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Published at: Nov. 9, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

Last week Peter gained superpowers by transferring an Observer’s implant into his own brain.

Fox says of “Through the Looking Glass and What Walter Found There”:

A Fringe team member takes on a new role, and Walter follows leads to a key piece needed in the battle against the Observers.

The roundtable guests on HBO’s “Real Time With Bill Maher” this week are political strategist James Carville, hot conservative atheist S.E. Cupp and commentator Andrew Sullivan; actor Samuel L. Jackson is an interview guest.

ABC’s new sitcom “Malibu Country” got terrible reviews but emerged as Friday’s biggest show, improving on Tim Allen’s “Last Man Standing” audience and giving “Shark Tank” probably its best number ever:

Fridays, Sept. 7-Nov. 2, 2012
(Adults 18-49; repeats in gray; earlier weeks in parentheses)
2.3 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Malibu Country
2.3 (1.8) (2.0) (1.8) (1.8) (1.5) (1.6) (1.8) (---) Shark Tank
2.0 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Last Man Standing
1.8 (1.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Gold Rush
1.8 (2.0) (1.5) (1.6) (1.6) (1.6) (0.6) (0.6) (0.4) Grimm
1.5 (1.5) (1.2) (1.4) (1.2) (1.3) (1.0) (0.7) (0.6) CSI NY
1.5 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) NBA Basketball
1.5 (1.4) (1.4) (1.4) (1.2) (1.3) (1.4) (1.8) (1.3) 20/20
1.5 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Undercover Boss
1.3 (1.5) (1.3) (1.4) (1.2) (1.5) (0.7) (0.6) (0.6) Blue Bloods
1.2 (1.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Jungle Gold
1.1 (1.4) (1.3) (1.3) (1.3) (1.3) (1.0) (0.9) (0.9) Dateline
1.0 (0.9) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Kitchen Nightmares
0.9 (0.9) (---) (1.0) (1.0) (1.1) (---) (---) (---) Fringe
0.9 (0.8) (0.8) (0.8) (0.7) (0.7) (0.9) (0.8) (0.8) Robot Chicken
0.8 (0.8) (0.9) (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (0.8) (0.8) (0.8) WWE Smackdown
0.5 (0.5) (0.4) (---) (---) (0.5) (0.6) (0.5) (0.4) For Better Or Worse
0.5 (0.3) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (0.3) (0.5) (---) (---) Haven
0.4 (0.4) (0.6) (---) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.6) (0.6) Am Next Top Model
0.4 (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (---) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) Bill Maher
0.4 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Brides Of BH
0.4 (0.3) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Health Inspectors
0.4 (0.5) (0.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Mystery Diners
0.4 (0.5) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) Say Yes To/Dress
0.4 (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (---) (---) (0.3) (---) (---) Shepard Smith
0.4 (0.4) (0.4) (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (0.2) The O’Reilly Factor
0.3 (---) (0.3) (0.3) (---) (---) (---) (0.3) (---) Bret Baier
0.3 (0.6) (0.3) (---) (0.6) (---) (0.8) (0.5) (0.5) College Football
0.3 (0.3) (0.4) (0.3) (0.3) (---) (---) (0.3) (0.2) Hannity
0.3 (0.3) (0.3) (0.4) (0.4) (0.3) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) House Hunters Intl
0.3 (0.2) (0.3) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Nikita
0.3 (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (---) (0.2) (0.3) (---) (---) Rachel Maddow
0.3 (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (---) (---) (0.3) (---) (---) The Five
0.3 (0.3) (---) (0.2) (---) (---) (---) (0.3) (---) Van Susteren

 

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  • Nov. 9, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Ha! HUNTED doesn't even make the list!!

    by TopHat

    Bring back softcore, Cinemax. Your penchant for violence over sex is not paying off!

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Peter = Neo

    by 2bitkubrick

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Damn I'm gonna miss Fringe ...

    by 2bitkubrick

    Its not my favorite show ever, I know its got its problems, but ... there's just nothing else like it on TV right now. Its weird, it tries new things (not always successfully), and it just fills a void for me that I don't see any other shows stepping up to do. The Fabulous Bishop boys will be missed.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Final Season of Fringe...

