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Now Matthew Vaughn Is Out Of X-MEN: DAYS OF FUTURE PAST, Too!!

The Kidd here...

What is going on lately? First Rupert Wyatt is out of the APES sequel. Then earlier today Ryan Gosling is out of LOGAN'S RUN. And now you're telling me that Matthew Vaughn is out of X-MEN: DAYS OF FUTURE PAST? What the fuck...?!

According to Deadline, Vaughn has decided not to return to the director's chair for the X-MEN: FIRST CLASS follow-up, opting instead to do an adaptation of the Mark Millar comic series SECRET SERVICE for Fox while staying on-board as a producer for DOFP. 

As for the frontrunner for who would replace him to make the sequel, Fox is looking at... surprise surprise... Bryan Singer, who initially was supposed to direct FIRST CLASS but chose to produce INSTEAD, opening the opportunity for Vaughn, while Singer went off to helm JACK THE GIANT KILLER. So now Vaughn would be selecting to produce an X-MEN movie only, in order to direct something else, allowing Singer to get back into the X-MEN game.

And it all comes full circle.

At least we'd be getting someone who knows their way around the X-MEN Universe, and who better than the director responsible for what is widely considered the best of the X-MEN franchise (X2)?


-Billy Donnelly

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  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST


    by Ali Kerim Bey

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Matthew Vaugn seems to be too picky

    by Redhead_Redemption

    he's always backing out of director jobs, I hear he's a bit of a drama queen Glad singer may return, I hope he does because after getting the series back on track the last thing we need is some music video director to take the reigns and drive it back into the ground

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST


    by Ray Tchoulakian

    Well I guess if Vaughn wouldn't be back to direct another X film, the best option would be to go with Singer again. Of course, the article doesn't even mention that Singer was supposed to direct X3 originally, and then Matthew Vaughn was brought on to direct once Singer backed out to do Superman Returns. Once Vaughn realized the rushed production schedule Fox had in mind, he quit the project too. So they brought on Brett Ratner and we got stuck with The Last Stand. Hopefully Days of Future Past won't leave us with such a rotten taste in our mouths the way The Last Stand did.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Well, still not happy Vaughn is not directing, but...

    by Eric Brown

    You're right. At least Singer is back in the seat.


  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by CreepyThinManForever

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST

    ...Spource, Empire magazine interview with the director

    by FreeBeer

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST


    by FreeBeer

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST

    We just said this on the other thread!

    by Norman Colson

    It's a damn shame!

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Anyone who claims X3 is one of the best...

    by Andrew Coleman

    Should be banished to a hell dimension. That movie is one of the worst. Very funny if Singer is really back... It's like Fox straight admitting they should have waited for him to finish Superman to make X3... Singer is solid this could work out really well.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST

    The Wolverine NOT A PREQUEL, link to article...

    by FreeBeer

  • ...

  • Man I was looking forward to X:Men Days of Future Whatever...especially after hearing the direction they were going. What I hate is when a great director does a fantastic Part 1 of a series, and then hands off the sequel to some 2nd rate director, and the result sucks (most recent being Taken 2). I know that Bryan Singer is a possible replacement, but I find him similar to Christopher Nolan, he gets overly cerebral and forgets the fun. X2 was a good drama film but there wasn't a fun pace to it like X:Men First Class. The 3rd act of X2 was nothing but one loud explosion after another under a lake complex. Just an endless action sequence with little coherence, didn't like. I DID like the Wolverine fight with the Asian lady, that was very well done. Other than that, I'm not an X2 fan in the same way I'm not a Christopher Nolan Batman films fan. Too serious for superheroes, not enough fun, and no rhythm to the action. Forgive me, I'm angry at this. Matt Vaughn is the best up and coming talent for superheroes/action in the last 2 years. He balances intelligence with FUN, something that few really GET how to do! So what is he going to do now to make up for this!

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:19 p.m. CST

    I loved First Class, but like X2 slightly more

    by Rebel Scumb

    I'm glad to have Singer back. Would have been fine with Vaughn as well. I know a lot of people hate the Fox X films but I for one am happy with them as a whole. X3 is dissappointing, but not nearly as bad as many make it out to be, the wolverine prequel is bad, but to be fair not any worse than MANY MANY issues of the actual comics, and its main issue is that it just feels like an unfinished film that needed more time in post, which it is. But Considering that X1 is solid, and X2 and X:FC are so good I hardly see 3, and xo:wolverine as franchise sinking. Afterall, many of the Star Trek films are hit and miss, but we don't think they should just scrap and reboot that whole franchise just because Final Frontier wasn't as great as Wrath of Khan.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Smells like X-Men 3 up in here.

    by Grando

    And it stinks. Stinks like old dogshit.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST

    We need some new Wolverine and new X-Men coordination

    by DadeOrAlive

    The likeable Jackman has the face of Wolverine, but not the body. Blow it up and do 'em right.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    I feel the need to point out...

    by cuttr

    ...that Singer was widely hated when he was announced as X-men director. We hated the costume test shots, we hated the selection of "Huge Ackman" as Wolverine. Singer proceeded to totally whack our precious "continuity", cast an old lady (relatively speaking) as Jean Gray and a mannequin for Scott, neuter Sabertooth, and essentially swap Rogue for Kitty Pride. And make Colossus a bit player. In short, we have no fucking idea what we're talking about.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    First Class was not good

    by BeatsMe

    First Class was as bad as X3. But someone other than Singer might be good.

  • likely no sam raimi spiderman then likely no Marvel making heaps of money, gaining tons of clout, and then no marvel studios, so no Ironman, Thor, avengers et al. X1 was the turning point for comicbook movies and marvel especially, it was the first time a director really treated the material seriously even if it different in many respects to specific visuals of characters and whatnot. They did what they did to translate a very comicbooky world into a cinematic one, and it got the job done. To me Xmen is not specific costume designs or specific team arrangements from certain issues. Its the core idea of the mutant plight against predjudice, and the movies have done a good job at that, Whenever the comics diverge from this into space opera, or brood invasions, or alternate dimensions or standard superhero stuff it ceases to be xmen and just becomes any superhero story, which is fine. But xmen is always at its best when it sticks to its most basic premise.

  • I think its good to continue both the prequels and the present day stuff in unison and I can't believe they might actually be going the route I've suggested for 2 years now in the talkbacks of 'days of future past' being a connected storyline between the prequels and sequels

  • Very angry about this

  • First Class is visually strong and benefits from amazing casting, but I feel X2 is overall a more tight picture. Still, X2 and First Class are both great, and maybe Singer can makeup for leaving the franchise to make Superman. This could workout and we could get the X-Men series all back on track.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST

    First Class was my favorite, even with a weak roster.

    by tomandshell

    I was looking forward to seeing Vaughn work with some more high profile mutants on the team in the sequel.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:29 p.m. CST

    X-Men First Class is by far the best X-Men movie

    by D o o d

    X-Men and X-men 2 were great also!

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST

    ali_kerim re: singer and vaughn

    by Rebel Scumb

    Personally the only one of Vaughn's films I liked was First Class, and even that I wouldn't say has any really distinct visual flavor to it, but its functional and gets the job done granted I haven't seen layer cake but I thought Kickass was terrible Now Singer is far from being the greatest filmmaker of all time either, but much like Martin Campbell on the Bond films, I think within this franchise he works well. Usual Suspects is also a 90s classic I think, but otherwise I've been pretty meh about his non-X films. But since both singer and vaughn are the only 2 directors to deliver good X-films to date, I'm fine with either, especially since they both seem able to deliver the goods even with the ludicrously rushed schedules fox hands them I cannot believe X:FC turned out well at all considering they were casting that movie in January and it was still out and ready to go in June.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Arnold is doing The Legend of Conan!

    by Ryan

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST

    tomandshell, agreed, weakness of First Class was lame mutants.

    by FreeBeer

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    Agreed. It is also really great as a sequel, takes the quaint first film, which looks like a TV pilot by todays standards, builds off everything that was set up, but raises the stakes and the scale. Great pacing, good balance of a TON of characters (may more than avengers had to deal with), has some heart, some signifigant developments, a slick look.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST


    by Chris Moody

    Vaugh is so much better than Singer! Plus, I really do not want to see any more homosexual undertones in this film.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST


    by cloverock70

    Please, not Bryan Singer!

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Lying bastard rambo

    by FreeBeer

  • I mean it could've been worse they could've said they were getting Brett Ratner or Michael Bay LOL. So at least it's Singer and at least Vaughn will still be a part of it. I'm still very much encouraged by this film.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST

    freebeer, I've never read the kickass comic

    by Rebel Scumb

    I'm sure the movie was faithful, it just wasn't my cup of tea, so you're probably right the comic wouldn't be either.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Oh, wait, sorry rambo, it's true!

    by FreeBeer

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Let's be serious here...

    by dogmonsta

    All the Fox X-Men movies sucked. There were bits and parts that were "cool" to see being a Marvel fan but in no way or shape or form are any of these good movies. They don't even stick to the original content. Some casting choices we're well made but most of the scripts and art direction we're awful. Patrick Stewart/Mckellen were the only perfect casting choices. They should have went young with the a mix of original 5 and a few of the new guys. Please Disney buy Fox out and get someone on the project who LIVES X-Men...Grab Claremont and tell him we want you to start writing a script. We want to focus on the original 5 in the beginning. Danger room sequence re-establish the characters. Brotherhood attacks...the original Brotherhood with Quicksilvr S Witch, Blob Toad Mastermind Magneto. They get their asses handed to them...Chuck links up with Cerebro brings in Logan, Nightcrawler Storm and Collossus...track down Mags after he tears NY apart. Show a Trask side story getting Sentinel program activated. X-Men find the Hood beat em down then they all get attacked by Sentinals inside Madison Square Garden...fight together, beat the sentinels...Mags with his " see charles humans suck" blah blahblah...then at end you meet Kitty at the end credit scene...done..throw in a 200 million budget, GOOD costumes, and you have yourself a X-Men movie

  • Now if they would include the real X-Men again Cyclops, Storm, Colossus, Night-Crawler, and talk Jackman into doing Wolverine again! I'd love this sequel!

