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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!

Khhhhhaaaaannnn! Today’s pic is pretty damn great if I don’t say so myself. From the set of Wrath of Khan we see a crew member making sure poor Walter Koenig’s wires are working well for what I presume is the moment when Khan grabs that weird little handle on the front of his space suit and demonstrates his awesome (obviously pectoral-originated) strength by lifting the little Russian dude up in the air with but one hand.

Many things about this photo make me smile, but the top two things are that one of Khan’s men (far right) seems to be making fun of Koenig and (secondly) Koenig doesn’t seem too happy about the situation he's in. In fact, if I were more driven I would try to make a “Chekov is not impressed” meme.

Thanks again to the good folks at the Practical Effects Group for bringing this one to my attention. Click to enlargen!



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  • Nov. 8, 2012, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Wrath of Kahn is the only time

    by gerry derboven

    that the Star Trek franchise came close to a space opera, JJ Abrams last effort notwithstanding. It's suitably cheesy but ultmately satisfying in the way that only sci fi can pull off. Two words of warning to Hollywood: NO REMAKE! Amen.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Quint, as ever, superb BTS pic!

    by gerry derboven

    i'm longing for a BTS pic from Dragonslayer, or Sword & the Sorcerer or Beastmaster, from the forgotten Age of 80's Mysticism. Make it So! Amen.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 2:39 a.m. CST


    by grassh0pperunit

    Wrath of Kahn was available on Amazon Prime Video for free for a few weeks recently. I must have watched it 3 or 4 times. What a great movie. Quint, you should have gone with Botany Behind the Scenes Pic of the Day!

  • I would applaude AICN if they had the balls to start a campagn for awareness and love for Search for Spock. It's easy to chime about the movies which everybody loves, it's harder, and thus more meritous, to start and push for the love of good movies which are sadly underappreciated, like Search For Spock. What says you, AICN? Are you up for the challenge?

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 3:31 a.m. CST

    @Mr space-jesus

    by albert comin

    I suspect you never saw Star Trek: The Motion Picture then. Space opera doesn't exactly mean what many would think it means if they to it's meaning close to what's called a soap-opera. Basically, space-opera means a space adventure of epic proportions. No ST movie has been more epic then ST:TMP yet.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Dear Mr Scirocco

    by gerry derboven

    Thank you for your comment. I did see The Motion Picture but, for my taste, it left seriously wanting in the pacing area. I don't consider 2001: A Space Odyssey a space opera either but it's not a bad movie because of it. In my opinion, a space opera should at least feature action , preferably centered around a (male) hero/villain. The 'villain' in The Motion Picture is, well, a derelict spacecraft from earth. It's only operatic in it's majesty and photography.(yes, and music and so on, but i hope you can see my point of view too) I hope this goes some way in explaining why I think The Wrath of Kahn is more 'operatic' than TMP. Kind regards S-J

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Wires?!!? You mean Ricardo Montalban wasn't really that strong?

    by Johnny Wishbone

    He tasks me! He tasks me!

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Tomorrow it's 2001

    by Ricardo

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Top Gun II: Wings Of Desire


    a modern day retelling of Pearl Harbour (Cruise in the Ben Affleck role as Maverick, Kilmer in the Josh Hartnett role as Iceman and McGillis in the Kate Beckinsale type role as Charlie)... Mav and Ice are in are still playing the occasional volley match on the beach, teaching the youngsters etc but back on the scene is Charlie looking to rekindle the romance with Maverick. lots of emotional anguish as Mav wrestles with his feelings trying to decide between his buddy Ice and his one true love Charlie - Faltermeyer montages, bit of Berlin as well, Mav riding into the sunset on retro Kawasaki looking at planes deep in thought etc, the works.... then there is a Pearl Harbour 9/11 type attack on the US, Mav and Ice put their shit to one side and are back in the air - dog fights, shit hitting the fan, they kill all the baddies, save the day but then Ice goes rogue and flies to Charlies house to sidewinder it and Mav is torn between his buddy love for Ice (im imagining him over the radio shouting ‘you don’t have to do this…I Love you!’ like in War of the Worlds when hes trying to talk his son out of fighting on the hill) and his love for Charlie. will he take down Ice before he blows Charlie up or does he let him do it, chalk it up as collateral from the attack and love him forever more? this would be the big climax at the end after they save the day

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 4:52 a.m. CST

    holy crap - i meant to post that in the Top Gun thread!


    shit man how could i get it wrong. my apoligies.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 4:54 a.m. CST

    @Mr tangcameo

    by albert comin

    I believe so too. Because otherwise there would be no real in-universe practical function for the handle.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 5:04 a.m. CST

