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The Walking Dead 3.5 FAQ

What’s it called?
“Say The Word.”

Who’s responsible?
Teleplay is credited to Angela Kang (“Terriers”).

What says AMC?
“After another loss, Rick struggles. Michonne remains suspicious of the Governor as he throws a party with a unique twist for the people of Woodbury.”

Do Rick and the other prison folk wander around all hour having long talks about how much they’ve lost and how hopeless everything is?
No! That late-season-two horseshit is gone! Did you see Rick went after that axe in the promo?

The first four episodes of the season have been spectacular. The streak must end here, am I right?
The streak does not end tonight. As far as I’m concerned? “Walking Dead” is five for five this season.

Does the episode start with a flashback?
The episode starts with a small girl chasing a dog.

The big news?
The Governor may be batshit crazy, but I felt for the man as I watched tonight’s teaser.

What else is AMC not telling us?
 Sarah Wayne Callies is listed in the opening credits of the screener I saw. The song in 3.5 is better than the song in 3.1. Hint via invisotexted anagram.  Patriarchal deigns musty.

Do Andrea and/or Michonne catch up with Rick and Lor … er, group this week?
They do not.

What of Merle?
Some will ask tonight: “How old is Michael Rooker again?” (Answer: He turns 58 in April.)

What’s good?
A lot! The Governor’s secrets. Rick and that axe. And we learn what makes Michonne smile …

What’s not so good?
The nerd’s call for a 10-day delay is absurd.

How does it end, spoiler-boy?
With a ring.

9 p.m. Sunday. AMC.

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  • Lucky bass

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Holy Shit, Norman Reedus is 43

    by MrWonka

    It always bugged me a little that Daryl and Merle are brothers, and it's implied they're, at most, say 12 years apart. I though it was ridiculous because I assumed Norman Reedus was like 35, and Michael Rooker was close to 60. But they're only 15 years apart in real life! That's crazy.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 5:24 a.m. CST


    by Chris

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 5:26 a.m. CST

    Carl never finished Lori off last week

    by alan_poon

    We never actually saw him put on in her brain so I have a feeling Rick is in for another kick in the guts tonight.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 6:04 a.m. CST

    i need 2 more

    by matoichi

    three graves - so Carol didnt make it either?

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice... ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

    by Jonathan

    I'm officially re-invested back into the show. Hopefully the quality won't ever go back into the pooper like it did in Season 2. >_<

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 6:56 a.m. CST

    A little Nichole Beattie appreciation, please!

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    It's no coincidence her joining TWD has coincided with the most improved tv show in tv history.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 7:13 a.m. CST

    Regarding the "how does it end"...

    by keyserSOZE

    I'm going to go ahead and guess that, considering one of the other tidbits in Herc's review, Rick finds a phone. I hope not, because I was not a fan of that part of the comics...but just making a wild stab here.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Prepare to have your minds blown...

    by TopHat

    "Rick" was in LOVE ACTUALLY. He played the guy who falls for Keira Knightley. Ka-Boom.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 7:44 a.m. CST

    i posted spoilers...

    by Richard

    In last weeks thread again. I figure its better that way so no one can complain about accidentally stumbling on them. You have to purposefully go looking for them :P Enjoy.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 7:52 a.m. CST

    I feel somewhat torn with liking this show...

    by The Dum Guy

    I'm not disliking it, but I found the first part of season 2 so boring, I didn't bother watching the rest of the season until it was all over. This season is good, but after what happend with Lost.... I'm not sure I can trust another show again. On similar, but side note, I watched all of the first season of Fringe and some of the 2nd and then I just stopped. I caught the newest episode on Friday, and I have no idea what the hell is going on. Joshua Jackson's character is now essentially Neo!?

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Holy shit that guy is Rick

    by eric haislar

    I love love actually I never put those two together.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST

    This is the perfect show for Republicans.

    by Smerdyakov

    Humorless people with guns blowing the heads off the rapacious needy poor.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Lots of sobbing haters say a tearful goodbye to Ric's wife

    by Marc Cerasini

    And smerdyakov, you are a fucktard. You'll be in a bread line in five years with the rest of the folks under thirty who WILL NEVER HAVE JOBS.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Andrew Lincoln's Performance..

    by pumaman

    Last week should earn the man a fucking Emmy. Not only has he nailed the southern drawl, but he is actually a soft-spoken Englishman. Now, why can't HE be the new Han Solo!? A brilliant actor.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Anagram is...

    by LordBond

    Mr. Saturday Night Special. For what it's worth.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Can't imagine Carol is dead

    by theGoldbergV

    Actually quite like what they've done with her and if she did die it would make T-Dog's sacrifice kinda pointless. By the way, is there a more improved show on right now than TWD? Last week's episode was just awesomely devastating. Makes Breaking Bad seem like fluffy romcom

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Using an accent is acting?

    by Carmen A

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST


    by buttsey57

    By that logic it's also the perfect show for Democrats... The poor, ever-growing, mindless, lawless masses - unable to care for themselves - slowly draw the lifeblood from those arrogant bastards who are 'lucky' enough to survive on their own until there are none left and all that remain are the brain-eating herd. Talk about social justice! The zombies are free to re-distribute the wealth of fresh non-zombie brains to those that deserve them! On top of that, all corporations, armies, banks, debt and pollution have been eliminated! McDonald's cant force Rick to cram Big Macs down his kid's throat two at a time anymore! They should do an episode that talks about how the Ozone Layer is coming back and thats why they dont get burned eben though they dont have sunscreen! It's the Progressive Utopia! Or maybe it's just an above average show about killin' zombies n stuff. Come to think of it, perhaps that's why the show is so popular, it's got a little bit for everyone...

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST

    octoburn which site do you get your info from.

    by rakesh patel

    c'mon man do me a solid.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST

    How it Ends

    by SamBlackChvrch21

    Just a guess, but Glenn proposes marriage to Maggie

  • Were we watching the same show? The first half had barely any zombie kills (which doesn't really bother me that much). The second half finally picked it up and gave us some great zombie action. Hell, just look at the "18 Miles Out" episode. The scenes with Rick and Shane in that episode.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    All of you who complain about the FIRST half of S2 crack me up

    by Monroville

    You know, at least they did have something going on. The looking for Sophia was simply the reason for them to legitimately stay at the farm, with the subtext being them thinking about taking the place over. Every episode had something going on, be it the "Shane shooting Otis" twist or Darryl seeing his brother. The thing is: when they FOUND Sophia and had the 10 minute shoot-out at the barn, the episode should have ended with Rick simply saying "We are leaving." Next episode you have Herschell going into the barn, where you find out the ulterior reason he kept them in there was that is where he kept the booze (none of that leaving his family to go into town BS). End of episode Andrea or Dale sees treeline and fields lined with zombies. Next episode happens in real time (60 minutes) with the farm attacked and the house going up in flames. You could still have the confrontation in the town bar, minus the stupid "taking the kid back alive just so we can go back-and-forth about killing him." They could have had more zombies as they are back on the run out on the road and still had it end with them discovering the jail. The biggest problem with the second half of S2 is that after the barn shoot-out there is really no reason for them to stay. There time was up and you could tell, as the characters went through the motions for no other reason than just to hang around. Lori driving off on her own (while pregnant) and not telling anyone? Random zombie out of nowhere making her wreck the car, whereupon she gets out and starts walking towards the town (which she has no idea how far away it is)?!? Dale walking out ALONE at NIGHT and randomly gets killed while everyone just kind of mumbles as they off him (which, while not quite as bad, is the same issue I have with Lori's death... I feel they should have saved her death for later and built it up a little better. As it stands, the actress was almost saying "I want off the show so kill me as quickly as possible." No begging Carl to go get dad, or not look at her or ANYthing. Wouldn't seeing your mom at 8 to 12 being gutted [essentially] make you a little traumatized)? How can anyone say the second half was even "as" good when that was when characters started getting goofy stupid in their actions (Rick wastes those 2 guys in the bar pretty quickly, but wastes a ton of ammo to save a teen who has a fencepost sticking out of his leg)? At least up till that point you COULD justify most of the things they were doing. By that second half of S2, people were doing dumb-ass things just to create drama and move the plot.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST


