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Published at: Nov. 11, 2012, 3:14 a.m. CST by hercules

HBO says of “The Milkmaid’s Lot”:

Episode #33:
Reeling from Gyp’s most recent attack, Nucky vows to eliminate his nemesis through a coalition of familiar partners. In Washington, the arrest of a high-profile bootlegger puts Daugherty (Christopher McDonald) and Jess Smith (Ed Jewett) on the hot seat. Emily (Lucy and Josie Gallina) gets a scaled-down birthday party; Gillian blames an absent Harrow (Jack Huston) for Tommy’s (Brady and Connor Noon) latest misadventure; Gyp decides to buy a town’s silence; Broadway mourns a fallen star. Written by Rolin Jones; directed by Ed Bianchi.

More in the text invisible.

* The episode begins with workmen gathering up what’s left of Babette’s Supper Club.

* No Van Alden, Capone or any of the other Chicagoans this week.

* Margaret takes a break from fussing over lady parts.

* It’s a big episode for Harrow.

* Nucky is more than reeling from the attack.

* Gyp makes a typically menacing entrance.

* Chalky’s back, if only for a bit. He’s one of the “familiar partners."

* The scene depicted in that Gyp clip occurs about 17 minutes in. The Remus scene happens along four minutes later.

* The Remus scene is all we get of the Harry Daugherty-Gaston Means-Andrew Mellon storyline.

* “Well, you’re easy to housebreak.”

* How does it end, spoiler-boy? Nucky cries out, and somebody turns up in a new hat.

9 p.m. Sunday. HBO.

 

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  • Nov. 11, 2012, 3:54 a.m. CST

    FIRST

    by Son_of_Sam

    HA! SUCKERS! SNEAK ATTACK!

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 3:55 a.m. CST

    oh yeah

    by Son_of_Sam

    awesome show, btw. This and Walking Dead are keeping me busy until Breaking Bad fucks my brain again.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Oh Naked Esther, why don't you have any further call to be naked?

    by Doctor_Strangepork

    It's HBO, surely we can find a reason.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 7 a.m. CST

    Can't wait for tonight....

    by DrFever

    Those zombies can wait, I need me some Boardwalk! Just guessing...... I picture Nucky going to Richard and Richard gives his new lady friend's Dad a purpose other then to find the bottom of a bottle. Together will Eli shit will get done very soon. Also....I still predict a "caught in the cross fire" Eli gunning down Doyle. THE DOYLE DEATH WATCH COUNTIES!

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Was Babette's where the hot blonde who dresses like a man worked?

    by Goon Bighead

    Was that the same club?

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 8:23 a.m. CST

    goon bighead

    by RockLobster800

    it was the very same! It'd be a shame of Babette is dead too (which is likely cos FUCK that was a big explosion), cos I dig me some chicks with top hats

  • Had to put that last part in so I don't get some random thread search post from 2 years ago.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Hoping Nucky gets some revenge tonight

    by DukeTogo84

    Obviously Gyp is around until episode 12, but it would be nice if Nucky counter attacks tonights and gets some of his men or something. Dunno.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Watching a documentary on the early days of Broadway

    by jim

    and found out that Eddie Cantor was a real guy.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    No Van Allen?

    by johnnyangelheart

    I love that character. In the land of the crazy mofo's he just might be king.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Give Chalky his own spinoff series

    by wash

    Goddamnit.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    @goon bighead

    by aaron cassese

    yes thats the place where she worked

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    by aaron cassese

    in fact i'm pretty sure that character was Babette

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Shame about Billy

    by Detective_Fingerling

    but man did she have strange jowls.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Not to nitpick but...

    by Amfpsych

    Van Alden melts half a guys face off in a place where they clearly know his name (well, the one he's using anyway) and address and then goes home and isn't worried about the police coming immediately to arrest him? And they are going to stay in town and it's no big deal?

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Babettes...R.I.P.

    by film11

    Having spent quite a bit of time in Babettes (as an extra), I was truly saddened to see it destroyed. Gonna miss that Marlene Dietrich-inspired outfit that Tracy Middendorf wore so well!

  • Hey is on the run from the feds so I doubt he gave his right address to the Iron Company people. The Fed that Van Allen and Wife killed had to track him down after going to his place of work. By the way Van Allens wife is my new dream wife. A woman who makes moonshine for you and helps you cover your tracks is one you keep!

