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Want To Read The Pre-Lindelof PROMETHEUS Screenplay Titled ALIEN: ENGINEERS??

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While “Lost” co-creator Damon Lindelof is the more famous of the two screenwriters credited with writing “Prometheus,” it was actually a fellow named Jon Spaihts (“The Darkest Hour”) who wrote the initial drafts, his name ultimately in “first position” in the writing credits.

Spaiht’s draft was titled “Alien: Engineers.” It’s online now. Spaihts confirms via twitter it’s legit.

Having given the script a quick read, I more than ever perceive Ridley Scott’s assertion -- that the project stopped being an “Alien” prequel when Lindelof came aboard -- as a preposterous bit of public relations.

There are differences, but in my view “Alien: Engineers” is not different enough from “Prometheus” to support that assertion. I never got how anyone could  claim that the "Alien Vs. Predator" movies are "Alien" prequels but "Prometheus" is not.

Some comparisons and contrasts:

* The bulk of the movie takes place on LV-426 -- the same planet the Nostromo from "Alien" visited.

* Spaihts’ Engineers are described as 15 feet tall. It takes two humans to lift a massive Engineer head.

* Noomi Rapace’s role is named Jocelyn Watts instead of Elizabeth Shaw. Charlie Holloway is named Martin Holloway in this draft.

* David the android introduces Noomi and Holloway to the living Peter Weyland on a space station in Earth’s orbit. There is no holographic Weyland near the start of the movie.

* The name of the ship is Magellan, not Prometheus.

* The business with David shooting basketball on a bicycle is absent. Ditto David dying his hair and watching "Lawrence of Arabia."

* The scene where the crewmen greet the alien cobra like a lost puppy is absent.

* The big storm is in this draft, but no flamethrower.

* A chestburster kills Holloway in its escape from his torso.

* Halfway through the movie, we learn a Weyland security force has been hidden on the Magellen the whole time.

* Weyland himself is not inexplicably hidden aboard the Magellen.

* Noomi’s crucifix is not in this draft.

* If the Charlize Theron character randomly bones the Idris Elba character, I didn't notice that either.

* There’s a deadly, acid-filled giant centipede. And an “octopoid” facehugger different from the one with which we’re familiar. It turns out these Engineers carried at least seven kinds of weaponized species.

* Noomi becomes impregnated with an alien when an angry David places a facehugger on her. There’s still a big medical pod C-section scene.

* I didn’t notice anything about Holloway inspecting a tiny alien lodged in his eyeball.

* The alien craft still rolls toward Noomi on its edge.

* There's less of an Engineer rampage near the end.

* The movie ends with David and Noomi playing chess as beacons signal their masters.  David and Noomi do not use an Engineer ship to escape the planet.

There’s a lot more. Find the whole "Alien: Engineers" script  here.


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  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Just finished it, and...

    by Sir Loin

    ...we got robbed. Sorry, Ridley, Lindelof blew it.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST

    I still haven't seen this movie!

    by grassh0pperunit

    I'm blowing it.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Filmed version is better

    by thefreshestthing

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST

    So it seems nearly every stupid moment was a Lindelof addition

    by -Halfscan-


  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST


    by Sandy

    ...would be about 15 feet tall anyway since they're the "Space Jockey" species that's so large sitting in the chair in Alien. The ones in Prometheus were a bit small. It wouldn't have been that hard to make them appear larger. Weta did a nice job on Dwarves, Hobbits and the like in LOTR and The Hobbit. Love the idea of several different weaponized species. Definitely need to read this when I get a little more free time.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Most disappointing film of the year

    by Logan_1973

    I'll have to give that script a read, but from that synopsis (thank you so much) it does sound like we got robbed. Lindelof needs to be flogged.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Yeah, this is a terrible script

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    The core story is just inherently uninteresting and predictable, a join-the-dots prequel with no mystery or surprising revelations to the Engineer race that fans haven't already been theorizing for the last thirty years anyway. This is basically the same story as the final film, except with substitutions. All the problems with Prometheus are still in effect in the Spaiht's draft, including the stupid character behaviour. The idiot biologist actually picks up a giant centipede and plays with it in this one, instead of just petting it, which makes his actions even more ridiculous, if that were actually possible. Lindelof is a bad writer, but he actually added some (minimal) touch ups to this stinker in terms of characterization.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6:47 p.m. CST

    This movie never had a chance.

    by Randy

    Despite how visually stunning it was how decent the acting was overall, the film would never overcome such poor writing. The best thing to do would have been to start from scratch, hire someone truly talented to write the script and make a better film. As it stands out, Prometheus is the most disappointing film of 2012, and another example of why scifi is a hard genre to crack. Scott's next film is written by Cormac McCarthy, and now that should be interesting.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Wow, fuck Lindelof!

    by Judge Briggs

    This pre-Lindelof script is much MUCH better sounding! Keep Lindelo FUCKING AWAY FROM THE NEW STAR WARS MOVIES! Oh and fuck you for the Lost ending Lindelof ... I am still pissed. Damon, meet Mr. Brett Ratner ... you two will get along quite well.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Thank you, Herc

    by Green

    I think it's always instructive to see how screenplays get changed from writer to writer. Just look at the earlier O'Bannon drafts of ALIEN as opposed to the later ones by Giler and Hill (who received no credit).

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    More Prometheus talk. Yay! Keep it up haters.

    by adeceasedfan

    Movie kicked ass. 2nd favorite movie this summer. I started reading the script. I will need more free time as well.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7 p.m. CST

    Having read about a third of it...

    by AlienFanatic

    I like some of the things that got dropped from the feature film. • There was a MUCH better backstory about how the Engineers "seeded" the planet, as well as how they became "gods" to our ancestors. • Much better explanation of how they located Zeta II Reticuli • Action takes place on LV-426, not the "other" location in Prometheus. One thing that is very notable, and as others on IMDB (where I first saw the link) have said, is that it's very, very, very clear that Ridley Scott made some incredibly questionable decisions about the cut. So much important explanation was dropped to shave minutes from the film. I think that had Prometheus received a cut with an extra 30 minutes of film, the final movie would still have been less than perfect but the audience would have left more satisfied than they did. Gonna keep reading, but I like parts, while I can see why much of the exposition and some of the early scenes were lost. The only thing I can say, without having read Lindelof's draft, is that the angle with Weyland in Prometheus was stupid and unnecessary, even if the rest of Lindelof's draft was good. It was one of those Scooby Doo moments that was beyond unnecessary. The Spaihts draft specified that the round trip was a total of five years and that Weyland was not in any ill health. Weyland's primary interest was terraforming (which ties in nicely to Weyland-Yutani's motto "building better worlds" from the Alien saga). It was silly, lame, and melodramatic for no real purpose. Ah well, continuing to read...

  • David is clearly the bad guy in this draft, and there's white alien and classic alien running around. the medlab scene is kind of the same except it's an alien. No killer engineer at the end. making the flick set on LV-426 actually creates more problems than the LV-422 that Prometheus came up with. Like the movie better, it had more kick to it. But it's basically the same thing. Although "CUT IT OFF" is different in the movie. Aliens that kinda look like the person are neat ideas but we saw that in the movie with zombie Farfield & Holloway. Still missing the bit where David infects Holloway which I thought was one of the neater bits in the movie. Not a terrible draft, just kind of a wimpy, by-the-numbers one.

  • When they first said they were making a new science fiction film with some of "Alien's DNA", I thought they meant they were making something with the general vibe and feeling of the first Alien movie, and not actually related to it in any way at all.

  • So many of the little things in Prometheus piss me off because so little credit is given to the guys that had the ideas thirty years ago. Ron Cobb's spacious cockpit. Alan Dean Foster's dream recording/viewing. Giger's egg silo. Giger's alien life cycle mural. All of that crap was developed for the original film, went unused, and then Ridley has the balls to claim much of it as his own.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST

    "hey little guy!"...

    by DylanYousonofa

    (reaches out to pet hissing alien cobra) HACK!

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:05 p.m. CST

    The Darkest Hour was excellent and it got no play at all on AICN.

    by Smerdyakov

    Probably because it wasn't directed by one of AICN's darlings. Favreau, Whedon or Abrams.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Better than Lindelof - but not by much

    by MustGoFaster

    It's now clear Prometheus was d.o.a. Lindelof was given a turd of a script to polish, he predictably failed and made it worse. If Scott had filmed Spaight's draft, the final product wouldn't have been so fucking asinine, but he would still have been criticized for it being predictable and dull. He would have had another big flop. At least with the pseudo-intellectual bullshit Lindelof added, it created the illusion of being a smart movie and became a hit.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Darkest Hour was complete "20-sumtins" bullshit.

    by Pixelsmack

    Terrible, just terrible. Would make a great double-feature with SKYLINE though. Haaaaa...

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:08 p.m. CST

    If Lindelof goes anywhere near Star Wars

    by DiscreetFighterAlpha

    I will spontaneously combust and take out five city blocks. My rage will burn THAT hard.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Read it...

    by HughHoyland

    I'm kinda torn on this one. I loved the movie, but this first draft isn't bad at all and would have made a great movie to IMO. To bad they couldn't film both versions. But honestly they aren't all that far apart. :]

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Ugh, why do I still hate the whole Fifield sequence?

    by AlienFanatic

    When the whole "Engineer Hologram" sequence occurs, I still can't suspend disbelief enough to let it pass. These are guys USED to working in outer space. Fifield is just so crudely-drawn I have a hard time letting go. Everything feels like a setup designed to put the players into peril by making them do stupid things. It's the worst kind of horror movie cliché that you'd think the writers could have been more aware of. I'd still love to have seen Lindelof/Spaights cut the cast list in half and focus more on making realistic, human characters + David. Had someone told them to go lean, they wouldn't have had to create all these preposterous ideas to make it work. Fifield really is Spaights' failing, not Lindelofs. Just a character that never needed to exist.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST

    God, lay off Lindelof and Star Wars. It's in Arndt's court right now.

    by AlienFanatic

    I highly doubt they'd have Lindelof rewrite him. Lindelof's "Lost" approach to screen writing really doesn't fit the Star Wars series. If they bring in a doctor, I'd expect it to be someone that could punch up the action scenes, which don't appear to be Arndt's forté. (Still holding out for a Darabont pass on Arndt's final draft :)

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Has Anyone Read Damon's Script?

    by Raskolnikov_was_framed

    What he wrote and what appeared in the film are not the same thing....the small amount of deleted scenes we've seen shows that Damon had a lot more on paper than got to the screen...Damon's draft is apparently 50 pages longer than Spaiht' until we see Damon's full draft we can't compare...I still think that Prometheus was hurt in the minds of some more so because of editing choices than a bad script...the arbitrary need to get it down to 2 hours would have butchered any script

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Like many films, this is not as hyperbolically bad as geeks say...

    by WeylandYutani

    But not as good as it should use been considering the talent, material and money available. I think where the problem lay is that they went half assed: it either should have been a stand alone SF film by Scott or fully in the Alienverse. An example of what I mean is that the planet was originally LV426, but was changed in the late scripting stage. Umm, so now there are two crashed Space Jockey ships? I guess so, but that is confusing to people who are casual fans of the series, or who may have seen the original ALIEN once many years ago. Choices like that put off fans and non fans. It was a good film and technically wonderful. But it needed further rewrites to work out the bits where people scratched their collective heads and said "ermmm... come again!?" Lets hope if they make a sequel an effort will be made to streamline the story.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Lindelof's the man!

    by Chad

    He's been involved in so many wonderful, successful, influential projects. I'm so glad he had the opportunity to do this film and make it so much better. Kudos, Damon. Keep up the good work. (And if anyone involved with Star Wars has half a brain, listen to Damon you must.)

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:20 p.m. CST

    They needed to tear up this whole story and start again

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    It wouldn't matter who they brought in to polish it; it's just a crap story to begin with. Explorers go to LV-426, fumble about in a pyramid for an hour and a half while nothing really happens, then we occasionally cut back to the ship where an alien is running amok, just like in the first movie. Seen it all before. Except that that side story is not only repetitive, but so minimal and with characters we don't care about, that it cannot gain any traction whatsoever. Then the Jockey ship takes off and an alien bursts from the pilot's chest, and it crashes. Who didn't see that coming? Lindelof actually improved the characters in the final film. David is a one note villain in this draft. At least he was given some ambiguity in Lindelof's version, and some nice character touches with the Lawrence of Arabia thing. Vickers and Shaw/Watts are also one note here. At least Lindelof gave Shaw some shading when he added all the religious doubt/conflict crap.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Hey Jacob, you've got something on your nose.

    by AlienFanatic

  • facehuggers, chest bursters and xenomorphs were part of Spaihts original script in a big way...the commentary goes into details about this

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Saw "Prometheus" for the first time last Friday

    by Beebop

    I thought, going in, that there was no way it would be as disappointing as people had said, that people had way-too-high expectations for a Ridley Scott movie (because let's face it, Ridley Scott hasn't made a great movie in a long, long time). So, I went in with lowered expectations. And I STILL came away disappointed. It was a visually-striking movie with one of the most flat-out retarded scripts ever. Supposedly intelligent characters do unbelievably careless and stupid things. Idiotic things happen purely for the convenience of plot. It wasn't scary. Parts of it made no sense. In short, it was enormously disappointing and I cannot recommend enough that people who have not seen it AVOID IT.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST

    After Seeing the Film, I stopped caring...

    by D o o d

    Promethius is a boring and lame attempt considering the budget. Lot's of people did a lot of good work on that movie. Actors, camera men, props, make up, visual effects. The two that mattered, Writing and Directing, failed.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Prometheus rubbed me the wrong way...

    by tickled_by_elmo

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:37 p.m. CST

    @smerdyakov......vomit is better than diarrhea?

    by Pixelsmack

    Is that the point you are trying to make? Or is it the other way around? Oh wait... IT DOESN'T MATTER.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST

    They're making a MacGyver movie.

    by Gary Makin

    The bottom of the barrel has officially been scraped.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST

    So pixelsmak...what science ficton does please you?

    by Smerdyakov

    Or are you just trying to sound smart...and failing?

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:55 p.m. CST

    penned* or panini'd... mmm

    by SirGaryColeman

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Lindelof should never write anything ever again

    by georgecauldron


  • Nov. 12, 2012, 8 p.m. CST

    It's still pretty bad.

    by SunTzu77

    I read the script and it's still really rough. But, I agree - Lindelof should never write again.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 8:08 p.m. CST

    daaaaamn, David just up and puts the facehugger on Noomi's face???

    by TheSeeker7

    That's a pretty damn aggressive and abrasive act between two people, for then those same two people to be calmly playing a game of chess later on.<br> <br> And so, this "signal" that's sent out at the end, is it supposed to be the same one that Ripley's crew later picks up from afar?

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 8:11 p.m. CST

    It was Scott's decision to hire Lindelof and film his changes

    by Rtobert

    The buck stops with the director.

  • The stupid scientists in "Prometheus" weren't any better than the stupid scientists in AVP. So in the end, whoever that talkbacker was should feel vindicated. "Prometheus" was a VERY subpar script and I am disappointed Ridley went with it. But hey, he seems to like shitty scripts lately, considering "Robin Hood" and the endless crap drafts he kept requesting. Leads me to the "Stay away from Blade Runner" odyssey.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST

    12,000 B.C.???? Really???

    by obijuanmartinez

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST


    by DannoOMG

    For a writer that has such high praises, he sure penned in some stupid moments in the movie.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Gutt karg arrrgghh!!!

    by CodeName

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 9:06 p.m. CST


    by P. David

    Prometheus is either one of the most disappointing science fiction movies of all time, or the most fascinating monster movie ever made. Depends on your expectations. And by the way... the way that the Alien mythology was treated was MUCH more intriguing than if the film had been a straight-on prequel. Scott did something different and interesting with the franchise, and deserves credit.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 9:18 p.m. CST

    @pdb I disagree that the treatment made any difference

    by AlienFanatic

    I'm sorry, but the Engineers seem a poor concept, especially in light of the fact that the original Space Jockey as conceived was entirely alien. It wasn't meant to be a big old human in a space suit, but that's how Ridley retconned it. I think the principle would have been far better, assuming the Jockey needed to have been explored at all, if it had remained totally alien and enigmatic. We didn't need the dime store exposition about the Engineers as humanity's progenitors. We didn't need the Weyland "gotcha" moment. Looking in the rearview mirror, I wish they'd explained how W-Y had learned of the Derelict in the first place. I'd love to have seen a prior team discover more about the Jockey, go off to find one, and then tell the tale of how they were doomed. I don't need all the pseudo-religious mysticism. I've seen that story plenty of times on TV, where convoluted exposition is welcome. I'm so tired of folks acting as though the conceit behind Prometheus was original when in fact it's a story that's been told many times before.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Utter nonsense

    by J.B.M.A.

