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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!
I promised a Star Wars BTS pic and don’t ever say I don’t deliver on my promises! Here’s a great moment captured from the set of the very first Star Wars film as Mark Hamill in his civvies chats up Peter Cushing and David Prowse in their Empire attire.
If you’ll allow me to show my geek a little bit, the set in the background leads me to believe Cushing and Prowse were shooting the big “I find your lack of faith disturbing” sequence when young Luke came by to pay a visit.
Anyway, here’s the pic. Enjoy!
If you have a behind the scenes shot you’d like to submit to this column, you can email me at quint@aintitcool.com.
Tomorrow’s pic features a true American in the flesh.
-Eric Vespe
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I love this column, and this picture is fantastic.
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Just when this jaded old Star Wars geek thinks he's seen every BTS pic there was for the OT, I'm eventually proven wrong, and I'm grateful for that. Keep 'em coming!
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There's no clear link between the other episodes otherwise apart from the droids surly? Good pic by then way ;)
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And would you believe it, oh my brothers and only friends, there was your humble narrator being held helpless like a babe in arms by David Prowse in his pre speedo red trunks
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Nov. 4, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST
The ability to wear a goofy golfer's hat is insignificant next to the power of The Force.
by Buck_Futt
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i dont care about Solo and Leia, but Luke needs to be in the movie. I don't care how, as a cameo, as a flashback or the central point of the plot,whatever but bring him in. The audience will go berserk when they see him on the screen as an old Jedi master ala Ben Kenobi.
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He was wearing that stupid fucking hat and God reached down and flicked his car off the road on general principle.
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But talk like the Joker.
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--and you know it!
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Nov. 4, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST
so, am I the only one who thinks there's just about literally no way in hell that Harrison Ford returns for this, in even a tiny cameo?
by TheSeeker7
I don't care if they were throwing $100M at him to show up for barely 5 minutes of screen time. I really don't think there's ANYTHING that would bring him back to actually portray Han Solo on screen. and, he's been fairly clear in the past that he had little to no interest in doing so (with it being the polar opposite as far as Indy).
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Nov. 4, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST
After the prequel debacles and meddling with the original trilogy, only Adywan's awesome Star Wars Revisited project brought the old magic back for me...
by Cervantes
...and his upcoming Empire Strikes Back is looking equally impressive. Like chewie, he deserves a medal for his efforts. However, no matter what Nu-Wars looks like, I'd sure get a kick out of seeing a be-whiskered, grizzled Mark Hamill onscreen as a Jedi master once again.
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Nov. 4, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST
Corvette Summer, Danny Bonaduce's greatest screen appearance . . .
by elmo
Of course, that's not saying a lot
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Nov. 4, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST
Ford did fucking Cowboys & Aliens, of course he'll sign on for more Solo.
by loafroaster
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Don't underestimate the power of the Disney...
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1. Shitload of cash. 2. 5 to 10 mins screen time maximum. 3. Han Solo death scene. According to IMDB, Ford only has one project on the horizon, a Rob Reiner drama called you Belong To Me. He'd be an absolute fool to say no. If not, get Dennis Quaid and gray him up a bit. Not Han Solo, but an incredible simulation. Great pic. I wonder if Cushing is wearing his bedroom slippers in this, as he was want to do when shooting on the set. Everytime I watch SW now, I imagine Tarkin wearing fuzzy pink bunny slippers just out of shot.
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Nov. 4, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST
Not sure anyone could pull of Solo other than Ford, and I doubt he's going to be in it.
by notcher
Excited none the less, BRING IT!!!
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Nov. 4, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST
Get a director that Ford would like to work with or has already worked with and likes and he'll do it
by Bobo_Vision
He's intuitive about the projects he picks, and it often has more to do with certain people involved rather than the actual script. In the interview Ford did for Jon Favreau, he said when he read Bob Orci and Kurtzmann's script, he threw it across the room because it was complete crap, but he had wanted to work with Favreau so he did it anyway.
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Nov. 4, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST
Getting excited again for SW? I didn't knew people got excited about impending deaths.
by albert comin
Talk about fun at the funeral
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i love those hammer frankensteins with him as dr f.
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A hairy Vader, a nice guy faced vlllain and a hero who looks like an hick. What's not to love?
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I mean have you seen what he looks like? Google "Mark Hamill 2012" and then tell me that would work on screen. It's possible he could do a small cameo where they digitally stitch his head onto another actor's body (and use a fuckton of de-jowling makeup while they're at it), but seeing that sadsack in the flesh wheezing and hobbling around in XXXL-size Jedi robes? Not a chance.
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he'd be up for anything at this point. Anybody who thinks that the choosiness of his prime applies now just doesn't fucking know Hollywood and the sheer disdain they tend to have for old folks in blockbusters, with extremely few exceptions. His salad days are long past. He'll take what he can gets and if they're firing up a new set of Star Wars, he'll be there in whatever capacity they want him, don't you worry.
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Nov. 4, 2012, 4 p.m. CST
I hate Star Wars, and hate its fans even more. I've never seen a series of films (the prequels) be so universally despised yet gross so much fucking money....
by YourMomsBox3D
You guys are all full of shit. The lack of Luke, Han and (for the most part) Darth Vader didn't stop you from seeing those piles of shit over and over again. How many times did the average Star Wars fan see the Phantom Menace IN THEATERS? I know a guy who saw it seven fucking times, yet would come back each time picking apart how horrendous the thing was. Let it go already, asshats.
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Nov. 4, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST
tailhook, why couldn't you have said the same thing but without the cruelty?
by Bobo_Vision
What is it inside of you that needs to feel bigger than others? What? Are you lonely? Small penis? Morbid obesity? Whyyyyyyyyy?
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And obviously that's saying a lot as God, that woman always looks amazing.
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I saw Phantom Menace seven times in the theater trying to like it and couldn't get over the flaws. I didn't mind Jar Jar or Anakin but found most of the film bland, frustrating, and never reaching the heights it should have. I watched Attack of the Clones twice and Revenge of the Sith three times. I don't hate George Lucas, I continue to admire the man as a great storyteller, director, and innovator. But as with any storyteller or director, we face a diversity of ways to tell a story and I don't agree with how it was written for the prequels. That said, my inner child is back to what it was like in 1998... all excited for upcoming Star Wars films and desperate to see what will happen next. Crossing my fingers with childlike anticipation.
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Nov. 4, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST
Yeah, Fords REAL picky about all the bullshit movies he's done for the last 10+ years
by nephilim138
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Nov. 4, 2012, 6:02 p.m. CST
Cushing owned everyone in 'A New Hope' ... Effortless and brilliant.
by GINGE_MUPPET
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Nov. 4, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST
I don't want to see an old Han Solo...that would just be sad.
by blackmantis
Luke as an old, wise Jedi would be very cool, and I could see his character maturing in interesting ways. But not Han.
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Nov. 4, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST
In the next saga to explain Carrie Fisher's appearance, they can say Jabba the Hutt inserted his DNA in her and now she's morphing into one of his people
by Bobo_Vision
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https://www.google.ca/search?q=carrie+fisher+jabba&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari#biv=i|3;d|TYoRyY_YBRbXjM:
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Because Lucas will have VERY limited input as he did with Empire. It is very well documented that Lucas was not pleased with Irvin Kirschner's direction with Empire, thus causing him to hire Richard Marquand. Marquand is to Lucas what Tobe Hooper was to Spielberg. I'm serious - look it up. The best line in Empire was completely ad libbed at the behest of Ford and it defined Solo in a way that only "Han shooting first" could. SinceLucas wasn't around during most of the filming, he grudgingly allowed that line in the film.
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And I know some are chirping about weight and appearance, but honestly, they look fine. And they will look great when it comes time for filming. I'm really not worried about it at all.