    @Mr space-jesus

    by albert comin

    You're such a gentleman. Thank you for your swift reply. Yeah, the notion of what is a space-opera seems to be one of those cases where different people seems to have a different idea of what it is. I beleive part of the confusion is due to how definition and concepts evolve through time. Remember that this definition is quite an oldie one, and the people who first created it had a different idea of what the word opera aplied to a concept. I think most people today understand the concept of space-opera as stuff like Star Wars. But what they misunderstood is why Sw is called a space opera. And it's not because of the personal melodrama that exists between the characters or because of epic big ass starbases blowing up whole planets and huge space battles. The reason it's a space-opera is because it's a a SF story set in space on a big canvas. Let me see if i can explain better through examples: Consider "Alien". It's a Sf movie set in space but it's not a space-opera because the canvas of the story is quite small. It has a clasutrophobic nature, even if we see characters going to planets. SW is quite the reverse, the story is open and there is planet hopping and there's always a sense that he story happens in huge sandbox universe. The story needs that sandbox nature to be told. And this is what i think defines what is a space-opera. ST:TMP is a space-opera because the movie has that big expansive nature to it, and needs it to tell the story. Wrath Of Khan i see it as otherwise, as the reverse example, the story is quite intimist and never it needs a big expansive universe to tell it's tale. Basically, you could turn WOK into a play and the story would lose none of it's impact. You see what i mean? Anyway, i thank you for this stimulating conversation, regardless if we disagree. You're a cool guy. By the way, are you a TV Tropes regular reader? Your kick reminds me of one of their trope page.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 5:06 a.m. CST

    @Mr johnny wishbone

    by albert comin

    No, no, Montalban was really that strong. The wires were there so to prevent poor Walter Koenig to get thrown to the other side of the room. They were control measures, because Montalban didn't had full control of his own strengh.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 5:13 a.m. CST

    @Mr cartmanez

    by albert comin

    No appologies needed, freind, because i found that post hilarious. Well, i hope it was a parody, because otherwise i just insulted you. Ops!

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 5:18 a.m. CST

    @mr scirocco

    by gerry derboven

    The feeling is mutual, i'm sure. It's always nice to discuss this stuff with like-minded people who also know how to spell and don't resort to childish foul language to make their point. Originally, it was the reason i frequented these pages but the surge in mean spirited flamers has kept me away fo a while. Good to know there are still folk like you who visit these pages. To some height i concur with your point of view and as it is a subjective notion we can both agree to disagree and still enjoy the heck out of these movies. Sadly , I am not a regular on TV tropes so I think you confuse me with someone else. In any case, i look forward to discussing with you again on future subjects. Have a nice day Best regards S-J

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 5:47 a.m. CST


    by LarkStew

    I would have had Walter standing on a balance with a counterweight at the other end, so then Ricardo could have lifted him easily with one hand, for real. I always just assumed that's how it was done...

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 5:56 a.m. CST

    So nice of them to build handles onto the suits...

    by Mikey Wood

    ...I ALWAYS found that to be a jarring design flaw. LOVE me some Khan, though.

  • following on 5 years from the choice Maverick made at the end of part II

  • as TWOK was like the most amazing movie of alll time so he felt like 'well theres no way in hell i can compete with that level of adult SF, i'll have to turn SW into the muppet show to garner the kiddie market'

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 6:16 a.m. CST

    I don't mind the handles but

    by catlettuce4

    the door hinges are a bit strange for 23rd C spacesuit

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 6:21 a.m. CST

    'It was the best of times, it was the worst of times'.

    by Mark Jones

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Star Trek III was heavily influenced by the SW trilogy


    theres a Spielberg/Lucas feel to Star Trek III - it was obviously influenced by those big movies coming out in the early 80s - the cantina scene, alien microbes, opening up the ST universe with ships/spacestations etc, the end fight on Genesis feels like something out of Temple of Doom with all the lava etc...i know it was more of a homage to Kirks TOS fistfights but it had that Indy feel to it too plus the story itself mirrored ESB a little

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Space Opera

    by MustGoFaster

    Of course WOK is space opera of the highest calibre. What does any kind of "opera" entail? Themes of love, hate, betrayal and revenge. WOK has all of those in spades. The Motion Picture has NONE of those things. It's clinical, cerebral - the polar opposite of space opera.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 7:09 a.m. CST

    @Mr space-jesus

    by albert comin

    The pleasure was all mine. Ta ta!

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 7:17 a.m. CST

    @Mr mustgofaster

    by albert comin

    You forgot to mention fat ladies singing in high-pitch voices. As i said before, the concept of space-opera is now divorced from it's inicial meaning. And WOK is an intimist story, regardless if it's set in outer space. You could tell the story of WOT as a theater play and it wouldn't lose none of it's potency. However, you can't tell the story of ST:TMP without the visuals. This is why ST:TMP is a space-opera in the old definition of the meaning, and why so is SW. It means a SF sopace adventure in which is happens on an open canvas. WOK happens in a closed canvas, it's personal, intimist. And that's not at all to mean as derrogatory. It's just different styles in SF storytelling. WOK will not became magically a lesser movie just because it doesn't fill the criteria of space-opera. That's completly beside the point.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 7:30 a.m. CST

    @Mr Scirocco

    by MustGoFaster

    You are defining space opera as "open canvas" and you mentioned SW. Incorrect, my friend. SW has a very expansive universe but the themes are intimate. Father-son conflicts, tragedy, friendships and loyalty, a love could easily turn SW into a theater production. TMP without the visuals is just a bunch of people talking scientific concepts for two hours. Impossible to translate that into theater (or you could but everyone would die of boredom). SW and WOK are space operas, TMP is not.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 7:37 a.m. CST

    The civility in this Talkback is freaking me the fuck out.