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST

    I want to see a showdown between Gyp and Chalky's cocks

    by Mel

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Much like Walking Dead....

    by RockLobster800

    (Spoilers) ...where they off the one black guy just to replace him with another black guy instantly, Boardwalk got rid of one hot chick (Billie) and then made Van Alden's wife unexpectedly hot all of a suddent to make up for it. Tallscott, I'm with you, she became a dream women in that one scene! While I'm not a full bore Margaret hater like many, I do think it's bizzare that she gets so much screen time when the show's gold (Chalky, Harrow and Van Alden) keep getting shoved to the sidelines. Get it sorted!

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Richard Harrow, you Ladies Man!!!

    by Kwame

    He can dance & he can dip!! Oh shit!!

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Yikes

    by TheGreatHomsar

    Worst episode of the season, if you ask me. That last scene with Rosetti in the hat...unintentional hilarity.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 9:35 p.m. CST

    You can work on my shoes later!

    by heylookoverthere

    Poor chalky. And Teddy with the gypsy thing. I hope this show keeps skipping years between seasons so A) they get better child actors and B) Teddy and Tommy get older and involved.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST

    @thegreathomsar

    by Wolfman Nards

    I think you need to give the show more credit than that. I think Rosetti wearing the general's hat is supposed to be fucking crazy because he is fucking crazy. His "loyal" workers even looked over at him and started working harder. Rosetti to me is probably one of the scariest villains in TV history. He is a loose cannon and completely insane.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Season 3 has been amazing by the way.

    by Wolfman Nards

    I was one of many that was pissed about Jimmy getting knocked off but this season has been so strong that I'm glad that it happened.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST

    I'm waiting for this line....."Rossetti's got an army.....we have a Harrow!"

    by sauronthepowerful

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Van Alden to Gyp as he struts his stuff with his new hat

    by Hench4Life

    ...I'll get you, Beer Baron.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:33 p.m. CST

    I think we can see where this is going w Rosetti.....

    by sauronthepowerful

    Chalky is looking for opportunity and Nucky has no allies. That line from Whitlock in season 2 about Nucky's predaliction for handling race relations when all of his allies have deserted him leads me to believe that Chalkys gonna provide the army.....

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 11:34 p.m. CST

    In exchange for Babette's

    by sauronthepowerful

  • Probably conditioning us to care in case he gets whacked.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Richard has to off somebody with Jimmy's old trench-knife, right?

    by Pvt. Duke

    I would approve.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 4:26 a.m. CST

    would a vet be that cruel to another?

    by walt

    especially post ww1 when all the vets got screwed soon they will march on washington and get mowed down by fed troops the symptoms nucky showed wouldve had him in the hospital... will nucky find out that massariea really isnt backing gyp? and can somebody please make jack huston a star

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 5:05 a.m. CST

    Gyp Rosetti is a fucking cartoon of a character

    by buffywrestling

    He feels so outta place on this show.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6 a.m. CST

    Another perfect episode...

    by Dancingforever

    Again, perfect. Margaret is carryign this show. Her scenes tonight were some of her best work so far, and as I predicted, she will be the most important character this season.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Dancingforever...

    by Mr Soze

    Would you not agree that her hospital scenes earlier in the season were way out of place???

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 8:32 a.m. CST

    You

    by mypalfish

  • Who cares about Margaret and Owen's affair? Who cares about prenatal care? You have great characters going to waste because of annoying subplots. And I love Richard, but he had more chemistry with Angela than he does with this woman who kissed his mask. That "love story" seems way too forced. Gyp basically replaced Jimmy for screentime this season, and it's not a good trade. His acting is beyond cartoonish.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Chalky's future

    by Phimseto

    I think they foreshadowed a larger role for Chakly last night when they touched on and went away from Chalky wanting to talk with Nucky about rebuilding Babette's. If I had to guess, they'll rebuild it as something akin to The Cotton Club, which Chalky will run - thus giving him a more prominent role in and around town starting next season.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Why doesn't Nucky just send Harrow after Rosetti?