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Nov. 4, 2012, 7:10 p.m. CST
HA! I did actually see THE PHANTOM MENACE seven times in the theater.
by one9deuce
I knew it was a magnificent failure after the first time, but I enjoyed seeing STAR WARS on the big screen. My cousin and I saw it 4 or 5 times together and I realized we were making fun of it after a few viewings. That realization still makes me sad. I think TPM has the makings of a great movie. It's like a premium filet mignon that someone cooked well-done and served with ketchup. If only be had changed just a couple of things at the script level.... I think Lucas just gave up after the backlash. Then took all of the lame fan ideas and made two television movies to finish out the Prequel Trilogy. I saw ATTACK OF THE CLONES twice in the theater, which was one too many times. Then I saw REVENGE OF THE SITH once in the theater, which was one too many times.
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Nov. 4, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST
sean1701 yeah, that's well documented... in an opposite universe.
by vetepalapinga
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Yeah, aesthetics to the film looked great but I wish they'd taken more time in the scripting phase to flesh out characterization. I often say of Phantom Menace that it is a special effects movie with cardboard cutout characters. The actors in it are great actors but there was so little to work with on that level especially compared to A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.
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How so? Please explain.
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You have no idea what you're talking about. Lucas had complete control over EMPIRE; he had to because he had a lot of money invested in that film and if it failed, he would have been RUINED FOR LIFE! As for Lucas not wanting Kirsh to direct ROTJ; that's complete and utter bullshit! Lucas asked him to direct JEDI and HE (Irvin Kirshner) turned it down! Do your fucking research before you type shit on the internet, fuck head!
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Look into your heart you know it is true
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Nov. 4, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST
Cushing looks like he's saying, "David, would you look at that! Young Mark and I have the same teeth!"
by CountryBoy
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Lucas asked the Kersh to direct ROTJ and said no because he was exhausted, and regretted it later. Why would Lycas ask him to come back if he wasn't happy with his work? I know this because I read a Kershner interview in a Cinescape Star Wars issue that was published around the same time the special editions came out. That's documented information straight from the horse's mouth.
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Nov. 4, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST
The worst villain Mark Hamill evr encountered was that shady ass shop teacher from Corvette Summer
by theycallmemrtibbs
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Nov. 4, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST
And Hamill's like "Yuk it up old man, I just got the best idea for a musical -- I call it NEWSIES."
by CountryBoy
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Nov. 4, 2012, 7:47 p.m. CST
Majorfrontbum said it way better than I did...and faster.
by vetepalapinga
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Nov. 4, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST
Great pic! Now, remove 2 of the actors, the background set and you've got a BTS pic of a SW prequel.
by Mark Jones
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Nov. 4, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST
Wow, going 7 times to the theaters to watch Phantom Menace. Even not liking it, but just going again because it was Star Wars. What is this? I don't even...
by hank henshaw
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Maybe Spock will go back in time and reset the Star Wars Universe, too. www.nonipplesonthesuit.com
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Nov. 4, 2012, 8:13 p.m. CST
Thats really cool, since they didn't have scenes together.
by Cotton_Mcknight
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I simply do not believe you when you say "I saw Revenge of the Sith once in the theater, which was one too many times". On the whole, that was a good movie and anyone who has a bias against it is just spewing "too cool for school" bullshit. The "noooooo" notwithstanding, of course. I actually cringed at that, as most of us did.
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Nov. 4, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST
one9deuce. Couldn't agree more. Perfect steak dinner on me.
by adeceasedfan
No ketchup.
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Nov. 4, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST
I would love to see "Luke Skywalker" in more Star Wars, but has Mark Hamill ever been anything but hacky and cringeworthy in anything he's ever been in?
by JediRob
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It's "The Force will be with you . . . always." Yeah, I fucking nitpicked and I'd do it again!!!
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Troll much?
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Nov. 4, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST
Carrie Fischer was on the Comedy Central Roast of Rosanne recently. She looks just fine, tools.
by 3774
And that is a lot of British nose going on in that pic.
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Read Tom Carson's piece at The American Prospect. Even people who hate Star Wars can't avoid gawking at the unique spectacle of George Lucas achieving total control of the filmmaking process and using it the way he wanted. The biggest problem with the Disney movies may be that they won't be as weird. Wouldn't it be ironic if someone who saw Episode I seven times to try to figure it out wouldn't feel the need to see, let's assume, a perfectly competent and non-objectionable Episode VIII nearly as many times? Disney Star Wars will probably lack the WTF factor that we love to hate. And you we LOVE to hate it because nobody talks this long about something they don't care about it.
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Empire was over budget partly due to the limitations in effects technology of the day, but that was not attributed to Kershner. Lucas did have disputes with Gary Kurtz over the ballooning production budget however. The only documented thing Lucas was not pleased with about Kershner's directing was the dialogue exchange with Ford after Fisher says "I love you" and he replies "I know." The main reason Kershner did not return (other than Empire being a long, stressfull and tiring shoot) was that Lucas was in a dispute with the Directors' Guild and Writers' Guild at the time. They had issues with the lack of opening credits at the head of both SW films. The guilds levied a fine on Lucasfilm and as a result, Lucas cancelled his memberships to both associations. This meant Lucas was unable to hire any director who was a member of the guild moving forward. That is why English director, Richard Marquand, was hired and not Kershner, Spielberg or another US guild director. Lucas simply was not allowed to or the director's membership would be revoked. Odd, since it is now fairly common not to have credits at the head of a feature. Anyway, it was not because Lucas was pissed with Kershner, it was purely political.
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Good or bad, Star Wars is one man's spectacular insanity.
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Good or bad, Star Wars is one man's spectacular insanity.
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Good or bad, Star Wars is one man's spectacular insanity.
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Nothing will compare to the originals so don't event invite the comparison.
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Good or bad, Star Wars is one man's spectacular insanity.
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Anyway, what I was trying to say is that nem_wan's post is brilliant.
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Nov. 4, 2012, 11:43 p.m. CST
s up with Clone Wars. Is this the last season and that's why GL is bowing out now?
by DarthBlart
Or is it part of this deal too?
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I read an interview that said that they were already working on season 6, but it also said that after this season its moving to Disney XD.
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Kenny Rogers would be proud.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 1:22 a.m. CST
check this dude out. He does scans of VHS covers. Sick of fucking Star Wars, wish I wasn't so Jaded, but I don't fucking care.
by Nichole
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLmBkQacJXs&feature=plcp
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REVENGE OF THE SITH is one of, if not THE, worst movies I have ever seen. Take away the lightsabers, blasters, starships, droids, and the John William's score. Look at the film for what it truly is, and not for all the great STAR WARS iconography that all of us geeks love so much. The film is a spectacular failure on every level. Just the way the scenes are blocked and shot is absolutely terrible. Lucas stages scenes exactly like a typical daytime soap opera. Medium two-shot, close-up, medium two-shot, close-up. it does't get much more dull than that. So much so that it's just embarrassing. The Original Trilogy is shot like an Adventure film, War film, and Western. Not like a soap opera, which is really the biggest difference between the PT and the OT. You're so outraged by what I said, but give me just ONE example of good writing in ROTS. Structure, theme, dialogue, symbolism.... ANYTHING. Just one example can't be that hard to point out One. Single. Example. Here is an excellent example of great writing in a really great script: There are three types of conflicts in a film, Man vs Man, Man vs Beast, and Man vs Himself. In JAWS, Chief Brody is going up against the Mayor and the town to try to shut the beaches down because they don't want to because it will destroy their summer tourist revenue (Man vs Man). Chief Brody is up against a 25 foot, three ton Great White shark (Man vs Beast). And he is facing his own fear of the water, which he is terrified of (Man vs Himself). That's just one example of the sophistication in the JAWS screenplay. There is NO sophistication in the REVENGE OF THE SITH script. None. Unless you can point out something I missed. And good on you of you do.