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST

    skillfully shot

    by FreeBeer

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Creepythinman: "Who they gonna hire? "Paul "What Script" Anderson"?

    by Norman Colson


  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Good Lord, can we forget Bryan Singer already?!!

    by gridlockd

    Let's think outside the box for once! Didn't anyone notice the first X-Men sucked? Dude abandoned the series to fuck up Superman. Anybody who'd choose Superman over X-Men is NOT a true X-Men fan.

  • Do an ongoing storyline involving time travel which goes from Days of future past into X4, then do at least one more prequel bridging First class and Days of future past into X1, but also keep going with X4 and X5 and X6, bump Iceman up to be the leader of xmen, colossus, shadowcat etc, introduce some new characters, there's still so many to mine from the books. I don't care if it doesn't match the exact order of the books rosters, its an adaptation. And if they continue to do well you can start experimenting with X-factor, X-force etc, then do some big cross over event like the X-cutioners song Xtinction agenda.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Rebel Scumb, very good point.

    by Randy

    It's one of the only sequels over the last decade that actually built on the foundation of the first film. It also beautifully setup a 3rd film, and if Singer had stayed on, I think we would have the first great Comic Book trilogy. Singer, his cast and his screenwriters all hit a real groove with the X-Men franchise.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    Well I think you're right in the sense that Singer had not grown up with Xmen and was brought the project to work on, and then developed it. Whereas he was a lifelong superman fan, so I understand why he was drawn away to work on that, plus WB is probably better to deal with than Fox But I think at the end of the day the final product is all that matters, maybe Singer cares more about superman than he does xmen, but based on the final product he makes good & great xmen films, while a not good superman one.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Do we really want a lightning to strike (toad) twice?

    by gridlockd

    Knows his way around the X-Men universe?

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST


    by Chris Moody

    Make it happen!

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST

    BTW, Singer...PLEASE do not "GAYify" this film!

    by Chris Moody

    I am sick of your subtle yet preachy gay allegories.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST

    agreed vameon

    by Rebel Scumb

    And I mean I don't think the Singer films are perfect, I do agree with all who say that cyclops gets the shaft in every single film. And while I adore Famke and Paquin neither would have been my first choice for Jean or Rogue But enough of those films are right, wolverine, prof x, magneto were all perfectly realized. And even some of the less than perfect casting choices rose to the occasion by the 2nd film. But as sequels go, superhero movies go, and summer movies in general, for my money X2 is among the best, it does everything it needs to do and more, absolutely jampacked with goodies.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Cyclops is my favorite X-Men, so that part did hurt me.

    by Randy

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST

    please go with someone different.

    by iampain

    the guy is zzzzzz at doing action.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Sounds like you want

    by gridlockd

    The Andrew Kevin Walker script. As do I. Reading that script ruined me for all other X-Men movies. It's got the huge scope and scale of The Avengers.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by sonnyfern

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by sonnyfern

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    He knows the universe yet

    by gridlockd

    Storm was a fair match for Toad? Bullshit. That's X-Men 101. And why cast Darth Maul as Toad (and then pay homage to him - as he says in the commentary) What did that add? Douche move. One of many.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Arnold back as CONAN --- Collider.

    by JP

    AICN is done.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Bryan Singers X-Men movies SUCKED

    by sonnyfern

    They were good for the time but the ante has been uped thanks to stuff like The Avengers. Singer just doesn't have the balls for spectacle.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Bryan Singers X-Men movies SUCKED

    by sonnyfern

    They were good for the time but the ante has been uped thanks to stuff like The Avengers. Singer just doesn't have the balls for spectacle.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 5 p.m. CST

    cyclops dying sucked balls...

    by Norman Colson

    I mean literally... nowhere in comics history has said that cyclops has died in any major storyline. he's the fucking leader for a reason... They ruined the storyline with X3... I surely hope that the first class 2 rewrites the timeline because that sucked! also what is this about the wolverine being a sequel to x3? WTF?!

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Sorry...Superman Returns

    by django_il_bastardo

    wiped out any good hope I had for Singer and comic book movies.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 5:07 p.m. CST

    I give Singer credit for X2

    by Nerd Rage

    But I despise X1 and Supershit Returns. Singer cannot be trusted. Vaughn did a great job despite a butchured continuity. I'd love to see what he could do with better mutants, more time, and a bigger budget. Singer will probably bring back the leather, wire fu and blatant, gay agenda.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 5:10 p.m. CST

    I don't get the love for First Class

    by sunwukong86

    Minus Xavier and Magneto it wasn't that great

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 5:16 p.m. CST

    they ruined everything with pg13

    by len

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Gay Agenda?

    by Norman Colson

    What is the gay agenda? LMAO.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 5:20 p.m. CST

    SuperHeroHype reporting Legend of Conan with ARNOLD!

    by CountOrlok

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST

    I want KING CONAN!!

    by ATARI

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Hmmmmm, Mangold is describing

    by mr.underwater

    The Wolverine as a "Japanese noir picture with tentpole action" I have to say, that description is very intriguing to me

  • I hope you've learned from your mistakes, Bryan.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST


    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    Fuck yes!

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 5:36 p.m. CST

    It's worth pointing out that these are ALL Fox films

    by Ribbons

    -- Planet of the Apes, Logan's Run, and Days of Future Past. Tom Rothman was supposed to own the reign of terror at that studio, but less than a month after he's fired three prominent tentpoles are forced to scramble to replace three bailing directors/stars. It seems a little mysterious to me, of course it could all just be an unfortunate coincidence.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 5:48 p.m. CST


    by I am the Terminator

    Such a PHONY cuntservative!!

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Can they just go on acting like X3 never happened?

    by Andrew Coleman

    Just have Wolverine waking up and Jean being there and he goes... "but you... Cyclops..." and she goes "Logan it was all a dream". They did that shit in the comics! Seriously X-Men 1 is weak and has dated badly. X2 has not at all. Still very solid. Go back and watch X3 and it hurts bad. Feels like a high school kid wrote the script and it was directed by Kevin Smith(Not hating just Smith has admitted he doesn't know how to do big action scenes, well neither did Brett Ratner obviously). Wolverine 1 was really fucking bad. Seemed like they were making it all up as they went along. They started off with failure when they decided to make Wolverine a pussy so he was "kid friendly" from then on they had to back track. The bullet to the head/making him forget everything was the worst part. Fox should just go on from First Class and Wolverine 2 acting like none of that really happened. No one would really care. Geeks would love the bad movies be erased and general people wouldn't remember those movies anyway.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST


    by FirstMan

    Fizzled out so badly for me at the end that I'm not sure how I rate it. Beginning to middle were great though, with nightcrawler, pyro going nuts, etc. Ending was just terrible.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST

    What this Legend of Conan??

    by mr.underwater

    In 1982 I was promised KING CONAN I'm holding Milius and Arnold to that promise.

  • or those uppity womenfolk! Get thee back into the kitchen!!

  • better then the actual star wars films did. And each did it with just a hand full of scenes spread across one regular length movie. Anyways, not to get side tracked, but its just one of the many things these films, at their best have done well.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Id be ok with it x-men is his franchise.

    by rakesh patel

    and if he did it right he may well be able to clear the stink of superman returns.

  • Its starting to scare me how in tune we both are.. My order of favs is exactly the same for the same reason.. Damn I need to sit down...

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST

    2 more notes about bigotry...

    by Rebel Scumb

    1) If you ever find yourself saying anything that contains the phrase 'this is the [INSERT GROUP] agenda' you are a likely a bigot. This also counts for using the phrase 'you people...'. I'm sure there must be a way to use these phrases in a non-asshole way, I've just yet to encounter it. 2) it baffles me that anyone could be a fan of xmen, but also be a bigot. Shouldn't those things be mutually exclusive?? It was like once on a trek forum I saw a guy go haywire when he found Michael Dorn and Terry Farrel had been a couple in real life. He said it was wrong for white women to be with black men. How on earth can you be a Trek fan AND a racist????

  • I forget where I saw it, and it could just all be rumors and whatnot, but hopefully it's true. I can't imagine anyone playing (old) Xavier other than him, there isn't even a suitable 2nd choice. Can you imagine if Singer had been unable to get him for X1, I don't think any fan would have settled for anyone but him. Even a lot of the marvel artists had started drawing Xavier to look MORE like PS in the comics during the 1990s

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Enthusiasm fading...

    by Raymar

    First Class made Singer's films look like amateur hour. Bummer.

  • but Singer also wrote/direct the first X-Men which wasn't so good...selective reporting

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Ill say it again, gimme the money shot

    by Kakii

    If that iconic part is removed then they can get to fuck! X 1 & 2 were good, I dont mind 3, it did waste the best xmen story ever and was a bit too cheesey, but it wasnt Batman and Robin bad, in fact I was less disappointed than I was with TDKR, Ill even be bold and say X3 was better than it. By the way wasnt it Blade that helped first rein-vigor the genre and not XMen?

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Blade Helped, but X-Men really set them up as blockbusters.

    by Randy

    Also, the Matrix deserves a lot of credit, just for it's style and how to make flying and comic book type action work in modern film.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:18 p.m. CST

    this is GREAT news

    by oisin5199

    Matthew Vaughan, though I like some of his work, just seems like a clusterfuck waiting to happen. Singer knows this universe. Everyone, including FOX, knows damn well that Singer would have made an amazing X3 if they had given him the time - and it would have blown away the shitstain that was the Ratner effort. They've eased their way back with Singer on XMFC, which was an improvement in terms of scope and the focus on Xavier and Magneto, but was still fairly weak. Jennifer Laurence was a decent Mystique, but the rest of the students were throwaways. Even if I didn't always agree with his interpretation of the characters, Singer was able to come up with some strong characterizations, pathos, and relevant themes - and you got a strong sense of community with the students. XMFC is a great start back in that direction, but hopefully he can make the epic X-Men film he's always wanted to make with this Days of Future Past adaptation. And for those who say Singer can't direct action, does no one remember the amazing Nightcrawler fight sequence in the opening of X2?

