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Herc’s Friday TV Talkback!!
The STRIKE BACK Finale!! Penultimate BOSS!! More!!

Guests on HBO’s “Real Time With Bill Maher” tonight include “Argo” director Ben Affleck, Gov. Brian Schweitzer (D-Montana) and Obama-hating U.S. congressman Darrell Issa (R-California). Interview guests are Obama-hating author and commentator Ann Coulter )”Mugged: Racial Demagoguery From the Seventies to Obama”) and Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) chair and author Sheila Bair (“Bull By The Horns”).

I love “Homeland,” but “Boss” is better than “Homeland.” “Boss” is the spiritual successor to “The Wire.” Next Friday brings its season finale and next Tuesday Starz has orgazined a marathon of this season’s first nine episodes. Fire up that DVR!!

Premiering tonight:

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“Made In Jersey,” from “Journeyman” writer-producers Dana Calvo and Kevin Falls, was the first cancellation of the fall season:

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  • Oct. 12, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST

    I'm going to let it go for now.

    by CatVutt

    But I fully expect dedicated Fringe TBs for the final half-dozen or so episodes, I will need to speak to your manager, young man.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST


    by CatVutt


  • Oct. 12, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Bill O'Reilly defeated Rachel Maddow 2-1 in 13 innings last night....

    by Uncle Pooky

    but of course, there was NO MENTION of it on this specific webpage!!! HACKS!

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    More Ben Affleck Argo! Ohhhh! Jizz jizz jizz!

    by Fries Against

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Boss is okay...

    by Jacob Ulrich

    but in no way is it better than Homeland. Shockface.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST


    by NudeandAroused

    Is absolutely brilliant. Kelsey Grammer is brilliant. One of the better actors around. It's because pseudo liberal Hollywood's bigotry against anyone who thinks differently, that he isn't working more. "Boss" is great. Anyone wants to learn about American politics should watch it. "Boss" is American TV at its finest.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Penultimate Boss, not antepenultimate

    by Dr Hemlock

    Penultimate is the second to last (that's tonight). Antepenultimate is the third to last (that was last week).

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Boss is Brilliant

    by DaKnifeOrDaGun

    It's unfortunate that it wont be renewed. I commend Starz for taking a chance on it. I'm still hoping Starz renews but thats about as likely as Mike Tyson co hosting Good Morning America...heh.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    no hercs right boss is better than homeland

    by jsfithaca

    and i see where your coming from with it being the spiritual ancester to the wire, but the wires is definently better. all three shows are great though so it doesn't really matter. and starz better renew it, its the only thing that allows them to assert themselves as a serious network. also might have to watch maher to see what retarded thing ann coulter says this time.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Made in Jersey had a good cast and some good writing

    by jim

    but also a lot of terrible writing. The first scene to establish she has "street smarts" - figuring out the pliers found with their client's fingerprints on them wasn't the murder weapon - was stupid. Just because the girls probably used the pliers to zip up their tight jeans doesn't preclude it as the murder weapon. However, on the other hand, if it was the murder weapon I think there'd be more evidence on the pliers than simply a set of fingerprints. But hey, why wait for the ME's report and forensic evidence? Our plucky, street smart heroine knows for a fact it is not the murder weapon because she can conceive of a reason why two girls would have pliers in their closet and why the accused might have had the need to use them (other than committing murder). Because, I guess, girls owning pliers is suspicious on its own, but a girl who actually handled pliers is, apparently, completely unheard of. And, of course, she not only defends innocent people unfairly accused of murder, but is able to exonerate them by discovering the identity of the real killer. I was curious about tonight's episode to see if they were going to throw a curve and have her client actually be guilty (or, at least, find another way to get them off other than uncovering the true culprit of the crime).

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 2:19 p.m. CST

    New Fringe tonight!!!!!

    by Paul

    Sucks that we don't get a dedicated talkback, but at least we have this.

  • I suggest you get a new one because yours is broken. Why in the world would Starz not renew such a phenomenal show? What with this being the last season for Spartacus, I would think that they would want to hold on to Boss for as long as they can.