    by ScriptCunt

    At first I thought that a final season would be unnecessary and superfluous after the wind-up of the 4th but I'm glad that it hasn't turned out to be nothing but a coda of filler stuff. I'm betting on the secret weapon being a time travel device that lets them beat the Observers to the punch and prevent the world from reaching the sorry state that it's currently in (current for those living in 2036). But regardless, a little more Noble and Torv is an awesome thing.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    @scriptcunt

    by skiprat1

    Awesome name. I think you're right re: time travel, but probably with some considerable sacrifice by one or more of the Fringe team. Talking of, I wish they'd give us more of a reason to care if anything happens to Agnes this season.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Fringe - Last week changed everything

    by mongo126

    After the tree people episode, I thought this season was going to be some scavenger hunt to build The Machine. ...then there was the last 10 minutes of episode 4 (bye Etta) Then, the Fringe gang upped the game 10x fold. Seeing Peter become unhinged and begin to go to a very dark place and going somewhere nobody thought he would....well....that was a masterstroke. I am now fully vested in the last 8 episodes. What will the Observer tech do to Peter? Is this the path to the origins of the Observers? Can Olivia save him? Will Walter ever get another strawberry shake? I will be sad when January 18th comes, but I'm sure going to enjoy the trip.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    The Growing Trend In Quality Television (*Possible Spoilers*)

    by Dustin Michaels

    Fringe(along with Walking Dead, Homeland and Sons Of Anarchy to name a few) are changing up what viewers have come to expect in terms of plot twists. WE EXPECT the big game changers/twists to happen in the last couple episodes of either the season or mid-season. Quality show runners are smartening up to this and are punching us in the brain early and often. Etta dying and Peter going all SuperPeter on us. Opie dying early on. Brody getting discovered. Laurie's 12 year old son putting a bullet in her head. It's unexpected, and it's not a "stunt" move. It's a massive change of the entire course of the show. It's took them long enough, but the writers are not lazily building up to one big season long explosion(that may or may not satisfy us), they are blowing shit up throughout.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Opie

    by daydaykay

    Opie died? Does Andy know?

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST

    @scriptcunt on the Time Travel Theory

    by Dustin Michaels

    I also believe time travel will be a big element of the endgame. These are my various theories on how: - I think William Bell had discovered the time travel capabilities with September's help and was trying to redeem himself/save the planet from the invasion. Whatever the machine is, it has the same DNA specific tech that the Peter Death Machine had and that's why Walter took his hand out of the amber. - Bell had used the Time Travel capabilities to deliver the ZFT manual (or at least the information in it) to past Walter and past Bell. Walter couldn't handle the information about the future and that's why he had Bell cut the parts out of his brain. AND...the ending of last week, at least I think, explains why A.) September saved Peter and Walter from drowning and B.) Why the Observers were so hellbent on writing Peter out of existence last season. He was rebelling against the Observers, and they all knew SuperPeter would have the ability to at least assist in bringing them down.

  • I remember Walter saying he abandoned the time travel stuff since it could be used to pull anyone from anywhere in time.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Say what you want about Malibu Country

    by thepoohguy

    But Sara Rue was HILARIOUS and HOT! Not to mention Lilly Tomlin proved she's still just as funny as she always has been!

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Samuel L Jackson on Real Time?!

    by Kyle DeMattio

    Ohh, this should be interesting

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Final 8 eppy's of Fringe

    by Keith

    God I'm gonna miss this show. Uneven and sometimes downright annoying at times (Olivia as William Bell, the gravelly Nimoy imitation that even Nimoy wouldn't have recognized) but still one of the best shows we've had on TV. Now, please give us a great sendoff, and don't do a Lost "WTF???" finale

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Fringe!

    by Matthew

    I forget is Walter a Twizzler or Red Vines family type? I hope he gets that strawberry milkshake. I addicted to fringe now, will be reading this talkback later, and r/ fringe page. I hope they answer the unanswered questions this season, like what I thought was a little kid observer with September looking on as the kid was in a car passing by. Some say Peter is the first Observer somehow. Patrick Stewart as an Observer if there is still time would of be cool.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    kravmaguffin, Season one

    by Keith

    They pulled David Robert Jones (David Bowies real name BTW) from the German prison (ep 10)

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Time travel tech

    by skiprat1

    Walter came up with it? I've forgotten more than I know about this show - there's so much to it. Not complaining though. Really going to miss it.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Citizens Arrest Citizens Arrest!

    by Matthew

    I too could not believe Opie was beaten to death in front of Aunt Bee, Andy, and Goober. Boy! Barney Fife got that prison guard back with a snow globe!

