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Holy Frack!!! That rocked!!! Can't wait to see the rest of the webisodes. And Gods Damn SyFy for NOT greenlighting the series. Buncha pinheads would rather keep making shitty TV shows and Ghost Hunters episodes.
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Man. Bring this to series. Seriously. Drop everything else on the channel. Or someone call up HBO. Seriously this is perfect for HBO. Great characters, a big story and some action. With a little sex in it.
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I mix up the two suckfests.
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But will definitely take a look this weekend...
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Will watch again. I like how they get around, "Adama's first time in a viper was the last day of the war." lore plothole.
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Wow, I was first but by the time I finished typing I was fifth. Hah. Next time. I am sure there will be haters out there. There always are, but I will not be one of them. I really enjoyed that clip. It had the gritty feel of BSG and it used the very original theme, nicely updated in the right place. Very reverential. I wanted to see more. I will be sad that it doesn't go to series. My big problem is the acting or lack of it...I have to see if it gets any better. Right now, it feels like grade z character actors got all the big roles. But that could change. I was not a lover of Caprica, but this is an improvement.
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Nov. 9, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST
If only I could frame it in my mind as a total reboot
by Jim_Kirks_Crunchy_Delicious_Chair_Apple
They have a plan.
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Cmon SyFy greenlight this.
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Better than Caprica. Hopefully they finally have a Libran as a regular character on this one.
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Nov. 9, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST
I guess this answers the question about the armored Galactica
by MuadDibuhhh
Seeing the Galactica with a total skin of armor answers quite a few questions people had with the nu-G design. Originally they asked if it was totally skinned with armor, but the CG artists explained that the ribs were there to help absorb impacts from incoming ordnance. Looks like they were full of it.
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Nov. 9, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST
not quite BSG level acting but otherwise very very good. certainly better than almost anything else (not) on the tube
by smudgewhat
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Looks good so far. Not on level with the series, but still frakkin' good!!!
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Nov. 9, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST
Okay, but can't get excited about a prequel to a far more epic story. Sequel, set in our future, make it so.
by FreeBeer
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But I'd still like to know the story as to why the Cylons hate humanity. I know "God" caused this to happen but how did it manifest?
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I'm glad they decided to do a story like this. The CGI looks pretty good. I dig it so far.
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I'm kind of a sucker for "war is hell" stories, though, and this one appears to be hitting all the right notes out of the gate.
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Better than I thought it was going to be. Special effects are quite good, acting is serviceable and would most likely improve with a full series.
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More! More now! And loving the nicely-timed background noises :)
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First and foremost, not a fan of splitting the pilot/mini-series into webisodes, not at all. Secondly, DAMN that was good!!!! From the opening of the first episode, I wanted more stories/TV set in the BSG universe. I may be in the minority here, but I liked Caprica. The final five or so episodes had a momentum that was lacking in the first half of the season. Not to mention the final segment of things to come, was filled with potential. I'm curious to see if they fill-in those 'years' in blood and chrome, through dialogue as opposed to flashbacks since there's so much we don't know about how the war started.
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In the words of Mel Gibson, "I thought it was as boring as a dog's ass."
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Nov. 9, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST
3:20 second episode - Hey look, Chuckles is still alive!
by Squinty CGI Flynn
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Nov. 9, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST
and all those lens flares: ya think the look was just A LITTLE inspired by JJ Abrams trek movie?
by Squinty CGI Flynn
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Nov. 9, 2012, 3:57 p.m. CST
that being said, ABSOLUTELY LOVE that shot of GALACTICA docked. In all her glory.
by Squinty CGI Flynn
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Nov. 9, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST
That looks pretty good, but I haven't watched the Sci-Fi channel since it became SyFy - the Ghosts and Wrestling channel.
by L.H.Puttgrass
Nice try though...
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And exactly why did SyFy think it shouldn't pick this up? To expensive to make?
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Nov. 9, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST
because there are no douchebag paranomal videographers nor are there wrestlers...
by Squinty CGI Flynn
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No Ghosts or 'Rastling!! My, how they have fallen...
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Why didn't Ron get behind this? I didn't mind Caprica after a few episodes, however, the first two short snips shown here are just as good as the mini-series he sold to the network. This should have gone to series.
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Idjits. ...misspelled on purpose.
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Wow.
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Now THAT'S what we've been waiting for ever since BSG wrapped up years ago! This better be taken to series!
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Nov. 9, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST
the best thing they can do with this series is..
by chronicallydepressedlemming
pretend Ron Moore's BSG never happened. I hate prequel shit, lets just say this is the new continuity and fuck all the God-bothering crap. I want them to shit ALL OVER BSG canon with this. Let's not have the ending already written in stone and just enjoy some old-school cylon on viper action. Let the first war continue, and when we've had 5 seasons of it, have it end with Adama taking command of the Galactica and the Cylons beginning to wane. Then, do the BSG movie that begins years later when the Cylons have been routed and Adama is retiring along with the Galactica, and have the events leading up to the escape to find Earth. Finally, we get five seasons of Galactica proper, forgetting all the faith crap and keeping the 'rag tag fleet' looking for Earth premise at its core, like the original, ending with the Cylons defeated, and their arrival in Earth orbit with an ambiguous timeframe. THE END.