    by CatVutt

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 7:46 a.m. CST

    hey catvutt:

    by gerry derboven

    you smelly by-product of a wet, clingy , fat lady fart! I do hope i have made you feel better. If there's anything I can do to make you feel better, please don't hesitate to let me know. Kindest regards Space Jesus

  • At least I remember seeing it about that time someplace.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Oh, and Terminator 2 for tomorrow??

    by ATARI

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Cobra-Kai exists on Ceti Alpha V?

    by obijuanmartinez

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 8:12 a.m. CST

    But seriously - Is that Martin Kove?

    by obijuanmartinez

  • because I didn't pick up on that at all.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 8:26 a.m. CST

    @Mr mustgofaster

    by albert comin

    Hello again, good friend. Well, i think i failed to express the mening of what i said above, for which i'm sorry. I'll try to be more clear this time, for your pleasure. The meaning of an epic story, or which the designation of "operatic" is a replacement designation, is not that big stuff happens and lot of shit blows up. The concept of epic is nothing to do with a movie's budget or if there'sbig stuff happening, but more of ther nature of the tale. To wit: In an epic, there is always a boig happening that takes a character of it's own, to the point of being a character in itself, and this governs the lives of every character that'ds in it and influences them in unexorably ways. Basically, nobody can escape them. WWI and the arab uprise in Lawrence Of Arabia, the october revolution and it's aftermath in Dr Zhivago, the nationalist and anti-western movements in The Sand Pebbles, the Empire and the Alliance Rebellion in SW, and the unstopable force that is V'Ger in ST: The Motion Picture. The entile plot of Wrath Of khan is moved by the character's actions. There are no major outside forces moving their hands. It's all about the characters. The big stuff that happens in the movie is the explosion of the Genesis Device which happens in the climax and creates a new planet from the nebulae material. It also kills the villain which was the story's determinator (the whole plot is put in motion thanks to his actions). WOK would be an epic if the creation of the planet thanks to the Genesis Device has been the motivator for all the action in the story. But the GD never goes beyond a mcguffin in the story, which the villain uses as a weapon of mass destruction and nothing else. So, this is why WOK is an intimist space adventure (it's all about the characters) and why ST:TMP is a space-opera (there's more then just the characters driving the action). Yeah.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Koenig's look

    by Opus_Penguin

    Perhaps his look is due to the story he tells about doing this scene. The harness wrapped through his crotch. He said every time he was lifted he worried about any future children.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    @Mr Sciricco

    by MustGoFaster

    You have a very interesting definition of space opera. If I am following your logic correctly, would you also define 2001 as a space opera? Or is the monolith simply a McGuffin and the film is driven by character actions? I've had fun talking with you, we'll debate again in the other talkbacks. Ciao.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 8:49 a.m. CST

    @Mr mustgofaster

    by albert comin

    2001 would be a space opera then.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Close-up on Kirk's face: KHAAANNNNN....

    by lv_426

    Cut to shot of planet's surface: KHAAAANNNNNNN..... Cut to shot of planet seen from space: KHAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!!

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Nice to see some love being directed towards Search for Spock

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    As the series has aged (and a bunch of crappy sequels were pumped out) it’s become clear that Search for Spock was really impacted by having to follow the greatness that is Wrath of Khan. Search for Spock has some of the best sequences of the entire series – the theft of the Enterprise is great – I love the moment where Kirk makes the decision to throw away his Starfleet career to go get Spock’s body and some of the follow-on dialogue is fun “Gentlemen, your work today has been outstanding and I intend to recommend you all for promotion... in whatever fleet we end up serving.” There’s also the scene where David is killed, and Kirk deals with his grief, and then spins right back into command mode, the later conversation on the bluff of Genesis where he and McCoy are watching the Enterprise burn through the atmosphere is quite poignant. No ST film will ever best Khan, but there’s a good case to be made that Search for Spock is better than both Undiscovered Country and The Voyage Home.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Maybe films like STAR TREK TMP, 2001 ASO, and A L I E N

    by lv_426

    Could be called space procedurals? Although perhaps 2001 is a bit too hard to classify like that. It is just great big epic idea science fiction I guess. ST: TMP and ALIEN, as well as pictures like Outland have some elements in line with space opera, yet are different beasts. I suggest the term procedural because when you look at something like Alien, it is very much about a crew following orders and protocol which leads them into danger. I guess I am thinking along the same lines of how I view the two Battlestar Galacticas. The original series is definitely space opera, while the re-imagined series is more of a cross between military sci-fi and an exodus epic. Sure there are elements of space opera in Ron Moore's version of BSG, but that is not the overriding genre it tells its story through.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Space opera is a slippery term

    by lv_426

    Some people view Star Wars as space opera, while others say it has no sci-fi in it because it treads the line between sci-fi and fantasy/myth. Avatar and A Princess of Mars (fuck the retarded title of John Carter) are planetary romances, which is an older term that really isn't used these days. Planetary romance, as a sub-genre within science fiction has been lumped into that of space opera.

  • And I cried like a fucking bitch when Spock died at the end. Still a tremendously moving scene, and Shatner's BEST acting ever.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Learning something new today...

    by Bill C.