  • ....$1 Million dollars by Maher... Money well spent. $300 Million spent by Karl Rove's Crossroads America Super-PAC , just to increase the Democrats in the Senate and House and give Obama a Swing/Battleground states near-sweep, and also give us that wonderful sequence where Megyn Kelly of all people was correcting him that Obama had really won the election.... Priceless.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 4:25 p.m. CST

    It'll be even more fun to watch the Stock Market crash again

    by Kyle DeMattio

    Oh, by the way 2 days after Obama got re-elected, Stocks plummeted by 300 points and now Boeing is laying off a bunch of people. Good times, good times.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    oh Uncle Billy ...

    by Judge Briggs

    Shouldn't you know by now ( from right-wing polls leading up to the election saying Romney would win by a landslide), that when right-wing news tells you something, ya prolly be better to look it up through other news sources? The stock market having jitters has nothing to do with Obama being re-elected ... the stock market is struggling at the moment because Germany says its economy is slowing down. Go google it ... Oh and let's remember that the stock market reached record heights under Comrade Obama's rule and corporations are earning record profits. As for your other news story ... shouldn't you be concerned/mad/annoyed that millionaires are throwing a temper-taptrum and laying off workers out of of political spite? That is the definition of why people fucking hate corporations and Republicans. But please, keep up the ridiculousness ... my party will continue to win elections based on people like you not making informed decisions based in reality and from scientific facts ...

  • BOR- 2.4 the dullard maddow- 1.8 no wonder BOR took a dip, the depression of America in both the financial and emotional has just begun. sad time for America. now, the *all important* demo... BOR- 553 the dullard maddow- 568 u know its sad when the dullard maddow can barely beat BOR by just 15k AFTER a socialist (marxist/communist..take ur pick) progressive gets re-elected. and u idiot progressive keep insisting that oblamyas re-election is a referendum?? sad days indeed...

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 5:57 p.m. CST

    kravmaguffin

    by Paul

    That was teleportation that they used to get David Robert Jones out of the German prison, not time travel

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST

    briggs...

    by jay2517

    *The stock market having jitters has nothing to do with Obama being re-elected ...*--- SURE IT DOESNT!! keep those idiot progressive blinders on!! thats why it was going UP before the election. they were hedging that Romney would get elected, but look what happened AFTER ur socialist (communist.marxist...take ur pick) comrade got elected. get ur head out of the sand...shit, forgot who i was talking too...proceed! * ... shouldn't you be concerned/mad/annoyed that millionaires are throwing a temper-taptrum and laying off workers out of of political spite?*--- thats just an outright lie. they are doing this because of the increased taxes and oblameyacare being implemented fully. its comon sense man....shit, forgot who i was talking too....proceed! sad times indeed...

  • and they know that its only going to get worse. Its basic economics that when you take more and more money from a buisness to give to someone else, then that buisness has less money to give to their workers, less money to keep the place open and less money to give to charity, so its not wonder that everything that Obama has done has ruined the economy, the stock market and the chance to hire/keep on workers.

  • ...should be *fun*!! btw- hes a pig too...

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 6:02 p.m. CST

    true dat, pa!

    by jay2517

    BTW- wheres mcgoo been??

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST

    HEY, MGOOO! WHERE U AT BUDDY???

    by jay2517

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST

    judge, you should be concerned less about me...

    by Kyle DeMattio

    and more concerned about jay2517. He seems to be more on the ball than I am. The only reason why the stocks were high is because the liberal government wanted the stocks to keep going that way (and despite what many have told you the Government does play a pivotal role in financing, it doesn't matter what party controls it) in order for Obama to get re-elected. And now that he has been re-elected, he's got nothing to lose, so fuck everything else. Send me your insurance rates when Obamacare kicks in. Sayonara

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST

    paindonthurt

    by Paul

    Your partially correct, Lost actually did it also with Boone getting killed off mid 1st season, Shannon the 8th episode of 2nd season, Eco the 3rd of 3rd season, etc. But your correct, TV in general is improving greatly and its largely due to the shows that you sited.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST

    philjacksonisthemasterofzen

    by Paul

    Walter is a Red Vines guy, I agree that Patrick Stewart would be awesome, not sure if they would get him, but he would be awesome. I'd love to see Michael Emerson as an Observer since they already got Jorge Garcia and Henry Ian Cusick to guest star. He would be creepy as an Observer.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 8:24 p.m. CST

    The next 4 years are off to an interesting start

    by PDepew2181

    I mean, Boehner sounds willing to deal, Hannity's position on immigration has "evolved" (can't believe he used that word), there's going to be big Cabinet changes... But then I come here and everything is the same. Glad to know where I can expect everything to stay the same.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 8:38 p.m. CST

    sad days for jay2517 = good days for true Americans

    by Uncle Pooky

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Fringe

    by NudeandAroused

    Was excellent tonight. The ending was quite touching.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 10:23 p.m. CST

    jay2517

    by Bob

    You do know that Socialism, Communism, and Marxism are three different things, right? You can't be all three. Oh and don't forget Muslim, which of course really makes it confusing. But you seem pretty confused already. Oh, and businesses that already offer their own healthcare to it's employees will not be affected by Obamacare. Any company that's pulling this shit is full of it, and should probably go under anyway. I could waste more time educating you, but I can see people like you never learn anything, even when presented with facts.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Loved how they finally brought the child Observer back

