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cuz of the debate i presume?
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Oct. 11, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST
Once again, BOR *obliterates* Maddow 2,335.78 to 3/5(x-4)^7
by Uncle Pooky
But no mention of that anywhere! WHEN WILL I... I MEAN IT... WHEN WILL IT MATTER?
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Oct. 11, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST
Go to FX and see the "replacement" cast for Sunny. Haley Joel Osment looks like he could easily play Mac's younger brother.
by openthepodbaydoorshal
Guess there'll be no guest supporting roles for Rhea Perlman, either. Flip
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Oct. 11, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST
Parks and Office to be sidelined by the comedy stylings of Biden and Ryan.
by openthepodbaydoorshal
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Ellie Kemper from Office (Erin), Aubrey Plaza from Parks, or Alison Brie (Annie) from Community (which I know isn't on Thursdays anymore, but still...). All three have the quirky, cute and sexy act down to perfection, and last week Plaza and Kemper were down right smoking hot. You could also throw Sweet Dee into the discussion, but I think she'd be a solid 4th for most of us. Now, Katrina Bowden (Cerie) from 30 Rock probably blows everyone else away, but she's so rarely on the show she doesn't count. All in all, a great night for comedy and fantasy.
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What say ye, talkback?
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but maybe april. id say erin is a def last of those three
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In that episode where she was "auditioning" for the newscaster spot, and she wore that low-cut red dress? Needed. More.
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Erins the hottest
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Once again, Transformers trilogy has made over a billion dollars ... meaning, quantity and quality are different. Who gives a fucking shit that BOR beats out Maddow's show? Just like I don't give a shit that Bay keeps making movies which turn a hefty profit ... because ultimately, it's a shitty product and I won't reduce myself to consuming it.
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Those boobs... Erin does have an amazing body though.
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Apparently my clearly made up numbers weren't enough to get my intent across... I was mocking a certain talkbacker who feels it is their duty to point out when O'Reilly gets better ratings than Maddow. OF COURSE no one gives a shit about it. That was my whole point.
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April wins because she's a total bitch, and as unfortunate as it is, that is a complete turn on.
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She's been a close third the past few years to Erin and Annie, but something about her this year has bumped her right up. Last week, when she was in that tool's face giving him a smack down, that was a damn sexy scene. Dude had to have been hard as fuck, especially after the peck on the nose.
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I got your comedy stylings, brother. I was still chuckling at it when I got to the fail later on. And where's my Person of Interest, and The Last Resort? I thought they were Thursday too? Damn Viceys. Do they even count for anything over there?
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Ryan could spend the whole debate fucking a horse and Fox would declare him the winner.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST
Aubrey Plaza is too weird goth teenager. Not really sexy to me. Ellie Kemper, her firecrotch and ample cleavage for me.
by kidicarus
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I'll have to check out Parks and Recreation.
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literally
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Barack Hussein spent most of his debate in a frigging coma and NOBODY declared him the winner.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST
totally agree about that april scene where she's bitching out that kid at the campaign place
by jsfithaca
so fucking hot. that scene alone is probably what bumped her up to above ellie kemper for me.
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First woman/animal hybrid president. First black president ain't got shit on that.
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Former adviser to former President Bill Clinton, author of the book 'My Life' (a book title with too many F's in it), said that Ryan would win. Yet I've grown accustomed to liberals having trouble navigating around those stubborn things called facts.
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just their guest. Like they would have anyone on who would say otherwise. And don't talk to me about facts in regards to these debates. Ryan will likely tell almost as many lies as Romney did.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 7:31 p.m. CST
spaking of ratings and of the dullard maddow...BOR ANNIHILATES , yet again, the dullard maddow.
by jay2517
BOR- 4.1 the dullard maddow- 1.4 poor hypocritical pooky must be in the fetal position sobbing :(
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Oct. 11, 2012, 7:36 p.m. CST
chestrockwell- stewart is a comedy show. apples and oranges. BOR gets killed by MNF, but it doesnt mean anything.
by jay2517
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If I'm going to blow someone, I'd still pick the dyke over the dude.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST
HAHAHAHAHA! poor! poor! poor! pooky! must i keep pointing out ur hypocrisy as i do Herc the fucking Hacks?? ok then...
by jay2517
*OF COURSE no one gives a shit about it. That was my whole point.*--- LOL!!!! thats why u KEEP posting about it, right? what a fucking hypocritical M-O-R-O-N u continue to be! BTW- *I was mocking a certain talkbacker who feels it is their duty to point out when O'Reilly gets better ratings than Maddow.*--- uhhh, *when*? the dullard has never came close to beating BOR in the ratings. *when* would be every night, hence my HtfH hypocrisy exposing posts :) STILL waiting for the ur twin (termy) to show up to complete The Stillborn Twins epic fail post duo. epic fail post twin powers...activate!
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*Who gives a fucking shit that BOR beats out Maddow's show?*--- Herc the fucking Hack does, obviously. why would he post trivial demo numbers on the rare occurrence that the dullard ties BOR?? BTW- i still see ur using that coward olbermanns (and ALL progressive) excuse of *a million flies love shit*. sad...
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Project much?
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and the media reports it as "Fox News says." Just like talkbackers. Nobody speaks for Fox News. They speak ON Fox News, but I'm not surprised people on the internet don't know the difference between "for" and "on."
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and by essence, I of course mean the fictional events that make up the core and foundation of what you call *reality*. Thank you, by the way, for eventually showing up, behaving exactly the way I predicted, and providing everyone with an example of what I was mocking. I think tomorrow I'm going to make fun of your... how shall I put this... very very poor understanding of what big words such as *hypocrisy* mean.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 8:29 p.m. CST
RIght now Biden has Ryan bent over the table and he's making him his bitch
by Bobo_Vision
He's ramming his sausage into Ryan's rectum and spraying his load all over his prostate.
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Ryan's going to be walking funny for a week.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 8:54 p.m. CST
Does anybody besides jay2517 think Rachel Maddow is a "dullard"?
by Hercules
Watch her show. She's not so slow! Note she does not preface her statements with "uhhhh ..." as jay2517 does. And her ratings are really on the rise, now routinely beating her Fox News rivals in the demo most important to ad buyers.
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Smart women know they need to be attractive to be taken seriously.
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Both are fighting hard, but Ryans winning.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 9:05 p.m. CST
Piers Morgan: Biden's smirking teeth are beginning to strobe through my TV screen. Disturbing
by Paul
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Oct. 11, 2012, 9:08 p.m. CST
Ryan is having to debate both Biden and the Moderator and is beating them.
by Paul
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judging from my facebook news feed (majority conservatives who hate Obama) it appears that they are conceding that Biden is winning this one, but they distinctly describe him as a bully. (shrugs) About time someone reached down deep into Paul Ryan.
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Please stop watching FNC. It's bad for your mental health. And your vouchers won't cover your resulting psychiatric help.