  • And could it stop with the build-up-build-up-build-up until the last 5 minutes when everything gets abuptly resolved pattern already? And wow, do those creature transformations need better CGI.

  • Different strokes for different folks... but unless you have a thing against "CIA dramas"... no way is Boss close to Homeland in overall quality.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST


    by skiprat1

    Yes, it needs its own Talkback. I'm curious to know more about what power the observers actually yield in order to overrun an entire planet. How many of them are there? Will we find out more about the attitude of the populace toward them beyond that of their foot soldiers? If Fringe team actually succeeds in ridding the world of them, what happens next? I really hope Desmond's head gets put back on a body, after seeing it removed last week. What were they hoping to use William Bell's hand to access? Is the machine that we keep seeing a different machine from that in previous seasons, or the same but re-purposed? In Letters of Transit, did Etta have an ability conceal her real thoughts, or did she use a machine similar to the one Walter has been using to try to regain his memories (I missed first 1/3 of first episode, so that may have been answered)? Was this an ability inherited from Olivia's cortexiphan - altered DNA?I have too many questions to type. Is Windmark the Observer in charge of all Observers, or do they have their own ranks (isn't he referred to as Captain?)? Ok I'm stopping.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Fringe should be good tonight

    by Paul

    loo like it going to be a dieae/creature o the week episode, but within the arc of finding the videotapes. I was affrad that with the quick nature of the short season that we wouldn't get those type of episodes, So I'm happy about it. I'm assuming that they toke the video camera and player with them since they have been replaced by now with whatever Observer media player thats the newer thing. Although with the Observers in charge maybe they don't even have entertainment like movies and TV?

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST


    by Paul

    From what I understand Etta's ability is internal, I'm assuming that she got it from Mommy Olivia.About Windmark I was wondering that myself, I'm assuming that since he's very hands on that he's kind of the head of security/army and theres a group of Observers that actually leads, but who knows? I also somehow how they take Desmonds head and attatch it somehow to a body like with Newton, maybe using the same tech they used to make Bell/Jone's organic shapeshifters? But seeing the flooting head I got the feeling that was the crators way of saying that doors forever closed now! Hope I'm wrong.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Herc has lost credibility

    by Titus05

    comparing Boss to The Wire?? ROFL! saying Boss is better then Homeland??...LOL I guess engaging in hyperbole is his way of trying to get someone, anyone to watch Boss before it gets cancelled

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST

    I love me some Tom Kane!!!!

    by mongo126

    Say what you want, but Boss is easily one of the top 10 scripted shows on TV right now. The Homeland statement is a tad strong, but if you're going to say Boss isn't good, you need to watch Honey Boo Boo.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST

    smerdyakov & paburrows_rises

    by skiprat1

    smerdyakov: Good point. Maybe they have different levels of ability? paburrows_rises: Yeah, you're probably right, Desmond probably isn't coming back.

  • FNC- 10.0 the dullard maddow- 4.3 its sad that pookys and Herc the fucking Hacks hero, the dullard maddow (and MSNBC), barley beats BOR, even with the VP debate!! case in point... BOR- 4.1 (wednesday) the dullard maddow- 4.3 (thursdays VP debate) so sad for these two obsessed people lol. BUT(!!!) as Herc the fucking Hack says...*I look at the girl with the cable show that beats everything on CNN and almost everything on Fox News.* HAHAHAHAHA! it would be so funny if it wasnt so fucking sad. u lose, YET AGAIN, Herc!

  • cant wait to be *surprised*!