    by TopHat

    It feels as if the producers of this show are trying to tread water until the the season finale. If Nucky doesn't successfully get rid of Rosetti AND Margaret/Owen by the end of this season, then it'll feel as if this season was the polar opposite of last; Killing Jimmy was inevitable and marked the strength of the producers to do something that had to be done for the sake of the characters and story without trying to drag it on for as long as possible. If they let the Rosetti and Margaret/Owen storylines continue past this season, it'll show a complete lack of awareness on the producers side. Margaret is really starting to trouble me. From a character/story stand point, it felt organic for Nucky to be with her in the first and even second seasons. From everything she's been doing this season, it would undermine Nucky's character tremendously if he doesn't do something as extreme as killing Jimmy in reaction to her - Killing just Owen, for example, would not be enough. Margaret needs to be punished. Severely. Otherwise, it will feel like producer manipulation to keep a character around (in this case, just because its a female character in a primarily male ensemble), and it will belittle Nucky as being just the "lead character" void of any conviction, unless its called for in the plot.

  • Thats where I think the show runners were going with Chalky last night. This would give him his rise to power and would reaffirm in a very clever, referential way what Leander Whitlock foreshadowed to Jimmy in their meeting with The Commodore last season.<p> Last year Owen was basically written as a pretty boy, piece of shit, conniving, poser interlocking on Nucky first through professional pestering and then through personal pestering. That being said, it seems that the writers this year have gone to GREAT pains to retweak his image to being a sympathetic, likeable, conflicted counterbalance to Nucky's contrived ruthlessness. To me, the only reason this is being done is to set him up as a major character kill in the finale. What will be interesting to see is if his reluctance to begin the affair this time is the irony that costs him his life.<p> There have been rumors that Margaret's character may make a 180 as a finale shocker. My theory is that she either 1) gets caught trying to flee with Owen and turns on him to save her own ass and restore her standing with Nucky which would result in the sublimated, hinted ruthlessness of her inner survival traits manifesting themselves so that she ascends to power as a right hand, informal consigliere to Nucky next year.....sort of an underworld power couple, if you will. OR Margaret offs Katie, (Owen's nosy piece of ass) so that she is prevented from revealing to Nucky Owen and Margaret's secret. In that scenario, Margaret will have turned fully to the moral dark side and reneged upon whatever conscionable moral and spiritual objections she harbors towards Nucky's means of family provision. The writers could employ this as a powerful tool about Margaret's multiseasonal character arc resulted in her survivors acumen crushes her spiritual morality (which was AGAIN hinted at during season 2 during her discourse with her long, lost brother in New York and what was revealed about her less than pure past history therein).<p> I have to agree that Gyp is basically a poorly written buffoon at this point. He is basically a third rate Italian emigre cliche utilizing every cheap writing trick in the book to escalate his poorly written menace as an antagonist to Nucky. Problem is, is that Pitt, whatever you may think of his well known set difficulties, was a far, far better written counterweight to Nucky precisely because he was multifaceted and conflicted. Jimmy harbor red a deep self-loathing and conflict against the man he considered a father figure and probably the one "normal" figure in his life. With Gyp we get a stereotype that basically finds new and unexciting ways each episode to remind the viewer how oh-so-scared we should be for anyone and everyone in Gyp's path. I'm starting to believe that the ship has sailed on Gyp.....

  • I just think the character sucks.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 10:56 a.m. CST

    And despite al that.....this has been the best season yet.....by a lot!

    by sauronthepowerful

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST

    My prob with Gyp as a character

    by Amfpsych

    I find it hard to believe that someone as unstable, unpredictable, and such a slave to his emotions has made it up to this point without being killed or killing someone he shouldn't have.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Mad Anthony Wayne

    by jim

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Wayne

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Further thoughts...

    by Dancingforever

    Yes I do find margaret's scenes in the hospital, and for the matter all her scenes to have been outstanding this year. She is without question the most fleshed out compelling character on the show. It also serves well that so many fascinating things come to light through her story such as the woman revealing to her that she was using a crude form of abortion. The perfect shocker to all of Margret's efforts to institute pre natal care to help women. She's sexy, smart, duplicitous, you name it. That being said I can understand why she is inaccessible to those of meager understanding, her character is wrote at a very high level some people just won't get. The same could be said about Gyp. Gyp is obviously a clever critique of the more regrettable portion of the audience's expectations. Yes he's a cartoonish gangster, he's supposed to be! He's a red hearing to keep the simple minded away from the real surprise coming at season's end at Margaret's hands.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Babette cannot be dead!!!!!! :^(

    by Goon Bighead

    I'm going to weep quietly into my pillow if this is true!!!!