    by DukeTogo84

    SPOILERS There have been spoilers floating the web for nearly a whole week. Are they true? Well I guess we'll find out tonight. Still if they are true, we should see The Governor's daughter tonight, Merle in some WWF wrestling aganist zombies, Rick taking out Lori The Zombie, and Rick getting a phone call at the very end.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST

    iZombie and Hamlet Z

    by ElPalabraUltimo

    This season of Walking Dead seems to be the best yet...or maybe it's just that I'm so incredibly happy to see Laurie gone that I'm giddy...but in general, I think things have taken a definite upswing in terms of quality. I'm actually excited about this season, and I've been pretty critical of the show in the past. I'm a little bummed out that iZombie hasn't gotten more attention. I think that Allred's art on the book is really awesome, and despite a somewhat annoying narrator, I think it's a compelling story, and while it's not quite as amazing as Walking Dead, I'd like to see a little more attention on this book. And finally, it's no surprise that it hasn't gotten a lot of attention given that it's a tougher read, but for fans of literate horror you can't go wrong with Hamlet Z, an incredibly well written integration of zombies into Shakespeare's play. The cool thing about it is, the guy is writing in Shakespearean language, and the revisions blend seamlessly into the original. The idea that the murder of the King by his brother was an atrocity so repellant to God that it ruptured the cosmic order in a kind of Lovecraftian way really grabbed me. It's definitely worth a look, especially for free since a big chunk of the first act is available for free on Amazon.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Actually the perfect political analogy to TWD is the Middle East

    by GreatOne4

    Because of the zombie apocalypse, the social order has broken down. All laws and constitutions are out the window while society struggles to regain its footing. In a world like this, only dictatorial leadership will work. The zombies, obviously, can't be reasoned with, and each group of survivors has developed into clan that distrusts outsiders and scrapes to gain supplies and security. The Rule of Law cannot possibly exist in such a society until order can be re-established. Same thing we see in Middle Eastern countries. Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Egypt all needed strong, vicious dictators to control the Islamofacist hordes. Afghanistan has very little government to speak of and their people essentially live a clan-like existence like in TWD. That's where Bush screwed up big-time - these people are not ready for self-government. Trying to install that type of system without the necessary security from the Islamofacists essentially allowed the zombies to take over, which they now have in Libya and Egypt, with Syria soon to join them. Iraq appears to be surviving, but don't know for how long. Not a perfect analogy by any means, I grant that. But it wasn't meant to be doctoral dissertation, either.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST


    by Bass Ackwards

    It has not been established, and I think its been hinted it that there's more then a good chance the baby IS Shane's.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST

    I found season 2 as a whole pretty bland

    by Bass Ackwards

    First half second half comparisons seem drawn up just to try to figure out where you align yourself in the whole Darabont debacle, season 2 had some sparks, but as a whole, first half AND second half, it wasn't much above mediocre. That said, to disagree with monroville on two points, I don't think there was any reason for them to say they needed to leave the barn after finding Sophia (they were at what they thought was a safe location that they could control, why would they decide they need to head back on the road?). And Dale wandering around on his own didn't feel out of the blue boneheaded to me, just because of where his character was at that point in his head (angry and isolated from the group). But as for Lori's car crash, yes, absolutely dreadful and stupid, I actually stopped watching the show at the point and only recently caught up with the last episodes since they're on netflix and since I'm so thoroughly enjoying season 3 I thought I'd go back.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Bass Ackwards: a few counterpoints

    by Monroville

    First, we can all agree that the second season could have been better. But my point about them leaving after Sophia getting shot would be 2 factors: the firing squad would have attracted the hoard far more than the single gunshot later in the season. Another reason would simply be that Rick would see the writing on the wall: if they stayed they would eventually have to kill Herschell and his family (Shane even hinted at it). Being that Rick hadn't gone into the territory he is in now, he would not have been willing to go that distance, not at that moment in the show. Second, as far as Dale, yeah he would want some alone time... in the RV. NOBODY would be stupid enough to go wandering around alone "at night" without having someone else to watch your back. You may not think it was stupid, but considering how safe Dale played it until that episode, that was completely out of character for Dale to put himself into that situation. Even then, the only reason he was isolated from the group was because the writers made it that way... if anything, AFTER the barn massacre I am surprised Dale didn't grow a pair and blurt out what Shane did (you know, having the whole group there to protect him and all). Shane's character should have changed/mellowed out after realizing that it takes more than anger, a loud voice and a gun to be the leader (once again it's up to Rick to make the difficult decisions like shoot Sophia). My overall point is that even for those who hate the 1st half of S2, the show could have been salvaged pretty damn easy without having to blow up the budget or keeping them on the farm. Whether it was Rick realizing that his group was at a turning point that put Herschell's family in danger, and/or the zombie herd appears in the following episode to essentially make their decision for them... regardless, there was NO FUCKING REASON for them to still be at that farm from a storytelling perspective. They blew their hospitality and put Herschell into a situation where he might try to kill them for protection, and the gunfire would have brought too much attention from the living and the dead not long afterwards.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    monroville - comic book spoilers

    by Bass Ackwards

    I don't think its been established that the group realize gun shots attract hordes yet, they know the noise gets the ones immediately around to come in, but it hasn't been figured out that after firing lots of shots/loud noises it will attract a horde of zombies from far off distances (and it could be argued that the horde in the season finale WAS attracted by the firing squad at the barn and they had been slowly making their way to them ever since). Otherwise they'd be figuring on leaving the prison by now after last week's episode. In the comic, this (seemingly obvious) bit of information didn't dawn on the group until AFTER the storyline with the prison and the governor. That said, I don't disagree with your overall points, I was no fan of having an entire season at the farm (even half a season felt like too much), I just disagree that their stay didn't make sense, they established Herschel realized he needed the protection of Rick so he wasn't a threat, and the barn still seemed like a safe haven (because again, the idea of a horde coming isn't something that's been established knowledge). From a character perspective I can see how it makes sense, from a storytelling perspective (in the sense of simply telling a good story), you're right, it overextended the storyline and forced the writers to create filler which usually involves making characters do stupid stuff, getting them off the barn earlier would have given the writers and the characters more interesting things to do (like seeing how the group developed from noobs to being the professional zombie killers they were in the season 3 opener could have probably made for some good episodes). I imagine I'm being a bit more forgiving to the second season since I took a big break from watching the show after being frustrated by it before returning to it this year.

  • Dude, see a psychiatrist. Please.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST

    It wasn't the baby that killed Lori, either.

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    It was her genetic bad luck, and not having a decent doctor around. Oh, and that prisoner who released the zombies and caused the situation in the first place. Y'know, if I actually here someone in the same room say, "that was soooo cool seeing Lori get cut open!", I'm going to punch them. Anyone who got a kick out of that and wasn't disturbed is fucked in the head.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST

    What a shitty way to meet your daughter...

    by Billyeveryteen

    My heart bleeds. Adieu Lori.

  • This is how you turn a show around.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 5:56 p.m. CST

    hardboiled wonderland

    by DVaderRIP

    I totally agree with you. So many people in here are totally fucked in the head. I have no doubt that some people on this thread would have been furiously wanking their cocks during the entire C-Section scene, which is serious FUCKING disturbing.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 5:57 p.m. CST


    by DVaderRIP

    Get a fucking edit button you clowns.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST

    dvaderrip, yeah that c-section/mercy killing scene had me shaking for days.

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    I haven't experienced that since the fight scenes from Saving Private Ryan, I swear that film gave me post-traumatic-stress syndrome. Which funnily enough I remember during the scene where they release the captured German soldier to make his own way through a mine field, there was a guy sitting in the audience behind me who was laughing all the way through that scene and quietly muttering to himself, "boom!" Reminds me of some talkbackers, who are probably chan regulars.

  • It's like watching Requiem For A Dream or The Basketball Diaries for a fun Saturday afternoon.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST

    The Ring Spoilers... or just a guess. Whatever.

    by SuperXY

    I'm guessing the ring is either Rick's phone or the Gov's big "ring." That's what I was really looking forward to.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST

    superxy, you just put the wrong image in my head. Please get it out! o_O

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    "The Gov's big ring." Thanks man, I did not want to envisage that! Merle's in the scene too, for some odd reason. ;-)

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST

    hardboiled wonderland

    by DVaderRIP

    I remember going to see "Open Range" - a film I still maintain is one of the great westerns of the modern era - and there were a couple of idiots laughing during the denoument. Put me off going to the cinema for some time.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 7:47 p.m. CST

    hardboiled wonderland

    by Xiphos_2

    a movie gave you "post traumatic stress disorder"? did you grow up in a bubble or are you really that weak? You know movies aren't real right champ?