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Well frak me. It's region locked. Amazing how the media companies still divide up the world into zones. Guess the Antipodes will have to wait until it gets released on disk.
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Nov. 9, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST
BSG was fucked so hard by Ron Moore the whole damn thing needs to be rebooted.
by Raptor Jesus
Please.
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Nov. 9, 2012, 8:01 p.m. CST
xenodyssey, I watched it fine here in the UK.
by chronicallydepressedlemming
dunno what problems you are getting.
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If you're interested. http://tinyurl.com/b3vu7ha
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but I choked down that "aren't we all really cylons" moral equivalency crap because I thought the series was going somewhere. Same way I ignored the logic gaps (e.g., cylons are super strong except when they're not) and the emergence of double secret probation cylons who didn't even know they were cylons until they all heard a douchesynth channel Hendrix for a few bars. Without going into the dumbshittedness of the ending and the "character driven" excuse that somehow ignored that characterization was abandoned regularly so every jizdrizzle's acting ego could be indulged in a scene of high drama worthy of Emmy submission (looking at you Olmos) and without discussing the God did it ending, I just rebel at the idea of indulging these people who wasted so much of my time with subpar storytelling. Thank you. That is all.
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I wish Netflix would pick this up!
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They have a plan.
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Honestly. If you don't make this a TV series then stop calling yourself the SyFy Channel.
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Maybe if enough people do the same Syfy will run with this. Dammit, I don't want to wait till February.
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Just wish it was more of a reboot attempt than a prequel. A balls to the wall full on, military war show against the "toasters" (Not the fucking lame ass humanoid cylons) and some actual pew-pew space battles every couple of episodes would have been great. Instead we got a bunch of religious baloney and a whole "God did it" bullshit ending. I'll enjoy this for what it is., but fuck the rest of the series.
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when I heard they were first putting it in web installments.
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Good CGI so far. Must have cost some dough, probably why SYFY won't put it in production, don't want to pay the cost. Hand it off to someone that can then!
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Just you wait.. the channel only cares about ratings not making a fanbase which supports the network. they are afraid to take risks and go for broke. which is why they will always fail. syfail. get it. Fuck syfy for canceling my farscape, sgu, sga, etc... etc...
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SyFy already cancelled this. If I remember the news correctly (a while ago), this was originally supposed to be a 2 hour movie and a pilot for a new series. SyFy green-lit the 2 hour movie and move forward with it, but preemptively already decided not to pick up the show. >_<
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Nov. 10, 2012, 3:32 a.m. CST
Is there anyone... ANYONE who actually liked the ending to BSG?
by theGoldbergV
Or is it just me. "God did it" is not what happened at all, it's the exact opposite in fact. The religious stuff was there from the beginning and was paid off at the end. Besides, it's not 'God' in any sense we recognise it, "it" is something else, and it doesn't like that name. People always cite the so-called problem that they resigned themselves to death on our planet, well they didn't, because the idea is that they evolved (alongside the cylons and the early humans we saw) into us. I mean come on, what other show has ended by saying we are all evolved from the characters you've been watching? And then finally we have the implication that "it'll all happen again". I really don't get the hate, as series finales go its not perfect (the scene in NYC is more than a little clunky) but it worked for me. Plus, best space battle ever on TV. RIP Racetrack and Skulls. As for this, think I'll wait til the whole thing is available.
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There was no plan. That's what it basically comes down to. I wrote out a longer answer to why people hated it, but I then deleted it. It all comes down to questions without answers in a series that promised answers. I liked the characters in the show but "character" isn't 100% of the show. And yet for some reason that's the direction they decided to go for the finale. They could just as easily have been magical alien dust that spun everything into motion. I'll have to watch it again. This is coming from someone who owns all the seasons except the last. I've watched them all probably a dozen times each. I even own both 2 hour stand alone movies and ironically... of all my purchases, the only one I regret buying is titled, "The Plan." That being said, I still think the finale of Lost was much worse than BSG. BSG had a bad finale that exposed a "make it up as we go along" writing (while pretending not to). Lost on the other hand had a terrible entire final season. Anyway... people know it's not "God." The problem is that it's not anything.
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Both BSG and Lost started out playing it straight. Fantastic dramatic narratives with tantalizing hints of WTF. The map room/underwater Dharma were hints of "Yeah we got this, killer ending coming up!" Both collapsed under their own weight, and settled for pandering to retards.
