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Enter The Governor!! Herc’s WALKING DEAD Talkback!!
Last week Bad Facial Hair took out Big Tiny -- and Rick’s machete took out Bad Facial Hair. Also, Hershel didn’t turn into a zombie and somebody was watching Carol as she practiced her caesarian sections.
Tonight’s installment, scripted by “Rescue Me” vet Evan Reilly, introduces The Governor and brings back Andrea, Michonne and self-amputating racist Merle Dixon. It makes me wonder if we’ll see Rick, Lori and Team Prison at all tonight.
AMC says of tonight’s “Walk With Me”:
After witnessing an accident, Andrea and Michonne are introduced to a new community of survivors. As conflicts arise with their new acquaintances, a decision must be made.
9 p.m. Sunday. AMC.
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Oct. 28, 2012, 2:17 a.m. CST
Hopefully they stick close to the comics with this subplot
by evil__ash
The eventual payoff was a thing of beauty.
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Let this not disappoint. The show has been steadily improving, and this arc was unbelievably brutal in the comics.
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Oct. 28, 2012, 3:26 a.m. CST
David Morissey's too Clean Cut to play the comic-book version of The Governor.
by Meta
If Merle is back, I have a funny feeling that somewhere in this season we have Merle killing Morissey's character to become "The Governor" we all know and love.
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... I always assumed he was a Spainyard or maybe a Mexican. Feh, doesn't have to be in the show, I'm just saying that I pictured someone completely different than Morrissey.
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Spainiard. What a stupid word.
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Herc, how come you don't write reviews anymore the way you used to when Buffy was on...you know...back then you actually rated the episodes and actually gave us spoilers and talked about the show? I know you are probably busier now than you were during the Buffy days, and I'm glad Walking Dead gets its own dedicated posts, but if this show is worth dedicating solo posts to if its up there on the level with Buffy, why don't you write more and tell us what you thought? Sorry if this topic has been brought up in the past, I have been reading this site for the last 13 years, but this is the first time I've ever started posting anything in talkback.
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if he did that, they'd stop sending him his precious preview copies.
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THAT'S why the governor on the show looks nothing like the governor in the comics. Some things can be drawn in a cartoon or a comic and looks cool, but in real life. . . it's ridiculous. Imagine Hawkeye in the Avengers wearing bright purple with a mask with two little horns. . . that would have ruined the whole movie. I am so glad that the governor looks normal.
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Whether it was intentional or not, the comic Gov. was nearly the spitting image of Tom. I know Tom campaigned hard for the role but, I guess they wanted a more accomplished actor and not just a look-a-like.
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Oct. 28, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST
They don't have the balls (no pun intended) to do what they did in the comic with this subplot.
by gk1
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I think we will know after this episode if the show has really found it's feet or if the first two eps of the season were an aberration. Sounds like more dialogue and less zombie carnage
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Oct. 28, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST
do you guys realize who Evan Reilly was whenever he ACTED in "Rescue Me"?
by TheSeeker7
He was the guy every so often at an AA meeting who would get pissed at Tommy for wearing his sunglasses inside. hilarious stuff.
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0 for 2 so far pally, care to try again? Spaniard (Spanish: los españoles)
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Oct. 28, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST
This season is amazing, BUT DON'T MESS UP THE GOVENOR DAMNIT!
by sonnyfern
But the prisoner last episode should've played the governor. Dude was a dead ringer. I don't know how this is going to go...I want the governors daughter in there...I want the TV's...I want the torture. I hope they don't blow it.
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Oct. 28, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST
This season is amazing, BUT DON'T MESS UP THE GOVENOR DAMNIT!
by sonnyfern
But the prisoner last episode should've played the governor. Dude was a dead ringer. I don't know how this is going to go...I want the governors daughter in there...I want the TV's...I want the torture. I hope they don't blow it.
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hope it's someone surprising and not just someone from the Governor's crew
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Oct. 28, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST
Hope this fookin hurricane doesn't cause a power outage tonite
by Steve Giunta
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Channel 131 for those who don't know. Will finally be able to catch up on the new season.
