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‘How The Hell Can This Be Happening??’ Herc’s Sunday WALKING DEAD Talkback!!

Published at: Nov. 4, 2012, 2:43 a.m. CST

Last week Michonne decapitated her companions and The Governor wiped out some heavily armed rivals. It was easily one of this series’ finest episodes, with or without The Governor’s bank of blinking heads. I can’t say I missed Rick, Daryl or Hershel at all.

AMC says of tonight’s episode, “Killer Within”:

The group is severed and lives are put in jeopardy. In Woodbury, Merle has a request for the Governor.

 

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  • The actor they got to play the governor was GREAT casting.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 2:53 a.m. CST

    It's the smaller black guy who's messing with them.

    by Jonathan

    I guess he survived. Pause at 27 seconds.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 3:20 a.m. CST

    kat williams?

    by Gleep_Glop

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 3:38 a.m. CST

    Hooray for zombies

    by buggerbugger

    They'll conquer the world through the sheer fucking unrelenting tedium of it all.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 4 a.m. CST

    Good insight into Glen Mazzara’s Horror Inspirations here.

    by rakesh patel

    http://goo.gl/Qnqh8 looking forward to tonights ep

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Governor stuff from the comics

    by ImperialMarchFace

    I'm wondering how they're eventually going to connect Woodbury to the prison. Right now there is no reason for the governor to get all torturey like in the comic because Andrea and Micchone legitimately don't have any info on other survivors that they haven't already told him. Are the Governor and Co. going to find the prison, or the other way around? Maybe Rick kicks one of the convicts out, then he ends up in Woodbury and tells them all about the prison.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 4:18 a.m. CST

    i posted spoilers in the last Walkback.

    by Richard

    Very last there last i looked. Go there if you want to know what happens.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Has the one where.................

    by Freshly Dude

    sPOILER...........Lori and her baby died screened yet? Or is that this one?

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Octoburn...

    by LordEnigma

    if any of that happens... HOLY SHIT GOD DAMN MOTHERFUCKER! Seriously, that will be so fuckinhg hardcore that it has to lead to Rick being turned into a monster, that will do anything to keep the rest of his crew together.

  • It's nice to hear a writer that understands this precept, for a change! It's perfectly ok, in fiction, to violate a law of the real world, but only if the law stays broken in a consistent way, and the consequences are consistently portrayed throughout the story. It's George Lucas' biggest failing, for example by giving Jedi powers in one scene that they apparently do not have in another scene. Or in Star Trek when the capabilities of Starfleet technology changes depending on the story. Or any sci-fi movie where the full implications of the technology isn't even hinted at, like the way TRON completely ignores that Flynn has inadvertently invented TELEPORTATION. (Scan yourself into The Grid, travel through the Internet to a computer on the other side of the planet, and upload yourself into the real world again, all in a matter of seconds.)

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Octoburn

    by angry kitty

    Wow. Thanks for posting that. I am seriously intrigued by how this is going to play out. What a strong season this is turning out to be!

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Octoburn i demenad to know how you are in the know.

    by rakesh patel

    casue actually those spoilerific comments i hunted down sound rather good. i got my eye on you son.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 8:26 a.m. CST

    My guesses at what happens

    by DVaderRIP

    Were very much that Lori and the baby do not live to see the end of this season. Not because of the comics (I haven't read them, don't intend to), but because as a writer it's a development that would make sense. For similar reasons, Rick is not going to be losing his hand (quite apart from having to have a practical effect in place for the remaining lifespan of the show). In other news, I expect T-Dog to have an expanded role in the second half of the season, and of course you'd have to be retarded not to see a massive merle / rick / daryl faceoff coming.

  • And bang bang banged the "GATE OPEN" button.

  • She wears the pants in that relationship.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Plus Maggie is much bigger then Glen

    by Xiphos_2

    and he doesn't know any of the Karates.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Serious questiond for Walking Dead fans- do the zombies kill animals?

    by Cotton_Mcknight

    I watched the first episode and enjoyed it quite a bit- until the ending with the horse. That ruined it for me, and I have refused to watch it for that reason. However, if that was an isolated incident, I might start watching again. Zombies do NOT kill animals- I'm sorry, but that's the rule. There is a lot of social commentary attached to zombie movies, and that is eliminated if the zombies go after everything. It becomes a mindless, stupid gore-fest.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Dude it would be SOOOOOOOO easy to explain the horse attack.

    by FluffyUnbound

    The zombies select targets in part by smell. So they went for the horse because it was covered in live human stank. So if you pet your dog, and the zombies come, they will eat your dog. Because your smell is on it. But they aren't out there eating deer.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 1 p.m. CST

    No, zombies do eat animals

    by FitnaTheForbiddenMovie

    In season 1, IIRC, a zombie was chomping down on a dead dear.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Of COURSE Zombies eat animals

    by BlueLando

    They eat flesh. Why would they differentiate between animals and humans? That suggests a basic intelligence. Which they don't have. They don't even eat to survive, they just eat.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Did I miss something... Or will it be revealed?

    by WeylandYutani

    Why did the Gov kill that National Guard detachment? As a leader, even a power hungry one, wouldn't you want guys who have weapons and equipment and know how to take orders? Get them to train your civilians or build fences and barriers... Even if they are extra mouths to feed they would have been useful. Other than showing him as a 'bad guy,' I didn't get it, especially since it seems that the human race is on the verge of extinction.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Is Comic Book Men still on?

    by cromulent

    Glob, what a facepalm of a show. I rather get an hour of Talking Dead.

  • Nice to see these jackasses continue to paint our military - even a Guard unit - as a bunch of incompetent pussies. Any unit, particularly one that just escaped a massacre and just lost its helicopter (unless a scout copter was supposed to be gone for over a day) is going to be on edge and keeping maximum surveilance. They also wouldn't set themselves up near an area with high grass where they couldn't see what's coming. Completely fucking stupid. No way the Governor's crew sneaks up on them and gets him surrounded. And no way the Governor walks up to them without multiple guns trained on him. Lazy/political hack writing like that really pisses me off.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    No Comic Book Men talkback?

    by GunterMonkey

    Yes, the show is a bit cheesy with the forced story lines (a kid's b-day party?), but the guys do have a great chemistry (listen to their podcasts, which are very entertaining)...I wish they'd include more banter and more real to life moments from the Stash. But, we shouldn't complain that we get a show like this...keep watching!!

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Why would the governor care about the prison?

    by GreatOne4

    In the comic book, they had maximum supplies and firepower. Doesn't look like a lot of supplies, and haven't revealed the types of weapons they have in the show. Also, in the comic book the Governor was a complete psychopath who wanted to conquer/rule the New World. Don't get the notion the t.v. version has the same ambitions.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Octoburn - give you credit for this, re: your spoilers

    by GreatOne4

    There is one member of the cast listed in IMDB for this week's episode who's not there next week.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    National Guard...

    by funkylovemonkey

    While those in the military might be good at taking orders, they're also good at giving orders, and they have a chain of command that doesn't include a self appointed Governor. I really don't have a problem with the Governor seeing them as a threat. Not only would they be more mouths to feed but if anyone was to start to question his authority, it would be people who have been trained and have experience in giving orders and taking command in a time of crisis. His own people might start looking to them for leadership, especially if he started acting irrationally. As far as the tactics of the National Guard, of course when your major concern is zombies rather then other people, you would change your tactics. All sorts of things that work against people like finding cover and spreading out would be bad decisions when you're facing zombies.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    RE: Octoburn **spoilers**

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    T-Dawg may indeed be dead meat tonight...as greatone4 pointed out, that actor is not listed in the cast of next week's episode. But there's no way Lori and baby die tonight. A recent interview with Mazzara hinted that this season is all about setting up the Woodbury/Prison showdown, and the all out war won't start until next season. So I think they will wait to off Lori next season (if the show goes that route at all).

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Lori is listed on IMDB for next several shows

    by GreatOne4

    I suspect that Octoburn was referring to season-long spoilers, not next episode. His prediction at who pulled the prison alarm is somewhat surprising.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Yeah the national guard scene strained credulity a bit.

    by heylookoverthere

    "this guy has a white flag and knows the name of one of our missing friends! lets totally let our guard down" But that kinda writing is not uncommon on TV. RE: octoburn's spoilers: ...... how would that guy have survived and gotten outside the prison? Didn't we hear him screaming?

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST

    re:spoilers.

    by Richard

    I havent seen tonights ep, i found the spoilers on a website. Could be real, could be not real. It said the reason Lori dies is that they are locked in cells when the zombies attack. Loris locked in with Maggie, and she has to perform the c section. TDog sacrifices himself so that Carol can live (this would explain the shots of Daryl standing over a grave) which at least gives him a noble end. Which i woyld prefer to keeping him alive as hes now written. Again, not 100% sure if theyre true, but theyre the only "real" spoilers (everything else i found was the generic amc episode description) i could find. Id be a bit surprised if it does happen, as i have been calling loris death/babys birth as the end of the first half of the season. If they do this, now, they must have something great cooked up for "made to suffer".