    by Paul

    I'm curious if we get to see him again. Soooo glad that they didn't do like season 3 where the machiene made Peter evil and then it was back to normal the next episode. And the conversation between Walter and Peter at the end was really interesting where Walter was fearful of regressing and that was kind of what Peter was doing. It will be interesting to see how Widmark uses the information since he now knows about it. Its kind of doubtful, but I'm wondering if Possibly the child Observer actually left after Walter left him there and if its possibily Windmark? Probably not, but I got to wondering. Anyways great episode like always, my wife thought that it was silly that they were able to get away from the Observers so easily, I kind of agree, but to me so what, this season has been so awesome little things like that are forgivable.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 1:35 a.m. CST

    paburrows_rises

    by Bricklyne

    You mad bro?

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 1:43 a.m. CST

    nope, just concerned

    by Paul

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 3:42 a.m. CST

    You all know Fringe will end...

    by dj_bollocks

    with the timeline restored as Peter returns to his original universe as a kid, right ? It's the only vaguely satisfying deus ex machina they have left. All of this happened because of Walter taking Peter out of his universe and the consequences of that. I'm pretty sure if that moment hadn't happened then the Observers would have carried on their business. And Fringe really isn't a show that deserves a happy ever after.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 6:16 a.m. CST

    ...be a better man than your father

    by mongo126

    Watching Peter's progression into Observerdom is fascinating. In the fight with the Observer, it was like watching Neo fight Morpheus because he's learning what he can do while he's fighting. Kudos to Joshua Jackson, because, like Noble and Torn, he's doing a great job at morphing his character into something else. The subtle change in expressions and reactions is great to watch. The previews to next week look like it's escalating and Olivia is starting to notice. Going to be great to see Peter in "take out Observers" mode. A theory... If Peter can be saved, it has to be Olivia who will do it via remnant of the Cortexiphan. As strong as she was, I have to think that she didn't lose everything in the season 4 finale. dj_bollocks does have a valid point, that Peter going back to the original timeline makes sense, but I don't agree that Fringe has to have a sad ending. Writers have said that this is a love letter to the fans and killing off the people and relationships the fans love would be a big "fuck you".

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    fringe... the doors in the pocket universe

    by MurderMostFowl

    The doors in the hallway where the kid was...That was a nice touch.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Olivia's role this season

    by ShadowVision

    I don't know if it is just me, but Olivia seems a little restrained this season. It seems almost like she has moved from becoming a major player in the story-lines to a minor player like Astrid. She is quiet a lot and follows the directions set by either Peter or Walter. Maybe its because she is not officially working for the FBI and reporting to Broyles and introducing cases that makes the difference in this dynamic.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Olivia

    by mongo126

    I don't see Olivia being relegated to a 2nd tier character. This season has been playing like acts in a movie. The first act was about Etta and the family unit. Now, we're seeing Peter and his struggles with Etta's death. Olivia is becoming a bigger part of the story and, I think, will be the key (if it happens) to saving Peter. I look for this part of the season to be about Peter, maybe until episode 8 or 9. The last 3-4 episodes will be the culmination of the "plan" and the finale.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST

    I agree with mongo126

    by Paul

    It probably will go like dj_bollocks said but with a happy ending, although the creators have been known to go totally left field and do something that no one expected, so we'll see.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 10:26 a.m. CST

    murdermostfowl - Yeah I noticed that,

    by Paul

    each door had one of the symbols that they have before commercials which always make up a code word. last time they did that was the Pilot when one of the symbols was on a handprint doorlock at massive dynamic. Its interesting how the door of the child Observer was the apple with the two fetus'es.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST

    I thought this all started

    by thepoohguy

    Because September distracted Walternate. That's what really set everything in motion.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    your right thepoohguy

    by Rebel Scumb

    That's what I've been saying for the past few weeks No September to distract Walternate means Peter gets cured in the alt universe, which means our Walter never crosses over, no crossover means no fringe events, no fringe events means no pattern, Olivia and Peter never meet, etc. Not sure if this is the way they will go, but it is certainly a very rubegoldbergian contraption of plot circumstances that one small change would effect a lot, which does feel very much in keeping with how Fringe operates.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Astro has got

    by Michael Gunn

    A greeeeeeeeaaaaat Ass!! BTW great episode.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Olivia this season, I see it as the payoff to her overall arc

    by Rebel Scumb

    it took forever for her to let her defenses down, and learn to love and show a softer side this is post-happily ever after Olivia only after that the world got concurred by evil observors and her daughter died I just think she's changed too much and evolved too much as a character now that she can't quite get back to where she was to be all armor and business, and I find that really poignant and true to her character to be honest, it's very human. Plus Peter has always been dwarfed in the shadow of Olivia and walter, he's a likeable enough character but has never really in my opinion been a standout for this show, more functional then he is effective, so its nice for him to finally really come out swinging, and fully form as a character