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Oct. 28, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST
I wished they picked Capt.Rhodes from DAY OF THE DEAD, but I can understand why they went with Morrisey
by Monroville
They wanted to pick someone who you would never expect to do the things the Governor does in the comics. While Savini or someone like Joe Pilato (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0683334/) "look" the part (and their acting could have been quite good, depending on the director's involvement), the problem is that they look evil... so when the bad stuff happens, it's no surprise... but imagine the uneducated public's response when they show the Governor sitting in front of his entertainment aquarium (heh, heh). I see them building the Governor up as an alternate version/ mirror image of Rick (and, come to think of it, he kind of looks like Rick) and he will be used to show what Rick could turn into, especially considering the recent cold blooded things that Rick has already done. It will be even more interesting if they give the Governor a wife and/or a kid or two of his own (to further the mirror to Rick).
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I have a feeling it's Merle... As well as the potential that, if Rick loses his hand (be it right or left) it will be Merle that takes it.
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"Don't shoot him...we need his ass." something about that line delivery always cracks me up. Movie's underrated though. So will they be showing the prison at all tonight or is it all woodbury stuff?
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Oct. 28, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST
Is this show any good now? First series was boring as hell..
by paul cook
It was, typical boring US TV concept...Might take a look if David Morrisey is in it though.
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But that may just be the way Romero wanted it. I'm just saying that Pilato had the look for the character, and given proper direction could have played a more subtle and/or sympathetic character... or just simply "do the governor as it is in the comic". I'm also saying that I'm warming up to Morrisey playing the character, as I can see what they may be setting up.
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Seems to have both qualities.
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Can't see that happening to the main star of a show that AMC no doubt hope has 3 or 4 seasons left to it. What I think is FAR more likely that Lori will not make it past the end of this season. In other news, we will not see a vicious rape and torture of Michonne. My guess is that there will be some sex for the Governor, but that it will be Lori - and most likely she will polish the Governors helmet in return for leniency for Rick - who will find this fact out in a dramatic moment later on in the series. That would be my guess.
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The governor doesn't wear a helmet. . . oh.
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shows how intensely boring this show is. I don't understand the love. Oh well, at least you guys like it.
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Walking Deadback sounds stupid.
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http://goo.gl/HS6jn
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Oct. 28, 2012, 8:40 p.m. CST
Breaking Bad is boring. The last episode didn't even have one zomibe attack.
by WerePlatypus
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One of the best yet.
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Oct. 28, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST
Was a different kinda episode, but the writing this season is seriously better.
by Randy
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Oct. 28, 2012, 9:19 p.m. CST
I wish they hadn't spoiled the Merle thing in the previews / previously on
by heylookoverthere
That would have been an amazing moment if we didn't all see it coming.
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But in the meantime, I have to say I was pleasantly surprised by last weeks entry. Just as they were moving in on the new cellblock, I was saying "FUCK OFF. No way, I would pop those guys in the back of the head - boom, dead. No way would I have them running around, they are totally going to fuck you the first chance they get Rick you weak fuck". And lo and behold, Rick redeemed himself, just as he did last season when he took out those two fellas. That scene alone regrew Ricks balls - the same balls that get inevitably slowly chewed off by Lori every few episodes. and that's the biggest problem with her character - sure, she's pregnant. I get it. But does she have to be so fucking useless? I mean, there's a ZOMBIE FUCKING APOCALYPSE going on. Don't chew this guys ass off when he's giving up everything he holds dear to keep you and the rest of the bullshit group safe. If you want to bawl someone out, go for T Dog, who's done precisely FUCK ALL for three seasons.