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    =what is the gay agenda=

    by Nerd Rage

    To mainstream gays. I have no problem with doing such a thing but don't exploit your trusted position as director to GLITTER BOMB every comic book icon you can get your hands on.

  • you guys and these FOX Marvel movies and your hopes up... you keep going back at them like Charlie Brown and Lucy with the football. Rothman's still in charge so why do you think anything will change or be different? And after THE AVENGERS and Marvel Studios and all that, who really gives a fuck? X-Men is overdue for a reboot anyway. And to go off topic a bit.... over at Sony, nobody gives a shit about rehashing Spider-Man yet again. What he needs is a movie with Daredevil and The Punisher and go gritty urban N.Y. with clashing points of view of justice and catching/killing the bad guy.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Reboot BLADE too? Is he over at Marvel Studios yet?

    by IAmLegolas

    Get Michael Jai White on the phone.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST

    First Class is easily the best X-Men movie. FACT!! X2 is overrated. FACT!!

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    Also, Arnie doing Legend of Conan, which ignores Conan the Destroyer and the reboot? Awesome. FACT!! Now he needs to put Terminator to rights by making a sequel that ignores T3 and 4, stars Linda Hamilton and Michael Biehn, is produced by James Cameron, written by William Wisher, and has Neil Blomkamp, Kathryn Bigelow or David Fincher as director. FACT!!!!!

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST

    X-MEN FIRST CLASS was a step in the right direction

    by IAmLegolas

    but like PROMETHEUS it suffered by still clinging onto previous movies in the franchises, it need to be a totally fresh start, no Hugh Jackman cameo or any ties to the Singer X-Men (which has aged badly)

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST

    In other news, Looks like Arnold is returning to the conan franchise

    by Redhead_Redemption

    He's finally gonna make that long rumoured King Conan film. at least according to deadline

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST


    by thot

    It looks like Arnold is indeed returning to don the loincloth of the great Barbarian! The Legend of Conan is the title. Let's hope it's of the quality the titular Cimmerian deserves!

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST


    by JerryAurora

    Kevin Feige did mention awhile back that they had regained the Blade rights along with the Punisher. One would hope they would reinvent the Marvel Knights brand with some quality hard R action films, and not just stick that logo on crap like Ghost Rider 2.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Everyone is talking about Conan

    by JerryAurora

    Why in the hell is there no article up yet? I have been lurking at this site for 12 years, and they do seem to be letting others do the heavy lifting when it comes to big genre news like that.

  • and the movie was pushed ahead on the release schedule by 6 months. Having met Singer on the set of X1 I can tell you he would have loved to have been able to have a bigger scope, bigger budget, etc. That was a FOX choice, and at the time a logical one given the state of comicbook films throughout the 1990s

  • err wait...

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST

    As long as Singer doesn't make Cyclops into a creepy stalker

    by Rupee88

    and use recycled Donner themes

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Marvel Knights

    by JerryAurora

    Daredevil, Moon Knight, Heroes for Hire, Blade, The Punisher, Ghost Rider. Marvel/Disney could make a fortune if they decided to make an effort to market quality-driven, cost effective films based on lesser known action oriented characters. I'm personally pulling for a hard R Moon Knight.

  • really eclectic filmography, I am hopeful though for that one, especially given its sequel status

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Hold the shit

    by InfiniteGeist

    Did someone really just say that X3 was among the best? Sure, if you like having testicle made of drills, being dropped into your eye sockets, then yeah sure. I'm cool with Singer taking the helm again. I felt like the more he did X-men movies, the more he was getting the feel of how the characters should be. I'm sure it'll be a smooth transition, as Mathew and Bryan just merely switched roles.

  • I always thought it was a huge mistake in the comics that they had all their properties in one continuity, aside from how messy it gets and overstuffed the whole mutants are freaks we hate them! but the avengers and fantastic four are heros! we worship them! logic of the mass populace of the marvelverse seems impossible to swallow. How does the average joe know the difference between captain america or cyclops? And would he really throw his own son out of the house for being a lousy mutant over trusting some masked viliglante who got his powers from toxic waste or aliens??

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Well that sucks

    by theblackvegtable

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Concerining the bigotry but still a fan thing

    by Pipple

    That's an interesting thought, is it possible to be a bigot and still be a fan of a movie or whatever that is about a minority group fighting for its rights? Well of course yes, I say. As someone put it when I was in the Airforce, EVERYTHING is politics. And that guy is right. As I've gotten older I've learned that nothing is truly black or white, you can get into a debate over everything. To use a very simple example, it's like how there's even racism amongst black people, those who are lighter hating darker etc. Does it make any fucking sense? No, but there you go... Why do I like x-men movies despite me personally not being a fan of gay people? Cuz I'm an artist and I love good art. I guess then it's all subjective and it's up to you and your personal tastes. Hate to beat a dead horse, but when Superman Returns came out, a lot of mud slinging over the film happened online primarily because of the director's sexual orientation, and nothing to do with the quality of the film itself. Whether you agree or not, that's how I roll when it comes to film. I don't give a damn about who the director likes to fuck. Was the movie good shit or not? Anyway, I hope singer does his thang and knocks this xmovie out. X2 is still the best one. Um and if Arnolds back as Conan? *feints...*

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Singer's actors aren't as interesting as Vaughn's...

    by The Marquis de Side 3

    Singer doesn't make the lively and spirited choices, or searches as emotionally deep into the performances as Vaughn does. Singer's decent, but not as good as Vaughn. I liked the performances in "FIRST CLASS" over the first two "X-MEN" films. Vaughn pulls better performances out of his actors than Singer. *VERY* bummed out that he won't direct. :o(

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:51 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    thanks for actually making the effort to provide a thoughtful reply to a question I really didn't feel there could be one to. I don't agree with your views 100% but I can at least sort of see where you're coming from.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Look, I acknowledge that comics always had homoerotic imagery

    by Nerd Rage

    But you have directors who keep the gay stuff contained so the audience can appreciate other themes and then other directors who dwell on the gay elements to a laughable extent (Schumacher and Singer).

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Holy shit, Arnold Schwartzeneger is doing ANOTHER CONAN MOVIE!!!!!

    by Squinty CGI Flynn

  • more than just super heroes = $$$$$$ and give who ever ends up directing proper time, money and freedom to make the best xmen film possible.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST

    This is confusing

    by Prooth

    Did anyone else vaguely think of Putin and Medvedev playing musical chairs when they read this?

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST

    nerd rage

    by Rebel Scumb

    but wouldn't you agree that of any minority group, the one xmen's format most logically fits as an analogy are gays? Nobody is going to find out that there teenage son has suddenly turned out to be black. The kinds of stories the comics often dealt with were not just that mutants were outcasts, but that they could be anyone, and that someone may be a mutant but still 'in the closet' or even in denial about it to themselves, while other mutants were obvious to the eye. There's plenty that works in Xmen for the civil rights movement, or feminism, but gay rights is also the most socially relevant equal rights conflict of our current time period. Obviously sexism and racism still exist, but they are not at the forefront of the public debate at the moment, and both issues while still ongoing have made leaps and bounds in the past 4-5 decades. Gay rights are about 20-30 years behind the civil rights movement, and whats wrong with making a movie relevant to the times? Although ultimately what it comes down to me is what Capt america said in the movie 'I just don't like bullies' I don't like to see any group, for any reason being denied the rights and respect that others are granted. And it's true, issues are very complicated, racism is not something white people invented, and goes on in other countries among non-whites just as much. Just as in the gay community there are internal conflicts, differences of opinion. Or in feminism how some women say its bad for others to be homemakers, while others argue they have the right to choose, and that's what they've chosen. One of the things that sets xmen apart is at least it is ABOUT something other than fighting or good vs evil, but actual issues of human rights and ethics. anyways, thats enough ramble for one post

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Days of future Past without Wolverine?

    by Hesiod2k7


  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST


    by WeylandYutani

    But for an "old lady" I wouldn't mind a slice of that.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST

    So DOFP pretty much boils down to.....

    by Smerdyakov

    A battle in Washington between the X-Men and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. Haven't we been there before?

  • It was a complete reimagining of the concept and worked surprisingly well, they also built their story slowly piece by piece working up to the bigger superhero stuff and actually focused on cyclops while keeping wolverine on the backburner most of the time In some ways, of all the various versions that cartoon was kind of my favorite take on the whole franchise

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:10 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I think it will likely be more just an xmen story with timetravel as a major plot point, and using the title as a nice wink to the classic comics, but I don't expect a literal translation from comic to screen of that story the 1990s cartoon did their own days of future past but used Bishop instead of Phoenix and it worked pretty well, as a good merger of 2 completely seperate time travel stories from the comics

  • If they ever release a proper "special edition" of X-MEN 1 on DVD, Singer needs to go back and cut those two lines out of the film. Just show Storm zap him! No one likes those stupid lines.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST

    X2 is the best of the X films. (Need Proof? see scenes...)

    by SlickyVonBoner

    Magneto escaping from prison. Nightcrawler attacking the white house. Wolverine versus Ladydeathstrike. Pyro vs the police. The military attack on the school gives me chills every time I watch it. These are some of the greatest action scenes of ANY movie, much less a superhero film. My only gripe may be Wolverine crying at the Phoneix's apparent 'death.' A near perfect movie.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Idris Elba as Bishop?

    by Rebel Scumb

    could anyone be more badass than Stringer Bell/Luther?

