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‘Only One Way To Keep You Alive!!’ Herc Says The Season Three Premiere Brings THE WALKING DEAD Back To Life!!

The Walking Dead 3.1 FAQ

I am – Hercules!!

What’s it called?
“Seed.”

Who's Responsible?
“Walking Dead” vet Ernest Dickerson (“The Wire”) directs from a teleplay credited to Glen Mazzara (“Crash: The Series”), who replaced Frank Darabont as showrunner midway through last season.

What says AMC?
“With the world growing increasingly more dangerous and Lori’s pregnancy advancing, Rick discovers a potentially safe haven. But first he must secure the premises, pushing his group to its limit.”

Hershel has a beard in that clip! Suggesting months (or maybe years if Lori’s baby miscarried or got eaten and Lori is pregnant again) have gone by since we last saw him! Are we to take it that after all that time, nobody found a gas-station map? A map with that prison we saw at the end of last season?
Apparently not. And it’s months, not years; Lori is still carrying the maybe-seed of Shane.

Can we assume the prison is the “potentially safe haven”?
Yes. As other critics have revealed, Rick and Daryl discover it pretty quickly after the scene in the clip above.

What do you mean when you say the series is back on the right track?
The long dialogue scenes that insisted on telling us what we already knew are pretty much gone in the next two epsisodes. After wandering around Hershel’s farm and chatting for the better part of last season, the characters are finally moving forward and getting things done. There’s at least one new writer aboard this season and it looks like somebody finally dropped a thick bale of cash into the production.

Do Andrea and/or Michonne catch up with Rick’s group this week?
That would be telling. I can tell you that those women appear in tonight’s episode but not in next week’s.

The big news?
Look out, “Glee,” “Smash” and “Nashville.” Tonight's episode comes equipped with its own musical number! (But don’t expect Led Zeppelin or Lady Gaga. “Mad Men” may get the Beatles and the Stones but “Walking Dead,” set 50 years later, gets an Irish folk tune.)

What else is AMC not telling us?
We get nifty, all-new opening credits, now with Darabont’s executive producer credit stripped away.

Do we meet The Governor tonight?
We do not; he does not turn up until this season’s third episode.

What about racist amputee Merle?  I saw him in the Comic Con trailer!
Merle sits out the first two episodes as well.

How many episodes do we get before the next hiatus?
Eight. This year’s last episode airs Dec. 2, then the series resumes sometime in February.

What’s good?
The copious and compelling zombie action generally and the truly spectacular CGI mayhem in particular. Daryl hungrily plucking. Carl’s early under-sink find and his initial choice of bunkmates. The ongoing hotness of the female cast. The riot gear. Melissa McBride’s hilarious delivery of Carol’s apology. Michonne’s sidekicks. Lori’s super-creepy fear. The crazy, harrowing final four minutes.

What’s not so good?
I’m not sure why, when clearing the prison grounds of zombies, our heroes use up bullets and risk lives instead of simply impaling zombie skulls through the prison’s chain-link fences. Also, Carl is less annoying this season but he’s still pretty annoying; if producers decided to jump ahead a few years between seasons and recast, I would offer no objections.

How does it end, spoiler-boy?
“Holy shit!”


9 p.m. Sunday. AMC.

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  • Oct. 14, 2012, 3 a.m. CST

    Last! No wait... ah damit.

    by dahveed1972

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 3:06 a.m. CST

    So...when does Rick's hand get chopped off?

    by Chris

    woops...spoiler warning.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 3:24 a.m. CST

    "Herschel has a beard," so...

    by barneyshouldbeputdown

    It takes a mature adult maybe two weeks to grow a beard like that.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 3:27 a.m. CST

    Real Christopher Nolan

    by matoichi

    You are a fucking cunt

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Said it before

    by JonJonB9

    but the fact that there seems to be no logical explanation for why it has taken them so long to find the prison within spitting distance shows that we're still not entirely away from the shitty writing that oft plagued us in the past.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 3:59 a.m. CST

    I've been hearing good reports

    by rakesh patel

    I hope everything is back on track and that we can now avoid any more walking dead fucking ridiculous plotline memes They had ever increasing ratings last season, but critically it went into the shitter pretty rapidly. Throwing cash i hope has helped with greater production flexibility, action and gore. Regardless, if it's crap we'll let you know. and If its good, we'll pat you the back. Looking forward to seeing it.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Invisotext failure

    by Truxton Spangler

    After 'shit,' what's going to be the next cuss word to gain widespread acceptance on TV? Heck, they even say it on USA network nowadays. And it's been noted elsewhere that a few months have transpired since last season; no mystery there, regardless of how long it takes Scott Wilson or his character to grow a beard.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST

    is it true...

    by Richard

    That Rick chops off Hershel's leg after he gets bit? And that the "oh shit" is from the prisoners who sawit go down, while the group is unaware they're there?

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST

    on a non-spoiler note

    by Richard

    I don't like how we're aparrently losing Andrea and Michonne for a whole episode. Not a good idea, IMO. Also don't like how it's these twowho go to Woodbury instead of Rick, Glenn and Michonne. The only good thing i can see coming from it is Andrea and Ricks confrontation when she returns to the group and realizes Shane is dead and Rick killed him.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 8:56 a.m. CST

    season 2 was good!

    by the new transported man

    I don't know what was so bad about it. I just watched it all on Netflix - maybe that's the thing, watching it in a marathon - but I liked it. It wasn't perfect but I liked the character development, pace, & action just fine. I didn't feel any need to hurry up & move along to the prison, the Governor, or anything else.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Irish folk tune

    by Josh

    Is it the one they are using in the TV promos? The Parting Glass? If Ned Devine comes back as a zombie I'll be thrilled.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Budget cuts.

    by Metroid_Fetish

    All of the zombie makeup was beginning to take its toll on AMC exec's profits, so they've replaced it with lip rings and rub-on tattoos.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Folk tune

    by Jon

    Proof of how cheap amc really is. Darabont got jacked.

  • :)

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST

    watching the redbull stratos event live

    by Rakesh Patel

    http://www.redbullstratos.com/live/ - capsule has been released.. looks to be a go.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST

    A bad child actor can ruin a series.

    by mypalfish

    GOT has really been lucky in that regard. They nailed all those casting decisions.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST

    The GOT kids are all amazing.

    by Randy

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Wow, haven't seen a Herc FAQ review in awhile

    by Bass Ackwards

    Or maybe I haven't been paying attention, but feels like ages since I've read one of these, nice to see it again (the Buffy FAQs are what initially got me hooked on AICN back in the day). Sounds like ill have to tune in and give this show another chance, maybe il even go back and catch up on the 2nd season episodes I missed after quitting the show.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Farms are fucking awesome.

    by Metroid_Fetish

    Prisons suck.

