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3.0 (3.1) (3.4) (1.5) (1.2) (1.0) (1.1) NCIS LA
2.7 (2.8) (2.8) (---) (---) (---) (---) New Girl
2.6 (2.1) (2.7) (3.4) (3.4) (---) (---) Go On
2.3 (2.4) (2.1) (2.3) (2.8) (---) (---) Sons of Anarchy
2.2 (2.1) (2.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) Dancing With The Stars
2.0 (1.7) (2.0) (2.2) (2.5) (---) (---) The New Normal
2.0 (1.6) (1.8) (1.8) (1.9) (---) (---) Parenthood
2.0 (2.0) (2.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) Vegas
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1.8 (1.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Raising Hope
1.6 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Hip Hop Awards
1.6 (1.6) (1.9) (---) (0.5) (---) (---) Private Practice
1.5 (1.6) (2.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) Ben & Kate
1.5 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Keyshia & Daniel
1.5 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) MLBaseball
1.3 (1.4) (1.3) (---) (---) (0.5) (0.5) Tosh.0
0.9 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Amber Behind Bars
0.9 (0.8) (1.0) (---) (---) (---) (---) Brickleberry
0.9 (0.9) (1.0) (0.9) (0.4) (0.8) (0.7) The Daily Show
0.9 (---) (---) (0.7) (1.4) (1.1) (1.7) Teen Mom
0.8 (0.8) (0.7) (0.9) (0.7) (0.8) (0.7) Face Off
0.7 (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (---) (0.6) (0.6) Colbert Report
0.7 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Ink Master
0.5 (0.5) (0.6) (0.4) (0.5) (0.6) (0.5) Chopped
0.5 (0.7) (0.2) (0.3) (0.3) (---) (0.2) Hart of Dixie
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0.4 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Bait Car
0.4 (0.5) (0.6) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (---) Flipping Out
0.4 (0.5) (0.2) (0.2) (0.3) (0.3) (0.5) Hannity
0.4 (0.4) (0.3) (0.5) (0.5) (0.4) (0.4) House Hunters
0.4 (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.3) (0.6) 19 Kids/Counting
0.4 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Prank My Mom
0.4 (0.3) (0.4) (0.4) (0.3) (0.3) (0.4) The O’Reilly Factor
0.3 (0.4) (0.3) (0.4) (0.5) (0.3) (0.4) House Hunters Intl
0.3 (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (---) (---) Poker
0.3 (0.3) (0.3) (0.4) (0.2) (---) (---) Rachel Maddow
0.3 (---) (0.2) (---) (---) (---) (0.3) Shepard Smith
0.3 (0.3) (---) (---) (---) (---) (0.4) Van Susteren
0.2 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Dr. Horrible
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or was that roll already there when she moved in? Hang on, she says she wipes with paper towel but then says she doesn't believe in things you use just to throw away "like toilet paper and paper towel". I'm a little curious about that show now. Will they look into whether or not her way of doing things really saves money? For example, the extra water she is using to rinse her clothes in the tub, does she pay for that in her water bill (over not spending $6 a month at the laundromat).
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Oct. 16, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST
Hopefully Obama won't be thwarted by having his wife be pissy at him about his anniversary this time
by Al
Oh, crap, did I buy her a gift? Wait, I'm on the air in a debate? Oh crap!
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Oct. 16, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST
Well, at least the President will probably do better this time.
by MisterE
He couldn't do much worse. I'm still pissed at the guy for his poor performance.
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Tipping point, country may be lost forever, "Triumph of evil", "1,000 years of darkness", unite for God & Country". Geez, why sugarcoat it? Why not just come right out and call Obama the Anti-Christ whose only goal is destroying personal freedoms to the point that would even make Stalin say "c'mon, man, that's going a bit far, don't you think?". From perusing these TBs I was under the impression there was nothing worse than socialism.
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Oct. 16, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST
Yeah, I'll be rooting for the Tigers and watching Sons of Anarchy.
by Uncle Pooky
I'll leave it to the sheep like Jay2517 to froth over the pointless theatrics of politics.
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Oct. 16, 2012, 3 p.m. CST
Chuck Norris' wife is pretty hot. And he's over 70 years old(!)
by kidicarus
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As in "WHAT THE FUCK WAS OBAMA DOING AT THE FIRST DEBATE?!?!?" The ENTIRE campaign up until that point was all about how HORRIBLE a politican and human being Romney is, which the man himself was eager to prove. So what does Obama do when he FINALLY gets the chance to call Mittens out on his never-end stream of radical bullshit...? NOTHING! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! YOU SO STUPID! STUPIIIIDDDDDDDD!!! Seriously though, for ANYONE that supports Obama and has been following what he ACTUALLY has and hasn't done (which is pretty much the exact OPPOSITE of what EVERY last teabagger says he has), the last debate was his most pathetic moment, and his most costly. Before the debate, Obama was running so far ahead of Romeny in EVERY swing state that no amount of fundraising or campaigning would be able to let him catch up. ALL OBAMA HAD TO DO WAS SHOW UP AND BE HIMSELF!!! Instead, we got this imposter who could barely look up (what the fuck was THAT all about? I kept telling folks he was writing notes until I found out that no note taking was allowed) and refused to stand up to Romney on even one single lie! But the one thing you can't say about Obama is that he makes the same mistake twice, and so I fully expect the Obama of 2008 to be on display tonight. Another bad showing will mean he loses the presdency and all these freedom-hating conservatives will get to run roughshod over over country in a way that makes the Bush years look like Disneyland by comparsion.
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There's no better way to let the world know you're a terrible, awful, shallow person.
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Tell me where in the constitution it says that we have a right to fly on an airplane, please.
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People who don't drive, don't fly either you dick. Go die now.
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low income people, like latinos, the ederly, blacks etc., can't afford ID. it's only republicans that are pushing this voter fraud bullshit. you don't see any democrats talking about voter fraud. between 2000 and 2009 there were six cases of voter fraud, so are you really going to tell me it's that serious?
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Oct. 16, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST
briggs- tell me where in the constitution it says we have the right to vote, please.
by jay2517
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Read up on the 15th amendment ... then see why/how the Voting Rights Act applies ... and why the argument 'people need an ID for buying alcohol' isn't the same... Oh what the hell am I doing feeding the tr0ll that is Jay? He lives in right-wing fantasy world.
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The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
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This Voter ID is a solution to a problem Republicans can't even prove really exists, but one which stands to disenfranchise thousands. So, your cure is worse than the disease. More to the point, this is being done mainly so the GOP can cut out demographics they don't like shape the electorate to keep them in power. It's the dick move of people who don't think they can keep power without abusing their authority.
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is in the constitution and that gives me a right to intoxicating alcohol, and I have to show my ID for that.
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Oct. 16, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST
briggs- u have the *right* to qualify to vote. thats it. unless, all 12 yr olds have the *right* to vote? or felons? or illegal aliens?
by jay2517
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Oct. 16, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST
this seems stereotypical "low income people, like latinos, the ederly, blacks etc., can't afford ID."
by thepoohguy
You know who else can't afford IDs, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!
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*The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.*--- providing an id denies no one of this. it just proves who u are. *All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.*--- providing an id denies no one of this. it just proves who u are. *Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.*--- providing an id denies no one of this. it just proves who u are. u need an id for basic human interactions. unless, u consider cashing ur check or welfare check a *tax*. or going to college. or going into a R rated movie. or picking ur kid up from school. or renting/buying a house. or renting an apartment. and on and on. *sigh*... BTW- WHY do u progressives endorse voter fraud??? why???
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Beyond being a racist fucking statement by jp1, how much does getting a gddamn ID from the DMV cost in your fucking state??? Extremely poor people have time to stand in line for food stamps and housing assistance. Are you telling me that they can't stand in line for a state ID at the DMV? Here's an idea, if its SO FUCKING EXPENSIVE, let's throw in the cost of getting an ID with any government assistance rendered so that they can show their VALID ID when they go to the polls. There, the right to vote of absolutely NO American citizen is being abridged in any way and we can be sure of who, in fact, is casting a vote at the polls. It's not that fucking hard. The argument that conservatives want to disenfranchise ANYONE is intellectually dishonest and bigoted. Showing an ID at the polls is about ensuring that American citizens are the ones casting votes.
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Oct. 16, 2012, 5:19 p.m. CST
thepoohguy - stereotypical is OK if it's from a lib and furthers the cause
by F This
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Oct. 16, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST
btw- speaking of ratings....the dullard maddow once again gets destroyed by BOR....
by jay2517
BOR- 3.6 the dullard maddow- 1.3 OUCH! how will pooky and Herc the fucking Hack handle yet another beatdown to the dullard maddow?? well, i know ONE idiot hack will ignore it :)
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Common sense in a talkback? Thanks. +10
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no SSN you dont vote
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Oct. 16, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST
racialicious, fraudalicious, politicalicious, Chicagolicious...
by schadenfreudian
See? See what an asshole that makes me sound like?
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Oct. 16, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST
you have to pay to get an id. its illegal to make people pay to vote. its that simple.
by jsfithaca
if you think that these voter id laws are anything but an attempt by republicans to disenfranchise democratic voters, you're living in a fantasy land. i mean the house republican leader in pennsylvania literally said so in a recorded speech. and i know having an id can seem like a pretty basic thing, but if it was then this issue wouldnt be disenfranchizing so many voters. and saying we endorse voter fraud by opposing voter id laws is like saying we're pro-alien invasion because we don't want to nuke mars. voter fraud poses about the same threat as aliens from mars do. anyways who else is pumped for sons of anarchy tonight?
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Read my post above. Your argument is intellectually dishonest and just wrong. What, there's NO feasible way to get the poor a state ID? Is that what you are really arguing? If a voter ID law is passed, then at the same time, a law should be passed that if a person cannot pay for a state provided ID then they can get federal or state government assistance to pay for such an ID. Then NOT A SINGLE American citizen is disenfranchised. Every single person that is eligible to vote can have a state ID and cast their ballot for Republican or Democrat. Is it really so hard? It doesn't have to be. I want every American citizen to vote.
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Oct. 16, 2012, 5:53 p.m. CST
I Hope Chris Matthews blows his top again over Obama's dismal performance
by Kyle DeMattio
Unfortunately, I don't have MSNBC, so I'm gonna have to wait until it shows up on Mediaite.
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Oct. 16, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST
I love how Jay2517 now thinks that I'm a Maddow supporter, simply because I mock his ratings posts
by Uncle Pooky
I have no idea what channel, day, or time her show comes on. Or even what it is called, for that matter. But Jay2517 is not one to let facts get in the way of failing to make a point!
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So isn't that disenfranchising people, using the same faulty logic? We need to just give free shit to anybody who shows up.