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 11:10 a.m. CST

    michael gunn, re: Astrid's Ass

    by Rebel Scumb

    I noticed that too in this episode! Both she and Torv were looking extra yummy

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Rebel Scumb

    by Michael Gunn

    Yes they both were pretty good.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Walters little leg move

    by Extr3m1st

    I thought that was hilarious, when they were about to leave the pocket universe Walter was setting up his patented cross over leg move to go out of the universe and Peter just grabbed him and threw him through the portal. I miss Etta, the beginning of the episode was heart breaking.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Hunted = best new show of the fall 2012 season imho

    by Rebel Scumb

    Really my only complaint is they gave it such a generic title, when something like BYZANTIUM or HOURGLASS would have been more interesting Great spy show though, lots of good suspense, great directing, intriguing plot, its a shame no one seems to be watching

  • Security camera catches walter with facial recognition, wouldn't these cameras be everywhere?? why is it only just now catching him, and it takes the badguys hours to react why would the observers ride over in trucks when they can teleport? Why haven't they searched etta's apartment or posted someone to watch it. It just seems really odd that they are running their police state so ineffectively. In every other respect this season has been very strong

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb - Yeah I'm glad that Peter's got more to do

    by Paul

    I've never really thought that he didn't have much to do or wasn't fully formed, but this extra focus is a great thing. I'me really hoping that we finally get with this Peter focus that we get some sort of meaningful flashback of his conman days. How and why he choose that lifestyle as opposed to any other lifestyle, etc. Have it be a falshback on the same level as the two 1980's flashbacks.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Problem with the reset theory

    by ShadowVision

    @mongo126 you are probably right about the dynamics of the characters. Have to wait and see. As far as the resetting the timeline, I don't really see how that would change the Observers' motivations for conquest. Even if September did not make the mistake he did, the Observers would probably still follow the course of action they are now(which hasn't fully been explained yet why they are intent on world domination). Also, Walter was partially motivated to create a window to the alternate dimension when his Peter died. Even if the alternate Peter weren't in danger of dying he probably would have crossed over to the other side anyway to see that Peter or experience that world.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    agreed, that would be a big plus and nicely bring things full circle

    by Rebel Scumb

  • that their own timeline is altered in such a way that fringe division need never exist, and Olivia and Peter never met. Its not that resetting the timeline would stop the observers, but the other way around, stopping the observers would reset the timeline

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Fringe zzzzzz

    by daydaykay

    Is Fringe over? I fell asleep. Had Peter become one of the Borg? I was a huge fan of Fringe. But not what it's become this season. I will still watch it, but I really have lost any emotional ties to it. The characters are all sort of out of character and the plots are just plain uninteresting and depressing. Walter lost in a hallway...zzzzzz

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Donald?

    by Rebel Scumb

    Anyone have any theories where they are going with this?

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Cecil

    by Rebel Scumb

    I can't tell if this character was an amazing misdirect, a clumsy bit of scripting, or meerly a device to give someone for Walter to talk to in the first half of the episode. I kept expecting some sort of payoff to that character, but in a weird way the fact that there was none sort of felt like the most interesting and unexpected instead of an 'Actually... I AM Donald muahhahahaha' reveal

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Donald

    by Paul

    My guess is its the human name that the Observer child's adoptive parents gave him.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Cecil

    by Paul

    Cecil was there (and died) so that Walter and peter could have the discussion on the train about Walter reverting to his old self and the play off of Peter becoming like an Observer.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 3:38 p.m. CST

    yea, what am I missing regarding "Donald"?

    by TheSeeker7

    could have used a "previously on" for this episode... WTF is Donald? I'm not sure I can even remember hearing the name before. And if we did, presumably though we never saw his face, since they were taking such pains to hide it here.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST

    rebel re:Cecil

    by mongo126

    Cecil was used as a means to show how Walter is becoming a dickwad again. He was like a Red Shirt in Star Trek.

  • speaking of they've really been having a lot of their all star, heavy hitters on lately. Barney Frank, Eliot Spitzer, Matt Taiibi, Michael Steele, Rick Lazio, SE Cupp, Andrew Sullivan, James Carville. and now Michael Moore next week for the finale (which, I'm MUCH more liberal than I am conservative, even though I'm not quite comfortable with being called straight up a 'liberal', and even I have sorta gotten sick of Moore after awhile)

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST

    theseeker7, re: S E Cupp

    by Rebel Scumb

    Yeah I only heard of her for the first time a few months ago during her last Real Time appearance. I can't make heads or tails of what she believes but she is definitely very fuckable in a hot libarian sort of way. As for Michael Moore, I'm very liberal, and liked his earlier stuff especially Roger and Me, but agree he just reached an over saturation point where he became very counter productive. Haven't seen anything with him in years though so will be curious to see his appearance next week.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Cecil

    by Rebel Scumb

    Yeah that's a good point, and actually that's what I really liked about how he was used.