  • I'm playing Resident Evil 6 right now, and I am finding that most of the characters tend to man-handle the zombies. Yes, you can use weapons on them, but you can beat them to a pulp, instead. One character, Helena Harper fucking slams those zombies to the ground and then smashes their heads into the floor. I am tired of the Walking Dead characters being, too afraid to fight those things straight u. They need to use their hands more to get the job done. There has been, too much in, "I'm afraid, it will bit me, so I better not touch it." They need to get in there and fight like they mean it! Back to Resident Evil 6, I'm playing the Jake campaign, which has been so cool. Get this game, it won't disapoint!

  • Kirkman has said he regrets chopping off Ricks hand and that we would not be seeing that happen on the show.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    I have a feeling Rick keeps his hand.

    by OutsideChance

    It would be too hard to pull off the permanent disfigurement realistically in a weekly TV series on basic cable. They'd have to either green screen the hand and then make up his arm, which wouldn't be cheap, or they'd be forced to resort to the old "tie his hand behind him" stunt. Either way it would either look like crap or strain the shows already diminished budget. Yeah, I know, we're going to see Merle without a hand. But Merle's not the main character, meaning it won't be as time or money consuming to do the effect. If it happens to Rick it's an ongoing, weekly cost.

  • Life just isn't fair.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Death Valley? You're still upset over a show cancelled in 1975?

    by OutsideChance

    ;-)

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST

    The 2nd season was very hit and miss

    by Monroville

    The thing is... I had no problem at all with the 1st half. Everyone whines about "looking for Sophia", but let's face it: if you were in that situation, that is exactly how it would go down. The problem is that once they show Sophia come out as a zombie, and they have the 10 minute + firing squad finish them off, the following episode or two should have been them packing up and the zombies attacking the farm (after hearing the 10 minute + firing squad). They still could have had the bar confrontation, and there would have been a nicer progression to doubting Rick and the final episode. It would have also negated the need for more talking and a lot of the more stupid things that happened, most if not all of which happened in the 2nd half of the 2nd season. Regardless, because of just how bad that 2nd half was the show has lost me. I may still watch just to see where it goes, but this is at the moment in the LOST 3rd season territory. Kirkman: if you're reading? It's not that every single show has to have copious zombie attacks... all you have to do is give us some compelling characters that act fairly rationally and not go out of there way to contradict themselves or put themselves into stupid dangerous situations just to heighten the tension.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST

    this show left an everlasting taint on early supporters

    by altoandando

    much like the tree people of last week's Fringe, they will never recover and must be content to simply record history.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Thank God Darabont was Fired.

    by tailhook

    The second season was head and shoulders above the first in pretty much all respects. That said, TWD I have a feeling is a show that is much better watched as a whole in a short-term viewing, like off Netflix right now.. then on a weekly basis where everything gets hashed over each week with a couple month break in the middle. You just don't have a reason or time to get ultra-obsessed over the minutae of this or that not being exactly as you liked and instead just let the show do its thing. Also, AMC *really* needs to start streaming TWD and their other shows on the 5 ep basis most shows use. What I really detest is that if I go to watch it off basic cable, the show looks like utter trash given the sheer amount of black bars and/or stretching of the image that need to be done. Streaming, while it may not be 1080 like the networks, it'll always be framed properly and make for a decent viewing. The image problems, above all else, is why I don't tend to catch cable network programs as they air(even having cable).

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST

    tailhook

    by Hercules

    Frank Darabont was showrunner for most of the second season.

  • If he had stuck around, the show would have gotten worse, and the worse parts of season 2 would have continued. I feel like now that the smoke has cleared, everyone who works on the show now can try to get it all focused again.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST

    where can I get the alternate second season

    by altoandando

    that was "head and shoulders" above the other? the one I saw had a bunch of people crying, whining, and giving each other stink eye on a small farm for the whole season. I'd love to see the other version...

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 5:47 p.m. CST

    re re: tailhook

    by mcgillj

    good news on directv AMC now is broadcasting in HD. So the low quality broadcasts should be no more.. speaking of need to update my dvr to record HD not SD.

  • And the show really didn't get its footing until they got to the homestead. Shane shooting Otis, along with Sophia's death are really some of the most fucked things i've ever seen in a TV show. Just classic. That said, the whole Shane/Rick showdown felt extremely contrived.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST

    about the hand cutting off budget thing

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    Im glad its not gonna stop GoT from cutting off hands PS: thapphireth

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 8:13 p.m. CST

    AMC Is Fucking Us More Than Dish Did!!

    by Deandome

    I pre-registered for the live-stream they were offering us poor misguided Dish viewers. Then, per their instructions, I check in 1/2 hour before the broadcast, and spent 30 minutes fruitlessly trying to log on, but it's overloaded Why the fuck did they make us pre-register? Wouldn't they only allow as many of us to do so as they could handle? Nice move....they managed to piss off Dish viewers with their mismanaging of this 'gift' than Dish did when they took AMC away from us!! Screw this show...screw AMC. I'll catch it on Netflix....in the meantime, I hope they lose the lawsuit & I hope their ratings blow.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST

    I never hated the second season

    by CountryBoy

    After the episode in Season 1 (the reign of Darabont, mind you) where the survivors decided to have a nighttime hootenanny 'round the campfire, without posting a single guard, allowing a horde of walkers to blunder into camp and eat half of them, it was clear that logic wasn't going to be the show's strong suit. I just enjoyed it for what it was, a flawed-but-interesting drama with zombies, and never wished for more.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST

    season 2 was good!" -- "The second season was head and shoulders above the first

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Are The Transported Man and Tailhook talking about Breaking Bad, Mad Men, or some other show? The disturbing thing is they're not even plants. I bet they still watch Heroes season 2 and argue with everyone how good it was.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Fuck me, that was awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Bricklyne

    Alright, Walking dead truly is back. Sorry Frank, but the new writers and showrunner done good.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Also, MOOORE Michone please.....

    by Bricklyne

    That little badass shake she does of her Katana after she lops off a Walker's head just screams pimp-a-licious every single time. And her 2 walking accessories are not too bad either.

  • Her character has become uber-annoying ever since she got boned by Shane last season. Maybe he just passed on over to her his dickishness.

  • The writing wasn't great, but it avoided most of the melodrama of the season 2 premiere and went straight with action. Some creative moments, like shielded zombies or the prisoners showing up at the end.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 9:18 p.m. CST

    What a shame...

    by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers

    It really is too bad that the Producers listened to all of you hypocritical douchebags who whined about Season 2... Season 3 is missing heart. Be proud of yourselves, you bunch of fuckfaces, for demanding such a high quality show with story and constant character development to turn into a lifeless Resident Evil B.S Fuck all of you.