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I agree, I think besides the "plan" referred to in the opening titles, BSG was never really about the questions, not like LOST in that respect. Maybe because I used to listen to RDM's podcast commentaries I had different expectations going into the finale, he was always pretty open about the fact the show was made up on the fly, in some cases that meant great things (the ending to season 2 for example, Tigh being a Cylon) other times it meant they had to write themselves out of corners (Tigh and Six's baby, the fact that the Tomb of Athena makes no sense). But other than Earth and the reveal of all 12 models (apparently, they DID choose all final 5 at the same time) the show was never really about the big mysteries. At least not for me. LOST on the other hand, well that series is like six years of Starbuck disappearing, all the while the writers telling you they have it all planned out. But I still think BSG ended loads better than LOST managed, even though they both went down the "characters first, story second" root. Mainly because Roslin's death, Adama sitting on the hill, Baltar's "I know about farming", Cheif going off on his own, all of those had far more emotional impact than watching a group of people hug in slow motion faux-heaven. But thats just me.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 7:13 a.m. CST
thegoldbergv... I concure. I loved all of BSG warts and all. One of the best shows of the last decade. Period.
by Bradly Durant
If you didn't like the ending well I'm glad I don't wake up in your worthless skin and look at your fucking face in the mirror every fucking day. So glad this life think is subjective so I don't have to have such rancid malformed degenerate genes germinating inside such a sack of feted shit. I think I'll wait for the Blu on this one though. But yeah looks okay.
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A series about an alien species 150,000 years ago is totally realistic except for that maybe a more advanced alien species may have helped them...so unrealistic.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 10:55 a.m. CST
Starbuck is a disappearing angel... fuck, that was absolute shit. I'll probably give Blood & Chrome a chance in a few days.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
I hate how BSG ended, GOD DID IT; that's the ultimate weak sauce in any science fiction or speculative fiction story. The weakest of writing, and it happened at the end. And the whole mitochondrial Eve thing tagged on the end, that's as bad as midiclorians. But I fucking loved that show, up until the shit ending.
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God, I've missed BSG. And I loved the series too, warts and all. Still the best tv ever.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST
thegoldbergv -- I am a fan of BSG, religious-toned ending and all
by lv_426
The whole Cylon God, or monotheistic God of BSG (IT doesn't like to be called that, which is brilliant in that IT as both referring to the unknowable and I.T. as acronym for information technology) worked for me in the end. I take it that the God of the series is the non-corporeal mega-advanced evolutionary end product of ancient Cylon technology from Kobol. Literally the *Lords of Kobol* that are the foundation of the religion of the 12 Colonies. At least if we believe the *all of this has happened before, and it will happen again* motif. Another thread I like that is possible with the abandoning technology angle is that I doubt all of the remaining Colonials who settled on Earth completely abandoned all technology for good. They still did have Raptors and tools, just not the ships of the fleet. Of course, the freed Cylons could have returned to Earth who knows how many decades or centuries later. Or what about some other ships of wandering humanoid Cylons finding Earth later on? I really don't think that every last Cylon besides the ones collaborating with the fleet were killed off. I like that it is open-ended enough to imply that perhaps the myths of Olympians and Titans and Atlantis could have been because of the Colonials and Cylons. Besides maybe Starbuck, all the character arcs were resolved nicely in the finale. Especially Baltar/Six and Adama/Roselyn. Even the Chief's quest to be alone fit as he was a broken man by then. There is so much potential for more Battlestar spin-offs: First Cylon War, Battlestar Pegasus, The Fall of Kobol, The 13th Tribe's Earth apocalypse, and our Earth's future with robotics and space warfare. These wouldn't even need to be full on yearly series either. Pegasus would work well as a miniseries. Or how about a limited run 10-12 episode miniseries of The Fall of Kobol? Those would be things I'd love to see. That is something that is not so boxed in storywise like Caprica is. Speaking of Caprica, it wasn't as good as BSG, but I liked it for what it was. Another season to wrap it all up and lead into the First Cylon War as a new series would've been ideal.
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Although, the third season had some epic stuff in it, they dropped the ball a bit in that season from time to time. Not that it was bad, just the weakest season of all. The final season had maybe one crappy episode (the exposition one), but other than that it was pretty stellar in my eyes. The whole lead up to the mid-season reveal of Earth in season four was about perfect. Add the excellent Razor movie spin-off, and season four was just fine. As for not having a concrete plan for the entire series from the beginning, Ron Moore has admitted he didn't follow the exact plan, and that it wasn't a super-detailed plan in the first place.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST
First Cylon War as a series, which this Blood & Chrome thing is standing in for
by lv_426
would have been the best continuation after Caprica. I think a better approach would be to not start it out focusing on Bill Husker Adama in the final year of the war, but on new characters in the middle period of the war. Then as the series goes on and reaches the later years of the war, you bring in hot shot wannabe Viper jock Husker to bridge the gap between the First Cylon War and BSG. Basically what I'm saying is Blood & Chrome would be like the final season of a First Cylon War series. Or they could have followed the Spartacus model. Each season has more of a standalone miniseries vibe. So we'd get something like where each season of the First Cylon War was it's own mini-epic. Series 1) Battlestar Galactica: Cylon Raids Series 2) Battlestar Galactica: War For The Colonies Series 3) Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome Okay, those other subtitles besides Blood & Chrome are shit, but you get the idea. It could have been so epic as a 3-4 season series that focused more on the war and military sci-fi aspect whereas Caprica focused on the civilan angle and BSG had the mix of military sci-fi, political drama, and exodus myth. Of course with B&C SyFy nearly killed it in the womb and are just trying to recoup some of their investment with a stillborn pilot reconfigured as a TV movie/web-series, and perhaps keep the BSG brand on life support. I'll take what I can get though, as B&C does look cool. It is better than nothing at all.