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Terrible of the director

    by korbermeister

    to depict an animal being killed by zombies! Doesn't he know that in the REAL WORLD animals don't kill each other unless as a very last resort and only then in compliance with Talmudic law!

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST

    RE: comic book men

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    I have a love/hate relationship with Kevin Smith (mostly hate the last several years), but I've watched every episode of Comic Book Men. And I hate all reality shows for the stupid contrived plots (which CBM is full of, with the addition of the Pawn Stars haggling routine). Last week's episode was especially bad: let's go hunt the Jersey Devil?? I would much rather watch a show that documented the daily operations of the Stash, without the wince-inducing contrivances. But I watch because Walt Flanagan seems like a genuine and nice guy, and Bryan Johnson is a funny motherfucker and interesting character (even moreso now that he's put on some weight and grown an Alan Moore beard), and their podcast can be really funny. So it's definitely a bad show, but there are a ton of shitty shows on TV, so why shouldn't this one get to be on TV, too?

  • ....its a perfect set up for this season. people are too impatient nowadays with tv. TWD is slow burn with great results. even their deviations from the comic are good and fits a television viewing schedule. good times for tv!

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Ick...Spaghetti-O's and The Walking Dead don't mix.

    by adeceasedfan

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST

    *Spoilers*

    by glodene

    Aww man, they done bit my nigga, T- Dogg!

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST

    I guess they cant have more than two black characters.

    by moorE12

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Ho-Lee Sheeeeyit

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    regarding octoburn's spoilers...T-Dawg is bit, Andrew is a prime contender for the person who let loose the walkers and set off the alarm, and now Lori is in labor. Will Lori die tonight???

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Sure they can have two black characters

    by Xiphos_2

    As long as one isn't "T Dawg".

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Octoburn: you gotta let us know what this site is

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    where you are getting your spoilers. Or else let us know your role on the Walking Dead production team.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 8:40 p.m. CST

    *Spoilers*

    by glodene

    Aww man, they done killed my nigga, T- Dogg!

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Wish the guv stayed anonymous

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    It was badass last week when he said he NEVER revealed his name. I wish they had kept it that way.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 8:49 p.m. CST

    HOLY FUCK

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    This show sure did grow the beard in the third season!!!!

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 8:52 p.m. CST

    This is awesome

    by genesis495

    I kinda wished I hadn't read Octoburn's spoilers, but I'm really excited to see where it goes from here. They've done a great job this season.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Same here, genesis495

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    I read Octoburn's spoilers because I've read the comics. This third season has kicked muthafuckin ass!!!

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 8:59 p.m. CST

    ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!

    by adeceasedfan

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST

    I'm now drinking.

    by MovieManStill

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:02 p.m. CST

    That was a fucking great episode!

    by adeceasedfan

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:02 p.m. CST

    WALKING DEAD has come into its own

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    The pilot episode was fantastic. Season One was so-so. Season two was more bad than good. Season Three?? This show has overcome my expectations. I knew the show would never replicate the dark nature of the comics, but it has blazed its own path and with tonight's episode has truly come into its own. Great fucking show. Good riddance, Darabont.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:03 p.m. CST

    This show isn't fucking around anymore@@

    by Randy

    Holy shit...

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:03 p.m. CST

    They basically said, "fuck all your feelings" tonight

    by terry1978

    No punches pulled.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Drink one for me moviemanstill.

    by adeceasedfan

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:05 p.m. CST

    HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

    by scors54

    Anyone doubting the intensity of this show now really just needs to fuck off with their pretentious horse shit. That is all.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:06 p.m. CST

    shit on my face wow

    by mike

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Spectacular episode!

    by Hercules

    Truly harrowing and moving. Kudos to series newcomer Sang Kyu Kim, who scripted.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Wow...no holds barred this season! Spoilers

    by LabattsBleu

    really great season so far! They sure aren't afraid of killing off characters! Sure, tons of the characters died in the comic too, but i didn't think they'd go to the same extent on this show, this season particularly...

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST

    And a cry of joy was heard throughout the land.....

    by Monkeybrains

    The most obnoxious, annoying, disagreeable character in the history of television is no longer with us <p> Praise be to the producers

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Rick's baby (if it survives)

    by Richard

    Is it going to replace Sophia as Glenn and Maggies adopted baby? It would be kinda weird with Rick still around, but Rick's abadass who doesn't have time for babies.

  • I guess they listened to the fans.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Quick thought

    by genesis495

    I'm wondering if Carl actually shot Lori. We didn't see the body, so it could be a possibility that when he fired, he shot the ground or something. Maybe, I'm just being paranoid, with the whole they are not truly gone until you see the body trope in television. I'm pretty sure she is dead, but not dead dead in the sense that maybe she's a zombie.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST

    just started to come back around to lori lol

    by mike

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:19 p.m. CST

    booooooooooo

    by SyphilisDiller

    Spoilers? They just took away the main event of the governor storyline, and made Lori a selfless martyr, sacrificing herself for the baby. Booooo.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Prediction

    by Hercules

    The prisoner with the giant mustache will make a fine nanny.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST

    LOL So T-Dogg gets more lines than he ever had and

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    they killed him off?! Only to replaced him by another black guy! LOL!!!! Thats awful script writing at its best. And to make things even lamer he practically gave up his seat to new black guy because he was taking up for him and hillbilly in the beginning. And lets not forget the other noticebly bad writing and handling when the silent zombies returns. No. I should say disappearing and reappearing zombies. I mean you come one and don't em' and then you turn around to see a group standing a couple of yards, feets, or inches behind you. Or in some cases, beside you while you're laughing. Is that all for tonite stellar episode? Heck no. How about Michonne openly questioning the Gov motive/opertional? I mean who does that without a weapon or plan b? What happens if he decides he can't let you leave/live because you're on to him? Why do characters in tv land constantly do dumb cliche shit like that? I dunno. The episode was decent but the writing continues to suck ass!

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Question. (Caution: spoiler topic)

    by angry kitty

    Where's Carol? She didn't die did she? I Thought she survived & escaped when t- dawg was overrun. But that last scene seemed to suggest she didn't make it. which is a shame since after a very disappointing second season character arc, she was FINALLY beginning to get interesting

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:26 p.m. CST

    angry kitty

    by adeceasedfan

    I didn't get the feeling that she didn't make it. Truthfully I didn't think about it much after what just transpired. She'll turn up.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Hollywoodhellraiser

    by dcut75

    Seriously. Why the fuck are you even watching the show then? If the last 3 eps didn't impress you then you're so jaded that I feel bad for you.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Keeping the Comic Book Men Talkback alive!!

    by GunterMonkey

    Yes, CBM isn't obviously the ratings giant that WD is, but give it some love people!! Yes, it's a terrible show, but can't we agree to watch it nonetheless?!!

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST

    None of the deaths had any impact.

    by UMAGA

    It felt like a show in panic mode, thinking everything sucks so they have to kill a bunch of characters off. T-Dawg getting replaced by T-Dawg II is hilarious.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Comic Book Men more thoughts

    by GunterMonkey

    Damn people, it's like you hate the genre or something...hahahahaaaa (sarcastic, of course, considering the source). I know it doesn't live up to expectation (it's honestly not a very good TV show, period.), but support it nonetheless (what, you want more fucking Pawn Stars or something? Or Cupcake wars, Wedding Dress, etc.?).

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Comic Book Men is embarassing.

    by UMAGA

    Bunch of fat, ugly nerds telling shitty jokes and going huh huh huh huh huh.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST

    I was in tears...

    by Lashlarue

    by the end. A beautiful episode.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:41 p.m. CST

    @dcut75

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    FUCK OFF!!! I forgot the series is for sheeps like you with blinders on and a bad case of the licks! @Umaga re: T-Dawg getting replaced by T-Dawg II is hilarious. It is considering that exactly what happen. Right down to T-Dogg 2.0 saving Rick life. We know he in the group now because of it. Whatever became of the black man and his son who helped Rick recovered? Whether have him back.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Ming dies in tonight's COMIC BOOK MEN

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    He is the T-DAWG of the group, time for him to die a horrible death!!

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Congrats T-Dawg...

    by maxjohnson1971

    Longest run for a black character in a horror film/series. It was a good run my man. A good run.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST

    We got T-Dog II and Evil T-Dog

    by MrD

    Don't forget the Guvnah's henchman. Realy really sucks that they offed the Dawg like that. OK, he wasn't given a damned thing to do until now, and his name sucks, but they kept saying they had plans for him. These were the plans? Sheeet, Merle was just about to find him and make friends. Why deprive us of that reunion?