    It has nothing to do with expectations, unless those expectations are expecting a decent, well written and constructed film from an industry legend. There is no universe where Prometheus is "the most fascinating monster movie ever made". It's shoddily scripted drivel from a director who has - sadly - lost the plot.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST

    I would normally avoid any of these discussions...

    by MovieManStill

    Just saw the film on DVD. Nice effects. Stupid dialogue. People doing idiotic things. Link to original film is obvious, regardless of Scott's silly comments otherwise. Question...why are the Creators human size here, but monstrous in "Alien"? And, yes, sorry but.....just run sideways, bitch.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 9:44 p.m. CST


    by D o o d

    Well Said. I can't believe people still think there's something interesting in this movie. There was just way too many stupid moments for me to care.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 9:46 p.m. CST

    This movie was horrendous

    by Jeff

    It's probably the worst movie since "Stop or My Mom Will Shoot". Harry needs to call up Stallone and get his thoughts for comparison sake. This movie should be erased from history, Soviet-style. Just forcibly round up every known copy and destroy it and then threaten imprisonment to anyone who dares to mention it's existence. Within a generation or two no one will even remember it exists... Actually....we could skip all that and no one will even remember it exists because it sucked so bad that it will grow to be irrelevant in the same way that Dan Akroyd's "Nothing But Trouble" is irrelevant today.

  • They erased all traces of Giger's bizarreness in the thing, instead opting to make the Jockey a slightly-taller-than-average, albino Vin Diesel in a goth-fetish space suit. The Jockeys should have resembled Treebeard by way of HP Lovecraft - giant, towering monstrosities that would have freaked out the audience, who would have walked with a shambling, triple-jointed-gait and where the mechanical and biological aspects of the being were inseparable. And just look how they depicted the ship itself - it's no different than a human spaceship, except for its bio-mechanical stylings. It even flies like a human ship. One of the most unsettling things in the original was that it looked like a giant bone, or human organ. You couldn't even perceive how such a thing made sense, or would fly. The ship should have been like living tissue, with throbbing 'veins', a 'living' ship, that should have flown vertically or rotating like a pulsing heart or a gyroscope, something strange like that, unfathomable to human logic. All the Giger-influenced psycho-sexual weirdness of Alien was lost. The only element that even approached that far-out aesthetic was the ship's navigation system being controlled via six boiled eggs and a piccolo!

  • because the budget was projected at 250 mill. So it was studio head Tom Rothman, who sent the script to Lindelof one weekend to see what he could come up with to get the budget down to the 150 mill mark. Lindelof came up with the ideas of not being a Alien tie in directly and his ideas pushed the budget down and Lindelof was forced on Scott. Scott originally did not want to direct and was going to have his son in law direct and just produce. But Rothman wanted Fox and made promises to Scott which he later renegged on. Scott is just too old to fight anymore

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Of course the script has problems

    by P. David

    Between Scott and Lindelof, Scott is the genius of the two, and should have known better. The script's problems are his fault. But there is nothing wrong with his direction, and visually, the film is stunning. The vitriol against this movie is disproportionate. I found it to be nightmarish in the extreme.

  • and told him if he did not do AVP, then Cameron would write and Scott would direct Alien 5. They told Rothman that the AVP idea would mess up their timeline. But Rothman kept pushing AVP and when Freddie VS Jason came out and took that weeekend big, he greenlit AVP and Cameron said adios, with Scott soon doing the same thing.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Rothman is gone as of jan 2012 and so is Lindelof

    by kabookieslap

    The guy replacing him was for this draft. So expect big changes in the sequel

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST

    The engineer being a tall bald white man is just stupid.

    by lord Baul

    Way to water down and chlorinate such a great concept. Read the script, it is awful in it's own right. But Lindelof didn't help it at all. A hack job, done by hack writers and a director that should've retired at least a decade ago. Such a waste of everything.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Re: kabookieslap

    by SK229

    How do you know all this? The Rothman/Lindelof stuff, I mean. I've heard the Cameron/Scott story, but some of this other stuff... are you speculating, did you read this somewhere, or are you close to the parties involved?

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST

    the chess ending works way better than the 'android head in a basket'

    by Raptor Jesus

    Seriously, I could have written a better script than this 30 years ago.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Stupid is as Prometheus does.

    by Queefer Sutherland

    It's stupid. Admit it. There's no argument here. Saying it isn't stupid just means that YOU are stupid.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Maybe my nostalgia for John Candy and Dan Aykroyd

    by thewirebitches

    But Nothing But Trouble is kinda awesome In a fucked up way. I think people hating this film completely are just holding a grudge. Yes the plot was sloppy,character motivation at some points a head scratcher, and an insufficient unimaginative explanation for the engineers, which I think the trailers did no favor in giving you every major plot point, yea it's all that. It's also fucking jaw dropping amazing looking. And despite its obvious problems Ridley still does a damn good job in masking those initial mistakes. Fassbender and Rapace should get a lot of the credit for making this work, also liked the smaller roles of Elba and Theron but still didn't get a strong feel for them, you knew their roles from the beginning and how they serve the plot. Quite a attractive looking cast , going against the grain of the original but ok new generation to market to can be forgiving with a cast this good. The scenes that worked worked well, delivering a truly squirm in your seat moment during the abortion scene. God damn that was crazy, and what I expected feeling going in to this film. The first creature attack in the temple is great too, but completely illogical for a skittish biologist to want to "play" with this new alien life form, shit he is from the future, surely he has seen this movie before, which will be made many times over by then. Just doesn't make sense and pulls you out of the moment. But people saying it was complete shit calmdown. Still more interesting than most of the stuff that comes out.

  • Yes, unfortunately, I do hold a grudge... In some aspects, I'm more lenient on films that try to shoot for something different and fail, than big films that shoot low and still fail! It was the same with Peter Jackson's King Kong; I felt moved for Kong at some point, but I also felt manipulated in a lowly, cheating way, so I developed a severe dislike of that movie, even though it wasn't that bad.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST

    the_turd.. good observations

    by Autodidact

    About the shortcomings in the design of the engineers and the mundane treatment of the previously mystifying ship.

  • Look, all the species on Earth are in some ways similar, and yet there is such a variety... I have no doubt that in the vastness of space there are humaniods who would be closely similar to us, but it just seems lazy in this day and age. It's ironic that aged Alien is far more imaginative than Prometheius.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 10:59 p.m. CST

    six boiled eggs and a piccolo!

    by T


  • Nov. 12, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST


    by NoQuarter

    I just saw this movie for the first time about a month ago. I had lowered my expectations quite a bit after hearing so many negative things about it. Those lowered expectations...not met. Yes, the movie looks absolutely gorgeous, no doubt about it, but the entire story is just fucking stupid, unoriginal and really not engaging. That movie did not need to be made.

  • You mean to tell me there is ANOTHER moon that just so happens to also have a crashed Engineer ship, carrying a big cargo of eggs, oh wait no, space goo? It's so fucking dumb that they just slightly turned the story to this random story instead of just telling a different story completely. Like they were playing mad libs when they were reading through the original. <p> I think David was much better in the final draft though. Certainly still a bit of contempt for humans, but not nearly as over the top villainy.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 11:29 p.m. CST

    The C-section scene is gross.

    by F-18

    I'm not usually one to get squeamish, but that did it.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Hmm difficult

    by KGersen

    Read the script: I like the - intro especially idea that alien DNA specifically infected humans, - the meeting with Weyland and Vickers, the portrayal of Weyland and removal of hidden Weyland and the removal of Vickers as his daughter, - the more believable discovery of the Engineers facilities, - the lack of idiots taking off helmets on alien planets, - the more sensible surprise element of having hidden team of soldiers on board and the more blatant grave-robbing idea as Weyland's guys go after the alien tech, - the lack of magic dead alien head waking up, - the lack of David infecting people for not apparent reason, - the lack of Shaw and religious beliefs driving her and the lack of Holloway being a total dumbass - the way the Sleeper Engineer is shown, a total badass But some problems still there - still this need for the Engineers wanting to kill off humans. Also how convenient to find the moon where they were about to launch their mission to kill humanity. WTF would they advertise this on...err.. Earth - the even more evil android trope already seen in Alien - Too much Alien like monster rampage on ship, would feel like a poor pastiche of the original - Still a scientist who wants to fucking grab an alien centipede So I think this was a better script than what was filmed but I can see why they brought in someone to 'fix' it. But Lindelof just made it dumber. Only improvement was removing the alien on ship rampage stuff.

  • Attempting to explain away all the amazing wonderment of ALIEN is just unforgivable. I hope everyone involved with this movie (yes, craft services too) burns to death in a fucking fire.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 11:54 p.m. CST

    sk229 links to articles

    by kabookieslap

    Commercial director Carl Rinsch was somewhat described as the front runner to direct potentially one of most highly anticipated prequels possible, a prequel to Ridley Scott's 1979's Alien [coincidentally Rinch was dating Scotts Daughter.] Scott was attached with brother Tony, albeit as producers. But there was a problem, Fox was unhappy with the choice of director, so they refused to green light the project unless Ridley Scott himself took the reins, inevitably the director decided to take over from Rinsch in bringing "Alien Prequel" to the big screen. Newcomer Jon Spaihts, the new kid on the block of space thrillers was drafted in and work began. Flash forward twelve months to June 2010 where Scott stated during a Q&A that the story was being developed and produced but as two separate prequel films, and that the first project was being prepped. Then in October things stalled, there was reports of conflict between Scott and Fox over Budget and Rating. Scott wanted a $250 million budget along with an R rating, but 20th Century Fox was reluctant to invest so much money in a film that was not PG, despite having a huge global fan-base. Things eventually got rolling again, Damon Lindelof was brought in to hone and develop Spaihts script. Casting begun, Noomi Rapace was cast as the lead, shortly followed by Michael Fassbender, Charlize Theron, Idris Elbe, Sean Harris and Katie Dickie. During this period a lot of information emerged on the themes, elements and story construction but so did a lot of confusion as big changes were ahead.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 11:58 p.m. CST

    @ sk229

    by kabookieslap

    James Cameron - "Yeah. Ridley and I talked about doing another ALIEN film and I said to 20th Century Fox that I would develop a 5th ALIEN film. I started working on a story, I was working with another writer and Fox came back to me and said, "We've got this really good script for ALIEN VS PREDATOR and I got pretty upset. I said, "You do that you're going to kill the validity of the franchise in my mind." Because to me, that was FRANKENSTEIN MEETS WEREWOLF. It was Universal just taking their assets and starting to play them off against each other." A quote from Dark Horizons in 2003 gives the impression the film would have brought the series back to the original roots of Aliens. A hard-nosed action film with plenty of character development and a familiar face added to the cast. Cameron and Ridley were going to develop a new story with Sigourney back as Ripley and Arnold Schwarzenegger in a new supporting role along with a new lineup of interesting characters.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 12:06 a.m. CST

    @ sk229

    by kabookieslap

    This was Jon Spaihts original draft of Prometheus? Yes. And I thought it was really cool. It was not at all what I expected it to be. But obviously they were giving it to me for a reason. And this is one of those situations where you’re given no advance sense of what they like, what they don’t like, you just have to walk out on the plank and say, Here is my fundamental reaction to this thing. So when I finished it I went into my office and I wrote an email to Ridley and his producing partners. And this response was basically my job interview. I wrote maybe a four or five paragraph email saying here are all the things I love about it, I think there are some incredible set pieces here, I love the fundamental idea behind the movie, I feel like it’s a cool think piece. BUT I think it’s relying a bit too heavily on the Alien stuff that we’ve seen now five or six times in different movies. Chest-bursting and face-hugging and xenomorphs and I just feel that your idea is so strong and the characters can be made so strong that we don’t need any of that stuff. We can present iterations of that stuff in different ways. That isn’t to say that this isn’t a movie that should be set in that universe, but I look at it more like a story that is running parallel to the original Alien, so that if there was a sequel to this movie, it would not be Alien, it would be Prometheus 2. And then Prometheus 2 is parallel to Aliens. And here’s how we could do that. And so I sent off that email and I got into my bed. I didn’t sleep at all. And at 10 a.m. the next morning, my agent called me and said, ‘Whatever it is you did, they liked it. Can you go in and meet now?’

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 12:08 a.m. CST

    @ sk229

    by kabookieslap

    Can not find the article where lindelof talking sounded more like it was Rothman who sent the script to him, or was behind sending the script to him

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST

    *Sigh* Prometheus, how you betrayed me...

    by Rawhead Rexx

    Original script seems a bit better in terms of pacing, but the dialogue still comes across as stiff and Phantom Menace-ish. Both versions still fail to satisfy those looking for either more mystery or more horror. Seems like a mishmash that can't figure out what it wants to be. Hell, some of the old Dark Horse Aliens expanded universe comics had stronger convictions and ideas behind them. They should have mined some of that instead of wasting thousands of dollars on these fishwrappers. I can't believe I live in a world where a Judge Dredd remake stands as a testament to sci fi film making yet an alien prequel with the guy who invented it can't even execute a coherent story The end of days are surely upon us

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Both versions are underwhelming

    by Rawhead Rexx

    Dialogue is stiff in both but pacing is a bit better in the original version Still can't believe that we live in a world now where a Judge Dredd remake is amazing and an alien prequel with the original creator can't tell a coherent story. Prometheus reminds me of from Dusk til Dawn. First half is totally different tone and pacing than the second.

  • ... giving the USA a very bad reputation, as anything these four idiots write, tells the world Americans are stupid, illiterate and have no concept of logic and common sense. Compare their shitty work against those great Hollywood scriptwriters from the noir era of the 40s through to 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s and a lot of it was truely amazing work, films put America on the map during these periods, because the writing was so well crafted, with so much depth, subtlty and surprise, above all it was entertaining. Compare all that great work against these dummys and you know either their parents didn't put these hacks through the right schools and life skills, or America is just generally full of dummys. Good writing only comes from reading and if those who write neglect reading great works of literature from the classic masters, like most Americans unfortunately do, all in favour of watching television, films and playing video games, then the quality of films will also reflect this. Great writing will not materialise through visual influence, it never has, never does and it never will. And the four pricks along whom I have mentioned above, are testament to this. Nobody is expecting high-end, profound Steven Zallian, Puzo or razor sharp Mamet speak, but for fucks sake is it really that difficult to come up with an original, coherent idea that's darkly suspenseful, has a thrilling plot, subtlety, a few twists, great action, believable characters, etc, I mean, the foundation's already been laid by two great works - Alien & Aliens - Jesus fucking Christ how did they fuck-up Prometheus is totally beyond anyone, with a first class director and Fox as the heavyweight studio and the film was still a piece of crap?! How?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Original script sounds much better.

    by Volllllume3

    Why did Lindelof feel the need to add all this religious bullshit to it. Why is he such a fucking hack?

  • Looking forward to the sequel.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 1:18 a.m. CST

    I've no doubt it's still underwhelming.

    by ScaryJim

    Prometheus is probably one of the biggest cinematic letdowns I've been witness to, it tried to tread a horrible middle ground between hard sci fi and terribly dumb horror schlock which made me long for the crew of the Nostromo. I think if the crew had been as well written as them it probably would have felt a lot less shit- with that I mean none of ridiculous decisions made by the Prometheus lot- The whole Not prequel /Not LV426 thing is beyond ridiculous. Are we going to see the proper giant engineers in the sequel? The thing that gets me the most is there is no reason for it to have been a horror film, why did the engineers have to be evil ? It would have been more fitting for Weyland to have been the big bad guy with an ulterior motive and the crew to be stuck between Weyland and the mysterious Space jocks, which could have had a whole cool mythology beyond the lax thing we got treated to.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 1:21 a.m. CST

    This movie sucks...not worth any discussion

    by Rupee88


  • Tū dō cejwō oljoi oljāi olja daitis, bhrātēr?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 1:43 a.m. CST


    by KGersen

    Exactly, the whole evil Engineers thing, that they now want to kill humanity forces the story into a strange shape and distorts it. Just as an example: In the original script the explorers land on LV 426 to find the very Engineer's Juggernaut (cool name use there) which was about to be sent to Earth to kill off humans with bio-weapons. Makes no fucking sense that level of coincidence, especially as the Engineers also conveniently gave a star-map to future humans telling them where their bio-weapons facility was, because that's a good idea I guess. In the film, instead we still have Engineers, not on LV 426 this time, for some reason planning to destroy humans and the one alive Engineer really doesn't like humans, even going to the lengths of trying to hunt down and kill Shaw when there were a bunch of other mounds with presumably ships for him to carry out his mission on. And if we find out in the sequel the reason the Engineers want to kill of humans is because they murdered their last representative, Jesus Christ, I shall vomit! What a crock of shit attempt to create some 'cool' mythology.