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST

    The X-Men Lift Things!

    by animatronicmojo

    Vaughn out is good news. I really don't get the love for First Class. Other than Fassbinder, the cast was pretty milquetoast. Kevin Bacon as a leisure-suit wearing villain (who used to be a Nazi doctor, donchyaknow) named "Sebastian Shaw?" Wooooahh-kay! <BR> But Bryan "Stalker-Man Returns" Singer coming back doesn't thrill me- and, yeah, where is this Jack The Giant Slayer-Killer that you speak of? <BR> I enjoyed X-Men and X2 mostly for how great in everything Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan are- and I would rather see them again- but the endings to all four X-Men flicks are, at best, a wet blanket, at worst, a giant piss on the audience. <BR> Yes, something is definitely rotten at Fox.

  • is THAT SUCKS! I didn't like the first two X-Men films, they seemed really flat, unemotional, terrible jokes, shooting off the Phoenix load way too soon.. And Superman Returns sucks. Bryan Singer is not Bret Ratner terrible. I just don't think he's all that good. Usual Suspects is his only good film.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by JerryAurora

    Very good points regarding the story and the 90's cartoon version. I totally agree, there is no way this will look anything like the comic book version. I think, like many have said since DOFP was announced, that this will be a sideways prequel/sequel to have the intended effect of rebooting the franchise continuity like JJ's Star Trek. Fox has to continue to making films in order to retain the license, so this will be their way of resetting it for at least 2 to 3 more films minimum. The license requirements are one of the many reasons the Wolverine prequel sucked so bad. In order to maintain the X-Men property, the films had to include a minimum number of actual X-Men members, not just mutant characters. That's why Cyclops, a version of Emma Frost, Gambit, and Prof X were all shoe horned into it like a rancid Turducken. With Rothman out at FOX and Mark Millar supposedly in as the Marvel consultant, just maybe this franchise can be good again despite not being at Disney/Marvel Studios

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST

    As Kidd said, what the Hell is going on here?

    by Sean

    I'm trying to figure out how to build a career as a director. My ambition and dream is to be in Hollywood and be in the big leagues, making original content, intelligent, cool stuff. And being a genre boy at heart, i've grown up with all of these franchises...the legions of Marvel and DC properties, Star Wars, Terminator, etc, etc, etc. I would KILL to helm a sequel to just about any one of these tentpole films. No doubt, there would be a batch of you too, with the same artistic dreams. Yet, in the last 5 years, between all the remakes, there is just so much schitzophrenic bullshit going on in the industry. You almost begin to think, what is the point? They are half way through pre production on the new X-Men movie right? I can respect someone leaving if a situation just really isn't right for them, if something against their ethics or beliefs faces them. On the other hand, (and Vaughn has jumped ship more than once on a project) it is an odd time of the process to leave the film. Think about it...there is a degree of responsibility here. People have jobs, crew members and millions invested and at stake. Sometimes, for all of the undying love of movies, the passionate yearning to create and meet, rub shoulders and work with all of the heroes of directing/screenwriting/special effects/editing, etc you have grown up idolising for start to wonder if all the potential stress you can forsee or predict (just based on the industry news we read as outsider armchair critics and geeks) to come ahead outweighs your dreams or not. Does that make sense? Fox, with and without a bully like Rothman, is right now, quite fucked in my opinion. And yyet franchise wise, IP wise...they have it all. They are a kingdom of geek riches. Die Hard, Alien, The Simpsons, X-Men, Fantastic Four, distribution of Star Wars, Planet Of The Apes, 24, Predator, the list goes on. And it's a fucking mess. Now i certainly don't know as much about the executive side as much as the creative people out there, but years ago you had risktakers in Fox like Bill Mechanic...getting Titanic made and after all the negativity, had a triumph. And he believed in Fight Club...arguably my favourite masterpiece...which flopped and he was fired but it was like nothing ellse out there and since release...critical acclaim and geek/cult love. I know it isn't record breaking profit but not everything will be. Look, this is a rant...i may go here, there, everywhere. I'm idealistic and God fucking sue me for holding on to that through all of the shitstorms and cynicism we have in the AICN talkbacks and everything outside of it. There are things to consider economically and such that we geeks tend to forget about sometimes as we're so blinded by our love of the IP's but sometimes we are MORE than switched on and some of us honestly should be the ones ushering in a regime change for the better. I dearly love X-Men, from the comics to most of the films...even if it isn't quite what i expected. I remembr being excited as a kid at the prospect of a Cameron helmed film. I just want something awesome to somehow come out of this. I just like to think that it is primarily about the art...that is all i really care about and it is what i have to focus on to keep sane in this crazy pursuit. ...Think i need to watch a movie now.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:26 p.m. CST


    by Norman Colson

    As long as he doesnt get killed off like in the wire... American Gangster, Prometheus, The Losers, ETC. ETC. lol.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:31 p.m. CST

    I agree, Idris Elba would be a great Bishop

    by JerryAurora

    And then he could join Ryan Reynolds and Chris Evans as actors who have portrayed at least 3 comic book characters on screen.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:37 p.m. CST

    better yet. idris elba for john stewart green lantern FTW

    by Norman Colson

    Make it happen warner brothers!!!!

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Cable should be portrayed by....

    by JerryAurora

    Since I was thinking of The Losers with Idris Elba, Jeffery Dean Morgan would fit the bill nicely. Had the right look when he did Watchmen. I will now open the floor for better choices to play Nathan Summers.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Matthew Vaughn wants to be like Ben Affleck but it ain't gonna happen!!

    by Fries Against

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST

    jerryaurora, I vote Stephen Lang for Cable

    by 3D-Man

    Y'now, Colonel Quaritch from Avatar? He's a dead ringer!

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST


    by Norman Colson

    jeffrey dean morgan... nice

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Stephen Lang, hell yeah! he damn sure looks like him!

    by Norman Colson

    That guy would have been on my list too.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST

    My only problem with Vaughn's X-Men was Professor X himself.

    by Ted Knight

    He was a one-dimensional good guy perfectly empathetic, perfectly charismatic and humble. Now Fassbender, on the other hand, should have received a flippin Oscar nomination for his performance. He injected real suspense into his moral transformation. I sat mortified but silently cheering when he gets his moment of revenge. Just a stellar performance. I'm not really sure how I stand on Vaughn's departure. I really enjoyed the job he did on the first but I personally think it had more to do with the strength of the script.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Arnold is going to play Conan again!!!!!!!

    by Bobo_Vision

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    I hope this sinks the film

    by Logan_1973

    I hate FIRST CLASS with a fiery passion.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 8 p.m. CST

    Stephen Lang

    by JerryAurora

    A great choice. Looks the part, and is age appropriate. Maybe a bit of type casting, but that wouldnt hurt in this case.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 8:06 p.m. CST

    truth is bryan singer x-men movies suck, and...

    by patrick cruz

    all his movies were mostly about Wolverine and finding out who he is so thats basically his origin and he gets more origin movies. Wolverine was never the fucking team leader to begin with. i liked wolverine as a kid but Fox is making me hate hisa ass. wolverine this wolverine that. they're fucking up my childhood memories and love for the x-men. i liked first class a lot even if it wasn't the original team. and fassbender was a better magneto. he just needs to bul it up and throw some long ass 300 style gray/white hair. i hope. that marvel owns the rights from all its heroes soon

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 8:11 p.m. CST

    The Toad Line

    by Nightshot

    They should totally get the writer for Avengers to write DOFP, so we NEVER get a line like the toad-lightning line.. Wait.. hold on.. yup.. Same writer. That line is one of two moments that remain unchanged from Joss's pass on the script (The other one is the "Youre a dick" moment). Little known fact. Zamph.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST

    r rambo - source that claim or BS, I'd say

    by wcolbert

    Though I WISH Arnold would do one last hurrah as Conan. That would be fuggin magnificent. Give me a grey and wrinkled arnold over the "action stars" we have dangling from wires in front of green screens, any day. I'd watch that guy fight with a cane at 80 before I'd want to watch channing "derp face" tatum attempt to look anything but confused and stupid.

  • ...AND FUCK YEAH!!!

  • along with Keira Knightly's "try wearing a corsette" from Pirates of the Caribbean ...but this far trumps that. That line was there to give her some sense of "girl power" I guess....the lightning line was just completely pointless to say and could easily have been written by a 5 year old. I kid you not. A 5 year old.

  • ...still pissed at Singer for jumping to Superman. Would love to see him nail this and then find a way to finish the Phoenix saga correctly.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Now, Arnold for Thanos!!!!

    by ThulsaBoom

  • I just KNOW somehow he's going to shoe horn gay themes into this movie.

  • X-Men 2 WAS a great movie, and I honestly think that if he directed X-Men 3 IF WOULD HAVE LOOKED AND TURNED OUT EXACTLY THE SAME WAY AS RATNER'S VERSION! Ratner is the ULTIMATE Hollywood tool, but most fanboys don't seem to understand his role in the movie. He came in LITERALLY at the last minute after Singer and the same producers that have designed and guided the films and their overall storyline had all the parts in place, and Ratner pretty much did what he ALWAYS does and let the talent around him do ALL the work. A lot of the behind-the-scenes people had been there for the last two films and that carried over into The Last Stand. While that movie had problems (killing Cyclops because you don't want to write for his character was a cheap and baffling move) but I thought it did a lot right and wasn't in close to being as bad as most people like to whine.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST


    by JerryAurora

    Pretty much obvious to everyone here that you are protesting a little too much. Take your self loathing over to Drudge, where it belongs.

  • ...besides, X-2. X-2!!!!

