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During tonight’s foreign policy debate in Boca Raton, I fully expect Gov. Mitt Romney to complain about President Barack Obama appeasing and apologizing to every one of our nation’s enemies. Then I expect Obama to beat Romney about the head and neck with the drippy skull of Osama Bin Laden.

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  • Oct. 22, 2012, 5:47 a.m. CST

    Where is the head of Osama bin Laden?

    by FitnaTheForbiddenMovie

    He'd have to produce it first, and he can't. So there's that.

  • It seems unfair that he has to debate about foreign policy tonight when it's obvious that his middle east foreign policy is completely unraveling. His diplomatic effort with Iran hasn't worked. The Taliban is in the ascendancy in Afghanistan. Iraq is very unstable. Syria is a hellish mess. Egypt is turning towards Iran as the Muslim Brotherhood's grip on the country tightens. Pakistan is a roiling cauldron of muslim extremists. Libya is in a virtual state of civil war where the necessary security for an American ambassador was not provided. And al queda is flowering all over the middle east. Then, President Obama gets endorsed by Chavez, Castro, and Putin - 3 of the nastiest dictators in the world. He doesn't want their endorsement right before the foreign policy debate. It isn't fair! I say it isn't fair because President Obama laid out his grand vision for the middle east in his big speech in Cairo. I was so hopeful that his words would heal old wounds and bring peace to the world, but we've seen the middle east become even more violent and more unstable and more dangerous. President Obama's vision has come crashing down. And now he's supposed to defend his foreign policies in a debate? How on earth is can he do that? His foreign policies are in tatters. It just isn't fair!

  • It seems unfair that he has to debate about foreign policy tonight when it's obvious that his middle east foreign policy is completely unraveling. His diplomatic effort with Iran hasn't worked. The Taliban is in the ascendancy in Afghanistan. Iraq is very unstable. Syria is a hellish mess. Egypt is turning towards Iran as the Muslim Brotherhood's grip on the country tightens. Pakistan is a roiling cauldron of muslim extremists. Libya is in a virtual state of civil war where the necessary security for an American ambassador was not provided. And al queda is flowering all over the middle east. Then, President Obama gets endorsed by Chavez, Castro, and Putin - 3 of the nastiest dictators in the world. He doesn't want their endorsement right before the foreign policy debate. It isn't fair! I say it isn't fair because President Obama laid out his grand vision for the middle east in his big speech in Cairo. I was so hopeful that his words would heal old wounds and bring peace to the world, but we've seen the middle east become even more violent and more unstable and more dangerous. President Obama's vision has come crashing down. And now he's supposed to defend his foreign policies in a debate? How on earth is can he do that? His foreign policies are in tatters. It just isn't fair!

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 7:02 a.m. CST

    fight it guys... fight it..

    by JamesT

    Don't make Herc's research for the think tank he works for easy. :)

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 8 a.m. CST

    i_love_lanalang you couldn't be more wrong

    by Chain

    For one thing, if you think the Arab spring was about Obama you're fooling yourself. This has been brewing for decades. As for Obama's "failed" foreign policies you think because he doesn't kiss Bibi's ass that his sanctions on Iran haven't been effective? Israel has illegal nukes. Why should they be able to dictate to any other sovereign country what they can and cannot have? Just because they have the world's mightiest attack dog on a leash? I'm sure Romney having the same neocons on his team as Bush gives you some idea as to what his plans are. If you think things are bad now,wait until Mr Etch a Sketch lets The PNAC crew run the pentagon and state dept again. You young guys better get ready for a draft. Because Iran isn't going to lay there and take it. They'll cause gas prices to soar and attack our bases in Iraq and Afghanistan. Forcing us to put more boots on the ground. But as long as Israel gets what it wants and no Israeli blood and treasure is shed it's all good, right? Oh and Romney thinks Russia is the big threat again. He longs for the return of the cold war and the increases in the defense budget. When that vulture is through with the US no meat will be left on the bones. Then he will leave the US to go be with his money.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST

    and Romney's vision for the Mideast is so much better

    by Mugato5150

    He's already been bought and paid for by Israel, Sheldon Adelson is bragging about that. Romney has no intention of following Obama's time table for getting out of Afghanistan, he has every intention of invading Iran and probably Syria. For all you republican douchebags with your magnetic ribbons on your SUVs, a Romney Presidency means a shitton of dead American soldiers and more money for his cronies, same with Bush.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 8:15 a.m. CST


    by palpster not a dictator. Plus, he could easily beat the crap out of Obama and Romney with one hand tied behind his back. mugato5150 is absolutely right, too. Romney would be even more gung-ho to attack Iran, which would be a disaster of epic proportions.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Energy Independence Means the Mideast Can Fuck Itself

    by Marc Cerasini

    We won't need their oil, but we do need the Keystone Pipeline--something most of the one-percent lickers on this site know nothing about. Well, ignorance is bliss--for Obama.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST

    My post MYSTERIOUSLY vanished so I will post it again

    by Marc Cerasini

    Energy independence means we don't have to worry about the Middle East. They can fucking kill one another. But Obama stopped the Keystone Pipeline, killing our chances for that. Helps Obama's illegal overseas fundraising (see yesterday's NY Times). Unfortunately most of the one-percents on this site never heard of the Keystone Pipeline. Ignorance is bliss for Obama.

  • Someday, I wish a president would tell Israel to fuck off, fight its own wars and quit trying to get the US to fight wars on its behalf.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Debate during MNF...

    by nemov

    This should be a dull affair. A debate on foreign policy when the economy is by far the number one priority. I'll watch it b/c I'm a political junkie, but most people will turn this off halfway through.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST

    hansvonhammer, are you aware....

    by Pitdoc

    .. that the Keystone pipeline is stalled because of TWO things (and they're still building it ANYWAY) 1. The REPUBLICAN governor of Nebraska doesn't want the damn thing going through his state without assurances that if there's a spill ( and there has already been a tar sands oil spill in Michigan that its taken years to clean up ) then Big Oil will pay for it 2. The Repubs in congress wrote into LAW telling him, "You have to decide NOW on this pipeline , or we won't fund unemployment.". So he said, "OK, NO" More importantly , are you ALSO aware that a good majority of the oil that is traveling down through our country , putting OUR ecosystem at risk, is going to China?

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST


    by nemov

    The two senators aren't stopping the pipeline. Obama is on record as opposing the pipeline and he stopped it. The pipeline would create jobs. Something this president should have made a priority.

  • Also, do you realize that the rebels in Syria that Romney wants to arm so badly are Al Qaeada? No. Of course not.

  • ...he's the #1 tr0ll of all talkbacks! 'Please proceed, Governor.' Fuckng pwned. Yes, let's return to the days wonder days of foreign policy that were 2000-2008 ... maybe start a war with Iran? That's a good idea, right you fucking wingnuts? I am sure you'll be the first ones to volunteer to go to war ... or perhaps you'd encourage your children or relatives to enlist to help fight the Persians? Fucking right-wing chickenhawks. Rmoney has 5 sons and not one volunteered for service? Romney get Vietnam deferments because he was spreading the Mormon word in France ... again, fuck him and his chickenhawk view of the world. I really don't think chickenhawks fully comprehend what a war with Iran would entail. It would be ugly ... we're talking thousands of casualities and both sides ... potential use of chemical/biological weapons. Do you really think that Iran doesn't realize that if they developed a nuke and it somehow slipped out their hands or even handed off to a terrorist group that'd they would be facing a regime change on the scale of World War 2? We're talking even the Russians and Chinese would condone such an invasion. Or if a nuke was traced back to Iran - that Israel would hesitate for a moment to unleash unholy hell on Iran? But hey, whatever Obama does, it must be wrong ... so let's go ahead and get more hawkish in foreign policy because the Kenyan Socialist Muslim is doing it all wrong.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST

    hansvonhammer, what pitdoc said.

    by SergeantStedenko

    All the big oil companies who make their money from Middle East oil are backing Romney. Why do you think that is? Because Romney is going to cut into their profits by producing oil at home? No, because they no that he is full of shit and is only giving lip-service to fools like you to get elected. Oh, and that pipeline is owned by Canada and the oil from it is being sold to China as pitdoc correctly noted. Please, do you research before you vote in November. Or better yet, sit this one out since you don't know enough to make an informed decision.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Oh and hint of Romney's FP ...

    by Judge Briggs

    Take a look at how he offended FUCKING GREAT BRITAIN? What kind of tard can offend our closest ally in the world? I mean, you HAVE TO TRY and offend the Brits ... Romney is an absolute joke to everyone in the world ... But hey, after 8 years of Dubya, the world ain't surprised that half of our country could vote for another fucking moron like Romney.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Another war put on the Credit Card.

    by Smerdyakov

    Should double the deficit nicely.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Slight correction, nemov...

    by Frat Boy

    pitdoc said the republican GOVERNOR doesn't want it - which is absolutely true. Also, the people of Nebraska have made their views pretty clear that they also don't want it running through their state.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Not an american. Can someone from the US explain why the FUCK...

    by Ricardo

    ... conservatives support Romney and boycott Ron Paul? Makes no SENSE!

  • I'm pretty sure that President Obama would like to classify the murders of 13 unarmed male and female soldiers at Ft. Hood as terrorism, but, for some reason, he's only been allowed to classify it as "workplace violence". I'm certain he will rectify this obvious mischaracterization ASAP. Also, the rebels in Libya were armed by western governments, and that definitely includes the US. Of course, I'm absolutely certain that President Obama would not have armed them to the teeth if he had known that so many of them were members of Al Queda. It would be an even more horrible tragedy if our embassy staff in Benghazi were attacked with weapons we'd given to the 'rebels'. Obviously, our intelligence community failed President Obama. But, he is a noble President, and I'm sure he won't engage in any finger-pointing. He sets the example, and he will not throw anyone under the bus. He's much too ethical to engage in such behavior. God Bless Our President!

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST


    by Judge Briggs

    Nice GOP talking points... You're quite the scholar of foreign policy, huh? If you're holding Obama to the Benghazi standard- then I am curious to what you think of 9/11 happening on Bush's watch?

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    I love being informed by a bunch of emo neophytes

    by Marc Cerasini

    Judge Briggs: Obama offended Britain when he removed the bust of Churchill from the Oval Office, then gave their PM a set of American Film Institute classics in region 1 DVD. And pleeze. The same "multi-national" oil companies drill here in the US and in the Mid East. Believe me, they would rather drill here. Obama's stated policy is to make oil and gas expensive so we'll buy into his wind and solar bullshit. And where are all those billions in taxpayer funds Obama gave to Solyndra, etc? Stolen by Chicago cronies.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    judge briggs

    by Icarus2004

    Nice Liberal double-talk. You want to blame Benghazi on President Bush like the chosen one does with every single thing he is unable to accomplish? Pathetic! To tell you the truth, if you can not tell the difference between 9/11 and Benghazi, and why the later IS Obama's fault, then you're too far gone. Is not even worth trying to explain it to you. Thank God the american people seem to be awakening from the drunken stupor ol' hope-an'-change managed to put them in, and hopefully we will see a Carter vs Reagan re-enactment in two weeks. There has seldom been such an incompetent in the WH as we have today. Not only has he done evrything possible to sink the economy, but the Middle East has gone up in flames on his watch. Can't wait to see him gone!

  • Sorry, my friend, but it makes ALL kinds of sense. Ron Paul is a nice guy, and very eloquent when he speaks about the Fed and domestic policy. The problem is that when it comes to foreign policy, the guy is an incredible nut-job! Too bad, but we actually need a President that can do both. Specially since, right now, we have one that can do NEITHER. And people SHOULD have known this four years ago. Who could possibly have thought that someone that had NO experience in business WHATSOEVER, not having even run a snow-cone cart, could possibly have any idea what would be good for the economy???!!! No. They hired a leftist idealogue with dreams of what the world SHOULD be (from HIS perspective), but no clue as to how to handle the world, and specially the US, as they are.

  • Not a single poll this year has shown Romney with a lead in Ohio, a state he absolutely must win. Early voting numbers for Obama are huge there, with polls of 'already voted' giving him around a twenty to thirty point edge. Per polling, Ohio even stayed blue in the immediate aftermath of the President's admittedly disastrous first debate performance. No way will it shift to Romney this late in the game. This election will be close, but I think Romney lost Ohio a few months ago. 'Let Detroit go Bankrupt' might have been a good way to curry favor in a GOP primary, but it was not a good starting point for him in the rust belt.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST

    This site really should stay away from politics...

    by MaxHeadroom

    Very few people here have the slightest clue about real life and politics. The official posters are bad enough with their hackneyed "opinions" (they really are just like assholes), but the commenters are generally so damn stupid about politics that they embarrass this site when it all comes up. Stick with what you know. Comic books. movies and other such less important stuff. Leave politics to the adults, won't you?

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST


    by Judge Briggs

    I want to blame Bush for 9/11 ... yep, I sure do ... there is more than enough evidence that supports my argument too that Bush has plenty of warning that al Qaeda was determined to strilke the US yet nothing was done ... no sense of urgency on the behalf of the Bush Admin. I am not saying they ignored evidence, I am saying they were IMCOMPETENT for not taking appropriate action. For you to ignore the evidence is proving that once again, you're living in a bubble in which facts can't get in. What do I know though? I have a Masters of Arts from Johns Hopkins ...SAIS. I am also, by trade, a counterterrorism analyst working within the SOF community. But hey, I know facts have a well-known liberal bias. My colleagues are all all former SEALS and Rangers ... they are as conservative as they come, but shit, even they give credit to the POTUS for his foreign policy. Fact is foreign policy is nuanced ... there are no black and white answers ... but I know that's very difficult to explain to today's GOPer. Bush Sr., Colin Powell, old school GOPers know this ... unfortunately, they were pushed to the side by the today's modern GOPer foreign policy movement that has been hijacked by chickenhawk(shit) neocons who believe that democracy should be shoved down the throats with a barrel of a gun.