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...Bill O'Reilly is a BORE.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 9:19 p.m. CST
The abortion issue and religious freedom, Biden is now mopping the floor with Ryan, who wants to impose his religious views on an entire country
by Bobo_Vision
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But a big takeaway: If you're tired of legal abortion in the U.S., vote Romney/Ryan.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 9:31 p.m. CST
"I keep being told Biden's a genius. Are you kidding? The man is an intellectual chew toy." -Dennis Miller
by Paul
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Oct. 11, 2012, 9:33 p.m. CST
Are the shrills buying Biden public service bullshit???
by HollywoodHellraiser
Damn right they are because they're idiots! Sorry to say but Biden didn't win jack. Ryan easily held his own and didn't fall for Biden "good ole' grandpa" lines!
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Oct. 11, 2012, 9:33 p.m. CST
Dennis Miller is still alive? I thought an actual death followed his career death.
by Bobo_Vision
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Oct. 11, 2012, 9:35 p.m. CST
I'm voting for Romney, but Biden was much better tonight.
by Mr. Waturi
Biden came across as human and sincere, and made Ryan look like a politician. Don't know why Romney picked Ryan. I think Condoleeza Rice would have been a much better choice.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 9:40 p.m. CST
No gamechanger here, folks. Romney killing of Obama was absolute.
by HollywoodHellraiser
This was easily a tie. Ryan did good and Biden came off like a grandpa remembering the olden days.
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*Watch her show. She's not so slow!*--- no, she is. or does her arms flailing around while she distorts facts confuse u? *Note she does not preface her statements with "uhhhh ..." as jay2517 does.*--- u sure about that lol? *And her ratings are really on the rise, now routinely beating her Fox News rivals in the demo most important to ad buyers.*--- really? hmmm, lets look at the most recent *important demo*.... BOR- 812 Hannity- 838 the dullard- 420 (how ironic, given she must be high when she does her *research*) hmmm, the old *important demo* billshit excuse when u get ur ass handed to u on overall viewers. sad. u loose again, Herc the fucking Hack
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Oct. 11, 2012, 9:43 p.m. CST
oh yea, HtfH, keep lying about abortion u fucking partisan shill...i mean *registered republican*.
by jay2517
why must u lie?
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Creating a life only to destroy Saved from a life of the unemployed Where crime is the only way to survive Which is the best to be dead or alive? Maybe a chance but maybe not Born to be thrown in the trash to rot To exist in this world may be a mistake The one who is with child, it's their choice to make Death and life taken so easily Right or wrong, whose choice will it be? Abortion, when it is needed Execution, for those who deserve it The giving and taking of life will always be Altering the future Look into the future to prepare us for our fate Controlling our existence with every life we take Life for a life should remain the rule The innocent victim that is what's cruel Look to the past is what we should do When justice was done and justice was true Using our laws to help their escape An easy way out is what they create Claiming insane is the way to freedom People are stupid enough to believe them Death and life taken so easily Right or wrong, whose choice will it be? Abortion, when it is needed Execution, for those who deserve it The giving and taking of life will always be RIP Chuck Schuldiner
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Oct. 11, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST
id like to offer my condolences to the families of MSNBC's Chris Matthews, Rachael Maddow, Ed Shultz, Larry O'Donnel and lastly the racist Al Sharpton. the literal explosion of heads and resulting mass suicide was tragic to watch....
by jay2517
........................................................................................................................not.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 9:46 p.m. CST
Voting on debate performance? How about voting on proposed policies?
by MeshGearFoxx
If you believe in policies favoring corporations and the wealthy, vote for Romney. If you favor policies favoring the middle class, vote for Obama.
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...don't you just love it when a fucking partisan shill calls you a "fucking partisan shill"? Yeah, it makes me laugh, too.
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**OF COURSE no one gives a shit about it. That was my whole point.*--- YET. YOU.CONTINUE. TO. POST. ABOUT. IT. in my best Sam Jackson impression....*Hypocrisy, MOTHERFUCKER! DO U UNDERSTAND IT????* what a stupid person u are.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 9:51 p.m. CST
As expected, Dick *The Pervert* Morris was wrong in his prediction.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Just like he has been wrong in everything else over the past several years.
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I'm not sure what debate some of you were watching.
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I look at the girl with the cable show that beats everything on CNN and almost everything on Fox News. Then I look at the guy in the AICN talkback who doesn't seem to know how to read.
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ON CAMERA!
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Who Won Debate? 50% Biden 31% Ryan 19% Tied
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he will be called mean or "over the line" or some shit by fox news tomorrow for basically poking Ryan with a stick to hear him squeal out no answers.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 10:17 p.m. CST
The big mistake conservatives made was starting the meme that Biden is a moron. Because that moron just destroyed Paul Ryan. Ouch.
by American Mythos
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Ryan 48% Biden 44%
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Oct. 11, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST
hmmm. i wonderi f what joe biden did to paul ryan tonight would be considered a legitimate rape by todd akin?
by Jared Parker
BAZINGA!!!
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it wasn't a total destruction like Romney gave to Obama...plus this was Ryan's first national debate and he did well all things considered...Biden was a little annoying with all his laughing and smirks
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Oct. 11, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST
Rachel Maddow = Rhodes Scholar & Oxford PhD. Billo = Not so much
by obijuanmartinez
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Oct. 11, 2012, 10:38 p.m. CST
Bill O' Reilly: Author of the 1998 masterwork "Those Who Trespass", including brilliant dialogue like "Say baby, put down that pipe and get my pipe up"
by obijuanmartinez
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Biden looked like an angry old man
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just admit your boy got served tonight
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Oct. 11, 2012, 10:42 p.m. CST
Lest we forget: O'Reilly = The Mayor of Bullshit Mountain (video)
by obijuanmartinez
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/scarce/jon-stewart-addresses-mayor-bullsht-mountai
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Oct. 11, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST
and rachel maddow IS a smart intelligent free thinking young woman
by Jared Parker
i love her views and take on social issues
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But I was more impressed by that short SKYFALL preview, followed just now by the ad for Denzel's FLIGHT. Who won that competition? Washington or the Brit?
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...is viewing reality through a partisan lens. Neither won hands-down. Ryan's respectful demeanor was offset by his policy wonk answers, and Biden's more passionate answers were offset by his annoying smirk. Result: tie.
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Fucked. The fact people are on here cheering on Ryan is disgusting. The man said nothing... Gave no facts... Gave no plans. He admitted he wanted a theocratic government. Basically allowing a Catholic decision to dictate government policy. Basically the Nazi party or the Taliban. Great. Biden is in office and is a goof and that is beyond sad. I am disgusted by people's reaction to these debates more than the debates themselves. The fact that there are guys one here saying such nasty shit about Maddow or whoever just because they express their views. Seriously? All I know is if Romney/Ryan wins I'm out. I have enough money to move and live comfortably in London and will do so. Can't stand politicians who want to tell people what to do because of their religious beliefs. Disgusting.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 11:10 p.m. CST
myphdisdoom, do you promise you'll leave? You're not just making an Alec Baldwin empty promise, are you?
by Coughlins Laws
I'll be really sad to see you go!!!
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Oct. 11, 2012, 11:13 p.m. CST
If Obama gets re-elected myphdisdoom, you're gonna have to move out anyway
by Kyle DeMattio
You'll end up living in a homemade shack or a cardboard box. This country is awfully close to going bankrupt. 16 Trillion dollars in debt! I know you hate hearing this, so do I. But let's face facts, we're are so close to being permanently screwed.