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Rosetti

    by Johnboy40

    I figure that Rosetti is what Luciano would have been without Rothstein's influence.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST

    I wish I grew up in a whorehouse

    by Itchy

    Happy Birthday Itchy - I killed your worst enemy and lined you up for a 3 pm handy in the downstairs bath" "Thanks, Richard - you're the greatest !

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    but what does this have to do with dirty pussies?

    by Mel

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    amfpsych - regarding your comments on Gyp...

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Massariea was going to kill him. He said something along the lines of "I can't control you" which shows that he knows full well that Gyp is a lunatic, that he's unstable and nobody needs a guy like that in their crew. Gyp made him a promise and he didn't deliver on it in the end, leading to Massariea's subtle comments in last night's episode. Gyp's days are numbered and I doubt it will be Nucky that finally removes the problem.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    And for the record...

    by Darth_Tarantino

    ...I'll be very suprised if Nucky DOESN'T turn to Harrow after losing all of his potential back-up. He may not be able to raise an army but all he really needs is an ace in the hole. That's Harrow, who has already made it clear to Nucky that he has no grudge against him and that he won't be gunning for him, leaving him as the best potential resource available to Nucky right now (besides Chalky).

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    I fond of the Richard character...

    by WeylandYutani

    Nice to see him get a little tail. I assume Nucky will call on Richard to do his worst in the upcoming gang war. My money is on Richard for the win. The gyp uses brute force, Richard is like surgeon.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST

    weylandyutani - exactly right about Harrow

    by Darth_Tarantino

    He's the most dangerous man in the the show from a "killer" perspective.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Well hopefully when Harrow gets riled...

    by IamZardoz

    we get a good loud dose of Bach's Toccatta et Fugue as he sites in Gyp for the headshot.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST

    I can't wait for Richard to kick off

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    I suspect that it's my main reason for watching the show.<P> I think that they're more likely to send him out on a more sombre, anticlimactic note, like a certain Boardwalk cast member did in The Wire.<P> Gyp doesn't bother me. He's buffoonish but it's not grating on me and the hat was hilarious. I really want to see him dead so I guess the character works, for me anyway.

  • BAHAHAHAHAHAA what a wannabe condescending asshole. im guessing it was an arts degree followed by a flipping burgers job.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Sopranos question

    by Rebel Scumb

    I finally got around to watching this seminal show recently, I'm halfway through season 2 and I have to ask, does it get better? Now I give this show a lot of credit for paving the way for a lot of other big HBO shows, but at this point just judging it by its own merits I just fail to see the appeal. It's obviously quite critically acclaimed and popular though, maybe its just not my cup of tea, or is it just one of those shows that takes a few seasons to get good?

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 5:47 p.m. CST

    celebritydave - yeah I like Margaret too.

    by Rebel Scumb

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by edmanger

    Sopranos just keeps getting better. I watched it after Wire and Rome and have seen everything else (breaking bad GOT boss etc), but Sopranos remains my fav. I remember it taking a bit of time to hook me as well, but I think i'd see the end of season 2 before you make any judgement.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Ok I'll stick with it then

    by Rebel Scumb

    I loved the WIRE (have watched it twice thru now), also a big fan of GoT, Mad Men, Boardwalk, 6FU, Carnivale, Downton Abbey, OZ. I forced my way until mid way through season 3 of Breaking Bad but just gave up after that, didn't think it was very good (but I know this opinion is not shared). Ditto Weeds & californication. I still need to get around to Rome & Deadwood, both of which I'm really curious about. I thought the first season of Damages was pretty darn great too.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST

    i thought the middle seasons of the sopranos were the best ones

    by jsfithaca

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Harrow and Chalky.....

    by sauronthepowerful

    Chalky becomes a major player before seasons end according to Roush.<p> Harrow loses his housing privileges soon according to someone in this thread last week who apparently had an advance reading of the script. My guess is Gillian boots him after an escalation over her constant suppression of the truth from Tommy and the world about Jimmy. Notice Tommy uttered the line "I just wanna go home" to Harrow after taking the Gillian induced rum nap. Sounds like the writers are driving that no matter how hard Gillian tries to suppress Tommy's identity, that he still has memory of Angela and Jimmy on some level and I think Harrows gonna call Gillian out on it soon.<p> One thing I'd like to know however, the person above who said the Margaret turn is coming and it's gonna be a shocker, are you actually in the know or guesstimating like the rest of us?????.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Bump Rome up to the top of that watch list rebel scumb

    by skycrapper

    If you like Game of Thrones, it's at that level.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 12:25 a.m. CST

    sauronthepowerful3 think harrow will end up with tommy?