  • They said so in so many words. Their only goal was to make Obama a one term President and they obstructed everything he tried to do in order to achieve that. And shitheads like you are actually making this a close race.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    On another note ... Saw Looper and really enjoyed it!

    by Judge Briggs

    Great flick!

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    obligatory political statement of belief

    by Halibut

    Forget everything else: one of these two guys will have at least <i>some</i> say in two to four Supreme Court appointments in the next four years. Ginsburg. Scalia. Kennedy. Breyer. Ginsburg will be 80, the rest in their mid-70s. Think very, very seriously who you want to decide who gets decide stuff like how we end the drug war. Revisit Citizens United. Voting rights. Speech rights. Gun rights. So on.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Nothing is more funny than

    by brobdingnag

    watching people argue over who their slave master will be. My slave master rapes my soul better than yours!

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    txtphle........400,000 is for the repeat of the episode

    by thelordofhell

    The original airing is actually around 1.1 million.......restpectable enough for the SyFyllis Channel to give it a 3rd (and probably final) season. Everyone involved with the show seems to know that a 3rd season is on the way

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    this whole discussion is moot.

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    If the democrats win the jews/israel wins. If the republicans win......why the jews/israel also win! Theyve got all bases covered! Both candidates worship at the altar of aipac and the adl. Both kosher approved organizations. Its just the tactics that differ. Obama would love nothing better than to send the drones into iran. But that would piss off his liberal base. Romney i honestly dont think will approve any aggression against iran. I could be wrong but i honestly feel hes just trying to placate his zionist masters.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Today's Gallup Poll: Romney 51%- Obama 45%

    by Coughlins Laws

    Good luck, fellas!

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    doesn't great businessman = capitalist swindler who pays no tax

    by rakesh patel

    ron paul seems to be the only candidate with a grasp of what's going on. romney is a buffon. a fucking buffon. after 8 years of bush as a president why would you want to go back to another buffon. obama is at least credible if actually able to put policies in place. jesus fucking christ, we are fucked with choices of leader of the free world. the american education system has produced the most amount of idiots susceptible to the most amount of shit quality media leading to the fucking likes of romney as a candidate who would write of 47% of the population and coerce the rest by ensuring their livelihoods are threatened if they don't comply with the voting habit of their ceo. on the flipside obama puts into government the actual banking fuckers who created this whole fucking mess. And we laugh at countries that elect tin pot dictators in the third world. we're all fucked. Dont get old, Dont get sick, Dont get fired.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST

    @coughlins laws

    by Judge Briggs

    Take a look at the internals on the Gallop's polls ... tell me what you see... and then explain why Gallop is lonely in their polling ... look up the word outlier. Besides, it's the swing states that matter- your boy isn't doing too well there.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST


    by Judge Briggs

    Thanks, sweetie. Guess I said something that made you feel good on the inside ...

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    0.4 does not equal 400,000 viewers.

    by Hercules

    It represents 0.4% of the "Nielsen universe." That 0.4 represents the first airing of "Alphas" that night. Total number of viewers of that airing was 1.16 million, or roughly 1/3 of one percent of the U.S. population. Alphas does not perform particularly badly compared to most original scripted series on Syfy these days.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Herc, any word on Last Resort?

    by Judge Briggs

    Think it'll get any additional eps ordered this season?

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Good one, Herc. I don't care what they say about you or how bad far-right conservatives like Jay2517 wants to lick your balls; you're alright.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    I sincerely hope mjs_cold_lifeless_guilty_corpse hasn't procreated

    by Uncle Pooky

    I would *really* hate for that sort of person to pass any genetic material along to the next generation.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST

    I live in ireland...

    by popboy

    where prior to destroying his party, brian cowen handed over our economic sovereignty to the germans. who know run our economic. and the rest of the EU's too. this is what german revenge for world war 2 looks like.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST


    by supergator

    A few points. First of all, I don't come to this site for politics, I come for movie and tv news. Please leave your politics out of it, because honestly it turns me off. Second. I suggest you read Mark Owen's fantastic "No Easy Day," a firsthand account of the mission to kill Osama Bin Laden. In it, you will find that President Obama was more of a hinderer than a helper to the mission. It was all politics for him, and it's explained in detail in the book how not only did he sit on the decision for weeks, months maybe, but his bright idea was to bomb the entire compound, which would have yielded no positive ID on Bin Laden's corpse. And it seems like sunch a no brainer for any president, right? Gee, do I say yes or no to a mission that will kill the greatest terrorist of our generation? I mean, honestly, what does Barack Obama have to do with any of it? The SEALS had to build an entire fake compound in North Carolina and stage a mock mission for the politicians to watch to make a decision. Unreal. So until you know the story, or at least know more about it, I suggest you don't use it as a talking point. And let's not forget, it's Navy SEALS that killed Bin Laden, not Obama. His life was never on the line. The SEALs don't like him, and with good reason. He makes their job much more difficult, which in turn makes us less of a force to be reckoned with. Third. It's a known fact for years that Barack Obama has been trying to shut down Guantanamo Bay. Do you know where the big lead on Bin Laden's whereabouts came from? Guantanamo Bay.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    no ones mentioned the biggest problem with the keystone pipeline

    by jsfithaca

    which is that it runs right over the fucking ogalla aquifer!!! but no, according to republican logic, if something creates jobs nothing bad can come of it! oil spill over our water supply? fuck that were creating jobs! also nice to know how well repubs fear mongering and war propaganda is working. romney's mititary advisory council is made up of people who work for military contractors. if romney is elected people who directly profit off of war will be making foreign policy decisions for our country.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST

    GM alive and UBL is dead?

    by supergator

    Except, GM is floundering and Al Qaeda is thriving. Get this turkey out of office already.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Thought you didn't come here for politics, supergator?

    by Uncle Pooky

    That was a quick turnaround.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Vote for Pris 2012

    by BikerZero

    Pris is my cat, and she will make sure everyone will have tuna...TUNA for everyone!!!! and she will only take payment of cuddles....Pris 2012!!!!

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST


    by supergator

    So, you'd rather keep buying palaces for Saudi princes with American dollars? It's time to kick-start the American energy industry again, which really is the heartbeat of the economy. When energy prices go down, everything else follows suit. It's very simple. The environmentalists are strangling our economy to death. Oil men built this country. Made it great. Once they were celebrated for transforming sleepy towns into bustling hubs of industry. But they've become villainized, through years of brainwashing from the 60s onward. This country needs its balls back.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Uncle Pooky

    by supergator

    You just summed up the last month of this election. No substantive counterpoints from the other side, just indignance.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST


    by Marc Cerasini

    Ireland spent itself into this mass. No Germans held guns to your heads. Now you have to borrow money from Germany to pay for your socialist ways. Anyway, didn't the Catholic militants in Northern Ireland side WITH the Nazis?

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST

    That really wasn't a counterpoint scenario, was it? No. It wasn't.

    by Uncle Pooky

    You said you don't like politics, then you talked politics. I pointed it out. Nothing about that says I'm on any side. It merely says I paid attention and noticed you reversed your position in about 5 minutes.

  • Really, you can argue over the nuances of their respective domestic agendas, but basically these guys are almost identical on foreign policy. The only difference is that Barack is better informed than Mitt, and that's just a fact of his office. Its easy to assume that Barack is better equipped to deal with foreign heads of state, but then, in case you haven't noticed, the developed world has taken a hard turn to the right in the last decade. You have strongly Conservative governments in place in Canada, the UK, France, Sweden, Russia, Israel, virtually all the major oil producing nations except Venezuela, Germany has figured out how to rule the world through sheer force of economics, and neither party has a clue how to deal with China. I have faith in the intelligence of Americans that they won't fall for a war in Iran, no matter what bullshit their president pedals.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST


    by supergator

    There was no position reversed there. Again, it's obvious you disagree with me, but instead of talking to the facts, you're attacking me. Love it! Keep it up!

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Wow... Ok, what facts would you like to discuss?

    by Uncle Pooky

    Please, begin the conversation. The floor is yours.

  • Obviously not the best place to ask BUT I think sometimes it's better to ask things of people not outright political or anything (as dumb as that may sound). Anyways, I've seen it before somewhere, but it has popped up again recently and SEEMS to be backed somewhat. Would be a superb question to ask the endgame of the petrodollar/fed reserve inquiries to the candidates tonight regardless. Also, I am voting Obama but I am not prObama, just anti-Romney. I agree, they are politicians so all the dirt that comes with that applies to both BUT I feel like Obama is at least somewhat concerned about helping people. Romney just seems like more of a bold faced liar and money-oriented (which isn't always a bad thing...but I feel with him it is).

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST

    ^dumb...can't is 2012...

    by MJDeViant

  • Worst terrorist attack in the country's history. Unpaid for wars based on fucking bullshit. Tax cuts for THE WEALTHY, not you trailer trash knuckle dragging troglodytes! Two thousands people drowning to death because New Orleans was a Dem leaning city with a large African American population and Bush/Republicans didn't give a fuck. Worst economic crash since 1929, also caused by Republicans, because of insane deregulation of the financial markets. POW's being TORTURED! A CIA operatives cover blown as political payback! Knowing all of that, how exactly is Romneybot going to be any different than that cocksucker who stole the 2000 election and ran the country right into the fucking shitter? The man FUCKING LIES everytime he opens his dirty cocksucker depending on the crowd in front of him and the only time you hear the truth is when he's in front of other aristocratic elitist motherfuckers who want to take away the oppertunities that without which George Romney, Shittens father, wouldn't have been able to lift himself out of poverty to become a multi-millionaire and voting representative. If you don't see that then I fucking feel soo sorry for you and suspect that you have more guns than I.Q. points.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 4:11 p.m. CST

    a canadian using caps like that without a "sorry", eh?

    by MJDeViant

    But yeah, it seems we do better IMO, AND Romney is just that bad. I feel like a vote for Romney is a vote for 1950.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST


    by CreepyThinManForever

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 4:18 p.m. CST

    @creepy: to be honest I did well during the Bush years

    by Knuckleface

    I'm a liberal by nature, but I have to admit... The most successful and stable period of my life was from June 2000 to March 2004. I had an amazing job in advertising that I loved and that paid well. It all fell apart when I took a risk and landed hard on my ass. Can't blame the president for that. I graduated Uni during the Clinton years and was making minimum wage in 1999 whilst the economy was supposedly booming. I was unemployed or under-employed for much of the Obama administration. So by your measurement I should be voting for Mitt?

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST

    If Obama wins I'm going to get right royal ripped, eh?

    by MJDeViant

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST

    The last debate is tonight, & On My BIRTHDAY of All Days!!!

    by Kyle DeMattio

    Oh Well, Hope Romney wins!

  • If what you say is true and you've been hurting I'm sorry that you've not been well, I really am. Unlike CONservatives, I WANT you to succeed and make lots of money. Nothing wrong with that and it burns my fucking ass whenever some CON fuckface starts screaming SOCIALISM! Those rotten cunts don't seem to mind when Wall Street gets its gambling losses SOCIALIZED by GWB to the tune of 750 BILLION DOLARS of taxpayer money. It was those same people, the Ayn Rand reading so-called "Masters of the Universe", who crashed the economy and then went crying for a handout while honest, hard working people like you got fucked over. And that PISSES ME OFF RIGHT TO FUCKING HELL AND BEYOND!!! That shit isn't FAIR. I personally don't think much of Obama but I also don't think that he's a slithering fucking monster like Romney or GWB who only wanted to be President because of their Daddy issues and handed the keys to a bunch of war mongering, plutocratic despicable fucks who want to throw us all into Dickensian poverty or tribal warfare to overcompensate for their small cocks. I just don't understand how people can be soo stupid and not see this. It makes me sad. I hope you get a good job my friend.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST

    @hansvonhammer: Energy independence means reducing oil dependence

    by Knuckleface

    So why do Republicans refuse to support alternative energy? Because they are in the pockets of the oil companies! Flip'n heck, Bush and Cheney are oilmen!

  • I mean what the fuck?

  • Go on and say what you really feel ... Swear Obama would be walking into the WH for a second term if he was white dude. I am a white guy saying this. The racist shit that has been coming out of the GOP from the past 4 years is fucking disgusting and revolting. Just say it, ... it's because he's black ... Everything that Creepy laid is fucking fact. He just says it more eloquently than most.

  • Might equaled right and whites ruled all while women knew their place and blacks picked cotton. Why do you think that where ever you find oil (Texas, Alberta, Alaska) you find a bunch of fucking jerkoffs who still like to pretend they're cowboys? The fact is that back then you didn’t need education to find oil. Most of the time it was some redneck who stuck a sweet spot and found a gusher, Beverly Hillbillies style. They’d then hire the people who would professionally drill and refine the oil. Basically, oil drilling is like winning the lottery. It takes no real work, effort or education which is why uneducated asswipes would go prospecting. But what it did was give these sun baked dickheads unearned POWER that they obtained from the fluid they sucked out of the ground. Oil has been the driving force behind the American way of life since its beginning and CONservatives recognize that. And POWER is all they care about. The domination over other people’s lives. This is why it’s no coincidence that CONservatives are deeply religious as religion is also a means of CONTROL over people. This is the reason why Republicans sided with the religious right during the 80’s as Republican politicians needed a group of easily led plebs that they could manipulate to vote for them while the religious right saw their merging with politics as a way of achieving their goal of turning the USA into a theocratic Hellhole, like those in the middle-east, which explains their intense hatred of the separation of Church and State. So, the reason that Republicans/Conservatives are 100% against clean/renewable energy is the same reason why Conservatives/the Religious Right is against education. If we discovered an unlimited source of energy then Conservatives would lose their power just as an educated, well informed public capable of critical thinking can’t be made to live in fear over superstitions and religion losses its power to control. Just the way I see it.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST


    by Chairman_Kaga

    I usually hate your schtick but in this thread it's great.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST

    I have the feeling that Romney is going to win this election.

    by Dollar Bird

    And it makes me sad that an obsequious corporate raider will have such a high position of power. What's worse, is I get the impression that this man is willing to say whatever it takes to make you like him. His views and promises have been all over the place and I'm worried that, much like George Bush Junior and Ulysses S. Grant, he's just going to do whatever the people closest to him ask him to do. And you know, I think he has some very skewed morals. I don't know much about the Mormon faith (but enough to know that Mormonism is a long-lived cult that thinks that we all can be gods someday and that God lives next to the planet Kolob. How odd that both religions made in the U.S. involve people from outer space...) and maybe it's unfair to bring up the man's faith, but I do so because I think he thinks that doing things legally is the same as doing the decent thing. And if he truly was a "good man," he would know the difference and try to do what's right, not just what's legal. The mere fact that he feels like saving money through loopholes, tax write-offs, and his wife's horse, or making money by sending jobs overseas or killing corporations (which "are people, my friend") is a good thing, bothers me. And all you yahoos who cry out, "He made money! You should celebrate his ingenuity and ability to succeed." well, I hope you celebrate and adore every major blockbuster in the world. Or think it's awesome that "50 Shades of Gray" is insanely popular. Or just love the fact that the Kardashians are popular, rich, and on teevee, because their parents really worked hard for that money and we should celebrate it. Sweet mother, I swear, I should just marry some girl from Central Europe and live in the mountains as a shepherd and eat gnocchi and bacon and just read books. (Insert reply where someone who disagrees with me says, "Good! Get out of our country. We don't need you!")