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 8:35 p.m. CST

    @theobsserver, X3 was horrible.

    by Norman Colson

    I mean plot wise it tried too many things and ended up failing. I mean you kill off the leader and there's no mourning, no anger about it. wtf and you kill off professor x and yet it seemed surreal. the xmen wasnt angry about it nor magneto. I dont understand why didnt he grieve. best friend and all... Charles warned him. Told him to not unleash the phoenix. Also X3 could have been better if you went broke and went balls to the wall mutant on mutant action like the whole thing on alcatraz island could have been an excellent time for everyone to cut loose. Storm shows everyone why she's most dangerous. Collosus vs juggernaut. Iceman vs pyro. so many ideas. so many things just wasted... I do like the part kelsey grammer as beast! Stole the whole damn movie!!! He needs to come back Period! Looking back for the last movie, your supposed to go out with a bang, but the writing was clumsy. the action stitled, You killed off CYCLOPS!, the last fight was horrible.... re-watching it a second time I just was like that is some bullshit.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    I am glad he is out, First Class was a horrible racist movie

    by ragermac

    I could not stand the lame characters, the blatant racism and the horrible, horrible plot. Good riddance and piss off.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST

    racist? really? that's what you got out of it?

    by JerryAurora

    Issues of race and sexuality are real world problems, but if you people need to grasp at those things to belittle a comic book movie, well thats just sad.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 8:42 p.m. CST

    The problem with Superman Returns

    by wcolbert

    Wasn't really even the plot. It was that the threats and feats shown in the film were...for old-hat that it went over as ho-hum. It was something we've seen Superman do, time and time again. Lex Luthor gets Kryptonite. Of course. Hatches evil scheme to dominate world. Check. Superman stops a few bank robbers. Check. Bullets bouncing off the chest scene. Check. Lifts heavy things. Check. Superman goes to stop Luthor's scheme, falls victim to kryptonite. Check. Comes back and hurls object into space. The end. Oh yeah and he had a son (always a mistake to do that). Lois Lane was decidedly droll and lacked that perkiness (not like that) we've come to associate with her character. Brandon Routh, while he did a fine job of impersonating Christopher Reeve, was only doing just that - an impression of Christopher Reeve's superman from a badly dated movie (sorry, I enjoy it for what it is, great for its time, but come on - you know that kind of Superman would never hold up with today's audiences had they no nostalgia factor). The whole movie was just following the footsteps of what has come before. And the result was boredom. Superman by nature is difficult to write as an interesting character, without resorting the kryptonite or magic as a crutch. Without that, he's essentially unstoppable. The viewer never worries 'oh, superman might actually die this time'...they know a tank could fall on him and he'd be just fine. So where's the challenge for a man with no limits? How do you challenge him without the cliche, tired crutches? I suppose there's always Darkseid and Doomsday - but nobody's had the balls to take that on yet (we'll see with the new one). The all star superman story could work well as a live action film, too. Superman is dying, but getting exponentially stronger before he does - he wants to perform one last act as the earth's savior before he falls victim to something not even he can stop. The animated films have been pretty great - I really enjoyed Superman vs The Elite.... now THAT would make for a badass film if done properly, and calls into question the need for the big blue boyscout in today's world, where being morally just and never killing is NOT always the answer...or is it, when you have his abilities?

  • Just make Michael Jai White Power Man, and Scott Adkins Iron Fist with an auteur directing (Hughes Brothers? Matthew Vaughn?) and a $50-70 million dollar budget, max. If they let Michael Jai White be Power Man, I won't care too much if they go all Ryan Reynolds with Idris Elba and cast him in as many comic book roles as possible. Idris Elba does own Ryan Reynolds, so to speak.

  • That is what I am talking about, Hopefully Singer or whoever, will put a black mutant who won't die first in a horrible lame way or become a traitor hooker/stripper. Horrible movie.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Blatant rascism???

    by Norman Colson

    I think the movie was set in the 60's it was meant to be like that. Also there was alot of fascism in the movie too. nazi hunting parts anyone. but that's what the x-men's strongest themes was racisim, oppression, bigotry.... The only rascist part was when shaw offended the black guy even though that was part of his character him being a former nazi and all... but im sure him working with azazel mr. devil bright red ass himself changed his opinions. lol.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 8:54 p.m. CST


    by DavidBanner

    DIRECTOR THAN SINGER. Really was looking forward to this. I thought First Class was the best of the X-Men movies by far. X2 was good because of Jackman as Wolverine. In fact, he was the only reason really (along with Patrick Stewart) to see the other X-Men movies.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Singers fight scenes suck.

    by Mone

    An Xmen movie with lack luster ass fight scenes is like a good comic book story with bad art. siiiigh, at least Superman isn't his to ruin anymore.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST

    *at least Superman isn't his to ruin anymore*

    by Ribbons

    I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that Singer had "ruined" a franchise that had been in the toilet for 23 years and hadn't even had a sequel for 19 years. Whatever you beef with Superman Returns is, it is *at least* the third-best film in that franchise (and I would rank it higher than that). Faint praise, I know, and plenty of criticism it gets is legitimate, but it rankles me whenever people get so swept up in the Singer-bashing that they claim he "ruined" the series.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Singer's fight scenes do suck...

    by Norman Colson

    I mean when your young and dont know any better. there oh my god that's fucking insane. but when you read xmen comics. it's supposed to be balls to the walls insane. when you look back at the video and watch x3 you feel like meh. i mean wolverine vs sabretooth in the first movie for what it's worth could have been a whole lot meaner, tougher, darker than what it was...

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Piss off Singers fight scenes suck

    by Logan_1973

    Wolvie vs. Deathstrike?

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 9:12 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    I'm pretty sure the fact that Darwin was black was incidental. They killed him *because* his power was that he was unkillable (which, yes, makes your head hurt if you think about it too much), not because Matthew Vaughn hates black people so much that he wanted to make a black character who couldn't be killed and then kill him because take that. Darwin, by the way, was taken from the comics. People talk about the subtle racism of horror films --minorities and deviants getting the shank first or at least not making it to the end -- and I wouldn't disagree with them as far as that goes, but in this case I really do think it was a (unfortunate) coincidence.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Singer's "fight scenes" are a little lame...

    by Ribbons

    ...but there is no better set-piece in the entire series than the attack on the school in the middle of X2.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 9:18 p.m. CST

    As for Singer/Vaughn...

    by Ribbons

    ...I would give Vaughn the edge if pressed to make a choice (even though I think First Class is weaker than X2 due to pacing issues), but I certainly wouldn't mind seeing either of them at the helm. Basically see marquis de side 3's post farther up the thread.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST


    by Bearded Clam

    I know I'm in the minority but X2, that little kid talking in prof x's ear makes me cringe its so terrible. Why would anyone watch that movie twice? I really like new class the best of all but mostly for fassbender who makes my pants tight. McAvoys Austin Powers "groovies" 5x in 3 minutes was one of the worst things of all time though. All this said, I'm of course in for Wolverine and DOFP.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 9:29 p.m. CST

    And the "homosexual agenda"...

    by Ribbons non-existent. Certain scenes take advantage of the parallels between homophobia and mutant panic, certainly (most obviously Iceman's "coming-out" scene), but there's no "in-your-face" agenda in any of the films. It's possible that Bryan Singer is more keenly aware of the outsider status of the characters due to the fact that he's gay (and adopted), but the agenda ends there. The bottom line is that the series was invented as a response to prejudice and will always traffic in those themes, which is part of what makes them some of the more interesting and relevant comic books and comic book movies regardless of the decade. Characters like Magneto have roots in the Holocaust. Characters like Mystique have roots in the Civil Rights Movement. Characters like Rogue have roots in the Women's Liberation Movement. And characters like Pyro are just archetypal outsiders. The series takes advantage of all these things, and it's stronger for it. The only reason douchebags like gk1 think there's a "homosexual agenda" is because he knows that the director is gay and he doesn't like that. Otherwise this bullshit wouldn't even be an issue.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Darwin unkillable...

    by Norman Colson

    I dont think so... His powers had limits and only seemed like externally you couldnt kill him. but internally. you saw his body kept adapting, and trying to figure out how to stop the energy, and turned to stone but the power was too much. it made sense if you thought about it afterwards... Most characters are like that. externally powerful but inside weak... and truthfully any mutant no matter how powerful or all knowing can be killed... Even apocalypse can die... and he knows that.

  • *He cannot direct action *He was ashamed of and embarrassed by the material, and thus made it as drab, bland and 'realistic' as possible. The X-Men is not a 'realistic' comic - it's a wild, colorful book full of ideas and rich characters. *He dragged it down with a single overbearing gay metaphor (which I found patronizing as a gay fan) that he hit over and over, eschewing any other kind of nuance or inner life *He miscast key roles, underplayed their parts in the script, and then it was basically a bunch of mid-range actors in black kung fu fighting on cheap sets, cheap aqueducts, cheap sewers for a shoestring budget that he made look like a SyFy movie. Nothing substantial. Bryan Singer does fine with suspense, and he crafts beautiful visual spectacle. But he cannot direct action. Superman Returns proved that. It's what feels like 3 hours of bad casting, Kevin Spacey mugging, gorgeous vistas of deadbeat dad Superman lifting things and then getting gaybashed like Matthew Shepard. I'm sure Singer felt he was being real edgy going there almost 10 years after the fact and plopping it into a Superman movie where James Marsden is the hero and Superman spends part of the third act in a hospital bed. Superman Returns was sheer self-indulgence on Singer's part and it was still deathly boring. That says it all. He excused it by saying it was "a love letter to Richard Donner," because of course he couldn't possibly be so uncool as to care more about SUPERMAN. Matthew Vaughn turned First Class into a top notch affair on par with the modern superhero films (despite Singer, Ratner and co. mangling virtually all of the core X-Men characters) because he not only took the material seriously, he celebrated it and made it look like what it was - a flashy, gorgeous, exciting comic book with heart and ideas and fantastic actors giving fantastic performances on a budget that he made look quality. I just hope to God he comes back, or someone else steps in to make sure Singer follows the man's lead.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 9:37 p.m. CST

    @ ccchhhrrriiisssmredux

    by Judge Briggs

    You are such a fucking douchebag. Who the fucks says: Vaugh is so much better than Singer! Plus, I really do not want to see any more homosexual undertones in this film. I have seen you make other homophobic comments in other talkbacks ... sounds like you secretly lust for a big cock in your mouth. So fuck you, you homophobe.