  • Just surreal enough, and looked really great with the moving windows and hallways to nowhere. I loved that the act break code/symbols had an in show appearance.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST

    darth...

    by jay2517

    *You do know that Socialism, Communism, and Marxism are three different things, right? You can't be all three.*--- yes i do and actually he has all three tendencies....so, YES, u can be all three. * But you seem pretty confused already.*--- have u read ur post? *Oh, and businesses that already offer their own healthcare to it's employees will not be affected by Obamacare*--- oh really? just watch. *I could waste more time educating you,...*--- PLEASE(!!!) continue, people like u amuse me.

  • ...too bad there few and FAR between.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST

    I don't think Fringe will go time travel,

    by estacado1

    My theory is that they're gonna have to open the door to the alternate universe again and get help from the other side. Peter's son from the other side might have a role.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST

    The questions no one is asking

    by jtp8000

    why did the observers come to 2016 in particular? What is their plan? World domination? They are from the fucking future so they own the world. There must be a reason the observers went from benign to ruthless dictators

  • Maybe even both, as for Peter and Bolivia's son he was erased when Peter was erased at the end of season 3.

  • little sample- *...The other good news is the Republicans are taking the loss well. Who am I kidding? Are you serious? No. It’s like half the nation just found out that their wife is fucking a black guy.* keep giving this racist an outlet to spread his hate, Hacker Herc!!! keep giving him it to him u hypocrite! pathetic...

  • Etta I believe said that the Observers had ruined the earth in their future that they came back here to concore the Past. The speicifics haven't yet been revealed. I do find it funny that they ruined their planet in the future and so when they come back here they decide to install devices that ruin the enviornment.

  • If their goal was simply to travel back to the past to a time before they became the norm so that they could establish a society where they rule -- why stop at only 2036? (or whenever exactly they first came back, I forget what the year was) Wouldn't it have been smarter to have traveled back even EARLIER in our history? To a point where we wouldn't have had nearly as advanced resources with which to fight back and resist?

  • Republicans are two steps away from being Nazi's, and I think they are on the precipice of crossing over into the next phase, which is open revolution. The GOP is dying a violent death, and sadly I doubt that they will go down quietly. More likely they will continue to charge faster to the right instead of understanding how progressive this country actually is in reality. People who have been paying attention have been saying for years that the main reason private companies aren't hiring is because many of the larger employers are Republicans and were trying to sabotage the economy on purpose to spite Obama and make him a one term president. Of course, that sounds like a "crazy right-wing conspiracy", accept for the part where it was actually true. Now that the black socialist has been re-elected, these faux-conservatives are showing why the Republican party is nothing but a bunch of racist bullies that should be thrown in jail for firing their employees because of who they voted for or who is president, especially when their "excuses" blaming the president's policies don't begin to hold up to scrutiny.

  • He usually tries to couch it in some kind of joke, but boy he sure has loved reminding us that he gave 1 million of his own dollars to that one Obama PAC fund.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Better not be Donald Ex Machina

    by tangcameo

    Are there any Fringe character who we never knew by their first name? Has anyone ever spoken the name Donald within earshot of Astrid (hoping she might say 'oh! Donald! Why didn't you say so')? He better be someone we know from past Fringe episodes. If he turns out to be a throwaway character, I'll be pissed. I mean I love the show, but it seems to be wandering aimlessly this season.

  • what a fucking box of rocks u are...

  • this is all conjecture based on what we know, but: I figure that September's team was sent into the past to study all eras, all possible timelines to determine at what point the observers could safely conquer the past without creating a paradox that would erase themselves from history. Once the team had that figured out, the invasion force could arrive

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST

    paburrows

    by Rebel Scumb

    I don't think Donald is the kid, only because they made of point of saying that in the video walter appeared to be talking to 2 distinct people, donald and the kid

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Donald could = September

    by Rebel Scumb

    afterall they did explain the calendar names are just codenames and he hasn't shown up yet this season, yet it would make sense if he was the one helping walter prepare given how last season ended

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 7:08 p.m. CST

    A Time Travel reset will lower my opinion of Fringe

    by FrodoFraggins

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST

    is September dead?

    by TheSeeker7

    I've been thinking lately I should go back and rewatch like the last 4-5 episodes of season 4, because I'm realizing there are certain details I can't quite remember. Did September die in one of the last episodes last season? is that why we've yet to see him at all?<br> <br> and speaking of Observers dying, when our heroes have been firing those guns at Observers so far this season, are they indeed killing them? Because those obviously aren't traditional guns, there's that weird sound they make when they're fired, then the target moves like they've just been blown back by a massive force of energy. Actually what they made me think of the first time I saw a "shot", you remember those special guns that were used in "Minority Report", particularly when Cruise is on the run in that car manufacturing plant? It was like a shotgun that had a barrel you had to physically whip around for each new shot, but you weren't shooting the victim with any sort of bullet, instead you were shooting a concentrated sort of blast of energy at them so you could seriously deter but not kill the person.