  • Sorry it got ruined for you

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 9:07 p.m. CST

    so, this is the way the world ends...

    by The Dum Guy

    Not with a bang, but with a ring...

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Octoburn, you asshole...

    by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers

    That wasn't Lori that Rick finds at the end. It's so obvisous that it's not Lori, it's uncanny.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST

    So you know what Rick heard over that prison phone when he answered it

    by Marc Cerasini

    You can lower your interest rates. This is a limited time offer...

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 9:16 p.m. CST

    @xiphos_2, so WWII vets who had to walk out on Private Ryan are weak too?

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Those battle scenes were intense, and Lori's death scene was ever more intense. I have no problem in admitting it gave me the shakes, unlike fake macho dicks like yourself. Keep shaking your epeen though.

  • In a dark cinema, it's really unnerving having to sit near people like that! ;-)

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Missed the start of the episode, did they find Carol's body?

    by heylookoverthere

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST

    @ heylookoverthere

    by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers

    No, they didn't find Carol's body.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST

    hardboiled wonderland

    by ShutTheFuckUp

    A mighty LOL at your misnomer of a talkback handle. What a Miss Priss. Speaking of bitches, why is Michonne so Goddamned unbearable? Either fucking leave or don't. I'd be glad if she didn't come back at all, or if Merle beats her to death next week. Cue Hardboiled Alice's shriek of "OMG VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMENZ UR A SOCIOPATH I'MA PUNCH U MEOW"

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 9:23 p.m. CST

    In what reality was that zombie Lori?

    by David_Denmans_Beard

    We're supposed to assume she tore out her own hair and eventually collapsed in that boiler room? Bullshit, I say.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST

    WW2 vets

    by ShutTheFuckUp

    Walked out of Private Ryan because..durrrmm, THEY FOUGHT IN THAT WAR. You got the shakes because Vagisil runs through your veins.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 9:32 p.m. CST

    @david_denmans_beard, I think that zombie ate lorie.

    by heylookoverthere

    hence the hair near it's mouth? That was how I read it anyway.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 9:34 p.m. CST

    @ heylookoverthere

    by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers

    ... and then the pantsless Lori grabbed a pair of Kahki's to hide her lower region and then magically erased the cut in the stomach? Yeah, that zombie at the end wasn't Lori.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 9:35 p.m. CST


    by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers

    got the last comment wrong. Sorry.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Zombi Lori was in the belly.

    by MrD

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST

    there shouldn't have been a zombie laurie since carl shot her in the head no?

    by heylookoverthere

    But I guess they spared Rick that little detail so as far as he knew she might reanimate.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 10:14 p.m. CST

    hardboiled wonderland you realize Vets fought right?

    by Xiphos_2

    you watched a mediocre movie and wet your pants you sissy.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 10:45 p.m. CST

    What the fuck was with this episode?

    by D.Vader

    There was a LOT I loved about it, and kudos to Greg Nicotero! I thought his direction in this episode, the shot choices and whatnot, was excellent. But there are some disturbing story bits that just don't add up. Why dig three graves if you don't have Carol's body? If you don't have Carol's body, why aren't you looking for it? If you DO have Carol's body, are you telling me that half-eaten corpse last week was HERS and not TDog's?? What the FUCK happened to Lori's body? Are you telling me the gang already retrieved it to bury (NO NOT FUCKING LIKELY)? Are you telling me that zombie with the full belly ATE her whole? The whole damn body, not leaving anything behind? What was that Rick picked up off the ground? Her ring? Where's her clothes? Damnit, that shit does not add up. That's sloppy. I thought we were past sloppy this season.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 10:48 p.m. CST

    If you keep making political statements in these TBs...

    by D.Vader

    You're an idiot. Let's just talk about the show without degenerating into an annoying "us vs them" insult-fest.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11 p.m. CST

    What's in the graves?

    by MonkMayfair

    No body for Lori, no body for Carol, not much left of T-Dog.... What am I missing here?

  • let slip a spoiler regarding carol during the talking dead... i think he said that the grave daryl put the "cherokee rose" on was carols...& then i think chris hardwick tried to cover the slip by over-talking nicotero. another tight episode...this thing can go in so many dark & hard directions...very impressed so far.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Ah, it was a bullet shell, thanks

    by D.Vader

    I couldn't see on my tv, which is too dark from certain angles. I really need a damn upgrade. As for Carol's grave, it just doesn't make sense. If it is hers, fine, but why not actually see a body? Why the confusion? Its just disjointed storytelling there. Even IF Carol isn't in the ground, that was DEFINITELY Carol's "grave" that Daryl put the Cherokee Rose on. So that's not a spoiler.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:23 p.m. CST

    d.vader - it was the bullet that Carl use, not a spent shell casing

    by GreatOne4

    Nicotero confirmed that on "Talking Dead." Yes, zombie ate Lori, which is why Rick was debating whether to gut it. Presumably it did not eat all of her and at least bones remain to be buried. Possibly more than one zombie was there, as well. No finding of Carol this episode, although Octoburn says we learn of her fate next week. Lori being on the telephone would explain why Sarah Wayne Callies shows up on a few upcoming IMDB cast lists, as could also explain why she has not appeared on "Talking Dead," like other departed cast members. I don't get all of the marks on the notebook after Penny, as well as all of the other names listed.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:28 p.m. CST

    So the zombies ate a dead body...

    by D.Vader

    Well that seems odd. Zombies came and drug a dead body away (which is weird) and then ate SO much of it, there's no clothes or remains left. I don't buy it. That was a bad decision.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:29 p.m. CST

    And it was a bullet but not the shell?

    by D.Vader

    So the bullet went straight through the head and into the ground and again... the body was drug away? Oy... bad decisions. I am not happy about this.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Yeah, the Governor's names in that book...

    by D.Vader

    It makes it look like he couldn't decide what to name the zombie in his closet. And he finally settled on Penny. Or maybe there have been zombie kids before, and Penny is the last (but why emphasize the name so much?). Curious about that... makes no sense to me.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:34 p.m. CST

    You can have graves without bodies.

    by mistergreen

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:34 p.m. CST


    by MrD

    I don't recall the weapon Carl used. If it was Rick's revolver (which he often carries in the comics) the shell would still be in the chamber. Otherwise it would have been ejected. Depending on how close Carl was to Zombie Lori, the case could have rolled far from the body. As for the bullet itself, Lori's body was torn apart. Could just have fallen out as the Z's ate her. And she wasn't dragged away. She was eaten. The bloated zombie ate a good chunk of her. Presumably there were others that ate the rest.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Yeah but you don't DIG the graves, MisterGreen.

    by D.Vader

    You just put up a grave marker in memory of the departed. But you don't spend half a day digging a grave 6 feet deep just to cover it up again.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:36 p.m. CST


    by MrD

    I'm thinking that the Governor at one point gave a damn. He kept a list of those that they lost. Penny, his daughter, was the last. With her death he ceased to give a crap, and stopped recording the names. The hash marks are too numerous to represent individual deaths. I'm guessing its just a play on Jack Torrence's mad scribblings.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:37 p.m. CST

    mrd, so where were those zombies before?

    by D.Vader

    Its just oddly convenient that there's no body and those zombies weren't in the room earlier. I just don't like it. Its sloppy.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:38 p.m. CST

    And as for her being drug away...

    by D.Vader

    I thought there was a very clear blood trail that Rick followed into that little hallway of pipes. Just the one trail, though. If she was torn apart, I'd expect more.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:38 p.m. CST

    d.vader - catch a repeate episode of Talking Dead

    by GreatOne4

    Pretty sure Nicotero said it was the bullet that killed her, as he mentioned that it had flattened; shell casing wouldn't do that. Also thought it was really odd, as well, that zombie(s) (a) ate an already dead body; and (b) dragged it away. That's why I'm presuming more than one zombie was chowing on her. My guess about the names is the number of deceased people under his watch. I'm more curious about the lines. Looks like they would groups of 5, but I didn't notice diagonal lines.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:40 p.m. CST