  • Prometheus is stupid, huh? Not worthy of discussion, say some of you? Bullshit. You whine and moan about characters acting dumb - but lapped up the same shit in the Avengers. (Hulk smaaaaash, kill Black Widow! Oh, wait, now I'm friendly and take orders.) It wasn't the movie the vocal morons wanted - boo hoo. I'm sick and tired of the horseshit levelled at this - like Theron could have rolled out of the way - yet people never moan that RIPLEY WENT BACK FOR A FUCKING CAT. (And yes, I love Alien.) Get over yourselves.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 2:31 a.m. CST

    PROMETHEUS does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    PROMETHEUS really is one of the most beautiful and elegant sci fi films of all time in terms of visuals and happily sits alongside 2001, BLADE RUNNER, EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and ALIEN. I love films that transport me, with complete conviction to another place, another time, a different universe. And for me PROMETHEUS does that. Just like MASTER AND COMMANDER felt like a window to the Napoleonic era or EMPIRE STRIKES BACK made you believe the trenches of Hoth as a real location so too did PROMETHEUS. You see David walking through the spaceship... and it looks like a guy walking through a spaceship. It looked right. Solid, real, tangible looking movie with amazing sets and costumes and a sense of grounded believability that flicks like AVENGERS simply dont posses. Im still hoping that THE HOBBIT will overtake it but for me PROMETHEUS is currently film of 2012. Amazing and daring piece of work - never destined to be enjoyed by all as a mainstream work - but a treat for true fans of science fiction.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 2:40 a.m. CST


    by KGersen

    I'm a big fan of sci-fi and for me the film is visually great but in no way represents good sci-fi. Pretty damn average as a story, probably wouldn't get printed as a stand-alone novel.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 2:56 a.m. CST

    This draft read more like a horror story than the film

    by Lone Fox

    Shame that didn't really carry over to the version we got. Fun read, but too many beats echoing the original Alien. Turns out Prometheus actually dialled it back. For all its faults, and once I'd done several hours discussing the unexplained parts of the plot, I did enjoy Prometheus. Just wish they didn't add the Xenomorph right at the end. THIS script didn't rely on convenient passing-on of the DNA, though. People got killed rather than just hosting the creature so it could infect the next crew member.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 2:56 a.m. CST

    The Darkest Hour was Crap.

    by barneyshouldbeputdown

    Predictable, no character development, contrived set pieces. Hardly an isolated opinion - the critical response was overwhelmingly negative. So finding any motivation to read Spaiht's original script for this is... ugh. What's the point? Start with hamburger and you're never going to end up with steak. They brought in Lindelof and we ended up with cold meatloaf.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Joss Whedon Ressurection

    by Retro

    Hey all you fucking douchebags: Joss Whedon wrote Alien: Ressurection, so suck on that you bitching pieces of horseshit. What's the smarter movie, Prometheus of Alien ressurecton? Prometheus. What's the better movie? Prometheus, by a thousand fucking miles. If we got an Alien prequel that was a prequel in the same way that SW Ep. 3 was a prequel to A New Hope, you would all be bitching about how it was pointless and unoriginal. So SHUT THE FUCK UP! And all you fuckers need to stop glossing over this one fact: Your master Whedon fucked up the Alien franchise. Now Lindelof and Sphaits and Scott came up with something original, smart, and terrifying for the franchise, something we havnt seen from an alien movie in a long time. If you dont like Prometheus, then you don't really like Alien and the franchise

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 3:36 a.m. CST

    cobra--kai has obviously hit his head

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Prometheus is a disaster. That's what happens when you get a fan to write your film instead of a serious screenwriter. This draft by Spaights is better than Lindelof's, but that's like saying death by heart attack is better than death by decapitation. The whole concept is a disaster. There MIGHT have been an interesting film to make about the Giger navigators from the original Alien but as somebody pointed out above : "I'm sorry, but the Engineers seem a poor concept, especially in light of the fact that the original Space Jockey as conceived was entirely alien. It wasn't meant to be a big old human in a space suit, but that's how Ridley retconned it." Add to that shit drama, poor characters and appalling TV-level dialogue and you end up with a complete shitstorm. It's nicely visualised by Ridley but not on a par with Alien, Blade Runner, Legend etc. But nice visuals can only take you so far. Hopefully Lindelof has now been found out and will not infect any other big projects. What a shambles.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 3:41 a.m. CST

    HOLY SHIT! The return of Chaffro!!!!

    by DocPazuzu

    Welcome back, brother!

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 3:46 a.m. CST

    As for Prometheus...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...I watched it again recently on blu-ray and hated it as much as when I saw it on the big screen. Then I watched the deleted scenes which several talkbackers said would make the Prometheus-that-could-have-been seem much better. No, they did not. In fact, some of the deleted scenes made a few characters seem even dumber and unprofessional than the finished film did. I admit I'm biased against the canon-fucking concept of humanizing the space jockeys, but even if the jockeys had been the disturbing aliens they needed to be (see turd's terrific description of what they shold have been), the script (either version) would have still made Prometheus a terrible, terrible movie. Fuck you, Ridley Scott. Fuck you right in your faux-intellectual, "I-don't-respect-science-fiction", retconning ass.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 3:59 a.m. CST


    by Ralph Scifaretto

    Fuck you in your asshole, you naysayers fucks

  • ... that way we'd have got the story we wanted, and they'd have had better reviews for their film - thereby making more money. Simple, really.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 4:06 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    How's that lobotomy working out for you?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 4:28 a.m. CST


    by Ralph Scifaretto

    Not as good as yours, it seems. Go enjoy your Twilight saga, fucktard.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 4:30 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Why don't you tell us why you think it's a masterpiece?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 4:34 a.m. CST

    If Jesus Christ was an Engineer

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Wouldn't somebody have stopped at some point and said "Hey, how come you're 9 feet tall and blue?"

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 4:39 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Yeah, why don't you explain why Prometheus is a masterpiece?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Here, Ralph...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...let me help you. "If you're so fucking stupid that you can't see the genius of Prometheus for yourself, then there's nothing I can say." That about sum up your argument?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 4:55 a.m. CST


    by DylanYousonofa

    damn it, man! i was looking fwd to his explanation!!!

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Proof Lindeloff just added a load of psuedo mystical BS

    by kimbers

    I can see why they wanted to change things, this version seems to copy too many elements from the earlier Alien films however all lindeloff did was add some very unconvincing and random plot twists, to summarise the differences -they do land on lv426 -weyland isnt with them -vickers is in her 50s and doesnt get killed in that ridiculous way of the ship falling on her; she is eaten through by acid when an alien is shot next to her -david goes bonkers when he masters the engineer language and frees himself of his programming -david doesnt ingfect holoway a facehugger gets him a slug like xenomorph is loosed on the ship ala Alien -david also forces shaw to be exposed to the a facehugger, like carter burke tries in aliens, cue the scene with the nmedi pod, no stupid BS about it being outfitted only for a man as weyland wasnt there -there is no cringeworthy proposition to shag between idris elba and charlize theron -only idris elba is left at the end so his crew cant say how much they love him and are happy to die with him -fifiled becomes an alien human hybrid (ala alien 4?) rather than a zombie - theres no ambiguity the ship was full of bioweapons heading to earth to kill humans david found that out -at the end shaw is living the high life in vickers module with the alien head above the door as a trophy (AVP style?) overall it has the feel more of an 80s action flick than the post lost to cool for school vibe of prometheus which is where the final film falls down imho classics such as Alien or The Thing were free of the pretentiousness that Prometheus tried to ram down our throats

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:15 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    If you want to know why PROMETHEUS is a masterpiece probably better to look to the film critics who loved it (rather than the fanboys who mostly seemed to have hated it)... Some quotes which might help answer your question: A magnificent science-fiction film, all the more intriguing because it raises questions about the origin of human life and doesn't have the answers. Roger Ebert. Prometheus kicks ass so hard and often that it's impossible not to be thrilled by it. Peters Travers. Rolling Stone. Very few films can create a genuine sense of wonder and discovery, and Prometheus manages it for its entire 124 minute running time ... almost entirely a sensory experience. Adam Ross. Flawlessly designed, with the beautiful 3D cinematography contrasting the clean white futurism of Prometheus' interiors with the black corporeal surfaces of the alien catacombs.

 It might not pack the unbearable menace or blazing horror of the saga's first two movies, but it utterly eclipses the last two. It's exciting, tense and fully impregnated for sequels. Total Film.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:17 a.m. CST


    by allouttabubblegum

    Yeah they should make it around what the fans wanted! Why not have all films dictated by immature, toy playing ,spoiled whiners? Seriously you fucking nerds think youre the centre of the universe!

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Ebert on Aliens

    by DocPazuzu Yeah, Ebert's the guy to trust.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:21 a.m. CST

    Travers? Really?

    by DocPazuzu

    *Prometheus kicks ass so hard and often that it's impossible not to be thrilled by it.* What ass was kicked? And where? And when?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:22 a.m. CST

    At least Adam Ross was somewhat right.

    by DocPazuzu

    *almost entirely a sensory experience* Because if you actually stop to think about it, which Prometheus (according to Scott) wants you to do, it completely falls apart.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:23 a.m. CST

    9 feet tall and blue Jesus Christ:

    by buggerbugger

    You're going to need a bigger cross.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:26 a.m. CST

    re Total Film

    by DocPazuzu

    If I'm not mistaken, they initially gave Attack of the Clones full marks.

  • What a stupid fucking movie. Granted, the visuals were great and the 3D was pretty damn good. But a stupid fucking movie nonetheless. It's like "Alien" for stupid people. Now the dumb can go debate rehashed unoriginal Chariots of the Gods shit with their equally dumb friends and pretend they are deep thinkers. Such a fucking letdown, I was looking forward to this for months. A stupid Alien guy kills himself for no reason by drinking black goo even though he's super advanced and there are countless other ways to go about doing whatever he is doing, then somehow cave paintings show up for no reason all over the place pointing to five stars or planets or whatever even though this alien dude dissolved and never met anyone who could have drawn the paintings. Then a rich guy spends a trillion dollars to send a bunch of people to space, and of course hires a bunch of miscreants, because fuck a background check. Then the astronauts find some temple on a faraway planet because they conveniently land right next to it. They go explore a cave with super high tech navigating/mapping equipment but still manage to get lost. Some robot guy is super smart and inherently knows how to play back old VCR tapes of big elephant aliens running around for no reason. People die by doing stupid things. The robot guy fucks over one of the crew for no reason and infects him with some magic goo. Charlize Theron fucks Stringer Bell. Black people love Stephen Stills in the future. More people die doing stupid things. Some old rich guy in bad makeup appears doing his best Mr. Burns impression. Old rich guy wants to hang out with an alien for no discernible reason. More people die doing stupid things. Aliens don't love Stephen Stills but they do love playing the recorder and apparently their starships are controlled by a console that looks like a whack a mole game. alien space ship takes off and gets killed by 3 people who just decide they should all die, no biggie. Charlize Theron can't turn left and dies. The hero chick runs away from stuff and does a laugh/cry thing and gets saved by a giant tentacle.robot head gets saved and along with hero chick they totally fly off together in one of the most ridiculous scenes since Independence Day. Oh and there's an Alien real quick, happy? Stupid, stupid fucking movie. Don't worry about the nonsense incoherent plot, if you have the time to pore through old Ridley Scott interviews he answers all that shit somewhere so he didn't have to waste your time by putting any of it in his movie. This was almost worse than an Alien vs Predator movie, because of course that was going to suck, this should have been good.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:30 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Pretty much everyone I know IRL has seen Prometheus and they all either hated it outright or were exceedingly underwhelmed.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:42 a.m. CST

    The best dissection of Prometheus...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...I have ever read is Gavin Rothery's, and believe me, I've read a lot of dissections, both postive and negative. He puts his finger on pretty much everything that doesn't work and why.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:50 a.m. CST

    I will say this for Prometheus...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...and I am by no means the first to do so, but visually, the film is flawless (even if i hate some of the design choices), and Fassbender's performance is wonderful.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:01 a.m. CST


    by _SnakePlissken_

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:15 a.m. CST

    Ridley Scott is to blame for Prometheus!

    by AnalFissure


  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Everyone hated Blade Runner too

    by Kain_Bloodstone

    If the internetz had been around in 1982, the outpouring of hate for BR would have easily rivalled that of Prometheus. Why did Deckard and Rachael fuck? Why did Batty save Deckard? Why is Deckard's identity so ambiguous? Why do the replicants come to Earth and get themselves killed in stupid ways? THE MOVIE DOESN'T MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE! FUCK IT!!! The fanboy hate for Prometheus is completely hysterical. Those that loved the film are discredited for being hacks whose opinion is not worth a shit. All I'll is this - any piece of art that divides opinion so sharply MUST be important. To that end, Prometheus is a monumental triumph.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:21 a.m. CST

    @kain_bloodstone, Mariah Carey's Glitter divided opinion as well

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    And that ain't no fucking monumental triumph.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:23 a.m. CST

    The reason most people are so harsh on prometheus is simple...

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    ... because it had a ton of potential, it looked stunning, it had A-Grade actors... and it was all pissed away on a shitty script and terrible editing/pacing. Prometheus could have been a masterpiece, and Ridley made a bad call.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:28 a.m. CST

    If the internet was around when Bladerunner was released...

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    it would have been overwhelmingly praised as a masterpiece by talkbackers, of that I have no doubt. When I saw it at the cinemas back when it was released, everyone leaving the session before mine was raving about it excitedly, and when my session was over, the entire audience applauded. When I left Prometheus, most people had a stunned "what the fuck was that?" look on their faces. Some looked like they had just seen a swift breeze lift Harry Knowles' kilt a la Marilyn Monroe.

  • The makeup was that bad.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:32 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Since you're playing devil's advocate, why don't you explain to us what exactly the illiogical actions of the characters of Blade Runner are? As far as I see it, for example, Batty's actions made perfect sense. And don't give me shit about analyzing the movie 30 years after the fact because I saw it in the theater in 1982 as a dumbass 15-year-old and I still understood it.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:33 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Go fuck yourself.

  • Seriously. That was fucking awesome

  • ...but ended up being a muddled, confused pointless mess. Its the worst kind of bad movie - the one you get your hopes up for spend, good money on and get fucked over by. What the fuck ridley?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:43 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    It's also a movie pretending to be smart which is really annoying. People bring up the dumbness of The Avengers in comparison to prometheus but it's an erroneous effort. The Avengers knows it's dumb and is honest about it. Prometheus wants you to think it's smart and as such is insulting to viewers who actually are smart.

  • *That* I have no doubt was Rothman's input during the brainstorming sessions with Ridley.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:50 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    I didn't say it was flawless, did I, suckbag? There's only one way to play a robot? Arnie didn't play a robot with identity issues. I guess Kenny Baker sucks too, then, assjack. You're "getting sick and tired" of us... Kiss my ass.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:51 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    allthosepowers, im pretty sure DocPazuzu is on *your side* as someone who also hated PROMETHEUS. However, unlike you gibbon he has enough intelligence to discern good elements within it.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:52 a.m. CST

    I admit, I actually had no problem with the Ancient Aliens theme

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    It was just done so ham-fistedly, especially the Catholicism. In the sequel, I really hope David gets his head screwed back on, and he rams Shaw's crucifix into her eye socket.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:53 a.m. CST

    I LOVE Prometheus

    by theyreflockingthisway

    Alien is one of my favourite movies, if not my all time favourite. Prometheus is an excellent addition to the series. To be honest I'd rather watch Prometheus and Alien than Alien and its sequels. They're more stories about the unkown and the dangers of space, rather than just about the alien. Saying that, though, I still enjoy all the Alien films and Prometheus hasn't replaced them for me. Aliens is still a great sequel and action film, I still have a fondness for Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection still gets a watch from time to time (for great atmosphere if nothing else). I'm not going to try and convince anyone of why they should like Prometheus. If you don't, then it's OK to hate it. However what you can't do is deny that it has its share of fans who loved every minute of it.


  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:54 a.m. CST

    by Darth_Kong

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Thanks, cobra.

    by DocPazuzu

    You're good people.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:01 a.m. CST

    The only reason Charlize Theron was in Prometheus was...

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    so she could cross Ridley Scott off her bucket list of directors to work with, Fassbender and actors to work with, and so she could have an interracial sex scene (that was never actually filmed or shown, just hinted at). And for that she got one of the most one-dimensional, cardboard, useless characters in movie history who served no point other than to die a ridiculous death by not having the brains to run sideways.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Prometheus was scientific retard fodder

    by IamHERE

    So many gaping holes in the story. Hmm the engineers ship crashes at the end and lies on its side just like the ship from Alien, which takes place on a different planet. So we get the visual nod to alien but its on a whole different world. LAME There was no story why the engineers went to all the trouble and sacrifice to create life on our planet and then at the end to become so enraged instead of being curious at how their experiment progressed. There was no explanation why they wanted to load up a ship full of 'biological warfare' and bombard our planet with the mutagen. The whole scene with the muck snakes was so unbelievably bad. What man, especially a biologist who knows the dangers of wildlife, in his right mind would approach a hostile unknown alien organism and treat it like a puppy and pet it? SO STUPID and COMPLETELY LAME. How come the engineer ship on LV426 had the eggs in containment, not those metal vases that contained the mutagen goo? Its like Scott wanted to do a prequel but chickenshitted out at the last second. Prometheus, while visually was amazing, was a complete dud of a movie, from acting to story.