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Oct. 16, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST
pooky- WTF are u railing about then? why does it matter that i expose Herc the fucking Hacks hypocrisy? BTW- its not cool living rent free in ur head :(
by jay2517
*I have no idea what channel, day, or time her show comes on. Or even what it is called, for that matter.*--- yet, YOU continue to voice ur apposition to my posts. hmmm, wonder why? logic would dictate ur a fan of the dullard maddow or a defender of the hypocrite Herc. both losing propositions by the way. * But Jay2517 is not one to let facts get in the way of failing to make a point!*--- i produce nothing but facts, thats what infuriates u (and Herc) so. ....rent free...
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Oct. 16, 2012, 6:12 p.m. CST
BTW- id take a small tax increase to pay for the *disenfranchised* to get their *non existant* ids, that they use everyday...except for voting....just to shut the fuck up the race baiting progressive enablers. tax me on that please!!!!
by jay2517
fucking hypocrites.
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Oct. 16, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST
The honey boo Boo family should really host the debate
by Redhead_Redemption
They represent the average american family amirite?
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Oct. 16, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST
Look at that ... conservatives are demanding government funding for those who *CAN'T* afford IDs
by F This
... for some unknown fucking reason. Ok, that problem is solved. Everyone can either pay for an ID or have one provided at government cost. What problems to the opposition to the Voter ID have now? How are the evil conservatives now planning to disenfranchise the poor, elderly, and minorities?
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If every American citizen is suddenly able to get an ID, I wonder what those who oppose voter ID are so fucking afraid of?
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Oct. 16, 2012, 7:02 p.m. CST
There's a third option, Jay2517. Completely independent of being a fan of or defending anyone.
by Uncle Pooky
I'm railing *against YOU* and all the illogical nonsense that you spew. If you get to expose hypocrisy, I get to expose stupidity.
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You don't infuriate me. You'll know when you infuriate me when you find yourself banned and every message you've ever posted on Ain't It Cool disappeared. (I can do both with a single click of my mouse.) I get paid by the talkback. Honestly, I've no idea what you'll talking about half the time, but I encourage you to keep it up, sir.
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the problem is these voter id laws aren't providing people with id's at government cost who can't afford them. if the laws included the provision you proposed, voters wouldn't be disenfranchised and we wouldn't be having this arguement.
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Where? when did the second season start?
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First season finale: "Element of Surprise" 10pm Reelz
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Hello!
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=(I can do both with a single click of my mouse.) = God, there's a mod like him on every board.
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Vote their conscience. Which is exactly what the people who proposed the laws are hoping to prevent. If that was not the case, why weren't these laws passed just after the last election, allowing people time to get the proper id? The fact is, PA shined a light on what is going on around the country. This is not a sincere effort to stop voter fraud. ACTUAL voter fraud does not exist except in miniscule amounts. These measures are to defeat Obama, and nothing more. Anyone who hides behind the ID for liquor, or any other rationalization, already knows this. They are just playing dumb while hoping for a win.
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Oct. 16, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST
Obama came out swinging... and knocked Romney the fuck out. Rombot 5000 walked right into the 47% TKO by Obama. He GAVE Obama that and Obama fucked him up!
by American Mythos
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Oct. 16, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST
american mythos? ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Coughlins Laws
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SOCIALISM FOR ALL.
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Oct. 16, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST
I'm a Democrat, and Obama kicked that Repug's ASS up and down the square!
by John Brown
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Oct. 16, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST
I'm a Republican, and Romney kicked Nobama's ASS up and down the square!
by John Brown
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Oct. 16, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST
C'mon, Coughlins, I was big enough to admit Obama lost the first debate. You be big enough to admit that Romney was eviscerated on live television.
by American Mythos
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...you have the only two responses you need in an AICN political talkback. Nothing to see here..please disperse.
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Oct. 16, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST
Do you honestly believe that? Obama showed up this time, but do you honestly believe he kicked Romney's ass? Really? Seriously?
by Coughlins Laws
Explain to me how you think Obama kicked his ass. Did Obama win every exchange in your mind? Do you believe that Democrats believe that, Republicans believe that, or Independents believe that? I think Mitt made two mistakes. But I fail to see how you think that Obama kicked any ass. At best, it was maybe a tie, or a slight win for either one of them. There was no way any honest person would think that this was an ass kicking either way...
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Oct. 16, 2012, 10:08 p.m. CST
THAT SOUND YOU HEARD WAS THE PRESIDENT HANDING WILLARD AN ASS KICKING
by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION
A masterful display of TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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You made a new account to post that?? Wow... Anyway, this debate was a wash, Obama actually showed up this time was refreshing but they both had there moments. Still voting for Romney but should be interesting how things play out.
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Oct. 16, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST
total fucking disaster, playing to the MSNBC crowd isn't the same as wooing independents. Obama didn't defend his record so much as attack his opponent. If you really believe that
by Coughlins Laws
Obama kicked Romney's ass, you really don't understand people who aren't liberal...
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Oct. 16, 2012, 10:23 p.m. CST
All disgusting insults Aside! Obama lied about Libya, the auto bailout, job growth, and everything.
by Kyle DeMattio
Romney definitely came out on top. He looked straight at the person who asked him that question, and Obama kept walking around like he was lost or something. Some of my friends, who happen to be liberals, are very disappointed at Obama, that should say something to you.
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Lazy twat. Google my name and you'll see that I've been on this site for a long time. In the meantime, open wide and swallow some TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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Mitt doesn't give a shit about the middle class of this country. 47% damns him. Either he truly believes 47% of Americans are too lazy and won't take responsibility for their own lives, or he's a snake who will lie his ass off and flip-flop to get votes/money.
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Oct. 16, 2012, 10:31 p.m. CST
All partisan BS aside, here's a fair and balanced review of what I saw:
by Stifler's Mom
Obama phone in the first debate, and Romney walked away with a major upset. Tonight, Obama was occasionally pushy, but completely dominated Romney. My prediction is that Romney's bounce won't last, this is the Obama people want.
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Oct. 16, 2012, 10:33 p.m. CST
COUGHLINS LAWS SEEMS INTENT ON PROJECTING SOME SORT OF IMMEDIATE COUNTER NARRATIVE
by TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION
Tis' understandable when you've just witnessed the vacuous anus of the man that conservatives don't even trust receive a nice healthy dose of TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION.
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Nice to see Obama was able to stay awake this time. It didn't seem to be a landslide victory for either side though. Both candidates made some good points, and neither have a " spotless" record. Interested to see the next debate- if the focus will be on foreign policy. That should be a good one.
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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls... Lyin' time's here.
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Oct. 16, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST
2 completely pathetic insults for the price of none, What a Deal! Thank you, creepythinman.
by Kyle DeMattio
As a token of my appreciation, here's some Xanax and a glass of low fat milk to calm your nerves down.
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i might give a slight edge to obama
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I imagine you beat the shit out of your keyboard as your typing.. I imagine Herc pressing a huge fuckin red button that sends an electric shock to a lock on your cage opening it and you come bolting out to the keyboard and go on until said keyboard is just in pieces... Bravo sir, you make coming to this site more enjoyable.. and I am not being sarcastic....
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http://youtu.be/2B5o6-qNk6Q
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Oct. 16, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST
My version is funnier.. Also its Cognac, but correct spelling is for pansies...
by GBH
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1. I agree with critic_schmitick, you do make this place more enjoyable. Nobody can murder a keyboard like you can, buddy. By the way, nice touch on the caps lock. 2. I NEVER EVER listen to Rush Limbaugh on the radio, I support his political views, but that's pretty much it. 3. Get some sleep, man. I'm getting real tired of putting you back in your place. Good Night, Everybody!
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Oct. 16, 2012, 11:11 p.m. CST
Creepy- while I can agree that Romney needs to provide specifics about how he intends to handle foreign policy different/better than Obama
by angry kitty
Obama still needs to provide a substantive plan for how he intends to manage Iran. Beyond economic sanctions. The idea that Iran, a country that wants to "wipe Israel off the map" is anywhere near close to mfg of nuclear weapons scares the shit out of me. Negotiations are good, diplomacy is a noble approach but at the end of the day, the world respects STRENGTH. I just don't get that from Obama. He still needs to work to convince me
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Oct. 16, 2012, 11:20 p.m. CST
Are you better off than you were four years ago?
by DanielnocharismaCraig
That's all Romney has to say to win the presidency. It worked for Reagan, it will work for him. Too many people are homless and out of work. It won't even matter at this point if Obama feels their pain or no. Desperate people do desperate things. And Democrats just can't seem to understand that simple fact.
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It was a nice little experiment, except, you know, for the fact of high unemployment, the rest of the world thumbing their noses at us (especially Iran who, thanks to Obama's mealy-mouthing, is about a hair away from having a nuke), and a mini-9/11 happening on Obama's watch - and THIS 9/11 really WAS the President's fault - but the do-nothing senator from Illinois has done enough harm, don'tcha think? Time for something new. Romney has impressed me in both debates so far, and he gets my vote. Thank you and goodnight.
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Here is the problem with lib/progs like yourself, you can't handle a political discourse without going on crazy rants in all caps. You're a zealot, dude. You're so afraid of Obama losing that you're coming emotionally unhinged. They're both a couple of bloodsucking parasites. Both of them, and you can't see it. Many of us will hold our noses and vote Romney because it might buy us a little time. Maybe some of us will survive if the bus hits the wall at 75mph versus 85mph. Maybe. The other alternative is to load up and revolt... and I don't know about you, but I can't do that. It's a lose-lose-lose situation. Government will grow fastest under Obama, and that is the situation that will lead this country down the drain. Ah fuck it, be a nutcase for Obama, all roads are leading to hell anyway.
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Oct. 16, 2012, 11:49 p.m. CST
Remember when the audience cheered when Crowley sided with Obama? Well she just changed her mind.
by Tarijeno
She went on Anderson Cooper/CNN and said "I didn't understand the topic" re: Obama immediately declaring the Benghazi attack "an act of terrorism". Romney was trying to say that Obama took two weeks to call it a "pre-meditated act of terror". In the meantime he, and his administration, were blaming those deaths on some shitty Youtube video. That was the official cause, in this administration's books, for two weeks. It wasn't until after every intelligence organization on the planet said "President Obama. It was a pre-meditated terrorist attack, and your Youtube theory doesn't hold water." did they change their stance.
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Jeff Winger on SOA! Great episode.
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That was really crazy. I actually agreed with exactly none of that. You're entitled to your opinion of course- but holy crap. Iran having access to nuclear power is dangerous. Because their current regime is crazy and has openly admitted to wanting to destroy another nation. Oil has nothing to do with it.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 12:01 a.m. CST
Republicans are going to vote Romney, dems for Obama. We're going to depend on half-wits who can't make up their minds to vote? Scary.
by mistergreen
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Oct. 17, 2012, 12:03 a.m. CST
On the issues, according to CBS and CNN, Romney beat Obama 65-34 and 54-40 on the economy. Enough said.
by Coughlins Laws
The people who watched this debate sided with Romney on Health Care, Taxes, The Deficit, and Leadership 49-46, 51-44, 59-36, and 49-46....