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There's a helluva big difference between allowing your belief that life begins at conception to shape your policy stance and a theocratic state. It's like one person said--my religious belief tells me stealing and murder are wrong, does that mean I'm "imposing my religion" when I support laws against them? Hardly. "Basically the Nazi party or the Taliban." You, my friend, are what's wrong with the country today. Go ahead to London. I lived in the UK for nearly 6 years, and their socialized health care system nearly killed me. Thank God (oops, did I just say a bad word?) I moved back to the States and they corrected the problem. Actually, it's funny that you would want to live in the UK, which has a state church, unlike here. I would love to see your face every time the Archbishop of Canterbury shows up in public discourse. Every time the queen is referred to as the "defender of the faith," I'd love to watch as the bile rises up in your throat. If you really think Romney/Ryan want a theocratic state, I pity you.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 11:15 p.m. CST
Biden really did come across like an asshole. He interrupted Ryan 82 times in 90 minutes. What a douchebag.
by Coughlins Laws
Anyway, I would have to say that this was a Ryan win, but not by as much as Romney won. Half the insta-polls had Biden winning, half had Ryan winning. But Biden really had to have won big to make a difference. He didn't make a difference. No one is going to change their mind based on what happened tonight.
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I have to agree. This ended up pretty evenhanded. All the news outlets are going to skew it their way, but both men had serious problems with their statements, and Biden came off like a bit of an elitist asshole, while Ryan obviously did not want to go into to some things. Overall this debate helps neither Candidate truly.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 11:21 p.m. CST
I really think Biden embarrassed himself. How can you be smiling and laughing while the subject was terrorism?
by Coughlins Laws
82 times he interrupted Ryan! He was very un-Vice Presidential...
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....someone who consistently lies by omission and distorts facts. u cant be intelligent to think u can get away with that shit. hence, the dullard maddow. *I look at the girl with the cable show that beats everything on CNN and almost everything on Fox News.*--- and this has WHAT to do with maddows (non) intelligence?? oh yea.... *beats CNN*--- when ur in LAST place, EVERYONE beats u, u freaking moron! no wonder ur a dullard maddow fan, lack of fact comprehension! *almost everything on Fox*--- except, oh, her fucking direct COMPETITION! i can see an ad exec now trying to sell the dullard maddows horrible ratings....*but! she beats everybody BEFORE 5pm!!!!* what a fucking LAME and TYPICAL progressive excuse!! BTW- BOR/Hannity beat EVERYTHING on MSNBC....so, by ur idiot logic that makes them BETTER and SMARTER than the dullard maddow. what fucking tripe! .....and I dont know how to read LOL???
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Oct. 11, 2012, 11:25 p.m. CST
*Rachel Maddow = Rhodes Scholar & Oxford PhD.* LOL......SO?
by jay2517
u know the difference between a rhodes scholar and a electrician? the electrician knows how to change a light bulb. LOL!!!! rhodes scholar!!!
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no wonder ur a fan :(
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Oct. 11, 2012, 11:28 p.m. CST
Coughlins Laws, the Vice-President is the President's hatchet man.
by vic twenty
Squashing the weak is what they should do, regardless of your political affiliation.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 11:28 p.m. CST
For all those quoting the CNN poll, let's all remember that this is the same 'News' organization that was first to report the Healthcare Mandate being overturned in the Supreme Court.
by Bricklyne
The Dewey defeats Truman of our time. If it's possible fore any News organization to have less credibility than Fox News while being a bigger joke, then it's none other than that atrocity called CNN also known as Fox Lite.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 11:29 p.m. CST
Not to mention, that was 2 against 1, tonight. Ryan had to debate Biden AND the moderator, a friend of Obama's. Everybody knows Obama went to her wedding, right?
by Coughlins Laws
Plus, Biden wasn't truthful about what happened in Benghazi. What a disaster he is...
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Let's shoot for say, 33% this time! Aim high!!
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Oct. 11, 2012, 11:31 p.m. CST
Also, it's hilarious watching Republicans whining about Joe Biden's 'smirk'......
by Bricklyne
....because it anyone knows anything about smirking, it's the party that has the smirking-while-he's-walking-away-from-the-Podium douchenozzle known as Romney, as their candidate. Biden can only wish he could smirk half as well as the Mittster.
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that's really strange. someone should notify Webster's about that.
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The smerk was caused by the jerk. You try it and see if you don't smile. It makes one happy, so I';m led to believe.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 11:37 p.m. CST
mahgra_kae, oh my God! You mean they were wrong for 3 minutes and then got it right? Tell me, how important was it for people who weren't paying attention to the decision live?
by Coughlins Laws
If you got the news later that night, there would have been no difference. Not to mention that anyone who will totally dismiss anyone or anything over one mistake is an idiot...
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Oct. 11, 2012, 11:40 p.m. CST
It was a Mistake for the moderator to release Vitamin J under the table the way she did.
by vic twenty
Jerk happy fool. I said it. And my record clearly shows where I stand on this critical issue.
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Was that one of those unscientific polls (usually the case when they are run this immediately after an event like this) from a news station that spiked the Lewinsky story initially to defend Clinton? We already have a HUGE amount of lies from the Left on here about Romney (specifically with regards to abortion). Keep in mind most of the "fact checking" against Romney and Ryan is consistently pandering in half truths, mistaking opinion for fact and really ONLY makes ANY logical sense when you insert conveniently partisan assumptions into the "logic" behind this things. More often then not, they are refuting a characiture of what Romney or Ryan actually. Not that a viewpoint that long ago rejected any notion of objective truth in favor of postmodernism has any intellectual credibility to begin with.
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You say I do this...but, well, well...you do it too! So there!
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...on condescension, smugness, argument avoidance (usually in favor of excuse making) and essentially trying to stifle opposing views through bullying, it is a sign of a lack of depth/substance in your argument. Unfortunately that is all the Left has as demonstrated by it's ignorant supporters (re: useful idiots) here. Clint Eastwood was right; Joe Biden is the intellect of the Democrat party. This only shows that party is intellectually and morally bankrupt.
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There are two sides to the issue, you know. In this case, it all depends on your definition of abortion. Do you think that an abortion merely removes a bit of unwanted flesh, a bothersome tumor, an unlooked-for parasite? Or it is killing an infant? YOU DECIDE.
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Giggling, smirking, gesturing...hoo boy. Embarrassing. Whereas Mr. Ryan came off like an non-psychotic Sideshow Bob. But ask yourself this: a VP = a heartbeat away...who would you rather be President should a national tragedy occur? Frankly, Ryan came off as more intelligent, more serious and more focused. Ryan for the win.
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On full display from both sides tonight, yes? Except for the moderator who was jerking the skin off Joe Biden's tallywhacker the balance of the evening.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 11:57 p.m. CST
Ha ha. Libs sooo want this to be a win. But it's not. CNN says Ryan won.
by ZombieHunter
And CNN is the go to news source of the undecided voter. The good news for liberals is it wasn't the smoking train wreck of incompetence Obama showed himself to be. But then, the bad news is there will be no TelePrompTer at the next presidential debate.