  • Fucking retards and your double standards. Just as bad at the people who bitch and moan about originality and creativity in Hollywood, yet ignoring Argo and showing up in big numbers for the second sequel to the rebooted Batman franchise... Funny how a fucking sequel (Taken 2) makes more money then Argo... and you wonder why the film industry invests so much in established material?

  • I bets its Maggie's sister or is she suppose to be Carl's love interest now that they killed off Sophie since she was suppose to be close to Carl in the comic.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST

    by stu02339

    I thought it was a great episode, so much better than being on the farm!!

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 9:40 p.m. CST

    hardboiled coolguy

    by the new transported man

    Heroes sucked a fat dick. Mad Men & Breaking Bad are great, & season 2 of Walking Dead was good. Deal with it dawg.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 9:43 p.m. CST

    EXCELLENT SEASON PREMIERE!!!

    by IamHERE

    Prometheus on the other hand sucked balls. Rented it last night and was sad that there wasnt even one challenging thought or idea throughout the whole movie. So many plot holes and no cohesion to ALIEN. First off, Alien was on LV 246, not LV 233, so you are gonna tell me that a similiar ship crashed in a similar way and somehow the space jockey had a chest burster in him from an alien that originated from LV 233? The timeline is completely screwed. We have a biologist and a geologist on an ALIEN PLANET, inside an ARTIFICIAL structure, and they dont geek out. The biologist would rather go back to the ship instead of examining and taking samples from the dead engineers body? LAME So we have these engineers who are responsible for the creation of life on our planet. Ok, and from the cave paintings, etchings, etc they have revisited the planet and made peaceful contact with the different civilizations for them to leave such artwork. So why all the hositility and why load a ship up with biological weapons to destroy the life they created? No logical explanation for the severe hatred towards the crew when they revive the engineer. Hell flash a message on the 3d holo-system that experiment earth was a failure due to the evolution of our species and our warlike behavior... something To make the lead character unable to have a kid just as a vehicle for her to give birth to an alien was lame. Sure the effects were crystal clear and pretty, but it doesnt matter what the wrapping paper is, its still a turd inside.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST

    ALSO

    by IamHERE

    The two scientists come into contact with those alien snake things, and the biologist acts like the thing is a puppy and practically hugs it??? God Prometheus sucked.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Great premiere. Definitely a step in the right direction.

    by Wolfman Nards

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Oh. And my girlfriend just created a username for AICN.

    by Wolfman Nards

    FML. It's been nice posting here...

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Kill zombies...kill them all the time

    by Zoe

    ...the whole time, for 40 minutes. Finally. Please tell me this is what the Walking Dead will be like from now on. No more crying on the God forsaken farm. That shit is fer garbage.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST

    I just realized WHY we have TDog there...

    by gk1

    Tyreese is a freaking BAD ASS. Former football player, loving father, and he beats Ricks ass for crossing him. Tyreese is an Alpha male. Tyreese looses his shit when his daughter goes to commit a suicide pact with her lame boyfriend, but he backs out at the last minute. Tyreese has a fit and kills the boy...they both come back as zombies and he puts them both down. Never mind the fact that he also takes out a basketball gym filled with walkers WITH A HAMMER, BY HIMSELF. And can't forget he gets it on with the white wimmins... TDog is NONE of that, he's a caricature and stereotype in name and in presence. call me a racebaiter, whatever fuck you cause what I am saying is true, the white folks in the studios would NOT go for a strong black male figure (who isn't a comedian) overshadowing Rick, not in front of millions of "american" viewers.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 10:27 p.m. CST

    @wolfman nards

    by Zoe

    Sweet Dreams, dick.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 11 p.m. CST

    no gk1 Da T Dawg is now a hopolite warrior

    by Xiphos_2

    he bez killins da zombies and sheee-it with a motherfucking shield yo.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Did I miss something? What is wrong with Andrea?? Did she get the aids?

    by Fries Against

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Great premiere - should be amazing season

    by FrodoFraggins

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 11:58 p.m. CST

    what a shock; you all hate the kid; surprise

    by Nintendarth

    I honestly wonder how anybody who likes genre starts a family. What? Oh, that's right. Thanks for reminding me.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 11:59 p.m. CST

    The Farm happened because they ran out of money.

    by Nintendarth

    It's as simple as that. As someone who's seen a lifetime of this kind of garbage, I've seen innumerable shows lapse after expensive pilots or first few episodes or even first season into _Hey, let's stick around this one location and go nowhere else because we can't afford anything more, and let's cut down on new characters._ it's called money. Look into it.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Hatred of the Kid

    by MattDomville

    ...probably comes from all the times he endangered the group (sometimes with fatal consequences) during the last season, usually as a result of disobeying orders given by his parents. The female cast, incidentally, offers a great deal more than "hotness".

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 12:30 a.m. CST

    The Walking Dead: White House Edition

    by tailhook

    finale on November 6th! The times they are a-changin. Get ready for President Romney.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 12:35 a.m. CST

    nintendarth

    by Hercules

    We love all the kids on "Game of Thrones."

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Shut the F up, Clarence, and go blog somewhere else.

    by Fries Against

  • At least Bones had Nurse Chapel waiting in case he got boned. These guys have no fall back.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 2:37 a.m. CST

    zillabeast

    by Hercules

    "Lost" sent its only doctor on an away mission, and Jack Shepard was a people doctor, not a veterinarian.

  • Last I checked guns have recoil and dispense shells when fired, also handguns have a slide that goes back and forth every shot. Other then that pretty solid episode.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 2:59 a.m. CST

    "Motivations to fight to survive"?

    by WickedRooster

    Also the motivations for a small group of people to fight to survive needs more explaining.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 3 a.m. CST

    Post fail

    by WickedRooster

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 3:01 a.m. CST

    Fuck it

    by WickedRooster

    I had a couple paragraphs typed out and every time I try to post it, it's blank. I'll argue about a fictional TV show later I guess

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 4:06 a.m. CST

    "The crazy, harrowing final four minutes.

    by Cash907

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 4:08 a.m. CST

    The crazy, harrowing final four minutes.

    by Cash907

    Uh... you mean "The ridiculous, predictable, complete BULLSHIT final four minutes?" Yeah, thanks, but those "four minutes" ruined the awesome first five minutes, which proved this show would be so much better if everyone just shut the fuck up and let Carl eat his dog food.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 5:45 a.m. CST

    @mjs

    by IamHERE

    No i remember them just fine. Ripley when brought out of cryo-sleep and is explaining herself to the companys board why she destroyed such an expensive piece of machinery, i.e. self destruction of the ship, she said there was a derelict ship full of eggs. Then it was brought to here attention that colonists have been there and are terra-forming the planet. SO MJS.... the planet in Alien and ALIENS was LV 246, not LV 233. SO MJS... If the alien didnt come about until the mixture of human and engineer DNA mixed with the tentacle monster, then how did the NOSTROMO find a similar ship, crashed and positioned the same way as in ALIEN purposely by the director to created a visual connection to ALIEN... Then how come the crew found the space jockey in the pilot seat, chest bursting outwards which contradicts anything Promotheus showed?