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST

    That's because your head's up your own ass, creepy

    by FeralAngel

    Next time you see semen and shit coming your way, pull your head free. If you STILL see semen and shit coming in your direction, tell it you're voting Republican and run like hell.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Glau Curse apply to guest appearances?

    by cromulent

    I was really starting to like Alphas (sigh)

  • Let's say Mittens wins, right? What do you think he'll do? Start wars, cut taxes for the rich, fuck over the woking class etc... all the same shit GWB did. Because that worked out soo well..... Now, Obama basically stopped the USA from going into a depression with the stimulus, that CONS voted 100% against like they did when Clinton did one back in 93 which was one of the reasons for the 90's economic upswing, but the 100% obstruction from Repukes has slowed down the recovery. People are still feeling the recession which was caused by the 08 crash but most didn't REALLY start to feel the effects of the crash until Obama was in office and that mental association is what CONservatives have played on while being an atypical lie all the while using the recession THEY CAUSED to attack social programs and cut infrastructure spending as they also block job Bills. The bleeding has stopped but the patient hasn't yet made a full recovery. If Obama gets another four years I have little doubt that the USA will be back in good condition, but not where it was after Clinton left it, by the end of Obama's second term. But if Romney gets into power, I just know he'll fuck everything up double quick and once he inevitably does you just know that every CONservative cunt will place the blame DIRECTLY on Obama. Now, I know the CON shitheads here will say "but but but YOU LIBS blame Bush for everything!", well, that's because WE CAN BLAME BUSH FOR EVERYTHING BECAUSE THE FACTS AND DATA SUPORT US! Unike the CONS who blame GWB's miserable economic record on Clinton who left a balanced budget and a surplus which dipshit pissed away on his wars and tax cuts. The point is that if Romney gets into office, no matter how bad he fucks up, the CONS will blame it on Obama despite the facts. This is because these people are pathological LIARS and would rather DIE than admit that they are wrong because BELIEF is at the heart of their delusional mindset which is no coincidence as these are also mostly bible thumping fucktsicks. If they admitted they were wrong, even once, their whole fucking psyche would come crashing down as their BELIEF is used as an affront to their FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN which is the oldest kind of fear. This is also the reason why CONS rabidly defend their bullshit, no matter how wrong they are, as that fear of not knowing makes them like a scared animal trapped in a corner and makes it dangerous for rational, logical and intelligent people to approach them with facts that they can't dispute as they will lash out as a scared animal would. This is the reason why I wish John McCain had won back in 2008. I have absolutely ZERO doubt in my mind that if that happened the country would be in fucking flames right now. Things would be soo terrible that it would shake most Republican voters out of their apathy towards facts and recognize that CONservative policies DO NOT benefit the working/middle class of the country and do nothing but enrich corporations and military defense contractors while steering the USA towards a totalitarian plutocracy. If Romney wins that will happen but CONservatives will be able to defend against the horrible truth about what they have wrought by deluding themselves into believing that it was all Obama's doing despite any facts to the contrary.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Thank You, creepythinmanforever Oh and Happy Halloween...

    by Kyle DeMattio


  • Oct. 22, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Obama is not going to win this election

    by Tacoloft


  • Oct. 22, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Obama = douche

    by GeorgieBoy


  • Oct. 22, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST

    tacoloft seems to know something the rest of us don't

    by Mugato5150

    Obama being ahead in all the polls and everything. Sure there's the usual Republican shenannagans in Ohio and Florida. I mean, Jesus Christ, Romney's son bought out the voting machines in Ohio, what the fuck? But Obama's still ahead. So tacoloft knows something the rest of us don't. Maybe yet another Republican graft we haven't seen yet?

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Even Salt Lake City's newspaper won't endorse Romney

    by oisin5199

    Yes, even Mormons don't like him.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Hey guys stop bickering, at least you don't

    by quicksilver80

    Have a crazy bipolar president like we do...

  • Just want to know if it is tinfoil hat area or legit...basically because it seems legit more than not.

  • Romney gained a lot of ground from the first debate, but the bad news for him is that the numbers in this race have calmed, with most polls showing Obama in the lead. Per CBS News, Obama is up 5 in Ohio, a must-win for Romney. Per Muhlenberg College, Obama's up 5 in Pennsylvania, a state that's been a big fantasy for Romney. As Politico reports quote - the kind of margin that's difficult and expensive to overcome this late - end quote. To me, national polls this year are looking a lot like national polls in 2004. Kerry (that year's Romney) was within striking distance, but couldn't close the deal. But state polls tell a very different story. Obama is up in Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa, Wisconsin, New Hampshire (where most polls show a tie or Obama in the lead), Ohio. He'll most likely lose Florida, Virginia, and North Carolina, but will still have a confortable electoral college victory come Nov. 6. Especially if early voting is any indication, where states like Ohio have Obama crushing Romney by a 30 point margin. The fact that we're now hearing Republicans talking of trying to win blue Pennsylvania (something the McCain camp tried at this stage in 2008) is almost a concession, as it was in 2008, that things don't look good for Romney on the state level. 16 days and I imagine we'll hear Republicans whining about a stolen election. They should admit, like we Kerry supporters did, that they just didn't nominate the strongest candidate they could have.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST

    So Romney's all set up to steal those votes in Ohio it seems...

    by quicksilver80

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 8:11 p.m. CST

    The 1980's are calling to ask for their foreign policies back....

    by cymraeg_cowboy


  • I've finally worked out how he is going to create so many more jobs..... tripple the size of the armed forces to start WWIII

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 8:19 p.m. CST


    by Tighxo

    It is SO SO SO apparent that Obama is just completely baffled by someone having the balls to call him on ANYTHING and it is an attitude I just can't stand

  • So that is where Romney is going to create theses millions more jobs - trippling the armed forces to start WWIII

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST


    by cymraeg_cowboy

    How can any truly democratic party call themselves that if they blatently stand there and say they have to make sure that other countries elect the 'right' leaders - Surely if you believe in democracy you have to accept that countries and the people are responsible for making their own choices - even if you don't agree with that choice. True leadership will be how you work with that foriegn government afterwards. Romney just admitted he wants to choose what leaders are put in place around the world - how the Republican Arrogancy that thinks that any country has the right to do that to another naton is chilling. Getting rid of a dicatatorship is one thing - getting rid of democraticly elected officials in another country because you don't like their policies downright immoral.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 8:29 p.m. CST

    I swear Romney looked like wanted to throw up

    by quicksilver80

    When he said the planet wanted peace

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Holy shit is Romney getting ass fucked

    by Mugato5150

    It's actually getting sad.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    I know what it takes......

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    Yay...chose that as my drinking game phrase! Did Romney just say the latin american ecconomy is almost as big as china's? lol - guess thats why so many millions of Latino's are trying to get out of America and head south! Then again, what do I know? - I wasn't born in mexico like gov. Romney!!!

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST

    MNG- projection personified...

    by jay2517

    ...and a tad homophobic.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST

    briggs- shut the fuck up u ignorant race baiter...

    by jay2517

    ...really, shut the fuck up.

  • But really, how could he not win the debate? He doesn't have much of a record on foreign policy while Obama has the last 4 years of his policies that can be picked apart. Let's be honest: Obama's foreign policy model has imploded. He approached foreign policy with the naivete of someone with zero experience but an ideological bent that guided his overall decision making. It was pure fantasy. President Obama tried his best, but his best was found to be severely lacking. His reading of the middle east was and is woefully out of touch with reality. I don't know if Romney could do any better than Obama, but he certainly couldn't do any worse.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 8:56 p.m. CST

    I have the bigger flag lapel pin therefore I should be president!

    by quicksilver80

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST

    i_love_lanalang, are you fucking retarded or just trolling?

    by Mugato5150


  • Oct. 22, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST


    by film11

    You are apparently watching a different debate. It's not even close...Obama is wiping the floor with Romney. Half the time, Romney is just repeating things Obama just said...and, as I type this, is outright lying. If you change the channel from Faux News and view CNN, even the voters undecided voters are giving Obama most of the Highs. Romney clearly has little knowledge or understanding of global affairs. The Brits had it right...Mitt the Twit. Never more apparent than tonight.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST


    by cymraeg_cowboy

    Where exactly has Obama's model imploded? Ending a war that was immoral in the first place? Re-building international support and aliences that had been ripped appart under the previous administration. Not sure how you can say Romney is winning this debate - Obama should be easier to attack due to having an international record - but he seems far more composed and level thinking of the two tonight. And before you accuse me of bias - I fully admitted that Romney won the first debate hands down.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Apology tour

    by angry kitty

    Oh boy. Romney's on fire now.

  • ...and now he has removed one of the testicles from Romney's nutsack and has wrapped the vas deferens cord around his neck and is slowly strangling him with it while Romney smiles and says he likes sailors, seamen, and the navy.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:02 p.m. CST

    The Middle east is exploding

    by Paul

    Everything has been handled horribly

  • Ouch

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Appology Kitten

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    You are kidding - Romney on fire? Going down in flames more like - ouch what a blow by Obama on foreign visits. Seriously - can any of you right wing appologists honnestly not see Romney stumbling over words, sweating and a look of panic in his eyes when talking compared to the even toned confidence in the Presidents voice as he speaks tonight.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:07 p.m. CST

    quicksilver80, yes

    by film11

    Best line of the debate tonight (laughed out loud)...along with the mention of "Battleship".

  • President Obama has to defend his own policies. He's trying to defend the indefensible. His, for lack of a better word, excuses, are not credible to any fair-minded individual watching the debate. I'm watching the debate on PBS.

  • Can anybody do anything that will make a significant difference in four years? What we don't want is a trigger happy administration that will endanger the world by making rash pre-emptive decisions.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:11 p.m. CST


    by film11

    Your comments have never been non-partisan...but the viewing audience obviously has a different view of who is winning. Romney has been stumbling and bumbling since this debate began. (Right now, the viewing response as Romney is speaking is flatlined.) But believe whatever makes you feel good.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:13 p.m. CST


    by cymraeg_cowboy

    pur-lease..... don't claim to be impartial ...that is insulting to all of our intelligence. Stop telling Romney is dominating and explain how.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST

    I love how Bob Scheaffer called Osama Obama.

    by Paul

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:16 p.m. CST


    by film11

    Romney just said "The President is right" for the fifth or sixth time tonight! Or is he just flip-flopping again? lol!

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Obama's kicking even more ass than he did in the last debate

    by broderick crawford

    The undecided lines on CNN are not favorable for Romney. But I'm sure after the debate Fox will have a group of plants declaring Romney won decisively.

  • Not only is he agreeing with the President on key items, he looks like he's forgotten everything his Bush advisors told him. He's flailing and in total disarray.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST

    dude, america is in an economic depression as we speak.

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    Forget all the phoney statistics coming from either republica or democrats. There are lies, damned lies, then statistics. Numbers can always be fudged. The books can always be cooked. Try, just try and get a job, any job and see just how "easy" it is. Dont rely on the bullcrap. Check out the homeless camps. America is screwed people. If you have the resources to get out of this country and you havent already...............

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Cymraeg_Cowboy - Obama's appeasement strategy has been a disaster.

    by I_Love_LanaLang

    While no sane person wants to start an unneccessary war a la the horrible George Bush, it's also true that the middle east muslims do not respect policies of appeasement and weakness. The argument that America is now more 'respected' due to Obama's incessant apology tours is rooted in desperate hope rather than reality. You can't apologize for every perceived slight that America might have incurred and still be respected. Obama's foreign policy model has been shredded from Libya to Iran to Egypt to Afghanistan to Iraq to China to Russia. America's interests have neither been protected nor promoted. It's been an exericise in futility and failure.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:26 p.m. CST


    by broderick crawford

    Great line -- "bayonets and horses" was a great line. Of course, minutes later one of those Fox morons tweeted that Marines still use bayonets. Uh, I guess he'd know, since he's a Republican and they worship the military and everything.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:31 p.m. CST

    The post-debate fact check will be epic

    by Bobo_Vision

    Epicly embarrassing for a certain lying flip-flopper.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:31 p.m. CST

    I_Love_Lanalang - Such utter tripe you spew.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    What has constituted a policy of "appeasement"? And name a date and venue for one of the "apology tour" gigs.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:33 p.m. CST


    by cymraeg_cowboy

    But that is based on the theory that America can only be effective if they are percieved as 'the biggest dog in the yard'. Yes there is a mess in many middle east countries - but there are many more of these countries that are now holding democratic elections for the first time. Of course this is going to cause unrest - every young democracy goes through this (hello - civil war anyone?) - but America can not get involved if these countries make democratic choices about leadership that is not deemed suitable.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Holy shit did Romney get pig fucked

    by Mugato5150

    That was embarrassing.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Chrissake we need to sack Obama lame ass!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Obama and his administration hasn't done jack and clearly have no plan for the future! Just the same ole' rambling by Obama over and over again!