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As a kid, I always thought this is what the SW prequels/Clone Wars were going to look/feel like. More boiler plate instead of Flash Gordon smooth and shiny.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST
How about these as a basic framework for a First Cylon War series?
by lv_426
Using the Starz Spartacus model... Series 1: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: STEEL DAWN (or) BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: CYLON DAWN - Early years of the war. First attack as the kickoff. The 12 Colonies are caught with their pants down and have to regroup and set aside their differences if they want to survive the Cylon onslaught. Series 2: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: BEYOND THE REDLINE - The hard middle years of the war. Hope is at a premium. The Cylons are winning at this point as they seem to have a secret base *beyond the redline* just outside of the Cyrannus star system. Dark and grim. Series 3: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: BLOOD & CHROME - The tide finally begins to turn. Still lots of death and sorrow, but a glimmer of hope shines through. Bill Husker Adama comes into the fold. The war finally ends with the signing of the Armistice. The last thing we see after the finale is an epilogue showing a military officer taking the first trip out to the Armistice Station that we originally saw at the very beginning of the BSG miniseries. No Cylon ambassador shows up.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST
the foley covering the cussing is going to get REAL OLD real fast.
by peter
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That would be awesome. Follow them out of Kobol, building the Temple on the algae planet, they pray to the 'it' God for protection, building the maelstrom as a sacred shine, tie into the Starbuck story as well as perhaps resolving the plot hole of the Tomb of Athena. I'd set it over multiple generations, and have it end with them all getting wiped out on 'real' earth. Has the potential to be fantastic. That's the thing with BSG, it might have had its mythology cobbled together as it went along, but most of it still makes sense and its rife for spin offs. Just make it better than 'The Plan'. Struggled to get through that shit. It's the only bit of the series I don't own, rather pretend it didn't exist.
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When Bryan Singer signed back onto the franchise, it was under the strict condition ALL Ron Moore stuff was done and done. This was already in the can, so they are allowed to air it. But all BSG going forward now is the Singer stuff (if it ever does come to light)
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I am saving it for when I finish another run watching the entire BSG series. It gives me something new to see at the end of it all this time. I like your idea of a multigenerational 13th Tribe miniseries. I don't know if you've seen the miniseries that Starz did of The Pillars of the Earth, but that is kind of what I thought of when you said multigenerational. I could see it working. It is a shame that TV is not into doing more miniseries spin-offs of popular shows. Even Caprica, which I liked, could have benefitted by having an endpoint and less time so they would have been more efficient with the overall story. A miniseries means they have to figure it out and wrap it up by the end. It sucks when you have to see something like Caprica start to weave all the various story threads together only to fizzle out because it gets cancelled.
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Yeah, I've also listened to Ron Moore's commentary as he released each podcast. He always admitted to making a lot of it on the fly, but he also said that he definitely had a rough outline for the overall story. Maybe it's my fault for assuming that all of it would make sense in the end. It's like he had the final scenes for each character mapped out in his head for the longest time, but as the series approached the finale he realized it didn't all match up... but then decided to link the actual ending with his planned ending anyway, regardless of plot holes or unexplained questions or logic. But like I said, I've only watched season 4 once. I'll probably watch it again some day. Loved the first 5 episodes of Season 3 and the last 3 episodes of Season 3. That was some of my favorite.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST
*It's like he had the final scenes for each character mapped out in his head for the longest time, but as the series approached the finale he realized it didn't all match up... but then decided to link the actual ending with his planned ending anyway, reg
by lv_426
Welcome to narrative writing. It can be a bit of a mindfuck at times.
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ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) BUT AT WHAT COST?
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And you didn't pay attention....at all.<p> <p> My only problem with the finale is the time period that they landed in. How did Greek culture survive for 150,000 years?<p> <p> The Colonials should have landed in ancient Greece, the Galactica should have been "Atlantis", and then everything would have made sense.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST
hairy nutsack -- I kind of liked Edward James Olmos' idea, even if it was a bit far out there
by lv_426
*I personally — this is not [from] any of the writers, but my thing — I wanted to come into [the present day], find Earth, cruise on top of it, see it for what it is, and as we're coming down to it, we're blown up, we're nuked. And then [someone says to] the President of the United States, which is [George W.] Bush, 'They've been taken care of. Thank God you saved the world again.' And you turn, and you see who told him that, and it's one of the Cylons.* It is bizarre but fun. I wish they could have filmed it and put it on the DVD/Blu as an alternate ending just so we could see it play out. The other idea that would have been interesting, and this is my crazy bullshit what-if notion... ... would be if for the finale the fleet found (our) Earth, set down in Raptors and shuttlecraft and found the ruins of a high tech civilization, one more advanced than our 21st Century one. Then they'd explore a bit and find the remains of what looked like a Cylon type robot. This planet would not be irradiated like the Earth where the 13th Tribe resided before their demise. This Earth, is much older. Later they'd find a planetarium, and would discover a star map that showed the star system where Kobol was located, as well as a more detailed map of the particular system with Kobol highlighted. This would imply that basically, the humans (us) were where things started out, and we went to Kobol in our future and established a colony. On Earth, whatever type of Cylon we made rebelled and everyone died or fled to Kobol. Thousands of years later the Fall of Kobol occurs and leads to the 12 Colonies and a splinter colony of Cylons, the 13th Tribe, who no doubt still had some reverence for their creators, which is why they named their world Earth after the planet of origin for both humans and Cylons.