  • He was all ready to get to work on the script he helped create with Jamie Moss when WB decided Jack The Giant Killer wasn't far along enough in development for Singer to bugger off to Fox and sent him back to the salt mines. Sadly, Singer apparently wasn't there to talk Vaughn off the ledge a second time (lest we all forget Vaughn walked away from First Class early on and then came back after some producerly buffering on Singer's part). <P> Hell, maybe Vaughn will do an about face again. He wasn't terribly fond of having to literally have to shoot and edit and deliver awesome product on the fly all the way to the release date, so maybe he was hoping for more room on this one and Fox was hoping they could just do a repeat (despite the epic scale of this story) and call it done? <P> Or maybe this is part of some larger plan to reset the X-Men films at Fox with Millar, Vaughn, and Lauren Shuler Donner all part of this chain of events, commencing with the act of reinstalling Singer at the helm of the franchise with DoFP essentially serving as both sequel to First Class and X4?<P> I can't help but think some of the latter may be likely.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Choose To Produce First Class "INSTEAD" That Is.....

    by ShadowVoyd


  • Oct. 25, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Without singer we might not have had an Xmen film.

    by Norman Colson

    Why the fucking hate... ? I dont give a shit he's gay, I dont care his fight scenes suck (which they kinda did in hindsight) To me it was a watchable xmen film. Now Vaughn who did first class was awesome. He knew exactly what to do. and everything fell into place. the cast, the music, storyline. it worked. and fassbender as magneto. damn scary as fuck and a sad moral cautionary tale too. because we all knew erik no matter how good charles thought he was, was gonna end up being evil. Same thing with darth vader...

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Vaughn is beginning to sound like he's trouble to work with

    by D.Vader

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST

    X2, definitely the best

    by D.Vader

    Saying X3 is better is just.... foolish.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST

    X2>X3 QFT...

    by Norman Colson

    anything less would be uncivilied!

  • The costumes are blue and yellow as well, because fuck it, lets take it back it the original.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Thank god Hugh Jackman is aging well...

    by MCVamp

    So we don't have issues like Roger Moore looking like present-day Donald Trump during "A VIEW TO A KILL."

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST

    No offence but Super Returns is the worst.

    by DavidBanner

    I think Singer is a good director, who wholeheartedly wanted to make a great Superman movie, but it didn't work. But Superman 2 -4 and especially Superman The Movie and the Donner cut of 2 are superior to Superman Returns for many reasons, but number one would be Christopher Reeve.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 11:01 p.m. CST

    First Class wasn't that good anyway.

    by John Brennick

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Fuck Singer

    by RocketFuckingMan

    I want Vaughn...

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST

    So it will be tinted blue and they'll be hanging in wires a lot.

    by DidntPullOutInTimeCop

    Singer's x-movies were good cause that was all we had. FUX.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 11:08 p.m. CST

    So many things to respond to

    by oisin5199

    Ribbons - right on! been a while. Yours is the best description of the metaphorical nature of the X-men and the bullshit of the "gay agenda" complaint. the marquis de side 3 - I couldn't disagree more. Singer's characters and actors had waaaay more depth and range (and were better written). Fassbender and Laurence did well with what they had, McAvoy was ok but just wasn't very interesting. The rest were paper-thin. Jackman, Stewart, McKellen, even Paquin and Marsden had incredible moments of character depth, sometimes even with just one line. The toad line - I still place the blame for that on Halle Berry (and Singer for not directing her better). Whedon has said that the line was supposed to be said flippantly instead of dramatically. Then again, maybe Berry had it right because the line doesn't really fit Storm's character. Bad combo. theobserver - I don't think your info on Singer is accurate. Originally, Singer wanted to do X3 as totally focusing on Dark Phoenix, following up on what he built in the previous film, but Rothman and the idiots at Fox rejected the original script and went for the hodge-podge that became X3. Finally, I'm not going to get back into the whole Superman Returns mess. But one flawed film does not negate Singer's entire resume. I just think that some mistakes were made with the film, but it's nowhere near the disaster most of you claim, especially the incredibly stupid "stalker" complaint. Singer's return to the franchise can only be a good thing.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST


    by gk1

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Fuck that

    by Nerd Rage

    Superman Returns IS a disaster. Watch it back to back with Superman (78) and tell me it's not a complete insult.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Holy shit did you guys hear Arnold is doing Conan again??

    by Fries Against

    Good job staying on topic, queers.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 11:43 p.m. CST


    by Holeman

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Let's all just hope this fails.

    by Holeman

    So the rights revert back to Marvel.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST

    ANOTHER X-Men movie? Shit, give it a rest already.

    by jawsfan

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Singer.. Uggh. Just reboot with a new vision

    by nexxus7

    Singer has been riding X2 for more than a decade after. Sure it was a good X flick, but what else has he directed since? Oh yeah, Superflop Returns. Fox should end the entire Bryan Singer association with the X-Men franchise. At this point I wouldn't be surprised to see them reboot with something more akin to Avengers. While critically successful and a good movie, XFC only did passable box office. I doubt DoFP will do much better simply because it will never have be able to exploit the colorful larger than life superheros, dazzling palette, and kinetic fun of Avengers while mired in the Singer look and tone. The sticking point is the actors returning. Fassbender and Lawrence are both hot right now. I think if one or both of them were to drop out that would effectively kill the movie. I doubt Fox would like the rights revert back, but it would give them a clear path to either come up with a new direction or negotiate with Disney/Marvel for a co-production.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 12:03 a.m. CST

    I'm good with this. Should make up for MOCKINGBIRD LANE...

    by Lord Elric

    Seriously, that was one of those "It seemed like a great idea at the time" things that just. Well, go watch it and decide. X-MEN is in good hands...

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Doesn't matter. Kinberg is still writing it.

    by Larry Sellers

    I'm more worried that Simon Kinberg has written another by-the-numbers bullshit script. I really don't like this guy. Him and Zak Penn. Fuck these guys. Seriously.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST


    by Pablo

    Singer ruined Superman! FACT!

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 12:16 a.m. CST


    by thegrayghost

    Well said! As much as I enjoyed X2, it was good not great. First Class is hands down the best of the X series. Superman Returns was so damn dull and depressing.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 12:33 a.m. CST

    @ judge briggs: There is nothing "HOMOPHOBIC" with...

    by Chris Moody

    ...not wanting a gay director to turn a comic book into an allegory about homosexuality. And, there is nothing "homophobic" about knowing that "marriage" is between one man and one woman. There is nothing "homophobic" about holding moral, religious, cultural or social norms or mores that do not accept homosexuality. After all, no one is "afraid" of homosexuality. Some people just think it is gross. And, of course, it is contrary to the views of many people -- no matter how much the media and ideologues (such as yourself) try to thrust it down our throats. In this sense, I will not pay to have Bryan Singer PREACH (subtly or overtly) that anyone who doesn't flat out accept his beliefs about the matter -- despite the moral, religious, cultural or social (and even scientific) beliefs that others hold. So, get over yourself.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Studios are fleeing the flop-poison of comic book movies.

    by Nintendarth

    DREDD has DESTROYED the industry for serious comic book movies.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Fassbender was the only good thing about first class.

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    Other than Jenn Lawrence slinking about. The rest looked liked 90's teen drama characters in a horribly realized 60's setting.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 3:58 a.m. CST

    ... I'd kind of like him to fix X3...

    by bubcus

    ...I loved X-Men 2. Loved it. X-men 3 didn't thrill me... except Shadowcat vs Juggernaut which was fantastic. I know she's way too young for me, but I couldn't help but crush over Ellen Page. Anyhow.... Great news on Singer but I've been nervous about him since Superman Returns. Loved Routh, didn't care for rest of the film. Ah well.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 4:40 a.m. CST

    Singer's X2 Nightcrawler opening is the best

    by Scott Sullivan


  • Oct. 26, 2012, 5:31 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    Yeah at this point there is still enough good in the Fox X franchise that I'd rather see it steered back on course to bigger and better things from where X3 and XO:W nearly derailed it (and for many DID derail it) I actually don't think even a rebooted timeline is needed, I'd rather see a Terminator1 style 'what happened always happened' type approach to timetravel And as some have pointed out before me the continuity in the comics is just as dodgy as in the films, so I can forgive XO:W and X3 their failings provided that the films are all or mostly solid moving forward.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Halle Berry's bad toad line + the best line of the movie

    by Rebel Scumb

    Someone was telling me that the way the line was meant to be delivered was like a non-chalant whedonesque type 'the same thing that happens to everyone else' shrug of the shoulders type moment, which while still not great dialogue at least works. But apparently Halle Berry feeling she was an important actress thought the line needed to be delivered with gravitas and deadly serious for an ACTING MOMENT, which is why it comes across so flat and bad. Not sure if that's true or not, but it sounds plausible. It is still bad but hey whatever, its followed by the BEST line in the movie in my opinion when Storm walks into frame and we think Wolverine is actually mystique, then he turns around and guts her and says 'your not part of the group' but then it turns out Storm is mystique. Great misdirect, and it all works because the shot comes immediately after Halle walks away from frying toad

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 5:37 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    that's because there is NO reason not to accept other people

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 5:48 a.m. CST

    re: superman

    by Rebel Scumb

    I agree that movie is not great, but I would argue that Superman is just not that interesting a character to begin with (to me anyways) and very hard to make accessible to people of today without drastically changing the character, which would in effect destroy the iconography which is the one big thing Supes has going for him. I think superman is important to the roots of superheros, but an invincible man with basically limitless powers who also has NO personality flaws is a very hard character to make interesting conflict for. Its of another era, and in some ways I think should just be left as a legend of yesteryear

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 5:52 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    then why be a fan of Xmen at all, since the entire point is about people fighting against people like you who can't accept people who are different than themselves?