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Oct. 17, 2012, 12:04 a.m. CST
Iran is the boogie man. Are you seriously afraid of them? They can't even build one bomb and we have thousands. We can literally blow up every inch of Iran into space. Get serious.
by mistergreen
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romney will be walking funny tommorow after an ass pounding like that. MAYBE FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE!!!
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Good too see you Creeps. I assume you're the real one, hard to tell sometimes. Anyway keep it up... And by *it* I mean your penis. FACT!!!
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Oct. 17, 2012, 12:11 a.m. CST
Well, I'll never look at a snowglobe the same way again...
by Uncle Pooky
Brutal, chaotic SOA tonight.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 12:11 a.m. CST
creepythinman, seriously, are you OK? What is wrong with you, exactly? Why do you have so much hate in your heart?
by Coughlins Laws
You really shouldn't go through life with so much bile in your soul...
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Oct. 17, 2012, 12:23 a.m. CST
Who won the debate? CNN/ORC: O 46% R 39%; YouGov poll of undecideds: O 51% R 17%; GoogleSurveys: O 48% R 31%; CBS News O 37% R 30%
by American Mythos
I could dig up more polls, but it's pointless. Obama won. Deal with it crazies. Conservative scion George Will called the debate the best he's ever seen, while also saying Obama won. Twice Obama was able to get an audience that's supposed to remain impartial and silent to applaud him and, more tellingly, applaud AGAINST Romney. ROMBOT 5000 was revealed for the flimflam man he is, in front of an audience that will likely be over 60 million. End of story.
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good episode. soa just keeps bringing it this season. not a bad episode yet
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Oct. 17, 2012, 12:34 a.m. CST
Biden "won" the VP debate, but Romney is surging in the polls just the same
by FeralAngel
Wouldn't take those snap polls too seriously, if I were you folks. And again, good night.
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didn't see clay being the behind the home invasions coming. guess i should have known better
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such a quirky show, but very funny. I was sad that we didn't get a new New Girl tonight.
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fuck yeah! not one but two women bit the dust tonight. SUTTER IS A MAD MOTHER FUCKER!!!
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both Obama and Romneys team wanted the moderator to not add extra questions, etc and she felt the need to gradstand tonight and carry Obamas water.
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you need a serious ass whoopin. i hope to allah im the one who gives it to you. no, this isnt political you are just annoying and probably fat, small-dicked, white trash that you accuse everyone else of being. easy to be a tough guy on the internet tell me when and where and we can meet up to see how tough you really are, bub
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i got money to travel. tell me when and where we'll record it and put it on this site. i don't give a good god damn if you were 7'0" 500 lbs like the big show i'd love to shut a cyber-bully up
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Oct. 17, 2012, 1:07 a.m. CST
talk about SoA don't show world how stupid u are voting for a millionaire
by johnnyg korrupt
Can we talk about Sons of Anarchy instead of this shit. You wonder why americans have such a bad rep around the whole world and are the butt of jokes? How on earth the majority of idiots could vote for Bush and now contemplate voting for a creep who was born rich and has millions now is beyond idiocacy. Funny since Bush ive met hundreds of American and not 1 has admitted voting for Bush and declare him a joke. Why on earth is it even a contest with Romney the creepo.
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Loved first 2 seasons- but haven't really watched too much since then. Is it possible to just jump in and start watching again, or is there too much backstory I would need to catch up on?
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to quote riley "you'se a little bitch" keep hiding, cave troll you can find me on twitter, if ya wanna grow a pair bmacmma
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Oct. 17, 2012, 1:31 a.m. CST
I'm sorry, am not trying to continue here or take sides, but the Amistad thing was clever..
by GBH
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Oct. 17, 2012, 1:35 a.m. CST
I have to say that its a badge of honor being yelled at by creepy thin man
by Paul
Kind of a hollow one like Obamas Nobel Peace Prize, but an honor none the less.
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id say u shuld really just watch all the way through but you could probably get away with skipping season 3. season 4 kind of starts fresh though and this season is in a lot of ways based off the consequences of season 4. also while season 3 was kind of lame, season 4 and 5 are both really good, so if u start with season 4 i think youll get addicted pretty fast and be able to catch up pretty fast.
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I'll start with season 4
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You fucking idiot.
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When Democrats lose a debate, they take their lumps and admit it. When Republicans lose, we see blame, denial, conspiracy theories, and shrillness. That's fascinating.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 6:15 a.m. CST
Fox News and MSNBC both did focus groups of undecided voters and both groups favored Romney. In all the instant polls, Romney won on every issue, blowing away the President on the economy.
by Coughlins Laws
Obama barely won overall in the CBS and CNN instant polls, but if you look at the issues, they give the edge to Romney on the economy by 15, 20 points. People responded to seeing that the President actually prepared this time and was aggressive. That doesn't mean he's any better on the issues or can defend his record any better. All you saw for 90 minutes is a President attacking his challenger, barely defending his indefenisble record.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 6:20 a.m. CST
The way to look at this is Romney won by 3 touchdowns last time and the Prez MAYBE won by a Field Goal this time (very debateable), which still puts Romney way up. Romney has surged in the polls and is ahead in almost every new poll now.
by Coughlins Laws
Obama needed to dominate and and hit it out of the park and he simply didn't do that. He did enough to make the lunatics at MSNBC happy, but he didn't come anywhere near close enough to the domination that Romney had over Obama in the first debate, despite the moderators help...
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Oct. 17, 2012, 6:41 a.m. CST
Outside of the MSNBC lunatics, nobody thought this was a clear Obama victory. Everyone just said Obama did better. Obama is behind in this race. Obama can't defend his record. All he can do is attack, attack, attack...
by Coughlins Laws
Every important issue and every focus group had Romney ahead. Sorry you guys had your hopes up so high. Even with Candy Crowley helping the President, she had to later admit Romney was right...
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Oct. 17, 2012, 6:57 a.m. CST
Obama said the Benghazi attack was because of a stupid video no one saw for two weeks before he finally called it terrorism. He's going to have to answer in the next debate why he misrepresented what happened there.
by Coughlins Laws
It really is stunning that the moderator interrupted to bail him out with something that wasn't true, and then later admitted Romney was right. That's a little real time evidence of mainstream media liberal bias for those of you who still deny it exists. A moderator, jumping in to help out a floundering candidate. She was really objective, wasn't she?
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The world is laughing at you. Sure, you'll say it's just the pinko/socalist Europeans, or make some comment about Islam, and prattle on about how Obama screwed the US over the past four years, when it's obvious to an idiot it will take time to fix the last Republican screwup Presidency. Vote for Romney - and if he gets in, watch him undo any good Obama has done, and try to fuck up the world as he does so. I really do find it amazing that you could vote for someone who contradicts himself so frequently and with such apparent conviction, and who has so much money, 350K earned for lecturing is meaningless to him.
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...you nailed it.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 8:42 a.m. CST
coughlins, Obama still leads in PA, Ohio, Iowa and Wisconsin, which is more than he needs to get the Electoral votes.
by SergeantStedenko
4 More Years.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST
Obama came across as calm, cool and presidential last night as opposed to Miittens, who came across as a petulant spoiled child.
by SergeantStedenko
with a dash of crazy conspiracy theory thrown in when he started to bring up Fast and Furious. I kind of wanted Obama to reply, "Mitt, this is a debate to decide who is the next POTUS, not and AICN Talkback. No one cares what your thoughts on some movie are."
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Oct. 17, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST
No, coughy, that was a win by a touchdown last night for O, with a 2-point conversion.
by SergeantStedenko
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Oct. 17, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST
hipshot, the thing about Republicans is that not only are they sore losers, but they lie to themselves to make themselves feel better.
by SergeantStedenko
I guess that's why they don't mind being lied to all the time by their leaders.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST
Regarding Benghazi, Obama said it was an "act of terror", but at that time he didn't have all the details.
by SergeantStedenko
There is still NO DOUBT that that documentary played a part in firing up Muslims and causing them to rally. Regardless of the reason, attacking a foreign embassy is an act or terrorism. Obama was actually being a responsible leader when he chose his words carefully to speak about the incident before all the facts were in. Romney on the other hand jumped on the incident before he even new anything about what happened to use it as a cheap political opportunity. Obama is right when he says that that is not leadership.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST
It's going to be ironic when Mitt Romney only gets 47% of the vote.
by JackDeth
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Oct. 17, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST
coughlins laws - HOLY FUCKING SHIT ARE YOU COMPLETELY WRONG ABOUT THE INSTANT POLLS! EVERY LAST ONE CLEARLY SAID THAT OBAMA WON HANDS DOWN!
by R Howell
You are a despicable piece of partisan crap that would suck off Romney while he was stabbing your family to death while burning down your house!
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And no poll shows Romney won the debate, nor anyone with a brain would say that. It might be a close race, but I really doubt we'll have a new president come November.
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Yeah Ireland. History's bitch. Fucking retards wanted independence, turned around and began giving up sovereignty to the EU in exchange for subsidies and German/French money. Europe can go fuck itself. It spent the first half of the 20th century committing suicide. Funny how Germany pretty much owns Europe now after all that. There's a reason why some of us over here treat Europe like poison.
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Obama can go back to Kenya now.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST
Coughlins has reached a new depth of sadness and lunacy. You'll notice he never accepted by $100 election bet. Because he knows Romney will lose, and he's only here to spout useless bullshit that he himself doesn't belief, much like Mitt Romney. Sad sad s
by American Mythos
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Oct. 17, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST
I DON'T CARE IF ROMNEY STRIPPED NAKED AND DANCED GANGNAM STYLE
by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings
Still voting for anybody but Hussein Obama.
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*You don't infuriate me. You'll know when you infuriate me when you find yourself banned and every message you've ever posted on Ain't It Cool disappeared. (I can do both with a single click of my mouse.)*--- i dont infuriate u? this exact post shows it. of i dont, why the threats of banning me? and u wonder why i continue to expose u as a hypocrite....or were u just typing out loud LOL? *I get paid by the talkback. Honestly, I've no idea what you'll talking about half the time, but I encourage you to keep it up, sir.*--- u know exactly what im talking about all the time. its u blatantly biased, lying and hypocritical posts. for example... biased- u post articles that are always overwhelmingly negative to republicans/conservatives while totally ignoring democrats/progressives. sarah palin anyone? lying- insisting that u are a *registered republican* when u articles and comments plainly show the opposite. ur a hack. hypocrisy- going out of ur way to show the dullard maddow TYING BOR in some stupid demographic, on the rare occurance of it happening. yet, totally ignoring the fact she gets DESTROYED every night in total viewers by a (usually) 3:1 basis. why not include total viewers when u trumpet her TYING BOR? u dont because ur a partisan, hypocritical hack and it would suit ur narrative. its all pretty simple and infuriating to u and the idiot pooky. i just point it out :)
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*I'm railing *against YOU* and all the illogical nonsense that you spew.*--- facts. i spew facts. which, weirdly, u never (or cant) refute lol. *If you get to expose hypocrisy, I get to expose stupidity.*--- yes! with every pathetic response u post! THAT is a true statement! kuddos!