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Should have been Dale

    by Polyphenus

    and not Hershel who had his leg lopped off. One of my biggest gripes about the differences between the show and the comic is that Dale's death came way too early and meant squat in the grand scheme of things. In the comic, his death was long, slow, and he endured several injuries along the way. So I'm sure by next week Hershel will be up and hobbling around just fine on a stump and a crutch, right...?

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Why did the old dude walk over the zombie?

    by Geoff

    Surely he would of known that they lay dormant doing nothing at times.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 6:52 a.m. CST

    @polyphenus

    by CutterZane

    Well, in the comics, two characters get their legs cut off after being bitten - of which Dale was the second. The first character (Allen) was never in the TV show so they made Hershel a 'surrogate' for the event. Whether or not he ultimately suffers the same fate as Allen remains to be seen. I'm curious as to why there are five prisoners instead of four (as in the comic). Maybe one of them is the long-missing Tyreese? Surely, one of them HAS to be Axel ("you follow me?").

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Yeah, that super-fake pregnancy belly was soooo freakin' hot!!!

    by gruntybear

    Once again, the Walking Dead talkback is a pit of imbecilic fanboy nonsense. The comic is flat-out awful. Bad, bad art and juvenile writing. But somehow it's a phenomenon in the comic world and commands stupid high speculator prices. The show is at least watchable serial horror - unlike that American Horror soap opera crap that was heavily plugged during last night's premiere.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST

    mahgra_kae - the Katana move

    by Dan Anthony

    Is a traditional technique for shaking blood off the blade before sheathing it. It not only looks cool, but indicates the showrunners actually know what they're doing. +1 for me.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Axel

    by CutterZane

    Kirkman confirmed today that the prisoner who says "Holy shit!" at the end of the episode is indeed Axel (and somewhat smaller than his comic book counterpart).

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 8:13 a.m. CST

    @cutterzane - agreed, black prisoner is Tyreese

    by Baribunma

    Big and bad, he's finally on the show. It will take a while to find out he MAY have been framed or killed somebody in self-defense. Tyreese being a prisoner will also allow him to join the group and be the badass from the comic until the Gov takes him out. Michonne may even share a ride with him.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 8:22 a.m. CST

    @baribunma

    by CutterZane

    Well, I was hopeful but apparently none of them are Tyreese. Did a bit of digging around and the names of the prisoners are Big Tiny (Theodorus Crane - the large black guy I figured was Tyreese), Oscar (Vincent Ward), Andrew (Markice Moore), Tomas (Nick Gomez), and Axel (Lew Temple). Which is a bit disappointing since both Kirkman and Mazzara have both hinted that Tyreese was yet to come, but given his (comic book) role in the prison arc, it seems they're leaving his introduction a little late.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 8:28 a.m. CST

    @cutterzane - too bad, thanks for the research

    by Baribunma

    Maybe we get Tyreese somewhere down the track. It WILL be interesting watching Lew Temple as Axel. I wonder how far AMC

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST

    .. how far AMC will let them go

    by Baribunma

    with Axel. Dang post button...

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST

    @cutterzane

    by Thomas

    Any hope that "big tiny's" real name is Tyreese and they just wanted to keep his name on the DL if possible?

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST

    That episode sucked...

    by Andrew Coleman

    Okay so they kill like a hundred zombies and dick heads who can't handle dialogue were happy... My problem is this... If one chick with a sword and a hand full of people with knives and crow bars can kill hundreds of zombies at a time... How exactly did the military get defeated so easily by the zombies? The show has stepped back from explaining how the world ended and now is just bogged down in cliche bull shit. The slaughtering of zombies has also turned them into almost a non-threat. Sure they killed them in the first season... One or two at a time. Not killing hundreds like a video game. This episode has almost lost me. If they don't get back on track I'll just drop it.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST

    @doom

    by Thomas

    Not sure which "hundreds" you are talking about, but I see your point about the military being overrun. In my mind, that is an issue with the zombie genre in general though

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    That was actually a good start

    by rakesh patel

    Carl has become all grown up. T-Dog ( c'mon has anyone actually asked him what his real name is?) speaks, has a opinion and actually makes sense. Daryl carries on his animal culinary tour, first squirrel, now owl, next cat? Carol still pretty useless ( especially as a shot) what's going on with her and daryl exactly? No one likes dog food. Michonne is pretty badass Lori is still pretty annoying, although at least rick isn't the bitch he was last season,but a bit more a passive aggressive then he usually is. Some interesting talk lori said about the child being still born and potentially a walker. hadn't thought about it, but kind makes sense. the only thing that didn't make sense ( and need a bit of exposition) is how long a walker is a walker. the guard they took the keys off was dead, but wasn't a walker, how long do they last for? and to be sure, why wouldn't you decapitate first instead of tentatively trying to sneak around and grab Keys. Well i guess they've learned that lesson with Hershel leg bitten. Kudos on the money shots with rick hacking away with a blunt axe on the leg, and the guard helmet face rip. Well played. Off to a good start.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 9:39 a.m. CST

    excited about the prisoners...

    by Richard

    They provide alot of drama throughout the first half of the comics arc in the prison. Thomas, Axel, and Andrew are all from the comics (if "Tomas" is the same as Thomas Richards in the comics) and I honestly think "big tiny" is a surrogate for Dexter in the comics. Thomas is one to watch out for. He killed Hershel's two youngest daughters in the comics. He also lied to the group, telling them he was in prison for tax evasion or something similar, although he was a murderer. He also tries to kill Andrea, giving her halg a Glasgow smile. Rick promptly beats the crap out og him to the point of mutilating his own hand. Not sure any of this will make it to the show, as after Rick beats the crap out of him, they debate for days on whether to kill him. Already went through all that with Randall last year. If it does happen now, i suspect rick will just shoot him where he stands. Axel's cool, a perv, but a harmless perv. Watched Lori and Carol in the shower, but never did anything harmful to the group. Dexter was a big part of the prison arc. Hes the only one who admits hes in for murderer. Though he killed his wife for cheating. Hes the one they throw in a jail cell when Hershels daughters are decapitated. He holds it against them because he didnt do it. When they release him he and andrew (who are sexual partners after being left alone in prison so long) get riot gear from an overrun block and try to run the group from the prison. They also didnt seal off the overrun block and walkers attack them at the same time. While fighting off the walkers, Rick PURPOSEFULLY shoots Dexter in the head and Andrew willingly flees the prison. Oscar is nowhere in the comics. And I dont think helllast long. For the simple fact he pulled a gun on the group. That usually doesnt work out well. Remember Nebraska?