    ...I'd never heard the term "planetary romance" before popping in here, so thank you for using it. (I understand why it's so uncommon, though, since the space opera umbrella is so big.) That said I'm genuinely puzzled by how some folks could/can not see Star Wars as space opera, even in part. I'll grant the fantasy/myth bleedover, since the Force is damn sure that, but still...spaceships, alien races, and a cosmos-spanning civil war? Maybe those folks are in a galaxy far, far away... (It was right there. Sorry.) And as for poor Walter and the harness--well, it's not Quint's "Chekov is not amused" meme, but it just called out for it:

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST

    needs more giant fake ears.

    by chainsaw autotune

    that look like theyre made out of plaster.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Star Trek II: Guys with Moobs

    by cozy

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST

    I didn't know Wyatt Cenac was in that movie. Good for him!

    by basilofbakerstreet

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Space Opera seems a term that's so open that it's almost meaningless

    by AlienFanatic

    Space opera is a subgenre of science fiction that emphasizes romantic, often melodramatic adventure, set mainly or entirely in outer space, generally involving conflict between opponents possessing advanced technologies and abilities. The term has no relation to music and it is analogous to "soap opera". Perhaps the most significant trait of space opera is that settings, characters, battles, powers, and themes tend to be very large-scale

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Ugh. My comments were cut off...badly

    by AlienFanatic

    Basically, by all definitions I could find (Websters and Wikipedia) the only requirements of "Space Opera" are the setting (outer space), the scale (big, epic), and the technology (advanced). So it would seem to me that all of the Trek and Star Wars movies are space opera. You could also say that a crummy movie like Battle Beyond the Stars is space opera. But you wouldn't necessarily use the term for something small, like Moon.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Space Handles ?

    by Sluggolicious

    I always just assumed the handles were built into the suits so they could be hung on specially designed racks when in storage. At least, that's what my (then) 12-year-old brain concluded after the 90th time I watched WOK on VHS.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    @Mr alienfanatic

    by albert comin


  • Nov. 8, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST

    @Mr redshirt_24

    by albert comin

    I find the term "planetary romance" quite enchanting. It might not roll on the tongue as well as it used to in the past, but i find it quite, well, romantic. Maybe we should use that term for SF stories that have an old fashion flavour to them. Certainly it's impossible to call anything else to those old Barsoon novels.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Whhhhyyyyy...are you here?

    by MrWug

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Don LaFontaine could make it work, scirocco.

    by Bill C.

    A planetary romance...coming this Christmas!

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    I didn't know Don LaFontaine died. Sad.

    by albert comin

  • Doesn't deserve discussion, except to wonder why Nimoy agreed to shoot David's death scene as written, or how it makes sense to beam down to an exploding planet and take your chances there instead of to a spaceship with one guy on it.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    @Mr trevanian

    by albert comin

    I can count the ways you are wrong about The Search For Spock, but my voice would dry up and i would need medical attention. Why that movie is disliked? Because it had been fashionable to think so for so long people forgot it has nothing to do with the movie itself. It became an article of faith. It's one of those beliefs stuff that acosts the geekdom which gains a life on it's own and has nothing to do with reality. Like faith.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST

    On a world, where romance is everything

    by lv_426

    Two blue catpeople have sex with fiber optic hair.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Seriously though, I also like the term planetary romance

    by lv_426

    The basic criteria for a planetary romance is the action is focused on one or only a few worlds, and less focus on space travel or traveling from planet to planet. That is why Avatar, which really focuses on Pandora, feels more like a planetary romance to me than the spaceship hopping interstellar antics of space opera.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Wow, just realized after reading Talk Back . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . I STILL have never seen the first Trek flick. Not a second of it. There's a bald chick in it, correct?

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    @Mr lv_426

    by albert comin

    Avatar is a text book perfect example of a planetary romance story. Very good choice, sir.

  • And Persis Khambatta as the hottest bald woman EVER is only part of it; it's not a bad movie, though it plays out much more like a long-form TOS episode than anything else. Come for the reaction shots, stay for the pajamas and Kirk being a dick to Stephen Collins, and make sure you're not eating anything when the "wormhole" appears.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST


    by PoppaRotzi


  • Nov. 8, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST

    TSFS is horribly directed? hahahaha, oh my.

    by frank

    I am sure you would have done a better job directing one of the best sequences in the whole franchise: stealing the enterprise, uhuh? or destroying the enterprise. horribly directed my ass.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Scirocco, well said man. preach it.

    by frank

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST


    by UltraTron

  • Plus Trek had an alien bar and space stations in the original series.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    scirocco, once more, this time with reason and feeling

    by trevanian

    My dislike for SFS wasn't formed over a passage of time, looking back at it; it was from seeing that thing opening day and being pissed off beyond belief by the idiotic arbitrary plotting, the wholesale ripoff/reworking of stuff that had been done well the first time in KHAN, and that terrible Kirk-falls-on-his-ass scene, which, however well-intended, misses the target. Playing David's death as a radio call, when in the past we've seen that you can get a view of damned near anything from the ship's bridge, is a dramatic miss ... Shatner's reaction, if it were to SEEING the kid's death, would have been acceptable ... to hear it via a bad line reading (not Curtis' fault, she didn't write that shit) weighs against that response enormously. The film has good things, almost all in the first half; Kirk's low-key meet with Morrow, Bones in the bar, most of the highjacking of the ship. But then the BoP/Ent shootout is a replay of KHAN's sneak attack, but with the E firing first. Kirk's telling Kruge that he would have to be brought up to the ship to get Genesis is practically a recital of what Kirk told Khan about Genesis (you're gonna have to come down here to get it.) Directorially, I think Nimoy shows his amateurishness in the Sarek mindmeld, but again, I think it is the dramatic failings later that are more pointedly an indication of things being very wrong behind the camera. Shit, in Shatner's movie, which didn't have the benefit of ILM or a camera crew that could load film without scratching it, there's a wealth of visuals, imaginatively handled, and camera compositions aren't just well-composed, they are often in motion, recombining characters in the same frame in different positions. By comparison, Nimoy's work is pointNshoot. You can respond as you wish (you seem to be doing it with every post here), but nothing you say changes any of these faults.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST

    one more thing ...

    by trevanian

    compare these similar scenes in KHAN and SFS and WATCH them for how they're handled. in TWOK, the sneak attack is filled with interesting camera angles and many insert shots, with the music being as exciting as the visuals. in SFS, the camera is mostly just sitting there, and it is RELYING on the music to inject the excitement. SFS is a cripple of a movie.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Ultratron - Like your perspective

    by Shankapotomus

    I think you're right, it's one story arc covering three films.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    gmakin - ILM worked on Doom and Spock at the same time...


    so visually speaking you know it mightve been

  • Kirstie Alley had come back as Savvik. wouldve made it feel like a true continuation of II and the death scene wouldve been even more powerful (as would the scene of Savvik and Kirk on genesis, and that glance between Spock and Savvik at the end) i hate it when they recast like that - same for TDK and Hannibal. they should just say to the actress you coming back and THATS IT! plus Savvik shouldve come back for VI and been the TRAITOR (as was Meyers original intention). obviously they wouldve had to get the Trek III Savvik for that

  • Tom Sellecks Blade Runner - coming a year after his Raiders (High Road to China)

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Handles have precedent!

    by Darth Macchio

    Seriously. Take a look at some internal pics of our own human astronauts and their environments. Freakin handles EVERYWHERE. One simple example: an unconscious man on a low-gravity planet being carried by his crew mates. A handle provides a ready made method for ensuring a firm grasp. Especially so when you consider you would be wearing gloves that limit dexterity down to minimal grasp-ability in many cases. Another: same situation but in tandem do you hang on to one another? By hand? Hand to wrist or ankle? With those same clumsy gloves? Another simple example: an immediate point of anchoring if the need to tie/clamp yourself down arose. Handles are ubiquitous in a low gravity or pure free-fall environment. there is no up or down, not even a left or a right outside of what is relative to your own body. That doesn't even begin to discuss how to deal with a body's inertia and momentum leading to potential limited ability to control one's direction and speed. Having that handle on the front of a suit might allow an astronaut to save his or her friend's life where nothing else would due. Plus, it could just be a handle for carrying the suit when you're not wearing it (provided there's a need for portability of course and thinking the outer 'shell' had compartments for storing the legs and arms of the suit, etc).

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Chekov Gets To Be Number One

    by puto tenax

    And is treated like number two throughout the rest of the movies. Heck they gave Sulu a ship. Doesn't Starfleet have any more to hand out? I guess you get an eel in your ear you kinda lose the drive.

  • it was sulu who didnt anything to do until VI. (he had his scenes in IV cut short as the kid he was playing against who was supposed to be his grandfather wouldnt stop crying) plus then Konig gets a role in VII too....and dont forget he shouldnt really have gotten the II role anyway as Chekov didnt appear until season 2! (Takei mustve been furious!)... still least Bill Shatner gave them that scene where they got lost in the woods eh?

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Star Trek Trilogy

    by Munro Kelly

    I think that 2,3 and 4 make a great trilogy. I just wished that Kirtsie Alley came back for 3 and 4 and James Horner did the score for The Voyage Home.

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST

    So many Trek comments I could commit here...

    by Glenn

    All I'll say is, the ending of VI was whack. Pure Velveeta. So hamhanded. Meyer somehow lost it. Bad makeup, bad lighting, Sherlock Holmes wedged into the script (per Meyer's obsessions), crummy SFPX, and some great lines of dialogue (esp the Nixon line). III has some great moments that many above are arguing about. Downplaying Merrit Buttrick's death was a plus (not showing it was much less melodramatic, having Kirk miss his chair showed it much more emotionally). Nimoy's a rather dull visualist however and doesn't always seem to attend to the details of production design. IV has the worst choice for music composer of the entire series, not at the level of Goldsmith and Horner or even Eidelmann. II is the great one. That said, it may have the series' worst cinematography; looks like it was shot by a TV guy. I've seen better lighting on Rockford Files (not really but sarcasm makes my point). Also, Quint's comments about what those in the BTS picture are contemplating, makes me think he couldn't accurately read an actor's performance if he were directing; some people either like to imbue meaning unnecessarily or just don't have an emotional/intuitive IQ. TMP is stodgy, has wonky costume design, is paced badly in any version, has terrible new main titles in the Director's Cut (really, Bob Wise? You had to make them yellow then add quick fade-ups combined with blurring-into-focus, just to jazz up the opening? The original white-on-black, cut-in and cut-out main titles were so much more epic). V had some cool shot design -- along with all of Shatner's wrong-headed earthly obsessions (camping, singing, God complexes), but then also contained a great line: "I NEED my pain!!"