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Oct. 17, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST
Oh, Jay. It's cute you think if you blatantly ignore all the times I've proved you wrong, they don't exist.
by Uncle Pooky
Keep trying though, buddy. Dealing with you is like watching a cat when you point a flashlight at a wall. The cat (you) really thinks it's going to get that light (forming a coherent thought). We all know it's never going to happen, but it's funny as hell to watch.
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What is going on with the sudden use of teenage-text-talk? Why are you typing "u" instead of "you"? Tsk. I have no quarrel with you, but it doesn´t help your argument. Not to mention the fact that you clearly dislike herc, yet you continue to help his income by posting talkbacks again and again. If you truly loathed him, why throw monies in his coffers? You are a mystery, Mr. 2517.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST
Jay types like a teenage girl because he argues like a teenage girl.
by Uncle Pooky
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Oct. 17, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST
Loved when the Moderator lied to help Obama with his lie, I read the transcript, only a biased cunt would think otherwise.
by Saen
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Oct. 17, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST
WE SHOULD VOTE THAT EXTREME CHEAPSKATE WOMAN INTO OFFICE
by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings
We won't have to pay taxes anymore.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST
wait a second... did some idiot actually say there is no "right to vote" because 12-year-olds and felons can't vote?
by TheBaxter
guess what else 12-year-olds and felons can't do: OWN GUNS. i guess by that logic, that means there's no constitutional right to bear arms either. make sure to mention that at next week's NRA meeting, i'm sure they'll find your logic enlightening.
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unless you think act of terrorism != terrorist attack. You people need to give up that issue. As much as you wanted that to be Obama's 9/11, it just made Romney look like an even bigger moron than he was before.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST
american mythos, Gallup has Romney up 51-45. Every poll has gone in Romney's direction the last 2 weeks. Nobody on planet Earth, outside MSNBC, thought Obama "knocked out" Romney last night.
by Coughlins Laws
The only point Obama came out ahead on was when Candy Crowley bailed him out and after the debate, SHE ADMITTED ROMNEY WAS RIGHT!!! The focus groups I saw last night favored Romney, the two instant polls had over 60% saying Romney won or thought it was a tie. Nobody outside of hardcore Democrats thought Obama kicked Romney's ass. I'm sorry, it just didn't happen. Independents and Republicans thought it was either a tie or maybe Obama came out SLIGHTLY ahead...
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Oct. 17, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST
Your buddy Obama just set himself up in this debate to be really nailed in the Foreign Policy Debate next week. He lied and said that the WH called the Libya debacle a terrorist attack from the start.
by Coughlins Laws
For 2 full weeks he and his Administration said over and over again that it was the fault of a video. Susan Rice went on all the Sunday shows and Hilary Clinton made a huge deal that it was the fault of this video. It took 2 weeks before they admitted it was a pre-meditated terrorist attack. Candy Crowley herself admitted this and got Jay Carney to admit it. What he said in this debate was outrageous...
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See my above post. And every moronic thought you have doesn't require its own subject.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST
BTW, for anyone that still thinks that Obama won the debate, if you look at CNN's instant poll, Romney won big on almost every issue...
by Coughlins Laws
Romney won big on who's best on economy, who's best on the deficit, who's best on health care. It wasn't even close. People were just responding to the fact that Obama didn't look like a zombie last night.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST
He never called it an act of terror. He blamed it on the video for 5 minutes before he closed with some general nonsense about acts of terror. Everyone in his administration said it was because of the video for 2 weeks. You can't lie about this. Everyone
by Coughlins Laws
You can try to lie with the President after the fact. But anyone who has paid attention for the last month knows that the ambassador's murder was initially blamed on that stupid video. Do you honestly think the American People will just forget all of a sudden that we were told that? It just happened last month.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST
mugato5150, the next debate is completely about foreign policy. This will be focused on like a laser beam. The administration put out information that was 100% false. Either it was lying, or massively incompetent. Either way, the issue isn't going away, a
by Coughlins Laws
For almost 2 full weeks, everyone involved with this White House, from the State Department, to the Chief of Staff, to the Press Secretary, said it was because of that stupid video. If they believed the next day that it was a terrorist attack, then why, oh why, did they send Susan Rice on the Sunday shows that weekend blaming the video? Were they lying about it being a terrorist attack? Or did they not know? Or did they jump the gun? There constantly shifting story doesn't make sense. He's boxed himself into a corner now. If he's now trying to claim they new that it was a terrorist attack the next day, then that means they sent out Susan Rice to lie to the American People. According to you, that's what they did. Do you find that acceptable?
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Oct. 17, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST
Here are the internals of the CNN instant poll that had Romney winning all the issues, but somehow had Obama winning the debate:
by Coughlins Laws
Better on the economy: Romney 57%- Obama 40% Better on taxes: Romney 51%- Obama 44% Better on health care: Romney 49%- Obama 46% Better on the deficit: Romney 59%- Obama 36% Stronger leader: Romney 49%- Obama 46% Who answered questions better: Romney 45%- Obama 43% Obama did win one, though. Who did more attacking of the other: Obama 49%- Romney 35%
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if you say so, sweetie!
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I don't watch PBS; if I didn't learn it in school, it's not worth learning. Cut it. Actually, cut all education funding since I never learned anything of practical use in school. Kids don't need to go to school. They can learn all the math they'll ever need by picking up coins off the streets and dividing their daily findings among other family members. They can learn to read from coupons and free samples of products, which they can then barter with other children. Health Care? Why? A nice cup of hot water (and a little lemon, if you are feeling extravagant) can do wonders for whatever ails you. The military? Cut it. All you need is a prominently displayed sign that reads "USA - Beware of Dog" and all enemies, foreign and domestic, will steer clear. I like to use discarded cardboard boxes to make my signs, but planks of wood or the back of a movie poster will work too.
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how can you think that romney won this debate, when he clearly got his ass kicked? obama made him his prison bitch and nailed him in the ass. suck it up and take it like men. OK GUYS?
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Oct. 17, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST
not just *some* idiot, thebaxter. He's a very high ranking member of the Idiot Society.
by Uncle Pooky
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candy crowley even corrected romney and said the president called it a terrorist attack
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Oct. 17, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST
coughlins laws now you're back tracking to people who aren't Obama who were on talk shows
by Mugato5150
it's over. Romney was called out as the lying buffoon that he is. Get another talking point.
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They don't have another talking point. Flip over to Faux News to keep up with Benghazi-gate 2012 right up to election day.
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Romney directly quoted that he will let Israel dictate our foreign policy in the mideast. That is a direct quote (very large campaign contributions). He will invade Iran and Iran is not like Iraq. Ryan said in the debate that they won't necessarily follow Obama's timetable to get out of Afghanistan next year. So all you republicans with your magnetic flags on your SUVs just keep in mind that a Romney presidency = a shitton more dead soldiers. Why the fuck am I talking politics on a movie web site?
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He was aggressive...but only with the same bullshit that he promised us four years ago. If Obama was a CEO or president of a company or organization, he would have been fired a couple of years ago.
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He is trying to sell us the same shitty junk that he tried to sell us four years ago. The only difference? He changed the bumper sticker from "hope" to "forward." Obama should change his bumper sticker slogan to "FOREWARNED." Obama fooled us once. Shame on him. He won't fool America twice.
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Terrorism is the use of violence to create powerful emotions that influence policy. Attributing violence to the video does not in any way exclude the possibility that angry people would attempt terrorist tactics to force the change of laws, or punish the west. Video would have been the motivation, terrorism the tactics. It makes perfect sense to downplay the possible Al Queda connection until you know the facts--very similar to what police departments do to downplay serial killers and other things until they KNOW. Because panic is never a pretty thing. The statement about terror in the rose garden was clearly a reference to the violent events. EVERYTHING said in the garden that day was a reference to those events. No one discussed global warming or Save The Whales. Trying to pretend that he wasn't making such a careful, measured reference will convince only partisans. For the rest of America, we have a delightful sound bite of Mitt getting caught like a deer in the headlights, having bought the Right-wing spin machine. And the wonderful moment when Obama smiled and told him to put his head in the noose. My, my. Love my president.
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It just means that he presented the same pathetic bullshit more aggressively. Romney spoke the truth. The polls are reflecting it. Gallup "morning after" poll: Romney 51% Obama 45% Obama is a shitty president...and Americans are waking up to the fact.
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I am ashamed of my president.
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Since when was he your President?
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Oct. 17, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST
In 2008, Obama cited economic figures as a reason we needed a change in the White House.
by Chris Moody
In 2012, those figures are worse than they were back in 2008. Thus... We need a change in the White House.
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He is also running out of stupid people who are willing to defend his failure to help this nation.
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unemployment, wall street, the dow, by virtually every metric things are better than they were when Bush left. Of course the debt is higher, it always gets higher. The fact that Bush's 2 bullshit wars were kept off the books until Obama took office didn't help any. All signs point to everything improving and people like you want to return to the people who put us in this mess in the first place.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST
Conservatives ... if we hold your Benghazi standard to Bush ...
by Judge Briggs
It's okay if we say that Bush REALLY fucked up on 9/11, right? I mean, his adminstration was given plenty of warning that al Qaeda was determined to strike us. I guess we'll be invading Sudan in response to terrorists in Libya, right? See what I did there? And do you even remember Bush?
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Oct. 17, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST
*In 2012, those figures are worse than they were back in 2008.*
by Uncle Pooky
Those figures are also somehow better than they were in 2008. What to do, what to do!?!
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Oct. 17, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST
Don't try to persuade Chrissmxxx or these other guys...
by Judge Briggs
They live in right-wing world reality ... where truth/facts/science/reality cannot penetrate their constructed bubbles. Or as Bill Maher said perfectly to describe many of the conservatives on here ... “Trying to get today’s Republican to accept basic facts is like trying to get your dog to take a pill. You have to give them the truth wrapped in a piece of baloney, hold their snouts shut, and stroke their throats. And then, just when you think they’ve swallowed it, they spit it out.”