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST

    @mr_x_ and octoburn

    by CutterZane

    1) I seem to recall someone (Dale, I think) calling T-Dog "Theodore" in the last season, so that's presumably his real name. 2) As for the prisoners, I note that Episode 4 is called "Killer Within"....so I think it's logical to conclude that the Thomas subplot from the comics will play out here. Considering who the victims were in the comics (and that they aren't on the show), I'm going to make a prediction that on the show, it'll be another death in the family for Hershel. And I don't mean Maggie...

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST

    oh and i absolutely hate

    by Richard

    That there are two black characters with stereotypical names. Theodore Douglas has to be called T-Dogg while whether hes Dexter or Tyreese, he's called Big Tiny. Whats next? Michonne will be called M-Nizzle?

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST

    @cutterzane..

    by Richard

    I honestly doubt they'll kill off Beth now. The first episode seemed to be setting Beth up as Sophias replacement as Carls love interest. I think itll be more natural here as well, since they are teenagers rather than Carl and Sophia being 7-8 at this point in the comics. I honestly dont know how theyll set it up. But, they replace Andrea getting her face cut by thomas (shell probably still be in Woodbury at ep 4) with Beth. Thats what i like about the show. My wife keeps telling me to stop reading the comics cause ill know what happens. To which i usually responded "so ill know carl and sophia are boyfriend/girlfriend, Otis cheats on his gf, hershel's young twin daughters get decapitated. Allen gets bit on the leg, gets his leg chopped off and dies. Tyreese breaks up with Carol" at which point she usually tells me to shut up. Ha.

  • It's like if Rick doesn't reach through the tv screen and give you a handjob it's not good enough. Go watch Game of Thrones, losers.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Walking Dead bored me to tears

    by chaseguy17

    Nonstop action does not make for good television; especially when we have seen it all before. Sometimes I feel like the Walking Dead caters to the Call of Duty generation. "Yo bro, dem zombies are wearing riot gear. But it's serous man and wins tons of rewards yo, it has character development and such." Character development means nothing if it isn't executed properly. Contrary to what some of you may believe, there are probably only 2 to 3 solid actors on the show. Some of them are absolutely atrocious, (Glen, Laurie, T-Dogg, buzz chick). Might I recommend Breaking Bad, Boardwalk Empire, Homeland, Game of Thrones, Sons of Anarchy and Justified. Is there anybody out there who honestly feels that Walking Dead comes close to being superior to any of those? Don't get me wrong; this show had potential and it still does have a chance to rebound. As it stands, the show is in dire need of a reshuffle. It's a bad sign when the recycled storylines start already in season 2 and carry-on into season 3.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 10:37 a.m. CST

    To quickly follow-up

    by chaseguy17

    I feel like the show has completely milked dry the appeal of zombies already. In the last two episodes that have aired alone, the team has killed probably a city full of zombies. Why would you continue this trend in a season premiere? Good writers know how to build suspense and now blow their loads during a season opener. The zombies hardly appear to be a threat and it's getting boring seeing zombies stabbed through their faces a million times over. It is clear that this show does not know how to kill the time in-between the 2 to 3 actual interesting storylines they create for each season.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Prisoners could be interesting... But just make the zombies scary again

    by Andrew Coleman

    They've gone into video game zone. People using swords and shit is cool... But after the first kill it gets boring quick. They went through the jail and killed these things just so easily. I just want one character or episode where they explain how exactly everything fell apart. Like if a band of civilians can kill an entire prison of zombies... How the fuck did the military get overwhelmed in several months? They make it seem like a gun shot attracts them in droves... Okay but if a group of people with knives can kill a hundred of them... Then soldiers armed with machine guns could kill thousands. Also I dislike the up close killing shit they are doing. If it is a disease. Blood would get on you so easily. It just ruined it for me. They have too many moments now where the zombies just stand around... Waiting to get killed. They aren't scary at all or threatening. I thought adding the riot gear zombies would add something... Nope they were killed quickly too. They need to step up now. Show the zombies have group intelligence or something. Let them use weapons... Because right now the scare factor is long gone. It's just zombie slaughter time which is really boring.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 11:13 a.m. CST

    It's all about strategy

    by oisin5199

    I'm not sure why this is hard to understand. Outside the prison, you have a limited number of walkers scattered across a penned in area with great lines of sight. You keep them penned in, distract half of them, keep them from hoarding, get the high ground and take them all out. They had a plan. Fish in a barrel. At the farm, there was absolutely no way to control the battleground. Not only were they taken by surprise, but there were countless places the walkers could approach from and have a surprise attack. There was nothing limiting their entry. That's why the gang barely got out of there alive and they lost a bunch of people. Again, inside the prison hallways, they were fucked because there was no room to maneuver and they were bottlenecked. Though I agree bringing Herschel was stupid. Why wouldn't they leave their only doctor (vet or no) to take care of the pregnant lady? Why would they bring their oldest and frailest member on such a dangerous mission? And don't dumbasses know by now to check for head wounds before stepping over a dormant walker? (note to Mr X, the guard with the keys clearly had his head blown through, so no walker potential there). This just seems like another random decision, like with killing Dale and having Lori drive away from the farm to find Rick, just to put a character in danger for the convenience of the plot. Still, I like the fact that now, post Shane, everyone, even Carl, has no problem killing walkers. There's no more hand-wringing and horror around it. There's still fear, but there's more determination. You just do it to survive. I think that's a nice evolution of the characters and the show. I don't think that's a copout at all. And I thought the riot gear was a great twist in the middle of the crazy action. Bring on more Michonne and the Governor. I'm (mostly) psyched for season 3.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    myphdisdoom ...

    by MoneyGrabSequel

    The all already carry the virus, only bites or scratches turn you ... and death. Other than that I agree with all you say.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST

    They have to earn my respect...

    by Hipshot

    After transforming Tyrese into T-Dawg (and no, I don't think they were originally intended to be two separate characters. I think Darabount turned Tyrese into a racist caricature and then waited to see if they could get away with it) they had a big count against them. But shooting the zombies rather than stabbing them through the fence, when they'd already established the tactic and the need to save ammunition, that was just stupid. I found myself having difficulty empathizing with the show, but enjoying it, hoping to get sucked deeper in as the season goes.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Wait, What?

    by lowman

    First everyone cried that it was too boring and not enough Zombies and now its TOO many Zombies? Jesus Christ! THere is no making any of you happy.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST

    How the fuck did the military get overwhelmed in several months?

    by heylookoverthere

    I have no idea how many soldiers we have on american soil (including reserve units, national guard, etc) But it's not that hard to imagine. At the start no one would have known what was going on, by the time the military was mobilized they would already be dealing with large numbers of zombies. You recommend shooting them with machine guns, which hard to get headshots with. Firing wildly into a crowd of zombies is not going to stop many of them. Read WWZ if you want an idea of how badly the military might do against zombies. On another note, I wonder if they lock the cells at night. It's a risk but I would. All it'd take was someone dying in the night of a brain aneurysm or something and you're totally fucked.