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Great episode. Not an "action" episode, liie the last two, but contained alot of setup and also several explainations for non comic readers. And yes, "different" is the best description of this episode. Similar in tone to the CDC episode. I hated the idea that they may not visit the prison for this whole episode, but i turned out liking it. (Although im still intrigued by who or what was watching Carol as well as why the next episode is called "killer inside" i feel theres a connection) and i think it served as a great juxtaposition of the outside world versus whats going on in Woodbury. Im curious as to if they will use two points about the governor from the comics*****spoilers***** that Woodbury hosts fights of living versus walkers for "entertainment" as well as that Blake has a zombified daughter whom he feeds parts of his victims to. Morrisey reminds me a bit of Liam Neeson. Which is why i like it. Neeson made a great Ras because he was a convincing father figure. It humanized him as well as making his atrocities all the worse. I cant wait for two points and how they may play out. First, Merle and Daryl reunion. Especially since Daryl is Ricks right hand man now and Carol may be gone by that point. And when Andrea finds out Shane is dead and that Rick killed him. Handled properly, these could be two of the more powerful moments of the series.
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I figure if they were going to do the Governor's "daughter" that would have been the payoff at the end of this episode, especially after showing the picture. I doubt they'll do two secret locked rooms with a disturbing reveal.
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I would think the next episode could be entitled "Killer Inside" because of the potential (I SAID SPOILERS, DAMMIT) plot point of one of the inmates of the prison being a serial killer. The preview for next week didn't really set that up, but it's a definite possibility.
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Oct. 28, 2012, 10:18 p.m. CST
The guy playing the mad doctor is laying it on pretty thick. not diggin it.
by dahveed1972
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Fact.
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Unnecessary.
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Would be great.
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This season has definitely been better than the last so far. I can't wait to see how this comes to head, the Governor and Rick. www.nonipplesonthesuit.com
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There's a seriousness behind the character even though he has a kind face and is a gentle talker. I'm glad they didn't go the mustache-twirling route with the Governor. Also shows that they are finally putting money back into the show from the good ratings after the cheapness of last year. I imagine Morrissey didn't come cheap. Maybe we will get Lennie James back soon!
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Oct. 28, 2012, 11:54 p.m. CST
Why the fuck did he keep moving the tea pitcher during breakfast?
by billcom6
Is that a plot point? Dude kept moving it around the whole damn scene.
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Didn't think that focusing on andrea and Michonne for a ep would be engaging but yeah that ep worked really well. The reintroduction of merle there should have probably been kept as a surprise but good to see him again upgraded with a wolverine 1 claw version. Only weak character was the doctor Mengele there. invite him to breakkie at your peril, he asks the most fucking awkward questions without figuring out if you're actually comfortable answering them. We actually had some useful conversation Exposition with Dr and the Guv in their lab, covering some conversation we had in last weeks talkback about how long they would last without food and that Michonne walkers provided to them some camouflage from other walkers. Pity Michonne isn't as talkative but her stares say quite a fucking lot! Her reluctance to join the community i guess seems quite irrational on the face of it after 8 months running, but it actually makes her more likable. She can see through bullshit. Andrea although isn't a full convert ( as yet) she's also holding a healthy bout of skepticism. Both David Morrissey & Danai Gurira are great additions to the cast. I'm glad we didnt have a whole load of the illusion of this place as paradise. The Guv ambushing the military knocked that on the head pretty quickly. But yeah that needs to be discussed as well. Helicopter! The Army still functions! Great Ep.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 2:45 a.m. CST
Nichole Beattie has improved TWD's writing immensely
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Every episode of Sons of Anarchy she wrote moved along at a cracking pace, and her skill's really showing with season 3 of TWD. Although season 2 was pretty bad, so there was plenty of room for improvement! ;)
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Was i the only one hoping to see his toothless daughter in the headroom?
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Oct. 29, 2012, 3:09 a.m. CST
I've never seen a show with this kind of quality turn-around.
by American Mythos
After a shitty season two, the show has had three good episodes in a row, this one being the surprisingly best yet. I loved how each member of Rick's crew has a bizarro counterpart in the Governor's crew. Fory Daryl there's Merle. For Rick there's the Governor. For Glenn they had their own asian guy. For T-Dawg there's the big black guy with the bow and arrow. Sure, it was a little funny at first, but I found myself wanting to see these two crews go at it. Hard. I hope that's what the season builds to, or maybe over a couple seasons, like Breaking Bad did with the Gus Fring arc. If only Heroes had been able to turn it around after their own shitty season 2, we might still be having Monday talkbacks dedicated to it.