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST

    OK , that was intense.

    by MovieManStill

    Have had a bad week, and I'm not sure that this made me feel much better. Lord.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Hollywood

    by dcut75

    Yeah I'm a sheep unlike you, yet you continue to watch every week. I think Two and a Half Men is a bad show with terrible writing, therefore I don't watch it. So again I ask; Why do you watch the show? I bet you love Two and a Half men though. Sleep tight under your Ashton Kutcher poster. You dick.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:52 p.m. CST

    GODDAMNIT! I mean, HOLY SHIT

    by D.Vader

    I didn't expect all of THAT in tonight's episode. Gotta admit, I'm a bit sad to see TDogg go.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST

    No, I think you got it right the first time DV.

    by adeceasedfan

    Goddamn indeed.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Why do you guys care about octoburn's spoilers so much?

    by D.Vader

    I'm actually disappointed and surprised at how many of you are eager to read more and more spoilers.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Best hour of TV I've seen in a while

    by Thomas

    and yes, I watch all of the ones you are going to name. By the way, you people who keep saying t-dogg has been replaced by t-dogg 2.0, I feel like someone should let you know you sound like a bunch of racists. Just because they are both black and bald doesn't mean they are the same.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST

    As for Comic Book Men...

    by D.Vader

    I put it on in the background while I'm doing other work. There is literally NOTHING that keeps me interested enough to watch the next episode. The guys aren't interesting enough and attempts to keep the show intriguing (a Fantastic Four wedding, a search for the Jersey Devil) are just sorta laughable. The only time my interest is piqued is when someone brings something genuinely cool to the shop. But otherwise, I've come close to taking it off my DVR. But its good for background noise. Disappointing.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 10:04 p.m. CST

    R.I.P. T-DAWG

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    Nice guy. Sad to see you go. RE: naggers: how can someone with your screen name be so oblivious to how black actors/characters are treated on TV?

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 10:08 p.m. CST

    d. vader

    by genesis495

    I read them because of reading the comics, I did not expect them to deviate much from those plans. They have already, but not by much so when I saw the others reacting strongly to it I wanted to check it out. I'm rather sorry I did, because it would have been great to see it unfold blindly, but hey I did so live and learn.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Nevermind, naggers; I realized:

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    Don't feed the trolls.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 10:11 p.m. CST

    crispin

    by Thomas

    Oh, I'm just causing trouble. The new guy is totally t-dogg 2.0, unless they let him have some lines or something outrageous like that.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Last two eps have renewed my faith in the WD

    by ATARI

    after the talking-going-nowhere-shite-fest that was season 2.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Goddamn indeed, adeceasedfan

    by D.Vader

    Sad to see that happen, honestly.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Comic Book Men coming up

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    Will Ming survive childbirth??

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Ah I get it now genesis

    by D.Vader

    I've been burned by spoilers so many times that I now avoid talkbacks for the most part. I'm still catching up on the comics (Book #5 right now), and I've had a few assholes spoil what happens in print (on these talkbacks) without a warning, so this is really my first time in a WD TB in a long time.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 10:18 p.m. CST

    @crispin

    by Thomas

    your face is a troll

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Surprised nobody mentioned Carl yet

    by angry kitty

    For all the crap the kid playing him gets. ( weak actor etc). Thought he did pretty well tonight. Had some pretty heavy scenes- nicely done. Kid might work out after all.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Adeceasedfan.

    by angry kitty

    I hope so. While I agree more important things were happening, I would hate to see Carol get killed, just when she started to get a personality

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Carol = alive

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    Unless there was a scene I missed or Octoburn spoiler I haven't read yet....

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST

    D.Vader. Agreed. Total Brutal.

    by adeceasedfan

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 10:35 p.m. CST

    HEY!!! Dante Hicks on COMIC BOOK MEN!

    by CRISPIN_GLOVERS_ACID_FLASHBACK

    I'm not even supposed to be here today!!

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 10:40 p.m. CST

    angry kitty

    by adeceasedfan

    Yeah, she's lost too much to simply write off. I think they're slowly building her into one of the stronger characters on the show. Someone has to hold this group together.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Oh and...

    by adeceasedfan

    Carl's been pretty solid of late. Must be the hair.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Daughter Issues (Comic Spoilers)

    by mike g

    First post here after a wild episode...definitely foresee the writers implementing more of the recent Alexandria settlement stories and conflicts from the comics into the shows version of "Woodbury"...Rick and The Governor both have daughters, as this episode confirmed (if the baby is confirmed female like the comic)... I think its pretty fair to guess that there will be a dichotomy to how Rick handles his daughter and how the Governor handles his...(a toothless zombie in comic). Overall, this was a STUNNING episode. I'm starting to see a lot more Kirkman in the show with plot twists happening at very unorthodoxed times. I was a little disappointed in the way they handled the return of the Andrew. There was not even a shot of recognition from Rick, which made it feel hokey. Definitely loving this season so far as a whole... it is clearly separating itself from the comic in terms of storyline...a very unexpected move as this Prison saga is essentially the most iconic from the comic thus far. Food for thought: Is the character of Oscar going to take on a role similar to Tyrese? His physical appearance is very similar.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 11:29 p.m. CST

    After rewatching the episode, another question comes to mind.

    by angry kitty

    How in the world were they planning to deliver that baby? Seems like they kept implying that Herschel or Carol would be able to perform the c-section, but without anesthesia or an efficient way to monitor her vitals, I cannot see how any attempt (even in less zombie filled circumstances) could result in anything other than brutal, bloody death for Lori.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Err meh gerrrd!

    by FrankGarrett

    What a great fucking episode. How the fuck are they going to keep topping themselves? I'm scared it might go downhill from here.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Well, I guess they only need one black guy on the show.

    by Chris

    prediction: Andrea hooks up with the governor.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Powerful episode - T-Dawg was totally wasted on the show though

    by FrodoFraggins

    Carl hasn't done a single annoying thing this season. I never hated Lori, but this death is better than the one in the comics.

  • Nov. 4, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Surprised they offed two characters in one episode

    by Chrisolo

    I knew this season one of the main characters would die,just didnt think two in one episode and Lori would die this early,anyway props to Walking Dead in really bringing it this season and improving everything from season two,such as gore,tension,thrills and action this show has won me back,and btw Carol is still alive but a zombie.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 12:14 a.m. CST

    The original cast is getting pretty thin ...

    by Epsilon

    Now down to six. I don't count Merle since he hasn't been around since the beginning of Season 1.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Prediction - Everyone Dies

    by tailhook

    So far, with the start of season 2 onward(season 1 was more an intro to the problem), it appears that they are following a pretty distinct formula of examining what they believe the methods of survival and civilization are that sprout up when the entirety of organized civilization breaks down. So in Season 2 you had a semi-religious based outfit with The Farmhouse. Season 3 is examining a totalatrianistic civilization with an omnipotent ruler that kills anyone, while of course instituting his own style of selective breeding(you know that shit is coming). So basically, you'll have this on out season after season with differing types of communities with the formula of meeting, finding out whats wrong with said community, that wrong leading to its demise. When the cancellation comes, everyone will die in the end, and now you know why its called The Walking Dead. Because they are, they just don't know it yet. They're just windows into this world for the viewer, and not much more. When their usefulness is up, so are they. Insert a couple more living into the survivors and keep on trucking. That said, I find the entire thing to be highly unrealistic and obviously figments of a left-wing imagination every time it comes to portraying actual human conflict. I mean, heck, by their estimation, we should have had thousands of dead in New York City once the infrastructure broke down as distrustful people went to war against each other. The fact is, the opposite tends to be true. People tend to band together in times of crisis and put petty differences behind them, especially when faced with an overall immediate threat with the walkers. Sure, there has been some fights here and there borne out of frustration over gas, but overall people have just been helping each other out. Thats humanity, not the left-wing nightmare shown on the screen. Still, I love the show, it does make for good teevee, just keep in mind thats all it is.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Possible Spoilers...

    by carlotta_valdes

    ...I've been wondering how they could work in some of the Tyrese storyline (w/o him). Since it would've been impossible to hand it to 'T-dog' given his baggage on the show thanks to the writers, 2.0 anyone?...the inmate seems primed to assume that position within the group.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 1:06 a.m. CST

    @ tailhook

    by Alientoast

    Tail, isn't what you describe basically a "left wing" way of doing things? Libertarian end of the world = "fuck society! I got my food and guns, gtfo my land! I don't need no one!". Anyways, people are civil to a point. NYC hasn't been all lovefest...there are plenty of asshole looters and robbers. Violence has also erupted at some of the gas stations. That's just as human as working together for a shared goal.