  • And the CGI was terrible. I still don't get the shot where it shows the ship approaching the planet and the rings around it... Doesn't anyone else think it looks like total crap? I have a 55" 3D HDTV and have seen the film multiple times in glorious 1080p. There is simply no wonder and awe in those shots. Right from the beginning Ridley let us know he was phoning this one in with a pathetic looking CGI zoom in of the JOckey's arm and showing the CGI DNA... It looks like total crap and only served to take me out of the film from the very beginning. Then you add in the horrible editing (nearly all of the deleted scenes should have been left in as they explain what appear to be pointless and stupid decisions by characters in the theatrical cut) and a pretty annoying score and you've basically ruined everything that was good about ALIEN.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Why Blame Lindelof ? Blame Scott if you want.

    by higgledyhiggles

    You guys seem to think Lindelof goes off in a room and starts laughing maniacally while knowingly ignoring all direction and notes from the Director and producers. Then comes back , hands it in and when Ridley Scott says `are you sure?` Lindelof giggles says `fuck you` and walks off counting the cash. I`m pretty sure he would have written this under Scott`s direction surely ? I thought it was ok, not great but enjoyable. Just because it wasn`t Aliens 56 you all start crying. Yet when Disney lines up to re-basterdize Star Wars yet again you simply can`t wait. Weird.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Doc Pazuzu, i agree....

    by Father

    .... prometheus isnt smart. It starts off like its going to be a big exploration of humanitys origins but descends into a half hearted creature feature thing. Fuck man, just give me a full blooded monster movie or a complex ,weighty , cerbral sci -fi, dont give me an unsatisfying mish mash of both.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:30 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    No, I don't think he sits there and consciously plots the demise of the movie he's writing. I just think he's an overpaid, unimaginative, creatively bankrupt twat who does the best he can with his limited faculties.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:31 a.m. CST

    And yes...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...Scott is ultimately to blame for Prometheus.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Takes two humans to lift a massive Engineer head

    by Graphix67

    That was always one of my top inconsistencies for this prequel: The mummified SpaceJockey from ALIEN seemed visually to be a true giant. (Somewhere around 18 ft. in his reclining position and that's taking into account that the Nostromo members were actually children stand-ins to enhance the creature's size.) But, nevertheless, the Engineers of this new movie would have been dwarfed by the original SpaceJockey and needing 2 people to lift a "true" SpaceJockey's head sounds about right.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:36 a.m. CST

    How did the get Kane back from out of the egg chamber?

    by rev_skarekroe

    How did the facehugger skin wind up in the ceiling when it fell off of Kane? Why would they just have a leisurely dinner with a guy who had clearly been infected by an alien parasite? How did the chestburster grow up so huge and so fast with ever eating anything? How did The Company know there was an alien lifeform on that planet? Why would they send a bunch of space truckers to retrieve it by accident instead of a crew of scientists? Where does the cat sleep when they go into suspended animation?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:44 a.m. CST

    problem with Prometheus...

    by Titus05

    it doesn't completely work as standalone movie and it also suffers due to the Alien was always designed as a setup for Prometheus 2, the real 'Alien' prequel, which hurt the movie in the end...when you're stuck between trying to please fans of the original while at the same time trying to create something new both versions suffer...I enjoyed Prometheus on Blu-ray the more I watched and examined it but it doesn't compare to the original movies

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:47 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    1) It wasn't the skin, it was the facehugger itself. It obviously crawled/jumped up there to die. 2) Kane was under Ash's care. He WANTED the thing to gestate so why would he tell his crewmates that there was a creature inside of him. 3) Why would it have to eat anything to grow? It's biomechanoid nature means that it works in ways which are completely alien to us. Who knows what it ingested (if anything) in order to grow? 4) Company DIDN'T know there was a lifeform on that planet. They sent Ash along JUST IN CASE. 5) Ash was the only scientist they felt they needed. They were wrong. 6) With one of the crewmen, of course. Anything else?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Oh and...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...obviously the same winch that was used to lower him into the egg chamber was used to retrieve him.

  • What if, like a Minotaur, the Jockeys used other creatures/races organics for a breathing apparatus? It would completely explain A - The Jockeys are smaller because they are NOT the same as the creature who's skeleton is found in ALIEN B - The"masks" that hte Jockeys wear which look like the creature from ALIEN is actually a Minotaur like, smaller genetic replica of the race of creatures from ALIEN. After the Jockeys conquer a race, they harness whatever genetics they may be able to use from them as well. This also explains why the Jockey's ship in ALIEN looks more organic - it is the ORIGINAL technology from the ORIGINAL race of Space Jockeys that the Engineers stole. THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING. Will they go there? No. They're going to continue to make us believe the horrid Giger lite Author Max sets are the same and the horrid, not much larger than humans at all Engineers are somehow the same creatures. THEY FUCKING AREN'T.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:50 a.m. CST

    People think it's either/or

    by DrGogol

    But it isn't. I love the first three Alien movies so very much. I even don't hate the fourth one, although it is more of an interesting oddity than a film. But Prometheus makes two through four seem pretty unimaginitive. I am super psyched for the sequel. Hell, a TV show of a girl and her robot travelling space looking for the origin of man? Yes, please!

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Saw the clip above but...

    by IamHERE

    I clicked on another video that popped up after it, something about unused mutagen ideas, and man what a movie those would of made. The idea of the crew member that had his helmet melted was truly awesome, not the swollen headed retard that made it in the movie. They had some great ideas, of course none made it into the film.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Question for Prometheus fans.

    by DocPazuzu

    Does it bother you, even if it's just a little, that Prometheus more or less stole en entire scene and two character arcs wholesale from Alien vs. Predator?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Before you guys let your hatred of Lindleof get in the way...

    by D.Vader

    Why don't you try reading the script first and then decide.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 8:27 a.m. CST

    I really liked that Watts could "see the light"

    by rxse7en

    That she was able to have lenses fabricated from the engineer's eyes and see that the installation was always alive and operational all along was an excellent bit in the original script. I liked that it was explained that David could see all of the writing, "signage", controls and interfaces when others couldn't from the get-go.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 8:27 a.m. CST

    HUGE Lindelof fan but...

    by A G

    ...his draft seems to have removed almost all of the action from the script. What the fuck?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 8:35 a.m. CST


    by JAGUART

    Thanks for posting that dissection of Gavin Rothery's. But I suddenly had to stop reading when he used his word "definately". I use it as a clear line of literacy. Many internet readings have been cut short by its sudden appearance.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Thank you Joeuman, for having some sense

    by D.Vader

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Whedon didnt fuck up the ALIEN franchise

    by Logan_1973

    Only a few scattered elements of his script made the final film.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Those who are decrying that Lindelhoff "ruined" this script...

    by Mikey Wood

    ...clearly haven't read it. It's a good read as-is, sure. Would have worked fine if filmed. But nothing added/taken away from it really made that much of a difference. I enjoyed PROMETHEUS even though I had issues with it. They really sort of screwed up by NOT embracing the fact that it's an ALIEN prequel. They almost didn't change it ENOUGH. I would have preferred it to have been either A)a more direct prequel or B) Something entirely different. I'm sure many fans feel the same.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Question for Comic book/Superhero movie fans?

    by UGG

    Does it bother you that every single movie is exactly the same?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    The alien prequel that's too good to be an alien prequel.

    by knowthyself

    That still turned out to be a prequel to alien. WTF

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Yes, but only when they claim to be something different, when they claim to be original, when they claim to be provocative and raise serious questions about who we are.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    It's already being packaged along with Alien 1-4.

  • of course the conclusion that shows how a sect of engineers broke off from the weapons manufacturer engineers and seeded life in the galaxy

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Elsewhere in the galaxy using modified genetic accelerant

    by UltraTron

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST

    M.G.A. It's what stallone takes.

    by UltraTron

  • Visually fantastic but ultimately unsatisfying and block-headed. It's such a missed opportunity that it falls with a much larger thud than if it had represented a totally fresh story (rather than muddying up the Alien waters).

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 9:15 a.m. CST


    by J.B.M.A.

    Perhaps the vitriol may seem off scale to you, but I think it's entirely justified. Scott had 30 years worth of ideas and access to the industries top writers and craftsmen to create another science fiction movie of some quality. This is the best he could come up with? It also unacceptable to allow Ridley credit for 'directing' the film. Anything he points a camera at tends to the beautiful, but directing is not simply camera placement and lighting. It's entire creative control from the script to the art department. Prometheus is appallingly written, badly edited, terribly scored and - most painfully for a man who has spent his career making stunning images - contains some truly poor design. There is nothing sinister about the Giant Facehugger or the Engineers. Gigers work on the first film is entirely undermined.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 9:15 a.m. CST

    The apologists for Lindelof are comical

    by Brian Hopper

    He's been involved in so many wonderful, successful, influential projects.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST

    The apologists for Lindelof are comical

    by Brian Hopper

    Examples... He's been involved in so many wonderful, successful, influential projects. Lindelof should've penend the whole thing. He improved an otherwise shit script Lindelof and Sphaits and Scott came up with something original, smart, and terrifying for the franchise Why Blame Lindelof ? Blame Scott if you want. --- It seems to me (having suffered through reading this) that Lindelof took an already crappy script and made it more boring and ponderous and (this amazes me) even dumber than it already was.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Post butchered by AICN... again:

    by Brian Hopper

    The apologists for Lindelof are comical Examples... He's been involved in so many wonderful, successful, influential projects. Lindelof should've penend the whole thing. He improved an otherwise shit script Why Blame Lindelof ? Blame Scott if you want. Lindelof and Sphaits and Scott came up with something original, smart, and terrifying for the franchise ~~~ It seems to me (having suffered through reading this) that Lindelof took an already crappy script and made it more boring and ponderous. Most amazing of all, he took a dumb script and made it even dumber, which hardly seems possible.

  • reading his script I kept thinking WTF? Sadly, just not that good a writer (like practically ever other so-called writer in Hollywood).

  • All is right with the universe.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Words can not even begin to describe how shit Prometheus was.

    by Volllllume3

    They need to bring Cameron back to this universe asap.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    The Space Jockey in ALIEN has very long arms.

    by unclemonty666

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Oh, look, it's mentaldominance having a fit again....

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    It must suck for you that Cameron triumphed and Scott failed, after your months of asinine rants about how Ridley was going to show everyone how it was done. Avatar>>>>dried dog shit>>>>>>Plan 9 from Outer Space>>>>>Prometheus.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST

    vollllllume3, I agree

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    Cameron would never have filmed such an illogical and stupid script as Prometheus. Scott wouldn't have, either, in his heyday, but he's old and senile now. Cameron's judgment is still top-notch. It's a pity that Cameron and Scott didn't get to collaborate on their proposed Alien 5. THAT would have kicked ass, beyond all doubt. Cameron would have actually had the balls to stand up to Ridley and tell him when his ideas weren't good enough, and vice versa, unlike spineless 'yes men' such as Lindelof.

  • are a chunk or our rigging ripped out and then qmeshed into a whole other model. Then the artist said screw it and didn't bother replacing the chunk. Oh well it's as good as any theory I suppose.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 10:50 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Turd, ha! Maybe you should google the interview where Cameron admits going to see PROMETHEUS not once but twice at the movies - he loved it! *I enjoyed ‘Prometheus’; I thought it was great. I thought it was Ridley returning to science fiction with gusto, with great tactical performance, beautiful photography, great native 3D. There might have been a few things that I would have done differently, but that’s not the point, you could say that about any movie.* *I was out there opening night [for] “Prometheus.” I didn’t go to the Thursday midnight screening, but I was there Friday. I like to still get excited about movies and whether they pay off or not, that’s not the point — the fact that there’s still an excitement around a new movie, about the an unveiling of a new movie….Prometheus is a film I saw twice* James Cameron

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    that synopsis alone sounds wwaaaaayyyyy better

    by JAMF

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Art imitates life life imitates the shit duck

    by UltraTron

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST

    what happens to kate dickie's character

    by popboy

    in this movie. was her death so gorey and horrible that it had to be edited out of the movie completely or what?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    cobra-kai, notice how he politely avoids talking about the actual content of the film

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    He praises the visuals and 3D, and talks in very general terms. Of course - most people were unanimous in their opinions that those aspects of Prometheus were great. Mind you, Cameron also said - on this very site - that he liked AvP when he finally saw it, and then was later caught on camera at the Pirates 2 premiere admitting it was crap.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Still would be the biggest disappointment of all time.

    by Cervical Belt Sander

    Old people shouldn't be allowed to continue movies they made when they were young.

  • But yep, a fail on the whole. I still feel a sequel can redeem somewhat as I'm interested in more Rapace / Fass at any time.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Wow. That script was shit.

    by donkey_lasher

    It makes me appreciate the final version even more. LV426, BEFORE Alien? Oh, so they all left nothing behind that the Nostromo crew could notice? Space marines have no place in this film, no matter what you call them. This film was doomed from the off, as there was no way in hell that Scott could top Alien.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, noon CST


    by donkey_lasher

    He would probably make the Alien intelligent and misunderstood, and rip off another animated film from 20 years ago. If Aliens had been released today, imagine the reaction on here. It wouldn't stand a fucking chance.

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  • Nov. 13, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    They let Chet be the movie. Why would they allow this?!

    by UltraTron

  • priceless artifacts by ramming my bare hands into them and scooping out whatever shit might be inside them without even fucking looking. This was somehow ok with an actual explorer director.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Brock Lovitt. Really A-list sounding character name there.

    by UltraTron

  • A lot, gentlemen. A lot. Good movies, for example.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST

    For the movie not formthe movie

    by MariusXe

  • Anything to justify their own bad taste, I guess.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Lindelof blew alot, but the stuff with David alone on the ship

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    is arguably the best part of the movie.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST

    We are the 'center' of the universe....if it's curved...

    by Darth Macchio

    Seriously. Depending on your personal theory (or which of the established theories you believe), nerds, jocks, all humans and everything else. If our universe is curved, then the farthest thing from you at any given moment is the back of your head. Ok, mathematically speaking, there'd be no "center" in a curved universe, but still, relative to your head, in a curved universe, you are indeed the center....or may as well be anyway...time and space being relative and all that. But I digress... Reading Spaiht's draft was interesting. In terms of interest, it played out a bit like the movie, where I was fascinated up until about the half-way 2/3 point and then just lost interest. I haven't read the Lindleof stuff (and never watched Lost) but having seen the film, I'd say Lindleof in no way ruined the script.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Dickie's death...5-finger death punch from Engineer

    by Darth Macchio

    At least that's how I took that open palm blast (or was it an arm strike?) to her chest and her body flying away. At a guess, he pulverized her internal organs with that blow. Speaking of guessing...there was a novelized version of Prometheus yes? Has anybody here read it? Does it fill in any blanks or make any worse?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Stereotypes and Prometheus

    by non-entity

    It is strange to me how the very vocal minority try to characterize Prometheus as the worst film of all time and make it so that others can not have a normal conversation about the film. You can cry and rant all day long but nothing changes that the majority of critics and audiences liked the film. It is Certified Fresh at 74% with critics on Rotten Tomatoes and even with the hate spewed non-stop at the film it still manages a 76% Like by the general audience. If you want to just go by personal experience, which is the usual " everyone at my screening walked out half way through and went up front and pissed on the movie poster ". My personal experience is I went opening night with 2 MD's , 1 PharmD, a biologist, and a cop with a 2 year associates degree in criminal justice. The only person who did not enjoy it because it was "stupid"was the police officer. The police officer also never misses Jason Statham movies and thought The Expendables was intellectually deep. I guess it is fair for me to generalize that the less educated and the lower your IQ, the more likely you are to not enjoy Prometheus.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    @inteferon When you went to the screening with a biologist,

    by Brian Hopper

    did he go in the theater's rest room and see a strange threatening worm creature and, instead of running, try to pet it until it broke his arm and forced itself down his throat?