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Other than the policies that took us from losing half a million jobs every month to consistently gaining every month, cutting the deficit by more than 200 Billion dollars, expanding health care availability to almost all Americans, and channeling money into helping our own country instead of waging wars halfway around the world, we've got nothin. NOTHIN!
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The unemployment rate on Election Day 2008 was 6.1%. The real unemployment rate was about the same...because few had run out of unemployment benefits. The unemployment rate on Inauguration Day 2009 was 7.75%. Again, the real unemployment rate was about the same. Unemployment grew until it capped...and is still at around 8%. The CBO estimates that it will be around 7.8 - 8.5% for the next year if nothing changes in terms of policy. However, real unemployment is currently around 14-15% -- because many Americans have run out of unemployment benefits...and many have simply given up in trying to find work altogether. Obama has NO PLAN to help the economy. He just wants to keep on doing what he has been doing. He complained that Bush was unpatriotic for spending $5 Trillion over eight years. Guess what? Obama spent more than $5 Trillion over just THREE years. And, this doesn't account for the cost of Obamacare lor amnesty for certain "Dream Act" illegal immigrants that Obama is promising either. Try again, Obama worshiper?
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Oct. 17, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST
@ judge briggs: If you rely on Bill Maher for your politics...
by Chris Moody
...then you are a delusion Far Left Wing prick with a boner for Obama and his reckless, failed policies.
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This nation is a mess. Obama hasn't helped. This is why he will lose the election in three weeks.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST
No one who posts on the internet during the day knows anything about politics
by Uncle Pooky
but damned if it's not fun watching you all go back and forth.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST
Obama's debate performance in a nutshell: AGGRESSIVE PROPAGANDA
by Chris Moody
As long as you don't call him out for his FAILED RECORD and BROKEN PROMISES over the last four years, he will smile like the inexperienced and unaccomplished phony "community organizer" (aka "paid protester") that he is.
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Bush didn't blame 9/11 on a movie trailer by an Egyptian Coptic for TWO WEEKS.
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I am ... unemployment is now 7.8% ... 5 million private sector jobs have been created (more than Bush's entire 8 years), public enemy #1 Osama bin Laden is dead .... Detroit is KICKING ASS, and hell, I have a great, high paying job since graduating in 2010. Oh and housing is now the highest it's ever been in 4 years. Things are looking up and HAVE been better since that ass clown Bush (remember him?) left office which is why I am voting for Obama in Virginia ... and doing my part to get out the vote here. ... oh and look around, the country isn't getting whiter - and you know who that favors? Hint: it's not the GOP. 20 years from now, Texas will be a blue state.
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Thankfully people like yourself give him the supply he needs to make me slap my knee very hard out of laughter! Please keep giving him ammunition!
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You keep repeating Obama's boasted (and phony) claims about jobs that have been "created" or "saved." The fact remains that there are FEWER Americans employed now than in 2008. The fact remains that more people on in poverty than ever before. And, the fact remains that more jobs have been LOST over the last four years than at any time since the Great Depression. Obama is a piss ass president and anyone with a brain knows it. You can defend this fucking arrogant asshole until you are blue in the face (since you are ideologically blue in the head)...but it doesn't change the fact that Obama broke nearly every promise he made in 2008. The deficit DOUBLED. The national debt is 2.5 times LARGER. Unemployment went UP. Poverty is UP. Food stamp rolls are UP. Obama is running out of excuses. He couldn't get the job done...so he needs to go. 20 years from now, Obama's name will be MUD.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST
Bill Maher still thinks that American military men acted "cowardly"
by Chris Moody
...and that terrorists on 9/11 were "brave." He isn't worth the shit that spews excessively out of Obama's lying lips.
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A little tip, if you're going to talk about U6 unemployment, which is what some call "real unemployment", then you might want to keep track of those numbers for longer than just a few years. Those numbers are ALWAYS greater than U3 unemployment, the numbers we get quoted on the news. Another tip: U6 unemployment has gone down FASTER than U3. As for calling him out for his failed record, your problem is, he saved GM, killed Bin Laden, ended the Iraq War, and passed a healthcare bill even Bill Clinton was unable to get through. Any one of these would be a significant achievement for a President. This President just had the misfortune of trying to kick the ass of the worst economic recession since the great depression, while the assholes of the Republican Party were tying one hand behind his back. We have improved dramatically from where Bush's policies left us, and avoided the worst of the consequences those policies would have handed us. This is a President who handed his supporters Lilly Ledbetter, two supreme court justices, DADT, and many other political victories. You're not talking about a George Bush here, you're talking about a man who knows how to get things done. The biggest problem is that the Republican talking points machine, the conservative media has been beating down on this man, and the Conservatives have been making political war on him since he got into office. From record breaking filibusters to the epic obstructionist, Tea Party debacle of the Debt Ceiling standoff, Republicans have done everything they can to undo 2008, and to force their policies on an unwilling public. And yet you folks, with all your scorn, all your hatred have not kept this President from assuming the dominant position in this election, and the debate last night shows you why: despite all the lies you tell yourselves, there was no teleprompter out there, there was no net for the President when and where he stumbled. But that President nonetheless dominated that debate with his intelligence, his knowledge, and his presence. President Obama is everything you bullshitted yourself into believing George Bush was as a leader, and everything you're in the process of brainwashing yourself into believing Romney is. The big difference is that this not something simply ascribed to him, but something you can see if you actually look at the man.
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He has to go. Now, excuse me while I go back to work. Someone has to pay his taxes in order to pay for Judge Briggs' "bi-polar disability," Obamacare, Obamaphone and food stamps.
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...you're full of shit on the u3 employment numbers, and on the actual dynamics of the economy.
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Before I go, let me reiterate that I wasn't a fan of George Bush for the SAME REASONS that I am not a fan of Barack Obama. Things are just as bad now as they were during the worst, last days of the Bush Administration. Things didn't get any better...despite Judge Briggs's silly blind propaganda. Most Americans see this and know it to be true. We are living in REALITY. Obama came to Washington after whining about Bush for two years. He spent more...yet just didn't get anything accomplished (outside of his "evolving" position on homosexual "marriage"). Obama/Biden is an embarrassment to this nation.
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...and the morons who defend his failed presidency.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST
Guys, the majority of the people who watched the debate thought Romney won on the issuses. Sorry, it's not debateable.
by Coughlins Laws
The vast majority thought he won on the economy. It was a slaughter...
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Oct. 17, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST
Gallup has Romney winning 51%-45%. Sorry guys, it's almost over. Hope and change is dead and buried...
by Coughlins Laws
It's time for some grown-ups to take charge...
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Oct. 17, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST
They're going to have a lot more time to talk about Libya in the next debate on Foreign Policy. Obama will have to explain all the weeks of deception on Libya. He flat out lied.
by Coughlins Laws
It wasn't a difference of opinion on policy. He said things that didn't happen. He lied about sending his officials out to blame a video for 2 weeks. He can't overcome this 3 weeks from the election. It's over...
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Oct. 17, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST
Somebody is lying. Either Obama, Biden, Susan Rice, Hillary Clinton, somebody. They changed their stories after 2 weeks when, according to the President last night, they knew the next day it was a terror attack. You can't have it both ways...
by Coughlins Laws
It sickens me this man is our President...
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Ok, season one just aired in the US,I get it..our seaon one ended last ear on Global, I thought they were airing season two and I missed it..:-) thanks Herc
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Here is the breakdown ... Obama Romney Margin . East 52 48 O+4 . Midwest 52 48 O+4 . South 39 61 R+22 . West 53 47 O+6 Yeah ... so, when the south is heavily skewed like that - you produce these sort of results. Luckily, the dumbfuck south isn't electing our POTUS ... Anyone who knows anything about the polling world, realizes this election isn't won by the traditional states - it's all swing states. And dem numbers for Romney in Ohio ain't looking good.
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Thanks for paying taxes ... I mean, they pay my bills - because I actually have a job that keeps people like yourself safe from terrorist attacks. I think I remember you saying you're from San Fran or something ... yeah, go look up what the USCG Office of Counterterrorism and Defense Ops does ... But it's cool - I truly believe that national security events shouldn't be politicized ... which is why I fond the Bush Admin so abhorrent in their response to 9-11.
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Obama told the truth his number checked. The leases went down because they did pull unused leases to reauction them. Romney partial true (very generous), meaning mostly false. His 14% production down number is for one year, Obama's first, but that was due to the BP oil spill. Obama's policy didn't have time to even take effect. The last three years up, more than any year under W.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 6:01 p.m. CST
You are all missing one big point from last night......
by cymraeg_cowboy
Women voters. Romney lost a lot of, if not every female undecided voter out there. I laughed out loud at the 'binder of women' comment used to try and prove his credential in hiring women. He doesn't want to give funding for planned contraception. Obama scored BIG when he said that this was not a just a womens isseue, but an ecconomic issue. Romney says that to creater greater equality he wanted to allow women to work more flexible hours so they can get home earlier to the family (what - to make sure they can get food ready to their husbands!?!) Ha ha ha! Then there was the rudeness to the moderator... and the time a woman asked him a question and he ignored her to go back to make a point on a question he wish he had answered better earlier. The implication that everything would be so much better and kids wouldn't go out and shoot someone if only their parents were forced into a (loveless) marriage - bang goes the single mum vote! Can Romney win this question without the female vote? Lets be honest he pretty much has the black and Latino vote sewn up.
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Why do u lie?
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I heard that she was racist.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST
bird- thats just how i type. im not writing a fucking thesis. ull live
by jay2517
As I have said, if u have to resort to being a grammar/spelling nazi to prove a *point*, u lose.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST
baxter- no one has a *right* to vote, nimrod. just the right to qualify to vote.
by jay2517
Its real simple, prob the reason u don't understand it.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 6:25 p.m. CST
Will there be lots of African-American people in season 2 of Girls?
by steves
Everyone is saying that Lena Dunham is racist.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST
Obama is still wiping Mitt romney's brains off his dick.
by NapoleonDynamite
Get the transcript.
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Yo dogs They were binders. They were full of women. You do the math. Whats the big deal? I don't get it. My wife doesn' get it. Elder Obadiah doesn't get it and none of his wives get it --- and some of them can d. Callmemittster
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Oct. 17, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST
Yeah, Obama's going to win by a landslide, no need in any of you going to vote for him in November.
by spire_walk
But if you do vote, I hope to see you out there taking part in the democratic process on November 7th. :)
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Oct. 17, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST
Why aren't republicans pissed off at Romney? He turned into a moderate in these debates.
by mistergreen
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Oct. 17, 2012, 7:33 p.m. CST
Also you know Romney is in trouble when my elderly republican parents are going to vote for Obama.
by mistergreen
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Oct. 17, 2012, 8:35 p.m. CST
mistergreen, your parents aren't voting for Romney? Well, OK, I guess the election is over...
by Coughlins Laws
What a compelling argument you just made...