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 2:33 a.m. CST

    rumourd on Star Trek 2

    by Munro Kelly

    Star Trek 2 was produced by Paramount's TV division and came in around $12 million. After TMP under delivered at the box office, after costing a whopping $43 million in 79, they wanted to reel the price in. Harve Bennet's entire career was in television and he knew how to shoot a project quickly. He hired a TV DP, Gayne Rescher, ASC, who could light fast and make sure they kept a tight schedule. To keep cost down, the film reused sets, props and some vfx shots from the first film.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Trek III Savvik Horrible

    by Shankapotomus

    She looked annorexic, like Carol Carpenter during Lent.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 7:03 a.m. CST

    @Mr munro kelly

    by albert comin

    ST:TMP's real productionbudget was about 25 millin dollar. The difference is mae fromall the production costs that Paramount spent on a faled to realise new ST seriers and various ST movie projects, some of them almost got to the shooting phase with set built but were cancelled at the last minute. Paamount decided to cut loses by doin some accounting gymnastics and put the exenses on those failed projects to ST:TMP's . Thus giving the illusion the movie costed more then it actually did. Contrary to popular belief, ST:TMP s not the most expensive ST movie ever made, that honour belongs to JJ Abrams' movie, and the difference in budgets, counting for inflaction, is quite big, with Abrams movie being about 30% more expensive then Wise's. And contrary to popular belief, ST:TMP was actually very profitable. It didn't mad th SW mony that Paramount wished, but that's them who hav to blame for such unrealistic expectations. Otherwise, the movie did very wel, and the only reason it's not considered the most economically sucesseful is because the future ST movies were quite low budget films, specially WOK. There are a lot of myths going on about ST:TMP, and they are all untrue. ST:TMP was a real sucess, so much it convinced Paramount that there was commercial viability in ST to not only make more movies but also a new ST series, which ended up as ST:TNG. What's sad is that the geeks are still buying this kind of bullshit when they should know better. WOK does not get to be a better movie by putting down both ST:TMP or TSFS, quite the contrary in fact, and those who do that come across as mindless militants who follow a party line out of blind faith instead of reasoning.

  • Nothing against the actress they chosed instead, but i would had so much prefered Allen as Saavik. I think she nailed the role brillantly in WOK, and also, by gods, she was one gorgeaus women to look at back then! Her elvish looks were perfect for a hot vulcan babe. Also, as everybody knows, Allen is a very good comedian with a gift for the deadpan, which would had worked wonders for her character in STIII:TSFS. Alas!

  • all the stuff on Grissom, then with young Spock, the chemistry with David, telling Kirk his son is dead. man it wouldve worked so much better. plus like the Savvik in III shed have had her hair all long/permed like in Runaway the same year

  • K Alley as Savvik turning traitor in VI how cool would thatve been - outta nowhere BAM! its Savvik! (plus wouldve made a truck load of sense since Savvik wouldve watched Klingons kill the man she loved - Kirks son) imagine sitting there in the cinema xmas 91 watching Kirk and Spock interacting with Savvik knowing Meyer is calling the shots like its 82 all over again! wrath of khan overload!! BOOM!

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 8:37 a.m. CST

    @Mr cartmanez

    by albert comin

    Personally, i prefer her with straigh long hair like she had in STII:WOK. Certainly i was not the only male here who, when Saavik shows up in the elevator scene with Kirk, she with her hair down, i must had not been the only one to have made a small gasp in reaction at how hot she looked. Hell, even old dog Kirk had to coment on it and certainly his reaction is a mirror to the audience's. But really, Alley was quite gorgeaus in STII and it was always one thing that nagged me about STIII that she didn't returned. Beside her great looks, naturally, i think she nailed the character of Saavik perfectly. I think i read somehwere that Saavik was supposed to be half-vulcan/half-romulan. If so, then i think the other actress (Curtis was her name?) played the character too aloof, while Alley had that perfect mixture of vulcan restrain with emotions boiling just under her skin (her roluman side, perhaps?). One of those "what could had happened" stuff that i can't help lament it didn't come to pass.

  • i now know everything. but i still think Alley shouldve come back for III/IV and then VI bah

  • :( Damn shame too.... Valeris although good, didnt realy fit.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    TMP made money or why else would a sequel happen?

    by Dan

    They just spent too much and wanted some control. They outsed Roddenbarry who had made an ass of himself and caused all kinds of problems.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 9:35 a.m. CST

    in a nutshell


    thats a lengthly article so i'll summerise: basically meyer wanted Kim catrell as Savvik in II but she was unavailable so Alley got the part..... then for III her agent demanded too much $ (more than De Kelly apparently) so R Curtis was cast.....then for VI Meyer wanted Alley back as Savvik as he didnt dig Curtis in the role (so itd have been like Arnie coming back to Conan after Momoa) but she was too expensive due to Cheers, Look Whos Talking etc so Catrell got the new role of Valeruis.....then there was the TNG episode Cause and Effect where the producers wanted Alley as Savvik to stand alongside Kesley Grammer at the end but again the $ werent enough i guess ideally the smokin Catrell couldve been Savvik throughout II, III, IV and VI. but then Alley shouldve really come back for III, IV and then VI but since things happened the way they did and Alley didnt return, maybe they shouldve just cast R Curtis as Savvik in VI instead of creating a new character (wouldve been cool had Alley done it - tying in with TWOK and all but seems abit harsh not wanting Curtis there since she had taken over and since VI was bookending the Genesis 'trilogy' - anyway wouldnt audiences have been abit like 'eh WTF? Alleys back as Savvik?')