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But chris hardwick is really good at ruining moments of the show that should have some emotional weight. keep his fuckin face off the screen until after the show's over please.
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He wasnt moving it around randomly. You actually fill the cups up from the bottom of the container. So you place it over the cup and the tea or coffee comes out of the bottom. Now it seemed a bit shifty how the scene was set up and them passively forcing them to drink it. so who knows on that point.
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she's stickable. How about 3 way with Covarrubias who is looking a bit harsh now. Oh and the episode was alright.
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The "thou shalt not kill humans" shtick that the group tried to live by early in the comic run is obviously out the window now that Rick's killed a whole bunch of unturned folks. But if that nerdy redneck dude's the serial killer from the comic...he eventually kills the blond from the farm as she's all but useless. Were those baddies at the bar last season from Woodbury? OK, does the Guv JUST have the aquarium heads (wasn't there another storyline with heads in the comics? I can't remember-they're all starting to blend together anymore) or is that lil lass from the photo in another room? Does the group get the generators going again to set those sirens off? Does the redneck use that distraction to kill?
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The soldier massacre was amazing. "Yeah, your friend is with us. So you know, relax, everything will be fine, don't mind the massive amount of bullets aimed for your fucking heads!" Awesome.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 8:15 a.m. CST
Wow, finally an episode of TWD that was just PLAIN BORING.
by 11ZOMBIES
At least most of the time the show is amusing, like the hilarious episode last week. This one was just painfully slow and uninteresting.
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Mindless zombies are the only one's left still voting for Obama
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Why didn't they have the govern's daughter in the secret room? That would have been a better payoff than the wall of heads. They will keep the blond from the farm around because she will replace Sophia's role from the comics. Just as Hershel has replaced Dale. The black guy Rick met in episode one is the person watching Carol's c-section practice. Rick will not lose his hand. Kirkman has said he regretted doing that to the character several times. Lori Grimes will be around for a long long time. Haters gonna hate!
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Oct. 29, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST
Herschel didn't replace Dale, he made it off the farm in the comics
by sunwukong86
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I agree about the governors daughter. Hopefully she will still be included at some point. I thought the same thing about who is watching Carol. But why would he leave the safety of the prison fences to spy on them, risking getting bit? Doesnt make alot of sense to me. The original reason i thought this was Rick actually told them about the place where they cut the fence to get in. And i agree about Beth. Said it after the first episode, they wont get rid of her, IMO. @subwukong he doesnt mean he replaced him in the group, Hershel is taking on some aspects in the show that were aspects of Dale in the comic.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST
@octoburn--I think drew7526 means Episode 1 of Season one. The guy and the kid whom Rick gave a walkie talkie too.
by art123guy
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That wow is twofold. First, the Governor is awesome. Seeing the way he manages his people already had me thinking that Rick is in for a world of hurt when their groups paths collide. Then they showed the heads, and now I have hope that all of the crazy shit that people say went down in the comics might actually find it's way onto the show. At least some of it. Second, and I don't want to be a hater, but Andrea has officially taken over from Lori Grimes as the most annoying character on the show. Her entire purpose seems to be to make the wrong choice, no matter what the circumstance. Whether it's getting involved with an increasingly unstable Shane, or making googly eyes at the Governor while he and the doc exchange shifty glances, and the woman responsible for her being alive clearly wants nothing more that to GTFO. Dale should have just let her go up with the CDC. Either that, or Michonne could have put her down with the rest of her pets/baggage.