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:40 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Of course! I don't doubt it since FOX is a designated water carrier for Willard. I wonder if they'll try to blame Schieffer for this one, too.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Jack Johnson vs. John Jackson

    by Christopher3

    This debate was an hour and a half of "yeah, what he said."

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST


    by broderick crawford

    Fox already saying Willard seemed like the incumbent. These guys are so transparent it's unbelievable. Not to mention one of their buffoons complimenting Romney on his "listening" expression and saying Obama looked too mean. Wow... Republican propaganda, pure and simple.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Nixon vs Kennedy

    by film11

    For those who've seen (or actually remember), the Kennedy-Nixon debate...remember the sweaty uncomfortable Nixon against the collected Kennedy...looked like Romney was in the Nixon role tonight.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Romney repeated himself a lot. Perspired a lot too.

    by Steve Lamarre

    I lost track of how many times he said "centrifuges".

  • It was clearly a speech of appeasement. It was littered with apologies for perceived American transgressions. It extolled islam and muslim culture while failing to point out that islam and muslim culture are the root of most problems in the middle east. It was a sickening performance. More recently, President Obama gave a speech at the UN where he lambasted and profusely apologized for a Youtube video that he claimed had caused muslims to riot and attack our embassies. Did he mention the murderous muslim Al Qaeda thugs that killed our diplomats in Benghazi? No he did not, even though he KNEW at that time it was a muslim terrorist event. President Obama still - to this day - calls the terrorist attack at Ft. Hood an incident of "workplace violence". We all know that simply is not true. It was planned in conjunction with a foreign muslim terrorist. There is no way that President Obama can credibly defend his foreign policy. Tonight's debate has proven this to be true. Non-partisan viewers such as myself are not burdened by biased viewpoints. We were not fooled.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:52 p.m. CST

    The United States of Israel

    by Carl's hat

    ...I mean really, you guys just look like Israel's little chihuahua.

  • BOR- 3.6 maddow the dullard- 1.3 ouch! hercs ego takes another hit!

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Lol @ Jay- truth hurts? Still lol'ing at you.

    by Judge Briggs

    Race baiting? Just calling it as we see it. Lanalang- always t0lling... You guys should see what he says in the Friday talkbacjs.

  • In 1hour 30minutes, Obamatook a scalpel and methodically pulled back the artificial epidermis of the ROMBOT 5000, revealing to the American electorate a tagled mess of shorted wires and conflicting commands. Romney didn't know which Romney to bring to the debate, so he brought both, and both got fried. He deferred to Obama the entire debate, and Obama had to remind Romney what his actual positions were at almost every turn. This was not a good night for Romney, and this was the closing argument. In other words, Romney won the first debate, but man oh man did he pick the wrong two debates to lose.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST

    re: alphas ratings and more politics

    by Halibut

    Oh, that makes more sense, concerning the 0.4, and is a tiny bit encouraging. Thanks. PS: Obama, Romney: whatever. Think Supreme Court.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST

    great debate and excellent close for Romney...

    by jay2517

    ...cant argue with anything the man said. u freaking progressives have to put those progressogoggles down lol...

  • briggs- *I am a white guy saying this.*--- who gives a shit?? that what all racists say. that and * i have black friends too!* bullshit. BTW- didnt i tell ur race baiting racists ass to shut the fuck up already??

  • That includes Mitt Romney! ANYONE who believes Obama has apologized for America or taken his words out of context should be throne in jail for treason, but thanks to the first amendment they are free to lie and hate until it consumes them. Obama is far from perfect, but he is a pretty good president with a stellar list of impressive foreign policy achievements. Almost everything Romney is criticizing him for is based on false information and assumptions, but that is true of all Obama's critics.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:02 p.m. CST


    by film11

    I agree...can't argue with everything Romney said...especially since, he was agreeing with Obama most of the time. (Hell, Romney practically ENDORSED Obama for Prez!)

  • what world do u idiots live in?? BTW- please stay there.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:03 p.m. CST

    I think we can all agree

    by angry kitty

    It is very important to get out there and vote. May the best candidate win.

  • Birther movement... Welfare requirements being lowered by Obama... ... Free cell phones for Votes post by Drudge And yes, still lol'ing at you Jay, the crazy right-winger of these talkbacks. But you do have a good taste in tv! ; )

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Jay 2517 - What is the problem with being progressive?

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    Why do you consider that a dirty word? What is the alternative? To be regressive? Four debates worth of posts by yourself and yet you have not been able to explain ONCE why Romney and his policies would be the best choice for America - your entire arguement comes down to your hatred of Obama and screaming about polling numbers and attacking us so called progressives and liberals. I've asked you on several occasions to debate the ISSUES - to explain to and convince us that Romney could actually lead the country. But you have nothing.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Wow. Romney = Completely fucked like a bitch...

    by obijuanmartinez

  • Romney masterfully segwayed to the economy alot and his closing statement was devastating. Obama and Democrats can't come back on anything he said...

  • “We have these things called aircraft carriers and planes land on them. We have ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines.” Priceless...

  • Or, using Coughlins debate poll math: Obama 53. Tied 24. OMG 77 percent thought Obama won or it was a tie!

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Coughlins: Romney masterfully segwayed to the economy

    by broderick crawford

    I didn't see him get out of his seat the whole time.

  • Obama was so goddamn awful in the first debate, he had a major lead before the debate, and after the debate, Romney had the major lead. "Obama looked so dead, Romney tried to baptize him." - Bill Maher The real winner will be decided in the polls. If Romney still maintains the lead that he got early this month, I will mark my calendar for January 20, 2013.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:17 p.m. CST

    CNN Poll of watchers

    by film11

    Only 40% believe that Romney won. So Jay and Lana aren't even part of the "47%" :-)

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Coughlins Law: welcome back

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    If you mean that looking Presidential means that you sit there slowly wilting and looking uncomfortable and sweaty whilst stumbling over words .... then yes Romney deffinately won!

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST

    OOOO Palin on Fox News - should be fun

    by cymraeg_cowboy

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Faux news comentary

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    Hanity - 'Thank you Mr Community advisor' and 'Obama's arrogance' in the same sentance. lol at the Pot. Kettle. Black. Even Palin's arguement is comming down to Romney didn't have enough time to answer to Obama and delve into the issues. Now claiming Obama showing his lack of experience- from Sarah Palin! Ha ha ha ha ha. Oh god - now she's into her beauty queen closing speech - back to CNN.

  • More importantly, because debates are all a bunch of rhetoric and accomplish nothing (except for showing Mitt change his views sometimes within the same answer of a question) all the evidence is supporting that Obama has already won the election mathematically. I'm voting anti-Romney. Not only because his plans are seemingly impossible math-wise, but he just spits out blatant lies. Massachusetts has great schools? Yeah, because before you they were fixed with the things you want to cut. Your plan for taxes and replacing "Obamacare" = No real answer. Our deficit isn't fixed yet so you blame Obama for his first 4 years BUT then say it will take you 8-10 years? You shipped jobs to China, not directly, but under your company who is notorious for doing so and then try and act like China is the bad one and Obama is responsible? Jesus man, just tell the truth. I'd at least respectfully disagree. Doesn't want or does want war with Iran/Russia/etc? I can't tell anymore. I lean towards yes because you want to give our military 2 trillion more dollars THEY DIDN'T EVEN ASK FOR. Obama, you need to sort this shit out, everyone knows it. You need to be harder on the bankers involved (no arrests? wtf?) in the collapse. You need to get rid of this NDAA bullshit and Guantanamo. You need to make DAMN sure our drones aren't fucking it up over there. I'm not naive, I know both candidates are backed by hidden interests but I'll be damned if I'll vote for the fucking jackass, which is ironic because he's a republican, who is literally just trying to elected to do who knows what. In a perfect world we all know Roddy Piper and Keith David from They Live! would be president and vice president.

  • smoke a Jeffrey and get used to the fact that a black man is going to be the president of you Dumbfuckistan, USA-ites for another 4 years

  • All a challenger has to do in a foreign policy debate is look Presidential. After 4 debates, Romney-Ryan clearly outperformed Obama-Biden.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST

    CNN Fact Check (Sorry Jay and Lana)

    by film11

    The so-called Obama "apology tour" (constantly repeated by Romney) is a lie. Verified by CNN transcripts and facts.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Obama won that one.

    by D.Vader

    Mitt Romney does himself no favors every time he cries about having to move on to another topic.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Romney didn't look Presidential

    by D.Vader

    He looked like he was going to cry. He looked like he wanted to stamp his feet every time it was time to move on to another topic. He looked like he was going to have a tantrum if he didn't get to say the last word. Come on, that should be obvious to *anyone* as much as its obvious he won the first debate.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:33 p.m. CST

    I mean, I know you have to stick with your party and all...

    by D.Vader

    But can't you at least stick with common sense every now and then too?

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST

    The FoxNews Luntz focus group got into a shouting match

    by broderick crawford

    And surprisingly, they even admitted Obama won on foreign policy, which -- to have anyone on Fox admit that -- basically means Romney got his ass handed to him.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:39 p.m. CST

    All a challenger has to do in a foreign policy debate is look Presidential?

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    Really? Really? REALLY? So showing an understanding of the issues is not important? So having a clear and coherant arguement and policy is not important? So all you need is a good posture and a stylist? Really? Even if that were true Obama still won. Composed, switched on, determined, authoritive. As opposed to uncomfortable, sweaty, and stumbling over words. Can you really not see what even many republican commentators on the news channels (seeing as thats where you get most of your opinions) are saying?

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:40 p.m. CST

    that was brutal

    by drave117

    Obama utterly stomped Romney this time. Out-classed in every possible way. Three best moments: 1. "Yes, we have fewer ships. We also have fewer horses and bayonets." 2. "Governor, none of what you just said is true." 3. Obama basically telling the world he killed Osama to help a little girl who lost her daddy sleep better at night.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Did I miss something?

    by Stygian

    No attacks on US soil since 9/11? I seem to recall a shoe-bomber, an ambassador on US soil in Behngazi, andseveral others that other people mentioned (Ft. Hood, etc). What a INCREDIBLY STUPID thing to say!

  • And to all of you that thought that Obama won the last debate, I'll remind you that Obama got ZERO bounce from the last debate. So, explain how that was a win...

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Obviously creepythinmanforever makes my point...

    by MaxHeadroom

    of how stupid most people here are on politics.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:45 p.m. CST


    by cymraeg_cowboy

    .... and you will notice that the majority of us are here to debate issues and hold intelligent conversation where as the Cons come here and use juvenile languge and insults. You can check back through the last four debates worth of posts - how many nasty, hate filled, swear filled abussive posts there are and 8/10 comes from the Cons in the room. Show a bit of decorum and argue us with substance - don't just sit there and hurl abuse. - You look immature and ridiculous.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Not all Libs here...

    by film11

    ...but one can't argue with reality and facts (something Mr Romney does have issues with). Cracked up when he talked about wanting a planet of peace...totally different from the Romney of just 6 months ago in the Repub debates, where he was like Sterling Hayden in DR STRANGELOVE. At least Obama (whether you like him or not) is relatively consistent. Don't have to be a Lib or Neo-Con to see that...just perceptive, aware, informed, and intelligent.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:46 p.m. CST

    You ok?

    by Stygian

    'Cause you sound like a damn retard!

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:49 p.m. CST


    by film11

    Thank you for making my point

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Film 11

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    Good points - it is a shame the media aren't showing the comments from the primaries back to back with the statements from these debates. Romney stands in front of an audience and just says what he thinks they want to hear depending on the situation. I just hope the American public aren't taken in because in this entire campaign he has had one good night.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Obama did nothing but lie the whole night

    by Paul

    It was Bush who first started the timetable for Iraq and it was Bush that started the policys that killed Bin Ladin. Everything that Obama has done has been a failure except for continuing Bushes policys. Record inflation, record debt, record unemployment. The President looked angry and defeated and made the types of attacks that a 2 two old would make, Romney looked Presidencial.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Obama doesn't have to get votes back, because Romney never took any...

    by American Mythos

    Most of Romney's support after that first debate came from reticent Republicans who weren't yet enthusiastic about Romney candidacy. But those Republican were always going to come home to Romney. Undecideds , on the other hand, usually break for the frontrunner, and Obama is the favorite in states like Ohio, Iowa, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, New Hampshire. 5.2 million jobs. 31 consecutive months of job creation. Unemployment at its lowest in four years, representing a drop in joblessness in 41 states. The 'wrong track' numbers in polls are their lowest in years, and consumer confidence is higher than it's been in four years. Obama has an approval rating, depending on which poll you believe, between 48-52 percent, and his base is fired up. Then you have the gender gap, which started out wide, shrunk after the first debate, and is now breaking toward Obama. You have engaged Latinos in states like Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, that are crippling his chances in those states. You have early vote numbers in states like Ohio where Obama has a 30 point lead, suggesting a massive enthusiasm advantage for the incumbent. This was never about getting votes back from Romney, it was about drawing from the pool of undecideds and firing up the base, and Obama is winning both those battles.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Honestly, I thought both men did well tonight

    by Blanket-Man

    Both appeared knowledgeable and stated their respective positions well. Problem for Romney was, his positions weren't all that different from the incumbent's. Schieffer did a much better job than the last two moderators, keeping the guys on task and keeping 'going off on tangents' to a minimum. It was a fun debate to watch.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST


    by cymraeg_cowboy

    Not an Obama appolgist An Obama supporter - I've never hid my left leanings. I'm quite happy to give my views on why. Why won't you give your views on why Romney should be president? Still not a sincle Conservative voter here has been able to articulate that in 3 weeks of debates. Don't list why you would want to get rid of Obama - list why Romney is the better option -explain what his policies are and how they will improve the country - I challenge you to.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:58 p.m. CST


    by cymraeg_cowboy

    Thank you - that was perhaps the most level headed and best thought through arguement I have seen on this site in any of the debate talkbacks. Well done sir

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 10:58 p.m. CST


    by film11

    Fact-checkers contradict you. Even without them, I clearly remember Bush saying that getting Osama was not a big priority. But since you appear to be memory-challenged, hear Bush in his own words. (And look up the other stuff on your own.)