  • the final moment was him showing up to warn Walter 'they are coming' its been alluded to that september helped them prepare for the invasion, but what happened to him after that is unclear I guess william bell still figures into all of this future stuff somehow too

  • I like Nimoy, but I just could never buy him as Bell, the casting felt off and he's also way too old. Would have been better with someone who was a contemporary to Walter, hence my 2 suggestions.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST

    You dont know what you don't know

    by Ed

    from last weeks Origins. The Observers know a path they want Walter Peter &Olivia on, but not exact timing. Peter is where they want him.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 10:52 p.m. CST

    theseeker7

    by Paul

    September did die, but then Peter somehow used that capsule thing to bring him back to life. But then this season they talked about him dying again, So maybe thats why the capsule was in the trailer for next week? Maybe they are going to bring him back a second time? Not sure. As for the gun I remember the episode where the Observer fell in love with and kidnaped a girl that the hitman was using one of those blast guns and somehow Peter was able to obtain one and turn it into the government so by 2036 I would bet that they figured out how to replicate a bunch so that the resistance would have some.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Donald

    by skiprat1

    I was wondering if Donald might in fact be Brandon from Massive Dynamic. But I doubt it. That was a good, enjoyable episode, despite it not getting us further along in the plot very far (I mean, really all the advancements to the plot could have been covered in ten minutes - Peter's powers, the Observer boy). The raspberry filling scene was classic Walter. It would be great if each episode the observers take longer and longer to get to wherever the Fringe team have just been located: calling a cab, arriving by horse and carriage, arriving on one of those hand-powered railway cart things. The possibilities are endless.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Donald #2

    by skiprat1

    http://fringepedia.net/wiki/Donald_Long I don't think it's him either. I have a feeling we'll never see him. When I saw the back of his head I immediately thought of Giancarlo Esposito. Good Lord, that would be some amazing casting. And vaguely possible given he's on ... that show about the power going off whose name I've forgotten.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Please don't feed Jay2517

    by hst666

    the dullard simply trolls this talkback and says deliberately inane and outrageous things to get feedback (also see Ann Coulter's entire professional career)

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Also: arriving by skateboard.

    by skiprat1

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 5:18 a.m. CST

    Is it possible

    by Extr3m1st

    that the observers have a limited distance where they can step in and out of those portals. Why would they ever need to be in a car? And if you can always appear behind someone why approach any one from the front. Why didn't the guy Peter had the fight with not do that move right away to take Peter out? I know why obviously but...

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Observers/September

    by mongo126

    I know that time travel is always a slippery slope, but since the Observers can view time at any point, shouldn't they always be a step ahead? Did you notice after Peter transported and Windmark watched him....he started to smile? Is Peter implanting the tech an Observer plan or something they knew was going to happen? As for September, remember in "Letters of Transit" where Walter said that something "unexpected" happened to September? I'm sure that's coming soon.

  • I thought that was a nice touch cinematically and emotionally, but admittedly part of my brain was thinking: 'how the heck did someone paint something that big without being noticed, it would days to complete that!' Or maybe in the future they have some sort of graffitti gun that you can just point from the street and it lasers it to a surface of any size.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Donald = September cont'd

    by Rebel Scumb

    Another reason I could see this being the case is, upon learning that September's real name is Donald, I can see Walter just taking to that name like he'd always called him that what little of donald we saw he had hair, but maybe they are doing a whole thing of September becoming more human? I dunno, it probably is someone else, and could end up just being a throwaway character like Cecil they just have the luxury of setting up a few episodes in advance.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 7:04 a.m. CST

    The Etta Murals

    by mongo126

    Have you been noticing that they've been featured right after a "big moment" (bombing the wormhole, Peter kills Observer)? I'm thinking this a big, blinking neon sign to say "hey, this changed something". So, by their present actions, they're changing things that have been done by Observers in the past. We're ~halfway through and these last 2 episodes have me really excited to see where they go with this.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 7:46 a.m. CST

    The scene on the monorail at the end I thought Peter was

    by SID 8.0

    Seeing 1s and 0s ala Neo. Three great eps in a row and I think Donald is someone we haven't met yet. I don't think it's September. Loved the fight scene that was brutal. Also liked Olivia pulling the Invader with her back to the other universe to blast him.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Yes, Olivia is still a badass

    by mongo126

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST

    HUNTED...I'm watching

    by film11

    It stars Melissa George, after all.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by Paul

    Or Donald could be an important name to Walter and so he named September that?