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My biggest problem with the finale wasn't about the final cylon but as long as we're talking about what could have been... When the final cylon was going to be revealed, all my money was on Kendra from the Razor movie. That would have tied the whole thing together, it would have added extra meaning and purpose to making the 2 hour movie at all. I guess Ellen was fine but... if it had been Kendra, it would have made more sense with Ron Moore's cryptic hints that the final cyclon "has been on screen before."
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Nov. 10, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST
goldberg, no its not just you, I loved the ending of BSG, as did everyone I know in real life who watched the show
by Rebel Scumb
I get why people hate the ending of Lost, even if I don't agree with their reasons. I get it. I do not get the hate for the BSG ending at all. It was a wholly appropriate ending with big action, big reveals, great character moments and paid off all the set up. I also don't understand why people somehow feel that BSG having a bad ending (which it doesn't) somehow retroactively makes everything RDM has ever written, not just BSG but also TNG, DS9, carnivale null and void. It's the most irrational dislike of anything I can think of in geek culture and that's saying a lot. The stuff with the angels and god was in the series since day one. I have no idea what people were expecting from the ending but I can't imagine a better BSG finale than what they gave us.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST
I must have missed something, why doesn't the kobol map room make sense?
by Rebel Scumb
It showed the path to Earth, Not the earth we live on, but the 13th colony which was all cylons, of the Kobolian era variety, where Tigh and the 5 came from. The earth we live on is just named earth because the BSG crew called it that in honor of their quest to find 'earth' in the sense that they were looking for a new home.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST
the only thing I would change in the finale is I'd have Starbuck and apollo flying vipers during the big battle...
by Rebel Scumb
instead of leading the ground assault. it makes no difference storywise, but just would have been a nice nostalgic nod to the iconography of the earlier seasons and the original show.
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I love the other picks for the final five: Chief, Anders, Ellen, and Col. Tigh.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST
ninjabob, the problem with the whole final cylon reveal is no matter who it was, it wouldn't feel very satisfying
by Rebel Scumb
Because it needed to feel shocking, but any of the main crew would have felt shocking to the point of absurdity, and would be so obviously not obvious (ie adama is a cylon, oh what a twist!) not to mention that it might have made earlier episodes/seasons make less sense in retrospect actually I think probably the most shocking person they could have made it was Apollo. He's probably the one character I don't remember anyone at any point accusing of being a cylon. But it would be tough to explain how adama could be his father.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST
rebel scumb -- wasn't all the angel and spiritual mystic stuff in the original Battlestar series?
by lv_426
It has been awhile since I've seen much of the original BSG, but I've seen some episodes recently of the old school series again, and all that kind of stuff is in there too. Not only that, the prophecy stuff and religion was a factor for the re-imagined series from season one.
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I don't know how many times or different ways I can say this. My problem isn't with God or angels being part of the explanation for everything. My problem was that not only was there not a plan, but the cylons played it as if there were. They acted and reacted towards everything as if they knew what was going on and they didn't. And this wasn't a ploy or an act they did in front of humans to trick them. They also did this behind closed doors when talking among themselves. And in the end, it was bullshit.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 7 p.m. CST
My interpretation of Starbuck's mystery. She is essentially space jesus
by Rebel Scumb
That episode with the piano player dude who turned out to be her father, I forget the specifics but it basically alludes to the idea that he is 'god' in the BSG sense. Her mother also thought she had a special destiny. The way I see it, Kara is conceived in a mortal woman by 'god' so shes a bit of both She lives, and does 'die' when she goes into the maelstrom in season 3 she is 'resurrected' but not in the cylon sense, and comes back to the fleet to lead them to earth once she fullfills this destiny they she transcends like in the christian/biblical myths about Jesus beaming directly to heaven without dying a 2nd time after he does all his post-resurrection stuff.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST
lv_426, yeah I'm not super well versed in the old show, but it definitely had that stuff too. Actually my understanding is Larson designed it as a sort of Mormon scifi parabel
by Rebel Scumb
In head six is really interesting upon a series rewatch (which I did last year) the great twist is not that she is lying or tricking Baltar, just that everything she says is actually true and can be taken at face value. It just seems so omnious and mysterious that the audience like baltar just presumes she is not being honest with him. I think it holds up really well, and is even more interesting a 2nd time through. I honestly think the haters just weren't paying attention.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST
If Billy hadn't left the show, they wouldn't have needed to introduce Tory, and billy was a prime candidate for a cylon reveal
by Rebel Scumb
What I did like about Ellen being the final cylon though was the way they got to handle the reveal because she had died early in season 3, they got to go back and fill in all those gaps after her resurrection. I guess if it was Kendra that would have worked too, although there isn't the same character investment with her.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST
rebel scumb -- I remember reading all kinds of theories that Starbuck was a female version of Daniel, the missing humanoid Cylon that was boxed by Cavil
by lv_426
Perhaps Daniel figured out too much about the Lords of Kobol, communicated with them and ascended to their plane of existence, whatever that might be... and was reborn amongst the colonies in female form as Kara Thrace? Or perhaps I've smoked too much crack tonight?