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11 p.m. CST

    Obama kicked the magic underwear off Mitts Ass!

    by Paratrooper_Activity

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:01 p.m. CST

    thanks, cymraeg_cowboy. I try, I try.

    by American Mythos

  • chris matthews was coming unhinged tonight screaming about racism. its sad that him and people like u perpetuate lies like this. BTW- of course i have good taste in tv. i am me after all :)

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:02 p.m. CST

    *sigh* mjs_cold_lifeless_guilty_corpse

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    I guess there is no way you are able to enter into a debate or stand up to a challenge. I was hoping that there would be a con on here that could articulate the arguement for a Romney presidency. Iguess not. You are are either a troll or completely ignorant and unable to make an educated arguement. Or more likely both. Goodbye. You are welcome.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Meanwhile, Glenn Beck says (@glennbeck)...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I am glad to know that mitt agrees with Obama so much. No, really. Why vote? Uh, oh! Sounds like the alcoholic Mormon is not pleased with the corporate raiding liar Mormon! Whatever will the right do with its counter narrative?!?! Developing...

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:04 p.m. CST

    For those who complain about 4 yrs of Obama

    by film11

    Took around 8 years to collapse the economy. But some are pissed Obama couldn't fix it in 4 years. (Clinton couldn't clean-up the Reagen-Bush mess in 4 yrs either...took him 2 terms) So, unsatisfied with the slow upswing of Obama's 4 years, they choose to go BACK to what didn't work. In Romney's OWN words...he'll give you a balanced budget in 8 - 10 years! lol! Yeah, makes soooo much sense to vote for THAT guy!

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Here's what I saw, from an objective bystander POV:

    by Stifler's Mom

    Obama phoned in the first debate, and Romney walked away with it. Obama came back in the second debate, narrowly won. And tonight, in the final debate, Obama wiped the floor with his opponent. Romney would have been better off staying home. Also, Biden easily bested Ryan. Watch the four debates as an audience member- not a conservative or a liberal- and I think most people would agree.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:08 p.m. CST

    I'ma getting SNARKY! up in this mickey flick!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

  • *Why do you consider that a dirty word? What is the alternative? To be regressive?*--- i dont consider is a dirty word. *Four debates worth of posts by yourself and yet you have not been able to explain ONCE why Romney and his policies would be the best choice for America - your entire arguement comes down to your hatred of Obama and screaming about polling numbers and attacking us so called progressives and liberals.*--- ahh the typical *Romney policy* cry baby excuse. why do i need to endorse what i already endorse? im here to say why oblameya is horrible for the country. and where the hell have i said i hate oblameya?? i have never said that and i dont hate anyone. why do u progressives continually ignore this? also, when have i screamed about polls?? WTF are u talking about?? *I've asked you on several occasions to debate the ISSUES - to explain to and convince us that Romney could actually lead the country. But you have nothing.*--- why do i have to repeat what Romney has already stated? i always debate the issues, u just want to dictate the issues u want, and it dont work that way, buddy. try again :)

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Anyone with a 401K (for the last 4 years)

    by film11

    Compare your 401K of today with what it was 4 years ago. That should be an indication if you're better off now than your were 4 years ago.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Chain misses the point as usual.

    by Tigger11

    First of all Chain, Israel does not have any illegal nuclear weapons, Iran is a signee of the NPT and are in violation thats why its ok for the Europe, the US, etc to embargo them over their nuclear program, they are in violation of a treaty they have signed with the UN.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:19 p.m. CST

    mjs_cold_lifeless_guilty_corpse: my last post to you

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    I've been comming to for 14 years to debate all kinds of issues - mostly tv an movies which are my passion, but yes, politics and whatever other topic may come up too. There are many good like minded people who come here and form a community spirit. We don't agree with every point or comment we make, but we are able to debate and respond to each other in an appropriate and stimulating way. On a number of occasions members have been able to change my mind about a topic through a strong reasoned arguement. Over the past 5 or 6 years this site has been in a bit of a decline - this is not due to the quality of the articles or reporting - that has mostly stayed even no matter what the talkbackers like to say. The decline has come in the negativity and outright trolling in the talkbacks - its always been there to an extent, but more recently it takes up 80% of all talkbacks. There has been a shinning light recently in the creation of the Docbacks where a heavily monitored rules of decorum are set in place - these have been a delight to participate in. I wish all talkbacks could be moderated in this way, but understand that would be impossible. You sir, are a perfect example of the decline of this site - you may mock me for wanting to come here to debate politics, but how does that compare to someone whos life must be so misserable and empty that the only way they can make a connection is comming here purely to troll to get a reaction and some attention - so wel done, misson achieved. You may respond if you wish - and should it be a levelled reasoned arguement then I will respond in kind. Somehow I doubt it will be. In which case this will be the end of my giving you any attention. So... goodbye and thanks for all the fish. You're welcome

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:20 p.m. CST

    gas price and supermarkets

    by film11

    Presidents do not control gas prices. And the rise in food costs are mostly due to the drought/fires that wiped out crops this past summer. ESPECIALLY corn, which is in practically everything. Which means that next year, supermarket prices will go even matter who wins. Jeez, are ALL hard right-wingers as dense or deluded as you?

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:23 p.m. CST

    And Obama opened even more drilling, so what's your point?

    by film11

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Gas prices? Try living in the UK where the price is double that of the US.

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    And we have a conservative government - your equivelant of the republicans. The petrol prices are dictated by big oil - which co-incidently you'll give more power to by electing Romney!

  • That was more to do with Republican tax cuts than more oil being produced. Unfortunately those tax-cuts that allowed a temporary drop in the price of gas also helped to cause the problems that the ecconomy faces now. Same happened in the uk.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:31 p.m. CST are SO erudite (look it up)

    by film11

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Obama closed and vetoed far more oil drilling then he opened

    by Paul

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:38 p.m. CST

    MJS...unlike you, I don't need a thesaurus. And paburrows...

    by film11

    Obama only closed the Fed lands that were given to the oil companies that they chose NOT to drill on or utilize. Or, to use a cliche that may be easier for some to grasp, it was "use it or lose it".

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:39 p.m. CST

    RE: Obama closed and vetoed far more oil drilling then he opened

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    Did you not watch the last debate - or more importantly the fact checking that many media outlets did afterwards. Obama has got oil production up in the US at the higest rate of the last 40 years - he was telling the truth. What he has done is closed contracts where land was not being used and being sat on by companies just looking to make a profit on the land, and is offering those contracts to new clients. It is the one lie that Romney made in the second debate that every news channel (including fox) agreed that was complete B.S. Another example of Republican negative spin becoming an accepted fact.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Judge Briggs

    by Tigger11

    Obama is usually characterized by the British Media as the most offensive president to them ever, and they are probably including George Washington on that list. Ipod full of his speeches as a gift to the queen? White House mugs for the Prime Minister the first time, followed by NTSC DVDs on the followup visit. All that after returning the bust of Winston Churchill that was sent to us to represent our great relationship with Great Britain, in his first week at office. Yeah, Obama is an awesome ally of great Britain, 43rd out of 43 as ranked by the British themselves.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:45 p.m. CST


    by film11

    That's still higher than Romney. Or, as you Brits called him, "Mitt the Twit."

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:51 p.m. CST


    by jsfithaca

    actually most economists agree the president can't do much to influence gas prices. also they dropped 4 years ago because when the recession gas companies knew nobody would be able to afford gas, and as the economy got better gas prices went back up. they're also going up more due to prospects of war in iran (fueled by repubs)

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Ain't It Cool Politics--the very hub of high-level discourse

    by John Brown

    Where the terms "fucktard," "libtard," and "repug" are considered proper nouns.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 11:59 p.m. CST

    tiger 11

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    ...not sure what you are basing that statement on. Must be from The Sun, Daily Mail or sky news - all Rupert Murdoch owned organisations coincedently (or not!) Most Brits that I know (which is 90% of the people I know) genuinely like Obama - maybe a little dissappointed he hasn't been able to do more. Romney on the other hand is known primarily for one thing here - comming over and telling the british media that he wasn't sure that we could hold a successful Olympics - that sure went down well!!! And then was proved totally wrong. In all honesty most of the British public would struggle to name more than 10 US presidents. I think Obama's so called 'gaffs' actully caused ammusement more than outrage. Over the last four years Brits have been more concerned with our own ecconomy (with good cause) rather than looking at US politics - most peole are extremely unaware of what is happening there and really do not care - a shame as there is not really a great understanding of how US ecconomics really affects us. I am actually from the same hometown as Romney's wife, and even here he is seen as a bit of a joke - a rich boy completely out of touch with the people he claims to speak for.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 12:37 a.m. CST

    jay liberals are the sexists?

    by jsfithaca

    than why are these the numbers on the lily ledbetter act. 244 democrats yay, 4 nay, 3 repubs yay, 173 repubs nay. and why do women tend to favor democrats?

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 12:54 a.m. CST

    jsfithaca- yep. they are.

    by jay2517

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 1:44 a.m. CST

    still dont see why jay

    by jsfithaca

    again look at the votes for the lily ledbetter act

  • I'm going in dry......

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 2:10 a.m. CST

    No doubt about it.. Romney won the debate.

    by tailhook

    But then, by and large being a foreign policy debate the content didn't 'really' matter. What was very clever on Romney's part was that he recognized it wasn't what you say, but how you say it. The debate largely consisted of him calmly putting forth what he was saying and coming off as presidential, while Obama by and large went on the attack, continued with the interruptions, and made himself look small. The content? Who cares. Its those impressions that will stick with poeple. Romney looked like a President, Obama didn't. Sad, considering Obama IS the President. But then, thats why he lost. The snap polling trash won't tell the real tale on this one. Nov 6th will.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 2:29 a.m. CST

    covjack, STFU YOU ERUDITE CUNT!!!FACT!!!

    by CreepyThinManForever

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 2:34 a.m. CST

    I'm going in dry...

    by American Mythos

    Holy shit creepythinmanforever, I almost had a hernia laughing.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Romney landslide

    by Jeff

    Romney landslide. Why? #1. U.S. unemployment is 7.8% No president since FDR has won re-election with a number that high. #2. In 2008 the Democrats were poised to win one after a double shot of Bush and the GOP Senate/Congress. #3. People have wanted to vote for a black president ever since Morgan Freeman started portraying one in the movies. They've done it now, so they can cross it off their 'to do' list. #4. Mormons are all in for Romney. #5. Obamania isn't on this time around. Young people will go back to their apathy and it will show in the vote counts. #6. The 'Shy Tory' effect. Many people stay quiet about who they're voting for, because if they say Romney they think people will think they are racist. So the say nothing or quiver on Obama, but will checkmark Mitt. #7. Obama is going to dominate California, Illinois, and New York. These three massive states give Obama more numerical support then he will get from the electoral college. #8. Latest Gallup poll has Romney at 52% support with Obama at 45%. No Gallup poll showing more than 50% support for a candidate this late in the race has been wrong. #9. Voter ID rules will stop Democrat ACORN types from voting. It will also hamper low class people from bothering to vote and we know that low class people love Democrats because they want free stuff and they don't want to work for it. So any obstruction requiring effort to vote, such as getting a free ID card, is going to keep them away. #10. Romney attended the Bilderberg meeting.

  • 4# - The Salt Lake City Tribune supports Obama. and Glen Beck (a Mormon) had this to say about last nights debate on Twitter..."I am glad to know that mitt agrees with Obama so much. No, really. Why vote?" 5# - You might be right about youth voter apathy as I think Obama spent the last 4 years bending over for Republicans and pissing in the faces of the people who voted for him that wanted him to champion liberal/progressive legislation, end the wars (which he did but dragged his feet), close Guantanamo, stop the Patriot Act, support gay/lesbian rights and hold Wall Street accountable. His refusal to listen to those who voted for him is why the Dems lost in 2010 not to mention the fact that they didn't hold Bushco. accountable for their crimes. 6# - Most people voting for Romney are doing so PURELY BASED ON RACE! It's been proven that Mittens will be George W. Bush 2.0 and how did Bushco. improve their lives? Exactly!

  • 9# - You're a fucking liar, just like all CONsevatives. Acorn was about helping people get registered, specificaly poor people and the Republicans don't want that because those people VOTE AGAINST THEM. Furthermore, asswipe, there have been about 13 recorded cases of voter fraud over the last decade IN THE ENTIRE USA! No, The Voter ID rules are blatant poll rigging by the CONservatives who are, as per usual, projecting their crimes onto others. Not to mention that every other day we get reports of election rigging, lying and cheating about CONservatives/Republican pollsters. So go fuck yourself you dickless motherfucker! 10# - More proof that Romneybot is a tool of the aristocratic ruling class elitists who are buying control of the USA.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Alphas Finale..... anyone like it?

    by Russman

    I liked some of the execution of it but I wish it would've been more widespread... that kind of world would be interesting to see. Hope the show comes back.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 5:15 a.m. CST

    advise to US cousins from a Brit on your upcoming election

    by chronicallydepressedlemming

    1. Ignore polls. Don't be swayed by them and certainly don't cite them. They are meaningless. Remember: "67% of all statistics are made up on the spot" 2. Study the things each candidate has said, then look that up to see if it's true. 30 years ago you didn't have the internet to easily fact check things. Now you do. Figure out what is true, and what is a lie or 'misinformed'. It really doesn't take that long. Usually people on websites have done this for you. Check a few out to get a balance. Don't just pick the one site that tells you what you want to hear. 3. Avoid televised News as a source of information on the election. Or if you insist on watching it, fact check it yourself on the internet a la point 2. Don't just repeat what they've told you like a sheep.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 5:25 a.m. CST

    So Obama wins foreign policy and Romney wins economics?