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I can clear up your confusion. I went to see THE PHANTOM MENACE seven times in the theater (8 times with the 3D re-release) because I love THE PHANTOM MENACE. I enjoy the hell out of it. When the Prequels are available on Blu-ray individually I will purchase THE PHANTOM MENACE. It's got some great characters (Darth Maul obviously and Qui-Gon Jinn), a great retro Sci-Fi/mid-century modernism/depression era futurism look to it (the Naboo Fighter is a perfect example), a great score (I love Dual of the Fates), and the idea of a Queen taking back control of her planet that has been toppled in a Blitzkrieg type invasion is awesome. But I don't think it's a great, or even a good movie. It isn't, but I still love it.
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Obi-Wan Kenobi didn't.
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I agree with one9deuce on that one. For me THE PHANTOM MENACE for all its flaws still sits a lot closer to the OT because of its cinematic visual aesthetic. Something does change for AOTC and ROTS (whether it was the digital film stock or shooting on so much greenscreen in Oz rather than location). The cinematography takes a distinct turn towards the dark side... the photoshop side! I put this in one of the other threads too but if Ridley Scott can bring in PROMETHEUS for the relatively modest sum of $130 million, which was shot using the latest red Epic cameras, on the worlds largest ever soundstages and on location, then I pray, pray, pray that Disney goes back to that old school style for EP VII. Doing everything practical when they can and bringing back that tangible, used universe that fans loved.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 2:33 a.m. CST
Carrie Fisher might return for ep7, but only providing everyone drops the Carrie shit and calls her by her proper name, Bo Shuda.
by Bradly Durant
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ps. Disney also make sure you fuck off those CGI Battle Droids. They brought nothing to the PT. No Jeopardy. No threat. No match for the heroes. And no sense that they even actually existed, just weightless CG creations that never once felt like hard solid metal.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 2:54 a.m. CST
Plus, Ford did Cowboys & Aliens because he got to keep his horses
by Hardboiled Wonderland
The horses got worked like slaves and he felt so bad for them, he bought them and they're living a happy retirement on his ranch. Ford rocks.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 2:55 a.m. CST
George Lucas just got $4billion he's putting directly into education philanthropy
by Hardboiled Wonderland
What the fuck are Obama and Romney doing? George Lucas for President.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 2:56 a.m. CST
cobra_kai, sounds like Walking Dead's season 3 zombies :P
by Hardboiled Wonderland
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There's enough online articles about what is really going on. His kids didn't want to take over the company so he is putting it in the hands of an organization he felt he can trust. I'm cool with that. Yes, he gets lots of money, awesome for him. But he's donating much of it and going to go back to his student film roots for a bit. He'll be a consultant on the new Star Wars films and that is awesome. Honestly, I am proud of him and excited to see Star Wars coming back in a way that I have been dreaming of for decades. My only regret is that I don't have the clout with IATSE or Disney to qualify to be a storyboard artist for these new films. I'm currently working on a contract for a children's cartoon series instead.
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'May the Force Be With You'.......get it right.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 4:39 a.m. CST
Please do not re-cast any of the original actors...
by Righteous Brother
and whoever said Tatum for Han Solo - should be shot. Are you on Crack Cocaine?
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Anyone who prefers TPM to the awesome ROTS needs to check into the nearest lunatic asylum.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 4:54 a.m. CST
I consider knowing who Tarkin as a character what seperates SW fans from people who just like SW
by Rebel Scumb
Somehow his character never registers with casual viewers: SWfan: 'Who was the villian in Starwars?' CasViwer: 'Darth Vader' SWF: 'no I mean the other villian, the one running the deathstar' CF: '?????' SWF: 'I'll give you some hints, he's an old british guy, he's the one who order Leia's home be destroyed, he dies when the death star blows up at the end.' CF: '?????' SWF: 'You have seen star wars before right?' CF: 'Oh yeah like 10 times! I love those movies, especially the one with Jabba in it!' SWF: 'Grand Moff Tarkin' CF: 'bless you' SWF: 'no that's his name' CF: 'who's name?' SWF: 'the bad guy Iwas talking about' CF: 'that's darth vaders real name?'
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Nov. 5, 2012, 5:05 a.m. CST
Steven Spielberg wanted to direct Episode III
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
"I've asked him. He won't let me do one." These are the sad words of Steven Spielberg regarding his requests to direct Star Wars being turned down. For years, the director has begged George Lucas for a shot. "I wanted to do one 15 years ago, and he didn't want me to do it. I understand why - Star Wars is George's baby." He mentioned he's still very interested in helming a story that takes place in a galaxy, far, far away.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 5:28 a.m. CST
Spielberg for 1-3 to avoid the "franchise" feeling. The Harry Potter films suffered from stylistic mood swings.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 5, 2012, 5:29 a.m. CST
@Mr sean1701, if Lucas was so unhappy with the "I know" add-lib in empire, he could had edited it out of the movie, since it was he who did the editing.
by albert comin
There had been shot other takes without that add-lib. That Lucas allowed it to be in the movie means he though it was a good thing, thus he earns brownie points too for it to exist in the movie. This anti-Lucas bashing bullshit is getting out of hand to the point people have started to create a mythology about it where everything that is bad about SW is due to him alone. Which is bullshit, of course. Also, Lucas edited Raiders Of The Lost Ark (a fact that Spielberg is tireless to point out), so you can have that to thank Lucas as well for how good the movie turned out.
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How much of the Lucas hate has been driven by people who don't know who Tarkin is who were just parroting minor fan frustrations.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 5:33 a.m. CST
Should have said Spielberg for 7-9. Hard to think of these as the same series.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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without them, we may not have had an Empire Strikes Back or Casino Royale
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Nov. 5, 2012, 6:39 a.m. CST
star wars is ruined and disney sucks. so does the evil.dead remake turkey carver assholes
by len
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The ultimate male versus the ultimate meatball?
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Nov. 5, 2012, 7:12 a.m. CST
the prequels all suck..yes. but i'd argue that TPM is actually a better film than ROTS.
by FleshMachine
dont let the "darker tone" , the fancy fx and video-game-like visuals fool you. Sith was terrible. really bad. from the laughable banter between anakin a obiwan. the instant and totally ridiculous turn of anakin to the darkside. the godawful dialogue during the whole ending sequence etc...the whole film is a great big beautiful mess. phantom menace was not a good film...but on it's own terms i think it worked much better than Sith. Clones may be the worst though.
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He's not that much over the other two and he would be wearing his boots there and they aren't tall men. Especially Hamill. He's lucky if he is 5'8!
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Nov. 5, 2012, 7:14 a.m. CST
4 billion seems too little...a few star wars films and bed sheets will make that....hmm
by FleshMachine
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Disney's not go
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Disney's not going back to models & stop motion. It'll be all cgi like ep 1,2,3- sorry folks..
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They could easily leave Han and Leia out of the movie, except to maybe reference them or possibly show their children, but still have Luke. Luke is a Force user so it makes sense that he would live longer than Han and Leia. That being said, I think you only have Luke in the first movie, to hand over the reins to a new generation of Jedi, then move on.
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Thanks.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 7:49 a.m. CST
If Harry Ford gets too picky and says no to return as Han Solo, then hire Kurt Russell for the role.
by albert comin
With the added bonus that Russell still looks like he can kick ass believably.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 7:57 a.m. CST
And if Carrie Fisher doesn't want to return as Leia, hire Cindy Williams instead.
by albert comin
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Cushing was 6' tall. He looks to be a decent bit shorter than Prowse in that shot. And Mark is wearing a big goofy hat that makes it look like he is almost as tall as Cushing, but being you can tell that he's a few inches shorter.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 8:09 a.m. CST
I like the notion of an old Luke once again going to the breach.
by albert comin
The rebirth of the nightmare of his youth. Kind like Beowulf, isn't it?