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Oct. 11, 2012, 11:57 p.m. CST
Biden's teeth disturb me. Ryan looks like a smurf. The choice is clear.
by vic twenty
The choice is NOW.
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...the fact that u STILL cant comprehend it is staggering.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST
mrsalamander, that's rich. You're crying that CNN oversampled Republicans? Really? Where were you with all the state polls last week that had +9% Democrats?
by Coughlins Laws
What a funny argument
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Oct. 12, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST
He said he didn't vote for the 2 wars. Uh, actually, her voted for both of them...
by Coughlins Laws
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If you think otherwise, than you are partisan beyond the ability to think logically. Paul Ryan stated no facts. When he tried to state facts, all he ended up spouting was complete nonsense. And yes, he did in fact advocate a theocracy. No, he didn't use the word, but when a guy states that he sees no reason to separate one's political views from their personal religious views...well..that's some pretty frightening stuff. For the individual person, Joe Everyman, of course it doesn't quite make sense for their personal religious and political views to be separate. But for a politician, one who is trying to be the representative of an entire nation of people, you're personal religious views do not matter. At all. When you start using your personal religious views to inform decisions that affect an entire nation of people, then you instantly have no credibility as a public servant. It's funny, and sad, that Mr. Ryan attempted to compare himself to President Kennedy after being asked about his Catholicism. Jack Kennedy fought hard to prove to the nation that his religious views did not, and would not, inform his political decision making, that he wouldn't be a puppet of the pope if elected. And now here on the complete filp-side we have Mr. Ryan, stating that his political decision making is *inherently* informed by his personal religious views. There is indeed a reason for the separation of church and state. Any government that doesn't separate these two doctrines are placing themselves on a road towards becoming something akin to the Taliban. As for abortion...Not gonna touch that one. All I'll say is this: As a U.S. Government teacher, it saddens me that modern Republicans seem to have lost track of the fact that they are supposed to be the party making sure that the Government never, ever, steps into someone's personal life and tells them what they can and can't do.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 12:15 a.m. CST
Poor Repubs. I think they just witnessed their momentum from a week ago evaporating...
by Bricklyne
....and with it, any remote chance they had at making this election marginally close. Obama knows what Mitt's game is now, so chances are Governor Etch-a-Sketch is not going to get him off-guard like that again. So all that's left for Republicans is to hope for the Economy to take a steep precipitous dive in the next couple of weeks before voting day. Oh look, Gallup says that their internal survey shows Unemployment has dropped to 7.3% over the past week (they had it at 7.9% a day before the official BLS figures were released have have consistently been estimating slightly higher than the official figure.) since the official figures were released. In addition to the drop in claims for Unemployment benefits, .......not looking good for the root-against-America Republicans.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 12:16 a.m. CST
CBS is the only poll that had Biden winning. CNN, CNBC, and the AP had Ryan winning 56%-36%, 48%-44%, and 51%-43%, respectively...
by Coughlins Laws
But hey, you don't have to pay attention to the facts. Believe whatever BS you want...
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It must be some sort of universal law that, on the post where I decide to mention that I'm a teacher, I just *have* to make a glaring grammatical error.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 12:16 a.m. CST
Sorry buddy. Ryan won. I know you really need to drink that kool-aid
by ZombieHunter
And convince yourself with any fairy tale to make the scary reality go away, but Rayn won. Also, the incumbent VP has always won the debate. By the way, where is this evidence that CNN over sampled Republicans. Especially since all polls admittedly over sample Democrat.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 12:19 a.m. CST
magra_kae, you don't live in the same reality the rest of us do. You really can't tell that Obama is toast, can you?
by Coughlins Laws
There is ZERO consensus that Biden won. You're living in Fantasy Land. Presidential races aren't decided by VP Debates, anyway. Ask Vice President Bentsen, oh wait, he never became Vice President...
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Oct. 12, 2012, 12:23 a.m. CST
Your Vice President got on TV and lied. He said he didn't vote for Iraq and Afghan Wars. This is 1000% False. He LIED!!! Not a difference of opinion, a LIE!!!
by Coughlins Laws
This wasn't a difference of opinion of a policy position. He told something that was completley and utterly false...
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The sample of debate-watchers in this poll were 31% Democratic and 33% Republican. That indicates that the sample of debate watchers is about eight points more Republican than an average CNN poll of all Americans, so the respondents were more Republican than the general public.
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I know you guys hate Obama for some reason..(even though the country went to shit before he was elected). But do you have anything positive to say about Romney?
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Man, you couldn't miss the point any more if you tried. This isn't simply a case of "my religion tells me this, therefore I think everyone else should believe it, too OR ELSE." That's what you're describing. That's the Taliban/Nazi comparison, which is so patently ridiculous I can't even believe we have to broach the subject. This is a case where a person's religious convictions tell them that from the moment of conception, a human life is created. Then they are asked to form public policy that decides whether or not it's legal to terminate a pregnancy. Are you telling me the person should simply put away their belief and say, "It's not my place to make that decision?" We're talking about the most precious thing on earth--life. You know...THE THING MENTIONED FIRST IN THE LIST OF STUFF AMERICA STANDS FOR. Remember? The Declaration of Independence? "Life , Liberty" and all that jazz? Our country was founded on the principle that life is an "inalienable right," and if my religious convictions tell me that something is life, I'm going to fight for that. Not because I want to force others to believe as I do, but because to do anything else would be going against what I consider to be fundamental to the makeup of the United States. You make it sound like the church handing down public policy. Go ahead, believe that. It allows you to maintain the facade of religious fascism that fuels your hatred. If you can't grasp that a person can vote from a place of faith without being a theocrat, then I enjoin you to have fun in your little fantasy world. And God bless.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 12:28 a.m. CST
Totally off subject, but I thought that this was interesting: "New" Tolkien Epic Hitting the Shelves
by Paul
Looks like Christopher Tolkien is releasing a poem of JRR Tolkiens about King Arthurs final days http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/10/12/new-tolkien-epic-hitting-the-shelves
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A quote for you: "There is very little evidence that vice presidential debates do much at all to alter the political landscape."--Thomas Holbrook, Civics Professor and author of "Do Campaigns Matter?" following extensive analysis of vice-presidential debates in the 1980s and 1990s.
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If a significant portion of the country does not share that belief then yes he should put it aside and leave it up to the individual to choose.
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You talk as though "putting it aside" is as easy as changing your hairstyle. Again...we're talking about the conviction that something is alive. If you believe that you could never put it aside. That's the point I'm trying to make. And we live in a country that defends a person's right to believe that way and vote according to that belief. But mention that simple fact about America and people cry "Taliban!" and "Theocracy!" as if they know what those words really mean. Go live in Afghanistan for a few years and then come back and tell me if a politician voting his conscience informed by his faith is theocratic fascism. Really, people. You need to watch ST:TNG's "Quality of Life." Or better yet...watch "Short Circuit." If you believe something is alive, and you believe life is the most precious gift we're given, nothing will stand in your way of defending that life. And that's as American as believing the opposite.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 12:46 a.m. CST
Where does it say on their website?? Link? Plus, that's not going to skew the sample.
by ZombieHunter
How do you get to eight points? Also, there's plenty to say about Romny. He has successful business and executive experience. Something Obama does not have. You can complain about Bain all you want, but those companies had decleared bankruptsy and he was able to turn those companies around. He was a successful govornor of a state that tilts democratic, with a history of bipartanship. Obama was merely a junior senator who has never written any piece of legislation, and spent more time campaigning then he did as a senator. Obama was the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review, and yet never once wrote anything. His biggest accomplishments are writing two books. Both about himself. And where Obama blew the Olympic bid believing his mere presents would be enough to land it in his lap, Romny is widely credited for the success of the 2002 Olympics.