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 5:52 a.m. CST

    No big loss...

    by Darkness

    I actually found "First Class" rather empty and lacking depth. Not bad, but totally forgettable; there hasn't been a decent X-flick since "X2". And i can't see this new X-men flick and "The Wolverine" being anything but mediocre on their debuts. Although as always you always get a stand alone performance from Fassbender, which is what gave "First Class" it's credibility, just like he did with "Prometheus". Maybe Bryan Singer might consider retaking the chair

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Fan of Vaughn, but Singer something to prove

    by the__natural74

    I think because of Singer's major involvement with "First Class", this isn't anything to worry about if he's officially put back in the director's chair. Vaughn earned so much respect from me with "Kick-Ass" and again with "First Class", so in many ways this IS disappointing. But I think Singer has something to prove after "Superman Returns", and he'll execute the collective plan for "DOFP" as intended. Singer has been more involved with X-Men than any other director/producer since the comic genre returned with integrity to Hollywood in '98. Nolan in the Batman universe is right behind Singer in terms of involvement on one hero/project, but now Singer has the advantage of hindsight to see the great things Nolan has done too. "DOFP" has all the potential in the world. Singer knows the stakes, but also what fans expect.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Get over yourself, Chhrrriisssmm

    by D.Vader

    Since you obviously miss the point of the X-Men stories to begin with.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Ccchhhrrriiisssmmm - Spoken like a true homophobe.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Congratulations. Your prejudice will be duly noted in the annals of history.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 9:36 a.m. CST


    by Judge Briggs

    You make these sort of fucking comments all the time. Always a fucking conspiracy about gay this or that. Fuck you and your homophobic outlook on life, you shithead. Do you realize that when you write that sort of shit, there may be kids out there who are struggling internally about coming out? Some of those kids end up committing suicide because they can't bear the pressure anymore ... It happens all the time. Your remarks should be saved for right-wing forums ... not talking about the X-Men movies ...

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Where the hell did Singer get the idea to cram a gay agenda in X-Men anyway?

    by The Garbage Man

    50 years of comic books about a group of young adults who discovered, as they reached sexual maturity, that they were different than seemingly everyone else around them? Discovered that the way they looked, felt, acted made them outcasts in a world where normal people hated and feared them? 50 years of this group being called freaks and degenerates just because of how they were born? 50 years of extremely fit young (mostly) men spending a lot of time dressing in tight, revealing clothing, occasionally wrestling together in their Danger Room, who all live together in one big fabulous house presided over by a middle-aged bachelor? 50 years of comics whose CENTRAL THEME is that a minority group shouldn't be made outcasts from society simply because they were born different from the majority? Nothin' gay 'bout that.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Preach it, Garbage Man

    by D.Vader

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST

    garbage man just crushed the conservative christ-tard

    by golden tribw

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    The Garbage Man

    by Mr. Nice Gaius


  • Oct. 26, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    You guys are against bullies?

    by bobbofatz

    Well my little Xmen you are piling on and bullying Ccchrisss for a belief he has. Who are being intolerant? Some people think anal sex is off putting. Just like some think F-ing animals or children is messed up. Chris never said he hated gays.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    @ bobbofatz

    by Judge Briggs

    Dude- he makes these comments ALL the time ...always with some sort of nonsense about gay or liberal agenda in tv and movies ... It's ridiculous.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    @ bobbofatz

    by Judge Briggs

    Also, please don't equate fucking animals or children ... it's EXTREMELY insulting to people in the LGBT community ...

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST


    by bobbofatz

    It may be ridiculous to you and a lot of others. But there are a lot of left leaning folks on here. He just adds a little balance from my point of view. For me, I do not care who or what you fuk as long as it is not children.

  • I support the LGBT community. I'm a card carrying member of the HRC. Signed, MISTER Douchebag

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 1:18 p.m. CST

    @ bobbofatz

    by Judge Briggs

    Lol ... I don't care either who ppl fuck ... ha Chrisredux loves to troll with his stupid ass comments ... believe me, this isn't the first time he's made ridiculous comments. I am just calling him out. ; )

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    BobboFatz, you think he's being bullied?

    by D.Vader

    He's a grown man. He can take it. He understands it.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 4:51 p.m. CST

    ccchhhrrriiisssmredux doesn't like the word homophobe

    by oisin5199

    Frankly, I don't either. I don't think it's an accurate term in most cases. I say we replace it with a more accurate term. How about "small-minded, bigoted asshole"? Does that work for everybody? If so, we should always use that term instead of homophobe.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu


  • Oct. 26, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Bottom Line Up Front: I'm Okay With Singer.

    by Sithtastic

    Near as I can tell, Bryan Singer understands the concept of descrimination, which is what X-Men has been about since its inception. The specific groups may change, but the theme remains the same. Having said this, being okay with Singer does not mean I think he walks on water. X2 was nothing short of phenomenal, if only for all the promise it laid for the its sequel (based on "God Loves, Man Kills", it was a good story, but a dozen others made my short list before that). In Singer's hands it would have been just fine. Instead, he was lured away for a Superman film which he himself admits was a misfire. I'm hoping that a decade after X2, Singer still has it. I know he can understand characters, he just needs to nail the story. This will be his chance.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 5 p.m. CST

    X2 is not the best

    by Keith

    The first is the best. X2 is great for the first two acts, but the final act is *terrible*. Plus the film is a bit of a rip-off of Wrath of Khan. (Not that this is a terrible thing, but...)

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST

    As for First Class 2

    by Keith

    I just want to see more Magneto. More more more. He has always been the best character in the X-Men universe, and Fassbender's portrayal in First Class was the shit. In many ways I felt that First Class rushed to its Shakespearean tragedy, tie-it-all-up ending. Understandable given that they weren't confident it would succeed, but I really felt that it would have been fantastic if the cracks had shown in the first story but the alliance would not be severed until a darker second installment.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Arnold is returning as Conan, AICN.

    by DocPazuzu

    Get on the fucking ball.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Always makes me smile...

    by RMA

    ...when people refuse to tolerate homosexuality because of their religion...and then expect everyone to tolerate their religious beliefs. Ignorance is ignorance, regardless of what you believe makes the sun shine down on us all... To blame your refusal to tolerate (not accept...tolerate) gay marriage on your religion is nonsense - never heard anyone say they're against a man and a woman marrying in any other religion or outside of the church and surely this would be just as much "against your beliefs" as a gay marriage? Of course it's homophobia dressed up in nice, WASP-ish clothes to try and give it some credibility...I'd love to hear your arguments as to how it's not...

  • their desperate attempt to feel "smug" over anyone who disagrees with them. It is the homosexual (and "politically correct") equivalent of calling someone else a gay slur. In reality, homosexual activists are some of the biggest bigots that I have ever known. They cannot tolerate anyone who will not allow them to have their way with legislated morality in America.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 5:48 p.m. CST

    BTW, rma:

    by Chris Moody

    I am an educated black man. I am not a "WASP." And, of course, most black men and women oppose the goals of homosexual activism. Are you going to slur all of us and call us "homophobes?"

  • No one is arguing against that point. They are simply arguing whether or not he should be doing it with comic book films.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST

    DocPaz... AICN reported on Conan yesterday... ?

    by D.Vader

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Homophobe is used to describe someone who doesn't like gays...

    by D.Vader

    Or think they should have equal rights. Just as racists are used to describe someone who does not like people outside his race... or think they should have equal rights. I'd say the description is apt. And it has NOTHING to do with trying to be "smug", Chrrrisssssm, and you do yourself a COMPLETE disservice by attempting to even defend yourself in that manner, by shaming the other side. "Legislated morality". Look in the mirror.

  • The Usual Suspects, Superman Returns, Valkyrie, and X-Men 1 have not been turned into "homosexual allegory". You are reaching. I will most definitely argue against that point. Whether or not "he should be doing it with comic book films" is completely off the mark considering THIS comic book series is ALL ABOUT minorities and discrimination against them. Refusing to accept that or even address the arguments against you on this topic (re: The Garbage Man and others) shows you don't have much of a real argument here in the first place.

  • "Equal to a gay slur", you really are full of it.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST

    So they did, d.vader...

    by DocPazuzu

    I am now officially "that guy"...

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Cue the trombone sound, DocPaz

    by D.Vader

    Wohhhh wooooooooooohhh...

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    why homophobe is the perfect term

    by Rebel Scumb

    because the only reason a person would be concerned that gays or gay rights would some how damage their religion, love for their children, morals or values is if they are afraid that somehow these things are at risk to begin with. There's no reason at all to care about other people's life styles, provided they are consenting adults unless you somehow feel that being around them will change you, which A) only matters any ways if you consider it negative, so its a circular argument, but more importantly B) because you believe there is a very real risk that you will somehow be overwhelmed with gay desire if you are around them, which pretty much shuts the book on it. The psychology of someone making this big a stink about it is just so readily apparent Singer doesn't really have much of the way of gay stuff in his films anyways, other than the fact he produced MILK. The Fast & The Furious is about 100 times more homoerotic than all the xmen flicks put together. And apparently those few in this thread complaining so much about singer, gays and gays agendas have still seen all of these movies and I'm sure will continue to see them so for something that offends them so much they sure seem fixated on it.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 8:01 p.m. CST

    great post The Garbage Man

    by Rebel Scumb

    d.vader and others as well. Perhaps there is some hope for the world after all.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I would think if you are black then you have likely at one time or another had to deal with discrimination head on, which makes it all the more mind boggling you would ever want that to happen to anyone else.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST

    X2 has not aged well. I used to like it but really nothing happens

    by chien_sale

    in that movie. It's very overrated. After the X-Men find the threat, they go to Wolverine's old experiment based and they walk a lot.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 10:14 p.m. CST

    What's funny about the garbage man's post

    by Johnno

    Is that his idea of homosexuals is the equivalent to the pseudo 'scientific' bullshit from the funny books! Time to deal with reality bud. But I agree that if any comic book series is apt as a vehicle for immoral people to shove a non-existent 'rights' cause, because they're too cowardly and lazy to help people with an abnormal problem that is harmful to them and want to seem all cool and progressive and better evolved superheroish than those there villinous heterofags, it's X-Men!