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Boss IS awesome

    by theGoldbergV

    I'm not caught up with all of season 2 yet but if you had to compare them, I'd say I overall probably like it more than Homeland. Both great shows though, and yeah I do get a Wire season 5 type vibe from Boss. Excited for new Fringe but as someone said above, they do need to lay down some rules for these Observers... I mean are they not psychic anymore? And can they all time travel, or was that just September and his science team? Although this is the most sci-fi Fringe has ever been, I do worry we're probably in for some mystical magic type resolution. I mean what's with the weird symbols you can put on the floor that stick an Observer in place?! Plus we should be due an Astrid breakdown any moment now... It's alright for the Bishops, they've got each other. Astrid's just found out her whole life (assuming she has one of course -least developed character ever) has changed and everyone she knew outside of work is most likely dead. You'd think they'll probably be a reaction at some point.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST

    paburrows - Fringe

    by mongo126

    I don't think this season is going to have a structure like the old days. I get the feeling, with 11 episodes left, you're going to have 5-6 "find the tapes" episodes. Then you'll have 3-4 that will be about using the info on the tapes to build a *cough The Machine cough* plan to defeat the Observers. The remaining episodes will be the final confrontation and epilogue.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Does jay just copy paste that same thing every day?

    by mongo126

    ..and if Maddow is a dullard by getting crused by O'Reilly, what is O'Reilly since he gets crushed by Stewart?

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST

    John Stewart is a robot built by Al Gore.

    by Metroid_Fetish

    It is designed to spew out hateful liberal lies for 22 minutes at a time, four days of the week. Then it needs to recharge by stealing sunlight from honest, God-fearing, hardworking Americans.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST


    by Paul

    Well yes thats what I was getting at, I also think that the season will playout like you said, but from the looks of the previews it looks like tonights will be a case of the week episode thats worked into the overall arc.

  • but, i guess u get ur news info from a comedy show on Comedy Central? BTW- i dont copy and paste. they are daily ratings. and maddow is a dullard. extremely obtuse.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Fringe tonight

    by mongo126

    Loved the conversation between Peter and Olivia. Looks like they're going to do a slow burn before we find out what "the plan" is, but it required some big time power. I think The Machine would require a power supply like that, don't you. :) WTF is up with two weeks? If I am missing Fringe because of the stupid Yankees, it's only going to add to my hatred of them.

  • Makes the whole thing look like a vhs tape played in reverse.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST

    the Boss vs Homeland debate

    by Rebel Scumb

    I like Boss, but I think Homeland is overall much stronger. The main issue with Boss (to me anyways) is it's interesting without ever being completely engaging. The characters are all fascinating studies but there is no one to relate to or root for. Kelsey Grammer is amazing in it though, the whole cast is. I have no complaints about Boss, but I just wish there was a bit more meat to the show or a way to get emotionally invested in at least one of the characters. Or in some fringe-esque alternate universe Kelsey Grammer is playing Nucky Thompson on Boardwalk Empire and winning an Emmy every year for doing so. He would kill it in that role.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Bill O'Reilly isn't a political commentator

    by Beebop

    David Brooks is a political commentator. Bill O'Reilly is an obnoxious, hateful, black-souled blowhard who preaches to the masses.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 9:11 p.m. CST

    One reason Boss is better than Homeland

    by Itchy

    Hannah Ware's tits. Another ? Kathleen Robertson's tits. Another ? three words: Frank - Motherfucking - Furillo. I love Homeland, I love Boss. Two different shows, two different genres, two great efforts every week. The only difference is that Homeland is more uplifting. At least that show has some good people on it. Every motherfucker in Boss is a wretched human being.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 9:12 p.m. CST


    by mongo126

    Stewart is a comedian, but using that to thin veil political commentary. However, I would ask that you recognize that while he does lean left, he will bash both sides. Something Fox will not do. ....and not to play kiss ass, I respect BOR because he will actually engage in conversations while Ailes puppets like Hannity just spew whatever they're told. I just hate that we've gotten to the point politically where we are today. We should all be embarassed that civility and compromise would become horrible things.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 9:12 p.m. CST

    my hopes for the Fringe series finale

    by Rebel Scumb

    I hope they wrap up all the future vs the observers story in the 2nd last episode, and then the finale is set in 2012 with just a run of the mill creature of the week story that gives all the main characters in their normal status quo one last chance to shine with no big liberate the world story. This show has been great and taken the story to such epic places, I think rather than trying to have some crazy twist ending or big epic action finale, they should just take all the pressure off the final episode and wrap up that stuff before hand, so the finale can just be one last nostalgic Fringe investigation for the fans.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 9:16 p.m. CST