  • And I figure almost everyone, maybe everyone will be dead by the end. I guess that's why I still struggle to remember the characters names. I could remember every damn scene of LOST, but even though I've seen EVERY episode of TWD, I still always want to call Darryl "Glenn" and Andrea "Angela." I just don't give a shit about any of these characters. Only Shane and Dale were interesting to me because they kept things stirred up.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 1:17 a.m. CST

    People banding together

    by Tighxo

    I've seen FAR too many instances of shortness of supplies (hell even free products being given away at the end of expos) that resulted in selfish, frenzied insanity to believe mankind is capable of anything other than turning on and destroying itself should an apocalyptic scenario ever occur.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Tailhook

    by Epsilon

    But you have to consider that the situation you're talking about is an isolated area which expects help to be coming from the outside. In the zombie apocalypse, where there is no outside agency still standing, it might be a different story.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Not sure how I feel about tonight's episode...

    by Monroville

    I don't have "that" big a problem with "how" Lori bites the dust (seriously, how was she supposed to have that baby?), but this soon? And T-Dog dying right when they were starting to make him interesting? Also, did everyone notice how everyone is still acting like total idiots? Why is it that: (1) Everyone does not carry a melee weapon (you know, like a knife? Or anything that does not need to be reloaded?) (2) Now that they have established a living area, are they not taking tours so as to familiarize themselves with the place so as to know where to go in case of impending zombie appearances? (3) Even more specifically, the prisoner who we heard being eaten who mysteriously survived and opened the gate... how is it that when the characters saw the zombies, they didn't just turn around and go right back into the door they came out of? Why don't they have look-outs? Why did they all separate? How did the zombies get so deep into so many parts of the prison so quickly? How did Lori remain so quiet as Maggie was cutting into her? Do people really die in a few seconds after their belly is cut into? Where was the tearful goodbye between Carl and bloody, dying and in supreme pain mom Lori? Couldn't they have at least had a DAWN OF THE DEAD (1978) Roger and Peter payoff? It just felt that both the actor who played T-Dawn and the actress who played Lori wanted out, so the writers booted them out as quickly and mundanely as possible... you know, like Dale. I don't know. I still think they should have kept Lori's death for the season finale. Even so, this season is miles ahead of last season, though this episode dragged it back down for me for the return of "characters doing stupid things just so melodramatic things can happen" plot devices.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Holy Fuck...

    by Somerichs

    I mean damn...

  • Am I the only one that thinks the governor is totally wrong. I wanted the batshit crazy comic version. I think the governor episode is the weakest of the season so far. I was expecting him to enter his room last week to see his zombie daughter chained up and him going in to french kiss her. Like in the comics. (Yes its that fucked up in the comics) Hopefully the batshit insanity will be be played out to such lengths as seasons 3 - 4 progress. I also noticed no sign of the sports arena the governor uses to entertain his people. It seems like they have combined the governors arc with that of the second safe haven Rick and Co find. Hmmmm I was expecting (SPOILER) Lori's death, but at the end of either season 3 or 4 as they have to flee the prison when they bring the tanks in to destroy the prison. It seems the governor has no army like in the comic.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 1:44 a.m. CST

    They are making Micchone really lame

    by ImperialMarchFace

    She's supposed to be cold and a badass, but we also have to care about her. I know it's only been like 2 episodes, but I'm getting real sick of Micchone's constant pouting face. She's completely one-note so far. I hope they give us a reason to actually care about her.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Ding dong...

    by Truxton Spangler

    the witch is dead. But where was the dude who unleashed the mayhem hiding all this time? I guess he may have been part of the pack or prisoners in the initial discovery, but it seemed kinda convenient he'd disappear and then turn up now. I also can't quite buy the residents of Woodbury strolling around like they're in a park, and everything is hunky dory in a world overrun with zombies. They might feel safe, but they are still in effect prisoners of their own choosing. I wouldn't let my guard down, or seeming be content. But, credit where credit is due; this season has been much improved. Now waiting on Michonne to get badass.

  • This episode topped the one in Season 2 in which Sofia was revealed to be a zombie, in terms of moving away from what those familiar with the comic storylines are expecting from the TV version. I'm surprised Lori was killed off so early this season. But the producers of the show, which include Kirkman, I believe want readers of the comic to be surprised. And so they have been purposely diverting from the specific events and fates of characters from the comic book. Good for them. The TV series has to stand on its own, and work on its own merits as a TV series first, and not as a faithful adaptation. To that end, I could see Beth being expanded to take over the role and purpose that the character Andrea is like in the comic book series. Maybe she will become a sharpshooter.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 5:59 a.m. CST

    Great - now Carol has gone missing.

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    Like daughter, like mother.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Lori

    by Bill Forbes

    So we didn't see the prisoner die and all of a sudden he's not dead and running around the prison causing mayhem. Why exactly did they not show Lori's dieing, seems weird to me.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Lori Was Rehabilitated For Her Final Season

    by Graphix67

    Gone was the contrary, annoying super-bitch Lori of the 'Herschel's Farm' season that virtually everyone in the known galaxy was begging for to die. Instead, for her last episodes, she was fairly low-key emotionally, grateful for Rick's responsibility towards the group and was un-tightening the apron strings she had on Carl while acknowledging her son's maturing personality. Her death certainly didn't bring a tear to my eye but, there was a certain amount of sympathy that would NOT have been there for the character just a season ago.

  • I wasn't a fan of Lori, but babies tend to ruin a TV series since most future plots will have to revolve around them. Season 3 of SOA SUCKED because of the plot revolving around Abel. As we've seen, next week will concentrate on getting the baby formula. Next we'll have the group trying to hide but can't stop the baby from crying. Plus we'll eventually have a season start where the baby has magically aged 8 years yet everyone else looks the same. If not, the baby will just become a non issue which is just as bad.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Last night was pretty emotionally draining...

    by DellsDontBounce

    Lori DID die, what everyone is concerned about is that we didn't witness Carl putting a bullet to her brain to stop her from turning. However, considering the flashback where Rick tells Carl that everyone dies, and that there will be hard choices, I think it's pretty clear Carl did the deed. Hence, The Killer Within. Also, think about this: Carl has now killed zombie Shane AND popped his mom, so does that mean he's taken out both of his sister's parents? I have not read ANY of the comics, but I agree that this Michonne does not seem to be the person everyone was hyping her to be. And I thought I thought the quiet scene between Merle and Andrea was quite nice. They now both have the "left behind" thing in common, and it was obvious Merle has regrets about the way he's acted in the past. Overall, a stellar episode (Michonne exempted). I cannot wait to see where this is all going.

  • Nice job on S3 so far, and we're only 4 eps in.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Comic Book Men is......

    by Bob Craft

    SHIT!!! Perhaps Burton and Depp should make this their next BIG project. It fits them!!

  • The prison gang, or, the residents of Woodbury, surround their land with treadmills. Walkers/biters would never be able to penetrate such defenses.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 8:24 a.m. CST

    TWD this episode. Fucking Amazing.

    by rakesh patel

    well played walking dead team. didnt expect all that carnage t -dawg went down like a hero RIP I hope carol does actually make it some great acting from little carl there. Kudos to Andrew Lincoln, i'll admit i shed a tear there at the end. Wow. Just Wow.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 8:26 a.m. CST

    The mayhem prisoner...

    by NOBLOODNODALLAS

    Mike(Breaking Bad) would tell Rick that he chose a half-measure when only a full measure would do. Now we have 2 dead characters (including his wife) and 1 new character. Great episode.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 8:31 a.m. CST

    I'm guessing Lori isn't dead

    by Redhead_Redemption

    The kid wouldn't have the balls to shoot her and we never saw her die (that right there should indicate to anyone with a brain that her fate isn't sealed yet). Next weeks episode appears to involve rick going back to find her body, I'm betting he finds her and she's still alive but bleeding badly, He picks her up and Hershell is able to stitch her up. She'll probabaly be in a coma for the next few episodes and might eventually die and turn (mid season finale possibly?) but I'd bet money that she did not die last night

  • Rather, I'm bothered by deaths when the character is interesting, even if I don't actually like the character. T-Dog, for me, was boring. Nice guy, but he was always a Red Shirt. Dale, was not boring. Annoying. Whiny. But not boring. As such, I was more sad to see Dale go than T-Dog, since Dale added drama to the show.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Rick Reminded me of Brad Pitt in Se7en At The End.

    by Crow3711

    "Noo…ah, no, no no, no" with all that crying. All he needed to do was scream "Whats in the box, man? What's in the FUCKING BOX?!" and the impression would have been spot on. Heart breaking moment though. When he fell on the ground and just laid there, tableau of the group in shambles…cut to black. that shit is awesomely bleak. i have to give credit

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    agreed crow3711

    by Richard

    Also reminded me a bit of Tom Jane at the end of The Mist, ironically.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    In the end, the "zombie movie tradition" is that everybody dies...

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    So don't become too emotionally attached to any character on TWD. And killing off characters frequently has the added benefit of keeping costs down when it comes to hiring actors.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    @mikeygags

    by Richard

    I could see a bit of that, but i believe that Daryl is taking on most of his stuff. I really hope they do the gym scene of Tyrese from the comics. That was one of the most badass moments in the comics. Tyrese did it after his daughter died, i could see Daryl doing the same thinking Carol is dead.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Ding Dong the witch is dead!!!!!

    by twogunjames

    I've hated Lori since the show started. Partly because of the melodrama SWC pours onto every freaking word she says, but also because the character was written to be annoying. I WILL NOT miss that character. Tdawg though, I liked him a lot. He will be missed.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST

    redhead_redemption

    by Extr3m1st

    Lori is 100 percent dead..Kirkman said so in an interview. They didn't want to show her head being blown off but she is definitely dead.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Aw man, can't we just have one good day?

    by happybunni

    Haha. YAY at Lori dying! T-Dog needed to go as well, he was pretty useless. I have a feeling they wrote him out because the actor was kicking up a fuss about needing more lines (Rightfully so) Now Carl just needs to die but that probably won't happen for a long long time...