  • I just don't think they had enough room in the story they wanted to do for Tyrese, so they created a different, minor character. But I do realllly wish they develop T-Dog. Maybe find a way to bring him to Tyrese levels in the prison.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    The military was overwhelmed because they were not prepared.

    by Fries Against

    When the outbreak began they would not have known if it could be cured or not. They may have tried to contain the infected which would have backfired. Also, I imagine a lot of soldiers would have had issues with committing genocide.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    i know i'll get blasted..

    by mcgillj

    but i genuinely liked season 2.. even the non walker issues.. people bitching about season 2 did they read the books? as for season 3.. some great gags.. but no real momentum.. just hints.. are they gonna have the balls to start pulling the trigger? i enjoy the books.. but the writer seems to have to keep trying to do the shock death.. i don't see the show going that route.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Buffy spoiler flashbacks

    by doubleh55

    I made a huge mistake. I forgot Hercules has the worst sense of humor and often times says the dumbest things about an episode. You think I would know better after having suffered through years of Angel and Buffy spoiler posts.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    It's all about the numbers

    by Dan Anthony

    Military in the US has 1.4M active personnel. Let's assume 75% are combat troops, so a little over 1M actual combatants. The US has a population of 314M (plus tourists). What do you think the chances of 1million people holding off 300 million, where the only way to destroy them are head shots? Especially when they're in an urban environment, like New York. Sure they could nuke them, but... they wouldn't commit suicide.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST

    ive also wondered...

    by Richard

    If Andreas being sick has anything to do with her car-sex with Shane.

  • WTF? I mean, how about at least some visors, some simple skateboarder forearm pads? I can hardly watch this show anymore. It goes to great lengths to get good actors, good sets, good Fx...and then pisses on the whole premise by having the survivors hack/slash their way through bucket loads of gore BUT...if you get any in a scratch, your fucked. Is this how you'd react? Shit, people wont even help a bloodied neighbor for fear of AIDS contamination, and these ass clowns just mow through zombies covered in gore? inexcusably bad writing.

  • The smell. Its enough to gag a maggot (speaking of which I guess all the insects died off, as they would be infesting these zombies). You'd smell a zombie a mile off. AND, if they are attracted to SOUND, how about just setting up some music here and there to throw them off? Ya think?

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Military overrun...

    by lowman

    Not to mention a hell of alot of the soldiers are going to either infected from family/ friends and/ or go AWOL to try and save family/ friends. Imagine Hurricane Katrina + Zombies.

  • That's the point of this season. They're demonstrating that the zombies are no longer a viable threat to the group (Hershel. The real danger will be from the living from this point on. "Fight the Dead. Fear the Living" is the tagline for the season for a reason. As for the "How did the military get overrun" business..You're assuming the military would still be around, in tact and operating normally in an apocalypse/martial law situation. I assure you they would not be. After it all went to shit, MOST of the military would abandon their post and get onto worrying about their own family and lives. I loved the episode to set the tone for the season. I'd like one more episode of great zombie kills to get the prison cleared out, then back to the human drama of the show. While the show definitely needed a balls to the wall zombie killing episode, you can't sustain that pace (nor should you) for the entire season.

  • The only remotely interesting character on the show was Shane, because he became so drastically different from his comic book counter part. The rest are boring and predictable Sons of Anarchy has more depth than this show

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    ubermanagain

    by heylookoverthere

    Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but since everyone is infected there's really no risk of being infected by contact with zombie blood. It's just that when you die for any reason you will turn. Being bitten by a zombie usually means death. While it makes sense for the characters to be grossed out and afraid at the thought of getting zombie blood in their eyes, I don't think it would actually do anything. In fact there may have been no reason for Rick to Cut off Hershel's leg? Unless getting bitten produces a fever that leads to death, I'd have to re-watch the older episodes.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Why Herschel forgot to check the ankle- hungry zombie

    by angry kitty

    My thought is that he was just caught up with worry about Maggie's safety and got clumsy. Simple as that. Easy to see how concern for a loved one makes you forget simple safety precautions.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Bites == Death

    by Dan Anthony

    You have to think the bite of a walking corpse would carry contagion. IIRC, the shot of Hershel's wound showed flesh that was already blackening. Once they lopped off the leg, it was bright clean red...

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    I wanted to seen Carl kill Shane when he was still ALIVE.

    by sweeneydave

  • only to reveal to them that he was already infected and they had caught him so easily because he was bitten and had left the group to die in the woods.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    I wanted to see Carls sweet on-going relationship with Sophia.

    by sweeneydave

  • whoops, wrong zombie fiction. I can still hope can't I?

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST

    All this arguing and yet.....

    by Taragor

    Have we forgotten that ZOMBIE AREN'T REAL???? I mean I love the show, and it is very entertaining, and yes I yell at the stupidity at some of the decisions, but at the end of the day, we are talking fiction here! In Aliens, at least the wrote in the idea of any of the blood/juice from the alien being acidic and burning people. I have to admit, I am not sure how a scratch poses any more danger than getting the stuff into your eyes and thus absorbing through mucous membranes. My son and I went shooting yesterday and on the way home tried to understand how during the farm being over ran last year, so many people were taking "head shots" at the zombie while driving in cars. I mean come on! I am no where near a good shot, but i can only imagine under nervousness and fear, I would be lucky to hit the side of a barn let alone the zombie, let ALONE the sweet spot of a head! So yes there is a huge amount of bad decisions and plot holes, but it IS FICTION after all. We seem so hell bent lately on making things real that are not. We needed our Batman real, and now our zombies. We all need to relax a bit and enjoy the popcorn.

  • I loved that moment. Tons of solid stuff, and interesting that they did to Hersel what happened to Dale.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Taragor, how old is your son?

    by MovieManStill

    "My son and I went shooting yesterday" just sounds a bit bizarre in 2012, I guess.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Cold & Lifeless....scared of the gays?

    by MovieManStill

    Or are you just a hillbilly?