    by walt

    harrow may be a sociopath, but he is also the perfect protector glad that mkw is gonna get more screen time...its amazing what he did in the nucky out of his head scene

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 12:34 a.m. CST

    thegreathomsar

    by Tim

    There's no way the hat was not intended to be funny/WTF. I laughed my ass off, I know my friend that text during the show laughed his ass off. I'm sure people on the set were laughing. It was awesome.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:31 a.m. CST

    sauronthepowerful3

    by Dancingforever

    I don't have inside information but I do have an education in film and consider myself to be a student of great productions past and present. That's what I mean when I say that Margaret's character is beyond a lot of the audience as they don't understand what's happening with her. The prenatal care story is a perfect example. As we have seen many times, her efforts to do something "good," end up being dismissed as the person she is trying to help was committing and act much worse than she could have imagined. That entire arch this season went over the head of most people watching sadly. It was also the catalyst that sent her back to Owen, and ultimately will prompt her to do something extreme. This is the bait and switch of Gyp. While the rubes continue to watch the gangster stuff and do their best version of "Versus" between the different characters on the show, we have a real piece of fascinating human intrigue at play. Will Margaret try to kill Nucky? Owen? Will Owen be asked to kill her? The season finale is going to be ALL about Margaret as it should. This has been her season and I can't wait to see how this concludes. I will say this one last time, Gyp is NOT the main focal point of this season. He is a critique of juvenile expectations, and a brilliant one.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Dancingforever

    by Amfpsych

    You're like the guy in Annie Hall standing in front of woody Allen in line at the theater talking about Marshall McLuhan. "Gyp is obviously a critique of the more regrettable portion of the audiences expectations". - Most people aren't brilliant enough to know this but I do. Just like Sonny Corleone and every Pesci character too, right? Or maybe it's possible that in these worlds of immoral men where murder is considered business there might be a few truly unhinged sociopaths.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 6:13 a.m. CST

    amfpsych

    by Dancingforever

    The examples you give would be appropriate for those specific venues. Gyp is completely removed from the universe that Boardwalk Empire is in. He has been DELIBIREATLY portrayed this way as a specific critique of murder and blood expectations by the audience from the last two seasons. Last year we saw the exact same thing from the majority of the fan base. Oh this is boring, nothing ever happens. They will kill Manny and that it. Blah Blah Blah. Then what happened? The death of James was and is considered one of the most brilliant pieces of storytelling HBO has ever produced. But who was the main focus through most of the season? Manny...and who would kill him, what the revenge would be, etc. But it was never the real core story. Gyp is exactly to this season what Manny was to last. A story telling device that shifts people's attention away from what the big moment will actually be. Gyp was made to be as attractive as possible to the lowest element of viewership, those who love the cliché gangster cartoon. And wow has it worked. I would not be surprised if we see Boardwalk Empire, as is the Wire now, taught in film school as the apex of storytelling. It's sad that most here miss it, but most here have probably never read Shakespeare, never studied John Ford, and have no interest in film except for when the good and bad guys are going to shoot at each with guns.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Dancing

    by Amfpsych

    You're clearly mistaking your opinion for fact - just because you see the Gyp character as a critique of audience expectations doesn't mean the writers are thinking the same - it's an opinion nothing more or less. And I think most people saw the central conflict of the past season as Jimmy v Nucky - the fact that you say with conviction that people saw Manny as the focus kind of proves my point. All art is open to interpretation but unless you're the creator you simply don't know for sure, and to act as if you do is foolish.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 7:58 a.m. CST

    re: the believability of Gyp

    by Rebel Scumb

    I can believe someone that unhinged getting ahead. He's in a violent business in a simpler time. He probably was a tough kid who got recruited due to family connections and his talent with violence once he was in people feared him,and when need be he can turn on the charm and get the job done. I mean hitler started out as one of those crazy people you see shouting on a street corner and somehow almost ended up controlling the world but for a few stragetic errors and the effectiveness of the Allies + Russians. And I think they made Gyp's position more believable by having him answer to that NYC Boss