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Kevin Nealon and Liam Neeson
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I honestly can't stand it anymore. I love the comics, they're amazing. But this show doesn't live up to it at all
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Oct. 29, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST
If they stick to the comic plotline, this season is going to be amazing. (Possible spoilers below)
by RedJester
Of course we all know that isn't going to happen however as they clearly want to keep this (to some degree) a family show. This means the serial killer sequences are out, the truth of what's become of the Governor's family is out, Michone's gruesome rape sequence is out, Rick's prolonged torture and the losing of his hand are out, Michone's payback to the Governor and the way his followers dispose of his corpse are out. I could go on. I hope I'm wrong though.
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Carl gunning down that sick lil psycho while the adults had their heads up their a**.. Sadly the entire plot line is gone now.. To me was the single mist important moment to the entire character.
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From what i have been reading this arc will encompass seasons 3 and 4..
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but it is still better than 90% of the Jersey Shore shit on TV these days. My guess is the person peeping on Carol last week was Morgan and his son Duane from season one.
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I hope that is true, but I worry that all the bitching about the whole season on the farm will scare them off a prolonged stay at the prison
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Saw the ending and wtf this guy is off his rocker! i seen some sick shit in my time but wtf???
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I think we are likely to see the gladiator style fights in woodbury. I imagine the serial killer arc will be dropped, unless whoever is spying on carol is to be fodder for the killer. No chance of zombie daughter incest filthiness. Way too much for regular cable tv. Wouldnt be shocked to see michonne tortured, possibly even raped, as dark as that is. Who knows though. Then again, if they go a whole different direction from the comics, I will be fine with that too. Seems like they have righted their ship, and I'm happy with that
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Aha. Gotcha. Thought he meant Oscar, the prisoner. Morgan and Duane... it's a good sentimentality, but... it seems a bit contrived, if true. I could buy Rick finding his family near Atlanta, because they went there, that is the reason he went to Atlanta. Andrea and Michonne being found my Merle... okay. But then you factor in that Andrea and Michonne have no idea where the group is, and that they will (presumably) find them there. But add in two people (who Rick happens to know) who also come from Kentucky who stumble upon the group at a prison, and it seems a bit contrived. Even thoughMorgan knew Rick was going to atlanta, what are the chances he'd stumble across them at a random prison that's not in atlanta? Especially since they've aparrently dropped the part about Rick using the radio every day at dawn. (He hasnt used it sincethe opening scene of season 2, when they left atlanta) Wish they that
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Wish they hadn't dropped that aspect of the show, Rick using the radio every morning. If it is indeed Morgan, i think it willbe a case of too many people who happen to know each othwr coincidentally finding each other. It would be good to see them on the show again, contrivances aside.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST
@octburn & art123guy. Yes I meant the guy and kid from Season 1 episode 1.
by Drew
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Oct. 29, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST
SPOILERY- I'm digging Morrisey, though he will never look like Major Bludd like the Gov did
by Humie Bubbie
I doubt there'll be the rapes or the Governor's daughter, though that photo of a daughter and wife on the mantle seemed promising. Morrisey is playing the Governor in an interesting way, and this scientist character is great. I wonder why they worked in the herd thing so early on, and that scientist and his experiments made me think they're moving toward the whole slow wasting death of the zombies thing. I guess that this will be a two season arc means that we can still see Rick get his hand lopped off sometime into the future. Seems like good season finale material. Rick losing his hand is as integral a moment as Carl killing Billy, which I'm sure they'll do somehow along the line.
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I'm hoping it's new characters, perhaps Tyrese, his daughter and boyfriend? Although, I'm wondering how they will introduce the Prison Crew to Woodbury. *comic spoiler below* IIRC, Rick and Glen's riot gear gave away the fact that they found a prison. Then, Glen gave up the location during Michonne's torture. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I can't see how they will follow through with those awesome storylines you described... This all seems so watered down... Sadly I kind of wish they would just disconnect from the comic altogether so we aren't left with this perpetual feeling of being cheated... I might be able to enjoy it a little if they weren't paint by numbers versions of the truly badass characters from the books. Just live in the world of TWD and leave the books be. Too late.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST
This show has left a filthy, permanent taint on its supporters...
by altoandando
...that will likely haunt them to their dying day. No, this season isn't any "better" just because zombies can now be cut into like butter.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST
Is the big black guy on the Governor's Crew going to be Tyrese?
by DarthRazor
Anyone else think this could wind up being Tyrese?