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Nov. 5, 2012, 8:20 a.m. CST
But the most important thing is to hire JJ Abrams as director for the next SW movies (yes, plural), since he is the savior of wayward franchises.
by albert comin
He's perfect because JJ Abrams is the one who saved Star Trek from whatever the hell it needed to be saved from (I never understood what ST needed to be saved from but thousands of geeks screaming histerically in total orgasmic delight cannot be wrong). If he worked such miracles with Star trek, imagine what he can achieve with Star Wars since that's a franchise he actually loves. I say, bring him on. Hire him now!
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Luke being the only returning character would be the bomb. one of the big reasons the OT worked so well is there was this mystique about what happened in the glory days. the prequels ruined that. if we just get Luke and Leia and Han as fogeys we know exactly what happened. They saved the day and stayed friends. Boooring! If we get Luke and he's alone we have no idea. then it will be cool again. as soon as they release a vague storyline about Luke training a young Jedi I'm waiting for the Jeremy Renner and Chris Pine suggestions to come flying. or maybe it'll be....a girl!
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I like the idea of Luke being the only returning character. They could even sell that idea with the information that both Leia and Solo being dead, but Luke still persists because the force, which is strong in that one, gave him an unusual longetivity, like he looks 60 years old but in fact is 120 or longer. His unusual longevity for a human would be a cause of wonder even by him, but a suddent aging process would be the first clue that there's somehting new and afoot in the force, which would be the emergence of the dark side and a new Sith Lord.
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majority of ST fans did NOT like the last movie. It was as bad as the TNG movies. Mainstream non-fans and dumb critics liked it.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 8:43 a.m. CST
yourmomsbox3D gets it. I want to take starwars fans and drill through the back of their heads with a gallon jug sized drill bit. Then drimmel out around the edges and make a
by UltraTron
nice hollowed out frame of their skulls. Then I want to fuck your dog with the results of my masterpiece.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST
Actually I don't but it would certainly be a mean thing to do.
by UltraTron
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Nov. 5, 2012, 8:46 a.m. CST
JJ ruined Star Trek. I'm a casual Trek movie fan who went to see em all. No more.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 5, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST
darthwaz1: the prequels used more physical models than the original trilogy by a factor of 20 to 1. Oow. Ya feel that? That's your brain growin!
by UltraTron
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Nov. 5, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST
A New Hope to Empire Strikes Back was hardly a mood swing. Harry Potter became completely desaturated, with stock music.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 5, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST
Just color me the resident genius digital expert on my block!
by UltraTron
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Nov. 5, 2012, 8:53 a.m. CST
I'm fully prepared to spread the word of my insane knowledge on the subject of digital effects.
by UltraTron
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That said, as darthblart said way above: I don't think I ever want to see Peter Cushing smiling again. It just seems...wrong.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 8:53 a.m. CST
I'm an ain't it cool talkbacker who longs for rubber suits like the midget in the new startrek
by UltraTron
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the definition of Mood Swing. I can't talk for Harry Potter, as I haven't seen all of them, but didn't the third Potter film benefit greatly by Cauron taking over from Columbus?
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Nov. 5, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST
That's a right smart hat there chum! They'll be really popular in 2012 for some reason.
by UltraTron
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the further these new movies distance themselves from the plot of the old ones, the better. I feel like a lot of franchises fall apart because there's only so many character arcs a set of characters can go through before shit gets retarded. Also because the casual moviegoer forgets the details or skips one and then doesn't know whats going on. James Bond survived for so long because every movie wasnt a sequel. it was just another movie with the same premise: cool english spy saves the day with gadgets and badassery. includes hot women. Mission Impossible is on a similar track. It's hard to do the exact same thing with SW. You could have with Indy but they fucked up by stopping for so long after last crusade. still. It's a great universe. Just tell a story in it.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST
have to recast young or have luke/leia/han do cameos in jedi rocking chairs talking about "the force".
by chainsaw autotune
do little kids say 'grumpy old men' is their favorite movie? no. disney knows little kids being introduced to star wars for the first time in the theater (and toys) dont wanna be forced to relate to old action farts.
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they use the same CG modeling programs and then 3D print that shit
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Nov. 5, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST
Little kids accepted Alec Guinness, Owen Lars, Beru Lars, Tarkin, so stop bitching about age.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 5, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST
righteousbrother HP Cuaron was a minor mood swing, but you shoulda seen the rest. It was like a black and white shaky cam fiesta with music ripped from a Trailer Music library
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 5, 2012, 9:15 a.m. CST
Respect Lucas for 3 more movies he planned out, then you get your Bond franchise
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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I will get round to checking the rest of the HP series at some point. I'm interested in seeing where Disney go with SW - although I always thought there was quite a finality to the series with Jedi. I hope the new films don't seem like add-ons or simple cash-ins. (which I guess they are) Be interesting to see whether they get different directors for each film, or just one. Either way, I think we're in for some pretty interesting times over the next few years, would love to see if they could re-capture some of the old magic.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 9:23 a.m. CST
Remember how Lucas took that shrimp and stuck him in the Vader costume and how it looked like a shrimp padded up in a Vader costume?
by UltraTron
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Nov. 5, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST
Since you guys are making comparisons with Bond, the new Sw movie coiuld had Luke as a sort of the M character on Bond.
by albert comin
Or as Yoda was in both the prequels and original trilogy. An important character whose decisions move the plot but who rarely is in the thick of things unless he's there to save the day, or the ocasional moment when he's caught unawares of a trap but still gets out of the situation just to shows how such a badass he still is, even more so then when he was younger due to experience. The more i think about it, the more i like the idea of an old Luke Skywalker as a character in the newer movies. Also, Mark Hamill knows how to rock a beard. Really, imagine him but with a badass long beard and a long old Jedi master hair-do and he would look properly badass.
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hopping around like a powerpuff girl. and at the end how did they think he was dead? I mean how would clone troopers kill all the jedi in the first place? weren't they...you know...jedi?
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*I'm an ain't it cool talkbacker who longs for rubber suits like the midget in the new startrek * ultratron, youre 100% wrong. If you cant see it and feel it in a tangible sense onscreen then it doesnt make much impression. Compare those big CG Battle Droids that shoot lasers out their hands in AOTC and ROTS. They should be big, scary intimidating 8 foot hunks of metal. The big Battle Droids should feel as real and scary as the Uruk Hai (practical make up) in LOTR. As the Predator (practical make up). As the Engineer (practical make up). Big fuckers that pose a real threat and look 100% real and a part of the environment. But... they dont do they? Those Big Battle Droids look like a big steaming shit. About as intimidating as a cartoon, and as realistic. Now pls go back to your trolling.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 9:40 a.m. CST
Tonight on Disney Channel, The New Adventures of Luke Skyscraper, Heins Solo, Leia Organica, CEO-P, ArghhhToo-DeeTooth, Emperor Palpitation and Darth Baker.
by albert comin
Tonight episode: "Yahoo, The Mighty Frog".
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Peter Cushing 6'? I don't know about that. He never seemed really tall and the only thing that helped make him appear tall was the was bone thin. Although this photo might suggest that Prowse might be that height - 6'5, if Ford is supposed to be 6'2. http://25.media.tumblr.com/b9vfl4b63q0m5t7ikPqh45jwo1_500.jpg But I looked up Alec Guiness and some reports have him at 5'8 or 5'9. Allow maybe for some shrinkage too given that he was in his early 60's playing the role. Here is a photo of him with Prowse......hhhhhhhhhhmmm. Not sure. http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4043/5123207272_aa9566e20f_b.jpg
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Nov. 5, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST
Remember in the 80s when anti Lucas bullies didn't have the internet?