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST

    redhead_redemption

    by eric haislar

    Kirkman has confirmed it so has the actress.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 9:33 a.m. CST

    T Dawg= Token. Now they got a new

    by Hando316

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 9:33 a.m. CST

    The blonde prisoner seems to disappear randomly

    by happybunni

    They were all running around together, and then when they went into the generator room he wasn't with them... WTF. He also wasn't there when they found T-Dog. He is there at the very end though.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Lori actress

    by Extr3m1st

    She's a pretty cool chick, great interview with her on Entertainment Weekly's website. She was working in a refugee camp overseas and came back and got the phone call telling her that her character was being killed off. She states from day 1 she argued with Darabont that they had to kill her off to set Rick on his new course or something to that effect. I like the actress a lot, seems like a nice girl and I also liked her alot on Prison Break.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST

    When I say she argued with Darabont

    by Extr3m1st

    She wanted the character to die, not that she was fighting for the character to not be killed off. She thought it was necessary but they put it off because Frank didn't want to kill her off.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Why give your life for a baby, when you can have another one?

    by happybunni

    I don't understand that....

  • I mean I guess the case could be made that they were completely unprepared... They just wanted to move a couple of bodies. But still, from everything they know... Every single one of them should have a melee weapon at all times. Hell, if I was T-Dog I never would have removed that body armor either. He would have been fine.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST

    extr3m1st

    by Richard

    Sounds about right. On the talking dead there was a infographic that said SWC felt that just being pregnant was a death sentence for her. Its definately going to be weird because she doesnt die in the comics til near the last pages of the prison arc, when here shes dead 4episodes in to a (presumably) 16 episode prison arc (though some claim it may last 2 seasons). I honest to God thought that Lori dying would be the end of the first half of the season. If theyre doing this halfway there, what do they have planned for the midseason finale? Has to be the brutal crap with Michonne or woodbury rolling up to the prison. Though im not sure if they could fill 8 episodes with the battle for the prison.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST

    HappyBunni, have you ever given birth before?

    by D.Vader

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Re: Lori is still alive

    by happybunni

    No. She is not. Learn to read TV cues. They showed that flashback of Carl for a reason.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Lori is dead

    by Michael Gunn

    I know people are saying that they didn't see Carl shoot her. I think the reason for that is they don't want to show a kid shooting his mother in the head. Yes we have seen him shoot zombies, it's a lot didn't when it's his mom.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Neil Cumpston said it best "Pants.Meet.Shit."

    by Scott Baiowulf

    Another great episode. Jesus, they aren't playing around anymore. We've covered more ground in 4 episodes then we did in all of season 2. Seems like Mazzara is the right guy for the job after all. I love that Herc, who blasted Mazzara as the showrunner of awful shows like "Crash" and Hawthorne" is praising Sang Kyu Kim who wrote on almost every episode of Crash and a couple Hawthornes as well. I think both of the new writer hires have knocked it out of the park so far this season. Looking forward to the Greg Nicotero directed episode next week. Also, how long before we get the Sarah Wayne Callies joining "L.A. Noir" casting announcement?

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Baby Storyline...

    by Randy DeLaney

    Having just had a baby 5 weeks ago I can see there being about a .01% chance of that baby surviving without it's mother in the middle of a zombie apocalypse. I'm with a few other talkbackers who would've rather seen the baby element gone away somehow, perhaps Lori falling down a stairwell running from walkers? Or Lori surviving to at least provide nourishment to the baby slightly increasing the plausibility of the baby surviving. The way I see it is there are going to devote way to much of the future episodes to the constant foraging of formula, diapers, wipes, clothes, medication, and the like that will either be glossed over by poor writing, or take away from much better story lines. I do realize it is a bit ridiculous to fret over the likely survival of a baby without it's mom during a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE, I'll have to heed my own advice and not let my brain get in the way of my entertainment. On a side note, RIP T-Dog, it is a shame they can't have more than 1 black guy in the group.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST

    I'm also thinking maybe lori isn't quite dead yet...

    by zer0cool2k2

    Maybe Carl decided Zombie-mom (Mombie) would be better than no mom. The missing Carol maybe heard Lori cry out as she was trying to get back to the group, and was able to render aid, since she had been preparing to perform the C-section ( a point which Maggie reminded everyone ). Maybe Rick will find the two of them next week.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Any talk of a Lesley Sharp cameo?

    by tangcameo

    We used to get 'afterlife' here in Canada. Would love to see her as a Woodbury local for one episode. Probably as someone who warns the newcomers about Governor before she's snuffed...and aftersnuffed. I bet she'd have an amazing southern drawl.

  • I think we'll see her still kicking around for a few episodes, Maybe rick goes to find her body but it's missing? then we don't see her for 2 or 3 episodes then boom she shows up I also like the idea that that's where carol may be...helping lori recover, Perhaps we won't even see Carol for a few episodes either Do I think she will eventually die, Yes. But it'll be at the mid season finale. also Kill off that fucking baby before it ruins the show

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST

    redhead_redemption

    by eric haislar

    Dude she is dead Kirkman Confirms it. http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/11/04/walking-dead-robert-kirkman-8/ Q:I appreciate why you wouldn’t show a young kid shooting his own mother in the head. But as you didn’t, it does raise the question of whether Lori really is dead, dead, dead — in every sense of the word. A:[Laughs] I think we’ve seen enough that we know Carl would not miss from that range. Q:It is a reasonable question to ask, though. A:Yeah. I think the bad version of this show would definitely have a half-alive, half-zombie Lori living in the prison doing all sorts of nefarious things in the background. But, no, that poor child did shoot his mother and, yeah, we’re going to be dealing with that.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST

    If that baby is Shane's is Rick's is he even going to want it?

    by eric haislar

    I would not be surprised if Maggie raises it.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 10:50 a.m. CST

    not a compelling one either.

    by dahveed1972

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    otherwise a good ep, though it didnt top last week.

    by dahveed1972

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 10:57 a.m. CST

    If anything, Michonne wasn't paranoid enough!

    by Baked

    Bulletholes, no weapons fired, blood everywhere, mysteriously dead National Guard soldier, and months of living on your own dodging zombies. And the first thing you do is show your hand and all but call out the head of a militia for being a murdering bastard. There was a lot of me screaming, "STOP TALKING TO HIM, STOP TALKING TO HIM, STOP TALKING TO HIM, YOU ARE A FUCKING LAWYER AND YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER!!!!" For fuck's sake, Michonne's usually the smartest person in the comic and they've dumbed her down to an idle instigator.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST

    @octoburn, RE: the gym scene

    by hockey2112

    It sort of looks like Rick might take on that role, based on his actions in the trailer for next week's episode.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    dahveed1972 - Andrew Lincoln in 'This Life'...

    by workshed

    ...I think he's pretty compelling actor and his character of 'Egg' from This Life was one of the most memorable of the 90s (on UK tv). He was truly fantastic in last night's episode but he was topped by the kid who plays Carl.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    dahveed1972

    by Eyegore

    attention whore

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    This show does not do well with black people. Michonne and T-Dog...

    by happybunni

    Supposedly amazing characters in the comics, made absolutely stupid in the TV show. Very interesting.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    @baked

    by Richard

    Ipi agree, she seems dumbed down a bit. A person smart enough to fix up her boyfriend and his best friend to be harmlessto her and keep other walkers away from her, yet shes openly outspoken about the Gov, TO the Gov. BUT, if they plan on having the Gov rape her and her revenge, they need tohave a reason for him to do this. In the comics it was to torture her (and Glenn in the next room) into giving up information about the prison. But in the show, Michonne and Andrea dont know about the prison yet. Didnt Merle himself say that since pretty much everyone has a gun on everyone else, and that he'd be worried about someone that just strolls up to you with his hands in his pockets? Paraphrasing of course. And isnt that basically what the Gov is to Michonne and Andrea, someone who is trying to appear to not be a threat to them? And as a lawyer, im sure she has put away (and defended probably) criminals of the like. Anyways, it looks like Michonne makes a threat on the Gov next week anyways, sword and all. Could get even more interesting next week. Only four more episodes til the break! And the last episode is on my birthday! :(

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    happybunni T-Dog isn't in the comic.

    by Scott Baiowulf

    At least they game him the only heroic death of the series so far. It's a shame they delegated him to a glorified extra for the most part of two seasons. They've already given Oscar two better speeches than T has been given. Lets hope they write Oscar better and finally introduce Tyrese who is the amazing character from the comic I assume you were referring to.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Happybuni

    by Thomas

    T-Dog is not from the comics. And the jury is still out on Michonne I think, as we have only seen her for 1.5 episodes

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    happybunni

    by Richard

    TDog wasnt in the comics. Michonne will still be awesome, I am sure. Shane wasnt all that interesting in the first three episodes. Give the characters time to develop.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Darabount? we need no stinkin' Darabount! great episode :)

    by jay2517

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Now If Michonne Can Get Off her Butt...

    by Steve

    Now If Michonne can quit skulking around and glaring at the Governor and just kick some ass...we may have a show!