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Sounds about right. How embarassing would it be if a sitting president loses foreign policy on tv shown around the world? But it all about economics with people outta work and trillions of dollars hanging over our heads. No one done anything about it the last 4 yrs so now its time for a change. Get it? Change? Yeah Obama own campaign slogan is coming back to bite him in his lame ass!

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 6:23 a.m. CST


    by Amfpsych

    Romney has made clear he would like roe v wade overturned and if he wins he will in all likelihood be able to appoint 1 or 2 justices to accomplish this goal. women will still get abortions it'll just be like the old days where it's done illegally with many more woman being hurt or killed. In addition the bad will hurt the poor the most because they won't be able to afford higher priced illegal abortions and thus many many more welfare babies will be produced. My question is how Romney can be viewed as pro-woman with this in mind. Do you really think the regime that would take away a woman's right to choose will also provide her equal pay and more opportunity? That doesn't seem realistic.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Mitt's Horses and Bayonets

    by Samuel Fulmer

    This is the big problem with the Republican military industrial complex circle jerkers, they have no problems dumping tons of money into building ships we don't need or weapons that have no use even as a deterant, but they have no problem cutting from "social" and education programs. We've got to cut from everywhere to balance theis deficit, not just as Mitt says programs that "we don't need."

  • You people need to actually get in touch with reality

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Can't wait for the landslide!

    by Jeff

    Watch Romney squeak out a win and then watch the Tea Party Congress and the GOP Senate rule all three levels of government. America is going to boom! The spirit of Ronald Reagan and Abraham Lincoln will be smiling down on the tears of leftists everywhere. It's going to be so sweet. Welcome back America...welcome back.

  • How are Republicans happy with a candidate who speaks out both sides of his mouth with pretty much every time he opens it?

  • What debate did you watch? Because the one I saw Romney looked tepid, flustered red-eyed, like he was going to break down and cry any minute. Obama by contrast looked cool, confident and goddamn Presidential. And he handed Mittens' sorry ass to him multiple times but most notably on his Battleship smackdown. I actually felt sorry for Mittens after that.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 9 a.m. CST

    Romney's balanced budget

    by film11

    He said it would be in 8 - 10 YEARS...yet he's upset that Obama hasn't done it with only less than four years.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Mitt's answer on cutting the budget: "Come to our website."

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I guess he's afraid to actually say in public what he (or his puppeteers) plans to do to cut the deficit.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    I wish I lived in Judge Briggs' liberal fantasy world

    by magic_ninja

    Where only white people can be racist and shitty single moms like the Lacretia Lanters of the world get a free pass for being shit moms and screwing up their children. Oh wait, that IS the world I live in.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST

    A Romney landslide?? HAH!

    by D.Vader

    Oh you poor fools.

  • I think this is something that everyone should consider when voting in November. Obama has been far from prefect, but one thing he as done is kept taxes low for the Middle Class. Seriously, all partisan bullshit aside, does anyone really want to see their tax exemptions disappear?

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 9:39 a.m. CST

    3 reasons why I have stopped voting Republican...

    by chiwrtr72

    I used to vote republican about 40% of the time, but in my 25 years of voting that number has decreased to zero. 1. The party has gone from smaller government is good to all government is bad. Just look at the idiotic conspiracies about the jobs numbers. 2. The party pushes out people who compromise. They have that stupid petition where GOPs promise never to raise taxes. The bi-partisan committee said that we need to cut spending AND raise taxes. Doing one will not affect the deficit. 3. The Dems now have a stronger record on the economy for the past 40 years (feel free to look that up) and now have better foreign policy. 2 real weaknesses when I first started to vote. Until the GOP comes back from the cliff on the right, they are going to have real trouble.

  • Unfortunately, I feel like many legacy Republicans are trying to hold on to the former glory the party may have once had and are voting against their own best interests and the facts to do so. You're right, at one time the party was moderate and reached across the aisle to get things done. Today, Reagan wouldn't even make it in the GOP. Does anyone really believe that Romney will work with Democrats? I mean his refusal to raise taxes alone is a non-starter. Reagan raised taxes some 11 times.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST

    does anyone really want to see their tax exemptions disappear

    by Samuel Fulmer

    If they raise taxes on the rich, then yes. The thing with the current debt problem is that we have to attack all areas of the budget, as well as raise taxes/cut exemptions for everyone. You can only raise taxes on the rich, but that still isn't going to make up for the money that is needed. Do I want the very miniscule exemptions that I get done away with if it means the rich will pay more, sure. If it's just get rid of my exemptions and let the rich keep more, then no.

  • And this is exactly what someone is voting for if they vote for Romney. He also wants to eliminate Capital Gains tax and the Estate tax for millionaires. Guess who this benefits? Romney.

  • There is simply no way you can reduce let alone eliminate the deficit without raising revenue. And this is why Romney and Ryan are not serious about reducing the deficit.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Overall I thought that Bob Scheiffer did a good job

    by Paul

    A lot better then that Candy Crawley idiot who kept on utting herself into the debate and helping Obama.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST

    putting not utting

    by Paul

  • John McCain new that the tax cuts were irresponsible and that's why he didn't vote for them. Again, putting aside partisan bullshit, if we were serious about reducing the deficit, wouldn't it make sense to temporarily raise taxes at the same time that we make cuts in spending and then after we eliminate the deficit, then we can talk about reducing taxes again?

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST


    by SergeantStedenko

  • Either through raising tax rates, or getting rid of some or all tax exemptions if the United States' debt is going to actually get successfully tackled. There has to be a combination of tax increases for all as well as federal budget cuts or else the debt will still be too out of control to really make a dent.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST

    sergeantstedenko - Tax Cuts

    by nemov

    The reason the tax cuts were set to expire is because it's a winning issue for the GOP. No one like tax hikes and the Democrats keep falling for it. It's the reason Obama hasn't let them expire. Even if the rates expired the extra revenue would be a like a drop in the bucket. I'm not sure why Democrats keep droning on and on about the Bush tax cuts. It's a losing issue and logically it's just a waste of time.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST


    by cerberus33

    For all you republican douchebags with your magnetic ribbons on your SUVs, a Romney Presidency means a shitton of dead American soldiers and more money for his cronies, same with Bush

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST

    @nemov... tax cuts

    by chiwrtr72

    The reason Dems keep droning on about them is because it is important. Romney is write that the tax code needs a overhaul. He says he wants to stop loopholes and deductions but won't touch the deductions that would produce the most revenue and won't say which loopholes. In some idyllic world, the GOP has a case for balancing the budget. But in the real world, they repealed Clinton's law which stated you can't add spending without cutting someplace else. They funded 2 wars but didn't include them in the budget. And now they want to use the money currently being spent on the wars to go into the military instead of paying down the debt. Face it, the Dems do better with the economy. or Since 1900, there have been six continuous Republican stints in control of the White House (11 presidents) and six continuous Democratic periods (8 presidents). Here is what history has shown for the three major economic indicators during that entire span: Stock Market Value Increase: Republicans: 5% Democrats: 12% GDP (Gross Domestic Product): Republicans: 2.6% Democrats: 4.2% Corporate Profits: Republicans: 8.9% Democrats: 10.5%

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Shibboleth of morons: Taxes have to go up.

    by tailhook

    No.. they don't. There is only one way you get yourself out of the hole and thats to expand your tax base(i.e. job growth). In other words.. its the jobs, stupid. Its not that you want higher taxes.. its that you want a lot more people back to work paying taxes. The problem with Obama is he wants to 'soak the rich' while 'giving the middle class breaks'. Economies don't work that way. The middle class works for the rich. If the rich have less money, the middle class has less money. A homeless guy never gave me a job. You always get a job from someone/something with more money than you. And if you guys truly understood how the banking and monetary systems work, you would also realize that nobody truly has a billion dollars at their disposal. Nearly every dime that comes in gets applied somewhere else. Like, who here has a bank account? You do realize that money you gave them is now their money right? That that money is being invested by that bank however they choose.. right? All you get with a bank balance is an I O U and a promise to pay if asked along with insurance that the government will pay the first $100K if the bank defaults.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST


    by lprothro

    It's more of a cycle than the straight line you make it out to be. If the middle and working class ain't spending--the rich don't do as well. There can be no job growth without sufficient consumer demand. A rich guy will invest any money he saves, a working class guy will go by a flatscreen.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Case in point California

    by Paul

    I live in California, the government here has taxed buisnesses like crazy and because of that they are fleeing the state in droves to Arazona, Nevada and other places. California is the perfect example of liberal policies taken as far as they can go to the ruination of everything.

  • And here in Arazona we spell it Arizona.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Yeah and the 7th largest economy is near bankrupt

    by Paul

  • People are incapable of understanding the nuances of how socialist capitalism works. And yes we have socialist capitalism in this country. Remember TARP when the government bailed out Wall St. and the Too Big To Fail Banks? Yeah, people on welfare and entitlements aren't the only ones who benefit from socialism. I disagree that returning taxes to pre-Bush rates is just a drop in the bucket. Maybe to the 2% it is. Personally, I think that tax rates on the highest earners needs to return to pre-Reagan levels of about 70%, including Capital Gains. I'm not saying this has to be permanent, only until we eliminate the deficit. And for those who would say that this would kill the economy, guess what ACTUALLY happens when the rich are taxed more: They expand their businesses a in order to take home more money. Right now they have no incentive to expand. It's human nature. When people have less money they work harder to make more. This goes for salaried workers as it goes for "Job Creators."

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST

    A little clarification of my previous post:

    by SergeantStedenko

    When income tax levels are higher on business owners, they have more incentive to invest the profits back into the business itself instead of just pocketing them. But, we can't even talk about this because the rich in this country have spent so much money in think tanks and propaganda brainwashing the public to believe that lower taxes is the solution to everything. Once again, all partisan bullshit aside, ask yourself the question, who really benefits from the current myth that low taxes on top earners is good for the country? Clue: it's not the Middle Class and people who actually work for a living. You need to constantly ask where do these ideas come from instead of just accepting them as truth.

  • Remember WE are the Majority and We have the Power to Make what we SAy be the Law of the Land. They have you all just accepting the status quo and thinking that only the few elite deserve to enjoy the fruits of our labor. That somehow we are the weak ones because we weren't born with silver spoons in our mouths. Never forget, We do have Power despite all the money they spend to keep our voices silent.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST

    The Sergeant signing out.

    by SergeantStedenko

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Guys? This bickering is pointless.

    by Monroville

    Whatever happens, happens. It is obvious that reality doesn't play a very big role on this site, and this is no exception. I don't know how much I can trust Romney as he has implemented plenty of liberalesque policies as governor. Obama on the other hand has completely betrayed all of his promises and sold out to the 1% (GE paid 0% corporate taxes and who knows what taxes Jeff Immelt, Warren Buffet and George Soros have paid in the last 4 years). Sgt Stedenko: you've got to be kidding me. Rich people do not produce more when they are taxed more. They SHELTER their wealth from more taxes and expected future tax increases. They CAN'T expand shit if they don't have the money or permits to do so, and no one is going to spend a ton of money if there is the high possibility that the government is going to take away most or all of the profit, regardless of how they get it. Even so, as gas goes to over $6 in California and gas stations run out of gas and we recreate the Carter gas lines all over again, all of you Obama supporters keep convincing yourselves that he's done a good job. Not going to say Romney will save the day, as he's probably bought and paid for by the same rich people (anyone see BULWORTH a decade ago?), but O has had 4 years to turn things around and the obvious to the rational among us is that all he's done is hit the accelerator. But you keep right on believing, just like all of those women who keep convincing themselves that THIS time their man won't cheat on them... again... after the 10th time being caught with another woman.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 5:03 p.m. CST


    by John Brown

    The question is trajectory--if Obama's budgets (and there really haven't been any, actually) were moving towards being balanced that would be one thing. But adding a trillion in new debt each year doesn't do it. I'd give Obama all the time in the world if it looked like he was serious about eliminating the deficit. All he tells me is that he will raise taxes on the rich, which will do nothing. You would have to increase their tax rate to 88 percent to cover the deficit.

  • Doesn't that also give them more incentive to try and hide the money in offshore accounts in order to avoid paying the taxes? You are right, there is no easy, linear, solution. No "A + B = C" equation that will make everyone happy and reduce (or eliminate) the deficit. Here in Toronto our mayor got elected on the promise of lowering taxes and eliminating wasteful spending. It proved to be a popular platform as pretty much everyone likes the idea of paying less in taxes and no one will come out in favour of wasting taxpayer money. Problem is, one man's wasteful expenditure is another's essential service. There are those who voted for him now finding out that his notion of what is wasteful does not jibe with theirs. Broad strokes and general statements sound good, but the devil's in the details.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST

    And to CreepyThinMan? Republicans NEVER had 60% control of anything

    by Monroville

    Unlike the democrats for the last 2 years of Bush's second term (what do you know? When the economy went to shit!) and the first 2 years of Obama's presidency... which means that O had 2 YEARS where Republicans could not filibuster or do jack shit to stop anything, as the Democrats had more than enough of a majority to pass whatever the hell they wanted to, including impeaching/imprisoning George W. Bush for war crimes. To all of you liberals here: you never think about that, do you? What in the fuck were democrats doing the whole time republicans were wrecking the economy? You think they were just sitting there doing nothing? If you bother to go back and check on the votes, most of the Ds voted FOR Bush's policies (including O), especially considering that most of the policies passed where damn near written by the democrats themselves. The "No Child Left Behind" act? Ted kennedy wrote that. Now I'm not going to defend republicans nor say they are any better... but when are you guys EVER going to take any sort of responsibility for anything? You are like perpetual teenagers who want the freedom to smoke your weed and fuck in your room in your parent's house without realizing it's still your parent's house. You want the freedom to have fun but you don't want to pay the bills, which you then dump on everyone else. Now I like my sex and drugs the few times I get them, but for as immature as I am even I know I'm responsible for myself. I control my spending and pay my bills, and never put myself in a position that I am not in control of. Besides, you DO know that Obama is just as much a 1%er as Romney is, right? So why defend a rich bastard who exploits the poor for his own benefit so as to attack another rich person who may or has done the same thing? And you DO realize that Romney is just slightly less liberal than Obama, right? It's not as if we have 2 distinct choices to choose from... but hey, you guys keep pretending there is actually something to fight for or against.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Big Jim: the reason the defecit will never go down

    by Monroville

    Is because there is no law punishing any politicians from spending a penny more than what they take in. You can increase taxes all you want; if the government spends it all away on everything BUT paying down the debt then you are back to square one, whereupon politicians will talk about raising taxes even higher and on more aspects of your life. That is how it works. They have to create the justification for tax increases, which have ALWAYS been the means of controlling the population of any country or entity.