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Nov. 10, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST
ninjabob, I agree there was no plan. well at least beyond the create a half human/half cylon
by Rebel Scumb
But to be fair, the lack of a cylon plan is evident from about half way through season 2. I don't feel this is a failing of the finale or the final season the show switched gears in the 2nd half of season 2, and almost got completely derailed after they left new caprica in season 3 (I personally think they should have stayed on new caprica for at least 10-20 episodes, make more a meal out of that stuff) But I just think the lack of cylon master plan isn't really worth complaining about by the time the finale rolled around. Another thing I would have prefered though for the series as a whole, is more main character deaths Personally, I would have had adama die at the end of season1 when boomer shoots him, and I would have had Roslin succumb to cancer in season 2 instead of recovering. I just prefer those types of stories where anyone can die, and the torch is passed to new characters. Would have been neat to see Starbuck and Apollo take command, etc. But since it wasn't that kind of show, I do think Adama and roslin were great characters even if I would have prefered them dead. Its more just my personal preference.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 7:10 p.m. CST
As for Blood & Chrome. the 1st 10min sold me, I'll just wait for the blu-ray to come out in february. But then I also thought Caprica was great.
by Rebel Scumb
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Nov. 10, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST
They could have really flipped everyone's biscuit and revealed the final Cylon as...
by lv_426
Admiral Helena Cain.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST
Interesting thing I noticed last time I watched Bladerunner
by Rebel Scumb
If you just pretend that future LA is actually Kobol, and mentally replace the word 'replicant' with 'cylon' Bladerunner (aside from being all kinds of awesome on its own) makes an awesome prequel to BSG Maybe gaff is adamas ancestor
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Well, if the whole thing plays itself out again and again over time, then maybe the Kobolians had their own type of Final Five Cylons too? Miami Vice also figures into all of this.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 7:15 p.m. CST
As a BSG sidenote, it really is criminal that Tricia Helfer doesn't have a bigger career. Her acting as all the different versions of 6 is amazing.
by Rebel Scumb
I think shes hotter and way more talented than Julia Roberts, Sandra Bullock, Cameron Diaz and many other A-list actresses. Instead though she's stuck doing crappy straight to dvd movies and failed tv pilots at least she'll be on Community this season
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Sort of like how The Wire, Luther, X-files, Picket Fences, Homicide, and all the Law and Order shows are all technically one universe. Mainly because of that richard belzer character who shows up in all of them
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Nov. 10, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST
rebel scumb -- Tricia Helfer is definitely deserving of bigger and better roles
by lv_426
You could say that about a lot of the BSG cast. Obviously EJO and Marry McDonnell already had pretty good careers going when BSG came along, but the others like Katee Sachoff, Jaime Bamber, etc... all really great and I'm surprised we haven't seen them go onto more big stuff. As for Tricia Helfer, I feel that if they ever did a Kobol series or miniseries, she'd have to be in there somewhere as one of the Olympian like Gods (Lords of Kobol). It just seems to make sense. Also, back when BSG was only knee deep into season one, I thought Ellen Tigh and Number 6 were going to be revealed to be related in some way. I guess that sort of happened, but I wasn't thinking anything like the whole Final Five complexity at that time. The early Ellen Tigh bits featured a part in one of the episodes where Head Six appears to Baltar and mentions how they'll have to keep an eye on her (referring to Ellen). Both of them being blonde, as we hadn't seen all the various iterations of number 6 at that point, made me wonder if there was some sort of connection.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST
Rebel scumb the Kobol map room doesn't make sense because
by theGoldbergV
the star patterns they see in the light show are the star patterns we see from real earth. As in now, here. The fact the tomb actually shows the way to a bombed out other earth full of cylons somewhere else in the universe doesn't really make sense. I read somewhere that everything that happened up until Kobol (the first 20 episodes) was in the initial pitch document to the network. So everything after that wasn't really planned for, at least not from the beginning. They must've changed their minds on what earth was going to be somewhere down the line. I really thought the final cylon was going to be Dee. That final 5 plot worked alot better than it really should have done, apparently none of them were planned from the off. Tigh worked because Michael Hogan just became awesome somewhere around season 2.5 and then just got better as the show progressed. Cheif there was some build-up for, him finding the Temple. Tory who cares. Anders the same. And Ellen, well, her scenes with Cavil in No Exit are so good you just about forgive it. Got to agree that as a finale its almost perfect. I second the Starbuck and Apollo in Vipers, plus I've never understodd how every minor character is in the finale except for Seelix. After they developed her a bit through the series its odd she's not even mentioned. But these are small gripes. Only on the internet is it regarded as a failure. Everyone I know who watched the series loved it.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST
I also thought the CGI looked (perhaps deliberately) cartoonish--a bit stylized. Definitely not the realistic grittty CGI from the recent series.