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST

    @moviemanstill

    by Taragor

    haha I guess, but we went to a shooting range, not trolling around the streets of Los Angeles. He's almost 15. We went with my father and some friends. It was only the second time I took him. But as we fired pistols and rifles, he saw just how much real weapons and "Call of Duty" or "Zombie Hunting" is just not as easy as it seems.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST

    10.9 million viewers...

    by Randy

    and the ratings go up again and break more records, this is going to change television, networks might actually try more violent TV. How long is this show gonna go on with ratings like this?It would have to drop so low to get cancelled.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Apparently some of you have forgotten...

    by Dlgothv

    That the zombie plague is a disease, and the survivors are all carriers. You die if natural causes, you come back. You get bitten, all it does is accelerate the process. It doesn't matter if they get spattered with gore or not, they already have it.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Myphisdoom

    by Dlgothv

    Smartening up the zombies or having them use weapons would be the most retarded fucking thing ever. Romero did it and it completely ruined his movies ie Land of the Dead. Horrible...the real threat to any post-apocalyptic tale are the survivors and what they're willing to do to each other to survive...

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST

    The most chilling moment...

    by tailhook

    was when they pointed out the problem of if she had chosen to abort the kid last year. JUST EWWWW. You just know someone is going to knockout a quickie film based on that concept. An aborted zombie fetus killing the mother from the inside/out.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST

    since when are zombies made of butter?

    by altoandando

    seriously, you blow on them, they die. nice to see they managed to include extended scenes of crying, whining, and angst too. same old same old.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Dish Customer Here.....

    by skydemon

    Last to chime in, I'm sure. Until the AMC/Dish hashing is over, I'll be watching 24 hours after broadcast streaming on Vudu in beautiful HDX video. Enjoyed episode one, my only complaint is that it's only 44 minutes long (minus commercials). As highly rated as TWD is, why didn't AMC greenlight a two hour premiere? We should have got a two hour premiere dammit!

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 6:37 p.m. CST

    zombie babies......

    by Bouncy X

    they already made a movie... http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/57849/zombie-babies/

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST

    I liked it not for tha action

    by rakesh patel

    but the fact they were exhausted by running. not a word was said in the first 5 minutes not because everyone received t-dawgs script , but because they were constantly on the run, every place they go to has been over run. every supply place has been raided. Carl is no longer a kid, he stands watch. and he shoots zombies. they are thinking smarter acting as a team and utilizing what they can find to help them. including handcuffs and Caribiner Clips. Hell even the quick fence sew wa a great idea. Looks like to me that they spent some money, to allow a bigger vision and tightened up continuity and looked at logical steps that rational people would take. And with that i'm happy. I'd actually be happy with a radical departure from the comic book and i'd love to have Lennie James back. All in all, this episode was a good un.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 7:35 p.m. CST

    I don't have a problem with where the group is now

    by Truxton Spangler

    Obviously, they've been on the run for a few months, have responded to Rick's ultimatum, and have hardened up and become much more proficient survivors. At least there's some progress. Too much zombie action? Perhaps, but it was a nice change, and still better than the talky contemplation scenes that made up the majority of last season. Until the writers can demonstrate that they have a better handle on those types of scenes, some more zombie slaying isn't necessarily such a bad thing.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 8:44 p.m. CST

    In the prison itself...

    by SA_Rhyno

    ...while they were searching inside the building where Herschel got bit, there were zombie corpses everywhere and they appeared to be gnawed on and partially eaten... or did I read more into it?

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Oison5199

    by Hipshot

    No, I don't think people deliberately create racist caricatures. I think they create them unconsciously, by not fully identifying with the humanity of black (or other out-group) characters. It is utterly predictable that they would cut the balls off Tyrese, and turn him into a tubby, blank slate. that happens when people don't give a shit. then, you give that character nothing to do, no back story, no relationships, no personality. It is disgusting, but of course you're totally welcome to enjoy the result. Millions do.

  • Oct. 16, 2012, 12:43 a.m. CST

    The whole problem of the Zombie genre is that it's old and stale.

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    The Walking Dead. WWZ. It's all been done. There has been absolutely no re-imagining or anything creative or new dealing with corpses that rise from the dead and eat people. It's all the same. Just swap the characters and tell the story from a different pov, but it still is the same tired old formula we've all seen before. And why is that? Why hasn't there been any writer or director willing to go more into depth as to why a zombie outbreak occurs? I mean, something more scientific such as how the dead can walk despite the well known fact that rigor mortis sets in when you die and the muscles stiffen? Or why would zombies need to feed on blood in the first place? After all, it's not like humans have an urge(cannibals excepted) for raw flesh. I just want something new, something fresh. Not just the same old, same old.

  • Oct. 16, 2012, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Shane dead + minimal Andrea = improved show

    by Bedhead7

    Now we just need to keep the kid and Lori minimized and this could be a good season!

  • oisin5199 had it exactly right about the evolution of the group this season. Having been on the run so long, the group has gotten very, very good at defending themselves from zombies. Consider the dialogueless opening to this season, wherein they clear a house methodically, only to realize they're stuck eating an owl and some dogfood. There's still real danger in starvation, moreso than the dead. As to the "racial stereotype" of T-Dog, I believe Frank Darabont had spoken about casting Tyresse two years ago in Season 3, at Comic Con, but as we all saw it came to nothing with his departure. They're not the same character. T-Dog's real problem isn't that he's a poor stand in for Tyresse (who is an unbelievable badass), it's that he still has nothing to do, save lay down sarcastic one liners here and there. He needs to be three dimensional, not a cardboard cutout. We've been with this guy two seasons now and I think it'd be nice if we actually knew something about him. Season 3 will be head and shoulders above Season 2 provided the conflict with The Governor is close to that of the books, regardless of the changes made with the character in casting.

  • Oct. 16, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST

    mr_x_ RE: guard with keys

    by obidawsn

    The guard with the keys was probably never a walker. It looks like he was shot in the head. I assume he may have taken his own life, although it looks like the bullet went through the back of his head, while most would shoot from the side. So he could have been a walker for a short time before he was shot in the head. Either way, he wasn't a "live" walker because of his head wound.

  • Oct. 16, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Zombie bites and scratches..

    by Randy DeLaney

    The way I interpret the bites and scratches is that they carry horrible diseases, etc. They talked about how after you get bit there is a terrible fever than you turn into one. That makes it sounds like you basically die from the bite or scratch due to some sort of horrible infection and the fever is your body's last ditch effort to fight it, but you die and then come back a zombie. I can only imagine the amount of deadly bacteria a zombie has in it's mouth or on it's rotten flesh. But really if that's the case then when you kill one and their equally rotten blood, or pieces of flesh fly into your mouth of eyes then it would only stand to reason you would get the deadly infection, resulting fever, and die. Of course I'm with the crowd of people who don't really like over analyzing a movie, or show, when it's got such a ridiculous premise to begin with. Basically don't let your brain get in the way of being entertained.