    itchy, exactly

    by Rebel Scumb

    And I mean it says a lot about just how high the caliber of TV has gotten as a whole in the past 10 or so years that BOSS isn't the best thing on TV. We're fortunate to have so many good shows to choose from, and Boss is certainly among them, but you're right everyone in Boss is a soulass backstabber I think Boss also suffers a bit from seeming a bit too transparent in the fact that it feels like some exec or producer pitched it as 'it's the Wire meets Breaking bad...' Still though, I didn't realize there was risk of it not being renewed, or at least that's what some of you are saying. Hopefully that's not the case. I was happy to see my beloved city of Toronto was where Tom Kane went for his treatment. Still haven't seen last week's episode yet because it was thanksgiving, but looking forward to getting caught up on it tomorrow.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by Paul

    I like that idea!

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Boss' ratings

    by Itchy

    have not been strong. That's why they started the season so early (to spur interest before competition started). I haven't paid attention to how it's gone so far this season, but if this show ends after this season due to lack of ratings, then people are assholes and this country needs a quality enema.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Boss is on Starz for fucks' sake of course it has shitty ratings

    by mongo126

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 11:57 p.m. CST


    by skiprat1

    That was a good episode. What I'm not picking up on yet is the purpose of the observers presence. They came back in time to live on this Fringe-close-future earth because their present (far-future) was too damaged and wrecked by their own actions, right? So what are the rules of time-travel in the Fringe-verse, or have none been established yet? Obviously we've had instances of history being irrevocably altered by Peter's disappearing from the original timeline, but that wasn't really a case of time-travel per se, it just slightly altered the events leading up to the present where he re-appeared. So, are the Observers a big bad without a specific goal? They're destroying the atmosphere of their past that they moved back to live in, so they'll have to go somewhere else eventually, presumably further back, so each time they do that, they must be creating a new timeline with a different future, as there'd be no close-future universe they could go back forward to that would be suitable for living in. Right? Oh wait, I suppose as well as traveling through time, they could cross universes, so potentially staying in the same time-period forever, just crossing to a fresh universe when the current version was used up - assuming there are more than the two we've seen. So given that they've come back in time, maybe they've already done that, and there are a finite number of universes that they have at their disposal.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 12:38 a.m. CST

    MAn what an awesome episode!

    by Paul

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 12:41 a.m. CST

    What you said skiprat1 made me think of something

    by Paul

    In previous seasons it seemed that the Observers could jump back and forth between Universes fairly easily, so I'm curious if they took control of the other Universe at the same time as this one. I'm curious if in fact we might somehow see the use of Peters machiene and him possibly opening the bridge again so that they could team up?

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 12:59 a.m. CST

    mongo- good post!

    by jay2517

    *However, I would ask that you recognize that while he does lean left, he will bash both sides. Something Fox will not do.*--- thats why they bring on dems and progressives to counter their hosts. Fox is def. right, but they ARE Fair and Balanced. *Stewart is a comedian, but using that to thin veil political commentary.*--- no, i think he uses that as a excuse (as the pig maher does) for when he fucks up and says something stupid. its the *but, im a comedian* excuse.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 1:03 a.m. CST

    burple- no. he is exactly a political commentator.

    by jay2517

    and brooks is a hack of the highest order.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 2:45 a.m. CST


    by mongo126

    We're going to have to agree to disagree about Fox. The only thing "fair and balanced" is that they are so far right, they balance out MSNBC and CNN's more liberal people. Any network that has Ann Coulter as a fixture is just short of Nazi (hi, Glenn Beck) I like Stewart. He's funny, but he's also smart and not as inflexible as the other talking heads. Fuck Maher. He is a douchebag.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Back to Fringe.