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Does Whedon think he's funny? I guess that's what happens when you have too many people telling you how awesome you are.
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For a moment, I thought the guy following them around Woodbury was the boxing coach actor from The Wire, who some on other forums suggested would make a good Tyrese. They'd have to really change Tyrese's character a lot to make him willing to go along with The Governor and mass-murder. Tyrese was never really that dark, which is really the only thing that separated him from Abraham as a character. And his loyalty to Rick was something that was earned through respect until the prison fight. I can't imagine him being a Woodbury guy.
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The show is gonna truly deviate from the comics. so nothing will be exactly the same. think alternate universe... I havent eread the comics. shit glenn might just not die. he's a fan favorite so is daryl...
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...is that the show has to end after 5 of 6 seasons. The comic doesn't need to. I think we'll see them deviate from the comic a lot in order to have a satisfying wrap up. Though I sort of also hope Kirkman has an endgame in place for the entire series. Rick has to die at some point, especially after all the crazy stuff he's been doing.
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Oct. 29, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST
The Governor is a little too cartoonishly evil for my tastes.
by Royston Lodge
I was looking forward to watching opposing camps of basically decent survivors butt heads. Having one side led by a unambiguously psycho villain is a little too pat.
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could it be the cannibals that ate dale in the book but this time they eat hershal since he was the one bit ......but everybodys infected anyway so hmmmmmmmm
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Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but in the comic did they ever figure out the copter's source?
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No, when Rick, Glen, and Michonne arrived at the choppa crash site, the occupants were already gone (the group saw many footprints around the choppa...leading them to believe they had been taken away). They went in search of them, and ended up in Woodbury, however IIRC, the origin, or destination of the choppa, was never revealed. Again, correct me if I'm wrong (the details were many issues ago, and I don't feel like researching).
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*spoilers* I was thinking, while watching this last epsiode, that the Govenor was going to use them as the "gladiators", or at least use the Pilot. Now, I wonder if we'll see this at all. If so, who are the gladiators? Also, I'm holding out hope to see the toothless daughter...minus the incest part.
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I thought the same thing when i saw him approach the soldiers. If they were going to use the gladiator thing from the comics, that would have been the perfect way to do it.
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Right format. Wrong name. Try again, with more originality... ~psst~ This guy alreay has an established loser handle on this site. Make your own style when you troll. fuct???
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I realize the governor in the comics was more Danny Trejo than Morrissey, but it came off well on screen. I think it's very subtle that brash and stubborn Merle is subserviant to the Gov. I'll be interested to see where they take this incarnation of the Walking Dead story. The pacing this season is a lot better than the first two. Plus Woodbury gives the potential for the showhelms to introduce some characters that aren't totally ireedemable. Thumbs up so far...can't wait to see where it goes.
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Oct. 30, 2012, 4:06 a.m. CST
the Governor with the zombie head TV had a more melancholy vibe than it did in the comic panel
by Al
It still had the "woah, this guy is fucked up" vibe that it did in the comic, but there was a hint of sadness to it. And also crazy. Never forget the crazy. They kept him pretty close, he's just better at hiding the crazy on the TV show.
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I didn't read the graphic novel the series is based on - but in the original are Andrea & Michonne lovers? In the show - they seem to be hinting that they're involved. In the previous episode, when Andrea is sick and Michonne is looking out for her - Michonne seems really, really protective - suggesting they'd become incredibly close over the past 6 months. In this episode I noticed that as they're walking through the forest Michonne, touched Andrea alot. The same way I might interact with a girlfriend. Finally not only does Michonne mistrust the Governor - she seems jealous that Andrea is so taken with him and that community. Is there an erotic subtext to their relationship or is it just my filthy imagination?
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Killed by a bunch of "self-trained" civies hiding in the bushes from a distance. And the Governor survived. I am full of disbelief.
