conners played by Dylan Baker (though he never did turn into the lizard of course - I still think this is the biggest middle finger since Billy Dee got shafted in the Burton/Schumacher Batman flicks). And Captain Stacey was played by James Cromwell. One thing I think we can probably all agree upon: Emma Stone is a far superior Gwen Stacey to Bryce Dallas Howard's version (I've never felt Howard is remotely attractive - she's a great actor but not attractive at all..I know its shallow and subjective..sorry). Emma is beautiful, also a great actor, and fits the role as I know it (which, admittedly, is rather limited).
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Nov. 16, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST
Raimi's Spiderman movies (well 1 and 2) also feel more timeless vs. the Twilight-ish emo moodiness feel of ASM
by kidicarus
Well except for Macy Gray. That shit was awful.
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Nov. 16, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST
And Peter Parker as nerdy, science-boy getting picked on makes much more sense than a moody, douchebaggy guy with a rebel streak
by kidicarus
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Sure it's not exact... But how about those parents eh? Look it's not that the line is missing the bothers me... It's Spidey not catching Ben's killer and being hit with the irony that really bothers me. That Spider-Vigilante bit was really annoying and Twilighty IMO
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Nov. 16, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST
will someone explain to me what exactly is Twilighty about Spider-Man?
by ShakaLaka Lambo
I haven't a clue cause I don't watch that pre teen girly bullshit. Which apparently all of you haters do. If you have ever read a Spidey comic in your life (and I ain't talkin about the "Ultimate" line, though in all fairness they ain't half bad), then you would know that Webb's film is more accurate in damn near every way. It's also much more enjoyable. Look you tweens wouldn't know a great comic movie if you saw one anyway, case in point, look at the way you dipshits rave about X-Men First Crap. It's useless to have a battle of wits with a bunch of unarmed pre teens. Oh, and the sequel should be named Spectacular Spider-Man followed by Web of..
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I've only been able to stand about 20 mins of one flick when I tried watching it with the step kids.. Had to leave the room before the I saw red.. I don't get where ASM appolgists think ASM is more accurate.. Prior to seeing the new one I got a copy of Essential Amazing Spider-Man Vol. 1 & The Spider-Man vault.. I thought ASM was less accurate to the source.. Sure both Raimi and ASM versions have changes from the canon. I don't think the changes in ASM would have bugged me so much if it wasn't tauted so much that this would be the more accurate one.. 1 good example that I can make.. The origin itself in ASM is such a shit storm of abbitrary changes the moniker of accurate shouldn't even come up.. Like I say it's not the changes themselves.. It's the force fed notion that I'm supposed to believe it's accurate..
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Nov. 17, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST
The first few years of the Lee/Ditko era were essentially a Spidey Soap Opera
by sunwukong86
People bitching about Peter being emo, go read Stan Lee's original run.
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