    by mongo126

    My big question, as a viewer, is how long they're going to hold off before we see what "the Plan" is. I'm also wondering if maybe Olivia has more of her cortexiphan power left. Maybe they regenerated during the 20 years she was in amber. Holding to my hope that they make Fringe a full circle. I'll have to clean myself if they do.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 2:54 a.m. CST


    by skiprat1

    I'm not sure. I don't think they'd go the team-up route, at least as a final solution. I think they're more likely to go the "ultimate sacrifice" route. However, I say that based on zero knowledge of the Observer's goals.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 6:20 a.m. CST

    @ angry kitty

    by DaKnifeOrDaGun

    I LOVE Boss and hopes it will be renewed. However, it's a long shot at best. Starz renewed season two after the first episode of the first season on the strength of it's upcoming episodes and initial ratings (which they hoped would only get bigger). Unfortunately that didn't happen. The ratings for were not good and season two have not been better. It's hard to justify renewal when your audience averages around 675,000 per episode. By the way, last night's episode was GREAT. I don't see why there must be a comparison between Boss and Homeland. Both are good shows and their existence on TV is all the more beneficial to the viewer.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Skiprat1 - re: the observer invasion

    by Rebel Scumb

    I think.... and this is just my interpretation... but I think the idea is that September and his team were back here researching all possible timelines so that when the observers came back to invade they could do so in a way which would not erase themselves from history. Where I think the show has perhaps stretched a bit of credibility is that the Observers in full force having conquered the world and possessed of all sorts of foresight and whatnot seem less capable of policing the world and finding the Fringe outlaws then just the regular every day non-godlike occupation force of the FBI Like in last nights episode, how the loyalists just had to drive out to the remote location in a van. If Olivia and Peter were investigating a fringe case in present day the FBI would have helicopters and swat units all over that shit, but some how the observers can't seem to find Astrid at Harvard where she is one room away, and only send a van and a couple of guys out to the woods to track the most wanted fugitives in the world? I know it's for the sake of the plot, and it's hard when you paint characters as godlike to suddenly make them doopable, but it is definitely something where i have to suspend my disbelief.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 6:34 a.m. CST

    possible way Fringe might wrap up their story...

    by Rebel Scumb

    If they rebuilt 'the machine' as some here are suggesting, but instead of Peter going in this time, it was September And him going in erases all observers from existence but the consequence is then that Walternate isn't distracted, finds the cure for young peter, which means Walter never has to go steal peter which means there is no cross over, which means no fringe events, and I guess Olivia marries Mark Valley and lives happily ever after.... ? Actually scratch that idea.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 6:39 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    Agreed, it kind of reminds me of the whole Avengers vs The Dark Knight Rises debate at the start of the summer. There's no need to pick one over the other, we can all enjoy both.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Ok I guess I can see your point. But

    by angry kitty

    I will continue to live in my world of denial. It's nicer there. It has rainbows, unicorns, and season 4 of Brotherhood

  • and YES, fuck that douchebag pig maher. hear, hear! BTW- MSNBC's *more liberal people*?? puhlease! MSNBC is a extreme far leftist network. and CNN is 90% liberal. *more liberal people* LOL??

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST

    I'm really disappointed in "Fringe"

    by Beebop

    I mean....they still have CELL PHONES? The Observers are permitting cell phone usage that cannot be monitored? For a nearly-invincible, technologically-and-evolutionarily-superior version of humans, they're pretty beatable. So many of the decisions this season are simply to serve the convenience of the writers, and are not even close to convincing as a result.

  • ...out of the 34 predictions that Focus on the Family made ahead of Obama's election, not a single one came to pass. If Focus on the Family is Doing God's Work, How Come They're Always Wrong? Oh, that's right: God is your grown-up "special-friend"!