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Michonne is total cliche in the books as well

    by Monolith_Jones

    A character created solely to be "cool". Her characterization has gotten better in the books but when she was introduced it was like if a vampire showed up on Breaking Bad.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST

    THE KILLS

    by Mike Soiseth

    I own a handgun. It is a sub-compact glock. It is meant for close combat. It is very hard to hit an object more than 10 feet away. The characters in Walking Dead are simply the most friggin incredible group of dead eye shots that have ever existed. EVERY shot is a head shot. No misses here. Now then theres the sword action. Every swing cleaves through bone as it it were warm butter. No exceptions. I guess the swords are meant to be light sabors. Last, every bites tears through flesh with the efficiancy of a great white shark biting into a tub of yogurt. I didnt know how easy it was to tear out a chunk of flesh. In other words, love the show but fuck its hard to not just wanna call bullshit and change the channel sometimes.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    ubermanagain

    by ShutTheFuckUp

    I assume the subcompact is a .40 and your first gun because it sounds like you're a horrible shot. Get a full size 9 you can actually handle and stop talking like you're Massad Ayoob or some authority on the matter. Other than that good post. The zombie skulls on TWD seem to be made of paper mache.

  • Great episode indeed!

  • not bad at all

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Great episode. Jeez, Rick. Give your kid a hug or something.

    by Prem1x

    T-Dogg going down sucked. He was likeable. And Lori was starting to get tolerable again now that she and Rick we on the outs. TWD has made up for last season in my mind.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST

    T-Dawgs noble death

    by Hipshot

    I'd known since summer that T-Dawg was gonna die--a buddy knows the writers. but still, I was pissed that after making him a total eunuch, they have him die protecting the most precious member of society--a white female of child bearing age, to whom he could never have aspired total bullshit, a fantasy held by only one quadrant of the population (and we all know who that is), and just another version if the Green Mile Sacrificial Negro trope certain people find so appealing. Noble my ass.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    great episode

    by lv_426

    At the point after the baby was removed, I was seriously thinking it was gonna wake up as a zombie baby. Which would have been disturbing but not as awesome as the best zombie baby scene ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIbYOMU4IeY

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    lv_426

    by Bill Forbes

    I was hoping that was going to be the brain dead scene. Love it

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Axel FINALLY said "You follow me?"

    by Scott Baiowulf

    Thank you Sang Kyu Kim!

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST

    You knew T-Dog was going to die...

    by moviemenace

    once they gave him actual lines instead of his usual wandering wide-eyed in the background while every other cast member were provided proper back stories. Also, isn't this a missed opportunity on the writers behalf? Now that Merle is back, a T-Dog/Merle confrontation would have been a golden moment for fans since the beginning.

  • We had that hint of Rick the dictator at the end of last season. There was that *this is not a democracy anymore* rant Rick had at the end of the season 2 finale. Anyways, it would be an interesting way to take the character of Rick now that he's had to see his best friend turn against him, only to have kill him and now his wife dies because of a baby that is pretty much the child of his traitorous best friend Shane. Then we had the bit where Rick tries to give that one prisoner a chance and ends up with the *shit happens* machete to the head. I could easily see Rick just saying fuck it. The kind and fair leaders are weak, and they and their followers will perish while the unrelenting ones with a killer instinct are the ones to survive. Also, what happens when Rick is confronted by Merle, and most likely has to kill him? He then could loose his most valuable ally Daryl. Both Daryl and Merle are good soldiers and enforcers for their respective leaders.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Tailhook, you're confused.

    by Mostholy

    No offense, but people turning on each other when the end comes is not a left-wing scenario. It's the essence of conservatism. The whole idea of conservatism from the beginning is that human life is nasty, brutish, and short (Hobbes), that human nature is unchanging and attempts to improve it are doomed to failure (Burke), and that systems need to be designed with multiple checks to keep otherwise sketchy humans from doing terrible things to each other. (Madison) Progressives, meanwhile, believe that human nature is fundamentally decent, and that humans can and do improve themselves by applying reason to their situation (Locke, Jefferson, etc.) Progressives come up with utopias, conservatives mock them as utopian. I'm a progressive myself, but, either way, one of the founding principles of conservative thinking is that mankind cannot be trusted.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Hey folks, Jenkins here...

    by Jones Jonez

    Who would win in a fight Harry or Zombie T-dawgg?

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST

    T-Dog/Merle confrontation

    by Bass Ackwards

    Nah, the writers never defined T-Dawg enough for anyone to care. Don't know if the character was just created to be too bland for the writers to hook in, or if the show didn't have confidence in the actor, but a T-Dawg/Merle confrontation would have been a pretty non-event, given how bristling a presence Rooker managed to be in his 15 mintues of the show vs the non-existence of T-Dawg over 2.25 seasons. Oh, also this episode, holy shit. I wonder if there's ever been an adaptation that's taken so many liberties with the source material but still pleased the fans just because the liberties its taken were just done so well. I wonder if what we're seeing on the show is a writer who's actually able to look back on his original material and see the things he wished he could have done better, and then actually takes the opportunity to do so.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Hipshot, you'd rather he died protecting a white man?

    by D.Vader

    Or the young white girl (who is probably at birthing age now anyway)? Or Carl? Or the old white man?

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Is Morrissey impersonating Neeson?

    by Jer

    Guess its just that "British guy trying to sound American" thing - but I kept thinking Brian Mills was running Woodbury.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    He was already dead

    by Bass Ackwards

    So his *sacrifice* to protect the gal wasn't much of a sacrifice, since he already had a pretty gruesome bite by that point. Just saying...

  • This is the argument I've had to point out to fans of the comic book series who feel "cheated" by the WD TV series branching away from the comic.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Wow..

    by Bob

    ..I had a dream I was with the cast of hte Walking dead trying to escape somethign...that's the firsdream I had last night in a long time. That's how he episode last nightaffected me. Great show, huge applause, just love this show. Shocking episode. Love it.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST

    jim jam

    by Bass Ackwards

    You're right, must just be something about tv that makes writer's more comfortable to take liberties with the source material.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Comic Book Men

    by Bob

    Ugh...what a waste of a great idea. This show could have been something. Thank god they moved it to 11:30PM Sun. night east coast time, so most people are in bed by the time it come on. Freaking embarassment to the entire genre. Freaking hippy loser, no life wierdo with nothing to contribute to the show....ever than to sit there and take up space. Ming-tries, but is just so lame..it just looks like he's naturally.....lame...that' all I can say about him. The other two at least have some knowledge, but are just flat and boring. Hi, here are 2 transformers what are they worth? ....oh becasue I can;t freaing go on ebay and find that out in 2 minuts.... and let's throw in an actor from Clerks because this show sucks, and we need to make it fun to watch and draw people in.....so...let's....um...put another boring person from Clerks and have him do absolutely NOTHING...becasue we don't have enough of that going on in this show already. I'd scream but the show has numbed any senses I have leaft and it's going to take all week before I regain them so I can watch next weeks episode.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Liked T-Dawg, but...

    by Bob

    and they say anything before "but" is BS. Seriously, I enjoyed T-Dogs character. He just didn't seem to be going anywhere other than hanging around and killing zombies when they were around. His character wasn't needed anymore, it didn't have any purpose so why not kill him off...create the intense drama, talk, emotions that come with it...and move along. It made for great TV, a great episode, great discussion... What's not to love?