    I figured the names could have been those lost too...

    by D.Vader

    But I also figured he would have lost his daughter much earlier. But its a good theory, bc after the name Penny, he does go into Jack Torrance mode.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:41 p.m. CST


    by MrD

    Didn't find a body. On air we've not seen it, only her bloody head wrap. Off the air the WD writers and producers have been coy about her fate. They didn't even have her death memorialized on the Talking Dead. The grave was just something to mark her passing. Likely they buried her head wrap and some other personal items. This is something often done when there is no body, though I hope they told Otis and Axel that they didn't need too deep a hole. So what happened to her? My guess is the prisoner (Andrew?) wasn't working alone. He didn't seem bright enough to come up with this plan. And gathering the bait and luring the zombies seems too much work for one lone idiot who's been out of the loop for 10 months. He likely had help, and I suspect Carol was abducted by those helpers. Who were they? Dunno. Could be from Woodbury, or maybe some of Randall's old friends, or almost anyone else.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Vader - Blood trail

    by MrD

    You're right I forgot about that. We are still at the point in TWD where we don't know a lot about zombie behavior. Don't know when what or how much they will eat. As for their place where Lori was being eaten, they were overrunning that section of the prison. We don't know how much time has passed between her death and Rick finding the body. Hmm.. Perhaps zombies were pulling at her body and were distracted by a noise or something that called them away. If one of them was entangled in her intestines, he could have dragged the body away without intending to do so. Just spinning thoughts. If there is ever an explanation, it will come next week when we learn of Carol's fate (presumably).

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Well let's hope so

    by D.Vader

    I just hate when the show can be so good and then get sloppy in situations like this where we have to invent reasons for why things are the way they are, ya know? I mean, obviously the group thinks Carol is dead. They dug a grave and no one is out looking for her. But we didn't see if they put a body in the grave or not, and that's troubling.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:51 p.m. CST

    The Governor's Notebook

    by RedPanda

    Did anyone else think "KFBR 392", when Michonne was checking out the notebook?

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:52 p.m. CST

    by RedPanda

    Did anyone else think "KFBR392", when Michonne was looking in the notebook?

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 12:04 a.m. CST

    You know what would have been better re: fat zombie?

    by D.Vader

    If you only saw the zombie's belly on the ground, poking out of the shadows. That way Rick and the audience would think "oh shit! Lori's a zombie and she drug herself around the corner! Fuck!" Then Rick comes up to the zombie thinking its her, and the zombie sits up out of the shadows, and we notice its just some random dude zombie, but he's got blood all over him with bits of flesh dripping from his mouth. Then we see what's left of Lori on the ground behind him. That way there is NO confusion about what happened, AND you get the added bonus of surprising the audience with a twist (Lori survived the gunshot!) and a second twist (that's not Lori, its a fat zombie!) and then awful realization (its a fat zombie bc it ate a LOT of her!). And then you also have the added benefit of it being believable bc there's *something* of Lori left. Bc there's no way that zombie would have eaten everything, clothes and all.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 12:16 a.m. CST

    redpanda...bullet/shell casing...lori...

    by ponyboy

    yeah, totally got the MacGruber riff, girlfriend, not so much...actually, "silly the kidd" used a line in his skyfall review that is straight 'grubes, "the game has changed, but the players remain the SAME!"...thanks for that billy! as a canadian, not that got smart, guess it was bullet as opposed to shell casing, my bad...nicotero did say that andrew lincoln carries that bullet in his pocket during subsequent filming. im sure i heard that nicotero say that the empty grave next to "carols", was lori's grave...he definitely did say she was eaten by a zombie.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 12:22 a.m. CST

    @dandelien ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

    by Jonathan

    At first, Rick followed the blood trail to the zombie that killed Lori. At first I thought it might have been Lori too, that Carl might not have shot her and Lori had crawled a little bit. But it was just the zombie that ate the rest of her. Next, Rick noticed the stomach (full of Lori), but it also resembled a pregnant belly. After that, Rick took the knife and was imagining what it must have been like for the hot farmer's daughter to cut open Lori's belly. Finally, after realizing how fucked up everything was (Lori's situation when it happened and his situation in the moment), he just felt like stabbing the shit out of it.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Re: Unanswered Questions ...

    by ArmageddonProductions

    I would imagine Lori indeed died in the last episode, though her name should have disappeared from the opening credits the minute she bit the dust. Also, it seemed a bit abrupt -- maybe she isn't dead? Although, what the fuck did they bury? By the end of the episode, they've buried everybody they made a grave for, looks like.</p><p> The Carol thing is a bit weird; they definitely should have clarified what happened after she left T-Dawg, especially since they buried ... something? Maybe just the 'do wrap they found? Or was that partially-eaten body nearby actually Carol's?</p><p> My main question that repeatedly seems to go unanswered is, back in Season 1, Episode 3, they discovered that, if you smear zombie juice all over your body, zombies think you're another zombie (based on their sense of ... smell? Even though zombies don't breathe and their soft sinus tissue would be one of the first things to rot out), unless it rains. My question is: WHY THE FUCK AREN'T THEY STILL DOING THIS?!? You're telling me a little rotten guts and shit smeared all over you is WORSE than being ganged up on by zombies and eaten alive? Imagine how many scenarios this could have saved everybody from! Fuck, at least rub down the kids and the pregnant lady, just in case the shit goes down ...!

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 12:26 a.m. CST

    "not that "GUN" smart"...fuck me

    by ponyboy

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 12:29 a.m. CST

    For what it's worth, according to IMDB

    by GreatOne4

    Both Sarah Wayne Callies and Melissa McBride are listed in the cast for the next 3 episodes. Expect Sarah/Lori to be on the telephone. Also expect Carol to be alive. I don't recall Nicotero saying that Carol was dead, only that it was her grave (which is different from saying she was actually in it) and they did cut out a scene where Daryl was lamenting over her death. But again, never showed them seeing/gathering her corpse. We'll obviously find out next week.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 12:41 a.m. CST

    It seems every actor is now Australian...

    by MagicJesus

    after watching Talking Dead...the gov joins the list.

  • for what it's worth.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 12:57 a.m. CST

    "we've seen him more than once" (one week)

    by ponyboy

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 1:14 a.m. CST

    wish at end of episode...

    by ponyboy

    they played the opening theme to sportcentre...da da da, da da DA!...just to emphasize how badass it was....sayin

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Fat zombie eating Lori...

    by David_Denmans_Beard

    Alright, I can get behind that. Not that they made it obvious to infer. Call me a "mouth breather" who watches this show or what have you but not getting anything in the way of payoff to Rick's Rampage to the Boiler Room (if they don't turn that section into a game then they're complete fucking retards) other than him stumbling upon a bald, fat zombie who seemingly just finished snacking on what was left of his wife was... kinda shit. I'd much rather have seen the scenario play out where Carl wussed out and couldn't get the job done and ended up leaving with Maggie and the baby before Lori had time to reanimate. Seems fucking stupid that they'd not leave the door shut after they left to avoid potential for any zombies to wander in (since at the time we were laboring under the uncertainty that Carl either shot or didn't).