  • gotham were actual size on the 7 story screen. The sky is supposed to be blue. Dinosaurs existed 65 million years ago according to carbon dating facilities on opposite ends of the earth that shared no contact. The iridium layer confirms this also. The best movie of the summer was Dredd 3D? It's flawless across the board. What can you criticize there? Perfect characterization and a harrowingly real mega city one.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST

    The ALIEN: ENGINEER script was better than PROMETHEUS

    by Monroville

    It still needed some work. I would have taken out the Fifield and co. snake encounter and had them find the bodies and progress the story while following Watts. Some of the dialogue was corny and could be excised, and they could have replaced the Aliens with the crew transforming into the Space Jockies/Engineers. Overall though it had less "people doing stupid ass things" and I thought Weyland's scene was MUCH better and made a hell of a lot more sense. Same with how they discovered the map to LV-whatever you want it to be. I also agree that the end would have to be altered to explain why the Nostromo doesn't find ANY trace of humans there, much less the fact that the Derelict/Juggernaut had been there for more than a decade (as in more like 100,000's of years). Face it: the movie "is" a turd. This wouldn't have been a complete turn around, but it would have been more entertaining and less idiotic. It seems that instead of polishing the dialogue, whittling down the character roster and improving the ending, Lindelof bastardized the best parts and introduced even worse elements to add to the bad stuff that was already there (in Spait's script, Watts runs from the crashing Juggernaut, but quickly learns to run perpendicular to the ship... in Lindelof's rewrite, Vickers doesn't die from the acidic Fifield alien poring acid over top her and instead dies because she is an idiot).

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Aliens not allies

    by UltraTron

  • After I watched it for the 1st time two weeks ago I was very confused because I thought nothing that happened made any sense. I figured it was deeper and more complex than I knew. That I should have understood what I was watching when all of the things that were happening on screen unfolded. Turns out I am not an idiot. The movie just makes no fucking sense.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST

    One thing that bothered me immediately about Prometheus...

    by BilboRing

    They all wake up after a 2-year sleep and nobody has a clue as to why they agreed to join the mission. Charlize Theron's character is like "Okay let's gather around and discuss the mission." Nobody knew each other or why they agreed to be in a coma for 2 years? To me it was immediately a ship for of retards. Wouldn't you want to know what it was you were signing up for before agreeing to be put to sleep with a chance of dying? Then the pilot is putting up a Christmas tree as if he has been there for decades and they are all good buddies. It's a new ship and a first-time, trillion-dollar expedition. There's no Christmas tree. The more I mull it over, the more I realize how stupid the movie is.

  • Is Prometheus to some degree flawed? Yes. Is it a little too steeped in religion for a film that takes place in the distant future? Of course. Is it a bad film? I don't think it falls even close to being in the category of "bad films." At worst it's mediocre, but I would argue it is still one of the better science fiction films I've ever seen, possibly even in my top 10, more likely though in my top 20.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Prometheus sucked. Keep Lindelhof as far away as humanly possible from the sacred Star Wars

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Apologists like cobra be damned, prometheus sucked

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Script needed intellect

    by Psyense

    The Sci-Fi film Sunshine (aside from its 3rd act) had some fantastic dialog and smartly written. Hell they should've had Danny Boyle script and direct it with Ridley overseeing.

  • I mean, what are you saying? "I'm a chimp and easily fascinated with shiny objects." Why have a script at all? Why not just watch some elaborate computer-generated kaleidoscope? Movies are movies because they have a script, they have ideas, they have plot. It is thus consummately RETARDED to say "Oh, I know it insulted my intelligence, made no sense and was generally incomprehensible, but we shouldn't slag it off completely." Do you also enjoy food that only looks pretty? "Erm, yes, it was made from feces, but the way it looked on the plate, MON DIEU!" Do you like CDs pretty covers but no music inside? We've been hearing this same fucking argument--"but it looked great!"--from people for years, and it's time for it to stop. If you like groovy visuals, Moondoggie, smoke a fucking doobie and go to the laser light show at the planetarium. But don't for one second think you can employ the critical metric for deciding the value of a fucking FIREWORKS SHOW to a piece of cinema. FUCK. YOU. FUCKING. IDIOTS!

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Read the Spaights Draft

    by Psyense

    Liked: Opening sequences - DNA manipulation. Torn on the underwater obelisk vs the Isle of Skye cave in the final. The Meeting with Weyland in Weylands Wheel (hated that name) Vickers - not being his daughter. Holloway - Being older and a seasoned archeologist instead of a younger selfish dumbass. The idea of the hidden Weyland Security detail. Weyland's agenda - Tech (instead of the selfish live forever angle) The goggles with Lenses based on the engineers eyes and scenes with them in use. The introduction of the sleeper engineer. The chess game at the end (more palatable without the forced face hugger attach) Pacing Didn't like: Smart scientists making dumb decisions. Xenomorphs running amok. Engineer death by chest burst at end - When did he get impregnated? David is a little too evil Sidenote on the extra features on the blu-ray - The CG version of Fifield is actually superior and more disturbing. I applaud the use of pratical effects throughout but this instance it came across as Zombie-like.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST

    I need to weigh in on the whole Dummy Scientist Pets Alien Snake thing.

    by MoistMuskyCamelToe

    For the past decade, I've worked with scientists, many of whom are the top expert in one or more fields. And I can tell you from much personal experience that they absolutely would pet the alien snake. For example: I have seen scientists explore mines two miles deep without using respirators, so they are inhaling all manner of strange bacteria. I have seen scientists working with fuming sulfurous acid without wearing eye protection or gloves. I have seen scientists leave hard drives full of sensitive military data all over their labs, which are neither locked nor secure. Oh, and no back ups of the data, of course. To share the data with other colleagues, they just throw the drive in the mail. Brilliant. The list goes on and on. I'm not going to defend or apologize for Prometheus, but I can say that when it comes to scientists, common sense is in short supply.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    You are all talking such bullshit. Spaihts, Lindelof and Scott ALL collaborated on this

    by Talkbacker with no name

    I don't particularly have a problem with the movie, but I am getting sick of reading how Lindelof is to blame for everything from Lost to the death of christ. At the end of the day it comes down to the decisions made by the DIRECTOR, if you want to blame anyone for you not liking Prometheus. Now get over it and stop being such a whiney bitch. Spaihts, Lindelof and Scott all collaborated on this together.

  • Seriously, there wasn't even a single smart scientist among them. So while your (public sector?) scientists may do dumb things, none are on the order of taking off their helmet in an entirely alien environment, petting an unknown organism, running from a corpse, or not running to the science lab the second a worm pops out of their iris. To excuse the stupidity of the scientists in Prometheus with the stupidity of other scientists seems like a stretch to me. Imagine how much more satisfying it would have been if every single scientist in Prometheus was spot-on-the-ball, only to find that everything they did right was futile and that every decision they made, while scientifically valid, led to their destruction? We'd all be singing the praises of Spaihts, Lindelof, and Scott instead of banging our heads on the theater's armrests.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST

    I wouldn't say that "Engineers" is that much better, just different.

    by AlienFanatic

    It had a far better run-up to the main body of the film, with a better explanation of what the Engineers were and how Weyland's team got to the planet. Beyond that, putting them on LV-426 is still a flawed premise, simply because the fossilization of the Space Jockey (suit? ugh) doesn't match at all with the time interval between Prometheus and Alien. There's simply no way, unless they went to great lengths to explain rapid fossilization, for the Jockey to be fossilized in that 80-ish year interval. I agree with the comments that the central flaw in the screenplay is that Scott never put his foot down pre-script and said, "This is/isn't an Alien film!" Had he done one or the other, Spaihts and/or Lindelof could have been far more careful with their screen plays. God, what I wouldn't give for them to have left this alone and made Prometheus its own, non-Alien movie. Even if these guys all did stupid stuff, at least it wouldn't have tainted the wonderful mystery of the Space Jockey, one of my favorite Giger designs.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST

    The biologist trying to pet the alien cobra...

    by Animorganimate one of the more idiotic things I've seen in a while, but even worse is the biologist high tailing it out of the cave with the geologist without even looking at the NEW SPECIES OF ALIEN LIFE SITTING IN FRONT OF HIM. Who the fuck does that?!

  • I love his visuals. LOVE THEM! But the man has a long, long, long history of saying crazy shit in interviews that makes you wonder just what the hell is going through his mind. Because of his reputation, I doubt many of the people around him argue with him. He needs a steady hand from his Producer and a great script or he's just going to churn out mediocre results because he films every nutty idea that comes into his head. Sometimes it's genius, but sometimes it's utter pap.

  • That whole sequence should have been excised from his draft. I'm glad Scott and Lindelof did the deed, but Spaights should have known that in the case of sequels, imitation is NOT the best form of flattery. Yech.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Scientists and common sense...

    by Darth Macchio

    Yes indeed. We get all sorts in human science. Even "scientists" insisting we'll never break the sound barrier. Never land on the moon much less walk on it. Never split the atom, never achieve stable fusion at room temperature, never derive the UT, never travel faster than light, etc, etc... Yes. Scientist cynics as opposed to skeptics or explorers of knowledge. They're human after all. And don't forget the predictable human ego - even more likely to afflict those with much, or more, education than the average person. But the difference with Earthly scientists doing stupid, careless things on Earth is very different from Earthly scientists doing stupid, careless things on an alien planet. Why? Simple: Consequences. As in, we simply have no idea what could happen. If an idiot scientist breathes in air never before exposed to our atmosphere in a cavern deep under the Earth, the likely consequences would be sickness, maybe death for that scientist and/or the expedition team. At worse, and I mean truly "AT WORSE", they may uncover a microbial agent that could wreak havoc on living organisms but even then, the potential for causing an epidemic, much less pandemic, are practically nil. However, on an alien world where you can count on the unknowns all but permanently dwarfing the knowns, the consequences of any carelessness would be absolute. And you'd never know if it ended with you and your team, or the human race, or all life as we know it. Ask those same clumsy biologists how they'd perform if they were in a pressurized cabin 35 thousand feet below sea level. Where literally trillions of tons of water are sitting on top of their heads. Where a single careless mistake, made in a mere moment, can wipe out the entire expedition. Nobody screws around with stakes that high. Watch Cameron and his team going a few measly thousand feet down to the Titanic wreck. Now imagine no resources other than what you bring. No backups. No rescues inside of, at minimum two years (to use Prometheus's Zeta-Riticuli destination - 34light years away). This doesn't even begin to discuss long distance communications. Did they have faster than light communication like they traveled? Cause if not, there is no communication. Period. None. 34 years each way for a signal to travel. No communication. So, outside of some ftl communications, even 2 years wouldn't be remotely enough. So, all those extreme and undeniable/unavoidable limitations. All those unknowns. No, there'd simply be no room for human carelessness whatsoever. You count on human error; it's inevitable. But wanton carelessness could not be tolerated on any level at any time. That said, I liked this movie a lot and am not a hater. However, I am a bit sad that I have to turn off most of brain to get more enjoyment out of it. Prometheus is kind of like a thinking man's Michael Bay movie.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    typical lindelof faggotry:

    by JAMF

    Damon Lindelof ‏@DamonLindelof Never. RT @edgeinisverige you butchered Prometheus and now you have butchered World War Z. When will you stop?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Ridley, Ridley, Ridley...

    by Darkness

    Ridley, Ridley, Ridley...I admire your courage in tackling the "Alien" universe with a confused back story - but please, i'm begging you,leave "Blade Runner" alone...Pretty please, with sugar on top! We are aware of the reality...just don't ruin the fantasy, okay?...

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Re: Spaiht's Draft/PROMETHEUS

    by ArmageddonProductions

    I absolutely blame Scott for what happened to PROMETHEUS, and it's evident from this script that his "lofty" goals transformed what could have been an honest ALIEN prequel (what it should have been) into pseudo-intellectual junk. That's not to say Spaiht's version was great, but you're looking at an early draft -- a few rewrites to shore up the dead spots and this would have actually worked. This storyline actually makes a lot more sense than what ended up on film. In fact, the worst thing I can level at ALIEN: ENGINEERS is that it needed to be a little less derivative of its forebear -- in this case, 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY. However, if that would have been the worst thing you could have said about the finished movie, I think it would have been much better off. </p><p> Hell, most people went to see the movie purely on the strength that they were being so coy about it. Even if it had been a GREAT movie, it wouldn't have met that level of expectation (something I call "PHANTOM MENACE Syndrome").</p><p> At the end of the day, what really separates ALIEN: ENGINEERS and PROMETHEUS is the level of stuff not making sense -- NOTHING in PROMETHEUS makes a lick of fucking sense. Why did the Engineers hate humans? Why did Weyland think they would somehow make him young again, and to that end, waste what little fucking time he had left alive on a goddamn dangerous space voyage? Why did they go there and GET BRIEFED ON THE MISSION LITERALLY FIVE HOURS BEFORE THEY LAND??!? Why didn't they have a contingency plan, you know, in case the Engineers turned out to be hostile? Why does Vickers consider the crew to be completely expendable -- one imagines they would be sending the creme de la creme on the first manned space mission light years away? And if the crew is expendable, wouldn't Vickers have needed them, at least SOME of them, to get home again and to help defend her against a potentially hostile alien threat? In ALIEN, they have ball-busting protocols to deal with possible alien bacteria and decontamination. Here, we have a much more advanced ship with a crew full of top-notch scientists and NONE OF THESE PROTOCOLS ARE EVER IMPLEMENTED. How is Shaw and/or the android capable of piloting the alien ship? Neither one of them are pilots, or have the capabilities to be pilots (or David would have been flying PROMETHEUS, not Janek). If Weyland have the ability to create a fully AI android, why not just send a bunch of fucking androids to the Engineer's world and spare a bunch of lives (they actually did this -- excellently, I might add -- in the Dark Horse ALIENS series)?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Hey, it's Doc Paz

    by ScaryJim

    i think you're the only person I recognize here from 10+ years of sporadic posting. I'd be interested to know when people first got that sinking feeling that Prometheus was going to be shit in the cinema. For me it was the sequence where David views the dreams. As soon as a film tries to falsely imbue a characters history you know it's going to be shonky, I mean what actual purpose do special dream machines have in the film other than to relay dodgy exposition FS. The opening was beautiful but the second omen was the landing sequence which was handled with as much grace as an episode of Stargate, the difference being that in the Stargate universe going to different planets is the norm and Stargate doesn't pretend to be Hard Sci-Fi. I never normally get that angry about films, even bad ones made with good intentions but PROMETHEUS felt like a bait and switch, we all knew that AVP would be dumb as fuck which is why I can't get angry at that despite the 'potential' . I probably won't get angry about WWZ because despite that films potential they've already thankfully warned me via a series of trailers that it is also going to be dumb as fuck and have nothing to do with the book. PROMETHEUS telegraphed it's conviction to hard sci fi early though and that is why it's such a disappointment.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    As an example of how early this script is...

    by D.Vader

    Just look for introductions of Fitfield and Milburn. Here's a hint- there AREN't any. Every character gets introduced in the traditional screenwriting manner, but Fitfield and Milburn suddenly appear out of nowhere with dialogue. I haven't yet figured out if he just switched names halfway through or what.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST

    The termite-mound temple was a major disappointment

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Not only was it scrappy seconds from a Dune concept, but it was so boring. And the skull on top... we get a glimpse of that as an afterthought, like "oh crap, we forgot to show the skull, quick do an edit and throw it in." Just the head, sitting in a sea/lake that stretches beyond the horizon, knee deep inky blackness. Imagine the personnel carrier slowly driving towards the head, or the team wading out from the Prometheus. That would have been better. And I just made that shit up on the spot right now.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Re scientists petting alien cobras

    by Brian Hopper

    I can't believe someone would defend that by saying 'I know scientists and they often lack common sense.' The problem is simpler than that: characters acting stupid. The audience hates that. I was watching that bit in Prometheus and thought to myself, WTF? What is this, Friday the 13th? Prometheus is a super high-class production, so why drop characters into it who act like the babysitter in a slasher pic? It's just BAD WRITING. Period. And Spaihts and Lindelof (and Scott) are to blame.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Robert Towne and John Sayles used to do script doctoring...

    by Brian Hopper

    and occasionally when you got to read an earlier version you'd realize, yup, they definitely improved it. Not Lindelof. He took an extremely mediocre (at best) script and made it slightly marginally worse.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Lindelof Apologist... how about...

    by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers

    The Whedon apologists? Now all of a sudden, because he made a big, dumb, fun action flick called 'The Avengers', he's not to blame for 'Alien: Resurrection'... you people make ridiculous claims about Lindelof, Spiahts and Scott lacking intelligence and you praise someone who writes some of the most braindead material the film industry has to offer. You people fascinate me! Keep hating on Prometheus and Alien: Engineers for "Bad writing", when both drafts are clearly better and more coherent that those two big fan favorite movies of the summer. Actually, come to think of it, I don't think any of you douches are even qualified to detect bad writing and story telling.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST

    hey scaryjim

    by DocPazuzu

    Good to see you. For me the first sense of "uh-oh" in Prometheus was when they recycled the briefing scene on the ship from AvP and the tough guy/nerd interface from the same movie. What really started sinking the film for me was when they randomly punched through the atmosphere and THERE! was the temple. When Luke manages to find Yoda's home on Dagobah almost by accident we can at least attribute it to the wackiness of the Force, but Prometheus pretended to be all about hard SF so that shit simply will not do. By the time the crew had suited up and rolled off the platform just after landing, Prometheus was pretty much dead to me. Lazy and stupid as fuck as that was, it just got worse as the movie progressed. Compare it to the masterful way Scott portrayed the landing at LV-426 in Alien and the subsequent exploration. It's hard to believe it's the same director.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:27 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    You need to do your homework, Only a fraction of Whedon's ideas remained in the film. He himself said he was aghast at what they finally came up with.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Just read it.

    by Teddy Artery

    Yep... It was better before Lindelof and Scott screwed with it.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:46 p.m. CST

    @ Docpazuzu

    by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers

    Yeah right. The whole thing reaked of typical Joss Whedon storytelling. Some of his ideas and dialouge may have been changed here and there (not enough for the WGA to add an additional writing credit, btw) but Alien: Resurrection was pure Joss Whedon writing, characterization and mechanics. No matter what he "claims" --- (A typical film industry trait; writers, directors, actors speak positivley about a project and once it's released and the majority hate on it, they change their stories, pointing fingers at someone else for ruining it... or in the case of some, like Kevin Smith and George Lucas apologizing for the end product [Mallrats and Temple of Doom]...) Name a Joss Whedon story that features any sign of intelligence? Oh you can't? then stop praising him while bashing others for lacking it. Oh wait, I'm supposed to believe that it was the director that ruined A:R right?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Remember the good old days, before PROMETHEUS was released...

    by GravyAkira

    The marketing team behind this movie are genius. Probably some of the best trailers I have ever seen in my lifetime. We thought we were only getting glimpses of greatness. We were duped bigtime. As a HUGE Alien fan, this movie is a disgrace. All that talk about this not being an ALIEN movie is horseshit! Without the ALIEN movies, this incoherent mess of a movie would never exists. It really boggles the mind how you could screw this movie up so bad.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Bilboring, I'll explain it to you

    by D.Vader

    Its a top secret confidential mission. People work for the Weyland Company and usually get told what to do, but as this script says, the crew sign up bc they know the commitment and they know how much they'll get paid (remember in ALIEN the discussion of the contract and shares). So they might not have known the specifics, and when you're used to working in space (which has a long time commitment), I'm sure they didn't think twice when they saw how much they were getting paid. The final product could have benefitted from a line where someone explained that to the audience, but it didn't bother me.