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Oct. 17, 2012, 8:44 p.m. CST
The only people that thought Obama kicked ass in that debate were going to voted for him anyway. Every instant poll I've seen show 60%-70% of the people thousght it was a Romney win or a tie.
by Coughlins Laws
And if you look at the breakdown of the issues in the 2 or 3 instant polls, the vast majority of the people that watched the debate thought Romney won on the economy and getting the deficit under control. Face it, this wasn't the huge comeback Obama needed. He's 3 weeks away and he's 6 points down. This is shaping up to be a Romney landslide...
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Oct. 17, 2012, 8:49 p.m. CST
Again, for the people who think Obama was telling the truth on calling the Benghazi attack an "act of terror" the next day, why was he saying the following week on The View and on Univision that it was because of the video?
by Coughlins Laws
Why did he send Hillary out saying it was the video? Why did Jay Carney say over and over again it was because of the video? Why was Susan Rice sent out on the Sunday Shows saying it was the video? Why did Candy Crowley admit on CNN a half hour after the debate that Romney was right? When was Obama lying? At the Rose Garden the next day? Or the next 2 weeks every time he blamed it on the video?
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Oct. 17, 2012, 8:51 p.m. CST
Gallup Poll, Romney 51%- Obama 46%. No candidate in history has EVER had over 50% of the vote in mid-October and gone on to lose the election. Sorry, guys, it's all but over for Obama...
by Coughlins Laws
I know you guys had a lot emotionally invested in this guy, but he's proved himself to be a failure. he has not succeeded in any of his promises...
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Oct. 17, 2012, 8:56 p.m. CST
Hell, Obama even told the guy at the debate last night about Libya why he didn't call it a terrorist attack at first!!!
by Coughlins Laws
Obama talked to Kerry Ladka, the guy who asked him about security in Benghazi, and "gave him more information about why he delayed calling it a terrorist attack". He contradicted himself to this guy minutes after the debate, pretty much admitting Romney was right...
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Oct. 17, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST
Obama killed his chances when he put Gun Control on the debate table. It's a polarizing issue that tends to piss off independents, swing voters, and moderate-right leaners who probably would not get out to vote on 11/6 otherwise.
by spire_walk
2008 debates shied away from God, Guns, and Gays. They're polarizing issues where a LOT of single issue voters can turn on you at the drop of a hat. Democratic Congress in '94 made junior congressmembers walk the plank to get the issue rammed through. Then, they got ousted by the boatload. Democrats ALWAYS lose when they start talking gun bans. This will be the first if they don't.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 8:58 p.m. CST
And you guys talking about Romney's War on Women? LOL! Was Romney the one that let the "buck stop with Hillary?" Was Romney the one that begged Candy Crowley to fact check for him?
by Coughlins Laws
Obama hid behind skirts to protect him...
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It turns out that particular poll had a lopsided sample of southern states, which are like 99% racist rednecks. The reality is that Obama has consistently held a wide lead in electoral votes and that isn't going away. He's also currently railing Romney up the ass 2-1 in early voting. In last night's debate, he rubbed his nutsack all over Romney's weakling, quisling face, and all the Republicans can do is whine about the refs like a bunch of fucking Packer fans. I know some people have a very difficult time accepting the fact that a black man is their moral and intellectual superior, but there it is. Barack Obama saved you from a depression, killed your enemies, cut your taxes, ended a war, gave you more rights. How about some gratitude. One day Obama will be on money, and you will lie to your grandchildren that you supported him all along.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST
Coughlins is SOOO confident Romney is going to win... that he won't take me up on my $100 bet. Hilarious!
by American Mythos
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Oct. 17, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST
"Every instant poll I've seen show 60%-70% of the people thousght it was a Romney win or a tie." -- Coughlins. Wow, buddy, you are a lying little weasel. God you bring no end to entertainment.
by American Mythos
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Oct. 17, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST
On election night, when Obama is projected the winner at 10 pm ET with either 289 or 302 electoral votes, I'm going to come back here and watch Coughlins self-destruct.
by American Mythos
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Oct. 17, 2012, 9:27 p.m. CST
american mythos, Romney 30%, Tie 33%, add together, you get 63% DIDN'T think Obama won, in CNN poll. What is so hard to understand about that?
by Coughlins Laws
You really do lack a basic level of intelligence. No wonder Obama can count on your vote...
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Oct. 17, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST
Herc, on the morning of November 7th, after Coughlins' android head explodes in a fiery mess of fried circuits and Republican talking points, can you dedicate a talkback to him?
by American Mythos
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Oct. 17, 2012, 9:29 p.m. CST
american mythos, do you honestly believe I want an anonymous stranger on the internet to know who I am or where to find me? Why, oh why, would I put myself at risk for you?
by Coughlins Laws
Sorry, I'm not giving anyone here personal information about myself for any reason...
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Oct. 17, 2012, 9:36 p.m. CST
The point I was making by adding up those who thought it was a tie and those who thought Romney won was to show that it wasn't a big number in any poll that thought Obama won. Romney won by 52 points! Obama barely won by less than 10, if he won at all...
by Coughlins Laws
A small plurality thought Obama won, wayyyy less than a majority, and definitely not enough people thought Obama won to make it matter much. Romney absolutely crushed Obama in the first debate, Biden lost the second debate, and Obama is lucky if it was a tie this time around. The only people that thought that Obama won this last debate are liberals that were going to vote for him anyway or alot of the inside the beltway elitist media. But nobody, except some of the lunatics on MSNBC, are even trying to make the case that it was a blowout like Romney had two weeks ago. Obama needed a knockout and he just didn't get it. He can't defend his record, he can only attack, attack, attack. Not good enough for a sitting President...
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Oct. 17, 2012, 9:36 p.m. CST
Here's another way at looking at my crazy friend. Obama 37, plus 33 tie, you get 70 percent who thought Obama won or it was a tie.
by American Mythos
Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound? It's getting sad watching your wheels spin.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST
napoleondynomite, the Gallup Poll is a seven day rolling average. If you take just the last couple days, he's up even more. The state polls lag behind national polls because they aren't taken as often.
by Coughlins Laws
No matter how you slice it, Obama is losing. It's funny how no one here, including and escpecially Herc, had a problem with the Gallup Poll until Romney opened up a big lead...
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Oct. 17, 2012, 9:41 p.m. CST
The night of the Biden-Ryan debate, you were here touting the CNN poll that said Ryan won by 48-44. Now you're renoucning a CNN poll that said Obama won 46-39. You're just sad man. Sad.
by American Mythos
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Oct. 17, 2012, 9:44 p.m. CST
Yeah, you can look at it. The point is, neither guy won the last debate. The vast majority didn't believe there was a clear winner. I think you're finally getting smart!!!
by Coughlins Laws
I was making the point that most people, unlike the first debate, didn't think there was an undisputed winner. Can you wrap your brain around that?
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Oct. 17, 2012, 9:46 p.m. CST
american mythos, explain how I renounced a poll. I pointed out there wasn't a clear winner. And even if there was, it was just barely. It wasn't a blow out like the first debate. You really are having this much trouble keeping up with what I say?
by Coughlins Laws
Maybe you should take a break and read my posts twice. You can't seem to comprehend simple logic..
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Oct. 17, 2012, 9:50 p.m. CST
Look, if Obama goes back up in the Gallup Poll in the coming weeks, you're going to be citing it every single day. Polls by themselves don't mean anything. You have to be able to interpret them. This race isn't necessarrily over, but Obama was exposed as
by Coughlins Laws
Obama is coming from behind. Let's see how he does. Just please don't cry when he loses. You shouldn't have so much emotion invested in to one person...
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Oct. 17, 2012, 9:58 p.m. CST
mistergreen, alot of seniors know that the AARP leans liberal. Alot of seniors know that Obama already cut $716 Billion from Medicare. Obama doesn't own this issue. Sorry. Most seniors will vote for Romney.
by Coughlins Laws
You're living in denial...
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it curbs future growth in medicare spending and the money being saved is gonna come from insurance companies profits not the coverage itself. how many times do we have to explain it to you?
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Oct. 17, 2012, 10:15 p.m. CST
I know how to interpret polls, and the gallup one is bullocks. East O+4, West O+6, Midwest O+6, South R+22.
by American Mythos
The reason it tilts so heavily is because the sampling numbers from southern states, which will amount to a hill of beans for Romney come election night. In polling, that's what's called an outlier. Look at Gallups numbers from the past. At one point they had McCain up 10 on Obama. And in 2010 Gallup's midterm congressional numbers were completely off. Looks at Rasmussen, a GOP-leaning pollster. They have the race statistically tied among Likely voters. 49-48 for Romney. But in swing states they have 50-47 Obama. All Obama will have to do is win every state Kerry won, plus Ohio. Marist has Obama +6 in Ohio, and PPP has him +5 there. Romney will likely pluck North Carolina and Florida from the Obama 2008 column. Virginia is too close to call. But Obama will certainly carry Nevada and New Mexico, states Kerry lost but he won in 2008, and he'll most likely carry Ohio, which is looking more and more like an Obama firewall. In addition to Romney plucking Florida and North Carolina from Obama, he'll also have to pick up a few reliably blue states, and we're talking deep blue states. The numbers just aren't in Romney's favor at this point, and all this polling data is from BEFORE Tuesday's debate, which was watched by 65 million people, an admittedly small majority of whom agreed Obama won. But if you look at the numbers of independents who watched, Obama won them by huge margins. In Colorado alone, another swing state that in 2008 favored Obama and stands to favor him again this year, indies thought Obama won by 58-36. You take Kerry's 2004 numbers. 251 electoral votes (we're estimating now, since some states have lost or gained a few EVs since 2008, but not by much). You give Obama Ohio. That's 18 EVs for 269 total. You give him New Mexico, which is definite Obama. That's 5 EVs for a total 274. Obama wins. But you also give him Nevada. That's a total of 280. You give him Colorado, which is a likely Obama state. That's 289. But it doesn't matter. Obama won two states ago. Face it. That math just isn't on Romney's side.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 10:26 p.m. CST
American_mythos: Ohio was Obama's until he made gun control a key topic
by spire_walk
They've lost Ohio over this before. Kerry and even Obama 2008 were never this stupid. Obama made a HUGE mistake with this in Ohio.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 10:35 p.m. CST
spire_walk, gun control will mean exactly zilch on election day. 19 percent of Ohio voters have already voted, 74-25% for Obama. Ohio's UE numbers are some of the lowest in the nation. 7.2%.
by American Mythos
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Who is talking about gun control? Well aside from the NRA keeping their members spooked.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST
Go here: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2012/ecalculator#_
by American Mythos
Give Obama every state he won in 2012. Take away Virginia, North Carolina, Indiana and Florida, as four of those states are likely Romney states. Obama still gets 290 electoral votes. Take away Colorado. Still 281. Give him back Colorado and take away Ohio. Obama still has 272. The point is he has more paths to victory than Romney. And Ohio going to Romney is unlikely. You also have to factor in today's news cycle. What was talked about on the evening news tonight? The FBI arrested a terrorist. Housing construction is booming. And Obama had a debate victory. Factor in next months UE numbers. Gallup had September at 7.9. It ended up being 7.8. Today's UE numbers on gallup are 7.3. So they'll likely fall anywhere from 7.7 to 7.5 when November 2nd's jobs report is released.