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No they weren't lovers in the comic (Andrea was actually shacking up with Dale in the comic, and Michonne was with Tyrese, a character not on the show). But they were never paired up in the comic the way they are now either (Michonne came across the group through Otis and never had any relevant interactions with Andrea that I can remember in the comic), so who knows what the show is going to do.
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But I'm wondering if anyone else picked up on the subtext to their interaction, or whether I just have an overactive imagination.
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At least this reality's Andrea. It's a bit sad that she's so much of a hardass. The beauty of her in the comic is that she retained her innocence even when she became the second most reliable killer to Michonne. But in the TV reality, she ditched Dale for Shane. It's weird to love a character so much in the comic and dislike her so much in the show. Well I guess Lori falls into that boat too.
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But its a close thing between this and Homeland. Homeland is THE most gripping drama on tv right now.
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Oct. 30, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST
RE: Worst military squad ever. Did they even get a shot off?
by ChicagoRonin
You are aware of a little thing called the Vietnam War, right, where self-trained guerrillas often got the drop on better-trained, better-armed US troops? Soldiers are human, they make mistakes. And remembered, these guys had just suffered some pretty bad setbacks and were probably demoralized and still regrouping.
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Oct. 30, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST
I'm liking where the series is going. *WARNING: Book and Show Spoilers*
by Sithtastic
Although I do still pine for some part from the comic series, the show remains its own animal and I am impressed. While the Governor is completely different in his public attitude from the comics, I like the choice they're making there. Kudos to whoever said Andrea is fast becoming the most annoying character on the show. First, Shane, then shooting Daryl for reasons that yet escape me, now...flirting with the Governor? In earnest? I suppose though she might use this later when she realizes she can link up with the original group once more (provided the showrunners elected not to make her embittered b/c the group had to leave her behind to fend for herself in Season 2). The other thing that took me out of it was the ambush of apparently the most unprepared national guard unit ever. I wanted some kind of conflict, not a massacre. Other than that, this was one of the best episodes of the show and I am looking forward to the inevitable confrontation between Rick's group and Woodbury.
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Oct. 30, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST
My question is where will Darryl's loyalty lie when the two groups eventually meet up.
by kindofabigdeal
Assuming both are still alive. Would be TV's greatest missed oppurtunitie's if they don't.
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Nobody else seems to mention this, but there seemed to be a subtle focus, not only on the tea that the scientist kept pouring, but on the fact that Andrea drank it and Michonne did not. Did anyone else pick up on this? I was also basing Andrea's complete change in personality on this. In her subsequent conversation with Michonne in the street, she seems completely laid back and relaxed, and as others have mentioned, she becomes flirtatious with The Governor later on. To me, this all went back to her drinking the tea.
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Without first humanizing her, and allowing her to own her sexuality with her relationship with Tyrese, abusing her in that fashion would be vile.
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After all, when he was hallucinating it was with Merle taunting him and abusing him like he had his whole life. But you never know with squirrel-eating rednecks. They love their family.
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I keep witing for Rick and the crew to get into trouble, then all of a sudden a walkie talkie goes off and the black guy from Season 1 shows up and saves the day. I can see an episode ending with the walkie talkie going off. Hadn;t paid attention if Rick still has it, but if not, there have to be plenty in the prison. ???
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There HAS to be something with the tea. The Gov mentioned it also in the lab can;t remember exactly...something along the lines like I keep coming back for _____ ....and your tea. I only read the first few vol. of the comics...stopped around the prison, so I have no idea whats happening from this point on. Also, I hadn't watched much TV, and surprisingly missed the previews, so I was pleasantly surprised when Merle showed up!
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I didn't think season 2 was as bad as some have posted here, but I agree it was a little slow (especially if you read the comics, know a lot of whats going on) however, I got the feeling as the show moved along, they couldn't quite get the timing right introducing the prison and Woodbury. Personally, I would have liked to seen a few plot points sped up where season 2 would have ended in the prison (maybe the last 2 episodes of season 2 were the first 2 of season 3), and season 3 would have began with the chopper crash and introducing the Gov and Woodbury. Would have made the timing better, and hope the rest of the season doesn't get "rushed along". Just my 2 cents.