  • And not like the briefing scene in ALIENS!

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Last time I checked, Aliens didn't have a scene with archaeologists demonstrating identical features in ancient human cultures to an incredulous crowd. Also, Aliens didn't have two main characters, a dweeb and a tough guy, first rubbing each other the wrong way, then becoming isolated from the rest of the crew and finally learning to get along before being cacked by monsters. AvP had all of that.

  • Jeebus, come on. Not only is there no introduction for either character, but there's no explanation that Milburn is a biologist. He just immediately picks up a giant centipede. You can't tell me that's better than the finished product, where he just reaches out to pet a new lifeform, and a small one at that. In this, he just PICKS up a three foot long centipede! Forehead smack.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Avengers was dumb as shit. So was Prometheus. The difference is that Avengers didn't pretend to be smart whereas Prometheus did. Do you understand now?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST

    @ Docpazuzu

    by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers

    I get what you're saying, but I respectfully disagree because I feel the whole "It's supposed to be dumb!" excuse = cop out. Prometheus may not have been an overtly intellectual screenplay, but it sure as shit was smarter and better written then Alien 3, Alien Resurrection, Alien vs. Predator and Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem. Also, a studio wouldn't want that exceptionally intellegent screenplay that most of you are waiting for, especially with a franchise film. They're a business and think in terms of getting buts into seats and appealing to a mass audience --- we have dumbshit terms like "pacing" now, which means have something exciting happen ever X ammount of minutes, other wise it's too slow for it's audience... I never understood that line of thinking until I read all of the bitching about Walking Dead season 2, which proves that the majority of the people who want story and character development only really want the most generic storytelling possible.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST

    d vader

    by Kain_Bloodstone

    You are one of the few talkbackers here that actually paid attention to the film. Almost all of the "gaping plot holes" in Prometheus are explained during the film. Your insights are refreshing, as always.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:02 p.m. CST

    d. vader

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    But for me that's exactly *why* Milburn is handled better in this script, because he's just a prospector like the rest of them. He picks the bug up because he thinks its just a gnarly bug and has complete confidence in his suit protecting him. A biologist would, really, probably not touch i, which is precisley why the snake scene in the movie seems so ridiculous. I'm of the mind that with no alternate backstory, he's got no credibility to lose.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Milburn cont:

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    I guess if I had to make it *perfect* I'd have Milburn be a biologist, specifically an entomologist, and have him seen with some Earth bugs in tanks in his quarters. Then, when he encounters the bug he can't resist picking it up, perhaps with tongs in order to put it in a specimen jar, then it surprises him by crawling up his arm.

  • I don't give Joss a pass on Alien: R, even if it's true that much of what he wrote was shitcanned. All the same, I think he's got a great mind, a great sense of humor, and a finger on the pulse of what audiences like. I'm not a Lindelof hater, but I do not think what he turned in was any improvement over what Spaights had done. And both of them were dealt a bum hand by Ridley, who I DO blame for the film's flawed premise. Prometheus is Ridley's dud more than anyone else's.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST


    by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers

    Yeah, he co-wrote Cabin in the Woods -- something it seems most people forget, since he tends to get all of the credit for it. And don't mistake me here, I think Whedon has developed some fun stuff... I digged his Astonishing X-Men Run and I though Serenity was pretty good... Avengers was good and I liked the first couple seasons of Buffy (and the original movie) but he's not the god the internet fanboys make him out to be. Then again, I don't go on angry rants about a movie sucking ass because it's not intellegent. I don't respect anyone who bitches about how un-intellegent Prometheus... or any movie... is, but also praise Whedon. It doesn't make sense. and I'm still not buying the whole 'Alien: Resurrection' isn't Whedon's fault excuse. Even if the film was exactly the way Whedon claims to have been his story, it's still typical Whedon, and still below Alien 3, yet above AVP and AVP: R... No matter how you want to look at it, at least Promethus attempted to tell and engaging story, something Whedon's Alien film didn't.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:56 p.m. CST

    @Alienfanatic Cont'd

    by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers

    And I will give you that Whedon does have a great sense of humor, I always enjoy his interviews.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST


    by Norman Colson

    alot of times the stuff they write isnt even that good but they are so damn name brand people just keep picking him but these producers need new blood and give someone who can actually write a decent coherent story and wont fuck it up!!!! Prometheus had alot of promise but i sat and watched it and im going wtf, why are the people doing such stupid shit!? WTF!

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 8:18 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    re: the scientists. What was the purpose of the PROMETHEUS mission? The true purpose? There are plenty of clues. When you understand that - you will understand the movie.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST


    by Norman Colson

    I thought it was the secrets of the universe and everlasting life but it was all a clusterfuck! everything was shrouded in secrecy. Weyland pretended to be dead but was alive the whole time, wtf why couldnt he just show himself and say: Hey guys i want the secrets to immortality and I believe this planet and engineers hold the key. It would have given the film and more better rationale. And the behavior of david was so fucking crazy it seriously made no sense. I'm not wrong with seeing the crazy shit with these scientist's die in stupid ways that just doesnt make sense. Also for all the money Weyland made into the project he creates an interstellar spaceship that has no fucking weapons? NONE!!!!! WTF!!!!

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 9:06 p.m. CST

    having just finished reading this script..

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    I have to say, this is far more elegant. The Engineer waking scene, the goggles, recognisable Aliens, the soldiers, David being more overt in his contempt for humanity, it makes a lot more sense. It's apparent that Lindelof ransacked this script leaving sequences in that don't gel with his own.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 9:53 p.m. CST

    It's better

    by systemsbroom

    But still suffers from the same problem: marrying Chariots of the Gods to Alien. The horror of Alien is that it shows the universe to be foreign, uncaring, and cold. It's not something that humans can understand, and in its face, we are small and irrelevant. Alien involves people encountering something they cannot understand, that ends up killing them not just for reasons unknown, but for purposes that have nothing to do with reasons, and in situations that show that human technology isn't just not up to the task of the problem, but beside the point. The "sense" the events of the movie makes is nightmare-logic; a psycho-sexual fever dream. Prometheus is all about how aliens are basically people, and how humans are oh-so-special creations of these people-aliens, and additionally oh-so-special for being the target of the people-aliens' wrath. The mysteries are not ineffable--they are entirely knowable. Whatever the engineers' motives are or were, they could be explained if we just knew a bit more information (or if subtitles were added when the robot talked to them). That said, the script does have a much more interesting treatment of technology than the movie (the constant use of scanners, probes, and recording; the limited AI in the rovers), and Holloway actually seems like a competent scientist who regularly manages expeditions.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Re: Nonsense in the ALIEN Universe ...

    by ArmageddonProductions

    There's actually quite a few things that don't add up in the ALIEN universe:</p><p> 1) "Let's use aliens as bioweapons!" Why? Have we ever adapted any creature in modern warfare for use as weapons? Dolphins, maybe, and we can see how well that worked out. Granted, O'Bannon was playing off the Vietnam angle, in which people were disposable and they dabbled in all kinds of weirdness, like chemical agents and Green Beret supermen (he went back to this well for RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD).</p><p> 2) "Let's send some space truckers to investigate our first contact with an alien species!" They couldn't send a specialized team with the facilities needed to contain and examine anything they came across? Let's send the union guys who didn't even have a space rover to DRIVE to the fucking derelict?</p><p> 3) "Now that we know there's definitely a hostile, acid-bleeding alien species on this planet, let's just send a light squad of grunts who spend all their time leading up to their deaths sneering in contempt at the one person who actually SAW the fucking alien the first time around, plus, we'll send some company asshole who could potentially fuck everything up via sheer weaselly incompetence!" Fuck, man, I think they sent more troops to Grenada! You'd think they'd be rolling out some heavy artillery to storm the place, even if it was just a "downed beacon", plus, a huge specialized team equipped to deal with acid-bleeding aliens and facehuggers. And maybe enough guys to check out that derelict. In fact, instead of worrying about the xenomorphs, which would basically be like giant space hornets and of no real consequence, how's about worrying about the giant dead dude in the chair and that fucking spaceship? Fuck "let's see if we can adapt these alien dudes for bioweapons" (and against WHOM?!? Who are we fighting in the future that's badass enough we also need to sweat creating xenomorph super-soldiers to get an edge on them?), what about "hey, let's see if we can reverse-engineer some of this goddamn alien technology, or at least worry about what planet THESE guys came from, since they were so badass, the xenomorph eggs were just their fucking CARGO"?!?</p><p> 4) Burke: weaselly enough to come up with the "let's infect a couple of people and freeze them until we reach Earth", not weaselly enough to figure out a way to keep the whole goddamn thing from blowing up and wasting Company money.</p><p> 5) At no point did anyone back home think to send out MORE GODDAMN SHIPS?!? Like, whoa, you guys even had the alien queen on your ship, stay put, we'll send more Army guys and maybe some tanks and those giant robot suits from AVATAR and see what's going on here before your stupid-ass nuclear explosion comes across as a declaration of war or something? Why bother flying back? There's some heavy shit going on here!</p><p> 6) Really? Nobody thought to check for eggs (which made no goddamn sense, anyway, seeing as how Ripley BLEW UP THE QUEEN'S GODDAMN EGG SAC IN ALIENS!!! Was she carrying around an extra egg on her back?) or extra aliens or anything after the Queen just pops up out of nowhere on the Sulaco?</p><p> 7) ALIEN 3. The whole thing.</p><p> 8) Hundreds of years later, they're STILL trying to figure out how to fucking adapt the aliens into some kind of bioweapon. Unfortunately, it appears that everybody in ALIEN: RESURRECTION graduated from clown college. They're not even smart enough to keep each alien in their own cell.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Agree with cobra--kai, Prometheus rules!

    by JarJar25

    For starters, it doesn't matter whether the alien derelict crashed like the other one, because there are other ships on that planet you idiots! There are also, those domes that houses them. There is no way this planet is LV-426. And shit the fuck up hey_kobe_tell_me_how_my_ass_tastes , Prometheus was good and will be remembered as the start of the Aliens trilogy after they make Paradise. It's fuckers like you that will miss out!

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Why the hate for Prometheus?

    by VermithraxPejorative

    I keep hearing from you guys that Lindlelof screwed the movie because there were no answers. the movie had plenty of answers they just weren't heavy handed or spoon fed to the audience. Frankly, I thought it was a bt of a masterpiece of scifi cinema.

  • Have you been out in the world lately? People. ARE. Stupid. Even the supposedly smart people, most of them are pseudo-intellectuals. For crying out loud, we're finding out that our CIA director and his top general were both having affairs, throwing away their careers for a little T&A. The people who have both high intellects and a bit of common sense are a lot more uncommon than you people make it seem. I don't find it unrealistic when people in movies like Prometheus do dumb things. That's actually one of most REALISTIC parts of it all.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 2:47 a.m. CST


    by KGersen

    Most of your examples of nonsense make no sense! 1) Bioweapons - even today companies are trying to find new proteins and processes from newly discovered species of fauna and flora. There is no reason why some company or government in the future will not try to engineer a bioweapon based upon some species. 2) The Nostromo came across the signal by chance. Weyland-Yutani then diverted it to investigate. It was the nearest available unit they could send. 3) The company treated Ripley's account of LV 426 with disbelief. They had a colony there already engaged in terraforming. Thus sending a group of marines to a downed signal makes sense. Also the marines had already participated in fruitless 'bug hunts' as Hudson puts it, this is why they had little faith in Ripley's account. 4) Burke has just the right level of weasel - a suit on the make who got in way over his head 5) No-one knew about the Alien Queen. Ripley and Hicks had decided to nuke the place anyway ('it's he only way to be sure') but the atmosphere converter went critical and did it for them 6) Who was going to check for what? Hicks was comatose, Bishop was junk and Ripley had just survived the fight with the AQ. Yeah I'm sure she was now going to check a whole battlecruiser on her own 7) Alien 3 was a disappointment, no denying that. If watch the making of, the whole thing was crazy from day one, first writer wanted them to be monks on some wooden planetoid or some shit 8) I can't remember the exact time diff between 3 and 4 but yes did seem a bit strange it had taken so long and yes the scientists turned out to be a bunch of dumbarses but they underestimated the intelligence of the aliens. The bit where two kill the other one to achieve their escape was actually quite clever.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 2:55 a.m. CST

    The only people really complaining are the butt-hurt fanboys.

    by Bob Derek

    The Alien franchise really needed a big u-turn to keep it interesting. Otherwise it would've been the same action beats over and over again like the rest of the franchise (which I enjoy but it is what it is). Besides, this movie left a lot to the imagination in terms of what the extended genus of where the xenomorph came from. Why the hell dosnt that excite y'all? The black liquid can CREATE life, meaning the possibilities of new species within the xenomorph's genus are now INFINITE. And you babies are pissed because we didnt get the albino newborn??!?! Or that you didnt like the characters' personalities?!?! Watch the scene where Janek is decorating the Christmas tree and pay attention to the background characters.. Most of the disposable characters are supposed to be exactly that, disposable tools. Slacking and texting like half of the people who go to the movies these days. The trilobite was one of the scariest monsters I've seen in a while and brings back the ominous threats of space that made the first film scary. Plus imagine being trapped with that thing in a tight space. Youd be dead before you could shit your pants. The centipede in Spaihts's script was interesting but not as frightening as the trilobite. The hammerpede in the final was just fine, even raping Lindeloff's face for you crybabies. And if you're going complain they didn't do enough with the new creatures, either expand it yourself in some other medium or shut the hell up. (not defending Lindeloff as much as I'm defending the collaboration, which is what it was) Of course the movie could've been better, but Stanley Kubrick is dead and this is Alien. It's only just starting to go in the right direction…without having to resort to sucking Mickey Mouse's cock.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Somone please explain to my why

    by spike fan

    the Engineer was asleep in his tube in the first place ?? He was ON HIS FUCKING SHIP. If his mission was to wipe out humanity ( still not sure how Rapace and Co worked that out either) why not simply take off straight away, why go to sleep on the off chance Weyland and co will wake him up in the future.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 3:10 a.m. CST

    Yes Epsilon people are stupid but if the previous scene

    by spike fan

    Has that charachter going in the other direction from where a life form is detected. It stands to reason that charachter should not be petting an alien cobra in the very NEXT SCENE

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 3:21 a.m. CST

    for those complaining about those complaining about stupid scientists

    by _SnakePlissken_

    On this mission they spared absolutely no expense on anything.. it was to be Weyland's career swan song.. how he will be remembered... not to mention his way of trying to keep on living etc.. Don't you think they would of done some background checks or personality tests, psych tests for these people they would be hiring who will be working on this vital mission.. maybe try and weed out the "professionals" who might jeopardise the entire mission by acting like complete fuck tards for no apparent reason. I mean these are the most capable scientists they can get from the entire fucking earth with its vast futuristic populous

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 4:08 a.m. CST

    A L I E N > P R O M E T H E U S > A L I E N S>ALIEN3

    by Nichole

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Good Lord, Prometheus is dope.

    by Nichole

    Internet losers go away, please. What the hell do you want. NERDS! In a bad sense. You wish you could make Prometheus.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 4:31 a.m. CST

    I am PRO-metheus.

    by adeceasedfan

    Prometheus IS dope, indeed.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 4:53 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Re: what was the true purpose of the Prometheus mission. Okay, I am going to have to be a bit less cryptic and more specific here. There are still way too many talk backers who didn't get it. Are you familiar with the legend of the Holy Grail? Or the fountain of eternal youth? Myths of immortality that go back through humanity and recur again and again. The clues are all in the film. The true purpose of the Prometheus mission was not to do science it was to try and grant one dying man the opportunity to cheat death. Prometheus was not a for all mankind mission where the best and the brightest were chosen. It was a black op. no one on earth would have known about it. A secret mission of the highest order staffed with weylands people. There are only 4 on the crew, 4 expendable scientists who have been brought along as extras on the off chance they will be useful, holloway, shaw, Millburn and fifield and it is these 4 that act as he audience surrogates.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 5:25 a.m. CST

    I'm both amused and saddened.

    by J.B.M.A.