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Sorry, but you don't win a debate by mainlining meth just before you go on and as a result constantly interrupting and not allowing your opponent to talk and filibustering your way through while rolling through every exasperated look imaginable. Maybe people just don't understand how a debate is won? A debate is an exchange of ideas along with arguments and rebuttals, but interrupting any time someone goes to talk is not 'winning'. They really should have random drug testing just before these things. I mean, Biden needed to do what he did to Palin in '08.. and instead he just bounced off the walls for an hour and a half.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 12:54 a.m. CST
If Ryan shared your thoughts he wouldn't take healthcare away from poor children.
by Paul
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Oct. 12, 2012, 12:55 a.m. CST
Nevermind. I found it. Largest group in sample were independents at 34%.
by ZombieHunter
A difference of 33% Republican and 31% Democrat is nothing. It says there are more Republican, than the average recent polls. In other words, they tend to under sample Republicans. Which pollsters admit to.
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It was hilarious.
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http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/pollingcenter/polls/3262 The text I pasted was taken directly from the website.
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I would make a comment about the inanity of that reply, but I forget...I'm in an AICN talkback. I will say that your comment typifies what's wrong with political discourse in our country today. Romney and Ryan actually believe that their program will help more families and make healthcare more accessible for folks. If you actually believe they want to "take healthcare away from poor children," then you're beyond help. The true nature of the debate is which policy would help more people have access to healthcare--the Democrats believe one way, Republicans believe the other. But we, especially on the Internet, can't express the divide that way. We have to say that Democrats "want to bankrupt the country" and Republicans "want children to go without healthcare." Neither is true, but again, choosing to believe gives us an excuse for hating and feeling superior. Let Obama explain his programs and policies, and if you believe they are better for the country, vote for him. If you think Romney's programs and policies are better, vote for him. But never doubt for a moment that both men (all four, actually) are running from a conviction that what they're offering will help people. You may think them wrong, you may think them deluded, but don't accuse them not caring. That accusation speaks more about you than them.
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Here are a few.. - He changes his mind a lot. It seems like he's just saying what he thinks people want to hear - He wants to give more tax breaks to the wealthy while increasing taxes on everyone else. The tax rate is already the lowest since the depression and the income gap is the highest it's been since the depression. - He doesn't have good people skills and insults people without knowing it. - He won't release his tax returns. He obviously has something to hide because he's hiding it. - He hides his money in the Caymans. Not very patriotic of him. - I don't think he really understands or cares how everyday Americans live.
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" Romney and Ryan actually believe that their program will help more families and make healthcare more accessible for folks" Explain how their program will do this. They haven't.
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at the Olympics?
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to pro-life people, abortion is murder. everyone knows murder should be illegal. im pro-choice, but pro-life stances aren't people trying to force religious views on people, its just that their trying to protect "babies." when paul ryan says that religion informs his politics, i think thats okay as long as he has other reasons for his policies besides that it says so in the bible. however i do think there is a wing of the republican party that is trying to make this a christian state. you have people like rick santorum saying the seperation of church and state was never meant to be absolute, you have ann coulter, who isn't a big fan of the 1st ammendment speaking at cpac conventions and it really makes me worry about the republican party. if theres one issue however, that repubs are being theocratic with its gay marriage. their opposition to it is clearly religion based, and their reasons for opposing it that are non-religious are complete bullshit and they know it. when repubs claim they don't support a christian state, the gay marriage thing really puts a dent in that claim (and fucks like rick santorum do as well).
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He puts his money in the Caymans, just like Bono and U2 does. It's called being a smart business man. He also gave HUGE amounts of his own money to charity. As for changing his mind, Obama was going to close Guantonimo within a year. Put an end to military tribunals and be transparent. He gives less interviews than all previous presidents, and has played golf more times in four years than Bush did in eight. As for people skills, after learning about the murder of the ambassador, he flew to Vages for a fund raiser.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 1:34 a.m. CST
Yeah I read the link, you just misunderstood the information.
by ZombieHunter
31% vs 33% are such small differences they fall with the margin of error. And 33% Republicans is higher than what they have samples in the past. Look at all polls and you'll see they over sample democrats by about 10%.
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These are all poor examples in my opinion. 1. So tax evasion is being a good business man? He rips the debt but avoids paying taxes. 2. His "donations" were to the mormon church and often a way of offloading bad investments to get a tax break. 3. That is a good example of one thing Obama hasn't done that he said he would do; but I'm talking about almost everything that comes out of Romney's mouth. 4. Bush took months off at a time.. So Obama plays golf..Bush went to a ranch for months. 5. What should Obama have done differently?
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I'm defending their right to form opinions based on their faith without it becoming theocratic. I'm defending their right to believe their programs are best for America without people ascribing motives that are patently ridiculous. And I'm bemoaning the fact that Americans can't have political discourse without terms like "Taliban" and "Nazi" being thrown about. And I defend your right to believe what you've stated about Romney. Although some of them are easily disproven--for example, he has proposed an across-the-board tax cut, not decreasing taxes on the rich and increasing them on everyone else. You may believe his policies won't work, but that's what he's advocating. He has released his tax information: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/21/romney-drops-his-tax-returns.html As the article says, you can disagree with the policies at the IRS that result in his taxes, but he actually paid more than he had to. And show me someone who has never accidentally insulted someone, and I'll show you a saint. Then again, I don't believe anyone is a saint. Romney doesn't have good people skills in a large crowd, but one-to-one he is very authentic and heartfelt. Look, I'm not saying he's a saint. As I said, I don't think anyone is. But the image of him portrayed in the media is not accurate. Neither is the one of Obama. Again, read his policies. If you agree with them, vote for him. If you don't, then don't. It's that simple.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 1:40 a.m. CST
he didn;t release his returns...he just gave a BS summary of them
by Paul
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Good point. Which is why I think the GOP should drop the gay marriage plank from their platform. But they can't do that without losing the Christian right. I'm not denying that there are theocrats in the GOP---there are. I think they are more in the grassroots than in D.C. itself, and the party appeases them to keep their vote, but when push comes to shove you don't find them in the corridors of power. And the suggestion that Romney and Ryan are theocratic just pisses me off. I'm actually surprised the evangelicals are behind them as much as they are.
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I wish I had your near-psychic insight into what goes on in Mitt Romney's head. I lost a set of keys a few weeks ago...do you know where they are?