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Oct. 17, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST
*as at least 3 of those states are likely Romney states (Virginia is still too close, but Kaine the Democrat is leading George Allen in the senate race, and Kaine and Obama are old friends).
by American Mythos
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Oct. 17, 2012, 11:27 p.m. CST
Jay2517 has a distinct advantage: he is not bound by truth, facts, or reality
by Uncle Pooky
And he is certainly not blessed with an abundance of intelligence. dangerous, dangerous combination.
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And you might remember that Ronald Reagan trailed Jimmy Carter in the polls just before the election. And the result: a Reagan landslide. So y'all oughta chill a bit, methinks.
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Oct. 18, 2012, 12:15 a.m. CST
American Mythos: Early Ohio Election Results. In what what liberal fantasy?? Source please. Chairman_kaga: Obama vowed new gun control legislation in the last debate.
by spire_walk
American Mythos: Don't just throw out some bullshit, give me a reputable source. This would be TREMENDOUS news; it would be all over the media. The fact that it's not makes me question it as DailyKOS / HuffPo fantasy. But hey, I can give you the benefit of the doubt -- show me. 19% of all voters in Ohio have voted already? Source or get the fuck out. Chairman Kaga: Had you watched the debates you would have heard Obama blatantly call for a renewal of the old Clinton Assault Weapons ban. Fucking suicide.
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Oct. 18, 2012, 12:21 a.m. CST
UE numbers have been cooked forever. You can lie about numbers all you want. The voter knows when he's unemployed and paying $4+ for gas, though.
by spire_walk
Of course the federal government is going to release sunny predictions on the eve of the election. Fucking duh! 7.8 percent unemployment means 7.8 are drawing unemployment. It is not an indicator of true unemployment numbers. We gained more illegal immigrants in the past year than we've added jobs, quite possibly.
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I can't decide if you a just a troll, a fox news corrispondent or just that short-sighted and blind. I wasn't talking about a 'war on women' - Women are 51% of the Population - not a group you want to piss off - and there was no hiding behind Clinton's Skirt - she tried to fall on her sword for the sake of the party, and then Obama quite clearly (and probably his most Presidential momment) said the Buck stops with him. I guess you are a bit like Romney - think you understand women because 'you knew one once' and have a binder of them somewhere. BTW - the leader of the woman's group Romney was talking about has been all over the TV today to explain that Romney was dreadful with his record on hiring women and that he never asked for dossiers and recomendations on who to hire - that they went to him with these binders of recomendations to implore him to take a look at how qualified some of these women were that he wasn't hiring - yet another BS story refuted - and now the media have picked up on hiw truthful Obama was about the oil and piplines whilst Romney was lying through his teeth. A house of Cards my friend, a house of cards. I have to congratulate you on your manipulation of the statistics in many of your above posts - Seriously - I think there is a job waiting for you at Fox News.
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Oct. 18, 2012, 12:28 a.m. CST
Leader of a women's group bitching about a Republican candidate? OMFG the election's over. This is so new.
by spire_walk
The house of cards are the mainstream media.
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He is the Glenn Beck of these talkbacks...... Coughlins Law is Sean Hannity.
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Oct. 18, 2012, 12:37 a.m. CST
Spire_walk, unlike conservatives on this site, I don't make shit up. Here's your source (and I even got it wrong, the number is 76-24, one point more for Obama):
by American Mythos
The key finding on this poll may be how the early voters are breaking out. 19% of people say they've already cast their ballots and they report having voted for Obama by a 76-24 margin. Romney has a 51-45 advantage with those who haven't voted yet, but the numbers make it clear that he already has a lot of ground to make up in the final three weeks before the election.
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Oct. 18, 2012, 12:38 a.m. CST
by the away, the above is an excerpt from the polling link, but it didn't let me put quotes
by American Mythos
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Oct. 18, 2012, 12:40 a.m. CST
BTW, Clinton passed the Assault Weapons Ban in 1994, went on to win Ohio by six percentage points in 1996.
by American Mythos
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Oct. 18, 2012, 12:52 a.m. CST
oops, source: www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/10/obama-leads-by-5-in-ohio.html
by American Mythos
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Oct. 18, 2012, 12:55 a.m. CST
Please, the NRA has been villifying Obama on guns since his election to the senate in 2004, and look how well that worked out for them in the '08 election.
by American Mythos
Obama is from Chicago. Ever hear of the infamous handgun ban there? Obama has been the NRA's number one enemy for years and no one gives a shit.
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You said something I thought was interesting and I'm curious to hear what you meant by it. I'll quote you directly here: "Leader of a women's group bitching about a Republican candidate? OMFG the election's over. This is so new." Obviously, the OMFGing and such is sarcasm, but you kind of talk like it's normal for a woman's group to have problems with the Republicans. From what I gather on this thread, you're pro-Republican. (If not, please correct me.) Why would women's groups usually have problems with Republicans? And, if it's normal for women's groups to have issues with Republicans, does that not indicate that Republican policy does something wrong? Or is it the women who are wrong?
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As far as the Harry Truman thing, that's the whole reason Gallup Polling started. They took statistical samples of the a cross-section of the population because the Dewey Wins thing came from a very unscientific poll of people sending in their choice for President through a magazine poll through the mail. So, your point is moot
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Oct. 18, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST
entagcy, the only people that thought Obama kicked Romney's ass in that last debate were going to vote for him anyway. The debate was a tie at best, with every poll showing Romney won on the issues...
by Coughlins Laws
Some of you people really have to start waking up to reality. You are going to be in shock after the election. You should start getting used to the fact that Obama is just another failed politician. There was never anything special about him...
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Oct. 18, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST
american mythos, who gives a shit about early voting. What does that have to do with anything? Absentee ballots break about 60-40 for the Republican everytime. What does that have to do with anything?
by Coughlins Laws
Ever consider the fact that the older somebody is, the more likely the will vote on election day like they have their entire lives? Early voting is a new phenomenom. It's only been a very short time. The older you are, the more likely you will vote for Romney, and the less likely you've ever early voted before...
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Oct. 18, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST
cymraeg, really? That's what you think is going to get people voting for Obama? Can't defend Obama's record so you have to attack Romney over something incredibly stupid.
by Coughlins Laws
This really is the dumbest attack I've ever seen in my life. You are going to try and attack Romney for talking about binders of resumes for women? Really? That's what you think is going to win the election for your guy? That is what you're pinning your hopes on? Seriously?
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Oct. 18, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST
dollar bird, the reason so-called "women's groups" have problems with Republicans because their biggest issue is abortion rights. That's why they are anti-Republican. It has nothing to do with equal work, equal pay. You must be young and have never paid a
by Coughlins Laws
For you not to know that is shocking...
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Oct. 18, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST
jsfithaca, that is $716 Billion that was going to be spent on Medicare but now it isn't going to be spent on Medicare. That is a cut. Isn't that how your guy looks at tax cuts? You count money that hasn't been collected yet as cutting the budget...
by Coughlins Laws
Your side is really getting desperate. It's pathetic.
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Oct. 18, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST
You know what I find hilarious is that the same people that two years ago said that Sarah Palin shouldn't be offended when Letterman said she looked like a "slutty flight attendent" and her daughter got knocked up by Derek Jeter at Yankees Stadium
by Coughlins Laws
are the same ones pretending to be outraged about "binders of women" when you know clear well Romney was talking about resumes. That's offensive, but calling a Vice Presidential candidate slutty and calling her teenage daughter a slut is OK. You see, you kind of no longer have credibility when you don't get mad at real sexism...
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the only people that lose are the insurance companies. and it also saves medicare from going bankrupt. also i don't really think people are offended by the binder of women comment its just really funny. romney could have had a great answer to that question. he should of said i also support lily ledbetter, but the biggest way im gonna help women is by fixing the economy. and he should of thrown in that stat about more women losing jobs then men in the recession, i forgot the exact statistic. instead he goes on some tirade about attempting to hire more women while governor, which turns out to be complete bullshit, and that he tried to let them off work early because they needed to go do traditional mom duties.
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Pot calling kettle black much? You ask me to defend Obama's record rather than 'attack' Romney? What the hell have you been spouting in here for weeks? Your anti-Obama vitriol is one of only two ways you can debate - the other is by quoting meaningless polls and figures spouted by the MSM. Not once have I actually seen you champion a Romney initiative - oh yes - that is because there are none. Explain: how you can put faith in a man whose answer to every question and problem put in front of him is 'I can fix that because I know how to get it done.' Mr Romney how exactly are you going to create the millions more jobs you promise? - Answer 'Creating millions of jobs is my number one priority. I have a plan. I know how to get it done.' (despite the fact that when you were governor your state came in at 48th in the jobs growth chart) Mr Romney how exactly are you going to balance the budget and reduce the defecit? Answer: 'A strong ecconomy is essential for a strong america. I have a five point plan - number 1: create millions more jobs. I know what it takes to get that done' I'm glad you know how to get that done Mr Romney - now how about you share that with the rest of us that is scared shitless that you have no clue what you are doing. Oh and as for your point about laughing at Letterman and the Palin jokes - Letterman is a COMEDIAN - Romney is a Presidential candidate. If letterman were to run for president I wouldn't vote for him either. He is paid to make jokes about public figures. Romney is just showing contempt for the opposite sex - major difference. But you want me to defend Obama's record, not attack Romney I'll try not to go for the obvious ending the war in Iraq, killing Bin Laden etc.... -Obama has overhauled the food safety system -Advanced women's rights in the work place -Ended Don't Ask, Don't Tell (DADT) in the military -Stopped defending DOMA in court. -Passed the Hate Crimes bill. -Appointed two pro-choice women to the Supreme Court. -Expanded access to medical care and provided subsidies for people who can't afford it. -Expanded the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) -Fixed the preexisting conditions travesty [and rescissions] in health insurance. -Invested in clean energy. -Overhauled the credit card industry, making it much more consumer-friendly. -While Dodd-Frank bill was weak in many respects, it was still an extremely worthwhile start at re-regulating the financial sector. -He created a Elizabeth Warren's dream agency: The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. -He's done a lot for veterans -He got help for people whose health was injured during the clean-up after the 9/11 attacks. -Done more for energy self sufficiency than any President in living memory More than anything he took an ecconomy and unemployment rate that was in freefall at the end of the last Republican government and stopped the rot, started the recovery - you think the country is in a bad state now - just imagine what the situation would be if the decline had continued on the same path and at the same rate as it was falling befor he took office. The problem is it is pointless going to all this effort to convince you as you are blinkered to the fact that Obama and the Democrats could ever possibly do something that you agree with. I'm not so sure why you are so hate-filled. What it is about the man personally or the party that has you so far enraged that you cannot see any positives whatsoever. Stop hiding behind the bullshit Stop hiding behind percentage figures Explain how EXACTLY your man is going to make things better - give us details that may actually convince us, or at least lead us believe that there is some actual plans behind the promises.