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Rather have Lori than the baby?

    by tcovil

    Hell nah. Baby could be WAY more interesting. Especially if the baby ends up being a walker, er, crawler, er, whatever. Imagine they go on a frantic search for a baby search and a few give their lives on said search. They bring it back and Baby spits it out. But someone suggests the idea that a childbearing age woman who hears the sound of a baby's cry over and over might start to lactate on her own. So they try that with...who else? Maggie. Baby latches on... and doesn't let go. With a vicious bite he takes half of Maggie's breast off. So of course, Glenn has to shoot her and the baby in the head. THAT is the episode I want to see.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Oops

    by tcovil

    Typo previously. Make that a frantic search for BABY FORMULA. I'm sure y'all figured that out.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST

    What do you think is the stories ultimate purpose?

    by Bob

    In a weird way, to me it almost seems to completely devalue human life. Anyone can die, you'll forget abou it in a week and move on. I love the show even though it goes against what I would normally believe. Seriously, it's sort of... OK we killed Dale, what's next...give me more. OK, we killed Shane... oh well now what's next.. we killed T- Dog, liked him, but so what give me more. We killed Lori...OK, can't wait until next weeks episode. Kinda sick in a way, but makes for darn good TV.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST

    TWD

    by Ender's Jeesh

    Is now just operating on a whole different level than anything else on TV. If you did not like this episode or this season so far, just go away.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST

    On Rick not being a good actor...

    by tcovil

    I would have had lukewarm agreement with you before the final scene of last night. He hit that one out of the park. Made me tear up, and I never tear up for The Walking Dead.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    @mostholy: sounds like you're confused.

    by tailhook

    The whole point of a progressive utopia is to solve the types of problems seen on The Walking Dead. THIS is why you need us to manage you.. because without us, everything falls apart into people killing each other. Conservatives have been around and the philosophy has been working since the fucking 1800's and people lived on god damn farms. I don't seem to recall people running around killing each other in droves out of mistrust and none of them had Social Security or Medicare. On the flip side, every time people have attempted to implement progressivism in its different forms on a wide scale.. its led to massive death. Just take for instance the eugenics experiments in the early 20th century that ultimately led to the Holocuast. Make no mistake, that was progressive horseshit at work. Adolf paid attention in class and gleefully took your ideas and used them as the basis for the 'master race'. The reason its doomed to fail is because you fuckers with brain damage that think that you can manage the world into a peaceful existence run smack-dab into human nature and the corruption that inevitably follows a small amount of people who comprise the leadership gaining unchecked power and the inevitable culling of undesireables that refuse to adhere to the edicts of the 'intellectual elite'. A managed society essentially based on turning the government into surrogate helicopter parents simply does not work. It never has, it never will.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Show has to have the discussion

    by Bass Ackwards

    A baby will be a liability for YEARS, it will be nothing but something the group has to risk their lives to feed and protect, and offers nothingback to the group in doing so. So...will keeping it/raising it be something thats actually worthwhile for the group to take on?

  • You heard it here first.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Da Bay-bee

    by Truxton Spangler

    Maybe zombie dingoes will eat it? Maybe someone they know will eat it! I know Lori is supposed to have had some kind of epiphany, but she should have stuck to her original stance of not bringing a child into that world. I was half expecting a zombie baby. And Lori ain't dead. She's enjoying tea with Gale Boetticher at his apartment. The Lost gang is coming over to join them. Plus, for those unawares, David Morrissey is English. Neeson is Irish.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST

    What was the rogue prisoner's agenda?

    by Bass Ackwards

    In retrospect, what was his goal? To have the prison overrun by zombies? Why?

  • THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY!

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    royston lodge

    by Tehrasha

    Funny you should site TRON as an example when talking about breaking established rules... Go back to TRON 1982... While Alan joking asks of the laser "Can it send me to Hawaii?" and Lora retorts "you gotta purchase your program 30 days in advance." They quite clearly state "the particles remain suspended in the beam" and are then reassembled when the computer model is played back. What goes in, comes back out in the same place. This rule was completely violated in Legacy by allowing Quorra to leave the grid. Where did her 'particles' come from? Left-over bits of Kevin Flynn still stuck int he beam after 20 years?

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST

    tehrasha

    by D.Vader

    I think its been said that those barrels in Flynn's office (seen behind young Flynn when he enters) are full of carbon and water- the particles needed to assemble someone into a living, breathing person.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 4:59 p.m. CST

    For those who caught Talking Dead afterwards

    by angry kitty

    The actor who plays T-dog was an incredibly nice guy. (Sorry for forgetting his name). He had this aw shucks attitude about his popularity that was just awesome to see. I also loved seeing the behind the scenes when all the actors applauded the final scene. Great stuff.

  • I had no idea Lori would go out like that, or go out at all. Holy crap. I kept thinking, Carl will go to kill her, and she'll still be alive. But... wow. Just... insane. It actually managed to top Homeland in awesomeness last night, and Homeland was really good.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 5:32 p.m. CST

    *its

    by American Mythos

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Dropped the show after the suits cut the budget last year

    by evergreen

    Still, I might torrent the series once it gets canceled.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST

    @angry kitty - His name is IronE Singleton...

    by khaos751

    ...and, yes, he spells it that way.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Close to perfect, but Michonne

    by edwizard

    Everything is perfect except for Michonne. They really need to tone down the "angry black female" thing with Michonne. It's embarrassing. I know that's how she was in the comics, but this is ridiculous.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    CARL!! CARL!!! CARL!!!!

    by Antimaster

    No more bitching and moaning about the boy, he has now put down not one but TWO main characters, so let's see who else has balled up like that in this group! PLUS . . . he effing offed his own mom! That's some COLD shit Shaft.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Not sure what everyone's beef with comic book men is

    by Redhead_Redemption

    Just watched last nights episode (I'm not staying up that late on a work night) and thought it was pretty good. The show is innocent fun and all the cast are likable, plus it's fun to see people off the street bring in old books and toys. Is it a little too scripted...of course, but what reality TV show isn't

  • He's a local actor from Atlanta, and I thought Talking Dead showed him to be a very gracious and warm fellow. Made losing TDog a little bit sadder.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Half-Baked Prediction: Carl becomes a psychopath.

    by Royston Lodge

    At some point, Rick and Carl are gonna Thunderdome.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Hey nerds. These actors have names.

    by David Duchovny

    Rick isn't really an ex-sheriff. If you want to praise his performance, use his fucking name. The producers have helped you out by running this thing called an opening title sequence right at the beginning of the show.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Thanks khaos751-

    by angry kitty

    That is funny that he spells it like that. A unique name, that's for sure.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST

    have to love the irony

    by Richard

    That Robert "IronE" Singleton graduated college with a major in Speech Communication, and probably holds the record for fewest spoken lines for a character appearing in over two seasons of a show.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Fear of an angry black woman, edwizard?

    by Baked

    I just wish she would spend less time chatting it up with people who are obviously crazy and spend more time letting Andrea know when she's fucking up. Although the whole thing screams "Black Best Friend" up in this bitch, so we're getting close to creepy tropes. I think it'd be cool if she just left Andrea's ass in Woodbury just to break the typical mold white showrunners tend to put black women into. It's okay for her to be angry, as long as she's angry for a reason. And she's definitely angry for a reason. And it's the kind of angry that's not getting other people killed (Again, fuck Shane's dead corpse.)

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Mostholy, please don't feel the biggest troll on the TBs

    by BrashHulk

    Tailhook turns every single TB into a forum for his insane, self-righteous tea party ramblings. If there was a TB for an infomercial promoting Chef Boy-Ar-Dee ravioli, he'd start droning on about how the liberal media is promoting this fascist cook from Italy, whose foreign, evil grub is stealing shelf space from the wholesome, healthy canned pasta dishes made by hard-working Americans. Tailhook is a crank and a massive whiner - and after Romney loses tomorrow, he's going to be even worse.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 11:33 p.m. CST

    that baby will have to die.

    by rakesh patel

    it will put them in constant danger, trying to find food for it and crying when zombie are around. Didn't realise they created these eps six months in advance.

  • Nov. 5, 2012, 11:51 p.m. CST

    T-Dog levelled up finally!

    by ParagonComplex

    It's cool that T-Dog finally leveled up. He's killed a lot of zombies, gained a lot of EXP points, and finally gets an upgrade. I freely admit that I cried like a baby during the episode. I was in the "kill Lori" camp too, but I never actually wanted her to die. Carl shooting her was powerful stuff.

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Paging 'SHUTTHEFUCKUP.'

    by Mike Soiseth

    The gun is a 10mm glock 29 and yes, I am a shitty shot, but you gotta admit...headshots every shot...while friggin running? No way, no how. I did talk to a ER tech tonight about the machete cutting through bone and he seemed to support that. He said youd be surprised how easy it is to cut through human bone. Hey, at least were not talking politics!

  • He's gonna die this episode, I thought. How right i was.

  • I actually skipped her scenes. I'll watch them next week to see if i missed anything plot wise, but I just couldn't give a shit about Andrea. This episode should have been 100% prison focused. What a fucking waste!

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 2:58 a.m. CST

    I thought Carol was the dead body that Rick and co came across

    by DexterMorgan

    Daryl picked up the scarf she'd had around her head and wrapped it around his hand. I thought that was obviously Carol. Did I miss something? Lots of chat here seems to indicate that she's alive still.

  • At this point, it looks like Andrea is only around so that Michonne will have a second-hand social connection to Rick's group when they meet. She's so unlike her comic book counterpart now, who is really cool. Maybe the producers came to feel over the evolution of the TV series that Laurie Holden was not up to the task to play the character like in the comic. I think we should keep an eye on Beth, because it appears they could be testing whether the actress could take on the traits of the comic book version of Andrea. (I don't remember: was Beth ever in the comic book? Comic book Herschel had so many daughters that I lost track.) At this point, I would say the surviving TV series characters who are most like their comic book counterparts are Glen, Maggie, Carl and Hershel. (Carol is a bit iffy, as her comic book counterpart struck me as bland and undefined.) Andrew Lincoln doesn't remind me of comic book Rick at all (other than the fact Lincoln doesn't resemble him), but that's okay -- the actor should be free to explore playing the character the way that works best for him and the TV series.