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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It's the old thing about quality versus numbers. The Jedi were badasses, but the clones were millions of them. Also, the Jedi were backstabbed when they least expected, by the very troops they were fighting with. So, yeah, it was handled quite well. Also, don't forget that a previous movie, Attack Of The Clones, showed that even though those Jedis are very good, they are vulnerable to numbers, as shown in the arena scene where the minions of count Dooku almost wipes all the Jedis until Yoda comes to the rescue with the clone troops. So i say, it was all well handled. As for the puffy girls fighting style of Yoda, how else would it be presented due to the differences in size between Yoda and Dooku and Palpatine? Unless you wanted all of Yoda's fights to just be about a bunch of old guys firing lightings at each other. That would had been a cheat.
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I honestly think it's from spending years falling asleep on a couch that's just slightly too short for me, like I subconsciously willed my spine to compress in an attempt to nap comfortably.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST
People who say TPM was the best of the prequels make me laugh
by darthflagg
They think they're being hip by praising a boring peice of crap like TPM and putting down the flawed but awesomely fun AOTC and ROTS. But they're just sad, like people who think being a fan of Chuck Norris is funny and ironic.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST
I had a lot of fun with AOTC and ROTS, so all the negative opinions about those two movies are quite weird for me.
by albert comin
I just don't see where it cames from. It has to be about something more then just the movies themselves. The Phantom Menace, another matter.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 10 a.m. CST
I'm with you Ultra, I like all effects. I loved the look of AOTC and ROTS. Everything's especially crumbly in ROTS.
by Autodidact
And the assassination attempt then speeder chase in Coruscant is still one of the most visually stunning film sequences in existence if you ask me. Besides the silliness of using slugs when you've just cut open the window and could have shot a flamethrower into the room, I love the way that scene transitions.. it's quiet and blue-filtered indoors then it bursts out through the glass into a cacophany of noise and colour.
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Enjoy your Jar Jar and Jake "mannequin" Lloyd. In ANH, Obi Wan said Anakin was already a "great pilot". Then we found out just what kind of great pilot he was: "OOPS I pressed a button and now the spaceship is flying". "OOPS I farted on the control panel and saved the day!" Clones was a fun film, and Sith was fucking great. TPM is easily the worst of the bunch.
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then we've got to mention the landing platform on Kamino. All that rain, the storm clouds, looks fantastic, you'd never guess it was a blue screen soundstage, although I'm not as keen on the arena battle on Geonosis.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST
scirocco or you could write a good story so you didn't have to include any of that
by Stephen
I used to try to rationalize the prequels. I was 14 when Phantom Menace came out and I was so entrenched in SW lore at that point in my life that I couldn't do anything but love anything Star Wars. Especially REAL star wars by George Lucas, the star wars god. People were quick to hate it and I didnt get it. How could you hate the story? This WAS the story. Star Wars was fact to me. It was like not liking the story of a historical drama or documentary. Sorry. That's how it happened. I can't just change it. Then I grew up and realized that they could have made 3 very good movies, but instead they made 3 very bad ones. I used to imagine the clone wars. Clones on both sides, hell I didnt even know how many sides there were. I just envisioned a military machine of mass-producable death. Identities lost amidst the war. Then there were Jedi, like paladins, they were few and far between, mysterious and glorious. Their days of power were waning long before. It was already a lost mystic art by the time Obi Wan met Anakin. Palpatine and Vader were determined that no one would stand against them and one by one gruelingly HUNTED DOWN THE JEDI AND KILLED THEM. They didnt press a button and they were magically all dead. They never even knew about Yoda. he was 850 years old instead of 900. Think of it like 85 vs 90. Already at the end of his rope. Obi Wan was the only guy to even get away from the onslaught because he went to a planet that nobody would ever think of, not Anakin's HOMEWORLD. It was merciless and brutal and fantastic and real. realer than it ever was actually watching it. When it came out it was a book reports, not movies. sorry to go hard. I'm just remembering how much i used to care.
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Absolutely not true. Kershner went waaaaaay over budget on EMPIRE, which caused Lucas to wind up firing his producer for STAR WARS and EMPIRE, Gary Kurtz, when Kurtz defended Kershner's "runaway usage" of, you know, lights and dollies and great-looking shots and taking the time to get great performances from the cast (unlike STAR WARS, EMPIRE was financed out of Lucas's pocket). Maybe Kershner claimed he was up for RETURN OF THE JEDI in an interview in order to tow the company line, but after EMPIRE, Lucas briefly flirted with having David Lynch directing it (Lynch was the 20th Century Fox golden boy after THE ELEPHANT MAN) before settling on a complete puppet in the form of Richard Marquand, whose previous credit was the Sam Elliot opus THE LEGACY. In fact, on JEDI, there were always two cameras set up on the set: the "A" camera and "Lucas's camera".
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Growing out of SW is actually a bit of a maturity thing. It's Ok to like SW into adulthood, but it's damn weird to still hold it as holy in older age. That said, the agressive criticism that the prequels have, specially AOTC and ROTS is compltly undue. I see it as being harsh for harshness sake. yeah, TPM is not a great movie. Yeah, it sucks that a SW movie might be less then the greatness that was it expected to be. Such is life. Still, to call the rest of the prequel movies as shit by attatchment is just damn peculiar. The way i see it, the geeks act like women scorned. It's kinda pathetic, actually. The true of the matter is, the geeks are victims of their own expectations. They expecte a perfection for the then upcoming prequel that didn't existed even in the originals. They are also to blame for their disapointment, no matter how much they try to spin that out and put it all on Lucas' shoulders. Tough shit, such is life.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST
But worry not, my droog geeks, for there is a savior to help bring SW back to greatness. As he did it once with Star Trek (according to you), he will do it with Star Wars, and then some.
by albert comin
The one and only, the mighty J.J. Abrams!! You know it to be true.
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As a huge fan of Trek OS, I can admit that I hated that Abrams movie, and I think most other fans agree. I have never liked anything by Abrams for that matter, the worst being Cloverfield..
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Nov. 5, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST
I've always been more of a SW guy than ST, so I guess that why I like Abrams Trek?
by Stephen
or maybe I was just grateful we weren't getting crap like nemesis any more
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Nov. 5, 2012, 11:10 a.m. CST
I can't believe there are actually people who actually expected 1-3 to be what they imagined. How could Lucas know what you were thinking?
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 5, 2012, 11:13 a.m. CST
A creative person never considers expectations of others.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Tell that to the agonizing geeks who are still screaming for bloody murder 13 years later.
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Others agree? I would believe otherwise, given the overwelming gushing reaction that Abrams' first Star Trek movie got, which were effusive and enthusiastic to say the least. Where were the disagreeing voices back then? Because I saw none. So, the conclusion i have to take from OBSERVABLE EVIDENCE is that all the geeks love and rate JJ Abrams as a supreme great director and the savior of whatever franchise needs saving, from whatever it has to be saved. And again, by going from what the geeks say, no other franchise nowdays needs more saving then SW right now (ST is already saved thanks to the fantastic healing properties of JJ Abrams). Thus, JJ Abrams is the right guy, if the geeks are to be believed. I mean, if Abrams is good enough for Star Trek, he certainly is good enough for Star Wars, it stands to reason.
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I get what you're saying. But I'm a creative person and I can tell you that it is fucking painful. I think a significant part of creativity comes from a deep and destructively confused sense of self worth. It's why so many artists are so antisocial. Creative people are CONSTANTLY considering the expectations of others.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST
"JJ Abrams is the right guy, if the geeks are to be believed" I believe the honeymoon period is over. Half the geeks were glad they could be popular now. Half the geeks were mad Trek went cool. The masses were glad THEY could own something that was too ge
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 5, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST
more physical models in the prequels? nonsense. they may have made models but they didnt shoot many. almost all shots of spaceships were 100% CGI.
by FleshMachine
and thats why it looked like a video game.