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    mongo126 That could be true about the murals

    by Paul

    There was also one (I believe) on the bridge when Broyles meet with Olivia Peter & Walter. I kind of think that its a way for the writers to keep Etta fresh in our minds and her importance even if its now just symbolic.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    film11

    by Rebel Scumb

    Yeah I've liked her ever since DARK CITY and also from her character in the first season of IN TREATMENT

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Yeah Etta becoming an icon of the resistence is a very nice touch

    by Rebel Scumb

    It shows really well the idea of how one person can make a difference, even posthumously

  • please, show how my posts are NOT factual and relevant. BTW- the dullard maddow is a dullard, not I. quit stealing my lines.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST

    S.E. CUPP'S TWAZZER SMELLS LIKE BAD MILK.

    by I am the Terminator

    Show me how my post is NOT factual. You suck, JAY2517-90210!!!! YET ANOTHER FACT!!!!! NEW AND IMPROVED!!

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Fringe

    by skiprat1

    I think now that - having re-watched Saturday's episode - the hunt for the various pieces on the tapes is a huge red herring. None of it's going to matter as either a) on-the-tapes Walter knows this is a huge mis-direct, but he's taking part in a plan possibly concocted by September to lead the team to a specific posit where something must/will potentially happen, or b) they're going to gather the stuff, but all be killed before they can figure out how to use it. Given that right now, the only people invested in this show are the original fans, maybe they're going for the Blakes 7 ending, as opposed to wrapping up the actual storyline. Not that their deaths wouldn't be wrapping it up, but rather they're ending it in a "this is the definite end" kinda way, regardless of whether the observers are beaten or not. Sorry, I'm at work and rushing, so may not be making sense.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST

    @rebel scum

    by film11

    I think nearly all males who saw it took notice of Melissa in DARK CITY. And she lip-synced "Little Star" quite nicely in Lynch's MULHOLLAND DRIVE as well.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST

    What's the opposite of "jumping the shark"?

    by CharlesG

    Whatever the opposite is of "jumping the shark", that's what Fringe has done this season.

  • Nov. 12, 2012, 11:04 p.m. CST

    skiprat

    by mongo126

    The writers and everybody associated with the show have said they're writing this final season as a love letter to the fans. Killing off all the characters in the final episode would be more like a big huge anal raping of the fans. Fringe fans love the show for the characters as much as the alternate universes, Observers, Walter Bell, and all the other crazy shit. If they were to kill of the cast as a way of wrapping it up I'm getting the addresses of the writing staff, crapping in a box, and mailing it to them.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 8:47 a.m. CST

    mongo126

    by skiprat1

    Good point. Perhaps though they could do something like that, but with a massive reset at the end, I dunno. I'm dreading it ending.

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Fringe's Origin Story

    by gaston213

    For some odd reason the idea popped into my head at the end of the last episode that there might be some weird connection between Peter and September. I know it's a long shot, but damn it would be cool if we found out that the tech Peter inserted into his head essentially changed him enough (physically AND emotionally) that eventually over time he turns into what we know as September. I seriously doubt that is where the show is headed, but it WOULD explain why September always had such a vested interest in protecting the Bishops. The fact that time travel has been involved since the beginning kind of makes anything possible, but just the thought of that happening made me extremely excited AND sad. I've always been invested in this show, but man, lately the new episodes can't get here fast enough :)

  • Nov. 16, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Donald...

    by King_Ink

    Trump? Maybe Fox enlisted 'The Don' to finish out this show? The Observers worship him because they can't understand his insane ramblings and see the potential in his hairstyle. Imagine a whole legion of dopes wearing dead squirrels on their heads? Maybe we'll get some awesome webcam meltdown where he offers ten bazillion Observabucks if Peter Bishop will show his college application paperwork? Seriously though, I'm psyched about Fringe this season. I've watched the whole show with my family, and we're all excited about this show. I thought that Joshua Jackson was a weak lead when the show started, but he's done a solid job. I'm almost more intrigued to see who's star rises after this show ends. I'd love to see Anna Torv doing something else, but can see her falling in the same lot as Katee Sackoff. I thought Katee was going to have this huge career after BSG, but I only ever saw her on a few episodes of the failed Bionic Woman show. Anyway, happy Friday everyone.