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 2:06 a.m. CST

    cartoonish fat zombie = flames on optimus

    by Chris

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 2:29 a.m. CST

    No body for Carol

    by MrD

    It was clear to me last week that they didn't have a body for Carol. Whether they thought it was eaten or wandered off on its own doesn't much matter at this point - there were more urgent matters to address in the 42 minutes that they had. And while I agree that the Lori/zombie scenario could have been clearer, I don't think it was all that difficult to suss out. Shit happens on a tight tv schedule. Sometimes it is hard to tell whether or not something was made clear to the audience, and writers and directors often struggle to find the balance between overexplaning and underexplaning. When you have 8 days of filming, sometimes you get the balance wrong.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 3:34 a.m. CST

    Bit of a slower / disjointed ep this week

    by rakesh patel

    I feel the problem is that there aren't enough episodes to devote to new cast members. Lost had a huge cast and introduced people effectively but they had double the mount of episodes twd has. I liked the intro of the governors daughter, i wished they had focused on that instead of the wwe wrestling spectacular and i kinda wished they had more time with a Maggie and Daryl with the formula run and , maybe had them face off against some opposition or other survivors. Rick is insane. i;''m actually surprised that daryl didnt jump on rick as soon as he picked up the axe to rush back in, yeah they tried to rectify that with glen coming in, but leaving him alone in the middle of a zombie nest to sortt out his issues felt kinda odd, especially with what they went though. not searching for carol seems a bit odd that they've automatically assumed she's dead. How big is that prison really that they aren't locking each part down by killing the zombies in each area and locking a section down after clearing it. I don't like that doctor. An ok Episode. Didn't fully break the momentum built up of the last 4, just stepped off the gas a little bit. not 5x5 but 5 x 4.5

  • It was damn obvious that the zombie ate Lori. Rick either wanted to see her body, or get her remains to bury, or both. Fuck anyone who doesn't understand that, the writers don't need to answer to them.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 3:41 a.m. CST

    Actually he also

    by happybunni

    Could have just wanted to make sure she was dead dead, so that's why he kept stabbing the stomach... Either way, yeah... Anyone who didn't have a basic understanding definitely wasn't paying close enough attention and that's your bad. They showed the knife that was used to cut her stomach, and the blood trail from where her body was to the fat zombie. Just admit you're one of the "slow" viewers.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 4:03 a.m. CST

    shutthefuckup... further proof 4chan is migrating to AICN talkbacks.

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Perhaps Carol is with her 'watcher'

    by Truxton Spangler

    from when she was practicing the c-section. No matter, I don't think she's dead. I understand that they have to establish that the Gov. is a little screwy, but the way they're handling his relationship with Michonne was starting to drag out too long. Glad she finally took action. And the party reminded me of the town BBQ from Jericho. Slug + knife = what was left of Lori's tasty treat. Extra bloody flavor.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Baby formula

    by Mike Plowman

    Are we supposed to believe that they had absolutely no baby forumula after she had been pregnant for 8 months plus. It's a great show but jeez, they do stretch credibilty sometimes.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 5:28 a.m. CST

    ***early spoilers for next week***

    by Richard

    Don't get your hopes up about the phone call. Rick's hallucinating. Merle and some others go hunting for Michonne. Michonne kills a couple of them before they're all attacked by zombies. Gov starts shagging Andrea. Glenn and Maggie head out for more baby supplies. Merle's group follows Michonne to the same town. They find Maggie, take her hostage and force Glenn to drive to Woodbury. Michonne finds the prison, Rick lets her in while wandering about the yard in a daze. Shit's about to hit the fan! Though it seems a bit early, though i guess you need some build-up to the Rick/Gov confrontation.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6:18 a.m. CST

    talking about ZOMBIES

    by IamHERE

    I rented Juan of the Dead last night, first and foremost, awesome movie with a great humor streak thru it. Plus the lead actor reminds me of a cuban version of John Turturro lol. Anyways, there is one scene that blew me away, especially after watching the preview to World War Z, which sucks ass. The scene where they are floating on a raft trying to escape and theres one underwater shot showing the dead walking along the bottom of the ocean... Heres my point... This little movie, Cuba's first zombie movie, made with a fraction of the budget Z was made with had more relevance to World War Z book than the big studio, multi-million dollar, Brad Pitt production. Shame on you Brad and your production company.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Fuck you octoburn for not sharing your spoilerific source

    by rakesh patel

    God damm you sir. and your secret sauce.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:09 a.m. CST

    painting by numbers

    by rakesh patel

    seriously carol dead / not dead. lori, eaten / not dead. aren't any of you watching what's going on?

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:12 a.m. CST


    by rakesh patel

    "Gov starts shagging Andrea." she'll fuck anyone that can protect her, first shane now the guv. I Assume Merle hunting for Michonne is simply because they don't want anyone else knowing about their haven, lest they be overrun by hordes of survivors. "Michonne finds the prison, Rick lets her in while wandering about the yard in a daze." - thats just sloppy yo.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:38 a.m. CST


    by Alientoast

    Stretching credibility? Dude, there are these things called breasts. Their true biological purpose is to deliver milk to babies. Before the fat zombie ate them, I'm pretty sure Lori had a pair.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST

    If Carol be dead, T-Dawg died for nuthin'...

    by Cinemajerk

    Although they didnt show Carl shoot her, It's pretty clear now that Lori is dead. Wether this was handled poorly, and not made clear is up for debate. Yeah, it would have been great to see a reanimated Lori, maybe if Carl hadnt of shot her, and Rick had to put her down. Or perhaps if Rick came across her body and had to defend it from being eaten by a horde of zombies. Personally, I think it's pretty fucking clear however that she's dead. I think it'd have been better and more dramatic if Rick found Lori's bloody wedding ring instead of a bloody bullet tho. But that's just me. Not showing how Carol died on top of that is kinda lame tho. Especially since T-Dawg pretty much sacrificed himself for her. All they found was a bloody doo rag? On the Talking Dead, Nicotero said there were 3 graves, and all of them had a body in them except Lori' I assume Carol is dead then. But that's BS. Carol was a major character and deserved more than that. I'm sorry. If you wanna start a conspiracy, how's this...what if Carol came across Lori's body...and she was ALIVE? Perhaps Carl didn't shoot her, and shot the ground instead. Maybe Carol patched her up...but then was attacked and eaten by full belly zombie. Ok, that's reaching...but damnit! Carol deserved a better ending than what was shown - or rather NOT shown! But then TWD has been doing that a lot. The black prisoner Rick left for dead turned up alive. Lori was supposedly shot off camera, and eaten off camera. Why not show what happened to Carol? It's just annoying.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Remember Night of the Living Dead folks?

    by Jak0lantern01

    The zombies ate 2 well barbeque'd bodies in that one, why wouldn't they eat freshly dead Lori?

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 8:09 a.m. CST

    I Support The Carol/Lori-Still-Alive Theory *POSSIBLE SPOILER*

    by Graphix67

    OK, Carol was shown practicing a C-Section on a corpse. She then "disappears" during the zombie commotion that leads to T-Dawg's death. We NEVER see Carl shoot his mom. We just hear it. Rick comes across the bloated zombie. (Sorry but, a single zombie eating Lori's ENTIRE SKELETON FROM HEAD TO TOE is not gonna' happen.) And am not buying the 'other zombies dragged her off excuse' either. Here's my guess: Carol is the one that dragged off Lori and managed to sew her up and barely save her life. The phone is likely Carol calling in an attempt to report their hiding position.

  • His character development has been awesome.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 8:16 a.m. CST

    all work and no play makes Govenor a dull boy...

    by Cinemajerk

    I didn't read the comics, but I understand the Govenor was a lot more overtly crazy and psycho in the comics. Personally, I think it's cool the TV show is humanizing him a bit and making him kinda swauve. So when they show hints of the crazy, it leaves you wondering just how F'd up he really is. You kinda get why Andrea is all torn and wants to stay. The cover hasn't been fully pulled off yet. Even the way the Govenor explains the gladiator fights, kinda makes sense. I'm with Mischonne tho. Something is not quite right in Woodbury. Glad she finally left. My Guess is that the Govenor will send out a hunting party for her to keep their town a secret. They showed a scene in the previews for next weeks episode where Andrea jumped over the I think she will come to her senses about Woodbury too. Everything is leading up this season to the confrontation btwn Rick & the Gov. Hope it happens before the winter break tho. Don't wanna wait until Feb! Anyway...still sucks that if Carol is really dead that she didn't get her moment in the sun. Hope they handle it in a flashback or something. She deserves more than a bloody bandana. Cheers.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 8:20 a.m. CST


    by BilboRing

    I really love that theory and it would be great if it were true. I'm just not sure that it would be possible for Carol to sew up Lori and somehow save her. She was trapped with no tools or supplies. I agree the zombie would not have been able to eat an entire body like that but I have a feeling that is was just a poor writing decision. You never know though so I hope you are right. That would be pretty cool IMO too. But I just can't see it happening in any sort of believable way. But Carol has to be alive. I see her and Darryl getting more intimate as time goes on.

  • At first I thought that Lori was a zombie and had an unborn twin in her... And that Rick was stabbing the stomach because he needed to kill the zombie child left inside her. Though obviously the zombie being topless with no boobs and wearing pants and not having a big gaping wound in his stomach and not looking like Lori in any way kinda made me realize that wasn't the case...