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Yes, it must help being a fan of Sw to enjoy the JJ Abrams' Star Trek movie, because that movie is in all but name a Star Wars movie, it's a movie completly made in the image and style of a Star Wars movie, and Abrams and his little helpers say so themselves in the audio comentary. As for Nemesis, well, it's funny to see that movie used in negative comparison to the Abrams movie because the plot of the later is pratically a remake of the former, when it's not bothering ripping off A New Hope, Top Gun or The Wrath Of Khan.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST
Nemesis was a worthy installment, and had a great Goldsmith score.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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A farm boy who goes into space to fight a planet-destrying superweapon, sound familiar? Toss in a nonsensical time travel plot, fast-paced action, lens flares & explosions.. The best of Trek was idea/character-based, not action. As a big fan of both Trek & SW, I can honestly say 09' Trek was shit. Redlettermedia did a good review of it.
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Why don't you just climb into the Carrousel and renew.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST
booger_t I create for a living, and the key to sanity is to go niche. You can't please em all. Lucas expected Star Wars success to be more modest. I think it became too big a target.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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Nov. 5, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST
Re: The Trouble With George Lucas & The Prequels
by ArmageddonProductions
The whole essential problem with George Lucas and why geeks have such a hard time with the prequels is simple: George Lucas was never a great filmmaker to begin with. Sure, you can point back to THX-1138, but watch it again: it was/is a student art film where most of the scenes are two bald people in a completely nondescript (read: stark white) setting. It had some ideas -- no one can ever accuse Lucas of not having a great imagination! -- but it didn't exactly set the world on fire or demonstrate the subtle nuances of a burgeoning master of cinema. Double goes for AMERICAN GRAFFITI. He lucked out on getting a decent script (from Gloria and Willard Hyuck, who would later "clean up" the STAR WARS script, write INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM and get rewarded with HOWARD THE DUCK, pretty much proving the law of diminishing returns) and being in the right place at the right time to get the rights to a vast library of Fifties and Sixties songs that struck the right chord with audiences. Then, STAR WARS was a huge fucking mess. It was fortunate for Lucas that he had guys like Ralph McQuarrie and Joe Johnston to design the film, but he was pretty much incapable of controlling his own crew (his British crew would regularly stop in the middle of the shoot for tea or just because they thought Lucas was a joke) or his "cutting edge FX guys" (ILM spent the whole year Lucas was shooting principal photography ON ONE FUCKING SHOT, interspersed with general fucking off, getting high and dropping refrigerators onto concrete floors). That, and even at the shooting stage, the original STAR WARS script was a mess -- had he been allowed and/or able to shoot everything he'd planned on, the results would have looked pretty similar to THE PHANTOM MENACE. It's only due to the fact that his wife happened to be one of the greatest editors in Hollywood at the time, and that he had a couple of buddies who happened to be Francis Ford Coppola (also, his mentor), Steven Spielberg, Brian de Palma, Matthew Robbins and Carl Gottlieb, all of whom pitched in to try and salvage the film that STAR WARS turned out the way it did.</p><p> Unfortunately, none of those guys, except for Spielberg, were either around or in a position to salvage his ass on the prequels. Lucas got to do whatever he wanted. Nobody should be really surprised that the prequels turned out the way they did so much as they should be surprised that the original trilogy turned out the way IT did. EMPIRE, followed by STAR WARS, are considered the high watermarks of the series, and those are the two movies over which Lucas had the least amount of control. Lucas reasserted control as of JEDI, and that's where things start to fall apart in a big way. The Special Editions read less like a revision of STAR WARS and more like Lucas reasserting the control he wished he'd had back then. The prequels, even more so.</p><p> Again, though, no one should have been surprised about the prequels. He just wasn't a decent director to begin with, and as for being a writer, well, Google "The Star Wars: The Journal Of The Whills". Amazing ideas, no way to string them together into a cohesive narrative. Pride kept him from employing another Lawrence Kasdan, or bringing in an outside editor or, hell, hiring Spielberg to direct the goddamn things. It's even possible he was aware that he'd fucked up with THE PHANTOM MENACE, but at that point, the ball was in play. Plus, for the first time in his career, he could actually READ and HEAR what Normal Joe Viewer was saying about these things. It wasn't just a couple of elitist reviewers who "didn't get it" like in 1977, it was a vast, vocal majority of everyday people who paid to get in. And no matter how hardened you think you are, reading "I wish George Lucas was fucking dead!" a few dozen times will chip away at anyone's armor. So, he threw a 4 billion dollar hissy fit and threw STAR WARS/Indiana Jones/anything else he tainted with his stink away.</p><p> Bottom line is: while the prequels were terrible (and even the original trilogy teetered on that particular knife edge a few times!), they satisfied his particular need to get "his vision" on the screen. He got to do whatever he wanted for the first, and, as it turns out, ONLY time in his entire career. He had a cast, crew and post team that completely kissed his ass and hustled to perform his every whim (the diametric opposite of STAR WARS). No FX shot was beyond his reach. He didn't have to answer to a studio (even at the distribution stage for THE PHANTOM MENACE, he went to everyone to see who would give him the best deal, and while Fox won, they pretty much did it for scraps). And it ultimately made him money, reinforced the brand and allowed him to make another king's ransom when he sold the lot to Disney. So I don't view them as shitty movies, or even STAR WARS movies, I view the whole thing as one last ride on the golden yacht. For better or for worse, he got to live out his USC dream.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST
JJ Trek was lame bullshit... lots of fun to look at, but utterly empty and mostly devoid of logic. Not a classic by any means. That said, NEMESIS is the worst ST movie by far.
by Autodidact
I'd rather watch Star Trek 5 than ST Nemesis.
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That was my understanding as well. As for Lucas editing Raiders, I doubt an esteemed editor (and frequent Spielberg collaborator) like Michael Kahn would allow someone to toy with his work.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST
Oh, you guys and your slagging of older Hammill. He's mainly doing voice work now, what do you expect? A few months of training/diet regimen and maybe a beard (he looks very good in a beard) and you have a perfect Luke-as-Obi-Wan.
by kevred
The princess becomes more queenly and Solo is the older Clint Eastwood type. The original actors would work just fine. They should be there to pass the torch and even take part in the story. Kenobi/Yoda-type presence and relevance through all three films, why not? I hope Disney manages to cast good young talent, though. The original cast was not simply glamor-pusses. They had some relatable, next-door charm to them. A movie full of models would be awful.
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I don't think Lucas had a handle on anything as of 1981 -- he passed the torch on EMPIRE to Kershner and allowed Spielberg to do whatever he wanted on RAIDERS. He seemed like he was willing to step aside and let the filmmakers do what they did best (in fact, that was his aim around that time; Coppola was also trying to form a filmmaking collective and it failed), which is how RAIDERS and EMPIRE wound up turning out like they did. If you search interviews and articles from around that time, though, you'll read some hints that Lucas's ego was probably coming into play: I remember one TV Guide article from back then where they mentioned that Lucas had a lot of framed photos from RAIDERS on his wall, but that almost none of them were of Spielberg, or if there were, they were shots where Spielberg was in the background and Lucas appeared to be the head honcho on the set.</p><p> Even at that point, Spielberg didn't really NEED Lucas. The whole thing started because Spielberg got turned down from directing a Bond movie (!) -- I want to say it was FOR YOUR EYES ONLY -- and Lucas, trying to console his friend, said something along the lines of "I've got an idea for a movie that's BETTER than James Bond". As it turned out, especially at that time, he was right.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST
@Mr armageddonproductions, there is no diminishing of THX 1138 while i'm around.
by albert comin
That movie is sublime and anybody who has problems with it it's theirproblem not th movie's. That "student" movie is more professional then most blockbusters 10,000 more expensive, and twice that as smart.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST
"A movie full of models would be awful." For some reason, that line made me remind of the Star Trek movie made by JJ Abrams. Don't know why.
by albert comin
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I read that as well. Spielberg did finally get his wish (with Bond), by having a say as to who should play Indy's dad. To follow-up my original post, I think Harrison Ford would do Star Wars again - as long as Lucas doesn't put too much input into how the character should be portrayed.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST
Alfonso Cuarón would be the no-brainer choice for directing any new installments.
by openthepodbaydoorshal
So curious about Gravity. He seems to be one of the few directors that can meld fantasy, myth and reality effortlessly (well it looks effortless).