    There are still people screeching about 'fanboys' and attempting to defend this heinous bucket of cat jism with awkward statements about how people in real life are stupid too. Well, yes, you certainly are if you can't see the problems with this kind of nonsense. At least cobra-kai is able to discuss the merits of the film without sounding like a total asshat.

  • It still doesn't make sense. If Weyland suspected an Engineer would be waiting for him on that planet, why bring ANYONE along, eve expendable people? And why scientists? One blogger I read (Gavin Rothery) speculated why bring ANY humans when you can crew with all Davids? Any trillionaire who was known the world over for his intellect and ambition would absolutely have hedged his bets by bringing the best biologists, geologists, etc., to ensure that the mission would be completed. Sorry, though we all found out why Weyland was aboard--as stupid as THAT was--I simply cannot buy that he brought stupid scientists just so David could test bio-weapons on them and let them be infested by space snakes.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 5:44 a.m. CST

    if lindeloff/ scott wanted to write a fountain of youth story

    by kimbers

    they should've just written their own rather than bastardise the existing script shoehorning in concepts that didnt fit with the narrative and overburdening 2 dimensional characters from an action movie with hackneyed wishy washy mysticism and motivations

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 6:08 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    The truth is that once you arrange a few of the jigsaw pieces it becomes clear that Weyland is the protagonist of PROMETHEUS. It's in the theatrical cut but... Its not handled well. However if you were to watch the full length TED speech prior to watching the movie... And we're to also see weylands two abridged deleted scenes back in then it becomes more explicit rather than implicit. Weyland really did get shafted in the edit room. Rumor has it of an additional deleted scene, filmed that has weyland on a yacht that isn't even on the 4 disc blu ray.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 6:12 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Alien fanatic, it's stated in the film that it was vickers who did most of the recruiting of the mission team. As a real world parallel think of it as more like the guys who take bodyguard jobs in shitholes like Iraq. They are usually failed Delta or SAS wannabes. Mercenaries motivated by money. That is the character type you have for fifield and Millburn. Someone willing to accept a shitty no question asked assignment.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 7:16 a.m. CST


    by nametaken

    purpose was whatever Weyland wanted, eternal life. to that end David did not care about the crew and wanted to understand what was going on with the planet. that meant experimentation.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Prometheus apologists/plants are pathetic

    by Volllllume3

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Sorry, Cobra, still not buying it. Not for a second.

    by AlienFanatic

    You have to contort yourself (and the story) just to make what you hope is a compelling argument that the backbone of the story was constructed well enough to support the narrative, but it wasn't. I don't care about un-filmed sequences, deleted scenes, or post-production commentary recorded by the writers or Ridley. ALL of that smacks of damage control by people who never had a clear idea of what they wanted the film to be. Vickers is Weyland's next in command. Even in the early draft it's made clear that she's set to take over Weyland's empire, but he forces her to come along. That doesn't sound like a woman used to hiring half-assed scientists. It also does NOTHING to explain why Holloway is such a moron throughout the film, since he and Shaw were the supposedly "brilliant" scientists who initiated the whole thing. If Lindelof/Spaights had really wanted to push home the whole angle that Weyland was the core of the film, why bring any other scientists along? Sorry, mercenary or no, there's no excuse for hiring scientists who couldn't find a job developing a new topping for Dairy Queen.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 8:27 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    alienfanatic, its a fair comment. To be honest, I gave the theatrical version of PROMETHEUS four stars out of five. Its only having seen it again on the 4 disc blu ray - with the addition of the deleted scenes, the viral scenes (particularly the TED speech and the David 8 advertisment), and the Furious Gods documentary - that I have given it that extra 5th star on the mark. As I said, currently PROMETHEUS is my fave film of 2012 although as a massive LOTR fan I hope and suspect that THE HOBBIT will claim the top spot come December! So if I had to be rigid and base it ONLY on the theatrical cut and nothing else then it probably wouldnt be my film of the year.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 8:31 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Luckily, film now exists in a more fluid form than it used to - and extended editions, deleted scenes and directors cuts really can give a film extra life. We saw it with LOTR Extended Editions, with THE ABYSS which was savaged by critics and then re-released to praise, and we saw it with Ridley's own KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. So I personally believe we SHOULD be able to take the extra things and scenes we see on blu ray into account when we make our final judgement on the quality of a film. Those that only saw PROMETHEUS on the theatrical cut really ought to give it another go on home release with all the extras - its ripe for re-evaluation!

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST


    by Epsilon

    Congratulations, you have convinced me you're the most ignorant person on this thread. Little buddy, don't try to compare your I.Q. with anyone else's; you're going to lose that fight every time. All I was trying to do was cheer up every sad nerd who feels Prometheus may have ruined his life. I don't go on the Transformers threads and tell every fan of that movie what a stupid fanboy/plant/whatever he is for liking it. I have been disappointed with many, many movies I've seen. I've probably even complained about one on a message board from time to time. But I've never felt the need to try to convince everyone else how bad it was. As for the people like you, the people who apparently have no other venue in their lives for pretending to be intellectually superior to others apart from these talkbacks ... well, as you said, I'm both saddened and amused. Granted, it provides great entertainment, but it's a little scary how much it frustrates you. At any rate, thanks for being a case study for my original argument — that there really are tons of ignorant, stupid people like you in the world.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    @cobra: RE: On the "real" world, and being way off the mark...

    by obijuanmartinez

    The idea that a corporate giant like Weyland Industries (or any company, irrespective of time / context) would undertake such a massive investment (the trillion dollars Charlize carped on), and not have trained these folks to act as a cohesive unit reveals a fundamental lack of understanding how the big-people world works. There would be layers of admin, project management, security, science, technical / IT, human resources (who would screen out Fifield in -30 seconds) - Not a bunch of half-frozen strangers, waking up 2 years from Earth saying, "Oh HI! YOU must be the geologist! We're going on an adventure! We're going on an adventure! We're going on an adventure! Tra-la-la-la! (Get the f**k OUT OF HERE) In the realm of Business Continuity / Disaster Recovery, the folks in Prometheus are swimming in single points-of-failure (single ship, thin science, engineering staff, etc.) something any business exec worth their mettle would recognize & take steps to remedy. I do realize this is a tale of fiction, but if you don't at least have the detailed trappings of verisimilitude & can't show a level of detail, then you lose significant impact. Prometheus is not even good science fiction - It's LAZY. You may want to familiarize yourself with the works of William Gibson, Isaac Asimov & Frank Herbert; they write / wrote GREAT works of sci-fi...

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Obijuan, you are right in what you say but you are wrong to apply it to PROMETHEUS. Once again you have misunderstood the true purpose of the mission. You think it was the briefing you got at the start of the film? That was the smokescreen. The Prometheus mission was a clandestine black op. No one knew about it. This wasn't a corporate jolly to promote Weyland industries in fact the company as one might imagine it would not even have known about it. Hell, even the crew didn't know what they were signing on for - so you think that the hr department and admin staff of Weyland would have been privy to this is ridiculous.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST


    by NoQuarter

    Be that as it may, if you consider the stakes (eternal life!) you'd think that Weyland would still want to hire some competent people for his clandestine operation. There is no reason for him to hire idiots, and there is every reason for him to be as careful and meticulous as possible. Even if he doesn't care about science or discovering new things, if he is going to bring scientists anyway, you'd think he would want to make sure those scientists weren't going to fuck everything up, no?

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Keep fighting the good fight, Dojo.

    by adeceasedfan

    I wish I had more to add other than Prometheus kicks ass, but you've got it under control.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    No quarter, it's amazing how many idiots do get hired IRL into important roles - without wanting to get political a certain President Dubya comes to mind! In ALIENS the marines also seem like an incredibly undisciplined and unruly mob to be sent on such an important mission. In PROMETHEUS some of the wtf moments of stupidity are lessened by the deleted scenes. It is shown why Holloway appears to be surly and drunk by one of the deleted scenes, and in another we see biologist Milburn actually discover the worm creature, which does partly inform his giddy reaction to the cobra creature. But really I think we just have to accept people doing stupid things in horror films... The whole genre is built around the audience squirming don't go in there, and then the character doing it!

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Adeceasedfan, thank you! But it's not hard to defend a good movie!

  • I love seeing people defend a movie with assertive, yet polite, comments. It's been said almost to the point of exhaustion that Prometheus is a divisive film, but it's nice when we can hold a debate that revolves around the elements of the film instead of attacks on the character of the people that disagree. It's like hanging out in the kitchen, talking quietly with other adults, before the kids come tearing into the room, crashing their fire truck into your ankle and screaming, "Hater! Fanboy hater!" Prometheus, even as written, could have been a much better film had they simply re-added many of the deleted scenes and gotten rid of the extra sequence with the monster facehugger. I'd LOVE to see a fan edit (since Ridley has made it clear he won't touch the print) that does exactly that. Imagine the film without the silly need to add the Deacon, but which instead picks up after the Dreadnought steamrolls Vickers. God, that might actually redeem Prometheus in many of our eyes.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST


    by NoQuarter

    I'm glad that the deleted scenes help improve some of the problems with the movie. I may rent Prometheus sometime and check them out, however I doubt that they would be enough to change my overall opinion, as I think the movie is fundamentally flawed (but who knows...).

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Cobra-Kai I ask again

    by spike fan

    Why was the Engineer asleep in his cryo tube when he was on HIS FUCKING SHIP. How did the crew/scientists come to the conclusion that the engineers wanted to kill us as well ? Since as you say you get I look forward to your awnsers

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Epsilon you are the most cowardly

    by spike fan

    I challenged you on your bullshit statement and you didnt have the guts to ackonweldge that you were full of shit. Now you have the nerve to insult somone else. Thats moral cowardice fella.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Sad that Ridley won't touch this film

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    He creates a Director's Cut for just about every film he makes, and yet Prometheus, the one film in his catalogue that actually needs it the most (as much as Kingdom of Heaven needed it), he won't even touch! Even after Fox requested it! More proof that the old man is senile.... Why would he release negligible Director's Cuts/ Extended Editions of films like Black Hawk Down and American Gangster that don't even require it, yet neglect this one?!

  • Clandestine or no, the rules of intelligent planning apply: Noah's Ark rules (2 of every failure-prone component / staff-member scenario) apply, and there'd be no shortage of capable talent - They wouldn't have to scrape the barrel for any facet of mission personnel (your allusion to Blackwater-esque mercs). I realize the hidden goal was for Monty Burns to extend his life - And he failed to plan adequately, a rookie mistake to be sure, and not one you'd expect from a mega-conglomerate CEO...

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST


    by J.B.M.A.

    Your previously argument re stupid people in the real world is trite and invalid, and what's more you know it (and if you don't, then no amount of blathering about I.Q. will help you). You weren't trying to offer anything new to the conversation - you just fancied throwing some sharkbait into the Nerd Pool to see who would bite. This painful wounded pride act about not visiting boards to 'convince everyone' how bad or good films are rings entirely hollow when you are on AICN engaged in trading sneery, patronising insults with boardmembers, which is just what you wanted to do in the first place. Well, I'm game... Much love Your 'Little Buddy'.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    *It's like hanging out in the kitchen, talking quietly with other adults, before the kids come tearing into the room, crashing their fire truck into your ankle* alienfanatic, lol! Great imagery, love it! noquarter, you definitely should check it out again on home release with the deleted material. I dont know if the 4 disc version with the FURIOUS GODS documentary is available for rental but if so try and get hold of that one. It's worth it for the amazing docu alone.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    spike fan, I dont think there is a definitive answer for why one Engineer is in the cryo pod. From what we know about them from the rest of the ALIEN movies it seems that once you're in them then you're pretty much locked in and at the mercy of the ship computer or whomever might release you. The Engineer might have been put in as quarantine from the others or they might have all been about to leave the planet together perhaps - all we know is that something catastrophic happened to them (a Xenomorph outbreak are what the clues point too) and that it also befell them very fast. How did we come to the conclusion that they wanted to kill us? When they realized that the Derelict was a war bomber carrying a massive payload of bioweapons and on a course to Earth.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    obijuan, with respect I think you are being a bit too pedantic about the crew not being good enough. These guys were signing up for a mission to take years off their lives and one so secret that they couldnt be told what it was until they arrived. I think Fifield's growling introduction where he says hes only there for the money makes it clear that these are blackwater merc types rather than the brightest and the best. However even if they were the brightest and the best there is still every chance that they would fuck up. Im a big fan of the Apollo missions... and those astronauts really genuinely were the brightest and the best that we could put up there. And did they ever fuck up? Oh yes, multiple fuck ups on every single mission!

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST

    It's always entertaining to see apologists

    by ObiBen

    doing back flips, awkwardly contorting and bending reality in their attempts to defend bad material. It's a bit like Cirque du Soleil. Prometheus is to Alien what the prequels are to Star Wars.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    turd, Fox released a vanilla version and a deluxe version of PROMETHEUS on blu ray. I expect they saw the extra material they had for the 4 disc was so strong that they decided they didnt need to launch all their fireworks at once. Now that they know they are going ahead with PARADISE I suspect Fox are holding back the super duper Extended version to release ahead of that. Seems like the smart play from a business pov (even if it does piss me off a bit!).

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST

    ridley wont ever re-edit, yeah right

    by kimbers

    give it a few years and he'll cg in some a small bead of milky sweat down charlizes forehead so he can bring her back as an android seriously weve sen it with plenty of formerly brilliant film makers

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Keep fighting the good fight, Cobra-Kai!

    by D.Vader

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Spike Fan, the sleeping engineer

    by D.Vader

    Why wouldn't he be asleep? They were escaping a possible infection/bio-weapon. Putting himself in quarantine and sleeping till the danger wears off sounds like a good idea to me.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST

    @ vader

    by kimbers

    sleeping while a bunch of xenomorphs are rampaging around?

  • In that situation having a nap and hoping for the best seems staggeringly unwise. We know how that worked out for Ripley at the beginning of Alien 3... The Engineer is asleep so that he can be 'discovered' by the Prometheus crew. I'll buy whatever rational Ridley has for that (it doesn't trouble me like most of the stuff in the film) but lets be honest - it's a mechanic of the script.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST

    And that speaks for so much of the material in the film.

    by J.B.M.A.