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 8:32 a.m. CST

    99% sure Carol is alive

    by Jarek

    The hint was right in the 'next week on Walking Dead' teaser. They cut in a short clip where Darryl pulls a knife out a zombie and says "This is Carol's knife!?" Why would they cut that into the teaser if it wasn't something to tease? She's alive and in the prison somewhere. Laurie, on the other hand, is dead. Why? Because they've started the phone calls on the dead phone thing from the comics already, which happens right after Laurie dies there too.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST


    by Graphix67

    One other thing to consider: Sarah (Lori) Callie's name is STILL being featured in the opening credits. ;-)

  • It would have been nice if they would have developed this better. Instead of Michonne suspicious because she is suspicious.

  • Come on, THAT's a stretch.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Was Michonne this annoying in the comics?

    by mypalfish

    She acts like the token angry black woman contestant on Survivor most seasons. I had read so much about how she was such an awesome character, but she's just grating.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Carl shot Lori for sure.

    by TheAtomicCow

    She has died earlier than in the comics which is kind of a shame because that was one of the most impacting scenes to this day, but she is gone for sure. The first thing Rick sees in that room is both the bullet and the blood streaked brains on the floor in an expanding explosion pattern.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Correction theatomiccow, Lori did NOT die earlier in the comics

    by D.Vader

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST

    No, mypalfish. In the comics Michonne is actually a bit crazy

    by D.Vader

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Did no one see the preview for next week's episode?

    by Bass Ackwards

    Kind of gives away the Carol is dead/not dead speculation. Also, for anyone who's been reading the comics, I really hope the phone call isn't the same as the phone call Rick receives in the comics, though I suspect it is. Just between the Carol dead/not dead, the phone call feels like it might be one mislead too many.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Michonne is only slightly less annoying in the comics

    by Monolith_Jones

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST

    The zombie that ate Lori could have been handled better

    by Monolith_Jones

    We're to believe that zombie ate everything , her bones and clothes included?

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Governor more overtly crazy in the comics

    by Bass Ackwards

    To be fair, in the comics we only saw him as the antagonist to the group, so we only saw the most vicious side of him. I haven't read Rise of the Governor, so the show might be drawing from that, but I think its smart the way the show is introducing us to him by Laurie being part of the camp. Obviously a guy wouldn't become who he is by being batshit crazy all the time, so its neat to meet him first as a leader, rather then as the enemy.

  • She's becoming the perfect example of "dumb blonde" by hooking up with the Governor, imo.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST

    I thought Rick stabbing the bloated zombie's gut was more

    by angry kitty

    To demonstrate his complete descent into madness & despair. I don't think it had any practical significance. And to repeat what has already been said; Andrew Lincoln is doing a superb job It isn't eay to sell a performance that requires an actor to go to such a dark place, but he is doing a fantastic job. Hope this doesnt get resolved too quickly- want to see how this shapes the narrative going forward.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Andrea is way cooler in the comics

    by philosophile

    She's a total bad-ass sharpshooter who is a fan favorite. In the TV show, from day one, she's been really annoying, making dumb decisions all the time, and I hope she becomes zombie fodder soon.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Man, the possum gets a shout out on Talking Dead's memoriam?

    by D.Vader

    But not the zombie that Michonne cuts in half? Damn.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Hope the CGI isn't a sign of things to come

    by Bass Ackwards

    One thing I'll note is that the CGI effects were much more noticeable in this episode then in past episodes. I hope that's not sign of things to come, I feel like the show has smartly taken the path of if you can't do an effect well, don't do it. Seems like this episode they forgoed that idea to have some *bad ass* zombie killing.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Yes, but to be fair the posssum did earn the shout out

    by angry kitty

    It did demonstrate a wide range of emotions- Starting with "WTF? Is that a zombie???!" Followed closely by "whew! Not a zombie". Finally to. "WTF? A crossbow????!!" With limited time, the possum was able to show quite a range of range of emotional responses to his demise. Michonne's zombie just stood there.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 12:41 p.m. CST

    That's an excellent point, Angry Kitty

    by D.Vader

    I really did feel the terror in that poor possum's eyes when that door was pulled open. Great performance.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    re: carol

    by schadenfreudian

    As far as I'm concerned, no body and not seeing her bitten = not dead.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Rick stabbing Fat Zombie's belly...

    by shatfanat

    Just FYI, I've never read the comic, just watching the show. So I'm not sure how Rick ultimately feels about this, but... I kinda felt that there was a bit of symbolism in Rick stabbing the hell out of Fat Zombie's distended belly. At first he seemed to approach his belly with the knife like he was going to perform surgery or start cutting carefully to remove what he could find of Lori, but then just went batshit stabbing the hell out of him. Maybe, to some conscious or subconscious degree, he holds the new baby responsible for Lori's death? I mean, to this point he doesn't seem to give 2 shits that the baby is even there. Just a thought.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    If Carol is dead I will stab Glen Mazzara in the face.

    by Jason

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    That is NOT Shane's baby. End of discussion.

    by applescruff

    Its been a little over 8 months since the farm was overrun. That is clearly established. Lori was barely even speaking with Shane around that time. Its Rick's kid. No question.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Might be a spoiler for some, so just in case--POSSIBLE SPOILER

    by scors54

    I assume all those speculating about Carol being dead do not watch the previews for the upcoming episode? If you do, you'd stop speculating, I least about her being dead.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST


    by applescruff

    If Carol is actually alive and they're just toying with us to create some kind of tension then I'll.......well, I won't stab anyone in the face but I'll be seriously annoyed. Why would she be hiding this long? Makes zero goddamn sense.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Carol is NOT dead.

    by BilboRing

    Every character who has does has had a death scene. Carol is alive. She is hiding or has been caught by another inmate or something. She is not dead. She and Darryl will raise the baby as a couple and bone till kingdom come.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST


    by shatfanat

    Not sure if you were talking about this not being Shane's baby in response to my comment, but that's not what I was implying. If fact, I hadn't even thought of that. I was just speculating on an additional layer of complexity to the character that may or may not be there. I don't know anyone that's lost a spouse/sister/mother/daughter/friend that died during childbirth, and I definitely don't know anyone that's died during childbirth in the middle of a zombie invasion/outbreak, so I don't know how much resentment there would be toward the child, if there would be any at all. But it was almost as if the writers did go out of the way to make it very obvious that the Fat Zombie's belly was abnormally distended, and it looked like a pregnant woman's belly.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST

    So they finally gave T-Dawg his due...

    by Hipshot

    So on "Walking Dead" last night, we finally got a scrap of back-story for T-Dawg, delivered post mortem by another character. My wife and I were joking for the rest of the night about how the cast is gonna be all "remember when T-Dawg said this? Or that? And how he was the bravest and most talkative of all of us? And oh! When those two strippers came into camp with a load of groceries they didn't want to share, and T-Dawg seduced it out of them and sent them on their way bow-legged with stars in their eyes? Yeah, that T-Dawg. He was the best of us..." And I will scream.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST


    by bender

    As I recall, Jon Bernthal and Jeff DeMunn's names weren't removed from the opening after they left.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    That is, until season they changed the opening in season 3.

    by bender

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST

    *until they changed the opening in season 3.

    by bender

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Someone give me a spoiler about.....

    by JGer

    the phonecalls. I read the comics but it was a while ago and have no recollection of that. Is he imagining the whole thing?

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Questions about the Governor's notebook.

    by billcom6

    So I am assuming Penny was his daughter, and the girls whose hair he was brushing, is that right or am I making wrong assumptions? So who were all the other names listed in the notebook? And what were all the tally marks for?

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST

    @jger *SPOILERS* for the phone

    by Thomas

    He is imagining the whole thing, but he knows that he is. He hears Lori's voice on the phone, and talks to her to make himself feel better. He winds up carrying that phone for quite a long time in the comics.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 4:18 p.m. CST

    @billcom the gov's notebook

    by Thomas

    Just speculation, and it seems to be a widely held theory, that the other names in the notebook were all of the other people in Woodbury who died. The tally marks I believe are just a sign that the Governor has lost it.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST


    by GeptaOO1

    there was no death scene for sophia....