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Nov. 5, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST
Actusll, Spielberg needed Lucas very bad when he made Raiders.
by albert comin
Spelberg's career almost died overnight ith the terible flopping of "1941". It's hard to believe now, but Raiders did saved Spielberg's career. Things were really that bad for Spielberg. That Spielberg hen also had another phenomenalucess with ET is what made him the Spieberg prince of Holywood we know today. Meanwhile, Lucas couldn't be higher, thanks to the double sucesses of both his SW movies. Again, the anti-Lucas nonsense is fueling a mythology about the man that has little to do with reality. It's just like religion, really. And i used to hate Lucas in the 80s! If i could only see this shit then.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST
what i heard is the script for raiders was long and boring and lucas cut out the slow middle and said here
by Stephen
and then the movie ruled. dont know if thats true.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST
And If JJ Abrams is guilty of anything, regarding Star Trek, is, he made it entertaining.
by openthepodbaydoorshal
The opening attack on the Kelvin alone, was extremely well done.
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You need to read much more about the making of Empire. Lucas basically made that movie. Did you ever read his treatment? His draft? Did you read about pre and post production?
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Nov. 5, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST
Entertaining is not enough for Star Wars
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
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scirocco: note I never said THX-1138 was a bad movie. But it was neither a hard movie to make nor did it in and of itself launch Lucas's career as a filmmaker (or, arguably, give any indicator that he had actual chops as a director). It should ALSO be pointed out that Lucas was actually mentored and protected through the process by Coppola, who produced the film. In fact, after AMERICAN GRAFFITI, it was generally expected that Lucas's next film would have been none other than APOCALYPSE NOW, which Coppola was developing with him in mind to direct.</P><P> As for Spielberg needing Lucas, not true. While he did do 1941 and it flopped spectacularly, he was still not only the dude who pretty much created the summer blockbuster in '75 with JAWS, but he had more recently saved Columbia Pictures from total bankruptcy with CLOSE ENCOUNTERS. He may not have been able to secure another 1941-sized budget for a while, but he wasn't exactly hurting for work, either. In fact, the only reason he tried getting the Bond directing gig was that directing a Bond movie was a childhood dream of his, and he figured he was finally in a place to qualify for directing one.</p><p> jeshopk: Lucas may have done a treatment for EMPIRE at some point, but the actual script was developed by Leigh Brackett (who died in the middle of writing it) and finished by Lawrence Kasdan. The only reason Lucas had even written the first STAR WARS was completely Coppola's fault: he advised Lucas that to become a true auteur, he had to write his own scripts.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST
Entertaining for those who didn't like what it was, and mostly irritating to those who already liked it
by Autodidact
You think they should do this to STAR WARS?
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Nov. 5, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST
armageddonproductions - it's been awhile but I take it you've read Raging Bulls and Easy Riders...?
by openthepodbaydoorshal
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Of course, but to get a more balanced picture, I also strongly advise that you (or anyone trying to figure out the whole mess) read stuff like "Skywalking", which paints a much more accurate portrait of Lucas and how everything up to JEDI (and a little past that) went down. It even eerily predicts the prequels.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST
armageddonproductions, that's nonsense
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Lucas WAS a great filmmaker. For my money, he was the most consistent of the money brats in the 70's after Coppola - and definitely the most original. Three masterpieces in a row (Coppola made four). Spielberg, Scorsese and the rest were more hit-and-miss. Who gives a shit if THX 1138 didn't set the world on fire? It's one of the most radical American films of the 70's. American Grafitti is responsible for almost every nostalgia-celebrating movie and TV show since; it's influence is as incalculable and wide-ranging as Star Wars. And Star Wars: A New Hope itself - as just a singular work of sci fi/ fantasy/ mythology apart from its later 'franchising' - is a visionary film, more commercial but just as uncompromising and radical as the earlier THX. If Lucas had enjoyed directing, and continued with it, directing more original films such as his version of Apocalypse Now, and instead of getting bound down by Star Wars Inc., he would have been a fascinating filmmaker. Instead, he was more interested in being a mogul (but then again, so was Coppola). But there can be no doubt he was a great director and visionary between 71 - 81, and I've got to seriously question the judgment of anyone who thinks otherwise.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST
who woulda thought we'd be arguing the merits of george lucas on the internet
by Stephen
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Nov. 5, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST
Easy Riders and Raging Bulls is a terrible book...
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
and should not be used as any source of 'evidence' for claims. Directors like Coppola and De Palma have trashed the book as being full of lies, and wildly exaggerated to make the participants look bad. It doesn't help that Peter Biskind is a sneering, pompous twat, also (his later book about the Sundance/ Indie scene of the early 90's was just as wretched). Avoid.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST
Lucas is fifty percent responsible for Raiders greatness, too
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Maybe even more so. Anyone who has read the full transcripts between Spielberg, Lucas and Kasdan, when they were brainstorming ideas in the development phase, will know just how lucid and plugged in Lucas was; by contrast, most of Spielberg's interjections are borderline infantile. Of course, Spielberg directed the hell out of the Raiders, but Lucas was the main driving creative force - and helped edit that movie to its full potential as well.
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Looks like a model...heh heh
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If the rumor is true, he would be awesome. I love Layer Cake and X-Men First Class. Oh and that is a really cool pic. Thanks Quint!
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You're mistaking opinion for facts. No one begrudges you liking THX-1138, and I as I have to continually point out, I never at any point said it was a "bad" film. I'm telling you what happened. And Lucas was never "bogged down" with STAR WARS -- he wanted to make "Flash Gordon", he couldn't secure the rights, Coppola suggested he come up with his own "Flash Gordon", Universal, who had a two-picture deal with Lucas following AMERICAN GRAFFITI, took one look at "The Star Wars: The Journal Of The Whills" and politely recused themselves from being involved. There is no way on Earth anyone would have financed that screenplay, and it was, in fact, Coppola who interceded on Lucas's behalf and convinced Fox that it could be whipped into shape that garnered him a budget and a distributor at all.</p><p> Also, while we're on the subject of Coppola, it may interest you to know that many of Lucas's "visionary ideas" -- a filmmaking collective, innovations in theatrical sound, special effects and even digital editing -- those were all Coppola's ideas and intents with American Zoetrope. He wanted a vast compound where he and his fellow filmmakers could produce their own films outside of the studio system (i.e. - Skywalker Ranch). Unfortunately, Coppola is the diametric opposite of Lucas: great filmmaker, horrible businessman. Many of the things he was trying to get off the ground were either bought by and refined by Lucas, or just outright co-opted by Lucasfilm. I also stated that Lucas was the one who HAD the idea for RAIDERS. He has a great imagination, no denying that. Fuck, even his ideas for the prequels were, at the base of it, pretty remarkable. He's just no good at putting together a movie on his own. However, most of the kudos for RAIDERS being the way it ended up being goes to Spielberg, Lawrence Kasdan and Michael Kahn, not Lucas. Lucas, in fact, stayed in the background for that one. But yes, he's come up with ALL the ideas for his stuff. It's the amount of participation subsequent to that where the problems come into play.