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST

    And as far as the difference between the voters?

    by Monroville

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    stop it monroville. you are making too much sense for the genocidal libtards.

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

  • Oct. 23, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Monroville apparently slept through the 90s

    by chiwrtr72

    Because you know the deficit went down. The lawmakers even made a pay as you go law. But pay no attention to that. The Dems should be ashamed for not doing more the first two years of Obama's term. But if you go back, you'll realize that Obama intentionally tried to push bi-partisan laws. But I don't expect someone who irrationally blames the Dems for the recession to see the truth.

  • The Gingrich revolution.<p> Try fact checking next time before you attempt to sound learned by wiki ing Presidential timelines. Fact: presidents cannot pass budgets.....Congress can, which makes a interesting correlation to the Pelosi revolution of 2006 wherein the seeds of economic malaise were really planted contrary to the very bestest efforts of the dunce Maddow and Matthews to portray otherwise.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 12:45 a.m. CST

    November 7th

    by Ill Clinton

    The accusations of voter fraud/suppression begin.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 2:15 a.m. CST


    by Hercules

    David Letterman just called Rachel Maddow "the smartest person I know." Now before you use the word "dullard" one more time, I want you to look up what "dullard" means.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Obama vs. Romney: Whoever wins...we lose.

    by Gary Makin

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 6:05 a.m. CST

    monroville the Democrats didn't have 60 seats in the Senate..

    by ganymede3010

    This is the bald face I see perpetuated by misleading conservatives on a daily basis. The Democrats only have 58 seats, that's why we had to appease Susan Collins and Oylmpia snow to the get stimulus passed (a majority of which went to tax cuts) and you anti American Republicans still wouldn't vote for it. So please stop saying that Obama had zero obstructionism, that's had he had to use the deem and pass provision to get health care signed into law.

  • I guess now that "The Dave" has confirmed what many liberals already secretly knew that "Dr." Rachel Maddow is indeed the smartest person in the world.<p> Of course there's only the slight caveat that using David Letterman to justify an intelligence rubric is about as funny as using Matthews to justify media objectivity.<p> Again.....who's David Letterman, and what exactly does he bring to the table in this discourse.<p>

  • being a pampered Hollywood liberal.<p> Now if Stephen Hawking had called "Dr." Maddow the smartest person he ever knew, then herc might be onto something.<p> Instead we get the erudite, C-grade, mensa scholar formerly known as David Letterman as some sort of comical justification of "Dr." Maddow's intellectual worth to the world.<p>

  • But hey. If that's what you hold up as some intellectual giant, it actually explains alot to me...

  • Just felt like giving you all some updates...

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 8:51 a.m. CST

    keep preaching truth to power coughlin.....

    by sauronthepowerful

    the dental industry is singlehandedly being kept afloat by all of the nightguard orders being put in by the aicn liberl elite as they grind their teeth down to the nub daily as they cannot stomach the very real emerging truth that is begininning to gain consensus nationally.<p> But then again.....David Letterman's tacit quantification of "Dr." Maddow's actual contribution to the national lexicon gives the drowning left their perpetual hope born of folly.....

  • Why do liberals have to lie? I really don't get it. This isn't a difference of opinion. This is history

  • Preach nothing but bullshit based on lies in the hope that they can scare enough simpletons into believing them/voting for them. Mainly to obtain money and power because all your worthless lots cares about is hegemonic domination. You have no interest in GOVERNING, crafting legislation that will help progress and advance civilization or improve the quality of life as CONservatives are really regressives which is why you attack education and science at every oppertunity while constantly trying to drag of society back into the fucking dark ages. You prove this with every lies you speak and every action you take.

  • You really should meet a conservative and talk to them some time and try to understand where they are coming from instead of just attacking their motives. It's not constructive at all...

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 10:20 a.m. CST

    or Bill Maher for that matter.....

    by sauronthepowerful

    when you actually have to play grown-up for a day you might just actually learn something akin to reality instead of pledging total, blind fealty to your liberal overlords in the media.<p> But I digress.<p> Keep preaching cough and jay.....the excitement continues to build as the liberal intelligentsia continues their assbackslide into generational obscurity.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Can't wait for Rupaul's Drag Race.

    by Pat

    Those girls are gonna sashay and chante it on to a whole other level!

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Bullshit Coughlin Lies, there were 58 Dem seats

    by ganymede3010

    In order to get to 60 they needed to the 2 independent seats to vote with them. As you know, Joe Lieberman always voted with the President...NOT!

  • Romney and Bush are two different people. The world is a different place from 8 years ago. One guy has nothing to do with the other.

  • Sorry your guy is losing. Even David Letterman (Herc's Hero) is mad at Obama for lying...

  • It's really unbelievable.

  • Romney wins huge. creepythinman will have to be put on suicide watch.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Romney and Bush are two different people...

    by Michael Tyree

    ...yet Romney is using a lot of the same foreign policy advisors from the Bush administration. Great, here we go on another round of "Neocon Nation Building." Really, there WILL be WMD's this time...honest. I don't know who's worse: Romney the Liar or Ryan, Mr. Atlas Shrugged III, the Liar. Can you magine that doey eyed gimp with his Red Bull stoked finger on The Button? Admittedly, not quite as scary as the thought of Palin's finger on The Button but scary nonetheless. Amazing that this country's middle-class would vote in the same Republican (see: Offshoot of The Tea Party) party that continually administration that continually screws them over. Tinkle (On) Down economics here we come again! Oh wait, all those tax cuts and unemployment is still high? Why isn't the piss metriculating down like it's supposed to? Thank God we had President Obama to pull the bus back from the edge of the cliff and set us back on the road to recovery. Geez, imagine if McCain had won and all the economic turmoil had given him a heart attack. Palin (shudder)...Palin (shudder)...Palin. Yes, please vote in the party that thought it was a great idea to run Sarah Palin. They have many, many more such brilliant ideas like the ever popular Voodoo Economics! Yes, let's increase defense spending even more (after all, thirteen carrier battle groups AREN'T enough to take on those diabolical Chinese and their single training carrier...what, it has NO planes?!!), cut taxes EVEN MORE (always popular with their Tea Party Masters) and, TAH-DAH...balance the budget. Go ahead, swallow that bullshit one mo' time! So, yeah, elect Romney and suffer buyer's remorse starting January 21, 2013.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Update on the Benghazi situation...

    by Michael Tyree

    ...from Fox News. Funny, the CIA still isn't certain of all the facts but that didn't stop Mitt the "Politicize American Deaths" Romney from blaming Obama right off the bat. Wow, such a splendid and moral person.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    @Coughlins Laws

    by Judge Briggs

    Ummm ... the swing states polls (only ones that matter in this election) suggest that Romney is NOT going to win, let alone in a landslide. Now, if Obama does win ... will you accept the fact he won? Or will you come up with some new conspiracy theory about voter fraud or other dubious claims?

  • That terrorists were planning to strike US landmarks using highjacked airliners. Holy fuck, I couldn't imagine the Republican fury if 911 happened under a Democratic administration.

  • And the ever dependable Coughlin's Laws is here. Gotta give this guy credit - for years, like clockwork, he's shown up in all of these political TB's to express his(her?) opinion. But this is not the same AICN as we used to have with BSB and Danny Glover's Dickmilk. Politics is banal and boring now folks. It's all over but the shouting. It's a game for the youth whom are still alive enough to believe it matters. If it wasn't for all the innocent critters getting screwed over by the "highest ordered species" on this mudball, I'd say I hope the worst people win so we blow the whole bullshit circus up. Not looking to be pretentiously nihilistic here..just so very tired of people constantly telling me the world is about to end if such and such and so and so get into power. This idiocy has been going on for centuries and it was boring and tired when people did it without it NEVER ENDS. radio, tv, never ever stops. EVER. Seriously, I feel bad for you guys who are so up on this stuff...i was and have been trying to exorcise this shit from my existence. I used to imagine the days just falling off the end of my life getting pissed at suit&tie politicians and theit supporters as if it's not, at best, a keystone cops episode of people with good intentions screwing everything up; or, at worse, a conspiracy filled psychotic jello mold of apeshittery where any number of veiled interests are putting us at each other's throats as they proudly and blithely steal our mother's milk. Boring, predictable, pretentious. And yet here I am, unable not to post my own personal drivel/screed too....whoopee!!!!

  • Per PPP, the second most accurate pollster in 2008 (right behind SurveyUSA), Obama and Romney are tied at 48 nationally today. In Ohio, SurveyUSA has it Obama 47-44, unchanged from last week, suggesting the race remains static there, which isn't good for Romney this late in the game. Rasmussen has Ohio a tie. In 2008, Rasmussen's last poll of Ohio had it a tie, Obama went on to win Ohio by 5%. It's important to note that no poll this season has shown Romney with a lead there, which, again, is not good for Romney. In Coughlin's all famous Gallup, Romney started the week with a 7 point lead among likely voters. Today Romney has a 3 point lead, suggesting a growing Obama bounce after the final debate. Obama's approval in Gallup also stands at 53%, and, historically, an incumbent's approval rating has been a good indicator of his vote share on election day. Gallup has unemployment at 7.4%. When Gallup had September's UE rate at 7.9, the BLS numbers came out to 7.8. When October's jobs report is released by the BLS 4 days before the election, expect it to coincide slightly with Gallup's, probably higher than 7.4 but less than 7.8. This will be another boon for Obama, especially in Ohio, which is experiencing its lowest unemployment in years. Combining polling avarges, Obama currently holds leads in the battleground states of Iowa, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Nevada, New Mexico. Colorado is currently tied. Romney holds leads in Florida, Virginia (most polling is showing a tie or a slim Romney lead, some polling even showing a slight Obama lead, but I take those with a grain of salt), and North Carolina. But picking off those 3 states alone from the 2008 Obama column will not be enough to help Romney come election day, even if he carried Colorado with them, which is unlikely. Again, early vote numbers in battleground states continue to favor Obama by wide margins, by around 20-30 points, numbers that are helping to drive up Obama's polling advantages in those battlegrounds. This will be a close race, not a landslide for either candidate, no matter how much one side tries to spin it. But there is a very narrow path to victory for Romney, and the odds are not on his side. Nate silver at fivethirtyeight correctly predicted the outcomes of 49-50 states in 2008 and correctly predicted the outcomes of all 35 senate races by using polling averages, which is a very accurate systems taking into account the drastic swings of disparate polling outfits. Using the same model, he's currently predicting a 68.1% chance of Obama's re-election, with about 290 electoral votes and a slim victory in the popular vote, 50-48.9 percent. But, as we know, it's the electoral vote that elects our presidents.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Obama's 270 = W(isconsin) O(hio) N(evada)

    by Judge Briggs

    And those states have/are trending VERY favorably in Obama's corner. Everything else is hanging on the rim for a dunk with Obama's balls in Romney's face.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Another thing to take into account in Ohio: Senator Sherrod Brown (D).

    by American Mythos

    Sherrod Brown is a progressive firebrand in Ohio, and currently holds considerable leads over his Republican opponent there. When I say progressive firebrand, I mean on the level of Al Franken or the late Paul Wellstone. It's unlikely his supporters are going to vote for him then for Romney, at least in considerable proportions to drive Romney to victory in Ohio. In summation, Ohio is almost a certain victory for Obama. But it's a must-win for Romney.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    American Mythos ...

    by Judge Briggs

    I can't believe that little shit Mandal was able to become a Senatorial candidate ... the KID is WAY out of his league going up against someone like Brown. I watched the last debate and man oh man, the kid was well rehearsed in tea baggery talking points ... but again, showed he has no business being a Senatorial candidate for a state like Ohio.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Why Romney will lose:

    by BrannigansLaw

    I have yet to hear any cogent and well-reasoned support of Romney from anyone who says they actually support him. All I keep hearing is that Obama is bad because the economy is bad, and that Romney is good because (?). "Romney/Ryan 2012!!" Well... that's like firing the fireman for not putting out the blaze fast enough, but hiring an arsonist to finish the job. Crazy.

  • To say nothing of his lack of substance.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Has Mandal gone through puberty yet?

    by American Mythos

  • I guess the way to look at it is the Republicans only had 40 Senators and could not stop one single Democrat proposal, even if they wanted to, because Obama had 60 votes for his pet programs...

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST


    by Chris Moody

    That is why he will lose.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Obama LIED about Libya.

    by Chris Moody

    The emails that were released today reveal the extent of his desperate attempt to "save face."

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 3 p.m. CST


    by chiwrtr72

    Sorry for the name calling but to quote schoolyard rules... you started it. Yes I remember the contract with america... the contract of broken promises. I love that Congress now has term limits. Oh wait... Congress passes budgets but needs the signature of the president. Clinton was the one who pushed for pay as you go laws. And it was the GOP who folded when they shut down the government. Strangely enough it was also conservatives who came up with the healthcare model (under the Heritage Foundation) that was passed under Obama. I do think Clinton was pushed to the center on some issues, but that was back when the GOP actually compromised instead of making it their mission to balk at anything Obama put forth.