  • Oct. 16, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST

    @obidawsn thanks for the.. heads up.

    by rakesh patel

  • Oct. 16, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Glad Rick finally realized that his wife fucking sucks

    by skoolbus

  • Oct. 16, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    If you can't enjoy this show - what are you doing on this site?

    by FrodoFraggins

  • Oct. 16, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST

    mjs_cold_lifeless_guilty_corpse

    by heylookoverthere

    "As for moviemanstill....look everyone....it's another brave white person heroically standing up for the gay community. Look homo - everyone in the world uses the words gay and faggot....because it's funny (South Park did a whole episode on it). Only fags like you try to buck the trend either because you're gay yourself (but even gays use the fag word) or you're an asshole trying to force politically correct grammar on everyone. " How old are you? "Politically correct grammar?" really? The fact of the matter is that people find the world offensive. Yes we're sorta in a transition phase right now with regard to it's acceptance. For years it was totally socially acceptable to call other people Niggers. Now in most places, it is not. There are plenty of insults you can use that aren't derogatory to a specific race or group of people. Hopefully someday you'll reach a level of maturity and realize "cause it's funny" isn't a justification for offending/insulting an entire group of individuals.

  • Oct. 16, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Chandler Riggs seriously needs to make Carl badass

    by Jackson

  • Oct. 16, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST

    T-Dawg and racial stereotypes

    by oisin5199

    At first, people accused Glenn of being a racial stereotype (a plucky, delivery boy who knows how to get around the city, a la Short Round), but then the writers actually deepened his character, gave him more to do, more dramatic situations to contribute to and a relationship that has helped define him (and to the show's credit, only briefly dwelt on the interracial issue and Herschel's early prejudice, without making it an ongoing thing). When T-Dawg got introduced, it was as an object of Merle's racism. Similarly, T-Dawg got one conversation with Dale that was specifically predicated on his race. And we still don't know his name (I believe someone said it was mentioned once, but I don't remember it). So yeah, he's still a paper-thin token (hipshot, I don't think we're disagreeing). And it's not like they're not capable of an African-American character with some nuance and depth. See the pilot. Indeed, bring back Lennie James!!! We saw a tiny bit of progress in that T-Dawg contributes to the strategy planning and people listen to him. But they have got to do a lot to give T-Dawg some long overdue depth. Of course, all this salivating for Tyrese as a bad-ass ex-football player smacks of racial stereotyping itself.

  • Also, those guns have no recoil. Really annoying.

  • Oct. 16, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST

    cromulent

    by Bass Ackwards

    The idea is they're all infected, so when they die, they'll become a zombie regardless of if they are bit. BUT, a zombie bite will also kill you, like being bit by a snake, so the idea of cutting of the leg isn't to stop the part of the infection of making him a zombie but to stop the part that will kill him.

  • Oct. 17, 2012, 1 p.m. CST

    A Question for you. And a comment.

    by Filmrage

    First, my question: if everyone is already infected then why do they need to chop Farmer Giles leg off? I assume it's a world wide infection and people don't become zombies because they are directly bitten by zombies but rather as a result of dying and it just happens that most people have been dying from being bitten (multiple times) by zombies. So if Hershal is already infected then all they had to do was clean the wound best they could. Come to think of it, the same for that guy they left by a tree in the first season. Now, my points. By the end of the second season I was worried that TWD was going to go the way of latter seasons of Battlestar Galactica (ie the early good balance of action and drama leaning towards mostly naval gazing drama) or the quick decent into ridiculous story lines of Heroes. I'm sorry but if the writing is bad then the mind can't accept the scenarios, and I don't just mean clunky dialogue. For example. In the first season the dude with the Winebago was whining about not having some small hose for the engine when there was abandoned cars stretching as far as the eye can see. The crew are struggling to keep supplied with weapons and ammo . . . in America? Zombie pleeeease. Then there is the general way they go about things. Sleeping in the outdoors in flimsy tents; practically in view of Atlanta? Then sleeping in tents again 'after' they had already been attacked doing so? Darwin 'demands' that their asses get eaten. Then there is the liberal nonsense such as Mrs Rick not wanting her son to be around guns (but presumably being surrounded by Zombies with no firearms training is ok). Then there is the general way of going about things such as the way they cleared the prison yard rather than sectioning off an area and corralling the Z's into a pen or going into a previously (presumably) over crowded prison and wondering down dark halls with nothing but a couple of guns and a crowbar or just not prioritising stuff such as 1. get armed to the teeth. 2. practice tactical movement. 3. secure food and shelter. 5. think about finding a reasonable sized island or any other thing that the viewer would want to vicariously do through the characters. The ending of season 1 with them running out of gas and huddling on a bridge was just pathetic. Not even any extra gas in Gerry cans? I have to say though, the first episode of season 3, despite some dumb stuff, was quite good as the balance of action and drama was good and they were trying to come up with a logical plan and although the execution was suicidal they were at least trying. Unlike the latter episodes of season 2, I am so far looking forward to the the next episodes of season 3 which means they must have got some things right. Oh and, when are they going to give the black guy a gun, come to think of it, some meaningful dialogue or a storyline.

  • Oct. 17, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    oisin5199

    by Hipshot

    Bad-ass football player as racial stereotype. Not since the 70's. The fact is that alpha survivors could well be exceptional in one way or another. And even if it's a stereotype, I'd rather have a positive, aggressive survivor with heroic appetites than a cringing beta who has never revealed the slightest aspect of his inner life. The father in the first episode was indeed a wonderful character. And they got him "outa there" as fast as possible. I think that character was what happened when they thought about it, while T-Dawg is what happened when their unconscious aversive patterns kicked in. I'm sure there will be black prisoners. Gee, thanks a lot.

  • Oct. 18, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Not since the 70's

    by oisin5199

    um, do you watch football? Overly aggressive, muscular black men is most of what America sees when they see African-American men on tv. (the way Michael Vick was crucified, for instance). But yeah, it's also a Mandingo thing. but let's be clear. T-Dawg certainly still has the potential to be a more in-depth, nuanced character if the writers could be arsed. Not sure how capable the actor is, though. Right now, it's in their hands to improve that situation. It's not irreversible. I just hope the same old racist shit doesn't come up when Merle comes back. But I think we're all in agreement: bring back Lennie James!!! He was great in Snatch, great in Jericho. You want this guy on your side (but also because you don't want him against you).