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Not only was THX 1138 hard to make, but it never had been a movie like that before. Or since for that matter. It takes a lot of balls and confidence to mae a movie like that. It takes a lot of fucking talent and expertise, i tell you that. The kind of editing the movie has, sound and image, and done with the means of that time, are beond amazing. Anybody who knows a bit of cinema can't be but in total awe of THX 1138. As for Sielberg, as the old holywood say goes, you re only as good as yourlast movie. And when you make a hug flop that affects TWO studios, you bet you became something of a pariah. Lucas had a hard time convincing Paramount that Spielberg should direct Raiders, bcause he as considered box ofic poison, everybody believed his lucky run as the wonderkid has run it's course. Spileberg became The Spielberg thanks to Raiders, not because of any movie before. And half the reason Raider rules so much is due to Lucas, if more more.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST
I say, JJ Abrams redefined the notion of entertainment with his Star Trek.
by albert comin
I never expected that entertainment could be like that! Specially on a franchise known for it's thoughfulness, maturity, social-political relevance and intelligence. JJ Abrams sure changed all that.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 2:43 p.m. CST
Also, Lucas had writen scripts previously to Star wars. He wrote THX 1138 (with editor Walter Murch) and American Graffitti.
by albert comin
The only artof Grp+hitti that is not really Lucas is the dialogues between Ronnie Howard and the girlfiend. Funny enough, those are the parts of the movie i find the least enjoyable. And for those who say Lucas can't direct actors, then how you explain that Candy Clarke won an oscar for that movie? The elves did i?
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Nov. 5, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST
armageddonproductions, you're not stating any 'facts'
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
To wit: 'Lucas passed the torch on Empire to Kasdan and allowed Spielberg to do what he wanted on Empire. This is demonstrably false. Lucas was heavily involved in Empire, even at a screenwriting level, and this is verified by countless sources. Allowed Spielberg to do what he wanted in Raiders? You've GOT to be kidding. No accounts of the development of Indiana Jones support this. Download and read the aforementioned transcripts for starters, if you want proof of that. Lucas had the vision for that character, in great detail; this laid substantial groundwork for the movie and it was not deviated from. He was thereafter heavily involved in the production and editing, making suggestions every step of the way. No attributing of credit to other parties will change the reality of that. When I say Lucas was bogged down with Star Wars, I'm talking about his later career after he retired as a director. He became a custodian of Star Wars and Indiana Jones, other productions/ tech innovations and business matters related to them all, instead of continuing as a director. Why are you giving me an irelevant lecture on Lucas wanting to make Flash Gordon, but being unable to secure the rights? That has nothing to do with anything, other than an attempt to again attribute credit to someone else. I'm also well aware of Coppola and Lucas' history and the foundation of American Zoetrope. I wasn't referring to that at all, but the particular aesthetics and style of Lucas' films, which were in evidence even in his student shorts, years before he met Coppola on the set of Finian's Rainbow. And the fact of the matter is this: Coppola could talk a good game (and still does), but Lucas actually went ahead and made some of these innovative ideas they discussed a reality. Mere 'intentions' alone mean nothing. Quite frankly, you're letting your blind hatred of the man get in the way and scrambling to pass the buck for Lucas' success on to others. There's no doubt that Coppola was an influential mentor, or that Spielberg directed Raiders with aplomb, or that their were other participants in Lucas' success (as their are in everybody's), but to try to position Lucas as a sideman in his own story is asinine.
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Thanks for pointing out that (and other) accurate facts, the ones that the Lucas bashers conveniently ignore or gloss over. It seems I have an ally in my defense of THX 1138, also (astounding as it is that it needs to be defended). That movie doesn't get enough credit among the geeks. Must be the lack of action figures derived from it. It should also be noted that Lucas between 71 - 81 was a far different filmmaker than today. Instead of being someone who required others' input to make good, an analysis of Lucas' contributions to these productions will show that he was usually spot on in his decision making back then. The Lucas bashers try to indulge in revisionist history and write him out of his own legend, claiming that his poor later decisions must have been in evidence even then. In fact, he was a great filmmaker back then - that IS a fact, not an opinion, just as it is factual that Michael Bay is a terrible filmmaker and Kubrick a master. Anyone with eyes and some knowledge of cinema and directing can tell. Oh, wait...it's those fucking elves again.
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I'm happy to see another fan of THX 1138 as well. I remember the first time i saw that movie and how i was blown away by it. I mentioned above that in the 80s i really disliked Lucas a lot, but then i got the oportunity to watch THX 1138 for the first time, and my mind was blown away. I just couldn't believe what i had saw and heard. And heard is a very apropriate thing to aply to the experience of watching that movie because for me it's the best sound job in a movie ever. Everything works for me in that movie. The story, the visuals, the sound, the music (quite a very unusual piece by Lalo Schiffrin), the performances, every damn thing in it. The movie is a test book case on how to edit a movie for story maximum impact. And it's such a clever movie, everytime i watch it i find new things, the movie becomes more and more sophisticated and complex. It's also a very funny movie, if you get into it's humour groove. I could be singing a rhapsody about the movie for hours, that's how much i love it. It is one of my all time favorite movies. And that movie not only gave me a new appreciation and made me make my peace with Lucas, but made me realise that only a great filmmaker could make a movie like that. You have to have a lot of talent to make such a movie and no mistake.
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Nov. 5, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST
I can see an old Han playing some type of Admiral in the new fleet. Same with Leia. And Luke as the Sage character.
by kindofabigdeal
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Nov. 5, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST
Can we get an evil clone Luke hidden away by the Emperor who has the insideous Joker laugh?
by kindofabigdeal
You know, cause he went mad in solitude.
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He'll be back. Has to keep that skeleton he's married to happy.
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i ddn't know a retarded story targeted at the lowest common denominator is called entertainment.
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star wars,indiana jones,thx 1138,american graffiti are masterpieces which owe their existence directly or indirectly to Lucas. The problem is that he eventually turned into a businessman surrounded by yes-men and whose mantra was that VFX is the answer to everything. As a result we got the SW prequels abomination and the raping of the original SW movies. That's what infuriates the fans and rightfully so. Yes Lucas was a great filmmaker, that can not be denied, but that has a long,long time ago. Now let's see how much more Disney will fuck up the franchise. I hope to god they ll hire JJ as the helmer of the movies. hehehehe.
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Just google it, it's true. Not surprising, really.
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She did NOT win...for the record.
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Can Matthew Vaughn or whomever is finalized to direct Episode VII please sign Michael Fassbender to a three film deal as anything appropriate.
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Nov. 6, 2012, 6:40 a.m. CST
Re: turd_is_floating_underneath_the_gravy/Harrison Ford
by ArmageddonProductions
turd_is_floating_underneath_the_gravy: Yikes, take it easy!!! Your own "evidence" (yes, yes, we've all read the Lucas/Spielberg/Kasdan tape transcripts!) pretty much supports what I said: Lucas (and Spielberg) came up with the ideas. Not quite the same thing as actually writing the script, directing the film or editing it, none of which Lucas himself did or had any part of. No one is disrespecting your hero, but you sound like somebody trying to defend Edison for "all those inventions he came up with by himself".</p><p> Also, to answer everyone's speculation as to whether or not Harrison Ford was planning on coming back to the STAR WARS franchise: http://www.unleashthefanboy.com/movies/harrison-ford-want-back-in-for-star-wars-episode-7/32960
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Nov. 6, 2012, 7:28 a.m. CST
cobra I never troll I just pick on you because you're smaller and I enjoy taking your lunch money. All I said was there were many more physical models used in the
by UltraTron
prequels than there were in the originals. Phantom Menace was ILM's biggest model show ever at the time.
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Had a wild story of guy who was supposedly the illegitimate son of Palpatine... He was insane and had a third eye in the back of his head and was a force user.... His name...... KEN!
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IF he was smart, he'd do it, have a huge box-office smash on his hands and then retire like Connery...get the hell out on top...retire with a lasting impression... not that of a cranky old prick who used to be cool.
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