by tritium
Don't get me wrong...it is not bad,,,it is just "different". I get that they probably were going for more of a "comic book" style, and it works. By the way, can anyone chime in an explain why the didn't get the same actor who played young adama in the original webisode. He was fantastic. I do not really care for the actor who is now playing the role. I mean, it isn't like the original actor is appearing in all sorts of shows and films, is he? But damn he nailed the young Adama to a tee!
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I don't mind the re-mix of the original themes...but they can't do that forever.
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although its a bit off-putting when one of the Pegasus rapey boys and the cop from Caprica pop up in new roles. I guess there really is only 30 actors in the whole of Canada But the 3D sets and foleyed swearing is awful
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Nov. 10, 2012, 9:19 p.m. CST
tritium, yeah I'm not sure why they didn't get young Adama from RAZOR he was perfect
by Rebel Scumb
and that actor expressed a strong interest in returning when this project was first announced. His EJO impression was spot on.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST
well maybe the cop from caprica is meant to be the same character
by Rebel Scumb
Pegasus raping yee-hah guy though I have no explanation. But yeah, the same vancouver actors show up in everything produced there. The weirdest was when I was rewatching x files, BSG and SG1 all at the same time, soooooo many overlapping castings.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST
I didn't realize that about the stars, but I'm not an astronomy expert either
by Rebel Scumb
But at least Moore was upfront throughout that they were making it up as they went Helo was supposed to be dead after the miniseries and only was brought back due to fan feedback.
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although I think they made good use of having those 5 be cylons, my initial preference would have been for 4 of the final 5 to be just 4 new characters we'd never seen before, then save the 5th for a big reveal of a main character was a cylon all along.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST
Yeah Bear McCreary's music is awesome, I put on the BSG soundtracks all the time, especially when I'm working on my book
by Rebel Scumb
One of the most interesting composers working in film/tv today
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Introduce free will and the franchise will free itself from stagnation.
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Nov. 10, 2012, 11:51 p.m. CST
Battleship Galactica (like Lost & Prometheus) was a little too steeped in religious allegory for my tastes.
by RedJester
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Nov. 11, 2012, 6:21 a.m. CST
and that's perfectly fair redjester. The thing to me is that both BSG and LOST wore that on their sleeves from the beginning, so...
by Rebel Scumb
...I don't understand why suddenly in the series finale people act like it's something that came out of left field.
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is just short hand used either by people who want to defend their vested admiration of a show that was woefully underthought in terms of plotting, thematic emphasis and so forth or by people who understand that despite the transcendent moments and memorable characters the overall story arc was a mess of misdirection, cryptic hints, weak tangents (Baltar as Jesus? Really?) and undelivered narrative payoff. Looked more like a JJ Abrams house of cards than something like The Shield. They also tried way too hard to make the necessity of humanoid cylons MEANINGFUL and say IMPORTANT THINGS about current events and in so doing lost any lock they had on their story and any genuine character behavior within it. Sorry. Fail.
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My problem with LOST wasn't the religious, or more accurately spiritual, ending. It was that the flash sideways had almost nothing to do with the Island, it could have been the finale to any other show. Then of course there's the fact that none of the mythology makes a lick of sense and that every supposedly clued-in character on the show, the others, Ben, Widmore, Jacob, the temple others etc, ultimately had no idea what was going on despite acting like they did. I see LOST as one big magic trick, it's the JJ Abrams mystery box strung out for six years, and then eventually you find out there was nothing inside. Prometheus was more of the same but over 2 hours instead. I find it really fustrating watching Lindelof projects, he just throws out these cool visuals like a 4 toed statue or or giant face cave, and then references enough vague religious iconography to explain it away. I like the think LOST ended with the bomb going off. That'd have been much better
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Actually, I would say... "fucking great." I'd watch or buy this blu-ray now if I could. Most impressive on both the acting and overall look. And that's surprising, considering what I'd expected. Fuck... I mean, that was... really good. Hope to see this!
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I watched and enjoyed both shows, but they both could have been great without the religious allegory. That said, I understand atheists like me are in the minority and in the US of A, theology sells so I don't necessarily blame the writers and studios for doing so either.