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 10:20 p.m. CST

    And Johnno has now been disqualified.

    by D.Vader

  • Oct. 27, 2012, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Marvel Comics has frequently addressed bigotry

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    in its various forms in it's storylines, however awkwardly or successfully, since the late 60's, early 70's. It is wholly appropriate to continue this in the movies. Here's an early example from the Fantastic Four: LGBT themes have been either ignored or mostly poorly handled over the decades in comics, so it is welcome if it were true that that is part of what we are seeing in the X-Men movies, but the hate they are experiencing is meant to applicable to various forms of bigotry.

  • Oct. 27, 2012, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Homosexuality is not the same as racism

    by GreatOne4

    Race is an immutable characterisitc of a human being defined by skin color and culture. Homosexuality is a behavior. <p> Being from a different race is perfectly normal. Homosexuality is an aberrant behavior that has been gaining social acceptance due to (a) intentional shoving down our throats by Hollywood producers (such as with The Real World, for example); and (b) Left-wing judges shoving it down our throats by making up the law and creates "rights" that heretofore never existed (such as with Massachusetts, Iowa, etc.).<p> Homosexual behavior is a developmental behavioral disorder. In other words, it exists only exists because of a problem in how a child was raised, either because of being molested, poor parental/peer relationships, etc. No different than why people become child molesters, get on drugs, etc. Something wrong is going on inside their heads, something very powerful that typically counseling will not overcome. It is not genetic, and it is not there when one exits the womb. <p>Homosexual behavior is not condoned by any of the 3 major reliigions - Christianity, Judaism, or Islam. Hinduism and Buddhism are really philosophies, not religions. While some sects of Christianity and Judaism have publicly condoned homosexual behavior, those decisions are based off political ideology, not the discovery of some profound theological discovery. They've become just as corrupt as the rest of society.<p>Too bad, so sad. People who want the normalization of this behavior is still in the minority, and will be for some time, if not always.

  • Oct. 27, 2012, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Homosexuality is not the same as racism

    by GreatOne4

    Race is an immutable characterisitc of a human being defined by skin color and culture. Homosexuality is a behavior. Being from a different race is perfectly normal. Homosexuality is an aberrant behavior that has been gaining social acceptance due to (a) intentional shoving down our throats by Hollywood producers (such as with The Real World, for example); and (b) Left-wing judges shoving it down our throats by making up the law and creates "rights" that heretofore never existed (such as with Massachusetts, Iowa, etc.). Homosexual behavior is a developmental behavioral disorder. In other words, it exists only exists because of a problem in how a child was raised, either because of being molested, poor parental/peer relationships, etc. No different than why people become child molesters, get on drugs, etc. Something wrong is going on inside their heads, something very powerful that typically counseling will not overcome. It is not genetic, and it is not there when one exits the womb. Homosexual behavior is not condoned by any of the 3 major reliigions - Christianity, Judaism, or Islam. Hinduism and Buddhism are really philosophies, not religions. While some sects of Christianity and Judaism have publicly condoned homosexual behavior, those decisions are based off political ideology, not the discovery of some profound theological discovery. They've become just as corrupt as the rest of society. Too bad, so sad. People who want the normalization of this behavior is still in the minority, and will be for some time, if not always.

  • That poor giraffe, penguin, duck, fruit fly, ape... just didn't get enough love from mom and dad.

  • Oct. 27, 2012, 6:32 a.m. CST

    "Hinduism is really a philosophy, not a religion"

    by D.Vader

    Take that Ganesh!

  • Oct. 27, 2012, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Loving someone is a behavior

    by D.Vader

    Hey you, stop loving that person so much!

  • Oct. 27, 2012, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Agree and disagree

    by bobbofatz

    These minute issues are what have been dividing us for aeons. Does any of this talk of gay, straight or Xmen matter in the scheme? Does anybody really give a shit in the end? It is much easier to control the easily distracted.

  • Oct. 27, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST

    d.vader - stop making arguments commiserate with a 2 year old

    by GreatOne4

    The fact that animals do communicate and have interpersonnel relationships on the same scale as human beings supports the argument against "they were born that way." Sexuality is primarily for reproduction, and human beings are among the few animals engage in sexual intercourse solely for pleasure. Additionally, the same sex coupling in the animal kingdom primarily occurs in the males. Shocking that males of other species are just looking for a place to "stick it." Simply put, if it were genetic, it would have been weeded out of existence already. And with the large number of animals that also exhibit homosexual behavior, if it was genetic, scientists would have found some evidence to support that assertion. But they haven't (hint: because it doesn't exist). Unfortunately, because of the bullying of people on your side of the issue, along with the overly simplistic arguments, there is not a proper conversation in this country for people to understand why homosexual behavior is not good for society and should not be normalized.

  • Also disqualified.

  • Oct. 27, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    This TB doesn't seem to be working anymore

    by D.Vader

    Nothing will post, no matter how many times I reload this page and try again. I bet in an hour, all 12 copies will just suddenly appear. Bullsquash.

  • Oct. 27, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Oh wait, THAT works?

    by D.Vader


  • Oct. 27, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    No matter how I type this response to GreatOne...

    by D.Vader

    It just won't post... But other posts will. This is bizarre.

  • After all, the mutants are born that way. And if you think being gay is a choice, then there's no agenda to push, is there?

  • Oct. 27, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST

    BTW, that's not the response to GreatOne

    by D.Vader

    Everything I've typed in response just won't work. I'm giving up there. But I'd like for him to explain how homosexuality hurts society. And I also find it weird he admits homosexuality exists in animals but its still a choice for humans.

  • MOCKINGBIRD LANE. Hopefully, the cage doors of TVdom will snap shut and we won't see him working in Hollywood again. I expect the poor showing and massive loss ($10 million on the pilot) from MOCKINGBIRD LANE will also spell doom for Bryan Fuller getting more work. We can only hope.

  • Oct. 27, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    d. vader, there is absolutely a gay agenda.

    by Nintendarth

    It's about NORMALIZING homosexuality. For instance, notice how many people talk about how gayness exists in animals as if to suggest that it indicates NORMAL behavior for PEOPLE? Well, animals also tear each other to pieces when they get into a disagreement sometimes. Is that normal, too? I don't think so. Lemmings commit suicide by leaping off high places (sometimes with Disney's help!). Does that seem like a typical, normal and acceptable behavior to you? Would you advocate special time in kindergarten so we can explain to kids that some people like to live a long time, but some people like to kill themselves early by jumping off high places, and that's just how they're born so hey, it's ok, and if you feel like jumping off a tall building, kids, then, hey, that's ok because it's your choice? I certainly don't want that taught in class. Did you know that a MASSIVE homosexual lobby petitioned the American Association of Psychiatrics to reclassify homosexuality OUT of being a mental disorder while sodomy laws decided by courts still existed? At the time, many doctors opposed it and wanted it kept as a medical illness of the mind, but lobby-fans took the money and reclassified it as NOT a disease. The collapse of sodomy laws soon followed. Were you aware that gay rights groups work very hard to remind everyone that gay men who assault young boys somehow aren't really gay in order to avoid the stigma that most pedophiles are homosexual? That way they can skew statistics to say that a male-on-male sexual assault ISN'T homosexual in nature, even though it's two males, and by excluding those statistics can then say that the majority of assaults on boys are not committed by gay men, because men who do that supposedly aren't gay? Likewise, it's about reframing the conversation into new directions. Consider: maybe the reason young people who are gay are killing themselves and going into drugs and alcohol at a higher rate is because they're MENTALLY ILL and being told there's nothing they can do to change their behavior and should just accept the life ahead of them? Ever think that misery is what leads them to do it? Christ, d. vader.

  • Oct. 27, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Nintendarth, I had to disregard everything you just typed

    by D.Vader

    Because we're talking about the so-called "gay agenda" in the X-Men films, not in society.

  • Oct. 27, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST

    The films mirror the agenda, d. vader

    by Nintendarth

    They're about seeing people not as having an illness or being a menace to society but instead being loving caring heroes. So it's the same thing as everything I typed. Part of the same problem. The quest for normalization. America's waking up to it, too. Consider: Romney is fucking up CONSTANTLY and yet continues to gain the polls, because people want ANYONE but the President who's in the pocket of the gays.

  • Oct. 27, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    So the movies only apply to gay people, Nintendarth?

    by D.Vader

    And this is wholly different from the comics? And leave the Presidential politics out of this. Romney and Obama have no fucking place in this discussion.

  • Oct. 27, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST

    If anyone is mentally ill, it's you, Nintendarth

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Holy fuck. I've never seen such ignorance and bigotry on AICN. And that's saying something. Seriously. When did this site become the destination of choice for such warped, delusional, conservative shitbirds?!?!

  • Oct. 27, 2012, 8 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    We're about through the looking glass here. Not since the days of Zfisk/Homewrecker, Equinas, or Jar Jar 4 Prez have I seen such pathetic displays of humanity. It's a further blight on this already piece of shit site.

  • What's incorrect in what I said? Anyone? Care to claim anything I said is false?

  • Oct. 28, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST

    X Men 2 is better than Avengers

    by pumaman

    The best superhero movie made so far

  • Oct. 29, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Sure Nintendarth, just ignore everything I last typed

    by D.Vader