  • that Margaret was going to be the nexus of the finale. What I WAS asking for is whether or not someone can confirm this as fact or guesstimation?<p> Now that you mention it though.....you certainly have your own opinion, however, Jimmy's death seemed to be more of a last minute scramble to retweak/pare the cast down from those stories not maturing quickly enough (and by this I specifically mean Angela). They had cinematic gold unravelling in her relationship/stewardship of Richard's dark soul and suddenly dropped what could've been a great multi seasonal arc by going for the hurried shock value. This I do not see as textbook storytelling, above the heads of the unwashed masses, but as a last minute scramble by HBO to rid themselves of Michael Pitt. Rumors have been swirling hot and heavy that he was a royal prima donna and extremely difficult to gel with and I just dont see that flying with the calibur of talent involved here. Personally (and I readily admit that this is conjecture) I think that he got in over his head with the attitude thinking it would fly like it had on some of his other, artier, projects. Otherwise it makes ZERO sense to spend two full seasons generating the show from Jimmy's POV (even to the point of sacrificing Nucky in Season 2) to then just end it.<p> Also, man, I gotta say, you do have a lot to say but sometimes the way you say it comes off the wrong way. I'm sure a man of your education realizes that presentation is everything. If you come out full bore announcing your credentials to the world and then telling that very same audience basically that they are unwashed children not worthy to bask in the shadow of your sunlight..........well I think you know where I'm going with this. <p> Believe me, I'm not trying to belittle or confront you here, but I think a gentle reminder on how to frame things probably is what I am referencing.<p> And.....for the record.....I never once slammed/complained/ or mocked the Margaret storyline to this date. Kelly MacDonald has been one of the absolute highlights in an ensemble cast flying on their A-game right now.....

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 9:06 a.m. CST

    sauronthepowerful3

    by Dancingforever

    Why don't you go back to the talkback from a few weeks ago and see who made that prediciton, or if you prefer I can save you the time it was me. My response was to confirm it was specualtion dumb ass. Next time you want to have a run at me, perhaps you could actually do the homework first, it keeps you from looking stupid(er) later on. As far as how I come off, I couldn't care less. If you don't like my thoughts, feel free to avoid them. As a gentle reminder to you, fuck off.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Richard and Angela could have been a great storyline

    by mypalfish

    It's rare to see actors have that kind of chemistry. And it didn't even have to develop into a love affair. Just their friendship would be 100% more interesting than anything Margaret was involved in and whining about this season. Even if Pitt gave HBO no choice by being such a jerk, it's too bad they couldn't have kept Angela on. Does Margaret ever do anything but whine and complain? She started off fine, but just ended up being a nagging shrew.

  • it has become abundantly clear that you are a child, probably do not know what film school is (much less graduated from one, and feel the need to foist whatever daily neurosis masking as an ego that you possess to attempt to sound superior and learned.<p> Oh well.....can't say you didn't try. You get points for that.<p> For the record, I was seriously trying to engage your thoughts and even offered a shield against everyone else harping on you. I WAS seriously interested in your perspective on this fine piece of art but since you seem intent on only shouting your teenage angst to the world, I would say that our discourse has concluded.<p> Since your OCD seems to be communicating to whatever personality is manifesting itself at the moment (so far we've seen the "Scorcese" persona and the "Bieber" persona in the space of 2 hours) that I was supposedly 'baiting' you, when in reality I was asking quite an honest question why don't you take your 'learn-ED' self and adopt another one that seems able to possibly comprehend and heed the words that so aptly fit your soiled diaper temper tantrums as follows "Everyone heed the angry young man, with his fist in the air and his head in the sand....."