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 3:09 a.m. CST

    Forgot to add Michonne

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Yes they've done a good job in casting -- so far TV Michonne is a lot like comic book Michonne. Unfortunately for now, they haven't done much with her on the show after her cool introduction.

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 4:58 a.m. CST

    Awesome episode -- Lori is dead and Carol is alive

    by obidawsn

    For those of you who are still complaining about the writing, it's obvious you're just looking for things to complain about. No one is doing anything stupid this season (except maybe Andrea, but I think there's more to it). The National Guard discussion has already been hashed out last week. If you still want to complain about that, then go to last week's talkback and read. As for Rick & co. sweeping the prison, they haven't had time to do that. You act like they've been there for months, when it's probably still the same day as when they found the prisoners. They knew their area of the prison was secure so the first priority was to get rid of the dead bodies in their area. They also know that other areas of the prison have walkers in them. Why waste their ammo to make a "sweep" of the rest of the prison, when their area is secure. They already brought that up when they discussed the prisoners having their own cell block. They didn't even want to waste their ammo to clear it for them. They only did it to get the food. As for Michonne, she isn't stupid. At first, I thought she was being stupid in asking the Governor straight up about it. But then I realized she was wanting to show her hand to show her strength. She was testing him, seeing if he would snap. She wanted to see what kind of person he really was, whether he would get nervous or be cool when the questions arose. She may not trust him, but that doesn't me she's afraid of him. As for Lori and Carol. The Talking Dead pretty much proved their fates. Lori was mentioned in the "In Memoriam" but Carol wasn't. Lori's death is huge. Not just because she's a main character, but where it's going to send Carl and Rick. Carl having to shoot his own mother is going to send him spiraling to a dark place and Rick is going to lose himself. I'm not sure why Carol left behind her headwrap. She was still wearing it when we last saw her. But there seemed to be only one body there, and that had to be T-Dogg's, and the "In Memoriam" proved she was still alive.

  • As awesome as the episode was, I feel splitting it between the prison and the Governor was a mistake. Imagine a full hour of the prison for this episode, it would have been incredible. I'm sure the writers wanted to compare Andrea's "oh existential me I don't know what I want in life" cushy life at the Governor's pleasure with the hell her friends were going through in the Prison, but still... drop those scenes, focus 100% on the prison, and it would have been even better.

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 7:46 a.m. CST

    I hope Walking Deaad actors get hazard pay.

    by Royston Lodge

    Imagine auditioning for this show, knowing you could be killed off at any moment?

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 7:48 a.m. CST

    The body.

    by Royston Lodge

    If it's not Carol, and it's not a black man, who could it be? Are there other white people in the prison we don't know about?

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Chandler Riggs' parents must be the most liberal-minded on the planet

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    TWD Producer: "Mr and Mrs Riggs, in this scene your son will watch his mother get cut open and die, and then he will have to shoot her in the head. Are you ok with this?"

  • The like seven year old who still breastfeeds. Yuk.

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Sorry guys but I am convinced that body is Carol

    by DexterMorgan

    It's not T-Dogg for sure. Why would they pause over the body like they knew who it was if it is not T-Dogg? Has to be Carol. Then again, I am frequently wrong about shit.

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 9:37 a.m. CST

    My vote is the body belongs to T-dog

    by angry kitty

    They were chomping away on him pretty good so it makes sense the extreme condition of the body. I would have expected a little more emotional reaction had it been carol at least from Darryl. Seems like they've devil oped a pretty close friendship over past year.

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Spell check is not my friend today- developed a friendship

    by angry kitty

    Not devil oped. Wow iPhones suck

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Also, this is the episode that made me tear up a bit.

    by kidicarus

    I kind of hated where they took Lori in S2, but never actually wanted her to die. To think she died when she and her husband weren't on the best terms, well, that's just horrible, and also extremely good writing.

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST

    dextermorgan I don't follow you're argument?

    by Bass Ackwards

    *It's not T-Dogg for sure. Why would they pause over the body like they knew who it was if it is not T-Dogg? Has to be Carol.* Huh? The body was T-Dawg's, the scarf was Carol's, which is why they *think* they're both dead.

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    RE: carol I just don't think they'd kill a main character offscreen

    by heylookoverthere

    or cram three major deaths into one episode that's not even the mid-season finale. It may be that she's locked in a room awaiting rescue that isn't coming because they think she's dead.

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST

    The body was DEFINITELY TDog

    by D.Vader

    I can't believe there's even a debate about this.

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    monkeybrains RE: Most annoying character on TV dying

    by Rob0729

    I must have missed the scene in Boardwalk Empire where Margaret died. Damn I missed it.

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    I doubt Carol died

    by Rob0729

    The body looked to be TDog and just showing her babushka looks to be a classic swerve. Show a piece of clthing from a person next to an unrecognizable dead body to make the audience think that character is dead to only have them reappear alive at a crucial moment.

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Why We Should All Despise Andrea

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    She finds a doctor, a genuine bona fide doctor, in the Governor's town. But instead of pleading to help pregnant Lori... not a word. Instead, she helps Merle go look for his brother. What. The. Fuck?! Andrea is dead to me. DEAD!!!

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST

    hardboiled wonderland

    by robamenta

    andrea hasnt seen lori or the rest of the group in over 6 months. so why would she try to get a doctor for her. if she knew where the rest of thr group were she would go to them

  • Nov. 6, 2012, 8:03 p.m. CST

    @hardboiled RE:Andrea

    by Richard

    In her defense, she doesn't know if Lori is alive, if she's had the baby, or where the hell she is if she is alive. Noy being an Andrea-lover, but when you haven't seen someone for seven or eight months during the zombie apocalypse, when I run across a doctor the first thing I think wouldn't be: "hey, seven months ago i was in a group with a pregnant woman. Doc, wanna roam around Georgia hopingbthat we'll randomly run into her again, and there's also a very slim chance she's still pregnant, and a smaller chance that she's still alive."

  • The sooner Andrea is gone, the more I'll enjoy this show.

  • Nov. 7, 2012, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Rest in piece(s) T-Dog

    by Stalkeye

    You started out as a bumbling fuckhead only to go out as a honorable Warrior and savior. Props! As for Lori, suffice to say that her demise was long overdue. Great ep indeed.

  • Nov. 7, 2012, 6:44 a.m. CST

    hipshot, I knew you was gonna go there.

    by Stalkeye

    I am more than aware of the sacrificial Negro cliche, but in Dog's case, it was more of a theme of redemption if anything. (Citing my previous post.) The group became more like a Family as opposed to being just survivors and as a Family member, one may go that extra mile to protect a loved one even to the extent of giving up his/her life. Lori also gave her sacrifice when she asked Amanda to carve out her belly in order to deliver her Baby. In this case it's no clearly "Black and White".

  • Holy balls! WWZ looks fucking awful. Speed freak rage zombie tsunamis!

  • Nov. 7, 2012, 7:39 a.m. CST

    I actually liked Lori this season, I was a bit sorry to see her go.

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    I won't be sorry to see Andrea go. What a bitch, she helps Merle look for Daryl, but not a peep about helping her friends and telling the Governor how they could really use the town's help, especially because Lori was pregnant. If Andrea doesn't get eaten by a zombie cow and lives out the season, I am done with this show. Done! FOREVER!

  • The reshoots and rewrites have not been kind.

  • She did phenomenal work on Sons of Anarchy, and her influence is really showing in season 3 of TWD. She's a brilliant producer, really knows how to get people to get their shit together.

  • Nov. 7, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Andrew Lincoln

    by Negator76

    Sold the ever-lovin' SHIT out of Rick's reaction to Lori's death. Haven't always been that big a fan of the actor, and for the most part I think the characters in Walking Dead are something I politely overlook in order to enjoy zombie-kills, cool makeup, and post-apocalyptic survival scenarios. But I have to hand it to Lincoln: The guy single-handedly elevated this episode. Also, I like Mellow Earle, but yes Michonne is starting to grate on me. DON'T TELEGRAPH YOUR CONTEMPT AND DISTRUST OF THE PSYCHOPATH YOU'RE TALKING TO. YOU'RE NOT

  • Nov. 7, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST

    @Baked, you misunderstand

    by edwizard

    Angry black woman". It's a racial stereotype. A black woman with dreadlocks and a scowl. She may as well be throwing her fist up and talking about "the man

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 8:35 p.m. CST

    ***WEEKLY SPOILERS***

    by Richard

    The Governor's daughter appears in the teaser. Michonne steals her sword, finds the arena, kills zombies, is caught, tries to convince Andrea to leave. No dice. Merle lets Michonne go on her own. Rick goes nuts, starts killing shit. Daryl and Maggie retrieve formula. Merle participates in an arena match. Daryl names the baby "Little Ass Kicker" and puts a cherokee rose on Carol's empty grave. Rick finds Lori. Carl didnt get the job done. He shoots her in the head and stabs her in the stomach. A phone rings. CLIFFHANGER

  • Nov. 8, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    a kind-of-non-spoiler

    by Richard

    We won't find out about Carol until episode 6.