    Every film needs event, situations, characters that move the plot forward, but so much of what occurred in Prometheus feels like obvious backward justification for what the filmmakers wanted to happen in the next scene or twelve. So much of it doesn't seem to come from strong story writing which it really should.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    I completely disagree about the deleted scenes adding rationality to the characters' actions. Take Holloway, for instance. What kind of archaeologist says "it's just another tomb" and whines about how it hasn't anything to teach us? They LIVE for that shit. Saying it on Earth would have been bad enough, but in the first extraterrestrial tomb ever discovered? On another world? Oh, so that's why he was drinking.... No, sorry, I'm never going to buy that.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 3:58 p.m. CST

    As for the marines in Aliens...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...they're unruly and undisciplined because they're used to never running up against any opponent worthwhile. The only extraterrestrial life they seem familiar with are relatively harmless creatures (of the infamous "bug hunts", one presumes) which they kill outright or have sex with ("Arcturian poontang"). Furthermore, nobody believes Ripley's story. Burke has a suspicion, but he still thinks they'll be tough enough to deal with it. As far as they're comcerned, they're not running up against the unknown, whereas the Prometheus crew KNOWS it's treading virgin territory for humans.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Sorry, fuckoffchristophernolannuthuggers...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...I'm not buying into your line either. A movie declaring how dumb it is before it's even out of the gate can't be faulted for being dumb. Avengers was dumb and didn't hide it. That's not the definition of a cop-out. A cop-out is when a movie says "I'm going to ask deep and profound questions regarding who we are and where we came from and wrap it in a smart SF package inna 2001 stylee" and then turns out to be just as moronic as The Avengers.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    That's a good point about AvP, though I think its more an homage to ALIENS (which AvP was also trying to do). Of course, the "hardass" in Prometheus turned out to be hardly that.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST

    re deleted scenes

    by DocPazuzu

    I did prefer the original Fyfield zombie scene. The monster design was creepier and they alluded to the fact that it had burrowed its way back to the ship which was even more disturbing (and believable) than trundling (unnoticed) across the open terrain.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    another problem with Prometheus

    by systemsbroom

    Is highlighted by this script. The movie wants to have the alien eggs (or xfiles blackoil) be some sort of doomsday weapon. So doomsday-ish, in fact, that it kills off all the engineers, and was going to be used to kill off humanity ZOMG! But the aliens/blackoil are not particularly good weapons, unless you are unprepared for them, or you are forced to fight them in close quarters in the dark. They are killed rather easily with gunfire. They can't fly, they can't shoot, and they don't employ any technology. Zombie Fifield mindlessly attacks people in the airlock, but he could have killed the entire crew (if that was his goal) by, say, mucking with the life support system for the ship after it had taken off. The script makes this whole thing even more ridiculous. The engineers have bulletproof suits (so do the humans, by the way), and have crazy energy weapons that waste the humans easily. Why would such beings succumb to monsters, even if they have slashy claws and double-jaws? It's best to keep Alien as Alien, and not try to elevate it to metaphysical-level concerns with creation and species-wide destruction.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST

    If they WERE xenomorphs, kimbers

    by D.Vader

    Are we talking script or movie?

  • In Spaiht's original script, the sleeping engineer had been impregnated with a chestburster embryo. In that script, here's a moment where the "sleeper" speaks to David and asks them why they woke him and also states that he's going to die because of it (or something similar). From the movie, I'd say Cobra--Kai is exactly right. The holo recording showed a group of Engineers running from something. They didn't show what of course but they did show the last straggler stumble and fall and finally get clipped by the door. I don't think it's reaching to suggest that this last engineer was infected with something and running to to the other engineers (not necessarily after them but perhaps seeking help). Some of this bears out later when the Prometheus and crew arrive, considering they see those "growths" on it's head prior to the reanimation sequence. So, the idea here is that last engineer from the holo (the one that was decapitated) was actually infected and probably going through some type of biological change (not unlike Fifield or Holloway). The other engineers were running either away from that engineer or perhaps all of them were infected and they were running to the sleep chamber. Their 'hypersleep' chamber may have been a way to halt that infection completely not unlike Parker suggested to Ashe and Dallas in 'Alien' "Why don't you guys freeze him?" with regard to Kane with the facehugger attached. Given, in Prometheus, that the planet was some type of 'outpost' (military/scientific/both), it stands to reason that this may have been their emergency protocol and that they'd either go unreported and/or have some format where another engineer crew checks in and would, presumably, find the sleeping engineers and their infected condition. Oh yeah, obviously the crashed "Juggernaut" on the planet, the one that smushed Vickers cannot be the same one in Alien (it may be LV-426 but it's not the same ship). One reason of many: the one in Alien had the engineer, aka 'Space Jockey' die from a chestburster in its chair and, of course, in Prometheus, he goes after Shaw and dies in Vicker's habitat. In Spaiht's draft, he actually is the Space Jockey as, if I remember correctly, he does get into the "chair/gun' thing and dies there moments later via chestburster (just after setting the 'Juggernaut' on a course for Earth with its deadly "genocide" bio-weapon cargo, etc).

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Re: kgersen

    by ArmageddonProductions

    Really?</p><p> 1) So, naturally, the first thing some heartless "greed-is-good" company would do with our first contact with a potentially (and, as it turns out, demonstrably) uncontrollable alien species is decide to weaponize it?!? AND AGAINST WHO?!? While we might be experimenting with lizard proteins and bee venom and whatnot, we sure as fuck aren't primarily using it to kill our enemies. Why would we need to do this in the future?!? As it turns out in ALIENS, the future guys don't even have weapons to just deal with the aliens, let alone domesticate or capture and study the goddamn things! They wind up resigning themselves to the ol' "let's nuke Japan" option that's been around since 1945. Also ... why be coy about it?!? If we had a space colony on Mars being financed by Microsoft or Haliburton, and there was suddenly the discovery of a hostile, nearly indestructible organism that could wipe out mankind, do you honestly think Haliburton's gonna be able to cover this shit up from the government?!? And what would happen to Haliburton if the government (a.k.a., whoever's in charge of the Colonial Marines) found out they were sacrificing Army dudes for a quick development buck?</p><p> 2) I'm going by the whole series, not just by ALIEN (I WISH I could just go by ALIEN ...). According to the overall arc of the series, they knew about dangerous aliens in that area for a loooooong time by the time they diverted the Nostromo there. And even if you go by just ALIEN ... how the fuck do you explain Ash? Or the Company directive? Or the fact that the Company obviously has the same computer technology as the Nostromo, and would have known about the beacon and what it was saying long before diverting the Nostromo there. Or the fact that, they're picking up an alien beacon, let's not divert the space-faring oil-rig drivers, let's send in a special team! Like we did with Prometheus!</P><p> 3) See 2. They already knew. Even if you go by ALIENS (specifically, the deleted scene where Burke tells Newt's parents to check out the coordinates where the Nostromo encountered the derelict, which is how the colony got infected in the first place), they knew well in advance of sending the Marines. In fact, they even knew why nobody heard from the LV-426 colony. So, instead of some fucked up plan where one ill-equipped Company dude and a squad of disbelieving grunts led by a completely inexperienced commander and risk potentially botching the whole thing, why not send in a fucking FLEET of heavily armed soldiers backing a huge team of specialists who are completely aware of what they're probably gonna encounter when they get there? After all, the Sneaky Pete maneuver (ALIEN) already didn't work.</p><p> 4) Why did they need a "weasel", period?!? How about "We're the Company, we have a stake in this, back up our shit and we'll use whatever we find to develop weaponized aliens or whatever?!?" At this point, being coy about it, after hundreds of people are already assumed dead, is a waste of time on many levels. Main one being: we have a huge fucking reactor down there that could go critical, especially with those Marines firing shit at aliens! Fuck the money guy, let's all sit down at the big table and figure the best way to proceed here!</p><p> 5) As of the end of ALIENS, they knew all about the xenomorph life cycle. For that matter, they also were acutely aware that the big-ass alien queen, having just survived the vacuum of space hitching a ride up to the Sulaco on the lander, IS STILL FLOATING AROUND OUTSIDE THE GODDAMN SHIP and is, demonstrably, still alive. Who knows what the hell else is on that derelict? Who the fuck was able to pilot the Sulaco back? Since the alien queen managed to slip onboard without no one noticing until it was too late, might it not have behooved everyone to do one final sweep-and-clear, at least, before returning to the freezers for the journey home? There's a seriously-injured guy and a fucking kid on board, for God's sake! And why not make sure there's ZERO eggs onboard, you know, so the point of the Company NOT getting their hands on xenomorph shit is maintained? (none of this still answers the question of how the fuck an egg got onboard, anyway, the entire premise of ALIEN 3. Maybe it was dropped in there earlier, as sort of an alien Fuck-You-Charlie?).

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 6:23 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    armageddon, oh dear you crossed the line! I've been here defending PROMETHEUS but I cant defend ALIENS and ALIEN 3 too! The big old alien egg sitting in clear sight in the spaceship at the start of ALIEN 3 is of course far more ridiculous and stoopid than Vickers running away (in a straight line) from a crashing spaceship behind her. But... And yes *the company* knew exactly that LV-426 colony was overrun with Aliens but they still sent in the yahoo marines unprepared - why not send ten times that number of *fully briefed* troops? But... At the end of the day I really enjoy PROMETHEUS, ALIENS and ALIEN 3 - nitpicking a sci-fi film apart is a fools game - I can live with them just as they are!

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Re: cobra--kai

    by ArmageddonProductions

    No defense needed! ALIEN is one of my top ten all-time favorite movies, and ALIENS ain't far behind (i personally can't defend the other three) ... I was just citing the overall "nonsense" issue in the ALIEN universe. Really, ANY classic movie/series of movies won't stand up long to logical scrutiny, but it says enough about them that it only comes up in retrospect. Usually.

  • Nov. 15, 2012, 3:10 a.m. CST

    re: armageddonproductions

    by KGersen

    1) How do we know W-Y and possibly other megacorps have not tried to weaponise alien life forms? Maybe it's all the rage? And how do we know the relationship between corporations and governments in the future? Maybe corps are extremely powerful, relative to govts, run their own black ops etc. Nothing in Alien or Aliens defies logic in this matter. Simple usual sci-fi fare, extrapolating from the now and postulating about tech advances and societal issues in the future. 2) Going just by ALIEN - W-Y appears to have programmed Ash, it's property on the ship, to react to any signal of possible alien origin by exploring it, and it states explicitly with crew to be expendable. Ash wants to study the organism and take it back to W-Y, under his now overriding mission directive, which leads him override all safety protocols. Re W-Y and why not send some army unit, not space truckers, again Nostromo is the nearest unit they own to the signal, off they send it. One good thing about Alien and Aliens is that it deals with the enormity of space, the time to get anywhere and the cost - it does assume a typical sci-fi McWidget of FTL communication however. Prometheus can't even get the enormity of space right, 'half a billion miles' remember? Won't even put you outside our solar system. 3) Yes W-Y knew from Ash's transmission that there was an alien ship on LV-426. They then deliberately sent colonists there. But then for somewhere less than 50+ years Ripley was floating in hypersleep, nothing happened. Burke then send Newt's parents, you're correct. As they were only sent once Ripley was found suggests that W-Y only started taking the alien ship idea seriously again when she confirmed it, even though they basically told her get lost. And then contact with the colony is lost. I agree that at this stage, why not send a fuckload of the toughest troops you can find. Could it be a combination of cost of space travel plus underestimation of the enemy? I mean we've never done that before right, underestimated the enemy, sent in too few troops, got our arses kicked? 4) Why did we need a weasel? Because it shows W-Y to be a sneaky scumbag corporate populated by weasels. They don't want to share, they are happy to treat the plebs as cannon-fodder and they want all the goodies at the cheapest cost. Again a standard fiction trope, ever seen Blade Runner? Also an effective plot device. 5) Only Ripley was left at the end of Aliens, knackered, on the whole Sulaco to do a 'final sweep-and-clear'. Totally understandable she may have missed an alien egg. Could be anywhere in theory. Btw have just watched Furious Gods. Great making off documentary, well worth watching...but...just makes me sadder really, the amount of heartfelt effort from so many talented people, especially the design team, wasted on a poor script. And Lindelof states it was him and Ridley Scott who effectively did the re-write together. Also interesting when the design team says they were initially horrified that the Space Jockey was actually a big dude in a suit. But RC was insistent. And Spaight states 'how could we relate to the Space Jockey? We couldn't, they were too strange. So they must be us but our creators'....urgh....

  • Nov. 15, 2012, 4:23 a.m. CST

    That doesn't hold water, cobra.

    by DocPazuzu

    If WY were that adamant about finding out what was on LV-426 they would have sent other expeditions after losing contact with the Nostromo. The events in Aliens take place almost 60 years after Alien. Obviously, the company tools in the hearing aren't lying about their ignorance regarding LV-426 and the fate of the Nostromo. Most likely is the scenario that a corporation as vast as WY (spread as it is over an X number of solar systems) is full of secrets, back-stabbing, classified information and all manner of cloak-and-dagger amongst the employees and managers on every level. It's not likely that the LV-426 file is known to everyone in charge in WY. It was probably filed away somewhere for later processing and was simply buried in the minutiae of running an interstellar corporation. If I'm not mistaken, Burke was the only one who took Ripley seriously and it was his "bad call" to send prospectors out to the probable whereabouts of the derelict. He acted on his own initiative in order to make a name for himself within WY by discovering and securing an Alien. The marines weren't sent by WY in order to pacify aliens, they were sent to investigate why the colony had gone silent. "Dumbass colonists" one of the jarheads remarks at one point, indicating that this was to be a familiar and tedious job. Also, you might recall that LV-426 didn't even have a name in Alien since it hadn't officially been "discovered" yet. It was just an anonymous planetoid among (presumably) hundreds of thousands in the traveled part of the galaxy. There's no telling if WY knew that LV-426 was THAT planetoid before Ripley returned. By then, the terraforming colony had been established and the current leadership of WY had no reason to put any stock in Ripley's story since the colony had existed there for years without incident.

  • Nov. 15, 2012, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Re: kgersen (Again)

    by ArmageddonProductions

    I agree, I don't think Scott had any interest in doing an ALIEN prequel, and the changes to the ENGINEERS script were things he wanted in order to make it "ALIEN 'D.N.A.', not necessarily a 'prequel'". By being this coy, it sort of messes up the whole overlying arc of the ALIEN series. It was a lot better if you started with ALIEN and thought it might just be a random encounter with a completely unknown lifeform and a rich backstory (the derelict) that remained an utter mystery.</p><p> One thing that I can't stress enough: ALIEN: ENGINEERS was NOT a "polished" script. It never got that far on its own, so we'll never know what this particular storyline could have been had they just polished what they had, instead of Lindelof coming onboard and, instead of polishing it like you'd assume he would have before changing stuff around, just added an extra layer of crap to it.</p><p> Whether anybody liked PROMETHEUS or not, I think it assigned something to the ALIEN series that didn't need to be there. ALIEN was the quintessential "man meets alien" movie, ALIENS was the Eighties' "let's solve everything with machine guns" aesthetic, and even the lesser two sequels never attempted to put something into it that was never meant to be there. It would be like having a HALLOWEEN sequel where we find out Jesus created Michael Myers to scare people into going to church.</p><p> And if they wanted to do something with the Space Jockey, I can't imagine why they didn't decide to go with the excellent Dark Horse Comics' ALIENS storyline, other than they vast amount of money it would have cost.

  • Nov. 15, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Just finished reading it

    by photoboy

    I don't think the script differs enough from the finished film to really make any difference to the overall problems that were inherent in the premise. I also noticed that it doesn't seem to set things up properly for Alien anyway, i.e. there's no explanation for how the repeating distress beacon was set up that the Nostromo detected. Maybe we're supposed to see the signal from the pyramids at the end as the distress signal but the crashed ship is too far from the pyramids to be homed in on by the Nostromo crew. Maybe the Engineer ship started sending a signal automatically when it crashed, although that would negate the point/significance of the pyramid signal! I did like that killing Fifield seemingly explained the melted hole in the floor of the space jockey chamber in Alien. It also strains credibility that the Hadley's Hope colonists didn't fully survey the planet before settling. You'd think they would notice a few giant pyramids! Then again they didn't spot the jockey ship either. Also, the Engineers' terraforming technology is a bit crap. It took Weyland-Yutani 10 years to make LV-426 fully breathable and warm enough not to need an environment suit. The Engineer terraforming pyramid had been there centuries and could only manage to keep the pyramids breathable inside! While the film version of Prometheus was lacking in many ways, I do think setting it on a different planet was a good way of avoiding any continuity problems with Alien. That said, it was pretty obvious from the ending to Prometheus that the ending was originally meant to set up Alien and that it was changed last minute to set up a sequel instead.

  • Nov. 24, 2012, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Finally read it. Largely agree with Darth Macchio

    by smudgewhat

    The original script clears up so many questions about the motivations of characters in Prometheus. Like why is the Engineer so angry upon being wakened? Answer: in the draft he's in stasis b/c he's been impregnated by a face hugger. David's motives are clearer on draft: he's given a protocol to eliminate Hollowoy & Shaw if alien tech is found. In the movie it's less certain: is he just malicious? Why? They tried to keep a few of the cool events from the draft but then disconnect it from being an actual direct prequel to Alien which then gives it a ton of implications of a connection but veers away from being the same moon at the last minute. Jarring and confusing. The inclusion of Weyland on the ship was a huge mistake. Having him played by an actor half his age added to the fakery. I consider the movie a noble failure. Ridley didn't seem to see how problematic the final script was, or didn't care. I fear the latter. But it is exquisite to look at and there are fantastic moments. But as a whole the story just doesn't add up because its really two stories in conflict with each other. A shame.