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Yeah, i could see that happening. As of one of the last episodes of season 2, i saw him with it on the back of Ricks belt. And you make a good point about the prison. Im sure theyd have plenty of radios available, but keeping batteries charged would be a problem until they get the generator turned on. Although i still feel like it would feel contrived if the turns it on for the first time in nearly a year, and all of the sudden, "hey look Morgan showed up!" When the show spent no time since last years first episode establishing that Rick continues to attempt contacting Morgan. He used it almost every episode in the first season, yet only once in the 13 episode season 2. I just pray theyll set it up well rather than forcing it in like i described above.
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Anyone notice how the Gov's army never ever shoots or stabs anyone in the head as well as the tubes running from the heads in the Gov's headroom to that giant tank? Perhaps he's making some zombie tea lol... Or it's just a nerve calmer to keep everyone in his town in line. Notice how Andrea and Michonne initially both wanted to leave, but after Andrea drank the tea and Michonne refused only Michonne had any desire to leave? Curious and curiouser... ----------------------------------------- Regarding the Michonne rape scene. You're right, it would be vile, but it would also add some semblance of realism, dark subject matter that the show desperately needs. Anyway if not that scene, something else just as messed up is desperately needed. This show (as much as I love it) is about as PG as a show about zombies can be while still showing lots of gore. Apparently messed up things happening to zombies is acceptable in this world, but messed up things happening to people is a line the writers just won't cross.
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Messed up things dont happen to people in the show? Merle cuts his own hand off with a saw. Andres sister dies and Andrea shoots her, herself. Jacqui decides to die rather than live in the ZA. Carl gets shot in the gut. Carols daughter goes missing, and after a long time looking for her, they find her zombified in the barn. And she also has to witness Rick doing what has to be done, by shooting Sophia, while everyone, including the man who is the self proclaimed "better protector" for the group, stares at Sophia like a bunch of slack-jawed yokels. Rick has to stab his best friend in the chest. Hershel loses half his family.
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Oh and Hershel lost his leg. I understand what you mean, that these things are a step down from the brutal rape and torture Gov dishes out in the comic, but to say nothing bad happens to people is a bit harsh, imo.
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Nov. 1, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST
I think it's better that the black dude from season 1 never shows up.
by Royston Lodge
It's realistic that in this fucked up universe people often never know the fate of those they come across. In a sense, it's creepier not knowing. When the acquaintance (or loved one) shows up as a zombie, it almost provides closure. Personally, I don't think we ever should have found out what happened to Sophia. It's far more stressful (especially for the parent) when you simply don't know what happened. Look at how Carol has stepped up and become a bad-ass since she found out her daughter was a zombie. If Sophia had remained merely 'missing', Carol would still be a mess.
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Nov. 1, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST
spoiler bulletpoints!!!!!!! seriously, don't read if you dan't want to know!!!!!
by Richard
Final chance to walk away.... The person watching Carol, and the person who opens the prison, setsoff the alarm, is Andrew, the prisoner Rick pushed out in ep 2. TDogg gets bit. So much for the BS that he's got a bigger role this season. Merle asks Gov if he can go looking for Daryl. Lori goes into labor. She dies. Carl puts her down. Oscar shoots Andrew, showing his loyalty to Rick. Rick returns to the cellblock, sees carnage, goes nuts. And, scene.
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I just have to say.. IF they go that route with Lori and Carl.. well it does adjust one problem, then not having the psycho twins from the comic to show just how HARD Carl is becoming.. but.. If you take out how she went in the comics, it totally changes the Gov. When Lori is killed in the comics.. its a total WTF!??? And you absolutely HATE The Governor for it, as did his own people at that point. So if you take that out.. I just don't see it. I think that is one element they should keep in as it was, more or less, from the comics. Although, not sure .. I think Carl may have to kill his new little girlfriend by the end of the season.. which wouldn't have as much impact granted.
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