  • Plus Deforest Kelley was truly great in it. And as Bones was always my favourite, it was great to see him get some of the limelight. It was also pretty much the last time the original cast was actually asked and expected to act, rather than be walking caricatures of themselves, until their swansong with Undiscovered Country.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    I do agree about the Kirstie Alley Saavik thing though.

    by Stegman84

    I don't hate Robin Curtis anywhere near as much as everyone else seems to, but Alley was clearly a better and much more enigmatic Saavik.

  • It's so good to know. Now all i need now is that the people here would also share my love for ST:TMP. Because it's the right thing to do. That would be so awesome.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST

    munro kelly, "II"

    by Glenn

    I actually am fairly intimate with the production details of Khan, all the whys of why everything was done (read: cheaply), so I'm not debating anything you said... ...but having to do things cheaply doesn't concern me or any other viewer, and as a filmmaker myself, I have very little sympathy using it as an excuse for what ends up on screen. It's a tremendous film; I only mourn how much greater it could've been with more attention given to the lighting, is all -- below-the-line demands be damned. I actually think ILM did a tremendous job; I didn't mind recycled sets; I'm glad they kept alien makeups largely out of the film; they just needed someone with a better eye for darkness and contrast who didn't feel the need to use old-style toplight flood lighting for easier focus-pulling...

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    2001: A Space Odyssey's utter lack of realism

    by ObiBen

    No way in hell that in space you can hear the Blue Danube playing...

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Mr rumourd made a very good point.

    by albert comin

    Of all the good things that WOK has going for it, cinematography is not one of them. It is very TV like, which means it's all about over-expose light and with n o nuance in shading and shadows. Say what you will about ST:TMP and STIII, but those movies' cinematography look like movies. I'm glad somebody had the balls to point this out before me. STII has been so hyperbolized here that it takes some conviction and nballs to dare pointing out some of it's less sucessful elements. And flaws STII certainly has them. They are minor and don't distract from how good the movie is, but to claim this movie is as perfectly good as many here claim is absurd. In fact, i dare say STII is one of those movies that manages to be better then the sum of it's parts. That in itself is something few movies can boast about. No need to engodly the movie to appreciate it. Still, Kristie Alley as Saavik is for the win! Hum hum!

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST

    You can ear the blue danube in space, if you have phones.

    by albert comin

    it's not what you can't do, but how you can't do.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST

    ear = hear

    by albert comin

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Nonsense! I never watched 2001 with phones

    by ObiBen

    and I could still hear Strauss as if André Rieux was playing at the Hilton's balcony. I don't know where that Kubrick guy got his science...

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST

    And YES that is Ricardo's real chest...

    by Dan

    VH1 spreads lies.

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Trek III is the same as Quantum Of Solace

    by Dan

    Picking up immedietly after the previous films events.... LOVE that flick.... The film overpowers and surprises you with emotion. It's a dissection of Kirk and what he withstands to help out a friend. Shatner was at his very best here, an open wound taking every hit he can stand.... Kirk loses his son. Sure people joke, but when Kirk loses his son, you feel so bad for him and it's perfectly acted.... "You Klingon bastards! son!" Loses his ship..... "My God, Bones. What have I done?" His career. "At what cost. Your son, your ship." "If i hadn't tried it would have been my soul."

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST

    I've always wondered what happened to Saavik...

    by Dan

    Since her and Spock did the Pon'farr its easy to assume they might have had kids.... I know thre are some books that detail her marriage to Spock....too bad Abrams didn't use that...

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 6:08 p.m. CST

    I love how III begins...It is a great film.

    by txtone04

    Any true ST fan dreams of taking a ship far into the galaxy. It starts on the ground, to the sky and then into, folks. The evolution of travel and with Horner's amazing composition behind it, it becomes an opera. Kirk actually acts well in this film. You see the reactions of the actors not just fast cuts. Great visuals. Great story. Great effects. The self-destruct scene was greatness in the effects of the day. Bravo! Yeah, i was slightly disappointed in Curtis' role, but better than no film attal. She was too Vulcan, maybe? Dont get me wrong, II was awesome. Some great dark moments there, IV was made for the masses but good. VI was good. TNG's were good, except for Riker's line about shoving stuff down throats...where the HELL did that come from??? No creative input from the actors on that! I dig the perspective of the JJ Abrams stuff...the ships finally have a feel of being huge there. Less flares! PLEASE! O yeah, TMP was long but started what we are waiting for next year. right??

  • Nov. 9, 2012, 6:18 p.m. CST

    @zodlovesmaude, @scirocco, @stegman84, @cavejohnson

    by txtone04

    Would love to get together for a SFS watch party! I will watch tonight, methinks!