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Why oh why...

    by James

    I don't know why the curious in here don't just read the comics... Hell, bit torrent them! So I'm thinking Daryl is basically Tyrese (from the comics...who we all thought T-Dog was). Carol and Tyrese are a thing for a bit, so makes sense there and Tyrese is Ricks enforcer. But I think they are going to let Carol do what Tyrese does in the prison as a nod to that character and part of the story. For those of you who don't read them, Tyrese gets stuck in a room and left for dead with a room full of zombies. They group comes back to finally clear it and Tyrese has killed the whole room full. I personally liked the Rick talking to Lori's "ghost (really it's just him having hallucinations). It didn't last long but was a cool way to show Rick lost it. Michonne's intro to the group in the books is random, so who knows how she meets them in the show.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Person watching Carol was the black prisoner

    by David_Denmans_Beard

    Thought that was pretty obvious. The scrawny little black guy that got the axe an episode or so prior. Also happybunni - fuck you. Calling out stupidity of others and then positing an equally fucking insipid theory that he was stabbing the stomach to "make sure she was dead dead".

  • Impress me, Tell me today what happens in episode 6 or 7 or better yet 8! I am sure you are watching the feed from Amc prior to broadcast. I mean no dickishness, It is just too good, So you are either a snitch or you are just abusing your privilidge at work, So if you can spoil the next 2 or 3 episodes for me this week prior to wednesday, I will apoligize. PM me or what ever. Or email xombygod at road runner. Come on prove me wrong! Dare ya.

  • As far as her actions being "forced", that is true from a certain "move the story along" perspective, but I think she's seen enough (especially the army trucks) to know that something smells in Woodbury.

  • I am digging the show, and as a fan of the comic, I am squirming in my anticipation of where they take the show next, especially when it comes to the Governor. Does he do what he does in the comics to certain characters, or do they continue to make him a more "likeable" character? As for the prison, in the comics it was quite the sanctuary for the main characters, with only a handful of truly tragic events (having the child raping serial killer who isn't on the show kill twin girls, a "failed" murder/suicide pact). The prison was an actual home for the group in the comics, and I wonder if the show is going to finally start having them make it like that as well.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Don't get the timeline

    by kuryakin

    So unless I'm misremembering here, the gang all splits up when the farm gets attacked, Andrea meets/gets rescued by Michonne while the others tear off in cars. The others stop a while down the road, Rick gives a big speech about do what I say etc and then the camera pans up to show the prison a short distance away. Then we cut to eight months later, Andrea and Michonne are off having adventures and Rick and the gang are JUST getting in to the prison. I mean WTF we're they doing all that time, am I missing something? Even if it wasn't immediately visible, that prison would show up on every map of the area, first thing they would do if they were looting houses etc is check a map. Every house would surely have one

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST

    I too was confused during the fat belly zombie scene

    by cromulent

    But I think they wanted it to be a little confusing, so they could kinda connect the zombie's fat belly with Lori's pregnancy and with Rick's very symbolic ripping into it with his knife. I mean at the end I knew it wasn't her, but the whole time I was thinking was it her? I dont know...

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 5:57 p.m. CST

    I gotta say Michonne is unfortunately...annoying

    by cromulent

    Nice zombie killing scene, but wow she's kinda...annoying. SO FAR

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST

    I'm starting to find Waterbury really unbelievable.

    by Royston Lodge

    I don't find it hard to believe that "Zombie Gladiator Fights" would be popular. I DO find it hard to believe that they would be UNANIMOUSLY popular, and that Andrea would be the first person to ever complain. This show needs to introduce P.E.T.Z. to balance out the silliness.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST

    And Michonne's paranoia is silly without any evidence to back it up.

    by Royston Lodge

    She has no *rational* reason to think there's any funny business going on in the town. Sure, maybe the Stepford quality of the joint is a little creepy, but there's a friggin' zombie apocalypse on the other side of the wall. If they don't give us some backstory to explain why she hates clean streets and picket fences so much, I won't have much time for her.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    I want the baby's official name to be "Asskicker".

    by Royston Lodge

    So say we all.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST

    mr x and xombigodd

    by Richard

    My source is a website. I am not posting it here because it seems to be the only site that posts spoilers that has yet to get a c&d from amc. I dont want to ruin that by publicly proclaiming it on such a high profile site.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST

    regarding lori's corpse/potbellied zombie... ***spoilers***

    by Richard

    I'm starting to wonder if this is part of Rick's delusions, which includes the people on the phone. It could be Lori, he just didn't see it that way.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Hello? Rick? This is your sanity... I'm leaving you

    by one_vazquez

    The burning question is... who is on the other line of that phone!?! Real... or imagined? @walkingdead_AMC

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST


    by Richard

    I agree that it's strange that Andrea is the first to speak up about it. Then, maybe the doctor's tea has something to do with this. Odd they seemed to set that up as something big in Walk With Me but haven't mentioned it since. Or maybe she's the only one STILL ALIVE that's objected to the fights?

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:10 p.m. CST


    by Richard

    They spent a whole scene in the first episode establishing that the group had been tracking (and avoiding) several large herds of walkers.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST

    there was no death scene for sophia...

    by Truxton Spangler

    You're kidding, right? Unlike Carol, Sophia's final disposition (no matter human dead or zombie dead) was illustrated quite clearly, and indisputably, in the S2 mid-season finale.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST

    @gymbeau2000. Your speculation about the fate of a certain regular

    by angry kitty

    With the Tyrese-like storyline might not be that far from the mark, as next week's preview does seem to hint at something like that.... It would be pretty awesome and one of the most spectacular character 'turn-around' ever! ( as compared to season 2)

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST

    octoburn: I don't think the story needs to be nearly as conspiratorial.

    by Royston Lodge

    Would it be so hard to show a group of women purposely NOT participating at the fights? It doesn't have to be a sign of rebellion or evidence of a dissenting faction within the town. I mean, not everybody likes football, so why would everybody like Zombie American Gladiators?

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:31 p.m. CST

    So weird hearing all the anglo/british accents during the recaps.

    by Royston Lodge

    Why so many brit/anglo actors?

  • I understand now I would hate to spoil the dead, I mean walking dead right, for everyone right? I do not know why people wan to know what will happen so bad. It is like someone describing a book instead of reading. I get whhy Octo here will not tell you where he or rather we get our stuff. I have completely ruined episode six if you read this whole post please do not! I am right though Octo did you get my little hint there, I have my sources too, I beleive we have the same one. SPOILERS!!!!!!!! BELOW SPOILERS!!!!!!!! About 20 lines down is the sixth episode breakdown, From my source at the show, So read if you want. I have blanked some parts to be a dick. Plus I do not want to ruin to much. I did not cut anything. Seriously It will ruin it for you, It is scene for scene. I an warning you now, Stop while you can. I have broken it into scenes. Do not press the red button so to speak. Starting from the previous episode,Rick talks to the phone to the woman who tells him that she is on a safe place away from the zombies. He asks her where exactly she is but she doesn't tell him and ends the conversation. Later, a man rings and Rick tells him that he is with a group and that he has a son and a new-born, and also that his wife died. The man asks him how did she die but Rick doesn't want to answer after which the man cuts the conversation. Maggie and Glenn go out of the prison to search for food for the baby. Meanwhile in Woodbury, the Governor grows closer to Andrea and they eventually end up having sex. A group lead by Merle is sent to find and kill Michonne in the forest. The group finds a cryptogram of zombie parts made by Michonne and warning them to stay away but they continue searching for her. They fight and she manages to kill two of them. Zombies attack her and the others and she cuts the stomach of that which attacked her and she gets covered in blood. The other zombies just pass her by and she realizes that the blood fools them. Merle, after killing Phil who was one of the group, reaches a town where he meets Glenn and Maggie. He takes her hostage and orders Glenn to drive to Woodbury while Michonne is watching from near. This is the last scene come save something for the show. She reaches the prison and is met by Rick who had just gone outside in the yard after having hallucinations of Lori talking to him on the phone.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Octoburn Sorry about the wet paint on that . Huh? (comments blank)

    by xombygodd

  • Well?

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 8:51 p.m. CST


    by Richard

    Thats the same website. Word for word :) i just typed up the stuff i saw as important, rather than copy and pasting it.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Why was Lori in a scene at the start?

    by HerbSewell

    43 seconds in there's Lori serving drinks at the picnic. why use the same actress? just an easter egg or something else?