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Sauron

    by Amfpsych

    An articulate dick is still a dick. He really is like that guy in Annie Hall.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    sauronthepowerful3

    by Dancingforever

    You asked a question about a statement I made a few weeks ago. I respond to your question directly. You then do a dissertation on me and attack me for answering the question you asked, of course being to stupid to realize it was me who originally made the statement. Now, you are trying as hard as possible to redeem yourself by attacking me again. Just stop. It's an easier road to go down. I'm sure there are plenty of discussion here about wizards, dragons, kung fu, robots fighting, and a million other things that would interest you much more than discussing art at a high level. I would also guess that there is some kind of on line gaming that you participate in that would also be a much better way for you to spend your time than arguing with someone like me about plot devices, motifs, and secondary character archs.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST

    dancingforever

    by Tim

    While I do think a lot of your ideas are interesting as hell, the way you present them makes you come off as a completely pretentious d-bag. Backhanded compliment aside, I love every element of this season, including Gyp, including Margaret, including damn near every character. Can't wait to see where the final three episodes take us.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Also, about what you say is art at a high level

    by Tim

    Aren't you the one who just consistently knocks on Game of Thrones? You act like it's nothing but D&D fan fiction, when it absolutely falls under what you refer to as art a high level. So what does it say about you that you can't recognize GoT as art because it has minor fantastical elements? Even the snobbiest of suede elbow patch wearing English professors would admit that the storytelling in GoT is masterful. BTW, if I'm wrong and you didn't pop up in the GoT talkback every week spouting your pretentious douche-isms, then I apologize. I don't feel like going back to look.

  • his immaturity level has betrayed the persona that he has tried to put forth in these talkbacks.<p> You see, anyone with an education can tell you that when you resort to profanity and personality insults in a debate then you are ringing up in the philosophical "LOSS" column. Anyone, and everyone who has taken a 101 course in Basic Philosophy can regurgitate that that is Lesson Number 1 on Day Number 1.<p> No...................I have to believe that he is indeed a petulant tennager, hopelessly blogging nonsense in his basement because<p> Apparently someone with such a high minded comprehension of fine art can't even read.....because in Paragraph 3 Word #56 of my last post I had clearly stated "that our discourse is concluded."<p> He didn't even understand that apparently, nevermind the subtle dig that it carried.<p> Oh well, give him points for trying to sound informed.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    dancingforever

    by jsfithaca

    I understand the margaret storyline fine I just don't think its as cool as you do. now i like margarets storylines its just most of the other characters are more interesting and original. even though they've done her well characters such as gillian, harrow and capone seem much fresher and original than she does. so when she takes up half the episode and other characters are sidelined its really fucking annoying and it makes me unfairly resent her. she should be a supporting character not a main character. and the others are right you do come off like pretentious prick in your posts. you shuld work on that if you want to be taken seriously

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST

    jsfithaca

    by Dancingforever

    Margaret's story line has been perfectly disguised in a tapestry of banality for the purpose of the reveals that we have already started to see happen. When you talk about liking the other "characters" better I get it. But I'm talking about the story's composition and the disguised narrative that is only now emerging to be the catalyst upon which all the season ending events will either tie into or make way for. It's a master work playing out before us. Now look, you want to know who knows there stuff? I have said from the beginning of this season until now, watch the dog. The dog Gyp gave Margaret is going to be another one of the hidden plot devices that goes off toward the end of the season. It's becoming to BE what oranges were to the Godfather series. Now I'm not saying it symbolizes the exact same thing, but pay very close attention to when you see it, but even more importantly when you HEAR it barking off screen. This has happened at key points this season. I have tried to point this out but as always my attempts at high level discussion are lost amidst the usual chatter of when the show with dragons will come back because BE is boring.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    I don't agree Frodo...

    by Rebel Scumb

    I think it's the 2nd best show on TV right now, 2nd only to Mad Men. And I would say overall The Wire is the best show of all time, with Mad Men as a close 2nd to that. I've watched more of Sopranos since my last post, it has gotten better, the one where Tony goes to Naples was really good, but I don't think the show (so far) holds a candle to the excellence of The Wire, Mad Men or Boardwalk. Maybe it's just me, but I think it suffers from the same problem that both Boss and Breaking Bad did for me, there isn't a single likeable character, and for me a show needs likeable characters to truly engaging. Well i guess Tony's therapist is pretty likeable, but she's barely ever on the show. And I don't mean that it needs characters that are 'good' people, most if not all the characters on Boardwalk, the Wire, Mad Men and Game of thrones are terrible people, but the writing, acting and directing still manage to make them relatible and likebale. Anyways, that's just my reaction.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, noon CST

    @ rebel scumb

    by GravyAkira

    The Wire is indeed the best show of all-time. Nothing else comes close! And this has been my favorite season yet for Boardwalk.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST

    The Sopranos series peak was seasons 3-5..