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I'm Mormon and I can tell you that a huge percentage of that goes toward feeding the poor, helping people get back on their feet, global disaster relief and other charatible effort. I know a retired couplein the church that are currently in Africa who are building water wells, I know another guy that everytime a hurricane happens in New Orleans the church sends him over to direct the churches efforts to provide relief. So theres no real difference between Romney donating to the Mormon church or any other charitable organization.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 1:51 a.m. CST
Of course Republicans are being theocratic about abortion.
by LouisCedar
Their only basis that abortion is, in fact "baby murder," is the belief that life begins at conception. This belief comes directly from the bible, and is based entirely on spiritual principles. There are other religions that expressly state that life does *not* begin at conception, but begins at birth. Therefore, making abortion illegal on the basis that it is murder is an inherently religious decision, as other religions (as well as any scientist worth is salt) do not believe that a freshly conceived organism is alive in any traditional sense of the word, and thus can not actually *be* murdered. No one is talking about forced abortion. No one is forcing a pro-lifer to get an abortion. All pro-choicers sare saying is that a woman should have the right to make decisions about her body, instead of having her basic human rights stripped away from her, and allowing the federal government to make decisions about what she can and can't do with her own body.
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I lean more democrat these days, but Ryan did good, especially considering the fact that he doesn't have as much experience with this kind of one on one debate. I just don't agree with the policies of Romney/Ryan. I don't like Mitt Romney much at all to be honest. I actually feel that Paul Ryan comes off more professional and presidential than Romney does. Mitt might have been more dominant in the last debate, but maybe too much so. He came off more like a bossy CEO than presidential. Obama did seem a bit asleep at times though. Saturday Night Live nailed that debate in their spoof.
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For the record: I think that the abortion question in the debate was pointless. We all knew where the candidates stood on this issue. It's not something that anyone is ever going to change their mind about based on what a politician is telling them.
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Church donations are exactly the same as any other charity.......that's cute.
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Actually, since the only charitable organization he's ever given his money to is his church, then it's a pretty huge difference. It gives the sense that he has no desire to help anyone outside of who his church dictates is worthy of help.
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Why in the blue hell are some of you saying that the Vice President was avoiding arguments? He directly called out the things he was saying, while speaking directly to him, asking him to clarify, asking him to prove his points, asking him to prove himself right. See kids, that's actually called being "argumentative." Avoiding argument is when one refusing to be specific about anything, repeating the same tired talking points over and over again, and having no actual facts to back up ones claims. It's one thing to say that Joe Biden was being a bully, or smug...but to say that he was avoiding argument doesn't actually make logical sense. I know that the laws of reality work differently in the bubble that Fox News has created for some of you, but apparently it's much worse than I previously thought.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 2:53 a.m. CST
Mr salamander, now you're full of crap. Why say that when I can look it up?
by ZombieHunter
He released his tax returns. Twenty years worth. In detail. It was all over the news. And putting his money in the Caymen islands is not tax evasion. It's a legal tax option. And he only got a tax deduction for less than half of what he donated. And donated more to other charities than he did to his church. And Bush never went to a ranch for months at a time. What should Obama done differently? How about not putting through a trillion dollar stimulas that not only did nothing, but was written only by democrats. Any objection from Republicans was met with "I won." Which put an end to any bipartisanship he claimed. How about not putting through Obamacare that no one wanted? Or at least putting to a vote? Or at least put it through when the economy was more stable. Not in the middle of a recession. How about passing a budget? Something he has never done. How about getting rid of the class warfare talk that has divided the nation? Those are a few to start with.
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That is a lie.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 4:36 a.m. CST
Wow, Zombiehunter, even Coughlins and Jay have limits on the bullshit they'll spew in one post. You set some kind of record there. Allow me to correct a few things...
by American Mythos
As for Bush's vacations, here's an excerpt: "George W.Bush’s August 2005 vacation which was scheduled for five weeks, but was cut short by two days due to Hurricane Katrina, was at the time the longest presidential vacation in 36 years. As the Washington Post wrote, “The president departed Tuesday for his longest stretch yet away from the White House, arriving at his Crawford ranch in the evening to clear brush, visit with family and friends, and tend to some outside-the-Beltway politics. By historical standards, it is the longest presidential retreat in at least 36 years.” Bush’s advisers had grown sensitive to the charges that the president was on vacation too much so they sprinkled some day events into his vacation calendar. In August 2002, Bush took a 25 day vacation away from the White House that was once again sprinkled with day trips to make it look like the president was still working, but after these little trips, he always returned to Crawford not D.C. At the time The LA Times wrote, “Administration officials clearly are sensitive to any criticism that Bush’s 25-day break at his ranch near Crawford, Texas, is too long, given the economy and the threat of terrorism.” Bush also went on vacation for a month in August of 2003. The most infamous of all Bush vacations was the 27 day break he took in August of 2001, one month before the 9/11 attacks. In August 2001, the AP wrote, “President Bush seems to bolt from the White House every chance he gets. He begins a month-long vacation on his Texas ranch today, and by the time he returns he will have spent nearly two months of his presidency there. And that doesn’t include the many weekends he’s spent at Camp David, the presidential retreat in Maryland’s Catoctin Mountains.” (source: http://www.politicususa.com/obama-bush-christmas-vacation.html) About that stimulus you claim did nothing: in my town alone, infratructure projects created by the stimulus have been ongoing since spring, and are projected to last until November or December. After it passed, I saw Republican governors all over the nation going around posing in front of giant novelty checks for stimulus-funded projects in their states. My own Republican congressman, who voted against the bill, gleefully lobbied for money for my state from the stimulus. As Biden pointed out tonight, Paul Ryan came to him, hat in hand, twice requesting stimulus funds that he said would create jobs in his district. And the CBO, an entity often cited by Democrats and Republicans, including by Paul Ryan in the VP debate, estimated that the bill created 3.3 million jobs. How's that for "did nothing"? And about the health care bill "no one wanted": You suggested it wasn't put to a vote. You are aware of how a bill is made into law aren't you? I suggest you watch the very informational School House Rock video on this very subject. It might teach you a thing or two before you make blatantly idiotic statements about legislation not getting voted on before becoming law. And the most laughable line of bullshit you touted: Romney released 20 years of taxes. Hahaha! You're living in a dreamworld son. Romney released his returns for 2010 and 2011, and released an accountants' summary of earlier tax returns, but has never actually released more than those two years. You need to wake up buddy. Your ignorance is glaring.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 5:31 a.m. CST
Rhodes Scholar & Oxford PhD.* LOL......SO? - Thanks, 85, for so ably illustrating Dumbfuckistan, USA...
by obijuanmartinez
...where one of the ultimate academic benchmarks attainable for college students in this country is laughed off. Clearly, her time would've been better spent learning about Noah & the Flood...
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Joseph Smith = The L. Ron Hubbard of his (or anyone's) day Posthumous baptism of Holocaust survivors to swell your ranks = Completely BENT Charity at the loaded barrel of "faith" = Brainwashing http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2011/10/is_mormonism_a_cult_who_cares_it_s_their_weird_and_sinister_beli.html
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FYI - NO ONE is "pro-abortion". They are pro-choice. There is a world of difference. And I would happily trade my position of choice if you pro-lifers will sign up for a national registry requiring you to put your money where your big mouths are: The hypocrites chanting for the ever-loving, sacred fetus would shut up in a BIG hurry if they knew their number could be called to raise an unwanted (unaborted) child. Imagine your unbridled zeal when 8-week premature, addicted baby "X" shows up at your doorstep. Not. Words are wind, and you phonies are the worst of the lot...