  • Obama LIED about Libya. Obama is STILL lying about Libya.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Why no mention of the IronMan 3 trailer? It's very cool...

    by BrannigansLaw

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Obama is not a good president.

    by Chris Moody

    He wasn't even a good highly paid "community organizer" either.

  • BUZZFEED fact checks Obama's claims and ever-changing promises.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST

    BUZZFEED fact checks Obama:

    by Chris Moody

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST

    The report also said...

    by Michael Tyree

    "Intelligence experts caution that initial reports from the scene of any attack or disaster are often inaccurate." Wow, talk about reading what you want to does that translate to Obama lying when he mentioned terror attack in his first statement. Anyway, nice fat red herring you Obama haters keep pulling from your fetid waters. Mitt was still an asshole for politicizing it right off the bat. God forbid that freak gets his slimy fingers on The Button.

  • ... just like McCain did, and lost there, is Romney's concession that the race is all but lost for him.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Brannigan: I support Romney...

    by Chris Moody

    ...because I agree with most of what he wants for this country. Plus, he isn't Obama. Obama is a MESS and has no idea what he is doing.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Clint Eastwood: "Obama is a rerun -- a rerun of the last four years."

    by Chris Moody

    'Nuff said!

  • Still, I am voting against him because of his POLICIES.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST

    @ american mythos: BULLSHIT!

    by Chris Moody

    Most polls indicate an INCREASE in support for ROMNEY -- especially reflected in the biased Liberal polls! Gallup has Romney up by six. Rasmussen has Romney up by four. NBC has a tie. Politico has Romney up by two. More importantly: Romney is leading in EVERY poll that factors in "likely voters." Try again?

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Obama will lose because he LIED about Libya.

    by Chris Moody

    He is a deceptive asshole who is bitter (and shocked) that people aren't willing to take his word on anything any longer.

  • Science = liberal Academia = liberal Media = liberal Tired excuses for reasons why the world doesn't work the way you want it to. What will you say when Romney loses? ACORN? VOTER FRAUD? blah blah blah What did you say when 9/11 occurred? Even though there is plenty of evidence that the Bush Admin was given plenty of notice that Al Qaeda was determined to strike ... perhaps selective outrage, er I mean, partisan outrage over the Libyan attacks? Fact of the matter is the Rmoney hasn't/isn't leading any Ohio polls ... and he needs Ohio like Fox needs to make shit up for ratings. W(isonsin) O(hio) N(evada) = 270. Fuck national polls because the south is overwhelmingly for Romney (I wonder why too?) It's swing states that matter and Obama is doing well across the board in them.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    branninslaw and mythos.....

    by sauronthepowerful

    Rasmussen Romney +4 Moe 3.0<p> Gallup Romny +3 Moe 2.0<p> ABC/Wshington Post Romney +1 Moe 3.0 (that would be the veryliberal ABC news and Washington pos mind you).<p> Gallup Romney +3 Moe 2.0 w 2700LV sampled Monmouth/Braun Romney +3 Moe 2.6<p> Politico (otherwise known as"Dr." Rachel Maddow's useless female napkin) Romney +2 Moe 3.1<p> Yeah, I an see howthe polls are reflecting a Big O landslide....Oh and by the way, every poll that has Barry leading sapled under 1000 votersand is run by the likes of CBS news and IBD (you know,the guys actually labelled as Democratic pollsters) all of the above I quoted you had a much larger, and herefore harder to accurately cherrypick and taint sample size betwen 1382-2700.<p> As for Ohio.....Mr. Sotero went from double digit leads in mid september to 1.9 currently WELL WITHIN ANYONE's Margain Of Error.<p> And............oh yeah.............I actuall thought the dannyglover'sdickblood retort was kind of funny

  • Neither Romney or you can give any details of any plan that he's put forth. Romney's endorsement of Obama points to the fact that Romney has no plan accept to do what Obama is doing. If the conservatives are right about Obama (i.e. he will destroy the country), and Romney has been saying that he'll do exactly what Obama is doing, why on Earth would you support him? It just doesn't make any sense.

  • None of the polls tell the real story, though. Republicans hated Mitt. But since the first debate, they've come to believe he's their best chance of beating Obama. All you see is a reflection of the shift in Republican enthusiasm for their own candidate. It doesn't actually translate into momentum for Romney overall, just with the Republican base. My gut tells me that Obama is going to win in a major landslide (electorally). And my hope is that the loss will shake some sense into a Republican party that has lost its way.

  • Claiming this republican lovefest is born of late simply isn't true.....regardless<p> Gallup runs on a 7 day cycle so where you get this idea of lag is beyond me. Romney's numbers continue to spike IN SPITE OF THE BIDEN AND SECOND DEBATE PERCEPTIONS AND PERFORMANCES. That in and of itself should DEEPLY scare the liberal base.

  • I didn't forget. I could post pre-debate links to back me up, but it's just as easy to do a search. Conservatives were PISSED at Romney for (apparently) losing an election against someone they believed should be easily defeated. This went on until that first debate.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 5:07 p.m. CST

    BTW, a 7-day cycle is a lag in this fast-paced election.

    by BrannigansLaw

  • Ohio has tightened up quite considerably to +1.9% from around 9-10%.<p> Iowa, New Hampshire, Florida, and Virginia look very attainable at this point.<p> If this election were so hyper paced why has Big O continued to fall in national averages since the convention bounce. Shouldn't he be picking up nations l steam in the realclear average. 3 weeks ago no national poll had Romney ahead. Now a majority of currently dated, large sample surveys with tightening margins of error indicate a severe Romney swell.<p> If I were a liberal, I'd be worried, for what that's worth.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST

    "coughlins earlier arguements".....$&@& autocorrect!

    by sauronthepowerful

  • What are you conservatives not getting? Obama has clear leads in every battleground except CO (tied), VA (tied), NC (Romney), and FL (tied, but I'd give Romney the advantage). And Obama can win without those states. Romney would have to win all those states, then pick of a combination of the remaining battlegrounds. He won't get PA, so that leaves him a combo of IA and WI (Marist has Obama +8 in IA, +6 in WI), or WI and NH. The math isn't there for Romney, and cherry picking national polls won't help. Rasmussen, which leans R (Scott Rasmussen is a Republican), has a history of showing Republicans with artificial leads, only to shrink in the last few days to save face after the election. Expect their numbers to start shifting to Obama in the next few days, as Gallup's have this week (a 4 point movement toward Obama in just a few days I'd say is a considerable shift, and I don't even like Gallup's screening methods, but it does show an undeniable trend).

  • Let's look at the real story: Reuters/Ipsos O+1, RAND O+4, IBD/TIPP O+3, Gallup R+3 (down from +7 on Monday), Rasmussen R+4, PPP tied, CVOTER O+2, ABC News-WAPO R+1. So, yeah, 3 of 8 daily trackers give Romney the lead. Call that a victory if you want, but I prefer to live in reality.

  • While I don't think them very reputable pollsters when it comes to their LV models, I do take stock in their job approval numbers. Historically, a president's job approval has been nearly the same as his vote share on election day. I think the president's popular vote share will slightly mirror GWB's in 2004 (50.7). The popular vote will be close, but Obama will likely pull off a comfortable electoral college victory. 13 days is little time for Romney to turn things around in those crucial battlegrounds.

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Politico's Mike Allen put it best:

    by American Mythos

    quote - As an antidote to the (perhaps) irrational Republican exuberance that seems to have seized D.C., we pause for the following public-service announcement. To be President, you have to win states, not debates. And Mitt Romney has a problem. Despite a great debate and what The Wall Street Journal’s Neil King Jr. on Sunday called a polling surge, Romney has not put away a single one of the must-have states. President Obama remains the favorite because he only needs to win a couple of the toss-ups. Mitt needs to win most of them. A cold shower for the GOP: Most polling shows Romney trailing in Ohio, Wisconsin, Nevada, New Hampshire and Iowa – by MORE than Obama trails in North Carolina. Glenn Thrush and Jonathan Martin reminded of us of the 2008 primary analogy: Whatever else Hillary Clinton had, Barack Obama had the math. And math, not momentum, gets you the big house, the bulletproof car, the cool plane. We now resume our regularly scheduled Playbook. - end quote

  • what the fuck are u on man?? stewart must be ur god then. what a fucking joke!! letterman saying that the dullard maddow is *the smartest person i know* MAKES her smart!!! bwahahahahaha!!! u cant make this shit up!!

  • ...BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! letterman says the dullard maddow is *smart*, therefore she MUST be!!! what the fuck, man??

  • BWHAHAHAHAHAA! letterman thinks the dullard is *smart* and that MAKES it true! what a moronic statement! u have made my day, buddy!! *sheeeew*!!

  • Oct. 24, 2012, 8:34 p.m. CST

    sauron- will do buddy :)

    by jay2517

  • Even the leftist letterman can't defend oblameyas lies anymore lol! Oh, its a sad day to be an AICN *registered republican* LOL!!

  • I am going to enjoy reading your comments on November 7th.

  • ... to back up my admittedly layman analysis. In 2010, I conceded that Dems would lose the House of Representatives, because I didn't cherrypick polls to bolster my elusive dreams of Dems holding the House, like a lot of conservatives are now doing in their fantasies of a President Romney. Even Joe Scarborough (R-FL, and the biggest douchebag I've ever seen pass himself off for a newsman) is conceding in his Politico blog that Obama continues to hold 'stubbornly' to a clear electoral advantage, and that it 'should rattle the nerves of Romney supporters.' Just a few days ago he was predicting a Romney victory. Rasmussen, an R-leaning poll, has Romney's lead at 3, down from 4 percent. Gallup, which has favored Romney all October, has seen Romney's lead go from 7 to 3 in just a couple days. Obama is winning by HUGE numbers among early voters, indicating superior ground organization in battleground states that matter. Almost as many daily tracking polls have Obama leading as do tracking polls showing Romney leading, but most are trending toward Obama at this point. But new polls out of Wisconsin and Iowa (these states, along with NH, being Romney's last best hope without Ohio) show Obama with clear leads. I've said it a million times: The math does not readily exist for Romney to win this race.

  • Seriously... how the hell does Justin Verlander pitch that bad???

  • It wasn't a video that caused the attacks in Benghazi. It was a failed foreign policy. Obama spiked the ball when he should have kept his eye on the ball. Out of all the days in the year... out of all of the days... common sense dictates that you amp up security on 9/11. Especially, on American interests abroad. According to Amb. Steven's own diary he was worried that he was on a “hit list.” There were two direct attacks on the Benghazi consulate before 9/11. We now know that Lt. Col. Andrew Wood (Special Ops) requested more security. Eric Nordstrom even went on record stating security was inadequate... requested more... and was consistently turned down. He even went so far to describe the bureaucracy within the President's State Department as the "Taliban." See:

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST

    @ chain Your comparison between Israel and Iran is fallacious.

    by SunTzu77

    Iran is an immense threat to the United States and our allies. Iran can not be allowed to go nuclear. Unlike North Korea and other Socialistic leaning countries – Iran's hierarchy subscribes to a fanatical belief system. The President of Iran, Ahmadinejad, believes he can “hasten” the return of the al Mahdi through a nuclear apocalypse. Iran doesn't need a warhead necessarily to mobilize nuclear material. Iran can easily give the nuclear material to Hezbollah in order to create a dirty bomb some type and drive it or “fly” it into Israel. Iran has already given drones to Hezbollah. I foresee a joint air strike with Israel. You would have to deliver a 13,600-kilogram bunker-buster bomb on Fordo. The Pentagon is already readying for this strategy. Or, instead of delivering such a massive bomb on Fordo that could potentially jeopardize surrounding Iranian populations. We could launch a massive operation that would coincide with airstrikes that would entail sending our Delta Force, CIA-SAD, and Mossad, into Fordo and other underground compounds to detonate explosives.

  • Oct. 25, 2012, 7:28 p.m. CST


    by SunTzu77

    The reason they aren't supporting Ron Paul primarily is because of his foreign policy. We live in a global world – this isn't 1944 or 1979. The U.S. Must take an active role in the ME for years to come. Isolationism in this era is a failed policy. Our election comes down to the economy. The Romney / Ryan plan is entirely feasible. You reduce all individual income tax rates by 20%.... eliminate the estate tax... and the alternative minimum tax. You can also remove other deductions or at least cap them... I would personally go so far as to remove the mortgage interest rate deduction. The average layperson might not be able to understand the daedal intricacies of Economics - but those with a business background will be able to do so. Obama was able to increase the debt more in four years than what Bush was able to within eight years. The U.S. corporate tax rate is the highest of all the developed countries - and people wonder why jobs are being shipped out. If I had a corp, I would do the same. Some CEOs are going so far as to renounce their citizenship. I wouldn't go that far... but, I understand why they're doing it. I went through the transcript of the debates and Obama / Biden didn't offer a single plan on how to attack the massive deficit, Social Security, or Medicare. If by some fluke Obama gets re-elected he will be a lame duck President. The Republicans are slated to hold the House and take over the Senate. My economic philosophy is more in line with Ludwig von Mises, Henry Hazlitt, and Milton Friedman. I'm not a Republican or Democrat. I'm not going to clutter up AICN with theory and praxeology. There were two very different ideologies battling it out. Democrats laud the New Deal when it was a complete disaster. Federal spending soared between 1929 and 1932 (under Hoover). When FDR entered the picture in '33 - he kept the same course and spent more - it was disastrous. Spending and taxation robbed the U.S.'s prosperity by about 7 - 10 years. Many would argue that the housing problems began with The Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 (under Jimmy Carter). Clinton later altered the bill in 1995. Also, to Bush's credit, he did bring attention to the housing crisis starting in 2001. Additional reading... I'll boil it down further... Romney was a businessman for over 25 years. Ryan has a Bachelors of Science in Economics. Obama has never worked in the private sector. Biden is a career politician. . Bowles (Obama's fiscal adviser) lauded Paul Ryan's balanced budget plan. Obama's plan didn't even receive a single Democratic vote It was just that lousy. Phew, I don't know folks... this is a hard one!