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    ^^^^use, singular, that is...^^^

    by obijuanmartinez

  • u and the pig maher are utter failures of human beings. i mean, the logic of u both is staggeringly hypocritical not to mention illogical. fuck u both.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST

    @jay: Oh, Farmer Fucknuts, feeling a bit grumpy today? Sis on the rag?

    by obijuanmartinez

    When it comes to bigotry, there is no such thing where religion and the delusion of "faith" is concerned - It's like taking me to task for making fun of Hercules or Isis. They're on the same footing of legitimacy as your christian god (which you cribbed from the Hebrews...) Failure? Not likely. I do more charitable work in a month than most persons of faith do all year (my family runs one of the largest non-profit charities in Philadelphia, the 5th largest city in the US). However, our help comes free of religious indoctrination, threat of molestation (thanks, Catholics!), and any related collateral that comes attached with religious charity I've read the christian bible, the koran, the torah, and many other articles of religious nonsense. I prefer the proven to the nonsensical. The christian bible is a plagiarism based on fiction. Your faith is a sham So go right ahead, 85: Pray in one hand. Shit in the other. See which happens. Jackass...

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Ill say it again

    by Extr3m1st

    The reason there is no fringe only talkback is most of you whores would rather discuss bill fucking maher or Rachel Maddow instead of the last season of Fringe..a Fringe only talkback would have about 15-30 replies tops..

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    I'm liking the season so far but...

    by theGoldbergV

    It does seem badly plotted. A LOT of stuff is happening to advance the plot at the expense of prevous season's logic. The Observers could previously travel through time, read thoughts, they were pretty much invincible. Now maybe that's changed now they're here to stay so to speak, but if so they should make it clear. Otherwise though the acting is pretty terrific and although the budget reduction is evident in terms of how contained the stories are, the effects are still great. Rebel scumb I can totally see your idea about erasing the Observers from history being the way they go. It would mean the characters making the ultimate sacrifice, giving up their whole existence to save the world, something foreshadowed a bit in the last ep. And next week SPOILER ALERT We get Broyles! More Lance Reddick in old man make up!

  • season 4 successfully wrapped up every mystery and story arc ( a few minor stragglers aside) the show had going. I'm in the minority that would have been completely fine, and maybe even preferred that if no answers or payoff had ever been given for the Observers. As I get older I realize I like a few things left mysterious and left to interpretation. I know that stuck in peoples craws with X-files and Lost, and which things they neglected to explain or did not explain with something satisfying can certainly be debated But as time goes on I realize with X-files I actually think if anything their error was in explaining too much. In any event, Fringe could end very nicely with just the season 4 finale, and even the future episode that sets up this season gives the audience enough of the basic pieces of what happened to imagine how all that plays out. SO from where I sit this season is a bonus, and thus I'm not going to worry if it isn't perfect, so long as it's enjoyable its just good to have a bit more time with these characters. But I don't see this final storyline as the climax of FRINGE, we've already had that. This is just basically like the scouring of the shire in LotR, or season 5 of Babylon 5, or the flashsideways stuff from LOST. It's a neat epilogue, but it neither makes nor breaks the series as a whole

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Fringe cellphones

    by oisin5199

    I thought about that cellphone thing, and this is a bit of a fanwank, but I'm going to assume that Olivia's daughter because of her Fringe access (and her access to the underground resistance) has some kind of secure network workaround that she let the others use. Though how the Observers can't figure out how to track it, I have no idea. I want to see more of Broyles and Nina. I also wish there was a way to bring back the Alternate universe, especially since Agent Lee is still there. I'm not a big fan of just erasing that whole story and all its characters. I have to say I don't like this time jump thing. Maybe they rushed it because they knew they'd be canceled, but I would have preferred to have at least seen more of a development with the Olivia and Peter as parents, while still working Fringe cases, then have the season finale be the Observer invasion. THEN they could have done a time jump. But there are too many aspects that they've rushed. I also hope that in the final episodes they revert back to 2012. I really don't want the rest of the show set in this dystopia.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Rebel scumb