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Let me put it this way... Suppose you had a child. Suppose your child was convicted of murder and sentenced to death. Suppose you believed with all of your heart that your child was innocent--and not just because of a naive parental "My child could never do something like that" belief, but because of a deeper belief based in something you know deep in your heart but cannot prove. According to the logic of many in this talkback, you would be imposing your beliefs unfairly if you fought for your child's innocence. Many here would have you say, "You know what? The majority of people on the jury believe he/she is guilty, so I should be OK with that." That's the level of passion and belief conservatives bring to the abortion argument. It's NOT theocratic to fight for what you believe to be the right of an individual to enjoy life. If my faith tells me that a fetus is a person, then the driving issue here for me is murder and my desire to prevent it, not faith and my desire to impose it. The issue at stake here is personhood, and while the belief in personhood can be informed by religious faith, defending it is not the same as theocracy. Theocracy is the church making the decisions for public policy, but this is something far deeper and more personal. You are not imposing your religious faith on the masses, you are defending a person's right to live. Suppose my faith informs me that to involve a child in a sexual relationship is wrong, but someone else is part of a faith that believes 10-year olds should get married to 20-year olds. Am I imposing my faith if I pass legislation making such relationships illegal? You may say, "Well that's just common sense." But so is preventing murder, which is what pro-life people believe they are doing. Again, if you think being pro-life is being pro-theocracy, I feel sorry for you. You are so blinded by fear that you cannot see the real issues at play here.
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More straw-man arguments, please.
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along with rights for disabled people. which I am involved in. Marie Stopes clinic claims to have gotten all the clearance it needs to open and run a clinic in belfast. that was 2 days ago. so the conservative forces in Norn Ireland will shut that clinic down. Irish Women still get the boat to england to have abortions. this is the year 2012. one of the most shocking stories that I heard was a woman who had something wrong with her kid and she was told that basically her unborn kid was going to die. dr was very matter a fact about that. and that was the end of the conversation.
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However, Herc posts the lone outlier. Because that's what partisan hacks like to do. I will say this... Biden did better than Obama. You can tell by the radio silence from people like Herc after last week's debate.
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Kill those little fuckers before they become big fuckers.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 7:34 a.m. CST
Biden also lied about nobody in Libya asking for more security. This is a lie. I can't believe he said that. There has been all sorts of testimony that more security WAS asked for.
by Coughlins Laws
It wasn't a dispute over policy or different numbers projections. He lied. He said something that is 100% NOT TRUE. The mother of one of the slain bodyguards has said that Leon Panetta and Susan Rice LIED TO HER FACE about what happened. It had nothing to do with the youtube video. The administration is lying about what happened in Libya. It's sickening...
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Tell them you want science to prove homosexuality is genetic. When they thank you for your courage in supporting gay rights you say no, I want parents to have the right to abort gay babies. They will go into a Nomad-like short circuit. In all seriousness, there are some issues in the support of abortion and what we know about genetics and the conception of life. Call it what you like, but abortion is snuffing out the life of a unique individual.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 8:12 a.m. CST
As long as I get to abort every white child, I'm okay with you getting to abort whoever you want.
by Metroid_Fetish
Just be sure to practice on stray animals first.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST
captain kurt i think most liberals would be fine with you having the right to abort a gay baby
by jsfithaca
not sure if we have the technology to tell if a baby is gay when its still in the womb, but still. and yes liberals would probably get mad and call you an asshole, cuz if your aborting a baby solely because their gay, you are an asshole, but we'd still believe you should have the right to do so.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST
@covjack, I admire your ability to calmly & patiently state your position on theocracy
by angry kitty
It is refreshing to see a polite argument, clearly stated and passionately defended. An argument that is NOT REDUCED to ridiculous hateful name calling. It saddens me to see how quickly these political discussions devolve into hate spewing threads. I happen to agree with your stance. However, if I didn't, I would still commend you on taking the high road here. Thanks.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST
When I looked away from the TV during the debate I could have sworn
by Samuel Fulmer
Joe Biden was debating Patton Oswalt. Ryan's got the same voice. When I looked at the tv and saw Biden smiling I could have sworn he made a stop at KY's bourbon trail before the debate.
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So rather than aborting a child for being gay, I would hope technology continues to advance so that gene therapy can treat conditions like gayness, Down's Syndrome, etc., so that an abortion wouldn't be considered an option solely on the basis of having to raise a child with an undesirable attribute.
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http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/11/14378909-did-the-vice-presidential-debate-do-anything-to-influence-who-you-will-support-in-the-election?lite CNN's flash poll had Biden 67% to 33%. So, while not as scientific as the other ones, it was going for Biden. CNN's rather bullshit focus group had it a tie which was really the wishy washy way CNN does things.
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The Mormon church helps bgoth members and those not members of the church.
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This debate was a wash. Still voting for Romney though.
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I'm disapointed that we didn't get new episodes of The Office, Person of Interest or Glee last night.
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Another blatant lie. That show is never good.
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I'm really tired of Hyperpartisan America. Let's just burn it all and start again with the survivors.
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Nice insights
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Oct. 12, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST
mrsalamander, it's YOUR fucking responsibility to provide healthcare to YOUR poor children
by Marc Cerasini
So get off a television website and get a god damn job.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST
If every talkbacker took 5 minutes out of their day to do 50 sit ups every day, the world would save millions of dollars in heath care costs
by Bobo_Vision
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Is Hannity insulted the moderator on camera. After the debate, telling the viewers she's "divorced", and implying that she's "angry" that she "hasn't found another husband" OMG. The war against women continues. No way he brings this up if the moderator was a man. I mean Hannity never mentions the crap that Dick Morris was into.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 5:05 p.m. CST
obi- i still see ur idiocy and bigotry is still going strong. just because ur a *rhodes scholar* doesnt mean ur intelligent, FAR from it...
by jay2517
....but that doesnt matter to idiots like u. it just means that the dullard maddow is an *educated* idiot, thats all. if she spouts non truths and distorts facts, ALL the fucking education in the world wont change that. what a fucking stupid bigot u are...prime example.... *Clearly, her time would've been better spent learning about Noah & the Flood...*--- bigotry at its finest. people like u are the scum of the earth.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 5:07 p.m. CST
also, if ur *pro choice* u ARE *pro abortion*. this is fact. what other choice are u fighting for? u freaking progressive idiots and ur *logic*.
by jay2517
really, what other *choice* in the bullshit phrase *pro choice* are u offering? fucking nimrods...
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Oct. 12, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST
pooky- what part of it did u not understand...my bad, another rhetorical question.
by jay2517
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Oct. 12, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST
and for the (not) last time, Romney PAID HIS TAXES. what part of PAYING HIS TAXES do u idiots not understand? u really think the IRS would have let a 10+ year tax evader get this far into his presidential run??
by jay2517
u fucking taxes are as bad as truthers. both fucking INSANE.