  • I think that was a very real depiction of a snapping point. He broke. Well done, writers. You finally got me to care about Rick. That's one person other than Glen that I like.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 10:27 p.m. CST

    I always pronounce it MICK-OWN in my head reading the comics...

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    ...not MISH-OWN.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST


    by adeceasedfan

    I thought that as well. At first I thought it was a flashback and then I umm, well ...just forgot about it.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 10:59 p.m. CST

    I hope fat zombie didn't eat Lori.

    by adeceasedfan

    Because that makes a fucking joke out of last week. Now it's ok for us/Rick to think so, but nah that would be really fucking lame if true. I'm pulling for Carol dragging Lori away dead or alive.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 11:31 p.m. CST

    thegoldbergv, just stop it

    by Tim

    makes Breaking Bad look like a fluffy romcom

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Michonne is paranoid because

    by MrD

    she's obviously read the comic, and knows what's coming to her. Or there's a reason for her paranoia that will be revealed in an upcoming episode. Clearly there is some trauma in her past, as hinted at by her reticence to discuss how she came by her pets. It may just be she's been screwed over by people before and is unwilling to trust something that looks too good to be true.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 1:17 a.m. CST


    by theGoldbergV

    Yeah might've got a little carried away up there. While TWD is much improved its nowhere near Breaking Bad in intensity. Comparing the 2 isn't really worthwhile. Still going strong though, although having not read the comics it seems to me like Michonne's character can be summed up as 'suspicious, scowling, has a sword'. I do like how after killing off a few regulars it now seems like anyone could die at any moment, makes run-of-the-mill scenes like Daryl and Maggie's trip all the more tense.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Anyone wanna bet (possible spoilers)

    by FitnaTheForbiddenMovie

    That what happens to Michonne at Woodbury in the comics is going to happen to Maggie in the series? Meaning, she's going to get raped all to hell by the Governor making Glenn give up the whereabouts of the prison?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Michonne is not acting crazy

    by FitnaTheForbiddenMovie

    Think about it. When she and Andrea first met the Governor he was with his armed to the teeth crew and Michonne got a gun to her head. She saw the crew carry off the pilot who then suddenly disappears altogether. That is, after informing the Governor where the rest of his national guard pals are (which the Governor announced himself). The Governor then shows up with the vehicles that belonged to the group, riddled with fresh bullet holes and covered in fresh blood. Michonne is the only one taking an interest in this as Andrea is willfully blind like the rest of the people of Woodbury. Woodbury is only suitable for those either looking for protection or willing to provide the protection no questions asked. Which is most likely the reason the national guard was killed off as they would have started asking some serious questions and would have been able to stand up to the Governor and his crew. Michonne, obviously capable of protecting herself, is willing to look at the price of what the Governor offers. She hears the lies and she sees the deceit. And by now she probably figured out the Governor is a sociopath. The Governor understands that she knows and all that is left is either for Michonne to join his crew and become and accomplice or kick her out (and kill her off in the wild). It makes perfect sense to me.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:30 a.m. CST

    Michonne sees...

    by Hipshot

    That the Governor may be lying. What are the choices? 1) That this is paradise, and everything is hunky-dorey. 2) That there is something wrong. What might it be? Well...she was rightfully suspicious about the way that army unit just got run over by Biters, with not a single survivor. And then the scavengers come back with a load of loot. And the one soldier in camp conveniently "dies" of natural causes. Cages filled with biters. Taking her sword, without which she feels naked. Think of Right-wingers constantly afraid Obama is coming for their weapons. These are people who are hyper-alert to the possibility of invasion or attack--they feel that threats are out there. Well, Michonne has been on her own for a year, and would feel more "naked" without her sword than the most paranoid redneck--and for good reasons. In a world like this, it is safer to mistrust than to trust. Michonne makes perfect sense. I'd like to think my hackles would be up, too. They are being lied to. Liars are never 100% plausible.

  • In the zombie apocalype, if you meet someone and they're still alive, you can be pretty damned certain they'll be packing heat. No gun means no survival. And yes, I'd be wary and skeptical when I first meet any other survivors. You never know who's a decent persona and who is a The Road-style cannibal, after all. But at some point, you need allies. You can't simply write off every survivor you meet. Step One: Keep your gun trained on 'em until they drop theirs. Step Two: Get their backstory. Step Three: Trust, but verify. It seems simple enough to me, but in this show the characters write folk off immediately. In three seasons, when have they ever been fucked over by someone they trusted? They've been fucked over by new people, yes, but never by someone they've accepted into the group. Give newcomers a probation period, sure, but don't write 'em off immediately. Michonne: Yes, of course she's probably got some deep dark trauma that makes her paranoid, but until we actually see it she just comes across as a moody elitist who doesn't like picket fences or lemonade.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 10:19 a.m. CST

    In the zombie apocalypse, everybody may be lying about something.

    by Royston Lodge

    M: I think the governor may be lying, about something. A: Can you be more specific? M: He's a charismatic white male with guns. A: And? M: This town is clean, and everybody's nice to each other. A: And, that's a bad thing, how? M: If only you knew about my deep psychological trauma, then you'd understand. A: So, tell me about it then. M: No. Cuz I'm mysterious like that. A: You're a real whiny buzzkill, you know that? M: I'm Batman...

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Hebswell-That was Rowan from EP 3 who welcomed Andrea & Michonne

    by Scott Baiowulf

    I think she was also the brunette in the Governor's bed at the end of that episode as well. I read on a website (can't recall where) that she was Sarah Wayne Callies stand in for the first two seasons on the show, hence her looking quite similar.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    The Governor IS lying

    by Hipshot

    About killing an entire group of soldiers. She didn't buy the story, she didn't buy the bullet holes. If you tell a lie, 100% of people won't buy into it, and she is one of those who don't. It isn't that complicated.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Damn, this episode really upped the gore ante.

    by kidicarus

  • I'm just sayin'...

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    ll I'm saying about Michonne

    by Hipshot

    is that the Governor is lying. Liars never convince everyone. and there are always physiological cues that accompany attempts to hide the truth. she isn't paranoia--she is hyper aware, a predator who lived among the dead but remained alive. she is simply more wary than ordinary people, and I don't understand all the hate. how many times has "the hero" known there was something wrong when everyone else was oblivious? Weird that it tweaks e ermine now. SHE IS RIGHT. the others are wrong. why don't you dig it?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Why don't I dig it? Cuz it's too obvious.

    by Royston Lodge

    It feels like lazy writing. But that's just me.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Agree royston

    by judge dredds fresh undies

    Besides, if she were so smart she wouldn't be practically inviting the governor to kill her like she has been. You could say shes on a self destructive journey or whatever but I dont dont believe thats their intent and if it was they havent handled it very well. Still, the series is so much improved over the last one I cant feel too agrieved.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST


    by kuryakin

    Thanks for the response man it's been bugging me for a couple of episodes.

  • It's like being a TNG fan. Whining about shit on the Internet is half the enjoyment of the show. If I didn't like the show, I wouldn't be watching it every single week.

  • Seriously. I just rewatched it hoping to see a femur laying around on the floor or something. No such luck. And the hair hanging out of it's mouth suggests that it ate her entire skull. Seriously? Great episode, but one that falls apart once you think about it.

  • Wakka wakka wakka!

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Fat Zombie ate laurie whole cus ...

    by HoraceSkinner

    ... Wait for it ... She was "finger licking good"

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Zombie got too full, saved the rest for later

    by cromulent

    Zombie doggie bag in the zombie refrigerator.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Michonne is a Freaking Beast!!!!

    by Norman Colson

    I love that chick, she's follopwing her instincts and she's right... Wish andrea listened to her when she had the chance. dumbass bitch. I cant wait to see how well her and rick and the group works well together.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 12:36 a.m. CST

    er duh. slug on th

    by 77AD

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST


    by FreeBeer

    ... I don't think The Governor will rape Michonne in the tv series, I think he will rape Andrea instead, and Michonne then avenges her. And in the next episode, The Governor will send a gang off to kill Michonne, she of course makes short work of them, and realizing Andrea might be in immediate danger, makes her way back to Woodburry

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST

    fitnatheforbiddenmovie, SPOILERS!...

    by FreeBeer

    ...I think the Governor will rape Andrea