    by thewirebitches

    The first 2 seasons are good but still a little clunky at times, it's still trying to be a dark comedy mob show that flirts with being a loose sequel in spirit to Goodfellas, moreso than The Godfather. As the show progresses it definitely becomes more godfather like. But the show is at its best when it has the best balance of dark humor and drama, and that's seasons 3-5.. So stick with it. I lump The Sopranos The Wire Mad Men Breaking Bad As the holiest of the holy great tv series for me. Boardwalk is entering that category after a so far solid as fuck season 3. And Gyp is my favorite tv villain since Marlo Stanfeild. I love the guy. He sold it for me at the church, he even thinks Jesus has some how slighted him in some way. And I'm not sure if he is incredibly dumb and just through sheer ruthlessness has survived, or if he is smarter than he is portraying himself as. Probably both really.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST

    thewirebitches

    by jsfithaca

    totally agree. i didnt like season 5 that much though. i think a lot of it had to do with me thinking steve buscemi was wasted, and that distracted from the rest of the season. the last few epsiodes were really good though. those four shows are the same for me as the greatest tv shows ever. however im considering letting boardwalk and friday night lights in. probably have to wait and see how boardwalk finishes though, and i cant decide for FNL.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Wow.....no love for Galactica

    by sauronthepowerful

    Different genre, for sure but a masterpiece of human interaction and a sci fi achievement to be sure . A sci fi masterpiece that never showcased one creature or alien, ever.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 5 p.m. CST

    sorry sauron never saw galactica. its on my list though

    by jsfithaca

  • Think you'll find its 'their' stuff. Unfortunately, this elementary grammatical error has rendered moot your entire measured, inclusive and in no way condescending contribution to this thread. Better luck next time, sport.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Not as good as Season 2

    by _Maltheus_

    But still very much enjoying it. I do think they could have done without Margaret's hospital storyline this season. It doesn't seem to serve much of a point and I'd like her character a whole lot more if they would just focus a little less on her.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Just finished season 2 of Sopranos

    by Rebel Scumb

    The show does improve a lot in the 2nd half of season 2, some of the characters are growing on me a bit more too. Still can't stand camilla though, reminds me of too many of the women I work with. It's interesting to see that this is the show that both Matt Weiner of Mad Men and Terrence Winter of Boardwalk came off of, you can see a lot of seeds of what became those shows in this one.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST

    thewirebitches

    by Rebel Scumb

    Glad to hear the best is still yet to come for sopranos. I basically agree with what you said, to me the aspect of the show that works the least for me is the mob guys acting all macho and the murders and stuff, it just all feels very been there, done that. But when the show approaches interesting psychological territory, and becomes more existential like Mad men or Boardwalk is when I find it the most interesting. To be honest part of me just wishes the show was just the therapy sessions like In Treatment, that to me is always the more interesting stuff, but in general I'm not really into modern day mob stuff Boardwalk has a big advantage in winning my love because although it covers similar ground its an era I'm really interested in. Either way, I'm going to watch all of Sopranos just because it is considered iconic tv, so even if I don't love it as much as most people do I want to at least know that I've seen all of it. I should probably go back to Breaking Bad at some point and finish it off, for the same reason

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Sopranos After Season 2...

    by _Maltheus_

    ...is pretty much all downhill. Not that it isn't worth a watch, but no, the best is not yet to come. As for 6, well the final season is mostly a boring waste of time. BB is much better. S4 spins it wheels a bit, but this last season more than makes up for it. If you're looking for another super-quality show, add Deadwood to your list. Possibly the best HBO show ever (or neck and neck with the Wire).

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST

    jsfithaca

    by Rebel Scumb

    Definitely give Galactica a go. And don't listen to all the negativity about the ending, its got a good ending, or at least I think so.

  • Again, though, give hi. Points for trying.

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Phonetic Grammar

    by sauronthepowerful

  • Nov. 14, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Maltheus, Deadwood is probably next up for me

    by Rebel Scumb

    I watched the first 6 episode 3-4 years ago on download and then decided to just wait until the blu rays got cheap so I could pick up the whole run.

  • other seasons were solid but not as good, but the first season plays fine as a 12 episode mini series so that's fine anyways.

  • Nov. 15, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Glad I stuck with Sopranos, season 3 has been great so far

    by Rebel Scumb

    Not sure what happened between the end of 2 and the start of 3 but this feels exponentially better to me

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