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pro abortion implies your running around telling people to get abortions, or that you encourage abortion. pro choice means that you think people should be allowed to get abortions, but don't neccesarily encourage it. its kinda like how i think drugs should be legal, but im not pro-drug. i don't think people should be doing heroin, but since its their body i think they should be allowed to if they want. the only difference is i think abortion is a personal decision and couldn't care either way whether people do it or not, but i think your a fucking moron if you do heroin.
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It's the law.
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If you believe that all men are created equal, then you also believe that all men deserve access to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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Our STOMACHS!! Our SELVES!!
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Let's see... Mimi Alford, Marilyn Monroe, Mary Jo Kopechne, Chandra Levy, Patricia Allen, Paula Parkinson, Rosie Coffman, Molly Hagerty, Elizabeth Ray, "waitress sandwiches," Client Number Nine, Tai Collins, Lenore Kwock, Beverly Heard, Rebecca Burgin, Winsome Packer, Colleen Gardner, Kari Tupper, Suzi Park Thomson, Mel Reynolds, Donna Rice, Rielle Hunter, Elizabeth Edwards, Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey, Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, Monica Lewinsky, as well as the unpublished names of the minors that were attacked by the lecherous Anthony Weiner, David Wu, Kevin Jennings, and Neil Goldschmidt. War on women? Seriously?
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Oct. 12, 2012, 8:22 p.m. CST
jsfithaca- no. if ur *pro choice* u are most def. *pro abortion*. u offer NO other *choice* but death to the baby. this is fact. ur drug analogy is false...
by jay2517
....because we have multiple drugs to *choose* from. the only choice in *pro choice* is death. how is it a *choice* when u only offer ONE choice?
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Oct. 12, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST
fish- agreement with ur points esp. the bullshit *war on women*. case in point- imagine the reaction of the idiots on MSNBC if Ryan was as condescending to the *moderator* as biden was? pointing aggressively and talking down to her??
by jay2517
they would be jumping up and down hollering about the chauvinistic Ryan and how much this shows the hatred for women the entire GOP has. its such hypocritical bullshit.
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You should have no say in the matter. Abort all of the little twat infections.
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Oct. 12, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST
ANYONE who buys the 'war on women' meme exposes themselves as the non-thinking lemming they are.
by DoctorWho?
Fucking tool!
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Fuck that stupid holiday. I like whatever Muslims celebrate.
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That's the sound of heartbreak. Quit developing uninteresting side characters and get to it. I'll give it a few more weeks.
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WTF? are we supposed to ban all abortion because someone thiks its murder? biden's comment on abortion was the right one. nobody should impose their beliefs on others. ryan is just another todd akin, only younger
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Oct. 13, 2012, 12:03 a.m. CST
all this life "life begins at conception" crap makes me sick
by Jared Parker
fuck all that right wing bullshit
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How dare people have differing opinions in a democracy.
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Oct. 13, 2012, 1:12 a.m. CST
LOL jp1- *all this life "life begins at conception" crap makes me sick*--- so, when DOES life begin? when the zygote enrolls in college?? please, DO TELL!!
by jay2517
what a fucking moronic statement. ahhhh, progressive *logic* at its finest!
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You apparently have the education level of a zygote.
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Oct. 13, 2012, 2:49 a.m. CST
Now that I think of it, I've never seen a liberal answer the "when does life begin" question directly.
by zillabeast
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Oct. 13, 2012, 7:42 a.m. CST
Life begins when a person stops shitting themself and sitting in their own filth.
by Metroid_Fetish
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Oct. 13, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST
kaga- oohhh! u got me! again, oh *enlightened one*, i ask....
by jay2517
...if life doesnt begin at conception, then when does it begin kaga?? quit being a typical progressive and answer the freaking question.
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doesn't a woman have the right to make decisions about her own body? do a bunch of men in congress have the right to take that away from women?
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Oct. 13, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST
@covjack: Your argument as a person of faith is one, lumbering, ponderous straw-man. Way to undermine yourself...
by obijuanmartinez
Proceeding to argue ANYTHING related to biology from a religious standpoint is using "I believe" vs. the scientific "I know", leaving YOU woefully underinformed Your disingenuous twattery notwithstanding, you state "This is a case where a person's religious convictions tell them that from the moment of conception, a human life is created," and that's sad, especially given the right's penchant for all things un-scientific, especially this week, with "House Science Committee" member Paul Broun (R-GA) denouncing Evolution & the Big Bang ‘Lies Straight From The Pit Of Hell’ (So much for the separation of church & state...) Sadder still, Todd Akin (famous lately, due to his grade-school level knowledge of biology & female anatomy - to wit, the nitwit who believes there are 'legitimate' & 'illegitimate' forms of rape, and that females in the latter circumstance have the capability to "reject" the process of conception) Trust me - You people have not one fraction of of the knowledge you need to make an informed decision as to when conscious life begins, and listening to some barking fraud at a podium, purporting to speak for "the almighty" isn't going to help you Your god is a farce, and belongs in the same echelon of credibility as the Tooth Fairy & the Easter Bunny. Believing in Sanat as a kid is great training for a life of believing in god Pathetic
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Oct. 13, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST
why do u keep ignoring my question? its a HUGE gray area the pro life/pro abortion debate, but if pressed u have to side with the child. it wasnt given ANY chioce in the matter. the women however...
by jay2517
....have MULTIPLE choices. not to fuck is a big one. or have unprotected sex is two. big advice to the pro abortion ladies, keep ur legs closed. its the best choice u can make. BTW- answer my question instead of deflecting.
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Oct. 13, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST
u know whats pathetic, obi? ur extreme bigotry and ignornance.
by jay2517
again, u fucking numbskull, when does life begin? if u have to split hairs to when life *begins* then u have already lost the debate. BTW- ur an utterly disgusting person.
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Oct. 13, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST
LOL! So, 'life begins at conception' is just 'right wing bullshit'
by DoctorWho?
'Life begins at conception' always seemed like a basic reasonable and logical assumption to me. It's nascent life, but life nonetheless.
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Sorry little guys! Out you go!
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Atleast you can try to look down on blastulas.
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Oct. 13, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST
kaga- i simple *no, i dont know when life begins* would have sufficed.
by jay2517
no need to deflect, ok?
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Oct. 13, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST
doctorwho....who knew, right??? i just hope all these idiot *pro abortionist* arent vegetarian!!
by jay2517
the hypocrisy of pro abortionists is staggering, sadly :(
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Deep-fried and dipped in BBQ sauce. You should try it sometime.
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The blastulas are out pacing you now Jay. I'm not sure who you can attempt to laud your inferior intellect over now.
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Oct. 14, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST
so, kaga, u CANT answer the question. cool. at least be a man(??) and admit it :( i'll even ask again...when does life begin kaga?
by jay2517
and remember, no deflecting!
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Is your impotence in this talkback as great or greater than your impotence in the real world?
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Oct. 15, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST
kaga, one more time...when does life begin? simple question.
by jay2517
and i told u not to deflect! add projection to that list too.
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When did you stop beating your wife?
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Oct. 16, 2012, 4 p.m. CST
kaga- its really sad that u cant answer a simple question and have to resort to deflection. sad.
by jay2517
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So you still beat your wife in impotent rage.
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