    by theGoldbergV

    I don't mind the 'explaining nothing' problem as long as its satisfying. Sometimes it's better if something is explained, sometimes not. A good example is the line "you know it doesn't like that name" from the final scene in BSG. It doesn't explain anything, it just provides a cool twist and just a little more information. And it's all about context too. What 'God' was on BSG was never important to the story so it didn't matter that we never found out. The island on LOST however, we'll that's an entirely different story, for me anyway. But I won't goon about that cuz jay'll show up and have a go (again). On Fringe I do think the more we find out about the Observers the less interesting they become to a certain extent. And they are no doubt from the JJ Abrams 'let's make it weird and interesting, we'll worry about paying it off later' school of writing. But I have faith in theFringe writers because unlike LOST they have paid off mysteries in a satisfying way in the past. But yeah I don't think anyone wants a finale like the X Files where everyone sits down and explains the plot to each other. Although it was cool seeing the smoking man get a missile to the face

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST

    X-Files finale

    by Extr3m1st

    Was beyond bad...

  • their device helps them read minds (there was an episode last saeson where a guy finds Septembers device that helped him read minds.) and they can time travel and move faster, which I'm assuming is due to some sort of tech also. The way that I looks at it is they just heve tech thats beyond ours, they aren't all seeing and knowing.

  • ...u would be best served to sign up for the KKK or BPP, u piece of shit. apparently, bigotry and hatred is overlooked by ur family (i hope) concerning u. u ARE a sad fucking human being.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST

    goldberg....thanks ;)

    by jay2517

  • ...u would be best served to sign up for the KKK or BPP

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Hey Mcgotoo

    by Paul

    Did you hear the announcement about the Cartoon Network DC Saturday block?Its put on hiatus until January, kid of sucks.

  • *...threat of molestation (thanks, Catholics!)...* *...Oh, Farmer Fucknuts, feeling a bit grumpy today? Sis on the rag?* *...our help comes free of religious indoctrination...* *... and any related collateral that comes attached with religious charity...* NOPE! no bigotry here!! no siree!! and thats just from ONE post. ur a sad excuse of a person. sad.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST

    @jay: You're a gift that keeps giving...

    by obijuanmartinez

    The KKK? Unlikely I'd be welcome within their ranks, old son. In any case, I don't share their myopic world-view. As a shitkicking flat-earther, they seem somehow more suitable to YOUR demographic. Beyond this, the folks my family's charity helps are +80% African American (you hayseeds would probably choke on outrage if you ever saw the black Santa Claus who shows up at our annual Holiday Party every December @ Girard College) By BPP, I wasn't sure if you meant the Black Panthers or the British People's Party (though it seems unlikely as a flat-earther you'd be aware of much that happens outside your small corner of Dumbfuckistan, USA). In any case, if you mean the former, I am much too melanin-deflicted to be eligible amongst their ranks. In the case of the latter, again, they'd turn me away at the door, seeing as how +50% of my family (via marriage) are Jews, and the BPP are a famously anti-semitic group It's lovely to see more and more folks waking up with every new generation & realizing they don't need some farcical, grumpy grampa in the sky waggling a celestial finger of disapproval at them to lead lives of conscience and significance. Every parish and parochial school brings a bigger smile to my face: Smaller drain on taxpayers, fewer brainwashees walking about, and uncountable thousands of young male buttocks safe from priests-a-pillaging... Di te cūlus custodiant...

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST

    ^^^ Check that: It's every parish CLOSING ^^^

    by obijuanmartinez

    Thanks again, AICN, for providing the latest in cutting-edge, 90s web-experience!

  • i mean, really(!), read ur post and tell me HOW THE FUCK ur not a bigot! heres just ONE example... *As a shitkicking flat-earther...* man, u fucking progressives are the epitome of hatred. BTW- *sigh* i didnt say u SHOULD join the KKK or BPP, i said it would be BEST SERVED if u did. idiot bigots, like YOU, are....idiot bigots.

  • heres another example from ur previous post... *you hayseeds would probably choke on outrage if you ever saw the black Santa Claus...* ur a sad piece of shit.

  • sad, as usual.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST

    and the ability to type the word *you* continues to elude you, jerkoff

    by Uncle Pooky

  • its sad that u have to resort to being a grammar/spelling nazi because of ur lack of facts :(