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Nov. 11, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST
thegoldberg, I think the difference for me is I never expected or wanted the flashsideways to have any connection to the on island story
by Rebel Scumb
To me it was just a new way to explore the characters like the flashbacks in the earlier seasons. Any answers/payoff I was looking for, I was looking for in the on island stuff. I still really like LOST but also agree it's not perfect. My main issue with the wrap up is the Others ended up being not really important at all, and they were my favorite mystery on the show For me, the main issues with the show are mostly in season 5, not 6. I don't find the ending undoes any of what I enjoy about the show though, I found it a one of a kind fun journey all the way through (though the 5th season felt VERY sloppy to me) and I've since rewatched the whole series and enjoyed it just as much again.
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Well an agnostic is probably more accurate. I don't believe in god or life after death or anything like that, but I acknowledge that this belief is founded in nothing by my personal gut feeling, so I am open to the idea that there is plenty in the universe that is beyond human comprehension, and generally just think its better not to worry about it. But in the world of fiction I don't mind some spiritual stuff depending on how it's handled. I thought both BSG and LOST benefited from it, BSG especially because it was a show that dealt with many sides of religon, including many of the negatives. The way I see it even if I think religion is a load of hooey, which I do, I still see it as a big part of human culture as a whole, just like sex, and violence, and money and family, and art, so it bares exploring within the world of fiction, just so long as it's not presented in the right way. But that's just my personal tastes.
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Nov. 11, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST
I'm glad Blood&Chrome is good, it would have sucked for the last BSG story to have been THE PLAN which was pretty bad (aside from the attack on the colonies montage)
by Rebel Scumb
Although I did really like Caprica, it was an entirely different animal to BSG, so its good to see vipers battling toasters one last time
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Nov. 12, 2012, 1:30 a.m. CST
WHAT THE FRAK?! They're censoring "frak" as well, now?!
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Seriously, what the frak is with the noises covering up the fraks? It's frakking ridiculous.
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Not being a huge BSG fanatic, I have to say - this was really good !!!!
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Nov. 12, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST
Yep, this is pretty frelling good (can I use Farscape curse words?)
by lv_426
So far the two biggest criticisms I could launch at this are: 1) The actor they cast in the Razor flashbacks was more suited to portray a young Husker Adama. He even had the gruff Edward James Olmos voice down. It is too bad they didn't shoot this Blood & Chrome movie concurrently with Razor using the same sets and young Adama actor. Then they could have released Blood & Chrome after the series finale instead of The Plan. 2) The virtual sets, while cool looking, are no match for the actual sets they used for BSG. I know they had to tear those down and sell off the full size Viper and Raider replicas, but I miss the lived in feel of the real live sets from the series. I can't help but feel a bit of the Star Wars prequel vibe in that the BSG series was more real sets and locations like the Star Wars OT, while this Blood & Chrome movie is like the PT with too much shiny CGI. In this case though I am more forgiving, as the Blood & Chrome producers don't have the massive cash reserves and resources that Lucasfilm has. So here the limitations are more understandable. Overall I like this Blood & Chrome thing so far though. For what was probably a limited budget and no real love and support from the lowest common denominator minded SyFy execs, the crew pulled off some pretty nice new BSG for us to watch. I'll take it.
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Nov. 12, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST
Cool. Wish Netflix would pick it up for series if SyFy won't.
by Jimbobsq
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Nov. 12, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST
I like that idea jimbobsq. I also don't see why Universal couldn't team up with AMC and do this as a series
by lv_426
If AMC is willing to spend some dough on it, and all Universal had to do is spend a little bit to help out, why not? Battlestar fits better with the type of programming that AMC does now, as opposed to what SyFy shows these days. BSG would be a perfect companion to The Walking Dead. Regardless of whether Bryan Singer is going to someday make a big budget BSG movie, a series or longer miniseries of Blood & Chrome would help keep the BSG brand alive and in people's hearts and minds. I know I'll be less thrilled with the Bryan Singer film if Universal and SyFy basically bury all the BSG shows and spin-off movie like Blood & Chrome and Razor and The Plan, just to make them seem non-canonical or inauthentic in comparison to the big budget movie. I won't be surprised if they do that. Remember they announced the big budget movie remake of BSG like a couple months after the series finale, which was months before The Plan was even released.
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Huge potential ( even if you already know what happens in the end )! SYFY would be smart to let this go to a series. It would dwarf everything else it has. And to think this was just the first 2 episodes! Are you listening SYFY?
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Loved it.
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Why greenlight something this good when they can get ten crap fests from the Asylum for the same money?
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Decent enough acting and CG work that's at times almost loving 'fan film' more than pro, but it adds charm. And SCREW continuity... just make an entertaining trip worth the journey. And here's a controversial idea... how bout some aliens! Well, since we are in CG land anyway... ;-)
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I would watch this every week, definitely. Although, even as someone who loves the canon and didn't mind the ending of BSG, it still seems like they're awkwardly trying to shoehorn as many "Caprica" references as possible. I mean, even bringing up Greystone Industries seems a bit of a stretch. I doubt many people were discussing Hugo Boss during World War II, you know?
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If you remember the final episode of Caprica, it shed a little bit of light on it during the whole ending montage.