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Oct. 18, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST
I agree with most of your sentiment creepythinman-is-eternal...
by cymraeg_cowboy
....but my left wing leaning leads me to believe that everyone has the right to an education so I feel obliged to try. I don't believe that every Republican voter or campaigner is evil or un-educated. There are millions out there that are well meaning, good, honest republicans who have strong ideals and are prepared to enter into a debate about what is best for America. Unfortunately few of these actually have the chance to stand for any kind of prominent role within the party as they are seen as moderates and therefore weak by hardcore base. It is such a shame really. There have been Republicans that have done some great things for America - where have they all gone? We haven't seen one for at least two and a half decades. I would love to see a political system where people on both sides of the aisle are prepared to listen to each others ideas, and then make a democratic (thats democratic with a small D) decision on whether that idea can work and should be implimented - it doesn't matter whether the idea has come from the left or right - will it work? will it improve the quality of life? I guess i want to live in a world as written by Aaron Sorkin! lol I cer agree that religious belief MUST be kept out of political debate - hell I don't care what religion someone is; if you want to believe in creationism, good luck to you - but don't tell me that my kids have to study it in school alongside evolution. If you strongly believe that abortion or homosexuality is abhorrent and against Gods law then fine - but don't legalise intollerance. With every right comes a responsibility You have a right to believe that contraception is immoral. You have a responsibility to allow others to hold their own beliefs You have a right to believe that every sperm is sacred. You have a responsibility to allow other to have the freedom of their own choices. Only when the far right understand that the freedoms that they hold so dearly includes the responsibility to allow others to freely have their own beliefs - and issues where your solution is to restrict those beliefs and rights should not be in the arena of politics, only then will real progress be made.
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Oct. 18, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST
Nate Silver and fivethirtyeight.com forecast the 2008 election to a T. They're predicting Obama with 65.7% chance of re-election. And here's what they say about Gallup:
by American Mythos
quote - The Gallup national tracking poll now shows a very strong lead for Mitt Romney. As of Wednesday, he was ahead by six points among likely voters. Mr. Romney’s advantage grew further, to seven points, when Gallup updated its numbers on Thursday afternoon. The Gallup poll is accounted for in the forecast model, along with all other state and national surveys. However, its results are deeply inconsistent with the results that other polling firms are showing in the presidential race, and the Gallup poll has a history of performing very poorly when that is the case. - end quote Gallup was off badly in 2010, and off badly in 2008. So continue to take comfort in them Coughlins. On the other hand, Ipsos/Reuters, who called the Obama '08 victory margin exactly, is forecasting Obama by 3 nationally.
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Oct. 18, 2012, 6:16 p.m. CST
716 billion and there WON'T be any cut benifits? You really believe that?
by Coughlins Laws
There will be rationing of benifits. There has to be. Its The only way they can do it.
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Oct. 18, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST
And the University of Colorado Professors who correctly predict the election every 4 years project Romney to win. What's your point?
by Coughlins Laws
Sorry, Nate Silver only counts as one vote, just like you and I!
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Oct. 18, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST
Nice to see you back to ignoring a real debate Coughlin
by cymraeg_cowboy
I repeat ....stop hiding behind percentages and figuress......tell us why you support Romney - convince us that he can run the country.
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The majority of your posts just talk about who is going to win this election...... Not once have I said that Obama is going to win - most of us here just want to discuss the issues. It's not about who is going to win - more about who deserves to win. I can't find a single post of yours that explains why Romney SHOULD win - and because you hate Obama is not a reason.
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so i looked on politifact, and while it appears i was wrong about absolutely no benefits being cut, the majority of the cuts are directed at insurance companies. However because of this, the fact its taking place over ten years, and the fact its slowing its growth, the effects on peoples benefits are minimal, and it prevents medicare from going bankrupt
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Oct. 18, 2012, 7:37 p.m. CST
Coughlins, that University of Colorado prediction also says Romney will win Wisconsin, Iowa, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota. States with big Obama leads. You're living a fantasy.
by American Mythos
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Oct. 18, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST
And it shows flailing desperation when you're having to pin your hopes on a study by the University of Colorado. You're getting sadder by the day, Coughlins.
by American Mythos
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Oct. 18, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST
hey pooky, u dumbfuck, what have u proven me *wrong* on before? funny how u never state any examples. and remember, ur opinion does not count.
by jay2517
....rent free. so sad.
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Oct. 18, 2012, 7:48 p.m. CST
I should also point out that that UC study only predicts a popular vote win for Romney, but is admittedly uncertain of the Electoral College.
by American Mythos
Romney can capture HUGE swaths of voters in the south, where anti-Obama sentiment is high, but can easily lose the EC, as most electoral analyses is forecasting at this point. George W. Bush, remember, lost the popular vote by half a million votes. Plus, that UC study only backs up the falty weighting used by Gallup, where Romney wins the south by +22, but is losing to Obama in every other region. New Marist polls out today have Obama up significantly in Iowa and Wisconsin, above 50 in each poll, states that the UC model is projecting Romney will have to win. And Obama carries Latinos by 70-30, and New Mexico's voter demographics are 40 percent Latino. You really think Obama will win New Mexico?
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Oct. 18, 2012, 7:48 p.m. CST
cowboi- im just me. no one else. i just provide facts on here, thats why i (and laws) get attacked. progresssives HATE truth and facts. oh yea, ur sheer idiocy is summed up by this fucking asinine statement....
by jay2517
....*I guess i want to live in a world as written by Aaron Sorkin! lol*--- that explains totality of ur mental state. w-o-w!
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Oct. 18, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST
oops, meant to say you really think Romney will win New Mexico?
by American Mythos
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Oct. 18, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST
american mythos, Obama doesn't have big leads in any of those states. Romney is tied or up in all of them except Minn. He just took the lead in PA. Sorry that you haven't seen the latest polls
by Coughlins Laws
This must be tough for you. I understand. You had a lot of hope place on this guy. It must be really disappointing for you...
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Oct. 18, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST
american mythos, do you really believe that a candidate winning with 53% of the vote won't win the electoral college?
by Coughlins Laws
Anyway, i'm not saying he will get that, but that's what the Univ of Colorado study is predicting. If he gets that much of the vote, there's no way he will not win the electoral college. Don't be silly. That would mean he pretty much won all the swing states...
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Oct. 18, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/
by jsfithaca
obamas up by a lot in iowa, wisconsin, and minnesota. i dont know about pennsylvania
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Oct. 18, 2012, 9 p.m. CST
Coughlins, you're quoting a poll commissioned by the Pennsylvania GOP. Now your desperation is on full display. Haha.
by American Mythos
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Oct. 18, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST
And here's a compilation of the latest swing state polls:
by American Mythos
Quinnipiac (non partisan) has Obama 50-46 in Pennsylvania as of two days ago, where Obama has 52 favorability compared to 46 for Romney in the same poll and where Democrats have a large registration advantage. Marist (non-partisan) has Obama with 51-43 in Iowa, a state you think Romney will win. Marist has Obama 51-45 in Wisconsin, where your UC study says Romney will win. The last poll from Maris had Obama 51-46 in Ohio, but that was on Oct. 13. It's probably tightened by now, but not by much. SurveyUSA more recently gave it to Obama 45-42. That same poll says that early voters have voted for Obama 57-38, a 19 point margin. We'll wait for more polling data to quibble over this state further. Minnesota, where you think Romney will win, has Obama 50-40 as of Oct. 15, according to SurveyUSA. If I wanted to follow your lead and be desperate, I'd quote the outrageous Behavior Research Center poll that gave Obama a 44-42 lead in dark red Arizona, but I want to maintain some kind of sanity when dealing with your desperate lunacy.
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Oct. 18, 2012, 10:40 p.m. CST
Oh, and I did more reading on this University of Colorado study, guess what I found? It hasn't actually predicted any past presidential election. lol
by American Mythos
From the UC study's website: Quote - The state-by-state economic data used in their model have been available since 1980. When these data were applied retroactively to each election year, the model correctly classifies all presidential election winners, including the two years when independent candidates ran strongly: 1980 and 1992. It also correctly estimates the outcome in 2000, when Al Gore won the popular vote but George W. Bush won the election through the Electoral College. - End quote. So it "retroactively" predicted every election since 1980? lol Wow, coughlins, what a misfire.
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Oct. 18, 2012, 10:45 p.m. CST
And what did Michael Barry, the author of that study, say when challenged by Nate Silver?
by American Mythos
Quote - Mr. Silver and others confuse a prediction with an estimate. Our model was developed after the 2008 election. The only election that we forecast is the 2012 election. - End quote. Again coughlins, a huge misfire. I'd say you're beginning to grasp at straws, but you've been doing it for a long time already. lol
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Oct. 18, 2012, 10:49 p.m. CST
And just to put into perspective who Nate Silver is:
by American Mythos
In 2008 he correctly predicted 49 of the 50 states Obama would win, missing only Indiana, which Obama won by 1 percent. He also correctly predicted every winner of the 35 senate races in 2008. I'll take his record over a couple guys who've never actually had any prediction proven correct.
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Oct. 18, 2012, 10:52 p.m. CST
*should have said he correctly predicted the winner of 49 or 50 states, missing only Indiana, which Obama won by 1 percent.
by American Mythos
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It won't even be close. Not in the popular vote(probably a 5-7pt difference), not in the Electoral college(100-120). Unless Obama finds a way to change the trajectory of this, he's cooked. Most polls are also calibrated based on the turnout in 2008, which basically means that Obama has to be up 4-5 in those polls to even have a shot of winning in a normal turnout year, much less a year that heavily favors a republican turnout. Boom goes his Presidency.
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Oct. 19, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST
Ah, America - It's a nice place to visit, but you wouldn't want to live there.
by MajorFrontbum
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Oct. 19, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST
@majorfrontbum - for starters, 12 million undocumented immigrants disagree with you.
by TheKiller7
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Oct. 19, 2012, 7:45 p.m. CST
the beauty of all these postings by GOP assholes is that it will have been an utter waste of their time knowing the GOP is gonna get annhililated in November! LOL!
by uberfreak
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