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 3:01 a.m. CST

    txtone04 - i dont get invited?


    i get left out? i turn up at the Trek III party with the others but get told to leave -'you're not invited' wow

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 5:24 a.m. CST

    tsk tsk

    by albert comin

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 5:26 a.m. CST

    @Mr txtone04

    by albert comin

    I'd accept that invitation gladly. It has always been my wish to watch Search For Spock in the company of those who enjoy it other then my long time friends from childhood. I think we would all had a blast. And please, cartmanez had to be there too.

  • I have a very good idea of how large and magestic the Enterprise is in ST:TMP because the movie allows me to actually see the whole thing. I even have moments hwere a human is shown standing nearby so i can have a very good idea. In the Abrams movie, it's all very fast camera pans and super-fast editing, there is no chance ever of getting a comparison shot. And then there's the fact the ship has such an unbalanced design that all notion of proportions are askewed. Abrams in the comentary claims that the ship is 50% larger then previous incarnations, but i have absolutly no way to know that thanks to how it was presented onscreen. Also, in the Abrams moviethe ship is completly CGI, they never made a model, and it shows. Possibly why i find it the least charismatic Enterpise ever made for the ST universes, because it never feels it's really there.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 6:49 a.m. CST

    cartmanezs attempt to attend the Trek III party...


    we're all in a bar getting turns to the STIII party after bar of the guys calls ahead to ask if we can go - gets the names of who can attend but specifically states cartmanez isnt welcome.....the others say go along anyway it'll be goes with others ...walking along etc...finally goes in the Trek III party house unnoticed - no problems...picks up a drink from a table and starts drinking with the rest...until someone sees him and gets told 'you're not invited'....and after several intense discussions is finally ejected from the house and stands outside as others watch from the house cartmanez - "Aww, you motherfuckers. Okay. Alright. its like that huh. You think you can do this shit.... You think you can do this to ME?! You motherfuckers will be posting on when I get finished with you!! I'm the man up in this piece. You'll never see the light of... who the fuck do you think you're fuckin with!?, I run shit around here! you just live here!!..oh yeah, that's right, you better walk away!Go on back in and walk away... 'cause I'm gonna' burn this motherfucker down! King Kruge ain't got shit on me! That's right, that's right…." *breathes heavily...lowers tone* "Shit...I don't...Fuck. im winnin'...I'm winnin'... I'm winnin' any motherfuckin' way I can't lose."

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 9:30 a.m. CST

    @Mr cartmanez, you are coming with me.

    by albert comin

    Either we both go or none goes.

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    scirocco - cool man


    if i get turned away (which i know would happen) we both head to the Star Trek V party up the road where all the cool kids hang.....

  • Nov. 10, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    @Mr cartmanez

    by albert comin


  • key words of the evening = 'Fuck those guys!'...'fuckin assholes!'....'What a day. What a motherfuckin' day. '

  • That's why you had various people on the show and in the know giving figures ranging from 1800 ft long to 4000 ft (with 2800 being the one that seems to be most likely, based on stuff I read in the year that calamity came out.) Part of the deal was resizing the ship based on the hangar bay set, that retarded thing that looked like a whole bunch of swing-set metal placed just right to interfere with shuttlecraft coming and going.

  • Nov. 11, 2012, 3:43 a.m. CST

    @Mr trevanian

    by albert comin

    Figures! One doesn't need to be a genious to notice that movie looks like it was being designed as it was being filmed. Everything about it reeks of last minute changes and last minute spur off the moment decisions (specially the script). Maybe that's the reason it was so expensive to make. When i first learned the movie had a production budget of 160 million dollars, i was suprised. My thoughs were "all that much for this?". The movie looks half that much, even less. There's many scenes that look incredibly cheap. The engine room, which is a beer vault room, the base where Scotty had been banished to looks like the interior of a mall warehouse, the starfleet earth space port looks like a refinery, the list goes on. I can't believe the movie's price tag, unless they were throwing money at problems which hadn't been adresses in pre-production. Makes sense that way. And i really disliked the new look of the Enterprise. It looks like chimera of different designs put in a blender. Nothing adds up, there's no style continuity from the disk to the nacelles. Believe it or not, the much maligned Star Trek: The Motion Picture had a lower budget then the Abrams movie, even counting inflaction. It also had a troubled production. But they did made sets that matched each other up, they actually build an engine room set that truly looked futuristic and belonged to the interior of that Enterprise. So, what the hell, Abrams?

  • Nov. 13, 2012, 5:55 p.m. CST

    TMP budget

    by trevanian

    It had four year of development and false starts charged to it, so I'd guess the real figure for TMP is in the 30 mil range, not really 44 mil. The movie was announced at 15mil, so going double budget IS pretty bad, but considering how screwed up the vfx situation was ... 30 mil was a bargain in the end. I think there were design messups galore on TMP, but there were at least concepts that made sense some of the time (not the 'light comes from the floor' part though!) That's as opposed to Abrams' production designer, who told me he put reflective surfaces in because they'd never been seen in space movies before ??????? Guess he'd never seen 2001 or 2010 or TMP or any number of other movies that had reflecting surfaces but did not ABUSE the idea. That Abrams bridge is one place I sure wouldn't want to work. You'd need sunglasses just to be able to read a display, it is glare-y as hell, even apart from the fucking moronic over/misuse of lens flares.